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[GrannyB]

Can someone please give me a link to read the documents of Amy and Lee's police interview?


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-documents092308,0,2008725.story

[tiny paw-prints]

Has Lee hired a lawyer yet?


I think Lee lawyered up soon after the ^5 :D

I'm really curious about Casey's MS message to Lee on June 18th.

[Rebel Rouzer]

False ID for cashing checks?

If it was an ID that could very well be the case.

[Joan Weiss]

Plain as day.

Lee was trying to implicate Tony in the deletion of things on the computer.

Yet it took Lee two hours to get the stuff & bring it back. And he admits that to law enforcement right after he attempts to implicate Tony.

And chuckles about it.Yep, the chuckles....

[trt]

I believe Tony said the nightmares began on or around July 5th.

Not sure though.

But that was also the day that he arrived back in town from NY, right (per Amy and Casey being all *giddy* because he was coming home), so she could have been having them before that and he not know?

I still agree with someone else here (sorry, can't think right now) who said that the nightmares were about what would/could happen to Casey and not about what Casey did to Caylee. I don't think she gave two cents about what happened to Caylee after it was done. Hence the *got rid of the dead squirrel* text to Amy. JMO

[SavannahStar]

In his statement, he related that day to a day he went to the bank, stating that he didn't go out that much, and was off work that week. He had a bank receipt. imo

I'll have to go back and read that. Did he make more than one statement? I know we talked about this a lot on here and it stuck out in my mind that he could not at all pinpoint a specific day. That's why I thought it was so weird that Mark Fuhrman did.

[Heyes]

Well.... Cindy told the truth when she told Amy 'you'll never see that money again.'

Can you believe this crap?

Cindy basically stole Amy's money from Casey.

While the police were in the house!

This family.... I can't find the unbannable words for them. :shrug:


Neither can I LandShark, Who does this stuff?
I would of loved to be a fly on the wall last night as they were all gathered around the puter learning what lee and others said... Oh and WHERE IS LEE?

[JanDoe]

.
I'm sure LE has asked Casey when she borrowed the shovel and
why she borrowed the shovel.......has anyone heard what her
answer was?.......maybe, that is part of the interviews that
have not be released.

[Joan Weiss]

I've noticed that most liars get really mad if you don't believe their lies.Yep, and they get nasty, too. I have experience with that...imo

[num1barb]

We dont even know if it was an ID. Lee said it looked like an old FL drivers license.

I wonder if the ZF-G who looked at the Sawgrass Apartments ever lost and ID?
Wasn't there some talk at the beginning about a ZF-G who's office had been broken into? Maybe it's something that was taken from ZF-G's car while she was looking at the apt or from the ZF-G who was the victim of the burglary??

[Shellberry]

This family never ceases to amaze me....unbelievable. Can you imagine your mother saying that to your boyfriend? And after you had smelled death?

I think Cindy can't control herself. She spouts out whatever horrible thing comes to mind. She did it with Jesse, too.
I thought she didnt see the car before she got amy and went over to get casey?

uh, Im confused

lee said it looked to him like a learners permit for driving-some kind of white paper-then he mentioned it could have been an id of some sort.


imo/jmo
to quote myself, lee gave soo much info about her d/l-a new one with the holograms like his- how could he mistake a piece of paper for another id?

Yes, she could have used the borrowed shovel for leverage; the playhouse could have been there for awhile and full of stuff...imo

aww-the thing is, the playhouse they have--has no bottom, all you need to do it is tip it or push on it- little tikes things are like a puzzle to put together, no tools required--they are semi heavy though.
I think casey could have pushed it over if she wanted to.
actually-Im pretty sure no little tikes outdoor house have bottoms to them (by bottom I mean a floor)
imo/jmo

[GrannyB]

Lee tries to implicate Tony, Cindy tries with Jesse, I imagine Casey might try Amy. Who's up for grabs for George?


Poor George. Guess he's stuck with Zanny the Nanny.

[SavannahStar]

I think Lee lawyered up soon after the ^5 :D

I'm really curious about Casey's MS message to Lee on June 18th.

I think if he did we would have heard about it by now.

[Rayosunshine]

I saw that on WS, it includes everything and if you want it electronically processed its $497.00!

$497.00, holy moley. Who is providing this service, the A's?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


Would like to know how the media can decide what can and cannot be released. Maybe the docs will appear on the LE website for download.

[OneUp]

Maybe if we asked CW real nice she would let up have say 1 hour to post all the things we would like to call the Anthony's? Naw that probably wouldn't be nice. But it sure would feel good.Do as I do GrannyB, write a nice long ugly rant of things you would never want said aloud, and delete it...;)that works for me very time!
Regarding the possibility (IMO probability) that Lee used his 2.5 hour time "retrieving" Casey's things from TonE's to actually clean up on her computer and that he may have held back the receipts for "editing"...I hope he now knows that nearly 100% of what was on her computer can be retrieved from the hard drive and much of what wa on public sites ) MySpace, Face book, etc.) can be retrieved from the site itself.
The receipts, if they are from payment with a check or a credit card can be tracked too. It takes awhile, but the store can pull receipts from the correct day and match the amounts (times too on a cc). That used to take forever to do by hand, but now most stores are computerized so it's a cinch.
I have no doubts that LE has a thorough knowledge of what was bought unless it was paid for with cash.
And...ITA that Lee is also guilty of the overshare of a liar.
JMO.

[not.another]

.
I'm sure LE has asked Casey when she borrowed the shovel and
why she borrowed the shovel.......has anyone heard what her
answer was?.......maybe, that is part of the interviews that
have not be released.

Casey had already lawyered up by the time the shovel came into the story. LE didn't get a chance to ask her about that. They didn't get a chance to ask her much about anything.

[crymeariver2006]

Tony said he noticed Casey's night sweats about 2-4 times after he returned from NY on 7/5.

But that doesn't mean that 7/5 is when she started having nightmares/nightsweats. Tony was out of town the week before and she could very well have started having them earlier.

Like a couple of weeks earlier.

[happy2bme]

Don't they have the time and date that it was sent?

It was sent the night she got arrested. I believe the 16th because Amy went to Tone's on the 17th to get her checkbook. He told her about the text.

[Armchairdet]

Don't smack me too hard for this (it's not well thought out) but......suppose Lee wants to see them all go down. Casey because she murdered his niece, and his parents for whatever ill will and hard feelings they have between them. Meanwhile Lee takes over the home, cars, etc, (unless of course they all have to be sold to pay attorney fees). Maternal Grandparents who are up in years pass on and Lee is the sole heir, or at least one of the primary heirs. His parents only have to serve a few years but this will still put Lee ahead of the game financially, and be 'his' form of revenge, which isn't as bad as Casey's. He and his fiance and baby move into the family home while Lee writes a best selling family biography for a little extra revenge and a big financial windfall.


>ducking here< :chicken:



I don't think you just get to take over a home belonging to someone else. It would have to continue to be paid on at the very least. I don't know if he would be an heir from the grandparents. Assuming they both were to pass they may give the money to their other children as per their wills. That is assuming there is much left considering the great grandfather, Lee's grandfather is in a NH. IMO.

But you never know I suppose.

[Rayosunshine]

I saw that on WS, it includes everything and if you want it electronically processed its $497.00!


I be there is at least 497 of us that would pitch in to somebody's paypal. would have to be someone who is computer savvy - not me.

Isabelle,
Ray''sMom

[jbellaj]

Lee tries to implicate Tony, Cindy tries with Jesse, I imagine Casey might try Amy. Who's up for grabs for George?


George may get thrown under the bus....

[aubrey04]

IIRC- I might be wrong but...

Anyone notice in an interview with someone.. Maybe Amy? It is stated that Casey said the nanny has kids.. And the nanny, the nanny's kids and Caylee go swimming, etc together?

But during her police interview, Casey states that Zenaida doesn't have any kids..?

[bballgrl]

It had to be inside information in my opinion as who else would know it was there?moo


Just a thought, but perhaps one of the family members that has been cut off since this all began.

Didn't we hear that the Anthony's won't even talk to some of their family over this whole situation? Maybe one of them knew that GA kept the gun in the trunk (out of spite) and called LE?

Moo

[kakax]

I thought she didnt see the car before she got amy and went over to get casey?

uh, Im confused


to quote myself, lee gave soo much info about her d/l-a new one with the holograms like his- how could he mistake a piece of paper for another id?



aww-the thing is, the playhouse they have--has no bottom, all you need to do it is tip it or push on it- little tikes things are like a puzzle to put together, no tools required--they are semi heavy though.
I think casey could have pushed it over if she wanted to.
actually-Im pretty sure no little tikes outdoor house have bottoms to them (by bottom I mean a floor)
imo/jmo



No she smelled it before she picked up Amy. Amy told her the story of the squirrel in the car, I believe. Please correct me if I am wrong!

[kakax]

IIRC- I might be wrong but...

Anyone notice in an interview with someone.. Maybe Amy? It is stated that Casey said the nanny has kids.. And the nanny, the nanny's kids and Caylee go swimming, etc together?

But during her police interview, Casey states that Zenaida doesn't have any kids..?

Another conflicting statement!

[Rebel Rouzer]

Unlike your sweet signature line Rebel...

The Anthony's have shown NO DIGNITY for lil Caylee!!

They remind me of the mother who tried to destroy evidence to save her son who killed Danniel Horowitz's wife.

Maybe we will see them actually turn around and testify against Casey while asking for immunity. Maybe that is why they got a criminal defense attorney. They want immunity and are going to testify against Casey in the end? I know I'm probably being unrealistic but stranger things have been known to happen.

[GrannyB]

IIRC- I might be wrong but...

Anyone notice in an interview with someone.. Maybe Amy? It is stated that Casey said the nanny has kids.. And the nanny, the nanny's kids and Caylee go swimming, etc together?

But during her police interview, Casey states that Zenaida doesn't have any kids..?

I always took it to mean the nanny watched other kids besides Caylee. I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time in my life. :)

[Ionmhainn]

I think Lee lawyered up soon after the ^5 :D

I'm really curious about Casey's MS message to Lee on June 18th.


Well, now I'm curious too! I didn't see that. Care to share? TIA

[tiny paw-prints]

In one of the docs I read yesterday, and forgive me I can't remember which ones, my notes are at home. Casey and her friends were at the club and Casey got a call from Lee saying he was coming to get her. She got very upset and told her friends they all needed to leave. I wonder what Lee wanted.

That call from Lee was on July 3, IIRC. Cindy had asked Lee to find Casey.

On June 18th, Casey sent a message to Lee about a meeting place and both of them going to he//.

[Joan Weiss]

Okay. I understand completely now. :)

But I don't believe she was up & running around.

I believe Casey was & is having nightmares.And putting it on her relationship with him put him in the position of being responsible for her well-being; giving more affection and not ending the relationship.

Aww..she loves me soooo much...

imo

[Shellberry]

They can find out when files were deleted most likely during forensics and if he did it quickly when he went to retrieve her stuff he wouldn't have had time to do it right. Easier to take the hard drive out and smash it to pieces.
it is very easy to delete imp. files if you know what ones to look for.
I think he got there, searched her comp-found stuff and tried to mess her comp up so no one could look at it.

he didnt have the windows cd's to reinstall anything.
maybe him saying the comp had a virus-he was trying to get le to not look at it, or think they wouldnt be able to look at anything on it.

even if it was wiped and windows reinstalled- le can get previous info off of it.

if you ever want to sell your comp-dont try to wipe it and reinstall windows, all of your personal info is still on there-you actually have to take it to an expert to get ALL info off of it.
wiping it doesnt do it.


lee is covering something, I can feel it

imo/jmo

[Rebel Rouzer]

IIRC- I might be wrong but...

Anyone notice in an interview with someone.. Maybe Amy? It is stated that Casey said the nanny has kids.. And the nanny, the nanny's kids and Caylee go swimming, etc together?

But during her police interview, Casey states that Zenaida doesn't have any kids..?

She can't keep her lies straight.

[happy2bme]

IIRC- I might be wrong but...

Anyone notice in an interview with someone.. Maybe Amy? It is stated that Casey said the nanny has kids.. And the nanny, the nanny's kids and Caylee go swimming, etc together?

But during her police interview, Casey states that Zenaida doesn't have any kids..?

I must have missed that. I did see in WW's interview that Casey said her best friend had kids and they were gonna move in together and have a live in nanny. Casey said she pays her to so much that that it would be better if her bestfriend and her kids move in with her and they could both pay the live in nanny.

[SavannahStar]

IIRC- I might be wrong but...

Anyone notice in an interview with someone.. Maybe Amy? It is stated that Casey said the nanny has kids.. And the nanny, the nanny's kids and Caylee go swimming, etc together?

But during her police interview, Casey states that Zenaida doesn't have any kids..?

I think that was other kids the nanny was watching. Not her own.

[OneUp]

I believe Tony said the nightmares began on or around July 5th.

Not sure though.TY, My Computer is phenomenally slow today, or I would have checked.
I do recall, now that you mention it, that he indicated the nightmares began after he came back...I believe that his return was the 5th of July.

Surely the LE has checked the area around the house on the water where the parties are held? It seems Casey felt comfortable there as well.

Does anyone else think the "great sex" Rick may have been Jesse's roomie?...that perhaps going there to shower was to have an excuse to hang around his apt. and wait for the roomie to show up?
I do think the showering when others thought she didn't need one may be her internal inability to clean herself of the nastiness that she handled in disposing of remains

Is there a pic. Of Will Waters? I wonder if HE might be the green truck guy seen by neighbors...??? I'm sure she could readily get guys to run her to the house to P/U her things.
Sorry for the random things I this post...as I said , the computer is slow today.:)
JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Another conflicting statement!

I don't think it is. But would have to read Amy's again. IIRC, this was the kids the nanny was watching in addition to Caylee.

[crymeariver2006]

Why do you think so? I think CA's statement makes a lot of sense; presumably they keep their pool chemicals and yard tools in the sheds. :shrug:


It wasn't locked when she took Greta out there.

:shrug:

But the gas cans weren't in the shed she showed Greta. She told Greta that's where they usually kept them.

I'm thinking George or Casey put the gas cans back into another shed and that's where the dogs hit - around the play house area.

Also, remember when they zeized the gas cans, they (LE) didn't go to the shed on the side of the house. A neighbor said they went to one of the little sheds in the back.

IIRC

[irishkitty24]

Why do you think so? I think CA's statement makes a lot of sense; presumably they keep their pool chemicals and yard tools in the sheds. :shrug:

I agree but CA went on and on about only they have the key. My il's keep chemicals and such in their shed but it is not locked. If it was llocked they would leave a key for the whole family to have access to it, much like we all have keys to each other's home in case of emergency.

LA's comment just rings more true. The padlock may be on the shed but not actually locked. That way Caylee most likely couldnt get in but they could get quick access.

kwim?

[Broderick]

Neither can I LandShark, Who does this stuff?
I would of loved to be a fly on the wall last night as they were all gathered around the puter learning what lee and others said... Oh and WHERE IS LEE?

Noticeably absent the last week or so, but I think he goes out of town for work a lot.

[kOOkie1]

Question...can the State use the same evidence in the child neglect case as well as when she is charged in the murder case? if i make any sense:confused:

[msjoni]

$497.00, holy moley. Who is providing this service, the A's?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


Would like to know how the media can decide what can and cannot be released. Maybe the docs will appear on the LE website for download.

Sorry, I was mistaken its $591.00... a dollar a page...Someone said the other pages are not revelent to the case, they're text messages and do not help/harm the case...

[st777jo]

Question?????
Does anyone know if princess odious has been out of the house since Baez picked her up, the day after she called 911????

[happy2bme]

She can't keep her lies straight.


AL told Le that Casey couldn't go out because Caylee was with the Nanny and her kids and the kids couldn't fall asleep and then he says um I guess Caylee was asleep and she had awoken so casey couldn't leave.

page9

[Joan Weiss]

<snip>
'I only borrowed your credit card because caylee needed something, I told you that, remember?'


imo/jmoI noted also in Lee's interview he mentioned Casey using Cindy's credit cards, proving (imo) that Cindy knew all along that Casey was running up the bill. Calling 911 to report that was another lie from Cindy. imo

[koawally]

They remind me of the mother who tried to destroy evidence to save her son who killed Danniel Horowitz's wife.

Maybe we will see them actually turn around and testify against Casey while asking for immunity. Maybe that is why they got a criminal defense attorney. They want immunity and are going to testify against Casey in the end? I know I'm probably being unrealistic but stranger things have been known to happen.

I don't see any of the Anthony's testifying in the future against Casey...the only family member they throw under the bus is lil Caylee.

[day2day]

Noticeably absent the last week or so, but I think he goes out of town for work a lot.

Maybe George and Cindy should check PR.....i'm just sayin...:D

jmo

[day2day]

Question?????
Does anyone know if princess odious has been out of the house since Baez picked her up, the day after she called 911????

IIRC she has a date....err meeting with JB from 3:00 til 8:00 tonight! :seeya:

[kakax]

I don't think it is. But would have to read Amy's again. IIRC, this was the kids the nanny was watching in addition to Caylee.

I'm on my way out the door....but if no one finds it before then, I'll look it up when I get back.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Question...can the State use the same evidence in the child neglect case as well as when she is charged in the murder case? if i make any sense:confused:

That gets a little tricky with this case so I am going to let one of the legal experts we have on here answer that so you get the correct information. I believe that depends on many things though.

[happy2bme]

I noted also in Lee's interview he mentioned Casey using Cindy's credit cards, proving (imo) that Cindy knew all along that Casey was running up the bill. Calling 911 to report that was another lie from Cindy. imo


AL stated he saw Casey paying with a CC at least I believe 8 or 9 times.

[GrannyB]

I noted also in Lee's interview he mentioned Casey using Cindy's credit cards, proving (imo) that Cindy knew all along that Casey was running up the bill. Calling 911 to report that was another lie from Cindy. imo

I believe the same. Saying the car was stolen was another lie.
She said later on tv it was Lee's car when he lived at home and then they gave it to Casey to use. Another reason I believe this whole thing is a script from Cindy.

[Joan Weiss]

Wasn't that Amy's $200 bucks? I thought I read that on 7-15 Casey cashed one of Amy's checks for $250.00. I think Cindy took Amy's money technically. jmoAmy got her check money back from the bank. The bank statement filed with LE says they're out the money, and want to press charges. It's in the first docu dump. imo

[st777jo]

Thanks day2day.

[SavannahStar]

It wasn't locked when she took Greta out there.

:shrug:

But the gas cans weren't in the shed she showed Greta. She told Greta that's where they usually kept them.

I'm thinking George or Casey put the gas cans back into another shed and that's where the dogs hit - around the play house area.

Also, remember when they zeized the gas cans, they (LE) didn't go to the shed on the side of the house. A neighbor said they went to one of the little sheds in the back.

IIRC

OKay, well I wasn't thinking of all of that...and my memory is hazy. I was just responding about CA's statement "not making sense" and I was only thinking in terms of what may have been kept in the sheds. Not realizing that might not be at all what the poster was talking about.

[not.another]

Amy got her check money back from the bank. The bank statement filed with LE says they're out the money, and want to press charges. It's in the first docu dump. imo

Did the bank press charges? IIRC all the charges againt Casey right now are concerning the checks stolen from Amy and the child neglect. Is this right?

[NikkiG77508]

Do as I do GrannyB, write a nice long ugly rant of things you would never want said aloud, and delete it...;)that works for me very time!
Regarding the possibility (IMO probability) that Lee used his 2.5 hour time "retrieving" Casey's things from TonE's to actually clean up on her computer and that he may have held back the receipts for "editing"...I hope he now knows that nearly 100% of what was on her computer can be retrieved from the hard drive and much of what wa on public sites ) MySpace, Face book, etc.) can be retrieved from the site itself.
The receipts, if they are from payment with a check or a credit card can be tracked too. It takes awhile, but the store can pull receipts from the correct day and match the amounts (times too on a cc). That used to take forever to do by hand, but now most stores are computerized so it's a cinch.
I have no doubts that LE has a thorough knowledge of what was bought unless it was paid for with cash.
And...ITA that Lee is also guilty of the overshare of a liar.
JMO.

WOW - I would have never thought about any of that...in fact, I thought Lee seemed pretty fourth coming...this is exactly the reason I love this board!! You guys get my wheels spinning in directions I may not have ventured, on my own!! Thank you!! :seeya:

[OneUp]

there was recently a case where a mother killed her child and left him in the car from may until july when she finally admitted it.
she drove around with him in the trunk the entire time.
she had other kids I believe that rode in the car as well.
as far as I know though-no one complained of a smell coming from the car.
I believe this was in GA.


I think if caylee was in a bag or something, it would be messy--but not as bad as if she werent in something.
Im thinking a duffel bag of some sort or garbage bags.

imo/jmoI have thought all along that Caylee was wrapped in something. Based just on the fact that even stranger homicides are moer often covered than not...and parents of any ilk are liable to cover with a personal item ( blanket). I think she may have then been placed in a duffel bag or garbage bag to further depersonalize her and make "dealing" with the disposal easier and SAFER ( even a sociopath can form some attachments...just not at the same level as you or I typically would). Hiding Caylee as much as possible made Casey less liable to be caught....and removed her actions further from her mind.

IMO, the odor came when her "wrap" was somehow disturbed ( tearing? Seepage due to the level of decomp.?). At that time, Casey could put off the disposal no more and had the further issue of a car that reeked of death.

I guess the timeframe of the nightmares doesn't fit with creating her need to dispose of the car...I hope she still has them.:flamemad:...the nasty, odious thing!

[happy2bme]

IIRC- I might be wrong but...

Anyone notice in an interview with someone.. Maybe Amy? It is stated that Casey said the nanny has kids.. And the nanny, the nanny's kids and Caylee go swimming, etc together?

But during her police interview, Casey states that Zenaida doesn't have any kids..?


I found in the doc. what you are talking about. AH interview page 52.

Amys told LE Nanny had taken Caylee and other kids she watched to the beach for the weekend. Cindy was supposed to meet up with them at the beach and was there for 2 days. Around the 27th

[crymeariver2006]

IIRC she has a date....err meeting with JB from 3:00 til 8:00 tonight! :seeya:


Awwwww, a matinee!

:biggrin:

[day2day]

Not her cash that she supposedly slept walk with. :lol:

Cindy took care of that. Took it right from her wallet...lol!:chicken:

[happy2bme]

I found in the doc. what you are talking about. AH interview page 52.

Amys told LE Nanny had taken Caylee and other kids she watched to the beach for the weekend. Cindy was supposed to meet up with them at the beach and was there for 2 days. Around the 27th


This is also when she told AH about the dead animal being plastered to her car.

[SavannahStar]

I found in the doc. what you are talking about. AH interview page 52.

Amys told LE Nanny had taken Caylee and other kids she watched to the beach for the weekend. Cindy was supposed to meet up with them at the beach and was there for 2 days. Around the 27th

So Amy did NOT say Zanny's own kids. I didn't think so.

[day2day]

Awwwww, a matinee!

:biggrin:

Discussin all the new releases ;)....I wonder if she will be bringin the special brownies..:read:

jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Discussin all the new releases ;)....I wonder if she will be bringin the special brownies..:read:

jmo


After trying to read all these docs and attempting to do my other "work", I'm going to need the special brownies.

:D

[jammies]

Cindy took care of that. Took it right from her wallet...lol!:chicken:



Would have been nice of her to give Amy some of that cash.

[GrannyB]

Discussin all the new releases ;)....I wonder if she will be bringin the special brownies..:read:

jmo

When she shows up with brownies for Jose I wonder if she brings the knife Cindy found in the car and washed to cut those brownies with.

[need2no]

Have you been hanging around with Casey?:eek:J/K

Well no...but we were in contact via email and text messages for a while. :biggrin:

[need2no]

When she shows up with brownies for Jose I wonder if she brings the knife Cindy found in the car and washed to cut those brownies with.


OMG :eek:


:D

[Brattnt]

After trying to read all these docs and attempting to do my other "work", I'm going to need the special brownies.

:D
Me too Cry!...Sheesh!....

[OneUp]

We dont even know if it was an ID. Lee said it looked like an old FL drivers license.
I'm sure someone else will answer before my 'puter lets me...but perhaps it was an old/discarded/stolien ID with another name or face on it...???
just a thought.

[GrannyB]

Would have been nice of her to give Amy some of that cash.

Cindy and nice in the same sentence? :eek:

[day2day]

After trying to read all these docs and attempting to do my other "work", I'm going to need the special brownies.

:D

She probly wouldn't share :(... i keep hoping that today is the day that Casey is arrested..i am tired of holdin my breath..:(

[jammies]

Well she was true to her word, she told Amy the money was gone.



Odd that Cindy simply let Casey run up her credit cards. Why didn't she cancel them? Or did it just give her something else to ***** about?

[Rebel Rouzer]

Thought you guys might want this link and kep checking back on it. You can down load everything they have so far. Until they get the rest of them up.
I don't see Amy's on there now. Maybe they are redacting some information. Anyway

"I am currently working on obtaining copies of the remaining documents, which I plan to make available here."
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/caylee_anthony_case/

[day2day]

Would have been nice of her to give Amy some of that cash.

Yes it would have been the "right" thing. But somehow i don't see that happening. :shrug:

jmo

[jammies]

Cindy and nice in the same sentence? :eek:




Seriously! Like mother like daughter.

[GrannyB]

I'm sure someone else will answer before my 'puter lets me...but perhaps it was an old/discarded/stolien ID with another name or face on it...???
just a thought.

I wonder why Lee made such a big deal out of it?

[beetlebrow]

I think that was other kids the nanny was watching. Not her own.

This is what I read too and it was only one other child.

[hanlil]

I'm a little late but I just finished reading over 300 pages of those interviews. whew! Sorry for asking what I'm sure has already been discussed but I am confused about the headline that says 600 pages were released? There's some text pages out there that I don't remember reading. Am I missing something..is there a link for the text messages?

[GrannyB]

That could be, one more thing to throw in her face, one more thing to use to threaten to take Caylee.

I think the credit cards are one more way for Cindy to control Casey.

[beetlebrow]

I found in the doc. what you are talking about. AH interview page 52.

Amys told LE Nanny had taken Caylee and other kids she watched to the beach for the weekend. Cindy was supposed to meet up with them at the beach and was there for 2 days. Around the 27th


I thought it was kid???
I'll look....:(

[jammies]

That could be, one more thing to throw in her face, one more thing to use to threaten to take Caylee.


And doesn't Lee say that Casey came back to the house to steal?
Did they leave money around? Credit cards? If you KNOW your daughter has sticky fingers, wouldn't you HIDE your cash, valuables, etc?

The A's don't make any sense.

[SavannahStar]

I wonder why Lee made such a big deal out of it?


Did he though? I'd have to read that part again.

[GrannyB]

And doesn't Lee say that Casey came back to the house to steal?
Did they leave money around? Credit cards? If you KNOW your daughter has sticky fingers, wouldn't you HIDE your cash, valuables, etc?

The A's don't make any sense.

I believe most people would do the opposite of anything the Anthony's do.

[day2day]

I'm sure someone else will answer before my 'puter lets me...but perhaps it was an old/discarded/stolien ID with another name or face on it...???
just a thought.

Yep thats what i'm thinkin!

[babblefishie]

Hey all

Where can I read the text messages that HAVE been released? I'm curious about these messages I'm reading about wherein Casey says her and Lee are going to he// and someone spending eternity in prison. where can I see those?

TIA :seeya:

[5boxersmom]

I wonder why Lee made such a big deal out of it?

I remember in Casey's interview with LE her telling them Zanny had a badge from Universal. Wonder if this was a fake id she had? Who has this? Did LE take it or did the family keep it?

jmo

Caylee:rose:

[Rebel Rouzer]

I have thought all along that Caylee was wrapped in something. Based just on the fact that even stranger homicides are moer often covered than not...and parents of any ilk are liable to cover with a personal item ( blanket). I think she may have then been placed in a duffel bag or garbage bag to further depersonalize her and make "dealing" with the disposal easier and SAFER ( even a sociopath can form some attachments...just not at the same level as you or I typically would). Hiding Caylee as much as possible made Casey less liable to be caught....and removed her actions further from her mind.

IMO, the odor came when her "wrap" was somehow disturbed ( tearing? Seepage due to the level of decomp.?). At that time, Casey could put off the disposal no more and had the further issue of a car that reeked of death.

I guess the timeframe of the nightmares doesn't fit with creating her need to dispose of the car...I hope she still has them.:flamemad:...the nasty, odious thing!


I tend to agree with you about the odor and how the major decomposition smell happend. Sadly we may never know for sure until her remains and what she is in is found. I'm sure we will find out through forensic experts as to the stain in the car and if it was excretions from Caylee after death.

I think it may very well be that because of cindy screaming about putting dirty diapers in the trunk.

[GrannyB]

Did he though? I'd have to read that part again.

It seemed to me he wanted to be sure it was on record there was something in the wallet LE took and he wasn't sure of what it was.
I wouldn't be surprised to find out it never happend the way he said it did.

[Ionmhainn]

After trying to read all these docs and attempting to do my other "work", I'm going to need the special brownies.

:D


Lol, not me...the docs themselves made my head go numb! What I'd really like to see are the phone records from June 16th (after the "flurry") forward. To/from Casey and home.

[Broderick]

I'm a little late but I just finished reading over 300 pages of those interviews. whew! Sorry for asking what I'm sure has already been discussed but I am confused about the headline that says 600 pages were released? There's some text pages out there that I don't remember reading. Am I missing something..is there a link for the text messages?

Not sure if this link has all 600 pages. Downloading myself right now.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/caylee_anthony_case/

[Shellberry]

No she smelled it before she picked up Amy. Amy told her the story of the squirrel in the car, I believe. Please correct me if I am wrong!
:shrug:
I noted also in Lee's interview he mentioned Casey using Cindy's credit cards, proving (imo) that Cindy knew all along that Casey was running up the bill. Calling 911 to report that was another lie from Cindy. imo
yep, she called them that day for a reason-I think she was trying to threaten casey-I bet those 2 have battles with words all the time.
I dont all of this is what cindy bargained for.
I don't think it is. But would have to read Amy's again. IIRC, this was the kids the nanny was watching in addition to Caylee.
I thought she was watching jeff hopkins kid and juliet's kid? in addition to caylee.
I have thought all along that Caylee was wrapped in something. Based just on the fact that even stranger homicides are moer often covered than not...and parents of any ilk are liable to cover with a personal item ( blanket). I think she may have then been placed in a duffel bag or garbage bag to further depersonalize her and make "dealing" with the disposal easier and SAFER ( even a sociopath can form some attachments...just not at the same level as you or I typically would). Hiding Caylee as much as possible made Casey less liable to be caught....and removed her actions further from her mind.

IMO, the odor came when her "wrap" was somehow disturbed ( tearing? Seepage due to the level of decomp.?). At that time, Casey could put off the disposal no more and had the further issue of a car that reeked of death.

I guess the timeframe of the nightmares doesn't fit with creating her need to dispose of the car...I hope she still has them.:flamemad:...the nasty, odious thing!

I agree- I still wonder if she planted the car with her purse, etc in it to make it look like they were killed or kidnapped.
I think she planned to run off and get herself a whole new life....in PR.

if she was ever caught-she could just 'wake' up one day and say she has no clue who she is...
she watches tv-Im sure she came up with something...

I wonder why Lee made such a big deal out of it?
I know-at first he said 'it was a folded up piece of paper--but it could have been an id'.
is he trying to get her in trouble some how?


imo/jmo

[need2no]

Odd that Cindy simply let Casey run up her credit cards. Why didn't she cancel them? Or did it just give her something else to ***** about?


Wonder how much of Cindy's own debt will be written off due to being blamed on Casey...not a bad deal for Cindy.

Just saying...cause I know someone who did something similar.

[beetlebrow]

Thought you guys might want this link and kep checking back on it. You can down load everything they have so far. Until they get the rest of them up.
I don't see Amy's on there now. Maybe they are redacting some information. Anyway

"I am currently working on obtaining copies of the remaining documents, which I plan to make available here."
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/caylee_anthony_case/

Great!!!.......Thanks RR.....:D

[jammies]

I believe most people would do the opposite of anything the Anthony's do.



Absolutely.


(notice how many times Lee uses that word?)

[GrannyB]

:shrug:

yep, she called them that day for a reason-I think she was trying to threaten casey-I bet those 2 have battles with words all the time.
I dont all of this is what cindy bargained for.

I thought she was watching jeff hopkins kid and juliet's kid? in addition to caylee.


I agree- I still wonder if she planted the car with her purse, etc in it to make it look like they were killed or kidnapped.
I think she planned to run off and get herself a whole new life....in PR.

if she was ever caught-she could just 'wake' up one day and say she has no clue who she is...
she watches tv-Im sure she came up with something...


I know-at first he said 'it was a folded up piece of paper--but it could have been an id'.
is he trying to get her in trouble some how?


imo/jmo

I was left with the impression he was insinuating LE did something wrong.

[hanlil]

Not sure if this link has all 600 pages. Downloading myself right now.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/caylee_anthony_case/

Thanks! I'll try it.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I'm a little late but I just finished reading over 300 pages of those interviews. whew! Sorry for asking what I'm sure has already been discussed but I am confused about the headline that says 600 pages were released? There's some text pages out there that I don't remember reading. Am I missing something..is there a link for the text messages?

These are the the docs I know of that are released so far.
http://www.myfoxprovidence.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=E02325A8C4BBC73580372E899B468C37 ?contentId=7494588&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

[jammies]

Wonder how much of Cindy's own debt will be written off due to being blamed on Casey...not a bad deal for Cindy.

Just saying...cause I know someone who did something similar.



Hopefully, none. She knew Casey was wracking up charges and continued to let her do it.

[Broderick]

Thanks! I'll try it.

Thank Rebel actually. I was just giving the link back out. STILL downloading.

[day2day]

Absolutely.


(notice how many times Lee uses that word?)

Absolutely! 22 times-someone counted! :eek:

[jammies]

Absolutely! 22 times-someone counted! :eek:



LOL! :lol:

[SavannahStar]

I thought she was watching jeff hopkins kid and juliet's kid? in addition to caylee.



No that was just how Casey originally met Zanny; she allegedly watched Jeff's son Zach. But that was way back; Jeff had since moved away. And I recall Casey said Juliet also knew Zanny, I don't remember if Zanny watched Juliet's kid(s). Juliet is also long-gone. Caveat: none ever existed in the way Casey said, anyway. :shrug:

[beetlebrow]

Hopefully, none. She knew Casey was wracking up charges and continued to let her do it.

The debt is Cindys unless she releases the CC co. to prosecute Casey. I think.....:tongue:

[crymeariver2006]

I'm sure someone else will answer before my 'puter lets me...but perhaps it was an old/discarded/stolien ID with another name or face on it...???
just a thought.


Could have been an ID she used when trying to get into clubs and buy alcohol before she turned 21.

:shrug:

[Shellberry]

It seemed to me he wanted to be sure it was on record there was something in the wallet LE took and he wasn't sure of what it was.
I wouldn't be surprised to find out it never happend the way he said it did.
I wouldnt be surprised either.
Lee is helping casey out somehow-I think she spilled to him a good bit of what happened, that he conveniently didnt mention to LE
so he filled in that gap--with too much info on other things...
Absolutely.


(notice how many times Lee uses that word?)
creepy isnt it.
reminds me of something someone would say when they were lieing out their duppa.
yes, sure I know, yes, yes.
(absolutely, absolutely, absolutely....)

ohh Lee Lee Leee-I thought you were the 'good' one.
sigh


imo/jmo/etc

[Broderick]

Thanks! I'll try it.

only 317 pages. Same as O Sentinel.

[jbellaj]

IMO Casey and Lee would throw both parents under the bus if the need arose, and a-risin' it just may be. Lee knows alot, i think, but doesn't he have some lame job that he is probably barely able to afford his mustang pmts and insurance and not awhole lot else-??? i can't remember what he does but i don't remember it as being rocket scientist work. jmo. point being can't see him taking over the mortgage.

He was sure trying to make himself sound like a rocket scientist when he was telling his storyabout the missing yahoo account off the laptop and viruses.....JMO

[aubrey04]

I must have missed that. I did see in WW's interview that Casey said her best friend had kids and they were gonna move in together and have a live in nanny. Casey said she pays her to so much that that it would be better if her bestfriend and her kids move in with her and they could both pay the live in nanny.

Okay. I went and re-read because that was the one of the things that stuck out at me last night, among other things.. but my brain was so fried after trying to figure it out -- I guess I remembered it wrong.

Maybe I got it mixed up in my mind..

So Casey still lied because she told WW that she was moving in with a friend - her friends kids and the nanny... And Amy was the fried who was supposed to move in with Casey -- and Amy has no kids, right?

Oh nevermind... that's all moot. Casey lies constantly, so there is no reason for me to keep looking for her lies in the documents.

Thanks for clearing that up for me though. This case gives me such a headache.

[GrannyB]

The debt is Cindys unless she releases the CC co. to prosecute Casey. I think.....:tongue:


Your post just made me think. It's really going to be nasty when the Anthony's start turning on each other. Somebodys going to get hurt bad.

[Pruddennce]

Hey Pru,
It's been a long morning working and reading these doc's at the same time. I always thought that LA was the level headed one in this cast however IMO he is no better then Casey, Cindy and George. Clearly they ALL do not know how to tell the TRUTH about anything.

LA's story about the gas cans doesn't match dads. Dad said on the 24th Casey came for a change of clothes and GA wanted to get the chucks out of the trunk and Casey gave him a hard time about it and that's when he saw the gas cans.

According to LA, dad knew all along that Casey took them.

CA & GA knew all along what that smell was. They feared one or both of them may have been in the trunk. Once thay got the trunk open and they weren't there is when CA started her own investigation:rolleyes:
She clearly came up with the dead animal story after Amy telling her what Casey told her about the smell.

There's so much of this that is making me dizzy What I did want to get your thoughts on is the laptop. Did you get the feeling that LA was trying to insinuate that someone messed with the laptop before he went to Tony's to pick it up. I'm not PC savvy by any means but because how he went on about the blue screen and yahoo being deleted up to 7/16 and the laptop was just sitting out on the counter. Also making a big deal about Casey's bags being so neatly packed because she wasn't that neat. IMO it sounded like he was trying to shift things to Tony & his roommies:shrug:

Whats your thoughts?


my question/thought: why did Lee A turn the computer on? it was plugged in and not turned on, sitting on the counter.

but then:

LE starts talking about the laptop AGAIN, (prompting a response) saying: you saw the computer sitting there running....and he responds yes....page 54 onward...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42528488.pdf

running as in on, but initially he claims he turned it on to look at the desktop.....

???

best regards,
Pru

[GrannyB]

:seeya:
Not to excuse Cindy's greed in any way....but Amy has probably been reimbursed by the bank for her money losses.
At least I would hope so.


For the checks Casey used but not for the cash she stole from Amy.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Your post just made me think. It's really going to be nasty when the Anthony's start turning on each other. Somebodys going to get hurt bad.


Well, Lee's first...cause I betcha mama is M_A__A_A_A_A D at him right now...

Lil' parasite leeching maggot...if that's the way you want to play...
i'll hose you down, hammer your backside....

[need2no]

:seeya:
Not to excuse Cindy's greed in any way....but Amy has probably been reimbursed by the bank for her money losses.
At least I would hope so.


But not the CASH Casey stole while Amy was sleeping.

[crymeariver2006]

It seemed to me he wanted to be sure it was on record there was something in the wallet LE took and he wasn't sure of what it was.
I wouldn't be surprised to find out it never happend the way he said it did.


For sure. At the time he gives this statement, the Anthony wagons were already circling.

He's saying that Casey told him not to trust Jesse, he's trying to insinuate that Tony deleted everything on the computer, schmoozing Amy with the hopes that she won't go forward with the check charges....

Could they be any more transparent?

:shrug:

[Shellberry]

I was left with the impression he was insinuating LE did something wrong.
my impression was that he was hiding something and pointing the finger at what the police did 'wrong' so as not to make himself look guilty of something...
hiding receipts, doing something to the laptop...???
No that was just how Casey originally met Zanny; she allegedly watched Jeff's son Zach. But that was way back; Jeff had since moved away. And I recall Casey said Juliet also knew Zanny, I don't remember if Zanny watched Juliet's kid(s). Juliet is also long-gone. Caveat: none ever existed in the way Casey said, anyway. :shrug:
ok, thanks
amy doesnt have kids does she?

but kristina-her best friend- does...

He was sure trying to make himself sound like a rocket scientist when he was telling his storyabout the missing yahoo account off the laptop and viruses.....JMO
at least he did say that you have to manually log into yahoo to delete stuff-
more and more Im thinking he fricked with her laptop -I bet during their conversation in the bedroom- she gave him passwords to everything to delete stuff.

imo/jmo

[GrannyB]

my question/thought: why did Lee A turn the computer on? it was plugged in and not turned on, sitting on the counter.

but then:

LE starts talking about the laptop AGAIN, (prompting a response) saying: you saw the computer sitting there running....and he responds yes....page 54 onward...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42528488.pdf

running as in on, but initially he claims he turned it on to look at the desktop.....

???

best regards,
Pru


I'd like to hear what Tony says about this. I'm sure LE has asked him but I guess his answers weren't in the docs we just got.

[BANJO GRANNY]

I agree, most people have a little common sense IMOI believe most people would do the opposite of anything the Anthony's do.


:rose:For you Baby Caylee

[crymeariver2006]

Well, Lee's first...cause I betcha mama is M_A__A_A_A_A D at him right now...

Lil' parasite leeching maggot...if that's the way you want to play...
i'll hose you down, hammer your backside....

Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark!

:biggrin:

[GrannyB]

Thats when Casey will go
crying to Baez, and Baez will ask the court if he can take protective custody of her. :rolleyes:



And that's when Jose's wife will be getting out the hose and hammer.:biggrin:

[jbellaj]

These are the the docs I know of that are released so far.
http://www.myfoxprovidence.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=E02325A8C4BBC73580372E899B468C37 ?contentId=7494588&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

Have you heard if CA & GA's statements will be in the remainder of these new doc's? TIA

[st777jo]

Camera guys out front.

[hanlil]

Casey asked Jessie for a gas can but when he couldn't help her she got Amy to go buy one with her on the 30th (if I remember the transcript correctly). Do you think she was actually intending on picking up her car but was too late because it had already been towed on the 30th?

[brodysho]

I'm sure this has been suggested numerous times, but it's the first i've ever thought of it, as it's hard for me to keep up with the daily threads.

The bag of trash/rotting pizza was put there intentionally to mask the obvious smell of death. Cause really, who lugs around trash in the back of their vehicle? She was hoping it would over-run the smell of human decomposition.
I recently found a "surprise" in my car. I had quit my job and left a sandwich in there for at least a month in 90+ degree weather. No smell, no maggots, no anything. I don't know how long it would've taken me to find the rotting sandwich had I not went to retrieve my lunch bag for my current job. There was no indication of anything rotting in my car.

On another note..
After reading the new documents. I find the entire family more appalling than ever. It is very apparent from Lees interview that they knew up front what happened. I don't know whether they knew the moment they found that car, or whether it was before, but they KNEW.
Cindy didn't expect to find Casey dead in that car. Remember, they were in "constant" contact? They were sorta battling words over myspace (which I find ironic that Cindys myspace states Caylee is 'missing' weeks before the 911 calls). Cindy thought Caylee was going to be in that car.
George airing out that car in the garage, and not the driveway or street, where a neighbor could potentially smell death.
Lee stated something a long the lines that Cindy had put two and two together, with the smell and Caylee.
They all knew what she had done. I hope they are tossed in jail (highly unlikely) for covering up a murder, whether it was before or after the fact.

That whole family is a bunch of sociopaths, and I hope they rot. Let there be justice soon for Caylee.

[day2day]

I just asked dbf if i could spend $600 for the pages..he said---you are FREAKIN crazy?!?!?!?!?

pfft....
wonder if i could get by makin HIM believe he walks in his sleep?!!? Worked for Casey...:punch:

jk-i would not do it...!!

[jbellaj]

Absolutely! 22 times-someone counted! :eek:

It runs in the family...........:punch:

[Pruddennce]

I'd like to hear what Tony says about this. I'm sure LE has asked him but I guess his answers weren't in the docs we just got.

thats precisely what I am interested in: what was Lee A doing with the computer.....he turned it on, thats what he said.

why did he turn it on unless he wanted to ____________<----theory, toss up

he was supposed to be there picking her stuff up and instead starts messing with the laptop.

Im sure the computer forensics will discover what was happening by human intervention during that time.

best regards,
Pru

[trt]

It seemed to me he wanted to be sure it was on record there was something in the wallet LE took and he wasn't sure of what it was.
I wouldn't be surprised to find out it never happend the way he said it did.


Perhaps throwing in the factor that LE took possession of items before having a search warrant? At that point, they were only there to question. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

He was sure trying to make himself sound like a rocket scientist when he was telling his storyabout the missing yahoo account off the laptop and viruses.....JMO


I'd have to look again, but didn't the detective say it looked like someone had tried to "reset" it or something, like back to working like it was at a previous time? I got the feeling he (Lee) attempted to do a System Restore back to around 6/15, thinking that would erase everything from that point on.

I could be wrong. But if I'm right, it's obvious Lee knows nothing about computers.

[GrannyB]

thats precisely what I am interested in: what was Lee A doing with the computer.....he turned it on, thats what he said.

why did he turn it on unless he wanted to ____________<----theory, toss up

he was supposed to be there picking her stuff up and instead starts messing with the laptop.

Im sure the computer forensics will discover what was happening by human intervention during that time.

best regards,
Pru

I'm not sure he did it there. He could have just grabbed her stuff and left and tampered with the computer at another place.

[SavannahStar]

my question/thought: why did Lee A turn the computer on? it was plugged in and not turned on, sitting on the counter.

but then:

LE starts talking about the laptop AGAIN, (prompting a response) saying: you saw the computer sitting there running....and he responds yes....page 54 onward...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42528488.pdf

running as in on, but initially he claims he turned it on to look at the desktop.....

???

best regards,
Pru


I dunno somehow I'm just not getting this theory of a great conspiracy of Lee's.....with everything going on with his mom and sister, you don't think it would be logical for him to turn the computer on, to see if he could find any clues as to what was going on in Casey's life, and where Caylee could be?

[Pruddennce]

Casey asked Jessie for a gas can but when he couldn't help her she got Amy to go buy one with her on the 30th (if I remember the transcript correctly). Do you think she was actually intending on picking up her car but was too late because it had already been towed on the 30th?

well, Amy doesnt mention getting involved in making any attempts to get the car.

Tony? no mention either.

but the gas can WAS purchased.

just another ruse, IMO.

best regards,
Pru

[crymeariver2006]

Casey asked Jessie for a gas can but when he couldn't help her she got Amy to go buy one with her on the 30th (if I remember the transcript correctly). Do you think she was actually intending on picking up her car but was too late because it had already been towed on the 30th?

I think so.

:shrug:

[Shellberry]

my question/thought: why did Lee A turn the computer on? it was plugged in and not turned on, sitting on the counter.

but then:

LE starts talking about the laptop AGAIN, (prompting a response) saying: you saw the computer sitting there running....and he responds yes....page 54 onward...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42528488.pdf

running as in on, but initially he claims he turned it on to look at the desktop.....

???

best regards,
Pru
he turned it on and took 2 hours to get back so he could check for anything 'bad' against her that the cops might use.
He found stuff, deleted it & then messed with it, so no one would be able to look at it.

I just bet-I have a sinking feeling about him right now..

imo/jmo

[happy2bme]

I thought it was kid???
I'll look....:(


It is kid...sorry not kids...I was typing to fast:D

[Rebel Rouzer]

Have you heard if CA & GA's statements will be in the remainder of these new doc's? TIA
No I have not. Nancy Grace's producer stated that the Anthony's depositions were contradictory to what they have told to media. I am assuming that their depostions are in these files that have not been released yet or they are in the ones sealed for Grand Jury. IMO

[day2day]

It runs in the family...........:punch:

I agree bella!! I wish they would give us the good stuff! I wonder why JB didn't ask for George and Cindys interviews...:read:

[jbellaj]

my question/thought: why did Lee A turn the computer on? it was plugged in and not turned on, sitting on the counter.

but then:

LE starts talking about the laptop AGAIN, (prompting a response) saying: you saw the computer sitting there running....and he responds yes....page 54 onward...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42528488.pdf

running as in on, but initially he claims he turned it on to look at the desktop.....

???

best regards,
Pru


I did go back and re read it and yes he did say those two things but the detective never called him in that.....

I say LA was trying to set the stage that some how Tony & company may have tampered with the laptop.:shrug:

[jammies]

I wouldnt be surprised either.
Lee is helping casey out somehow-I think she spilled to him a good bit of what happened, that he conveniently didnt mention to LE
so he filled in that gap--with too much info on other things...

creepy isnt it.
reminds me of something someone would say when they were lieing out their duppa.
yes, sure I know, yes, yes.
(absolutely, absolutely, absolutely....)

ohh Lee Lee Leee-I thought you were the 'good' one.
sigh


imo/jmo/etc


But he DOES go on and on about the smell and how horrific it was. That suprised me.

[GrannyB]

he turned it on and took 2 hours to get back so he could check for anything 'bad' against her that the cops might use.
He found stuff, deleted it & then messed with it, so no one would be able to look at it.

I just bet-I have a sinking feeling about him right now..

imo/jmo

The whole family is starting to smell worse than I imagine the trunk of the car did.

[hanlil]

well, Amy doesnt mention getting involved in making any attempts to get the car.

Tony? no mention either.

but the gas can WAS purchased.

just another ruse, IMO.

best regards,
Pru

But didn't she have the use of Tony's Jeep on the 30th? Didn't he go away on a trip then? So many dates my mind is getting fuzzy!

[jammies]

:seeya:
Not to excuse Cindy's greed in any way....but Amy has probably been reimbursed by the bank for her money losses.
At least I would hope so.



Not the cash she hid while sleepwalking!

[Rebel Rouzer]

I just asked dbf if i could spend $600 for the pages..he said---you are FREAKIN crazy?!?!?!?!?

pfft....
wonder if i could get by makin HIM believe he walks in his sleep?!!? Worked for Casey...:punch:

jk-i would not do it...!!


Well when is your birthday? Ask for money for the trial transcripts for your birthday. lol

[Pruddennce]

I dunno somehow I'm just not getting this theory of a great conspiracy of Lee's.....with everything going on with his mom and sister, you don't think it would be logical for him to turn the computer on, to see if he could find any clues as to what was going on in Casey's life, and where Caylee could be?

he should not have handled the computer, he is not LE....LE was at the house investigating caylee's 'abduction'. his behaviour, kind of along the lines of what was removed from the car...

Cindy offering up that information (the pants) on August 5th....

he is at Tony's until 2 something in the morning with an integral piece of potential evidence. her lifeline. the laptop.

it wasnt his job - LE was called to the scene. when they went to Tonys with a warrant (IIRC the next day), all her stuff is gone.

that's a problem that he danced really fast around with LE.

best regards,
Pru

[hanlil]

But he DOES go on and on about the smell and how horrific it was. That suprised me.

Yes, that definitely didn't do Casey any favors did it? And again when Lee and the detective chuckle over how things Casey has said don't make any sense.

[Broderick]

No I have not. Nancy Grace's producer stated that the Anthony's depositions were contradictory to what they have told to media. I am assuming that their depostions are in these files that have not been released yet or they are in the ones sealed for Grand Jury. IMO



It is not illegal to lie to the media. Politicians do it every day.

[GrannyB]

I did go back and re read it and yes he did say those two things but the detective never called him in that.....

I say LA was trying to set the stage that some how Tony & company may have tampered with the laptop.:shrug:

If Casey just up and left on the 15th do we even know if she took the computer then or did she go back and take it when the gp's weren't home. We don't even know if when she took it, it wasn't just like Lee found it. Tony did have a computer she could have been using. We keep getting more questions with no answers.

[Pruddennce]

I did go back and re read it and yes he did say those two things but the detective never called him in that.....

I say LA was trying to set the stage that some how Tony & company may have tampered with the laptop.:shrug:

I agree, a setup.....neat bags, ooooo, a virus... oh, the detective knew it.... IMO :cool: that's why he asked him twice.

best regards,
Pru

[Shellberry]

I did go back and re read it and yes he did say those two things but the detective never called him in that.....

I say LA was trying to set the stage that some how Tony & company may have tampered with the laptop.:shrug:
I dont know about tony --I think he was covering for himself -especially when he said he had a similar virus a week before that got to his desktop..

But he DOES go on and on about the smell and how horrific it was. That suprised me.
ITA

The whole family is starting to smell worse than I imagine the trunk of the car did.
again, ITA



imo/jmo

[FrankieBones1]

Hello all. My cousin is still in the hospital. Now the medication she is on is not lowering her fever and is making her basically go orange at the potty (sorry there is no good way to say that) and has a secondary infection...I don't know what all of that means. My aunt sent me home to take a shower and rest for a bit. I hope my work place doesn't fire me.

I am going to try and summarize the entire docu dump down to bullet points. I know that might be easier for some to follow who don't have the time to read the whole thing. Coming up will be my bullet points. I am almost finished with reading through everything.

That's a great idea, Little Bitty. I'm sure everyone here would appreciate you doing that for all of us.

[day2day]

Well when is your birthday? Ask for money for the trial transcripts for your birthday. lol

umm not til spring?!?!! If i start saving now i could have enough saved up to buy the trial transcripts. IF they have even charged her by then ...

[jammies]

Anyone besides me having trouble getting through the recorded interviews with Casey's crew? They're excruciating to try to read.

Does anyone speak in complete sentences anymore? :shrug:


uhm, err, uhm, like, no, brother

[trt]

I dunno somehow I'm just not getting this theory of a great conspiracy of Lee's.....with everything going on with his mom and sister, you don't think it would be logical for him to turn the computer on, to see if he could find any clues as to what was going on in Casey's life, and where Caylee could be?

Not if LE was already at the house...take it back to them, let them look at whatever is on there...IMO, once they involved the police, it was their duty to field everything through them and not wage some private *find Caylee* campaign. As well, when reading back, Lee gives and exact time for his return home (2:25 IIRC) and it just struck me because of the whole *exact time* that George gave for Casey and Caylee leaving on the 16th. Somehow they believe that by giving exact times like that, it lends more credence to their assertions. But it raises my *hinky-meter*(I've been DYING to use that word here, LOL)

JMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

It is not illegal to lie to the media. Politicians do it every day.

I know this. I would just like to know what they told police that was different than what they told media. I'm assuming they would be more enclined to tell LE the truth and not the media but with this family it's not going to be shocking if they lied to LE as well as the media. I would just want to read their contrdictions and what they pertained to.

[GrannyB]

Yes, that definitely didn't do Casey any favors did it? And again when Lee and the detective chuckle over how things Casey has said don't make any sense.

I think he was trying to suck up to LE so he could find out info. I don't think LE is or was dumb enough to fall for it. They played his game and he's gonna loose.

[jbellaj]

SNIPPED for SPACE
at least he did say that you have to manually log into yahoo to delete stuff-
more and more Im thinking he fricked with her laptop -I bet during their conversation in the bedroom- she gave him passwords to everything to delete stuff.

imo/jmo

You could be right about that or he took it upon himself to do it. Why did he even bring up the laptop for in the first place. He was the one that offered the info that the laptop was plugged in/on, he had to turn it on, her yahoo account was deleted. Why was he even looking at that account in the first place?

Let's see, my niece is missing, sisters car smells like a dead body, it's midnight and I'm my sisters BF's house to pick up her stuff and oh yeah I'll just stop and take the time to check my sisters e-mail account..:rolleyes:

[SavannahStar]

he should not have handled the computer, he is not LE....LE was at the house investigating caylee's 'abduction'. his behaviour, kind of along the lines of what was removed from the car...

Cindy offering up that information (the pants) on August 5th....

he is at Tony's until 2 something in the morning with an integral piece of potential evidence. her lifeline. the laptop.

it wasnt his job - LE was called to the scene. when they went to Tonys with a warrant (IIRC the next day), all her stuff is gone.

that's a problem that he danced really fast around with LE.

best regards,
Pru

Okay I'm only talking about Lee right now, not Cindy.

Maybe I am missing something in the timeframe here. If so, forgive me and please explain it. Is it not possible that Casey herself deleted all that stuff off her computer?

Perhaps Lee was only doing what I said, trying to find out something to help the situation.....figure out what was going on with his sister and Caylee?

I know that ALL the Anthonys are looked on with suspicion by most on this board, but I think it's possible there is nothing sinister going on with Lee and the computer.

I mean, if you look hard enough, you can find something suspicious in everything that is done by Cindy, George and Lee. But it's not necesarily true. :shrug:

[Shellberry]

he should not have handled the computer, he is not LE....LE was at the house investigating caylee's 'abduction'. his behaviour, kind of along the lines of what was removed from the car...

Cindy offering up that information (the pants) on August 5th....

he is at Tony's until 2 something in the morning with an integral piece of potential evidence. her lifeline. the laptop.

it wasnt his job - LE was called to the scene. when they went to Tonys with a warrant (IIRC the next day), all her stuff is gone.

that's a problem that he danced really fast around with LE.

best regards,
Pru

I found it odd that he went to tonys to get caseys stuff--rather than LE going.

I still say casey told him something that he didnt tell LE-begged him to go to tonys to get her stuff.
maybe she told him that tony was doing bad stuff on her comp-can he please go and check it.

damn, I just freakin bet!

imo/jmo

[trt]

It is not illegal to lie to the media. Politicians do it every day.

It is illegal to lie in a sworn statement to LE, though, so it is important to try and figure out what's fact and fiction and I think that their being so available to the media is going to come back to haunt them, JMO.

[Pruddennce]

But didn't she have the use of Tony's Jeep on the 30th? Didn't he go away on a trip then? So many dates my mind is getting fuzzy!

Tony left on the 30th.

car abandoned on the 27th.....towed on the 30th.

best regards,
Pru

[brodysho]

No I have not. Nancy Grace's producer stated that the Anthony's depositions were contradictory to what they have told to media. I am assuming that their depostions are in these files that have not been released yet or they are in the ones sealed for Grand Jury. IMO

Is there even going to be Grand Jury hearings? Sigh.

[jammies]

Yes, that definitely didn't do Casey any favors did it? And again when Lee and the detective chuckle over how things Casey has said don't make any sense.



He sure didn't. He made it very clear that the smell was not from rotting pizza.

[day2day]

The Anthony's sure didn't help LE out.
lee-computer
George and Cindy -with the car

It makes me wonder if they really know what happened?! hammer

[GrannyB]

Okay I'm only talking about Lee right now, not Cindy.

Maybe I am missing something in the timeframe here. If so, forgive me and please explain it. Is it not possible that Casey herself deleted all that stuff off her computer?

Perhaps Lee was only doing what I said, trying to find out something to help the situation.....figure out what was going on with his sister and Caylee?

I know that ALL the Anthonys are looked on with suspicion by most on this board, but I think it's possible there is nothing sinister going on with Lee and the computer.

I mean, if you look hard enough, you can find something suspicious in everything that is done by Cindy, George and Lee. But it's not necesarily true. :shrug:

It was his chuckles that did it for me. He's an Anthony.

[jbellaj]

I'd have to look again, but didn't the detective say it looked like someone had tried to "reset" it or something, like back to working like it was at a previous time? I got the feeling he (Lee) attempted to do a System Restore back to around 6/15, thinking that would erase everything from that point on.

I could be wrong. But if I'm right, it's obvious Lee knows nothing about computers.


I admit I know NOTHING when it comes to puters. I asked this earlier and I really don't know if it was ever answered, if he did mess with the laptop regardless of what he may have been trying to do, can everything on that laptop be retrieved? If so would it have the date and time stuff was being done such as oh midnight at Tony's house?

[jammies]

Not if LE was already at the house...take it back to them, let them look at whatever is on there...IMO, once they involved the police, it was their duty to field everything through them and not wage some private *find Caylee* campaign. As well, when reading back, Lee gives and exact time for his return home (2:25 IIRC) and it just struck me because of the whole *exact time* that George gave for Casey and Caylee leaving on the 16th. Somehow they believe that by giving exact times like that, it lends more credence to their assertions. But it raises my *hinky-meter*(I've been DYING to use that word here, LOL)

JMO



Mine too. WIth all the confusion, LE, etc. who would remember exact times??? The A's are pro's at lying.

[hanlil]

Tony left on the 30th.

car abandoned on the 27th.....towed on the 30th.

best regards,
Pru

Ok. So then on the 30th couldn't she have gone back to the check cashing place in Tony's Jeep by herself with the gas can she just bought? But then uh oh it's already been towed?

[tiny paw-prints]

I'm not sure he did it there. He could have just grabbed her stuff and left and tampered with the computer at another place.

Do you remember how long it took Lee to "grab her stuff"?

For as long as he was gone, I wonder what else Lee was up to?

[Ionmhainn]

Okay I'm only talking about Lee right now, not Cindy.

Maybe I am missing something in the timeframe here. If so, forgive me and please explain it. Is it not possible that Casey herself deleted all that stuff off her computer?

Perhaps Lee was only doing what I said, trying to find out something to help the situation.....figure out what was going on with his sister and Caylee?

I know that ALL the Anthonys are looked on with suspicion by most on this board, but I think it's possible there is nothing sinister going on with Lee and the computer.

I mean, if you look hard enough, you can find something suspicious in everything that is done by Cindy, George and Lee. But it's not necesarily true. :shrug:

Was Lee even ever alone in Tony's apartment? I must admit I'm having trouble "retaining" the info in those rambling interviews.

[Shellberry]

he should not have handled the computer, he is not LE....LE was at the house investigating caylee's 'abduction'. his behaviour, kind of along the lines of what was removed from the car...

Cindy offering up that information (the pants) on August 5th....

he is at Tony's until 2 something in the morning with an integral piece of potential evidence. her lifeline. the laptop.

it wasnt his job - LE was called to the scene. when they went to Tonys with a warrant (IIRC the next day), all her stuff is gone.

that's a problem that he danced really fast around with LE.

best regards,
Pru
he danced, made himself look like such a good helper to the police- I was going to get everything written down before the police came..
man, he is just too fishy to me right now.
his interview said more to me than I could have imagined.
You could be right about that or he took it upon himself to do it. Why did he even bring up the laptop for in the first place. He was the one that offered the info that the laptop was plugged in/on, he had to turn it on, her yahoo account was deleted. Why was he even looking at that account in the first place?

Let's see, my niece is missing, sisters car smells like a dead body, it's midnight and I'm my sisters BF's house to pick up her stuff and oh yeah I'll just stop and take the time to check my sisters e-mail account..:rolleyes:
maybe with the smell, he knew?
and god knows what casey told him alone in the room that he didnt tell LE.

Okay I'm only talking about Lee right now, not Cindy.

Maybe I am missing something in the timeframe here. If so, forgive me and please explain it. Is it not possible that Casey herself deleted all that stuff off her computer?

Perhaps Lee was only doing what I said, trying to find out something to help the situation.....figure out what was going on with his sister and Caylee?

I know that ALL the Anthonys are looked on with suspicion by most on this board, but I think it's possible there is nothing sinister going on with Lee and the computer.

I mean, if you look hard enough, you can find something suspicious in everything that is done by Cindy, George and Lee. But it's not necesarily true. :shrug:

could be--I think she herself deleted her email stuff--but I think lee may have found other stuff and fricked up her files/etc so no one could turn it on to look at it.
He didnt count on them taking it to an expert.
I wonder if he found the cholor. info?

in one of his jailhouse calls he said something along the lines of you need to tell us 'before she dies/it dies' -something like that.




imo/jmo

[jbellaj]

I'm not sure he did it there. He could have just grabbed her stuff and left and tampered with the computer at another place.

IMO it sounded as though it was at the apt. Don't forget he was gone for 2 hours...:shrug:

[need2no]

It for me is just not practical.


Maybe we just need to centralize things.

[Broderick]

I know this. I would just like to know what they told police that was different than what they told media. I'm assuming they would be more enclined to tell LE the truth and not the media but with this family it's not going to be shocking if they lied to LE as well as the media. I would just want to read their contrdictions and what they pertained to.

I figured you knew, just adding to what you said. I speculated earlier that they were likely holding their interviews for the Grand Jury and that perhaps their information was the most damning in the case to Casey. They may be doing something different now, trying to help Casey and trying to get the truth out of her. I banged pretty hard on all of them in the past, but I was impressed with how candid Lee was with Law Enforcement, two weeks after she was arrested (he shouldn't have tried to play detective though). This tells me that he was cooperating and it also might mean that the Anthonys themselves are too, as law enforcement has suggested throughout. They may give different impressions in interviews, an attempt to soften their image to the media (of course that seemed to backfire).

The district attorney is waiting to see what charges to go with in my opinion and having the remains will help his case and help with increasing the charges to capital murder. He or she has time.

[Shellberry]

IMO it sounded as though it was at the apt. Don't forget he was gone for 2 hours...:shrug:

it is a laptop-he could have done it in his car.
maybe as he was messing with it to 'ruin' it--the battery went dead..

hmmm



imo/jmo

[MichelleP]

I dunno somehow I'm just not getting this theory of a great conspiracy of Lee's.....with everything going on with his mom and sister, you don't think it would be logical for him to turn the computer on, to see if he could find any clues as to what was going on in Casey's life, and where Caylee could be?

Maybe or maybe he just wanted to turn in it on to see if it still worked. I could understand all that but the thing I don't understand is this. I don't understand how a virus can delete something that is not on your hard drive to begin with. That is stored someone else. If she used yahoo or hotmail or whatever and signed in through the browser and didn't use outlook express or a program like that, someone had to delete the e-mails imo.

I've formatted my old computer plenty of times and reinstalled the os and all that and gotten a new computer and the e-mails are always there. I have a lot of e-mails in my yahoo account, some from January of 2008 and they are still there even the ones that I looked at.

I think the e-mails were deleted on purpose.

[day2day]

Zenaida Gonzalez says she has had enough. The civil suit was filed Wednesday afternoon. She wants Casey Anthony to pay for her lies.

T-shirts like reading "The Nanny Did It" and "Zanny the Nanny" are just some one of the reasons why Zenaida Gonzales is suing Casey Anthony. Gonzales has never shown her face, but says thousands of people believe she either kidnapped or killed Caylee Anthony.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17549736/detail.html?treets=orlc&tml=orlc_break&ts=T&tmi=orlc_break_1_03550309242008

[jbellaj]

I think she was counting on the car being gone.


You hit the nail on the head IMO

[Broderick]

It is illegal to lie in a sworn statement to LE, though, so it is important to try and figure out what's fact and fiction and I think that their being so available to the media is going to come back to haunt them, JMO.

Sure, if they tell the media one thing, and then in statement said something else and Law enforcement discovers they lied in the statement - that is likely not good. We have to assume the statements are of fact.

[hanlil]

Maybe or maybe he just wanted to turn in it on to see if it still worked. I could understand all that but the thing I don't understand is this. I don't understand how a virus can delete something that is not on your hard drive to begin with. That is stored someone else. If she used yahoo or hotmail or whatever and signed in through the browser and didn't use outlook express or a program like that, someone had to delete the e-mails imo.

I've formatted my old computer plenty of times and reinstalled the os and all that and gotten a new computer and the e-mails are always there. I have a lot of e-mails in my yahoo account, some from January of 2008 and they are still there even the ones that I looked at.

I think the e-mails were deleted on purpose.

I agree. I think Casey had already started deleting a lot of stuff...like comments on her myspace etc.

[GrannyB]

IMO it sounded as though it was at the apt. Don't forget he was gone for 2 hours...:shrug:

I know he was gone that long. Long enough to take Casey's things go to his house tamper with the computer and go back to the Anthony's. I don't think he would have done it in front of Tony.

[WinnieLeigh7]

uhm, err, uhm, like, no, brother


And (burp) Jesse...

LMAO

(They thought the tape was off...cop walked out the room and BURPPPPP) LOL I actually laughed out loud...

Then (Yawn) "That was Jesse yawning" Hahahaha

[~jomomma~]

Was Lee even ever alone in Tony's apartment? I must admit I'm having trouble "retaining" the info in those rambling interviews.

me too!

did tony say (or did lee say) that tony spoke to casey briefly...shortly after cindy took her home? i know he talked to amy but i can't remember if he had talked to casey, say before lee got there.

[day2day]

I wish Zenaida luck in that. I hope she wins.

I hope she does !!

[barskin&co.]

Good for her! I would suggest that the people on this message board who post insinuations about this specific woman as if she is part of some strange conspiracy stop the insanity, as well, just in the name of decency.

[jbellaj]

No I have not. Nancy Grace's producer stated that the Anthony's depositions were contradictory to what they have told to media. I am assuming that their depostions are in these files that have not been released yet or they are in the ones sealed for Grand Jury. IMO

Ok I'm confused, How does the producer know that they contradict what they told the media? She would have to had read them in order to know that but now they're sealed.:confused: I am WAY behind here.

I wish Greta would come back.....

[CinTN]

The Anthony's sure didn't help LE out.
lee-computer
George and Cindy -with the car

It makes me wonder if they really know what happened?! hammer

HELLO :seeya: Home from work YEEAAHHHHHH

I would bet they all knew at some point either
right when/after it happened (Lee)
to the car getting picked up (GA)
to the 911 call (CA)

But I read back and seen someone posted about CA's MySpace stating something about Caylee missing BEFORE the 911 calls...
( co-inky-dink :shrug: )
Maybe my order is wrong ..

[trich]

I have not seen any one mention the marijuana that Casey smoked and that it was suggested that she got it from Tony.
If he did not provide it for her she was buying it somewhere and probably accounts for alot of the money she stole from others.
I think it was Ricados interview but not positive.
The idea that she probably was smoking it around and in front of Caylee really explains alot to me.
i don't know for a fact that she smoked it around Caylee but her lifestyle suggests that.:flamemad:

[jammies]

And (burp) Jesse...

LMAO

(They thought the tape was off...cop walked out the room and BURPPPPP) LOL I actually laughed out loud...

Then (Yawn) "That was Jesse yawning" Hahahaha



That was hilarious!

[brodysho]

HELLO :seeya: Home from work YEEAAHHHHHH

I would bet they all knew at some point either
right when/after it happened (Lee)
to the car getting picked up (GA)
to the 911 call (CA)

But I read back and seen someone posted about CA's MySpace stating something about Caylee missing BEFORE the 911 calls...
( co-inky-dink :shrug: )
Maybe my order is wrong ..

It was weeks before. Let me try to find the exact date.

[jbellaj]

I agree bella!! I wish they would give us the good stuff! I wonder why JB didn't ask for George and Cindys interviews...:read:

Well that's what I want to read too. I hope they aren't sealed....that would just be to much for me.:mad:

[WinnieLeigh7]

Okay I'm only talking about Lee right now, not Cindy.

Maybe I am missing something in the timeframe here. If so, forgive me and please explain it. Is it not possible that Casey herself deleted all that stuff off her computer?

Perhaps Lee was only doing what I said, trying to find out something to help the situation.....figure out what was going on with his sister and Caylee?

I know that ALL the Anthonys are looked on with suspicion by most on this board, but I think it's possible there is nothing sinister going on with Lee and the computer.

I mean, if you look hard enough, you can find something suspicious in everything that is done by Cindy, George and Lee. But it's not necesarily true. :shrug:



I'm going to actually agree with you...

Realistically, if this ever happened to me...well I would be just to impatient to wait for answers.

Look how impatient we are...how fast we jump at the possibility of 'information'...

I could totally see myself searching for my own answers, being absent minded of hindering the investigation, at that very moment (it's not like washing clothes...that's pretty obvious NOT looking for useful information).

[hanlil]

According to this statement Casey DID know the REAL Zenaida or at least knew REAL details of her....

"We know this is the right one. They not only knew she was the right Zenaida, gave the names of her two children and type of car she drove, all given to them allegedly by Casey Anthony," Morgan said.

Hmm...very interesting. She must have been scoping out the place.

[Shellberry]

so whats the word on the mis-use of caylee funds? Have they said how much was mis-used or taken, by whom, etc? I was JUST WAITING for this to happen- ya know??
I thought that was not misuse-but the bank or whatever getting threats-they had said that all the money is accounted for and none went to the anthonys personally

It was his chuckles that did it for me. He's an Anthony.
first the absolutelys then the chuckles, imo
Maybe or maybe he just wanted to turn in it on to see if it still worked. I could understand all that but the thing I don't understand is this. I don't understand how a virus can delete something that is not on your hard drive to begin with. That is stored someone else. If she used yahoo or hotmail or whatever and signed in through the browser and didn't use outlook express or a program like that, someone had to delete the e-mails imo.

I've formatted my old computer plenty of times and reinstalled the os and all that and gotten a new computer and the e-mails are always there. I have a lot of e-mails in my yahoo account, some from January of 2008 and they are still there even the ones that I looked at.

I think the e-mails were deleted on purpose.
even lee said, someone went into yahoo to manually delete-that a virus wouldnt do that.

the only thing I can think of-is with yahoo, if you dont sign into your acct for 30 days-they delete it. you can get it reinstated--but everything from the past is gone from your acct.
messages, etc.

imo/jmo

[Broderick]

Good, because I haven't liked the hints of impropriety in raking in reward for the demise of a young precious life when so many innocent lives have been disrupted and/or destroyed in this saga - not to mention that young child was likely murdered because Casey wanted to retaliate against her mother out of spite.

[orchid]

Wouldn't Zenaida and Zenita be pronounced different jmo

Yes, completely different. I am from PR and the name is spelled Zenaida. It is more of a classic name it is not a common name like Maria at all and of the few Zenaidas I have known I have never heard the nickname Zanny. The theory about zanax fits better and better every day. Sorry I replied so late.

[msgatorslayer]

According to this statement Casey DID know the REAL Zenaida or at least knew REAL details of her....

"We know this is the right one. They not only knew she was the right Zenaida, gave the names of her two children and type of car she drove, all given to them allegedly by Casey Anthony," Morgan said.

:eek: I caught that too. I never thought THE ZANNY had any children. Only her Sister Sam, names not mentioned. WEIRD!!!!

[jbellaj]

he should not have handled the computer, he is not LE....LE was at the house investigating caylee's 'abduction'. his behaviour, kind of along the lines of what was removed from the car...

Cindy offering up that information (the pants) on August 5th....

he is at Tony's until 2 something in the morning with an integral piece of potential evidence. her lifeline. the laptop.

it wasnt his job - LE was called to the scene. when they went to Tonys with a warrant (IIRC the next day), all her stuff is gone.

that's a problem that he danced really fast around with LE.

best regards,
Pru

super duper post...ITA....:beer:

[Ionmhainn]

Good for her! I would suggest that the people on this message board who post insinuations about this specific woman as if she is part of some strange conspiracy stop the insanity, as well, just in the name of decency.

I don't see this going anywhere. IIRC, Casey was shown her photograph and said it wasn't THE "Zanny."

[day2day]

Well that's what I want to read too. I hope they aren't sealed....that would just be to much for me.:mad:

I bet they won't be released until trial. JMO....
I really want to read their words..so many things bother me!!

[brodysho]

It was weeks before. Let me try to find the exact date.

Read an alleged posting on Cindy’s MySpace message (since deleted) left on July 4th:

Subject: My Caylee is missing
Current mood: Distraught

I find that wording strange.

[Pruddennce]

Okay I'm only talking about Lee right now, not Cindy.

Maybe I am missing something in the timeframe here. If so, forgive me and please explain it. Is it not possible that Casey herself deleted all that stuff off her computer?

Perhaps Lee was only doing what I said, trying to find out something to help the situation.....figure out what was going on with his sister and Caylee?

I know that ALL the Anthonys are looked on with suspicion by most on this board, but I think it's possible there is nothing sinister going on with Lee and the computer.

I mean, if you look hard enough, you can find something suspicious in everything that is done by Cindy, George and Lee. But it's not necesarily true. :shrug:

you make a good point...about suspicions with no 'real' foundation, all the facts are not presented.

however, alot of gaps have been filled as far as the anthonys relationship with Casey,the reason she left, etc etc.

Lee: I do have a major issue with him snooping in her computer. he initially said it was off, then he said it was on and running.

I dont believe anything he says after that inconsistent statement.

she had web mail, its passworded, and she talks of passwords in the jail house call.

if the computer did indeed crash and he was unable to do anything on her laptap, he certainly had access to her my space/facebook stuff via any other computer...they talked about the passwords. AND: what is curious, why would she give him her webmail account login?

best regards,
Pru

[jammies]

But she even knew this womans childrens names...how?????


On her Myspace?

[Acorn]

.

"We know this is the right one. They not only knew she was the right Zenaida, gave the names of her two children and type of car she drove, all given to them allegedly by Casey Anthony," Morgan said.





http://www.wftv.com/news/17549736/detail.html?treets=orlc&tml=orlc_break&ts=T&tmi=orlc_break_1_03550309242008

Holy cow. She really has a Silver 2008 Ford Focus?

Get outta town! Casey had been casing her? I still have to know exactly how Casey knew all this stuff about Zenaida just from the Sawgrass visit.

Bugs me to no end.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I figured you knew, just adding to what you said. I speculated earlier that they were likely holding their interviews for the Grand Jury and that perhaps their information was the most damning in the case to Casey. They may be doing something different now, trying to help Casey and trying to get the truth out of her. I banged pretty hard on all of them in the past, but I was impressed with how candid Lee was with Law Enforcement, two weeks after she was arrested (he shouldn't have tried to play detective though). This tells me that he was cooperating and it also might mean that the Anthonys themselves are too, as law enforcement has suggested throughout. They may give different impressions in interviews, an attempt to soften their image to the media (of course that seemed to backfire).

The district attorney is waiting to see what charges to go with in my opinion and having the remains will help his case and help with increasing the charges to capital murder. He or she has time.

You might be shocked by this but I happen to agree with your post for the most part.

Exacept

Some things that do not make sense is the cleaning of the car and Georges lies about the gas cans. I still feel somehow George knows something and may have helped aid in covering up after the fact. If we don't get their depositions soon I'm going to burst. :D
That will not be pretty. lol

[jbellaj]

It is not illegal to lie to the media. Politicians do it every day.


I get what you're saying but why lie at all to anyone when you know that eventually the words you spoke will be heard.:shrug: JMO

[CinTN]

I admit I know NOTHING when it comes to puters. I asked this earlier and I really don't know if it was ever answered, if he did mess with the laptop regardless of what he may have been trying to do, can everything on that laptop be retrieved? If so would it have the date and time stuff was being done such as oh midnight at Tony's house?

Well you can completely wipe out a hard drive but it would have been obvious to LE if Lee had done that ,, You can go into the hard drive and retrieve ANYTHING from YEARS past,, even after you delete files and empty your trash its never totally gone,, its always stored on your hard drive...somewhere...

So no worries there, my dad works on puters, and I know that LE has some juicy stuff from that laptop...

so remember folk just cause you empty your trash ,, its never really gone..:eek:

[day2day]

But she even knew this womans childrens names...how?????

She got the womans card from the apts. either the names were on the card or a little websleuthing..would be my opinion. I hope zanny takes them for allllllllllllllllllllllllll the money they have and then some.
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jmo

[Texas48]

Well that's what I want to read too. I hope they aren't sealed....that would just be to much for me.:mad:
This is only a quess but I believe when Cindy"s and George's are released (if they are) all heck is gonna break out at the A's house. Has been bad enough so far but this will push it all over the edge. JMO

[~jomomma~]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live5pm6pm.html

[brodysho]

Ok I have a stupid question, there is more than one Zenaida Gonzalez in Florida, how is she going to prove that she was Casey's Zenaida Gonzalez?

Because she is the one who filled out the guest card at the sawgrass apts.

[OneUp]

I'd have to look again, but didn't the detective say it looked like someone had tried to "reset" it or something, like back to working like it was at a previous time? I got the feeling he (Lee) attempted to do a System Restore back to around 6/15, thinking that would erase everything from that point on.

I could be wrong. But if I'm right, it's obvious Lee knows nothing about computers.I think that you're right..or it was something similar done to purposely make retrieval a problem. IMO, Lee would have a GOOD job if he had significant computer skills...my impression is that his job is not so great...trying to remember the specifics, up till recently he worked with the storage sheds and got free room and board for managing it I think...Anyone remember off hand?
Around here the computer saavy can at least get a job on the "Geek Squad".
IMO, Lee's showing off and trying to look eager to assist LE just put their eye squarely ON him. I think he betrayed much and hid little in that interview. These detectives aren't greenies...they seemed to know their way around an interview.
BOY! Do I hope Lee is reading what people are saying today!...maybe he will decide to offer up info. to save his own hide and bring this to a head.
JMO.

[summer4meplz]

I'm not sure he did it there. He could have just grabbed her stuff and left and tampered with the computer at another place.


But don't you think he would want to sit down and have a talk with Tony?

[jakee]

But she even knew this womans childrens names...how?????

God help me, I get more confused every day! I thought Casey said Zanny had no children that she knew of. So what am I missing here. I am tired.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Holy cow. She really has a Silver 2008 Ford Focus?

Get outta town! Casey had been casing her? I still have to know exactly how Casey knew all this stuff about Zenaida just from the Sawgrass visit.

Bugs me to no end.

I think Casey got some of her information from Z's MySpace and it's also possible that Casey stole Z's purse or wallet at one point. Didn't Z say she had her wallet or purse stolen at some point?

[jbellaj]

If Casey just up and left on the 15th do we even know if she took the computer then or did she go back and take it when the gp's weren't home. We don't even know if when she took it, it wasn't just like Lee found it. Tony did have a computer she could have been using. We keep getting more questions with no answers.

Now that you brought it up, didn't the Det. say something about photo bucket or something to that affect was accessed or could have been accessed from a different PC?:shrug:

[MichelleP]

even lee said, someone went into yahoo to manually delete-that a virus wouldnt do that.

the only thing I can think of-is with yahoo, if you dont sign into your acct for 30 days-they delete it. you can get it reinstated--but everything from the past is gone from your acct.
messages, etc.

imo/jmo

I didn't know Lee admitted (maybe I didn't read it all or skipped some parts) but I never had that happen to me where I lost my yahoo account or anything like that because of not signing in. I do have a lot of junk mail in my yahoo account. I should delete it all, but I started to deleting some of it last month.

[OneUp]

I dunno somehow I'm just not getting this theory of a great conspiracy of Lee's.....with everything going on with his mom and sister, you don't think it would be logical for him to turn the computer on, to see if he could find any clues as to what was going on in Casey's life, and where Caylee could be?I think Lee would do what George or Cindy told him as much out of habit as anything...I do think if he found stuff that looked awful while looking for clues he might delete it, OR he might have just done as Casey asked him. Maybe she said 'if you wipe out the computer and help me, I'll tell YOU everything so we can get it sorted out and take care of "Mom"...' Casey has a habit of lying to get help and sympathy and I'm sure she knows her family the best...what buttons to push, etc.
JMO.

[hanlil]

But she even knew this womans childrens names...how?????

I believe the kids names were listed on the apt application. Maybe she got her hands on that somehow.

[Acorn]

Didnt Zenaida get robbed....OMGGGG could Casey have done that????

That was another Zenaida though...another city...that Zenaida is employed and has a home :)

[AustinsMama]

COMING IN FROM LURKING- YAY! I hope Zenaida wins!!!! This is awesome....CA really IS a piece of work! After the doc dump- she needs to own up to her lies. You can't just lie and get away with it! JMO

[crymeariver2006]

I admit I know NOTHING when it comes to puters. I asked this earlier and I really don't know if it was ever answered, if he did mess with the laptop regardless of what he may have been trying to do, can everything on that laptop be retrieved? If so would it have the date and time stuff was being done such as oh midnight at Tony's house?


Yes, that data is there forever unless you take Cindy's Hammer to it.

It will show what time something was done and what they did. Won't show who did it, but Lee has already given the times he was gone to pick up Casey's things.

[CinTN]

:eek: I caught that too. I never thought THE ZANNY had any children. Only her Sister Sam, names not mentioned. WEIRD!!!!

Well.. according to Casey, Zanny the Nanny did not have any children ,, i remember in the interviews with her being played OVER AND OVER (lol) on NG that she said she didnt have any children and LE asked her if she new why,, could she not have children or was it by choice,, Casey said she didnt think anything was wrong with her,, that it was probably by choice

[Broderick]

You might be shocked by this but I happen to agree with your post for the most part.

Exacept

Some things that do not make sense is the cleaning of the car and Georges lies about the gas cans. I still feel somehow George knows something and may have helped aid in covering up after the fact. If we don't get their depositions soon I'm going to burst. :D
That will not be pretty. lol

I have seen it posted and never discounted that George knew more and may have in fact disposed of the body. I like the speculation that Cindy and George found something in the backyard before she was arrested but after the third 911 call and after law enforcement left early that morning. That would explain Casey borrowing the shovel.

I think the statement by Lee indicates that George never saw into the trunk. She went and got the cans before he had the chance. That might explain why he didn't smell anything at that point if he didn't stumble upon Caylee in the back of the car at that time. The reason I think this is likely true, is because he would have never instructed her to leave the car at Amscott out of gas and have Tony go pick her up there while he only got rid of the body for her. He would have gotten rid of the car too if he really wanted to help Casey. He would have taken it to a crusher or burned it or something else.

I don't think anyone knew anything until that night. That had suspicions because of the car, but when the third call was made we get the impression Lee tried to stop her, and George was wondering what she was doing and then Casey said "why do they want to talk to me?". Cindy might have been the last to know.

[Shellberry]

snip for space

Lee: I do have a major issue with him snooping in her computer. he initially said it was off, then he said it was on and running.

I dont believe anything he says after that inconsistent statement.

she had web mail, its passworded, and she talks of passwords in the jail house call.

if the computer did indeed crash and he was unable to do anything on her laptap, he certainly had access to her my space/facebook stuff via any other computer...they talked about the passwords. AND: what is curious, why would she give him her webmail account login?

best regards,
Pru
if he knew she was innocent or played no part in caylee being gone--he wouldnt have snooped on her comp in the first place

I think she told him something at the house before cindy burst in=and that is why he went to get her stuff.

maybe she told him tony was using her comp to buy drugs or something?

and why not give her passwords if she had nothing to hide?
I would.

my best friend knows the login/password and secret code for my att acct

man, I think casey covered her duppa from day one.
I wasnt looking anything bad up-tony was.
maybe that is where her-they're going to pin this on me comes in.

god, I think she is a lot smarter than I thought

Holy cow. She really has a Silver 2008 Ford Focus?

Get outta town! Casey had been casing her? I still have to know exactly how Casey knew all this stuff about Zenaida just from the Sawgrass visit.

Bugs me to no end.
yikes-I still think she saw her at a club or something-

imo/jmo

[Rebel Rouzer]

Here's a thought. The thing Lee thought was an ID the officer took that night from Casey's wallet. What if it was Z's ID? :shrug: Just thinking out loud.

[CinTN]

That was another Zenaida though...another city...that Zenaida is employed and has a home :)

The one that was robbed was in Melbourne Fl on the east coast,, and I have heard from others here that there is no connection...

[jbellaj]

I found it odd that he went to tonys to get caseys stuff--rather than LE going.

I still say casey told him something that he didnt tell LE-begged him to go to tonys to get her stuff.
maybe she told him that tony was doing bad stuff on her comp-can he please go and check it.

damn, I just freakin bet!

imo/jmo

He had no reason IMO to go there..gives the appearence that they were trying to stay one step ahead of LE....I didn't say they were, just looks that way.JMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Why is the crazycam pointing squarely at the neighbor's house?

[trich]

Ok I'm confused, How does the producer know that they contradict what they told the media? She would have to had read them in order to know that but now they're sealed.:confused: I am WAY behind here.

I wish Greta would come back.....

It is obvious if you read the transcripts ....Amy herself told that Cindy thought Casey or Caylee was in the trunk.
Cindy is telling media it was pizza.
You don't need Cindy's interview to see she has been lying to media and any one else who will listne.
Even Lee said things in his to contridict what cindy has openly shouted to people.

[jbellaj]

Who says following these cases isn't educational!! :D
I am hoping in time they will release the rest of them. Until then i will wait patiently.


Not me, don't have any, never will.....I want those darn DOC'S NOW>

[Pruddennce]

Now that you brought it up, didn't the Det. say something about photo bucket or something to that affect was accessed or could have been accessed from a different PC?:shrug:

yes he did....he spoke to Lee A about it.....and stated specifically that she used other people's services all the way up to the 15th of July...

asked him, 'does that make any sense to you?"

he does say "prior to it crashing'....which leads me to believe that LE knows exactly whether or not it crashed and if so, when.

best regards,
Pru

[barskin&co.]

Holy cow. She really has a Silver 2008 Ford Focus?

Get outta town! Casey had been casing her? I still have to know exactly how Casey knew all this stuff about Zenaida just from the Sawgrass visit.

Bugs me to no end.

I don't know if she has that car. I am listening to the lawyer's press conference. He says that when the police came to her they knew her chidren's names, car, ect. The police probably got it from the Sawgrass Apartments card.

The good thing about this lawsuit is that Casey will have to answer it (through a lawyer), and when she does, she will have to furnish details about the Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah she says took Caylee, for the first time!

[dixielover]

I found it odd that he went to tonys to get caseys stuff--rather than LE going.

I still say casey told him something that he didnt tell LE-begged him to go to tonys to get her stuff.
maybe she told him that tony was doing bad stuff on her comp-can he please go and check it.

damn, I just freakin bet!

imo/jmo

This is so odd- He had a missing 2 y/o niece and he has to run to Tony's in the middle of the night to pick up some clothes for Casey-You would think he would be thinking about looking for his niece-makes no sense to me jmo

[OneUp]

Not if LE was already at the house...take it back to them, let them look at whatever is on there...IMO, once they involved the police, it was their duty to field everything through them and not wage some private *find Caylee* campaign. As well, when reading back, Lee gives and exact time for his return home (2:25 IIRC) and it just struck me because of the whole *exact time* that George gave for Casey and Caylee leaving on the 16th. Somehow they believe that by giving exact times like that, it lends more credence to their assertions. But it raises my *hinky-meter*(I've been DYING to use that word here, LOL)

JMO
ITA.They had 31 days to carry on their search campaign...why wait until LE has been called in to get "active"?
And those darned details...exact times ( esp. in the middle of a crisis situation)...remembering the apparel, the shows, etc...using Multiples to make things sound more convincing ( three names, TWO dead squirrels)...unexplainable gaps in times ( 2.5 hours to go across town and p/u items already packed? No one seeing Casey or Caylee sometimes for days?)...the doll and clothes never being with Caylee ( I know the doll WAS in the car, it sure isn't with her now)...faked #'s and emails..so many things that either point to sibtrefuge or were proven to be outright lies.
JMO

[jbellaj]

Zenaida Gonzalez says she has had enough. The civil suit was filed Wednesday afternoon. She wants Casey Anthony to pay for her lies.

T-shirts like reading "The Nanny Did It" and "Zanny the Nanny" are just some one of the reasons why Zenaida Gonzales is suing Casey Anthony. Gonzales has never shown her face, but says thousands of people believe she either kidnapped or killed Caylee Anthony.

"What we want to make sure is that Casey Anthony does not profit for throwing Zenaida Gonzalez under the bus. They are out there talking about movie deals, book deals. There are t-shirts being sold," attorney John Morgan told Eyewitness News.

High-profile attorney John Morgan is seen on TV ads and has a firm of 130 attorneys. He is representing Gonzalez in the defamation lawsuit.

After Caylee was reported missing, Casey told detectives she dropped off the child at Zenaida Gonzalez's apartment off Conway Road and now has no idea where the child is. Gonzalez says she's never met Casey and wants her name cleared.

"We know this is the right one. They not only knew she was the right Zenaida, gave the names of her two children and type of car she drove, all given to them allegedly by Casey Anthony," Morgan said.

Morgan said his client's private life has been turned upside down. They want a settlement that could be partly paid out of the Anthony homeowner's insurance policy.

"She never asked for this. Casey Anthony asked that she be brought in to deflect her own issues," Morgan said.

Eyewitness News tried to get a comment form Casey Anthony's spokesperson, Todd Black, but phone calls were not returned.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17549736/detail.html?treets=orlc&tml=orlc_break&ts=T&tmi=orlc_break_1_03550309242008


Wow I really don't know what to think about this.....Can't they do these things one at a time. It's to much for me to follow

[jammies]

This is so odd- He had a missing 2 y/o niece and he has to run to Tony's in the middle of the night to pick up some clothes for Casey-You would think he would be thinking about looking for his niece-makes no sense to me jmo



Have they ever looked for her? All they've done is mouth off and post no trespassing signs.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I don't know if she has that car. I am listening to the lawyer's press conference. He says that when the police came to her they knew her chidren's names, car, ect. The police probably got it from the Sawgrass Apartments card.

The good thing about this lawsuit is that Casey will have to answer it (through a lawyer), and when she does, she will have to furnish details about the Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah she says took Caylee, for the first time!

That is one way to look at it barskin. The other way to look at it is that Casey will continue to lie and say "A" ZFG took Caylee but not that particular ZFG. She was already shown a picture and said it wasn't her. How her attorney handles this will be quite interesting.

Does Baez handle civil suits?

[Shellberry]

I didn't know Lee admitted (maybe I didn't read it all or skipped some parts) but I never had that happen to me where I lost my yahoo account or anything like that because of not signing in. I do have a lot of junk mail in my yahoo account. I should delete it all, but I started to deleting some of it last month.
yea he did say that you would have to log in manually on yahoo to delete stuff, because a virus wouldnt do that.
I have about 30 yahoo emails (I sign up for a lot of free stuff, lol) all but 5 of them are deleted/gone now because I never logged into them.
I had one recently that I had paypal attached to & never logged into that one either, I was able to get that email addy back-but all the stuff I had saved was gone.
I never tried to get the other ones back.

there is a disclaimer on yahoo that says if you dont log in for 30 days, your acct will be deleted.
He had no reason IMO to go there..gives the appearence that they were trying to stay one step ahead of LE....I didn't say they were, just looks that way.JMO

This is so odd- He had a missing 2 y/o niece and he has to run to Tony's in the middle of the night to pick up some clothes for Casey-You would think he would be thinking about looking for his niece-makes no sense to me jmo


exactly-to both of you
I wondered why LE allowed him to go to tonys to get the stuff, and why he went in the first place.


sadly-of the new docs that came out--his is the only part I read so far.
too many things got my attention in his for me to read further.



imo/jmo

[trich]

COMING IN FROM LURKING- YAY! I hope Zenaida wins!!!! This is awesome....CA really IS a piece of work! After the doc dump- she needs to own up to her lies. You can't just lie and get away with it! JMO


I love it too.
I know the Anthonys don;'t have any money but if they are making any from someone paying for their story I hope she gets it all.
Either way I hope that family goes down big time ...they never should be covering for
Casey.

[Rebel Rouzer]

CNN making a huge deal out of the text message that Casey sent stating "if they ever find her, guess who spends eternity in jail"?

I need 3 Tv's in one room jus to keep up with the news updates.

[day2day]

Wow I really don't know what to think about this.....Can't they do these things one at a time. It's to much for me to follow

We need one of those LE calendars! :D

[jbellaj]

I bet they won't be released until trial. JMO....
I really want to read their words..so many things bother me!!

Me too, maybe it would give to insight on what was going on in their minds.

[kakax]

I don't know if she has that car. I am listening to the lawyer's press conference. He says that when the police came to her they knew her chidren's names, car, ect. The police probably got it from the Sawgrass Apartments card.

The good thing about this lawsuit is that Casey will have to answer it (through a lawyer), and when she does, she will have to furnish details about the Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah she says took Caylee, for the first time!

Exactly. Are they saying when this case would come to trial?

[trich]

Wow I really don't know what to think about this.....Can't they do these things one at a time. It's to much for me to follow

Did anyone else ever hear that Casey told what kind of car this woman drove etc.
This is the first time I heard this

[jammies]

Double wow..that says it all..



That's not what it says in the docs.

does anyone have the quote from the interview?

[Snoopy50]

That is one way to look at it barskin. The other way to look at it is that Casey will continue to lie and say "A" ZFG took Caylee but not that particular ZFG. She was already shown a picture and said it wasn't her. How her attorney handles this will be quite interesting.

Does Baez handle civil suits?
Let's hope not, gosh the dufus has a tough time just filing a simple motion!!!:D

[nutterbutter]

Here's a thought. The thing Lee thought was an ID the officer took that night from Casey's wallet. What if it was Z's ID? :shrug: Just thinking out loud.
good thinking.:rose:

[jbellaj]

Well you can completely wipe out a hard drive but it would have been obvious to LE if Lee had done that ,, You can go into the hard drive and retrieve ANYTHING from YEARS past,, even after you delete files and empty your trash its never totally gone,, its always stored on your hard drive...somewhere...

So no worries there, my dad works on puters, and I know that LE has some juicy stuff from that laptop...

so remember folk just cause you empty your trash ,, its never really gone..:eek:

I don't know if I'm happy to hear this news...I could be in trouble some day.:(

[barskin&co.]

Did anyone else ever hear that Casey told what kind of car this woman drove etc.
This is the first time I heard this

Again, I think that's a mistake. The police knew all that information, but I think they got it from the Sawgrass card.

[day2day]

Originally Posted by barskin&co.
I don't know if she has that car. I am listening to the lawyer's press conference. He says that when the police came to her they knew her chidren's names, car, ect. The police probably got it from the Sawgrass Apartments card.

The good thing about this lawsuit is that Casey will have to answer it (through a lawyer), and when she does, she will have to furnish details about the Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah she says took Caylee, for the first time!

I have always been told, there is more than one way to skin a cat! Zanny is my newest hero!

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