thursday9/25 Afternoon Thread/Day 101

[Rayosunshine]

I don't even think Casey was there.

Cry, you might have a point there.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[luvinlife]

I definitely agree with you on this. Could you imagine being in her shoes? I think believing Casey's bundle of lies is a better outcome for her than what her heart must really know. At this point, I think she might even have convinced herself that Casey is telling the truth just to keep away the guilt and pain that comes with the knowledge of the real truth.
JMO


I totally agree, the pain would be unbearable.

[kakax]

OMG.........I am so waiting for Cindy`s statement with LE AND if she is ever deposed as part of Zaneida`s civil trial!!.........

I understand all this about airing dirty laundry but we have to look at the BIG picture hear......CAYLEE is missing.....Cindy just found out at the point she made the comments I mentioned (besides gas can)......SHE NEEDED MEDIA......SHE NEEDED THEM TO BELEIVE HER....why even make statements like that when they could easily be disproved??.......I would be at my most honest and genuine point and why not just say I do not know instead of trying to blindly disprove ANYTHING that makes Casey look bad.

AND she has contiued to do this......it is just all COVER-UP.......and I can easily make the leap in my mind that she did other things we do not know yet........like cleaning that car maybe with the CH?


I completely get what you are saying. I think Cindy basically knew from day 31 that Caylee was dead. She never really felt like she needed the media. I too agree that it is all a cover up.

Have you been able to see NG this week and the new story about the mother of the 4 kids on the run with them. The grandmother was on tv saying what a great mother she was and how she would never harm her children....yet she had kidnapped them.

Not sure what it is, but these grandmother's go into protective mode for their children.

I hope one day that Cindy and George will wake up, but I don't think they want to or ever will.

[SavannahStar]

I think that Cindy had been a pushover with Casey, but I think Cindy was starting to put the pressure on Casey because either GA was sick of it or per the rumored councilors advice. This is why I think Cindy seems to have so much guilt, if she would have just kept up the let Casey get away with everything, Caylee may still be here. I think that is what makes her unable/unwilling to believe Caylee is dead. JMHO

Very perceptive, I agree with that, luvinlife.

[rosejustrose]

ITA, Rose, and BTW, hi....didn't see you posting today unless I missed it. :seeya:

In the very beginning, for some reason, I just couldn't stand George. I thought he was such a wuss. A real spineless guy and not much of a husband/father. Now I don't see his "role" in the family much less than that, but I sure sympathize a lot more with him now than I ever did. I realize that's a minority opinion. I think the man is close to losing his health and sanity. I think he really loved Caylee so much.


Hi SS! ITA. I think George has been the on periphery of this family for a very long time. I do think he genuinely loved Caylee because she was way too young to be judgemental. JMO.

[BobbysGirl]

oh my sorry about your dtr...:rose:

Thank you. Her/him post touched a very sensitive nerve. Wounds don't heal.

BG

[barskin&co.]

ITA...I've been asking and asking....where was Caylee staying from June 2nd - June 15th at night? Roomies have said she wasn't there-and that Casey lied and said she was with ZFG. Was she, or was she not, with the GPs during that time EVERY night?

I guess no one's said yet?

From June 2 - 15 Caylee was at home, at Hopespring Drive, I would assume. like most every other night. Casey only needed a sitter at night when George and Cindy were out, and in that case, she often brought Caylee along to sleep in some friend's place.
When Amy brought Cindy to confront Casey she overheard Cindy getting mad at Casey, because of a picture she found on the computer of Casey at the "no clothes" party. She said to Casey "you were working, huh?" Apparently Casey would use "working late" as a good excuse to make sure G & C stayed in with Caylee while she went out and partied.

[crymeariver2006]

ITA...I've been asking and asking....where was Caylee staying from June 2nd - June 15th at night? Roomies have said she wasn't there-and that Casey lied and said she was with ZFG. Was she, or was she not, with the GPs during that time EVERY night?

I guess no one's said yet?

IMO, she was with the GP's. They (or Cindy) found out that she wasn't working. All those nights of babysitting and Casey coming in at all hours, plus stealing the money from the Great Grandmother would, IMO, lead up to one helluva Father's Day weekend ruckus.

[SavannahStar]

I definitely agree with you on this. Could you imagine being in her shoes? I think believing Casey's bundle of lies is a better outcome for her than what her heart must really know. At this point, I think she might even have convinced herself that Casey is telling the truth just to keep away the guilt and pain that comes with the knowledge of the real truth.
JMO

:eek: That is SO exactly how I think!!!!!!

Whoa.

I've said it, but not in those words. :beer:

[trich]

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this... in one of those documents (I think it was the AL one) they said that her (Casey's) mother had called her and told her to come home and take care of the baby. So, she had to leave and was upset about it.
I think her mom tried to make her responsible by forcing her to come home and not be out partying. If her mom would have been a bit of a push over, (nope, not blaming Cindy here) and just kept Caylee and let Casey do whatever she wanted, then this might not even be news. :(
JMO


So many young women do not realize that once you become a parent
your life changes.
Your child should come first and your wants and needs second.
Some think that their life style should not have to change...well it doesn't work that way . You life will never be the same .
Especially if you are a single parent also.
I don't know why that is so hard to grasp.
Take responsibility for this young life and do your best to give your child a good life.

[hamebone]

Hi there hamebone! :seeya:
I'm here. Thanks for action and here's the link:

Please light a Candle for Caylee

click any unlit candle to begin

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:


There you are!! I'm on and off & up and down...cant keep up...:seeya:THANKS FOR The LINK!

[GrannyB]

Just curious. Since you believe they don't know the meaning of love, why do you think Cindy and George are protecting Casey?


I don't know if I would call it protecting Casey. Could be they are protecting one another and know Casey is so screwed up they figure she will end up in a mental hospital and not jail. All I know is Cindy is the one running the show in that house. All I want is for the one who did this to Caylee to pay the penalty. I don't care if I'm right or wrong on who did it.

[kakax]

ITA...I've been asking and asking....where was Caylee staying from June 2nd - June 15th at night? Roomies have said she wasn't there-and that Casey lied and said she was with ZFG. Was she, or was she not, with the GPs during that time EVERY night?

I guess no one's said yet?


Cindy in a recent rage said that everytime Caylee wasn't with Casey, she was with her. I immediately thought, well what about the Nanny?

I assume that that is Cindy's story and she is going to stick to it.

[Rayosunshine]

Can you explain why, if Cindy murdered Caylee, you think that George and Lee would agree to going along with Casey taking the blame and facing a murder charge?

Did Cindy, George and Lee all hate Caylee, and all hate Casey that much?

And why would Casey be willing to go to prison for the rest of her life because her mother killed her daughter? Did she hate Caylee too? Is she so grateful to Cindy for killing Caylee she's willing to face prison?

Wonder if the A's still have family in Ohio? Did LE check there?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Rebel Rouzer]

I completely get what you are saying. I think Cindy basically knew from day 31 that Caylee was dead. She never really felt like she needed the media. I too agree that it is all a cover up.

Have you been able to see NG this week and the new story about the mother of the 4 kids on the run with them. The grandmother was on tv saying what a great mother she was and how she would never harm her children....yet she had kidnapped them.

Not sure what it is, but these grandmother's go into protective mode for their children.

I hope one day that Cindy and George will wake up, but I don't think they want to or ever will.

Hi kakax I wanted to thank you for the list earlier today.

[warrkat]

Warrkat..
Be safe!! And yea..."her light bulb went OUT"...wth ?!?! This is painful!

thanks... I made it home, only a few minutes later than usual. I live near the beach in NC, but tonight, it sounds like an Ohio rain or snow storm. Gotta go back now and catch up on my reading.

Thanks

[hamebone]

I completely get what you are saying. I think Cindy basically knew from day 31 that Caylee was dead. She never really felt like she needed the media. I too agree that it is all a cover up.

Have you been able to see NG this week and the new story about the mother of the 4 kids on the run with them. The grandmother was on tv saying what a great mother she was and how she would never harm her children....yet she had kidnapped them.

Not sure what it is, but these grandmother's go into protective mode for their children.

I hope one day that Cindy and George will wake up, but I don't think they want to or ever will.


I think they will wake up KK...but I think it will be a slow painful awakening...they need to seek mental health...help. I know, I would.

[Snewpy]

Good evening everyone... I just finished wading through the 600 docs... and thought I'd post while I could still read the computer screen.. I'm bleary eyed.

I haven't had a chance to read backward yet... what is y'all's opinion regarding Jesse's statement he heard Caylee in the background during that phone conversation with Casey on the 24th?

I know there is a second interview where he says he can't be 100% sure.. but he sure sounded certain all the same.

Just wondering...

TIA...

[crymeariver2006]

Well, in Lee's email she became 26, 5'7", 140lbs, with "no tattoos visible from a 2 piece bathing suit." Okay, let's go find her!


That's correct! Thank you!

Where were the tattoos then?

:eek:

[Joan Weiss]

Or Casey looked it up ordered and tried to clean the car ...she had a month...but it would show up in a credit card transaction. I dont think she could of got it online with a COD....unless she made her own and tried to clean the car. ...but where would she had mixed it all up?....she was living with others.

I wish we knew more about the date the chloroform sites where looked at.

The chloroform has me puzzled..Are you saying she knew there was going to be a mess in the car, and a terrible odor? I really don't think so.

I think she planned to get rid of her parents. When the fight happened, she got rid of Caylee instead. She was in a corner. A corner she couldn't get out of. No job, no place to stay with Caylee, just a boyfriend she could play for her own needs. imo

[StickyBeak]

I can't imagine Cindy has anything to do with Caylees demise or disappearance. I believe she truly loved that little girl, maybe too much in Caseys eyes, jelously. Cindy and George may have had enough of Caseys antics which we wont know because juvey records are sealed. Cindy could very well have accused her daughter of being unfit, Cindy and george had to step up to the plate to compensate for Caylees welfare, in their own way. Casey I think just held Caylee as a weapon against her parents, she knew they would always provide the best for Caylee. Clearly they did, the pool, playhouse, her own room, who knows if they also provided medical care. I am not excusing the Anthonys in this, but obviously they have helped their children both by providing a vechicle. I think both Lee and Casey just expected it, pulled the parents strings like puppets. Lee, I have no faith in as I did in the beginning. Casey, to me is a lost cause. I have listened to the tapes of Jesse and Tony, these guys sound very sincere and reputable, how sad they must feel to now know this wild chick was capable of such dispicable self serving behavior, her stealing, lying and now the inexplainable loss of a little child. I commend them for speaking honestly to LE. I am still shocked that CA would open tell people to get off their a$$es and look for an alive Caylee, while she does nothing.
You can't choke Casey, burn her at the stake, because we will never know where Caylee is. Kudos to LE, I pray they have the way and means to bring that little sweet girl home. JMO
Rant over. Just too much.

[GrannyB]

Cindy in a recent rage said that everytime Caylee wasn't with Casey, she was with her. I immediately thought, well what about the Nanny?

I assume that that is Cindy's story and she is going to stick to it.

Cindy's stories don't seem to stick for very long. I started wondering about those dates when Jesse mentioned it in his interview.

[Unperson1984]

I don't know what the motive is for defying all logic and reasonable evidence that has been brought before us thus far but I wish you well on your journey for truth. However you may get there or whatever truth that may be for you. I on the other hand totally disagree with the theory Cindy had anything to do with Caylee Anthony's disappereance or death.

I plan on following the case to find out how and why but it's pretty much exoteric knowledge as to WHO
killed little Caylee Anthony. In my opinion.


I share your opinion. :seeya:

[kakax]

TY Kakax..I've missed you, too.
I had to take a break from the boards...nothing was getting done or cleaned. It's a black hole in here, yanno. LOL I just get sucked in and before I know it, it's past bedtime, there are dishes in the sink, I haven't eaten and there are no clean clothes to wear to work.

I'm caught up for a day or two now, though. :beer:

And, does Casey strike you as a girl who'd have a huge fight with mommy and still spend the night under her roof? Naw, me neither. It didn't happen

ROFL! I am a Fly Lady Baby... I do 15 minutes on, then 15 minutes off until I get the house cleaned LOL!!

Umm yea, I have no trouble believing Miss F Bomb grabbed her daughter and high tailed it out of that house.

[Nellie]

Oh my, I just listened to Lee's tape! How bizarre!!!!! It's really different to "hear" it versus "read" it. The biggest thing sticking out to me is the laughter! ARe these people braindead! There is a little girl possibly kidnapped/dead and he's laughing all through it and almost acting like he's really enjoying all of this! And talking about dead squirrels crawling up in the car! What a visual!!!! And I personally don't think he helped Casey or his parents in this tape! He was just downright wierd!!!! I gotta go digest this!

This is the strangest family I've ever seen....oh wait, no it's not! While I was listening to his tape my nephew by marriage came to mind!...along with his sister and his mom. Omigosh I know people like this! Not the murdering part.....but the weirdness! He would have totally been "into" this conversation too!

And Lee....did he have any feelings for Caylee at all? Because they sure didn't come through in this tape! He could have been talking about a "lost sandwich" and had as much emotion. Omigosh what kind of life did poor little Caylee have even when she was alive???? Did ANYONE care about her? I am just sadder than I was before.

[st777jo]

So many young women do not realize that once you become a parent
your life changes.
Your child should come first and your wants and needs second.
Some think that their life style should not have to change...well it doesn't work that way . You life will never be the same .
Especially if you are a single parent also.
I don't know why that is so hard to grasp.
Take responsibility for this young life and do your best to give your child a good life.


I do agree but I think having a controlling and/or interfering parent can put a big damper on the family dynamics. I sometimes think that grandparents forget they didn't know it all when they first became a parent. I know all to well. jmo, jo

[rj1212]

Hi folks! :seeya:

I respectfully disagree with those who are trying to "understand" Cindy Anthony's denial peppered with mistruths along the way...

The truth IS too painful, yes, but it is only prolonging the agony of the inevitable when one decides to coddle a monster. Not protecting, but coddling and enabling a monster. It's despicable, and I believe ANYONE who assisted the monster in covering up this heinous crime should serve time for a long time. IMO...

[bcrmom]

Hi SS! ITA. I think George has been the on periphery of this family for a very long time. I do think he genuinely loved Caylee because she was way too young to be judgemental. JMO.

George? He's an ottoman. Nothing more, nothing less.

Oh, wait. He doubles as a Gnome Waterer. A great job he does at that, too.

Who wouldn't love that little girl? (Don't answer that. LOL)

I really thing GA and CA loved that little girl as if she were their own. But they don't truly understand love, or they wouldn't be covering up for Casey and tossing Caylee under the bus.

[kakax]

and seriously - do you think Baez believes ANYTHING she says to him? He must know she is a complete liar.



I really wonder if he talks to her at all about this case. I have heard defense attys say they would rather not know and can defend a case by the files they get from LE.

[GrannyB]

Who do you think was raped and by whom? :shrug:


Read the post I was responding to.

[MyrDawn]

So many young women do not realize that once you become a parent
your life changes.
Your child should come first and your wants and needs second.
Some think that their life style should not have to change...well it doesn't work that way . You life will never be the same .
Especially if you are a single parent also.
I don't know why that is so hard to grasp.
Take responsibility for this young life and do your best to give your child a good life.

It's obvious Casey never wanted the responsibility of a child. It's just too damn bad Cindy didn't let Casey put Caylee up for adoption when she was born, like she wanted to.
JMO

[Joan Weiss]

:seeya: peeps!

I haven't been around in daaaaays. DRAMA! Will fill you in later.


Question though: What happened on Monday when the HOA went back to court? Did they get the injunction to move the Lawn Gnomes of Fury down to the vacant lot?


TIANo. It was denied. No explanation was published.

[SavannahStar]

I completely get what you are saying. I think Cindy basically knew from day 31 that Caylee was dead. She never really felt like she needed the media. I too agree that it is all a cover up.

*snipped the middle*

I hope one day that Cindy and George will wake up, but I don't think they want to or ever will.

But do you really think it's a sinister, willful cover-up? A "throwing away" of Caylee? A conscious criminal action?

I really don't. I go along with what Deb posted. I do believe they "know" (but I say "in their heart"......"in their subconscious") that Caylee is dead. And, at the hands of their daughter. But I don't think they can really grasp that, in a real way. Others have said they know they lost their granddaughter and now all they have left is their daughter. I almost am to the point of believing that Casey has them truly believing one of her off-the-wall stories about what happened. Because they simply cannot face the truth. Almost like a fugue state. I know that's a stretch, of course they are not to that degree....but similar.

We all talk about how difficult it is to lose a loved one. Then compound that to losing a loved one by murder. And THEN, compound that again by having one loved one murder the other loved one. I simply cannot imagine that, ever. It's beyond my comprehension how a person can live with that. And compound it further that the murdered one is a sweet, innocent child, your granddaughter....and the murderer is your OWN child.

How horrific is that? And we expect Cindy to go on national TV and say, "oh my daughter killed my granddaughter"??? Own up to the truth? Oy vey. A better person than me maybe.........:(

[Unperson1984]

I completely get what you are saying. I think Cindy basically knew from day 31 that Caylee was dead. She never really felt like she needed the media. I too agree that it is all a cover up.

Have you been able to see NG this week and the new story about the mother of the 4 kids on the run with them. The grandmother was on tv saying what a great mother she was and how she would never harm her children....yet she had kidnapped them.

Not sure what it is, but these grandmother's go into protective mode for their children.

I hope one day that Cindy and George will wake up, but I don't think they want to or ever will.

I think she knows in her mind, but her heart isn't ready to follow. And you're right, she may never be able to accept the truth.

[barskin&co.]

Oh my, I just listened to Lee's tape! How bizarre!!!!! It's really different to "hear" it versus "read" it. The biggest thing sticking out to me is the laughter! ARe these people braindead! There is a little girl possibly kidnapped/dead and he's laughing all through it and almost acting like he's really enjoying all of this! And talking about dead squirrels crawling up in the car! What a visual!!!! And I personally don't think he helped Casey or his parents in this tape! He was just downright wierd!!!! I gotta go digest this!

This is the strangest family I've ever seen....oh wait, no it's not! While I was listening to his tape my nephew by marriage came to mind!...along with his sister and his mom. Omigosh I know people like this! Not the murdering part.....but the weirdness! He would have totally been "into" this conversation too!

And Lee....did he have any feelings for Caylee at all? Because they sure didn't come through in this tape! He could have been talking about a "lost sandwich" and had as much emotion. Omigosh what kind of life did poor little Caylee have even when she was alive???? Did ANYONE care about her? I am just sadder than I was before.

He has always sounded like that when he has talked to the media, too. It is shocking, isn't it? Caylee is his niece, the daughter of the sister he is supposed to be so close to. Now, Cindy and George, with all ther craziness and misdirected anger, exhibit raw emotions, but Lee...yikes.

[SavannahStar]

George? He's an ottoman. Nothing more, nothing less.

Oh, wait. He doubles as a Gnome Waterer. A great job he does at that, too.

Who wouldn't love that little girl? (Don't answer that. LOL)

I really thing GA and CA loved that little girl as if she were their own. But they don't truly understand love, or they wouldn't be covering up for Casey and tossing Caylee under the bus.

:mad: Real love is not CHOOSING. IMO.

They are between a rock and a hard place. And that's trite but true.

[kakax]

But do you really think it's a sinister, willful cover-up? A "throwing away" of Caylee? A conscious criminal action?

I really don't. I go along with what Deb posted. I do believe they "know" (but I say "in their heart"......"in their subconscious") that Caylee is dead. And, at the hands of their daughter. But I don't think they can really grasp that, in a real way. Others have said they know they lost their granddaughter and now all they have left is their daughter. I almost am to the point of believing that Casey has them truly believing one of her off-the-wall stories about what happened. Because they simply cannot face the truth. Almost like a fugue state. I know that's a stretch, of course they are not to that degree....but similar.

We all talk about how difficult it is to lose a loved one. Then compound that to losing a loved one by murder. And THEN, compound that again by having one loved one murder the other loved one. I simply cannot imagine that, ever. It's beyond my comprehension how a person can live with that. And compound it further that the murdered one is a sweet, innocent child, your granddaughter....and the murderer is your OWN child.

How horrific is that? And we expect Cindy to go on national TV and say, "oh my daughter killed my granddaughter"??? Own up to the truth? Oy vey. A better person than me maybe.........:(


I'll get back to you on that after I read Cindy's statements to police, whenever that may be.

[bcrmom]

From June 2 - 15 Caylee was at home, at Hopespring Drive, I would assume. like most every other night. Casey only needed a sitter at night when George and Cindy were out, and in that case, she often brought Caylee along to sleep in some friend's place.
When Amy brought Cindy to confront Casey she overheard Cindy getting mad at Casey, because of a picture she found on the computer of Casey at the "no clothes" party. She said to Casey "you were working, huh?" Apparently Casey would use "working late" as a good excuse to make sure G & C stayed in with Caylee while she went out and partied.

IMO, she was with the GP's. They (or Cindy) found out that she wasn't working. All those nights of babysitting and Casey coming in at all hours, plus stealing the money from the Great Grandmother would, IMO, lead up to one helluva Father's Day weekend ruckus.

Cindy in a recent rage said that everytime Caylee wasn't with Casey, she was with her. I immediately thought, well what about the Nanny?

I assume that that is Cindy's story and she is going to stick to it.

I agree with you, Kakax..she's stickin' to that "story".

I'm not going with that assumption that Caylee was with the GPs for a couple of reasons:
1) Casey was telling the roomies that Caylee was with ZFG. If she was with the GPs, why wouldn't she just say that? Besides the fact that she lies about EVERYthing..It doesn't make sense, even in her twisted world.

2) She said Caylee was taken on the 9th at first. CA wouldn't remember staying home with Caylee every night for those two weeks? I know she claims she was confused on the dates but I don't believe her. Not a bit.

I

[aubrey04]

I am still listening to Lee's interview. Sometimes I think he's beind honest.. sometimes I think he's covering for Casey.. but he keeps talking about the STANK in Casey's car... that is such damning info, IMO.

Before hearing the interview - I chalked his chuckles as nervous laughter.. That's probably what his laughs are about but they are skeeving me out listening to this right now... Strange.

[Squeekie]

The chloroform thing is so weird that in my own mind I am just going to tuck it back there somewhere (where thoughts of housework and things like that usually reside) lol until it comes out what the chloroform connection is...I just don't think it can be factored in, and may hold no importance at all in the end. I am sticking with my inattentive casey letting caylee drown....ending with the body going over the side of the bridge into lake Jessop. JMO, took me a long time and many sleepless evenings sorting it out and this is what I am comfortable with right now. Of course I could be and probably am wrong. This is one of the most exasperating cases....jmo

I keep coming back to the thought that chloroform was used to knock Caylee out and keep her quiet and sleeping in the car on nights that Cindy or 'the nanny' supposedly had her. I don't think it was used as a cleaning chemical at all. jmo

[st777jo]

I think she knows in her mind, but her heart isn't ready to follow. And you're right, she may never be able to accept the truth.

I understand this but I am having a really hard time with them wondering and thinking, after all the time thats passed, and with Casey sitting right there,

Where is Caylee?

[Pruddennce]

EXACTLY.........I do not think the Anthonys up to the point of the 911 calls were involved in Caylee's disappearance.

After those 911 calls is another storey. It appears once they realized Casey could be in serious trouble with LE........they went into protect Casey mode. At least we know with the media they did. First with the Bamboo storey with Cindy telling us all the shovel was borrowed way before Caylee was missing even though she had told LE something different with the dates of her disappearance.

It is not so hard for me the believe that Cindy was doing other things behind the scenes such as pertaining to the clean-up of that car. She even tried to say the gas cans report never happened......nor she said did a fight with Casey ever happen just prior to Casey and Caylee leaving. WHY??.....

why? dirty laundry. but this is the epitome of stretching a story till it snaps.

as evidenced by the released statements.

what a bad move on their part.

and now, well in my opinion, they have compromised their integrity and honesty. I cant go forward with them knowing they went to such lengths to paint a pretty picture of their daughter, who was out partying, dancing, getting a tatoo, stealing, texting, yappin on her puter, her phone, cooking dinners, going from apt to apt, bunking, NO JOB for the last 2 years, lunching, and finally:

"that's all they care about is getting caylee back"

who can get past that statement?

the anthonys are within their legal rights to say whatever they want to the press. its how LE has interpreted their formal statements and what their investigation yields in connection with their statements.

but the crux of the matter is: a child is missing and IMO they did nothing to further the investigation, did nothing to further their cause, to find Caylee.

they were busy doing sit-downs and in defense mode on behalf of their daughter. and that is why the world at large are not in their corner. they misrepresented the situation....

people do 'get it' when presented with a story of a 'troubled individual'...but now, no one gets it because they chose to cover up their troubles with mistruths and false pretenses.

its a mess. and a child is still missing. and IMO dead.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[GrannyB]

:mad: Real love is not CHOOSING. IMO.

They are between a rock and a hard place. And that's trite but true.

I agree. If Casey harmed Caylee I can understand the Anthony's still loving her. I have no problem with that. You can be angry and hurt by your children but it doesn't change your love for them. However if you love your child you must make them take responsibility for their actions. And you would want justice for Caylee. That would be loving them both.

[kitty1182]

Gotta go get ready for NG..See you all in a bit:seeya:

[SavannahStar]

No they're not. They are giving refuge to the woman who killed their defenseless granddaughter to spite them.


Whatever. Your mind is made up without letting this play out to the end. I respect your opinion. I hope you're not ever in that type of situation. Most of us never will be, thank God.

(BTW, "killed their defenseless granddaughter to spite them"? We haven't had the trial yet. Wonder if the pros. will agree with you as to motive. Remains to be seen. IF there even is a trial. I'm beginning to wonder at this point.)

[SavannahStar]

I keep coming back to the thought that chloroform was used to knock Caylee out and keep her quiet and sleeping in the car on nights that Cindy or 'the nanny' supposedly had her. I don't think it was used as a cleaning chemical at all. jmo

I keep coming back to whosever statement(s) it was saying Casey always had someone watching Caylee.

[MyrDawn]

Cindy in a recent rage said that everytime Caylee wasn't with Casey, she was with her. I immediately thought, well what about the Nanny?

I assume that that is Cindy's story and she is going to stick to it.

Stick to it until one of them comes up with a better story...
JMO

[st777jo]

why? dirty laundry. but this is the epitome of stretching a story till it snaps.

as evidenced by the released statements.

what a bad move on their part.

and now, well in my opinion, they have compromised their integrity and honesty. I cant go forward with them knowing they went to such lengths to paint a pretty picture of their daughter, who was out partying, dancing, getting a tatoo, stealing, texting, yappin on her puter, her phone, cooking dinners, going from apt to apt, bunking, NO JOB for the last 2 years, lunching, and finally:

"that's all they care about is getting caylee back"

who can get past that statement?

the anthonys are within their legal rights to say whatever they want to the press. its how LE has interpreted their formal statements and what their investigation yields in connection with their statements.

but the crux of the matter is: a child is missing and IMO they did nothing to further the investigation, did nothing to further their cause, to find Caylee.

they were busy doing sit-downs and in defense mode on behalf of their daughter. and that is why the world at large are not in their corner. they misrepresented the situation....

people do 'get it' when presented with a story of a 'troubled individual'...but now, no one gets it because they chose to cover up their troubles with mistruths and false pretenses.

its a mess. and a child is still missing. and IMO dead.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Thats it in a nutshell. Thanks

[~jomomma~]

re: the cholorform

we just don't know enough about it yet!

haven't we heard it was just a trace AND that there was so much you could smell it?

if there was alot, i say it was used in cleaning up the trunk.

[SavannahStar]

I agree. If Casey harmed Caylee I can understand the Anthony's still loving her. I have no problem with that. You can be angry and hurt by your children but it doesn't change your love for them. However if you love your child you must make them take responsibility for their actions. And you would want justice for Caylee. That would be loving them both.


If that is true, do you think they are just not YET at that point? Perhaps we are expecting too much at this point in time from them?

[msjoni]

I agree. If Casey harmed Caylee I can understand the Anthony's still loving her. I have no problem with that. You can be angry and hurt by your children but it doesn't change your love for them. However if you love your child you must make them take responsibility for their actions. And you would want justice for Caylee. That would be loving them both.

Very well said!

[hamebone]

Are you saying she knew there was going to be a mess in the car, and a terrible odor? I really don't think so.

I think she planned to get rid of her parents. When the fight happened, she got rid of Caylee instead. She was in a corner. A corner she couldn't get out of. No job, no place to stay with Caylee, just a boyfriend she could play for her own needs. imo


Yes, she knew the car trunk was a mess, she is the one who put Caylee back there. Of course she had to smell it.

If Caylee died on the 15th/16th of June Casey wasnt confronted til the 15th of July....she had plenty of time to make or get chloroform to try and clean the trunk out...that is where LE source says they found the traces of chloroform the trunk..yes?

What are you talking about she didnt know there was going to be a mess or smell? Who said she had it before the 15th of June VS after she did the dirty deed.

We dont know when she got a hold of it....before she killed caylee or after...if after she was trying to clean the trunk IMO...If before she used it to kill Caylee perhaps ...and may have planned on taking the whole family out....

[bcrmom]

No they're not. They are giving refuge to the woman who killed their defenseless granddaughter to spite them.

Yep. Sometimes real love=tough love and letting someone pay for their actions.

[bluwaters]

So many young women do not realize that once you become a parent
your life changes.
Your child should come first and your wants and needs second.
Some think that their life style should not have to change...well it doesn't work that way . You life will never be the same .
Especially if you are a single parent also.
I don't know why that is so hard to grasp.
Take responsibility for this young life and do your best to give your child a good life.

I think that Casey did know that a baby would change her life.
She did not want to keep Caylee, but wanted to put her up for adoption.
Cindy pressured her into keeping the baby that Casey knew she was not equipped to raise.
Denial runs so deeply in this family.
Casey would not acknowledge to herself that she was pregnant until she was more than 1/2 through the pregnancy.

I am not excusing Casey.
It is my opinion that Casey killed Caylee.
She is an adult and she is responsible for her actions.

What a terrible shame that Caylee was not adopted by a loving family.

jmho

[Pruddennce]

I am still listening to Lee's interview. Sometimes I think he's beind honest.. sometimes I think he's covering for Casey.. but he keeps talking about the STANK in Casey's car... that is such damning info, IMO.

Before hearing the interview - I chalked his chuckles as nervous laughter.. That's probably what his laughs are about but they are skeeving me out listening to this right now... Strange.

LE led him on to believe he was 'an investigator'....they even refer to 'your investigation'....but they 'got his number', IMO.

he was smug and pompous. IMO

ahhhhh yes, giving a picture of the ugly dynamics, but then inserting himself in the investigation IMO was deliberate. he saw stuff on that computer, Im convinced of it.....stuff that would damage her credibility....

well, the point is moot.....it all shook out anyway.....despite his efforts....IMO of course that he made the effort to 'clean up' a few things to avoid 'a negative inference'.

IMO, he's arrogant.

best regards,
Pru

[ann10]

But do you really think it's a sinister, willful cover-up? A "throwing away" of Caylee? A conscious criminal action?

I really don't. I go along with what Deb posted. I do believe they "know" (but I say "in their heart"......"in their subconscious") that Caylee is dead. And, at the hands of their daughter. But I don't think they can really grasp that, in a real way. Others have said they know they lost their granddaughter and now all they have left is their daughter. I almost am to the point of believing that Casey has them truly believing one of her off-the-wall stories about what happened. Because they simply cannot face the truth. Almost like a fugue state. I know that's a stretch, of course they are not to that degree....but similar.

We all talk about how difficult it is to lose a loved one. Then compound that to losing a loved one by murder. And THEN, compound that again by having one loved one murder the other loved one. I simply cannot imagine that, ever. It's beyond my comprehension how a person can live with that. And compound it further that the murdered one is a sweet, innocent child, your granddaughter....and the murderer is your OWN child.

How horrific is that? And we expect Cindy to go on national TV and say, "oh my daughter killed my granddaughter"??? Own up to the truth? Oy vey. A better person than me maybe.........:(



While I think it's very possible that the parents are directly involved in a cover up, I think this is the more likely scenario.

I know for sure that under the same circumstances, my father would have defended me to the death, no matter how incriminating the evidence.

I'm just not sold on these parents being villains. imo.

[msgatorslayer]

Hi all. Anxious to hear the new audio files of Lee but I don't have time this evening. Just stopping in to see what is new. NG coming on and tonights the premire of CSI and ER. :D

[cantstandnuts]

But do you really think it's a sinister, willful cover-up? A "throwing away" of Caylee? A conscious criminal action?

I really don't. I go along with what Deb posted. I do believe they "know" (but I say "in their heart"......"in their subconscious") that Caylee is dead. And, at the hands of their daughter. But I don't think they can really grasp that, in a real way. Others have said they know they lost their granddaughter and now all they have left is their daughter. I almost am to the point of believing that Casey has them truly believing one of her off-the-wall stories about what happened. Because they simply cannot face the truth. Almost like a fugue state. I know that's a stretch, of course they are not to that degree....but similar.

We all talk about how difficult it is to lose a loved one. Then compound that to losing a loved one by murder. And THEN, compound that again by having one loved one murder the other loved one. I simply cannot imagine that, ever. It's beyond my comprehension how a person can live with that. And compound it further that the murdered one is a sweet, innocent child, your granddaughter....and the murderer is your OWN child.

How horrific is that? And we expect Cindy to go on national TV and say, "oh my daughter killed my granddaughter"??? Own up to the truth? Oy vey. A better person than me maybe.........:(

This bears repeating. :beer: SS

[st777jo]

If that is true, do you think they are just not YET at that point? Perhaps we are expecting too much at this point in time from them?

Wonder how Caylee feels???? To me, that should be their 1st priority. Casey can take care of herself. Caylee couldn't and can't.

[MyrDawn]

But do you really think it's a sinister, willful cover-up? A "throwing away" of Caylee? A conscious criminal action?

I really don't. I go along with what Deb posted. I do believe they "know" (but I say "in their heart"......"in their subconscious") that Caylee is dead. And, at the hands of their daughter. But I don't think they can really grasp that, in a real way. Others have said they know they lost their granddaughter and now all they have left is their daughter. I almost am to the point of believing that Casey has them truly believing one of her off-the-wall stories about what happened. Because they simply cannot face the truth. Almost like a fugue state. I know that's a stretch, of course they are not to that degree....but similar.

We all talk about how difficult it is to lose a loved one. Then compound that to losing a loved one by murder. And THEN, compound that again by having one loved one murder the other loved one. I simply cannot imagine that, ever. It's beyond my comprehension how a person can live with that. And compound it further that the murdered one is a sweet, innocent child, your granddaughter....and the murderer is your OWN child.

How horrific is that? And we expect Cindy to go on national TV and say, "oh my daughter killed my granddaughter"??? Own up to the truth? Oy vey. A better person than me maybe.........:(

I don't think they believe any of Casey's stories we've heard. I do think they know Caylee is dead and Casey has them convinced it was an accident. Or, they want to believe it was an accident. That way, they can justify standing by Casey to themselves.
JMO

[GrannyB]

If that is true, do you think they are just not YET at that point? Perhaps we are expecting too much at this point in time from them?

My problem with them is they aren't looking for Caylee, scream at those that do and then scream at us for not looking. If they really believed Casey's story why aren't they out there finding Caylee and showing us Casey is being truthful. And I don't think that would be expecting too much of them.

[bluwaters]

I understand this but I am having a really hard time with them wondering and thinking, after all the time thats passed, and with Casey sitting right there,

Where is Caylee?

I don't think that Casey is sitting right there. I think that Casey is staying as far away from from C&G as she possibly can. The tension in that household must be as thick as the wave of decomp odor from Casey's car.

jmho

[Joan Weiss]

I dont see how this girl will get anything. When the picture was shown to Casey she denied that being the nanny. Zenaida doesnt own rights to the ZFG name.Easy for you to say. I can't even respond to this.

[msgatorslayer]

:flamemad: How can Lee laugh like that about the smell!!!!! {shakes head} Hearing it is so much worse than reading he did it.

[GrannyB]

Wonder how Caylee feels???? To me, that should be their 1st priority. Casey can take care of herself. Caylee couldn't and can't.

That is so true. The whole bunch has failed Caylee.

[rj1212]

I keep coming back to the thought that chloroform was used to knock Caylee out and keep her quiet and sleeping in the car on nights that Cindy or 'the nanny' supposedly had her. I don't think it was used as a cleaning chemical at all. jmo

Squeekie, I tend to agree with you. That child had to be SOMEWHERE before her untimely death/disappearance. The selfishness of Casey would demand that she would do something like that. After all, it was either Casey having the opportunity to party OR having to stay WHEREVER and take care of her daughter...what do think Casey would choose, especially being free of the "grips" of Cindy?

[Rebel Rouzer]

I share your opinion. :seeya:

Hi doll. :seeya: Did you get to read through all the discovery documents yet? I'm still very anxious to get to read the rest of them at some point. Not sure we will get to if they take the evidence to Grand Jury.
Do you think they will do that prior to the November date for neglect charges?

[~jomomma~]

:flamemad: How can Lee laugh like that about the smell!!!!! {shakes head} Hearing it is so much worse than reading he did it.

i haven't listened to any of those tapes but just hearing it on NG...
omg!

[panokatana]

Just finished to listening to Lee's tape...and I agree...it's different hearing...as opposed to reading...

He says..."I offered to facilitate..." Hmmm...kind of odd...you know...like, if... for example, a poster would visit this site...using odd words that just do not seem appropriate for the level of conversation. ;) Poseur - esque.

(A light bulb went out...whatever type of lightbulb it was?) Uh...does he mean 40 watt, 60 watt? ;)

He also says..."Her repeating herself...actually....gave me enough time to let that sink in to me...and instead of getting completely worked up...)" Again, they both say a sentence...followed by the same sentence...just reworded. It's almost...too much talk to say so little. Wonder if they repeat themselves...because it gives them time to think of the next phase of their story.

He and Casey have such an odd dialogue for young people. It's almost...as if he were...reading something.

I sort of wish...LE wouldn't feed him things to say...

JMO

[rj1212]

i haven't listened to any of those tapes but just hearing it on NG...
omg!

Can you BELIEVE it??? :flamemad:

The smell was "atrocious"???

Naaah....pizza right??? squirrels???
:cuss:

[hamebone]

Just finished to listening to Lee's tape...and I agree...it's different hearing...as opposed to reading...

He says..."I offered to facilitate..." Hmmm...kind of odd...you know...like, if... for example, a poster would visit this site...using odd words that just do not seem appropriate for the level of conversation. ;) Poseur - esque.

(A light bulb went out...whatever type of lightbulb it was?) Uh...does he mean 40 watt, 60 watt? ;)

He also says..."Her repeating herself...actually....gave me enough time to let that sink in to me...and instead of getting completely worked up...)" Again, they both say a sentence...followed by the same sentence...just reworded. It's almost...too much talk to say so little. Wonder if they repeat themselves...because it gives them time to think of the next phase of their story.

He and Casey have such an odd dialogue for young people. It's almost...as if he were...reading something.

I sort of wish...LE wouldn't feed him things to say...

JMO

I agree he and Casey both have an odd way of saying things....

[SavannahStar]

re: the cholorform

we just don't know enough about it yet!

haven't we heard it was just a trace AND that there was so much you could smell it?

if there was alot, i say it was used in cleaning up the trunk.

I don't trust ANY of the chloroform info yet. Not one bit. I have to have some proof.

[ann10]

Anyone have an opinion as to what these emails might be about?

[kakax]

I think Casey's mea culpa to her earlier crimes is meant to deflect from her guilt in the most recent.


And the Psychiatrist on NG just confirmed what you are saying!! You smarty!!!

[SavannahStar]

I remember hearing NG saying that the cholorform smell was "overpowering", would the cholorform smell overpower the decomp smell?


NG said that, I don't recall that coming from LE or "sources" :rolleyes:. I have to be careful what I say here. Some people get really perturbed if you say anything against NG. I just don't take what she says on her show as truth necessarily. I have seen otherwise.

[Unperson1984]

If that is true, do you think they are just not YET at that point? Perhaps we are expecting too much at this point in time from them?


I think that's very possible.

[GrannyB]

Well no matter how we feel about Cindy and George covering up for Casey, I think we can all agree the Civil suit now filed by ZG will be very interesting. Wonder what will happen when Cindy and George are disposed under oath? They are not the ones being sued her but that could be easily changed by what they say in regards to this case. So far we have not heard either of them under oath, Now THAT is what I want to see.

I don't see how this lawsuit can go anywhere. Zg says she doesn't know Caylee, Caylee say this Zg isn't the one. And there are hundreds out there with the same name. I don't get it

[Pruddennce]

I don't think they believe any of Casey's stories. I do think they know Caylee is dead and Casey has them convinced it was an accident. Or, they want to believe it was an accident. That way, they can justify standing by Casey to themselves.
JMO

IMO, Casey has not uttered ONE WORD regarding an accident. no way.

She has her story, and that's that. sheesh, even when she was being pulled apart by LE that she was no longer employed there, since 2006, she was unshakeable.....no job, so why is there all of this nanny talk?

she doesnt care it doesnt connect....ok, so the bottom fell out about the job......still sticking to the story.

....although of late, rumours are she has changed the circumstances of the 'abduction' and included an accomplice.

IMO, and I agree with Savannah, I would never expect someone to come on national tv and utter these words: we think she killed her. (with regard to their own child and the victim being a grandchild)

I would be shocked.

I would not be shocked or concerned about silence which would have served them better and let the world guess with regards to feelings; they publically denied the persona that is their daughter, to downplay her utter disregard for her own child's well-being....(jailhouse call)......their statements to LE, primarily George, who stated in the documents 'he was afraid his daughter was holding back information'........

those are the facts that count.

I dont hold them accountable at all for this situation: but neither do I dont hold them anywhere near a sympathetic flame. they did nothing to further the investigation PUBLICALLY. all they did was talk about themselves and defend their daughter.

caylee, she was called the "MAIN FOCUS" over and over again but nothing they said focused on HER, THE VICTIM.

even when Cindy had the press view her room, it was ALL ABOUT CINDY and her decorating and her arts and crafts.

Ive been done 'listening' to them and Im making an effort to stay focused on their statements to LE...and all other interviewed witnesses.

their personas give me a headache. :cool:

best regards,
Pru

[GrannyB]

NG said that, I don't recall that coming from LE or "sources" :rolleyes:. I have to be careful what I say here. Some people get really perturbed if you say anything against NG. I just don't take what she says on her show as truth necessarily. I have seen otherwise.

I can't believe I'm watching her right now.

[BobbysGirl]

IMO, there is alot more that Tone told LE that wasn't released. In the audio tape at the beginning, the detective states that this was just to clear up some things that had been said previously.

Remember on NG, his roomate saying that the guys weren't too happy about the thought of Caylee being around at night? LE, in this audio tape, never asked him about how he felt about having Caylee around or if he had told her that he didn't want to get more serious.

In the audio interview, they didn't go into detail about when Lee came to the house and got her things.

I guess my bottom line is there is alot that hasn't been released. All MO, which is worth less that 23 cents.

Yeh, young guys like to hang out. Watch football, drink beer, talking guy things.
Who would want one gal hanging around playing house maid? Or a child almost 3? MO

From what I am learning about this, TonE was a guy and had lots of male friends, sharing his home with his guy friends.

I hate to say this, but I believe as others have posted, Casey met TonE one night, he took her home and now Casey became a needy person. Someone to love her. Casey tried and tried to capture him. He went on and did things he is normally used to doing. Casey doing what she normally does. Being needed and wanted love and acceptance. I believe Casey became a clinging vine, driving TonE further away. He was a kind soul, possible one night stand and she decided to become his partner. He tried, and felt sorry for her. Gently, easing her out of his life.

Trying to see thru Caseys eyes, Caylee became an albatross. Sorry, but that could be. Now Caylee is gone. Gone. I could go on. It is not that problemic to me. Casey is, was a lost soul. I think Casey is not the only lost soul (Susan Smith) comes to mind.

As far as her parents, brother? I don't know. I am only trying to understand. Not condone, pass judgement, etc.

Where is dear sweet Caylee? :rose:

BG

All above: MHO

[SavannahStar]

And the Psychiatrist on NG just confirmed what you are saying!! You smarty!!!

Pfffffffffft, kakax. I always will listen to psychiatrists who actually examine a person, IN person, with testing, interviews etc. These TH psychs are a dime a dozen and I take what they say with a grain of salt. :read:

[~jomomma~]

I remember hearing NG saying that the cholorform smell was "overpowering", would the cholorform smell overpower the decomp smell?

i don't know! good question for someone to ask on NG! LOL

if the stench was that bad i can't imagine anything covering it up.

[ann10]

IMO, Casey has not uttered ONE WORD regarding an accident. no way.

She has her story, and that's that. sheesh, even when she was being pulled apart by LE that she was no longer employed there, since 2006, she was unshakeable.....no job, so why is there all of this nanny talk?

she doesnt care it doesnt connect....ok, so the bottom fell out about the job......still sticking to the story.

....although of late, rumours are she has changed the circumstances of the 'abduction' and included an accomplice.

IMO, and I agree with Savannah, I would never expect someone to come on national tv and utter these words: we think she killed her. (with regard to their own child and the victim being a grandchild)

I would be shocked.

I would not be shocked or concerned about silence which would have served them better and let the world guess with regards to feelings; they publically denied the persona that is their daughter, to downplay her utter disregard for her own child's well-being....(jailhouse call)......their statements to LE, primarily George, who stated in the documents 'he was afraid his daughter was holding back information'........

those are the facts that count.

I dont hold them accountable at all for this situation: but neither do I dont hold them anywhere near a sympathetic flame. they did nothing to further the investigation PUBLICALLY. all they did was talk about themselves and defend their daughter.

caylee, she was called the "MAIN FOCUS" over and over again but nothing they said focused on HER, THE VICTIM.

even when Cindy had the press view her room, it was ALL ABOUT CINDY and her decorating and her arts and crafts.

Ive been done 'listening' to them and Im making an effort to stay focused on their statements to LE...and all other interviewed witnesses.

their personas give me a headache. :cool:

best regards,
Pru


Great post :seeya:

[need2no]

Oh my, I just listened to Lee's tape! How bizarre!!!!! It's really different to "hear" it versus "read" it. The biggest thing sticking out to me is the laughter! ARe these people braindead! There is a little girl possibly kidnapped/dead and he's laughing all through it and almost acting like he's really enjoying all of this! And talking about dead squirrels crawling up in the car! What a visual!!!! And I personally don't think he helped Casey or his parents in this tape! He was just downright wierd!!!! I gotta go digest this!

This is the strangest family I've ever seen....oh wait, no it's not! While I was listening to his tape my nephew by marriage came to mind!...along with his sister and his mom. Omigosh I know people like this! Not the murdering part.....but the weirdness! He would have totally been "into" this conversation too!

And Lee....did he have any feelings for Caylee at all? Because they sure didn't come through in this tape! He could have been talking about a "lost sandwich" and had as much emotion. Omigosh what kind of life did poor little Caylee have even when she was alive???? Did ANYONE care about her? I am just sadder than I was before.

I so agree with you Nellie! This is his own family and a horrible tragedy Lee is talking about in such a nonchalant unemotional way...like he's talking about his little known neighbors down the street. He also seems more than ready to throw EVERYONE, including Jesse, under the bus.

He comes off like he is proud of his role in this as if he is some kind of stand up guy, and the only hero in this mess...geesh. No doubt in his mind he fully expects LE to buy every word out of his inappropriate chuckling mouth.

I always felt like something was 'off' with Lee, but it was confirmed for me when I watched an interview where he was talking to the media and kept chugging water and laughing during the interview, then suddenly kind of dismissed them when he didn't care to answer anymore questions. Also the day he grabs the ladies sign when she wouldn't do it HIS way. He comes off as smug, arrogant and weird.

I feel sorry for the baby he is soon to have....his capacity for love and real emotion seems very stunted and off to me. Clearly he didn't come out of this family unscathed.

[Rayosunshine]

Is it possible the sitter was an illegal alien and was using someone else's name?

Do we, as yet, know without a doubt that Casey slept at her parents' home on the night of June 15th?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[SavannahStar]

I can't believe I'm watching her right now.

LOL!!!! Hey I watch her show too, much as I can't stand her. Unfortunately, that's all we get, via national TV, about the case. Darn that Greta anyway, for focusing on politics. Sheesh. :D

[Joan Weiss]

lol..."This is the crappiest mother on earth, coming from the creepiest family on earth."
per Mickey Sherman.

[bluwaters]

:flamemad: How can Lee laugh like that about the smell!!!!! {shakes head} Hearing it is so much worse than reading he did it.
Isn't that the truth! He sounds like he thinks he's a member of the LE's private club. I was able to write off the chuckles as nerves when I read it, but hearing it? :eek:
None of the other peeps interviewed are yucking it up with the cops.
Arrogant *******!

I did get the creeps watching some of his interviews with the press. He seemed so into his role as the level headed member of the family. Lots of inappropriate laughter then too.

I think that his volunteer little midnight trip to TonE's for Casey's things is very strange. He was gone far too long since he himself says that Casey's things were packed. The computer story doesn't sound right.
put me down as one who thinks that Lee tried to clean the hard drive on Cindy's laptop.

Cindy sure complained about LE keeping her computer for so long. Didn't she mind that Casey had it for 31 days?

jmho

[aubrey04]

OMG! Mickey Sherman just said (on Nancy Grace) about Casey:

She's "the crappiest mother on earth coming from the creepiest family on earth" -- paraphrased... Wowzers. He is saying she won't get a fair trial because everyone will realize she's the "crappiest mother on earth coming from the creepiest family on earth" due to the document/audio interviews being made public.

Where is the rolling santa?

[bcrmom]

Cindy said Lee was talking to Casey in her bedroom when she broke down. Right?

Lee says garage. Lee says Casey cried. blah blah blah

Lee also said Casey got all emotional when the news reports came on about finding decomp in the trunk.

Lenny says his people inside the house said that was a lie.

I can't believe anything out of Lee's mouth either. If Casey was crying, it was to manipulate. Everything she said about being a bad sister, mother, daughter, etc., IF Lee is telling the truth about any of that, was all to manipulate and deflect. IMO, natch.

If this ever gets to a jury, they are going to all need medication to listen to all of this stuff!:eek:

[SavannahStar]

lol..."This is the crappiest mother on earth, coming from the creepiest family on earth."
per Mickey Sherman.


Yeh a real laugh. I told Landshark I would quote his post: nothing funny about this case, nothing ever WILL be funny about this case. This in response to something innocuous I said.

[playnice]

Wow. Hearing Lees statement seems damning to me. It supports the 15th date also.

[Joan Weiss]

I so agree with you Nellie! This is his own family and a horrible tragedy Lee is talking about in such a nonchalant unemotional way...like he's talking about his little known neighbors down the street. He also seems more than ready to throw EVERYONE, including Jesse, under the bus.

He comes off like he is proud of his role in this as if he is some kind of stand up guy, and the only hero in this mess...geesh. No doubt in his mind he fully expects LE to buy every word out of his inappropriate chuckling mouth.

I always felt like something was 'off' with Lee, but it was confirmed for me when I watched an interview where he was talking to the media and kept chugging water and laughing during the interview, then suddenly kind of dismissed them when he didn't care to answer anymore questions. Also the day he grabs the ladies sign when she wouldn't do it HIS way. He comes off as smug, arrogant and weird.

I feel sorry for the baby he is soon to have....his capacity for love and real emotion seems very stunted and off to me. Clearly he didn't come out of this family unscathed.I noted that Lee explained how he questioned Casey; role playing. I think he fancies himself a good investigator, trying to impress LE. imo

[Rayosunshine]

I agree and this Zenaida is going to have to prove she cant get a job due to this case.

I can see employers with whom she has applied for a job going into court to say she was turned down for a job because of this. Not gonna happen. She has seized the opportunity to gain from this and little does she know, her attorney has probably taken her case for the fame. Another media w...e.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[rosejustrose]

I think she knows in her mind, but her heart isn't ready to follow. And you're right, she may never be able to accept the truth.


I think you're right. I don't think I would ever be able to accept the fact that my daughter killed my granddaughter. It would just be too difficult. JMO.

[rj1212]

Yeh, young guys like to hang out. Watch football, drink beer, talking guy things.
Who would want one gal hanging around playing house maid? Or a child almost 3? MO

From what I am learning about this, TonE was a guy and had lots of male friends, sharing his home with his guy friends.

I hate to say this, but I believe as others have posted, Casey met TonE one night, he took her home and now Casey became a needy person. Someone to love her. Casey tried and tried to capture him. He went on and did things he is normally used to doing. Casey doing what she normally does. Being needed and wanted love and acceptance. I believe Casey became a clinging vine, driving TonE further away. He was a kind soul, possible one night stand and she decided to become his partner. He tried, and felt sorry for her. Gently, easing her out of his life.

Trying to see thru Caseys eyes, Caylee became an albatross. Sorry, but that could be. Now Caylee is gone. Gone. I could go on. It is not that problemic to me. Casey is, was a lost soul. I think Casey is not the only lost soul (Susan Smith) comes to mind.

As far as her parents, brother? I don't know. I am only trying to understand. Not condone, pass judgement, etc.

Where is dear sweet Caylee? :rose:

BG

All above: MHO

The Anthony's threw Caylee under the bus long ago...that much is painfully apparent. CAYLEE deserved better. If that's passing judgement, then I'll be guilty of passing judgement based on the Anthony's inconsistent statements. BTW, has someone asked George if the kidnappers are still being watched?? Does Cindy STILL believe that it smelled like pizza in the car? Does Cindy STILL want us to get off our A**ES and search for her grand-daughter, even though she hasn't lifted a finger to search in soooo long? JMO...

[kakax]

Cindy said Lee was talking to Casey in her bedroom when she broke down. Right?

Lee says garage. Lee says Casey cried. blah blah blah

Lee also said Casey got all emotional when the news reports came on about finding decomp in the trunk.

Lenny says his people inside the house said that was a lie.

I can't believe anything out of Lee's mouth either. If Casey was crying, it was to manipulate. Everything she said about being a bad sister, mother, daughter, etc., IF Lee is telling the truth about any of that, was all to manipulate and deflect. IMO, natch.

If this ever gets to a jury, they are going to all need medication to listen to all of this stuff!:eek:



Heck, I might need medication too!!

[Joan Weiss]

Yeh a real laugh. I told Landshark I would quote his post: nothing funny about this case, nothing ever WILL be funny about this case. This in response to something innocuous I said.I found it funny because of all the creepy clients he's had. You know, pot/kettle.

What's your point?

[Rayosunshine]

LOL!!!! Hey I watch her show too, much as I can't stand her. Unfortunately, that's all we get, via national TV, about the case. Darn that Greta anyway, for focusing on politics. Sheesh. :D

Love Greta, so cool, calm and collected.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[GrannyB]

LOL!!!! Hey I watch her show too, much as I can't stand her. Unfortunately, that's all we get, via national TV, about the case. Darn that Greta anyway, for focusing on politics. Sheesh. :D

I am really disappointed in Greta. I'm sick of politics. Just heard Lee say the computer was Cindy's but Caylee had it for the last month or so. And all e-mail gone from 7/14 back. Now I wonder if the computer was even working when Casey took it on the 15 or 16 of June. And of course I wonder who Lee deleted it for.

[bluwaters]

I don't trust ANY of the chloroform info yet. Not one bit. I have to have some proof.
I agree with you. NG wants to make it the cause of Caylee's death, but that is really not supported by any evidence that I have seen.
There is a lot about the chloroform that is unknown.
Just for starters, what are the dates of the chloroform searches on Casey's computer?
Where did the chloroform come from?
If it was purchased online, how was it paid for?
If ordered online, how much was ordered?
The chloroform plays a role somewhere in the story, but with the information given out so for, I can't tell anything about it.

jmho

[aubrey04]

Brittany Schieber is on... hmmmm.. she answered a few Qs and it's off to commercial break. I have been waiting for interviews with some of Casey's friends. Can't Nancy get AMY on her show?

[kakax]

OMG, another story from Cindy. Unfreaking believable.

[rosejustrose]

I am still listening to Lee's interview. Sometimes I think he's beind honest.. sometimes I think he's covering for Casey.. but he keeps talking about the STANK in Casey's car... that is such damning info, IMO.

Before hearing the interview - I chalked his chuckles as nervous laughter.. That's probably what his laughs are about but they are skeeving me out listening to this right now... Strange.

I felt very uncomfortable with Lee's laughing. It's almost like he's trying too hard to be part of the LE team. He is not a part of LE, he is the brother of the woman who killed his niece. I guess he just forgot what this was all about. IMO, he threw his mother and Casey to the wolves. He did very little to deflect suspicion from them in this whole big mess of things. JMO.

[MyrDawn]

Is it possible the sitter was an illegal alien and was using someone else's name?

Do we, as yet, know without a doubt that Casey slept at her parents' home on the night of June 15th?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

I don't, for a second, believe there was a sitter. Casey wasn't even working, so she had no need for one.

I don't think Casey did sleep at her parents house on June 15th.

[GrannyB]

The Anthony's threw Caylee under the bus long ago...that much is painfully apparent. CAYLEE deserved better. If that's passing judgement, then I'll be guilty of passing judgement based on the Anthony's inconsistent statements. BTW, has someone asked George if the kidnappers are still being watched?? Does Cindy STILL believe that it smelled like pizza in the car? Does Cindy STILL want us to get off our A**ES and search for her grand-daughter, even though she hasn't lifted a finger to search in soooo long? JMO...

I believe at this point the Anthony's want us to all shut up and go away.

[rosejustrose]

I understand this but I am having a really hard time with them wondering and thinking, after all the time thats passed, and with Casey sitting right there,

Where is Caylee?


Isnt' that the one question that needs answering? WHERE IS CAYLEE?

Why don't these people just put down their personal agendas and work on finding this beautiful little baby? JMO.

[Rayosunshine]

I still think Caylee is alive and well and living in P.R.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

P.S. I don't want to hear about the dead body in the trunk.

[Joan Weiss]

I felt very uncomfortable with Lee's laughing. It's almost like he's trying too hard to be part of the LE team. He is not a part of LE, he is the brother of the woman who killed his niece. I guess he just forgot what this was all about. IMO, he threw his mother and Casey to the wolves. He did very little to deflect suspicion from them in this whole big mess of things. JMO.ITA. He really laughed about the smelly car. Doesn't he realize that's his niece? barf

[kakax]

See, here's the lovely thing about cyberspace.

Emails can be retrieved. :D

Meaning li'l miss Casey's gonna be in a heap of trouble that Mommy and Daddy can't get her out of....



And we will know who deleted them....Casey or Lee.

[aubrey04]

I felt very uncomfortable with Lee's laughing. It's almost like he's trying too hard to be part of the LE team. He is not a part of LE, he is the brother of the woman who killed his niece. I guess he just forgot what this was all about. IMO, he threw his mother and Casey to the wolves. He did very little to deflect suspicion from them in this whole big mess of things. JMO.

Yeah. I agree with you but I was giving him the benefit of the doubt when I read the documents. I really thought it might be a nervous sort of laugh but when I listened to the tapes -- that is not the impression I got. He seemed to be carefree and really chuckling. This family is extremely strange. I still don't have a firm grasp on Lee Anthony.. I can't figure him out.

[need2no]

I noted that Lee explained how he questioned Casey; role playing. I think he fancies himself a good investigator, trying to impress LE. imo


Absolutely...but I seriously doubt they were impressed in the least.

[rosejustrose]

I agree Rosejustrose....too much of her time (if not praticically most of her time) that could be used to look for Caylee is spent on covering up for Casey and twisting any thing that could be used against Casey .......with her many times putting the cart before the horse and aticipating the worse from the lab results not even back (she is just too many steps ahead of all things Casey)......not to mention that whole fiasco with Tim.

She has been acting more as Casey`s attorney, a bad one at that, than Caylee`s grandmother from what I keep seeing.

ITA. She has not been acting like a grandmother whose beloved little angel was taken from her. I had hoped that Cindy would be the one who made Casey talk. Now, I just don't see that happening. Again, I wonder how many times a day Casey says to Cindy "None of this would be happening if you didn't call 911." JMO.

[GrannyB]

Heard Lee just steal my accident in the pool theory although he did kinda stutter thru it. Only difference is who we think was involved in the accident.

[kakax]

OMG! Lee is giving Casey an alibi.


What did I miss?????

[rosejustrose]

If that is true, do you think they are just not YET at that point? Perhaps we are expecting too much at this point in time from them?


They haven't seen or heard from their granddaughter in over 100 days. I think they know she is gone from this earth. I hope that someday they can come to deal with it. Casey is just not worth the price they are paying, IMO.

[Pruddennce]

I don't trust ANY of the chloroform info yet. Not one bit. I have to have some proof.

me neither.....I want to read the chemical analysis....but I do have a feeling its connected with their pool chemicals.

best regards,
Pru

[Texas48]

NG said that, I don't recall that coming from LE or "sources" :rolleyes:. I have to be careful what I say here. Some people get really perturbed if you say anything against NG. I just don't take what she says on her show as truth necessarily. I have seen otherwise. ITA but I still watch as she does put the victim/victims upfront.

[rosejustrose]

I don't think they believe any of Casey's stories we've heard. I do think they know Caylee is dead and Casey has them convinced it was an accident. Or, they want to believe it was an accident. That way, they can justify standing by Casey to themselves.
JMO


To some extent, I agree. What I find hard to fathom is them believing Caylee is dead by an accident and that Casey knew of it and disposed of Caylee's body. I just don't think these two people would stand for that. I believe that they, especially Cindy, would want to know where Caylee is and bring her back for a proper burial. JMO.

[kakax]

He said that he could see Caylee getting into the pool and drowning accidentally and Casey freaking out and burying Caylee somewhere and then telling herself and coming to believe an entirely different story from what happened. And this is in the same 'laughing' conversation!!!



Oh that is Jesse not Lee right?

[marshmallow]

I still think Caylee is alive and well and living in P.R.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

P.S. I don't want to hear about the dead body in the trunk.




why do you think that?

[trich]

I am so sorry for what happened to your daughter and I think he should have gotten life or better yet the death penalty. I hope your daughter is doing okay.

I know there are people who will cover but I don't think this is what is happening with the Anthony's


Are your serious?
You don't think the Anthonys are covering for Casey?
Every thing I read and heard that is all they are doing is covering for Casey killing Caylee.
Read Amy's interview and you have to know that Cindy thought that either Casey or Caylee was in that trunk.
When she found Casey alive do you not think she didn't know Caylee had been dead in the trunk.
But now she insists that it was pizza in the trunk she makes excuses for everything Casey has done.
Cindy George and Lee are now doing everything to try and cover for Casey.

[kakax]

Not quite.

The IP address will be the same, it doesn't matter who accesses it. It will show that the Yahoo account was logged into at the Anthony home.



I was suggesting that we would know the times they were deleted...if Lee did it, it would be July 16th 12-2 am.

[BobbysGirl]

Good luck with that theory .. :seeya:

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Yes I think Cindy. No I don't think Casey is innocent. She should have gotten help a long time ago and protected Caylee from Cindy. I don't think she could ever make herself admit to outsiders what went on in that house but she was Caylee's mother and she should have protected her. I'm not giving Casey a free pass. I just believe whatever happened happened under Cindy's watch not Casey's.

Good luck with that theory ..

Yes, shoulda, coulda, woulda? I doubt that Casey knew she needed help? Help for what? Or protect Caylee. I do not know that Cindy is/was responsible. Casey only knows what she was taught. Anthony's only know what they were taught. Pass it on. Who knows what went on in that home? Strange family.

Yes, strange indeed!

[Rayosunshine]

Just found a FB message to Casey from the above. I thought Amy said JPC said he didn't really like Casey. Makes me wonder???

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

P.S. Not sure I can paste here without being banned.

[Texas48]

Heck, I might need medication too!! What are you talking about...heck..we need medication now and trial has not even started.

[kakax]

What's the story please? I dont have me tv on. I missed the show, I have the speakers on the laptop and am listening to the tape, hard as it is. I have put it off now for a day.

Dots


Cindy told this neighbor that Casey was in Jacksonville for work for a month.

She also said that, no matter what it took, even if it put Casey behind bars, she was going to find out what happened to her Grand daughter.

[rosejustrose]

I think Casey's mea culpa to her earlier crimes is meant to deflect from her guilt in the most recent.

Give this poster a prize!!!! I think you are 100% correct.

[rosejustrose]

Can you BELIEVE it??? :flamemad:

The smell was "atrocious"???

Naaah....pizza right??? squirrels???
:cuss:

Even Lee debunked the squirrels angle. To his credit, he never did try to pin the smell on pizza. JMO.

ETA: Oh, Lee, that atrocious smell? It was your niece.

[GrannyB]

Are your serious?
You don't think the Anthonys are covering for Casey?
Every thing I read and heard that is all they are doing is covering for Casey killing Caylee.
Read Amy's interview and you have to know that Cindy thought that either Casey or Caylee was in that trunk.
When she found Casey alive do you not think she didn't know Caylee had been dead in the trunk.
But now she insists that it was pizza in the trunk she makes excuses for everything Casey has done.
Cindy George and Lee are now doing everything to try and cover for Casey.

If someone will tell me how to make a signature line I will put in it
"Yes I am serious"

[trich]

Jesse is on now. I thought it was Lee before. (I had a small head injury the other day. Maybe my mind isn't working too well.)


they keep switching back and forth from jessie to lee and Tone

[Joan Weiss]

Absolutely...but I seriously doubt they were impressed in the least.Yeh, I bet they were mentally rolling their eyes...

[bluwaters]

NG said that, I don't recall that coming from LE or "sources" :rolleyes:. I have to be careful what I say here. Some people get really perturbed if you say anything against NG. I just don't take what she says on her show as truth necessarily. I have seen otherwise.

I got :punch: for linking and quoting from wikipedia's NG entry. NG herself is considered O/T here by TPTB. However, when NG is used as the source for information by posters, I consider looking into NG herself highly relevant. How credible is NG? She is certainly entertaining, but many here have posted about how casual she is with facts, and also that she never corrects her mistakes or admits that she was wrong.

Check out NG's career. The GA Supreme Court found her courtroom tactics just over the ethical line more than once. She will go to any lengths to be right. Once she believes a suspect is guilty, it is impossible for her to consider another scenario. I am glad that she is now on TV and no longer dedicated to incarcerating people.

Now, NG is giving this case more attention that anyone. So her show is extremely important to posters. I know that I hang on to every word that posters are kind enough to recap here, and wait for someone to upload the evening's show to YouTube. I enjoy the show, until she gets really ugly and beats up on someone. Last night, NG was particularly nasty.

I am listening to TonE's interview now. He sure doesn't laugh about any of this. I can't imagine how horrified he must be about all of this.

jmho

[GrannyB]

I swear you can hear in Jesse's voice how much he cared for Caylee. Too bad he wasn't her father. He cares more than the 'Anthony's do.

[rosejustrose]

NG said that, I don't recall that coming from LE or "sources" :rolleyes:. I have to be careful what I say here. Some people get really perturbed if you say anything against NG. I just don't take what she says on her show as truth necessarily. I have seen otherwise.

What's the matter, Savannah? You don't like her exaggerating ways or her obnoxious manner? I have a problem with the way she conducts some of her questioning, too. She's a bit too abrasive at times. JMO. But, I do admit I watch her every night.:o

[kakax]

Oh, my bads! :D :seeya:



Pru had a very interesting theory earlier about Lee possibly being the one who messed with the computer. I can't do her post justice, but this was a discussion we had been talking about earlier.

We were hoping that along with the files being recovered, the person who "wiped out" the computer could be discerned from the time it happened.

Lee said that Windows had been wiped out....it is weird that in one sentence he said that the files were wiped out, but he also knew that her yahoo mail was deleted...how was he able to get to them?

[Joan Weiss]

Jesse is on now. I thought it was Lee before. (I had a small head injury the other day. Maybe my mind isn't working too well.)I hadn't gotten to Jessie's interview yet. My God, Cindy is vicious. :eek:

I'm actually feeling bad for Casey. imo

[GrannyB]

So BH was talking about a recycle bin not a trash dumpster. Hmmmmm
those don't go to a landfill.

[Joan Weiss]

Pru had a very interesting theory earlier about Lee possibly being the one who messed with the computer. I can't do her post justice, but this was a discussion we had been talking about earlier.

We were hoping that along with the files being recovered, the person who "wiped out" the computer could be discerned from the time it happened.

Lee said that Windows had been wiped out....it is weird that in one sentence he said that the files were wiped out, but he also knew that her yahoo mail was deleted...how was he able to get to them?I believe the FBI will be able to retrieve the info, and further, discern the date and time of the wipe-out. imo

[~jomomma~]

I hadn't gotten to Jessie's interview yet. My God, Cindy is vicious. :eek:

I'm actually feeling bad for Casey. imo

can't imagine Cindy saying that stuff to Jesse infront of Casey :eek:

[?noanswer]

RE: Lee's audio

He gave LE a list of receipts that he took from Casey's things. He said he gave the receipts to the atty. (Jose Baez?)
He's not sure that JB gave him all the receipts to make the list.

I think Lee gave a lot of damaging information about Caylee.


JMO

[st777jo]

Not quite.

The IP address will be the same, it doesn't matter who accesses it. It will show that the Yahoo account was logged into at the Anthony home.

It should also show the time it was deleted, right?

[rosejustrose]

OMG! Lee is giving Casey an alibi.

Huh?:shrug:

[GrannyB]

can't imagine Cindy saying that stuff to Jesse infront of Casey :eek:

Why not? Have you heard what she says on TV? She can be vicious.

[kakax]

The only ways to completely wipe off a hard drive:
Put it behind the tire of a large truck
Stick a GIANT magnet on it
Toss it in a lake

Good to know...now I know what to do if I am ever in trouble LOL!! As I'm sure alot of your computer hard drives do, mine shows that I'm a pschopathic murderer considering offing my husband and putting him in Samson luggage after subduing him with either chloroform or chloral hydrate.

[Joan Weiss]

ITA. She has not been acting like a grandmother whose beloved little angel was taken from her. I had hoped that Cindy would be the one who made Casey talk. Now, I just don't see that happening. Again, I wonder how many times a day Casey says to Cindy "None of this would be happening if you didn't call 911." JMO.And Cindy believing it. imo

[trich]

I hadn't gotten to Jessie's interview yet. My God, Cindy is vicious. :eek:

I'm actually feeling bad for Casey. imo


Had Casey acted like a loving concerned mother I might have felt bad for her.
But all she needed to do was get a job and take care of her child and maybe she would have gotten some respect.
and not to steal from people either.

[impartial]

Everything the BH says needs to go to a landfill IMO.

Yes, yes and yes.


IMO

[SavannahStar]

RE: Lee's audio

He gave LE a list of receipts that he took from Casey's things. He said he gave the receipts to the atty. (Jose Baez?)
He's not sure that JB gave him all the receipts to make the list.

I think Lee gave a lot of damaging information about Caylee.


JMO


Absolutely. :D So much for covering up. IMO.

[need2no]

I wonder how close Lee will allow his family- his mother in particular- to get to his baby when it is born? And do we know if it will be a girl or boy? If a boy, wonder if he will name him LeeCase or some twist on he and Caseys name? Hope his girlfriend is a balanced individual, but how balanced can she be if shes with this apparent nutjob Lee? No offense, pregnant girlfriend. Bet you are FREAKED about the family you are coming into, eh? Run Girlfriend Run!!!!!

If he or she is named after Casey it would have to include her new name.....#7812063 :biggrin:

Good advise to Lee's girlfriend...I hope she takes it.

[Pruddennce]

Originally Posted by house
I think Casey's mea culpa to her earlier crimes is meant to deflect from her guilt in the most recent.

Give this poster a prize!!!! I think you are 100% correct.

hmmmm, I think differently: she is placing the blame on others: see, if you would have punished me, I wouldnt have done it again and again.....its someone ELSE's fault....not her's....

psychopaths dont hold themselves accountable.

I dont usually post links like this, but a friend thought I would enjoy simplicity for once: this is an uncomplicated description:

http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm

one significant point:

"is constantly imposing on others a false reality made up of distortion and fabrication" <------------guess who

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[st777jo]

I hadn't gotten to Jessie's interview yet. My God, Cindy is vicious. :eek:

I'm actually feeling bad for Casey. imo

I am divided, only because Casey could have gotten a job and supported her and her daughter. She had plenty of time to learn to stand on her on two feet. And if she wanted to party, she could have just let Cindy keep her.

Two spiteful women and a child lost the battle. jmo, jo

[SavannahStar]

You don't have to be careful as far as I'm concerned. :)

:seeya: It's so good to see you, as always.

[Rayosunshine]

You have a pm.

[rosejustrose]

Oh that is Jesse not Lee right?

OK, got it now. That makes sense. JMO.

[impartial]

If he or she is named after Casey it would have to include her new name.....#7812063 :biggrin:

Good advise to Lee's girlfriend...I hope she takes it.


:punch: For me not thinking of that. :D

[Rayosunshine]

Didn't Amy tell LE that JPC didn't really like Casey?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[MyrDawn]

Good to know...now I know what to do if I am ever in trouble LOL!! As I'm sure alot of your computer hard drives do, mine shows that I'm a pschopathic murderer considering offing my husband and putting him in Samson luggage after subduing him with either chloroform or chloral hydrate.

Mine would show pretty much the same thing. Plus, a lot of recipes. :biggrin:

[Joan Weiss]

everything the bh says needs to go to a landfill imo.....ita....

[impartial]

:seeya: It's so good to see you, as always.




Right back atcha. :seeya:


Did I miss anything today ... work keeps getting in the way.

TIA

[GrannyB]

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TY as soon as I typed it I realized what a stupid question that was.

I'm not getting enough sleep lately posting her waiting for Caylee to be found.

[rj1212]

To some extent, I agree. What I find hard to fathom is them believing Caylee is dead by an accident and that Casey knew of it and disposed of Caylee's body. I just don't think these two people would stand for that. I believe that they, especially Cindy, would want to know where Caylee is and bring her back for a proper burial. JMO.

To further elaborate, I think the Anthony's want us to believe, IF nobody buys the "Nanny" story, that it was not only an accident, but an accident that could've happened to ANYONE...including the middle to upper-middle class neighbors. But Casey FREAKED!!! :rolleyes:

Again, what if it were an accident due to gross neglect??? Such as placing Caylee in the trunk while Casey partied all night? We know Casey was getting drunk and high...what's to say that Casey didn't forget about Caylee? All it took was for Casey to forget about Caylee just once...just once! The heat would've been too much, regardless of the chloroform.

If Caylee didn't outright murder Casey, then I believe the second theory is gross neglect of Casey. The mere accident of a drowning doesn't make sense to me, unless Casey purposefully drowned this little girl, but IF she did, wouldn't she have called 911 in an attempt to make it look like a true accident?

It doesn't make sense....:shrug: IMO

[rosejustrose]

I wonder how close Lee will allow his family- his mother in particular- to get to his baby when it is born? And do we know if it will be a girl or boy? If a boy, wonder if he will name him LeeCase or some twist on he and Caseys name? Hope his girlfriend is a balanced individual, but how balanced can she be if shes with this apparent nutjob Lee? No offense, pregnant girlfriend. Bet you are FREAKED about the family you are coming into, eh? Run Girlfriend Run!!!!!


Lee's girlfriend is pregnant?:eek:

[MyrDawn]

Absolutely. :D So much for covering up. IMO.

Yep. Hoisted on his own petard. JMO

[bluwaters]

LOL!!!! Hey I watch her show too, much as I can't stand her. Unfortunately, that's all we get, via national TV, about the case. Darn that Greta anyway, for focusing on politics. Sheesh. :D

Yeah, I sure do wish that Greta would get back on this. I miss Ted in particular. He boiled the whole mess down into one word - Wacko!
The politics? Come on Greta. I know who I'm voting for! Being a Floridian, 2000 was wrenching and 2004 was a joke. I don't want to think of 2008's election coming down to Florida again. :chicken:

Caylee is definitely falling off the radar as far as the media goes on a national level. The case will stay high priority in Orlando as long as LE keeps releasing info. At some point, something big will happen, like finding Caylee, or arresting someone connected to the case. Until then, this case is fading slowly out of the national consciousness.
I personally am getting the same sort of feeling that I had when Natalee wasn't found and no one was held responsible for her disappearance. I hope that Caylee's case doesn't go the way that NH's did. :(

[rosejustrose]

Pru had a very interesting theory earlier about Lee possibly being the one who messed with the computer. I can't do her post justice, but this was a discussion we had been talking about earlier.

We were hoping that along with the files being recovered, the person who "wiped out" the computer could be discerned from the time it happened.

Lee said that Windows had been wiped out....it is weird that in one sentence he said that the files were wiped out, but he also knew that her yahoo mail was deleted...how was he able to get to them?

I wondered the same thing. Unless, of course, he accessed her Yahoo account from a different computer. I think he grabbed that pad and pen to get her log in ids and passwords more than anything else. I'm sure he was aware of her myspace and facebook activities and realized they needed to be "cleaned" up. JMO.

[Joan Weiss]

can't imagine Cindy saying that stuff to Jesse infront of Casey :eek:There's NO excuse for that, imo, NONE. Cindy is really a piece of work. I wouldn't even do that to an enemy. imo

[SavannahStar]

To further elaborate, I think the Anthony's want us to believe, IF nobody buys the "Nanny" story, that it was not only an accident, but an accident that could've happened to ANYONE...including the middle to upper-middle class neighbors. But Casey FREAKED!!! :rolleyes:

Again, what if it were an accident due to gross neglect??? Such as placing Caylee in the trunk while Casey partied all night? We know Casey was getting drunk and high...what's to say that Casey didn't forget about Caylee? All it took was for Casey to forget about Caylee just once...just once! The heat would've been too much, regardless of the chloroform.

If Caylee didn't outright murder Casey, then I believe the second theory is gross neglect of Casey. The mere accident of a drowning doesn't make sense to me, unless Casey purposefully drowned this little girl, but IF she did, wouldn't she have called 911 in an attempt to make it look like a true accident?

It doesn't make sense....:shrug: IMO

Not responding to all of your post, but as far as the drowning, whether accidental or purposeful......many don't believe that she would not have called 911. I do. To this day, I do not see a motivation for murder from Casey. I do see a very, very messed up psyche that COULD see a reason to cover up an accidental death.

[impartial]

Yeah, I sure do wish that Greta would get back on this. I miss Ted in particular. He boiled the whole mess down into one word - Wacko!
The politics? Come on Greta. I know who I'm voting for! Being a Floridian, 2000 was wrenching and 2004 was a joke. I don't want to think of 2008's election coming down to Florida again. :chicken:

Caylee is definitely falling off the radar as far as the media goes on a national level. The case will stay high priority in Orlando as long as LE keeps releasing info. At some point, something big will happen, like finding Caylee, or arresting someone connected to the case. Until then, this case is fading slowly out of the national consciousness.
I personally am getting the same sort of feeling that I had when Natalee wasn't found and no one was held responsible for her disappearance. I hope that Caylee's case doesn't go the way that NH's did. :(


It sure looks like it may be headed that way.

LE doesn't have a body, nor a cause of death. Although there have been cases that have gone forward without a body ... the witnesses that the prosecution has to rely on to establish that Caylee hadn't been seen after the 16th, will also testify they don't believe Casey would have done anything intentionally to harm Caylee. So, where does that leave the SA with what charges to bring? If they overreach, they risk losing the entire case.

IMO

[barskin&co.]

Cindy told this neighbor that Casey was in Jacksonville for work for a month.

She also said that, no matter what it took, even if it put Casey behind bars, she was going to find out what happened to her Grand daughter.

I believe Brittany said, Casey was guilty of something (she didn't know what), and she didn't care if she went to prison for the rest of her life as long as they got Caylee back. That makes it seem more than ever that Cindy has known Caylee was never coming home, probably starting from a few days after July 15. Then she started directing all her anger at the press, the public, anyone else but where it belonged, as she went full-out in save Casey mode.

[rosejustrose]

Everything the BH says needs to go to a landfill IMO.

Yes, yes and yes.


IMO

If I may, I'd like to add yes, yes and yes, IMO.

[GrannyB]

Not responding to all of your post, but as far as the drowning, whether accidental or purposeful......many don't believe that she would not have called 911. I do. To this day, I do not see a motivation for murder from Casey. I do see a very, very messed up psyche that COULD see a reason to cover up an accidental death.


I see that in all family members.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Ok some of the posts are confusing me. It was Jesse who gave the pool theory. Why are some saying Lee?

Unperson if you are still around I didn't catch your reply if you gave one. :shrug:

Padilla on Nancy Grace tonight just gave the same theory about a bag breaking and getting on her clothes that was discussed here. Do you think if we write in and ask Nancy why she allows him to go on with his theories as though they were fact but she cuts off other guests she will give us an answer?

[Joan Weiss]

I wondered the same thing. Unless, of course, he accessed her Yahoo account from a different computer. I think he grabbed that pad and pen to get her log in ids and passwords more than anything else. I'm sure he was aware of her myspace and facebook activities and realized they needed to be "cleaned" up. JMO.Of course. I access mine from my sister's computer all the time.

I believe the FBI will know exactly when all the deletion took place. Lee may be in big trouble.

I think he probably, like Casey, is more afraid of his parents than LE. I'd say there was some heavy sympathizing with Casey about their parents on there, among other things.

They've already announced they found chloroform searches on there...jmo

[rosejustrose]

Didn't Amy tell LE that JPC didn't really like Casey?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

IIRC, she did.

[Pruddennce]

Pru had a very interesting theory earlier about Lee possibly being the one who messed with the computer. I can't do her post justice, but this was a discussion we had been talking about earlier.

We were hoping that along with the files being recovered, the person who "wiped out" the computer could be discerned from the time it happened.

Lee said that Windows had been wiped out....it is weird that in one sentence he said that the files were wiped out, but he also knew that her yahoo mail was deleted...how was he able to get to them?

well, her yahoo could be accessed from anywhere, its web based, with her login and password of course.

it is my theory he 'attempted' to compromise 'possible' evidence THAT NITE. what stood out to me is that he made a point to say it was his mother's laptop. as if to say, dont bother looking at it. its not Casey's. and he took it before LE arrived with the search warrant, and he contradicted himself, saying he turned it on.....then said EXACTLY when asked if it was up and running when he arrived.

LE grilled him about what he removed from the apartment....giving him a chance to include anything he might have overlooked telling them initially. he didnt bite. he defended himself, but 2 hours worth of doing what?

anyway, rant over...lol.....Im sure LE knows when the mail was cleaned out and mysp/facebk/mail were cleaned up.

the only thing overlooked by the cleaner: her posts made to other people....incoming and on the site is one thing, 'whoever' cleaned up, couldnt go back and retrieve sent posts to friends pages or retrieve sent emails.

IMO, LE got what they needed. They already knew she was accessing her account, using other people's puters to upload pictures....

best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

Ok some of the posts are confusing me. It was Jesse who gave the pool theory. Why are some saying Lee?

Unperson if you are still around I didn't catch your reply if you gave one. :shrug:

Padilla on Nancy Grace tonight just gave the same theory about a bag breaking and getting on her clothes that was discussed here. Do you think if we write in and ask Nancy why she allows him to go on with his theories as though they were fact but she cuts off other guests she will give us an answer?It's worth a try. I've noticed that she answers questions we have been pondering, so I think she'll at least read it. imo

[SavannahStar]

It sure looks like it may be headed that way.

LE doesn't have a body, nor a cause of death. Although there have been cases that have gone forward without a body ... the witnesses that the prosecution has to rely on to establish that Caylee hadn't been seen after the 16th, will also testify they don't believe Casey would have done anything intentionally to harm Caylee. So, where does that leave the SA with what charges to bring? If they overreach, they risk losing the entire case.

IMO

Some excellent points, there, impartial. I don't see any witnesses saying much more than she liked to party, but as you say, none that say they feel she could have intentionally harmed her daughter. And the defense will have more than a few witnesses to say she was a good mother.

I actually thought at one point this was an open and shut case. I no longer feel that way. I still feel it was an accidental death, I always have, but even IF she were brought to trial on murder, I don't see any overwhelming evidence to get her convicted. Not on murder one, no way.

The more time goes on, in fact, the more I'm even thinking about things that might shock us totally and completely. I'm still concerned with the fact that the name "Zenaida" (FULL name) was mentioned by Casey to others so far back. There are a lot of little "odd" things like that.

Strange case. NOT so cut and dried and "simple" as one poster put it, today. Not simple by a long shot. But we'll see in the end.

[Joan Weiss]

well, her yahoo could be accessed from anywhere, its web based, with her login and password of course.

it is my theory he 'attempted' to compromise 'possible' evidence THAT NITE. what stood out to me is that he made a point to say it was his mother's laptop. as if to say, dont bother looking at it. its not Casey's. and he took it before LE arrived with the search warrant, and he contradicted himself, saying he turned it on.....then said EXACTLY when asked if it was up and running when he arrived.

LE grilled him about what he removed from the apartment....giving him a chance to include anything he might have overlooked telling them initially. he didnt bite. he defended himself, but 2 hours worth of doing what?

anyway, rant over...lol.....Im sure LE knows when the mail was cleaned out and mysp/facebk/mail were cleaned up.

the only thing overlooked by the cleaner: her posts made to other people....incoming and on the site is one thing, 'whoever' cleaned up, couldnt go back and retrieve sent posts to friends pages or retrieve sent emails.

IMO, LE got what they needed. They already knew she was accessing her account, using other people's puters to upload pictures....

best regards,
PruAnd they'll be able to tell who did what by the PW log ins, won't they?

[rosejustrose]

Cindy just can't face the truth right now. I do not approve of her actions but mine might have been worse under the circumstances. The death of a child is a horrible thing to face. One day she will have to kick Casey out because she will not be able to look at her any longer.

What makes you think she can stand the sight of her now? I think Cindy knows Casey killed Caylee. I just think Cindy isn't ready to deal with it on a rational level, just yet. And, who knows what bs Casey and her lawyer are feeding Cindy. She seems to be the perfect patsy to put in front of the cameras spewing all her ridiculous accusations and theories. JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Cindy won't need to worry about kicking Casey out. Casey will be going to prison. imo

I believe that's fact.

Hey! Good to "see" you! :seeya:

[Rebel Rouzer]

It's worth a try. I've noticed that she answers questions we have been pondering, so I think she'll at least read it. imo


Hi JW. Just trying to catch up here after dealing with fam and watching NG.

I think tonights show was better than lastnights for sure. Do people still think Casey is taking the fall for Cindy?

[Nellie]

OK, am trying to think how to write this:

There is no WAY that my BROTHER would know THIS MUCH about MY sexual life. NO WAY. Why, does Lee know so much about her sexual life; who she is seeing how long and how she is "transitioning" from one to another....

Im sick now; effectively sick. As Cindy would say "there is something
WRONG"

Dots

This whole family is totally whacked!!!!!....IMO!!!!!

[GrannyB]

And how to clean a bathroom like a pro. :D


About 6 months ago I got really concerned about the numerous seedy searches I have done on the net over the years. Mind you...just in case...I typed out a list of all the cases I have followed closely over the years, as well as the crime, and in some cases I added a few key words.

For instance, her are a couple of examples-

Melanie McQuire: Murdered hubby, cut him up, put in luggage, dumped in the Lake. Spotless bathroom.

Cindy Sommer: Young healthy Marine husband dies after brief illness, possibly arsenic poisoning.
Plastic surgery.

If I am ever suspected of anything I will direct my defense attorney to this folder.

I've got a feeling Casey could use a folder and some really good explanations of what has been found on her computer.

It was Cindy's computer. Lee said Casey had it for about the last month or so.

Just something else to muddy the waters.

[impartial]

What makes you think she can stand the sight of her now? I think Cindy knows Casey killed Caylee. I just think Cindy isn't ready to deal with it on a rational level, just yet. And, who knows what bs Casey and her lawyer are feeding Cindy. She seems to be the perfect patsy to put in front of the cameras spewing all her ridiculous accusations and theories. JMO.


I may describe Cindy in a lot of different ways ... but patsy just isn't one I would think applies.

Controlling, manipulating, innappropriate ... yes. But patsy? I don't think she's anyone's patsy.

IMO

[Joan Weiss]

OK, am trying to think how to write this:

There is no WAY that my BROTHER would know THIS MUCH about MY sexual life. NO WAY. Why, does Lee know so much about her sexual life; who she is seeing how long and how she is "transitioning" from one to another....

Im sick now; effectively sick. As Cindy would say "there is something
WRONG"

DotsITA, and this from a guy who said he hasn't seen his family in a year or more? :confused:

[Pruddennce]

And they'll be able to tell who did what by the PW log ins, won't they?

by the times....not be the person personally...of course you know that.

Lee A, anyone for that matter, with her password and logins could have did the cleanup.

I dont see anyone doing her bidding in that moment in time....she was tied up with mom and bro....and didnt have her phone to alert anyone after her 'disclosure' and the 911 call.

but Lee managed to slip out. and Lee was alone with her more than he testified to. IMO

the times are critical.....as to who could have did what.....but it doesnt solve the case of missing Caylee as far as I can tell.

the coverup, IMO, was to 'sanitize' Casey's lifestyle AND lies regarding her life. nothing more at that point in time, meaning, that nite or the next morning.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

Hi JW. Just trying to catch up here after dealing with fam and watching NG.

I think tonights show was better than lastnights for sure. Do people still think Casey is taking the fall for Cindy?Geesh! I can't imagine even considering that, let alone believing it.

[rj1212]

Not responding to all of your post, but as far as the drowning, whether accidental or purposeful......many don't believe that she would not have called 911. I do. To this day, I do not see a motivation for murder from Casey. I do see a very, very messed up psyche that COULD see a reason to cover up an accidental death.

And I see a psyche that would cover up an accidental, neglectful death because Casey didn't want Mom to be right; that Casey wasn't a good mother after all. If Casey took Caylee to spite Cindy Anthony, then wouldn't she try to prove that she could be the great Mom apart from Cindy? The problem w/ Casey is that she probably tried to be "Mom" to everyone who didn't really know her that well while still living the irresponsible party life. The two don't mix. Cindy was coddling Casey. Cindy was enabling...but somewhere along the line it abruptly stopped, and Casey didn't want the gravy-train to end.

A neglectful accident would only show that Mom was right after all...and Casey's PRIDE couldn't take it. IMO

[tashi]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I just saw this buried in this link and I'm looking forward to seeing the video



Friday, the State Attorney's Office is releasing the videotaped interview with Caylee's grandmother Cindy, which was done two weeks after she reported Caylee missing. It is two hours long.

Prosecutors are also releasing Casey's computer records, which show that Casey deleted Yahoo mail and some photographs of Caylee.


http://www.wftv.com/news/17549736/detail.html

[SavannahStar]

wasnt it important enough to turn off his cell phone? Just another tiny note of someone who thinks they are very important. He doesnt respect the situation enough to even turn off the phone.

*snipped*


Are you talking about Lee in his interview? He was not the only one in interviews who had their cell phone ring. Did you notice that?

[BobbysGirl]

The Anthony's threw Caylee under the bus long ago...that much is painfully apparent. CAYLEE deserved better. If that's passing judgement, then I'll be guilty of passing judgement based on the Anthony's inconsistent statements. BTW, has someone asked George if the kidnappers are still being watched?? Does Cindy STILL believe that it smelled like pizza in the car? Does Cindy STILL want us to get off our A**ES and search for her grand-daughter, even though she hasn't lifted a finger to search in soooo long? JMO...

I was speaking for self. Not anyone on this board. Specifically. Please re-read my post.

I did not say anything about guilt. I do not know what to make of the Anthonys. The whole bunch IMHO are messed up. I do not have time in a day to read a 3-4 thousand posts daily, links etc. 24/7. I have in past expressed my ops on entirety of my knowledge. And not just from this board.

Please accept my humble apology. I, as every one else are disgruntled, angry, disgusted et al with the entire charade of this case.

I equal to wanting Caylee found. Brought home.

FWIW Do I trust Caseys parents/family no.

:) BG

[Joan Weiss]

by the times....not be the person personally...of course you know that.

Lee A, anyone for that matter, with her password and logins could have did the cleanup.

I dont see anyone doing her bidding in that moment in time....she was tied up with mom and bro....and didnt have her phone to alert anyone after her 'disclosure' and the 911 call.

but Lee managed to slip out. and Lee was alone with her more than he testified to. IMO

the times are critical.....as to who could have did what.....but it doesnt solve the case of missing Caylee as far as I can tell.

the coverup, IMO, was to 'sanitize' Casey's lifestyle AND lies regarding her life. nothing more at that point in time, meaning, that nite or the next morning.

IMO

best regards,
PruThanks, Pru. I'm wondering if Lee had her PW previous to his asking for it in the jail visit. Maybe asking for it at jail was just a ruse? Could he download her pics without her PW?

[Pruddennce]

Pru you're right about the 2 hours. Just what was he doing with all her stuff, during that time, what did he find??
We may never know. I think his Interview; which is part of an ongoing investigation, is very telling. He was already in cover mode, during the interview.

I think something happened the weekend of that Birthday party for Cindy. I'd like to know what. I thnk THAT was when the pool ladder was carelessly Left in the Down position.

Dots

however, jennyanydots, she was seen at the nursing home. alive and well. according to the investigation, people who saw her and the sign-in book, etc.

best regards,
Pru

[Rebel Rouzer]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I just saw this buried in this link and I'm looking forward to seeing the video



Friday, the State Attorney's Office is releasing the videotaped interview with Caylee's grandmother Cindy, which was done two weeks after she reported Caylee missing. It is two hours long.

Prosecutors are also releasing Casey's computer records, which show that Casey deleted Yahoo mail and some photographs of Caylee.


http://www.wftv.com/news/17549736/detail.html

When do we get to listen or view these?

Thanks for the link. I hadn't read or heard yet so I appreciate it even if it was a repeat of someone else posting it. Thanks again

[tashi]

When do we get to listen or view these?

Thanks for the link. I hadn't read or heard yet so I appreciate it even if it was a repeat of someone else posting it. Thanks again


I think it's being released tomorrow...Friday

[aubrey04]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I just saw this buried in this link and I'm looking forward to seeing the video



Friday, the State Attorney's Office is releasing the videotaped interview with Caylee's grandmother Cindy, which was done two weeks after she reported Caylee missing. It is two hours long.

Prosecutors are also releasing Casey's computer records, which show that Casey deleted Yahoo mail and some photographs of Caylee.


http://www.wftv.com/news/17549736/detail.html


Thanks for the heads up! I can't wait... :read: I wonder if the computer records will contain the dates in which the chloroform searches were performed on... and what exactly was entailed in the chloroform searches. (Like did someone actually purchase the chloroform online... or did the searches contain hits on "how to sedate someone with chloroform", etc)

[Joan Weiss]

Are you talking about Lee in his interview? He was not the only one in interviews who had their cell phone ring. Did you notice that?I immediately flashed on Scott Peterson.

LE of course needs to keep their phones on, imo. They might get a life or death call, ya think? Casey Anthony is not their only priority, and who know, they might get a "live Caylee" call. imo

[need2no]

It was Cindy's computer. Lee said Casey had it for about the last month or so.

Just something else to muddy the waters.

True it was, but I've got a feeling Casey used it more than Cindy did....Cindy was employed.

[kakax]

ITA, and this from a guy who said he hasn't seen his family in a year or more? :confused:



I thought he was at his mother's birthday party just about a month before Caylee went missing? He lives around the corner from them. IIRC.

[Mamie]

Hi JW. Just trying to catch up here after dealing with fam and watching NG.

I think tonights show was better than lastnights for sure. Do people still think Casey is taking the fall for Cindy?


Huh? I'm not clear on what you mean about Casey taking the fall for Cindy. What? When? Thank you in advance.

[rosejustrose]

wasnt it important enough to turn off his cell phone? Just another tiny note of someone who thinks they are very important. He doesnt respect the situation enough to even turn off the phone.
And, they incessantly call each other. I'd run for the hills. I dont answer my phone, sometimes. But if someone continued to call me like that I'd think the house was on fire.
What; is up with that? No I shouldnt ask, my family in the city does the same thing, they have the phone growing out of one ear. I dont live like that. Im so happy I dont have to (hehe)
The Investigation, was what Lee had took part in. And the Detective made it very clear, this is an "investigation" clearly stating that "im not your friend or buddy, bro".
What is the situation with the NY phone calls? Who lives in NY? Why dont we know yet?
June 5th, the last time Lee saw Caylee, at Cindy's birthday, where she had ordered all the alcohol, yes? All the WINE that Casey talked about on myspace or her txts....but she did talk about it. I'd have to say everyone was wasted on the weekend of the 5th. Which is closer to the date, that I think Caylee, died. Well that's my 2c.
Dots

Hey dots:seeya: ITA. I thought it was rude that none of them turned off their cell phone. I do recall that LE asked Lee to follow up on a few things and they told him they were following up on those NY phone calls. Could be related to when TonE was in NY, who knows. But, the fact that Lee's father kept calling him during his interview kind of tells me they might have been a little wary of what he may say. IMO, this family is way beyond help. I think there's a lot more going on inside the anthony home than we'll ever know. JMO.

[SavannahStar]

I immediately flashed on Scott Peterson.

LE of course needs to keep their phones on, imo. They might get a life or death call, ya think? Casey Anthony is not their only priority, and who know, they might get a "live Caylee" call. imo

I was speaking of other "witnesses" (not LE) being interviewed that had their cell phones ring. I noticed, I didn't pick Lee out of any of the others. Did you?

[Rebel Rouzer]

Huh? I'm not clear on what you mean about Casey taking the fall for Cindy. What? When? Thank you in advance.

SOME posters were speculating and accusing Cindy Anthony of killing Caylee and saying she gave a script to Casey and Casey was taking the fall for Cindy. I was asking if they still believed that or were posting about it etc.

I was NOT one of them to be clear on that.

[rosejustrose]

I may describe Cindy in a lot of different ways ... but patsy just isn't one I would think applies.

Controlling, manipulating, innappropriate ... yes. But patsy? I don't think she's anyone's patsy.

IMO

Patsy was probably, no was, the wrong word. I think she's desperate and will run with anything handed her way that deflects from reality. JMO.

[GrannyB]

I thought he was at his mother's birthday party just about a month before Caylee went missing? He lives around the corner from them. IIRC.

When this nightmare started Lee said he hadn't seen Casey and/or the family for about a year. Yea I know, they all lie.

[Rebel Rouzer]

She will have to live in her car like Diane Downs did when she was kicked out by her father........oh wait she does not have a car now does she?

What stinks is that being out on bond they have to have a stable address and if Cindy kicked Casey out then she would have to go back to jail or have someone else give her a stable address. Couldn't be her car or any car.

[need2no]

Are you talking about Lee in his interview? He was not the only one in interviews who had their cell phone ring. Did you notice that?

Yes, I did notice...don't they know how to cut their phones off?


Lee said it was his parents calling, and the detective said they were calling him too. He offered to let, even encouraged Lee to call his parents back and tell them what he was doing...Lee refused. I wonder why he didn't just call back and say "hey I'm in the middle of an interview with LE, I'll call you when I'm finished." Seemed odd to me they didn't know where he was, and if they did know that they would call.

Was he afraid they would try to put words in his mouth, or somehow threaten him if he said this, that and the other to LE?

[GrannyB]

SOME posters werespeculating and accusing Cindy Anthony of killing Caylee and saying she gave a script to Casey and Casey was taking the fall for Cindy. I was asking if they still belived that or were posting about it etc.

I was NOT one of them to be clear on that.


I was the one and I never said Casey was taking the fall for Cindy. I do believe at this time it's more likely Cindy did this than Casey.
Apparently you misunderstood my posts. And I haven't seen anything to change my mind yet.

[SavannahStar]

ITA, and this from a guy who said he hasn't seen his family in a year or more? :confused:


Joan, do we actually have a link to that? I'd appreciate it, if you (or anyone) had one. I've seen that bandied about, that he hadn't seen the family in a year. But this case has gone on so long now, I can't remember if I actually heard it or if I did, where I did. Let's try to get the truth out, on that, okay? Anyone got a link?

[rosejustrose]

When do we get to listen or view these?

Thanks for the link. I hadn't read or heard yet so I appreciate it even if it was a repeat of someone else posting it. Thanks again

Hey, RR. I hadn't heard about this either and I am really looking forward to listening to two hours of Cindy - NOT. But, I think it will be telling. Actually, I can't wait to hear what she has to say giving the two weeks she had to think about things. :rolleyes:

[Joan Weiss]

wasnt it important enough to turn off his cell phone? Just another tiny note of someone who thinks they are very important. He doesnt respect the situation enough to even turn off the phone.
And, they incessantly call each other. I'd run for the hills. I dont answer my phone, sometimes. But if someone continued to call me like that I'd think the house was on fire.
What; is up with that? No I shouldnt ask, my family in the city does the same thing, they have the phone growing out of one ear. I dont live like that. Im so happy I dont have to (hehe)
The Investigation, was what Lee had took part in. And the Detective made it very clear, this is an "investigation" clearly stating that "im not your friend or buddy, bro".
What is the situation with the NY phone calls? Who lives in NY? Why dont we know yet?
June 5th, the last time Lee saw Caylee, at Cindy's birthday, where she had ordered all the alcohol, yes? All the WINE that Casey talked about on myspace or her txts....but she did talk about it. I'd have to say everyone was wasted on the weekend of the 5th. Which is closer to the date, that I think Caylee, died. Well that's my 2c.
DotsTony went to NY. He said he didn't want to talk to Casey at 3AM, he didn't have time for lengthy phone calls. Sounds like that's who is/was in NY. imo

[Rebel Rouzer]

I was the one and I never said Casey was taking the fall for Cindy. I do believe at this time it's more likely Cindy did this than Casey.
Apparently you misunderstood my posts. And I haven't seen anything to change my mind yet.


I believe my last post to you spoke for itself and I believe your posts speak for themselves.

I'll be skipping and scrolling from this point forward. Thanks :seeya:

[kakax]

Joan, do we actually have a link to that? I'd appreciate it, if you (or anyone) had one. I've seen that bandied about, that he hadn't seen the family in a year. But this case has gone on so long now, I can't remember if I actually heard it or if I did, where I did. Let's try to get the truth out, on that, okay? Anyone got a link?


I'll go look in his statement...IIRC he said that Caylee was there but Casey wasn't. Brb.

[Joan Weiss]

Joan, do we actually have a link to that? I'd appreciate it, if you (or anyone) had one. I've seen that bandied about, that he hadn't seen the family in a year. But this case has gone on so long now, I can't remember if I actually heard it or if I did, where I did. Let's try to get the truth out, on that, okay? Anyone got a link?He said that at the get-go, when he was doing media interviews. I can't look for a link right now. imo

[Cury-us Coyote]

Ugh, that makes me sick. What's wrong with these people?? I will never understand it.

The pausing and silence when he asks about the dead squirrels is really making me uncomfortable. And what is with Lee raising his voice at the end of sentences? WOW. So telling, this interview.
" I referenced the car smell" again, around Moms Birthday. Again we have that date of june 5th; the 8th, then the 9th. I think the 5th is much closer. Its that weekend of the birthday party and they were all there together. There was alcohol involved. Casey said she would need a lot of it, because of her "mother" that day...we know that.

IIRC, Casey was not in attendance for her Mother's Birthday on June 5th but celebrating a friends b-day instead. Perhaps you are confusing the date with Caylee's b-day.
jmo

[SavannahStar]

Yes, I did notice...don't they know how to cut their phones off?


Lee said it was his parents calling, and the detective said they were calling him too. He offered to let, even encouraged Lee to call his parents back and tell them what he was doing...Lee refused. I wonder why he didn't just call back and say "hey I'm in the middle of an interview with LE, I'll call you when I'm finished." Seemed odd to me they didn't know where he was, and if they did know that they would call.

Was he afraid they would try to put words in his mouth, or somehow threaten him if he said this, that and the other to LE?

Point being..Lee was "chastised" for being rude for not turning his cell off. Neither did other witnesses. That's what my post was about.

But of course if you see something sinister in Lee's actions, personally, well that's how you see it. What about the others, though?

[aubrey04]

You know who else freaks my freak? Brandon. He looks a little scary, have no idea he is probably a really nice guy, but what upset Casey so much, when she saw him. Is HE Caylee's father, and she had to "deal" with seeing him that night?
A little too much reality for her maybe??

:cuss:

GAH

What does Brandon look like? How did you see him? I was going through myspace accounts and came across a Brandon guy.. just curious if it was one in the same. Does he have a large nose? (not trying to be mean - just trying to see if I was looking at the same guys myspace)

[Rebel Rouzer]

Hey, RR. I hadn't heard about this either and I am really looking forward to listening to two hours of Cindy - NOT. But, I think it will be telling. Actually, I can't wait to hear what she has to say giving the two weeks she had to think about things. :rolleyes:

I'd rather hear or read Cindy and George's depositions but video interviews work unless they are media interviews we have already seen. lol

I don't think i have ever witnessed a case like this one.

[GrannyB]

Joan, do we actually have a link to that? I'd appreciate it, if you (or anyone) had one. I've seen that bandied about, that he hadn't seen the family in a year. But this case has gone on so long now, I can't remember if I actually heard it or if I did, where I did. Let's try to get the truth out, on that, okay? Anyone got a link?

I'll try and look for it tomorrow. I'm just too tired tonight. It was at the very beginning. Probably the first time we saw him. I just can't remember who he was talking to. Probably on Greta cause I don't watch Nancy that often.

[SavannahStar]

He said that at the get-go, when he was doing media interviews. I can't look for a link right now. imo


Oh, okay. Well maybe someone CAN come up with a link.

I don't think I'd read too much into it. So he didn't go there regularly in a year, but he spent a short amount of time on June 5 at his mom's birthday, is that all? No biggie to me.

[bcrmom]

OMG he even goes so far as to give reasons why nothing could be recovered on the laptop; reasons why it wouldnt "open" reasons why he "didnt" log into it. I'll bet that when LE copied the drive they found out something totally different. I dont believe him.
I see warrants coming. A Grand Jury.

And needless to say, Yes Im still listening and Im freaking out!!! He actually puts the PC as being "deleted" and "someone" deleting all the files.....he actually isnt very smart at ALL!!!! O M G
Really stupid?!?! Listen to this, he actually gives REASONS FIRST as to why no one can log onto the machine yet he KNOWS that EVERYTHING has been deleted??? He deleted it!

STOP! My head just exploded. May I borrow a mop, please?

:eek:


Lee is a freekin' liar and he's been covering this up for a long time. Remember last week on NG, Lenny said to look at Lee way back when he was sent out to look for his sister. Something happened then, he found out something and has been covering ever since. But, then again, he sounds like he's trying to convict Casey when he's talking to LE.

Remember that even if he couldn't get into Casey's stuff on the PC using her PW, he could log on with his mom's PW, as administrator, and do whatever he wanted to that pc. He'd still need Casey's PW to the myspace page and other websites, but he could easily access her email through the admin acct.

[rosejustrose]

I was speaking of other "witnesses" (not LE) being interviewed that had their cell phones ring. I noticed, I didn't pick Lee out of any of the others. Did you?

I agree, Anthony and Jesse also had their cell phones on. And, IIRC, Jesse even took a call. I'm sorry but Jesse's second interview just creeped me out. I never was a Hardy Boys fan and he just kind of gave me the willies with his own investigation into all of this. JMO.

[Mamie]

SOME posters were speculating and accusing Cindy Anthony of killing Caylee and saying she gave a script to Casey and Casey was taking the fall for Cindy. I was asking if they still believed that or were posting about it etc.

I was NOT one of them to be clear on that.

Thanks for explaining RR, truly. I can't see that happening myself, either, because Casey would have her mother FOREVER right where she wanted her, but mainly because it's clear to me by Cindy's actions and what others have said about Cindy and Caylee that she loved her far too much. JMO

[hamebone]

Huh? I'm not clear on what you mean about Casey taking the fall for Cindy. What? When? Thank you in advance.


Lee said he was at his mother Bday June the 5th...IIRC

[SavannahStar]

I agree, Anthony and Jesse also had their cell phones on. And, IIRC, Jesse even took a call. I'm sorry but Jesse's second interview just creeped me out. I never was a Hardy Boys fan and he just kind of gave me the willies with his own investigation into all of this. JMO.

Well thanks for that, rose. I just didn't think it was fair to single out Lee for being "whatever" for not turning off his cell. Neither did others.

I have to read Jesse's interviews again. And listen. I'm too caught up tonight in posting...

TY.

[steffaroob4]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I just saw this buried in this link and I'm looking forward to seeing the video



Friday, the State Attorney's Office is releasing the videotaped interview with Caylee's grandmother Cindy, which was done two weeks after she reported Caylee missing. It is two hours long.

Prosecutors are also releasing Casey's computer records, which show that Casey deleted Yahoo mail and some photographs of Caylee.


http://www.wftv.com/news/17549736/detail.html

ewww, good times, I have the popcorn, I can't wait.
This is going to be good, I will be waiting on the edge of my seat.
I missed NG, I will try to catch it at 10.

I think the chloroform will be the key to all of this.

[rosejustrose]

Yes, I did notice...don't they know how to cut their phones off?


Lee said it was his parents calling, and the detective said they were calling him too. He offered to let, even encouraged Lee to call his parents back and tell them what he was doing...Lee refused. I wonder why he didn't just call back and say "hey I'm in the middle of an interview with LE, I'll call you when I'm finished." Seemed odd to me they didn't know where he was, and if they did know that they would call.

Was he afraid they would try to put words in his mouth, or somehow threaten him if he said this, that and the other to LE?

Good points on all points, IMO. I think Lee brushed his parents off as a way of saying "Hey, I'm the important one now, not Casey". I really do think he took a backseat to Casey while they were growing up and this is his time to shine, in a weird sort of way. Make sense? JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Point being..Lee was "chastised" for being rude for not turning his cell off. Neither did other witnesses. That's what my post was about.

But of course if you see something sinister in Lee's actions, personally, well that's how you see it. What about the others, though?

None of the others have Anthony as their last name.


*snipped*


Sorry but........:lol:

No this CASE isn't funny, but your response is.

And how true.

[day2day]

SOME posters were speculating and accusing Cindy Anthony of killing Caylee and saying she gave a script to Casey and Casey was taking the fall for Cindy. I was asking if they still believed that or were posting about it etc.

I was NOT one of them to be clear on that.

Hey Reb
I don't believe Cindy killed Caylee. But i do believe that Cindy sort of led this case in the direction of a "kidnapping" when she said..."WHO TOOK CAYLEE"...

Lee spending 2 hours to get the puter bothers me ...and of course the $200.00 really bothers me.

If i didn't know why Lee was bein interviewed-I would never have guessed that his niece had been missing for 31 days?!! :shrug:

jmo

[SavannahStar]

ewww, good times, I have the popcorn, I can't wait.
This is going to be good, I will be waiting on the edge of my seat.
I missed NG, I will try to catch it at 10.

I think the chloroform will be the key to all of this.

And I think chloroform will be the LEAST of this....a red herring if you will.

We'll find out though! :seeya:

[Rebel Rouzer]

STOP! My head just exploded. May I borrow a mop, please?

:eek:


Lee is a freekin' liar and he's been covering this up for a long time. Remember last week on NG, Lenny said to look at Lee way back when he was sent out to look for his sister. Something happened then, he found out something and has been covering ever since. But, then again, he sounds like he's trying to convict Casey when he's talking to LE.

Remember that even if he couldn't get into Casey's stuff on the PC using her PW, he could log on with his mom's PW, as administrator, and do whatever he wanted to that pc. He'd still need Casey's PW to the myspace page and other websites, but he could easily access her email through the admin acct.

Lee's actions and responses give me the impression he has been working with LE in some way to get answers from Casey and family.

Remember Ryan's interview with LE? They asked him about being able to talk to Casey and get information? Remember Lee at bond hearing saying Casey would confide in him about things she wouldn't to others?

Reports saying someone extremely close to the family blah blah blah?

The family believing their house was buged according to reports?

Think about it. It is quite possible. IMO

[rosejustrose]

Joan, do we actually have a link to that? I'd appreciate it, if you (or anyone) had one. I've seen that bandied about, that he hadn't seen the family in a year. But this case has gone on so long now, I can't remember if I actually heard it or if I did, where I did. Let's try to get the truth out, on that, okay? Anyone got a link?


I'm with you on this one. I don't think that's the truth. He was at his parent's house on June 5th for his mother's b-day. How can he possibly say he hadn't been there for over a year when he was there in the last month and a half. Makes no sense. I think he visited, maybe not frequently, but he visited, IMO.

[kakax]

Lee said he was at his mother Bday June the 5th...IIRC

Yes it was on page 41 and it was June 5th. He admitted that he didn't stay long, other obligations yada yada yada. He said this was the last time he saw Caylee.

[rosejustrose]

IIRC, Casey was not in attendance for her Mother's Birthday on June 5th but celebrating a friends b-day instead. Perhaps you are confusing the date with Caylee's b-day.
jmo


I agree. That would have been the same day as Troy's b-day, IIRC.

[need2no]

Joan, do we actually have a link to that? I'd appreciate it, if you (or anyone) had one. I've seen that bandied about, that he hadn't seen the family in a year. But this case has gone on so long now, I can't remember if I actually heard it or if I did, where I did. Let's try to get the truth out, on that, okay? Anyone got a link?


I don't have a link but this response came from Lee when he was asked by a reporter if his family had laid concrete on the July 4th weekend. He replied he didn't know because he hadn't been home in a year (or two), can't recall which he said.

I've looked, but have not been successful in finding a link...it's there though, unless it's been deleted.

[Rayosunshine]

IIRC, she did.

Somehow I don't believe her.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Cury-us Coyote]

IF all of Casey's yahoo emails prior to July 15 were deleted, how do you theorize LA was able to provide the EVENT TONIGHT email chain dated May 14, 2008 and earlier and included beginning on page 411???? TIA

[Pruddennce]

Thanks, Pru. I'm wondering if Lee had her PW previous to his asking for it in the jail visit. Maybe asking for it at jail was just a ruse? Could he download her pics without her PW?

as far as I know Joan,you have to login to access your page to alter data on it.

getting the passwords: well, first off casey 'claims' she was busily designing the missing information on the web about caylee...that was in the jailhouse call.

but he was alone with her at the house on and off before LE arrived so he could have easily been provided the logins. IMO

On another note:
Lee said all of his communication with Heather was via email.

I am anxious to know how LE's conversation shook out with Heather.....and her so-called 'reaching out to Lee' emails...he claims SHE contacted him to set the record straight about what she was reading in the news.

????

did LE get the emails from him?

best regards,
Pru

[day2day]

None of the others have Anthony as their last name.

Lee, in his interview, is obviously trying to implicate someone for the deletion of what was on the laptop.

I believe he is trying to implicate Tony.

Too bad for Lee... he implicates himself more than anyone else.


Another thing..He went on and on about how her things were packed SO neatly that she wouldn't have packed them like that ..yada yada yada...when we go on vacation-yada yada yada...
IF her things were packed why did it take him 2 hours to get back home? What was he doing?

jmo

[impartial]

ewww, good times, I have the popcorn, I can't wait.
This is going to be good, I will be waiting on the edge of my seat.
I missed NG, I will try to catch it at 10.

I think the chloroform will be the key to all of this.


I don't think chloroform has anything to do with this. Chloroform evaporates twice as fast as fingernail polish. Chloroform probably has more to do with getting the stench out of the car.

As far as Casey's/Cindy's computer having chloroform on it ... remember the picture of the chloroform "ad" that Casey's friend had on his myspace/facebook ... if she visited that, it would show up on her cache. Don't ask me how, someone else explained it to me.

IMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

Hey Reb
I don't believe Cindy killed Caylee. But i do believe that Cindy sort of led this case in the direction of a "kidnapping" when she said..."WHO TOOK CAYLEE"...

Lee spending 2 hours to get the puter bothers me ...and of course the $200.00 really bothers me.

If i didn't know why Lee was bein interviewed-I would never have guessed that his niece had been missing for 31 days?!! :shrug:

jmo


I've been doing a little more research about inappriate laughter or giggling. I still think with him being so forthcoming it's a nervous or neurological issue of some sort. I may be way off base but he wasn't covering anything up with his deposition so who knows. :shrug:

[kakax]

Yes and we are led to believe anyone would pay these folks for the movie rights to THEIR storey?...and which storey would that be?....Someone from Hollywood is going to pay them money to be able to sit done with them and work on a movie?

You would have to pay ME plenty to sit down with Cindy and try to work on anything for any amount of time......and to expect to accomplish anything......IMPOSSIBLE....

It would be like Small Sacrifices author Ann Rule writing that book from Diane Downs point view..........ain't gonna happen......


In that case, they had a witness who could tell what happened. Wasn't it after her daughter finally after months of therapy was able to write her mother shot her, and that is when they charged her?

That case still haunts me to this day.

[Pruddennce]

IF all of Casey's yahoo emails prior to July 15 were deleted, how do you theorize LA was able to provide the EVENT TONIGHT email chain dated May 14, 2008 and earlier and included beginning on page 411???? TIA

and several others he claimed were back at his parents house?

there it is again.....inconsistencies.

best regards,
Pru

[bcrmom]

Lee's actions and responses give me the impression he has been working with LE in some way to get answers from Casey and family.

Remember Ryan's interview with LE? They asked him about being able to talk to Casey and get information? Remember Lee at bond hearing saying Casey would confide in him about things she wouldn't to others?

Reports saying someone extremely close to the family blah blah blah?

The family believing their house was buged according to reports?

Think about it. It is quite possible. IMO

I think he's a double-agent. He's trying to play both ends and we know how that always ends.

I wonder when they'll arrest him on fraud charges for stealing the donations.

That whole family...oh, if only this were some whacked-out reality show and not really real. :(

[Joan Weiss]

STOP! My head just exploded. May I borrow a mop, please?

:eek:


Lee is a freekin' liar and he's been covering this up for a long time. Remember last week on NG, Lenny said to look at Lee way back when he was sent out to look for his sister. Something happened then, he found out something and has been covering ever since. But, then again, he sounds like he's trying to convict Casey when he's talking to LE.

Remember that even if he couldn't get into Casey's stuff on the PC using her PW, he could log on with his mom's PW, as administrator, and do whatever he wanted to that pc. He'd still need Casey's PW to the myspace page and other websites, but he could easily access her email through the admin acct.What makes you think he has his mother's PW?

[hamebone]

I don't have a link but this response came from Lee when he was asked by a reporter if his family had laid concrete on the July 4th weekend. He replied he didn't know because he hadn't been home in a year (or two), can't recall which he said.

I've looked, but have not been successful in finding a link...it's there though, unless it's been deleted.

I remember that kind of...vague...but wasnt he talking about actually living there?

[rosejustrose]

Hey Reb
I don't believe Cindy killed Caylee. But i do believe that Cindy sort of led this case in the direction of a "kidnapping" when she said..."WHO TOOK CAYLEE"...

Lee spending 2 hours to get the puter bothers me ...and of course the $200.00 really bothers me.

If i didn't know why Lee was bein interviewed-I would never have guessed that his niece had been missing for 31 days?!! :shrug:

jmo


I agree. I couldn't beleive Lee was so cavalier and jovial during his interview. Did he not realize that the overpowering odor that drove him out the garage was all that remained of his niece??? And now, I saw a post upthread that his girlfriend is having a baby. Can that possibly be true? Who's gonna be her godmother, Casey? JMO

[bcrmom]

Exactly!! Please lend me your Mop when you are done, I need it too, My head exploded bigtime. I'd ask for Xanax but Im not that heartless
:rose:


At least I didn't ask to borrow a shovel. :rolleyes: altho it did cross my tired widdle mind.

Mind's fried. Time for ice cream and a break.

(How does CW possibly keep up with all this AND her other threads/boards?? :eek:)

[day2day]

I've been doing a little more research about inappriate laughter or giggling. I still think with him being so forthcoming it's a nervous or neurological issue of some sort. I may be way off base but he wasn't covering anything up with his deposition so who knows. :shrug:

It will be interesting to find out when the computer was emptied. It will also be nice to find out when the chloroform searches were performed. I'm not convinced of his innocence --just yet. He scares me a little. Not that he was lying-but he goes onnnnnnnnn and on...and onnn. Like his sister!

jmo