Wed Afternoon 9/24 Day 100

[EGirl]

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[Rebel Rouzer]

Does anyone know when the rest of the documents will be released?

[EGirl]

LOL, Dang! I knew we were gonna end up with 2 threads! Sorry!

[EGirl]

Does anyone know when the rest of the documents will be released?

Hi Rebel!

Not sure, but I wish they would hurry. What I'd really like to see are the docs they withheld for the Grand Jury.

[beckyj]

I don't know how to bring this over from the previous thread but someone posted that they do not believe CA would have developed a personality of verbal abuse after Casey got pregnant if she hadn't had it before. I agree. I think that is her personality in general. I believe the tow yard guy said she went nuts over the bill at the tow yard too. I think that just proves it's her attitude in general.

I would like to hear from some people who work with her. I find it interesting that no one has come forward.

[GrannyB]

Day 100?!!

:rose: poor Caylee

I wish her family would let her have a decent resting place.

If they don't, the book should be thrown at ALL of them..

I think if LE would do that one of them would start talking.

[bballgrl]

Day 100?!!

:rose: poor Caylee

I wish her family would let her have a decent resting place.

If they don't, the book should be thrown at ALL of them..

Decent being the operative word. It is a shame that the family doesn't think about that. I honestly think that if there was any "accident" involved in this childs death, someone would have broken by now. I believe that she was murdered.. I just wish I could prove it! :(

[Rebel Rouzer]

Hi Rebel!

Not sure, but I wish they would hurry. What I'd really like to see are the docs they withheld for the Grand Jury.


Yes that would be very interesting to read for sure.
I figured the OCSO page would have the new docs up with redactions but I didn't see them.

[EGirl]

I think if LE would do that one of them would start talking.


Who do you think would talk first?? I'm still so bothered by her telling lee that they 'should have stopped her' when she first became untrustworthy, when she started stealing from everyone.

I had no idea all of the people she had stolen from. It's been going on for years.


I think she meant, if y'all had stopped me, Caylee would still be here.

[Joan Weiss]

I just talked to my sister about her sunfire. She said a 2 and a half year old would fit in the wheel well easily. She was barf when I told her why I was asking. She also said Caylee would fit in the trunk easily.

I recall that the dogs hit on the passenger side of the trunk, so I don't think she was in the wheel well, which is in the center of the trunk. :shrug:

imo

[GrannyB]

Someone posted they are not going to release them because there are too many numbers to black out. I wanted to see all the text and calls.


600 pages down to 300 pages is a lot of blacking out. I want to see more.

[day2day]

Yes that would be very interesting to read for sure.
I figured the OCSO page would have the new docs up with redactions but I didn't see them.

I read where people are ordering them from kinkos====$54.95 :eek:

[Rebel Rouzer]

Didn't I read a post on the morning thread from someone who emailed one of the news stations and the response was that they wouldn't be releasing the rest due to redaction issues? Did I dream that? :shrug:

I probably just missed it.

[kakax]

Does anyone know when the rest of the documents will be released?


I emailed Orlando Sentinel and Amy Edwards wrote me back. She said that there wouldn't be any more document release because alot of personal information that didn't have any relevance to the case was on these pages. I put the actual email in the last thread. I'm too lazy to go get it LOL!!

[GrannyB]

Who do you think would talk first?? I'm still so bothered by her telling lee that they 'should have stopped her' when she first became untrustworthy, when she started stealing from everyone.

I had no idea all of the people she had stolen from. It's been going on for years.


I think she meant, if y'all had stopped me, Caylee would still be here.

They need to be split up so they can't talk to each other and try and keep the script going.

[tiny paw-prints]

How did LE know that George had a gun in the back of his SUV?

:shrug:

[GrannyB]

I just talked to my sister about her sunfire. She said a 2 and a half year old would fit in the wheel well easily. She was barf when I told her why I was asking. She also said Caylee would fit in the trunk easily.

I recall that the dogs hit on the passenger side of the trunk, so I don't think she was in the wheel well, which is in the center of the trunk. :shrug:

imo

hmmmmmmm I had a sunfire before. If you took the spare out I believe a child of that age would fit there. Could be why the man at the tow yard didn't see anything but trash.

[bballgrl]

How did LE know that George had a gun in the back of his SUV?

:shrug:


I believe he admitted to it (he called LE himself I believe)??? I think that is what I remember.

[steffaroob4]

I emailed Orlando Sentinel and Amy Edwards wrote me back. She said that there wouldn't be any more document release because alot of personal information that didn't have any relevance to the case was on these pages. I put the actual email in the last thread. I'm too lazy to go get it LOL!!

thanks for that info, now I see why some of the members of WS are getting their own copy of the docs. I sure wonder where the GPs interviews are. Something seems odd with those missing, I wonder if they don't plan on using the GPs in the neglect case.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I read where people are ordering them from kinkos====$54.95 :eek:

I'm not paying that just to read the copies. Now I'll read trial transcripts and pay for those. :D

[GrannyB]

Fox News just said they will be talking about messages between family members today. Not fair they have them and we don't. Guess Fox will be on my tv rest of the day. They made it sound like it will be slowly all day not all at one time.

[Mandysmom]

continued...

I'm here but still trying to catch up on my reading of the transcripts.

:seeya:

[beetlebrow]

How did LE know that George had a gun in the back of his SUV?

:shrug:

We still don't know......:confused:

[bballgrl]

Sorry... here is the answer about the gun in GA car:

Acting on a tip, police took the gun late Friday night from George Anthony's car — parked in his driveway — and brought it to the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,418161,00.html

[jakee]

600 pages down to 300 pages is a lot of blacking out. I want to see more.


Grrrrr me too! I watch NG, but I would like to read the docs/texts myself. Nancy seemed to have some of them correct? The best sex Casey ever had text? IMO

[GrannyB]

How did LE know that George had a gun in the back of his SUV?

:shrug:

I don't think we've ever heard the answer to that.

[OneUp]

Hiya!:seeya:
I see the rest of the information has yet to be released...and possibly may not be? Boogers! I really wanted to see the times and dates of the calls. I'm sure there were trends apparent to LE.
I have just been thinking this morning that if what has been released is deemed uneccessary to the GJ/trial by LE, how incriminating must the remainder be?
100 days...This once I do wish someone would demonstrate outside the Anthony home...and I've been against most of that action ( not legally...just didn't approve).
If I lived close I'd want to find 99 other people to go with me and march past all day chanting that each of us represented a day that this precious baby was missing...100 days, Where is Caylee?
Let them see the enormity of their actions...I think when facing it in incrimates it is easier to discard one individual fact, to get through just one day at a time convincing yourself that she may be ok. But when one ( I) takes a look at that length of time for a child to be gone w/o comfort or contact, it becomes overwhelming and so real.
JMO.

[num1barb]

I just talked to my sister about her sunfire. She said a 2 and a half year old would fit in the wheel well easily. She was barf when I told her why I was asking. She also said Caylee would fit in the trunk easily.

I recall that the dogs hit on the passenger side of the trunk, so I don't think she was in the wheel well, which is in the center of the trunk. :shrug:

imo


Thank you for asking Joan. I'm thinking perhaps she was wrapped in several trash bags...but when she was being removed from the spare tire well, a small hole got torn in the corner of the bags....and some fluids leaked out into the passenger side of the trunk.
Speculation on my part.

MOO

[Mint_Julep]

Fox News just said they will be talking about messages between family members today. Not fair they have them and we don't. Guess Fox will be on my tv rest of the day. They made it sound like it will be slowly all day not all at one time.

NG held up a stack of papers last night and IIRC she said they were the almost 600 pages that were released. She may have some good info on her show tonight. I want to know what are in G&C's interviews!

I'm just signing on so sorry if this has already been discussed.

[bballgrl]

I would love to know who gave the tip.


Would you believe it was me???? :shrug:

[threesnugbugs]

Hiya!:seeya:

100 days...
If I lived close I'd want to find 99 other people to go with me and march past all day chanting that each of us represented a day that this precious baby was missing...100 days, Where is Caylee?
Let them see the enormity of their actions.
JMO.

I'd like to see something like this done for effect during a trial--like a grand closing statement!

[num1barb]

How did LE know that George had a gun in the back of his SUV?

:shrug:

I think lee leaked that info because he was afraid that george would use it...either on protestors or casey.

MOO of course

[OneUp]

Hello all. My cousin is still in the hospital. Now the medication she is on is not lowering her fever and is making her basically go orange at the potty (sorry there is no good way to say that) and has a secondary infection...I don't know what all of that means. My aunt sent me home to take a shower and rest for a bit. I hope my work place doesn't fire me.

I am going to try and summarize the entire docu dump down to bullet points. I know that might be easier for some to follow who don't have the time to read the whole thing. Coming up will be my bullet points. I am almost finished with reading through everything.HI Bitty...I've been adding your family to my prayers.
Thanks so much for working on the bullets! There are some slow readers here who will benefit enormously, also some who seem to have trouble with continuity. I'm a fast reader, but having the information briefly consolidated will help me too!
It's so great of you to take your time and do this for IS!
Get somwe rest and take care of Bitty too!

[kakax]

Hello all. My cousin is still in the hospital. Now the medication she is on is not lowering her fever and is making her basically go orange at the potty (sorry there is no good way to say that) and has a secondary infection...I don't know what all of that means. My aunt sent me home to take a shower and rest for a bit. I hope my work place doesn't fire me.

I am going to try and summarize the entire docu dump down to bullet points. I know that might be easier for some to follow who don't have the time to read the whole thing. Coming up will be my bullet points. I am almost finished with reading through everything.


Awww LB I'm so sorry! My prayers are with all of you!

Don't rush....you need to get your rest too!!

[beetlebrow]

Hello all. My cousin is still in the hospital. Now the medication she is on is not lowering her fever and is making her basically go orange at the potty (sorry there is no good way to say that) and has a secondary infection...I don't know what all of that means. My aunt sent me home to take a shower and rest for a bit. I hope my work place doesn't fire me.

I am going to try and summarize the entire docu dump down to bullet points. I know that might be easier for some to follow who don't have the time to read the whole thing. Coming up will be my bullet points. I am almost finished with reading through everything.


Sounds like MRSA....

Did anyone else notice that in more than one of the interviews, the nanny's name was spelled ZENITA????. I seem to recall Cindy talking to reporters early on and saying that LE is not even spelling her name correctly.

I googled many different forms of this name but I never tried Zenita Fernandez/Gonzalez.........of course I still don't think a nanny exists but.....hmmm

[steffaroob4]

I don't see where they wouldn't have a choice but to use them.


I wonder if they have a good enough case for neglect, maybe they don't need them. Maybe there is something in there worth holding back and saving for a murder case. Maybe they will wait as long as they can before letting the GPs interviews out for the neglect, I just find it odd we are missing the interviews of 2 people that saw Caylee more than any of these other people.

[beetlebrow]

I think lee leaked that info because he was afraid that george would use it...either on protestors or casey.

MOO of course


ITA.....someone was scared and and he rightly so!!!! Maybe Casey told Baez he reported it :shrug:

[Pruddennce]

here is what sticks out like a sore thumb, IMO:

Lee A states in the interview that the sheds have 'the little padlocks on them'.....

and:

'typically, we dont even keep them locked."

then right after that he says "the shed was broken into'.

what I referred to earlier about Lee A and his laughing: he is giving an account of what Tony told him about taking Casey to the home to get the gas cans....and then he laughs when he remarks, 'he didnt know that she stole them'.

why would GA report them stolen if he was "pretty sure it was casey", per Lee A account of what his dad told him?

if the locks were not 'typically' locked, just turned and clicked, why would Cindy tell this elaborate story about her having the key and her daughter doesnt know where she keeps it?


best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

I think you are forgetting that cars that are closed up get much hotter than the outside air. I think there was some demonstration on the news almost everywhere the past few summers about how leaving your pet or child in a car at 80 or 90 degrees quickly (I think within just 15 minutes) can turn into 100 and hotter. I dont think any humidity would survive that. I could be wrong.Humidity can increase the temp, and it would make bacteria grow more rapidly. It would also drive the humidity out of the upholstery and into the open space. It wouldn't disappear if the space is tightly closed. That's how mold forms. Just my opinion. imo jmo

[Shellberry]

I think you are forgetting that cars that are closed up get much hotter than the outside air. I think there was some demonstration on the news almost everywhere the past few summers about how leaving your pet or child in a car at 80 or 90 degrees quickly (I think within just 15 minutes) can turn into 100 and hotter. I dont think any humidity would survive that. I could be wrong.
being down here, it is hard to say if the humidity would be gone or not.
if we open the trunk on a hot/humid day-it is seemingly a little cooler than the rest of the car -I figure it is because of the windows letting heat/light in.

we have a 04 neon, small trunk with a tire well.

there is a garbage bag that we keep in there for when my other half goes to work-=he puts his work bag on the garbage bag, so the trunk doesnt get dirty.

I've never opened the trunk to find the bag 'moist' or anything.
:shrug:
hot, but again, a little bit cooler than the rest of the car.
I would love to know who gave the tip.
I was wondering if geo. flashed it at a protester & one of them called in the tip.
Thank you for asking Joan. I'm thinking perhaps she was wrapped in several trash bags...but when she was being removed from the spare tire well, a small hole got torn in the corner of the bags....and some fluids leaked out into the passenger side of the trunk.
Speculation on my part.

MOO
hmm--good thought, that could be.


imo/jmo/etc

[WinnieLeigh7]

Well, completely crossed eyed now....

I've made it through the documents, I think....

Assuming that's what ya'll are discussing...what do ya think about all that?

[Mint_Julep]

Has webcam #2 been blurred all morning? Cam 1 is blacked out so with both of them out of service I guess we won't get to see if LE calls on Casey this afternoon.

Does she have an appointment with Baez today? I believe I remember reading that she was to see him late yesterday but I don't know if it happened.

Thanks!

[impartial]

I think GA reported the gas cans stolen to create an erroneous timeline, with proof that he "looked" into the trunk.


Didn't Tony say in his interview that he drove Casey to pick the gas cans up somewhere around the 20th?

[GrannyB]

Well, completely crossed eyed now....

I've made it through the documents, I think....

Assuming that's what ya'll are discussing...what do ya think about all that?


I got the most out of Jesse's. It made me have more questions though.

[num1barb]

ITA.....someone was scared and and he rightly so!!!! Maybe Casey told Baez he reported it :shrug:

Maybe!! I didn't think of that, i immediately thought of lee when I heard the story.
I love your sig BTW.

[impartial]

There is a link to another 2 pages, sorry I don't have it. It goes along the lines that he witnessed Cindy telling Casey what a loser she was and Jesse sticking up for her. He said Cindy really threw Casey under the bus.


Thank you.

Now, if someone would provide a link ... begging icon here.

:seeya:

[beetlebrow]

here is what sticks out like a sore thumb, IMO:

Lee A states in the interview that the sheds have 'the little padlocks on them'.....

and:

'typically, we dont even keep them locked."

then right after that he says "the shed was broken into'.

what I referred to earlier about Lee A and his laughing: he is giving an account of what Tony told him about taking Casey to the home to get the gas cans....and then he laughs when he remarks, 'he didnt know that she stole them'.

why would GA report them stolen if he was "pretty sure it was casey", per Lee A account of what his dad told him?

if the locks were not 'typically' locked, just turned and clicked, why would Cindy tell this elaborate story about her having the key and her daughter doesnt know where she keeps it?


best regards,
Pru


Didn't someone from the Anthony family say (just after George admitted it was Casey) that Casey had stolen gas cans before?. Maybe by saying they hide the key Cindy was trying to make an excuse for Casey having to break the lock???. Wow.....Lee is gonna regret sayin so many things.....I'm sure he did not expect this to become public :biggrin:

[Joan Weiss]

Thank you for asking Joan. I'm thinking perhaps she was wrapped in several trash bags...but when she was being removed from the spare tire well, a small hole got torn in the corner of the bags....and some fluids leaked out into the passenger side of the trunk.
Speculation on my part.

MOOYW. Anything is possible, and your speculation is as important as anyone else's.

[Armchairdet]

Sounds like MRSA....

Did anyone else notice that in more than one of the interviews, the nanny's name was spelled ZENITA????. I seem to recall Cindy talking to reporters early on and saying that LE is not even spelling her name correctly.

I googled many different forms of this name but I never tried Zenita Fernandez/Gonzalez.........of course I still don't think a nanny exists but.....hmmm

Interesting. I did notice the spelling on the transcripts. But if Casey was spelling it 'the correct way' to them, and I believe I have heard her spell it, then why did they spell it different on the transcript? Hmmm is right

[GrannyB]

hi all, am i hospital w/ pneumonia and have missed reading boards since last friday. Where should i g to catch up as fast as possible- links?? Can't read back 6 days of threads....:eek:
tia and i have missed you all..

:seeya:AB



http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-documents092308,0,2008725.story

[impartial]

hi all, am i hospital w/ pneumonia and have missed reading boards since last friday. Where should i g to catch up as fast as possible- links?? Can't read back 6 days of threads....:eek:
tia and i have missed you all..

:seeya:AB


Start with the latest document releases:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42528488.pdf



And get well !!! :rose:

[Joan Weiss]

interior of car trunk is cooler than the car itself. jmoSome bacteria grows faster in 65 degree temps, mold in particular. imo

IIRC, Rachel and Lillian Entwistle were found in 65 degree temp, their odor was smelled from the basement approximately 36 hours after death, they were found on the second floor. imo

[dixielover]

I think lee leaked that info because he was afraid that george would use it...either on protestors or casey.

MOO of course

I hope the pro use ggd singing you are my sunshine- I thought that was errie jmo

[need2no]

I think lee leaked that info because he was afraid that george would use it...either on protestors or casey.

MOO of course


I thought the same thing with more one option....suicide.

[GrannyB]

Didn't someone from the Anthony family say (just after George admitted it was Casey) that Casey had stolen gas cans before?. Maybe by saying they hide the key Cindy was trying to make an excuse for Casey having to break the lock???. Wow.....Lee is gonna regret sayin so many things.....I'm sure he did not expect this to become public :biggrin:


Before this is over I imagine all of the Anthony's wish they were born mute.:)

[beetlebrow]

As a matter of fact my girlfriend and I (who lives in Orlando) were discussing that she had never heard the name before this case but that one of the girls she works with is from Turkey and her name is Zeneeta. But I remember Casey spelling it on those call transcripts from the jail in which she was speaking to her brother. So If Zenaida exists at all (Which I do not believe) then it would be her own fault for the misspelling.

Ok....I did not catch that....so she spelled it Zenaida?....or did she say (and this is sooo Casey) that she THINKS it is spelled that way but she is not sure??? RSVP

[Pruddennce]

another interesting tidbit:

Williams Walters: claiming she said she ((Casey) was with NA-NAW on 7/10, and she texted that to him.....

and: she also told 'might be getting a rental car'.

best regards,
Pru

[beckyj]

ITA, I really wonder though knowing what we know now with the doc. if G&C take the stand if they will take the chance and lie, can parents take the 5th?


I think anyone can plead the Fifth. That would be very telling though.

[dtviewer]

Interesting. I did notice the spelling on the transcripts. But if Casey was spelling it 'the correct way' to them, and I believe I have heard her spell it, then why did they spell it different on the transcript? Hmmm is right

Im sure that the person who transcribed 'Zenita' just didnt spell it correctly-it happens when conversations get transcribed.

[Joan Weiss]

hi all, am i hospital w/ pneumonia and have missed reading boards since last friday. Where should i g to catch up as fast as possible- links?? Can't read back 6 days of threads....:eek:
tia and i have missed you all..

:seeya:AB

has the 600 pg doc been dumped yet? i can't wait to read it..Welcome back, be well. :rose:

[Joan Weiss]

another interesting tidbit:

Williams Walters: claiming she said she ((Casey) was with NA-NAW on 7/10, and she texted that to him.....

and: she also told 'might be getting a rental car'.

best regards,
PruThat's interesting. She didn't want her car back...

[Rebel Rouzer]

Who do you think would talk first?? I'm still so bothered by her telling lee that they 'should have stopped her' when she first became untrustworthy, when she started stealing from everyone.

I had no idea all of the people she had stolen from. It's been going on for years.


I think she meant, if y'all had stopped me, Caylee would still be here.


Sorry catching up again.

I think if anyone talks or cracks it will be George Anthony. He doesn't seem to handle pressure very well at all. Casey and Cindy on the other hand seem to do better in that area. IMO

[Armchairdet]

Im sure that the person who transcribed 'Zenita' just didnt spell it correctly-it happens when conversations get transcribed.



Oh, I know. Just saying Casey was telling the truth that time, it was spelled incorrectly by 'LE' so to speak. I guess Casey's lawyer probably had all the transcripts and mentioned it to her, or she read them. IMO

[GrannyB]

That's interesting. She didn't want her car back...

WW seemed a little off to me. He sure didn't know her that long.

[Pruddennce]

Didn't someone from the Anthony family say (just after George admitted it was Casey) that Casey had stolen gas cans before?. Maybe by saying they hide the key Cindy was trying to make an excuse for Casey having to break the lock???. Wow.....Lee is gonna regret sayin so many things.....I'm sure he did not expect this to become public :biggrin:

I believe you are correct....I cant pin my finger on who mentioned that...Lee perhaps?

he admitted she stole from him and his friend in the past....

best regards,
Pru

[beckyj]

You could be right but I have a hard time believing that, I remember a case not more than a couple years old where two boys were playing in the yard where the parents had an old abandoned car and the boys crawled in playing and suffocated because of the heat. I remember them testing the temperature of the boys and the heat in that trunk after they were found and it being astronomically high opposed to the real temperature.

I remember that. Such a sad case. I would think the trunk might stay a little cooler than the car, but it's still got to be hot.

[dixielover]

Im sure that the person who transcribed 'Zenita' just didnt spell it correctly-it happens when conversations get transcribed.

Wouldn't Zenaida and Zenita be pronounced different jmo

[Joan Weiss]

interior of car trunk is cooler than the car itself. jmoIf the car seams are tight, I would think the trunk would be like an oven. imo

[happy2bme]

Grrrrr me too! I watch NG, but I would like to read the docs/texts myself. Nancy seemed to have some of them correct? The best sex Casey ever had text? IMO

I heard that...its was about RM..right?

[beetlebrow]

Before this is over I imagine all of the Anthony's wish they were born mute.:)

Yes it is interesting that they didn't learn to stay quiet early on. I really think Casey and her parents are going to be mad at Lee when they read the transcripts. Blame Lee....not Casey.......and the destruction/denial/coverup continues until the whole famiy is blown apart IMO.

[GrannyB]

I believe you are correct....I cant pin my finger on who mentioned that...Lee perhaps?

he admitted she stole from him and his friend in the past....

best regards,
Pru

If Casey didn't harm Caylee she sure is the perfect person to pin it on with all her past problems of lying and theft.

[Armchairdet]

Wouldn't Zenaida and Zenita be pronounced different jmo

Yeah I think so. So someone typing what is being said may be confused due to accents and such of those saying the name. IMO

[Joan Weiss]

WW seemed a little off to me. He sure didn't know her that long.I don't think that devalues what he said about the rental car. :confused:

[BJames]

here is what sticks out like a sore thumb, IMO:<<<snipped only because it was quoted>>>




best regards,
Pru

Nothing had been shaken out between them at that point....the dance was missing a step....it seems that each had their own assumption.
Scroll is my friend..for sure.

Just my opinion of course...

[emanondeeni]

Didn't Tony say in his interview that he drove Casey to pick the gas cans up somewhere around the 20th?

I missed that if it was in his interview but I remember reading about it in Lee's statement...my question is, if this was around the 20th, was Tony the guy the neighbor saw with Casey that day.....the one with the pickup? Tony drives a Jeep....I thought it was a car-type Jeep. They used to make Jeep pickups but I don't know if they still make them. Who was the guy in the pickup if it wasn't Tony?

[Kathlb]

Even Cindy knew it is Caylee's body that had been in the trunk.

As soon as they found Casey alive, Cindy knew Casey killed Caylee.

Cindy knew & has known all along.

I believe this is very true. Both she and George had to feel sick. They knew that a dead body had been in the trunk...in fact they were deathly afraid that it was still in there before they opened it. When there was none there and she found Casey, they knew what had happened. jmho

[bballgrl]

I think anyone can plead the Fifth. That would be very telling though.


In American criminal law, "taking the Fifth", also known as "pleading the Fifth" or "commanding the fifth", is the act of refusing to testify under oath in a court of law or any other tribunal (such as a Congressional committee) on the ground that the answers that would be given could be used as evidence against the witness to convict him or her of a criminal offense. Although similar to the right to remain silent when being questioned by law enforcement officers, and coming from the same source, namely the Fifth Amendment in the Bill of Rights, the right to refuse to answer when under oath has a longer history than Miranda rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_Fifth

[Pruddennce]

That's interesting. She didn't want her car back...

I always thought from the beginning she got a rental vehicle for at least two days...for the missing communication days.....

when I read that, I thought, wow....it crossed my mind more than once.

IMO, that cant be ruled out if she paid in STOLEN CASH. IMO, LE has alot of info not made public.

Amy's car
Tony's car
rental

not in that order, but she had wheels to go rent a vehicle, AND cash at one point.

best regards,
Pru

[GrannyB]

Actually she probably used the word 'absolutely'.

The Absolutely Anthony's. It sure seems like it's a favorite of the whole clan.

[OneUp]

another interesting tidbit:

Williams Walters: claiming she said she ((Casey) was with NA-NAW on 7/10, and she texted that to him.....

and: she also told 'might be getting a rental car'.

best regards,
PruYes, who on Earth is this "Na-Naw" ?...he must have had the spelling correct as it was a text. That is quite a nickname! It sounds like a typical childhood name for a grandparent or maybe and Auntie or Uncle....I don't recall any MySpace entry, etc. referring to anyone whose name fits that.
I'm intrigued by many things in the WW interview...the "tip" from Ryan whooever...Casey suddenly hanging at his houseand doing her domestic bit..I do think portions of his interview are still being held.
Of course,:rolleyes: The interview with the ever elusive ( apparently Casey hating) JP Chatt isn't one released...too bad as it might help put his name aside once and for all. I don't like saying it, but the exclusion of his interview and Amy's comment that JP never "liked" Casey much leads me to think he must either have some dirt on her in this case or that there IS infact some history there. At least we can assume he is a better judge of character than the other friends.:D
JMO.

[beetlebrow]

hi all, am i hospital w/ pneumonia and have missed reading boards since last friday. Where should i g to catch up as fast as possible- links?? Can't read back 6 days of threads....:eek:
tia and i have missed you all..

:seeya:AB

has the 600 pg doc been dumped yet? i can't wait to read it..

Yes...links is the best way to catch up.....or better yet....just read the new documents that came out yesterday. Sorry about your illness :rose: Hope u can breathe easier soon.....

[beetlebrow]

Maybe!! I didn't think of that, i immediately thought of lee when I heard the story.
I love your sig BTW.


TY :seeya:

[Rebel Rouzer]

I read that last night, who is suppose to be NA-NAW?

I was assuming it was Cindy or the Nanny?

Na-Naw meaning Nanna or nanny? Or typo and meaning Ma-Maw? :confused:

[Pruddennce]

WW seemed a little off to me. He sure didn't know her that long.

well, he was having a phone romance, lol.....nothing more.....and she was using him because she didnt have anyone to talk to....IMO

I think he was just caught up in a bunch of nothing, insignificant to him, but important to interview concerning that period.

best regards,
Pru

[OneUp]

I think anyone can plead the Fifth. That would be very telling though.
Pleading the Fifth is used if the things you are asked to say w3ill be self incriminating. You can choose to refuse to answer anything and be held in contempt of court. Mattering on the judge, etc. you can be held in jail through the trial, etc.

As far as privelege goes, spouses, spiritual advisors, and Professionals in the Psych. community are covered with privelge. There isn't sibling or parent child privelege in the United States AFAIK.
JMO

[beetlebrow]

Im sure that the person who transcribed 'Zenita' just didnt spell it correctly-it happens when conversations get transcribed.

Perhaps u are correct....I was just thinking the defense might try to say something like........ no wonder you could not find her :rolleyes:

[need2no]

Oh, I know. Just saying Casey was telling the truth that time, it was spelled incorrectly by 'LE' so to speak. I guess Casey's lawyer probably had all the transcripts and mentioned it to her, or she read them. IMO


Well thank goodness in the initial interview they asked her to spell the nanny's name...I'd hate for Baez to have been able to say they weren't even looking for the right person because THEY were spelling it incorrectly, and had never asked Casey.

From the July 16th interview conducted at the Anthony’s home:


Q Okay. And according to your statemente back on August 9th, I’m sorry. Ah, back on June 9th, 2008, you took Caylee to a babysitter’s house?

A Yes

Q And who is this babysitter?

A Her name is Zenaida Fernandez Gonzales.

Q Do you know how to spell the first name?

A Z-E-N-A-I-D-A

[GrannyB]

well, he was having a phone romance, lol.....nothing more.....and she was using him because she didnt have anyone to talk to....IMO

I think he was just caught up in a bunch of nothing, insignificant to him, but important to interview concerning that period.

best regards,
Pru

I guess that was it. I think he was wishing she would have a romance with him but I bet he is sure glad now he didn't.

[beetlebrow]

I read that last night, who is suppose to be NA-NAW?

In a text no less????.......I WANT THE TEXTS.....wahhhhhhhh:cuss:

[Loves2Read]

I missed that if it was in his interview but I remember reading about it in Lee's statement...my question is, if this was around the 20th, was Tony the guy the neighbor saw with Casey that day.....the one with the pickup? Tony drives a Jeep....I thought it was a car-type Jeep. They used to make Jeep pickups but I don't know if they still make them. Who was the guy in the pickup if it wasn't Tony?

That's a question I have been wondering about myself! Who is the guy? I have a feeling it wasn't Tony since he never talked about it in the interviews and IMO he seems very forthcoming. IMO if it had been a Jeep pickup it would have stood out and have been talked about either by the people talking about Tony's Jeep or by the next door guy when he spoke of the truck.

[emanondeeni]

Who do you think would talk first?? I'm still so bothered by her telling lee that they 'should have stopped her' when she first became untrustworthy, when she started stealing from everyone.

I had no idea all of the people she had stolen from. It's been going on for years.


I think she meant, if y'all had stopped me, Caylee would still be here.

Lee seemed to think that what she was trying to say but perhaps that was just him projecting that thought onto her words...personally I think Casey was saying what she thought they wanted to hear and it wasn't said to do anything more than evoke a "poor me" response from her family. Same with her remarks about Cindy always talking down to her and calling Caylee Casey's best mistake. She needed some sympathy from Lee.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Question. Is it me or is the handwriting on the calendar for the car being towed and being at Amscot. Look like Casey's handwriting?

[GrannyB]

You know it, but that boy was smitten from the get go. What is it about Casey that she attracts so many men I wonder.

Good question. And just another one I don't have the answer too. I think Casey going from man to man was her looking to feel like she meant something to someone.

[Joan Weiss]

Correct.

Casey was having nightmares. I'm sure the nightmares included the death car.

IMO.Good day, LS. :seeya:

This leads me to believe that she dumped Caylee, then got away from that "d@mn car" ASAP, which would be the 27th, ya think?

imo

[not.another]

You know it, but that boy was smitten from the get go. What is it about Casey that she attracts so many men I wonder.

Hmmmm....I just wonder what he could have seen in her after only just meeting her?

Well, we all know what young men think of at that age. imo - He wanted to get to know her better - if you know what I mean...

[Loves2Read]

Lee seemed to think that what she was trying to say but perhaps that was just him projecting that thought onto her words...personally I think Casey was saying what she thought they wanted to hear and it wasn't said to do anything more than evoke a "poor me" response from her family. Same with her remarks about Cindy always talking down to her and calling Caylee Casey's best mistake. She needed some sympathy from Lee.


ITA very insightful!

[Motomom]

Yes, who on Earth is this "Na-Naw" ?...he must have had the spelling correct as it was a text. That is quite a nickname! It sounds like a typical childhood name for a grandparent or maybe and Auntie or Uncle....I don't recall any MySpace entry, etc. referring to anyone whose name fits that.
I'm intrigued by many things in the WW interview...the "tip" from Ryan whooever...Casey suddenly hanging at his houseand doing her domestic bit..I do think portions of his interview are still being held.
Of course,:rolleyes: The interview with the ever elusive ( apparently Casey hating) JP Chatt isn't one released...too bad as it might help put his name aside once and for all. I don't like saying it, but the exclusion of his interview and Amy's comment that JP never "liked" Casey much leads me to think he must either have some dirt on her in this case or that there IS infact some history there. At least we can assume he is a better judge of character than the other friends.:D
JMO.

I thought it was odd that Amy said that regarding Chatt. She didn't offer up information on the other people like that. Was just weird to me. And I haven't read through all of the docs yet, so his interview wasn't in there?

[jill collins]

I read that last night, who is suppose to be NA-NAW?

Would you please consider changing your nic? Just seeing it is making me sick. Caylee is the angel, you just another person on the Internet with too much time on your hands. Your nic is in very bad taste. Where were you ANGEL when Caylee needed you? Where were you when he "mother" was... Please change your nic.

[Joan Weiss]

You know it, but that boy was smitten from the get go. What is it about Casey that she attracts so many men I wonder.Sexy and easy? imo

[num1barb]

You know it, but that boy was smitten from the get go. What is it about Casey that she attracts so many men I wonder.


She's easy? :shrug:

[Armchairdet]

Well thank goodness in the initial interview they asked her to spell the nanny's name...I'd hate for Baez to have been able to say they weren't even looking for the right person because THEY were spelling it incorrectly, and had never asked Casey.

From the July 16th interview conducted at the Anthony’s home:


Q Okay. And according to your statemente back on August 9th, I’m sorry. Ah, back on June 9th, 2008, you took Caylee to a babysitter’s house?

A Yes

Q And who is this babysitter?

A Her name is Zenaida Fernandez Gonzales.

Q Do you know how to spell the first name?

A Z-E-N-A-I-D-A


I was pretty sure I had heard (read) her spelling it correctly. Thank you.

[tiny paw-prints]

I think GA reported the gas cans stolen to create an erroneous timeline, with proof that he "looked" into the trunk.

Create an erroneous timeline? Why?

George wanted the whittle metal wedgie thingy, remember?

Did he find it?

[GrannyB]

Lee seemed to think that what she was trying to say but perhaps that was just him projecting that thought onto her words...personally I think Casey was saying what she thought they wanted to hear and it wasn't said to do anything more than evoke a "poor me" response from her family. Same with her remarks about Cindy always talking down to her and calling Caylee Casey's best mistake. She needed some sympathy from Lee.


Jesse said he had heard Cindy put Casey down and told her to stop. Explains why Casey dumped Jesse. Cindy would never allow him to tell her what to do. People llike Cindy don't want outsiders to know what goes on in thier family.

[dixielover]

This is a weird question- but how many guys was she sleeping with at one time- it got a little confusing when I was reading the transcript- jmo

[OneUp]

Perhaps u are correct....I was just thinking the defense might try to say something like........ no wonder you could not find her :rolleyes:I would guess that LE would follow up on the invisi-nanny with not only the spelling that CAsey gave them, but other conceivable spellings, possible nicknames, and the name with either/or last name...at least that's how they do it on Tee Vee, LOL
JMO.

[Regina.Lampert]

Create an erroneous timeline? Why?

George wanted the whittle metal wedgie thingy, remember?

Did he find it?

Going by memory here, I believe LE did take a pair of wheel chocks as evidence.

[emanondeeni]

Correct.

Casey was having nightmares. I'm sure the nightmares included the death car.

IMO.

I thought it wasn't nightmares she was having. Tony just awakened and caught her returning to bed after she'd been skulking around looking through everyone's pants pockets for loose change. Too easy for her to say she was having a bad dream. moo

[keybored]

Howdy!

Hope this hasn't been asked and answered (and discussed ad naseum) but I am confused and am hoping someone can answer this...

If Cindy (and George) noticed the smell coming from the trunk when they picked up the car, why did Cindy only freak out during the 3rd 911 call?

I know she overheard Lee and Casey talking, but why didn't she mention the smell during the first 911 call?

TIA

[Shellberry]

I always thought from the beginning she got a rental vehicle for at least two days...for the missing communication days.....

when I read that, I thought, wow....it crossed my mind more than once.

IMO, that cant be ruled out if she paid in STOLEN CASH. IMO, LE has alot of info not made public.

Amy's car
Tony's car
rental

not in that order, but she had wheels to go rent a vehicle, AND cash at one point.

best regards,
Pru
interesting, she would need some way to get around without arousing anymore suspicion in people.

Good question. And just another one I don't have the answer too. I think Casey going from man to man was her looking to feel like she meant something to someone.
I think so too, I think she took a lot of crap from cindy--I bet casey was 'the bad seed kid'-- she also gave a lot of crap.
but in her mind, she needed to belong to someone

Hmmmm....I just wonder what he could have seen in her after only just meeting her?

Well, we all know what young men think of at that age. imo - He wanted to get to know her better - if you know what I mean...
some people like to be liked, I wonder if she had a rep for doing just about anything with a guy...
:shrug::shrug:


imo/jmo/etc

[bluwaters]

Caylee has been gone for 100 days. :(

Please light a Candle for Caylee

click any unlit candle to begin

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

[tiny paw-prints]

You know it, but that boy was smitten from the get go. What is it about Casey that she attracts so many men I wonder.

Maybe it's her perfume? :D

IIRC, sometime during Feb '07 she wrote a MS message to one of her many male friends:

"oh yeah. and condoms=the devil. enough said."

[jbellaj]

here is what sticks out like a sore thumb, IMO:

Lee A states in the interview that the sheds have 'the little padlocks on them'.....

and:

'typically, we dont even keep them locked."

then right after that he says "the shed was broken into'.

what I referred to earlier about Lee A and his laughing: he is giving an account of what Tony told him about taking Casey to the home to get the gas cans....and then he laughs when he remarks, 'he didnt know that she stole them'.

why would GA report them stolen if he was "pretty sure it was casey", per Lee A account of what his dad told him?

if the locks were not 'typically' locked, just turned and clicked, why would Cindy tell this elaborate story about her having the key and her daughter doesnt know where she keeps it?


best regards,
Pru

Hey Pru,
It's been a long morning working and reading these doc's at the same time. I always thought that LA was the level headed one in this cast however IMO he is no better then Casey, Cindy and George. Clearly they ALL do not know how to tell the TRUTH about anything.

LA's story about the gas cans doesn't match dads. Dad said on the 24th Casey came for a change of clothes and GA wanted to get the chucks out of the trunk and Casey gave him a hard time about it and that's when he saw the gas cans.

According to LA, dad knew all along that Casey took them.

CA & GA knew all along what that smell was. They feared one or both of them may have been in the trunk. Once thay got the trunk open and they weren't there is when CA started her own investigation:rolleyes:
She clearly came up with the dead animal story after Amy telling her what Casey told her about the smell.

There's so much of this that is making me dizzy What I did want to get your thoughts on is the laptop. Did you get the feeling that LA was trying to insinuate that someone messed with the laptop before he went to Tony's to pick it up. I'm not PC savvy by any means but because how he went on about the blue screen and yahoo being deleted up to 7/16 and the laptop was just sitting out on the counter. Also making a big deal about Casey's bags being so neatly packed because she wasn't that neat. IMO it sounded like he was trying to shift things to Tony & his roommies:shrug:

Whats your thoughts?

[GrannyB]

Howdy!

Hope this hasn't been asked and answered (and discussed ad naseum) but I am confused and am hoping someone can answer this...

If Cindy (and George) noticed the smell coming from the trunk when they picked up the car, why did Cindy only freak out during the 3rd 911 call?

I know she overheard Lee and Casey talking, but why didn't she mention the smell during the first 911 call?

TIA

It's one of the things that make me think Cindy is the one who should be in jail.

[need2no]

Create an erroneous timeline? Why?

George wanted the whittle metal wedgie thingy, remember?

Did he find it?

and did he in fact rotate the tires......

[Regina.Lampert]

Considering the number of men she went through I think thats a fair statement.

Also, ONE night stands seems to be her M.O.

I think she kept a supply of men available so she would have places to crash, with or without Caylee, while she was pretending to work.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Create an erroneous timeline? Why?

George wanted the whittle metal wedgie thingy, remember?

Did he find it?


We haven't heard the answer to that i don't think. There is something about the day he opened the trunk and says he saw the gas cans. He either lied about that or he may have known something at that time. I can't put my finger on it just yet.

[beetlebrow]

You know it, but that boy was smitten from the get go. What is it about Casey that she attracts so many men I wonder.

I think JG was talking about this. She has the ability to become a camelean (sp?) with every man.....transforming herself into exactly what she thinks they want and adopting their hobbies. This is sociopathic......she actually does not have a unique personality of her own.....she adjusts to get attention. I think WW was next in line to be in the "bullpen" so to speak, in case things did not work out with Tony. JG also said that Casey could not stand to be alone......

[Armchairdet]

We haven't heard the answer to that i don't think. There is something about the day he opened the trunk and says he saw the gas cans. He either lied about that or he may have known something at that time. I can't put my finger on it just yet.

He also at one point said neighbors returned them.

Oh, and Cindy once said there was never a police report about the cans.

Oh yeah, and then he said 50 dollars worth of gas.

But they were small cans.

Then umm...

Yeah, I would say there is a possibility he may have been lying at some point. IMO

[Heyes]

This is a weird question- but how many guys was she sleeping with at one time- it got a little confusing when I was reading the transcript- jmo

Good afternoon.
All the dates, people, shoot, it's a lot confusing. After I finished reading the docs last night I thought I should send a huge bottle of Excedrine to the investigators. They all must have a monster headache every day.

As for your question, I think they all overlapped at some point.
I also noticed that if anyone needed casey's help or tried to make plans with her, she'd wait until the last minute and then cancel with a lie. This chick is toxic!

[Joan Weiss]

ITA, I really wonder though knowing what we know now with the doc. if G&C take the stand if they will take the chance and lie, can parents take the 5th?They cannot take the fifth to protect Casey. They can only take it to protect themselves. imo

[Loves2Read]

I thought it wasn't nightmares she was having. Tony just awakened and caught her returning to bed after she'd been skulking around looking through everyone's pants pockets for loose change. Too easy for her to say she was having a bad dream. moo

OMG! :lol: I had the same thought.... I mean we know she loves nothing better than spending other people's money and if they don't know she has it.... even better!:D

[Dogmatic]

You know it, but that boy was smitten from the get go. What is it about Casey that she attracts so many men I wonder.

Most men are attracted to women that are thin and that are willing to have sex. Don't know if that applies here, but it may

[luvinlife]

Create an erroneous timeline? Why?

George wanted the whittle metal wedgie thingy, remember?

Did he find it?


IMO I don't think he ever wanted the wedge thingys, he just wanted proof that Casey stolen the gas cans and used that as an excuse. I have done this myself to catch someone in a lie.

[not.another]

I thought it wasn't nightmares she was having. Tony just awakened and caught her returning to bed after she'd been skulking around looking through everyone's pants pockets for loose change. Too easy for her to say she was having a bad dream. moo

I don't remember this. Where did you hear it (read it)?

[emanondeeni]

That's a question I have been wondering about myself! Who is the guy? I have a feeling it wasn't Tony since he never talked about it in the interviews and IMO he seems very forthcoming. IMO if it had been a Jeep pickup it would have stood out and have been talked about either by the people talking about Tony's Jeep or by the next door guy when he spoke of the truck.

Is this pickup truck guy sighting why there's speculation about an accomplice?

[beetlebrow]

Good day, LS. :seeya:

This leads me to believe that she dumped Caylee, then got away from that "d@mn car" ASAP, which would be the 27th, ya think?

imo

BUT.....I wonder how much she actually had to drive her car between 6/16 and 6/27???. She was staying at Tonys full time.

[Joan Weiss]

Create an erroneous timeline? Why?

George wanted the whittle metal wedgie thingy, remember?

Did he find it?That has never been revealed. imo

[Armchairdet]

OMG! :lol: I had the same thought.... I mean we know she loves nothing better than spending other people's money and if they don't know she has it.... even better!:D



I bet she is one of those that if you gave her a twenty to run into the store and get you each a soda, comes back with 2 sodas and no change to offer up.

[GrannyB]

Me too, or it was at that time, just as she was making the call, she actually found out what had been in the car.

I think she knew before she made the first call. I think the call was just Cindy trying to control Casey again.

[Joan Weiss]

Considering the number of men she went through I think thats a fair statement.

Also, ONE night stands seems to be her M.O.Oh, not so desirable
after all?

[emanondeeni]

I don't remember this. Where did you hear it (read it)?

IRRC the nightmare/dreams is in Tony's statement.

[Joan Weiss]

We haven't heard the answer to that i don't think. There is something about the day he opened the trunk and says he saw the gas cans. He either lied about that or he may have known something at that time. I can't put my finger on it just yet.In Lee's interview, he says Casey got them out and threw them towards George, mouthing some tasty curses, IIRC.

[tiny paw-prints]

and did he in fact rotate the tires......

Did GA rotate Cynthia's tires the following weekend? I dunno!

I just want to know if he found the metal wedge!

Maybe he was too *stunned* to remember he was looking for those when he found the f'g gas cans, before Cynthia pinched his leg during Greta's interview...

[GrannyB]

So he could say he saw Casey and the car and the trunk, when in fact, he had already helped her dispose of the body?

I do believe he helped someone.

[Rebel Rouzer]

He also at one point said neighbors returned them.

Oh, and Cindy once said there was never a police report about the cans.

Oh yeah, and then he said 50 dollars worth of gas.

But they were small cans.

Then umm...

Yeah, I would say there is a possibility he may have been lying at some point. IMO

I think he smelled something on the day he says he saw the gas cans. It wasn't as strong as it was when they got the car from the tow yard. I don't think but I think he smelled something at that time. Came up with gas can story so he could say he didn't smell anything but gas? Maybe? What do you think?

I'm just wondering why the lie abotu that. Is it because if he told what he knew or smelled at tha point it would help with the case against Casey?

[Joan Weiss]

I bet she is one of those that if you gave her a twenty to run into the store and get you each a soda, comes back with 2 sodas and no change to offer up.Heee...I've run into people like that...

[kitty1182]

At the risk of being off topic... I like her nic. Makes me think good thoughts while I post about a murderer.

And that's a good thing. :)

On topic... I believe George lied about seeing Casey on the 24th of June.

And if he didn't lie about seeing her on the 24th of June... he lied when he said there was no death smell coming from the car.

Either way... George lied. I have no doubt about that.

IMO.


I like her nic too...IMO GA did lie..

[Rebel Rouzer]

In Lee's interview, he says Casey got them out and threw them towards George, mouthing some tasty curses, IIRC.

I think Casey had Caylee in there at that time hidden under something or in something. That's why she got so angry IF we believe Lee that is. It is so hard to tell what to believe from any of tem and what not to believe.

[Regina.Lampert]

I think he smelled something on the day he says he saw the gas cans. It wasn't as strong as it was when they got the car from the tow yard. I don't think but I think he smelled something at that time. Came up with gas can story so he could say he didn't smell anything but gas? Maybe? What do you think?

I'm just wondering why the lie abotu that. Is it because if he told what he knew or smelled at tha point it would help with the case against Casey?

RR, that's a good point about the gas odor. I believe there is something more to this gas can story too, just can't put my finger on it. But we do know, that shortly after this close call with george is when casey anthony abandoned the car at Amscot.

[beetlebrow]

Is this pickup truck guy sighting why there's speculation about an accomplice?

No there was speculation before this because Casey is/was lazy and because of her need to be with a man as much as possible :shrug:IMO.
This definetly adds fuel to the fire. I wish BB was more reliable.....I think GA scared BB when he knocked on his door to hand him a flyer and said "so your the one that reported the shovel"......:chicken:

[jbellaj]

In Lee's interview, he says Casey got them out and threw them towards George, mouthing some tasty curses, IIRC.


Exactly and what I don't get is this. All 3 of them get on network shows and tell these stories that differ so much from the statements that were made to LE. Did they really think that all of this stuff wasn't going to come out eventually? JMO

[JanDoe]

.

Does anyone know when Casey will appear in court on the charges
that she faces at this time???

[GrannyB]

I like her nic too...IMO GA did lie..


George lies, Cindy lies, Casey lies, Lee lies. I wish there was a nanny or a daddy who loved Caylee and had kidnapped her from this horrible bunch of people. I'd give him or her a medal. :flamemad:

[Rebel Rouzer]

At the risk of being off topic... I like her nic. Makes me think good thoughts while I post about a murderer.

And that's a good thing. :)

On topic... I believe George lied about seeing Casey on the 24th of June.

And if he didn't lie about seeing her on the 24th of June... he lied when he said there was no death smell coming from the car.

Either way... George lied. I have no doubt about that.

IMO.


Right. I don't think he got to LOOK in the trunk but I think he did smell something that day and LIED about that situation because it would incriminate Casey even more. At least that is what i am thinking at this time with what we know.

Good to see ya Landie. :seeya:

[trich]

Most men are attracted to women that are thin and that are willing to have sex. Don't know if that applies here, but it may

I think the only man that Casey was with that was serious about her was Jessie.
Saying that I agree if a female is willing to have sex with them , fix them a meal once in awhile and clean their house/apartment that is all some men need as incentive to keep that woman around.
Tony certainly was not serius about her...I think that is quite obvious.

It is a sad statement I know..but alot of guys are just out for what they can get.

[not.another]

I don't recall Tony saying anything about Casey being up & walking around.

What Tony did say is he woke up & Casey was sweating in bed & she claimed to be having nightmares about their relationship. He said it happened two to four times.
That's what I read too. I didn't see anything about her going through pants pockets. :shrug:

[num1barb]

I think Casey had Caylee in there at that time hidden under something or in something. That's why she got so angry IF we believe Lee that is. It is so hard to tell what to believe from any of tem and what not to believe.

ITA. I believe Caylee was wrapped in trash bags and stuffed into the spare tire well. George wouldn't have SEEN her, but he would have smelled her. The interior of that car is black, if you put something in a black bag and hid it in the spare tire well, I would think that it wouldn't be immediately visible to someone looking in the trunk.

[GrannyB]

RR, that's a good point about the gas odor. I believe there is something more to this gas can story too, just can't put my finger on it. But we do know, that shortly after this close call with george is when casey anthony abandoned the car at Amscot.

I thought the gas cans were in June?

[steffaroob4]

I don't think GA smelled anything on the 24th, I think she rushed and got the cans, I think as she shoved him at him, he told her he reported them to LE as stolen and if she ever took the cans again he would press charges on her for thefts. She may have stolen gas from them the week before when she ran out then, then the next week she came and broke the lock and took the gas cans when Tony drove her to the house.

At least we know that gas can theft and the shovel request was 2 seperate times, with Tony's interview.

[tiny paw-prints]

I would love to know who gave the tip.

Me too! I think it's odd that LE found a gun and a teddy bear...maybe George was pretending to go bear hunting while searching for Caylee?

[Regina.Lampert]

I thought the gas cans were in June?

Yes, June 24th iirc.

[Loves2Read]

I don't recall Tony saying anything about Casey being up & walking around.

What Tony did say is he woke up & Casey was sweating in bed & she claimed to be having nightmares about their relationship. He said it happened two to four times.

Well LandShark, his statement did say that. I was agreeing with emanon's opinion that Casey might have been sweaty from running around hunting for money. She might have woken him up when she got into bed and then told him that she was blah blah blah (technical Casey speak for lies).

JMO

[num1barb]

I thought the gas cans were in June?


Yes, June 24th per george on Greta. The car was first noticed at Amscot by employees on June 27th and they had it towed on June 30th. anythonys didn't pick it up from the tow yard until July.

[beetlebrow]

Would you please consider changing your nic? Just seeing it is making me sick. Caylee is the angel, you just another person on the Internet with too much time on your hands. Your nic is in very bad taste. Where were you ANGEL when Caylee needed you? Where were you when he "mother" was... Please change your nic.

OMG.....Her nic is wonderful.....there are many types of angels and many types of beliefs. We are all hear searching for the truth about what happened to Caylee so IMO, we are all Caylee's angels.

I

[JanDoe]

I think there is a preliminary hearing scheduled for November 4th & the trial date is set for November 17th.

Thank you.....the sooner they get her locked-up for the crimes they
can prove...the better. This has, and continues, to be a circus.

[GrannyB]

Cindy goes with Amy to TonE's house, and if YOU had not seen or talked to you granddaughter for over 30 days, would you not be more CONCERNED about her, than telling TonE et al about Casey stealing?????????????? TonE said not ONCE did Cindy ask them if they SAW Caylee. I think most of us here would not be even interested in MONEY if our granddaugter was a.missing and b. the car hidden in the garage smelled "like a damn body".
Cindy cared more about finding the theif and letting TonE know she was a theif, than finding Caylee. She did not even care enough to see if Caylee's toys were there.


You brought up a great point. I haven't heard anyone say Cindy asked them if they had seen Caylee. That would be the first thing I would ask anyone of the people who were around Casey.

[kitty1182]

George lies, Cindy lies, Casey lies, Lee lies. I wish there was a nanny or a daddy who loved Caylee and had kidnapped her from this horrible bunch of people. I'd give him or her a medal. :flamemad:

I would too Granny:(

If she had really given this child to someone she would be in front of every TV camera she could get in front of and BEG for her return..But no, she did not do this..Why? IMO she knows Caylee can never be bought back after what she did to her....:mad:

[jbellaj]

EXCUSE ME? ummmm that would be a no.


It's a wonderful nic......

:rose: for Caylee

[EGirl]

Would you please consider changing your nic? Just seeing it is making me sick. Caylee is the angel, you just another person on the Internet with too much time on your hands. Your nic is in very bad taste. Where were you ANGEL when Caylee needed you? Where were you when he "mother" was... Please change your nic.



:no: If this is your beef then I would submit that you are the one with too much time on your hands.

[GrannyB]

George drove that car from the tow yard!

Imagine that.

Why was Cindy arguing about the tow bill when the car STUNK like death.

Goes along with her grabbing money from Casey's purse when it was dumped on the floor.

[Rayosunshine]

Someone posted they are not going to release them because there are too many numbers to black out. I wanted to see all the text and calls.


Wonder if FOIA makes the documents available only to those that filed for them, or does that include the public? There's a Sunshine act, not sure what that is.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[need2no]

Cindy goes with Amy to TonE's house, and if YOU had not seen or talked to you granddaughter for over 30 days, would you not be more CONCERNED about her, than telling TonE et al about Casey stealing?????????????? TonE said not ONCE did Cindy ask them if they SAW Caylee. I think most of us here would not be even interested in MONEY if our granddaugter was a.missing and b. the car hidden in the garage smelled "like a damn body".

Cindy cared more about finding the theif and letting TonE know she was a theif, than finding Caylee. She did not even care enough to see if Caylee's toys were there.

Thank you!

I would have asked TonE
1) If Caylee was there 2) did he know where she was 3) when was the last time he saw her

D*mn, shouldn't this have been her #1 priority and concern????????

[kitty1182]

EXCUSE ME? ummmm that would be a no.

I like your nic..:seeya:

[tiny paw-prints]

BUT.....I wonder how much she actually had to drive her car between 6/16 and 6/27???. She was staying at Tonys full time.

Casey abandoned the Pontiac on 6/27. She did borrow Tony's jeep from 6/30-7/5 while he was in NY. I think she could have been trying to retrieve the Pontiac from the tow yard when she borrowed $80 from Amy on 7/2? She did borrow Amy's new car from 7/8 to 7/15.

[Rayosunshine]

I read where people are ordering them from kinkos====$54.95 :eek:

I'd pay that, if it included everything.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[not.another]

I agree that guys like to get what they can.... and all of that... but most guys don't just let a girl stay w/them almost immediately and every single night and day... especially ones that have kids. And didn't these guys ever wonder why she didn't spend any evenings w/her kid??? Even some guys who are only after sex would care about the kid too... or be looking for a way to get a night away from their new 'friend'.

Well, Casey always seemed to have an excuse didn't she? Caylee's with the nanny at the beach, at Disney, at Seaworld....
Tone did ask as did others but there were always excuses. And, iirc it was only a short period of time that she stayed overnights with him and then he was out of town. I don't know about after he came back though. I'd have to check his transcripts.

[happy2bme]

I don't remember this. Where did you hear it (read it)?


It's page 4 of AL statement. He said she was sweating and said she had a nightmare. It was about their relationship. He stated it had happened about 3 or 4 times.

[beetlebrow]

I agree that guys like to get what they can.... and all of that... but most guys don't just let a girl stay w/them almost immediately and every single night and day... especially ones that have kids. And didn't these guys ever wonder why she didn't spend any evenings w/her kid??? Even some guys who are only after sex would care about the kid too... or be looking for a way to get a night away from their new 'friend'.


IMO.....guys are often dense (sorry). These guys were young and really did not know about taking care of a child. Michelle noticed right away that something was wrong and she had just met Casey.

[Armchairdet]

I think he smelled something on the day he says he saw the gas cans. It wasn't as strong as it was when they got the car from the tow yard. I don't think but I think he smelled something at that time. Came up with gas can story so he could say he didn't smell anything but gas? Maybe? What do you think?

I'm just wondering why the lie abotu that. Is it because if he told what he knew or smelled at tha point it would help with the case against Casey?



I don't know what to think. I am leaning toward he made up the story so he could say he didn't smell anything because he decided that was a more productive story than his original story that the neighbors confessed to the theft. I think he made up the story about the neighbors confessing because at the time he thought that story was productive because it did not point the finger at Casey stealing gas cans. Hey, how about that. I guess I do know what I think. LOL

[GrannyB]

I think the day that G&C left the jail and the reporter asked them about a dead body in the car, George jumped all over that guy because he knew the truth, I think they knew the truth the day Casey came home. ALONE

I've noticed that most liars get really mad if you don't believe their lies.

[Velouria]

:no: If this is your beef then I would submit that you are the one with too much time on your hands.


Agreed. Her nic doesn't appear to violate TOS in any way, and it's always on topic.

[kOOkie1]

I think the day that G&C left the jail and the reporter asked them about a dead body in the car, George jumped all over that guy because he knew the truth, I think they knew the truth the day Casey came home. ALONE
..Im still trying to figure out how the heck they cleaned that car out..I cant even imagine how they were composed enough to do it! (jmo)

[Rayosunshine]

Fox News just said they will be talking about messages between family members today. Not fair they have them and we don't. Guess Fox will be on my tv rest of the day. They made it sound like it will be slowly all day not all at one time.

It's all a part of the ratings game.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Armchairdet]

I've noticed that most liars get really mad if you don't believe their lies.

I knew someone that would try to bully people into believing their lies when confronted. IMO

[jbellaj]

I think the day that G&C left the jail and the reporter asked them about a dead body in the car, George jumped all over that guy because he knew the truth, I think they knew the truth the day Casey came home. ALONE


I totally agree with you. It is what it is and no matter how they want to try and spin it Caylee is gone and it's Casey's fault...spiteful. JMO

[dixielover]

Did LE ask LA about the things being deleted from the computer or did LA just start talking about that to LE.

My uncle (FBI) states - tells us that if something happens and were are questioned- just keep our mouth shut. He stated the most common errors that a criminal makes is talking too much and becoming very detailed and people who cover will tell you things that you don't even ask about. Like LA and the computer screen and the computer virus-there is probably a whole list. imo

[GrannyB]

I don't know what to think. I am leaning toward he made up the story so he could say he didn't smell anything because he decided that was a more productive story than his original story that the neighbors confessed to the theft. I think he made up the story about the neighbors confessing because at the time he thought that story was productive because it did not point the finger at Casey stealing gas cans. Hey, how about that. I guess I do know what I think. LOL

I thought he said he suspected a neighbor. I don't see how the Anthony's can keep up with all their lies.

[happy2bme]

I agree that guys like to get what they can.... and all of that... but most guys don't just let a girl stay w/them almost immediately and every single night and day... especially ones that have kids. And didn't these guys ever wonder why she didn't spend any evenings w/her kid??? Even some guys who are only after sex would care about the kid too... or be looking for a way to get a night away from their new 'friend'.

I believe in the first 400 doc. Tone, IIRC said he didn't think much of it because she was a young mother and didn't want her child to be around people coming in and out.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Yes, June 24th iirc.

Right and she dumped the car the 27th. So I'm thinking she dumped Caylee somewhere between the 24th and 27th of June. She killed her the night of the 15th or the day of the 16th. IMO I'm thinking more towards the night of the 15th pretends to leave with her the 16th. I believe she placed her in the back yard the night of the 15th or 16th. Borrowed neighbors shovel the 18th Placed Caylee in the car. Drove around with her decomposing until she dumped her and then dumped the car. Between the 24th and 27th.

IMO at this time with the Caviat I may change my opinion later. :)

[emanondeeni]

No there was speculation before this because Casey is/was lazy and because of her need to be with a man as much as possible :shrug:IMO.
This definetly adds fuel to the fire. I wish BB was more reliable.....I think GA scared BB when he knocked on his door to hand him a flyer and said "so your the one that reported the shovel"......:chicken:


George is a pretty scary man when he's angry and I agree his talking to him like that probably did intimidate him. I mean, look at Cindy going to the tow yard and asking the friends not to talk to police and threatening not to cooperate if LE goes to the AL to talk to the GGP...seems no one in that family has a problem with intimidation. moo

Then there is the washing of Tony's car. Was that done because she had driven somewhere out in the dirt or mud to check on something?

[texasgal]

EXCUSE ME? ummmm that would be a no.


:D .. I like your nic also!

Caylee :rose:

[Shellberry]

RR, that's a good point about the gas odor. I believe there is something more to this gas can story too, just can't put my finger on it. But we do know, that shortly after this close call with george is when casey anthony abandoned the car at Amscot.
ok so the 23rd or 24th of june is when the shed was broken into.
lee says the shed wasnt locked-maybe she broke into the shed, stole gas a week or so before, they knew it was casey--they started locking it.

Exactly and what I don't get is this. All 3 of them get on network shows and tell these stories that differ so much from the statements that were made to LE. Did they really think that all of this stuff wasn't going to come out eventually? JMO I bet they didnt think things would go this far, that casey would say where caylee was.
or admit to an accidental/other death.



I agree that guys like to get what they can.... and all of that... but most guys don't just let a girl stay w/them almost immediately and every single night and day... especially ones that have kids. And didn't these guys ever wonder why she didn't spend any evenings w/her kid??? Even some guys who are only after sex would care about the kid too... or be looking for a way to get a night away from their new 'friend'.
I bet casey has a 'easy going' rep... who knows what she made herself into to make guys 'fall' for her.
maybe in the beginning she never told any of them that she had a child, or was a single mother living at home.
Cindy goes with Amy to TonE's house, and if YOU had not seen or talked to you granddaughter for over 30 days, would you not be more CONCERNED about her, than telling TonE et al about Casey stealing?????????????? TonE said not ONCE did Cindy ask them if they SAW Caylee. I think most of us here would not be even interested in MONEY if our granddaugter was a.missing and b. the car hidden in the garage smelled "like a damn body".

Cindy cared more about finding the theif and letting TonE know she was a theif, than finding Caylee. She did not even care enough to see if Caylee's toys were there.
I think they/she didnt realize that casey may have actually done something to caylee.
who could? who could imagine their child hurting their grandchild?

about the smell-she probably came up with some story, and they believed her, because, maybe they always just do...:shrug:

'it was a squirrel, remember dad hit one?'
'I only borrowed your credit card because caylee needed something, I told you that, remember?'


imo/jmo

[jbellaj]

Wonder if FOIA makes the documents available only to those that filed for them, or does that include the public? There's a Sunshine act, not sure what that is.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

It's my understanding that FOIA is for anyone in the public to have access to any public documents with exception of minors. :shrug:

[GrannyB]

Did LE ask LA about the things being deleted from the computer or did LA just start talking about that to LE.

My uncle (FBI) states - tells us that if something happens and were are questioned- just keep our mouth shut. He stated the most common errors that a criminal makes is talking too much and becoming very detailed and people who cover will tell you things that you don't even ask about. Like LA and the computer screen and the computer virus-there is probably a whole list. imo

The Anthony's are proving your Uncle to be correct.

[Rayosunshine]

Sounds like MRSA....

Did anyone else notice that in more than one of the interviews, the nanny's name was spelled ZENITA????. I seem to recall Cindy talking to reporters early on and saying that LE is not even spelling her name correctly.

I googled many different forms of this name but I never tried Zenita Fernandez/Gonzalez.........of course I still don't think a nanny exists but.....hmmm

I noticed that "Zenita". Wasn't it Ricardo that provided the spelling? Wonder if they ever looked for someone with that name?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[happy2bme]

As well the answer should be. :) And I'm not really a Land Shark but here I am. ;)

What did you think about Lee talking about Casey saying she did a 'stakeout' in the death car? He says there is no way he could have sat in that car for one minute let alone hours.

And he mentioned he couldn't believe Casey would subject Caylee to that smell as well.

Paraphrased, of course.

Didn't he say he had to keep leaving the garage because the smell was sooo bad.

[num1barb]

Thank you!

I would have asked TonE
1) If Caylee was there 2) did he know where she was 3) when was the last time he saw her

D*mn, shouldn't this have been her #1 priority and concern????????


Should have been. But apparently money is more important to cindy anthony than finding her granddaughter. Witness the money grab, trust fund, setting up the table ar Publix regularly, etc. Go figure!
Personally, I would have asked the same things you would have.

[beetlebrow]

Casey abandoned the Pontiac on 6/27. She did borrow Tony's jeep from 6/30-7/5 while he was in NY. I think she could have been trying to retrieve the Pontiac from the tow yard when she borrowed $80 from Amy on 7/2? She did borrow Amy's new car from 7/8 to 7/15.

I don't think she wanted her car back as evidenced by her talking about getting a rental car. She would have to find which tow yard and then pay a huge fee.

[emanondeeni]

The above, and Lee telling the LE that Cindy took 200 dollars, is the only truthful thing we will hear from the Anthony's I am afraid.

Wasn't that Amy's $200 bucks? I thought I read that on 7-15 Casey cashed one of Amy's checks for $250.00. I think Cindy took Amy's money technically. jmo

[Armchairdet]

I thought he said he suspected a neighbor. I don't see how the Anthony's can keep up with all their lies.

I am almost sure I heard he said they returned it. Or someone said it. But don't count on my memory. I can't keep up with the lies either.

[jbellaj]

yes, "thou doth protest too much"


ummmm, that's what I get from CA & GA everytime that have been confronted on issues. They break out the hammer JMO

[Rayosunshine]

Didn't Tony say in his interview that he drove Casey to pick the gas cans up somewhere around the 20th?

Not sure of the date, but I am sure he did say he drove Casey to get the cans.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[beetlebrow]

George is a pretty scary man when he's angry and I agree his talking to him like that probably did intimidate him. I mean, look at Cindy going to the tow yard and asking the friends not to talk to police and threatening not to cooperate if LE goes to the AL to talk to the GGP...seems no one in that family has a problem with intimidation. moo

Then there is the washing of Tony's car. Was that done because she had driven somewhere out in the dirt or mud to check on something?

I thought she did it to impress Tony but LE sure seemed interested in it!!

[Mandysmom]

I noticed that "Zenita". Wasn't it Ricardo that provided the spelling? Wonder if they ever looked for someone with that name?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

It was Casey herself who provided the spelling and it was Zenaida.

:)

[Rebel Rouzer]

Wasn't that Amy's $200 bucks? I thought I read that on 7-15 Casey cashed one of Amy's checks for $250.00. I think Cindy took Amy's money technically. jmo

I'm still baffled by the fact that she would be thinking of the money at a time like that? :confused:

[OneUp]

I don't recall Tony saying anything about Casey being up & walking around.

What Tony did say is he woke up & Casey was sweating in bed & she claimed to be having nightmares about their relationship. He said it happened two to four times.I would like to know the approximate dates on the nightmares...I wonder if perhaps they came shortly after nearly getting caught by George when he went to retrieve the Gas cans. Maybe her nightmares were of getting busted by the smell or by someone opening the trunk? This may have been THE thing that led her to abandon her car at the Amscot.
If the cursing at George/gas can return was around the 24th, & the car was abandoned on the 27th ( maybe late the night before)...that is three nights to suffer that fear and possibly other nights until the car was towed that she feared being caught. I'd bet Caylee was dumped between the gas cans being returned and the car being abandoned...I think Casey would ignore things until she was "feeling the heat" and put off dealing with it. That is her normal M.O.
JMO...if the dates fit.

[GrannyB]

I don't think she wanted her car back as evidenced by her talking about getting a rental car. She would have to find which tow yard and then pay a huge fee.

How do we know she didn't tell George about the car and he told her he would pick it up when he could or he purposely left it where it was so it would be towed. There are so many unanswered questions and everytime an Anthony opens their mouth it adds more.

[Dogmatic]

ok so the 23rd or 24th of june is when the shed was broken into.
lee says the shed wasnt locked-maybe she broke into the shed, stole gas a week or so before, they knew it was casey--they started locking it.

I bet they didnt think things would go this far, that casey would say where caylee was.
or admit to an accidental/other death.




I bet casey has a 'easy going' rep... who knows what she made herself into to make guys 'fall' for her.
maybe in the beginning she never told any of them that she had a child, or was a single mother living at home.

I think they/she didnt realize that casey may have actually done something to caylee.
who could? who could imagine their child hurting their grandchild?

about the smell-she probably came up with some story, and they believed her, because, maybe they always just do...:shrug:

'it was a squirrel, remember dad hit one?'
'I only borrowed your credit card because caylee needed something, I told you that, remember?'


imo/jmo



ok, so my question is this:

when did casey bury Caylee in the back yard? And then when did she remove her?

when did she borrow the shovel?

[koawally]

As well the answer should be. :) And I'm not really a Land Shark but here I am. ;)

What did you think about Lee talking about Casey saying she did a 'stakeout' in the death car? He says there is no way he could have sat in that car for one minute let alone hours.

And he mentioned he couldn't believe Casey would subject Caylee to that smell as well.

Paraphrased, of course.

I'm so troubled by Lee's remarks Re:the supposed 2 day stakeout Casey was on outside the vacant apt waiting in that car for Zani and Caylee to show up.
How ridiculous Casey NEVER went home or even entertained the possibility of thought that...Zani Nani took Caylee HOME...GP's house...That was after all Caylee's home.

[Rayosunshine]

Question. Is it me or is the handwriting on the calendar for the car being towed and being at Amscot. Look like Casey's handwriting?

I noticed that also.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[kOOkie1]

ok, so my question is this:

when did casey bury Caylee in the back yard? And then when did she remove her?

when did she borrow the shovel?
..Didnt BB state that at least 2 out of the 3 times he noticed her at the house the car was backed it?

[koawally]

ok, so my question is this:

when did casey bury Caylee in the back yard? And then when did she remove her?

when did she borrow the shovel?

shovel was borrowed 17 or 18th

[Joan Weiss]

Maybe it's her perfume? :D

IIRC, sometime during Feb '07 she wrote a MS message to one of her many male friends:

"oh yeah. and condoms=the devil. enough said."Seems to me that would turn off a lot of guys. :chicken:

[msjoni]

I'd pay that, if it included everything.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

I saw that on WS, it includes everything and if you want it electronically processed its $497.00!

[Rayosunshine]

I thought it was odd that Amy said that regarding Chatt. She didn't offer up information on the other people like that. Was just weird to me. And I haven't read through all of the docs yet, so his interview wasn't in there?

Agreed. Made me think Amy was being a little too defensive.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[NikkiG77508]

As well the answer should be. :) And I'm not really a Land Shark but here I am. ;)

What did you think about Lee talking about Casey saying she did a 'stakeout' in the death car? He says there is no way he could have sat in that car for one minute let alone hours.

And he mentioned he couldn't believe Casey would subject Caylee to that smell as well.

Paraphrased, of course.

I think Lee was being honest about the conversation but he knew Casey was full of it. IMO, the police, too, knew this was ABSOLUTELY false. (the stake-out)
I am not so sure about the rest of the Anthony family but I really think Lee did a great job being open and honest. I'm not necessarily saying he has told everything he knows but I think his statement was pretty straight forward. :seeya:

[GrannyB]

Well.... Cindy told the truth when she told Amy 'you'll never see that money again.'

Can you believe this crap?

Cindy basically stole Amy's money from Casey.

While the police were in the house!

This family.... I can't find the unbannable words for them. :shrug:

Maybe if we asked CW real nice she would let up have say 1 hour to post all the things we would like to call the Anthony's? Naw that probably wouldn't be nice. But it sure would feel good.

[Shellberry]

The Anthony's are proving your Uncle to be correct.
ITA lee did exactly what casey did in her interview when that analysts said that she gave up too much info, meaning she was lying.
that is exactly what lee did!

too much info on certain things.

I think he is involved by deleting some of her online tracks and receipts.
I think she spilled more than he said in his taped interview.
ok, so my question is this:

when did casey bury Caylee in the back yard? And then when did she remove her?

when did she borrow the shovel?
:shrug:
your guess is as good as mine.

maybe she didnt actually bury her-it would have been too hard.
we can go back to the playhouse theory, saying she hid her in there for a bit until she took her elsewhere.


imo/jmo/etc

[Regina.Lampert]

Right and she dumped the car the 27th. So I'm thinking she dumped Caylee somewhere between the 24th and 27th of June. She killed her the night of the 15th or the day of the 16th. IMO I'm thinking more towards the night of the 15th pretends to leave with her the 16th. I believe she placed her in the back yard the night of the 15th or 16th. Borrowed neighbors shovel the 18th Placed Caylee in the car. Drove around with her decomposing until she dumped her and then dumped the car. Between the 24th and 27th.

IMO at this time with the Caviat I may change my opinion later. :)

Wow, that's quite a bit of time for the body to be in her car. Without going into too much detail, I don't think the remains would be in very good shape for her to handle. This is all so nauseating, just thinking about the logistics of moving a dead body.

I hope LE can pinpoint the actual date she disposed of the remains thru her cell phone usage.

[jbellaj]

I don't believe for a second that Caylee ever smelled the car. And I think that family knows that Caylee was the cause of the smell. :(

I think a lot of what Lee said in his statement is going to come back to haunt them, there is no way he can take it back or say he was misunderstood.

ITA .... It also seems to me that Lee was trying to shift some doubt towards Tony's place when HE brought up about the laptop having a blue screen etc. Seems like a lot of talk about that but I do not recall LE asking him.

IMO All of their statements are going to come back and bite them...hence CA & GA hired an attorney of their own.

[Loves2Read]

ok, so my question is this:

when did casey bury Caylee in the back yard? And then when did she remove her?

when did she borrow the shovel?

I think if you read the statement from the man next door to the Anthony's you might find it helpful. (he was the one she borrowed the shovel from) He sees her coming and going and in specific he saw her in a pickup with a brown haired guy and they backed the truck all the way into the garage just like she had done a few times right around the day she borrowed the shovel. Maybe she had help and he narrows down the dates. It was very interesting.

[Joan Weiss]

I think JG was talking about this. She has the ability to become a camelean (sp?) with every man.....transforming herself into exactly what she thinks they want and adopting their hobbies. This is sociopathic......she actually does not have a unique personality of her own.....she adjusts to get attention. I think WW was next in line to be in the "bullpen" so to speak, in case things did not work out with Tony. JG also said that Casey could not stand to be alone......IIRC, someone on NG said it was normal behavior for a woman (or a guy, imo) to assimilate herself into a guy's life by doing this; ie; transforming herself...:confused:

[Rebel Rouzer]

Well Cindy probably thought whats good for the goose is good for the gander. I was more curious to why the LE that was there, the woman Lee went to school with, snatched the ID from Cindy.

Maybe the officer recognized it was a fake ID right away or it could have been an ID card for Caylee.
I had those for my children? We don't know what type of ID it was yet. :shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

I'm still baffled by the fact that she would be thinking of the money at a time like that? :confused:


Hey, it blows my mind too.

:(

[happy2bme]

Anyone catch this from AL statement pg 19

One of the times Casey couldn't stay out.

He stated that Casey told him everytime she went out her mom had Caylee.

Okay when did she start using the nanny excuse?

I know I didn't word this too great ...forgive me.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Cindy and George CLEANING that car NEVER made any sense to me, and the further we go in the case, that thought only increases.

If the child is missing, and the abandoned car smells SO strongly of death, the Police are coming, WHY in the h*ll would anyone even think to CLEAN the car.

Why would anyone risk incrimination by tampering with that evidence.

If they had just left it, as it was, to be tested, it would have solved the case sooner. But oh no, they were in there, cleaning, detailing, washing items, moving things around.

It just has NEVER made sense to me AT all.

I agree. It seems they were willing to protect Casey from the very beginning and worried about that moreso than finding out what happened to Caylee and her location.

[Shellberry]

Wow, that's quite a bit of time for the body to be in her car. Without going into too much detail, I don't think the remains would be in very good shape for her to handle. This is all so nauseating, just thinking about the logistics of moving a dead body.

I hope LE can pinpoint the actual date she disposed of the remains thru her cell phone usage.

there was recently a case where a mother killed her child and left him in the car from may until july when she finally admitted it.
she drove around with him in the trunk the entire time.
she had other kids I believe that rode in the car as well.
as far as I know though-no one complained of a smell coming from the car.
I believe this was in GA.


I think if caylee was in a bag or something, it would be messy--but not as bad as if she werent in something.
Im thinking a duffel bag of some sort or garbage bags.

imo/jmo

[kakax]

Thats right.

Im a Grandma too, and HOW could she NOT ask about Caylee.

Why would Cindy take the time and energy to tell a guy 'hope your rich b/c she will take you for everything' bla bla to which I think Casey told her to shut up? if I have that right.. and not ask when is the last time ANYONE saw Caylee.

Money can be replaced, children can not.




This family never ceases to amaze me....unbelievable. Can you imagine your mother saying that to your boyfriend? And after you had smelled death?

I think Cindy can't control herself. She spouts out whatever horrible thing comes to mind. She did it with Jesse, too.

[SavannahStar]

It was Casey herself who provided the spelling and it was Zenaida.

:)


Yes, I recall that as well. And she spelled the entire name.

[Joan Weiss]

I think Casey had Caylee in there at that time hidden under something or in something. That's why she got so angry IF we believe Lee that is. It is so hard to tell what to believe from any of tem and what not to believe.Yes, Rebel. My thoughts exactly. :seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

I believe Tony said the nightmares began on or around July 5th.

Not sure though.

But wasn't Tony gone the week before that?

[need2no]

It is amazing what a goldmine of information Lee was and didnt even realize. I guess he really did believe that this was all going to be straightened out in the end and Caylee found. No wonder he is so angry now, he knows he is the nails in Casey's coffin.

Don't smack me too hard for this (it's not well thought out) but......suppose Lee wants to see them all go down. Casey because she murdered his niece, and his parents for whatever ill will and hard feelings they have between them. Meanwhile Lee takes over the home, cars, etc, (unless of course they all have to be sold to pay attorney fees). Maternal Grandparents who are up in years pass on and Lee is the sole heir, or at least one of the primary heirs. His parents only have to serve a few years but this will still put Lee ahead of the game financially, and be 'his' form of revenge, which isn't as bad as Casey's. He and his fiance and baby move into the family home while Lee writes a best selling family biography for a little extra revenge and a big financial windfall.


>ducking here< :chicken:

[Shellberry]

Maybe the officer recognized it was a fake ID right away or it could have been an ID card for Caylee.
I had those for my children? We don't know what type of ID it was yet. :shrug:

lee said it looked to him like a learners permit for driving-some kind of white paper-then he mentioned it could have been an id of some sort.


imo/jmo

[EGirl]

I believe Tony said the nightmares began on or around July 5th.

Not sure though.


I thought it was June 16th. She was in jail by July 17th. She didn't see Tony after the 15th when Amy & Cindy went and got her.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Wow, that's quite a bit of time for the body to be in her car. Without going into too much detail, I don't think the remains would be in very good shape for her to handle. This is all so nauseating, just thinking about the logistics of moving a dead body.

I hope LE can pinpoint the actual date she disposed of the remains thru her cell phone usage.

I think that would depend on what she had Caylee's little body placed in. I'm thinking she had her in some sort of bag or a dufflebag. JMO She wouldn't have to handle the remains themselves just what she placed her in. Then get rid of it and then get rid of the car.

[Joan Weiss]

RR, that's a good point about the gas odor. I believe there is something more to this gas can story too, just can't put my finger on it. But we do know, that shortly after this close call with george is when casey anthony abandoned the car at Amscot.Reggie, that is the one issue I can't get a grip on, all those gas can stories.

[NikkiG77508]

Well.... Cindy told the truth when she told Amy 'you'll never see that money again.'

Can you believe this crap?

Cindy basically stole Amy's money from Casey.

While the police were in the house!

This family.... I can't find the unbannable words for them. :shrug:


:lol: Unbannable!! I love it!!! :lol:

[Loves2Read]

I think if you read the statement from the man next door to the Anthony's you might find it helpful. (he was the one she borrowed the shovel from) He sees her coming and going and in specific he saw her in a pickup with a brown haired guy and they backed the truck all the way into the garage just like she had done a few times right around the day she borrowed the shovel. Maybe she had help and he narrows down the dates. It was very interesting.

Sorry to quote myself but I need to correct myself she backed into the garage several times by herself and only once in the truck with a man. (paraphrased from the statement of the man next door to the A's)

[SavannahStar]

shovel was borrowed 17 or 18th

The neighbor whose shovel was borrowed could not pin down the date. IIRC, he had been out of town for a conference or something the week ending the 16th, BUT could not remember if he got back the next day OR the following week. (As odd as that seems.) To my knowledge it was only Mark Fuhrman who arrived at a specific date, I think the 17th. But then Mark Fuhrman of course is not the neighbor who loaned the shovel.

[happy2bme]

I believe Tony said the nightmares began on or around July 5th.

Not sure though.


It started after July 5th, when he came back from New York.

[tiny paw-prints]

I would like to know the approximate dates on the nightmares...

(snipped)

Tony said he noticed Casey's night sweats about 2-4 times after he returned from NY on 7/5.

[Joan Weiss]

ITA lee did exactly what casey did in her interview when that analysts said that she gave up too much info, meaning she was lying.
that is exactly what lee did!

too much info on certain things.

I think he is involved by deleting some of her online tracks and receipts.
I think she spilled more than he said in his taped interview.

:shrug:
your guess is as good as mine.

maybe she didnt actually bury her-it would have been too hard.
we can go back to the playhouse theory, saying she hid her in there for a bit until she took her elsewhere.


imo/jmo/etcYes, she could have used the borrowed shovel for leverage; the playhouse could have been there for awhile and full of stuff...imo

[Rayosunshine]

I've noticed that most liars get really mad if you don't believe their lies.

Or, they will continue to expound on their lies. I don't know which is worse.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[koawally]

I agree. It seems they were willing to protect Casey from the very beginning and worried about that moreso than finding out what happened to Caylee and her location.

Unlike your sweet signature line Rebel...

The Anthony's have shown NO DIGNITY for lil Caylee!!

[kakax]

Plain as day.

Lee was trying to implicate Tony in the deletion of things on the computer.

Yet it took Lee two hours to get the stuff & bring it back. And he admits that to law enforcement right after he attempts to implicate Tony.

And chuckles about it.


As always, great point!!

[Rebel Rouzer]

It started after July 5th, when he came back from New York.

So she could have been having these nightmares while he was in NY he just didn't know about them until he got back.

[beetlebrow]

Maybe the officer recognized it was a fake ID right away or it could have been an ID card for Caylee.
I had those for my children? We don't know what type of ID it was yet. :shrug:

We dont even know if it was an ID. Lee said it looked like an old FL drivers license.

[happy2bme]

Plain as day.

Lee was trying to implicate Tony in the deletion of things on the computer.

Yet it took Lee two hours to get the stuff & bring it back. And he admits that to law enforcement right after he attempts to implicate Tony.

And chuckles about it.

I think someone other than Casey sent that text to AL about If Caylee is never found guess who is gonna spend an eternity in jail.

[nutterbutter]

How did LE know that George had a gun in the back of his SUV?

:shrug:

It had to be inside information in my opinion as who else would know it was there?moo

[Joan Weiss]

Maybe the officer recognized it was a fake ID right away or it could have been an ID card for Caylee.
I had those for my children? We don't know what type of ID it was yet. :shrug:False ID for cashing checks?

[irishkitty24]

Probably discussed and don't know what it really means except that someone is lying.

In la's interview he said they didn't usually lock the padlock on the shed but CA said, somewhere, that they always kept it locked to protect Caylee and only she and GA had keys.

LE's statement about this makes way more sense the CA's.

for whatever it is worth.

[Armchairdet]

We dont even know if it was an ID. Lee said it looked like an old FL drivers license.

Well unless it was Zenaida's drivers license, I would imagine it is just another stolen id, or a fake one in another name that Casey carried with her for her little crime spree.

[Staceylee]

Can someone please give me a link to read the documents of Amy and Lee's police interview?

[Broderick]

ITA lee did exactly what casey did in her interview when that analysts said that she gave up too much info, meaning she was lying.
that is exactly what lee did!

too much info on certain things.

I think he is involved by deleting some of her online tracks and receipts.
I think she spilled more than he said in his taped interview.

:shrug:
your guess is as good as mine.

maybe she didnt actually bury her-it would have been too hard.
we can go back to the playhouse theory, saying she hid her in there for a bit until she took her elsewhere.


imo/jmo/etc

They can find out when files were deleted most likely during forensics and if he did it quickly when he went to retrieve her stuff he wouldn't have had time to do it right. Easier to take the hard drive out and smash it to pieces.

[jbellaj]

Plain as day.

Lee was trying to implicate Tony in the deletion of things on the computer.

Yet it took Lee two hours to get the stuff & bring it back. And he admits that to law enforcement right after he attempts to implicate Tony.

And chuckles about it.

That's the route I'm going with too. Now I have made no secret that I'm not PC savvy but Lee sort of sounded like he could be. I mean that's the impression he seemed to be giving to LE. IF he did delete all this stuff from the laptop or put a virus in the thing couldn't an expert still retrieve everything?:shrug:

[Rebel Rouzer]

I think someone other than Casey sent that text to AL about If Caylee is never found guess who is gonna spend an eternity in jail.

I think it might have been Cindy or Casey sent it right before she was arrested. That part confuses me.

[Joan Weiss]

The neighbor whose shovel was borrowed could not pin down the date. IIRC, he had been out of town for a conference or something the week ending the 16th, BUT could not remember if he got back the next day OR the following week. (As odd as that seems.) To my knowledge it was only Mark Fuhrman who arrived at a specific date, I think the 17th. But then Mark Fuhrman of course is not the neighbor who loaned the shovel.In his statement, he related that day to a day he went to the bank, stating that he didn't go out that much, and was off work that week. He had a bank receipt. imo

[Rayosunshine]

Yep, and worse that she knew it was Amy's money too!

And, earlier that evening she told Amy that she would never get it back. I guess she knew.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

I would have been afraid to touch anything lest I mess up fingerprints or something that police could use.

[SavannahStar]

Probably discussed and don't know what it really means except that someone is lying.

In la's interview he said they didn't usually lock the padlock on the shed but CA said, somewhere, that they always kept it locked to protect Caylee and only she and GA had keys.

LE's statement about this makes way more sense the CA's.

for whatever it is worth.

Why do you think so? I think CA's statement makes a lot of sense; presumably they keep their pool chemicals and yard tools in the sheds. :shrug:

[beetlebrow]

Plain as day.

Lee was trying to implicate Tony in the deletion of things on the computer.

Yet it took Lee two hours to get the stuff & bring it back. And he admits that to law enforcement right after he attempts to implicate Tony.

And chuckles about it.

And.....not only did LEE attempt to implicate Tony.....JG couldnt say enough bad things about the guy......I was thinkin Whoa.....wait a minute....I would bet they were sluething around together....and JG said he was over at the Anthony house after the 911 calls to help with posters...etc. If I were Tony I would watch my back. Thank god LE techs can pull up deleted Yahoo account.