Michelle Young Sept 26, 2008

[Jules2]

He hung up on LE because they were INSISTING he drive straight to the bloody crime scene. Had Michelle`s body even been removed from her home. I certainly can NOT hold that against him.


According to the SW, the investigator was attempting to "enlist Jason Young's assistance" The SW continues to state that Jason could have done a walk through of the home, that he could have provided names of people who may have had a conflict with either him or his wife, he could have provided names of recent visitors or workers to the home. "However, he refused to come to the scene or continue speaking with the investigators"

"The conversation concludes with Jason Young hanging up on the investigator who is speaking with him."


No where does it state that investigators insisted he come to the scene. They were asking him to help with the investigation by providing information. He refused.

This is what has always stuck out as a red flag to me. Your wife, the woman you supposedly love with all your heart, is found murdered in your home and you don't want to help find her killer in any way shape or form. If you are innocent of the crime, then what on earth do you have to hide? Go ahead and say that he chose to keep quiet because he knew he was going to be the first suspect, but like I said.....if he had nothing to do with it, then why did he assume that his helping LE was a bad idea?


It's almost like he just wanted to wash his hands of it right then and there and continue on with his life. :shrug:


IMO

[Cardinal]

What bothers me more about the LE in Wake county is the leaks. There was a sealed warrant and days before it came out it was reported on line what would be in the warrant. Now just weeks before that the Sheriff and 2 officers went to a memorial for Michelle and I think they did a lot of talking that day. Now it was stated they told them there would be an arrest. So I guess if they were telling the truth about the warrant then there probably is going to be an arrest. I think if it is Jason he will never be convicted and the real killer got a free ride. You know every one has picked apart where Jason was on the night Michelle was killed I have never seen one time were any one can offer an alibi for MF. Wouldn't you think all these people that say she can't be guilty would offer up a reason why?


June, the LE officers who went to the LBLO were not the only people who had seen those warrants. Mrs. Young and Heather would have been given copies of them, and could have shown them to any number of people. It is said that one of their friends posts about this case; if true, I think it more likely that any leaks came from him than from LE.

As for Meredith, other than some very dated paragraphs and the 911 call, I haven't seen people offer any reason she could be guilty. I have asked, several times, but those things have always been the only answers I got.

JMO

[annalyzer]

July 4, 2005. I wasn't posting about the date, just giving you the link.


I know, I was clarifying my earlier post about the 2003 date.

[HI_CYCLE]

Are you saying you think the detectivs lied when they said in the warrant that Jason hung up on them? I do not think they would be allowed to do that. Do you have a reason for the detectives to lie? I don`t think they lied about Jason hanging up on them,I believe the conversation was going NO where. Jason Young was NOT going to the bloody crime scene and I think that set up the future of his cooperation. Again, anyone know if Michelle`s body had been removed from the home at the time of that conversation?

[annalyzer]

"The investigator was attempting to enlist Jason Young's assistance in the early stages of the investigation. He could have done a walk through of the residence to look for items that were missing or out of place."


It may not use the exact words but the meaning is there. Was Jason supposed to be psychic and know the police wanted him to walk through the home or was it discussed?

There were early posts about how friends called Jason and told him police were focusing on him as a suspect and told him to get a lawyer before he got back to town. It's possible that the tone was hostile from LE and that's why Jason hung up on them.


His stepfather likely told him to hang up. IIRC the stepfather had some harsh words to say about LE. Anyone remember that?

[annalyzer]

Huh ?

The FBI matched the HP shoe print 1/2008.
What does finding a pair of Franklin's on e-bay have to do with anything ? Was the seller Jason Young by chance ? :lol:

Can you discuss this case like an adult?

[annalyzer]

No that wasn't what I said. I was talking about the part about the police saying Jason wouldn't cooperate through his attorney.

Police lie all the time. They are allowed to lie. ~snip


Yes, they are allowed to lie to get the info they want or need.

[HI_CYCLE]

Huh ?

The FBI matched the HP shoe print 1/2008.
What does finding a pair of Franklin's on e-bay have to do with anything ? Was the seller Jason Young by chance ? :lol:It was also a year later before the FBI was EMAILED a copy of the HP shoes to be identified. Why wasn`t it sent when local LE could not identify it. A year after KNOWING local LE could NOT identify.

[annalyzer]

The FBI matched the HP shoe print 1/2008.




And what date was the FBI given the info from LE to start the search for the prints?

[HI_CYCLE]

And what date was the FBI given the info from LE to start the search for the prints?
Thank You.

[annalyzer]

It was also a year later before the FBI was EMAILED a copy of the HP shoes to be identified. Why wasn`t it sent when local LE could not identify it. A year after KNOWING local LE could NOT identify.


Thank you, you just answered my question.

[annalyzer]

McIntyre said he told Jason Young to get a lawyer. He said he was afraid that police would pin the death on his stepson, regardless of evidence.

"I do not want my son to be talking to any type of investigators," he said. "They're not going to be trustworthy when they talk to him."

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/507222.html


I have always held Jason's silence against him but I was thinking, lol, and you know how when you put off something and put off something and then it gets harder to do it? Like visiting or calling someone, etc? Is there a possibility that Jason kept his mouth shut in the beginning because his dad told him to and then as time went on it just got harder and harder to talk with LE? :shrug:

[annalyzer]

December 11, 2007, more than a year after the murder.



"On December 11, 2007, Agent Murray emailed a photograph of the unidentified footwear impression to Michael Smith of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in Quantico, Virginia."


So it took the FBI less than a month to identify the prints. If the local LE had given them this info soon after the murder they could've had it back to them before the end of 2006 and a sw executed by then. Not almost 16 months later. Now who was arguing about the detective work not being up to par?

[HI_CYCLE]

Does anyone know if there is information out there that would state what time the coroner removed Michelle`s body from the crime scene?

[annalyzer]

I would be surprized if you are right. Maybe no suspect should talk to detectives. ~snip

No surprise. Haven't you ever watched a good police interrogation?

[HI_CYCLE]

I would like to hear an explanation of why it took 13 days to complete the investigation inside the home. This is so ridiculous. 13 days??

[HI_CYCLE]

I agree. But I also think the actual shoe should have been sent and not just an emailed photo.
Bookie LE didn`t have the actual unidentified shoe.

[annalyzer]

I would like to hear an explanation of why it took 13 days to complete the investigation inside the home. This is so ridiculous. 13 days??

If Jason is arrested and goes to trial the defense will have a lot to work with. Unfortunate if Jason is the killer but a missed tooth and no rape kit done....

[HI_CYCLE]

No surprise. Haven't you ever watched a good police interrogation?
Ask a LE officer if he/she was a target in a crime if they would consent to a interrogation with out a lawyer.

[annalyzer]

I think we should remember the detectives were not investigating just this one case. From what I have read in the Raleigh papers they had many other cases to spend time on also. I don't mean to offer an excusefor anything but I think the detectives did have other cases to work on.

I'm sure but when time is of the essence then getting shoe prints to the FBI should have been a high priority. We're talking almost a year later.

[annalyzer]

Wake County does not have a coroner.
The ME performed the autopsy Saturday morning.

What time was the body removed from the home?

[annalyzer]

LE didn't have the actual shoe. They only had a print to work with. .

She meant the actual shoe print instead of a photo.

[HI_CYCLE]

I'm sure but when time is of the essence then getting shoe prints to the FBI should have been a high priority. We're talking almost a year later.This entire investigation has been a puzzle to me. If and when this case goes to trial LE are going to walk out looking like idiots due to all the delays. IMO
A good defense lawyer will rip them to pieces.They will begin with the 13 days in the home taking evidence and move on to why all the delays in getting evidence out for identification and having to go back to the home and the storage sheds for even more evidence. This investigation has been a joke from the git go. I understand why no arrest in almost 2 years. I hope someone has some really good explanations.

[annalyzer]

Ridiculous ?

It's called a thorough job HC

And no surprise. It took them a year to get the shoe prints to the FBI so what's 13 days? :shrug:

[HI_CYCLE]

Ridiculous ?

It's called a thorough job HC


:lol: LMBO, surely you jest...

[annalyzer]

Since the police have to process the scene it could have been hours or days. I remember one case where the body wasn't removed until late the following day. And Heath Ledger was found dead in the afternoon (around 3) but his body wasn't removed until almost 9 pm the night he died.


Hi C wanted to know for some reason. :shrug:

[5swab5]

(snipped)
Speaking of shoes, Men wear out shoes much faster then women.IMO. Men tend to wear the same comfortable shoes when working and many other events. Women change more often depending on what they wear.

For some men, I am sure this is true. But I doubt it, with Jason the fashion plate.

We know from videos and testimony that Jason had on at least 3 different outfits within a 24 hour period, not much wear and tear there.

MOO

Swabby

[HI_CYCLE]

Since the police have to process the scene it could have been hours or days. I remember one case where the body wasn't removed until late the following day. And Heath Ledger was found dead in the afternoon (around 3) but his body wasn't removed until almost 9 pm the night he died. I ask that because I think LE was cruel enough to want Jason to enter that house and bedroom with Michelle still on the floor in a bloody mess. How cruel would that be???

[annalyzer]

snip~ We know from videos and testimony that Jason had on at least 3 different outfits within a 24 hour period, not much wear and tear there.




LOL :tongue:

[annalyzer]

Yes, I saw that after I posted. Shame on me for responding before reading everything posted. I did that earlier, too. When will I learn?


That's okay. We all do it sometimes. :seeya:

[JHP]

I ask that because I think LE was cruel enough to want Jason to enter that house and bedroom with Michelle still on the floor in a bloody mess. How cruel would that be???

They obviously had a very brief conversation. I think LE just requested he come by the house. How would J know the scene was bloody? Unless of course he had been there before.

JMO

[HI_CYCLE]

For some men, I am sure this is true. But I doubt it, with Jason the fashion plate.

We know from videos and testimony that Jason had on at least 3 different outfits within a 24 hour period, not much wear and tear there.

MOO

SwabbyWould you expect him to attend a meeting in the same clothes he wore on his trip? So he put on a heavier shirt to go outside to the office. i would gander to guess,the temperature had dropped significantly from when he left Raleigh. I am not all that familiar with the mountainous area but what little I do know there is quite a dip in temps the closer you get to the mountain area. If I am wrong I am sure you will correct me.

[annalyzer]

If it had been a thorough job police wouldn't have missed a tooth fragment and they wouldn't have had to go back a year later to take measurements and get planks.

And I can understand why the family would make a "big deal" over the tooth fragment and get shoes out to compare to prints, etc., (if that happened). I'd likely do the same thing if it were my brother under suspicion.

[HI_CYCLE]

Wake County does not have a coroner.
The ME performed the autopsy Saturday morning.

OK, but someone had to remove her body,regardless of whether she was put in a police cruiser or what ever. My question was when,what time of day or night. Was she still in the home when LE was insisting Jason come there.

[HI_CYCLE]

If it had been a thorough job police wouldn't have missed a tooth fragment and they wouldn't have had to go back a year later to take measurements and get planks.
And..Let`s not forget the furniture in the shed..

[HI_CYCLE]

They obviously had a very brief conversation. I think LE just requested he come by the house. How would J know the scene was bloody? Unless of course he had been there before.

JMO:lol: It was a murder scene and I am sure he had talked to Meredith about cassidy and she is a talker,I gather that from her conversation with the 911 operator,so I am sure she described it to everyone who would listen. Jason`s friends and Jason himself.

[JHP]

:lol: It was a murder scene and I am sure he had talked to Meredith about cassidy and she is a talker,I gather that from her conversation with the 911 operator,so I am sure she described it to everyone who would listen. Jason`s friends and Jason himself.

I don't think it was ever said he talked to Meredith. Even if J's friends had gathered at the crime scene I doubt LE was talking to them. They were busy with a crime scene. Have we heard that he even tried to talk to Cassidy? So how would he know how bloody it was?

[HI_CYCLE]

I don't think it was ever said he talked to Meredith. Even if J's friends had gathered at the crime scene I doubt LE was talking to them. They were busy with a crime scene. Have we heard that he even tried to talk to Cassidy? So how would he know how bloody it was?Common sense tell`s me he spoke with Meredith because she had his daughter and found Michelle. I think Jason's friends were at Meredith`s house when he arrived. Common sense my dear,common sense.

[JHP]

IIRC Michelle's family told Jason's family? If so I'm sure they knew about the blood from Meredith and told Jason's family about it.

I don't think anyone knows who called J's mother for sure. It has been reported that it was Meredith, Linda Fisher. and I believe mimi a poster from long ago, stated it was friends from far far away.

[JHP]

Common sense tell`s me he spoke with Meredith because she had his daughter and found Michelle. I think Jason's were at Meredith`s house when he arrived. Common sense my dear,common sense.

I know I would have called immediatly. But I also would have gotten into the car and drove immediatly to my daughter, not waited around for anyone. So common sense may not come into play here. until we get some proof.

JMO

[Cardinal]

I ask that because I think LE was cruel enough to want Jason to enter that house and bedroom with Michelle still on the floor in a bloody mess. How cruel would that be???

As cruel as when Meredith entered that house and bedroom with Michelle still on the floor in a bloody mess, HC.

JMO

[HI_CYCLE]

Maybe the search for a shirt and shoes and inspection of furnture were just a cover for something else. I mean, maybe the detectives were looking for something else and used the other stuff as an excuse to look. I have been told that detectives are allowed to lie so why do we believe anything they tell us? I think I will not be critical of the detectives untl I see what they were really after."Maybe the search for a shirt and shoes and inspection of furnture were just a cover for something else" I believe that. A excuse to get in the shed to get DNA from furniture that should have been gotten in those 13 days spent in the house investigating. It`s called CYA in my line of work with out looking like a dummy.

[HI_CYCLE]

I know I would have called immediatly. But I also would have gotten into the car and drove immediatly to my daughter, not waited around for anyone. So common sense may not come into play here. until we get some proof.

JMOAnd not going to a bloody crime scene with your wife`s body still there. I agree straight to my child.

[HI_CYCLE]

As cruel as when Meredith entered that house and bedroom with Michelle still on the floor in a bloody mess, HC.

JMO
Jason did NOT know his wife had been murdered..I will stick to my statement until prove different.

[Cardinal]

"Maybe the search for a shirt and shoes and inspection of furnture were just a cover for something else" I believe that. A excuse to get in the shed to get DNA from furniture that should have been gotten in those 13 days spent in the house investigating. It`s called CYA in my line of work with out looking like a dummy.


I agree that the DNA on the furniture should have been sampled during the initial crime scene investigation. But I don't think LE spent 13 days 24/7 at Birchleaf. They had it secured for that long, but I would think different teams were in and out of there for some period of time.

JMO

[JHP]

And not going to a bloody crime scene with your wife`s body still there. I agree straight to my child.

But I then would have done whatever LE wanted me to do, as soon as I had made sure my child was ok. Unless of couse I was hiding something.

JMO

[HI_CYCLE]

I agree that the DNA on the furniture should have been sampled during the initial crime scene investigation. But I don't think LE spent 13 days 24/7 at Birchleaf. They had it secured for that long, but I would think different teams were in and out of there for some period of time.

JMORegardless how you explain the 13 days,LE was in that house 13 day.

[Cardinal]

Jason did NOT know his wife had been murdered..I will stick to my statement until prove different.

My statement wasn't about Jason being guilty or not. I was simply saying that it couldn't have been any more difficult for him than it was for Meredith. At least he would have been more prepared than she was.

JMO

[HI_CYCLE]

But I then would have done whatever LE wanted me to do, as soon as I had made sure my child was ok. Unless of couse I was hiding something.

JMO
That`s fine,your choice,but don`t criticize Jason`s choice if you have not walked in his shoes.

[JHP]

I think you can throw away common sense in such a horible tragedy. I would have been in no shape to drive. I don't knowq how Jason was at the time. A long time ago it was posted by someone that he did talk to Meredith and Cassie before he left Brevard.

Yes, but his mom supposedly knew before he arrived. She should have been ready to go IMO.

But until we hear from Meredith or LE it's just rumor that he talked to anyone. Until he hung up on LE. We do know he did that.


JMO

[JHP]

That`s fine,your choice,but don`t criticize Jason`s choice if you have not walked in his shoes.

HP's aren't my style;)

[HI_CYCLE]

My statement wasn't about Jason being guilty or not. I was simply saying that it couldn't have been any more difficult for him than it was for Meredith. At least he would have been more prepared than she was.

JMOI agree,but it was a known fact Michelle had been murdered after Meredith found Michelle`s body.If she was not involved,I hurt for her.But just because it did happen to Meredith does not make it right to expect her husband to go through the same scene. Two wrongs do NOT make a right.It was wrong for Meridith to experience what she did if she has nothing to do with her sister`s murder,but you can`t blame Jason if he did NOT know what she would find.
ETA:How in the heck do you prepare for a murder scene of you wife???

[Cardinal]

I agree,but it was a known fact Michelle had been murdered after Meredith found Michelle`s body.If she was not involved,I hurt for her.But just because it did happen to Meredith does not make it right to expect her husband to go through the same scene. Two wrongs do NOT make a right.It was wrong for Meridith to experience what she did if she has nothing to do with her sister`s murder,but you can`t blame Jason if he did NOT know what she would find.
ETA:How in the heck do you prepare for a murder scene of you wife???

I wasn't blaming Jason for anything, and I don't know how you prepare. But people do, all the time, unfortunately.

[HI_CYCLE]

I think the dead spot was in Raleigh. But if it is true that detectives are allowed to lie about anything and everything I do not know how I can believe anything they say. Did Jason hang up on them? Maybe everything we think we know about this case is based on lies by the detectives.
I am sure there is a lot of embellishment and omission of words.

[JHP]

I recall early on it was posted that LE wanted to speak with JY, while they were enroute to Raleigh , and his mother said he couldn't speak with them. I wonder if this was before or after he hung up on them? Mrs. Young supposedly reassured them they were on the way back .

MOO Aggie

Hi Aggie, this is whats so frustrating, we know so little to be true. I was surprised when the S/W said he hung up on them. Because we had been told about his mom and J not being able to speak to them. Like from the start.

I sure do hope some action in this case comes soon.

JMO

[HI_CYCLE]

I recall early on it was posted that LE wanted to speak with JY, while they were enroute to Raleigh , and his mother said he couldn't speak with them. I wonder if this was before or after he hung up on them? Mrs. Young supposedly reassured them they were on the way back .

MOO Aggie
This was posted as a rumor before the Feb. SW were made public. We now know for a fact Jason spoke with LE.

[5swab5]

I probably would too. Gerald had some knowledge of police obviously. Heck, maybe he has posted on crime based message boards in the past? Lord knows we have discussed comparing evidence in other cases so maybe someone in that family was a crime junkie like us.

IF the original rumors are true, Gerald has a first hand working knowledge of LE and the courts.

MOO

Swabby

Please don't scream at me, if this has already been mentioned. I am a little behind on this thread. :)

[5swab5]

I think you can throw away common sense in such a horible tragedy. I would have been in no shape to drive. I don't knowq how Jason was at the time. A long time ago it was posted by someone that he did talk to Meredith and Cassie before he left Brevard.


I don't think Jason was in any shape to drive either. Sleep deprivation will do that to you.

My guess is that he slept all the way back to Raleigh.

MOO

Swabby

Wonder how many times he checked his voice mail during the hours directly after "falling plumb to his knees? Frequently?

[HI_CYCLE]

The documents that they took may eventually be thrown out if Jason goes to court. Michelle's death certificate had nothing to do with her murder.

I didn't say they lied on the warrant. You posted that maybe they weren't really looking for the shoes and shirt then comented about police being allowed to lie. I was clarifying that they can lie to suspects/witnesses but they can't lie to a judge even in a search warrant application.Lets not forget Cassidy`s therapist`s notes. I believe that will definitely get it thrown out of court and anything that should come out of the search. Of course I don`t believe they found anything,MOO

[5swab5]

Lets not forget Cassidy`s therapist`s notes. I believe that will definitely get it thrown out of court and anything that should come out of the search. Of course I don`t believe they found anything,MOO

It was NOT "therapist's notes"!

The seized item was a "progress report" for Cassidy.

They don't need it anyway, the State will have the therapist on the stand.

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

Maybe the search for a shirt and shoes and inspection of furnture were just a cover for something else. I mean, maybe the detectives were looking for something else and used the other stuff as an excuse to look. I have been told that detectives are allowed to lie so why do we believe anything they tell us? I think I will not be critical of the detectives untl I see what they were really after.

I would think the shirt he was last seen in and the shoes that may have left prints at the murder scene would be more important than that.

[annalyzer]

It was NOT "therapist's notes"!

The seized item was a "progress report" for Cassidy.

They don't need it anyway, the State will have the therapist on the stand.

MOO

Swabby

Couldn't a progress report from a therapist be considered therapist's notes? :shrug:

[Barbara2]

Couldn't a progress report from a therapist be considered therapist's notes? :shrug:

The notes would contain a lot more information. The progress report would contain generalizations and not necessarily details. IMO

[HI_CYCLE]

I would think the shirt he was last seen in and the shoes that may have left prints at the murder scene would be more important than that.
AND........... They knew in advance they were planning on getting DNA because to collect it LE had to take the tools with them to collect the DNA.......oops,another minor act of stupidity.

[HI_CYCLE]

Couldn't a progress report from a therapist be considered therapist's notes? :shrug:
Absolutely..

[HI_CYCLE]

The notes would contain a lot more information. The progress report would contain generalizations and not necessarily details. IMOTell that to a judge when you try to get it into evidence. NO WAY..

[HI_CYCLE]

Ya think ?

There is nothing I read in any of the SW's that appears to be a lie.
If a cop intentionally lies to a judge to get a SW, that is perjury and he will be held accountable. I doubt nailing Jason Young with lies to a judge is worth the criminal consequences.
Do you think they had a SW to obtain DNA from furniture in the shed? I didn`t see it. Obtained W/O a SW for it.:no:

[HI_CYCLE]

If you are talking about the storage unit they did have a warrant to obtain dna samples from the furniture. It's talked about on page 16 of the Feb 14th warrant.
TY for correcting me. I will run and re-read it.I need too any way.

[5swab5]

From the point of view, of someone that thinks that Jason is guilty, something occurred to me.

Lots has been said in recent months about the effect that shows like CSI have had on juries.

I was reviewing this board and thinking that the "effect" is a two-way street.

Only a small percentage of people ever see the inside of a Courtroom, but CSI type shows are beamed right into our living rooms.

In the olden days, all anyone had was the SODDI defense. That has now been expanded to include:

Framed
Sloppy Police Work
Rush To Judgment
Tried in The Press
False Confessions
Tunnel Vision
Legal Technicalities
Circumstantial evidence isn't as important as Direct Evidence


That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are others. But the fact remains, that these all too common defense strategies are now well known with the public at large, and I think that is a good thing.

I have seen all of them used here and more. But people across this good Nation are sick and tired of offenders getting away with Murder. I am sure that the good Citizens of N.C. chosen for jury duty will feel no differently.

MOO

Swabby

K.I.S.S. method is the way to go. Plain and simple.

[Cardinal]

The documents that they took may eventually be thrown out if Jason goes to court. Michelle's death certificate had nothing to do with her murder.

I didn't say they lied on the warrant. You posted that maybe they weren't really looking for the shoes and shirt then comented about police being allowed to lie. I was clarifying that they can lie to suspects/witnesses but they can't lie to a judge even in a search warrant application.

In the execution of a SW, items other than those specified in the SW may be seized they constitute evidence of a crime:


http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_15A/GS_15A-253.pdf

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_15A/GS_15A-242.pdf

My guess is they took the therapist's notes in order to identify the therapist and the nature of her work with Cassidy. If that's meaningful, I think they'd subpoena the therapist rather than try to introduce the progress report.

As for the death certificate, that's a public record. It can be introduced regardless.

JMO

[annalyzer]

No doubt about that. But I believe the detectives have the shirt and the shoes. ~snip


Oh sweetie, if LE had the bloody shirt and shoes Jason would've been arrested.

[annalyzer]

snip~
I have seen all of them used here and more. But people across this good Nation are sick and tired of offenders getting away with Murder. I am sure that the good Citizens of N.C. chosen for jury duty will feel no differently.




Yep, a good defense attorney will use just about anything to win his case. But let's not forget that those same people who are sick and tired of offenders getting away with murder are the ones judging them at trial: the general public.

[annalyzer]

snip~ And it's people like Nancy grace, a former prosecutor, and Catherine Crier, a former judge, who are responsible for suspects being tried in the press.



Love, Love, Love both of them! :patriot:

[annalyzer]

In the execution of a SW, items other than those specified in the SW may be seized they constitute evidence of a crime:


http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_15A/GS_15A-253.pdf

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_15A/GS_15A-242.pdf

My guess is they took the therapist's notes in order to identify the therapist and the nature of her work with Cassidy. If that's meaningful, I think they'd subpoena the therapist rather than try to introduce the progress report.

As for the death certificate, that's a public record. It can be introduced regardless.

JMO


Isn't it sad that here we are, two years later, still guessing? :(

[annalyzer]

I would rather gouge my eyes out and pour acid in my ears then watch NG but each to their own.


LOL I know a lot of people feel the same but since I rarely get to see her anymore because of my cable I love seeing her when I get the chance. I always liked her attitude. :tongue:

[5swab5]

CSI type shows may help you form your opinion but not mine. I don't need a tv show to tell me police needing to go back, a year later, to a crime scene they had possession of for almost 2 weeks isn't stellar police work.

And it's people like Nancy grace, a former prosecutor, and Catherine Crier, a former judge, who are responsible for suspects being tried in the press.

Other people across the nation are tired of innocent people spending any time in prisons for crimes they didn't commit.


I didn't say me. I said that others are now better versed in Defense Attorney tactics.

There is not a single thing that I listed, that hasn't been pulled out of Houdini's old hat on these boards to try and exonerate Jason.

Typical desperation.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

I never said they couldn't collect other evidence. Michelle's death certificate obviously has nothing to do with her murder since it wasn't issued until after she had died. Possessing a loved one's death certificate isn't sinister so I don't know how the police would justify taking that.


You have no way of knowing what was written, doodled, added or scratched out on it.

MOO

Swabby

[JHP]

I don't know if it would justify taking it, but maybe the original had the time of death on it. There is a box for that on the documet.

Or maybe somone had altered it in someway such as writing a different time of death. I had always thought it was unusual for LE to take a death certificate. I would think they could get one themselves pretty easily. Also, progress reports from Cassidys therapist. I don't think it's usual practice to send a report home. But I've never known a child that was in Cassidy's situation.

JMO

[5swab5]

No surprise.
NG normally supports the victim in crime, not the suspect.

Yep,

Instead of sitting there all day long, every day making excuses for murderers, (Jamie Floyd) Nancy Grace is a true victims advocate!

The world needs more like her!

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

snip~
As for Meredith, other than some very dated paragraphs and the 911 call, I haven't seen people offer any reason she could be guilty. I have asked, several times, but those things have always been the only answers I got.

JMO


She was there, she found the body. Often the murderer is the one that "finds" the body.

Not saying I suspect MF but those are some other reasons.

[annalyzer]

Is she the one who drove some poor woman to suicide? Or maybe that is just a rumor I heard somewhere? .


Must've been rumor because NG didn't "drive" anyone to suicide. The woman in question had the option of ending the interview if she didn't want to be asked hard questions. IMO

o/t but does anyone have the video, audio or transcript of that interview of Melinda Duckett?

[5swab5]

She was there, she found the body. Often the murderer is the one that "finds" the body.

Not saying I suspect MF but those are some other reasons.

Please don't make me type this again.:)

Even the PC section of the SW states that Jason SENT Meredith to BirchLeaf.

I am sure that this FACT was not only verified, but verified over and over again.

Darn those pesky phone records.

MOO

Swabby

That pesky shirt. So many pesky things. MM for another.

[JHP]

He knew this because the first call to his Mom was LF and she was talking about blood all over the place and Michelle being dead. The Mom thought Michelle died of another miscarriage until MF called later and explained it to her. How much later I don't know.

Was there a link to this? IIRC it was all rumor, no one really knew for sure.

[annalyzer]

Mark Lunsford had NOTHING to do with his daughters disappearance and murder but she treated him like garbage because of his looks. She is lower than slime.

Yeah but for how long, how many times? I also questioned whether he was involved at first, until I saw him a couple more times talking to the press. :shrug:

[5swab5]

Melinda Duckett committed suicide hours after being grilled by Nancy Grace. Her show had no compassion and aired the video with a banner down bottom saying she'd killed herself. MD's family now has a civil suit against NG that the courts ruled will go to trial despite her attorney's trying to get it dismissed.

She invites people on her show then ridicules and mocks them while cutting them off and not letting them finish what they are trying to say. She is no one's hero or advocate. She is a bitter woman who thinks she is the only one who is right and everyone had better agree with her.


Guilty consciences cause people to do strange things. Haven't found that little boy yet either, now have they?

Can't wait for Nancy to sink her talons into the Brevard clan!

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

snip~

Even the PC section of the SW states that Jason SENT Meredith to BirchLeaf.




IIRC it says, paraphrased, "according to Meredith".

[annalyzer]

Until police had arrested Couey if not longer. She had ML guilty because of his looks and lifestyle and she wasn't giving that up easily.

Well okay but we'd better drop this o/t before CW comes in here and cleans house. :chicken:

[5swab5]

Wait until Det. Spivey's email is read to the jury. LOL


What is this email that I keep seeing mentioned here every once in a while?

TIA

Swabby

[JHP]

Well there is no link but there are people that really know. Would you have me invite them to meet you for coffee ?

Anytime june, I'd love to meet you for coffee. However I'm afraid I would only believe them if it was Meredith or Linda. Maybe the next time I'm in NC it can be arranged.

[5swab5]

Well there is no link but there are people that really know. Would you have me invite them to meet you for coffee ?


By all means!

Get them to talk to someone in LE, instead of a poster on a message board. Lotta' good that is going to do.

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

What is this email that I keep seeing mentioned here every once in a while?

TIA

Swabby

Scout around, you'll find it.

[JHP]

I'll arrange it . I'm sure MF and LF would be happy to clear it up for you.

Wonderful! Can't wait, I hope Linda Fisher can make it into town. At the moment I won't be there until June. I hope there's an arrest before then. But strange things do happen. Maybe I can be there sooner.

[5swab5]

Scout around, you'll find it.


???????????????

[Cardinal]

Wait until Det. Spivey's email is read to the jury. LOL

How would that get admitted into evidence, June? IIRC, it said nothing about the facts of the case.

JMO

[annalyzer]

How would that get admitted into evidence, June? IIRC, it said nothing about the facts of the case.

JMO

It said nothing of any evidentiary value period.

[5swab5]

It said nothing of any evidentiary value period.

Just as I suspected.

Thanks,

Swabby

[annalyzer]

In a nut shell, the lead detective said:
"While other forums have,for some inexplicable reason, stooped to trashing a murder victim, her mother, and her sister, your forum seems to have remained above the fray."

And that will help in a civil trial how?

[annalyzer]

You need to read the rest of the e-mail for that.
No, i'm not gonna post it or PM it to anyone.


I've read it. Don't you think if there were questions of the detective
that he'd testify in person instead of showing a personal email?

[5swab5]

In a nutshell, the lead detective said:
"While other forums have,for some inexplicable reason, stooped to trashing a murder victim, her mother, and her sister, your forum seems to have remained above the fray."

Thanks Brooklyn,

Sounds innocuous enough for me.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

You need to read the rest of the e-mail for that.
No, i'm not gonna post it or PM it to anyone.


Gotcha!
Deep dark secrets.

Now you have me intrigued.

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

Yes, I feel quite sure he will testify on the stand.
The e-mail is just a time stamped basis for the libel spewed
against the Fisher's from several posters that are known to LE.

Oh lol. I thought you were referring to a civil trial with the Fisher's suing JY for wrongful death.

Don't hold your breath on the other. LOL

[annalyzer]

Gotcha!
Deep dark secrets.

Now you have me intrigued.

MOO

Swabby


Weren't you here in May? Surely Brooklyn will be nice enough to pm it to you.

[annalyzer]

Don't worry annalyzer, they are not interested in libel spewed on this forum.


Worrying never crossed my mind.

[5swab5]

Weren't you here in May? Surely Brooklyn will be nice enough to pm it to you.

I guess not. We left before Mother's Day.

Once again I have to apologize for my shortcomings.

When I leave town...I am gone for weeks.

Swabby

ZERO computer access.

[sonya]

Gotcha!
Deep dark secrets.

Now you have me intrigued.

MOO

Swabby

The e-mail from Det. Spivey also stated that he and the other detectives would never take their own families to functions with people they couldn't trust, he was speaking about the Lady Bug Lift-Off thrown in honor of Michelle, by her mother and sister. The detectives had their families with them when they attended the memorial for Michelle, and he also stated that they appreciated Linda and Meredith and their patience while the murder was being solved. So, in short, it seemed to say that Meredith was not a suspect in the murder of her sister.

[Barbara2]

it's unrealistic to believe a detective cares about libel other than why someone feels the need to lie about anyone in the victim's family. Detectives themselves can lie, say anything they want, including telling somebody something they know they want to hear.

People close to a murder suspect have been known to tell people what they want them to believe and repeat as well. They are not necessarily telling the truth. IMO

[Barbara2]

Maybe lie to give a false sense of security as they did in the Susan Smith case? Some are assuming that because LE wrote an email that Meredith isn't a suspect. I think that's a false assumption to make.

There were plenty of reasons to believe that Susan Smith was guilty of killing her children. I've seen no reason to believe that Meredith is guilty of anything other than trusting her brother in law. IMO

[Barbara2]

Where did I say Meredith is guilty? Do you believe a suspect is always guilty?

I don't believe she's a suspect. JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

That certainly is an eye opener for me. Thank you, Analyzer for finding it. That stll does not convince me the detectives are not working on Michelle's murder. We learned a long time ago that the detectives traveled to several other states in their investigation of this case. We also learned the detectives have been to Brevard several times. Maybe the detectives are investigating other leads as we speak. We just don't know what they are doing.


:no:
We don't know the detectives have been to Brevard at all, let alone several times.

How did Philly get associated with crimes from Raleigh?


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Oh sweetie, if LE had the bloody shirt and shoes Jason would've been arrested.



Yep.

:biggrin:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I didn't say me. I said that others are now better versed in Defense Attorney tactics.

There is not a single thing that I listed, that hasn't been pulled out of Houdini's old hat on these boards to try and exonerate Jason.

Typical desperation.

MOO

Swabby

But we are not the ones that are desperate to have Jason arrested, you are.

:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

The documents that they took may eventually be thrown out if Jason goes to court. Michelle's death certificate had nothing to do with her murder.

.

Has anyone come up with an explanation, of why L E took a "copy" of Michelle's death certificate?

:confused:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I believe you have a point about the several times. They did go to Brevard at least once with warrants. I do not know anythng about Philly.



There have been no reports that L E has ever been to Brevard, except, like you said to carry out the search warrants.

I don't understand what Philly has to do with Raleigh, our crime rate has always been off the charts.

Oh, well.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

It said nothing of any evidentiary value period.

I thought it was junk email, it was never proven who it was from and was removed from this forum for being questionable.

But, we could run it by CW....again.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

And that will help in a civil trial how?


There won't be a civil trial unless an arrest is made by Nov..2nd, 2008.

5 weeks.

The clock is running down !

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Worrying never crossed my mind.

Maybe we were supposed to believe that someone dressed up as a lady bug in a public park in the middle of the afternoon is someone that L E is going to bring in their enitre SWAT team for?

A fly swatter could have worked too.

:shrug:


New thread in the am, please.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

The e-mail from Det. Spivey also stated that .
<snipped>

We were told not to discuss this matter here.

:no:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

One poster told me I didn't know what might have been doodled or written on it and one thought maybe it had the time of death and the police didn't want that information public. I don't think either is very likely.


I see.

Thank you, Bookie.

:)
Kat

[5swab5]

Maybe we were supposed to believe that someone dressed up as a lady bug in a public park in the middle of the afternoon is someone that L E is going to bring in their enitre SWAT team for?

A fly swatter could have worked too.

:shrug:


New thread in the am, please.

Kat


Too bad Jason couldn't see fit to take Cassidy to celebrate her Mother's life.

In fact, too bad Jason hasn't given a flying-purple ***From the moment he slayed Michelle!

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

We were told not to discuss this matter here.

:no:

Kat


Since When?

You made me look.

I see NOTHING in TOS that addresses that issue.

Is Gerald,
Embezzlement,
Michelle Money,
Extra Marital affairs,
Michelle & Jason's wedding rings, also off limits?

What's next?

ANYTHING & EVERYTHING against Jason Lynn YOUNG?

JUSTICE wants to know.

MOO

Swabby