thursday9/25 Afternoon Thread/Day 101

[barskin&co.]

Cindy already said she was watching Caylee Caylee and Casey were still living at home during that time.

Casey did not leav with Caylee deceased or living until after the 15th.

Exactly, Rebel. We do know that Caylee was alive and well on June 15. After that.....:shrug:

[kakax]

Kakax, that has not been confirmed to my knowledge.

It bothers me so that Lee A made an attempt to undermine LE....they were grilling him about that....his exit from the home to retrieve her stuff, when it was LE's job to do that, in proper order. as in the next day, IIRC they produced a search warrant...and in fact Tony's place was searched on TWO occasions.

but, there's Lee, who removed her stuff between 12 midnite and 2:30am while the event was unfolding.

best regards,
Pru



Sorry, I'm way behind on these posts...

It is disturbing that Lee removed her things so quickly, and we know that he went through her things...2 hours to do this and to recall how neatly it was packed. Wonder how neatly packed it was once he got home, because I'm sure he rummaged through it.

I hope LE was able to get info off of that computer. Even if he wiped it out, I would think that forensics could get information off it. Praying that is the case. Didn't NG's producer say that the laptop was the one that the chloroform searches were done? Or am I wishfully thinking.

[martha]

I saw the clip of Cindy and George on Greta again where he was talking about the last time he saw them. I could swear when he was explaining he knew the time exactly cause he was watching his favorite show..he started to say what sounded to be news or something and Cindy talked over him and said the cooking show.Yes it did seem like cindy was helping him tell his story. I am thinking now that ga did not see them on the 16th. I think casey may have left her mom and dad after the big fuss late on the 15th. jmho:rose:

[Rebel Rouzer]

Not at all. What makes you think she did know? Something Cindy or George said?No Actually the evidence thus far. I've actually read/listened and paid attention to it. Shocker I know.

Some cowboys go out like that. :D

[GrannyB]

grannyb I don;t understand what you mean by this???/ just asking. I always love reading your post so I just did not understand what you ment by this post.:rose:

I think when Casey was picked up by Cindy and taken back to the house she was told what happened and given the script she was told to go by. I believe it was what forced Cindy to make the first 911 call.
She didn't want to go along. Took quite a while to finally get to the last 911 call when the script began. And Lee was probably the one who told Casey.

[steffaroob4]

No, not unless you burn it, imo.

http://www.boydcreative.net/1/5-ways-to-destroy-your-hard-drive/


I had a program that wiped a hard drive, writing over 0s several times ontop of files, from what I recall, it was said to be like the programs the gov't used on their computers to wipe a hard drive, that was about 6 years ago, so I am not sure what the new software can recover from something like that.

[JanDoe]

What if Caylee were asleep inside the car when Casey went to Tony's on June 15. Before she goes inside the apartment she takes a sleeping
Caylee and places her in the trunk............just a theory.

[MyrDawn]

I don't think Casey knew Caylee was missing til Cindy and Amy picked her up.

Do you mean you think Cindy is the one that had something to do with Caylees disappearance and Casey is innocent?

[GrannyB]

No Actually the evidence thus far. I've actually read/listened and paid attention to it. Shocker I know.

Some cowboys go out like that. :D

What evidence said she knew?

[martha]

I don;t think anyone would have said 31 days if they had not been counting. most would have said 4 wks.or a month. I thought that was strange from the first that she said 31 days like she had counted everyday.jmho:rose:

[Regina.Lampert]

I haven't heard the audio of Lee's yet but read the transcript. There are so many times where (laughs) comes at the end of his sentences.
I thought it was creepy since his niece is missing. Guess I'll have to actually hear it to see if it's a nervous laugh or a 'I'm hiding info' laugh.

Hi Duckie, imo it's not a nervous laugh, it's a full laugh at something he obviously thinks is humorous. Creep!

[JanDoe]

[QUOTE=the breeze;12184943]So your thinking the grandparents did this:shrug: just asking not being mean would just like to know what your thinking.[/QUO

I don't think the GP's had anything to do with the disappearance....after all, they let Casey live when she was 3.

[barskin&co.]

Not at all. What makes you think she did know? Something Cindy or George said?

Granny, she was lying to her friends about Caylee being at the beach with her nanny, or being at Disney with her nanny, etc. Cindy, on the other hand, was screaming to high heavens about not being able to see Caylee. She contacted Amy and had her take her to Tony's and demanded in Amy's presence to show her Caylee. She called the police on Casey twice in order to force her to show her Caylee. Casey was heard on an early 911 saying to Cindy "give me one more day." Cindy was the one who frantically called the police about Caylee being "kidnapped." How does this add up to your theory?

[crymeariver2006]

I saw the clip of Cindy and George on Greta again where he was talking about the last time he saw them. I could swear when he was explaining he knew the time exactly cause he was watching his favorite show..he started to say what sounded to be news or something and Cindy talked over him and said the cooking show.


He did. Then Cindy finished the sentence for him and said "cooking show".

And I remember thinking "How does she know? She wasn't even there!"

[JanDoe]

Cindy is saying she tucked them both in the night of the 15th.


Maybe Casey left in the night.....maybe Cindy is not being truthful....or
who knows anything for sure exept Caylee is gone.

[GrannyB]

Do you mean you think Cindy is the one that had something to do with Caylees disappearance and Casey is innocent?

Yes I think Cindy. No I don't think Casey is innocent. She should have gotten help a long time ago and protected Caylee from Cindy. I don't think she could ever make herself admit to outsiders what went on in that house but she was Caylee's mother and she should have protected her. I'm not giving Casey a free pass. I just believe whatever happened happened under Cindy's watch not Casey's.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Granny, she was lying to her friends about Caylee being at the beach with her nanny, or being at Disney with her nanny, etc. Cindy, on the other hand, was screaming to high heavens about not being able to see Caylee. She contacted Amy and had her take her to Tony's and demanded in Amy's presence to show her Caylee. She called the police on Casey twice in order to force her to show her Caylee. Casey was heard on an early 911 saying to Cindy "give me one more day." Cindy was the one who frantically called the police about Caylee being "kidnapped." How does this add up to your theory?

It doesn't. IMO

[martha]

I think when Casey was picked up by Cindy and taken back to the house she was told what happened and given the script she was told to go by. I believe it was what forced Cindy to make the first 911 call.
She didn't want to go along. Took quite a while to finally get to the last 911 call when the script began. And Lee was probably the one who told Casey.
Well I know you or a lot smarter than I am but I just can;t see this being this way. I think the a's know now that something happened to caylee and casey did it and they or now covering for casey. Casey is so very cold. as a grandmother I would die if I let something happen to one of my gk. just die. jmho:rose:

[GrannyB]

The fact shes NOT blaming the Gparents.


Once again I don't know how to explain why I think Casey does what she does. Cindy and Casey fight , scream etc. but when push comes to shove and it in the public Casey won't say a word against Cindy.

[MyrDawn]

Yes I think Cindy. No I don't think Casey is innocent. She should have gotten help a long time ago and protected Caylee from Cindy. I don't think she could ever make herself admit to outsiders what went on in that house but she was Caylee's mother and she should have protected her. I'm not giving Casey a free pass. I just believe whatever happened happened under Cindy's watch not Casey's.

What evidence is there Cindy murdered Caylee? Why would the whole family, including Casey, let Cindy pin it on Casey? And what accounts for all the lying Casey did about Caylees whereabouts between the last time anyone saw Caylee and Cindy came and got Casey?

[jammies]

FOX News covering Casey's text messages after the break. (or in the next hour!!! ;) )

[Rayosunshine]

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Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[tiny paw-prints]

(snipped)

Those are the things Lee took from the apartment. EVERYTHING was packed. SO what the he## was he doin there for 2.5 hours?! Cleaning the puter -maybe?!

jmo

I think it's possible that Cindy or Casey gave Lee orders to do whatever he did. It was Cindy's laptop computer!

Say for example, if Casey left the house on 6/15, she would have wanted to take Cindy's laptop--or perhaps she merely "lifted" it out of the house on any given day after 6/15.

LE took more than 1 puter? If so, maybe the cholorform info was found on another puter other than Cindy's laptop?

[Joan Weiss]

I agree. I don't know for sure, but it doesn't appear drugs were an issue. Casey, only 22, must still have oily skin.

When Meth affects the face (the toxic poison coming out of the pores), it looks like a case of acne.

imoLee's skin doesn't look so hot, either. Maybe they just have bad skin. imo

[JanDoe]

Cindy probably tucked Caylee in..I dont find that sick at all.

I think Casey tucked Caylee into the trunk of her car so she could go
inside Tony's apartment. Possible that Caylee suffocated in the trunk.

[barskin&co.]

Once again I don't know how to explain why I think Casey does what she does. Cindy and Casey fight , scream etc. but when push comes to shove and it in the public Casey won't say a word against Cindy.

Look at the documents. Look at Amy's and Tony's interviews. Listen to the jailhouse phone call. Oh she'll say plenty in public against her mother.

[Joan Weiss]

Not for murder. Great friend he was. throw her stuff out in the street with a big red blow on it.


JMO. she sure knew how to pick em.He didn't throw it out in the street. And I'm not so sure he packed her things, either. We only have Lee's word on that. He did talk to Amy though, and IIRC, asked Casey for an explanation. I don't know when he did that...

He also found Amy's checkbook, and returned it to her. imo

[Rebel Rouzer]

Cindy probably tucked Caylee in..I dont find that sick at all.


Giving a hug or a kiss to your daughter and doing the same to your grandchild or tucking grandchild into bed. Is not sick. It's pretty normal. In MOST households with children and grandchildren anyway.

[Armchairdet]

Just found out on FOX that ZG is going to sue Casey. So of course I came here to catch up on todays development.

[Pruddennce]

I would like to know that as well. But George says the last time he saw them was on Monday the 16th at 1:00 p.m.

Give those people calendars and watches please! hammer

lol...but that is precisely what LE was trying to pin down:

did Caylee and Casey spend the nite of June 15th in their house?

he specifically asks Lee what he 'knows' of that last sighting and he passes the baton and simply says, paraphrasing, thats what his dad told him.

we have not gotten an accurate answer to that. LE was attempting to confirm that.

IMO, LE has found out the truth. not what the Anthonys stated all over the media......that was fiction to keep their 'problems' under wraps.

best regards,
Pru

[MyrDawn]

Can I ask what kind of sick "person" would tuck them in bed. I would use another word, but I don't want to get banned. JMO.

From what I understand, both Casey and Caylee slept in the same double bed, even though Caylee had her own room.

What's sick about a woman tucking her daughter and granddaughter into bed for the night? :shrug:

[martha]

I know this is the most mixxed up case I have ever seen but no way do I think casey would take the blame for anyone. no not casey she only cares about her self. she is #1 in her book. it looks like cindy thought casey was #1 also. cindy should not have let casey get by with all she had done. It has not bothered casey to steal from everyone even her gp and gm. casey was not taught any respect for anyone in her life. now that is ca and ga fault. but for caylee it is casey's fault what ever happened to her. she may not get charged with caylee death but she sure will be charged with loosing caylee. she has not been found yet.jmho:rose: just how can you lose your own child???

[GrannyB]

Well I know you or a lot smarter than I am but I just can;t see this being this way. I think the a's know now that something happened to caylee and casey did it and they or now covering for casey. Casey is so very cold. as a grandmother I would die if I let something happen to one of my gk. just die. jmho:rose:

No Martha I am not smarter. My ex's family is just like the Anthony's.
Grown kids letting a parent control them totally. The children raised in a family with a controller like Cindy will do whatever the controller tells them. I hope I'm wrong and no one hurt Caylee and she safe with someone who loves her. But I don't think so.

[GrannyB]

Can I ask what kind of sick "person" would tuck them in bed. I would use another word, but I don't want to get banned. JMO.

From what I understand, both Casey and Caylee slept in the same double bed, even though Caylee had her own room.


Cindy??? I know, I'm bad but I couldn't help it.

[Joan Weiss]

I haven't heard the audio of Lee's yet but read the transcript. There are so many times where (laughs) comes at the end of his sentences.
I thought it was creepy since his niece is missing. Guess I'll have to actually hear it to see if it's a nervous laugh or a 'I'm hiding info' laugh.How about "I'm betraying the family" laugh? Guilt? Maybe implying "They're a riot, but don't count me in this circus..." imo

[kitty1182]

IMO, CAsey would never take the blame for cindy or anyone else.No way..Casey IMO killed this child and she acted alone.

[TwinMommie]

I think when Casey was picked up by Cindy and taken back to the house she was told what happened and given the script she was told to go by. I believe it was what forced Cindy to make the first 911 call.
She didn't want to go along. Took quite a while to finally get to the last 911 call when the script began. And Lee was probably the one who told Casey.

Ok, I probably have no room jumping in now; since I have been lurking on here since this story hit the media. But I just can't help myself this theory is crazy! You really think Cindy did something to Caylee, then called 911 involved the police and convinced Casey to take the fall? Really? :confused:

[Joan Weiss]

Giving a hug or a kiss to your daughter and doing the same to your grandchild or tucking grandchild into bed. Is not sick. It's pretty normal. In MOST households with children and grandchildren anyway.Sure, I even hug my little sisters sometimes. imo

[kitty1182]

Ok, I probably have no room jumping in now; since I have been lurking on here since this story hit the media. But I just can't help myself this theory is crazy! You really think Cindy did something to Caylee, then called 911 involved the police and convinced Casey to take the fall? Really? :confused:

Hello and Welcome...I don't buy that either, not for a second!

[JanDoe]

Ok, I probably have no room jumping in now; since I have been lurking on here since this story hit the media. But I just can't help myself this theory is crazy! You really think Cindy did something to Caylee, then called 911 involved the police and convinced Casey to take the fall? Really? :confused:


welcome....no I don't think so....as I said before...I think Casey put
Caylee in that trunk and she suffocated to death. JMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

I think it's more likely there was a showdown that night with doors slamming, etc that Cindy and George are doing everything they can to cover up now.

I won't disagree witht hat but the comment about it being sick to tuck them in I don't agree with and it's pretty normal in most households with children and grandchildren under one roof.

[beckyj]

Yes it did seem like cindy was helping him tell his story. I am thinking now that ga did not see them on the 16th. I think casey may have left her mom and dad after the big fuss late on the 15th. jmho:rose:

I don't disagree with that, but why would they do that? I know, I know, "why would they do anything?"

[Howiefan]

I don't think Casey knew Caylee was missing til Cindy and Amy picked her up.

don't understand

[Armchairdet]

Ok, I probably have no room jumping in now; since I have been lurking on here since this story hit the media. But I just can't help myself this theory is crazy! You really think Cindy did something to Caylee, then called 911 involved the police and convinced Casey to take the fall? Really? :confused:

:seeya: Welcome. You gotta jump in somewhere. IMO

[cassidy]

is it possible Cindy killed Caylee?

I doubt it.

but I think she may be a closet smoker. she kept going outside while Lee was talking to casey. JMO

[Texas48]

Yes. He's nonchalant! How can he be so nonchalant, given the circumstances. Given what he is talking about. This one word pretty much describes it to perfection. Listen to how Casey sounds when she is talking. Other than the several times she lost her temper in jail house conversations she is also nonchalant in her conversations/statements. JMO

[GrannyB]

What evidence is there Cindy murdered Caylee? Why would the whole family, including Casey, let Cindy pin it on Casey? And what accounts for all the lying Casey did about Caylees whereabouts between the last time anyone saw Caylee and Cindy came and got Casey?


Why do Casey's lies mean murder and the rest families lies are covering up? Apparently Casey's been lying for a couple of years about working and who was watching Caylee and she didn't go missing then. We really don't have enough facts to know who did it. I thought we were all coming up with ideas not claiming to really know. Cause LE doesn't even know or one of them would be in jail for murder. And I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their minds either. I've tried and IMO Cindy is a better guess than Casey at this point.

[Ladyhawk]

I Believe that. I believe Cindy gave Casey the opertinity at that point to come up with a story that someone else took her. She should have just stopped after asking what happened or what did you do. IMO

I think Casey answered the "what did you do" question with the I-left-her-with-the-nanny story. Casey had been telling everyone she was with the nanny before her mother drug her home by the ear. I really don't think Casey got the idea of kidnapping from Cindy. I do think that she got the date June 9th from Cindy but not the idea in general.

[MyrDawn]

Ok, I probably have no room jumping in now; since I have been lurking on here since this story hit the media. But I just can't help myself this theory is crazy! You really think Cindy did something to Caylee, then called 911 involved the police and convinced Casey to take the fall? Really? :confused:

Welcome! :seeya:
I agree with you. Cindy would never have concocted that plot to blame Casey. Even if she'd gone completey insane, murdered Caylee and wanted to blame Casey, George, Lee and Casey would never have
gone along with it!
JMO

[martha]

Ok, I probably have no room jumping in now; since I have been lurking on here since this story hit the media. But I just can't help myself this theory is crazy! You really think Cindy did something to Caylee, then called 911 involved the police and convinced Casey to take the fall? Really? :confused: I know what you mean I don;t post much but sometimes things just come up that I can;t get past and not post something about it. I don;t think anyone but casey is to blame for this mess./ Now I do think the a's know caylee is dead and that it was casey that did it but they or going to protect her to the end of time. they have always covered for her and they will keep covering for her. jmho:rose:

[kitty1182]

Why do Casey's lies mean murder and the rest families lies are covering up? Apparently Casey's been lying for a couple of years about working and who was watching Caylee and she didn't go missing then. We really don't have enough facts to know who did it. I thought we were all coming up with ideas not claiming to really know. Cause LE doesn't even know or one of them would be in jail for murder. And I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their minds either. I've tried and IMO Cindy is a better guess than Casey at this point.

IMO. Casey is the only one involved with her daughter being gone, and probally dead..

[Joan Weiss]

To me it sounds like Lee is using the 30 day script. And yes-Cindy gave her the whole nanny story. Lee gets her "things" at midnight.
CINDY's laptop
Large leopard print duffel bag -with all her belongings
White backpack with pattern or symbol-clothing
Large Purse-toiletries
Slender Black Bag-he used it to carry the laptop
Everything was very organized....to organized for Casey to have packed it.
He is MORE worried about who the he$$ packed the bag-than he is about CAYLEE..
Ohhh and Tony had went through her things for the checkbook..HMMM
He got back at 2:25 AM..I thought his talk about the neatly packed bags was strange. Why interject that?

I wonder if Tony did pack them. imo

[tiny paw-prints]

I would like to know where Caylee was and who was watching her between 6/9 and 6/15.

I'm more concerned about who last saw Caylee and when.

So far, this is what I have:

June 10, 2008
Last time Amy saw Caylee.
Last time Ricardo saw Caylee.
Last time Troy saw Caylee, he thinks.

June 11 or 12, 2008
Casey, Caylee and Tony go to Anthony’s house to change Caylee before going to mall to promote Tony’s show. They eat at Cheesecake factory.

June 15, 2008
Cindy with Caylee visiting great-granddad.

[GrannyB]

GrannyB -- you got your C's mixed up again. :D That's what caused the confusion.


Let me try again. What makes anyone think Casey knew. Something Cindy or George said? C's are right on this one.

[oldbluesmith]

JMHO, but I have been recalling the movie "Grifters" and the family dynamics and comparing the dynamics to this family. I just can't help it. That movie scared me silly. Just to think there were people in the world like that. Also vaguely an episode of "Law & Order" where the mother was controlling family members came to mind. I think that one was based on real life. These people scare the life out of me. I would have packed her belongings and put them outside the door for Lee Anthony to pick up if I was Tony Lazzaro. If he knocked, I would have talked through the door. But that is just me and my opinion.

[TwinMommie]

Hello and Welcome...I don't buy that either, not for a second!

Thanks for the welcome! I have my husband obsessed with this case now too and I do think Casey did something to that poor child. But what I can't believe is that she hasn't cracked. Is is possible that with George being a former Police Officer that he has instructed Lee and Casey to keep their mouths shut? That if you don't say anything you don't incriminate yourself? My husband thinks she is going to get away with it, not that we don't think she should but I don't know if the "TRUE" story of what happened will ever come out.

[martha]

I so want caylee to be alive and well and can;t help but keep hoping that will happen. keep hoping casey sold her. or just anything for her to be alive. The stink in the car keeps coming back to mind. I don;t know if they will ever charge casey with anything except loosing her daughter but then again we don;t really know how much le has on casey now. I would do anything for my son and daughter but I could not cover up a death for them. jmho:rose:

[Rebel Rouzer]

Why do Casey's lies mean murder and the rest families lies are covering up? Apparently Casey's been lying for a couple of years about working and who was watching Caylee and she didn't go missing then. We really don't have enough facts to know who did it. I thought we were all coming up with ideas not claiming to really know. Cause LE doesn't even know or one of them would be in jail for murder. And I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their minds either. I've tried and IMO Cindy is a better guess than Casey at this point.

So you must also believe Cindy made Casey drive around with a decomposing body in her trunk as well?
Cindy had her own car towed too I suppose?
Cindy kept Casey from seeing Caylee for 31 days?
Cindy forced Casey to lie about where Caylee was to all her friends before she ever knew Caylee was missing as well?

ALL RIGHTY THEN

[JanDoe]

On Chloroform? I don't think you can suffocate in a trunk because they aren't air tight like a refridgerator.


the panic and fright...... one could die from that....hyperventilate it happens......

[GrannyB]

IMO. Casey is the only one involved with her daughter being gone, and probally dead..


And all I keep asking anyone is why Casey. Show me one thing that proves it. I'm more than willing to change my mind. If I were on a jury and the only facts we had are the ones we have now, I couldn't in good conscience convict either one of them. I would think it was Cindy but I don't see any proof. All I know is Caylee is missing and there are 3 people who lived with her in the house she went missing from.

[luvinlife]

I thought his talk about the neatly packed bags was strange. Why interject that?

I wonder if Tony did pack them. imo



IMO so that LE didn't think that he had been in the bags.

[Ionmhainn]

Cindy probably tucked Caylee in..I dont find that sick at all.


I don't find it sick either, but I DO...then and now...think it was just a turn of phrase = they went to bed. :shrug:

[barskin&co.]

Let me try again. What makes anyone think Casey knew. Something Cindy or George said? C's are right on this one.

Maybe the stench in her car was a tipoff. Frankly, I think Casey has known Caylee was missing ever since she killed her.

[oldbluesmith]

On Chloroform? I don't think you can suffocate in a trunk because they aren't air tight like a refridgerator.
It may not be air tight, but the fumes from the car could have formed around the child while she was driving and asphyxiated the child if she was riding in the trunk. JMO

[cantstandnuts]

No Martha I am not smarter. My ex's family is just like the Anthony's.
Grown kids letting a parent control them totally. The children raised in a family with a controller like Cindy will do whatever the controller tells them. I hope I'm wrong and no one hurt Caylee and she safe with someone who loves her. But I don't think so.


Well, I believe someone did hurt Caylee, but it wasn't Cindy. Your theory doesn't mesh with what is known in this case and what's known points straight to Casey Anthony. And I can't see her taking the fall for anyone. As for Cindy being controlling, I can buy that, but not so controlling that she was able to get Casey to say where Caylee is. I don't think Casey can be broken by anyone and that would mean to me that this child isn't doing whatever the controller is telling her to do, meaning Cindy isn't as controlling as you might think she is and the Anthony family isn't exactly like that of your ex. JMO

[kitty1182]

And all I keep asking anyone is why Casey. Show me one thing that proves it. I'm more than willing to change my mind. If I were on a jury and the only facts we had are the ones we have now, I couldn't in good conscience convict either one of them. I would think it was Cindy but I don't see any proof. All I know is Caylee is missing and there are 3 people who lived with her in the house she went missing from.

Casey even told her mom she hasn't seen Caylee in 31 days, the nanny took her..Casey said that, not Cindy.:read:

[dvsone]

I doubt it.

but I think she may be a closet smoker. she kept going outside while Lee was talking to casey. JMO

Why does that make her a closet smoker?
Many smokers do not smoke inside the home anymore.

And no way it was Cindy that harmed Caylee. Its all on Casey.

[MyrDawn]

Let me try again. What makes anyone think Casey knew. Something Cindy or George said? C's are right on this one.

IMO, Casey knew because she's the one that killed Caylee. Have you read the docs that were released? All the evidence I've seen so far points to Casey alone.

[GrannyB]

Thanks for the welcome! I have my husband obsessed with this case now too and I do think Casey did something to that poor child. But what I can't believe is that she hasn't cracked. Is is possible that with George being a former Police Officer that he has instructed Lee and Casey to keep their mouths shut? That if you don't say anything you don't incriminate yourself? My husband thinks she is going to get away with it, not that we don't think she should but I don't know if the "TRUE" story of what happened will ever come out.


If George did tell them to keep their mouths shut Cindy is the first one he should have told and then put a muzzle on her.

[crymeariver2006]

I doubt it.

but I think she may be a closet smoker. she kept going outside while Lee was talking to casey. JMO


Really? Me too!

She protested way too much about the stuffed animals.

;)

[Joan Weiss]

On Chloroform? I don't think you can suffocate in a trunk because they aren't air tight like a refridgerator.I disagree. Some are very tight. This sunfire though, I think not. imo

[Ionmhainn]

IMO so that LE didn't think that he had been in the bags.

Now, there's something I hadn't thought of. Makes sense, imo.

[athina]

Snipped 4 space ... I would have packed her belongings and put them outside the door for Lee Anthony to pick up if I was Tony Lazzaro. If he knocked, I would have talked through the door. But that is just me and my opinion.

:lol:

[JanDoe]

or heat...


thank you......I forgot that

it is very disturbing to think she may have been placed in that trunk
by her own mother.

I think the Chloro was used to cover the smell after the death

[cantstandnuts]

Maybe the stench in her car was a tipoff. Frankly, I think Casey has known Caylee was missing ever since she killed her.


I like how you always get right to the point, barskin. Frankly, indeed! :patriot:

[jakee]

On Chloroform? I don't think you can suffocate in a trunk because they aren't air tight like a refridgerator.


I am not ruling out the chloroform yet, but I do believe you could suffocate in a trunk. Was there a case a few years ago where 2 little boys climbed in the trunk to hide or something. Parents could not find them for I don't know how long, but they were deceased in the trunk. IIRC. IMO. Again, I could be wrong.

[crymeariver2006]

I think Cindy just came in the room to give Caylee kisses nite and put the blanket over her..I dont think it was actually tucking in her 22 year old worthless daughter. I think it was more Caylee.


I don't even think Casey was there.

[JanDoe]

I am not ruling out the chloroform yet, but I do believe you could suffocate in a trunk. Was there a case a few years ago where 2 little boys climbed in the trunk to hide or something. Parents could not find them for I don't know how long, but they were deceased in the trunk. IIRC. IMO. Again, I could be wrong.

yes I remember that also.........

[GrannyB]

So you must also believe Cindy made Casey drive around with a decomposing body in her trunk as well?
Cindy had her own car towed too I suppose?
Cindy kept Casey from seeing Caylee for 31 days?
Cindy forced Casey to lie about where Caylee was to all her friends before she ever knew Caylee was missing as well?

ALL RIGHTY THEN


I never said Casey drove a body around in the trunk. We don't know when the body was in the trunk or how long. It was the parent's car.
We don't know they didn't drive it one time. Casey apparently had been lying about who was watching Caylee for a couple of years.

[kitty1182]

But Granny thinks that Cindy wrote the script.

Zanny and Sam wrote the script and gave it to her at the park the day they took Caylee..LOL
Casey had a month to write this novel that is going on..LOL

[crymeariver2006]

I am not ruling out the chloroform yet, but I do believe you could suffocate in a trunk. Was there a case a few years ago where 2 little boys climbed in the trunk to hide or something. Parents could not find them for I don't know how long, but they were deceased in the trunk. IIRC. IMO. Again, I could be wrong.

I remember that case. It was several days before they found them IIRC.

[TwinMommie]

If George did tell them to keep their mouths shut Cindy is the first one he should have told and then put a muzzle on her.

:beer: He-He that is very true!

[JanDoe]

who was the last person known to be with caylee before she went missing? Who was the first to discover that caylee had gone missing?


and didn't tell anyone

[nutterbutter]

So it seems that most of the people Casey was hanging around had jobs and money. So what is everyone's theory of why Amy was her only target to steal from?

Caylee:rose:
Amy did not deserve what happened to her BUT left herself wide open for the thefts by trusting someone that could not be trusted.It is a shame she had to learn that lesson the hard way.moo

[msjoni]

I am not ruling out the chloroform yet, but I do believe you could suffocate in a trunk. Was there a case a few years ago where 2 little boys climbed in the trunk to hide or something. Parents could not find them for I don't know how long, but they were deceased in the trunk. IIRC. IMO. Again, I could be wrong.

Yes, I remember that case I think it happened in Phili....

[MyrDawn]

Thanks for the welcome! I have my husband obsessed with this case now too and I do think Casey did something to that poor child. But what I can't believe is that she hasn't cracked. Is is possible that with George being a former Police Officer that he has instructed Lee and Casey to keep their mouths shut? That if you don't say anything you don't incriminate yourself? My husband thinks she is going to get away with it, not that we don't think she should but I don't know if the "TRUE" story of what happened will ever come out.


I think the reason Casey hasn't cracked is because she doesn't have a conscience and is only concerned with what's good for Casey.

My husband thinks I'm nuts to be so interested in this case. :D

I think the whole family knows Casey killed Caylee, and are probably convinced it was an accident and have banded together to protect her.

I'm hoping the LE have some solid evidence against Casey we haven't heard about, and will take it to a grand jury and get a first degree murder indictment!

JMO

[GrannyB]

Casey even told her mom she hasn't seen Caylee in 31 days, the nanny took her..Casey said that, not Cindy.:read:

After Cindy picked her up and took her home. Back to the script again.

[dvsone]

Zanny and Sam wrote the script and gave it to her at the park the day they took Caylee..LOL
Casey had a month to write this novel that is going on..LOL

There are probably different versions that had to be tweaked.

[Ionmhainn]

I think Cindy just came in the room to give Caylee kisses nite and put the blanket over her..I dont think it was actually tucking in her 22 year old worthless daughter. I think it was more Caylee.


As I said, I think it could be a common turn of phrase. You know how they get picked apart in cases?

That's all I'm saying....doesn't have to be literal. imo

[Cury-us Coyote]

I don't find it sick either, but I DO...then and now...think it was just a turn of phrase = they went to bed. :shrug:

Did you notice the warmth or other signs of affection displayed the day CinA picked Casey up from the attorney's office? Apparently passing Casey the sheet of paper to read was more important, IMO.
Sorry no link.

[Regina.Lampert]

I'm more concerned about who last saw Caylee and when.

So far, this is what I have:

June 10, 2008
Last time Amy saw Caylee.
Last time Ricardo saw Caylee.
Last time Troy saw Caylee, he thinks.

June 11 or 12, 2008
Casey, Caylee and Tony go to Anthony’s house to change Caylee before going to mall to promote Tony’s show. They eat at Cheesecake factory.

June 15, 2008
Cindy with Caylee visiting great-granddad.


It sticks out like a sore thumb that Edwards goes from asking about every date up to the 13th, asking if anthony stayed with him overnight and then jumps to the 27th when he asks about Lazarro picking her up from Amscot. I think they are purposely not releasing the information about June 15th. I think she stayed overnight on the 15th without Caylee. Mommie and daddy lied about her and Caylee being home that night. IMO.

[rosejustrose]

thank you......I forgot that

it is very disturbing to think she may have been placed in that trunk
by her own mother.

I think the Chloro was used to cover the smell after the death

In order for chloroform to be used to clean up the trunk, the Anthonys would have had to have some on hand, IMO. There was only a less than 24 hour period of time to clean the car from the time the Anthonys picked it up and LE confiscated it. JMO.

[Armchairdet]

After Cindy picked her up and took her home. Back to the script again.

What was the end result of the script suppose to be according to Casey? For instance was it 'and then on day 32 we will meet you back at the park and return Caylee'? Also, why did Casey say they needed Caylee for a month? Or was the script just to give them time to get away? I mean certainly if you were the childs mother you would find out these things....right?

[GrannyB]

Who was the last person known to be with Caylee before she went missing? Who was the first to discover that Caylee had gone missing?


The last that can be proven to have been with Caylee is Cindy at the nursing home.
The first to discover that Caylee was missing was the person who caused her to be missing. Unproven who that is at this time. We're all just guessing.

[Rebel Rouzer]

After Cindy picked her up and took her home. Back to the script again.

What makes you think Cindy killed Caylee and came up with a script? What evidence do you have of this thus far? Somthing Casey said?

[JanDoe]

I just think this lawsuit by this Zenaida G is going to be very interesting. If her attorney can manage to get the Anthony family in a deposition under oath it will be just nothing short of amazing.

So far I do not know how soon we could expect it but it sure will be something to watch for.


And isn't Casey due in court on Nov 4 to start facing charges that
the DA can prove? The sooner they get her locked up for anything
the better......JMO

[farrahrani]

So it seems that most of the people Casey was hanging around had jobs and money. So what is everyone's theory of why Amy was her only target to steal from?

Caylee:rose:

IMO. It was all about opportunity. If the cash had not been left out, if the checkbook not left in the car, that never would have happened. Notice Tony did not even let her stay in his home while he was away, she went to stay elsewhere. Definite lack of trust, imo. Makes me wonder if there were tiny clues in her behavior that might have had his subconscious instincts working overdrive. Maybe catching her in little lies, things like that.
Same with the checks and the theft from the nursing home account. If she had gotten a money order instead of a check, she never would have even thought about it. As far as I'm concerned, its all about the opportunities that fall into her lap, not things that she goes out of her way to look for.

[rosejustrose]

I remember that case. It was several days before they found them IIRC.


That was awful. It happened in Trenton or Camden NJ IIRC. Horrible.

[kitty1182]

After Cindy picked her up and took her home. Back to the script again.

IMO, CAsey would not ever risk going to prison or death row to cover for her mama, daddy, brother or anyone..No way..
She's on her own in this..

[JanDoe]

In order for chloroform to be used to clean up the trunk, the Anthonys would have had to have some on hand, IMO. There was only a less than 24 hour period of time to clean the car from the time the Anthonys picked it up and LE confiscated it. JMO.

I think Casey put the Chloroform in the trunk.

[MyrDawn]

After Cindy picked her up and took her home. Back to the script again.

Can you explain why, if Cindy murdered Caylee, you think that George and Lee would agree to going along with Casey taking the blame and facing a murder charge?

Did Cindy, George and Lee all hate Caylee, and all hate Casey that much?

And why would Casey be willing to go to prison for the rest of her life because her mother killed her daughter? Did she hate Caylee too? Is she so grateful to Cindy for killing Caylee she's willing to face prison?

[GrannyB]

It sticks out like a sore thumb that Edwards goes from asking about every date up to the 13th, asking if anthony stayed with him overnight and then jumps to the 27th when he asks about Lazarro picking her up from Amscot. I think they are purposely not releasing the information about June 15th. I think she stayed overnight on the 15th without Caylee. Mommie and daddy lied about her and Caylee being home that night. IMO.


I believe you are right on the 15th.

[GrannyB]

Then why when asked for 31 days by friends where is Caylee, Casey said with the nanny, that never existed. Who wrote that script?

That's the story Casey been telling since she got fired in 2006. Nothing strange about that lie. It was used all the time.

[kitty1182]

yes she is, but IMO she may not be the only one that goes down.

I agree,,I think she did the deed, but some helped with the cover up..

[Armchairdet]

I believe you are right on the 15th.

Or perhaps Cindy tucked them in in her own little way. Telling Casey we will finish this argument in the morning. Casey snuck out to go to stay with Tone, and snuck back in the morning.

[kitty1182]

That's the story Casey been telling since she got fired in 2006. Nothing strange about that lie. It was used all the time.

Seems like she liked to impress people..

[GrannyB]

What was the end result of the script suppose to be according to Casey? For instance was it 'and then on day 32 we will meet you back at the park and return Caylee'? Also, why did Casey say they needed Caylee for a month? Or was the script just to give them time to get away? I mean certainly if you were the childs mother you would find out these things....right?

Of course I would, but I wasn't raised by Cindy.

[Regina.Lampert]

I believe you are right on the 15th.

Also noted that somehow Anthony Lazarro managed to get thru his interview without going into gales of laughter as lee anthony did, imo.

[rosejustrose]

IMO, CAsey would not ever risk going to prison or death row to cover for her mama, daddy, brother or anyone..No way..
She's on her own in this..


ITA. If anyone else, ie, Cindy or George, had killed Caylee, we would never had heard about this case. These people are master manipulators and liars, they could have gotten rid of Caylee and never mentioned her name again. The only reason LE got involved is because Cindy went into panic mode when she couldn't see her grandchild. IMO.

[BobbysGirl]

I think Cindy just came in the room to give Caylee kisses nite and put the blanket over her..I dont think it was actually tucking in her 22 year old worthless daughter. I think it was more Caylee.

Yeppers...what you said. imo

[Ladyhawk]

Let me try again. What makes anyone think Casey knew. Something Cindy or George said? C's are right on this one.

Cindy is not that good of an actress IMO (the last 911 call was not an act) and for any theory that anyone else but Casey was responsible, I look at it this way....Casey Anthony does not appear to me to be the type of person that will sit in a jail cell for someone else. If she could blame this on a member of her family or one of her friends, she would do it in a heartbeat. The only person she can blame this on is non-existent and that's exactly what she's done.

Do you honestly think she has so much love for her mother that she would spend even one day in county jail for her?

[GrannyB]

IMO, CAsey would not ever risk going to prison or death row to cover for her mama, daddy, brother or anyone..No way..
She's on her own in this..

You wouldn't, I wouldn't, most people wouldn't but the Anthony's are not most people in any way shape or form.

[rosejustrose]

I think Casey put the Chloroform in the trunk.


That's my point. The GPs didn't have time to purchase/order on line chloroform for the sole purpose of cleaning the car unless they already had some. I think Casey ordered the chloroform to put Caylee down so she could party. JMO.

[GrannyB]

Cindy is not that good of an actress IMO (the last 911 call was not an act) and for any theory that anyone else but Casey was responsible, I look at it this way....Casey Anthony does not appear to me to be the type of person that will sit in a jail cell for someone else. If she could blame this on a member of her family or one of her friends, she would do it in a heartbeat. The only person she can blame this on is non-existent and that's exactly what she's done.

Do you honestly think she has so much love for her mother that she would spend even one day in county jail for her?

Not a thing to do with love. We are talking about the Anthony's. I don't think any of them even know what love is.

[kitty1182]

You wouldn't, I wouldn't, most people wouldn't but the Anthony's are not most people in any way shape or form.

Casey wouldn't either..MOO

[rosejustrose]

Also noted that somehow Anthony Lazarro managed to get thru his interview without going into gales of laughter as lee anthony did, imo.


ITA. I just finished listening to Lee. He's annoying and his was not a nervous chuckle. He actually found humor in the whole interview process, IMO. I think he was more than happy to dish the dirt on Casey and Cindy. Casey was probably the favorite all her life and Lee is just getting a little of his own back. IMO, he offered up too much information. JMO.

[MyrDawn]

You wouldn't, I wouldn't, most people wouldn't but the Anthony's are not most people in any way shape or form.

IMO, for your theory to be correct, they all had to have hated Caylee and Casey.

Can you tell me why George, a former LE, would go along with Cindy calling 911 and putting the blame on Casey, when all they would have had to do is clam up. If anyone asked where Caylee was, they could have just said she was with her dad. Why would the whole family throw Casey under the bus when it was completely unnecessary?
JMO

[rosejustrose]

You wouldn't, I wouldn't, most people wouldn't but the Anthony's are not most people in any way shape or form.

True, maybe this is what Casey has to do to get that house signed over to her:rolleyes:

[Squeekie]

ZG's attorney on Headline News right now, they're taking calls. Sorry if this has already been posted. Says ZG plans to stick with this civil suit and will push for the truth to come out.

[rosejustrose]

I agree and yes I do know it will be the first part of Nov........unless it is delayed.

Can you imagine LE knew all about this Zanieda........her car......kids etc.?
I just hope this Civil Suite gets moving quickly and they are about to start the depositions soon. What storeys will that family get themselves locked into?.......Have they ever even had the same storey at the same time. Cindy now saying Puerto Rico when Casey from the get go never mentioned any ties Zaneida had ties w/ PR.

Actually, Casey has maintained that Zanny the invisible Nanny was half Puerto Rican and half black. There's the PR connection, IMO.

[Ionmhainn]

It sticks out like a sore thumb that Edwards goes from asking about every date up to the 13th, asking if anthony stayed with him overnight and then jumps to the 27th when he asks about Lazarro picking her up from Amscot. I think they are purposely not releasing the information about June 15th. I think she stayed overnight on the 15th without Caylee. Mommie and daddy lied about her and Caylee being home that night. IMO.


While I do think it's possible that Casey stayed with Tony the night of the 15th...I also think it's possible that she left after her parents went to bed...leaving Caylee asleep in her own bed. Perhaps coming home in the early hours, or after Cindy left for work? Just something I'm willing to consider, and jmo.

[kitty1182]

IMO, for your theory to be correct, they all had to have hated Caylee and Casey.

Can you tell me why George, a former LE, would go along with Cindy calling 911 and putting the blame on Casey, when all they would have had to do is clam up. If anyone asked where Caylee was, they could have just said she was with her dad. Why would the whole family throw Casey under the bus when it was completely unnecessary?
JMO

That's right..All they would have had to say is that she went to live with her dad.No one would have been blamed for anything then...

[rosejustrose]

He and Casey both like to come off as being so well educated. ha.
Did you guys read (I think in the links thread) the business about why LIARS use words like "absolutely", "honestly", and stall tactics such as "I'm sorry?" as if they didn't 'catch' what you said the first time? I thought that was very telling- can't remember who posted it- OneUp maybe? Anyway, definately worth the time to read.

Cindy snarfing the $$ out of caseys wallet and putting the cash into her own pocket, yeah it probably was hers or at the very least owed to her, but she sure pocketed it fast- maybe thats where casey learned to be such an efficient thief? Just thinkin.

AB

Exactly, absolutely, I totally and completely agree, there you have it.:)

[GrannyB]

Casey wouldn't either..MOO

I don't know how to say this without it seeming like I'm criticizing what some think and I'm not. The Anthony's do not think like most people and therefore they will not react like most think they would. That was clear as mud wasn't it.

[bchand]

Yes, I remember that case I think it happened in Phili....

I think it was Camden, NJ


Granny - sorry I'm disagreeing with you also. The only time I think Cindy was sincere was the 3rd 911 call when she found out Caylee had not been seen for 31 days. She was petrified and it came through loud and clear. Ever since, it's been cover for Casey IMO.

Casey is responsible.

[Ladyhawk]

You wouldn't, I wouldn't, most people wouldn't but the Anthony's are not most people in any way shape or form.

So, the A's are going to be violent, nasty mouthed, lying schemers, crime coverers, and all these other awful things that people say they are but underneath it all, they really are self-sacrificing for each other? They are shining beacons of humanity who would give up their precious freedom for each other? IMO I don't think so.

[hamebone]

That's my point. The GPs didn't have time to purchase/order on line chloroform for the sole purpose of cleaning the car unless they already had some. I think Casey ordered the chloroform to put Caylee down so she could party. JMO.

Or Casey looked it up ordered and tried to clean the car ...she had a month...but it would show up in a credit card transaction. I dont think she could of got it online with a COD....unless she made her own and tried to clean the car. ...but where would she had mixed it all up?....she was living with others.

I wish we knew more about the date the chloroform sites where looked at.

The chloroform has me puzzled..

[MyrDawn]

True, maybe this is what Casey has to do to get that house signed over to her:rolleyes:

Of course! That's it! By going along, Casey will get the house and can collect rent from it while she's in prison! Sounds like a good reason to agree to take the rap for Cindy to me. :rolleyes:

[kitty1182]

I think it was Camden, NJ


Granny - sorry I'm disagreeing with you also. The only time I think Cindy was sincere was the 3rd 911 call when she found out Caylee had not been seen for 31 days. She was petrified and it came through loud and clear. Ever since, it's been cover for Casey IMO.

Casey is responsible.

I agree!!!!!

[BobbysGirl]

Or perhaps Cindy tucked them in in her own little way. Telling Casey we will finish this argument in the morning. Casey snuck out to go to stay with Tone, and snuck back in the morning.

Perhaps? I doubt it. I had adult children living w/us. At various times. No kids at the time. But, if we had argument or disagreement and they had left mad in the middle of night. Believe me, I was upset, hurt and worried for them and layed awake all night and worry if and when they came back home. When they returned, amends made and on went life.

[bcrmom]

While I do think it's possible that Casey stayed with Tony the night of the 15th...I also think it's possible that she left after her parents went to bed...leaving Caylee asleep in her own bed. Perhaps coming home in the early hours, or after Cindy left for work? Just something I'm willing to consider, and jmo.

I still think there was a huge fight on the 15th, Father's Day, and Casey stormed out, taking Caylee with her and no one ever saw Caylee again.

That whole thing about the pool ladder being moved the next day to suggest Casey had been back was BS.
IMO

[hamebone]

I thought Casey was supposed to have confessed to Cindy that she sold Caylee to someone in Puerto Rico.

I never heard that one...is this something Lenny came out with?

[tiny paw-prints]

Am I the only one that finds it weird that Casey said she hasn't seen her daughter in 31 days, she didn't say 4 weeks or a month, but 31 days like she's been counting the days as they go.

IIRC, on July 15th, the 911 dispatcher said 'your daughter has been missing for a month?..." and Casey corrected her and said "No! She's been missing for 31 days." (paraphrasing).

IMO, Casey WAS counting the days. As early as June 24th. She sent FB message to Troy or Amy? on June 24, 2008 …”He$$, in the past nine days I haven’t even been living at the house. Drama. I’ll fill you in later.”

[rosejustrose]

IMO, for your theory to be correct, they all had to have hated Caylee and Casey.

Can you tell me why George, a former LE, would go along with Cindy calling 911 and putting the blame on Casey, when all they would have had to do is clam up. If anyone asked where Caylee was, they could have just said she was with her dad. Why would the whole family throw Casey under the bus when it was completely unnecessary?
JMO


Unfortunately, George wasn't there when Cindy made that last 911 call. He walked into the circus already in progress. But, ITA, when LE showed up, Cindy could have proceeded with her original charges of "auto" theft and stealing. LE most likely would have written it off as a domestic. But no, she's goes the whole nine yards and drags Casey along for the ride.:rolleyes: Cindy did what she did because she, on some level, knew Casey killed Caylee. JMHO.

[st777jo]

ZG's attorney on Headline News right now, they're taking calls. Sorry if this has already been posted. Says ZG plans to stick with this civil suit and will push for the truth to come out.

Go ZG!!!! I am right with her on this one. Not for the money, but for the explanations. Though if it happens, get the money, honey.

[GrannyB]

IMO, for your theory to be correct, they all had to have hated Caylee and Casey.

Can you tell me why George, a former LE, would go along with Cindy calling 911 and putting the blame on Casey, when all they would have had to do is clam up. If anyone asked where Caylee was, they could have just said she was with her dad. Why would the whole family throw Casey under the bus when it was completely unnecessary?
JMO

George being former LE shouldn't lie at all about this and he has.
I wonder why George is ex-LE. Once again they don't think like we think.

[st777jo]

Shouldn't the Badge be showing up soon?????

[bcrmom]

IIRC, on July 15th, the 911 dispatcher said 'your daughter has been missing for a month?..." and Casey corrected her and said "No! She's been missing for 31 days." (paraphrasing).

IMO, Casey WAS counting the days. As early as June 24th. She sent FB message to Troy or Amy? on June 24, 2008 …”He$$, in the past nine days I haven’t even been living at the house. Drama. I’ll fill you in later.”

That whole thing still makes no sense to me cuz she was saying an earlier date in June..the 2nd and the 9th, right? So how does her mind make that add up to 31 days?

[GrannyB]

True, maybe this is what Casey has to do to get that house signed over to her:rolleyes:

I don't think that house will begin to cover all their legal fees.

[rosejustrose]

I thought Casey was supposed to have confessed to Cindy that she sold Caylee to someone in Puerto Rico.

I hadn't heard that one. I guess that's where the $200 came from. I think Cindy went on a Spanish speaking show to alert folks in PR that Caylee may be there. IMO, she did this to deflect blame on Amy, Ricardo and whoever else had recently visited there. You have to hand it to Cindy, she's always thinking, deflect, deflect, deflect.......


JMO.

[hamebone]

I think so. :D


well just add it to the long list of Lenny theories:seeya: ....

[GrannyB]

I think it was Camden, NJ


Granny - sorry I'm disagreeing with you also. The only time I think Cindy was sincere was the 3rd 911 call when she found out Caylee had not been seen for 31 days. She was petrified and it came through loud and clear. Ever since, it's been cover for Casey IMO.

Casey is responsible.

OK let's try it this way. Why would Cindy lie for Casey if she thought she was a thief, a liar, a sorry mother etc. Especially when Cindy is suppose to have loved Caylee so much. None of us would cover for our kids it they had done what Casey is supposed to have done.

[bcrmom]

:seeya: peeps!

I haven't been around in daaaaays. DRAMA! Will fill you in later.


Question though: What happened on Monday when the HOA went back to court? Did they get the injunction to move the Lawn Gnomes of Fury down to the vacant lot?


TIA

[rosejustrose]

Perhaps? I doubt it. I had adult children living w/us. At various times. No kids at the time. But, if we had argument or disagreement and they had left mad in the middle of night. Believe me, I was upset, hurt and worried for them and layed awake all night and worry if and when they came back home. When they returned, amends made and on went life.

Maybe that's what's going on with the Anthonys. They made amends and want to move on, without Caylee, of course. So guys, let's call a truce and leave them alone, OK?

JMO.

[MyrDawn]

George being former LE shouldn't lie at all about this and he has.
I wonder why George is ex-LE. Once again they don't think like we think.

Do you mean they're thinking about how to destroy their family, rather than save it?

Why do you think they hated Caylee?

Why do you think they hate Casey?

Again I ask if you read the documentation that was released? If so, how does it jive with your theory? For me, it reinforces my believe that Casey acted alone and her family is covering for her.

Unless you think all her friends lied in their interviews with the LE. Are they following "the script", too?

[kakax]

I never heard that one...is this something Lenny came out with?


SOURCE SAYS CASEY SAID SHE SOLD CAYLEE

Sources who knew the family intimately during the past few months told Eyewitness News that Casey convinced her mother that Caylee was sold to someone in Puerto Rico.

On July 22 after Caylee was reported missing, Casey's former best friend Amy Huizenga got a text message in the middle of the night from an unidentified person about a trip she and two of Casey's friends took to Puerto Rico.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17549736/detail.html

[bluwaters]

I don't think that house will begin to cover all their legal fees.

I believe that the house has been refinanced and the A's have little, if any, equity in it.

jmho

[Rebel Rouzer]

Whats not clear is why you think Cindy would kill Caylee and frame Casey.

Not only that but is it my imagination or do you think that the Anthony's planned that the judge was going to set her bond so high? I Bet Cindy called in a favor t the judge and asked him to make the bond as high as possible and I bet Cindy even asked the police to charge Casey with neglect and not murder right away.

I'm sorry but this theory of Cindy killing Caylee is not even rational to the known facts.

[Ionmhainn]

I still think there was a huge fight on the 15th, Father's Day, and Casey stormed out, taking Caylee with her and no one ever saw Caylee again.

That whole thing about the pool ladder being moved the next day to suggest Casey had been back was BS.
IMO


That's possible too. I just don't think that George saying that he saw them the next day proves much of anything...one way or the other. imo. As to what happened to Caylee, that is.

[luvinlife]

OK let's try it this way. Why would Cindy lie for Casey if she thought she was a thief, a liar, a sorry mother etc. Especially when Cindy is suppose to have loved Caylee so much. None of us would cover for our kids it they had done what Casey is supposed to have done.



She has called Casey those things as per the docs from her friends mouths.

[GrannyB]

So, the A's are going to be violent, nasty mouthed, lying schemers, crime coverers, and all these other awful things that people say they are but underneath it all, they really are self-sacrificing for each other? They are shining beacons of humanity who would give up their precious freedom for each other? IMO I don't think so.

The more the A's act like they are covering for Casey the more most are convinced Casey is guilty. No proof we can see but Casey is guilty.

[rosejustrose]

Whats not clear is why you think Cindy would kill Caylee and frame Casey.

I agree. It makes no sense at all. If Cindy killed Caylee and Casey wasn't even aware she was missing, Cindy would just make Casey keep quiet and no one would be the wiser. If Cindy killed Caylee, we wouldn't be here posting like this on this case because LE would never have been notified. It defies reason, IMO.

[kitty1182]

nah..lets poke at em' til they fess up.

lol...:d:d

[Rebel Rouzer]

:seeya: peeps!

I haven't been around in daaaaays. DRAMA! Will fill you in later.


Question though: What happened on Monday when the HOA went back to court? Did they get the injunction to move the Lawn Gnomes of Fury down to the vacant lot?


TIA


It was denied.

[kakax]

EXACTLY.........I do not think the Anthonys up to the point of the 911 calls were involved in Caylee's disappearance.

After those 911 calls is another storey. It appears once they realized Casey could be in serious trouble with LE........they went into protect Casey mode. At least we know with the media they did. First with the Bamboo storey with Cindy telling us all the shovel was borrowed way before Caylee was missing even though she had told LE something different with the dates of her disappearance.

It is not so hard for me the believe that Cindy was doing other things behind the scenes such as pertaining to the clean-up of that car. She even tried to say the gas cans report never happened......nor she said did a fight with Casey ever happen just prior to Casey and Caylee leaving. WHY??.....

I just want to know if in their statements they were honest about the fights and the jealousy. I can understand why they wouldn't want to air their family differences in the media, but they would have been incredibly stupid not to let LE in on it.

IMO, Cindy's statement to the police will be a must read at some point!!

[GrannyB]

She has called Casey those things as per the docs from her friends mouths.

What friend said Casey was a bad mother?

[rosejustrose]

George being former LE shouldn't lie at all about this and he has.
I wonder why George is ex-LE. Once again they don't think like we think.

Granny, with all due respect, we don't know how the Anthonys think we just no how they act. We really don't have a clue what motivates this bunch or what makes them tick. IMO, they're all nuts. JMO.

[bluwaters]

The more the A's act like they are covering for Casey the more most are convinced Casey is guilty. No proof we can see but Casey is guilty.



but, what's in it for Casey?

[kitty1182]

I agree. It makes no sense at all. If Cindy killed Caylee and Casey wasn't even aware she was missing, Cindy would just make Casey keep quiet and no one would be the wiser. If Cindy killed Caylee, we wouldn't be here posting like this on this case because LE would never have been notified. It defies reason, IMO.

Right..All would be well in that house and Casey would be out with her friends doing whatever she wanted because mom couldn't say anything to stop her...

[hamebone]

EXACTLY.........I do not think the Anthonys up to the point of the 911 calls were involved in Caylee's disappearance.

After those 911 calls is another storey. It appears once they realized Casey could be in serious trouble with LE........they went into protect Casey mode. At least we know with the media they did. First with the Bamboo storey with Cindy telling us all the shovel was borrowed way before Caylee was missing even though she had told LE something different with the dates of her disappearance.

It is not so hard for me the believe that Cindy was doing other things behind the scenes such as pertaining to the clean-up of that car. She even tried to say the gas cans report never happened......nor she said did a fight with Casey ever happen just prior to Casey and Caylee leaving. WHY??.....

psychosis?


Psychosis is a severe mental condition in which there is a loss of contact with reality. There are many possible causes:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001553.htm

[GrannyB]

Granny, with all due respect, we don't know how the Anthonys think we just no how they act. We really don't have a clue what motivates this bunch or what makes them tick. IMO, they're all nuts. JMO.

I can't disagree with the nuts part. But they act like they do cause of the way they think.

[st777jo]

I dont see how this girl will get anything. When the picture was shown to Casey she denied that being the nanny. Zenaida doesnt own rights to the ZFG name.

Respectfully disagree. I think Casey did see her around Sawgrass but she didn't identify her because it would be way to easy to disprove anything Casey said. jmo, jo

[Loves2Read]

Not a thing to do with love. We are talking about the Anthony's. I don't think any of them even know what love is.

Ok... I am just trying to understand where you are coming from here. So you say that Casey was unaware that her daughter was gone. The last person that had that child was her mother. A month goes by and she says nothing..... her mother freaks out at her because she wants to see her grandbaby. Does she say well you had her last.... NO she does not she says the nanny has her! She made up a lie because why? Did she think aliens came and got the child? Did forget her mother had her? Please enlighten me.

[bcrmom]

That's possible too. I just don't think that George saying that he saw them the next day proves much of anything...one way or the other. imo. As to what happened to Caylee, that is.

I really think GA was "fibbing" about that...he's covering up stuff and it WILL come out eventually. KingPantsOnFire. :no:

It was denied.

TY Rebel--I've checked the cam a few times and there were no Gnomes so I wondered...

[rosejustrose]

OK let's try it this way. Why would Cindy lie for Casey if she thought she was a thief, a liar, a sorry mother etc. Especially when Cindy is suppose to have loved Caylee so much. None of us would cover for our kids it they had done what Casey is supposed to have done.


I think there is enough documented evidence that Cindy didn't lie about Casey. She made it known to whoever would listen that Casey was a liar, theif, misfit mother, sociopath, etc. I have no doubt that Cindy loved Caylee in her own way, but I think her years of psychologically abusing Casey have given her a bad case of the guilts. JMO.

[GrannyB]

but, what's in it for Casey?


Casey lost the only thing she cared about. I don't think she cares what happens. Casey probaby didn't think she was a good mother.
She apparently was told that constantly.

[MyrDawn]

The more the A's act like they are covering for Casey the more most are convinced Casey is guilty. No proof we can see but Casey is guilty.

No proof we can see that Cindy is guilty. There's quite a bit of evidence that Casey is. But, if you don't want to read the documentation that was released, then you can just keep denying you know of any evidence against Casey and pretending Cindy is guilty. Whatever makes you happy.

[luvinlife]

What friend said Casey was a bad mother?


No one, but she can act anyway she wants to in public. I know people who have acted like good parents in front of people and surely wouldn't be considered good parents when no one is around. Many child molestors have been thought to be great with the kids, loved them in fact.

She is not capable of normal feelings, she doesn't feel like the rest of us.imo

[Amy]

Perhaps? I doubt it. I had adult children living w/us. At various times. No kids at the time. But, if we had argument or disagreement and they had left mad in the middle of night. Believe me, I was upset, hurt and worried for them and layed awake all night and worry if and when they came back home. When they returned, amends made and on went life.

But, if the poster's theory is that Casey SNUCK OUT in the middle of the night, Cindy wouldn't have known to stay awake all night worrying.

[JanDoe]

EE: So we know the child must be staying somewhere at night.

AL: Yes, well uhm, she didn't start sleeping at my place for awhile
but she did show up at times where without the child.

EE: She did?

AL: Yes



so, where do you all think the child was? No one has come forward
to claim they were watching the child. The Nanny doesn't exist.
The only place Casey had to put the child was the car.
If Caylee was sleeping at the times Casey arrived at Tony's, I think
it is very possible that Casey tucked Caylee into the car trunk. JMO
AL did not answer the question other than to say yes when EE said
so we know the child must be staying somewhere at night.

[bluwaters]

:seeya: peeps!

I haven't been around in daaaaays. DRAMA! Will fill you in later.


Question though: What happened on Monday when the HOA went back to court? Did they get the injunction to move the Lawn Gnomes of Fury down to the vacant lot?


TIA

The judge ruled against the injunction! :patriot:
Glad you're back. Sorry about the DRAMA.

[rosejustrose]

Nah..lets poke at em' til they fess up.


:lol: OK, I agree. I was just trying to be fair.:rolleyes:

[kitty1182]

Casey lost the only thing she cared about. I don't think she cares what happens. Casey probaby didn't think she was a good mother.
She apparently was told that constantly.

IMO the only thing she cared about was partying..I don't think she had any Mother instincts...MOO

[FrankieBones1]

To me it sounds like Lee is using the 30 day script. And yes-Cindy gave her the whole nanny story. Lee gets her "things" at midnight.
CINDY's laptop
Large leopard print duffel bag -with all her belongings
White backpack with pattern or symbol-clothing
Large Purse-toiletries
Slender Black Bag-he used it to carry the laptop
Everything was very organized....to organized for Casey to have packed it.
He is MORE worried about who the he$$ packed the bag-than he is about CAYLEE..
Ohhh and Tony had went through her things for the checkbook..HMMM
He got back at 2:25 AM..
I'm confused. Cindy's laptop?
Did she lend it to Casey all those weeks?

[trich]

I think it was Camden, NJ


Granny - sorry I'm disagreeing with you also. The only time I think Cindy was sincere was the 3rd 911 call when she found out Caylee had not been seen for 31 days. She was petrified and it came through loud and clear. Ever since, it's been cover for Casey IMO.

Casey is responsible.


Exactly!!!

[msjoni]

A little ditty from childhood after listening to Lee.....

They're creepy and they're kooky,
Mysterious and spooky,
They're all together ooky,
The Anthony Family.

[panokatana]

I don't even think Casey was there.

Catching up after work.. ;)

I agree...because...Caylee was 2 and if this were a (forgive the phrase) "normal" night...she should be going to bed early...like 8 or so...and I just can't imagine a freshly bathed, jammie clad Casey going to sleep that early. If it were late...midnight...or so...Caylee should (and I emphasize SHOULD) have already been "tucked" in and sleeping. Of course...they could have just let her stay up, but seems she would have been worn out by that hour?

JMO

[GrannyB]

What friend said Casey was a bad mother?


I gotta quote myself. I misread the post. Sorry.

[luvinlife]

I really think GA was "fibbing" about that...he's covering up stuff and it WILL come out eventually. KingPantsOnFire. :no:



TY Rebel--I've checked the cam a few times and there were no Gnomes so I wondered...



I believe there still are some, there was an article today about someone setting up a fake daycare for the protestors. I just think that LE may have asked the media not to show them anymore. I don't know this for sure though. moo

[Joan Weiss]

I don't find it sick either, but I DO...then and now...think it was just a turn of phrase = they went to bed. :shrug:Yes, more or less she said good night to Casey and kissed Caylee.
imo

[rosejustrose]

That's possible too. I just don't think that George saying that he saw them the next day proves much of anything...one way or the other. imo. As to what happened to Caylee, that is.


ITA. George doesn't seem like he's much of a player in the Anthony household. He seems like he's just......there. Know what I mean?

JMO.

[st777jo]

I think the car make and childrens names were all found by the LE not Casey. Even Caseys description of Zanny didnt fit the REAL Zenaida..I just dont think she will get anything. But thats just opinion.

Had she described Zenaida..and pointed to her picture yes. Or if she did describe the car and children then she will...but I havent read where Casey identified any of that.

I honestly don't remember, brain dead, lol
Who brought up about the script change to the park?? I thought that was Casey, with the car description and the kids???

[GrannyB]

Ok... I am just trying to understand where you are coming from here. So you say that Casey was unaware that her daughter was gone. The last person that had that child was her mother. A month goes by and she says nothing..... her mother freaks out at her because she wants to see her grandbaby. Does she say well you had her last.... NO she does not she says the nanny has her! She made up a lie because why? Did she think aliens came and got the child? Did forget her mother had her? Please enlighten me.

During the 911 call when Cindy said they wanted to talk to her, Casey ask "why do they want to talk to me". Strange statement from a person who knew their child was gone

Then in jail conversation IIRC Casey told Cindy, " you know what my involvement in this is" another strange statement from someone who was guilty of harming their child.

These were my first clues something wasn't right.

[rosejustrose]

Casey lost the only thing she cared about. I don't think she cares what happens. Casey probaby didn't think she was a good mother.
She apparently was told that constantly.

I agree that Casey thought she was a bad mom because she heard it so often. However, I disagree she lost the only thing she cared about. Last I heard, Casey was still alive. JMO.

[hamebone]

Casey lost the only thing she cared about. I don't think she cares what happens. Casey probaby didn't think she was a good mother.
She apparently was told that constantly.

OMG, Casey didnt give a damn about Caylee....look at the doc dump, read and enlighten yourself... look at the pictures of her out drinking, smoking dope, dirty dancing, getting her nails done, and a tattoo...that reads " the good life". That baby is dead and she has dumped her in the trash or hid her out to rot away somewhere....the girl is a monster ..IMO..

[luvinlife]

During the 911 call when Cindy said they wanted to talk to her, Casey ask "why do they want to talk to me". Strange statement from a person who knew their child was gone

Then in jail conversation IIRC Casey told Cindy, " you know what my involvement in this is" another strange statement from someone who was guilty of harming their child.

These were my first clues something wasn't right.



Right but the something wrong is that Casey didn't think that she would have to talk to LE, and she thought that everyone would believe her like her parents and everyone else always did.

The something wrong is that Casey just doesn't care that Caylee is gone.

[barskin&co.]

I think Caseys troubles began when she met this new bunch of friends who partied far more than her old set. I think motherhood started weighing her down and she felt 'tied down' with Caylee...then maybe the arguement sent her over the edge and she snapped...and became the party girl she wanted to be..with no child in tow. IMO

Well, we certainly know she enjoyed her new life with no child in tow.

[GrannyB]

I think Caseys troubles began when she met this new bunch of friends who partied far more than her old set. I think motherhood started weighing her down and she felt 'tied down' with Caylee...then maybe the arguement sent her over the edge and she snapped...and became the party girl she wanted to be..with no child in tow. IMO

And I think if that's what she wanted she would have just up and left Caylee with Cindy. She had no problem letting watch Caylee and buy everything Caylee needed. She knew she didn't have to get rid of Caylee to go party. IMO

[hamebone]

To my knowledge Lenny is the only person to mention the park ..I dont believe Casey has said that. Correct me if I am wrong. I am not here as often as I'd like and havent the time to read everything.

Dick said Casey told him that story when he was taking her to from Jose's office.

[kakax]

I really think GA was "fibbing" about that...he's covering up stuff and it WILL come out eventually. KingPantsOnFire. :no:



TY Rebel--I've checked the cam a few times and there were no Gnomes so I wondered...


:seeya: Missed seeing you recently....hope everything is ok!!

I think he was fibbing as well. How in the world could he have remembered what they were wearing a month before? I can't remember what I wore yesterday.

[rosejustrose]

I think the car make and childrens names were all found by the LE not Casey. Even Caseys description of Zanny didnt fit the REAL Zenaida..I just dont think she will get anything. But thats just opinion.

Had she described Zenaida..and pointed to her picture yes. Or if she did describe the car and children then she will...but I havent read where Casey identified any of that.


True. Casey maintained that Zanny didn't have children and was much younger than the real Zenaida. JMO.

[luvinlife]

And I think if that's what she wanted she would have just up and left Caylee with Cindy. She had no problem letting watch Caylee and buy everything Caylee needed. She knew she didn't have to get rid of Caylee to go party. IMO



Right but if she killed Caylee she would get rid of her problem and hurt her mother in the process.

She was mad that her mother didn't believe her in the jail interview where she said "you don't know what my involment is" she wanted her mom to defend her not say hey i don''t know what she has done I just want to find Caylee.

[rosejustrose]

I'm confused. Cindy's laptop?
Did she lend it to Casey all those weeks?

Don't think so. IMO, sticky fingers Casey took it. JMO.

[kitty1182]

Don't think so. IMO, sticky fingers Casey took it. JMO.

Sticky fingers:lol:

[BobbysGirl]

OK let's try it this way. Why would Cindy lie for Casey if she thought she was a thief, a liar, a sorry mother etc. Especially when Cindy is suppose to have loved Caylee so much. None of us would cover for our kids it they had done what Casey is supposed to have done.

The mother of the rapist of our 12 yr old daughter in 1985 took the stand, lied and said he was home. Many witnesses, the photo lineup and my hubby saw him after he left scene of crime......well, please do not say none of us would cover for our children. In less than hour jury found him guilty. He spent close to 17 yrs in prison. :frown:

[GrannyB]

Right but the something wrong is that Casey didn't think that she would have to talk to LE, and she thought that everyone would believe her like her parents and everyone else always did.

The something wrong is that Casey just doesn't care that Caylee is gone.

I don't see any Anthony acting like they care that Caylee is gone. So I guess they are all guilty. Which actually they are.

[rosejustrose]

I honestly don't remember, brain dead, lol
Who brought up about the script change to the park?? I thought that was Casey, with the car description and the kids???


IIRC it came out the Padilla camp. Rob Dick, IIRC.

[hamebone]

The mother of the rapist of our 12 yr old daughter in 1985 took the stand, lied and said he was home. Many witnesses, the photo lineup and my hubby saw him after he left scene of crime......well, please do not say none of us would cover for our children. In less than hour jury found him guilty. He spent close to 17 yrs in prison. :frown:


oh my sorry about your dtr...:rose:

[Joan Weiss]

IMO. It was all about opportunity. If the cash had not been left out, if the checkbook not left in the car, that never would have happened. Notice Tony did not even let her stay in his home while he was away, she went to stay elsewhere. Definite lack of trust, imo. Makes me wonder if there were tiny clues in her behavior that might have had his subconscious instincts working overdrive. Maybe catching her in little lies, things like that.
Same with the checks and the theft from the nursing home account. If she had gotten a money order instead of a check, she never would have even thought about it. As far as I'm concerned, its all about the opportunities that fall into her lap, not things that she goes out of her way to look for.Well, he did let her use his car. Maybe the roommates didn't want her there. I wouldn't like it if my roomie went away and the romantic interest stayed in my place. imo

[kitty1182]

The mother of the rapist of our 12 yr old daughter in 1985 took the stand, lied and said he was home. Many witnesses, the photo lineup and my hubby saw him after he left scene of crime......well, please do not say none of us would cover for our children. In less than hour jury found him guilty. He spent close to 17 yrs in prison. :frown:

So sorry:(

[bcrmom]

The judge ruled against the injunction! :patriot:
Glad you're back. Sorry about the DRAMA.


Thank you, Blu!

Naw, there was no real Drama. I was just pullin' a Casey. LOL

To have Drama, I'd have to have a life, which I don't. Just busy and trying to finish an actual book.

So, next question: When is Lee or one of the other of the A's gonna be charged with embezzlement, fraud or whathaveya, for misusing the donation funds?

Can he get a cell across the hall from Casey's?

And would it be possible to get OJ's judge to hear any or all of the upcoming trials? She's meeeeeeaaaaaan and short-tempered! She'd be the perfect judge for Baez to have to be a defense attorney in front of! I'd LOVE that!

[bluwaters]

OMG, Casey didnt give a damn about Caylee....look at the doc dump, read and enlighten yourself... look at the pictures of her out drinking, smoking dope, dirty dancing, getting her nails done, and a tattoo...that reads " the good life". That baby is dead and she has dumped her in the trash or hid her out to rot away somewhere....the girl is a monster ..IMO..

There's a picture of Casey smoking dope? :eek:
I missed that one.

[bchand]

OK let's try it this way. Why would Cindy lie for Casey if she thought she was a thief, a liar, a sorry mother etc. Especially when Cindy is suppose to have loved Caylee so much. None of us would cover for our kids it they had done what Casey is supposed to have done.

Maybe because she knows Caylee is gone.

Cindy berated Casey as a Mother so often, I believe she took Caylee and left because of that. When Casey is convicted of the murder, how will Cindy live with herself? She'd like to take that 911 call back, but she can't.

[kakax]

EE: So we know the child must be staying somewhere at night.

AL: Yes, well uhm, she didn't start sleeping at my place for awhile
but she did show up at times where without the child.

EE: She did?

AL: Yes



so, where do you all think the child was? No one has come forward
to claim they were watching the child. The Nanny doesn't exist.
The only place Casey had to put the child was the car.
If Caylee was sleeping at the times Casey arrived at Tony's, I think
it is very possible that Casey tucked Caylee into the car trunk. JMO
AL did not answer the question other than to say yes when EE said
so we know the child must be staying somewhere at night.


IMO, there is alot more that Tone told LE that wasn't released. In the audio tape at the beginning, the detective states that this was just to clear up some things that had been said previously.

Remember on NG, his roomate saying that the guys weren't too happy about the thought of Caylee being around at night? LE, in this audio tape, never asked him about how he felt about having Caylee around or if he had told her that he didn't want to get more serious.

In the audio interview, they didn't go into detail about when Lee came to the house and got her things.

I guess my bottom line is there is alot that hasn't been released. All MO, which is worth less that 23 cents.

[hamebone]

Has Blu been posting the candle link or is she mia?

[luvinlife]

I don't see any Anthony acting like they care that Caylee is gone. So I guess they are all guilty. Which actually they are.



I don't agree with that, some here do. I think they are falling apart, I see two people who are losing it, slowly. Desperate to believe Caylee is alive or refusing to believe that she is dead. MOO

[Unperson1984]

During the 911 call when Cindy said they wanted to talk to her, Casey ask "why do they want to talk to me". Strange statement from a person who knew their child was gone

Then in jail conversation IIRC Casey told Cindy, " you know what my involvement in this is" another strange statement from someone who was guilty of harming their child.

These were my first clues something wasn't right.

Back to the drawing board Granny...that is not what Casey said. She said just to opposite, "you don't know what my involvement is?"

You should listen to the tape of the conversation again to understand the context in which it was said.

[GrannyB]

See I see it different. I think Cindy loved Caylee and loved watching her but I also think Cindy rode Caseys azz about being a better mom..staying with her child, not partying so much...remember in the statements (I think Tony) saying Casey would get a call saying she needed to come home that Caylee needed her. I think Cindy pushed Casey to be a better mom. Casey didnt want that...she wanted to throw Caylee on whomever would watch her.

First 8 months a friend babysat thinking Casey was working.

The really sad part is there is not one adult in that family that was capable of raising Caylee. No one.

[rosejustrose]

The mother of the rapist of our 12 yr old daughter in 1985 took the stand, lied and said he was home. Many witnesses, the photo lineup and my hubby saw him after he left scene of crime......well, please do not say none of us would cover for our children. In less than hour jury found him guilty. He spent close to 17 yrs in prison. :frown:

:rose: /

[Joan Weiss]

I think Casey put the Chloroform in the trunk.I wonder what Casey's explanation is for the chloroform? To Baez and her parents.

[hamebone]

There's a picture of Casey smoking dope? :eek:
I missed that one.

No, thats from Amy's interview...:seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

What was the end result of the script suppose to be according to Casey? For instance was it 'and then on day 32 we will meet you back at the park and return Caylee'? Also, why did Casey say they needed Caylee for a month? Or was the script just to give them time to get away? I mean certainly if you were the childs mother you would find out these things....right?


Well she supposedly found out who bought "Zenaida's" car, her mother's name, her stepfather's name, and her sister's name.

Give the girl a break, she was writin' as fast as she could!

:D

[luvinlife]

The mother of the rapist of our 12 yr old daughter in 1985 took the stand, lied and said he was home. Many witnesses, the photo lineup and my hubby saw him after he left scene of crime......well, please do not say none of us would cover for our children. In less than hour jury found him guilty. He spent close to 17 yrs in prison. :frown:


I am so sorry for your daughter:rose:

for your family:rose:

[kakax]

The mother of the rapist of our 12 yr old daughter in 1985 took the stand, lied and said he was home. Many witnesses, the photo lineup and my hubby saw him after he left scene of crime......well, please do not say none of us would cover for our children. In less than hour jury found him guilty. He spent close to 17 yrs in prison. :frown:

Oh man, I am so sorry.

[rosejustrose]

There's a picture of Casey smoking dope? :eek:
I missed that one.


There was a photo of her smoking what looked like a blunt/blount as the kids call them. Apparently they take cigar wrappers and roll really big joints and in that photo Casey was smoking what looked like one. JMO.

[bluwaters]

The mother of the rapist of our 12 yr old daughter in 1985 took the stand, lied and said he was home. Many witnesses, the photo lineup and my hubby saw him after he left scene of crime......well, please do not say none of us would cover for our children. In less than hour jury found him guilty. He spent close to 17 yrs in prison. :frown:

I am so sorry :rose:

[BobbysGirl]

But, if the poster's theory is that Casey SNUCK OUT in the middle of the night, Cindy wouldn't have known to stay awake all night worrying.

I was going by a poster saying that Cindy and Casey had argument. Fight? Sorry if I misread or misunderstood the posters theory. Now I am really confused. :)

[kitty1182]

Well she supposedly found out who bought "Zenaida's" car, her mother's name, her stepfather's name, and her sister's name.

Give the girl a break, she was writin' as fast as she could!

:D

hahahaha :lol:

[GrannyB]

The mother of the rapist of our 12 yr old daughter in 1985 took the stand, lied and said he was home. Many witnesses, the photo lineup and my hubby saw him after he left scene of crime......well, please do not say none of us would cover for our children. In less than hour jury found him guilty. He spent close to 17 yrs in prison. :frown:


I am so sorry for what happened to your daughter and I think he should have gotten life or better yet the death penalty. I hope your daughter is doing okay.

I know there are people who will cover but I don't think this is what is happening with the Anthony's

[kakax]

Well, we certainly know she enjoyed her new life with no child in tow.


Yes, for her, it was a "beautiful life".

[bcrmom]

:seeya: Missed seeing you recently....hope everything is ok!!

I think he was fibbing as well. How in the world could he have remembered what they were wearing a month before? I can't remember what I wore yesterday.

TY Kakax..I've missed you, too.
I had to take a break from the boards...nothing was getting done or cleaned. It's a black hole in here, yanno. LOL I just get sucked in and before I know it, it's past bedtime, there are dishes in the sink, I haven't eaten and there are no clean clothes to wear to work.

I'm caught up for a day or two now, though. :beer:

And, does Casey strike you as a girl who'd have a huge fight with mommy and still spend the night under her roof? Naw, me neither. It didn't happen

[Loves2Read]

During the 911 call when Cindy said they wanted to talk to her, Casey ask "why do they want to talk to me". Strange statement from a person who knew their child was gone

Then in jail conversation IIRC Casey told Cindy, " you know what my involvement in this is" another strange statement from someone who was guilty of harming their child.

These were my first clues something wasn't right.

Neither of these things answer my question. If you think Cindy was the last one to have the child then explain why Cindy was demanding to know from Casey where her grandchild was and why SHE involved the police herself? Why has Casey NEVER once asked her mother what she did with Caylee?

[rosejustrose]

IMO, there is alot more that Tone told LE that wasn't released. In the audio tape at the beginning, the detective states that this was just to clear up some things that had been said previously.

Remember on NG, his roomate saying that the guys weren't too happy about the thought of Caylee being around at night? LE, in this audio tape, never asked him about how he felt about having Caylee around or if he had told her that he didn't want to get more serious.

In the audio interview, they didn't go into detail about when Lee came to the house and got her things.

I guess my bottom line is there is alot that hasn't been released. All MO, which is worth less that 23 cents.

Don't sell yourself short. I happen to agree. I think this new crowd of friends she was running around with opened her eyes to a new way of life. Her old crowd were all working and squeaking by. This new crowd were students, had parents that most likely were helping them out, but seemed to be going in a different direction than her old friends. I think her involvement with TonE is what started things rolling. JMO.

[JanDoe]

IMO, there is alot more that Tone told LE that wasn't released. In the audio tape at the beginning, the detective states that this was just to clear up some things that had been said previously.

Remember on NG, his roomate saying that the guys weren't too happy about the thought of Caylee being around at night? LE, in this audio tape, never asked him about how he felt about having Caylee around or if he had told her that he didn't want to get more serious.

In the audio interview, they didn't go into detail about when Lee came to the house and got her things.

I guess my bottom line is there is alot that hasn't been released. All MO, which is worth less that 23 cents.

I agree with you.......

I think the statement "so we know the child must be staying somewhere at night" cuts to the heart of the info EE was looking
for and that is WHAT HAPPENED TO CAYLEE when Casey was staying
with you.

[bluwaters]

Has Blu been posting the candle link or is she mia?

Hi there hamebone! :seeya:
I'm here. Thanks for action and here's the link:

Please light a Candle for Caylee

click any unlit candle to begin

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

[martha]

Dont forget the donations rolling in and the possible movie deal, sold pictures etc..I'd guess the A's are doing fine.
ITA don;t think anyone has to worrie about how they or doing as far as money goes. It is such a shame that they or getting rich over this sweet little baby. so sad so sad.jmho:rose:

[rosejustrose]

Has Blu been posting the candle link or is she mia?

She posted it earlier this afternoon. Try looking back at pages 2-4.

[trich]

While I do think it's possible that Casey stayed with Tony the night of the 15th...I also think it's possible that she left after her parents went to bed...leaving Caylee asleep in her own bed. Perhaps coming home in the early hours, or after Cindy left for work? Just something I'm willing to consider, and jmo.


I don't think that happened but tone should know and I am sure told LE when she arrived at his place and when she left .
but saying that I don't think it matters ....Caylee IMO was killed either on the 15th or the 16th and by Casey.

[Deb7]

And I think if that's what she wanted she would have just up and left Caylee with Cindy. She had no problem letting watch Caylee and buy everything Caylee needed. She knew she didn't have to get rid of Caylee to go party. IMO


I'm going to have to disagree with you on this... in one of those documents (I think it was the AL one) they said that her (Casey's) mother had called her and told her to come home and take care of the baby. So, she had to leave and was upset about it.
I think her mom tried to make her responsible by forcing her to come home and not be out partying. If her mom would have been a bit of a push over, (nope, not blaming Cindy here) and just kept Caylee and let Casey do whatever she wanted, then this might not even be news. :(
JMO

[crymeariver2006]

True. Casey maintained that Zanny didn't have children and was much younger than the real Zenaida. JMO.


But, it was a whole month later before she had to pull Zenaida's name out of her memory bank. The description is really non-descript. "Hair sometimes curly, sometimes straight", but nothing to really identify her looks - no height, weight, eye color.

She did describe the car, however. That's in Lee's email to Yuri.

[barskin&co.]

The mother of the rapist of our 12 yr old daughter in 1985 took the stand, lied and said he was home. Many witnesses, the photo lineup and my hubby saw him after he left scene of crime......well, please do not say none of us would cover for our children. In less than hour jury found him guilty. He spent close to 17 yrs in prison. :frown:

I am so sorry to hear what happened to your daughter. Thank God the jury saw through the mother. :rose:

[bchand]

I wonder what Casey's explanation is for the chloroform? To Baez and her parents.

and seriously - do you think Baez believes ANYTHING she says to him? He must know she is a complete liar.

[rosejustrose]

OMG.........I am so waiting for Cindy`s statement with LE AND if she is ever deposed as part of Zaneida`s civil trial!!.........

I understand all this about airing dirty laundry but we have to look at the BIG picture hear......CAYLEE is missing.....Cindy just found out at the point she made the comments I mentioned (besides gas can)......SHE NEEDED MEDIA......SHE NEEDED THEM TO BELEIVE HER....why even make statements like that when they could easily be disproved??.......I would be at my most honest and genuine point and why not just say I do not know instead of trying to blindly disprove ANYTHING that makes Casey look bad.

AND she has contiued to do this......it is just all COVER-UP.......and I can easily make the leap in my mind that she did other things we do not know yet........like cleaning that car maybe with the CH?

A lot of folks will jump in and say poor Cindy is in denial. I disagree completely, it's just not her to be in denial. She is definitely in cover up mode and I wonder how many times a day Casey tells her that none of this would have happened had she not made those 911 calls. JMO.

[st777jo]

I was going by a poster saying that Cindy and Casey had argument. Fight? Sorry if I misread or misunderstood the posters theory. Now I am really confused. :)

You are "absolutely" not alone.

Thanks all for where the ZG script came from. Duh to me.

[Rebel Rouzer]

During the 911 call when Cindy said they wanted to talk to her, Casey ask "why do they want to talk to me". Strange statement from a person who knew their child was gone

Then in jail conversation IIRC Casey told Cindy, " you know what my involvement in this is" another strange statement from someone who was guilty of harming their child.

These were my first clues something wasn't right.

I don't know what the motive is for defying all logic and reasonable evidence that has been brought before us thus far but I wish you well on your journey for truth. However you may get there or whatever truth that may be for you. I on the other hand totally disagree with the theory Cindy had anything to do with Caylee Anthony's disappereance or death.

I plan on following the case to find out how and why but it's pretty much exoteric knowledge as to WHO
killed little Caylee Anthony. In my opinion.

[JanDoe]

I wonder what Casey's explanation is for the chloroform? To Baez and her parents.


you can be sure whatever it is....it's a lie.

probably something like......I drove though a cloud

[SavannahStar]

ITA. George doesn't seem like he's much of a player in the Anthony household. He seems like he's just......there. Know what I mean?

JMO.

ITA, Rose, and BTW, hi....didn't see you posting today unless I missed it. :seeya:

In the very beginning, for some reason, I just couldn't stand George. I thought he was such a wuss. A real spineless guy and not much of a husband/father. Now I don't see his "role" in the family much less than that, but I sure sympathize a lot more with him now than I ever did. I realize that's a minority opinion. I think the man is close to losing his health and sanity. I think he really loved Caylee so much.

[barskin&co.]

But, it was a whole month later before she had to pull Zenaida's name out of her memory bank. The description is really non-descript. "Hair sometimes curly, sometimes straight", but nothing to really identify her looks - no height, weight, eye color.

She did describe the car, however. That's in Lee's email to Yuri.

Well, in Lee's email she became 26, 5'7", 140lbs, with "no tattoos visible from a 2 piece bathing suit." Okay, let's go find her!

[cantstandnuts]

That's the story Casey been telling since she got fired in 2006. Nothing strange about that lie. It was used all the time.


I wonder where she was when everyone else thought she was working. That's a lot of time to fill, wonder what she did to fill it.

[rosejustrose]

I wonder what Casey's explanation is for the chloroform? To Baez and her parents.

She's probably telling them that Zanny did that. JMO.

[luvinlife]

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this... in one of those documents (I think it was the AL one) they said that her (Casey's) mother had called her and told her to come home and take care of the baby. So, she had to leave and was upset about it.
I think her mom tried to make her responsible by forcing her to come home and not be out partying. If her mom would have been a bit of a push over, (nope, not blaming Cindy here) and just kept Caylee and let Casey do whatever she wanted, then this might not even be news. :(
JMO



I think that Cindy had been a pushover with Casey, but I think Cindy was starting to put the pressure on Casey because either GA was sick of it or per the rumored councilors advice. This is why I think Cindy seems to have so much guilt, if she would have just kept up the let Casey get away with everything, Caylee may still be here. I think that is what makes her unable/unwilling to believe Caylee is dead. JMHO

[GrannyB]

Neither of these things answer my question. If you think Cindy was the last one to have the child then explain why Cindy was demanding to know from Casey where her grandchild was and why SHE involved the police herself? Why has Casey NEVER once asked her mother what she did with Caylee?



Cindy claims she talked to Casey every day on the phone or by messaging. Why did she wait so long to insist on seeing her? I know she said she asked to see her but they all lie. How do we chose which lie to believe and which lie to disregard?

[bcrmom]

IMO, there is alot more that Tone told LE that wasn't released. In the audio tape at the beginning, the detective states that this was just to clear up some things that had been said previously.

Remember on NG, his roomate saying that the guys weren't too happy about the thought of Caylee being around at night? LE, in this audio tape, never asked him about how he felt about having Caylee around or if he had told her that he didn't want to get more serious.

In the audio interview, they didn't go into detail about when Lee came to the house and got her things.

I guess my bottom line is there is alot that hasn't been released. All MO, which is worth less that 23 cents.

ITA...I've been asking and asking....where was Caylee staying from June 2nd - June 15th at night? Roomies have said she wasn't there-and that Casey lied and said she was with ZFG. Was she, or was she not, with the GPs during that time EVERY night?

I guess no one's said yet?

[rosejustrose]

I was going by a poster saying that Cindy and Casey had argument. Fight? Sorry if I misread or misunderstood the posters theory. Now I am really confused. :)

Join the club. I think the Anthonys have all of our heads spinning! JMO.

[Joan Weiss]

Not a thing to do with love. We are talking about the Anthony's. I don't think any of them even know what love is.Just curious. Since you believe they don't know the meaning of love, why do you think Cindy and George are protecting Casey?

[Rayosunshine]

On Chloroform? I don't think you can suffocate in a trunk because they aren't air tight like a refridgerator.

Fried in the trunk maybe.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[SavannahStar]

ITA don;t think anyone has to worrie about how they or doing as far as money goes. It is such a shame that they or getting rich over this sweet little baby. so sad so sad.jmho:rose:

I don't think anyone is trying to get rich or will get rich over Caylee. No way in the world. Even IF the Anthonys were doing all the sinister things they are accused of, financially, they won't ever be rich. You've got to be kidding. Neither are working to my knowledge, the well runs dry at some point, all bills have to be paid, not to mention attorneys and other stuff......even IF the crazy rumor about two million for a Lifetime movie were true (and it's NOT), they would never be rich. So wipe your tears away, ain't gonna happen.

[Deb7]

I think that Cindy had been a pushover with Casey, but I think Cindy was starting to put the pressure on Casey because either GA was sick of it or per the rumored councilors advice. This is why I think Cindy seems to have so much guilt, if she would have just kept up the let Casey get away with everything, Caylee may still be here. I think that is what makes her unable/unwilling to believe Caylee is dead. JMHO


I definitely agree with you on this. Could you imagine being in her shoes? I think believing Casey's bundle of lies is a better outcome for her than what her heart must really know. At this point, I think she might even have convinced herself that Casey is telling the truth just to keep away the guilt and pain that comes with the knowledge of the real truth.
JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Respectfully disagree. I think Casey did see her around Sawgrass but she didn't identify her because it would be way to easy to disprove anything Casey said. jmo, jo

And it was a month later. She probably didn't even remember what ZG looked like, I mean it's not like she had known her for years.

She only saw her one time and I believe that was the day ZG looked at the apartment at Sawgrass.

[Loves2Read]

Cindy claims she talked to Casey every day on the phone or by messaging. Why did she wait so long to insist on seeing her? I know she said she asked to see her but they all lie. How do we chose which lie to believe and which lie to disregard?

Again, you have not answered my question. Cindy DID call the police and report her grandchild missing that is a fact. Not one other person was as concerned about the whereabouts of Caylee. I just can't understand your point of view at all. I will not be be bothering you any further. :seeya: