Friday9/26 Morning Thread/Day 102

[trt]

I agree...the nite terrors were about caylee

I'm thinking they were more about Casey...as in what would happen to CASEY if it were found out what she did to CAYLEE. I don't think she cared about Caylee enough to have nightmares of what she did to her(Caylee). JMO

[day2day]

I never really paid much attention to that before, but you're right! So much detail...and at the strangest time. When I'm under stress, the last thing I can do is concentrate my thinking enough to give so much detail. If my child or grandchild was missing, I'd be doing good to remember what year it is. JMO

Thats what bothers me. Many of the questions asked could have had a yes/no answer. But that wasnt enough for him. He had to go on and on an onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!! If one of my nephews vanished i would be lucky to get out the yes or no.

jmo

[Rebel Rouzer]

This is from the link above and I found it to be quite interesting. because it tells be the stain in that car was extremely imortant in determining this along with where the hair lay in the trunk.

"Investigators said they're confident those tests will provide "iron-clad proof" that Caylee's body was in the trunk of the car, how her body was positioned and that strands of her hair fell out after she died."

[impartial]

If chloroform was used to get the stench out of the car, then they need to get their money back


The Anthony's indicated the odor was horrendous.

Is there a statement by any of LE indicating they smelled the odor?

IMO

[Regina.Lampert]

You make a good point about what in particular could they be looking for to prove criminal intent without a cause of death.

Everyone they have interviewed doesn't believe Casey would intentionally harm Caylee. So where do they go from there? I suppose they could try to hang their hats on the chloroform, and the searches on the computer. Depending on when those searches occurred, there are ways to combat the searches: The chloroform "ad" by her friend on his/her myspace ... she could have clicked on the ad, not understood what the joke was, and did chloroform searches to understand it. And since it's Cindy's laptop, who performed the searches ... Cindy or Casey.

Personally, if there are significant amounts of chloroform in the trunk, since chloroform evaporates twice as fast as fingernail polish; it makes more sense that a cleaning agent with chloroform, or chloroform in its pure state, was used to get the stench out of the car or to clean the trunk for whatever reason.

IMO


Oh good, I see someone has unleashed our lawyers.......lol.

Impartial, could you list for us all the levels or degrees of homicide?

I know of reckess, what are the others. Thanks.

:seeya:

[day2day]

9:30 a.m. The Orlando Sentinel has received hundreds of pages of legal documents related to the Casey Anthony case today.

The documents, including several CDs, are being released by the State Attorney's Office in response to a public records request.


Audio interviews of Casey Anthony's brother, boyfriend released The CDs show images from Anthony's Photobucket photo-sharing Web site, as well as photos from a file titled, "Anything But Clothes Party." Another CD includes a July interview with Cindy Anthony, the grandmother of missing Caylee Marie.

The documents also include a computer forensic report and multiple cell phone records.

Check back for more information.http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-caylee-documents-092608,0,6419224.story

[Regina.Lampert]

The Anthony's indicated the odor was horrendous.

Is there a statement by any of LE indicating they smelled the odor?

IMO

During the bond hearing Yuri Melich described the odor as that of decomposition.

[bballgrl]

The Anthony's indicated the odor was horrendous.

Is there a statement by any of LE indicating they smelled the odor?

IMO

Yes, didn't Yuri Melich say that in court? Something about the unmistakable smell of decomposition?

[Elle]

I am wondering what Baez has up his sleeve now that I saw him on the Today show this morning.

He responded when asked about how Casey could be out partying when her child was missing. He said something like --you are assuming that everything wasn't okay during that time.---

I think they are going to say something like...... Casey gave caylee to Zanny to live with her for a while first THEN Zanny kidnapped her. This is all fabricated of course to explain the partying pictures and reports from friends that nothing seemed wrong.

I am beginning to feel physically ill whenever I hear Baez spinning.. errrr....talking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL1_tsrCOy8

He also said this when he spoke outside of the Anthony home the night they dragged Casey's sorry behind out in handcuffs on August 29th. Baez says we are assuming Casey is not talking, and that weare assuming that she does not know where Caylee is.(around 4 minutes 7ish seconds into the video)

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092408baezsheriffletters/indexGallery.htm

Yet he responds in his letter back to Sgt. Allen dated September 22nd, for them to call him when they are more interested in searching for Caylee.
imo, moo

[num1barb]

The Anthony's indicated the odor was horrendous.

Is there a statement by any of LE indicating they smelled the odor?

IMO

Yes, IIRC the investigating officers testified about it at the bond hearing

[MyrDawn]

And that is EXACTLY why I think it was "nervous laughter" as opposed to true ha-ha type laughter. If you (or anyone) doesn't believe that, are you saying you believe he literally finds the smell of his dead niece funny???? I don't get that at all. :confused:

I think he was laughing at George's reaction to the smell, not the smell itself.

To me, nervous laughter is more like a short giggle...IMO, Lee laughed entirely too often and too long for it to sound like nervous laughter. It just sounded strange, so strange.

[barskin&co.]

I think it was more like: "I'll get even with you, you B...Caylee is MY daughter, you renigged on the agreement you made when you insisted I have this baby. You've controlled everything and everybody in this d*mn house, but I can and will control Caylee's life, and YOU WILL NEVER SEE HER AGAIN! Revenge is sweet, I get the last word Mom!"

Ahhhh. I thought cryme made sense, but I still didn't know about the "if I can't have her" part. Now, that sounds like Casey. Remember, she was 19 years old, just ready to make her escape, when Caylee came along and tied her down to living at home more than ever. Think of the resentments that brewed, especially as Cindy treated Caylee like the golden child that Casey never was. I wonder if Casey had her own play house with a telephone and a kitchen, like Caylee was given? Killing Caylee- what a way to get back at Cindy!

[SavannahStar]

You make a good point about what in particular could they be looking for to prove criminal intent without a cause of death.

Everyone they have interviewed doesn't believe Casey would intentionally harm Caylee. So where do they go from there? I suppose they could try to hang their hats on the chloroform, and the searches on the computer. Depending on when those searches occurred, there are ways to combat the searches: The chloroform "ad" by her friend on his/her myspace ... she could have clicked on the ad, not understood what the joke was, and did chloroform searches to understand it. And since it's Cindy's laptop, who performed the searches ... Cindy or Casey.

Personally, if there are significant amounts of chloroform in the trunk, since chloroform evaporates twice as fast as fingernail polish; it makes more sense that a cleaning agent with chloroform, or chloroform in its pure state, was used to get the stench out of the car or to clean the trunk for whatever reason.

IMO


I read this post before I saw who wrote it....EXCELLENT thoughts, as always, impartial. :beer:

[Regina.Lampert]

I don't think evidence of her positioning rules out her being wrapped...but if she wasn't, that adds to the depravity and carelessness of her mother IMO.
She may have been wrapped in something such as a blanket that could readily transfer liquid by seepage(ew!...too nasty to talk about), OR if the remains were in something like trashbags and leaked, the decomp. fluid may have pooled around the body.
That is enough talk of the specifics of the remains for me right now...I am making my self upset and ill.
JMO.


Those are good points and yes, any talk of that little one in the trunk of that car is very upsetting.

I wonder if her hair was caught on anything in the trunk, hence LE's knowing Caylee's position in the trunk.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I hate to say it but I hope TES does not go back and waste their precious resources on this case. I just think it will be fruitless.


I don't agree. I think LE has a pretty good idea what area she would be in. Just hope all the water is gone most of the way by then.

[trt]

I think he was laughing at of George's reaction to the smell, not the smell itself.

To me, nervous laughter is more like a short giggle...IMO, Lee laughed entirely too often and too long for it to sound like nervous laughter. It just sounded strange, so strange.

He was making a joke about it, almost like laughing imagining his dad's head outside of th window as he's driving the car home. I don't see how that visual (again, knowing what the odor is likely) could make him laugh. JMO

[hamebone]

I don't agree. She only knew Tony for a few weeks. I think what happened with her had been percolating for years and came to a head when she was confronted with her major larceny- the embezzlement of her GGFs assisted living funds. Cindy probably gave it to her with the big guns on what an irresponsible person and bad mother she was. That, I believed caused the explosion.

I agree, I think Caylee was gone by no later then June 16th.

She met Tony May 24th for the first time at a party. June 1st is the first time they slept together and I guess became girlfriend/boyfriend. I dont think he was the be all to end all in 16 days and some of that 16 days he wasnt even in Orlando.

She was already starting to line up another guy while Tone was in New York IMO.

[steffaroob4]

The documents also include a computer forensic report and multiple cell phone records (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-casey-anthony-caylee-documents-092608,0,7734507.story?track=rss)

I sure hope we find our when the chloroform searchs would made:read:

[Fallen Angel]

i'm watching MSNBC and they did an interview with JB and he said were all just ASSUMING caylee was missing in June and July........say what?

[Rebel Rouzer]

The Anthony's indicated the odor was horrendous.

Is there a statement by any of LE indicating they smelled the odor?

IMO

Yuri Mellich stated in his experience what he smelled was decomposition.

[barskin&co.]

Yes, didn't Yuri Melich say that in court? Something about the unmistakable smell of decomposition?

Yep. That is exactly what he said, and he was speaking from his years in the homicide division. He also said he believed "Caylee is no longer with us." :(

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7039465&version=1&locale=EN-US

[impartial]

Oh good, I see someone has unleashed our lawyers.......lol.

Impartial, could you list for us all the levels or degrees of homicide?

I know of reckess, what are the others. Thanks.

:seeya:


In a nutshell, without my coffee. ;)


Murder 1 ... premeditated; felony murder rule

Murder 2 ... homicide with malice, but without premeditation.

Voluntary Manslaughter ... unlawful and intentional killing of a human being, but without malice.

Involuntary Manslaugher ... unlawful killing of a human being without malice either express or implied, and without intent to kill or to inflict the injury causing death, committed accidentally in the commission of some unlawful act not felonious, or in the improper performance of an act lawful in itself.


IMO

[summer4meplz]

This is a posting check.....if you get banned, do you know it?

[Loves2Read]

She may have but I believe it was to an empty house.
I recall reading somewhere the A's were on vacation June 9th to 15th.
The closest I came to finding that info was on LKL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_J4VbGgk-0&feature=related

Cindy told Larry when they got back they found a registered letter. Since it was the weekend, they had to wait till Monday (June 16th) to get it

Let's presume Casey was at Ricardo's between June 9 to 15.

"IF" Casey did leave Ricardo's during the night, Casey may have taken Caylee to her parent's home, put Caylee in her bed and drove back to Ricardo's leaving Caylee alone.

Here's what's bothering me now.
Let's suppose that's what Casey did.
What if Caylee got up during the night?
What if Caylee got into the medicine cabinet or got a hold of something under the sink?
What if Casey came back in the morning and found Caylee dead?
Cindy already stated that their home was child proofed but Caylee was so smart, she managed to remove child proof knobs n such.

How is Casey going to explain to her parents she left Caylee alone so she could go back and spend the night with a guy?
We heard Casey say she was petrified of Cindy so I'm guessing panic set in, she avoided them for 30 days and the stories to explain away a missing Caylee began to surface.

I don't know if anyone else has addressed this yet, if so disregard,but you have the dates wrong.... JULY 15 was when they got the car, and it was a Tuesday. Just FYI.

[barskin&co.]

i'm watching MSNBC and they did an interview with JB and he said were all just ASSUMING caylee was missing in June and July........say what?

Who all were assuming....what???

[OneUp]

I don't think he is either, not at all. But it's so easy for us on the outside to sit back and dissect every word he says, every "absolutely" and every "chuckle" etc.It is only your OPINION that anything about this case is "easy" for other posters. Speaking for myself only, everything about this case has been gut wrenching. I have tried to hold out hope that at least one person in Caylee's life would put her first, that one of them would honor their relationship with her and work to bring her home...but time and again their actions tell me this is not so.
The circumstances of this case hit very close to home for me...and the denial and covering, and excusing are very familiar to me.
I have empathy, real empathy...not sympathy for the entire family except Casey. But that does not mean I cannot see their behavior for what it is. My sorrow for their loss doesn't buy them a single excuse from me...I HAVE been under the scrutiny and I haev had to come to terms with the unbelievable and the indescribable... IMO, some words and actions are just unacceptable and dishonor Caylee greatly. She deserves loyalty and the proection of her rights by her family even in death. I have seen little if any evidence of that.
JMO.
*I still pray for Caylee's family, I still hold out hope that one of them will "step up' for her. And I pray that they find the support they need to survive this and come out better people than they are now. The only one I consider a "loss" is Casey. I think only God can give her help or hope now.
JMO.

[day2day]

This is a posting check.....if you get banned, do you know it?

Oh yes. If you get banned you won't be able to post?! Sorry CW for going OT-just wanted to help !!

[Rebel Rouzer]

Who all were assuming....what???

I think Baez hit the snooze button again. lol

[bballgrl]

During the bond hearing Yuri Melich described the odor as that of decomposition.


Woo Hoo... I was RIGHT for once! :beer:

[day2day]

In a nutshell, without my coffee. ;)


Murder 1 ... premeditated; felony murder rule

Murder 2 ... homicide with malice, but without premeditation.

Voluntary Manslaughter ... unlawful and intentional killing of a human being, but without malice.

Involuntary Manslaugher ... unlawful killing of a human being without malice either express or implied, and without intent to kill or to inflict the injury causing death, committed accidentally in the commission of some unlawful act not felonious, or in the improper performance of an act lawful in itself.


IMO


Thank you Impartial!! You are our leagle eagle!!

[MyrDawn]

i'm watching MSNBC and they did an interview with JB and he said were all just ASSUMING caylee was missing in June and July........say what?

He's been spending too much time with Casey, and it's starting to rub off on him. Next thing ya know, he'll be jumping on a plane to Puerto Rico to search! :rolleyes:

JMO

[bballgrl]

This is a posting check.....if you get banned, do you know it?

Yup- You would KNOW it! :cool:

[frances1]

It is only your OPINION that anything about this case is "easy" for other posters. Speaking for myself only, everything about this case has been gut wrenching. I have tried to hold out hope that at least one person in Caylee's life would put her first, that one of them would honor their relationship with her and work to bring her home...but time and again their actions tell me this is not so.
The circumstances of this case hit very close to home for me...and the denial and covering, and excusing are very familiar to me.
I have empathy, real empathy...not sympathy for the entire family except Casey. But that does not mean I cannot see their behavior for what it is. My sorrow for their loss doesn't buy them a single excuse from me...I HAVE been under the scrutiny and I haev had to come to terms with the unbelievable and the indescribable... IMO, some words and actions are just unacceptable and dishonor Caylee greatly. She deserves loyalty and the proection of her rights by her family even in death. I have seen little if any evidence of that.
JMO.
*I still pray for Caylee's family, I still hold out hope that one of them will "step up' for her. And I pray that they find the support they need to survive this and come out better people than they are now. The only one I consider a "loss" is Casey. I think only God can give her help or hope now.
JMO.


Beautiful post, OneUp.

[Mairi II]

And that is EXACTLY why I think it was "nervous laughter" as opposed to true ha-ha type laughter. If you (or anyone) doesn't believe that, are you saying you believe he literally finds the smell of his dead niece funny???? I don't get that at all. :confused:

I agree with you. Of course he wouldn't be laughing if he connected the smell to his dead niece. I don't know why people want to believe that sort of nonsense. Same sort of deal when they talk of what a horrible life Caylee must've had.

[day2day]

I think Baez hit the snooze button again. lol

Its the brownies they are all so fond of. Baez really should turn this case over to someone else.
JMO

[tiny paw-prints]

You rang? :seeya: lol

Trying to wake up and just read the article about LE possibly arresting Casey within weeks. Interesting TES is going back down in 3 weeks and LE are planning an arrest in weeks. Me thinks Ckrdpast was right how this might play out with her arrest. Possibly.

I agree. I've thought that all along. How many days has it been since TES pulled out? I believe the recent news about arrest in "two weeks" is merely a ruse and Casey will be arrested before that.

[impartial]

Yuri Mellich stated in his experience what he smelled was decomposition.


I'll have to go back and read the bond hearing transcripts. In his description, did he describe it as overwhelming as the Anthony's descriptions?

Since George details the cars on a weekly/biweekly schedule ... I presume he tried to clean the trunk once he got the car home.

IMO

[SavannahStar]

This is a posting check.....if you get banned, do you know it?

If you get banned you can't post. :biggrin:

[st777jo]

I think it was more like: "I'll get even with you, you B...Caylee is MY daughter, you renigged on the agreement you made when you insisted I have this baby. You've controlled everything and everybody in this d*mn house, but I can and will control Caylee's life, and YOU WILL NEVER SEE HER AGAIN! Revenge is sweet, I get the last word Mom!"

I go along with that. I don't think Casey ever wanted Caylee. She never made a decent attempt at supporting her child. And, JMO, if Cindy knew that Casey was taking Caylee with her, she could have stopped her.

[margaritaville]

9:30 a.m. The Orlando Sentinel has received hundreds of pages of legal documents related to the Casey Anthony case today.

The documents, including several CDs, are being released by the State Attorney's Office in response to a public records request.


Audio interviews of Casey Anthony's brother, boyfriend released The CDs show images from Anthony's Photobucket photo-sharing Web site, as well as photos from a file titled, "Anything But Clothes Party." Another CD includes a July interview with Cindy Anthony, the grandmother of missing Caylee Marie.

The documents also include a computer forensic report and multiple cell phone records.

Check back for more information.http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-caylee-documents-092608,0,6419224.story


Anyone hear if they will be releasing the jail house visits?
I know they had said they wouldn't but was wondering if they changes their minds...

TIA

[day2day]

The documents also include a computer forensic report and multiple cell phone records.

* Investigators seized Casey Anthony's laptops as well as computers and cameras belonging to George and Cindy Anthony.

The investigators' reports show that Casey Anthony's computer files included an image titled "girl" which depicts a drawing of a little girl with long straight hair and in a striped shirt staring up at a teddy bear that is hanging from a hangman's noose.

The caption reads: Why do people kill people, who kill people, to show people that to kill people is bad?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-caylee-documents-092608,0,6419224.story

[SavannahStar]

In a nutshell, without my coffee. ;)


Murder 1 ... premeditated; felony murder rule

Murder 2 ... homicide with malice, but without premeditation.

Voluntary Manslaughter ... unlawful and intentional killing of a human being, but without malice.

Involuntary Manslaugher ... unlawful killing of a human being without malice either express or implied, and without intent to kill or to inflict the injury causing death, committed accidentally in the commission of some unlawful act not felonious, or in the improper performance of an act lawful in itself.


IMO

Involuntary manslaughter is my belief.

[num1barb]

In a nutshell, without my coffee. ;)


Murder 1 ... premeditated; felony murder rule

Murder 2 ... homicide with malice, but without premeditation.

Voluntary Manslaughter ... unlawful and intentional killing of a human being, but without malice.

Involuntary Manslaugher ... unlawful killing of a human being without malice either express or implied, and without intent to kill or to inflict the injury causing death, committed accidentally in the commission of some unlawful act not felonious, or in the improper performance of an act lawful in itself.


IMO



I'm leaning toward Murder 2. MOO only of course.

[barskin&co.]

I'll have to go back and read the bond hearing transcripts. In his description, did he describe it as overwhelming as the Anthony's descriptions?

Since George details the cars on a weekly/biweekly schedule ... I presume he tried to clean the trunk once he got the car home.

IMO

Where are bond hearfing transcripts, Impartial. I can only find videos.

Yuri Melich at the bond hearing (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7039465&version=1&locale=EN-US)

[day2day]

Anyone hear if they will be releasing the jail house visits?
I know they had said they wouldn't but was wondering if they changes their minds...

TIA

I haven't heard about those being released?!:shrug:

[trt]

I agree with you. Of course he wouldn't be laughing if he connected the smell to his dead niece. I don't know why people want to believe that sort of nonsense. Same sort of deal when they talk of what a horrible life Caylee must've had.



He stated in that interview that he did not believe Casey's version of what the smell was...the bond hearing had already happened, so he at the very least knew what the EVIDENCE was showing that the smell was (via cadaver dog's, LE's experience, his mom's 911 admission, etc.). How could he not connect it? At least on the very least level of "It COULD have been Caylee in the back of the trunk."?

[num1barb]

I think Baez hit the snooze button again. lol

Maybe too many brownies?? :shrug:

[Rebel Rouzer]

I'll have to go back and read the bond hearing transcripts. In his description, did he describe it as overwhelming as the Anthony's descriptions?

Since George details the cars on a weekly/biweekly schedule ... I presume he tried to clean the trunk once he got the car home.

IMO


"a strong smell of decomposition"

Is what he stated.

[margaritaville]

If the chloroform was 'all that', how come George wasn't feeling a bit woozy from it during his car ride home? Huh? If it smelled like a dead body in the damn car, how could they tell if it also reeked of chloroform? They had such distinctive sniffers that they could seperate out the smell of chloroform and decomp? And BTW, my husband is a mechanic on the side and uses all kinds of solvents to soak car parts. I asked him last night if he wanted to get his hands on chloroform, would it be possible? He told me a story of a girl he dated who worked in some factory job in W Va amout 15 yrs ago and she told HIM she could bring home chloroform anytime if he wanted some, for use as solvent not for get-high purposes. He said she never brought it home but I asked him was it a big deal or could she just walk out with it- it wasn't locked up, counted or anything, he said no. Easy for her to walk out with it apparently. Glad he got away from that woman and found me. Anyone volunteering to bring home chloroform sounds like t*r*o*u*b*l*e to me. Best hes gotten from my is free gloves and masks. Oh, and good bandaids.
I doubt Cindy had access to chloroform at work. Why would they have it, that was orthopedics office? Since she has proven to be from a family of liars (that Cher song "Gypsies, Tramps, and Theives" keeps running through my head) then I would not put it past Cindy to steal drugs, but then again very few ortho offices have anything more than free samples, and those aren't narcotics usually. She may have been hitting the sample closet regularly, but some docs offices encourage the occasional purge of free drugs from the reps once in awhile to make room in the sample closet for other stuff. I have worked for docs who did this. But this was back in the late 80's., and never ever narcotics. Lots of antibiotics and inhalers, IIRC.
Anyway thats my 23 cents worth on that subject.- AB:seeya:


My thoughts...Because the Decomp smell overpowered the smell of the chloroform. And the fact that George didn't ride in the trunk all the way home. Remember too, they used equipment to detect the chloroform not just a human nose.

IMHO

[athina]

I'm leaning toward the "accidental" side, although there are different kinds of accidents too ---- some that just happen innocently and some which are caused by carelessness, negligence. I feel certain that even if Caylee's death was accidental, Casey could not imagine facing Cindy with having let that happen. I can also imagine Casey being in a momentary rage, and Caylee the recipient of that rage.

Um sorry for visual but I can see Casey trying to "quiet" Caylee by putting her hands/pillow in her face/mouth/nose for too long until Caylee did shut up... I don't know but I don't think it would take long for a child to asphyxiate, maybe Casey was surprised herself that it happened...

IMO, JMO, MOO ad infinitum

[DeeN]

And Mark Geragos still believes that Laci Peterson was abducted by homeless satanists in a tan van. And Elliot Weinstein still believes that Rachel Entwistle killed herself and her baby, Lillian, then Neil Entwistle ran away to save her reputation.

It's defense attorney crazy talk, people.
:beer:

We could go on and on- OJ is innocent of murder too!

[SavannahStar]

It is only your OPINION that anything about this case is "easy" for other posters.

*snipped*

.

Whatever OneUp. Oftentimes you pick apart things I say and twist them, just for one word you don't feel is right. All I meant is that for US, NOT being on the inside, NOT being Lee himself, at that time and place, it is easy to "dissect" his words and nuances in the interview. You can replace "easy" in that one sentence of mine to whatever you want.

IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I FEEL posters find this CASE "easy" or "funny" or anything else which I think you are trying to imply that I believe. I DO NOT.

[day2day]

Oh dear! Did you see this?:eek::eek::

""The investigators' reports show that Casey Anthony's computer files included an image titled "girl" which depicts a drawing of a little girl with long straight hair and in a striped shirt staring up at a teddy bear that is hanging from a hangman's noose.

The caption reads: Why do people kill people, who kill people, to show people that to kill people is bad?""
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-caylee-documents-092608,0,6419224.story

Yea i saw it...how sickening!! Well there goes HER mother of the year award...
:flamemad:

jmo

[barskin&co.]

She either wanted to keep the baby or was just plain stupid, if she was running around at 7.5 mos pregnant posing as a non-pregnant woman with 'female problems" and no plan to adopt, where did she think the baby was going to go? and how could she keep that secret from her parents until almost time of delivery? I mean, I now its done all the time, gramma shows up at ER cos daughter had bad tummy ache and lo and behold heres a grandchild on the way...eeks- So that makes me think she wnted the baby in a way. Wasn't Kristine wanting to adopt caylee before she was born and Cindy put the brakes on that one? Well thats one story/lie the family is floating.
Always, almost always, grandparents are in far better position to provide the cool toys for the grandkids than they were their own kids. Cindy hadn't gone to nursing school until later in life- I think she has been a nurse 7 years now, something like that, so maybe their income in Ohio wasn't supportive of cool lil tykes playhouses. I know my kids would have DIED to have one. Not even any of their friends had one, always at the friends grandparents or at the playground. My grandkids have one and guess what- 6 grandkids and not a one of them uses it.
Grrr. sits in our yard like an afterthought. So I bet Caylee got alot of stuff Casey and lee never got. Pool in yard for example. jmo

Yes, I think Cindy provided for Caylee's needs like a mother, but also treated Caylee like a grandmother, spoiling her with special toys. etc. I remember thinking about how strange things were in that house when they showed the interior with the zillions of pictures of Caylee on the walls. Like I said, the resentments might have reached the boiling point.

[honibugs]

In the interview with Amy H. she states that the morning that she discovered her money gone, Casey convinced her that she was sleepwalking and must have misplaced her money. Amy also states that she believed this theory because she had different pajama pants on in the morning. I find this very strange and am wondering if Casey did not use the chloroform on Amy and then change her pj pants to support her lie that Amy was sleepwalking. This whole crew of people sometimes sounds like their from another plantet.

[steffaroob4]

i'm watching MSNBC and they did an interview with JB and he said were all just ASSUMING caylee was missing in June and July........say what?

baez can yack all he wants, it's put up or shut up. He is in the big league now, he better get ready, the FBI & local LE is gonna make him look like a goof. Casey better enjoy her time at home, the clock is ticking, when the neglect case goes to court it will be 5 months since anyone saw Caylee, that is a like a life time and it is going to look very bad.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Maybe too many brownies?? :shrug:

LOL That's probably why he hit the snooze button. Too many brownies. :biggrin:

Some of the things he says make me wonder who he is going to help seat on the jury. I bet he tries to get some really dumb ones so they will believe his hype.

[day2day]

Glad we're on the same page - I thought I was gonna get blasted :) A nervous laugh is more like a brief short "hah" -- Lee sounded like fricken Santa Clause. I'm going to have to make sure I take a blood pressure tablet before I attempt to listen to Cindy's.....

hammer

ITA. He acted like he wasn't hurting a bit. I don't get it. I don't have blood pressure pills -(yet)..so i guess i will just suffer...

:eek:

[SavannahStar]

Yes, you get a message indicating which post caused your problem and the length of the ban.

Just my observation,
Mortie

Wow, that's something new. I haven't been banned in a long, long, long time but I never got a nice little message about it. It was just "poof......GONE." :D

[day2day]

That is an anti-death penalty depiction.

I guess anyone who kills their beautiful littleone would be anti-death penalty. Makes perfect sense to me. JMO

Thanks bratlings!

[tiny paw-prints]

The documents also include a computer forensic report and multiple cell phone records.

* Investigators seized Casey Anthony's laptops as well as computers and cameras belonging to George and Cindy Anthony.

The investigators' reports show that Casey Anthony's computer files included an image titled "girl" which depicts a drawing of a little girl with long straight hair and in a striped shirt staring up at a teddy bear that is hanging from a hangman's noose.

The caption reads: Why do people kill people, who kill people, to show people that to kill people is bad?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-caylee-documents-092608,0,6419224.story

:eek: From the above article, it's clear to me that an arrest is very near, sooner than 2 weeks........

[impartial]

Can they get her for murder 2?


Without a cause of death, it's going to be difficult. They can take all of the lies, her "new" crowd of friends, not wanting to miss out on the parties, etc., and try to make a case for an intentional killing. The problem with that evidence is going to be the people that knew her and observed her with Caylee will be testifying it is their belief she wouldn't intentionally harm Caylee.

Malice can be implied ... reckless disregard for human life. For instance, if Casey left Caylee in the car to go to a party, and when she came out, Caylee was dead ... that is implied malice, sufficient for murder 2.

IMO

[SavannahStar]

TOD - June 8
MOD- Drowning
COD- Inv Manslaughter

Well that's my 2c because I'm not sure all the "friends" have their dates right in the case; and the original date is what I'm certain is the true date of her demise. Which is also why by the time they found that car, there wasnt much left of her. I dont believe there is anything to find of Caylee except her bones. And someone put them somewhere. And that house has NOT been searched bin by bin top to bottom.
That disturbs me so before I go OFF on a tangent about that, I'll leave it at that! :rose:


And you believe Cindy is the one who was with her at the time, right?

Well the date is wrong, IMO. LE has checked with nursing home.

I agree on drowning only I believe it was Casey. Accidental death then cover up. I haven't settled on a date yet.

[margaritaville]

I haven't heard about those being released?!:shrug:



Okay, thanks....

[Rebel Rouzer]

Oh well. Truly if you looked at my drive there is all kinds of deviant artwork, some mine some others, there are photos and then banners from weird sites in cases we all pick through.
I'm sure they'd find something to pick out and say Oh Look she is so horrible, she has sharon tates autopsy photos on her drive.....
:chicken:

You kept using the word drive and I was picturing a drive way. Finally hit me you meant hard drive on your computer. :lol:

[ruth66]

If she had "something else" in mind and went so far as to get up in the middle of the night to take Caylee to her parents house, why didn't she wake HIM when she got back, if he was so sound asleep?

and maybe this is where the chloroform comes in. She takes Caylee out to the trunk for the rest of the evening so she can ........you know (not going to type it). How far is Ricardo's place from her parents place. I would think CA would not let Casey just drop Caylee off in the middle of the night and go back to Ricardo.. For pete's sake, she called Casey at Tony's and told her to get home....something isn't right...:shrug:

[callmetree]

Wow, that's something new. I haven't been banned in a long, long, long time but I never got a nice little message about it. It was just "poof......GONE." :D

wow.... you were banned?:eek:

[Elle]

Oh dear! Did you see this?:eek::eek::eek:

""The investigators' reports show that Casey Anthony's computer files included an image titled "girl" which depicts a drawing of a little girl with long straight hair and in a striped shirt staring up at a teddy bear that is hanging from a hangman's noose.

The caption reads: Why do people kill people, who kill people, to show people that to kill people is bad?""
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-caylee-documents-092608,0,6419224.story

I have not seen that particular picture of a little girl w/ teddybear, but have seen similar ones that are supposed to make an anti-death penalty statement. I do not claim this is what this picture is though, nor do I claim to have any idea what it means to her. It could be something, it could be nothing...nevertheless...with what is going on, it is definately disturbing.

imo, moo

[EGirl]

Yea i saw it...how sickening!! Well there goes HER mother of the year award...
:flamemad:

jmo

There is plenty to indicate that Casey was anything but a good mother. BUT, let's not take things out of context. If you used facebook, myspace, etc there are literally millions of images like the one above. Some are just fun, some are politically motivated, etc.

That pic wasn't created by Casey, it's been floating around the web for years and it is an ANTI DP message.

JMO

[day2day]

:eek: From the above article, it's clear to me that an arrest is very near, sooner than 2 weeks........

Oh I believe they are very close. The silence from them is deafening. She just THINKS she is gonna get away with this. She better type fast-her time is almost up..
Tick-Tick....

:D

jmo

[OneUp]

Whatever OneUp. Oftentimes you pick apart things I say and twist them, just for one word you don't feel is right. All I meant is that for US, NOT being on the inside, NOT being Lee himself, at that time and place, it is easy to "dissect" his words and nuances in the interview. You can replace "easy" in that one sentence of mine to whatever you want.

IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I FEEL posters find this CASE "easy" or "funny" or anything else which I think you are trying to imply that I believe. I DO NOT.NO, it is your own words that IMO, imply that you think some or most of us are flip about thisc ase and fail to seriously relate to the circumstances...it seems you think some find this just to be a game.
If you feel misrepresented by my interpretation of your own words you have the opition of ignoring me or of choosing your words differently. I see what I see...I don't haev any agenda to twist anything you have said.
You said,... I think some find it easy to...it is, what it is. I didn't replace your qwords with anything, that would have been misrepresentation. I know at I feel in repsonse to Lee and the whole crew, I know why I feel it...not understanding how this case affects them and encompasses their whole lives isn't a factor in my opinions of them.
Think what you wish, I'm not interested in correcting anyone who see's a particularly negative "slant" in my postings...I've even seen things I've posted here referred to as hateful and myself referred to as full of hatred. I don't feel the need to defend, because it simply is not true, and those who think it is aren't worth the effort.
If I read your post wrong either accept it and move on, correct yourself for clarity, or just brush my opinion off as one that really doesn't matter...That's what I would do anyway.
JMO.

[MyrDawn]

TOD - June 8
MOD- Drowning
COD- Inv Manslaughter

Well that's my 2c because I'm not sure all the "friends" have their dates right in the case; and the original date is what I'm certain is the true date of her demise. Which is also why by the time they found that car, there wasnt much left of her. I dont believe there is anything to find of Caylee except her bones. And someone put them somewhere. And that house has NOT been searched bin by bin top to bottom.
That disturbs me so before I go OFF on a tangent about that, I'll leave it at that! :rose:

I believe the TOD is late on June 15th or on June 16th. It's not that I believe what the A's said, but I have no reason to think the people that worked at Cindy's dads assisted living facility would lie about Caylee being there Father's Day, June 15th.
JMO

[crymeariver2006]

That is an anti-death penalty depiction.

But, the question is WHEN that little bit was added. Has Casey always been opposed to the death penalty, or was she only opposed to it because in her mind she might very well be facing it?

:shrug:

[need2no]

Ahhhh. I thought cryme made sense, but I still didn't know about the "if I can't have her" part. Now, that sounds like Casey. Remember, she was 19 years old, just ready to make her escape, when Caylee came along and tied her down to living at home more than ever. Think of the resentments that brewed, especially as Cindy treated Caylee like the golden child that Casey never was. I wonder if Casey had her own play house with a telephone and a kitchen, like Caylee was given? Killing Caylee- what a way to get back at Cindy!


Casey knew this act was the ultimate revenge against Cindy, the thing that would hurt her the most, and in her intense anger at Cindy, Caylee became the readily available and logical weapon.

As you stated earlier and I agree, the straw that broke the camel's back was the thief from the GP's. Casey had backed herself in a corner. Not only did she now have her parents incensed at her, but she had involved the entire family by stealing from the GP's. Stealing from Cindy and Lee could be kept as a closely guarded secret, but Casey stepped out of the circle when she wiped out GF's ALF funds. Without Cindy replacing these funds the entire family might have had to chip in, or poor GP might be on his way to a sub standard state facility to live out his remaining years. There was no getting out of this one. I also think Cindy was beginning to think she was going to have to raise Caylee, and I don't think she really wanted all the responsibility on her shoulders, regardless of her threats to Casey, and I think on some level she enjoyed and didn't want to lose the one thing she could hang over Casey's head to try and control her. If she took on full custody she would likely have felt burdened at her age while Casey went out and led the carefree party life and Cindy couldn't do a d*mn thing about it.
Meanwhile she turns her anger on George and he heads out the door leaving her as a 50 something year old nurse raising a young granddaughter while life goes on for George, Casey and Lee.

[trt]

There is plenty to indicate that Casey was anything but a good mother. BUT, let's not take things out of context. If you used facebook, myspace, etc there are literally millions of images like the one above. Some are just fun, some are politically motivated, etc.

That pic wasn't created by Casey, it's been floating around the web for years and it is an ANTI DP message.

JMO


I bet Casey would be Anti - DP...most criminals usually are. (I am too, but I'm not a criminal, lol).

[MamaDudosa]

Hi all

A little thought came crawling to me just now and wanted to share it with you:

Given the information about the chloroform, maybe Casey used it before at the places she stayed at, kind of like, putting some chloroform onn their friends and lovers while they slept, in order to sneak into their wallets, taking some bills and some ramdom checks so it wouldn't be noticed immediately...:shrug:

[bballgrl]

That is an anti-death penalty depiction.

Yes, I assumed as much... but why would she have it on her computer??? Weird!

[day2day]

There is plenty to indicate that Casey was anything but a good mother. BUT, let's not take things out of context. If you used facebook, myspace, etc there are literally millions of images like the one above. Some are just fun, some are politically motivated, etc.

That pic wasn't created by Casey, it's been floating around the web for years and it is an ANTI DP message.

JMO

I haven't ever seen it. And i stand by my words...there goes her mother of the year award. Not just because of the pic-for many reasons.!! JMO

Of course she is anti-death penalty. The needle probly scares her ;)

[steffaroob4]

Wow, that's something new. I haven't been banned in a long, long, long time but I never got a nice little message about it. It was just "poof......GONE." :D

Wow, that is cool, I was only banned once, during a huge sweep of the spector forum, which I was completely innocent.

I sure want to look at those computer files today, I want that chloroform info.

[trt]

Yes, I assumed as much... but why would she have it on her computer??? Weird!



Well if it was from facebook or myspace (facebook especially), people that are your friends can come and post photos or graphics to your page. So she can always claim that it was someone else. In the age of those two networking sites, graphics like that circulate all the time.

JMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

LOL me too I was picturing she let the kids do chalk drawings in the driveway- all the way up to the Sharon Tate autopsy pics, and then I thought, oh, Jenny, you drew THAT in your driveway? LOL. THATS when I got it. TFTL, jennyany!!!:lol:Rotflmao same here :lol: That is way too funny.

[SavannahStar]

...it seems you think some find this just to be a game.

*snipped*



Well you would be wrong. I think everyone is very serious about this case.

[bballgrl]

Well if it was from facebook or myspace (facebook especially), people that are your friends can come and post photos or graphics to your page. So she can always claim that it was someone else. In the age of those two networking sites, graphics like that circulate all the time.

JMO

Ohhhhh, I assumed she had it on a file (like a my documents folder) or something... I gotcha.

That would be a creepy image, IMO to have on your hard drive!

[day2day]

Well if it was from facebook or myspace (facebook especially), people that are your friends can come and post photos or graphics to your page. So she can always claim that it was someone else. In the age of those two networking sites, graphics like that circulate all the time.

JMO

That is exactly what she will do. QUIT givin them ideas hammer LOL

[OneUp]

I seem to be as caught up as I can be until new material comes out later...and there is plenty to occupy me at home.
No need to bicker with others who want to cast aspersions on my opinions or try to inform others of what they feel or think...that is an exercise in futility.
Too much anger for such an early hour and I just don't bother with defensiveness...it is a waste of effort IMO.
I'll TTYL when there is more real information. Right now, the images my own discussions are bringing to mind are frankly making me ill.

[girlspell]

Without a cause of death, it's going to be difficult. They can take all of the lies, her "new" crowd of friends, not wanting to miss out on the parties, etc., and try to make a case for an intentional killing. The problem with that evidence is going to be the people that knew her and observed her with Caylee will be testifying it is their belief she wouldn't intentionally harm Caylee.

Malice can be implied ... reckless disregard for human life. For instance, if Casey left Caylee in the car to go to a party, and when she came out, Caylee was dead ... that is implied malice, sufficient for murder 2.

IMO

You better believe it will be difficut. They don't even have a crime scene. I've been told there have been people convicted without a weapon or body....but a crime scene? If she were convicted with what they have now, she would go to prison jsut for being suspicious of murder. As bad as Casey is now, scary thing for that to happen because it would relfect on our justice system.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I haven't ever seen it. And i stand by my words...there goes her mother of the year award. Not just because of the pic-for many reasons.!! JMO

Of course she is anti-death penalty. The needle probly scares her ;)

If the needle scares her then I bbelieve FL still allows the CHOICE of electric chair. :read:

[Leanne Weich]

Oh dear! Did you see this?:eek::eek::eek:

""The investigators' reports show that Casey Anthony's computer files included an image titled "girl" which depicts a drawing of a little girl with long straight hair and in a striped shirt staring up at a teddy bear that is hanging from a hangman's noose.

The caption reads: Why do people kill people, who kill people, to show people that to kill people is bad?""
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-caylee-documents-092608,0,6419224.story

If you look on that link for the photo evidence (I think that's what it is called), you'll see Casey's drawing. Horrific, imo.

[tiny paw-prints]

Oh I believe they are very close. The silence from them is deafening. She just THINKS she is gonna get away with this. She better type fast-her time is almost up..
Tick-Tick....

:D

jmo

I agree, the silence from them is deafening, but the release of docs and recent articles are crystal clear. Tim Miller pulled out on or about Sept 7-8 ... I've remained hopeful that they found something.

:rose: Justice for sweet Caylee

[SavannahStar]

There is plenty to indicate that Casey was anything but a good mother. BUT, let's not take things out of context. If you used facebook, myspace, etc there are literally millions of images like the one above. Some are just fun, some are politically motivated, etc.

That pic wasn't created by Casey, it's been floating around the web for years and it is an ANTI DP message.

JMO


Thank you. Voice of Reason!

[crymeariver2006]

baez can yack all he wants, it's put up or shut up. He is in the big league now, he better get ready, the FBI & local LE is gonna make him look like a goof. Casey better enjoy her time at home, the clock is ticking, when the neglect case goes to court it will be 5 months since anyone saw Caylee, that is a like a life time and it is going to look very bad.


ITA. Casey could have copped to the accident/panic defense at any time. I believe she would have received leniency, even if she told the police on 7/15 that's what had happened. Or on 8/15, or 9/15, or heck even yesterday.

But she didn't.

And now Baez has let the clock run so she's amassed additional FELONIES that she could very well be convicted of before she's ever charged in the death of Caylee. Even a manslaughter conviction at that point, would dramatically increase her sentence.

[dixie77]

Originally Posted by tiny paw-prints
I agree. I've thought that all along. How many days has it been since TES pulled out? I believe the recent news about arrest in "two weeks" is merely a ruse and Casey will be arrested before that.

====================

I didnt hear that. Is it true that Casey will be arrested in two weeks or less? Thanks

[MichelleP]

Ohhhhh, I assumed she had it on a file (like a my documents folder) or something... I gotcha.

That would be a creepy image, IMO to have on your hard drive!

To me it kinda sounds like it was on her hard drive. The date that that file was put on the hard drive is going to play a big importance I think.

[101Spots]

baez can yack all he wants, it's put up or shut up. He is in the big league now, he better get ready, the FBI & local LE is gonna make him look like a goof. Casey better enjoy her time at home, the clock is ticking, when the neglect case goes to court it will be 5 months since anyone saw Caylee, that is a like a life time and it is going to look very bad.

Don't insult Goofy. :)

Baez needs no help making himself look like the 2-bit lawyer he is. And because of his smug attitude, I'm going to enjoy watching him have a melt-down when the time comes.

[day2day]

I seem to be as caught up as I can be until new material comes out later...and there is plenty to occupy me at home.
No need to bicker with others who want to cast aspersions on my opinions or try to inform others of what they feel or think...that is an exercise in futility.
Too much anger for such an early hour and I just don't bother with defensiveness...it is a waste of effort IMO.
I'll TTYL when there is more real information. Right now, the images my own discussions are bringing to mind are frankly making me ill.

****hugs**** ..i just had to do that!! I know you are having a tough time with all of this. IF you need anything..let me know!

:rose:

[margaritaville]

Casey knew this act was the ultimate revenge against Cindy, the thing that would hurt her the most, and in her intense anger at Cindy, Caylee became the readily available and logical weapon.

As you stated earlier and I agree, the straw that broke the camel's back was the thief from the GP's. Casey had backed herself in a corner. Not only did she now have her parents incensed at her, but she had involved the entire family by stealing from the GP's. Stealing from Cindy and Lee could be kept as a closely guarded secret, but Casey stepped out of the circle when she wiped out GF's ALF funds. Without Cindy replacing these funds the entire family might have had to chip in, or poor GP might be on his way to a sub standard state facility to live out his remaining years. There was no getting out of this one. I also think Cindy was beginning to think she was going to have to raise Caylee, and I don't think she really wanted all the responsibility on her shoulders, regardless of her threats to Casey, and I think on some level she enjoyed and didn't want to lose the one thing she could hang over Casey's head to try and control her. If she took on full custody she would likely have felt burdened at her age while Casey went out and led the carefree party life and Cindy couldn't do a d*mn thing about it.
Meanwhile she turns her anger on George and he heads out the door leaving her as a 50 something year old nurse raising a young granddaughter while life goes on for George, Casey and Lee.


Has it ever been reported how much Casey stole from her Grandparents?
And what she did with that money??

[Texas48]

I am wondering what Baez has up his sleeve now that I saw him on the Today show this morning.

He responded when asked about how Casey could be out partying when her child was missing. He said something like --you are assuming that everything wasn't okay during that time.---

I think they are going to say something like...... Casey gave caylee to Zanny to live with her for a while first THEN Zanny kidnapped her. This is all fabricated of course to explain the partying pictures and reports from friends that nothing seemed wrong.

I am beginning to feel physically ill whenever I hear Baez spinning.. errrr....talking. ITA w/your post. But I do understand that her attorney has to do the "spin" in order to defend her. How many cases have we all followed and how many "spins" have we seen by defense attorneys? I will always think back to defense attorney for NE. Made all our heads spin......JMO

[steffaroob4]

A question I asked my 14 year old.

Do you think putting a toddler in a car trunk over night in FL in the summer would be a safe place?

Answer-
No, the trunk would have very little air circulation and even at night in the heat it would cause death. It is not a safe place.

I think any death that happened in the car is trouble for casey, especialy if those chloroform searches were done before Caylee vanished.

[EGirl]

If you look on that link for the photo evidence (I think that's what it is called), you'll see Casey's drawing. Horrific, imo.


Casey didn't draw it.

[johnielee333]

Casey will be arrested very, very soon for killing Caylee.
You'll see.
This is just My Opinion only.
BUT I Am The Fly On The Wall & I Do See It All ! :biggrin:

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

You better believe it will be difficut. They don't even have a crime scene. I've been told there have been people convicted without a weapon or body....but a crime scene? If she were convicted with what they have now, she would go to prison jsut for being suspicious of murder. As bad as Casey is now, scary thing for that to happen because it would relfect on our justice system.

Where was the crime scene in the Scott Peterson case?

:shrug:

[msgatorslayer]

:hat: tip to WS. Not sure how Murt got it, but...

Cindy's video interview.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murtwitnessone-live

[Cury-us Coyote]

New PDF Documents
(Stutz & Rusciano)
http://www.wftv.com/news/17564624/detail.html

[steffaroob4]

Ex-Boyfriend Stutz (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564652.pdf)

[day2day]

CASEY ANTHONY EVIDENCE PHOTOS
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-photos-casey-anthony-evidence-092608,0,7037788.photogallery

[Rebel Rouzer]

Caey didn't draw it.

I'm not putting anything into that pic I've seen it before.

Good to see ya today :seeya:

[Texas48]

Ha-Ha! But what I found interesting was in Lee's interview he said 2 DEAD squirrels crawled up in there. I haven't seen many dead squirrels crawl anywhere.
Has it ever been said who removed the "two" dead little creatures from the car?

[EGirl]

I'm not putting anything into that pic I've seen it before.

Good to see ya today :seeya:


:seeya: Hi how are ya? I really hope she's arrested on 1st degree murder charges soon and denied bail.

[Rebel Rouzer]

:hat: tip to WS. Not sure how Murt got it, but...

Cindy's video interview.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murtwitnessone-live

Thank you very much.

The sound is distorted.

[oldbluesmith]

In the interview with Amy H. she states that the morning that she discovered her money gone, Casey convinced her that she was sleepwalking and must have misplaced her money. Amy also states that she believed this theory because she had different pajama pants on in the morning. I find this very strange and am wondering if Casey did not use the chloroform on Amy and then change her pj pants to support her lie that Amy was sleepwalking. This whole crew of people sometimes sounds like their from another plantet.ITA, sleep walking doesn't start when you are Amy's age. It starts in your youth, http://www.emedicinehealth.com/sleepwalking/article_em.htm

I wonder if Amy had this disorder and told Casey about it and Casey used it to steal her cash that night? JMHO

[jakee]

:hat: tip to WS. Not sure how Murt got it, but...

Cindy's video interview.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murtwitnessone-live


Thank you, I am having a really hard time hearing it. sounds so muffled. grrrrrr must be my computer.

[dtviewer]

And you believe Cindy is the one who was with her at the time, right?

Well the date is wrong, IMO. LE has checked with nursing home.

I agree on drowning only I believe it was Casey. Accidental death then cover up. I haven't settled on a date yet.

Just curious what makes you think there is any reason to believe a drowning was the cause of death?
And if it was a drowning when could it have happened?

I myself dont see that fitting at all with any dates we know.

[Leanne Weich]

Casey didn't draw it.

I realise that now.

[day2day]

Thank you, I am having a really hard time hearing it. sounds so muffled. grrrrrr must be my computer.

i can barely hear it ..:(

[callmetree]

ok happy, where are you today?

[Texas48]

The police have, and continue to do so, given Baez and Casey EVERY opportunity to pony up an "accident".

It will be interesting to see what the defense is actually going to be:

1) Absolutely 100% not guilty, child is still alive;

2) Accident and panic, thereby admitting little Caylee was indeed in the trunk of the car after all the denials and BS about test results.

3) One of the "friends" did it, again admitting that Caylee was indeed dead.
My quess and only a quess is that she will plead NOT quilty...What has she got to loose. Defense has always got the hope and prayer that there will be that one hold out on the jury, We have seen it before and we will see it again. JMO

[msgatorslayer]

I'm having a hard time hearing it as well. I keep tinkering with my puter volume and the programs volume but can't find a decent balance.

It's interesting to see Cindy's demeanor during the interview. Very casual. She's touching herself alot too. Hands to the hair, mouth, etc. And where is her water bottle? lmao

[need2no]

Has it ever been reported how much Casey stole from her Grandparents?
And what she did with that money??


Not that I am aware of. Nancy Grace threw out a figure of 45K, but LE has not confirmed this to my knowledge.

[BANJO GRANNY]

If the needle scares her then I bbelieve FL still allows the CHOICE of electric chair. :read:
IMO the needle and chair both are to good for her or anyone who does something to hurt or kill a child. I say hang her from a tree by her feet and let anyone that wants to come by and hit her with a ballbat w/ very long nails sticking out of it or a hammer (which seems to be the families choice)until she tells the truth about what happened to that darling baby girl.

:rose:For Baby Caylee

[Rebel Rouzer]

Thank you, I am having a really hard time hearing it. sounds so muffled. grrrrrr must be my computer.

I'm going to need someone to transcribe her interview for me. The sound is terrible. I can't make all of it out.

[GrannyB]

I honestly just think the situation was just unreal and things were not sinking in with Lee like they had started with Cindy, to me it sounds like he wants Casey to just go away, shes making their lives unmanageable. She needs to go. moo

I don't understand what is there is sink in. Caylee isn't there. At 3 she sure as heck didn't run away.

[SavannahStar]

:hat: tip to WS. Not sure how Murt got it, but...

Cindy's video interview.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murtwitnessone-live

That's terrible quality.

[steffaroob4]

Casey's Letter To Sheriff Beary (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564742.pdf):confused:

[jakee]

i can barely hear it ..:(

It is a tad frustrating. Guess I will wait for a transcript? :shrug:

[SavannahStar]

IMO the needle and chair both are to good for her or anyone who does something to hurt or kill a child. I say hang her from a tree by her feet and let anyone that wants to come by and hit her with a ballbat w/ very long nails sticking out of it or a hammer (which seems to be the families choice)until she tells the truth about what happened to that darling baby girl.

:rose:For Baby Caylee

OMG. :eek:

[GrannyB]

Just curious what makes you think there is any reason to believe a drowning was the cause of death?
And if it was a drowning when could it have happened?

I myself dont see that fitting at all with any dates we know.

I believe drowning is the most probable. I don't think anyone in that house killed Caylee on purpose.

[StickyBeak]

I think it was more like: "I'll get even with you, you B...Caylee is MY daughter, you renigged on the agreement you made when you insisted I have this baby. You've controlled everything and everybody in this d*mn house, but I can and will control Caylee's life, and YOU WILL NEVER SEE HER AGAIN! Revenge is sweet, I get the last word Mom!"

Maybe this is where push came to shove, Casey was having herself a blast partying all over town, different guys, claiming a good job which happened to coincide with free babysitting by Cindi, perhaps Cindi had enough. TonE said Cindi often called, he could tell by the song that played on the phone that it was her, Casey always took the calls outside or in another room. Many times casey had to leave, her mom said get home. I imagine Casey did not like to have this embarassing interruption, then the confrontation in front of TonE and comment cindy made, I hope you have lots of Money! Possibly enough motive to get rid of Caylee. So why would Casey want to get in touch with TonE asap from jail? Cover tracks? She was so busy making phone calls and everything, she had no time to cry for Caylee.

[trt]

That is exactly what she will do. QUIT givin them ideas hammer LOL



whoopsie!! If I hear Baez say that at any time, I'm sending him a bill! :D

[iluvmua]

Casey Anthony will be arrested in a matter of weeks. :)

http://www.wesh.com/news/17563488/detail.html

[Cury-us Coyote]

Tow Truck Driver Statement & 2 Page letter Casey to Beary
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564742.pdf

[day2day]

When someone wrote that "I can hit up my friend annie for some xanax,'' Anthony replied: "we'd be a good time"

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-caylee-documents-092608,0,6419224.story

[msgatorslayer]

That's terrible quality.

Yes, it is. Hopefully, the real media will be able to clear it up before releasing it. It jammed up now.

[babblefishie]

It creeps me out how everyone in the family says they are trying to "reach out" to Casey or get Casey to REACH out to them. It's chilling that they have a euphemism to pretty up the fact that they want her to cut the bull sh*t with them. This is so normal for them all -- getting their daughter to "reach out" to them with some sort of scrap of truth in all the lies. :cuss::cuss:

[SavannahStar]

Just curious what makes you think there is any reason to believe a drowning was the cause of death?
And if it was a drowning when could it have happened?

I myself dont see that fitting at all with any dates we know.

I'm really not locked into that theory at all. I believe it was an accidental death though, and drowning in the pool seems a logical assumption...I live in FL, and toddlers drowning in pools is sadly an almost everyday occurrence. :( I really didn't stop to figure dates that carefully. I just am absolutely firm in my belief that it was not premeditated murder though.

[kakax]

I'm making a public (well maybe just for me) plea, to please take the time to add any links that you find to the links thread.

For those of us that today can't follow it closely, it will keep people from asking over and over for links.

TYTYTYTYTYTYTYTY. I love you guys!! :rose:

[callmetree]

OMG. :eek:

:confused: do u think she deserves better? get real.....:punch:

[trt]

You better believe it will be difficut. They don't even have a crime scene. I've been told there have been people convicted without a weapon or body....but a crime scene? If she were convicted with what they have now, she would go to prison jsut for being suspicious of murder. As bad as Casey is now, scary thing for that to happen because it would relfect on our justice system.


How do we know they don't have a crime scene? Everything they have released is discovery in the child neglect case. If they have that much on her to prove child neglect and have stated that they will not realease other things that will go directly to GJ for indictment, they obviously have some more damning things than even we've seen. And what I've seen so far has been pretty damning (even goes a little further than just proving Child Neglect, IMO.)

Suppose the crime scene is the trunk, which is why they are being careful to check and recheck their findings. JMO

[ruth66]

You make a good point about what in particular could they be looking for to prove criminal intent without a cause of death.

Everyone they have interviewed doesn't believe Casey would intentionally harm Caylee. So where do they go from there? I suppose they could try to hang their hats on the chloroform, and the searches on the computer. Depending on when those searches occurred, there are ways to combat the searches: The chloroform "ad" by her friend on his/her myspace ... she could have clicked on the ad, not understood what the joke was, and did chloroform searches to understand it. And since it's Cindy's laptop, who performed the searches ... Cindy or Casey.

Personally, if there are significant amounts of chloroform in the trunk, since chloroform evaporates twice as fast as fingernail polish; it makes more sense that a cleaning agent with chloroform, or chloroform in its pure state, was used to get the stench out of the car or to clean the trunk for whatever reason.

IMO

Using your theory about the chloroform as a cleaning agent, do you think it is possible that CA & GA found the bottle of chloroform in the car after it was picked up and went to the computer to see what it might be used for. Saw something that said used in cleaning and ASSUMED that was why Casey had it (since they seem to believe everything else she says) and tried to help her out with the clean up before calling the police? Just a thought..no evidence to back it..

[GrannyB]

OMG. :eek:


Most of us Grannys can be very vicious when it come to our grands.:)
Too bad Cindy isn't like that.

[dixie77]

I believe drowning is the most probable. I don't think anyone in that house killed Caylee on purpose.
=============

I've said from the beginning that i think it was an accidental drowning due to neglience on Casey's part. But i do think it was a cover up.
JMO

[msgatorslayer]

Casey's Letter To Sheriff Beary (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564742.pdf):confused:

:shrug: The Sheriff's help in setting up a meeting with her Dad? Huh?

[crymeariver2006]

Casey's Letter To Sheriff Beary (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564742.pdf):confused:


WTH? She wanted him to set up a meeting between Casey and her dad?

What for?

:shrug:

[debkay]

That is an anti-death penalty depiction.


I would imagine that Casey is VERY anti-death penalty.

[crymeariver2006]

=============

I've said from the beginning that i think it was an accidental drowning due to neglience on Casey's part. But i do think it was a cover up.
JMO

But when did this drowning occur and where?

[steffaroob4]

CASEY ANTHONY EVIDENCE PHOTOS
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-photos-casey-anthony-evidence-092608,0,7037788.photogallery



Casey Anthony
(ORANGE COUNTY PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE / June 17, 2008) (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-photos-casey-anthony-evidence-092608,0,7037788.photogallery) (pic 27)

OMG, She is going to be in trouble if this picture was taken on the 17th of June. good grief, where is Caylee? Is that a cross on that necklace?

[need2no]

Yes, it is. Hopefully, the real media will be able to clear it up before releasing it. It jammed up now.

Isn't this release of Cindy's interview from Murt the FL resident who inserted himself into the Trenton Duckett case, and has his own truck with 'ease dropping devices' ?

[GrannyB]

WTH? She wanted him to set up a meeting between Casey and her dad?

What for?

:shrug:

Makes you wonder doesn't it. This family is just unbelievable.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Casey's Letter To Sheriff Beary (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564742.pdf):confused:

Special request for meeting with GA, IMO.

[dixie77]

But when did this drowning occur and where?
===========

Not sure of the date but i think it was in the Anthony's pool. jmo

[day2day]

WTH? She wanted him to set up a meeting between Casey and her dad?

What for?

:shrug:

Its hard tellin...hammer

[msgatorslayer]

Isn't this release of Cindy's interview from Murt the FL resident who inserted himself into the Trenton Duckett case, and has his own truck with 'ease dropping devices' ?

Yup, thats the one. I found it posted on WS.

[bballgrl]

When someone wrote that "I can hit up my friend annie for some xanax,'' Anthony replied: "we'd be a good time"

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-caylee-documents-092608,0,6419224.story

Yeah, would also give an explaination of the "I'm playing phone tag with Zani....." statement (she also says & My Mom).. I bet she was looking for some Xanax and was waiting to hear from someone that had some... Just a thought.

[day2day]

Yeah, would also give an explaination of the "I'm playing phone tag with Zani....." statement (she also says & My Mom).. I bet she was looking for some Xanax and was waiting to hear from someone that had some... Just a thought.

Thats exactly what i was thinking! :cuss:

[101Spots]

Baez is wrong.

<respectfully snipped>

NO WAY! <gasp, gasp> [faint] {thud}

*wiping face with wet towel*

Who'd a thunk it??

[msgatorslayer]

Its hard tellin...hammer

Only thing I can figure out is that she is requesting a special meeting with her Dad. One that is not taped as in a regular jail house visit.:shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

Its hard tellin...hammer


Was she in jail on 8/14? If so, wasn't she allowed visits? Or is she wanting a "special" (unrecorded) visit?

[GrannyB]

Casey Anthony
(ORANGE COUNTY PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE / June 17, 2008) (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-photos-casey-anthony-evidence-092608,0,7037788.photogallery) (pic 27)

OMG, She is going to be in trouble if this picture was taken on the 17th of June. good grief, where is Caylee? Is that a cross on that necklace?

OMG that last one. The illustration. Now I don't know what to think.
Wish they had a date on that one.

[need2no]

Yup, thats the one. I found it posted on WS.


Thanks, I thought so.

[SandyO]

LOL That's probably why he hit the snooze button. Too many brownies. :biggrin:

Some of the things he says make me wonder who he is going to help seat on the jury. I bet he tries to get some really dumb ones so they will believe his hype.

I would love to know what he really, really thinks of his client., Reb. He's spent endless hours with her now, and the 'real' monster has to have surfaced for him to see. I understand his job is to defend her, no matter what, but having seen all he's seen and heard all he's heard, he's got to know his client is a sleezy piece of trash, AND a murderess.

[iluvmua]

Does anyone else agree that it was pre meditated (sp) murder? or am i totally wrong here?

[crymeariver2006]

Only thing I can figure out is that she is requesting a special meeting with her Dad. One that is not taped as in a regular jail house visit.:shrug:


There goes that sense of entitlement again.

:cuss:

[day2day]

Was she in jail on 8/14? If so, wasn't she allowed visits? Or is she wanting a "special" (unrecorded) visit?

She had to have been..why else would she ask HIM for a special meeting and what did she have to tell him?! HMMMMMMMM!!

[Ellie]

I've been thinking.... initially I thought this was probably an accident, something went very, very wrong at some point when Caylee was in Casey's care, and then I just now realized "wait... Casey, the one who likes to be the center of attention? Isn't she way, way too much of a martyr to not take Caylee's death as a dramatic opportunity for herself?" Yes, if this was an accident Casey (IMO of course) would have called 911 right away, called her mom, called someone and at this point everyone would still be feeling bad for Casey, the poor mother who lost her child.

Now I am completly convinced that whatever happened was no accident... Casey did something, such as used too much chloroform and ended up killing Caylee instead of just knocking her out. Or she locked Caylee in the trunk and she suffocated. Something along those lines. Whatever she did was either intentional or the result of something she did intentionally, otherwise Casey would have used it to her advantage. Make sense?

[trt]

Does anyone else agree that it was pre meditated (sp) murder? or am i totally wrong here?

I'm with you...I think she planned to do this, whether in the split seconds before she did it or weeks/months in advance, she planned to end Caylee's life. It didn't just happen, she realizes the accident, goes into cover up and body dumping mode and then parties like its 1999 with her friends. Accidential deaths don't cause you to act that way, IMO.

[crymeariver2006]

Does anyone else agree that it was pre meditated (sp) murder? or am i totally wrong here?

I think it was.

I've never been a proponent of the accident theory. It doesn't even begin to explain her being carefree and all smiles in the days afterwards.

[GrannyB]

Does anyone else agree that it was pre meditated (sp) murder? or am i totally wrong here?

I've never thought that until I saw that illustration. Now I don't even know what I think.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I would love to know what he really, really thinks of his client., Reb. He's spent endless hours with her now, and the 'real' monster has to have surfaced for him to see. I understand his job is to defend her, no matter what, but having seen all he's seen and heard all he's heard, he's got to know his client is a sleezy piece of trash, AND a murderess.

Oh I'm sure. The last video I saw of them together he acted upset with her in my opinion. Compared to other times weve sen.

Ok Cindy Video back up I'm going to listen as closely as i can. Its muffled somewhat.

[SavannahStar]

Does anyone else agree that it was pre meditated (sp) murder? or am i totally wrong here?

From what I've read, I think that is probably the majority opinion. I disagree, as do some others.

[BANJO GRANNY]

Most of us Grannys can be very vicious when it come to our grands.:)
Too bad Cindy isn't like that.
I agree. If any of my grandkids was missing and one of my kids was the last one seen with them and the LE had all of this stuff that they have on Casey. I say give me 10 minutes in a room alone with them and I will find out what happened to my grandchild.
IMO There is NOTHING I would not do to find my grandchilds body, to give them the burial they deserve. How ANYONE can do ANYTHING to hurt a little child is beyond me. IMO Cindy and George need to come to grips with what has happened and let Casey fend for herself as that is what she was doing for 31 days (even if it was w/ other people's money) while her childs body is laying somewhere w/out a proper burial.
IMO



:rose:For Baby Caylee

[day2day]

Only thing I can figure out is that she is requesting a special meeting with her Dad. One that is not taped as in a regular jail house visit.:shrug:

Probly to tell him where the rest of the evidence!. jmo

[kaylynn]

Makes you wonder doesn't it. This family is just unbelievable.

It really is. Nothing shocks me anymore.
:rose:

[~jomomma~]

Also from the link:

Investigators have also confirmed that high levels of chloroform were in the trunk, and they said they're close to determining the dates someone researched chloroform on Anthony's computer before Caylee disappeared.

Investigators have confirmed.

Not 'sources.'

Now ask yourself this... are there any documents released pertaining to chloroform computer searches or chloroform being in the trunk of the car?

The answer is a resounding NO.

Once Casey is charged with murder... the chit will really hit the fan.

And Baez ain't ready for that. Not at all.

Investigators have also confirmed that high levels of chloroform were in the trunk, and they said they're close to determining the dates someone researched chloroform on Anthony's computer before Caylee disappeared.


wow!

[steffaroob4]

Tow truck manager about car smell-:eek:

In the back of my head I'm going that isn't rotten garbage. (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564882.pdf)

[crymeariver2006]

She had to have been..why else would she ask HIM for a special meeting and what did she have to tell him?! HMMMMMMMM!!

Shoring up something he might have let slip in the media? Or something she wanted slipped in the media?

I dunno. Interesting that she's not requesting an audience with Lee.

[callmetree]

From what I've read, I think that is probably the majority opinion. I disagree, as do some others.

consider this poster in that majority!!!!

[kaylynn]

From what I've read, I think that is probably the majority opinion. I disagree, as do some others.

do you think it was accidental? I'm on the fence about what I think.

[marshmallow]

From what I've read, I think that is probably the majority opinion. I disagree, as do some others.

I also disagree. I think it was either accidental or a moment of temper.

[GrannyB]

From what I've read, I think that is probably the majority opinion. I disagree, as do some others.

I with you on being an accident. And after pic #32 I don't know what I think on who did it.

[kakax]

Almost 1,000 pages of new documents, recordings, photos and video were released Friday morning in the Casey Anthony case.

The documents include more police reports, cell phone records, and transcripts of investigator interviews, including with an Orange County Sheriff’s Office deputy who authorities say lied about his relationship with Anthony. Also, photos of Casey Anthony at an "Anything But Clothes Party" were released.

The stack is the latest release of information from the State Attorney’s Office. WESH 2 News and WESH.com staff is currently going through the information and plans to post details as soon as possible.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17564904/detail.html

[day2day]

Investigators have also confirmed that high levels of chloroform were in the trunk, and they said they're close to determining the dates someone researched chloroform on Anthony's computer before Caylee disappeared.


wow!

That will be blamed on cindy. i beileve..jmo

[iluvmua]

What evidence in court could they use against Casey? Everthing?

[GrannyB]

What evidence could they use against Casey?

I want to know the date on that illustration.

[steffaroob4]

Tow truck manager about car smell-:eek:

In the back of my head I'm going that isn't rotten garbage. (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564882.pdf)

GA called the amscot before he picked up the car???

He had an old metal gas can??? I thought his gas cans were plastic.

[kakax]

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564652.pdf

Transcript with Casey's ex Christopher Stutz

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf
Computer forensics report

[kakax]

From the computer forensics




A keyword search for "Zenaida" revealed Web pages indicating that a user
searched the Internet for that name on July 16, 2008. Those entries were
bookmarked under the "Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez" section of this report.

[ALL RISE]

the evidence is beginning to stack up against Casey that this was premeditated.

"I'm a spiteful b*tch." She seems more than comfortable talking with her brother.

After watching a lot of Nancy Grace, a clear picture comes about and have to agree with the bounty hunter too that first bailed Casey "there is 'some' truth in everything she says....picking and sifting thru it is unnerving!

I wish LE could find the body.

[FeelinFroggy617]

What evidence in court could they use against Casey? Everthing?


Good afternoon everyone! I'm just getting here....anything released yet with Cindys interview?

TIA:seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

I don't buy the accident theory for obvious reasons but the thing that gets me the most is she didn't tell one single soul about it. Not Amy. Not Tony. Not Ricardo. Not Christine. Not Lee. Nobody. There was no outcry to anybody.

But especially, she didn't tell Jesse Grund. There was no love lost between Jesse and Cindy so I believe had it been a true accident, she would have received support from Jesse and his family in dealing with the aftermath (including dealing with Cindy).

To me, that speaks volumes.

But that's just me.

[iluvmua]

I want to know the date on that illustration.

I'm with you, GrannyB. I assume it was a picture on her computer and that she did not actually draw it? none the less, it IS creepy!

[margaritaville]

Does anyone else agree that it was pre meditated (sp) murder? or am i totally wrong here?


I totally agree with you.. She planned it out...

No accident............Death penalty.......IMO

[dtviewer]

I'm really not locked into that theory at all. I believe it was an accidental death though, and drowning in the pool seems a logical assumption...I live in FL, and toddlers drowning in pools is sadly an almost everyday occurrence. :( I really didn't stop to figure dates that carefully. I just am absolutely firm in my belief that it was not premeditated murder though.


I dont see it being a possibility.

If Caylee went to the nursing home during the day on the 15th, and then Casey left with her that day or the next as GA claims, there would be no timeline where a drowning fits.

I am just as firm in my belief that it was not involuntary manslaughter.
I just cant believe that she was leaving the parents house after the fight about the GP's money she stole, and Caylee just happened to have an accident that day that would free Casey to go live at Tony's alone. And then not to report it as an accident and then lie that Caylee was with the Nanny is just more icing on the cake.
Not buying it.

[~jomomma~]

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564652.pdf

Transcript with Casey's ex Christopher Stutz

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf
Computer forensics report

wow, from the computer forensics report:

No photos, video, email, IM chat or any other communication with Zenaida was discovered on either computer!!

[kakax]

wow, from the computer forensics report:

No photos, video, email, IM chat or any other communication with Zenaida was discovered on either computer!!



But it looks like she searched her name...on myspace and on reunion.com. Don't quote me yet, I'm still trying to figure it out.

[kakax]

Good afternoon everyone! I'm just getting here....anything released yet with Cindys interview?

TIA:seeya:

I don't see it on this link yet but here is other evidence to ponder....


http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564652.pdf
Transcript with Casey's ex Christopher Stutz

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf
Computer forensics report


http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564670.pdf
Ex bf Rusciano

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564704.pdf
Tow Truck driver

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564882.pdf
Tow truck manager

[beckyj]

You know, this is so sad!! I've been waiting, as have all of you, for something to turn on this case. IMO, Casey needs to be arrested. But now that you read through all this stuff and it becomes pretty clear she is dead, it hurts all over again! Poor Caylee. She certainly didn't deserve this.:rose:

[playnice]

I agree but at this point I dont even care. I say, charge her with premeditated murder and leave the burden to her to her to prove it was less!

If this goes to a grand jury will it drag on for months like the DP case?

[crymeariver2006]

wow, from the computer forensics report:

No photos, video, email, IM chat or any other communication with Zenaida was discovered on either computer!!


No big surprise there!

BTW, did we already know that Casey had a cupid.com account?

[callmetree]

I'm really not locked into that theory at all. I believe it was an accidental death though, and drowning in the pool seems a logical assumption...I live in FL, and toddlers drowning in pools is sadly an almost everyday occurrence. :( I really didn't stop to figure dates that carefully. I just am absolutely firm in my belief that it was not premeditated murder though.

it seems we've heard this word ABSOLUTELY way too many times today. :D

[OneUp]

GA called the amscot before he picked up the car???

He had an old metal gas can??? I thought his gas cans were plastic.I am reading Mr. Birch's statements right now and came back on just to comment on this fact! Geroge tells Birch AT THE TIME he is picking the car up that he...
1.-knows it was towed from the Amscot.
2.-knows it sat there three days.
How in the blazes would he know not only those two facts w/o Birch first telling him, AND know to bring gas? I think he or Lee had to haev been in contact with Casey when the letter was recieved...maybe after the fight that the car towing brought on, she just turned off her phone or refused to answer it to them and thus Cindy came searching for her...???...something fishy for certain about georges comments at the tow yard!
And the description of the odor...I think we can now see that it was nasty, but seemed to be mostly contained inside the car. How the HECK did George drive that car home?...what went through his head?
JMO...BBL...reading more...

[FeelinFroggy617]

I don't see it on this link yet but here is other evidence to ponder....


http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564652.pdf
Transcript with Casey's ex Christopher Stutz

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf
Computer forensics report


http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564670.pdf
Ex bf Rusciano

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564704.pdf
Tow Truck driver

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564882.pdf
Tow truck manager


Thanks so much!! I can't wait to hear Cindys interview!

[martha]

I don't buy the accident theory for obvious reasons but the thing that gets me the most is she didn't tell one single soul about it. Not Amy. Not Tony. Not Ricardo. Not Christine. Not Lee. Nobody. There was no outcry to anybody.

But especially, she didn't tell Jesse Grund. There was no love lost between Jesse and Cindy so I believe had it been a true accident, she would have received support from Jesse and his family in dealing with the aftermath (including dealing with Cindy).

To me, that speaks volumes.

But that's just me. ITA with you. casey has not heart. I will be so glad when they charge her with caylee death. I am so far behind on this story so I can;t keep up with everything that is coming out now but it my heart I think casey planed this killing of caylee.jmho:rose:

[SavannahStar]

I don't buy the accident theory for obvious reasons but the thing that gets me the most is she didn't tell one single soul about it. Not Amy. Not Tony. Not Ricardo. Not Christine. Not Lee. Nobody. There was no outcry to anybody.

But especially, she didn't tell Jesse Grund. There was no love lost between Jesse and Cindy so I believe had it been a true accident, she would have received support from Jesse and his family in dealing with the aftermath (including dealing with Cindy).

To me, that speaks volumes.

But that's just me.

That's a good point, cryme, but like I've always said.....speaking for myself......I chalk ALL of that up to her very unique, almost inexplicable, personality disorder(s).

[babblefishie]

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564652.pdf

Transcript with Casey's ex Christopher Stutz

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf
Computer forensics report

Another ex! This girl is the community bicycle!

[crymeariver2006]

But it looks like she searched her name...on myspace and on reunion.com. Don't quote me yet, I'm still trying to figure it out.


But wasn't that on 7/16? Nothing before, right?

[FeelinFroggy617]

No big surprise there!

BTW, did we already know that Casey had a cupid.com account?



We do now!! I was wondering where she would fit in more men in her life??!! She was already pretty busy if you ask me!

[chrissybot]

Does anyone else agree that it was pre meditated (sp) murder? or am i totally wrong here?

No, iluv. I think your right. I believe Casey meant it when she said she was a spiteful B! I believe she did indeed intentionally kill her child-JMO

[SavannahStar]

it seems we've heard this word ABSOLUTELY way too many times today. :D

:lol: I actually use the word a lot myself and I'm not stopping now. I think most of us, if you listen carefully NOW, after this case, will find it's in pretty common usage.

[Lynden1000]

I would love to know what he really, really thinks of his client., Reb. He's spent endless hours with her now, and the 'real' monster has to have surfaced for him to see. I understand his job is to defend her, no matter what, but having seen all he's seen and heard all he's heard, he's got to know his client is a sleezy piece of trash, AND a murderess.

I think he's intrigued with her. Disgusting as she is, some guys are drawn to dangerous, femme fatale types.

[OneUp]

From the computer forensics




A keyword search for "Zenaida" revealed Web pages indicating that a user
searched the Internet for that name on July 16, 2008. Those entries were
bookmarked under the "Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez" section of this report.
I had a feeling she picked up that name from Sawgrass and went looking for more information to clothe her imaginary nanny and fake suspect with...If she searched for and found the actual Z F-G's information on the net, it definitely gives life to her civil suit IMO.

[steffaroob4]

OMG, tow truck manager was inside the dumpster looking for that garbage back, ewww. he didn't know LE had gotten it, can you imagine crawling around a dumpster...

[~jomomma~]

That will be blamed on cindy. i beileve..jmo

don't know!

they would have the date and time! i guess cindy would have to prove where she was when it happened?

[callmetree]

No big surprise there!

BTW, did we already know that Casey had a cupid.com account?

maybe she'll meet my ex there. they deserve each other!:biggrin:

[Keno]

I think Casey set out to kill Caylee. She wanted to take Caylee away from her mom, Cindy, and she did that for good. Very sad.

It's the same type of stuff that goes on every day in divorce matters. If I can't see the kids, then you can't either so I will kill them.

Casey was angry at Cindy. Cindy had planned to take Caylee from Casey.

Why "some" continue to talk smack about Cindy is just beyond me. She and her husband are the ones who loved that child and well, I guess they have to blame others. I blame the person who killed her. She is solely responsible. I do understand the pain Cindy and George are going through ONLY because I have tried to put myself in their shoes. Has to be very difficult for them. A child they raised - how could she do something like this? Their world is crumbling around them and that is sad to me. First they lose Caylee and now most likely Casey. Sad!

All the above are my opinion only!

[crymeariver2006]

That's a good point, cryme, but like I've always said.....speaking for myself......I chalk ALL of that up to her very unique, almost inexplicable, personality disorder(s).

What personality disorders has she been diagnosed with?

What personality disorder would cause one to call God and everybody else when you run out of gas or have a flat tire, calling 911 when protesters are outside your house, but makes you not call 911 or anybody else when there's a REAL emergency?

[tiny paw-prints]

Casey Anthony
(ORANGE COUNTY PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE / June 17, 2008) (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-photos-casey-anthony-evidence-092608,0,7037788.photogallery) (pic 27)

OMG, She is going to be in trouble if this picture was taken on the 17th of June. good grief, where is Caylee? Is that a cross on that necklace?

Wow. I agree, photo 6/17/08 dressed in black. A total of 37 pics. Many images that I've not seen before. Thanks for posting the link.

[kakax]

This is very damning evidence....




Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez
A keyword search for "Zenaida" was conducted on the HP desktop computer. The
following files are records of web pages indicating that someone was searching
for that name on the Internet.

Name: casey@www.reunion[2].txt
Description: File, Archive
File Created: 07/16/08 06:21:17AM
Last Accessed: 07/16/08 06:21:27AM
Last Written: 07/16/08 06:21:27AM
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Documents and Settings\casey\Cookies\casey@www.reunion[2].txt
zenaida


Name: history.dat
Description: File, Archive
File Created: 10/22/07 01:13:21PM
Last Accessed: 07/16/08 12:03:24PM
Last Written: 07/16/08 12:03:24PM
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Documents and Settings\casey\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\mfhaxjkl.default\his tory.dat
http://friends.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewfriends\ =203461948897ec12-9984-4944-b65e-
6dcef3d5a590=zenaida
Name: index.dat
Description: File, Archive


File Created: 06/12/08 11:15:29PM
Last Accessed: 06/12/08 11:15:29PM
Last Written: 07/16/08 04:20:12PM
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Documents and Settings\casey\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\index.dat
http://clk.atdmt.com/RUC/go/whtpgreu0210000164ruc/direct;at.rucreu00001670;ct.1/01?dispatch=show
SearchRegistration&action=peopleSearch_wp_resultcount&city=&mname=&peopleSearchFrom=wp&affiliate
id=131&searchFirstName=zenaida&searchLastName=Gonzalez&searchAge=25
Name: index.dat
Description: File, Archive
File Created: 06/12/08 11:15:29PM
Last Accessed: 06/12/08 11:15:29PM
Last Written: 07/16/08 04:20:12PM
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Documents and Settings\casey\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\index.dat
http://preview.ussearch.com/preview/ala/newsearch?&searchLName=Fernandez&searchState=FL&searchCi
ty=jacksonville&searchFName=Zenaida&adID=303014F936&adsource=8&TID=0&cid=people&searchtab=people
·ð-·newsearch[2]

[iluvmua]

Would not suprise me if Casey had Anti- Social Disorder.

[crymeariver2006]

I had a feeling she picked up that name from Sawgrass and went looking for more information to clothe her imaginary nanny and fake suspect with...If she searched for and found the actual Z F-G's information on the net, it definitely gives life to her civil suit IMO.

Oh yes, and especially if it turns out that Victor Fernandez is indeed listed as an owner of the silver Ford that the real ZG drives.

[~jomomma~]

dang! i'm not going to be able to look at all this stuff until tonight!

:Mad:

[iluvmua]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

fits Casey to a T!

[callmetree]

:lol: I actually use the word a lot myself and I'm not stopping now. I think most of us, if you listen carefully NOW, after this case, will find it's in pretty common usage.

WHATEVER may also become very popular:lol::lol: and i don't think i asked u at anytime to stop using any words you choose to use....

[lonetraveler]

Something important will happen today. I know this because I have to be gone most of the day having a PET scan. It never fails, when I'm away from tv and the computer, something happens.

It was kind of weird yesterday listening to Lee's tape. When I read the transcript, it just seemed dry and ..... boring, really. But hearing him speak? I think he was trying to convey to LE that he has a crazy family, and that this was just another mother-daughter conflict. jmo


-------------------------
I wish you the best of all luck on your PET scan...

[SavannahStar]

Another ex! This girl is the community bicycle!


"The community bicycle"....LOL....I've never heard that one!

[SavannahStar]

WHATEVER may also become very popular:lol::lol: and i don't think i asked u at anytime to stop using any words you choose to use....

No you didn't...:lol:...nor did I say you did...

[bballgrl]

From what I've read, I think that is probably the majority opinion. I disagree, as do some others.

I don't know about premeditated.... however, I also don't believe it was an accident. Does that make any sense? :shrug:(I have a big headache right now)

[SavannahStar]

:shrug: Looks that way to me too ..

Me too. And wasn't that Cindy's HP computer? So Cindy was looking up the name? I'm not finding anything surprising about that...

I'm not getting too much out of the forensic files....just did a speed reading of them. Not very earth-shattering? Unless I missed something....

[Regina.Lampert]

In a nutshell, without my coffee. ;)


Murder 1 ... premeditated; felony murder rule

Murder 2 ... homicide with malice, but without premeditation.

Voluntary Manslaughter ... unlawful and intentional killing of a human being, but without malice.

Involuntary Manslaugher ... unlawful killing of a human being without malice either express or implied, and without intent to kill or to inflict the injury causing death, committed accidentally in the commission of some unlawful act not felonious, or in the improper performance of an act lawful in itself.


IMO

Thank you so much for posting that information for us Imp. Going to be very interesting to see which one they finally settle on.

for any interested parties, the DEBATE in on!!! :patriot:

[SavannahStar]

What personality disorders has she been diagnosed with?

What personality disorder would cause one to call God and everybody else when you run out of gas or have a flat tire, calling 911 when protesters are outside your house, but makes you not call 911 or anybody else when there's a REAL emergency?

I'm no psychiatrist. I'd say it's a wacked out person, at the very least.......:)

[Mandymax]

No, iluv. I think your right. I believe Casey meant it when she said she was a spiteful B! I believe she did indeed intentionally kill her child-JMO

No matter how hard I try, I just can't wrap my brain around this idea. Especially if she did it simply to hurt her mother.

I can understand being extremely ticked off at someone. But when you want to get back at them for something, you, like, key their car door, (BTW, I AM NOT CONDONING ANY OF THESE ACTIONS!!!) or spread nasty rumors about them or something. Doing something to inanimate objects is one thing, but a little girl? Who walks, talks, giggles, plays, has favorite foods and favorite songs? A little girl you CARRIED for nine months??? A living, breathing human being? Like you're keying a car? Just to "get even with" someone? That child did nothing wrong.

I honestly can't comprehend that mentality. Maybe it's because it's looking as though I may never have a biological child of my own. If Casey hadn't wanted to raise her little girl, I would gladly have opened my heart and home to her.

As always, my own opinion.

[daHawg]

I want to know the date on that illustration.

The 8th of July.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

Pg 7

[OneUp]

OMG, tow truck manager was inside the dumpster looking for that garbage back, ewww. he didn't know LE had gotten it, can you imagine crawling around a dumpster...I think it shows that when he heard this on the news and put two and to together, that he felt compelled to search ofr it...thatbhe did think itmight be relevant. I also think it says good thigs about how concientious he was...things have been said here about why he didn't call the police, etc.....someone not on the up and up just does not jump in the trash to secure what they think may be evidence. He may have called it in regardless, but only someone really concerned with doing the right thing would go dig in the trash for that to protect it IMO.
Tow man's credibilty is high with me.
JMO.

[callmetree]

No you didn't...:lol:...nor did I say you did...

so true. but so much can be read into your posts.:lol:

[crymeariver2006]

The 8th of July.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

Pg 7


Sooooo, IMO 7/8 was well after Caylee went missing and Casey has the death penalty on her mind.

Why?

[~jomomma~]

does anybody know where casey is???

i'd love to be a little fly on the wall today! :big grin:

[SavannahStar]

so true. but so much can be read into your posts.:lol:


Ah.....that's what it is. I know I've been accused of reading stuff into other people's posts.......:lol:

[GrannyB]

I am reading Mr. Birch's statements right now and came back on just to comment on this fact! Geroge tells Birch AT THE TIME he is picking the car up that he...
1.-knows it was towed from the Amscot.
2.-knows it sat there three days.
How in the blazes would he know not only those two facts w/o Birch first telling him, AND know to bring gas? I think he or Lee had to haev been in contact with Casey when the letter was recieved...maybe after the fight that the car towing brought on, she just turned off her phone or refused to answer it to them and thus Cindy came searching for her...???...something fishy for certain about georges comments at the tow yard!
And the description of the odor...I think we can now see that it was nasty, but seemed to be mostly contained inside the car. How the HECK did George drive that car home?...what went through his head?
JMO...BBL...reading more...

I had those same questions? I think it backs up Cindy saying her father was going to get the car. But then he didn't. My head hurts.:shrug:

[SavannahStar]

I'm puzzled by the 2 million movie deal...

WHY would Lifetime, which is jointly owned by DISNEY pay for a movie about a DEAD child...

:confused:

There IS no 2 million movie deal. Or ANY movie deal. That has been verified. Lifetime has denied this.

[callmetree]

Ah.....that's what it is. I know I've been accused of reading stuff into other people's posts.......:lol:

my point exactly:biggrin:

[OneUp]

Off the current topics...has anyone ever came up with any idea as to who "Na-Naw" might be?

[SavannahStar]

Off the current topics...has anyone ever came up with any idea as to who "Na-Naw" might be?

Where is that mentioned?

[GrannyB]

Off the current topics...has anyone ever came up with any idea as to who "Na-Naw" might be?

I need to go buy another computer to hold all the questions we have.
I'd already forgotten about Na-Naw. Wonder what Caylee called Cindy's mom.

[OneUp]

Reading the computer forensics portions...If Casey's service on her phone wa DC'e on 7/29, would the phone service provider delete all of her records at thattime? it seems they have had trouble retrieving her end of the records...???

[jakee]

Off the current topics...has anyone ever came up with any idea as to who "Na-Naw" might be?

I have no freaking clue. :)

[babblefishie]

Wow Simon Burch -- the tow guy seems like a genuinely nice, compassionate and astute man! I'm very saddened as I read this but glad that someone like him was involved with the case. What a great witness.
:rose:Caylee

[steffaroob4]

This is very damning evidence....




Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez
A keyword search for "Zenaida" was conducted on the HP desktop computer. The
following files are records of web pages indicating that someone was searching
for that name on the Internet.

Name: casey@www.reunion[2].txt
Description: File, Archive
File Created: 07/16/08 06:21:17AM
Last Accessed: 07/16/08 06:21:27AM
Last Written: 07/16/08 06:21:27AM
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Documents and Settings\casey\Cookies\casey@www.reunion[2].txt
zenaida


Name: history.dat
Description: File, Archive
File Created: 10/22/07 01:13:21PM
Last Accessed: 07/16/08 12:03:24PM
Last Written: 07/16/08 12:03:24PM
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Documents and Settings\casey\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\mfhaxjkl.default\his tory.dat
http://friends.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewfriends\ =203461948897ec12-9984-4944-b65e-
6dcef3d5a590=zenaida
Name: index.dat
Description: File, Archive


File Created: 06/12/08 11:15:29PM
Last Accessed: 06/12/08 11:15:29PM
Last Written: 07/16/08 04:20:12PM
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Documents and Settings\casey\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\index.dat
http://clk.atdmt.com/RUC/go/whtpgreu0210000164ruc/direct;at.rucreu00001670;ct.1/01?dispatch=show
SearchRegistration&action=peopleSearch_wp_resultcount&city=&mname=&peopleSearchFrom=wp&affiliate
id=131&searchFirstName=zenaida&searchLastName=Gonzalez&searchAge=25
Name: index.dat
Description: File, Archive
File Created: 06/12/08 11:15:29PM
Last Accessed: 06/12/08 11:15:29PM
Last Written: 07/16/08 04:20:12PM
Full Path: 08-069208\S013J10X237614\D\Documents and Settings\casey\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\index.dat
http://preview.ussearch.com/preview/ala/newsearch?&searchLName=Fernandez&searchState=FL&searchCi
ty=jacksonville&searchFName=Zenaida&adID=303014F936&adsource=8&TID=0&cid=people&searchtab=people
·ð-·newsearch[2]


I am confused, was this caseys laptop or the family's computer?

[Rebel Rouzer]

Thanks so much!! I can't wait to hear Cindys interview!

Murt is playing her interview now on ustream. I had to close out for a bit.

[OneUp]

Where is that mentioned?That is referred to in Willaim Waters interview...a text her recieved from Casey.
I'll look it up later when I get the new info. read if you ( or anyone) would like.
His statments are pretty short though.
I thought it an odd nic. and that is the only time I have heard it referenced by anyone, so it stuck out...none of the names I know make sense for this to be a nic. of a friend...It's not another drug reference maybe?
I'm sure he spelled it right as it was a text.
The little oddities like that really stick out for me
JMO...
Let me know if anyone has trouble finding it.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Off the current topics...has anyone ever came up with any idea as to who "Na-Naw" might be?

Not positive but I think it's what Caylee may have called Cindy. I think we will find out through Cindy's interview if it is. IMO

[OneUp]

I have no freaking clue. :)Join the club! The more i think I know...the more i find out i have forgotten...I am def. going to have to start a notebook on this information. If I had the Green, I'd buy the transcripts!
ETA: Have we heard of Eric Baker prior? There isn't any interview of or pertaining to him that I've seen...maybe the brown haired guy in the truck?...a potential witness to things relating to the homicide charges?...a drug connection?...

[steffaroob4]

Oh yes, and especially if it turns out that Victor Fernandez is indeed listed as an owner of the silver Ford that the real ZG drives.
How does one get ZFG name if step father was Victor Fernandez.
Wouldn't make her name Zenaida Gonazolez-Fernandez?