thurs.9\25 morn. thread day 101

[day2day]

I haven't but I think I understand your point. My point is Casey did not pick her out of a line up and say "that's her, she took my baby", and LE has determined this woman is not involved in whatever happened. She has been cleared publicly. Therefore, if she is being treated badly because of her name, then it is the people treating her badly that are responsible. They are the ones that should be held accountable, assuming what she says is true.

Zanny should be thanking God that she couldn't pick her out of a lineup. It is a pretty scary thought and Zanny's name is really not that popular. I just hope if nothing else this case helps us find out why she chose that name -and stuck with it!

:seeya:

[happy2bme]

I thought it was early in the AM. ????

I am confused too. I thought she ran out of gas early Am and he didn't pick her up until the afternoon.

[barskin&co.]

I haven't but I think I understand your point. My point is Casey did not pick her out of a line up and say "that's her, she took my baby", and LE has determined this woman is not involved in whatever happened. She has been cleared publicly. Therefore, if she is being treated badly because of her name, then it is the people treating her badly that are responsible. They are the ones that should be held accountable, assuming what she says is true.

As a matter of fact, Casey was given a photographic line up and she said (looking at a picture of the laws suit Zenaida Gonzalez), "that's not her, she didn't take my baby." That, to me, is the strongest evidence that ZG doesn't have a case.

[jbellaj]

I thought ZG was saying that Casey knew what kind of car she drove.? Or her lawyer was anyway


I did not see or read the interview with ZG so I can't answer that question. I only read the text messages that were released which are on the links thread and it's page 1276..:shrug:

[SavannahStar]

REPOST....

Anybody? Buehler???
Does everyone have me on ignore or what?


I don't! :rose:

(And I know I owe ya a PM. :cool:)

[SavannahStar]

I haven't but I think I understand your point. My point is Casey did not pick her out of a line up and say "that's her, she took my baby", and LE has determined this woman is not involved in whatever happened. She has been cleared publicly. Therefore, if she is being treated badly because of her name, then it is the people treating her badly that are responsible. They are the ones that should be held accountable, assuming what she says is true.


Perfectly stated! :beer:

[Cury-us Coyote]

I did watch the second interview with ZG, lost the link thanks to my sweet 1 yr old.

ZG says she does own a silver car, does not say the make.

She also said LE talked to her the second time and asked if her kids names were --------- and --------- , she is assuming Casey gave the names, I am assuming that LE got them from the card at Sawgrass.

400+ document drop page 49 includes the AIMCO guest card with children's names (unclear if they are ZG's).
jmo

[jammies]

I got the same impression. I am not sure about anyone else


me too. Jesse especially. Seems one of his interviews is mostly about his own investigation and theories. btw, I think he was suspicious of Tony.

[Cheri_G]

Zanny should be thanking God that she couldn't pick her out of a lineup. It is a pretty scary thought and Zanny's name is really not that popular. I just hope if nothing else this case helps us find out why she chose that name -and stuck with it!

:seeya:

I had thought Zenaida was a very unusual name, so I was surprised to learn that there are a quite a few Zenaida's.

[jammies]

I have sort of an 'ear' for this kind of thing. :D

It may seem like a small detail to some, the way she framed that up that somehow the car was responsible for its lack of gas, but the things people say to themselves reflect their view of the world. In Casey's world, she's responsible for nothing. Cindy frames things precisely the same way.

People who are always looking outside themselves to explain what's happening in their own lives are very difficult for me to be around. And they can be dangerous, as we're seeing with the Anthonys.



Great post, St.Nic, and so true.

[tiny paw-prints]

But she had money stolen from cynthia and the great grands, didn't she? Plus credit cards.

I don't believe Casey had any money/cash flow in hand when she left the house on June 15-16 until she stole the cash from Amy approx 7/3. And, any loose change/money that she might have had probably went for clothes or makeup, clubbing/alcohol beverages and maybe food; but rarely for gas!

She already patterned her manipulative ways of "need gas" for nearly 2 years.

The routing number check funds from great-grands is yet to be revealed. Could it be possible that she loaned Amy a substantial amount of that money so that Amy could purchase her new car? Or gave it to Brother Lee to keep those funds separate and "centralized"?

[WinnieLeigh7]

REPOST....

Anybody? Buehler???
Does everyone have me on ignore or what?



I don't have you on ignore :)

[Rebel Rouzer]

I am confused too. I thought she ran out of gas early Am and he didn't pick her up until the afternoon.

Ok. The car was noticed on the 27th at around 7 am by the Amcot employee.
Around 10 something am She asked Jesse to take a shower at his place correct? Then She calls Tony and asks him to pick her up because her car broke down correct? He picked her up before noon correct?

Do i have all this straight?

[jbellaj]

REPOST....

Anybody? Buehler???
Does everyone have me on ignore or what?


Not Me :D

[Rayosunshine]

Does anyone know if there are still stoves in use that use gasoline?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[trich]

Oh I agree with that 100%! I'm just sayin she couldn't climb bamboo. The kind I assume is in the Anthonys' yard anyway...like mine, also here in FL.....is just not sturdy at all, even for a two-year-old. A kitty cat couldn't even climb it. Lizards do, though. (Again, though, this is FL, we have little bitty lizards all over the place.) :D

I also have bamboo in my back yard and it is tall but it can not be climbed.
Yes lizards could and do but in a good rain it will lay on the ground and then striaghten back up when it is dry.
It is too flexable to climb.

[WinnieLeigh7]

What is it with this obsession with gas cans? Driving me nuts.

I am going to research gas cans and see it there is any illicit use of them.

Isabelle
Ray'sMom

I find it a lil' odd too...

Even Amy stating that everybody needs gas cans or whatever it was...

I dunno...I don't carry a gas can around with me, do you?? I mean, sure I have some, at home...for the lawnmower and stuff, but I don't carry 'em around with me

:shrug:

[Regina.Lampert]

I haven't but I think I understand your point. My point is Casey did not pick her out of a line up and say "that's her, she took my baby", and LE has determined this woman is not involved in whatever happened. She has been cleared publicly. Therefore, if she is being treated badly because of her name, then it is the people treating her badly that are responsible. They are the ones that should be held accountable, assuming what she says is true.

.....and between the time anthony first used this woman's name and her finally clearing her by failing to identify her as the kidnapper, this lady was investigated by LE, had her name dragged thru the mud and suffered some emotional distress. All at the hands of one casey anthony. That's what the civil action will address, imo.

[Cheri_G]

As a matter of fact, Casey was given a photographic line up and she said (looking at a picture of the laws suit Zenaida Gonzalez), "that's not her, she didn't take my baby." That, to me, is the strongest evidence that ZG doesn't have a case.

I remember that Casey had been shown a picture of Zenaida and didn't recognize her, and I agree with you.

She doesn't have a good case against Casey, but if she's telling the truth about being discriminated because of her name, she does have a case against the people discriminating against her.

[jammies]

I am confused too. I thought she ran out of gas early Am and he didn't pick her up until the afternoon.


I remember we had a conversation about this right here. We were wondering where she would have gone that early, where she would have bought groceries, etc.

Maybe I'm hallucinating again! (3rd time today.....swore I had bought blueberries and blueberry muffin mix. Searched hi and low....nope)

[sukapi]

About the shovel~~

Can anybody tell me WHY Casey would have to borrow a shovel from a neighbor when everybody that owns a house with gardens and a pool would already have their OWN shovel or shovels in the OWN garage?

There is no way the Anthony's did not OWN a shovel..Why make a big deal of making it so obvious of borrowing a shovel when she KNEW that information would come out...

This shovel borrowing seems like a set up to me....Something is really fishy about the whole shovel thing..:mad:

I think borrowing the shovel from the neighbor was a decoy. She had broken into the shed before ~ why couldn't she have done so the second time. She wanted the neighbor to remember she borrowed it but only had it for a short time ~ took the one from the shed used it somewhere else and stealthy returned it. She is devious, evil and IMOP a MURDERER!!!! she makes ME want to choke her!!!!

[bewitched]

:) Hi all - I have been reading the boards everyday and have decided to jump right in

I truly believe that Caylee was murdered on the evening of June 15th and put her in Casey's trunk until about June 27th when she put her in the dumpster. I believe this is what happened. Cindy took Caylee to see her Great Grandpa at the nursing home on Sunday June 15th - this is a documented fact - the video - and discovered Casey had stolen the money. Cindy and Caylee come home and Cindy confronts Casey and that is the Big fight the neighbors heard. Casey takes Caylee and out the door they go. I believe this is when Caylee was murdered. Period.
Tone's roomate told Greta that Casey spent the night on Sunday June 15th without Caylee - OK - there is no way George saw Caylee on the June 16th - Casey was at Tone's apartment without Caylee

This case breaks my heart so much - sweet sweet baby Caylee

OK - please tell me your thoughts

Dawn

[WinnieLeigh7]

Ok. The car was noticed on the 27th at around 7 am by the Amcot employee.
Around 10 something am She asked Jesse to take a shower at his place correct? Then She calls Tony and asks him to pick her up because her car broke down correct? He picked her up before noon correct?

Do i have all this straight?



:shrug:
I'm just as confused.

She 'hung out at Jesse's too...until the roommate got there or something...

[OneUp]

This is the best comprehensive overview of child abuse/neglect I have found on the internet thus far. Not a terribly complicated read, but a long one. It is broken up in well labeled sections though, and parts of it are very interesting regarding this case.
I was aware that children are at the highest risk of becoming abused under age four...that's a sad fact, isn't it? There is some explanation of why in here that MAY relate to some things contributing to this being an especaillay dangerous time for Casey to suddenly be solely in charge of Caylee for the first time ever....As I've said, it was just a combination of Casey's "personality" the stressors in Casey's life then, and shifts in her relationship with her daughter and Changes in Caylee herself ( Independance, etc.).
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Child Abuse
Medical Author: John Mersch, MD, FAAP
Medical Editor: William C. Shiel Jr., MD, FACP, FACR

http://www.medicinenet.com/child_abuse/article.htm

All ages of children suffer from child abuse and neglect. Research has shown, however, that risk factors exist making it more likely that certain children may be abused. These risk factors include

*"age: 67% of abused children are less than 1 year old; 80% are less than 3 years old;" [ meaning that 13% are age 1+ to under 3 ]

*"A common theme when interviewing abusive individuals is an unrealistic expectation of infant or child behaviors. Often they expect developmental-milestone maturity beyond the age of the child (such as toilet training). Commonly, the child is incapable of providing what many parents anticipate to be unconditional love. The normally self-centered nature of childhood behavior clashes with the abusive adult's expectations with disastrous results."

*"Fatal injuries from mistreatment can and do result from many different acts. Children may die from severe head trauma (injury), shaken baby syndrome, trauma to the abdomen or chest, scalding, burns, drowning, suffocation, poisoning, starvation, etc. "

*What factors predispose a person to child abuse?
The abuser's childhood: Approximately 20% of offenders were themselves abused as children.
The abuser's substance abuse:
Family stress: The disintegration of the nuclear family and its inherent support systems have been held to be associated with child abuse.
Social forces:
The child: Children at higher risk for abuse include infants who are felt to be "overly fussy," handicapped children, and children with chronic diseases." * [ I am inserting here that this is in no way the fault of the child, rather it is a result of the caregivers inability to cope with the increased demand for care of this type of child.]

"Specific "trigger" events that occur just before many fatal parental assaults on infants and young children include an infant's inconsolable crying, feeding difficulties, a toddler's failed toilet training, and exaggerated parental perceptions of acts of "disobedience" by the child. "
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* As you can see, for one such as myself familiar with child abuse, the situations at work in Casey's life made things very dangerous for Caylee...If there WAS ever to be a "Good" time for Casey to begin independant parenting, this was definitely not it.
That is why my theory on what happened is that it began as a reaction to normal child behaviors that Casey could not handle and escalated into Caylee's demise...because I have seen it happen time and again. History proves that to often be the case, even for people far better adjusted than Casey.
Savannah Star's theory ( held by others too) of an accident and subsequent coverup fit this information equally as well, as the same factors often lead to improper supervision of a child as the one's leading to abuse....there are other things factoring into my belief that it was not an accident.
I'm sorry this is rather long, but it makes for some interesting and relevant reading.
All JMO.

[GrannyB]

Thanks. She was sure taking chances going in and out of her parents.


George wasn't working at this time was he. All that going to the house she was doing makes me wonder if the parents didn't know she was doing it. I would like to know when any of the neighbors remember seeing Caylee last. I bet it in some of the interviews LE is holding back.

[crymeariver2006]

Does anyone know if there are still stoves in use that use gasoline?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Camp stoves? The only ones I know of use propane. I've never seen a stove that you would light with gasoline.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Anyone ever think that she 'ran over' Caylee??

Awful, awful thought, I know...

But with all the 'hit something, ran over, squirrel allegations" :confused:


There was a case here in my state, Anderson County I believe...that the bf did that to his gf...
I think it's a TES case too...

and I'm wanting to say he burnt her after that (not sure, I could be confusing stories)...
but gas cans...

:confused: I just don't know anymore.

I know Caylee's gone
I know Casey should pay...

As to everything else :shrug:

[day2day]

:) Hi all - I have been reading the boards everyday and have decided to jump right in

I truly believe that Caylee was murdered on the evening of June 15th and put her in Casey's trunk until about June 27th when she put her in the dumpster. I believe this is what happened. Cindy took Caylee to see her Great Grandpa at the nursing home on Sunday June 15th - this is a documented fact - the video - and discovered Casey had stolen the money. Cindy and Caylee come home and Cindy confronts Casey and that is the Big fight the neighbors heard. Casey takes Caylee and out the door they go. I believe this is when Caylee was murdered. Period.
Tone's roomate told Greta that Casey spent the night on Sunday June 15th without Caylee - OK - there is no way George saw Caylee on the June 16th - Casey was at Tone's apartment without Caylee

This case breaks my heart so much - sweet sweet baby Caylee

OK - please tell me your thoughts

Dawn

Welcome Bewitched!
I agree with your theory. Except i think that Caylee's little body was moved maybe more than once. :seeya:

[Rebel Rouzer]

:) Hi all - I have been reading the boards everyday and have decided to jump right in

I truly believe that Caylee was murdered on the evening of June 15th and put her in Casey's trunk until about June 27th when she put her in the dumpster. I believe this is what happened. Cindy took Caylee to see her Great Grandpa at the nursing home on Sunday June 15th - this is a documented fact - the video - and discovered Casey had stolen the money. Cindy and Caylee come home and Cindy confronts Casey and that is the Big fight the neighbors heard. Casey takes Caylee and out the door they go. I believe this is when Caylee was murdered. Period.
Tone's roomate told Greta that Casey spent the night on Sunday June 15th without Caylee - OK - there is no way George saw Caylee on the June 16th - Casey was at Tone's apartment without Caylee

This case breaks my heart so much - sweet sweet baby Caylee

OK - please tell me your thoughts

Dawn

Welcome A Board :seeya:

I don't think you are too far off in your theory of what Casey did and what happened.

[OneUp]

REPOST....

Anybody? Buehler???
Does everyone have me on ignore or what?You aren't on MY iggie...but I just arrived myself and am only now catching up. Give me a moment and maybe I'll have something "real" to respond with.:)

[Cheri_G]

.....and between the time anthony first used this woman's name and her finally clearing her by failing to identify her as the kidnapper, this lady was investigated by LE, had her name dragged thru the mud and suffered some emotional distress. All at the hands of one casey anthony. That's what the civil action will address, imo.

I disagree. First the Anthony's did not use the name, Casey alone did. Also, this all happened within 24 hours of Caylee finally being reported missing. Zenaida was cleared the day Casey was arrested. Anything Zenaida has suffered (assuming she truly has as a result of this case) since has been at the hands of the public.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Hi Winnie.
I read that part of Amy's statement.. but don't recall the date? Is it possible that gas can was going to be used to retrieve the car from Amscot?.. but it got towed too fast?

I don't think Casey ever had any intentions of retrieving the car. If she did, she would have done it that same day... let her Knight rescue her...

I believe she abandoned the car for a reason (be it smell, be it to set up a theft, whatever...something)

[kitty1182]

:) Hi all - I have been reading the boards everyday and have decided to jump right in

I truly believe that Caylee was murdered on the evening of June 15th and put her in Casey's trunk until about June 27th when she put her in the dumpster. I believe this is what happened. Cindy took Caylee to see her Great Grandpa at the nursing home on Sunday June 15th - this is a documented fact - the video - and discovered Casey had stolen the money. Cindy and Caylee come home and Cindy confronts Casey and that is the Big fight the neighbors heard. Casey takes Caylee and out the door they go. I believe this is when Caylee was murdered. Period.
Tone's roomate told Greta that Casey spent the night on Sunday June 15th without Caylee - OK - there is no way George saw Caylee on the June 16th - Casey was at Tone's apartment without Caylee

This case breaks my heart so much - sweet sweet baby Caylee

OK - please tell me your thoughts

Dawn

Hello and Welcome:seeya:

[SavannahStar]

:) Hi all - I have been reading the boards everyday and have decided to jump right in

I truly believe that Caylee was murdered on the evening of June 15th and put her in Casey's trunk until about June 27th when she put her in the dumpster. I believe this is what happened. Cindy took Caylee to see her Great Grandpa at the nursing home on Sunday June 15th - this is a documented fact - the video - and discovered Casey had stolen the money. Cindy and Caylee come home and Cindy confronts Casey and that is the Big fight the neighbors heard. Casey takes Caylee and out the door they go. I believe this is when Caylee was murdered. Period.
Tone's roomate told Greta that Casey spent the night on Sunday June 15th without Caylee - OK - there is no way George saw Caylee on the June 16th - Casey was at Tone's apartment without Caylee

This case breaks my heart so much - sweet sweet baby Caylee

OK - please tell me your thoughts

Dawn

First off.....the neighbors didn't hear a big fight on the 15th. Unless it is documented somewhere I don't know about. ONE neighbor told Mark Furhrman he heard arguing at that house on that weekend (no specific day) but it was nothing unusual because they always argued over there.

As far as your theory, other than that, it's as good as anyone's. It's all just speculation.

Welcome to the board. :seeya:

[Cury-us Coyote]

:) Hi all - I have been reading the boards everyday and have decided to jump right in

I truly believe that Caylee was murdered on the evening of June 15th and put her in Casey's trunk until about June 27th when she put her in the dumpster. I believe this is what happened. Cindy took Caylee to see her Great Grandpa at the nursing home on Sunday June 15th - this is a documented fact - the video - and discovered Casey had stolen the money. Cindy and Caylee come home and Cindy confronts Casey and that is the Big fight the neighbors heard. Casey takes Caylee and out the door they go. I believe this is when Caylee was murdered. Period.
Tone's roomate told Greta that Casey spent the night on Sunday June 15th without Caylee - OK - there is no way George saw Caylee on the June 16th - Casey was at Tone's apartment without Caylee

This case breaks my heart so much - sweet sweet baby Caylee

OK - please tell me your thoughts

Dawn

Bewitched
Welcome aboard the Caylee train - destination Justice. :seeya:

[barskin&co.]

:) Hi all - I have been reading the boards everyday and have decided to jump right in

I truly believe that Caylee was murdered on the evening of June 15th and put her in Casey's trunk until about June 27th when she put her in the dumpster. I believe this is what happened. Cindy took Caylee to see her Great Grandpa at the nursing home on Sunday June 15th - this is a documented fact - the video - and discovered Casey had stolen the money. Cindy and Caylee come home and Cindy confronts Casey and that is the Big fight the neighbors heard. Casey takes Caylee and out the door they go. I believe this is when Caylee was murdered. Period.
Tone's roomate told Greta that Casey spent the night on Sunday June 15th without Caylee - OK - there is no way George saw Caylee on the June 16th - Casey was at Tone's apartment without Caylee

This case breaks my heart so much - sweet sweet baby Caylee

OK - please tell me your thoughts

Dawn

I think your theory is quite likely, except Clint did not say Casey spent the night on June 15.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you remember waking up that next day, the day after Father's Day?

HOUSE: Yes, Monday for class.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you remember seeing Caylee?

HOUSE: No, Caylee was not -- like I said, Caylee never spent the night over there, so...

VAN SUSTEREN: How about Casey? Was Casey there that morning, if you remember?

HOUSE: I can't recall.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,403801,00.html

I also don't think Caylee's body could have remained in her trunk that long. The decomposition proces would have been to fast for that. I think she abandoned the car for the smell.

[jbellaj]

Anyone ever think that she 'ran over' Caylee??

Awful, awful thought, I know...

But with all the 'hit something, ran over, squirrel allegations" :confused:


There was a case here in my state, Anderson County I believe...that the bf did that to his gf...
I think it's a TES case too...

and I'm wanting to say he burnt her after that (not sure, I could be confusing stories)...
but gas cans...

:confused: I just don't know anymore.

I know Caylee's gone
I know Casey should pay...

As to everything else :shrug:

Then why not just call 911? If it was any kind of an accident I would think she would have called 911. If it was murder then that's another whole story. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

.....and between the time anthony first used this woman's name and her finally clearing her by failing to identify her as the kidnapper, this lady was investigated by LE, had her name dragged thru the mud and suffered some emotional distress. All at the hands of one casey anthony. That's what the civil action will address, imo.


I agree. Add in the number of times that little piece of tape has played where Casey is giving her name and spelling it out and Lee sending the email to Yuri reinforcing the theory, including a description of the car.

IMO, Casey cased the parking lot at Sawgrass and found her "mark" on 6/17 when ZG looked at the apartment.

[5boxersmom]

I got the impression that the lives of some of these youngsters (:tongue:) are quite chaotic, by my standards (and even by my standards when I was their age so many moons ago). People changing addresses all the time. People flopping on on one anothers' couches and floors. People with multiple roommates. People constantly calling each other and texting each other and hanging out. People with work and school schedules all over the map. People without much money flying to Boston and D.C. and New York and Puerto Rico.

I dunno. I apparently lived one very boring life in my early 20's.

Yeah I thought that about the money too. Didn't someone in their interview with LE say they going to take a Helicopter ride? :confused:

Caylee:rose:

[crymeariver2006]

I got the impression that the lives of some of these youngsters (:tongue:) are quite chaotic, by my standards (and even by my standards when I was their age so many moons ago). People changing addresses all the time. People flopping on on one anothers' couches and floors. People with multiple roommates. People constantly calling each other and texting each other and hanging out. People with work and school schedules all over the map. People without much money flying to Boston and D.C. and New York and Puerto Rico.

I dunno. :shrug: I apparently lived one very boring life in my early 20's.


You and me both. I had graduated college and bought my first house.

[SavannahStar]

I got the impression that the lives of some of these youngsters (:tongue:) are quite chaotic, by my standards (and even by my standards when I was their age so many moons ago). People changing addresses all the time. People flopping on on one anothers' couches and floors. People with multiple roommates. People constantly calling each other and texting each other and hanging out. People with work and school schedules all over the map. People without much money flying to Boston and D.C. and New York and Puerto Rico.

I dunno. :shrug: I apparently lived one very boring life in my early 20's.


That post made me laugh! How true. It's a different world. I'm kinda glad I'm an old geezer. :eek:

[WinnieLeigh7]

Then why not just call 911? If it was any kind of an accident I would think she would have called 911. If it was murder then that's another whole story. JMO

I never use the term "accident" because despite ANY theories that have been stated, the 'afterthoughts/actions' does NOT make this an 'accident'

But with that aside, you do have the 'panic' theory...
you still could have 'homicide' (and she know it) b/c she was drunk or drugged up thus not wanting cops involved...:confused:

She could have just been in such a rage and for that split moment stomped the gas completely knowing Caylee was right there...

I don't know...

[SavannahStar]

Then why not just call 911? If it was any kind of an accident I would think she would have called 911. If it was murder then that's another whole story. JMO

I think 99.9999999% believe it was no accident at least partly because she didn't call 911. Most people would, of course. But Casey is unlike most people.

[jbellaj]

Yeah I thought that about the money too. Didn't someone in their interview with LE say they going to take a Helicopter ride? :confused:

Caylee:rose:

I saw that too, not sure if it was in one of the interviews or the text messages though.

[StickyBeak]

Audio tapes released of Lee A, Jesse G and Tony L. They are in the studio of WFTV, will be awhile until they encode them to release.

Drip Drip Drip for sure.

[Snoopy50]

Yeah I thought that about the money too. Didn't someone in their interview with LE say they going to take a Helicopter ride? :confused:

Caylee:rose:
Yep, it was William. Those rides are a bit pricey, how were all these kids finding the $$ to do the things they did? Other than Casey, we know where she got her $$:cuss:

[Regina.Lampert]

I disagree. First the Anthony's did not use the name, Casey alone did. Also, this all happened within 24 hours of Caylee finally being reported missing. Zenaida was cleared the day Casey was arrested. Anything Zenaida has suffered (assuming she truly has as a result of this case) since has been at the hands of the public.

Mr. Morgan, in the link provided by Swavorsky, goes into detail just why cynthia and george could be included in the civil action. Both are on record as saying this woman's name as the kidnapper. Watch the video and you will have a better idea of what is going to happen and why.

[GrannyB]

:) Hi all - I have been reading the boards everyday and have decided to jump right in

I truly believe that Caylee was murdered on the evening of June 15th and put her in Casey's trunk until about June 27th when she put her in the dumpster. I believe this is what happened. Cindy took Caylee to see her Great Grandpa at the nursing home on Sunday June 15th - this is a documented fact - the video - and discovered Casey had stolen the money. Cindy and Caylee come home and Cindy confronts Casey and that is the Big fight the neighbors heard. Casey takes Caylee and out the door they go. I believe this is when Caylee was murdered. Period.
Tone's roomate told Greta that Casey spent the night on Sunday June 15th without Caylee - OK - there is no way George saw Caylee on the June 16th - Casey was at Tone's apartment without Caylee

This case breaks my heart so much - sweet sweet baby Caylee

OK - please tell me your thoughts

Dawn

From what we seen Cindy had no problem telling Casey what a lousy mother she was. Not sayig I believe it either, her friends tell a totally different story. I can see Casey after being caught and we know Cindy was probably screaming about everything she'd ever gone wrong
Casey telling her fine I'm leaving and since you are such a great mother you can raise Caylee. I do not believe Cindy would have let her leave with Caylee. It would explain why all Caylee's belonging were still at the home. Casey finally stood up to Cindy and Cindy let her go because she had no doubt Casey would be back. Explains Casey at all the clubs and not acting like Caylee was missing. As far as Casey was concerned Caylee was fine with her mother. She did say she left her with someone she trusted. Explains why she said to her mother at the time of 911 "why would they want to talk to me". She didn't have a clue what had happened to Caylee. Also explain her words to Cindy,
you know the extent of my involvment in this. At that point she was following Cindy's script. Explains her no emotions now, which Jesse said was not like her. She finally stood up to her controlling mother and she lost her child. This makes more sense to me than Casey got mad and killed Caylee for revenge. Doesn't fit with anything her friends have said about the way she treated Caylee. I just can't shake this idea try as I might.

[jbellaj]

I never use the term "accident" because despite ANY theories that have been stated, the 'afterthoughts/actions' does NOT make this an 'accident'

But with that aside, you do have the 'panic' theory...
you still could have 'homicide' (and she know it) b/c she was drunk or drugged up thus not wanting cops involved...:confused:

She could have just been in such a rage and for that split moment stomped the gas completely knowing Caylee was right there...

I don't know...

Well Amy did say she was smoking pot more then she used to. So being drugged up can work for me too.

[barskin&co.]

I got the impression that the lives of some of these youngsters (:tongue:) are quite chaotic, by my standards (and even by my standards when I was their age so many moons ago). People changing addresses all the time. People flopping on on one anothers' couches and floors. People with multiple roommates. People constantly calling each other and texting each other and hanging out. People with work and school schedules all over the map. People without much money flying to Boston and D.C. and New York and Puerto Rico.

I dunno. :shrug: I apparently lived one very boring life in my early 20's.

Hello, my jolly old friend. :seeya: The schedule may seem "chaotic" when you put all the lives togther in a mass on a time line in relation to Casey. But, remember, these other people held down jobs, went to school, supported themselves, etc. People, other than Casey, can take a vacation, travel to see family...all that sort of stuff, doncha think?

[trich]

I agree. Add in the number of times that little piece of tape has played where Casey is giving her name and spelling it out and Lee sending the email to Yuri reinforcing the theory, including a description of the car.

IMO, Casey cased the parking lot at Sawgrass and found her "mark" on 6/17 when ZG looked at the apartment.


I think that her friends that lived in218 might have unwittingly gave her information that she used to facilitate her Zaneida story.
Also I would love to know if that story book about zanny the nanny is amongst the toys, and things still in Caylee's room.
Wonder if they were smart enough to get rid of it considering it has been mentioned on the internet.

[Regina.Lampert]

I agree. Add in the number of times that little piece of tape has played where Casey is giving her name and spelling it out and Lee sending the email to Yuri reinforcing the theory, including a description of the car.

IMO, Casey cased the parking lot at Sawgrass and found her "mark" on 6/17 when ZG looked at the apartment.

Oh yes, and that little piece of canvassing may just lead to a first degree murder charge if LE thinks it's proof of premeditation. IMO.

[need2no]

I remember that Casey had been shown a picture of Zenaida and didn't recognize her, and I agree with you.

She doesn't have a good case against Casey, but if she's telling the truth about being discriminated because of her name, she does have a case against the people discriminating against her.



:seeya:Cheri

You are correct on both counts!

The mother, Cindy Anthony, says going back as far as two years, she remembers her daughter, Casey, mentioning a Zenaida Gonzalez as a baby- sitter or nanny, and she says simply that's not the Zenaida. And in fact, the sheriff's department confirmed today they took a photo of that Zenaida Gonzalez, showed it to Casey Anthony in jail, and Casey Anthony responded, I don't know who that is.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,400001,00.html

[WinnieLeigh7]

From what we seen Cindy had no problem telling Casey what a lousy mother she was. Not sayig I believe it either, her friends tell a totally different story. I can see Casey after being caught and we know Cindy was probably screaming about everything she'd ever gone wrong
Casey telling her fine I'm leaving and since you are such a great mother you can raise Caylee. I do not believe Cindy would have let her leave with Caylee. It would explain why all Caylee's belonging were still at the home. Casey finally stood up to Cindy and Cindy let her go because she had no doubt Casey would be back. Explains Casey at all the clubs and not acting like Caylee was missing. As far as Casey was concerned Caylee was fine with her mother. She did say she left her with someone she trusted. Explains why she said to her mother at the time of 911 "why would they want to talk to me". She didn't have a clue what had happened to Caylee. Also explain her words to Cindy,
you know the extent of my involvment in this. At that point she was following Cindy's script. Explains her no emotions now, which Jesse said was not like her. She finally stood up to her controlling mother and she lost her child. This makes more sense to me than Casey got mad and killed Caylee for revenge. Doesn't fit with anything her friends have said about the way she treated Caylee. I just can't shake this idea try as I might.



:confused:

Sorry, doesn't make sense to me...as a 'good mother' or at least a loving mother...

You better believe that not only would I NOT be 'ratting' my mama out for hurting/killing my child (vs. covering for her...at MY expense)

you bet...it would be my hands around HER throat and it would take one mighty big army to pull me off

[5boxersmom]

Yep, it was William. Those rides are a bit pricey, how were all these kids finding the $$ to do the things they did? Other than Casey, we know where she got her $$:cuss:

I know a few kids this age that are single and they don't have money for stuff like this. Heck some of them still live at home and work, go to school. They are lucky to pay their small bills they have. I guess the economy problem is not hurting that bunch. :)

jmo

Caylee:rose:

[jbellaj]

I think 99.9999999% believe it was no accident at least partly because she didn't call 911. Most people would, of course. But Casey is unlike most people.


You know there are so many twist and turns and so many people are involved that I really don't know if anyone will ever find out the truth. It's all so confusing and it just keep getting more confusing everyday. JMO

[need2no]

I think that her friends that lived in218 might have unwittingly gave her information that she used to facilitate her Zaneida story.
Also I would love to know if that story book about zanny the nanny is amongst the toys, and things still in Caylee's room.
Wonder if they were smart enough to get rid of it considering it has been mentioned on the internet.


L. Padilla said on NG (don't recall the date of the show), he presented the FBI (when they went to CA) with a copy of the book...I assume he purchased it.

[Regina.Lampert]

Hello, my jolly old friend. :seeya: The schedule may seem "chaotic" when you put all the lives togther in a mass on a time line in relation to Casey. But, remember, these other people held down jobs, went to school, supported themselves, etc. People, other than Casey, can take a vacation, travel to see family...all that sort of stuff, doncha think?


Stop trying to schmooze Santa, you gots a long way till Christmas and I'm sure you'll be bad before then........... :tongue:

I'm looking forward to seeing the "calendars" LE has on this mess.

[SavannahStar]

:seeya:Cheri

You are correct on both counts!

The mother, Cindy Anthony, says going back as far as two years, she remembers her daughter, Casey, mentioning a Zenaida Gonzalez as a baby- sitter or nanny, and she says simply that's not the Zenaida. And in fact, the sheriff's department confirmed today they took a photo of that Zenaida Gonzalez, showed it to Casey Anthony in jail, and Casey Anthony responded, I don't know who that is.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,400001,00.html

Yep. That suit doesn't have a chance.

[beckyj]

Yeah I thought that about the money too. Didn't someone in their interview with LE say they going to take a Helicopter ride? :confused:

Caylee:rose:

Oh but they all have credit cards - REMEMBER! Isn't it a wonderful world we live in when you can charge, charge, charge, until the economy falls apart. JMO

[~jomomma~]

http://www.local6.com/news/17111283/detail.html

In an interview with Fox News, Casey Anthony's father, George Anthony, said on the day of the theft, Casey did not want him to retrieve a tool from the trunk of her car.

"She was hesitant about letting me get in the car, and I said, 'Well, I've got an extra key, I'll just go get it.' She was adamant about that," George Anthony said.

"She didn't want him to know the gas cans were (in the trunk). She thought she could put them back and leave him a note of apology," Cindy Anthony said.

Cindy Anthony said her husband noticed nothing suspicious when he retrieved the gas cans from the trunk.

"There was no Caylee in the back of the car. There was nothing else in the back of the car except the normal stuff," Cindy Anthony said.

----------------------------
:lol: casey would leave a note of apology?????? ha ha...yeah, cindy!!

ummm...the report we've all heard is that George went to the trunk and got the cans.

but Lee said that casey 'gave' them to George (with not so nice language) :confused:

[Cheri_G]

Mr. Morgan, in the link provided by Swavorsky, goes into detail just why cynthia and george could be included in the civil action. Both are on record as saying this woman's name as the kidnapper. Watch the video and you will have a better idea of what is going to happen and why.

They said the name but they did not identify this particular woman.

[jammies]

Yep, it was William. Those rides are a bit pricey, how were all these kids finding the $$ to do the things they did? Other than Casey, we know where she got her $$:cuss:


Wm. had a job and also worked side jobs.

[nutterbutter]

Camp stoves? The only ones I know of use propane. I've never seen a stove that you would light with gasoline.
I think you are correct.moo

[barskin&co.]

Oh but they all have credit cards - REMEMBER! Isn't it a wonderful world we live in when you can charge, charge, charge, until the economy falls apart. JMO

Hey, let's stop putting down Casey's acquaintances. They, unlike the princess, had jobs.

[GrannyB]

:confused:

Sorry, doesn't make sense to me...as a 'good mother' or at least a loving mother...

You better believe that not only would I NOT be 'ratting' my mama out for hurting/killing my child (vs. covering for her...at MY expense)

you bet...it would be my hands around HER throat and it would take one mighty big army to pull me off


You would and I would but not a person who had been controlled and belittle like Casey was. Cindy didn't care if Casey lied and stole money.
She let her do it. It gave her control and that's what "Cindy is about.
I've seen a family like the Anthony's or I wouldn't believe how much control Cindy has over the whole family. Casey has been damage from birth. She can't make it if Cindy doesn't control her and she can't stand it at the same time.

[jbellaj]

I'm still on the fence as to whether it was an accident or intentional. But if it was an accident, given Cindy's very low opinion of Casey and her love for Caylee, coupled with Casey's generally adolescent behavior and irresponsibility, I actually wouldn't expect Casey to call 911. If it was an accident and Casey went immediately into coverup mode, that makes perfect sense to me with what I know about Casey, Cindy, and the whole Anthony family mess.

Like I said early this morning, if she would just tell where Caylee is and say it was an accident whether or not that part is the truth at least Caylee can have a proper resting place that she deserves. Let a jury decide if it was an accident or not at this point I don't care just bring that baby home.
JMO

[kakax]

I got the impression that the lives of some of these youngsters (:tongue:) are quite chaotic, by my standards (and even by my standards when I was their age so many moons ago). People changing addresses all the time. People flopping on on one anothers' couches and floors. People with multiple roommates. People constantly calling each other and texting each other and hanging out. People with work and school schedules all over the map. People without much money flying to Boston and D.C. and New York and Puerto Rico.

I dunno. :shrug: I apparently lived one very boring life in my early 20's.

I think the parents of these 20 somethings probably helped pay for plane trips. Amy in her text messages was asking her Dad about the tickets..others flew to see family..
I don't see that part as weird. I was fortunate enough to have parents that were able to help support me when I first was out on my own. They paid my rent until I was able to support myself. These kids seem to be trying to make it on their own. I feel so bad for Amy. It sounded like she was working 2 jobs, trying to get another, and trying to find a place to live. At the same time, a friend was stealing her hard earned money and giving her false hope about a place to live.

[jammies]

idol i don't have you on ig, just can't help you out w/ your questions. was lee CHUCKLING (laughing) about smell in car or CHUCKING (puking) over the smell? tia anybody.

AB



Don't know but either way it was inappropriate. When I read that part it almost made me sick.

[Regina.Lampert]

They said the name but they did not identify this particular woman.

Did you view the video of Mr. Morgan explaining this action?

[Snoopy50]

Yep. That suit doesn't have a chance.
IMO the only way she will succeed with this lawsuit, is IF she can prove damages. Did you lose a job, did someone refuse to rent to her, etc etc, and even then, IMO, she would have to justify every penny with proof that her damages were indeed caused by the lies and stories her name was associated with the Anthony's. Personally, I think she just has $$ signs in her eyes, the police cleared her right away, maybe she is another hard-luck story, who knows, but by filing this suit, SHE is the one keeping her name out there. JMO.:read:

[kakax]

Hey, let's stop putting down Casey's acquaintances. They, unlike the princess, had jobs.



I agree with you!! Some had more than one job!! Some were in school trying to make something of themselves. What did Casey do? Nothing.

[Joan Weiss]

I am confused too. I thought she ran out of gas early Am and he didn't pick her up until the afternoon.No, the lady from Amscot said it was there when she arrived, at 7AM.

She must have dropped it off in the very early AM. Casey getting up early? Must have been very important, imo.

[Snoopy50]

Wm. had a job and also worked side jobs.

Thanks Jammies!!!:seeya:

[dtviewer]

First off.....the neighbors didn't hear a big fight on the 15th. Unless it is documented somewhere I don't know about. ONE neighbor told Mark Furhrman he heard arguing at that house on that weekend ---snipped----

Welcome to the board. :seeya:

First off....we dont know that the neighbor DIDNT hear a big fight on the 15th.
Why do you keep posting that the neighbor DID NOT hear a fight on the 15th? Do you have some information we havent heard yet?

It may have been the 15th, the neighbor may have told LE. We do not know at this time.
We DO know that there was a much bigger fight than normal that weekend just from Lee's interview where he states there was a fight and Cindy put her hands around Caseys neck. If that is true then we can also be pretty sure it happened on the 15th and that is what pushed Casey to leave.(if I remember correctly from Lees interview...at work now and cant go back and check)

It certainly doesnt sound like one of the 'usual' fights.........

[SandyO]

That post made me laugh! How true. It's a different world. I'm kinda glad I'm an old geezer. :eek:

That's why I didn't know who FWBs were! Yep, times have sure changed!

[BrownEyedF]

Yep, it was William. Those rides are a bit pricey, how were all these kids finding the $$ to do the things they did? Other than Casey, we know where she got her $$:cuss:

I thought WW said in his interview that he worked as a maintenance contractor. He should have had some income. As for the others with their trips...a lot of them were still in school. When I was in school my parents paid for my plane tickets when I went somewhere, either to visit home or spring break, whatever.

[Cheri_G]

:seeya:Cheri

You are correct on both counts!

The mother, Cindy Anthony, says going back as far as two years, she remembers her daughter, Casey, mentioning a Zenaida Gonzalez as a baby- sitter or nanny, and she says simply that's not the Zenaida. And in fact, the sheriff's department confirmed today they took a photo of that Zenaida Gonzalez, showed it to Casey Anthony in jail, and Casey Anthony responded, I don't know who that is.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,400001,00.html

People have taken such a hard line against this family. I understand why tho I disagree, but it seems many just want to see them all "pay" in some way for what is belieived to have happened, rather than see Caylee found and real justice happen for the actual crime committed.

[bewitched]

:D OK I just went back to the video of Greta interviewing Tone's roomate and she says - you think Casey spent the night of June 15th and he shakes his head yes - he does not verbally answer - just shakes his head yes - then he says he cant remember if she was there in the morning - I do think she did spend the night on the 15th. It hurts me to think of how Caylee died. I really really want to believe it was an accident. I just dont know. Casey is so emotionless. I want to believe that she did not kill Caylee out of anger.....I just dont know Maybe if she had cried to the police...just once..or while she was in jail I might beleive it was an accident.

ACK..this case is really really emotional for me.. I have cried for Caylee so many times....I just cannot understand how Casey can be so cold. I just cannot imagine how a mother can hold her feelings about a missing child...I cannot wrap my brain around it.

There has to be some type of justice for Caylee..there just has to

Dawn

[GrannyB]

No, the lady from Amscot said it was there when she arrived, at 7AM.

She must have dropped it off in the very early AM. Casey getting up early? Must have been very important, imo.

IIRC Tony didn't pick her up til later in the afternoon.

[msjoni]

Stop trying to schmooze Santa, you gots a long way till Christmas and I'm sure you'll be bad before then........... :tongue:

I'm looking forward to seeing the "calendars" LE has on this mess.

Here a page that has a calendar, not sure if this is what you're looking for...

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html

[barskin&co.]

Got to be credit cards, wouldn't you think? One of them, on the same afternoon he returned from the Puerto Rico boondoggle, went off to the mall to buy an iPhone.

I guess if you live with several people and split expenses, you have more cash. But I do believe a lot of these kids had to be up to their necks in credit card debt.

Uh oh. When you make your list for this Christmas, are you going to be running a credit check? In that case, I'm in trouble. Oh wait. I'm Jewish. Never mind.

Who cares if they were in debt? They worked for a living and supported themselves, unlike someone else who never paid a dime for room and board for herself as well as her child, used stolen credit cards and checks for other expenses and embezzled her aged GGF's assisted living funds for her nest egg when she wasn't being an imaginary event planner.
Let's put things in perspective.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Hey, let's stop putting down Casey's acquaintances. They, unlike the princess, had jobs.

Tony only worked Fridays though, right?? At Fusion..."no regular job" or something, didn't he say??

Dunno how you go to school and live on your own working one night either, I actually did find that odd also...

I worked 3 jobs just to put myself through school and have an apartment...eating ramens LOL


:seeya: Barskin


Dunno about the others, but I did wonder about the flights...I've never flown, but I thought that would be pretty expensive...

maybe they're 'trust kids' ??? I dunno...wealthy families? Maybe parents paid the majority of expenses for 'needs' and their money was 'play money'

and it was summer time...

I've seen the videos of kids gone wild or whatever lol

[impartial]

First off....we dont know that the neighbor DIDNT hear a big fight on the 15th.
Why do you keep posting that the neighbor DID NOT hear a fight on the 15th? Do you have some information we havent heard yet?

It may have been the 15th, the neighbor may have told LE. We do not know at this time.
We DO know that there was a much bigger fight than normal that weekend just from Lee's interview where he states there was a fight and Cindy put her hands around Caseys neck. If that is true then we can also be pretty sure it happened on the 15th and that is what pushed Casey to leave.(if I remember correctly from Lees interview...at work now and cant go back and check)

It certainly doesnt sound like one of the 'usual' fights.........

Did Lee say that in his interview? My eyes must have been more crossed than I realized.

I thought that came for Lenny & Co.

:shrug:

IMO

[WinnieLeigh7]

You would and I would but not a person who had been controlled and belittle like Casey was. Cindy didn't care if Casey lied and stole money.
She let her do it. It gave her control and that's what "Cindy is about.
I've seen a family like the Anthony's or I wouldn't believe how much control Cindy has over the whole family. Casey has been damage from birth. She can't make it if Cindy doesn't control her and she can't stand it at the same time.

I see what'cha saying...

like brainwashed...

like...who was that girl that was brainwashed and did those killings?? OMGoodness my mind just went completely blank...


Why would Cindy kill Caylee though?

[Joan Weiss]

As a matter of fact, Casey was given a photographic line up and she said (looking at a picture of the laws suit Zenaida Gonzalez), "that's not her, she didn't take my baby." That, to me, is the strongest evidence that ZG doesn't have a case.I'm not sure about that. Her name is prominent. imo

[GrannyB]

People have taken such a hard line against this family. I understand why tho I disagree, but it seems many just want to see them all "pay" in some way for what is belieived to have happened, rather than see Caylee found and real justice happen for the actual crime committed.

I want nothing less than justice for Caylee. That means the guilty party goes to jail. Actually I would give them the death penalty. t's why I need proof of who did this. We are all just guessing and I happend to be in the minority on my guess. IMO it's why LE has arrested someone for murder. They don't know which one did it.

[Cury-us Coyote]

http://www.local6.com/news/17111283/detail.html

In an interview with Fox News, Casey Anthony's father, George Anthony, said on the day of the theft, Casey did not want him to retrieve a tool from the trunk of her car.

"She was hesitant about letting me get in the car, and I said, 'Well, I've got an extra key, I'll just go get it.' She was adamant about that," George Anthony said.

"She didn't want him to know the gas cans were (in the trunk). She thought she could put them back and leave him a note of apology," Cindy Anthony said.

Cindy Anthony said her husband noticed nothing suspicious when he retrieved the gas cans from the trunk.

"There was no Caylee in the back of the car. There was nothing else in the back of the car except the normal stuff," Cindy Anthony said.

----------------------------
:lol: casey would leave a note of apology?????? ha ha...yeah, cindy!!

ummm...the report we've all heard is that George went to the trunk and got the cans.

but Lee said that casey 'gave' them to George (with not so nice language) :confused:

IMO, it is very strange, the A family relates glowing details and long dissertions of events for which they were not actually present but clam-up on others they are directly involved with. Conversely AH notes this is what I heard or you would be better asking so-and-so who is the true witness of that activity. Can you say credibility?
jmo

[Snoopy50]

I thought WW said in his interview that he worked as a maintenance contractor. He should have had some income. As for the others with their trips...a lot of them were still in school. When I was in school my parents paid for my plane tickets when I went somewhere, either to visit home or spring break, whatever.
Thanks! My parents did not pay for those things for me, I earned everything i wanted, but i know many other parents were very generous.
;)Maybe this is why I have done the opposite with my own children?

[barskin&co.]

:D OK I just went back to the video of Greta interviewing Tone's roomate and she says - you think Casey spent the night of June 15th and he shakes his head yes - he does not verbally answer - just shakes his head yes - then he says he cant remember if she was there in the morning - I do think she did spend the night on the 15th. It hurts me to think of how Caylee died. I really really want to believe it was an accident. I just dont know. Casey is so emotionless. I want to believe that she did not kill Caylee out of anger.....I just dont know Maybe if she had cried to the police...just once..or while she was in jail I might beleive it was an accident.

ACK..this case is really really emotional for me.. I have cried for Caylee so many times....I just cannot understand how Casey can be so cold. I just cannot imagine how a mother can hold her feelings about a missing child...I cannot wrap my brain around it.

There has to be some type of justice for Caylee..there just has to

Dawn

Yes, Dawn. There has to be justice for Caylee. I know how you feel. I refuse to believe that Casey will never be brought to justice for the death of Caylee. I believe LE like Yuri Melich will not give up until that happens.

[threesnugbugs]

changed my mind...i deleted my post

[Cheri_G]

Did you view the video of Mr. Morgan explaining this action?

No it wouldn't open, but I don't think watching it will change my mind. She personally has not been fingered by Casey or the family and that creates a problem for her suit.

Also, Casey has no money and owns nothing that I know of, so suing her gains this woman nothing.

Again, if she has been discriminated against for any reason she should sue the people discriminating. That is her best chance of monetary compesation which is what I assume she is after.

[penguinlady]

This is just something that stuck in my head while reading the last batch of documents. Casey's friends said that she started crying when she saw a guy (Brandon?) at a party they were all at. She said it had something to with a miscarraige that she had??

Could "Brandon" (I think that was the name) be Caylee's daddy?? I think her friends mentioned that she avoided him?

Just a thought and I am sorry if it has been brought up already.

K

[Regina.Lampert]

First off....we dont know that the neighbor DIDNT hear a big fight on the 15th.
Why do you keep posting that the neighbor DID NOT hear a fight on the 15th? Do you have some information we havent heard yet?

It may have been the 15th, the neighbor may have told LE. We do not know at this time.
We DO know that there was a much bigger fight than normal that weekend just from Lee's interview where he states there was a fight and Cindy put her hands around Caseys neck. If that is true then we can also be pretty sure it happened on the 15th and that is what pushed Casey to leave.(if I remember correctly from Lees interview...at work now and cant go back and check)

It certainly doesnt sound like one of the 'usual' fights.........

Mark Fuhrman reported that fight. The fact that we haven't seen the statement about it could mean it is among the material they are going to present to the Grand Jury.

[kakax]

Tony only worked Fridays though, right?? At Fusion..."no regular job" or something, didn't he say??

Dunno how you go to school and live on your own working one night either, I actually did find that odd also...

I worked 3 jobs just to put myself through school and have an apartment...eating ramens LOL


:seeya: Barskin


Dunno about the others, but I did wonder about the flights...I've never flown, but I thought that would be pretty expensive...

maybe their 'trust kids' ??? I dunno...wealthy families? Maybe parents paid the majority of expenses for 'needs' and their money was 'play money'

and it was summer time...

I've seen the videos of kids gone wild or whatever lol



Nothing wrong with parental support through school...some families have the money to support their children through school without that child having to work. There isn't anything sinister about that...maybe it wasn't the way you had to do it, but there isn't anything wrong with it.

If you read the texts, Troy, I believe flew to visit his family before flying down to PR. His family could have helped pay for the flights. Amy throughout her texts messages was talking about saving her money for the trip....novel idea huh? She actually was a planner in terms of her finances.

Why am I having to stick up for these guys? They haven't done a thing wrong.

[Rayosunshine]

I've been in the slow lane for the last couple days [weeks, months.....]. I was reading TonE's deposition. At the end, the interviewer says, "Are you, you had stated before you're willing to allow us to use some investigative leads that I don't necessarily want to talk about on tape." Then he gives TonE $40 for gas money.

Anyone - what's that all about?

[New docs, handwritten page no. 1023]

I understood Tony to say he didn't really have a paying job, earlier in the interview, and that he was a student. Wonder who pays his rent, car, etc.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[WinnieLeigh7]

This is just something that stuck in my head while reading the last batch of documents. Casey's friends said that she started crying when she saw a guy (Brandon?) at a party they were all at. She said it had something to with a miscarraige that she had??

Could "Brandon" (I think that was the name) be Caylee's daddy?? I think her friends mentioned that she avoided him?

Just a thought and I am sorry if it has been brought up already.

K


or a brown haired guy that drives a lil' pick up :confused:

[hamebone]

I agree with you!! Some had more than one job!! Some were in school trying to make something of themselves. What did Casey do? Nothing.

I agree, she was to lazy to do the right thing.

My son is a full time college student and works a full time job and has his own home...He gets out of classes 4 30 off to work by 6 30 and doesnt get home til after 1 am...his girlfriend is in her first year of college and also has a full time job..Casey couldnt even manage to get a GED and go to school or at the very least get a JOB...she couldnt of care for Caylee ..if she had she would of made a life for her...you do what you have to do and work hard for your dreams...BUT not her...she did just like you said , she stole others hard earned money...

[Regina.Lampert]

No it wouldn't open, but I don't think watching it will change my mind. She personally has not been fingered by Casey or the family and that creates a problem for her suit.

Also, Casey has no money and owns nothing that I know of, so suing her gains this woman nothing.

Again, if she has been discriminated against for any reason she should sue the people discriminating. That is her best chance of monetary compesation which is what I assume she is after.


Thanks, no use discussing it further then.

[GrannyB]

I see what'cha saying...

like brainwashed...

like...who was that girl that was brainwashed and did those killings?? OMGoodness my mind just went completely blank...


Why would Cindy kill Caylee though?

I think it was a accident with the pool. Someone like Cindy would never admit she made a mistake. If it had been Casey she would go running to her mother to fix it. Cindy would never let anyone outside the family know she let something like that happen. Cindy is about Cindy.
I don't believe she is the one with the serious mental problems. Cindy is the one who told us her and Caylee went swimming and said Casey didn't. She's the one who made a big deal of moving things in the backyard so Caylee couldn't get in the pool. A little truth in all her lies.

[StickyBeak]

Jesse G. audio released

http://www.wftv.com/video/17556845/index.htm

[kakax]

Hey, guys! :seeya:

I'm not putting anyone down, nor am I accusing anyone of anything.

I just made an observation about what I see as a certain level of chaos in the lives of these kids. Just my opinion. Didn't mean to put anyone on the defensive.

I understand...I just hate to see quotes like its odd that they were able to fly places..they didn't have to work while they went to school like it is something bad.

I just wanted to make sure we place all the odd and sinister things in the Casey direction.

[Joan Weiss]

Anyone ever think that she 'ran over' Caylee??

Awful, awful thought, I know...

But with all the 'hit something, ran over, squirrel allegations" :confused:


There was a case here in my state, Anderson County I believe...that the bf did that to his gf...
I think it's a TES case too...

and I'm wanting to say he burnt her after that (not sure, I could be confusing stories)...
but gas cans...

:confused: I just don't know anymore.

I know Caylee's gone
I know Casey should pay...

As to everything else :shrug:No, the dogs hit on the passenger side of the trunk.

[Cheri_G]

I want nothing less than justice for Caylee. That means the guilty party goes to jail. Actually I would give them the death penalty. t's why I need proof of who did this. We are all just guessing and I happend to be in the minority on my guess. IMO it's why LE has arrested someone for murder. They don't know which one did it.

If it is proven that Casey deliberately killed Caylee then I think she should face the death penalty.

I don't however, think the evidence is supporting that at this point. At best I think we may get LWOP, and that is assuming they can get or have evidence that says this is more than a cover up of an accident.

[Snoopy50]

Mark Fuhrman reported that fight. The fact that we haven't seen the statement about it could mean it is among the material they are going to present to the Grand Jury.
Do we know for certain there is a GJ involved? It wouldn't surprise me, and I would be delighted if they did convene one!

[Cury-us Coyote]

:D OK I just went back to the video of Greta interviewing Tone's roomate and she says - you think Casey spent the night of June 15th and he shakes his head yes - he does not verbally answer - just shakes his head yes - then he says he cant remember if she was there in the morning - I do think she did spend the night on the 15th. It hurts me to think of how Caylee died. I really really want to believe it was an accident. I just dont know. Casey is so emotionless. I want to believe that she did not kill Caylee out of anger.....I just dont know Maybe if she had cried to the police...just once..or while she was in jail I might beleive it was an accident.

ACK..this case is really really emotional for me.. I have cried for Caylee so many times....I just cannot understand how Casey can be so cold. I just cannot imagine how a mother can hold her feelings about a missing child...I cannot wrap my brain around it.

There has to be some type of justice for Caylee..there just has to

Dawn

Reported Casey showed emotion regarding the Brandon encounter. What do you make of that? TIA

[kakax]

Jesse G. audio released

http://www.wftv.com/video/17556845/index.htm



Oops, for some reason that link won't work...at least for me!

[GrannyB]

If it is proven that Casey deliberately killed Caylee then I think she should face the death penalty.

I don't however, think the evidence is supporting that at this point. At best I think we may get LWOP, and that is assuming they can get or have evidence that says this is more than a cover up of an accident.


I think they have the evidence. I think they just don't know the who?

[SavannahStar]

IMO the only way she will succeed with this lawsuit, is IF she can prove damages. Did you lose a job, did someone refuse to rent to her, etc etc, and even then, IMO, she would have to justify every penny with proof that her damages were indeed caused by the lies and stories her name was associated with the Anthony's. Personally, I think she just has $$ signs in her eyes, the police cleared her right away, maybe she is another hard-luck story, who knows, but by filing this suit, SHE is the one keeping her name out there. JMO.:read:


I think she has dollar signs in her eyes too. "Making money off this poor baby"......but hey if the Anthonys can do it, I guess she can. :shrug:

That aside....truthfully this case will go nowhere. Impartial posted a great response about it, as well as cheri. The people who have wronged her are not the Anthonys, it is the people who fired her or whatever else it is she is complaining about.

[jbellaj]

Gotta go family emergency....Everyone stay safe.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Nothing wrong with parental support through school...some families have the money to support their children through school without that child having to work. There isn't anything sinister about that...maybe it wasn't the way you had to do it, but there isn't anything wrong with it.

If you read the texts, Troy, I believe flew to visit his family before flying down to PR. His family could have helped pay for the flights. Amy throughout her texts messages was talking about saving her money for the trip....novel idea huh? She actually was a planner in terms of her finances.

Why am I having to stick up for these guys? They haven't done a thing wrong.

I didn't mean it as if it was something wrong with it.

You're right, it wasn't the way I had to do it...

but so long as it's in my means...it will be the way my kids have it.

so long as they are doing what they are suppose to be doing (which at that time is going to school, making good grades and trying to become a better person)...
and so long as I am capable of providing for them, I will!

I didn't mean it to sound as if I thought that was "wrong", I was kinda talking out loud to myself, at first comparing to me...how I couldn't see it...
but then realizing that if they were kids which parents helped out...then I could see it...

and also stating it was summer...
I think Tony and roommate obviously went to classes still...but alot of kids take the summers off and "live it up" it's the "college life"...enjoy it while it last...
that type thing.

[Joan Weiss]

I got the impression that the lives of some of these youngsters (:tongue:) are quite chaotic, by my standards (and even by my standards when I was their age so many moons ago). People changing addresses all the time. People flopping on on one anothers' couches and floors. People with multiple roommates. People constantly calling each other and texting each other and hanging out. People with work and school schedules all over the map. People without much money flying to Boston and D.C. and New York and Puerto Rico.

I dunno. :shrug: I apparently lived one very boring life in my early 20's.How do you know they don't have much money? You know where they work and stuff? Please share. :confused:

JP Chatt has a wealthy family, Ricardo has a job, Amy has jobs, Tony has a business AND he's in college...

[5boxersmom]

Hey, guys! :seeya:

I'm not putting anyone down, nor am I accusing anyone of anything.

I just made an observation about what I see as a certain level of chaos in the lives of these kids. Just my opinion. Didn't mean to put anyone on the defensive.

I wasn't putting anyone down either. I just noticed all the money being spent. This may have made Casey jealous.

I also think it is very sad that Caylee was in the middle of this chaos at times.

I am beginning to wonder if Cindy ever watched her. After hearing Jesse's dad saying they had her alot her first year of life, the other girl that said she babysitted. Then she was at all of these other places with Casey.

How could Cindy not ask who was watching her? Just seems so strange.

jmo

Caylee:rose:

[GrannyB]

Sheesh! I hope I put things in perspective upthread a bit.

I didn't realize discussing the FOC's (Friends of Casey) was entirely off limits.

The FOC'S lifestyle could end up ruining their lives. Going to school and working is great. They are playing with fire with the parties and drinking. Accidents happen and all they are trying to achieve could be lost. Society today needs better standards.

[Cheri_G]

Thanks, no use discussing it further then.

No problem. I'm just glad that I am not so easily infuenced by a job title.

[kakax]

Winnie, point taken :seeya: Didn't mean to start a huge issue over it!! Just hate these kids are having to justify themselves when they were just innocent parties to the chaos Casey created.

[SavannahStar]

First off....we dont know that the neighbor DIDNT hear a big fight on the 15th.
Why do you keep posting that the neighbor DID NOT hear a fight on the 15th? Do you have some information we havent heard yet?

It may have been the 15th, the neighbor may have told LE. We do not know at this time.
We DO know that there was a much bigger fight than normal that weekend just from Lee's interview where he states there was a fight and Cindy put her hands around Caseys neck. If that is true then we can also be pretty sure it happened on the 15th and that is what pushed Casey to leave.(if I remember correctly from Lees interview...at work now and cant go back and check)

It certainly doesnt sound like one of the 'usual' fights.........

I keep posting about it simply because others post about it like it's fact, and it is NOT, as far as we know. Just like the BK that Cindy supposedly filed in April of this year, which I did check and it is FACT she did not.

Yes, they "may have" had a big fight on the 15th. Well we won't let facts stand in the way of theories though. I get it. Okay. Not a problem.

[Regina.Lampert]

Here a page that has a calendar, not sure if this is what you're looking for...

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html

This wouldn't work for me, but I was referring to the actual calendars the detectives were compiling when interviewing all the witnesses. Thanks anyway tho.

[day2day]

Oops, for some reason that link won't work...at least for me!

http://www.wftv.com/video/17556845/index.html

[BrownEyedF]

Speculation here: In June after Casey first took off with Caylee she didn't have anywhere to go during the day while her friends were at work. I recall she had a friend who lived across the street from the Sawgrass Apartments. Maybe she dropped by on him, he wasn't home or whatever. So she just sits in the car, wasting time. She couldn't afford to go cruise around if she didn't have money for gas. Z drives up, parks and goes inside the complex. She could possibly have gone into Z's car looking for something of value (she didn't even have gas money since she apparently stole the gas cans a few days later) and found her name etc. The only thing that doesn't line up here for me is the fact that she used the name Zanny prior to that.

I don't believe anything Cindy says. She could tell me that she heard the name a million times and ditto the rest of the family. However, I do believe the Grunds when they say that they heard it.

As far as Jesse resigning from the police and the other guy who was fired....someone raised the possiblity that one of them did an unauthorized search of Z's info or something on the police database. I hadn't thought of that until I read it here, but maybe there is something to that. It makes sense.

I thought it strange that Casey saved a lot of receipts that were for things that she paid cash for. Maybe she was stealing from stores and returning them. That could be why there were not a lot of CC receipts.

Also I have seen the number 45K thrown around a lot in regards to either the money stolen from the GGPs or CA and GA. Where exactly did that number come from? Anyone? Was this just from the stuff that "rick" talked about when he was posting to the boards or is there any proof of that? I don't doubt it, I just wonder if there is any other evidence of the amount.

I want to know what was in that text message on 07/03 to Casey that got her moving out of that bar in a hurry. Cindy probably used Lee to try to find her on that day after making the Facebook posting about her angel being taken from her.

I need to go back and read the initial document dump and try to make more sense of this!

Thanks to everyone for your posts. They get my mind going in different directions.

[SavannahStar]

People have taken such a hard line against this family. I understand why tho I disagree, but it seems many just want to see them all "pay" in some way for what is belieived to have happened, rather than see Caylee found and real justice happen for the actual crime committed.


Another terrific post. :beer:

[desmom]

This is just something that stuck in my head while reading the last batch of documents. Casey's friends said that she started crying when she saw a guy (Brandon?) at a party they were all at. She said it had something to with a miscarraige that she had??

Could "Brandon" (I think that was the name) be Caylee's daddy?? I think her friends mentioned that she avoided him?

Just a thought and I am sorry if it has been brought up already.

K

Wasn't one of the "who's the father" stories Casey told people a guy named Brandon, a friend of Lee's that was visiting at Thanksgiving time?

[Joan Weiss]

Yeah I thought that about the money too. Didn't someone in their interview with LE say they going to take a Helicopter ride? :confused:

Caylee:rose:Most young single people I know spend money as fast as they make it. They have credit cards...

I don't see anything sinister about it at all. Casey is the one who needs investigating. imo

[msjoni]

Oops, for some reason that link won't work...at least for me!

Try this link...

http://www.wftv.com/news/index.html

[barskin&co.]

I understood Tony to say he didn't really have a paying job, earlier in the interview, and that he was a student. Wonder who pays his rent, car, etc.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

He was a full-time student. Maybe his parents did? Who cares?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Did Lee say that in his interview? My eyes must have been more crossed than I realized.

I thought that came for Lenny & Co.

:shrug:

IMO

IIRC an unknown neighbor source conveyed via Mark Fuhrman.
jmo

[Cheri_G]

I think they have the evidence. I think they just don't know the who?

I believe, and I think they do too, that Caylee is no longer with us. The how, why and (possibly) who are yet to be determined.

[kakax]

http://www.wftv.com/video/17556845/index.html

Thank you!

[~jomomma~]

well that must have been some pretty whacky weed to get her to commit murder. how come it didn't just mellow her out like the rest of the planet? Cindy should have been smokin a little herself, calm herself down or something.
and i really am curious where she spent all the stolen money, especially since she had no cash for gas and was grocery shopping out of her moms kitchen? wth was she actually buying??

AB

yeah, geez! i hope people don't start speculating that the pot made her do it!!!

let's not give weed a bad name now! :D

[dtviewer]

Did Lee say that in his interview? My eyes must have been more crossed than I realized.

I thought that came for Lenny & Co.

:shrug:

IMO


I dont think it came from Lenny, but cant remember off hand who.
Maybe it was Amy or Tone interview. I'll check tonight and see if I can find it.

[day2day]

Winnie, point taken :seeya: Didn't mean to start a huge issue over it!! Just hate these kids are having to justify themselves when they were just innocent parties to the chaos Casey created.

The truth is..Casey has harmed many people ....do you think she feels bad?! nope -not one bit!!

jmo

[barskin&co.]

yeah, geez! i hope people don't start speculating the the pot made her do it!!!

let's not give weed a bad name now! :D

I heard that.

[?noanswer]

http://www.wftv.com/video/17556845/index.html


Jessie G. audio

[Joan Weiss]

Well Amy did say she was smoking pot more then she used to. So being drugged up can work for me too.Pot doesn't generate rage. Methamphetamines do. I'd say Cindy created rage. imo

[dtviewer]

Mark Fuhrman reported that fight. The fact that we haven't seen the statement about it could mean it is among the material they are going to present to the Grand Jury.

That is my point exactly.
Just because we havent seen a statement doesnt mean it didnt happen.

[EGirl]

yeah, geez! i hope people don't start speculating that the pot made her do it!!!

let's not give weed a bad name now! :D



LOL I might buy it if I found out she 'traded' her for Cheetos :cool:

[SavannahStar]

Cindy's brother Rick verified the fight on the 15th of June while posting on Topix.com.

The fight did indeed happen on the 15th of June.

The neighbor talked to Mark Fuhrman and discussed "arguing over the weekend."

Was Rick there that night? July 15th?

[barskin&co.]

Winnie, point taken :seeya: Didn't mean to start a huge issue over it!! Just hate these kids are having to justify themselves when they were just innocent parties to the chaos Casey created.

Exactly my point as well. Imagine if you happened to know someone who turned out to be a criminal, then suddenly total strangers started disecting your life on message boards, just because you were an innocent bystander in the story of a crime.

[need2no]

Speaking of money and jobs....
gotta say I found the following part interesting. Also reading between the lines it's clear to me from AL's interview he has shared some 'stuff' LE has agreed to keep off the record (at least the public record for now), or he admitted to some 'stuff' after being confronted with it by LE. Naturally LE could overlook some 'stuff' to get the cooperation of Casey's boyfriend.


EE: Do you have a job that you….

AL: Uh, not an actual job. I do manage uh, nights at Fusion on Friday nights. At Fusion Ultra Lounge. Uhm, and I was getting uh, transportation to there uhm, through my friend Clint House.

EE: Clint House who is your business partner?

AL: Who is my business partner, yes.

Business partner in what business?

[bewitched]

Reported Casey showed emotion regarding the Brandon encounter. What do you make of that? TIA


Could you please tell me who Brandon is and what emotion Casey showed. I have not heard of him. Thanks :)

I also just wanted to say that since I am new here - I resepect everyones opinions and their rights to them. I am always open to everyones opinions and their theories of what happened. For me I need to talk about it - I want Caylee to be alive so bad...period..I just dont think she is...there's too much that says she isn't

Thanks
Dawn

[kakax]

The truth is..Casey has harmed many people ....do you think she feels bad?! nope -not one bit!!

jmo



Nope...not at all. :(

[margaritaville]

Tony only worked Fridays though, right?? At Fusion..."no regular job" or something, didn't he say??

Dunno how you go to school and live on your own working one night either, I actually did find that odd also...

I worked 3 jobs just to put myself through school and have an apartment...eating ramens LOL


:seeya: Barskin

l


I would bet his parents are paying for his schooling and room and board.
He also could be on a scholarship?! We have no idea...But I do not find it that odd that he has money and is going to school. Rich family's can afford it!
Or another theory,maybe he sells pot! :shrug:

All we know is that no one has came forward that he stole their checkbook and cleaned out their bank account..

MOO

[dtviewer]

I think she has dollar signs in her eyes too. "Making money off this poor baby"......but hey if the Anthonys can do it, I guess she can. :shrug:

That aside....truthfully this case will go nowhere. Impartial posted a great response about it, as well as cheri. The people who have wronged her are not the Anthonys, it is the people who fired her or whatever else it is she is complaining about.


Blah. You are so right. Just someone else seeing what they think is an easy way to cash in.
Luckily it will be laughed out of court.....

[GrannyB]

Speculation here: In June after Casey first took off with Caylee she didn't have anywhere to go during the day while her friends were at work. I recall she had a friend who lived across the street from the Sawgrass Apartments. Maybe she dropped by on him, he wasn't home or whatever. So she just sits in the car, wasting time. She couldn't afford to go cruise around if she didn't have money for gas. Z drives up, parks and goes inside the complex. She could possibly have gone into Z's car looking for something of value (she didn't even have gas money since she apparently stole the gas cans a few days later) and found her name etc. The only thing that doesn't line up here for me is the fact that she used the name Zanny prior to that.

I don't believe anything Cindy says. She could tell me that she heard the name a million times and ditto the rest of the family. However, I do believe the Grunds when they say that they heard it.

As far as Jesse resigning from the police and the other guy who was fired....someone raised the possiblity that one of them did an unauthorized search of Z's info or something on the police database. I hadn't thought of that until I read it here, but maybe there is something to that. It makes sense.

I thought it strange that Casey saved a lot of receipts that were for things that she paid cash for. Maybe she was stealing from stores and returning them. That could be why there were not a lot of CC receipts.

Also I have seen the number 45K thrown around a lot in regards to either the money stolen from the GGPs or CA and GA. Where exactly did that number come from? Anyone? Was this just from the stuff that "rick" talked about when he was posting to the boards or is there any proof of that? I don't doubt it, I just wonder if there is any other evidence of the amount.

I want to know what was in that text message on 07/03 to Casey that got her moving out of that bar in a hurry. Cindy probably used Lee to try to find her on that day after making the Facebook posting about her angel being taken from her.

I need to go back and read the initial document dump and try to make more sense of this!

Thanks to everyone for your posts. They get my mind going in different directions.

At the beginning of all this I think I remember Lee saying he hadn't seen Casey or maybe the whole family in about a year. That text message made me wonder in light of his statement.

[Joan Weiss]

Hey, let's stop putting down Casey's acquaintances. They, unlike the princess, had jobs.Exactly. Ricardo said he didn't examine his charge bills that closely, if he didn't see anything exorbitant, he just paid them. Sound to me that he used them for lots of things. He works. imo

[MyrDawn]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17550744/detail.html

"The Orange County Sheriff's Department released audio taped interviews from three men important in Casey Anthony's life on Thursday.
In the tapes, Tony Lazarro will be heard from for the first time."

Also, Lee Anthony, & Jesse Grund.

From what I can tell, all three interviews are available there.

[penguinlady]

Wasn't one of the "who's the father" stories Casey told people a guy named Brandon, a friend of Lee's that was visiting at Thanksgiving time?

Intresting...I don't recall that. There seems to have been so many guys.... :o


K

[WinnieLeigh7]

No, the dogs hit on the passenger side of the trunk.

For decomp'

But if she ran over her...there wouldn't actually be 'decomp' the gases that those dogs are trained too...right?

Not for that split moment that she was hit or whatever...

[GrannyB]

Could you please tell me who Brandon is and what emotion Casey showed. I have not heard of him. Thanks :)

I also just wanted to say that since I am new here - I resepect everyones opinions and their rights to them. I am always open to everyones opinions and their theories of what happened. For me I need to talk about it - I want Caylee to be alive so bad...period..I just dont think she is...there's too much that says she isn't

Thanks
Dawn
I want her to be alive also and I don't think she is. On the other hand this whole mess is so strange nothing would surprise me.

[Rebel Rouzer]

He was a full-time student. Maybe his parents did? Who cares?

Some students qualify for grants to pay for living expenses. I'm with you. Who cares how his bills are paid? Parents or grants or a trust his family members set up for him etc. This has nothing to do with the case of missing Caylee.

Are we going to now have everyone that ever came in contact with Casey have their income and finances come into question?

Sorry i just don't see the relevence. IMO

EDIT. I was using "we" as a general term not aimed at you. Sorry for not being clear.

[Joan Weiss]

At the beginning of all this I think I remember Lee saying he hadn't seen Casey or maybe the whole family in about a year. That text message made me wonder in light of his statement.Looks like he was lying, imo. Didn't he also say he helped Casey post her photos on myspace? Wouldn't she have to physically hand them to him? :confused:

[day2day]

Nope...not at all. :(

She is busy on facebook -joining ptsd groups and posting pics of her new haircut...unfreakinbelievable...
hammer jmo

[GrannyB]

The neighbor talked to Mark Fuhrman and discussed "arguing over the weekend."

Was Rick there that night? July 15th?

That's what I recall also. Though I think Rick said his info came from his mother.

[Rayosunshine]

From what we seen Cindy had no problem telling Casey what a lousy mother she was. Not sayig I believe it either, her friends tell a totally different story. I can see Casey after being caught and we know Cindy was probably screaming about everything she'd ever gone wrong
Casey telling her fine I'm leaving and since you are such a great mother you can raise Caylee. I do not believe Cindy would have let her leave with Caylee. It would explain why all Caylee's belonging were still at the home. Casey finally stood up to Cindy and Cindy let her go because she had no doubt Casey would be back. Explains Casey at all the clubs and not acting like Caylee was missing. As far as Casey was concerned Caylee was fine with her mother. She did say she left her with someone she trusted. Explains why she said to her mother at the time of 911 "why would they want to talk to me". She didn't have a clue what had happened to Caylee. Also explain her words to Cindy,
you know the extent of my involvment in this. At that point she was following Cindy's script. Explains her no emotions now, which Jesse said was not like her. She finally stood up to her controlling mother and she lost her child. This makes more sense to me than Casey got mad and killed Caylee for revenge. Doesn't fit with anything her friends have said about the way she treated Caylee. I just can't shake this idea try as I might.

Agree with you GrannyB. Cindy took a chance and Caylee may have lost big-time.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[GrannyB]

I'm really hoping that when we finally see Cindy's recorded interviews, we'll see some answers -- or at least be able to read between the lines and arrive at some of our own answers.

And ITA about the chaotic lifestyle as it pertains to the baby. Not a good situation for her at all. Structure is important.

I think we have heard Casey's interview. She lawyered up and no more interviews.

[Snoopy50]

Same with me, Snoopy. I had no help. Flying anywhere was a big deal back when I was in my 20's. Things have changed. And to your point, some parents were more generous and/or had it to offer.
Mine had it to offer, but they were kids of the Depression and frugal was their middle name. They believed in hard work, saving for that rainy day, etc etc. I found nothing wrong with that, their values were great. They were, however VERY generous grandparents.....go figure.IMO the Anthony's had few values, Casey seems to emulate her mother, and I do not think she had much of an up-bringing. I also believe Cindy was an abuser, if not physically, emotionally. Casey is damaged goods, and evil. People usually are not born that way.:chicken:

[Joan Weiss]

For decomp'

But if she ran over her...there wouldn't actually be 'decomp' the gases that those dogs are trained too...right?

Not for that split moment that she was hit or whatever...I haven't seen any evidence of that, whatsoever. imo

[warrkat]

Oh my lord. I'm so done with this subject! :chicken:

LOL. When we first started this case, I mentioned that I thought that I had heard that George was Casey's stepfather. I didn't mean anything by it one way or the other, just a "fact" which turned out not to be true. For about FIVE PAGES, turned out not to be true. Sincerely wished I had not said anything at all, but I think a lot of it is that this board moves so fast that 10 people will comment before they realize that someone else already has posted a correction.

[dtviewer]

I keep posting about it simply because others post about it like it's fact, and it is NOT, as far as we know. Just like the BK that Cindy supposedly filed in April of this year, which I did check and it is FACT she did not.

Yes, they "may have" had a big fight on the 15th. Well we won't let facts stand in the way of theories though. I get it. Okay. Not a problem.

I agree 100% that these theories shouldnt be taken as fact.
But you are making a claim as 'fact' yourself when you post that "the neighbor did not hear a fight on the 15th".

We dont know at this point if it was the 15th or not.

That was my point.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Jesse G. audio released

http://www.wftv.com/video/17556845/index.htm

Listening and awaiting the burps & yawns.

[margaritaville]

For decomp'

But if she ran over her...there wouldn't actually be 'decomp' the gases that those dogs are trained too...right?

Not for that split moment that she was hit or whatever...


If she ran her over after she was decomposing... But why would it be inside the trunk?

[sukapi]

I see what'cha saying...

like brainwashed...

like...who was that girl that was brainwashed and did those killings?? OMGoodness my mind just went completely blank...


Why would Cindy kill Caylee though?


Are you thinking of Patricia Herst (I think that was her name) heir to a big fortune

[barskin&co.]

Some students qualify for grants to pay for living expenses. I'm with you. Who cares how his bills are paid? Parents or grants or a trust his family members set up for him etc. This has nothing to do with the case of missing Caylee.

Are we going to now have everyone that ever came in contact with Casey have their income and finances come into question?

Sorry i just don't see the relevence. IMO

And that, my friends, ends this episode of "Lifestyles of the Not Very Rich and Famous Only For Having the Bad Luck to Know Casey Anthony." Until next time, here's leaving you with jello shot wishes and buffalo wing dreams.

[SavannahStar]

July 15th? Are you talking about a different fight?

Regardless... the fight happened on the 15th of June.

The fight was about the money that Casey stole from her grandparent's account.

Rick is Casey's grandparent's son. He was told about the fight by his mother.

Rick explained all this while posting at Topix.com.

Sorry you missed it.

The fight happened on the 15th of June. Period.

Of course I meant June 15.

Oh his mother told him about the fight.

Was his mother at the house on June 15?

I can see this guy in court now. "Well I heard from my mother (who wasn't there, but she 'heard', that there was a huge fight on the night of June 15."

Okay that it, case closed. We now know what happened to Caylee Anthony.

YOU don't know any more than I do when and if this fight occurred.

[impartial]

Pot doesn't generate rage. Methamphetamines do. I'd say Cindy created rage. imo

I have wondered about meth ... Jesse and Richard Grund indicate the Casey they have seen on TV since her arrest is not recognizable as the Casey they know.

IMO

[st777jo]

I would bet his parents are paying for his schooling and room and board.
He also could be on a scholarship?! We have no idea...But I do not find it that odd that he has money and is going to school. Rich family's can afford it!
Or another theory,maybe he sells pot! :shrug:

All we know is that no one has came forward that he stole their checkbook and cleaned out their bank account..

MOO

I thought Amy said something about Tony and pot??? IIRC

[Snoopy50]

Pot doesn't generate rage. Methamphetamines do. I'd say Cindy created rage. imo she gets my hackles up.:shrug:

[Regina.Lampert]

People have taken such a hard line against this family. I understand why tho I disagree, but it seems many just want to see them all "pay" in some way for what is belieived to have happened, rather than see Caylee found and real justice happen for the actual crime committed.

Give me a link to all these people who "just want to see them all "pay" in some way for what is belieived to have happened, rather than see Caylee found and real justice happen for the actual crime committed."

I have seen no one post anything like that on this board. Most of us want justice for Caylee Anthony. Period.

[GrannyB]

Looks like he was lying, imo. Didn't he also say he helped Casey post her photos on myspace? Wouldn't she have to physically hand them to him? :confused:

I suppose he could have told her how. They all lie. Maybe we should all sue the whole family for our headaches and anguish over their grandchild who they don't seem interested in finding.

[Rebel Rouzer]

LOL I might buy it if I found out she 'traded' her for Cheetos :cool:

LOL @ you and jomomma. I just said the same thing to S/O lastnight or night before when Nancy Grace was making a big deal out of smoking pot heavily pertaining to Casey.

[day2day]

she gets my hackles up.:shrug:

And you have never seen or been around meth! I know exactly what you mean!! :seeya:

In Jesse's interview he say Casey had some issues she hadn't dealt with. I wanna know just what these issues are!!

jmo

[kakax]

Listening and awaiting the burps & yawns.

ROFL...they aren't too far into the audio tape! I was awaiting them too

[SavannahStar]

I agree 100% that these theories shouldnt be taken as fact.
But you are making a claim as 'fact' yourself when you post that "the neighbor did not hear a fight on the 15th".

We dont know at this point if it was the 15th or not.

That was my point.

I'm sorry, what I should have said was "the neighbor did not tell Mark Fuhrman that he heard a fight on the 15th; he only told Mark Fuhrman he heard 'arguing that weekend.'"

Yes, the fight could have been on the 15th. Absolutely. We just don't know that for fact, it has ONLY been stated as the 15th (according to some) by "Rick." Who was not in the house at the time.

I'm playing devil's advocate. I'm not putting too much importance on this fight anyway, as my theory is not at all the same as most others on here. As the neighbor did tell Mark Fuhrman, arguing coming from that house was not in the least unusual.

[trich]

Mark Fuhrman reported that fight. The fact that we haven't seen the statement about it could mean it is among the material they are going to present to the Grand Jury.

The evening of 15th is supposedly when Cindy and Casey had the fight because Cindy had found out about the money being taken from Great Grandfather's account when Cindy and Caylee and her mom visited the nursing home and then back to the Greatgrandmother's house where they ate.
...didn't Tony say Casey was at his place on the 15th ..well that had to have been during the day ..not the night of the 15th or Cindy and her could not have had the fight and Cindy could not have had her hands around her throat.

[dvsone]

:) Hi all - I have been reading the boards everyday and have decided to jump right in

I truly believe that Caylee was murdered on the evening of June 15th and put her in Casey's trunk until about June 27th when she put her in the dumpster. I believe this is what happened. Cindy took Caylee to see her Great Grandpa at the nursing home on Sunday June 15th - this is a documented fact - the video - and discovered Casey had stolen the money. Cindy and Caylee come home and Cindy confronts Casey and that is the Big fight the neighbors heard. Casey takes Caylee and out the door they go. I believe this is when Caylee was murdered. Period.
Tone's roomate told Greta that Casey spent the night on Sunday June 15th without Caylee - OK - there is no way George saw Caylee on the June 16th - Casey was at Tone's apartment without Caylee

This case breaks my heart so much - sweet sweet baby Caylee

OK - please tell me your thoughts

Dawn

Tidy scenario... I like it.

Too bad Casey has sociopathic tendancies and wont allow us to close it up so neatly.

welcome aboard

[WinnieLeigh7]

Winnie, point taken Didn't mean to start a huge issue over it!! Just hate these kids are having to justify themselves when they were just innocent parties to the chaos Casey created.

I think it's an subconscious "birds of a feather..." thought.

But I don't think anything badly of any of these kids, even if they partied...and smoked weed, or whatever...
wasn't my personal choice, but I did go to college, I'm very aware that these things happen...
you forever hear people talk about the "good ol' college days" and like I said, it was summer.


I can't believe I'm calling 'em kids OMGosh... LOL
I AM getting old. hahahaha


I hold one person, and only one responsible for Caylee, and that's Casey, whether it be by her hands or just her knowledge, she as the MOTHER, is responsible for the well being of Caylee and she failed in her obligation.
hammer <~~that looks like a hammer, I know, but it's a gavel--Winnie Court saids GUILTY!
Cindy hammer Guilty of cover up

Will have to recess and come back for George and Lee...

[SavannahStar]

I think Casey and her friends were all doing meth. They have "that look".

imo

:eek: I couldn't disagree more.

[GrannyB]

And you have never seen or been around meth! I know exactly what you mean!! :seeya:

In Jesse's interview he say Casey had some issues she hadn't dealt with. I wanna know just what these issues are!!

jmo

Her mother maybe?:shrug:

[kakax]

I think Casey and her friends were all doing meth. They have "that look".

imo

Here we go again....:rolleyes:

[EGirl]

LOL @ you and jomomma. I just said the same thing to S/O lastnight or night before when Nancy Grace was making a big deal out of smoking pot heavily pertaining to Casey.

It is kinda ridiculous! lol A bit O/T but I heard a story on the news this morning about a guy in the Netherlands (I think) that was arrested in a SMOKING bar because he was smoking tobacco and not marijuana.

:lol:

[day2day]

NEW THREAD HERE!
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12184098#post12184098

I hope I did this right!!

[GrannyB]

You can't sue the family. You have no damages and no standing.

imo


And you took that seriously? I have a son who is a lawyer. Think I'll let him tell me who I can and can't sue. :seeya:

[Snoopy50]

Are you thinking of Patricia Herst (I think that was her name) heir to a big fortune Patricia Hearst was convicted of bank robbery after she was kidnapped by the SLA. She never killed anyone.
Her sentence was later commuted by then President Ford, an excellent decision. I was appalled that she was even charged!:cuss: Sorry O/T

[barskin&co.]

Are you thinking of Patricia Herst (I think that was her name) heir to a big fortune

Patty Hearst was kidnapped, held inside a closet for months, raped...then convinced that she was part of a massive revolutionary group (which actually consisted of about 10 misguided, to say the least, people). However, she did not kill anyone, nor did she take part in killings. She was a part of a few armed robberies, no shooting.

[GrannyB]

Not Casey's. Cindy's. :)

LOL Sorry, too many c's. I bet we don't hear Cindy's til trial.

[Rebel Rouzer]

i haven't seen any that seem to use it to it's extreme. Not to excuse them, but the face and teeth are the first to show extensive usage of this particular drug. Alot of acne.
I don't see any of them with "The Look" of using meth. If they have it's not evident by their pictures that I have seen.

[impartial]

NEW THREAD HERE!
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12184098#post12184098

I hope I did this right!!


Broderick will let you know if you didn't. ;)


IMO

[barskin&co.]

Patricia Hearst was convicted of bank robbery after she was kidnapped by the SLA. She never killed anyone.
Her sentence was later commuted by then President Ford, an excellent decision. I was appalled that she was even charged!:cuss: Sorry O/T

Presiden Carter.

[warrkat]

Are you thinking of Patricia Herst (I think that was her name) heir to a big fortune

Patricia's defense was that she had been brainwashed, but she was convicted of bank robbery. She never was charged with killing anyone.

[Joan Weiss]

The FOC'S lifestyle could end up ruining their lives. Going to school and working is great. They are playing with fire with the parties and drinking. Accidents happen and all they are trying to achieve could be lost. Society today needs better standards.That's true, but we don't know how these young people party. We only know how Casey parties. I didn't see anyone else hanging over the toilet, did you?

Young people have been partying for years. I doubt it's going to stop now. Here's a link that explains Casey's behavior. It seems she's part of a new "point of pride." Never let it be said that Casey isn't on the cutting edge. imo

TOTALLY WASTED, AND PROUD OF IT:


http://www.glamour.com/health-fitness/2008/08/totally-wasted-and-proud

[desmom]

I would bet his parents are paying for his schooling and room and board.
He also could be on a scholarship?! We have no idea...But I do not find it that odd that he has money and is going to school. Rich family's can afford it!
Or another theory,maybe he sells pot! :shrug:

All we know is that no one has came forward that he stole their checkbook and cleaned out their bank account..

MOO

Scholarships, Grants, Student Loans. I am absolutely amazed at the amount our son is offered through loans every year. He could actually quit his job, draw a monthly stipend and make more than he makes working part-time.

IMO, AL is another victim of Casey's. From what I have read about Full Sail, it sounds like a pretty intense class schedule. This has to be a very difficult....what a way to remember college. Poor kid! jmo

[dtviewer]

Of course I meant June 15.

Oh his mother told him about the fight.

Was his mother at the house on June 15?

I can see this guy in court now. "Well I heard from my mother (who wasn't there, but she 'heard', that there was a huge fight on the night of June 15."

Okay that it, case closed. We now know what happened to Caylee Anthony.

YOU don't know any more than I do when and if this fight occurred.


Actually, most posters are able to use common sense and the circumstantial evidence at hand to infer that the fight most probably happened on the 15th.
Neighbor heard fight weekend of 15th.
Casey left after big fight with parents and went to Tone's on the 15th.
Etc etc.

BTW, no, they wouldnt call 'this guy' to the stand. But they very well could call his mother who could testify that Cindy told her about the big fight they had on the 15th and Casey left with Caylee for the last time.

Pretty simple.......

[warrkat]

Presiden Carter.

And later a full pardon by Bill Clinton.

and now you know the rest of the story - Paul Harvey.

[jammies]

I think Casey and her friends were all doing meth. They have "that look".

imo



No they don't.

[bchand]

July 15th? Are you talking about a different fight?

Regardless... the fight happened on the 15th of June.

The fight was about the money that Casey stole from her grandparent's account.

Rick is Casey's grandparent's son. He was told about the fight by his mother.

Rick explained all this while posting at Topix.com.

Sorry you missed it.

The fight happened on the 15th of June. Period.



I agree. Sheesh.

[impartial]

That's true, but we don't know how these young people party. We only know how Casey parties. I didn't see anyone else hanging over the toilet, did you?

Young people have been partying for years. I doubt it's going to stop now. Here's a link that explains Casey's behavior. It seems she's part of a new "point of pride." Never let it be said that Casey isn't on the cutting edge. imo

TOTALLY WASTED, AND PROUD OF IT:


http://www.glamour.com/health-fitness/2008/08/totally-wasted-and-proud


Jesse has indicated that Casey is/was not a partier.

Lake Vaj was posting at WS, and said Casey BARELY (his caps, not mine) drank ... the picture of her over the toilet was her 21st birthday.

IMO

[Snoopy50]

Presiden Carter.

OMG you are right!!!!!!! what was I thinking? Brains cells dropping like flies here....thanks for the correction.
:seeya:

[desmom]

Wasn't one of the "who's the father" stories Casey told people a guy named Brandon, a friend of Lee's that was visiting at Thanksgiving time?

Sorry for quoting myself.....

I know I heard before the Globe article. Ricardo said it in his interview with Globe...

http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/izbFg

[Snoopy50]

Didn't believe it then and still don't believe it today. No, she was not convicted.
YES she WAS convicted.

[dtviewer]

:eek: I couldn't disagree more.

On this I really agree.
I havent seen a single one of them that have the typical 'meth' look.

[Snoopy50]

And later a full pardon by Bill Clinton.

and now you know the rest of the story - Paul Harvey. True....that was the only thing he did that I agreed with. sorry...:tongue:

[SavannahStar]

Actually, most posters are able to use common sense and the circumstantial evidence at hand to infer that the fight most probably happened on the 15th.
Neighbor heard fight weekend of 15th.
Casey left after big fight with parents and went to Tone's on the 15th.
Etc etc.

BTW, no, they wouldnt call 'this guy' to the stand. But they very well could call his mother who could testify that Cindy told her about the big fight they had on the 15th and Casey left with Caylee for the last time.

Pretty simple.......


If you think this case is all "pretty simple" I think you are going to be in for some shocks.

[WinnieLeigh7]

I haven't seen any evidence of that, whatsoever. imo

LOL

Me either...just another wild theory based soley on the 'hit something, ran over something' statements....

[Joan Weiss]

Are you thinking of Patricia Herst (I think that was her name) heir to a big fortuneHearst didn't kill anyone that I'm aware of. Perhaps Winnie is thinking of the Manson women, Patricia Krenwinkle and Leslie Van Houten, both of whom came from an American apple pie environment. imo

Patty Hearst:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Hearst

[Snoopy50]

of killing anyone

Gotcha, thanks.:seeya:

[SavannahStar]

jesse has indicated that casey is/was not a partier.

Lake vaj was posting at ws, and said casey barely (his caps, not mine) drank ... The picture of her over the toilet was her 21st birthday.

Imo


thank you.

[trich]

What needs to be determined...and LE may have done that already...if Casey left the house after that fight ....(evening of the 15th)
What time if she did get to Tony's and without Casey?
I agree if they can prove Casey was at Tony's at x time on June 15th and as was said without Casey and no one has popped up to say they were watching Caylee then....well that time between leaving the house and arriving at Tony's has to be when she did it.
If that is what happened.....they lied about Casey and Caylee being tucked in bed together that night.....and about being seen the next day on the way out of the house.
Hopefully there are some pings from her cell as to exactly who is telling the truth....is it the Anthonys or Tony's roomate.
Now hopefully the dates can be verified .
But Casey could not have been in two places at one time.
Also I believe that Casey handed George the gas cans( was that around the 24th) and that he did not see them while they were in the trunk. Caylee was dead by then and I believe in the trunk....and
then by the 27th the smell had gotten so bad she ditched the car.

[dtviewer]

I wouldn't say that their use of meth was long term. ---snipped----.

And I wouldnt say there is ANY evidence of meth use at all, so trying to predict what they will look in a few years seems a bit ridiculous to me.

But hey, knock yourself out if predicting the future is your thing......;)

[WinnieLeigh7]

If she ran her over after she was decomposing... But why would it be inside the trunk?

B/c after she ran over her (whether in a 'influenced state' accident whatever) and got out and realized what happened...she placed her in the trunk

:shrug:

Not stating this is what happened or even what I believe...just throwing out another possibility based on the squirrel statements only...

[Rayosunshine]

[QUOTE=need2no;12184027]Speaking of money and jobs....
gotta say I found the following part interesting. Also reading between the lines it's clear to me from AL's interview he has shared some 'stuff' LE has agreed to keep off the record (at least the public record for now), or he admitted to some 'stuff' after being confronted with it by LE. Naturally LE could overlook some 'stuff' to get the cooperation of Casey's boyfriend.


EE: Do you have a job that you….

AL: Uh, not an actual job. I do manage uh, nights at Fusion on Friday nights. At Fusion Ultra Lounge. Uhm, and I was getting uh, transportation to there uhm, through my friend Clint House.

EE: Clint House who is your business partner?

AL: Who is my business partner, yes.

Business partner in what business?[/QUOTE

Uh, I'd like to know what that answer might be.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[margaritaville]

Scholarships, Grants, Student Loans. I am absolutely amazed at the amount our son is offered through loans every year. He could actually quit his job, draw a monthly stipend and make more than he makes working part-time.

IMO, AL is another victim of Casey's. From what I have read about Full Sail, it sounds like a pretty intense class schedule. This has to be a very difficult....what a way to remember college. Poor kid! jmo


Oh no kidding! I feel so sorry for anyone that let Casey into their life..
I hope he doesn't end up with trust issues after this....

[GrannyB]

True....that was the only thing he did that I agreed with. sorry...:tongue:

ITA Snoopy.

[Joan Weiss]

Right. They have that non typical look of meth use. Beginners.I'd be careful what you say about them. :no:

[Rayosunshine]

I would bet his parents are paying for his schooling and room and board.
He also could be on a scholarship?! We have no idea...But I do not find it that odd that he has money and is going to school. Rich family's can afford it!
Or another theory,maybe he sells pot! :shrug:

All we know is that no one has came forward that he stole their checkbook and cleaned out their bank account..

MOO

But some women would do anything to please their man.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[dtviewer]

If you think this case is all "pretty simple" I think you are going to be in for some shocks.

This case is VERY simple. No matter what smoke and mirrors get thrown around.

[SavannahStar]

What needs to be determined...and LE may have done that already...if Casey left the house after that fight ....(evening of the 15th)
What time if she did get to Tony's and without Casey?
I agree if they can prove Casey was at Tony's at x time on June 15th and as was said without Casey and no one has popped up to say they were watching Caylee then....well that time between leaving the house and arriving at Tony's has to be when she did it.
If that is what happened.....they lied about Casey and Caylee being tucked in bed together that night.....and about being seen the next day on the way out of the house.
Hopefully there are some pings from her cell as to exactly who is telling the truth....is it the Anthonys or Tony's roomate.
Now hopefully the dates can be verified .
But Casey could not have been in two places at one time.
Also I believe that Casey handed George the gas cans( was that around the 24th) and that he did not see them while they were in the trunk. Caylee was dead by then and I believe in the trunk....and
then by the 27th the smell had gotten so bad she ditched the car.

And won't it be funny if it turns out the Anthonys were the ones telling the truth and Casey and Caylee were in fact seen leaving on the 16th. Everyone would have to scramble to revise their theories. :lol:

[margaritaville]

But some women would do anything to please their man.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


:confused: and that has to do with Tony having money how???

[SavannahStar]

This case is VERY simple. No matter what smoke and mirrors get thrown around.


We'll find out eventually.

Gee if it is SO simple, Casey would have been charged with murder by now. That right there tells you it is NOT so simple.

[Joan Weiss]

Jesse has indicated that Casey is/was not a partier.

Lake Vaj was posting at WS, and said Casey BARELY (his caps, not mine) drank ... the picture of her over the toilet was her 21st birthday.

IMONot when she was engaged to him, anyway. How do you explain all those party pics?

[Snoopy50]

Something is bugging me......Cindy was adamant that Casey keep Caylee at birth, rather than have her adopted. I assumed that was because Cindy couldn't fathom not having her grandbaby in her life. I thought that Cindy has raised Caylee, but from reading the interviews from Casey's friends, & things the Grund's have said, Cindy provided for Caylee, but didn't babysit much. Why, then, did she insist Casey keep the baby? Control?:shrug:

[WinnieLeigh7]

Patty Hearst was kidnapped, held inside a closet for months, raped...then convinced that she was part of a massive revolutionary group (which actually consisted of about 10 misguided, to say the least, people). However, she did not kill anyone, nor did she take part in killings. She was a part of a few armed robberies, no shooting.

Okay, obviously not her LOL


It's the lady that I believe wrote with the victims blood.

NM

I thinK I'm confusing all kind of stories at the moment, so I'm just going to stop while I'm ahead...


(insert smiling with X for mouth)

[SavannahStar]

Something is bugging me......Cindy was adamant that Casey keep Caylee at birth, rather than have her adopted. I assumed that was because Cindy couldn't fathom not having her grandbaby in her life. I thought that Cindy has raised Caylee, but from reading the interviews from Casey's friends, & things the Grund's have said, Cindy provided for Caylee, but didn't babysit much. Why, then, did she insist Casey keep the baby? Control?:shrug:

Not necessarily.

[SavannahStar]

Nothing is funny about this case.

And nothing will ever be funny about this case.

Next time I read a snarky one-liner about one of the Anthonys I'll quote your post. :D

[Joan Weiss]

I understood Tony to say he didn't really have a paying job, earlier in the interview, and that he was a student. Wonder who pays his rent, car, etc.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMomHe said he has a business. He was promoting it at the mall. Says so in his statement. Maybe his parents are supporting him through college.

I suspect posters are going to a bad, libelous place. imo

[dtviewer]

Maybe its heroin.

imo

For someone who claims to advocate against hate you certainly dont mind smearing the victims.......

[Unperson1984]

Actually, most posters are able to use common sense and the circumstantial evidence at hand to infer that the fight most probably happened on the 15th.
Neighbor heard fight weekend of 15th.
Casey left after big fight with parents and went to Tone's on the 15th.
Etc etc.

BTW, no, they wouldnt call 'this guy' to the stand. But they very well could call his mother who could testify that Cindy told her about the big fight they had on the 15th and Casey left with Caylee for the last time.

Pretty simple.......

Are you under the belief that something Cindy said to a third party would be admissible at Casey's trial?

[warrkat]

True....that was the only thing he did that I agreed with. sorry...:tongue:

No sorry needed. Agree to disagree.

[GrannyB]

Nothing is funny about this case.

And nothing will ever be funny about this case.

I so agree with that. How could anyone think any of this is funny.

[SavannahStar]

Are you under the belief that something Cindy said to a third party would be admissible at Casey's trial?

Hey friend. :seeya: :D

[WinnieLeigh7]

Hearst didn't kill anyone that I'm aware of. Perhaps Winnie is thinking of the Manson women, Patricia Krenwinkle and Leslie Van Houten, both of whom came from an American apple pie environment. imo

Patty Hearst:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Hearst

Winnie obviously isnt thinking clearly today whatever it is, I think I'll blame it on "stupid sinuses"

and that's the absolute truth

*smiley with X mouth*

[SavannahStar]

I so agree with that. How could anyone think any of this is funny.


Sadly, since this case began, I wish I had a dime for each one of these I've seen posted ->:lol:

The ones I've used I can count on one hand probably.

Aren't you around here in the afternoons? There's a lot of jokes at that time. :(

[Unperson1984]

Hey friend. :seeya: :D


:seeya:

I've been very busy the last couple of days, but I've read the all documents released.

Anything else new?

[Rayosunshine]

You didn't see any pics of Casey & her friends shooting heroin or smoking meth but that doesn't stop you now does it?

No. It doesn't.

Sales is probably more lucrative anyway.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[trich]

And won't it be funny if it turns out the Anthonys were the ones telling the truth and Casey and Caylee were in fact seen leaving on the 16th. Everyone would have to scramble to revise their theories. :lol:

If the anthnys are telling the truth about when Casey and Caylee left the house then Tony's roomater has the date mixed up .
But it really doesn't matter because no one has seen Caylee since either the 15th or the 16th and whether she was killed on the 15th or the 16th IMO is no big deal except for someone telling lies.
Or to be nice got dates mixed up.

[Rebel Rouzer]

For someone who claims to advocate against hate you certainly dont mind smearing the victims.......

For someone who advocates going on facts she sure doesn't have a problem making up rumors about these individuals with no basis in fact to claim these rumors. Hypocrisy killed the cat or was the curiosity killed the cat? Anyway you look at it I see a banning coming if there is no link to even cooberate the notion that these people are doing heroin or meth. Nothing in the documents or the news reports have suggested they were users. Other than Casey smoking weed. In My Opinion

[jusdafacts]

Lee Anthony's interview - audio released today: This is the link to hear it ....

http://www.wftv.com/video/17557603/index.html

[dtviewer]

Are you under the belief that something Cindy said to a third party would be admissible at Casey's trial?


I definatly believe that if Cindy told someone that she and Casey had a fight on the 15th that person would be able to testify to that conversation. Yes.

[crymeariver2006]

:seeya:Cheri

You are correct on both counts!

The mother, Cindy Anthony, says going back as far as two years, she remembers her daughter, Casey, mentioning a Zenaida Gonzalez as a baby- sitter or nanny, and she says simply that's not the Zenaida. And in fact, the sheriff's department confirmed today they took a photo of that Zenaida Gonzalez, showed it to Casey Anthony in jail, and Casey Anthony responded, I don't know who that is.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,400001,00.html


Yes, in her bond hearing testimony she says (under oath) that "Zenaida has been Caylee's babysitter consistently for the past year and a half, two years".

But....in the call home (the one where she says "calling you guys, huge waste"), Cindy tells Casey that she's in jail because she lied. She then tells Casey that "the person you say you gave Caylee to doesn't exist".

"The person", not "Zenaida", not "Zanny", not "well we know she exists".

FWIW

[Joan Weiss]

Sheesh! I hope I put things in perspective upthread a bit.

I didn't realize discussing the FOC's (Friends of Casey) was entirely off limits.Their income is none of our business. They are not charged or even suspected of anything illegal. That's what you were implying, isn't it? Sure sounded like it to me. imo

[jusdafacts]

Lee Anthony's interview:
http://www.wftv.com/video/17557603/index.html



Jesse Grund's interview (July 23):
http://www.wftv.com/video/17557465/index.html



Jesse Grund's interview (July 31):
http://www.wftv.com/video/17556845/index.html

[Unperson1984]

I definatly believe that if Cindy told someone that she and Casey had a fight on the 15th that person would be able to testify to that conversation. Yes.

Unless Casey was present during the conversation it’s inadmissible as hearsay.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Dern, are you still here are here again? I just got here. I guess Joan Weiss has been holding down the fort for us. LOL


and the only thing about the pot is that it was 3rd party info

lol I'm back and forth here. You are correct but at least the pot smoking is in the documents not pulled out of thin air like some are doing with other drugs and rumors referring to these people.

Good to see ya and read ya today :seeya:

[Destini]

Well, this is a relief. The child's foot found in north Alabama was actually a bear foot.

Suspected Child's Foot Actually from Bear

http://www.wtvynews4.com/alabamanews/headlines/29756504.html

[SavannahStar]

Unless Casey was present during the conversation it’s inadmissible as hearsay.

It's always good to get an attorney's opinion. :)

[dtviewer]

Unless Casey was present during the conversation it’s inadmissible as hearsay.

Of course you are correct.
Thanks

[crymeariver2006]

Well, this is a relief. The child's foot found in north Alabama was actually a bear foot.

Suspected Child's Foot Actually from Bear

http://www.wtvynews4.com/alabamanews/headlines/29756504.html


Oh my word!

[Rebel Rouzer]

Unless Casey was present during the conversation it’s inadmissible as hearsay.

Hi doll. I remember a few cases where things like this were admissible. I believe one was Jimmy Watson trial. I'll recheck that but I do think it depends on how it's presented and what the judge will consider hearsay. You know more than i do but I have seen it happen in other cases. Like in the Peterson case where people testified to What Laci or Scott told them. :read:

[day2day]

NEW THREAD

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12184347&posted=1#post12184347

PLEASE CONTINUE HERE

Thanks..!!

[Destini]

Oh my word!

And 2 doctors, orthopedic surgeon & some other, identified it as human. Think they need some new doctors in Russellville.

[Rebel Rouzer]

a gateway drug to where? imo that's a lie. the only addiction to weed is psychological, it is not a physically addicting drug or I'd still be an addict


Lmao :lol: You rock