Friday9/26 Morning Thread/Day 102

[desmom]

Good Morning.


Please light a Candle for Caylee

Click any unlit candle to begin.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

[desmom]

Casey's Childhood Friend Claims Cindy Said "Casey Is Guilty Of Something"
http://www.wftv.com/news/17549736/detail.html

[desmom]

I started a thread at the same time, desmom. I guess CW can meld them.

Ooops. Sorry. I didn't see one.

[marshmallow]

are they releasing Cindy Anthony's interview tapes today?
(or did I dream that? fell asleep with NG on, not a good idea)

[VII]

Casey's Childhood Friend Claims Cindy Said "Casey Is Guilty Of Something"
http://www.wftv.com/news/17549736/detail.html

Cindy holding out HOPE that Casey DID sell Caylee in PR.
George and Lee seem to "know better", but are not able to convince Cindy.
I can only imagine the level of tension in that house.

Seems like this slow and steady release of information is scripted by LE in an attempt to get her to crack.

omo

[FrankieBones1]

Brought over from the other thread:

09-26-2008, 07:09 AM
kellabeck
Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 6,303

Fri 26 Sept. discussion thread 1

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Just now watching NG from last night. I noted with satisfaction that Lee Anthony in his LE interview quoted Casey as calling herself "a spiteful b-word" and that is support for my theory of weeks ago that she killed Caylee to spite her mother as well as to free herself.

Good morning, everyone!

Where is Caylee?
************************
After hearing Casey on the 911 tapes and the police interview tape, I, too, believe that she did it out of spite.

[bluwaters]

Cindy holding out HOPE that Casey DID sell Caylee in PR.
George and Lee seem to "know better", but are not able to convince Cindy.
I can only imagine the level of tension in that house.

Seems like this slow and steady release of information is scripted by LE in an attempt to get her to crack.

omo

Well, I don't know that Casey will crack, but I am about to. hammer

Good morning!
Thanks desmom.

[shelbar53]

Morning all, having a hard time catching up since I had to buy a new computer Tuesday.
Im trying to find a comment from Clint House {tones roommate} that on June 15th casey {without caylee}came over to the house early evening. he remembers she was there because he just spent the day with his dad. So trying to figure a time line..I dont think casey "snuck" out in the middle of the night.

[shelbar53]

are they releasing Cindy Anthony's interview tapes today?
(or did I dream that? fell asleep with NG on, not a good idea)

Yes that is what I heard and I think a computer release of info on caseys computer

[Ladyhawk]

Morning all, having a hard time catching up since I had to buy a new computer Tuesday.
Im trying to find a comment from Clint House {tones roommate} that on June 15th casey {without caylee}came over to the house early evening. he remembers she was there because he just spent the day with his dad. So trying to figure a time line..I dont think casey "snuck" out in the middle of the night.

Barskin posted this comment from Clint on yesterday morning's thread. Try this link....

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12183787&postcount=854

[Ladyhawk]

I fell asleep during NG too but had the same dream. 2 hour interview. Can't wait.:)

CA's intervieew was 2 hours? If they release the entire interview, that's going to take a while to go through it and compare it to her bond hearing testimony.

[shelbar53]

Barskin posted this comment from Clint on yesterday morning's thread. Try this link....

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12183787&postcount=854

ok thanks, I lost everything that I had saved. I am so frustrated trying to figure out vista {i had XP}. trying to catch up on the new doc release. Sorry for being OT but I had to vent...hubby doesnt understsand why I am going crazy.

[kakax]

Geraldo on F&F now. DOn't know if he will talk ablut this case.

[Kathlb]

Good morning everyone. :-) Nice to see you and today is the day that supposedly we get Cindy's two hour interview. Now that should be something. :rolleyes:

I look for Tim back next week or this weekend from what he said in his interview. Let's hope that things move along quickly.

A question I'm having rumble around in my brain and it's not going anywhere other than in circles. Ricardo said in his interview that Casey stayed with him and she got up in the middle of the night and took Caylee to her parents (never happened) and came back and got into bed. Ricardo said it was after June 9 but before July 1 and that's all he could pin it down to. This to me is a really important fact. We know she didn't take her home to Cindy, so where did she take her in the middle of the night? I think somehow they need to nail that down time-wise if they haven't already. MOO

[warrkat]

Good Morning everyone. Hopefully today is the day that Caylee will be found.

Something important will happen today. I know this because I have to be gone most of the day having a PET scan. It never fails, when I'm away from tv and the computer, something happens.

It was kind of weird yesterday listening to Lee's tape. When I read the transcript, it just seemed dry and ..... boring, really. But hearing him speak? I think he was trying to convey to LE that he has a crazy family, and that this was just another mother-daughter conflict. jmo

[bballgrl]

I started a thread at the same time, desmom. I guess CW can meld them.


Hi Kella!!! :seeya: How you bein?

[shelbar53]

Good morning everyone. :-) Nice to see you and today is the day that supposedly we get Cindy's two hour interview. Now that should be something. :rolleyes:

I look for Tim back next week or this weekend from what he said in his interview. Let's hope that things move along quickly.

A question I'm having rumble around in my brain and it's not going anywhere other than in circles. Ricardo said in his interview that Casey stayed with him and she got up in the middle of the night and took Caylee to her parents (never happened) and came back and got into bed. Ricardo said it was after June 9 but before July 1 and that's all he could pin it down to. This to me is a really important fact. We know she didn't take her home to Cindy, so where did she take her in the middle of the night? I think somehow they need to nail that down time-wise if they haven't already. MOO
It could have been june 9th or anytime BEFORE june 15th, casey and cindy were still on speaking terms during 9th -15th

[GrannyB]

Good morning everyone. :-) Nice to see you and today is the day that supposedly we get Cindy's two hour interview. Now that should be something. :rolleyes:

I look for Tim back next week or this weekend from what he said in his interview. Let's hope that things move along quickly.

A question I'm having rumble around in my brain and it's not going anywhere other than in circles. Ricardo said in his interview that Casey stayed with him and she got up in the middle of the night and took Caylee to her parents (never happened) and came back and got into bed. Ricardo said it was after June 9 but before July 1 and that's all he could pin it down to. This to me is a really important fact. We know she didn't take her home to Cindy, so where did she take her in the middle of the night? I think somehow they need to nail that down time-wise if they haven't already. MOO


How do we know she didn't take her home?

[kakax]

It could have been june 9th or anytime BEFORE june 15th, casey and cindy were still on speaking terms during 9th -15th

I totally missed his narrowing the dates to this. I thought he just said it was some time while they were dating.

[kakax]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7494099&version=26&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

10:00 this morning.

Ty...I haven't even had a sip of coffee yet so haven't started to hunt things down. 'preciate it!

[shelbar53]

Ok so I was out of the loop...are the protesters still hanging around? are cams still available at the anthony house?

[SandyO]

ok thanks, I lost everything that I had saved. I am so frustrated trying to figure out vista {i had XP}. trying to catch up on the new doc release. Sorry for being OT but I had to vent...hubby doesnt understsand why I am going crazy.

Good luck with Vista! It's a real challenge and I still prefer XP and have two computers running. Most of everything you had saved can be found here, though. Good morning all.

[FrankieBones1]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7494099&version=26&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

10:00 this morning.

Good Morning, all.

A snippet from your link:

The Orange Osceola State Attorney plans to release additional Legal Discovery Friday morning, including an interview with 3-year-old Caylee Anthony’s grandmother, Cindy Anthony.

The discovery, which will include depositions, phone and text messages and pictures, will be available at 10 a.m. Friday.

[Regina.Lampert]

ok thanks, I lost everything that I had saved. I am so frustrated trying to figure out vista {i had XP}. trying to catch up on the new doc release. Sorry for being OT but I had to vent...hubby doesnt understsand why I am going crazy.

Shel, I heard if you call it Mojave vista turns into something wonderful.....lol.

Sorry, I do feel your pain, hope you get everything straightened out. I fell asleep during Nancy too, I will go an get her transcript if somebody hasn't already posted it. If we get cynthia's audio, we have to take notes, lots of notes.

Morning everybody! :seeya:

[desmom]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7494099&version=26&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

10:00 this morning.

On of her earlier interviews? One of the interviews around the time she was going on about LE knew I washed the pants? Maybe both?

Depending on what Cindy has to say, this may be the straw that breaks the camel's back in that household. The tension inside that house has to be unbearable.

I have errands this morning....hmmm, it seems when I have a hectic Friday, something new is released or something major happens.

:rose: Caylee

[GrannyB]

Good Morning, all.

A snippet from your link:

The Orange Osceola State Attorney plans to release additional Legal Discovery Friday morning, including an interview with 3-year-old Caylee Anthony’s grandmother, Cindy Anthony.

The discovery, which will include depositions, phone and text messages and pictures, will be available at 10 a.m. Friday.

10 a.m. I can hardly wait. Hope they get them on the net fast.

[GrannyB]

On of her earlier interviews? One of the interviews around the time she was going on about LE knew I washed the pants? Maybe both?

Depending on what Cindy has to say, this may be the straw that breaks the camel's back in that household. The tension inside that house has to be unbearable.

I have errands this morning....hmmm, it seems when I have a hectic Friday, something new is released or something major happens.

:rose: Caylee

I think that's why LE is releasing all of this. Hope George's is next. Maybe just maybe we will get some answsers

[SavannahStar]

How do we know she didn't take her home?

That's my question as well.

[Ladyhawk]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7494099&version=26&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

10:00 this morning.

TYVM for the link. This is going to be a very very interesting read. I can't wait to see if the money LA said she pocketed from Casey's wallet will be hit on in this interview.

[VII]

I have NEVerrrrrrrrrrrr seen a case where LE "jacked with their heads" - meaning person(s) of interest
so.

DANGit, gotta get ready for work!!

:seeya:

[Regina.Lampert]

Something important will happen today. I know this because I have to be gone most of the day having a PET scan. It never fails, when I'm away from tv and the computer, something happens.

It was kind of weird yesterday listening to Lee's tape. When I read the transcript, it just seemed dry and ..... boring, really. But hearing him speak? I think he was trying to convey to LE that he has a crazy family, and that this was just another mother-daughter conflict. jmo

Take car War, I appreciate all the poster's whose absence causes a release of info to us. You're taking one for the team: :beer:

Thanks Guitar for that information, now my entire day has to be rescheduled around that, plus I have catching up to do from yesterday.
I think I need an unpaid assistant. :tongue:

Here is NG's transcripts:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/25/ng.01.html

[summer4meplz]

Morning all, having a hard time catching up since I had to buy a new computer Tuesday.
Im trying to find a comment from Clint House {tones roommate} that on June 15th casey {without caylee}came over to the house early evening. he remembers she was there because he just spent the day with his dad. So trying to figure a time line..I dont think casey "snuck" out in the middle of the night.


Good morning everyone,,,,poor shel....did this case wear your computer out? I'm afraid I'm next...I keep getting that blue screen serious error message...

iirc Clint made that statement to greta....i think it was ricardo that said he woke up in the morning and casey had taken Caylee somewhere in the middle of the night....presumably home...but I could be wrong...so many names..and nights...

[Ladyhawk]

I think that's why LE is releasing all of this. Hope George's is next. Maybe just maybe we will get some answsers

It's my understanding that the release of these documents is because the defense has requested them as discovery.

[crymeariver2006]

I don't think this will be Cindy's first interview that's going to be released. The first one would be the most telling as to what she was thinking.

I believe I *heard* it was one that was taken two weeks after Caylee was reported missing. Like the others, being questioned about some things that had been discovered in the interim.

It could be the one where she tells them about washing the pants.

Whatever it is, it'll be interesting - that's for sure.

[warrkat]

Take car War, I appreciate all the poster's whose absence causes a release of info to us. You're taking one for the team: :beer:

Thanks Guitar for that information, now my entire day has to be rescheduled around that, plus I have catching up to do from yesterday.
I think I need an unpaid assistant. :tongue:

Here is NG's transcripts:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/25/ng.01.html

Years ago, when I first got married, I used to rush through housework, errands, and laundry so I could watch soap operas all afternoon. Things don't change much, do they?

Hurry and get your obligations done, so that you can pay attention for the rest of us.

[SandyO]

However much Cindy loved little Caylee, her insistence that Caylee was "Casey's mistake" seems harsh to me, and may have been a fatal error. I suppose Cindy was hoping Casey wouldn't repeat her mistake, but having to rub it in.........

[GrannyB]

I don't think this will be Cindy's first interview that's going to be released. The first one would be the most telling as to what she was thinking.

I believe I *heard* it was one that was taken two weeks after Caylee was reported missing. Like the others, being questioned about some things that had been discovered in the interim.

It could be the one where she tells them about washing the pants.

Whatever it is, it'll be interesting - that's for sure.

I think I read the same thing. 2 weeks after Caylee was reported missing.

[jbellaj]

How many of you think that Lee's statement did more harm then good for Casey? I think it didn't help her at all. How many think that family is pretty pizzed at him right about now?

[Mairi II]

Something rather interesting I heard on NG last night:

There was a prosecutor on NG who said that not necessarily all the discovery they've got is made public. It sounded to me that it may be made public if it's filed through the county clerk's office. But he was saying that not ALL discovery is necessarily filed with the clerk's office - that if the prosecution doesn't want it released publically, they can provide it to the defense and bypass the clerk.

Huh.

[Kathlb]

How do we know she didn't take her home?


I guess she could have, but I thought they were having troubles then also. Maybe that will be cleared up in Cindy's interview today. :shrug:

[SavannahStar]

How many of you think that Lee's statement did more harm then good for Casey? I think it didn't help her at all. How many think that family is pretty pizzed at him right about now?

I think his statement did harm Casey; I thought he was helpful to LE. I doubt anyone is mad at him though.

[GrannyB]

How many of you think that Lee's statement did more harm then good for Casey? I think it didn't help her at all. How many think that family is pretty pizzed at him right about now?

I don't think I will even take guess on that one. We are talking about the Anthony's. Who knows what they would think. Probably the opposite of what any of us would.

[crymeariver2006]

How many of you think that Lee's statement did more harm then good for Casey? I think it didn't help her at all. How many think that family is pretty pizzed at him right about now?


I don't think it helped anybody. It certainly didn't help him in the credibility department. Laughing about the car smell like it was so funny thinking about George driving that car home with the windows down. Never mind that the "smell" was in all likelihood, his niece.

Then the computer stuff is really hinky. The computer's on, then it's not on, then all he gets is the blue screen, then he can tell the emails were deleted, he's gone for 2 and a half hours just to pick up the clothes.....

[num1barb]

After hearing Casey on the 911 tapes and the police interview tape, I, too, believe that she did it out of spite.


ITA. And FWIW, I can understand lee chuckling a little during his interview (nervous laughter) but the LAUGHING when he described george driving the smelly car home was VERY creepy. YUCK. This whole family makes me sick.

[brodysho]

I don't think it helped anybody. It certainly didn't help him in the credibility department. Laughing about the car smell like it was so funny thinking about George driving that car home with the windows down. Never mind that the "smell" was in all likelihood, his niece.

Then the computer stuff is really hinky. The computer's on, then it's not on, then all he gets is the blue screen, then he can tell the emails were deleted, he's gone for 2 and a half hours just to pick up the clothes.....

I couldn't agree more. I used to think he was the only 'sane' one in that family, but not anymore. That whole family is disgusting.

[shelbar53]

I don't think it helped anybody. It certainly didn't help him in the credibility department. Laughing about the car smell like it was so funny thinking about George driving that car home with the windows down. Never mind that the "smell" was in all likelihood, his niece.

Then the computer stuff is really hinky. The computer's on, then it's not on, then all he gets is the blue screen, then he can tell the emails were deleted, he's gone for 2 and a half hours just to pick up the clothes.....
and why were the cloths in backpacks and not in the closet or dresser drawers?

[AMS]

Take car War, I appreciate all the poster's whose absence causes a release of info to us. You're taking one for the team: :beer:

Thanks Guitar for that information, now my entire day has to be rescheduled around that, plus I have catching up to do from yesterday.
I think I need an unpaid assistant. :tongue:

Here is NG's transcripts:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/25/ng.01.html

Ha! I forgot about the unpaid assistants chapter in this saga. I definately need more brain power to remember all the facts in this one.

[shelbar53]

interesting news video about the case
http://http://www.wesh.com/video/17561343/index.html

[num1barb]

I haven't heard or read anything about the protestors in a day or two, with the exception of the judge denying the injunction, are they still out there?? TIA and sorry if this has been asked and answered!

[jbellaj]

Something rather interesting I heard on NG last night:

There was a prosecutor on NG who said that not necessarily all the discovery they've got is made public. It sounded to me that it may be made public if it's filed through the county clerk's office. But he was saying that not ALL discovery is necessarily filed with the clerk's office - that if the prosecution doesn't want it released publically, they can provide it to the defense and bypass the clerk.

Huh.

I also heard that but I wonder if they did not file all the info in the clerks office. :shrug:

[Regina.Lampert]

I don't think this will be Cindy's first interview that's going to be released. The first one would be the most telling as to what she was thinking.

I believe I *heard* it was one that was taken two weeks after Caylee was reported missing. Like the others, being questioned about some things that had been discovered in the interim.

It could be the one where she tells them about washing the pants.

Whatever it is, it'll be interesting - that's for sure.

Are you trying to rain on our little parade here???? :tongue:

Even if it's a later interview, I think we can look forward to them going over previously talked about events and statements, don't you?

At any rate, let's all take really good notes, this one's going to be a doozie, imo. :seeya:

[num1barb]

This is and interesting article....says LE is "triple checking" the evidence from the trunk.
(Hope i do this right, I don't normally link stuff)

http://www.wesh.com/news/17563488/detail.html

ETA: changed are to is, silly me :)

[Ladyhawk]

and why were the cloths in backpacks and not in the closet or dresser drawers?

We don't know where the clothes were kept when she was staying with Tony because no one asks these important questions...we only know what Lee says about the clothes and the backpack...heck, we don't know what kind of clothes or how many or if they were clean or dirty because no one asks followup questions of these people they're interviewing. It's frustrating to me that they just move on to another question...urgh hammer

[shelbar53]

sorry i left out on that link, LE triple checked the evidence, they know what position she was laying in the trunk, will arrest her in weeks for the dissapearance of her daughter
http://http://www.wesh.com/video/17561343/index.html

[num1barb]

Lord have mercy, how many typos can I make in one post?? LOL

[tjcox]

GM everyone! I asked this yesterday but I don't think anyone ever answered. Have the 500 text msgs of Casey's been released? I only see text msgs. from her friends and Cindy but not Casey's. TIA

:rose:for Caylee!

[Regina.Lampert]

I don't think it helped anybody. It certainly didn't help him in the credibility department. Laughing about the car smell like it was so funny thinking about George driving that car home with the windows down. Never mind that the "smell" was in all likelihood, his niece.

Then the computer stuff is really hinky. The computer's on, then it's not on, then all he gets is the blue screen, then he can tell the emails were deleted, he's gone for 2 and a half hours just to pick up the clothes.....

Waaaay too much information about the computer, you're right. Let's remember too that casey anthony had no idea cynthia and Amy were about to descend upon her. IMO, it was not casey anthony on that computer that night, deleting information. It was lee anthony who accomplished that little chore when he went to retreive casey's stuff. I'm sure LE knows that.

[Ladyhawk]

sorry i left out on that link, LE triple checked the evidence, they know what position she was laying in the trunk, will arrest her in weeks for the dissapearance of her daughter
http://http://www.wesh.com/video/17561343/index.html

you have an extra http:// in your link.

[SavannahStar]

sorry i left out on that link, LE triple checked the evidence, they know what position she was laying in the trunk, will arrest her in weeks for the dissapearance of her daughter
http://http://www.wesh.com/video/17561343/index.html


That link doesn't work for me.

[jbellaj]

I don't think it helped anybody. It certainly didn't help him in the credibility department. Laughing about the car smell like it was so funny thinking about George driving that car home with the windows down. Never mind that the "smell" was in all likelihood, his niece.

Then the computer stuff is really hinky. The computer's on, then it's not on, then all he gets is the blue screen, then he can tell the emails were deleted, he's gone for 2 and a half hours just to pick up the clothes.....

I agree about the laughing too. I would not find anything about that to laugh at. Some thought it was do to his nerves while I do believe there are some people that happens to I'm not buying that with Lee.

The computer stuff sent off the same thing for me. Why was he gone for almost 2 1/2 hours. I got the impression he was trying to throw some doubt toward Tony.

Did you catch at the very end of Tony's interview the det said something to the effect that he agreed to some other tools to help with the investigation. I am assuming that, that was Tony agreeing to take a poly.

What do you think?

[dixielover]

Waaaay too much information about the computer, you're right. Let's remember too that casey anthony had no idea cynthia and Amy were about to descend upon her. IMO, it was not casey anthony on that computer that night, deleting information. It was lee anthony who accomplished that little chore when he went to retreive casey's stuff. I'm sure LE knows that.


Do you think that LA went somewhere and just tried to crash the computer or just wipe out certain files- the way it sounded, he thought it was a virus- I would have not idea how to do this- My computer just crashes on its own. imo

[commonguymd]

interesting news video about the case
http://http://www.wesh.com/video/17561343/index.html



Good find. I like the confidence. Knowing the position of the body - good. Chloroform prior. Hair fell out after death.

[Elle]

Good morning everyone. :-) Nice to see you and today is the day that supposedly we get Cindy's two hour interview. Now that should be something. :rolleyes:

I look for Tim back next week or this weekend from what he said in his interview. Let's hope that things move along quickly.

A question I'm having rumble around in my brain and it's not going anywhere other than in circles. Ricardo said in his interview that Casey stayed with him and she got up in the middle of the night and took Caylee to her parents (never happened) and came back and got into bed. Ricardo said it was after June 9 but before July 1 and that's all he could pin it down to. This to me is a really important fact. We know she didn't take her home to Cindy, so where did she take her in the middle of the night? I think somehow they need to nail that down time-wise if they haven't already. MOO

Good morning

On page 12 the detective asks RM if their was ever a time that Casey spent the night there w/o Caylee and RM states there was a time when they were dating that they both started off in his bed but that when he woke up it was just Casey, and she told him that Cindy called in the middle of the night to bring Caylee home. On page 13,the detective asks when this happened...April, before that? He cannot remember when exactly, but reiterates it was when they were dating. They dated from Feb 08 until mid April 08 (page 2)

http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/rm092308.pdf

Ricardo states that the last time he saw Caylee was on the morning of the June 10th (page 14)
imo, moo

[jbellaj]

and why were the cloths in backpacks and not in the closet or dresser drawers?

One of two things. She was living out of the bags because of all the moving from place to place or after everything that went down on the 16th and Tony talked to Amy or when Lee called him to say he was coming to get her stuff Tony packed it up for Lee. JMO:shrug:

[warrkat]

ITA. And FWIW, I can understand lee chuckling a little during his interview (nervous laughter) but the LAUGHING when he described george driving the smelly car home was VERY creepy. YUCK. This whole family makes me sick.

We once had to haul a coon hound 100 miles in the back seat after it chased the wrong prey..... a skunk. That was nasty, but funny.
Knowing that George had to know what he was smelling, and probably Lee, too, it's simply bizarre that he thought the situation was funny. jmo

[Ladyhawk]

Waaaay too much information about the computer, you're right. Let's remember too that casey anthony had no idea cynthia and Amy were about to descend upon her. IMO, it was not casey anthony on that computer that night, deleting information. It was lee anthony who accomplished that little chore when he went to retreive casey's stuff. I'm sure LE knows that.


We need to hear from Tony how long Lee was at the apartment...I haven't seen that info anywhere. I wouldn't think it would take 2.5 hours to pick up her belongings if they were already packed as Lee stated. Lee didn't have to get on the computer at Tone's apartment, it was a laptop, he could have done what needed to be done on the side of the road or even gone back to his place in Orlando. jmo

[shelbar53]

you have an extra http:// in your link.

thanks, i saw that it didnt work, so i was testing how to do it correctly in an email to myself. let me try again

http://www.wesh.com/video/17561343/index.html

[jbellaj]

Are you trying to rain on our little parade here???? :tongue:

Even if it's a later interview, I think we can look forward to them going over previously talked about events and statements, don't you?

At any rate, let's all take really good notes, this one's going to be a doozie, imo. :seeya:

It's suppose to be released at 10 this morning. I wonder if it's the transcripts or the audio. If it's the audio I will have to wait to get home to listen because PC at works always skips. :mad:

[mattncats]

OK, this is her third excuse, lie, etc. If she said she sold her to someone in PR, then can't they arrest her for selling her child. Isn't illegal to sell your child? Not that anyone believes that story for a minute.....

[Regina.Lampert]

When sources say "IRON-CLAD PROOF" that is enough for me to know that more serious charges are coming down for the OC.

According to other sources, lab tests have been ongoing as recently as this week to "triple check" that evidence. Investigators said they're confident those tests will provide "iron-clad proof" that Caylee's body was in the trunk of the car, how her body was positioned and that strands of her hair fell out after she died.

Investigators have also confirmed that high levels of chloroform were in the trunk, and they said they're close to determining the dates someone researched chloroform on Anthony's computer before Caylee disappeared.

One investigator said there's still a critical element missing: a definite motive and criminal intent for why Caylee's body got in the trunk.

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/17563488/detail.html

[Regina.Lampert]

It's suppose to be released at 10 this morning. I wonder if it's the transcripts or the audio. If it's the audio I will have to wait to get home to listen because PC at works always skips. :mad:

I think it's gonna be the audio Bella, but don't worry our discussions will still be going on when ya get back. Looking forward to your return...............:seeya:

[jbellaj]

This is and interesting article....says LE is "triple checking" the evidence from the trunk.
(Hope i do this right, I don't normally link stuff)

http://www.wesh.com/news/17563488/detail.html

ETA: changed are to is, silly me :)


TY it was a very interesting read.

[Ladyhawk]

OK, this is her third excuse, lie, etc. If she said she sold her to someone in PR, then can't they arrest her for selling her child. Isn't illegal to sell your child? Not that anyone believes that story for a minute.....

If she sold her, where's the money? How much did she sell her for? Must not have been much if she needed to steal. ITA with you to an extent about no one believing that story...the exception is Cindy, she might believe it. jmo

[martha]

How many of you think that Lee's statement did more harm then good for Casey? I think it didn't help her at all. How many think that family is pretty pizzed at him right about now?Good morning everyone. I think the a's or mad at lee. That may be the reason we have not seen much of him. I have not seen him at the home for a long time. maybe casey don;t want to see him now. I think I read george was working at night is that right? Has casey not gone to her lawyers office this week? I have not seen cindy this week. I just can;t believe they have all just disap. I miss a lot tho. Jmho:rose:

[jbellaj]

GM everyone! I asked this yesterday but I don't think anyone ever answered. Have the 500 text msgs of Casey's been released? I only see text msgs. from her friends and Cindy but not Casey's. TIA

:rose:for Caylee!


In short because I didn't read them what was the content of Cindy messages. I'm curious what they were and how many from6/16 through 7/17 as opposed to what she said at the bond hearing. TIA

[SavannahStar]

When sources say "IRON-CLAD PROOF" that is enough for me to know that more serious charges are coming down for the OC.

According to other sources, lab tests have been ongoing as recently as this week to "triple check" that evidence. Investigators said they're confident those tests will provide "iron-clad proof" that Caylee's body was in the trunk of the car, how her body was positioned and that strands of her hair fell out after she died.

Investigators have also confirmed that high levels of chloroform were in the trunk, and they said they're close to determining the dates someone researched chloroform on Anthony's computer before Caylee disappeared.

One investigator said there's still a critical element missing: a definite motive and criminal intent for why Caylee's body got in the trunk.

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/17563488/detail.html

I don't quite understand the "close to determining the dates someone researched chloroform on Anthony's computer"......it would seem to me that determining the date(s) of search(es) is one of the simplest things in computer forensics. :shrug:

[Regina.Lampert]

Do you think that LA went somewhere and just tried to crash the computer or just wipe out certain files- the way it sounded, he thought it was a virus- I would have not idea how to do this- My computer just crashes on its own. imo

Yes, I think lee did something to the computer. I haven't thought about where he did it tho, good point.

[bewitched]

:) I have a question - Does chloroform destroy dna? I thought I heard this somewhere but do not remember where or if was on NG or Greta

Also after hearing Lee's tape on NG last night I have decided that I am going to listen to the tapes instead of reading the transcripts. For some reason I have a hard time reading with all of the uh huh's on paper. It makes more sense to me and I get a better feel for what is being said

Justice for Caylee
Dawn

[SavannahStar]

We need to hear from Tony how long Lee was at the apartment...I haven't seen that info anywhere. I wouldn't think it would take 2.5 hours to pick up her belongings if they were already packed as Lee stated. Lee didn't have to get on the computer at Tone's apartment, it was a laptop, he could have done what needed to be done on the side of the road or even gone back to his place in Orlando. jmo

I think because Tony was the last person that Casey spent time with, that Lee sat and talked with Tony about a lot of things.

[jakee]

I don't quite understand the "close to determining the dates someone researched chloroform on Anthony's computer"......it would seem to me that determining the date(s) of search(es) is one of the simplest things in computer forensics. :shrug:

Good morning all,

That confuses me too. :confused:

[tjcox]

In short because I didn't read them what was the content of Cindy messages. I'm curious what they were and how many from6/16 through 7/17 as opposed to what she said at the bond hearing. TIA

I read them kind of fast but I the one I remember is from Lee to Cindy telling her not to say anything about the letters that Casey gave JB to give them. I think they were having a vigil and Lee was telling her not to say anything about the letters.

[jbellaj]

I think it's gonna be the audio Bella, but don't worry our discussions will still be going on when ya get back. Looking forward to your return...............:seeya:


Thanks Regina, I appreciate that...:rose:

[Regina.Lampert]

I don't quite understand the "close to determining the dates someone researched chloroform on Anthony's computer"......it would seem to me that determining the date(s) of search(es) is one of the simplest things in computer forensics. :shrug:

I believe they have that information too. Perhaps they are giving the person who did the research time to step forward and begin cooperating with LE, if the person is someone other then casey anthony.

[bballgrl]

When sources say "IRON-CLAD PROOF" that is enough for me to know that more serious charges are coming down for the OC.

According to other sources, lab tests have been ongoing as recently as this week to "triple check" that evidence. Investigators said they're confident those tests will provide "iron-clad proof" that Caylee's body was in the trunk of the car, how her body was positioned and that strands of her hair fell out after she died.

Investigators have also confirmed that high levels of chloroform were in the trunk, and they said they're close to determining the dates someone researched chloroform on Anthony's computer before Caylee disappeared.

One investigator said there's still a critical element missing: a definite motive and criminal intent for why Caylee's body got in the trunk.

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/17563488/detail.html

Now Regina... doesn't this blow all to he!!, the theory that there were only "trace amounts" of chloroform in the vehicle. Hmmmm, I remember some people making a HUGE deal about how the "trace amounts" became "huge amounts". Sounds like there was more than just a little chloroform in that car!

I love it when a plan comes together (yup, that's not my quote!)

[Ladyhawk]

No kidding, I think I already did. I just cannot let it go until they find her little body. I understand denial and shuting the truth out from yourself...but there's a body out there and Cindy knows that. She smelt it, cleaned up after it, and knows her Daughter. Maybe she is in such DEEP denial because she knows in a way she helped cause this.
I just can't imagine how Poor lil' Caylee felt in that house. Having your Grandmother call your Mom a loser on a daily basis and all that yelling and disfunction in that house.

I could be wrong but I am going to believe, because I want to, that if Cindy said all the bad mom stuff and Caylee was a mistake, she didn't say any of it in front of Caylee. I am going to believe that Caylee was loved and that she felt loved and that she was happy. I'm going to remember Jessie G's telling of how she much she loved her playhouse and the good times they had playing together. moo

[OneUp]

and why were the cloths in backpacks and not in the closet or dresser drawers?That's an easy one shel...TonE had no intention of giving her any leeway to think she could move in, so he didn't provide Casey any space to put her belongings in. The things she did have out, I would imagine they gathered up post haste so that when/if she returned with Cindy there would be no cause to linger. After that hateful little show by Cindy when she picked Casey up I doubt that any of those guys wanted Cindy hanging around...that and the fact that they had discovered the checkbook and talked to Amy. Who in their right mind would let a known thief linger in their home?

Good morning to all...I'm waiting for the release of the interview with Cindy as well...I'm not sure how I feel about listening to it, but I will be reading the transcripts.
I have no doubt that further "Huh?" moments will break upon me as I read them. Nothing any of these people do fits normal logic...and boy, do they ever lie!...even Lee, I am convinced of that after hearing him. I did hear nervous laughter...and embarassment. But he spoke so excitedly...and some of the laughter seemed more relieved than anything else ( esp. when he discussed the retrieval of Casey's things). Besides, who cold speak so casually about the disappearance of their niece? He seemed more interested in bragging about how well he managed Casey and the situation than worried, scared for Caylee, or repulsed. Yeah Lee, that riding home in the "atrocious" car thing...REAL funny! That's something no one here could even summon a joke about. And none of us sat aroud inhaling our dead niece for a few hours!
Always, JMO.
JMO.

[summer4meplz]

So who the heck is Brandon?

[Mairi II]

I could be wrong but I am going to believe, because I want to, that if Cindy said all the bad mom stuff and Caylee was a mistake, she didn't say any of it in front of Caylee. I am going to believe that Caylee was loved and that she felt loved and that she was happy. I'm going to remember Jessie G's telling of how she much she loved her playhouse and the good times they had playing together. moo

I agree 100% with you, Ladyhawk.

Plus, consider the source of who's tellling Lee this stuff. It's funny how some people believe what Casey says when they want to use it against Cindy.... but otherwise discount everything she says.

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning!
Bringing this over from my sad little simultaneously launched but unmerged morning thread:

Just now watching NG from last night. I noted with satisfaction that Lee Anthony in his LE interview quoted Casey as calling herself "a spiteful b-word" and that is support for my theory of weeks ago that she killed Caylee to spite her mother as well as to free herself.


Important evidence if LE decides to go with the intentional killing of Caylee to retaliate against cynthia, imo.

Aw kell, gawd love ya....it never fails, you can sit and stare at the board for an hour waiting for someone to start the daily thread and as soon as you do it, someone else has also, ususally within minutes of yours...lol.

[margaritaville]

Good morning everyone. I think the a's or mad at lee. That may be the reason we have not seen much of him. I have not seen him at the home for a long time. maybe casey don;t want to see him now. I think I read george was working at night is that right? Has casey not gone to her lawyers office this week? I have not seen cindy this week. I just can;t believe they have all just disap. I miss a lot tho. Jmho:rose:


Really??? I would think if anyone should be mad at anyone it would be Cindy herself.

1. She called the police
2. She said the car smelled like there was a damn body in it.
3. She said that Zanny stole Caylee

I moo

[OneUp]

I haven't heard or read anything about the protestors in a day or two, with the exception of the judge denying the injunction, are they still out there?? TIA and sorry if this has been asked and answered!
There was an article yesterday i believe, about a man who set up a tongue in cheek "Protesters Daycare"...that is the latest I've heard. I wake up every morning surprised that another day goes by without 911 being called because of violence inside that house...I guess I underestimated the bonds of secrecy and dysfunction.
JMO.

[LeeAnn62]

Lee said in his taped interview that Casey said " 2 dead squirrels crawled up into her car and died"......

1...How does a dead squirrel crawl anywhere?

2...How does a dead squirrel die...AGAIN!!?

:lol:

Just struck me funny!

[Ladyhawk]

I think because Tony was the last person that Casey spent time with, that Lee sat and talked with Tony about a lot of things.

That's quite possible too....if we just knew from Tony how long Lee was there but no one asked Tony that question. Or if they did ask, that information hasn't been revealed to us.

[Regina.Lampert]

Now Regina... doesn't this blow all to he!!, the theory that there were only "trace amounts" of chloroform in the vehicle. Hmmmm, I remember some people making a HUGE deal about how the "trace amounts" became "huge amounts". Sounds like there was more than just a little chloroform in that car!

I love it when a plan comes together (yup, that's not my quote!)

Don't it tho?? Some couldn't even bring themselves to agree any chloroform was in the trunk, lies told by the police don't ya know........ :tongue:

[bballgrl]

Lee said in his taped interview that Casey said " 2 dead squirrls crawled up into her car and died"......

1...How does a dead squirrl crawl anywhere?

2...How does a dead squirrl die...AGAIN!!?

:lol:

Just struck me funny!

Not to mention that ONE dead squirrell is bad luck, but TWO is almost unheard of. Was there a dead squirrell family up there? :confused:

[Leanne Weich]

We need to hear from Tony how long Lee was at the apartment...I haven't seen that info anywhere. I wouldn't think it would take 2.5 hours to pick up her belongings if they were already packed as Lee stated. Lee didn't have to get on the computer at Tone's apartment, it was a laptop, he could have done what needed to be done on the side of the road or even gone back to his place in Orlando. jmo

With the way Lee likes to talk, as evidenced by his interview with LE, and his attempts to play PI, maybe he spent a long time questioning Tony.

[margaritaville]

Lee said in his taped interview that Casey said " 2 dead squirrls crawled up into her car and died"......

1...How does a dead squirrl crawl anywhere?

2...How does a dead squirrl die...AGAIN!!?

:lol:

Just struck me funny!



I caught that too and wondered if Casey actually said it that way to him or if that is his words?

Either way it was funny!

[OneUp]

We don't know where the clothes were kept when she was staying with Tony because no one asks these important questions...we only know what Lee says about the clothes and the backpack...heck, we don't know what kind of clothes or how many or if they were clean or dirty because no one asks followup questions of these people they're interviewing. It's frustrating to me that they just move on to another question...urgh hammerThe way that CAsey talked about being
centralized" at TonE's leads me to think she was likely livig out of her "luggage"...I don't think he wanted her to settle in...the facts of the way he spoke about needing distance from her while in NY and that he chose not to let her stay there while he was gone spoke to that IMO.
JMO.

[jbellaj]

Good morning everyone. I think the a's or mad at lee. That may be the reason we have not seen much of him. I have not seen him at the home for a long time. maybe casey don;t want to see him now. I think I read george was working at night is that right? Has casey not gone to her lawyers office this week? I have not seen cindy this week. I just can;t believe they have all just disap. I miss a lot tho. Jmho:rose:

I think that all are laying low now that all this stuff is being released. JMO

[bballgrl]

Don't it tho?? Some couldn't even bring themselves to agree any chloroform was in the trunk, lies told by the police don't ya know........ :tongue:

Damn LE... all a bunch of cheats and liars!
:lol:

[OneUp]

GM everyone! I asked this yesterday but I don't think anyone ever answered. Have the 500 text msgs of Casey's been released? I only see text msgs. from her friends and Cindy but not Casey's. TIA

:rose:for Caylee!
I seem to have missed Cindy's text messages...I'll need to go find those as i see folks are discussing them.

[SavannahStar]

Don't it tho?? Some couldn't even bring themselves to agree any chloroform was in the trunk, lies told by the police don't ya know........ :tongue:


Well I for one am still not convinced on the chloroform. I'm stubborn....would like to see an LE spokesperson actually come out and state what was found. IOW not rely on a news article. (That was just in the article, not a video, right?) But I also don't believe that all who find the chloroform "evidence" suspect (for NOW) have stated that the police lie. Me for one.

It doesn't hurt to wait for further and more reliable proof, IMO.

[Katt2]

Regarding the chloroform: if there were high levels at the time the car was discovered, it would indicate to me that it was used either trying to destroy evidence or mask the odor. It was likely in the fabric of the trunk. I think if it had been used on Caylee, there wouldn't still be the residual odor from it.

[jbellaj]

I read them kind of fast but I the one I remember is from Lee to Cindy telling her not to say anything about the letters that Casey gave JB to give them. I think they were having a vigil and Lee was telling her not to say anything about the letters.

TY so am I to assume correctly that there were no messages from Casey to Cindy?

[martha]

I too believe caylee was loved by all in that family. I don;t think she was ever mistreated. I think caylee might have been crying and begging casey to take her home to granny;s house. where all her stuff was at. She loved her play house so much. I would think she wanted to be there and not out runing around with casey. from place to place and where she did not know those people. I don;t doubt the love the gp's had for caylee I do doubt that casey had any love for her. I am sure cindy was on casey behind a lot but I don;t think she let caylee hear this. jmho:rose:

[margaritaville]

The way that CAsey talked about being
centralized" at TonE's leads me to think she was likely livig out of her "luggage"...I don't think he wanted her to settle in...the facts of the way he spoke about needing distance from her while in NY and that he chose not to let her stay there while he was gone spoke to that IMO.
JMO.



I was thinking his reasoning for not wanting her to stay at his place while he was gone was because he knew she couldn't be trusted.
I bet he already knew she stole money ect. And didn't want any of his stuff to come up missing.....imo

[SavannahStar]

With the way Lee likes to talk, as evidenced by his interview with LE, and his attempts to play PI, maybe he spent a long time questioning Tony.

Yep. I said that too.

[jbellaj]

Now Regina... doesn't this blow all to he!!, the theory that there were only "trace amounts" of chloroform in the vehicle. Hmmmm, I remember some people making a HUGE deal about how the "trace amounts" became "huge amounts". Sounds like there was more than just a little chloroform in that car!

I love it when a plan comes together (yup, that's not my quote!)

That's NG for ya.

[marshmallow]

When sources say "IRON-CLAD PROOF" that is enough for me to know that more serious charges are coming down for the OC.

According to other sources, lab tests have been ongoing as recently as this week to "triple check" that evidence. Investigators said they're confident those tests will provide "iron-clad proof" that Caylee's body was in the trunk of the car, how her body was positioned and that strands of her hair fell out after she died.

Investigators have also confirmed that high levels of chloroform were in the trunk, and they said they're close to determining the dates someone researched chloroform on Anthony's computer before Caylee disappeared.

One investigator said there's still a critical element missing: a definite motive and criminal intent for why Caylee's body got in the trunk.

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/17563488/detail.html




I still feel it might've been an accident. For all Casey's selfish ways I do not think she deliberately killed Caylee. I think it was either an actual accident or she reacted in anger and lashed out causing the death. The more info released the more the whole picture shows. It's like a puzzle and they're saving the key pieces until there is no doubt.

I don't think Casey planned to harm Caylee. She wouldn't do that to herself. I can see her hiding Caylee but that's fading quickly. I can see her stashing Caylee with a friend but there are no friends unaccounted for and these young people may not have the life styles we want them to have... we were all that age once though. The only one not fully partcipating is Casey and I bet that pissed her off something special. After all, she didn't want to have the baby, according to her brother.
I can see her sending the child off with ffriends to punish Cindy. George I discount completely. No one in that family seems to like him very muich. I think poor George lost his man card a long time back.
but the friends in question do not seem the type to do that. I think this is all Casey and it's getting very difficult to think Caylee's alive.


Lee's a psychiatrist's soggy dream. He's getting to sit down and chat dude to dude with the LE. I think he wanted to be a police officer, like Daddy, as a child. I also think Casey got all the attention growing up and he was background material. I can see him doing a few tricks to the computer and I know the LE can get it recovered but it does take time. I do think he pulled the pics but wishes he didn't since loads of pics make his sister look the loving Mother. I don't think they've discussed Caylee too much as a family and they know but no one mentions it. The tension must be so thick you can cut it in that house and every release of info makes it worse.



those are all my opinion and obviously I've had too much coffee.

[ellegna]

How do we know she didn't take her home?

She may have but I believe it was to an empty house.
I recall reading somewhere the A's were on vacation June 9th to 15th.
The closest I came to finding that info was on LKL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_J4VbGgk-0&feature=related

Cindy told Larry when they got back they found a registered letter. Since it was the weekend, they had to wait till Monday (June 16th) to get it

Let's presume Casey was at Ricardo's between June 9 to 15.

"IF" Casey did leave Ricardo's during the night, Casey may have taken Caylee to her parent's home, put Caylee in her bed and drove back to Ricardo's leaving Caylee alone.

Here's what's bothering me now.
Let's suppose that's what Casey did.
What if Caylee got up during the night?
What if Caylee got into the medicine cabinet or got a hold of something under the sink?
What if Casey came back in the morning and found Caylee dead?
Cindy already stated that their home was child proofed but Caylee was so smart, she managed to remove child proof knobs n such.

How is Casey going to explain to her parents she left Caylee alone so she could go back and spend the night with a guy?
We heard Casey say she was petrified of Cindy so I'm guessing panic set in, she avoided them for 30 days and the stories to explain away a missing Caylee began to surface.

[Mairi II]

Lee said in his taped interview that Casey said " 2 dead squirrels crawled up into her car and died"......

1...How does a dead squirrel crawl anywhere?

2...How does a dead squirrel die...AGAIN!!?

:lol:

Just struck me funny!

Now don't you think it's a little inappropriate to be laughing about dead squirrels? :biggrin:

[MichelleP]

This is and interesting article....says LE is "triple checking" the evidence from the trunk.
(Hope i do this right, I don't normally link stuff)

http://www.wesh.com/news/17563488/detail.html

ETA: changed are to is, silly me :)

That is an interesting link, thank you for sharing. A lot of new information in that.

In a matter of weeks, investigators said they plan to arrest Anthony in connection with Caylee's disappearance.

When asked about the possibility that Caylee was buried in the back yard of the family's home, investigators said they believe if the toddler's body was there, it was later moved, and after a thorough investigation of the yard, they believe it was unnecessary to dig there.

I hope they arrest her soon.

[martha]

When I listened to lee tape yesterday he sounds just like cindy. in fact they all sound alike when they talk use the same words ect. I really think this is a mixed up bunch and not sure we will ever know the truth about what happened to caylee. If she is dead she is in God;s arms right now. thank goodness for that.jmho:rose:

[jbellaj]

I've gotta get some work down in this office. I'll drop back in around 11:30. TIA for keeping me in the loop.:seeya:

[OneUp]

http://www.wesh.com/video/17561343/index.html
When listening to this video, and hearing the clips of Casey speaking, I am again struck by how she sounds almost gleeful when she states that she has no idea where Caylee is. I am convinced that she truely has confidence that she doesn't know. Either this child was put into a dumpster or water, Casey transported her under the influence ( and possibly at night as well) and was somewhat lost, or another person tok Caylee to her final resting place...who that other party might be i have little opinion on.
JMO.
ETA: If they know enough to feel certain of the position of the body, make no mistake, CaseY will be charged. I am more convinced than ever upon hearing/reading this that they are trying to hold out on charges to go for the maximium charge.

[Regina.Lampert]

http://www.wesh.com/video/17561343/index.html

Thank you for this link. The reporter says that sources say they are still figuring out "motive" and "criminal intent."

Well, to prosecute a case they do not need to prove a motive to the jury. So, it's the criminal intent that is critical.

The reporter also states that sources revealed to him they expect to arrest casey anthony in the disappearance of Caylee, within a few weeks.

[tjcox]

TY so am I to assume correctly that there were no messages from Casey to Cindy?


Not any that were released. I have heard news shows talk about the Casey's txt msgs. but I have not seen them. Has anyone seen her txt msgs??

[bballgrl]

She may have but I believe it was to an empty house.
I recall reading somewhere the A's were on vacation June 9th to 15th.
The closest I came to finding that info was on LKL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_J4VbGgk-0&feature=related

Cindy told Larry when they got back they found a registered letter. Since it was the weekend, they had to wait till Monday (June 16th) to get it

Let's presume Casey was at Ricardo's between June 9 to 15.

"IF" Casey did leave Ricardo's during the night, Casey may have taken Caylee to her parent's home, put Caylee in her bed and drove back to Ricardo's leaving Caylee alone.

Here's what's bothering me now.
Let's suppose that's what Casey did.
What if Caylee got up during the night?
What if Caylee got into the medicine cabinet or got a hold of something under the sink?
What if Casey came back in the morning and found Caylee dead?
Cindy already stated that their home was child proofed but Caylee was so smart, she managed to remove child proof knobs n such.

How is Casey going to explain to her parents she left Caylee alone so she could go back and spend the night with a guy?
We heard Casey say she was petrified of Cindy so I'm guessing panic set in, she avoided them for 30 days and the stories to explain away a missing Caylee began to surface.


WOW! That is actually a good theory... The part about Caylee being left alone by Casey. ANYTHING could have happened to a little 2 1/2 YO girl all alone in a house all night!

[SavannahStar]

I don't quite understand the "close to determining the dates someone researched chloroform on Anthony's computer"......it would seem to me that determining the date(s) of search(es) is one of the simplest things in computer forensics. :shrug:

I believe they have that information too. Perhaps they are giving the person who did the research time to step forward and begin cooperating with LE, if the person is someone other then casey anthony.

That explanation doesn't make a bit of sense to me. :)

[marshmallow]

I don't even consider the chloroform or anything the rambling bounty hunter has to say. The bounty hunter is a defense friendly witness. He's spunn himself in circles contradicting things he's already said. Duped or not, as a witness he's not in the A squad. The chloroform information is too sketchy for me to consider. Too many unknown facts about it.

[babblefishie]

Yes that is what I heard and I think a computer release of info on caseys computer
Sounds to me like tonight might be capped off with an arrest... :eek::beer:

[EGirl]

She may have but I believe it was to an empty house.
I recall reading somewhere the A's were on vacation June 9th to 15th.
The closest I came to finding that info was on LKL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_J4VbGgk-0&feature=related

Cindy told Larry when they got back they found a registered letter. Since it was the weekend, they had to wait till Monday (June 16th) to get it


No,they picked up the car in JULY, not June. June 15th is when Caylee was with Cindy at the retirement home.

[Joan Weiss]

Now Regina... doesn't this blow all to he!!, the theory that there were only "trace amounts" of chloroform in the vehicle. Hmmmm, I remember some people making a HUGE deal about how the "trace amounts" became "huge amounts". Sounds like there was more than just a little chloroform in that car!

I love it when a plan comes together (yup, that's not my quote!)And didn't NG get all the heat for that chloroform statement. Geesh! A former prosecutor has old friends in LE, imo

[BANJO GRANNY]

How many of you think that Lee's statement did more harm then good for Casey? I think it didn't help her at all. How many think that family is pretty pizzed at him right about now?

IMO I think it has really hurt her case or at least I hope it has.
I can't wait to read her parents statments.

:rose:For Baby Caylee

[bewitched]

Motive - wouldnt the motive be that she wanted to party and not have the responisbility of raising a child - I think the motive is very clear

Dawn

[watchu]

I noticed that Caylee looks a lot like Cindy. How frustrating it must have been for a Narcissist like Casey to have a little 'mini mom' to deal with.

[babblefishie]

You beat me to it, I was thinking about that all night, how did she know it was 2, maybe it was 1 big one or 3 tiny ones...

The crawling dead squirrels struck me as funny too. I guess she thought there was enough stink factor to throw another rodent into the story. If one stinks -- two will really be a doozy!:rolleyes:

[bballgrl]

And didn't NG get all the heat for that chloroform statement. Geesh! A former prosecutor has old friends in LE, imo


You bet she did. I like Nancy Grace. I do not mean to say that she never exaggerates, but she wouldn't make stuff up either (IMO). Sometimes I wish she would let her guests finish their sentences, but that's just me...:D

[SavannahStar]

She may have but I believe it was to an empty house.
I recall reading somewhere the A's were on vacation June 9th to 15th.
The closest I came to finding that info was on LKL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_J4VbGgk-0&feature=related

Cindy told Larry when they got back they found a registered letter. Since it was the weekend, they had to wait till Monday (June 16th) to get it

Let's presume Casey was at Ricardo's between June 9 to 15.

"IF" Casey did leave Ricardo's during the night, Casey may have taken Caylee to her parent's home, put Caylee in her bed and drove back to Ricardo's leaving Caylee alone.

Here's what's bothering me now.
Let's suppose that's what Casey did.
What if Caylee got up during the night?
What if Caylee got into the medicine cabinet or got a hold of something under the sink?
What if Casey came back in the morning and found Caylee dead?
Cindy already stated that their home was child proofed but Caylee was so smart, she managed to remove child proof knobs n such.

How is Casey going to explain to her parents she left Caylee alone so she could go back and spend the night with a guy?
We heard Casey say she was petrified of Cindy so I'm guessing panic set in, she avoided them for 30 days and the stories to explain away a missing Caylee began to surface.

Only thing is......she was already in bed with him, right? Why would she get up and take Caylee to an empty house "because she wanted to spend the night with a guy"? She AND Caylee were already there. Caylee wasn't "in the way." :confused: So that theory doesn't ring true for me at all.

[Regina.Lampert]

She may have but I believe it was to an empty house.
I recall reading somewhere the A's were on vacation June 9th to 15th.
The closest I came to finding that info was on LKL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_J4VbGgk-0&feature=related

Cindy told Larry when they got back they found a registered letter. Since it was the weekend, they had to wait till Monday (June 16th) to get it

Let's presume Casey was at Ricardo's between June 9 to 15.

"IF" Casey did leave Ricardo's during the night, Casey may have taken Caylee to her parent's home, put Caylee in her bed and drove back to Ricardo's leaving Caylee alone.

Here's what's bothering me now.
Let's suppose that's what Casey did.
What if Caylee got up during the night?
What if Caylee got into the medicine cabinet or got a hold of something under the sink?
What if Casey came back in the morning and found Caylee dead?
Cindy already stated that their home was child proofed but Caylee was so smart, she managed to remove child proof knobs n such.

How is Casey going to explain to her parents she left Caylee alone so she could go back and spend the night with a guy?
We heard Casey say she was petrified of Cindy so I'm guessing panic set in, she avoided them for 30 days and the stories to explain away a missing Caylee began to surface.


Elle, you mean July right? The registered letter arrived in July iirc.

[EGirl]

Only thing is......she was already in bed with him, right? Why would she get up and take Caylee to an empty house "because she wanted to spend the night with a guy"? She AND Caylee were already there. Caylee wasn't "in the way." :confused: So that theory doesn't ring true for me at all.

She has her months confused and the Anthonys were HOME on the night of June 15th.

[SavannahStar]

I don't even consider the chloroform or anything the rambling bounty hunter has to say. The bounty hunter is a defense friendly witness. He's spunn himself in circles contradicting things he's already said. Duped or not, as a witness he's not in the A squad. The chloroform information is too sketchy for me to consider. Too many unknown facts about it.


Ditto for me.

[Joan Weiss]

Thank you for this link. The reporter says that sources say they are still figuring out "motive" and "criminal intent."

Well, to prosecute a case they do not need to prove a motive to the jury. So, it's the criminal intent that is critical.

The reporter also states that sources revealed to him they expect to arrest casey anthony in the disappearance of Caylee, within a few weeks.Morning, Reggie. So no grand jury? :confused:

Does FLA require a Grand Jury indictment before an arrest on capital murder?

[joint-heir]

June 23, who was the brown haired guy the neighbor saw Casey with at Anthony's home backing into the garage?

[bballgrl]

Only thing is......she was already in bed with him, right? Why would she get up and take Caylee to an empty house "because she wanted to spend the night with a guy"? She AND Caylee were already there. Caylee wasn't "in the way." :confused: So that theory doesn't ring true for me at all.

3 in a bed is awkward.... 2 in a bed is better. I am sure that Casey had something else in mind and the presence of her daughter was a deterant. Maybe she did not realize that he was such a heavy sleeper! LOL He never woke up to take advantage of the situation!:cool:

[summer4meplz]

Regarding the best sex with Rick comment by casey.....someone said it was probably ricardo...but....listening to Jesse....he had a roommate named Rick....could it be?

Sorry if this stuff has been talked about...I've been just barely in and out for a week....so far behind...and did anyone answer about who Brandon is? if so, I missed it...I'm trying not to miss anything today....tia

[babblefishie]

IMO I think it has really hurt her case or at least I hope it has.
I can't wait to read her parents statments.

:rose:For Baby Caylee

Honestly, I think Lee's statement harmed her and I don't think he minds that. I don't feel Lee is covering for her. He's protecting her in the sense that he firmly believes "innocent until proven guilty", but he made no bones about the fact that he does not believe all her stories. Yeah the parents' statements will be VERY telling.

I think things are about to really hit the fan. Notice how quiet ALL of them FINALLY are? Baez, George, CINDY? Silence.......

[Regina.Lampert]

That explanation doesn't make a bit of sense to me. :)

:lol: Why thank you SS, it's my goal to post nonsensical things for your reading pleasure.

[trt]

Well I for one am still not convinced on the chloroform. I'm stubborn....would like to see an LE spokesperson actually come out and state what was found. IOW not rely on a news article. (That was just in the article, not a video, right?) But I also don't believe that all who find the chloroform "evidence" suspect (for NOW) have stated that the police lie. Me for one.

It doesn't hurt to wait for further and more reliable proof, IMO.

If the police lie, what would an LE spokesperson do to convince you of the evidence?

[OneUp]

With the way Lee likes to talk, as evidenced by his interview with LE, and his attempts to play PI, maybe he spent a long time questioning Tony.I had considered that possibilty...but with Lee's love of details, and the way he continually seems to brag about his questioning technique of Casey and his "detective" skills ( telling Amy he is "one step ahead" of her...:rolleyes: )...I don't feel he would leave that fact out in his interview. He seemed to leave the "why" of the length of time it took him to return up in the air...I still feel that he expressed relief in his voice and the manner of his laughter when LE began to close that subject of the computer and the retrieval...when they indicated that he had done OK in a way.
JMO.

[ellegna]

Elle, you mean July right? The registered letter arrived in July iirc.

Sorry got my dates wrong. :(
Too many now.

[summer4meplz]

Motive - wouldnt the motive be that she wanted to party and not have the responisbility of raising a child - I think the motive is very clear

Dawn



Couple that with trying to hurt cindy.....

[bballgrl]

Couple that with trying to hurt cindy.....


Or just the plain fact that she wanted her life back??? Being a mom at 22 and not being able to do whatever you want, whenever you want and with whomever you want, must be tough. Especially for a party mama like Casey....

ETA: Sorry, I guess this is pretty much what bewitched meant in the first place...

[SavannahStar]

She has her months confused and the Anthonys were HOME on the night of June 15th.


I've confused the months myself before! :hat:

[margaritaville]

The crawling dead squirrels struck me as funny too. I guess she thought there was enough stink factor to throw another rodent into the story. If one stinks -- two will really be a doozy!:rolleyes:

ITA....

And isn't it funny that they crawled up under the hood but the smell is in the trunk??

[shelbar53]

That's an easy one shel...TonE had no intention of giving her any leeway to think she could move in, so he didn't provide Casey any space to put her belongings in. The things she did have out, I would imagine they gathered up post haste so that when/if she returned with Cindy there would be no cause to linger. After that hateful little show by Cindy when she picked Casey up I doubt that any of those guys wanted Cindy hanging around...that and the fact that they had discovered the checkbook and talked to Amy. Who in their right mind would let a known thief linger in their home?

Good morning to all...I'm waiting for the release of the interview with Cindy as well...I'm not sure how I feel about listening to it, but I will be reading the transcripts.
I have no doubt that further "Huh?" moments will break upon me as I read them. Nothing any of these people do fits normal logic...and boy, do they ever lie!...even Lee, I am convinced of that after hearing him. I did hear nervous laughter...and embarassment. But he spoke so excitedly...and some of the laughter seemed more relieved than anything else ( esp. when he discussed the retrieval of Casey's things). Besides, who cold speak so casually about the disappearance of their niece? He seemed more interested in bragging about how well he managed Casey and the situation than worried, scared for Caylee, or repulsed. Yeah Lee, that riding home in the "atrocious" car thing...REAL funny! That's something no one here could even summon a joke about. And none of us sat aroud inhaling our dead niece for a few hours!
Always, JMO.
JMO.I dont unerstand this, when tone was in new york she used his car, but went to jessies place to take a shower..said tone was in new york and didnt have the keys to his apartment. am I missing something?

[StickyBeak]

Oh Boy Baez says he believes Caylee is "absolutely" alive and there is not one shred of evidence that Casey hurt her.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/26900676#26900676

[callmetree]

When listening to this video, and hearing the clips of Casey speaking, I am again struck by how she sounds almost gleeful when she states that she has no idea where Caylee is. I am convinced that she truely has confidence that she doesn't know. Either this child was put into a dumpster or water, Casey transported her under the influence ( and possibly at night as well) and was somewhat lost, or another person tok Caylee to her final resting place...who that other party might be i have little opinion on.
JMO.
ETA: If they know enough to feel certain of the position of the body, make no mistake, CaseY will be charged. I am more convinced than ever upon hearing/reading this that they are trying to hold out on charges to go for the maximium charge.

JMO but maybe she really doesn't know where caylee is. i still feel she was in the car and GA disposed of her body. i do think casey is the one that hurt her though. the whole bunch of them make me barf. i just wish the lies would stop and they would find this baby. i'm not even convinced that the grandmother really cared about this child . of course this is simply my opinion.:confused:

[Joan Weiss]

Honestly, I think Lee's statement harmed her and I don't think he minds that. I don't feel Lee is covering for her. He's protecting her in the sense that he firmly believes "innocent until proven guilty", but he made no bones about the fact that he does not believe all her stories. Yeah the parents' statements will be VERY telling.

I think things are about to really hit the fan. Notice how quiet ALL of them FINALLY are? Baez, George, CINDY? Silence.......Now that they have all those docus/statements, I think that family is about to implode. imo

[frances1]

Well I for one am still not convinced on the chloroform. I'm stubborn....would like to see an LE spokesperson actually come out and state what was found. IOW not rely on a news article. (That was just in the article, not a video, right?) But I also don't believe that all who find the chloroform "evidence" suspect (for NOW) have stated that the police lie. Me for one.

It doesn't hurt to wait for further and more reliable proof, IMO.

You'll probably have to wait for the trial to hear the forensic proof. They're not going to lay all their cards on the table face up now.

[SavannahStar]

If the police lie, what would an LE spokesperson do to convince you of the evidence?

:confused: I never said the police lie.

[Elle]

She may have but I believe it was to an empty house.
I recall reading somewhere the A's were on vacation June 9th to 15th.
The closest I came to finding that info was on LKL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_J4VbGgk-0&feature=related

Cindy told Larry when they got back they found a registered letter. Since it was the weekend, they had to wait till Monday (June 16th) to get it

Let's presume Casey was at Ricardo's between June 9 to 15.

"IF" Casey did leave Ricardo's during the night, Casey may have taken Caylee to her parent's home, put Caylee in her bed and drove back to Ricardo's leaving Caylee alone.

Here's what's bothering me now.
Let's suppose that's what Casey did.
What if Caylee got up during the night?
What if Caylee got into the medicine cabinet or got a hold of something under the sink?
What if Casey came back in the morning and found Caylee dead?
Cindy already stated that their home was child proofed but Caylee was so smart, she managed to remove child proof knobs n such.

How is Casey going to explain to her parents she left Caylee alone so she could go back and spend the night with a guy?
We heard Casey say she was petrified of Cindy so I'm guessing panic set in, she avoided them for 30 days and the stories to explain away a missing Caylee began to surface.

http://flawebhosting.net/docs092308/al092308.pdf

The last time that Ricardo saw Caylee was the morning of June 10th. (page 14) The time he is talking about where Casey took Caylee home in the middle of the night happened when they were dating. (page 12) Does not remember the exact date, but reiterates it was when they were dating. (page 13).They dated from Feb 08 til mid April 08. (page 2)

imo, moo

[Joan Weiss]

I dont unerstand this, when tone was in new york she used his car, but went to jessies place to take a shower..said tone was in new york and didnt have the keys to his apartment. am I missing something?He needed a ride to the airport, and the roomies probably didn't want her around. imo

[kitty1182]

Sounds to me like tonight might be capped off with an arrest... :eek::beer:

Wouldn't that be wonderful?:beer:

[SavannahStar]

You'll probably have to wait for the trial to hear the forensic proof. They're not going to lay all their cards on the table face up now.


I'm sure some will come out before trial, but basically yes, you are correct.

[GrannyB]

June 23, who was the brown haired guy the neighbor saw Casey with at Anthony's home backing into the garage?

That's another question I would like to know also.

[Joan Weiss]

I've gotta go out, I'll see ya all later. :seeya:

[ruth66]

This is and interesting article....says LE is "triple checking" the evidence from the trunk.
(Hope i do this right, I don't normally link stuff)

http://www.wesh.com/news/17563488/detail.html

ETA: changed are to is, silly me :)

"triple checking" sounds like they want to wipe "reasonable doubt" clean off the plate. I hope this happens within the next few weeks as described in the article, I have a lot of work piling up....

[bballgrl]

I've confused the months myself before! :hat:


Yes, this case has been going on for far TOO MANY months. Easy to get confused!

[SavannahStar]

Oh Boy Baez says he believes Caylee is "absolutely" alive and there is not one shred of evidence that Casey hurt her.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/26900676#26900676


Holy moly. :eek:

[BANJO GRANNY]

I believe they have that information too. Perhaps they are giving the person who did the research time to step forward and begin cooperating with LE, if the person is someone other then casey anthony.

Good point

[kitty1182]

Oh Boy Baez says he believes Caylee is "absolutely" alive and there is not one shred of evidence that Casey hurt her.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/26900676#26900676

Ok Baez, if she is alive, tell your client to say who she "sold" her too, surly the buyers had a name:rolleyes:

[SandyO]

Motive - wouldnt the motive be that she wanted to party and not have the responisbility of raising a child - I think the motive is very clear

Dawn

I agree that motive is not a problem to determine, but "criminal intent" is another thing. Whatever happened to Caylee may not have been intentional, but caused by carelessness, recklessness, negligence. The criminal part comes in with the cover-up at this point.

[Regina.Lampert]

ITA....

And isn't it funny that they crawled up under the hood but the smell is in the trunk??

Exactly. The new video and article from WESH leads me to believe that Caylee wasn't even wrapped in anthing or in a plastic bag even, since her hair was found and also that mystery stain. Seems LE knows exactly how she was positioned in the trunk.

[shelbar53]

I agree with most of what you say, but I think Lee is getting a bad shake in all this, all these interviews we are hearing happened right after this all went down, I mean can you imagine something like this happening in your life, sure he knew his sister was crazy and a thief, but who would have imagined it would have blown up like this. I dont think Lee is acting abnormally at all considering the unbelievable situation of it all. moo

THERE IS A MISSING CHILD he should be feeling something other than a head rush that he had about how he could get info from casey. in my area when a little 5 year old coulnt be found for a few hours after school, we all went looking for him and i can remember feeling shock and great concern..nothing was funny..just very serious in our efforts. he was later found at a friends house...so ended well. but the point is...when you know a child is missing...you get a terrible feeling even if its not your child, and to even think...that smell could be a person..should be a very sobering experience.

[bewitched]

Wouldn't that be wonderful?:beer:


From your lips to gods ears - please I cant stand the thought of no justice for that sweet baby

Dawn

[EGirl]

I've confused the months myself before! :hat:

Oh. me too! lol When I first read it I was thinking, "hey, that's a good theory". Then realized that couldn't be.


This case is driving me batty

[margaritaville]

Or just the plain fact that she wanted her life back??? Being a mom at 22 and not being able to do whatever you want, whenever you want and with whomever you want, must be tough. Especially for a party mama like Casey....

ETA: Sorry, I guess this is pretty much what bewitched meant in the first place...

I don't know i did it. But my circumstances were different!

I am not blaming Casey's friends when I say this but......

I think if Casey hadn't met Tony and started hanging at the nightclubs, doing drugs, ect. this wouldn't have happened. I think she got into a lifestyle she had never seen before and really enjoyed it.
And I think she got "Peterson" disease and started thinking her life would be a lot better w/o her daughter. She could come and go (like her new friends) whenever she wanted. I believe Casey killed Caylee on purpose to have this new lifestyle.

moo

[GIGI4256]

I noticed that Caylee looks a lot like Cindy. How frustrating it must have been for a Narcissist like Casey to have a little 'mini mom' to deal with.

I agree, Caylee does favor Cindy.

[barskin&co.]

Oh Boy Baez says he believes Caylee is "absolutely" alive and there is not one shred of evidence that Casey hurt her.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/26900676#26900676

And Mark Geragos still believes that Laci Peterson was abducted by homeless satanists in a tan van. And Elliot Weinstein still believes that Rachel Entwistle killed herself and her baby, Lillian, then Neil Entwistle ran away to save her reputation.

It's defense attorney crazy talk, people.

[callmetree]

Oh Boy Baez says he believes Caylee is "absolutely" alive and there is not one shred of evidence that Casey hurt her.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/26900676#26900676

i understand this man is doing his job but wouldn't you just like to slap the smirk off his face? also is casey still going to his office everyday?

[num1barb]

"triple checking" sounds like they want to wipe "reasonable doubt" clean off the plate. I hope this happens within the next few weeks as described in the article, I have a lot of work piling up....

LOL on the work piling up. Me too.
Maybe princesspantsonfire will get arrested tonight! I doubt it, but hey, a girl can dream :)

[SavannahStar]

I agree with most of what you say, but I think Lee is getting a bad shake in all this, all these interviews we are hearing happened right after this all went down, I mean can you imagine something like this happening in your life, sure he knew his sister was crazy and a thief, but who would have imagined it would have blown up like this. I dont think Lee is acting abnormally at all considering the unbelievable situation of it all. moo

I don't think he is either, not at all. But it's so easy for us on the outside to sit back and dissect every word he says, every "absolutely" and every "chuckle" etc.

[crymeariver2006]

When sources say "IRON-CLAD PROOF" that is enough for me to know that more serious charges are coming down for the OC.

According to other sources, lab tests have been ongoing as recently as this week to "triple check" that evidence. Investigators said they're confident those tests will provide "iron-clad proof" that Caylee's body was in the trunk of the car, how her body was positioned and that strands of her hair fell out after she died.

Investigators have also confirmed that high levels of chloroform were in the trunk, and they said they're close to determining the dates someone researched chloroform on Anthony's computer before Caylee disappeared.

One investigator said there's still a critical element missing: a definite motive and criminal intent for why Caylee's body got in the trunk.

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/17563488/detail.html


"how her body was positioned"

That's about as heartbreaking as it gets.

:(

[EGirl]

Sorry got my dates wrong. :(
Too many now.


:seeya: Don't worry about it... we all have done it. It was a good theory and I hope you keep postin them. Makes me think!

[marshmallow]

Only thing is......she was already in bed with him, right? Why would she get up and take Caylee to an empty house "because she wanted to spend the night with a guy"? She AND Caylee were already there. Caylee wasn't "in the way." :confused: So that theory doesn't ring true for me at all.



I think Cindy might've called or texted Casey and told her to get Caylee home now and she got up and did. I bet it ate at her.

And that's part of why I think she might've lost her temper with Caylee and lashed out at her the night Caylee disappeared. If she did slam out of the house with Caylee she would've been on the edge. Casey doesn't seem the calm type. Imagine seeing Amy that night with Cindy, all her lies thrown in her face, the humiliation of being dragged home from Tony's by her Mother, the pressure from Cindy who wasnt backing down like she usually did. I bet there was a bit of yelling between them. I can see her taking the child and saying something like "you'll never see her again" and roaring off. She might've snapped at a cranky or noisy toddler and somehow caused her death. I can see her trying to hide what she did and even lie like she has. I don't know if anyone will ever find out what really happened tohugh. Only two people know and one of them is missing.

[joint-heir]

Interview with Lee was on July 29....Not right after it happened, right?

[trich]

Good morning everyone. :-) Nice to see you and today is the day that supposedly we get Cindy's two hour interview. Now that should be something. :rolleyes:

I look for Tim back next week or this weekend from what he said in his interview. Let's hope that things move along quickly.

A question I'm having rumble around in my brain and it's not going anywhere other than in circles. Ricardo said in his interview that Casey stayed with him and she got up in the middle of the night and took Caylee to her parents (never happened) and came back and got into bed. Ricardo said it was after June 9 but before July 1 and that's all he could pin it down to. This to me is a really important fact. We know she didn't take her home to Cindy, so where did she take her in the middle of the night? I think somehow they need to nail that down time-wise if they haven't already. MOO


That is so strange....since aparrantly no one has come forward to say Casey brought Caylee to them in the middle of the night....
If and I say if she did not take the child to Cindy...what in the world did she do with her?
I hope they have a timeline between June9 and June 15 when we all know she was with Cindy at the nursing home.

[margaritaville]

Oh Boy Baez says he believes Caylee is "absolutely" alive and there is not one shred of evidence that Casey hurt her.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/26900676#26900676


then who was releasing decomp juice in her trunk?

How does he explain that??

[MyrDawn]

Only thing is......she was already in bed with him, right? Why would she get up and take Caylee to an empty house "because she wanted to spend the night with a guy"? She AND Caylee were already there. Caylee wasn't "in the way." :confused: So that theory doesn't ring true for me at all.

Doesn't ring true to me either. It's as phony as the proverbial $3 bill, IMO.

[babblefishie]

ITA....

And isn't it funny that they crawled up under the hood but the smell is in the trunk??

NEVER thought of that. All of this testimony is so encouraging. The fact that Casey was actively trying to explain stink ties her to that smell. The fact that she told Lee maybe she was a "spiteful b****" lends support to murder theories. IF the DNA is reliable... she's going down.

Motive is certainly there! But no dead squirrels....

[SandyO]

Oh Boy Baez says he believes Caylee is "absolutely" alive and there is not one shred of evidence that Casey hurt her.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/26900676#26900676

I have developed the strongest dislike for defense attorneys in general, especially this slimy lawyer. (They are repugnant creatures, UNTIL you need one, I've heard!)

[trt]

:confused: I never said the police lie.

Sorry, I went back and read your post and you were saying that everyone that doesn't believe the chloroform evidence HAVEN'T said that police lie. Sorry...only one cup of coffee so far!

[SavannahStar]

I agree that motive is not a problem to determine, but "criminal intent" is another thing. Whatever happened to Caylee may not have been intentional, but caused by carelessness, recklessness, negligence. The criminal part comes in with the cover-up at this point.


Well stated! (bolding mine)

[barskin&co.]

I don't know i did it. But my circumstances were different!

I am not blaming Casey's friends when I say this but......

I think if Casey hadn't met Tony and started hanging at the nightclubs, doing drugs, ect. this wouldn't have happened. I think she got into a lifestyle she had never seen before and really enjoyed it.
And I think she got "Peterson" disease and started thinking her life would be a lot better w/o her daughter. She could come and go (like her new friends) whenever she wanted. I believe Casey killed Caylee on purpose to have this new lifestyle.

moo

I don't agree. She only knew Tony for a few weeks. I think what happened with her had been percolating for years and came to a head when she was confronted with her major larceny- the embezzlement of her GGFs assisted living funds. Cindy probably gave it to her with the big guns on what an irresponsible person and bad mother she was. That, I believed caused the explosion.

[kakax]

sorry i left out on that link, LE triple checked the evidence, they know what position she was laying in the trunk, will arrest her in weeks for the dissapearance of her daughter
http://http://www.wesh.com/video/17561343/index.html

Well, as sad as I am, I am thankful that there WILL be an arrest for her disappearance.

Casey will be in jail soon, with no bond, for a very, very long time.

[SavannahStar]

Sorry, I went back and read your post and you were saying that everyone that doesn't believe the chloroform evidence HAVEN'T said that police lie. Sorry...only one cup of coffee so far!


Hey, not a problem! :seeya: (as I drink more coffee myself!)

[BANJO GRANNY]

Regarding the chloroform: if there were high levels at the time the car was discovered, it would indicate to me that it was used either trying to destroy evidence or mask the odor. It was likely in the fabric of the trunk. I think if it had been used on Caylee, there wouldn't still be the residual odor from it.

I agree

:rose:For Baby Caylee

[OneUp]

That explanation doesn't make a bit of sense to me. :)I don't know diddley about computer forensics...So I'm asking, is it possible that some areas of the harddrive are more "damaged" by whatever was done/happened to it? My daughter keeps telling my there are places on the net that you can purposely download viruses from onto your computer JUST for the purpose of destroying it...like for a criminal or to use as revenge on a cheating Boyfriend...:eek:...again, I just don't know! Does anyone know if that is true?
If it is...that may explain why some information is slow in the retrieval. It also occurs to me that the computer forensics lab may be just like other labs. They may have a backlog of work too and be progressively working on the computer as time allows...maybe the things heard of first were the obvious retrievals like just dropped in the trashcan when deleted or available in cyber space somehow.
Thanks for hearing our my theorizing that isn't based on zippy skippy knowledge!
JMO.

[MyrDawn]

3 in a bed is awkward.... 2 in a bed is better. I am sure that Casey had something else in mind and the presence of her daughter was a deterant. Maybe she did not realize that he was such a heavy sleeper! LOL He never woke up to take advantage of the situation!:cool:

If she had "something else" in mind and went so far as to get up in the middle of the night to take Caylee to her parents house, why didn't she wake HIM when she got back, if he was so sound asleep?

[crymeariver2006]

I agree that motive is not a problem to determine, but "criminal intent" is another thing. Whatever happened to Caylee may not have been intentional, but caused by carelessness, recklessness, negligence. The criminal part comes in with the cover-up at this point.

The police have, and continue to do so, given Baez and Casey EVERY opportunity to pony up an "accident".

It will be interesting to see what the defense is actually going to be:

1) Absolutely 100% not guilty, child is still alive;

2) Accident and panic, thereby admitting little Caylee was indeed in the trunk of the car after all the denials and BS about test results.

3) One of the "friends" did it, again admitting that Caylee was indeed dead.

[bballgrl]

THERE IS A MISSING CHILD he should be feeling something other than a head rush that he had about how he could get info from casey. in my area when a little 5 year old coulnt be found for a few hours after school, we all went looking for him and i can remember feeling shock and great concern..nothing was funny..just very serious in our efforts. he was later found at a friends house...so ended well. but the point is...when you know a child is missing...you get a terrible feeling even if its not your child, and to even think...that smell could be a person..should be a very sobering experience.

My son wandered away from me in Walmart once. They called a "Code Adam" and everyone was so nice about it... but I did not WAIT to tell everyone that would listen that he was missing. I had this very SICK feeling in my stomach and I could barely breathe. He was missing for all of 5 MINUTES and I almost broke down right then and there. If he was missing for 5 days, I would not have been able to EAT for the entire time. I would have been out pounding the pavement, handing out fliers, calling everyone I knew... not sitting at home with a trailer in front of my home that only my neighbors could see.

But that is just me.... :rose:

[SavannahStar]

Interview with Lee was on July 29....Not right after it happened, right?


Thank you! I asked that last night and didn't get an answer, I don't think.

[MyrDawn]

Me too Me Too!
(not)

:seeya: Hey Good Morning! Well thanks to the audio I didnt get a full nights sleep; am telling ya all it's really getting to me.
Orlando site sz docs to be released, at 10am but nothing yet on their site.
Dots

Thanks, Dots!

They say it's going to include an interview with Cindy! :D

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7494099&version=26&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[trt]

Me too Me Too!
(not)

:seeya: Hey Good Morning! Well thanks to the audio I didnt get a full nights sleep; am telling ya all it's really getting to me.
Orlando site sz docs to be released, at 10am but nothing yet on their site.
Dots

Yeah, I couldn't get past Lee's audio yesterday. I'll try to listen to the others today...I must say, I was giving Lee the benefit of the doubt on the transcripts with the laughs and chuckles, but actually hearing him laugh about the smell and how his dad drove home with the smell, he laughed and sustained the laugh(it wasn't just a chuckle, he was tickled about his dad driving home with the smell of what appears to be his dead niece in the back of the trunk)...one nervous chuckle...ok fine. A full out laugh about the smell that he could only endure for a few minutes is disgusting. IMO.

[bballgrl]

If she had "something else" in mind and went so far as to get up in the middle of the night to take Caylee to her parents house, why didn't she wake HIM when she got back, if he was so sound asleep?

I don't know... she is a crazy lady... who knows what she was thinking? ;)

[babblefishie]

I don't agree. She only knew Tony for a few weeks. I think what happened with her had been percolating for years and came to a head when she was confronted with her major larceny- the embezzlement of her GGFs assisted living funds. Cindy probably gave it to her with the big guns on what an irresponsible person and bad mother she was. That, I believed caused the explosion.

Here, Here
:beer:

[OneUp]

Motive - wouldnt the motive be that she wanted to party and not have the responisbility of raising a child - I think the motive is very clear

DawnI'm with Regina in thinking the sticky point isn't really motive...they have no burden to prove motive. I think they are looking for evidence to shore up criminal intent before laying the charges. To find Caylee's remains would certainly give some clues to help determine if this was a reactive thing done in the moment or a coldly planned out homicide...or even an accident.
I'm not certain WHAT in particular they could be looking for to prove criminal intent however...maybe the cooperation of someone who was a witness to something or an acessory after the fact?...maybe an acessory to the disposal?
JMO.

[num1barb]

If she had "something else" in mind and went so far as to get up in the middle of the night to take Caylee to her parents house, why didn't she wake HIM when she got back, if he was so sound asleep?

Or just move Caylee out to the couch in the living room? :shrug:

[SavannahStar]

:lol: Why thank you SS, it's my goal to post nonsensical things for your reading pleasure.

Awwwwwwwwwww. :D

[MyrDawn]

I just listened to the Baez Today Show interview. WHAT on earth is with the word "absolutely" with these people? First casey, then Lee, now Baez.

I absolutely think they use that word absolutely too much!

[crymeariver2006]

I don't agree. She only knew Tony for a few weeks. I think what happened with her had been percolating for years and came to a head when she was confronted with her major larceny- the embezzlement of her GGFs assisted living funds. Cindy probably gave it to her with the big guns on what an irresponsible person and bad mother she was. That, I believed caused the explosion.

I think the "plan" was formulated around the time of Cindy's birthday, June 5th. This was when Casey was getting very "close" to Tony.

Brittney said last night on NG that Cindy had again brought up to Casey to just give custody of Caylee to her and that she (Casey) could continue to live her life and if she ever decided to settle down, she could return and get Caylee back (keeping in mind that is what Cindy told Brittney in the days after Caylee was first reported missing).

IMO, Cindy was threatening Casey for the better part of the last few months about taking Caylee away from her. Casey's motive starts to become clearer - "If I can't have her, no one will".

JMO

[MyrDawn]

Or just move Caylee out to the couch in the living room? :shrug:

Now, now...IMO, that would be far to sensible a thing for Casey to do!
:biggrin:

[Leanne Weich]

I agree with most of what you say, but I think Lee is getting a bad shake in all this, all these interviews we are hearing happened right after this all went down, I mean can you imagine something like this happening in your life, sure he knew his sister was crazy and a thief, but who would have imagined it would have blown up like this. I dont think Lee is acting abnormally at all considering the unbelievable situation of it all. moo

That's my thinking too. As for his laughing .. I laugh at the most inopportune times when something is serious ... like at my mom's funeral and when I was a young single mom and needed my job more than anything else in life and was fired, I just packed up laughing. Not even a discreet laugh but hysterical laughter.

[barskin&co.]

Thanks, Dots!

They say it's going to include an interview with Cindy! :D

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7494099&version=26&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Okay, who wants to bet she'll talk about not being able to eat and sleep?

[OneUp]

June 23, who was the brown haired guy the neighbor saw Casey with at Anthony's home backing into the garage?AFAIK, that guy was seen waiting out front iin a truck...not backed in. The backed in vehicle was casey's IMO.
I don't think anyone knows who he was ( LE may by now)...I have asked if anyone has a picture of William Waters...IMO, he might have been this person and run Casey by the house to P/U her things...or any other guy she knew may have done so too. doesn't have to indicate that the mystery date did anything nefarious...and that doesn't prove that Casey did/did not do anything at the house that time either...the whole episode is up in the air IMO.

[crymeariver2006]

I just listened to the Baez Today Show interview. WHAT on earth is with the word "absolutely" with these people? First casey, then Lee, now Baez.

It absolutely HAS to be those brownies!

:D

[kOOkie1]

..All I can say is this family is creepy..Hearing Lee on the audio he reminded me alot of the manner in which Casey speaks..ughhh (jmo)..interesting that one of the first things Cindy does upon getting Casey's things was to take the $$ out and put in her pocket..along with the "What did you do with her?" statement and the smell of the Car Cindy def. knew Caylee was gone..no doubt to me. I just wonder ..the way they lie...if the amount was $200 like Lee said or possibly more?..funny you have stolen money plus have cash in your wallet and gas cans yet you leave your car??? dont see how she is going to explain that one away....(jmo)

[barskin&co.]

I think the "plan" was formulated around the time of Cindy's birthday, June 5th. This was when Casey was getting very "close" to Tony.

Brittney said last night on NG that Cindy had again brought up to Casey to just give custody of Caylee to her and that she (Casey) could continue to live her life and if she ever decided to settle down, she could return and get Caylee back (keeping in mind that is what Cindy told Brittney in the days after Caylee was first reported missing).

IMO, Cindy was threatening Casey for the better part of the last few months about taking Caylee away from her. Casey's motive starts to become clearer - "If I can't have her, no one will".

JMO

Makes sense, cryme!

[MyrDawn]

Okay, who wants to bet she'll talk about not being able to eat and sleep?

:lol:
Count me out! When doesn't she say that?

[Regina.Lampert]

Me too Me Too!
(not)

:seeya: Hey Good Morning! Well thanks to the audio I didnt get a full nights sleep; am telling ya all it's really getting to me.
Orlando site sz docs to be released, at 10am but nothing yet on their site.
Dots

Hey Jen, I predict the release of the cindyspeak tape will send the board into a buzzsaw of activity. Buckle up! :tongue:

[babblefishie]

I think the "plan" was formulated around the time of Cindy's birthday, June 5th. This was when Casey was getting very "close" to Tony.

Brittney said last night on NG that Cindy had again brought up to Casey to just give custody of Caylee to her and that she (Casey) could continue to live her life and if she ever decided to settle down, she could return and get Caylee back (keeping in mind that is what Cindy told Brittney in the days after Caylee was first reported missing).

IMO, Cindy was threatening Casey for the better part of the last few months about taking Caylee away from her. Casey's motive starts to become clearer - "If I can't have her, no one will".

JMO

Yes, I can only imagine Casey's resentment towards Cindy AND Caylee was growing.

Casey must have been feeling like she was being replaced and once she gave over those ties to her daughter, why would they keep a liar and a thief under their roof any longer? As much as she wanted to go enjoy life out in the world, she had gotten very comfortable with her enabled do-nothing existance and now it was finally coming to a close.

She had failed. Caylee was chance number two to get things right and I agree... I think she may have done exactly that... "If I can't have her, no one will".

[barskin&co.]

It is rather odd, isn't it. It's like their own special language. I listened to Lee's interview last night, and he used it quite a bit -- along with that sinister laugh. I don't agree that it was a nervous laugh, because if you listen closely it made the investigator uncomfortable. There were times when the investigator had to interrup Lee's laughter to move on to the next question. I mean - how long was Lee going to keep laughing had he not been interrupted?

He's a weird bird, I tell ya!


I didn't think his laughter sounded nervous, either. It was really strange- so relaxed and hearty. That decomposition smell, hohohohoho!

[JudyBolton]

Now don't you think it's a little inappropriate to be laughing about dead squirrels? :biggrin:

Here's my question : Why TWO squirrels? Why not a squirrel? If this were true - it MIGHT be feasible that she ran over a squirrel and got yucky stuff splashed up in her engine - or an injured/dying squirrel *somehow* chose her car as its final resting place..... BUT TWO SQUIRRELS? Was this some weird "squirrel suicide pact"?????

[OneUp]

I dont unerstand this, when tone was in new york she used his car, but went to jessies place to take a shower..said tone was in new york and didnt have the keys to his apartment. am I missing something?I don't think so...???...In my younger days, it was pretty common ( stupid, but common) to loan your car out to friends, not so common to give them access to your home. I think he may have just felt bad for her not having a car...casey being a working mother and all! :rolleyes:
I'm sure she would NOT come right out and tell him she was homeless...she probably aluded to staying with friends and having fun while he was gone...that sounds "right" to me.
JMO.

[babblefishie]

I didn't think his laughter sounded nervous, either. It was really strange- so relaxed and hearty. That decomposition smell, hohohohoho!

Barskin I love how you word things. I HAVE the giggles now.

[shelbar53]

From what TonE said - they first were intimate on June 2nd, and by July 5th she was waking up with (what I call) night terrors and telling TonE she was worried about their relationship. It had been hardly a month of just partying and sex -- she was obviously lying to the guy -- since she had also slept with a cop (presumably) around the same time.

I do believe those night terrors had nothing to do with TonE -- but Caylee.

:(
I agree...the nite terrors were about caylee

[MyrDawn]

Morning Myr! Yep it's going to be rough on our ears. The proof will be in the pudding, then again we already think she is whacked so what will she bring to the table? I will be curious to see if she "goes there" about the pool issue and that Caylee had been climbing into it and they knew it was an issue.
I think it's safe to say that someone moved her little body around that backyard. She loved the playhouse, last night I was looking at some photos of her in the playhouse, with her little oven in the background and UGH tore at my heart. I dont know how the press or the media can keep this focused on the life of Caylee M Anthony with so many posers about.

:seeya:
Dots, I'd be willing to bet she "goes there" about the pool! I hope they don't keep us waiting too long to release them. I have errands to run in a bit and hope they're ready by the time I get home.

[Regina.Lampert]

I don't agree. She only knew Tony for a few weeks. I think what happened with her had been percolating for years and came to a head when she was confronted with her major larceny- the embezzlement of her GGFs assisted living funds. Cindy probably gave it to her with the big guns on what an irresponsible person and bad mother she was. That, I believed caused the explosion.

Don't forget the report that while giving casey what for, she may have had her hands around her throat. If true, I wonder if that had any influence on what eventually happened to poor Caylee.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Morning Jenny! This case is getting to me as well. (hugs)
Where's Barskin and Rebbie?

You rang? :seeya: lol

Trying to wake up and just read the article about LE possibly arresting Casey within weeks. Interesting TES is going back down in 3 weeks and LE are planning an arrest in weeks. Me thinks Ckrdpast was right how this might play out with her arrest. Possibly.

[callmetree]

Here's my question : Why TWO squirrels? Why not a squirrel? If this were true - it MIGHT be feasible that she ran over a squirrel and got yucky stuff splashed up in her engine - or an injured/dying squirrel *somehow* chose her car as its final resting place..... BUT TWO SQUIRRELS? Was this some weird "squirrel suicide pact"?????

thanks for the laugh.:lol: i needed that one!

[penguinlady]

Here's my question : Why TWO squirrels? Why not a squirrel? If this were true - it MIGHT be feasible that she ran over a squirrel and got yucky stuff splashed up in her engine - or an injured/dying squirrel *somehow* chose her car as its final resting place..... BUT TWO SQUIRRELS? Was this some weird "squirrel suicide pact"?????

Squirrel suicide pact...LOL!

Also..if she knew about the squirrels, why didn't she have daddy clean up the motor?? He loves to detail cars, right??

Is Cindy's interview on line where I can read it?? I am at work and can't listen.

TIA!
K

[BANJO GRANNY]

i understand this man is doing his job but wouldn't you just like to slap the smirk off his face? also is casey still going to his office everyday?

I agree, but I would like to do more than just slap the fire out of all of them:flamemad::flamemad:


:rose:For Baby Caylee

[nutterbutter]

Good Morning.


Please light a Candle for Caylee

Click any unlit candle to begin.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:
Thank you for new thread and candle link desmom.

[day2day]

It absolutely HAS to be those brownies!

:D

Absolutely!! Mornin friends! :seeya:

[joint-heir]

Ok, brown haired guy was in a truck outside waiting for Casey?

[MyrDawn]

It is rather odd, isn't it. It's like their own special language. I listened to Lee's interview last night, and he used it quite a bit -- along with that sinister laugh. I don't agree that it was a nervous laugh, because if you listen closely it made the investigator uncomfortable. There were times when the investigator had to interrup Lee's laughter to move on to the next question. I mean - how long was Lee going to keep laughing had he not been interrupted?

He's a weird bird, I tell ya!

I don't think Lee sounded like it was nervous laughter, either. He sounded like he actually thought things were funny. I can't imagine what he found funny in the smell of his dead niece. :no:
JMO

[crymeariver2006]

I didn't think his laughter sounded nervous, either. It was really strange- so relaxed and hearty. That decomposition smell, hohohohoho!

Like George was just the butt of some big joke.

(Aren't there MS and FB postings along that line?)

[Rebel Rouzer]

thanks for the laugh.:lol: i needed that one!

LOL there went my coffee. :lol:

[TwinMommie]

Here's my question : Why TWO squirrels? Why not a squirrel? If this were true - it MIGHT be feasible that she ran over a squirrel and got yucky stuff splashed up in her engine - or an injured/dying squirrel *somehow* chose her car as its final resting place..... BUT TWO SQUIRRELS? Was this some weird "squirrel suicide pact"?????

Ha-Ha! But what I found interesting was in Lee's interview he said 2 DEAD squirrels crawled up in there. I haven't seen many dead squirrels crawl anywhere.

[barskin&co.]

Here's my question : Why TWO squirrels? Why not a squirrel? If this were true - it MIGHT be feasible that she ran over a squirrel and got yucky stuff splashed up in her engine - or an injured/dying squirrel *somehow* chose her car as its final resting place..... BUT TWO SQUIRRELS? Was this some weird "squirrel suicide pact"?????

What? You've never heard of those double squirrel suicides?

Actually, I think it's typical of the fanicful embellishments she puts on everything. Like not just Zenaida BlahBlah, but Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah.

[Regina.Lampert]

I absolutely think they use that word absolutely too much!

All I know is the entire anthony clan has reduced my usage of the word absolutely to the much more humble word "yep!"...............:mad:

[dixielover]

Here's my question : Why TWO squirrels? Why not a squirrel? If this were true - it MIGHT be feasible that she ran over a squirrel and got yucky stuff splashed up in her engine - or an injured/dying squirrel *somehow* chose her car as its final resting place..... BUT TWO SQUIRRELS? Was this some weird "squirrel suicide pact"?????

I find this so interesting because everything the Anthony's say is so detailed- 31 day, 2 squirrels, grey stripped pants, pizza in car for 12? days

I can't ever remember detail like jmo

Obvious by my last sentence :lol::lol:

[impartial]

I'm with Regina in thinking the sticky point isn't really motive...they have no burden to prove motive. I think they are looking for evidence to shore up criminal intent before laying the charges. To find Caylee's remains would certainly give some clues to help determine if this was a reactive thing done in the moment or a coldly planned out homicide...or even an accident.
I'm not certain WHAT in particular they could be looking for to prove criminal intent however...maybe the cooperation of someone who was a witness to something or an acessory after the fact?...maybe an acessory to the disposal?
JMO.


You make a good point about what in particular could they be looking for to prove criminal intent without a cause of death.

Everyone they have interviewed doesn't believe Casey would intentionally harm Caylee. So where do they go from there? I suppose they could try to hang their hats on the chloroform, and the searches on the computer. Depending on when those searches occurred, there are ways to combat the searches: The chloroform "ad" by her friend on his/her myspace ... she could have clicked on the ad, not understood what the joke was, and did chloroform searches to understand it. And since it's Cindy's laptop, who performed the searches ... Cindy or Casey.

Personally, if there are significant amounts of chloroform in the trunk, since chloroform evaporates twice as fast as fingernail polish; it makes more sense that a cleaning agent with chloroform, or chloroform in its pure state, was used to get the stench out of the car or to clean the trunk for whatever reason.

IMO

[bballgrl]

About LA's laughing.... I am not sure what I think about his part in all of this but I do think that a part of him enjoyed being wrapped up in all the police/detective work drama. To me he sounded like he was on kind of a "high" from it.

Did you ever know someone who gets all excited when fire trucks come in the neighborhood? They forget that someone's life could be in the balance and get wrapped up in the excitement.


Just my dog! LOL:chicken:

[kitty1182]

I find this so interesting because everything the Anthony's say is so detailed- 31 day, 2 squirrels, grey stripped pants, pizza in car for 12? days

I can't every remember detail like jmo

Don't forget the "script" for 30 days:lol:

[OneUp]

Oh Boy Baez says he believes Caylee is "absolutely" alive and there is not one shred of evidence that Casey hurt her.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/26900676#26900676Baez sure likes that word "absolutely" now, doesn't he?...that is a term used to convey confidence in ones statements...and used purposefully here IMO.
I think he plans to suggest that the Grandparents are to blame...I really get the feeling he plans to "bombshell" that theory when things go to trial and Casey no longer needs a place to stay. It will then, IMO, be time to throw the grandparents under the bus.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I've been right far more often...
JMO.

[SandyO]

The police have, and continue to do so, given Baez and Casey EVERY opportunity to pony up an "accident".

It will be interesting to see what the defense is actually going to be:

1) Absolutely 100% not guilty, child is still alive;

2) Accident and panic, thereby admitting little Caylee was indeed in the trunk of the car after all the denials and BS about test results.

3) One of the "friends" did it, again admitting that Caylee was indeed dead.

I'm leaning toward the "accidental" side, although there are different kinds of accidents too ---- some that just happen innocently and some which are caused by carelessness, negligence. I feel certain that even if Caylee's death was accidental, Casey could not imagine facing Cindy with having let that happen. I can also imagine Casey being in a momentary rage, and Caylee the recipient of that rage.

[need2no]

I think the "plan" was formulated around the time of Cindy's birthday, June 5th. This was when Casey was getting very "close" to Tony.

Brittney said last night on NG that Cindy had again brought up to Casey to just give custody of Caylee to her and that she (Casey) could continue to live her life and if she ever decided to settle down, she could return and get Caylee back (keeping in mind that is what Cindy told Brittney in the days after Caylee was first reported missing).

IMO, Cindy was threatening Casey for the better part of the last few months about taking Caylee away from her. Casey's motive starts to become clearer - "If I can't have her, no one will".
JMO


I think it was more like: "I'll get even with you, you B...Caylee is MY daughter, you renigged on the agreement you made when you insisted I have this baby. You've controlled everything and everybody in this d*mn house, but I can and will control Caylee's life, and YOU WILL NEVER SEE HER AGAIN! Revenge is sweet, I get the last word Mom!"

[Rebel Rouzer]

Ack so I may not sleep for three more weeks???? :cuss:

Where is the release of the audio, they said 10am and now nothing. Guess they are writing up the article (taps foot)

I'm waiting for the new releases as well. Don't know when they will be up.

[trt]

OK...I also couldn't get a good night's sleep last night thinking about Caylee and some things that really are sticking out for me right now are:

1) Lee's account of Casey saying that she is a *spiteful b*tch* lets me know that she was serious about that and not just saying it for Cindy's benefit to try and be antagonistic. Otherwise she would have yelled it out the room (I think that's why the cop asked the question the way he did) to be sure Cindy could hear. The way he describes her saying it is very cold, unfelling and matter of factly.

2) I think Casey remembers June 9th as Caylee's disappearance date because that is when she decided to do what she did. I think that the forensics on her computer will show that June 9th and around that time is when she did the chloroform searches on her computer.

3) I'm not sure how to feel about Lee...I think he tried to cover tracks in some of his answers, but wanted to be as truthful as possible to appear credible.

4) Lee's laugh on tape really messed me up last night and I shed tears for Caylee again...here is a smell in the car that is likely his niece (since he says he doesn't believe her squirrel story) and he is LAUGHING about it...I started thinking about that and I just had to pray for justice for Caylee...no one is taking this seriously in her family it seems...it's a big game.

[bballgrl]

I find this so interesting because everything the Anthony's say is so detailed- 31 day, 2 squirrels, grey stripped pants, pizza in car for 12? days

I can't ever remember detail like jmo

Obvious by my last sentence :lol::lol:

Not to mention the details GA gave when explaining how to do the "dead" pizza experiment! :rolleyes:

[JudyBolton]

What? You've never heard of those double squirrel suicides?

Actually, I think it's typical of the fanicful embellishments she puts on everything. Like not just Zenaida BlahBlah, but Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah.

I totally agree - I was being humorous about the 2 squirrels but also making a point..... I believe this is typical of pathological liars. They believe more detail = a more believable story - so instead of just stating a simple fact - they go into tons of weird (in their mind complicated) details that somehow adds credibility to their lies. Can't wait for this trial and to hear expert psychologists discuss her.....and the entire family for that matter.

[MyrDawn]

I find this so interesting because everything the Anthony's say is so detailed- 31 day, 2 squirrels, grey stripped pants, pizza in car for 12? days

I can't ever remember detail like jmo

Obvious by my last sentence :lol::lol:

I never really paid much attention to that before, but you're right! So much detail...and at the strangest time. When I'm under stress, the last thing I can do is concentrate my thinking enough to give so much detail. If my child or grandchild was missing, I'd be doing good to remember what year it is. JMO

[bballgrl]

He said that word 22 times!


OMG - You counted???
:lol:

[shelbar53]

You make a good point about what in particular could they be looking for to prove criminal intent without a cause of death.

Everyone they have interviewed doesn't believe Casey would intentionally harm Caylee. So where do they go from there? I suppose they could try to hang their hats on the chloroform, and the searches on the computer. Depending on when those searches occurred, there are ways to combat the searches: The chloroform "ad" by her friend on his/her myspace ... she could have clicked on the ad, not understood what the joke was, and did chloroform searches to understand it. And since it's Cindy's laptop, who performed the searches ... Cindy or Casey.

Personally, if there are significant amounts of chloroform in the trunk, since chloroform evaporates twice as fast as fingernail polish; it makes more sense that a cleaning agent with chloroform, or chloroform in its pure state, was used to get the stench out of the car or to clean the trunk for whatever reason.

IMO
If chloroform was used to get the stench out of the car, then they need to get their money back

[SavannahStar]

I don't think Lee sounded like it was nervous laughter, either. He sounded like he actually thought things were funny. I can't imagine what he found funny in the smell of his dead niece. :no:
JMO


And that is EXACTLY why I think it was "nervous laughter" as opposed to true ha-ha type laughter. If you (or anyone) doesn't believe that, are you saying you believe he literally finds the smell of his dead niece funny???? I don't get that at all. :confused:

[margaritaville]

Here's my question : Why TWO squirrels? Why not a squirrel? If this were true - it MIGHT be feasible that she ran over a squirrel and got yucky stuff splashed up in her engine - or an injured/dying squirrel *somehow* chose her car as its final resting place..... BUT TWO SQUIRRELS? Was this some weird "squirrel suicide pact"?????



ITA...lol
But not only were they suicide squirrels, they were Houdini-suicide squirrels. They magically got their stink "inside" the trunk...

[OneUp]

Exactly. The new video and article from WESH leads me to believe that Caylee wasn't even wrapped in anthing or in a plastic bag even, since her hair was found and also that mystery stain. Seems LE knows exactly how she was positioned in the trunk.

I don't think evidence of her positioning rules out her being wrapped...but if she wasn't, that adds to the depravity and carelessness of her mother IMO.
She may have been wrapped in something such as a blanket that could readily transfer liquid by seepage(ew!...too nasty to talk about), OR if the remains were in something like trashbags and leaked, the decomp. fluid may have pooled around the body.
That is enough talk of the specifics of the remains for me right now...I am making my self upset and ill.
JMO.

[MyrDawn]

Baez sure likes that word "absolutely" now, doesn't he?...that is a term used to convey confidence in ones statements...and used purposefully here IMO.
I think he plans to suggest that the Grandparents are to blame...I really get the feeling he plans to "bombshell" that theory when things go to trial and Casey no longer needs a place to stay. It will then, IMO, be time to throw the grandparents under the bus.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I've been right far more often...
JMO.

I was wondering a while ago if Baez would try to throw the GP's under the bus, but how would he explain Casey's willingness to stay with her child's killers while she's out on bond?

ACK...nevermind. I just thought of an explaination...she's willing to stay with them so she can evesdrop and gather "evidence" against them. :D

JMO