WED Morning, 9/24 - Day 100

[n/t]

Good Morning all,

I must say I was not at all shocked by the latest information in the documents.

I always believed the grandparents knew Caylee was no longer alive and who is responsible for her death. The cover up was so obvious and to me, the statements by Lee confirmed my belief.

Day 100. Please pray for little Caylee.:rose:

[Regina.Lampert]

Nice job starting this morning's thread, n/t. Day 100, unbelievable. Where is Caylee Marie, anthony family???

I have only read Anthony Lazarro and lee anthony's interviews, still have much to go over.

Nancy Grace was very hard on Kobilinsky last night, asking if he was still on the defense team. He seemed to shrink a bit under that famous Grace Gaze, imo. He answered yes he was, but that he wasn't an "advocate."

Morning to everyone, off to read............

[crymeariver2006]

Nice job starting this morning's thread, n/t. Day 100, unbelievable. Where is Caylee Marie, anthony family???

I have only read Anthony Lazarro and lee anthony's interviews, still have much to go over.

Nancy Grace was very hard on Kobilinsky last night, asking if he was still on the defense team. He seemed to shrink a bit under that famous Grace Gaze, imo. He answered yes he was, but that he wasn't an "advocate."

Morning to everyone, off to read............


IMO, Kobilinski is not going to be able to help Baez. I think Koby knows it too.

That being said, he should stop his appearances on shows like NG where the topic of discussion is THIS case.

[n/t]

IMO, Kobilinski is not going to be able to help Baez. I think Koby knows it too.

That being said, he should stop his appearances on shows like NG where the topic of discussion is THIS case.


For the right price, he'll try. Not saying it'll work and get Casey a free pass because I believe the evidence against her, if this case ever goes to trial will be overwhelming.

[linspar]

Good Morning !
I, like others, believe that the family was conspiring to protect Casey prior to the last 911 call, however I am having difficulty understanding Cindy's verbage to LE during that call. It seemed she was implying that Casey was possibly responsible. Why not "invent" an alternative scenario that wouldn't be so damning to Casey ?
Any thoughts? :shrug:

[Kathlb]

Good morning all. :-) I thought it was interesting in Lee's interview that at one point while he was talking to her in her bedroom, she said that her mother calling the police should have happened a long time ago. Maybe it would have never gotten to this point. She sounded matter of fact and resigned. I'm not sure if it was a sympathy ploy or if she actually seemed relieved that it was finally happening and someone was doing something to stop her. MOO I have read down to Jesse's interviews and will read them later this morning.

[AMS]

Good morning -

One of the lawyers on NG said that it is very hard to get a conviction when you have a combination of these 3:

No body

No murder weapon

No murder scene

(something like that).

Nancy agreed with him.

[spageddy]

Good Morning All
I've been trying to quickly read through some of the documents- but of course that means that I'm woefully behind on these discussions. I got to amy. Lee and tony's interviews- kind of skimming through. Have there been text messages released, or interviews with C & G ? TYA

[n/t]

Good Morning All
I've been trying to quickly read through some of the documents- but of course that means that I'm woefully behind on these discussions. I got to amy. Lee and tony's interviews- kind of skimming through. Have there been text messages released, or interviews with C & G ? TYA


I haven't seen the text messages. I don't think they've been released to the public yet.

[Kathlb]

Good Morning All
I've been trying to quickly read through some of the documents- but of course that means that I'm woefully behind on these discussions. I got to amy. Lee and tony's interviews- kind of skimming through. Have there been text messages released, or interviews with C & G ? TYA

There are some text messages right at the beginning of Brittany Schieber's interview. That's all I've found so far but I'm not through them all yet.

[n/t]

Good morning -

One of the lawyers on NG said that it is very hard to get a conviction when you have a combination of these 3:

No body

No murder weapon

No murder scene

(something like that).

Nancy agreed with him.

I believe LE is hoping to find her body. IMO, the chloroform is the weapon and the murder scene is the car.

[bluwaters]

Please light a Candle for Caylee

click any unlit candle to begin

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

[SavannahStar]

Did anyone notice in Morales' statement that it was at his apt. that Caylee got one of the bruises that people had been talking about, and that he was there and it was an accident? That she ran into a table?

[Kathlb]

I believe LE is hoping to find her body. IMO, the chloroform is the weapon and the murder scene is the car.


At first I had thought that it was a spur of the moment thing. She and Cindy had that fight about the GGr's money being stolen and Casey grabbed Caylee and took off and in a rage did something to Caylee to pay Cindy back. However if you take into account the chloroform and the searches, it had to be something she was planning for some time to free her to party. Unless it was planned and then the fight just triggered it at that moment and she already had the chloroform ready??? MOO

[bluwaters]

Good Morning !
I, like others, believe that the family was conspiring to protect Casey prior to the last 911 call, however I am having difficulty understanding Cindy's verbage to LE during that call. It seemed she was implying that Casey was possibly responsible. Why not "invent" an alternative scenario that wouldn't be so damning to Casey ?
Any thoughts? :shrug:

Good morning!
I don't think that Cindy knew what was going on when she made that call. She knew by daybreak the next morning though.

jmho

[SandyO]

I believe LE is hoping to find her body. IMO, the chloroform is the weapon and the murder scene is the car.

And the motive isn't a mystery at all...............

[SavannahStar]

Just reading Morales' and Amy's interviews....getting a chuckle out of how neither of them liked fusion. The dectective seems to be trying to get out of them something about the music, implying maybe it's "techno" or rave-type music, but both say no, it's more like hip-hop, rap or whatever. And not their cup of tea. I think LE was working on trying to get a drug angle into all this. IMO, that can pretty much be ruled out. I think Amy said Casey was smoking more pot than before, but I'm not seeing anything at all about suspicions of other "hard" drugs. I'm not done with all the interviews yet.

[JHP]

Good Morning !
I, like others, believe that the family was conspiring to protect Casey prior to the last 911 call, however I am having difficulty understanding Cindy's verbage to LE during that call. It seemed she was implying that Casey was possibly responsible. Why not "invent" an alternative scenario that wouldn't be so damning to Casey ?
Any thoughts? :shrug:


I think there was a script and Cindy is the one who wrote it. I think they were trying to make it look like Casey had been set up. But when the actual "show" started Cindy hadn't anticipated all of the questions/actions by LE so they were having to make up things along the way.

The very first time I saw this family was on the Today show, I thought somethings not right. George was barely able to touch the bear that Caylee slept with everynight. As a mom I knew right away this bear was too unloved and they had just grabbed it on the way out of the house. PATHETIC.

JMO

[bluwaters]

Good morning -

One of the lawyers on NG said that it is very hard to get a conviction when you have a combination of these 3:

No body

No murder weapon

No murder scene

(something like that).

Nancy agreed with him.

I thought that was the most important comment made on NG last night.

No one knows how Caylee died or where Caylee died. I suppose that leaves a huge hole for the defense to claim reasonable doubt that Casey killed Caylee.

[SavannahStar]

And the motive isn't a mystery at all...............

:confused: I've seen at least two different motives mentioned on here that some firmly believe. I'm not buying either. Yet. (Caveat: I do believe Casey killed Caylee.)

[n/t]

At first I had thought that it was a spur of the moment thing. She and Cindy had that fight about the GGr's money being stolen and Casey grabbed Caylee and took off and in a rage did something to Caylee to pay Cindy back. However if you take into account the chloroform and the searches, it had to be something she was planning for some time to free her to party. Unless it was planned and then the fight just triggered it at that moment and she already had the chloroform ready??? MOO

She may have had the chloroform already. IIRC, it's used in drugs and there's no doubt in my mind that Casey is a drug addict.

[n/t]

I'm starting to think the chloroform was used to clean the trunk. That smell was horrible according to Lee..and they knew what it was..Lee says George always cleaned the cars. JMO

The only reason I think the chloroform was purchased by Casey was because of the computer searches. Wasn't it on Casey's computer?

[n/t]

:confused: I've seen at least two different motives mentioned on here that some firmly believe. I'm not buying either. Yet. (Caveat: I do believe Casey killed Caylee.)

What do you believe? An accident?

[SandyO]

:confused: I've seen at least two different motives mentioned on here that some firmly believe. I'm not buying either. Yet. (Caveat: I do believe Casey killed Caylee.)

It is easy for us to complicate this thing and to make it even more convoluted than it actually is in my opinion. Caylee was a drag on Casey and she couldn't handle being essentially "homeless" with a child in tow. Whether in a fit of fury or by pure negligence, Casey is the reason Caylee is no longer here. I suppose that does beg the question of 'motive', but to me, her motive was simply that Caylee was too much trouble.

[msgatorslayer]

G'morning, all.

I still haven't read everything that was released yesterday. Had to get to bed early I'll be gone most of today so by the time I get back, I'll be way behind.

Some interesting things in those interviews!!!! The family is definately covering for the princess.

Sneaky Cindy, the one who ran around calling Casey's friends behind her back to question them, didn't take a look-see in Casey/Caylee's room to see what Casey took with her when they left? That she had no idea, for a month, that nothing of Caylee's was missing?

I'm not buying it. And I'm in no way trying to side with Casey when I say this, but, I wonder, if in the heat of the big blow out, Cindy didn't tell Casey that she could not take anything of Caylee's with her. That she bought it all. I wouldn't put it past the controlling one to do such a thing. JMO

[bluwaters]

Did anyone notice in Morales' statement that it was at his apt. that Caylee got one of the bruises that people had been talking about, and that he was there and it was an accident? That she ran into a table?

Hi Savannah. I did catch that. It makes sense to me. That is the age when children exhibit all kinds of "boo boos" including the occasional shiner. Every now and then one will do something to cause a tooth to get knocked out or, if not lost, for the root to die. Those teeth turn grey.

Toddlers take amazing risks. If they didn't, there wouldn't be so much concern about baby proofing their environments.

I don't think that physical abuse was a big problem, until June 15. Then, it became devastating.

[ellegna]

I'm starting to think the chloroform was used to clean the trunk. That smell was horrible according to Lee..and they knew what it was..Lee says George always cleaned the cars. JMO

Good morning all
I doubt he used the chloroform to clean the car. Unless George or whoever was wearing a face mask, IMO the fumes would have knocked them out.

[spageddy]

Here is what I think I've learned so far from reading the Lee, Amy & Tony stuff:
Partying has changed a lot from when I was young- beer pong? no clothes? And I thought FLA. was for retirees.:lol:
Casey & Co. went to a LOT of parties.
George liked to clean his car.
EVERYONE knew about the smell in the car.
EVERYONE knew Casey was a liar & a thief.
Nobody knew Zani .

ANd did I read that correctly that the police officer left the A's alone with Casey's purse?

Anyone know what the "ID' in the wallet was that the P.O. snatched?

I am just so worried- especially after NG last night- that LE is looking for a body to nail down this case. I'm just worried that after all this time, it's not gonna happen.

[bluwaters]

I think there was a script and Cindy is the one who wrote it. I think they were trying to make it look like Casey had been set up. But when the actual "show" started Cindy hadn't anticipated all of the questions/actions by LE so they were having to make up things along the way.

The very first time I saw this family was on the Today show, I thought somethings not right. George was barely able to touch the bear that Caylee slept with everynight. As a mom I knew right away this bear was too unloved and they had just grabbed it on the way out of the house. PATHETIC.

JMO
I agree. That bear looked brand new, not at all like a child's lovey.
The doll Mama has seen some action. Caylee loved that baby doll.

jmho

[bluwaters]

I'm starting to think the chloroform was used to clean the trunk. That smell was horrible according to Lee..and they knew what it was..Lee says George always cleaned the cars. JMO

My car is in pitiful condition.
I can't imagine having someone detail it every other week.
Wow!
What a luxury.

[SandyO]

Here is what I think I've learned so far from reading the Lee, Amy & Tony stuff:

I am just so worried- especially after NG last night- that LE is looking for a body to nail down this case. I'm just worried that after all this time, it's not gonna happen.

(Snipped for space)

I have had that same worry! I am still hoping LE has a lot more evidence than we are aware of. I don't think I'll be able to handle it if Casey and the Anthony family get away with this.

[SavannahStar]

What do you believe? An accident?

Gotta run to work now but I'll answer this way: I haven't seen anything yet to convince me it was premeditated murder. The possible motive(s) don't fit for me. Her actions after Caylee's death, however, do (in my opinion) fit her personality disorder(s). I'll certainly change my mind if evidence to the contrary convinces me.

Catch up with y'all later! :seeya:

[bluwaters]

Gotta run to work now but I'll answer this way: I haven't seen anything yet to convince me it was premeditated murder. The possible motive(s) don't fit for me. Her actions after Caylee's death, however, do (in my opinion) fit her personality disorder(s). I'll certainly change my mind if evidence to the contrary convinces me.

Catch up with y'all later! :seeya:

Bye! :seeya:

[trich]

Nice job starting this morning's thread, n/t. Day 100, unbelievable. Where is Caylee Marie, anthony family???

I have only read Anthony Lazarro and lee anthony's interviews, still have much to go over.

Nancy Grace was very hard on Kobilinsky last night, asking if he was still on the defense team. He seemed to shrink a bit under that famous Grace Gaze, imo. He answered yes he was, but that he wasn't an "advocate."

Morning to everyone, off to read............


Wait till you read Amy's.
Cindy told Amy she ws afraid Casey or Caylee was in the trunk because of the smell. they were really afraid to open it.

Pizza my foot!

Oh good morning e veryone.

[callmetree]

Please light a Candle for Caylee

click any unlit candle to begin

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

thank you bluwaters for always having this link. i don't post here much because this family makes me ill. but.. i do always look for your link to light a candle.:rose:

[kakax]

Means - chloroform or out of anger
Motive - IMO could be two different things
1. She was a spiteful B word and killed her out of anger
2. She was using Chloroform to get Caylee to sleep in the car because she had no where else for Caylee to be.
Opportunity - she had plenty. No one saw Caylee for an entire month.

They may already have a theory of how it happened. If the smell was so bad, you have to think that there was some evidence left behind in the trunk. If chloroform was used to "clean" the trunk and evidence was damaged, that to me is the same as having evidence of a murder. They have Caylee's hair - supposedly with a death band.

Why has this girl not been arrested? LE should already have their theory on how the chloroform was used. They don't have to have a motive. My guess is they don't know if the death was caused by an accident or homicide.

In a trial, they are going to have all of these people say, yea she was a liar, but not one of them has said she didn't love Caylee or she wasn't a good mother. Maybe this is the hold up. They don't have enough hard evidence to prove it either way (accident or homicide)

What about other murder charges like a negligent homicide?

[spageddy]

Gotta run to work now but I'll answer this way: I haven't seen anything yet to convince me it was premeditated murder. The possible motive(s) don't fit for me. Her actions after Caylee's death, however, do (in my opinion) fit her personality disorder(s). I'll certainly change my mind if evidence to the contrary convinces me.

Catch up with y'all later! :seeya:


For a time, I thought that perhaps Casey took off in a huff with Caylee- to punish Cindy-. Maybe Caylee was a bigger burden than Casey anticipated- being kinda homeless & unemployed as she was-
Maybe Caylee pitched a little hissy fit, as toddlers do, and even said something like "I want to go back to Gramma's" or "I want My Gramma".
That would have ticked Casey off big time-especially under the circumstances- she may have delivered a blow that was stronger than intended, or even just stuffed the child in the trunk to avoid having to listen to her cry for Gramma. Something like that.
But how & where does the Chloroform fit in?
It seems to knock down my "spur of the moment" theory.

[anyonesguess]

Well, maybe now Casey could file charges against her mother for stealing $140-$200 from her purse, or even AMY could file them against Cindy :D

Cindy is a thief as well taking that money while the office was out of the room, and then not telling her what she did when she came back. She was obstructing justice imo.

[kakax]

For a time, I thought that perhaps Casey took off in a huff with Caylee- to punish Cindy-. Maybe Caylee was a bigger burden than Casey anticipated- being kinda homeless & unemployed as she was-
Maybe Caylee pitched a little hissy fit, as toddlers do, and even said something like "I want to go back to Gramma's" or "I want My Gramma".
That would have ticked Casey off big time-especially under the circumstances- she may have delivered a blow that was stronger than intended, or even just stuffed the child in the trunk to avoid having to listen to her cry for Gramma. Something like that.
But how & where does the Chloroform fit in?
It seems to knock down my "spur of the moment" theory.



Until we know when those chloroform searches were, I don't think we are going to have an answer to that. IMO, if the searches were before June 16th - it is pretty good evidence of what she did with it. If it was after, then I think it was used to clean the car.

[kakax]

Well, maybe now Casey could file charges against her mother for stealing $140-$200 from her purse, or even AMY could file them against Cindy :D

Cindy is a thief as well taking that money while the office was out of the room, and then not telling her what she did when she came back. She was obstructing justice imo.



I was horrified when I read that. The more I read about Cindy, the more I really can't stand her.

[commonguymd]

Wait till you read Amy's.
Cindy told Amy she ws afraid Casey or Caylee was in the trunk because of the smell. they were really afraid to open it.

Pizza my foot!

Oh good morning e veryone.

Pizza my foot lol. Moved a hibiscus tree my foot too.

I am thinking Lee wasnt aware if by chance the elder Anthonys found the body in the back yard. He seemed pretty forthright in his interview and quite damning to Cindy and Casey. He was playing sleuther though and he shouldn't have. He should have continued giving all evidence to authorities.

[bluwaters]

thank you bluwaters for always having this link. i don't post here much because this family makes me ill. but.. i do always look for your link to light a candle.:rose:

Thanks.
It's Day 100. :(
Let's light Caylee's candles to a blaze.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

[marshmallow]

if this looks familiar it's because I posted it yesterday. Now that I've read Amy's interview with LE I've added a few extra thoughts. It was too overwhelming to read Amy's words yesterday, I decided to wait until todauy to read any more. I'll read Tony's next. Not sure if I can handle Lee's. We'll see.


if Casey is the person responsible for death and it wasn't an accident like unattended swimming. I'm afraid that I can see a possibility that Casey might've snapped and lashed out, harming Caylee. Everything was going a bit sideways on her. She'd been caught stealing from her GG, Mom wasn't cutting her slack like she always had, new circle of pals and new boyfriend who were more active at night. Boyfriend didn't want Caylee sleeping over, friends making comments about her not bringing Caylee to parties and poker games, Amy's alleged sleepwalking shown as a lie, the house not really being her's so she and Amy have no real future place to live, a huge blow up with the 'rents, maybe Cindy snapped too, Casey grabbing her only weapon to hurt them with... Caylee and saying something like "fine, we're gone and you're never seeing us again".

And at some point with all this rattling around in her head, possibly Caylee says something or cries for Grandma, and yes, I do think it's possibly that Casey lashed out. No excuse though.

I had a hard time trying to imagine Casey losing it that way. But now seeing the tempers shared by the other family members (and yes, some was provoked) and getting a broader view of Casey's self created house of cards. She had a mess and I still can't see her premeditating Caylee's demise but I can see her snapping. Especially after reading Amy's words and realizing how carefully Casey kept her "worlds" apart. Especially knowing that everything she'd built out of lies was coming down and knowing she must've been desperate. I still think she's got the old guilt machine on and is torturing her parents into compliance but that's not just her fault, that's their's too.

[anyonesguess]

I was horrified when I read that. The more I read about Cindy, the more I really can't stand her.

And we all wonder where Casey got where she is today. She is a CLONE of her mother!

Sociopath's do not have to be killers imo, they just have the same mental status, and I believe Cindy could be a sociopath herself.

[commonguymd]

Well, maybe now Casey could file charges against her mother for stealing $140-$200 from her purse, or even AMY could file them against Cindy :D

Cindy is a thief as well taking that money while the office was out of the room, and then not telling her what she did when she came back. She was obstructing justice imo.

That purse episode was a shocker and tells me that Lee was quite open with law enforcement. That whole thing was damning to Cindy and reveals a bit of who she is.

[Armchairdet]

Good morning.

If Cindy tucked her girls in on Fathers Day night, and George saw them leave the next day, and THEN the phone calls started, she was not at home when she began calling everyone. Do we know where those several quick calls originated from by pings or whatever?

[anyonesguess]

That purse episode was a shocker and tells me that Lee was quite open with law enforcement. That whole thing was damning to Cindy and reveals a bit of who she is.


I too believe that Lee was honest. I believe his coverup began after that by not talking to anyone anymore. Not covering up to hide anything about himself, but for his parents inconsistent statements. That is why he has insisted they NOT take lie detector tests imo.

THEY KNEW the smell from the car was the smell of the body, and they thought it was Casey or Caylee in the back of it. THEY KNEW.

[anyonesguess]

Good morning.

If Cindy tucked her girls in on Fathers Day night, and George saw them leave the next day, and THEN the phone calls started, she was not at home when she began calling everyone. Do we know where those several quick calls originated from by pings or whatever?

Armchair, I was under the assumption that she came back home after George went to work, and that is where the calls took place. I could be wrong though.

[Armchairdet]

Well, maybe now Casey could file charges against her mother for stealing $140-$200 from her purse, or even AMY could file them against Cindy :D

Cindy is a thief as well taking that money while the office was out of the room, and then not telling her what she did when she came back. She was obstructing justice imo.

Which is why I believe you could get any of them to talk. Sit them all in a room. Have 100,000 in 20 dollar bills on the table. First one to start talking gets the money. Oh,and remove one bundle of 20's every minute until they start talking.


I know, can't be done. Just saying it would probably work. Priorities and all.

[commonguymd]

I get the feeling that Lee is one that can bring Casey to reality at times. She lived in a fictional world and she most likely killed the poor little angel in a rage over her mother. Sounds like Cindy was extremely abusive verbally and I don't think that began all of a sudden because Casey went adrift. I think Cindy was always verbally abusing Casey. When Casey dropped out of school, got pregnant, and then lost her job the reality was that she could not live up to Cindy's expectations and Casey formulated a fantasy life for herself. When things unraveled she finally snapped and likely did something to get back at Cindy.

It also appears, that within the fantasy life Casey lives in she has hints of conscience. Waking up in a cold sweat and in a nightmare tells me that she was reliving her actions. She regrets it but slips back into the fantasy world quickly.

Cindy and George probably feel very responsible and are too proud to take full responsibility for their actions. They created the monster they have under the roof and I do think the home was very abusive. If they found the body in the back yard, they disposed of it, didn't tell Lee and probably didn't tell Casey what they did.

[BrownEyedF]

I noticed during the interview with Amy that she said at one point that she had already put in a change of address to the Hopespring Dr address and had mail going there before all of this happened. Unbelieveable!!!! Casey went that far with the lie. I wondered when that was.

Amy also said that she had wanted to meet the parents and kept asking Casey about it, always being met with resistance.

As far as the stealing from Amy, I think Casey KNEW Caylee was gone and not going to come back. She knew that it was only a matter of time before this huge pack of lies caught up with her and there was going to be some explaining to do. In the face of that, I don't think she cared about being a thief out in the open. She felt like she had nothing more to lose, so she was very bold in her thieving.

I have a lot of sympathy for Amy. She was screwed over too many ways to count.

[Armchairdet]

Armchair, I was under the assumption that she came back home after George went to work, and that is where the calls took place. I could be wrong though.


Oh I see. So maybe she pretended to go off to work, then returned home to sit around the house or something? Or steal something maybe.

[kakax]

Has anyone seen the text messages that were released in these documents?

[anyonesguess]

Oh I see. So maybe she pretended to go off to work, then returned home to sit around the house or something? Or steal something maybe.

Exactly. It gave her time to pretend she was at work, and she ran around for awhile, then came home each afternoon to hang out, and act like she just got home when her mom would then arrive.

[commonguymd]

Actually, Corp. Edwards didn't seem to think so, in fact he made the comment, "stealing her own money back", and I believe a chuckle was added to that.


That was an investigator. They extract information.

[Pruddennce]

Good Morning all,

I must say I was not at all shocked by the latest information in the documents.

I always believed the grandparents knew Caylee was no longer alive and who is responsible for her death. The cover up was so obvious and to me, the statements by Lee confirmed my belief.

Day 100. Please pray for little Caylee.:rose:

I the issue I have with Lee A is his laughing many times thruout the interview. Im bothered by that.

best regards,
Pru

[bluwaters]

Which is why I believe you could get any of them to talk. Sit them all in a room. Have 100,000 in 20 dollar bills on the table. First one to start talking gets the money. Oh,and remove one bundle of 20's every minute until they start talking.


I know, can't be done. Just saying it would probably work. Priorities and all.

:lol: That is a brilliant idea.

[kakax]

I the issue I have with Lee A is his laughing many times thruout the interview. Im bothered by that.

best regards,
Pru


I noticed that too. I can't figure out why he would be chuckling through an interview about his neice who was missing.

[barskin&co.]

I the issue I have with Lee A is his laughing many times thruout the interview. Im bothered by that.

best regards,
Pru

I have said for a long time that I find Lee almost as creepy as Casey. His laughing was just another example of that. When he talks to reporters he is too cool and calm, and he frequently laughs, as well.

[Barbara fl.]

I heard this morning on the news that Morales said that Caylee went missing in the middle of the night and when he woke up and asked Casey where Caylee was, she told him that the grand parents had come during the night to get her, he said he didn't believe Casey because he hadn't heard anything and he believes he would have woken up.

I didn't hear the first part and am wondering if this happened when Caylee went missing or if it happened at another time.

Did anyone else hear this?

[SandyO]

I the issue I have with Lee A is his laughing many times thruout the interview. Im bothered by that.

best regards,
Pru

Hi, Pru. I can attribute that to nervous laughter. I broke out laughing at a beloved aunt's funeral and I've never been so embarrassed in my whole life. I never understood why that happened, it was hideous, and I had to pretend I was crying.

[KimD]

That purse episode was a shocker and tells me that Lee was quite open with law enforcement. That whole thing was damning to Cindy and reveals a bit of who she is.

Honestly, the purse incident didn't bother me much. I think at that point Cindy thought that Casey would lead LE to Caylee at her friend's house or wherever she was and the incident would be done. Cindy sees the money in Casey's wallet and is just so po'd at Casey for putting her through all of this. Cindy saw the money and grabbed it. Honestly, I would have probably done the same thing. I think their suspect behavior influences what we think of EVERYTHING the Anthony's do and I guess rightfully so but I'm not seeing "who she is" based on that one incident.

I think that Cindy is feeling tremendous guilt. She is probably thinking that she is responsible for all of this. The questions she must ask herself... where did I go wrong? why did I let her go on like that all of this time? why didn't I put a stop to it? why didn't I go after custody of Caylee a long time ago? was I so critical of Casey that I drove her to this? While the Anthony's no longer have my sympathy based on their treatment of others, I still can't imagine what they are going through. The media, the protestor's, the endless arrests and battles with LE, and even the tension in the house are all a nice distraction for them now. But there will come a time when they will be alone with their thoughts and will ultimately have to come to grips with reality... presumably after the trial and conviction of their daughter. It may not be today, it may not be next year, but it will come and I would not wish that on anyone.

[bluwaters]

I noticed during the interview with Amy that she said at one point that she had already put in a change of address to the Hopespring Dr address and had mail going there before all of this happened. Unbelieveable!!!! Casey went that far with the lie. I wondered when that was.

Amy also said that she had wanted to meet the parents and kept asking Casey about it, always being met with resistance.

As far as the stealing from Amy, I think Casey KNEW Caylee was gone and not going to come back. She knew that it was only a matter of time before this huge pack of lies caught up with her and there was going to be some explaining to do. In the face of that, I don't think she cared about being a thief out in the open. She felt like she had nothing more to lose, so she was very bold in her thieving.

I have a lot of sympathy for Amy. She was screwed over too many ways to count.
I agree. Amy seems like a good friend that was taken advantage of repeatedly. It is so sad that Casey would rather steal from people than earn their affection and have true friends.

[Carolyn2005]

That purse episode was a shocker and tells me that Lee was quite open with law enforcement. That whole thing was damning to Cindy and reveals a bit of who she is.



Is there somewhere I can read about the purse incident? I missed that!

[kitty1182]

Good morning..
It's a good day for an arrest!!

[?noanswer]

I noticed during the interview with Amy that she said at one point that she had already put in a change of address to the Hopespring Dr address and had mail going there before all of this happened. Unbelieveable!!!! Casey went that far with the lie. I wondered when that was.

Amy also said that she had wanted to meet the parents and kept asking Casey about it, always being met with resistance.

As far as the stealing from Amy, I think Casey KNEW Caylee was gone and not going to come back. She knew that it was only a matter of time before this huge pack of lies caught up with her and there was going to be some explaining to do. In the face of that, I don't think she cared about being a thief out in the open. She felt like she had nothing more to lose, so she was very bold in her thieving.

I have a lot of sympathy for Amy. She was screwed over too many ways to count.

Guess Casey must have gone home and retrieved any mail for Amy and gave it to her, otherwise Cindy/George would have wondered what was going on. I wonder if Casey didn't go home most days. If Cindy didn't let her take anything for Cayley when she left she could have picked up things for her at the time she was getting clothes for herself and groceries for her friends. JMO

[anyonesguess]

That was Corp. Edwards, and as I said, he didn't seem to think a thing of it, in fact he gave it credibility with his statement.

Wanting him to feel comfortable. You get more information that way. Good Copy /Bad cop.

Doesn't matter what that investigator thinks. Cindy was obstructing justice at the time of taking that money, and in all likelyhood it was AMY's money. Cindy is a Thief, and a Sneak. Just like her daughter.

[Pruddennce]

Pizza my foot lol. Moved a hibiscus tree my foot too.

I am thinking Lee wasnt aware if by chance the elder Anthonys found the body in the back yard. He seemed pretty forthright in his interview and quite damning to Cindy and Casey. He was playing sleuther though and he shouldn't have. He should have continued giving all evidence to authorities.

IMO Lee was 'careful'' in his interview. And, July 3 IIRC, one of her friends gave a statement that Lee called Casey and demanded she come home (something along those lines).

Lee already knew something was going on, and knew precisely what it was: Casey left the home with Caylee and his parents were denied contact with Caylee, even by phone.

best regards,
Pru

[?noanswer]

Is there somewhere I can read about the purse incident? I missed that!

I think it was in Lee's statement. JMO

[Kathlb]

I agree. That bear looked brand new, not at all like a child's lovey.
The doll Mama has seen some action. Caylee loved that baby doll.

jmho

Your terminology of "lovey" brought back memories of my mother. She is gone now but I remember her telling me when she was little she had a box of cut up colored pieces of papers that she loved. She would carry it with her everywhere and she called them her "lovies". :-) This was way back in the early 30's. Interesting the term is still used to describe an item that is special to a child. :-)

I just finished reading the entire large .pdf. Jesse had some good input also. A theme running through most of them was the bad relationship between Cindy and Casey. A constant bickering and criticism of Casey's actions and mothering. Of course, I'm sure Cindy was right, but her method did nothing to improve things. I know that Casey told someone that she hated her Dad. I haven't seen that in any of the interviews yet and can't find anything that happened to cause her to say that. Not yet anyway. MOO

[anyonesguess]

Honestly, the purse incident didn't bother me much. I think at that point Cindy thought that Casey would lead LE to Caylee at her friend's house or wherever she was and the incident would be done. Cindy sees the money in Casey's wallet and is just so po'd at Casey for putting her through all of this. Cindy saw the money and grabbed it. Honestly, I would have probably done the same thing. I think their suspect behavior influences what we think of EVERYTHING the Anthony's do and I guess rightfully so but I'm not seeing "who she is" based on that one incident.

I think that Cindy is feeling tremendous guilt. She is probably thinking that she is responsible for all of this. The questions she must ask herself... where did I go wrong? why did I let her go on like that all of this time? why didn't I put a stop to it? why didn't I go after custody of Caylee a long time ago? was I so critical of Casey that I drove her to this? While the Anthony's no longer have my sympathy based on their treatment of others, I still can't imagine what they are going through. The media, the protestor's, the endless arrests and battles with LE, and even the tension in the house are all a nice distraction for them now. But there will come a time when they will be alone with their thoughts and will ultimately have to come to grips with reality... presumably after the trial and conviction of their daughter. It may not be today, it may not be next year, but it will come and I would not wish that on anyone.

and yada, yada, yada in regard to Cindy. She now needs to quit the coverup if she feels so guilty. Quit lying for her daughter.

[Barbara fl.]

Honestly, the purse incident didn't bother me much. I think at that point Cindy thought that Casey would lead LE to Caylee at her friend's house or wherever she was and the incident would be done. Cindy sees the money in Casey's wallet and is just so po'd at Casey for putting her through all of this. Cindy saw the money and grabbed it. Honestly, I would have probably done the same thing. I think their suspect behavior influences what we think of EVERYTHING the Anthony's do and I guess rightfully so but I'm not seeing "who she is" based on that one incident.

I think that Cindy is feeling tremendous guilt. She is probably thinking that she is responsible for all of this. The questions she must ask herself... where did I go wrong? why did I let her go on like that all of this time? why didn't I put a stop to it? why didn't I go after custody of Caylee a long time ago? was I so critical of Casey that I drove her to this? While the Anthony's no longer have my sympathy based on their treatment of others, I still can't imagine what they are going through. The media, the protestor's, the endless arrests and battles with LE, and even the tension in the house are all a nice distraction for them now. But there will come a time when they will be alone with their thoughts and will ultimately have to come to grips with reality... presumably after the trial and conviction of their daughter. It may not be today, it may not be next year, but it will come and I would not wish that on anyone.


Well put and I agree with you completely..Guilt can turn your whole life around when it comes to feeling that you failed as a parent. And this is what this family is going through right now. I really do not know how I would be reacting right now..It has to be horrible to say the least...

[bluwaters]

Hi, Pru. I can attribute that to nervous laughter. I broke out laughing at a beloved aunt's funeral and I've never been so embarrassed in my whole life. I never understood why that happened, it was hideous, and I had to pretend I was crying.
I understand completely.
I adored my father and nursed him for the last 3 months of his life. At his graveside service, the USMC honor guard had trouble folding the flag from his casket. I nearly strangled myself from choking back my giggles. It was horrible. It was like getting the giggles in church and your parents are giving you The Look which only makes you laugh harder. Only about a million times worse.

[anyonesguess]

lol @ obstructing justice.

For all the "obstructing justice" that cindy has supposedly done according to this board, it's just amazing that the woman isn't doing hard time for life. :)

exactly! Ita!

[?noanswer]

I heard this morning on the news that Morales said that Caylee went missing in the middle of the night and when he woke up and asked Casey where Caylee was, she told him that the grand parents had come during the night to get her, he said he didn't believe Casey because he hadn't heard anything and he believes he would have woken up.

I didn't hear the first part and am wondering if this happened when Caylee went missing or if it happened at another time.

Did anyone else hear this?

I read it in his statement and I think one other person mentioned in in theirs. I'm can't remember if this was in a timeframe when Caylee disappeared or before. I guess one of the things that makes me a little cautious in these statements is that several of them got together and figured out a timeline/calendar of the events. JMO

[barskin&co.]

and yada, yada, yada in regard to Cindy. She now needs to quit the coverup if she feels so guilty. Quit lying for her daughter.

You said it, ag!

[bluwaters]

Wanting him to feel comfortable. You get more information that way. Good Copy /Bad cop.

Doesn't matter what that investigator thinks. Cindy was obstructing justice at the time of taking that money, and in all likelyhood it was AMY's money. Cindy is a Thief, and a Sneak. Just like her daughter.
Edward's also said something like - don't mind the expression on my face. He was appalled by the entire incident, including the fact that LE was not even paying attention to possible evidence.

I am sooo late for work. See y'all later! :seeya:

Don't forget to light a candle for Caylee on Day 100.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

Byeee...

[Kathlb]

Hi, Pru. I can attribute that to nervous laughter. I broke out laughing at a beloved aunt's funeral and I've never been so embarrassed in my whole life. I never understood why that happened, it was hideous, and I had to pretend I was crying.

It happens a lot. I remember a friend and I at a Sunday church service when we were teenagers getting the giggles. Nothing was funny at all, but every time we looked at each other we went off. Finally it became so bad we were laughing so hard we were crying and had to leave the service. Everyone was looking at us with frowns and wondering what was wrong with us. When we got outside we looked at each other and said, "What happened? Where did that come from?" It surprised us as much as everyone else. I think emotional stress and also being in a situation where it is frowned on can cause it sometimes. MOO

[SandyO]

I understand completely.
I adored my father and nursed him for the last 3 months of his life. At his graveside service, the USMC honor guard had trouble folding the flag from his casket. I nearly strangled myself from choking back my giggles. It was horrible. It was like getting the giggles in church and your parents are giving you The Look which only makes you laugh harder. Only about a million times worse.

Thank you sooooooooo much for that, Blu.

[KimD]

and yada, yada, yada in regard to Cindy. She now needs to quit the coverup if she feels so guilty. Quit lying for her daughter.

Oh I agree... but as someone not living the situation. If I treated my daughter so horribly growing up and my daughter turned around and did something as heinous as killing my grandaughter, I would have some serious issues with guilt. Protecting Casey NOW may alleviate some of the guilty Cindy is feeling. I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's something you or I would do but I can see where this all of a sudden loyalty is coming from.

[bchand]

I the issue I have with Lee A is his laughing many times thruout the interview. Im bothered by that.

best regards,
Pru

I had the same feeling Pru - especially whenever he was laughing while referring to the horrific odor (don't know how they made it home in that car ha ha ha), etc. etc.

Nothing about that odor should have been amusing to him under the circumstances.

[Barbara fl.]

I really do not know what the public expects Cindy to do. Would she be expected to go on national TV and say "Yes my daughter is a murderer and should get the death penalty?" She IS Casey's mother, even the worst and horrific murderers parents never did that, so why would it be expected of these parents?

Even Jeffrey's Dahmers parents stood by him...The only difference here is that Caylee is missing and it is possible and more then likely that the parents know she is deceased, BUT in making Casey talk would be the same as saying put my daughter to death for this murder. I really do not know of too many parents that would do that.

YES, I would want to bring my granddaughter home for a proper burial and yes I would be wishing that this never happened and I really do not know how I would be reacting if I were in Cindy's shoes. But I doubt if I would be going against the child that I brought into this world.

[Pruddennce]

Hi, Pru. I can attribute that to nervous laughter. I broke out laughing at a beloved aunt's funeral and I've never been so embarrassed in my whole life. I never understood why that happened, it was hideous, and I had to pretend I was crying.

well Sandy, laughing during an interview about a missing child, facing the unknown, is off center. behaving as if its a find waldo puzzle....Ive laughed and kidded with many a person at funerals, who hasnt? when someone is dead, its final, and depending on the circumstances, such as a funny eulogy, for example, its not unusual, or people exchanging fond memories.

missing child, careful stepping in an interview and laughing about the smell, no, he's 'off' IMO.

where are the outbursts, OMG, IM SO WORRIED! no excited utterances. 'all business'...

best regards,
Pru

[SavannahStar]

Hi, Pru. I can attribute that to nervous laughter. I broke out laughing at a beloved aunt's funeral and I've never been so embarrassed in my whole life. I never understood why that happened, it was hideous, and I had to pretend I was crying.

On this we totally agree, SandyO.

[Armchairdet]

I read it in his statement and I think one other person mentioned in in theirs. I'm can't remember if this was in a timeframe when Caylee disappeared or before. I guess one of the things that makes me a little cautious in these statements is that several of them got together and figured out a timeline/calendar of the events. JMO

Not only that, he said he didn't believe the grandparents had come to pick up Caylee because he didn't wake up/hear anything. But Caylee wasn't there when he woke up, so something went on that he did not hear.

[desmom]

Is there somewhere I can read about the purse incident? I missed that!


Page 222 of the 317 pages released (or if you are using the numbers handwritten in the bottom right hand corner, it is page 1448)

Lee: "....And when my mother at that point had opened up my sister's wallet, she had actually opened up my sister's wallet because she was looking through the contents of this large wallet, saw unfolded, it had to be a minimum of a hundred and forty, maybe as much as two hundred dollars just from seeing the number of bills, straight twenty dollar bills were taken out. And the reason why I know the officer wasn't in there is because my mom grabbed the money and goes, and, put it in her pocket. And no one else was in there.

Detective EE: She's just stealing her money back from the girl that stole it.

Lee: Exactly (laughs). Exactly. And I think they even uh, made a comment to that extent.

Detective EE: Okay

Lee: Uhm, but...

Detective EE: She looked like it's probably mine anyway.

Lee: Exactly

Detective EE: Uh-hum (affirmative)

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning -

One of the lawyers on NG said that it is very hard to get a conviction when you have a combination of these 3:

No body

No murder weapon

No murder scene

(something like that).

Nancy agreed with him.


I watched that exchange last night. I am not discouraged at all, I believe that LE has eveything they need to charge the odious creature with homicide. Jeanine Pirro on The Today Show explained that the hold up is that the DA is trying to determine exactly what level of homicide to charge. I agree with her.

IMO, there is absolutely no doubt that Caylee was dead in the trunk of that car and they have the evidence to prove it. At this point in time they have yet to decide how Caylee died. Was it reckless homicide, manslaughter, first degree murder etc?

Once all the evidence is in they will determine what level of homicide to charge, one that they can prove in court beyond a reasonable doubt.

There is no rush, she isn't going anywhere.

Just finished Amy's interview, poor Amy: "Pop! A big old bubble popped."

[crymeariver2006]

Until we know when those chloroform searches were, I don't think we are going to have an answer to that. IMO, if the searches were before June 16th - it is pretty good evidence of what she did with it. If it was after, then I think it was used to clean the car.


The only thing about the theory that chloroform was used to clean the car is that the Anthonys didn't have the car until 7/15. That means they would have had to search, purchase online, and have it delivered all before the police got there. The same day.

[Kathlb]

I had the same feeling Pru - especially whenever he was laughing while referring to the horrific odor (don't know how they made it home in that car ha ha ha), etc. etc.

Nothing about that odor should have been amusing to him under the circumstances.

I think it would help a lot if we could hear the tapes. It would help us to determine so much more on everyone's interview. The written word can be so easily read into where if you can hear it, there's usually no mistaking how someone feels at the time. I hope they release the tapes at some time. MOO

[?noanswer]

Page 222 of the 317 pages released (or if you are using the numbers handwritten in the bottom right hand corner, it is page 1448)

Lee: "....And when my mother at that point had opened up my sister's wallet, she had actually opened up my sister's wallet because she was looking through the contents of this large wallet, saw unfolded, it had to be a minimum of a hundred and forty, maybe as much as two hundred dollars just from seeing the number of bills, straight twenty dollar bills were taken out. And the reason why I know the officer wasn't in there is because my mom grabbed the money and goes, and, put it in her pocket. And no one else was in there.

Detective EE: She's just stealing her money back from the girl that stole it.

Lee: Exactly (laughs). Exactly. And I think they even uh, made a comment to that extent.

Detective EE: Okay

Lee: Uhm, but...

Detective EE: She looked like it's probably mine anyway.

Lee: Exactly

Detective EE: Uh-hum (affirmative)

I was surprised that they found her purse. IIRC, it was reported that her purse was left in the car.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Honestly, the purse incident didn't bother me much. I think at that point Cindy thought that Casey would lead LE to Caylee at her friend's house or wherever she was and the incident would be done. Cindy sees the money in Casey's wallet and is just so po'd at Casey for putting her through all of this. Cindy saw the money and grabbed it. Honestly, I would have probably done the same thing. I think their suspect behavior influences what we think of EVERYTHING the Anthony's do and I guess rightfully so but I'm not seeing "who she is" based on that one incident.

I think that Cindy is feeling tremendous guilt. She is probably thinking that she is responsible for all of this. The questions she must ask herself... where did I go wrong? why did I let her go on like that all of this time? why didn't I put a stop to it? why didn't I go after custody of Caylee a long time ago? was I so critical of Casey that I drove her to this? While the Anthony's no longer have my sympathy based on their treatment of others, I still can't imagine what they are going through. The media, the protestor's, the endless arrests and battles with LE, and even the tension in the house are all a nice distraction for them now. But there will come a time when they will be alone with their thoughts and will ultimately have to come to grips with reality... presumably after the trial and conviction of their daughter. It may not be today, it may not be next year, but it will come and I would not wish that on anyone.

Good post. :beer:

[kakax]

I'm such a nosey nellie....I called WFTV and asked why the text messages and pictures from myspace weren't on their website. The guy said they should be. He said if they weren't, they would be added shortly. Has anyone seen these text messages on anyone's website?

[Armchairdet]

I think it would help a lot if we could hear the tapes. It would help us to determine so much more on everyone's interview. The written word can be so easily read into where if you can hear it, there's usually no mistaking how someone feels at the time. I hope they release the tapes at some time. MOO

IIRC once the audio came out with LE interviewing Casey it only served to make people more angry than reading the transcript had. IMO

[anyonesguess]

I really do not know what the public expects Cindy to do. Would she be expected to go on national TV and say "Yes my daughter is a murderer and should get the death penalty?" She IS Casey's mother, even the worst and horrific murderers parents never did that, so why would it be expected of these parents?

Even Jeffrey's Dahmers parents stood by him...The only difference here is that Caylee is missing and it is possible and more then likely that the parents know she is deceased, BUT in making Casey talk would be the same as saying put my daughter to death for this murder. I really do not know of too many parents that would do that.

YES, I would want to bring my granddaughter home for a proper burial and yes I would be wishing that this never happened and I really do not know how I would be reacting if I were in Cindy's shoes. But I doubt if I would be going against the child that I brought into this world.


Mark Hacking's family took the high road.

[SavannahStar]

Coming from someone who usually doesn't find 'sinister' in every turn, surprisingly I agree with you.

I ignored most of it until I got to the part where Lee laughed about his dad driving the car home and wondering how he survived it due to the smell, and then he laughs.

THAT laugh sent me over the edge.

No matter whose body that was, I find nothing at all funny about it.

I'm still thinking nervous laughter. Which is sometimes at the most inappropriate times. I also keep in mind that these are the words of a transcriptionist, taking everything off tape (right?). She/he is not seeing facial expressions. So what sounds like "regular" laughter on the tape may not be that at all.

[kakax]

The only thing about the theory that chloroform was used to clean the car is that the Anthonys didn't have the car until 7/15. That means they would have had to search, purchase online, and have it delivered all before the police got there. The same day.

But Casey had a month to clean it. She could have ordered it, gotten it and tried to clean the car.

[anyonesguess]

Here is the part that escaped you and why she's not doing hard time for life - because it's only "according to this board."

LOL

Try looking up the word sarcastic in my first response to you when I said ITA.

[SavannahStar]

Wanting him to feel comfortable. You get more information that way. Good Copy /Bad cop.

Doesn't matter what that investigator thinks. Cindy was obstructing justice at the time of taking that money, and in all likelyhood it was AMY's money. Cindy is a Thief, and a Sneak. Just like her daughter.

You may call it obstructing justice but I don't believe LE sees it that way. We'll find out if she ever gets charged. Which I doubt.

[Regina.Lampert]

I had the same feeling Pru - especially whenever he was laughing while referring to the horrific odor (don't know how they made it home in that car ha ha ha), etc. etc.

Nothing about that odor should have been amusing to him under the circumstances.

lee is another immature kid of cynthia and george. He was all caught up in his newly designated junior investigator role, just one of the boys helping to solve this case. Corporal Edwards, who I am just loving for his talent of connecting with these witnesses, played him like a fiddle to get information. IMO.

Creepy lee was only thinking of showing off, Caylee wasn't even a blip on his radar. IMO.

[SandyO]

The only thing about the theory that chloroform was used to clean the car is that the Anthonys didn't have the car until 7/15. That means they would have had to search, purchase online, and have it delivered all before the police got there. The same day.

And if George had purchased and used the chloroform to clean the car, why not just say so? No crime in that.

[crymeariver2006]

Good morning..
It's a good day for an arrest!!


Or for Casey to try and make a run for it!

:D

[anyonesguess]

You may call it obstructing justice but I don't believe LE sees it that way. We'll find out if she ever gets charged. Which I doubt.

She is a thief at the very least. Just like her daughter.

[SavannahStar]

I really do not know what the public expects Cindy to do. Would she be expected to go on national TV and say "Yes my daughter is a murderer and should get the death penalty?" She IS Casey's mother, even the worst and horrific murderers parents never did that, so why would it be expected of these parents?

Even Jeffrey's Dahmers parents stood by him...The only difference here is that Caylee is missing and it is possible and more then likely that the parents know she is deceased, BUT in making Casey talk would be the same as saying put my daughter to death for this murder. I really do not know of too many parents that would do that.

YES, I would want to bring my granddaughter home for a proper burial and yes I would be wishing that this never happened and I really do not know how I would be reacting if I were in Cindy's shoes. But I doubt if I would be going against the child that I brought into this world.

An early POST OF THE DAY award from me.

What you say in your first paragraph is what I have been wanting to post for weeks now but never came up with the right words.

:beer:

[crymeariver2006]

And if George had purchased and used the chloroform to clean the car, why not just say so? No crime in that.


Exactly. And if Cindy washed the pants on 7/15, why wait until 8/4 to tell the police about it?

There is no crime in unknowingly or unwittingly destroying evidence. As long as you don't lie about it, or lie by omission.

I don't doubt that George cleaned the car, inside and out. I've thought that ever since he uttered the words "Arm & Hammer laundry detergent". When you see the photos of the car, it is pristine white and the black "bra" thingy on the front is clean. AFTER being in storage for almost three weeks. It didn't get that way sitting in George's garage IMO.

I do doubt, however, the use of chloroform for cleaning. Unless he used it all the time for that purpose and just had it lying around. If he did, then that's where Casey found it IMO. But what I don't understand is if that were the case, why they all weren't knocked down from it if he used it in the garage.

[Fallen Angel]

Here is what I think I've learned so far from reading the Lee, Amy & Tony stuff:
Partying has changed a lot from when I was young- beer pong? no clothes? And I thought FLA. was for retirees.:lol:
Casey & Co. went to a LOT of parties.
George liked to clean his car.
EVERYONE knew about the smell in the car.
EVERYONE knew Casey was a liar & a thief.
Nobody knew Zani .

ANd did I read that correctly that the police officer left the A's alone with Casey's purse?

Anyone know what the "ID' in the wallet was that the P.O. snatched?

I am just so worried- especially after NG last night- that LE is looking for a body to nail down this case. I'm just worried that after all this time, it's not gonna happen.

Not only did nobody knew Zani, Lee said he never even HEARD of her.

[Fallen Angel]

What an excellent, heartfelt post.

The public is never going to be satisfied because they've already put Cindy in their cross hairs. She won't escape that no matter what she does.

I so agree with you, and find it amusing for example that the very same people who have claimed that Cindy should have been more responsible about her care of Caylee and should have never let Casey (her own mother, mind you), take Caylee out of that house, and because she did, by golly Cindy is responsible for Caylee's disappearance, and blah blah blah rant on..........

And then later, these same people turn around and call Cindy controlling. LOL

I personally do not blame Cindy, George, or Lee for Caylee's disappearance.

After reading some of the 600 pages do you still feel like Caylee's alive?

[kitty1182]

Or for Casey to try and make a run for it!

:D

Run Casey Run! :chicken:

[Regina.Lampert]

I really do not know what the public expects Cindy to do. Would she be expected to go on national TV and say "Yes my daughter is a murderer and should get the death penalty?" She IS Casey's mother, even the worst and horrific murderers parents never did that, so why would it be expected of these parents?

Even Jeffrey's Dahmers parents stood by him...The only difference here is that Caylee is missing and it is possible and more then likely that the parents know she is deceased, BUT in making Casey talk would be the same as saying put my daughter to death for this murder. I really do not know of too many parents that would do that.

YES, I would want to bring my granddaughter home for a proper burial and yes I would be wishing that this never happened and I really do not know how I would be reacting if I were in Cindy's shoes. But I doubt if I would be going against the child that I brought into this world.


What should cynthia do?

1. Stop lying.
2. Stop destroying evidence.
3. Stop criticizing the police.
4. Stop criticizing Tim Miller and the searchers.
5. Woman up and advise her daughter to tell the truth, instead of enabling her by assisting in her outrageous, unbelievable lies.

cynthia and george anthony should be more concerned about their daughter's afterlife, as she stands before God for what she has done to Caylee, that is true love.

IMO.

[crymeariver2006]

But Casey had a month to clean it. She could have ordered it, gotten it and tried to clean the car.

IMO, Casey wasn't that industrious.

If she had somebody's credit card, it was NOT going to be used for something like cleaning products. Not when there's perfectly good jeans and tops to buy! :D

[kitty1182]

I personally do not blame Cindy, George, or Lee for Caylee's disappearance.

After reading some of the 600 pages do you still feel like Caylee's alive?

I can't imagine anyone thinking she is alive.

[trich]

That was an investigator. They extract information.


Exactly...they try to be your "friend" while they are questioning
you .If they got all in a huff with a possible witness they could
ruin the whole interview.
If the investigator said something ugly about Cindy taking that money at that time Lee would have gotten all defensive and clamed up.
They pretty much know how to handle witnesses and suspects
and have to get on their level to be able to get them to open up.

[kitty1182]

What should cynthia do?

1. Stop lying.
2. Stop destroying evidence.
3. Stop criticizing the police.
4. Stop criticizing Tim Miller and the searchers.
5. Woman up and advise her daughter to tell the truth, instead of enabling her by assisting in her outrageous, unbelievable lies.

cynthia and george anthony should be more concerned about their daughter's afterlife, as she stands before God for what she has done to Caylee, that is true love.

IMO.

AMEN!! Great post!

[crymeariver2006]

Run Casey Run! :chicken:



:lol:


I think we're the only two hoping for her to do just that.

[dixielover]

I really think we will know more about the chlorform when we learn about the hits on the computer.. I can just hear GA saying that chloroform is a common chemical used in details car-did LA state he use to detail cars. They seem to have an explanation for everything. I know there is a lot that LE has that we haven't heard. jmo

[GrannyB]

Did anyone notice in Morales' statement that it was at his apt. that Caylee got one of the bruises that people had been talking about, and that he was there and it was an accident? That she ran into a table?

I saw that. Sounds like a typical 3 year old. I think if there had been physical abuse during her 3 years others would have been talking about it. The lady that saw the bruises probably didn't think anything about it until Caylee was missing.

[anyonesguess]

What should cynthia do?

1. Stop lying.
2. Stop destroying evidence.
3. Stop criticizing the police.
4. Stop criticizing Tim Miller and the searchers.
5. Woman up and advise her daughter to tell the truth, instead of enabling her by assisting in her outrageous, unbelievable lies.

cynthia and george anthony should be more concerned about their daughter's afterlife, as she stands before God for what she has done to Caylee, that is true love.

IMO.

Regina, ITA. WHat you mentioned above would be the greatest gift a Cindy could ever give Casey imo.

[Regina.Lampert]

Exactly. And if Cindy washed the pants on 7/15, why wait until 8/4 to tell the police about it?

There is no crime in unknowingly or unwittingly destroying evidence. As long as you don't lie about it, or lie by omission.

I don't doubt that George cleaned the car, inside and out. I've thought that ever since he uttered the words "Arm & Hammer laundry detergent". When you see the photos of the car, it is pristine white and the black "bra" thingy on the front is clean. AFTER being in storage for almost three weeks. It didn't get that way sitting in George's garage IMO.

I do doubt, however, the use of chloroform for cleaning. Unless he used it all the time for that purpose and just had it lying around. If he did, then that's where Casey found it IMO. But what I don't understand is if that were the case, why they all weren't knocked down from it if he used it in the garage.


I agree with you. I do not think george had chloroform just lying around. For one thing it is a very hazardous material and has to be stored very carefully.

I believe the reports of the searches for how to use chloroform on the computer and also of the significant amounts of chloroform found.

The dates of the search and by whom is going to be paramount. IMO.

[kakax]

IMO, Casey wasn't that industrious.

If she had somebody's credit card, it was NOT going to be used for something like cleaning products. Not when there's perfectly good jeans and tops to buy! :D


I have to agree with that rofl! Which makes me think the chloroform was used to either make Caylee sleep or to intentionally murder her. I'm thinking that she needed Caylee to sleep in the trunk.:(

[barskin&co.]

This is Lee talking to reporters. This is how he always talks to reporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzqGiVK6_Dc

[SandyO]

:lol:


I think we're the only two hoping for her to do just that.

I can think of nowhere in this entire country Casey could run to.

[jbellaj]

I can't find where I can print off all of the doc's...Does anyone have a good link? The one on the link thread says page not found.:shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

Wanting him to feel comfortable. You get more information that way. Good Copy /Bad cop.

Doesn't matter what that investigator thinks. Cindy was obstructing justice at the time of taking that money, and in all likelyhood it was AMY's money. Cindy is a Thief, and a Sneak. Just like her daughter.


Hey, what's a few twenties when your grandaughter's missing and the car smells like death?

I personally would have had other things on my mind. But it does go right along with all the other inappropriate things they have said and done.

[Fallen Angel]

I can't imagine anyone thinking she is alive.

well, we'll have to wait and see what DG has to say ;)

[Regina.Lampert]

Regina, ITA. WHat you mentioned above would be the greatest gift a Cindy could ever give Casey imo.

It would. If cynthia and george can get their daughter to tell LE exactly what happened, the entire family could start the healing process, imo.

[GrannyB]

What should cynthia do?

1. Stop lying.
2. Stop destroying evidence.
3. Stop criticizing the police.
4. Stop criticizing Tim Miller and the searchers.
5. Woman up and advise her daughter to tell the truth, instead of enabling her by assisting in her outrageous, unbelievable lies.

cynthia and george anthony should be more concerned about their daughter's afterlife, as she stands before God for what she has done to Caylee, that is true love.

IMO.


The truth is always the right thing. The Anthony's really some sick people. All four of them just cannot tell the truth about anything.

[babblefishie]

Good Morning !
I, like others, believe that the family was conspiring to protect Casey prior to the last 911 call, however I am having difficulty understanding Cindy's verbage to LE during that call. It seemed she was implying that Casey was possibly responsible. Why not "invent" an alternative scenario that wouldn't be so damning to Casey ?
Any thoughts? :shrug:

Morning all! :seeya:
Personally, linspar, I believe that Cindy had a horrible feeling something was wrong, but just didn't think things were THAT wrong. I think she was trying to push Casey into confessing to lesser evils. Then panic set in and it caught up to her... stench in car, 31 days... this is bad... Then she just settled into a cozy denial after that. Casey says it's squirrels. Okay it's squirrels. Later on I think her denial turned into US vs THEM mentality as the media and popular opinion regarding the family turned. Now I think it's a combination of worry that she may have somehow contributed to this and fury about people knowing the family's business and judging them as bad people. :shrug:

[sofiesmom]

Hi, Pru. I can attribute that to nervous laughter. I broke out laughing at a beloved aunt's funeral and I've never been so embarrassed in my whole life. I never understood why that happened, it was hideous, and I had to pretend I was crying.I've also had to pretend to be crying when I was laughing inappropriately. I was hysterically laughing in church and had to leave. Then when I went back, the laughter came back. I had to summon up the saddest thing I could think of, and my SIL rushed to comfort me.

I haven't heard or read much of Lee's interviews because my computer has a new virus, so I can't weigh in on his laughter. But I do understand inappropriate laughter. I've noticed that I do nervous laughter in coversations about serious things.

[barskin&co.]

I can't find where I can print off all of the doc's...Does anyone have a good link? The one on the link thread says page not found.:shrug:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42528488.pdf

[crymeariver2006]

I can think of nowhere in this entire country Casey could run to.


Oh we know that. It wouldn't take but about fifteen minutes to catch her and she goes back to jail to stay until trial.

That's why we're hoping she'd at least try.

;)


But that's Casey for you. She's not gonna run unless someone else does the planning and hoisting her out the window.

[OneUp]

Did anyone notice in Morales' statement that it was at his apt. that Caylee got one of the bruises that people had been talking about, and that he was there and it was an accident? That she ran into a table?
I did note that. So, She did in fact have a bruise ( no one's eyes had to be playing tricks on them :) ), and there was a witness/logical explanation. As I said, I'd never file a finding of abuse/neglect based soley on a photograph...no one responsible would. That does NOT mean that a photo isn't enough evidence to warrant checking into a bruise, just not enough to conclude abuse.

That said, the sleeping in the bed with Morales still LEGALLY constitutes abuse. I can't see any social worker removing a child over it, but it is considered psychological sexual abuse ( improper boundaries physically between adult and child). IRL, a social worker would advise the parent to discontinue the action and give a referrral to parenting classes and/or counseling for that. It's the sort of dumb thing many young mothers do..never realizing the potential impact on a child.
Not the end of the world...but in this case it may be a part of a larger colection of issues.
JMO.

[kakax]

Oh we know that. It wouldn't take but about fifteen minutes to catch her and she goes back to jail to stay until trial.

That's why we're hoping she'd at least try.

;)


But that's Casey for you. She's not gonna run unless someone else does the planning and hoisting her out the window.

It would take less because her house is surrounded by media rofl!

[babblefishie]

I have to agree with that rofl! Which makes me think the chloroform was used to either make Caylee sleep or to intentionally murder her. I'm thinking that she needed Caylee to sleep in the trunk.:(

I agree, that's been my take all along. Casey had gotten into a habit of "storing" her daughter places while she partied. She probably progressed from xanax or sleeping pills to chloroform as Caylee aged and the risk of her telling increased. I think in fallout after the fight with her family, she got either sloppy or vindictive and the dose was either too much or the time in the car too long or both. Then she just sort of "forgot about it"for a while. Just like she did her pregnancy. Casey is no planner.

[anyonesguess]

Quote:
Originally Posted by crymeariver2006
Oh we know that. It wouldn't take but about fifteen minutes to catch her and she goes back to jail to stay until trial.

That's why we're hoping she'd at least try.

But that's Casey for you. She's not gonna run unless someone else does the planning and hoisting her out the window.

It would take less because her house is surrounded by media rofl!

==================================
It would take less because her house is surrounded by media rofl!


You are right, and I am sure they would all notice someone trying to hurdle the yellow tape and sticks, wearing fearless fly sunglasses.

[SandyO]

I've also had to pretend to be crying when I was laughing inappropriately. I was hysterically laughing in church and had to leave. Then when I went back, the laughter came back. I had to summon up the saddest thing I could think of, and my SIL rushed to comfort me.

I haven't heard or read much of Lee's interviews because my computer has a new virus, so I can't weigh in on his laughter. But I do understand inappropriate laughter. I've noticed that I do nervous laughter in coversations about serious things.

It's the most mortifying thing, isn't it? I wish we could HEAR Lee's interview rather than reading it, so we could get a better impression of what was really happening.

[kakax]

Quote:
Originally Posted by crymeariver2006
Oh we know that. It wouldn't take but about fifteen minutes to catch her and she goes back to jail to stay until trial.

That's why we're hoping she'd at least try.

But that's Casey for you. She's not gonna run unless someone else does the planning and hoisting her out the window.

It would take less because her house is surrounded by media rofl!

==================================



You are right, and I am sure they would all notice someone trying to hurdle the yellow tape and sticks, wearing fearless fly sunglasses.


I so love that visual:chicken:

[desmom]

I agree with you on the purse incident. No big deal at all considering the fact that Casey also stole money from Cindy, not counting endless credit cards, etc.

Had Casey not stolen money and other things from Cindy, and then Cindy pocketed that money, I'd have a completely different take on it.

Actually I think they're probably pretty alone with their thoughts in that house even with Casey there, because I doubt that Casey is sharing much truth with them.

Or for that matter, perhaps with anyone at all, including Baez.

Just hours before the Cindy pocketed the $$$ from Casey's wallet, Amy's conversation with Cindy in the car per Amy's interview in the 400 page documents:

Amy: We only had a limited amount of time to talk. um, and so she's telling me all this how like Casey had been stealing money from her for years. How she had stolen money from her eighty year old grandmother by using a routing number on a birthday check and like all of this stuff. And I was like so that's where my four hundred dollars went.

Detective: Uh-huh (Affirmative)

Amy And she's like yeah you're not getting that back. I was like, I realize. Um, so that all happened on the way there.

[Kathlb]

I agree with you. I do not think george had chloroform just lying around. For one thing it is a very hazardous material and has to be stored very carefully.

I believe the reports of the searches for how to use chloroform on the computer and also of the significant amounts of chloroform found.

The dates of the search and by whom is going to be paramount. IMO.

I have heard that they were on Casey's computer and they said on Nancy Grace one night that one of the searches was for "how to administer it to a person". If all that's true, that's pretty damning. MOO

[desmom]

I was surprised that they found her purse. IIRC, it was reported that her purse was left in the car.

JMO

I believe Cindy said the purse was in the car. jmo

[anyonesguess]

I've also had to pretend to be crying when I was laughing inappropriately. I was hysterically laughing in church and had to leave. Then when I went back, the laughter came back. I had to summon up the saddest thing I could think of, and my SIL rushed to comfort me.

I haven't heard or read much of Lee's interviews because my computer has a new virus, so I can't weigh in on his laughter. But I do understand inappropriate laughter. I've noticed that I do nervous laughter in coversations about serious things.

I do laugh when I get nervous. At my husbands Grandmothers funeral last year we were all saying the Lord's Prayer, and when it got to the part about lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, my SIL sitting next to me said one nation, under God, and then we both looked at each other and I lost it and so did she. We had to pretend we were crying in grief. I really was crying but not for the right reasons. It was actually awful and embarrassing.

[GrannyB]

I believe Cindy said the purse was in the car. jmo


I thought Lee said when he went to Tony's he brought the purse back and LE let them dump it all out on the floor. I've been reading it all night so I could be wrong.

[anyonesguess]

I believe Cindy said the purse was in the car. jmo


Yes, it appears the purse was left in the car, but the billfold/wallet she carried was NOT imo unless I read it wrong.

[puppies]

This is Lee talking to reporters. This is how he always talks to reporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzqGiVK6_Dc

Thanks barskin!:)

[Regina.Lampert]

Hey, what's a few twenties when your grandaughter's missing and the car smells like death?

I personally would have had other things on my mind. But it does go right along with all the other inappropriate things they have said and done.

Appalling, cynthia removing that money from casey's wallet, imo. Puts the reports of potential money making deals for the anthonys story into clear focus, imo. Is there any lengths to which this family will refuse to go in making money off the death of Caylee?

:mad:

[commonguymd]

That was Corp. Edwards, and as I said, he didn't seem to think a thing of it, in fact he gave it credibility with his statement.

LOL. I didn't realize investigators were in the business of commenting one way or another on every single piece of evidence or information in a deposition when trying to get information. Certainly I didn't realize that she acknowledge to a potential witness that the testimony is damaging to anyone. New one to me. I learn every day I guess.

[num1barb]

What should cynthia do?

1. Stop lying.
2. Stop destroying evidence.
3. Stop criticizing the police.
4. Stop criticizing Tim Miller and the searchers.
5. Woman up and advise her daughter to tell the truth, instead of enabling her by assisting in her outrageous, unbelievable lies.

cynthia and george anthony should be more concerned about their daughter's afterlife, as she stands before God for what she has done to Caylee, that is true love.

IMO.

ITA, the time to stop is NOW cindy. TODAY. Read up on the Lori Hacking case and mimic the Hacking family. TODAY cindy TODAY. It's been 100 days since Caylee was last seen, how long are you going to let this charade go on???

[SavannahStar]

Morning all! :seeya:
Personally, linspar, I believe that Cindy had a horrible feeling something was wrong, but just didn't think things were THAT wrong. I think she was trying to push Casey into confessing to lesser evils. Then panic set in and it caught up to her... stench in car, 31 days... this is bad... Then she just settled into a cozy denial after that. Casey says it's squirrels. Okay it's squirrels. Later on I think her denial turned into US vs THEM mentality as the media and popular opinion regarding the family turned. Now I think it's a combination of worry that she may have somehow contributed to this and fury about people knowing the family's business and judging them as bad people. :shrug:


I think that's VERY perceptive, babblefishie! (Love your nic!)

[Pooh]

Good morning all! :seeya: Man oh man, those additional documents were REALLY something. Holy cow. My eyes were stuck to my computer reading it all. That statement from Lee about Cindy taking Amy's money from Casey's wallet was really something. Cindy thought it belonged to HER! HA! Not so much.

[desmom]

I thought Lee said when he went to Tony's he brought the purse back and LE let them dump it all out on the floor. I've been reading it all night so I could be wrong.

You are correct, but Cindy said the purse was in the car during one of interviews several weeks ago. jmo

[kitty1182]

I can think of nowhere in this entire country Casey could run to.

LOL, I know but she would go back to jail if she tried to run..:beer:

[kitty1182]

You are correct, but Cindy said the purse was in the car during one of interviews several weeks ago. jmo

She sure did say that..

[trich]

I thought Lee said when he went to Tony's he brought the purse back and LE let them dump it all out on the floor. I've been reading it all night so I could be wrong.



That is what I read too!
He dumped everything out on the floor that he brought back from Tony's.

Cindy went through it all.
At that time the LE did not have authority to do it.

[GrannyB]

Appalling, cynthia removing that money from casey's wallet, imo. Puts the reports of potential money making deals for the anthonys story into clear focus, imo. Is there any lengths to which this family will refuse to go in making money off the death of Caylee?

:mad:

I try to put myself in that situation and I probably would throw the money to the floor and keep trying to find a scrape of paper showing me where my grandchild. They Anthony's never have an appropriate response to anything.

[OneUp]

Wanting him to feel comfortable. You get more information that way. Good Copy /Bad cop.

Doesn't matter what that investigator thinks. Cindy was obstructing justice at the time of taking that money, and in all likelyhood it was AMY's money. Cindy is a Thief, and a Sneak. Just like her daughter.ITA. It is a morality issue, and a LEGAL one. You simply cannot take money that is not yours, not even if a person "owes" you money in some fashion.
Many people might feel ok about keeping a wallet they found full of money too...but that is illegal as well. I'd never do it as it is immoral. Period. I DID fail to turn a wallet I found over to the police once. It had no ID in it and I ran an add in the college paper for it (it was found on campus) when no one called to claim it, I dropped the money in the church collection box. That is when I found out that it was illegal for me to do even that....IMO, it is ALWAYS immoral to keep "found" money. Esp. ig you know darn well it may be someone elses.
JMO.

[puppies]

FGS,it's been such a long time,I am beginning to think that Casey got some help from someone,she ain't that smart to hide a body so well that nobody can find it.:mad:

She left so many traces of her crime,who helped her out with hiding the body I wanna know.or was she just lucky so far ?

Justice for sweet Caylee.:rose:

[SavannahStar]

I have heard that they were on Casey's computer and they said on Nancy Grace one night that one of the searches was for "how to administer it to a person". If all that's true, that's pretty damning. MOO


I've never heard that anywhere. If NG said that.......well......no comment. LOL.

[desmom]

Yes, it appears the purse was left in the car, but the billfold/wallet she carried was NOT imo unless I read it wrong.

Pages 216 & 217 of yesterday's documents. Lee is explaining what he picked up from Tony's apt.

Lee: ....So uh, the laptop, uhm, a very large uhm, leopard print duffel bag that had all of her clothing and items uhm, in there. Uhm, a uhm, a backpack, a white backpack with kind of a uh, you know, a pattern or you know, a symbol on that uhm, that also had some more clothing items in there. Uhm, a large purse and some, you know, some kind of you know, female items. You know things like that like her toiletries and that kind of stuff.

[GrannyB]

ITA. It is a morality issue, and a LEGAL one. You simply cannot take money that is not yours, not even if a person "owes" you money in some fashion.
Many people might feel ok about keeping a wallet they found full of money too...but that is illegal as well. I'd never do it as it is immoral. Period. I DID fail to turn a wallet I found over to the police once. It had no ID in it and I ran an add in the college paper for it (it was found on campus) when no one called to claim it, I dropped the money in the church collection box. That is when I found out that it was illegal for me to do even that....IMO, it is ALWAYS immoral to keep "found" money. Esp. ig you know darn well it may be someone elses.
JMO.

We know it wasn't Casey money. Probably wasn't Cindy's either, more of a chance it was Amy's.

[OneUp]

well Sandy, laughing during an interview about a missing child, facing the unknown, is off center. behaving as if its a find waldo puzzle....Ive laughed and kidded with many a person at funerals, who hasnt? when someone is dead, its final, and depending on the circumstances, such as a funny eulogy, for example, its not unusual, or people exchanging fond memories.

missing child, careful stepping in an interview and laughing about the smell, no, he's 'off' IMO.

where are the outbursts, OMG, IM SO WORRIED! no excited utterances. 'all business'...

best regards,
Pru
I think you have hit upon my issue with Lee, Pru. It was not the laughing throughout that was weirdest to me...it is the almost excited way he talks about "investigating" in the interview, and several times early on in the news.
Lee not only put himself into the thick of things trying to play junior PI ( all the information should be left to LE, and he darn well knows that as the child of former LE), he just seems oddly efusive about the entire situation. The High five exchange was just the final stroke for me.
In a way it reminds me of criminals who insert themselves into investigations...it just strikes me as creepy and highly inappropriate.
JMO.

[anyonesguess]

Pages 216 & 217 of yesterday's documents. Lee is explaining what he picked up from Tony's apt.

Lee: ....So uh, the laptop, uhm, a very large uhm, leopard print duffel bag that had all of her clothing and items uhm, in there. Uhm, a uhm, a backpack, a white backpack with kind of a uh, you know, a pattern or you know, a symbol on that uhm, that also had some more clothing items in there. Uhm, a large purse and some, you know, some kind of you know, female items. You know things like that like her toiletries and that kind of stuff.


TY Des. Maybe she had more than one purse and she just dumped one of them? :shrug:

[Regina.Lampert]

I bet cynthia never attempted to reimburse Amy for her losses. They have no moral compass, imo.[/color]

[GrannyB]

Pages 216 & 217 of yesterday's documents. Lee is explaining what he picked up from Tony's apt.

Lee: ....So uh, the laptop, uhm, a very large uhm, leopard print duffel bag that had all of her clothing and items uhm, in there. Uhm, a uhm, a backpack, a white backpack with kind of a uh, you know, a pattern or you know, a symbol on that uhm, that also had some more clothing items in there. Uhm, a large purse and some, you know, some kind of you know, female items. You know things like that like her toiletries and that kind of stuff.

Thanks for finding that. My eyes are too tired to go looking. :)

[kakax]

About halfway through this video, Judge Andrew N. explained very clearly what was released and more importantly what wasn't released. He said that the investigators only have to release what they will NOT use in a grand jury to indict Casey. He said that while these were very interesting interviews, they wouldn't use these to go for further charges.

What we know hasn't been released is what is important.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7499856&version=1&locale=EN-US

[anyonesguess]

That is because you are honest oneup, something this family has not idea what the word means imo.

[barskin&co.]

I think you have hit upon my issue with Lee, Pru. It was not the laughing throughout that was weirdest to me...it is the almost excited way he talks about "investigating" in the interview, and several times early on in the news.
Lee not only put himself into the thick of things trying to play junior PI ( all the information should be left to LE, and he darn well knows that as the child of former LE), he just seems oddly efusive about the entire situation. The High five exchange was just the final stroke for me.
In a way it reminds me of criminals who insert themselves into investigations...it just strikes me as creepy and highly inappropriate.
JMO.

Here, again, is a link to Lee talking to reporters, and it is the way he always seems to talk to reporters: comfortable, chatty, making with the jokes and laughing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzqGiVK6_Dc

[Pooh]

About halfway through this video, Judge Andrew N. explained very clearly what was released and more importantly what wasn't released. He said that the investigators only have to release what they will NOT use in a grand jury to indict Casey. He said that while these were very interesting interviews, they wouldn't use these to go for further charges.

What we know hasn't been released is what is important.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7499856&version=1&locale=EN-US
WOW! That's wild! Where is the indictment already??!! This stuff is powerful so what they haven't released must really be something. imo

[Fallen Angel]

Lee's sworn statement is not a deposition - they are legally two different things.

Edwards nor Lee, the two who are involved in this conversation exchange about Cindy pocketing the money - neither of them is a she.

I think you need more coffee.

DG, do you still feel like Caylee's alive?

[GrannyB]

I found it interesting in Jesse's interview when he was trying to figure out who was watching Caylee between 9-15 of June if Cindys wasn't and Casey was with people without Caylee. I would really like to know who that person was.

[Regina.Lampert]

I've never heard that anywhere. If NG said that.......well......no comment. LOL.

Yes, Nancy Grace reported that the night it was revealed to the media from sources within the police department.

[marshmallow]

as each crumb of information is exposed, I wonder how the tension in the house is. Things were apparently a wee bit tense before all of this, now Casey's forced to be there. She can't run off to a friend's house to hide until things cool off.

[marshmallow]

a question to everyone:
does any of this information gleened through these released documents change your thinking about this case, Casey, and whether or not Caylee's still alive?

[Pooh]

as each crumb of information is exposed, I wonder how the tension in the house is. Things were apparently a wee bit tense before all of this, now Casey's forced to be there. She can't run off to a friend's house to hide until things cool off.
Very good point. I bet it's harder on Cindy since she can't demand anything from Casey at this point since she's represented by counsel. I hope she has plenty of valium at home to keep her calm. I'm afraid I'd be all over that little child of mine if Casey belonged to me. :cuss:

[not.another]

Does anyone think that Puerto Rico ties into this somehow? In the
documents just released it mentioned that Casey was supposed to
go with her friends to Puerto Rico and that she actually planned
some of the trip, and then she ends up not being able to go. I
think she had alot of resentment towards Caylee (and Cindy) because
she couldn't go. This could be a huge motive, as well as Casey
telling alot of her friends that Caylee was dragging her down. imo

[Texas48]

I'm starting to think the chloroform was used to clean the trunk. That smell was horrible according to Lee..and they knew what it was..Lee says George always cleaned the cars. JMO

I believe George was in charge of keeping the vehicles clean on a regular basis but I just cannot believe he or Lee had ever used chloroform as a cleaner for cars or household use. I have tried to think about this therory and it just does not work for me. I am not certain this type of product would remove the smell. The only thing I know would remove the smell would be to set the car on fire destroying car and smell. JMO as always.

[alisa31235]

has caseys attorney made a statement about all the new information? is she still going to his office everyday? trying to catch up

[GrannyB]

I've been looking for something to change my mind from the beginning and I haven't found it yet.:shrug: Have the rest of the documents been posted yet. I only found about 300 pages?

[Fallen Angel]

Fallen Angel made my hamster run a little faster :)


a question to everyone:
does any of this information gleened through these released documents change your thinking about this case, Casey, and whether or not Caylee's still alive?

YES it did for me......I thought Lee was an up front and honest guy and now i know he started off telling the truth but in the past few weeks he's started covering up for Casey IMO

AND i'll be honest i was holding out hope Caylee was alive but my hopes over and done, imo she's dead.

[Texas48]

And the motive isn't a mystery at all...............
Very few words to say it exact. Good posting. ITA

[Fallen Angel]

Do you still believe Caylee's alive?

[not.another]

Here again, out of your pure spite for Cindy, you show a double standard.

You gripe and moan about Cindy always covering for Casey, and yet now you feel that Cindy has some obligation to cover Casey's financial thefts?

LOL

Casey is of legal age, and should be expect to take responsibility for her own thievery, even if that means that she has to pay in it time served, it certainly doesn't make it Cindy's responsibility.


I just have to mention...It is quite apparent that Casey had NO responsibility towards anything as she was growing up. Geez, her mom
even did her laundry! My daughter is almost 13, and she's been doing her own laundry for a year.

[GrannyB]

Here again, out of your pure spite for Cindy, you show a double standard.

You gripe and moan about Cindy always covering for Casey, and yet now you feel that Cindy has some obligation to cover Casey's financial thefts?

LOL

Casey is of legal age, and should be expect to take responsibility for her own thievery, even if that means that she has to pay in it time served, it certainly doesn't make it Cindy's responsibility.


Cindy just took money from a purse that didn't belong to her. So I can assume the above should apply to her also?

[trt]

I really do not know what the public expects Cindy to do. Would she be expected to go on national TV and say "Yes my daughter is a murderer and should get the death penalty?" She IS Casey's mother, even the worst and horrific murderers parents never did that, so why would it be expected of these parents?

Even Jeffrey's Dahmers parents stood by him...The only difference here is that Caylee is missing and it is possible and more then likely that the parents know she is deceased, BUT in making Casey talk would be the same as saying put my daughter to death for this murder. I really do not know of too many parents that would do that.

YES, I would want to bring my granddaughter home for a proper burial and yes I would be wishing that this never happened and I really do not know how I would be reacting if I were in Cindy's shoes. But I doubt if I would be going against the child that I brought into this world.


I expect her to keep her mouth shut....don't tell me to get off my azz and look for Caylee(when she herself knows Caylee is dead)...don't spin the story to make Casey look innocent (she's leading you to a place, blah blah blah), don't trash and demean people who come out of kindness to help to look for Caylee (Tim and crew, etc.)...and on and on. There are many things that she could do to stand by her daughter (by virtue of the fact that she is there in their home shows Casey they support her, I don't need to be fed the nonsense) that don't involve any of the above. That she has failed to do that, especially now that we know she knew Caylee's fate is a little disgusting, IMO.

[babblefishie]

Good morning all! :seeya: Man oh man, those additional documents were REALLY something. Holy cow. My eyes were stuck to my computer reading it all. That statement from Lee about Cindy taking Amy's money from Casey's wallet was really something. Cindy thought it belonged to HER! HA! Not so much.

Part of me could see WHY Cindy did it, but part of me was kind of horrified.... It certainly makes it seem more possible that allocating donations could get a little "creative" around there!

[crymeariver2006]

Excellent response One! I found a $20 dollar bill outside of our local Food Lion and I took in into the store and gave it to the manager. My hub, bless his money hungry little heart, was flabbergasted that I did that....lol....until a few weeks later the manager stopped both of us in the store and thanked me because a little boy came in crying, saying he had lost the money his Mom gave him to buy things from the store.

I bet cynthia never attempted to reimburse Amy for her losses. They have no moral compass, imo.

Oh I think she did try and reimburse Amy - AFTER the charges came down. But only then.

[Nellie]

FGS,it's been such a long time,I am beginning to think that Casey got some help from someone,she ain't that smart to hide a body so well that nobody can find it.:mad:

She left so many traces of her crime,who helped her out with hiding the body I wanna know.or was she just lucky so far ?

Justice for sweet Caylee.:rose:

I believe she had help.....someone who would know how the LE part of this would work. There's is NO WAY she's smart enough to pull off the "perfect crime" where she just walks away. I honestly can't understand why she isn't under arrest for murder right now and pray there's a very good reason and it's not "lack of evidence".

[frances1]

I believe Cindy said the purse was in the car. jmo


What I remember from early in the case was that there was A purse left in the car, not necessarily the one Casey was using at the time. There was speculation that she deliberately left an empty purse visible, hoping that someone would break in the car and steal it (the car).

[Regina.Lampert]

About halfway through this video, Judge Andrew N. explained very clearly what was released and more importantly what wasn't released. He said that the investigators only have to release what they will NOT use in a grand jury to indict Casey. He said that while these were very interesting interviews, they wouldn't use these to go for further charges.

What we know hasn't been released is what is important.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7499856&version=1&locale=EN-US

Interesting report Kakax, thanks. Judge Neopolitan states that any information that the DA is going to use in the Grand Jury, will not be released. I notice that cynthia and george's statements were not released.

[jbellaj]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42528488.pdf

Thank you so much...it's printing now but it says 318 pages. I thought there was 600 pages :shrug:

[OneUp]

Morning all! :seeya:
Personally, linspar, I believe that Cindy had a horrible feeling something was wrong, but just didn't think things were THAT wrong. I think she was trying to push Casey into confessing to lesser evils. Then panic set in and it caught up to her... stench in car, 31 days... this is bad... Then she just settled into a cozy denial after that. Casey says it's squirrels. Okay it's squirrels. Later on I think her denial turned into US vs THEM mentality as the media and popular opinion regarding the family turned. Now I think it's a combination of worry that she may have somehow contributed to this and fury about people knowing the family's business and judging them as bad people. :shrug:That sounds about right to me. Her panic began the process, and the desire to "fix" things became it's own sort of monster...took on a life of it's own that has NOTHING to do with any facts or what Cindy saw/heard/smelled for her own self.
JMO

[desmom]

Fallen Angel made my hamster run a little faster :)


a question to everyone:
does any of this information gleened through these released documents change your thinking about this case, Casey, and whether or not Caylee's still alive?


It is obvious Cindy & Casey have a love/hate relationship. In the beginning, I thought maybe she had placed Casey with a family through private adoption.

When the decomp info came out, the stench in the car and the cadaver dogs hits on the car and in the yard, I changed my mind. The documents reinforce my belief Caylee is no longer with us.

jmo

[Fallen Angel]

I've been looking for something to change my mind from the beginning and I haven't found it yet.:shrug: Have the rest of the documents been posted yet. I only found about 300 pages?

So do you feel like caylee's dead or alive?

[crymeariver2006]

has caseys attorney made a statement about all the new information? is she still going to his office everyday? trying to catch up

Through his PR firm, Jose says there's nothing new in these documents. "Move along, nothing to see here"

That Jose is such a kidder!

:D

[Regina.Lampert]

I find a few posters' continual comments about certain things boring as well but I wouldn't say that to them on here. :(

(BTW, NG has been known to lie/exaggerate on her show. I realize you worship her, Regina, but that IS fact.)


I don't worship her, how absurd! I just am very tired of seeing posters criticize her show. Don't like her, don't watch, why do we have to hear about it?

I give Nancy Grace high marks for keeping this case front and center.

[GrannyB]

So do you feel like caylee's dead or alive?

I don't think Caylee is alive anymore. And then there is a little part of me that says this family is so screwed up nothing would really surprise me. :shrug:

[jessjam]

What should cynthia do?

1. Stop lying.
2. Stop destroying evidence.
3. Stop criticizing the police.
4. Stop criticizing Tim Miller and the searchers.
5. Woman up and advise her daughter to tell the truth, instead of enabling her by assisting in her outrageous, unbelievable lies.

cynthia and george anthony should be more concerned about their daughter's afterlife, as she stands before God for what she has done to Caylee, that is true love.

IMO.

I totally agree. It is not like we are just talking about a friend or stranger to Casey and Cindy. This was their daughter and grandaughter. Cindy should do what ever she can to help get justice for Caylee, not help her daughter right now with everything she has done to all of them. It is time to do the right thing. Cindy will not ever be able to live with herself if she does not do the right thing. This is not the time to feel guilty for things she might of said or did to Casey. It is too late for that.

[jakee]

Does anyone think that Puerto Rico ties into this somehow? In the
documents just released it mentioned that Casey was supposed to
go with her friends to Puerto Rico and that she actually planned
some of the trip, and then she ends up not being able to go. I
think she had alot of resentment towards Caylee (and Cindy) because
she couldn't go. This could be a huge motive, as well as Casey
telling alot of her friends that Caylee was dragging her down. imo


I still want to believe it was an accident, but some things I read , like this, makes me ponder other thoughts. Also, was it Tony who said he teased Casey that he would move to NY or something and Casey would get upset? Maybe she thought he wouldn't want Casey to move with him if she had Caylee? I don't know, just throwing it out there.

IMO.

[Texas48]

Gotta run to work now but I'll answer this way: I haven't seen anything yet to convince me it was premeditated murder. The possible motive(s) don't fit for me. Her actions after Caylee's death, however, do (in my opinion) fit her personality disorder(s). I'll certainly change my mind if evidence to the contrary convinces me.

Catch up with y'all later! :seeya:
Computer searches will prove premeditated murder.....LE is not going to give up on this case body or no body. They just have to go slow. JMO

[Fallen Angel]

I don't think Caylee is alive anymore. And then there is a little part of me that says this family is so screwed up nothing would really surprise me. :shrug:

yeahhhhhh i feel the exact same way GrannyB :beer:

[GrannyB]

Through his PR firm, Jose says there's nothing new in these documents. "Move along, nothing to see here"

That Jose is such a kidder!

:D

LOL that was way kinder than I would be. I think Jose has been around the Anthony's too long and has caught the "lie bug disease"

[SavannahStar]

Fallen Angel made my hamster run a little faster :)


a question to everyone:
does any of this information gleened through these released documents change your thinking about this case, Casey, and whether or not Caylee's still alive?


I haven't changed my thinking. I have always believed that Caylee is dead and that Casey killed her. I still believe it was an accident. Or, I should say, nothing has come to light that leads me to think it was premeditated murder. (Chloroform "evidence" is not yet convincing to me; I am wary of all of that.)

I haven't changed my opinion of the family either. I think they are in the middle of a horrific nightmare.

I haven't changed my opinion of Casey; I think she is one of the most complex criminals I have ever read about. Completely and totally unique. She'll make a great case study.

A few things in the interviews I found interesting, though I haven't finished them all as yet. I am totally intrigued by the fact that Casey mentioned not only Zanny but "Zenaida" much longer ago than we knew. I think I saw at least two instances of that being mentioned. One by Morales, not sure?

[kakax]

Interesting report Kakax, thanks. Judge Neopolitan states that any information that the DA is going to use in the Grand Jury, will not be released. I notice that cynthia and george's statements were not released.


Very interesting, I think, as well.


Just watched a video on Channel 6 Orlando, they say that Casey's meeting with Jose is from 3 -8pm today. The anchor said that they would try to talk to Casey, rofl. I'm sure she will walk right up to the media and grant interviews :rolleyes:

[desmom]

Cindy just took money from a purse that didn't belong to her. So I can assume the above should apply to her also?


Exactly! If my neighbor stole something from me, legally I can not go steal something from her. jmo

[barskin&co.]

I believe she had help.....someone who would know how the LE part of this would work. There's is NO WAY she's smart enough to pull off the "perfect crime" where she just walks away. I honestly can't understand why she isn't under arrest for murder right now and pray there's a very good reason and it's not "lack of evidence".

Oh, now, I would hardly call this the "perfect crime." Her only escape plan after killing Caylee was to move to another part of Orlando. She was stuck with a car that reeked of decomposition, and what does she do? She just leaves it parked somewhere, gets a ride, finito! And when questioned by police she gives them a slew of phony details like that's going to fool them. Her best strategy was to give herself a long head start (that it was 31 days was accidental; if it were left to her, she'd still be watching TV at Tony's to this day). Caylee's remains will be difficult, if not, impossible to find, but, I believe, there will be plenty of forensic evidence, combined with great circumstantial evidence, as well. I find it hard to believe it would take more than Casey to come up with this inept scenario.

[crymeariver2006]

LOL that was way kinder than I would be. I think Jose has been around the Anthony's too long and has caught the "lie bug disease"


He looks like PeeWee Herman so I always :lol: when I see him.

[Nellie]

a question to everyone:
does any of this information gleened through these released documents change your thinking about this case, Casey, and whether or not Caylee's still alive?

Nope, none of it changes my thinking....
Only confirms it more.

[barskin&co.]

Exactly! If my neighbor stole something from me, legally I can not go steal something from her. jmo

That's right. Just ask OJ.

[desmom]

Thank you so much...it's printing now but it says 318 pages. I thought there was 600 pages :shrug:


When OS put up the documents yesterday, it said "edited".

There may have been some blank pages or repeat information from the previous document release. :shrug:

[not.another]

I still want to believe it was an accident, but some things I read , like this, makes me ponder other thoughts. Also, was it Tony who said he teased Casey that he would move to NY or something and Casey would get upset? Maybe she thought he wouldn't want Casey to move with him if she had Caylee? I don't know, just throwing it out there.

IMO.

It was Tony (he was just kidding with her). I think she was really
worried about that because at the time she didn't have anywhere
to live and was expecting him to come back so she could continue
living with him, instead of going home. I think Casey would have
moved to China if he said he was going there to live! Without Caylee, of course. imo

[Fallen Angel]

The rest has not been released as of yet.

wow you should run for President you love to twist facts and hide from answering questions IMO lol

[GrannyB]

Exactly! If my neighbor stole something from me, legally I can not go steal something from her. jmo


Guess we'll find out when OJ's trial is over.:biggrin:

[Nellie]

Oh, now, I would hardly call this the "perfect crime." Her only escape plan after killing Caylee was to move to another part of Orlando. She was stuck with a car that reeked of decomposition, and what does she do? She just leaves it parked somewhere, gets a ride, finito! And when questioned by police she gives them a slew of phony details like that's going to fool them. Her best strategy was to give herself a long head start (that it was 31 days was accidental; if it were left to her, she'd still be watching TV at Tony's to this day). Caylee's remains will be difficult, if not, impossible to find, but, I believe, there will be plenty of forensic evidence, combined with great circumstantial evidence, as well. I find it hard to believe it would take more than Casey to come up with this inept scenario.

I meant "perfect" enough to keep her out of jail. So far...she's out of jail and I have a hard time thinking she would be smart enough to commit murder and never have it pinned on her.

[SavannahStar]

I sooooo agree.


I'm not sure what to make of it though.

It sure is a little niggling thing that sticks in my mind now........

[trich]

Interesting report Kakax, thanks. Judge Neopolitan states that any information that the DA is going to use in the Grand Jury, will not be released. I notice that cynthia and george's statements were not released.


I believe the statements can be used at trial if the prosecuter calls them as witnesses...if they were to deny what they swore to in the interviews.

[SandyO]

Interesting report Kakax, thanks. Judge Neopolitan states that any information that the DA is going to use in the Grand Jury, will not be released. I notice that cynthia and george's statements were not released.

This is the best news I've heard in a long time toward finally resolving this case.

[barskin&co.]

I meant "perfect" enough to keep her out of jail. So far...she's out of jail and I have a hard time thinking she would be smart enough to commit murder and never have it pinned on her.

Well, she has been in and out of jail since Caylee was first reported missing. And what do you mean "never?" We are a long way from never.

[jbellaj]

The rest has not been released as of yet.

Thanks, I guess that's a good thing. It'll give me time to read these first. I hope today will be a slow day at the office so I can get to this reading and then catch upi with you guys. :seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

How can you go from that ,to basically accusing Cindy of taking money from donations? How much money do you think Cindy paid for Caylees uptake, since Caseys job wasn't paying? If I found any dang money in my stealing daughters clothes I would take it in a heart beat, considering she would have OWED it to me, unless some think Cindy owed it to Casey somehow for not being a good enough mother. Lee seems to have turned out ok. moo


If you've just heard your daughter say she hasn't seen her daughter in 31 days and the police are there and the car smells like death, is that really the time to be thinking of how much money you've spent or how much money anybody owes you?

[Armchairdet]

The way Casey lies is beyond belief. I mean, to take LE all the way to a place you say you work, and only then change the story is unbelievable to me. Why would she let it go that far? Did she think someone there would vouch for her? That an astroid would hit before they got there? That she could escape? They were going to find out. She had to know from some of her favorite tv shows that even though she thought looking for Caylee was a huge waste, LE would not feel this way. That lie alone was enough for me to think Casey is capable of things most of us can't even fathom.

[martha]

I don't worship her, how absurd! I just am very tired of seeing posters criticize her show. Don't like her, don't watch, why do we have to hear about it?

I give Nancy Grace high marks for keeping this case front and center.
ITA with you. No one elce is keeping this in front of everyone like ng is. I thank her for that. I am not a big fan of ng but if it was not for her I would not get any news on this case. She can be ugly to her guest sometimes. I still believe she wants to help find caylee. She is like the rest of us she really want to find this baby and if she is dead she wants someone punished if they did something to caylee. Thats what I want and I think that is what everyone on this board wants. I think all the a's or covering for casey. There may be someone that helped casey not sure on that. It sure seems like casey keep caylee in the trunk of that car for a long time tho. I don;t think they will every find caylee and casey will never get charged for her death but she can sure be charged with what they have her charged with now. jmho:rose:

[chrissybot]

Good morning everyone:seeya:. I read through most of the doc last night. Is it me or does it seem odd that Casey has this thing with gas cans. What was she really doing with using all these gas cans? In all of my 40 years, I have never used a gas can. And the whole thing with Lee talking about Caseys laptop getting wiped out, GMAB!
:rose:Caylee

[Pruddennce]

She was spoiled, no doubt about it.

There are a lot of parents even in this day and age who would have never supported their pregnant daughter's pregnancy and the aftermath of supporting the daughter and her child - but George & Cindy did, and again once Casey wasn't thankful for that support.

There is no rulebook to parenting. I know many young adults who were spoiled even more than Casey as far as brand new cars & paid-for trips, spring breaks and such, and none of them responded in kind as Casey did.

They're actually humbled by, and quite appreciative of their parent's sacrifices on their behalf.

I dont believe Casey was spoiled.....she was handled with kid gloves because of her psychopathic personality......they gave in, but not because they wanted her to have what she wanted, but because they wanted peace in their lives and couldnt deal with her....consequences means nothing to casey and IMO they found that out in her early years.

their manner of dealing IMO consisted of berating, threatening then a big hug, oooooo everything is ok. *Ill be better* okkkkkkkkkk, and then they moved on until the next episode.

endless cyle that hasnt ended.

best regards,
Pru

[texasgal]

Oh, now, I would hardly call this the "perfect crime." Her only escape plan after killing Caylee was to move to another part of Orlando. She was stuck with a car that reeked of decomposition, and what does she do? She just leaves it parked somewhere, gets a ride, finito! And when questioned by police she gives them a slew of phony details like that's going to fool them. Her best strategy was to give herself a long head start (that it was 31 days was accidental; if it were left to her, she'd still be watching TV at Tony's to this day). Caylee's remains will be difficult, if not, impossible to find, but, I believe, there will be plenty of forensic evidence, combined with great circumstantial evidence, as well. I find it hard to believe it would take more than Casey to come up with this inept scenario.

I agree .. and I think she possibly did something as simple as tossing Caylee in a dumpster somewhere. Noboby knew Caylee was missing for 31 days, so she is long buried in a landfill somewhere .. probably not planned, but effective when nobody is looking for the body of a small child (and if she's in a garbage bag, it just looks like trash.)

[trich]

Well, she has been in and out of jail since Caylee was first reported missing. And what do you mean "never?" We are a long way from never.



I agree....let's be patient and have faith that LE is slowly but surely making a strong case against Casey.
so many people said that LE did not have enough to arrest and convict Scott Peterson....but look at him now.
IMO there is more circomstantial evidence of Casey killing Caylee then there was in that case.
I do wish they could find the body though...at least no person in their right mind would say then she was not dead.


Saying that I would love for the whole world to be wrong and Caylee was found alive but we all know that is not gonna happen.

[girlspell]

My opinion has not changed. I think Caylee's dead but I still think (or want to think) that is was an accident.

The DNA they have so far may be degraded and not very useful as evidence. Other then Casey was driving around with a dead body in the car. There is no crime scene and no weapon. So I doubt very much this will ever go to trial. Casey will do time for neglect and forged checks.

Hey Casey will get off pretty good. Sometimes crime does pay.

[crymeariver2006]

Good morning everyone:seeya:. I read through most of the doc last night. Is it me or does it seem odd that Casey has this thing with gas cans. What was she really doing with using all these gas cans? In all of my 40 years, I have never used a gas can. And the whole thing with Lee talking about Caseys laptop getting wiped out, GMAB!
:rose:Caylee


And Lee was gone a couple hours in picking up that laptop.

Think Casey told him to try and get rid of some stuff on there?

[OneUp]

Well, she has been in and out of jail since Caylee was first reported missing. And what do you mean "never?" We are a long way from never.I have been trying to decide if there is a typical length of time between the discovery of a missing persons crime, and charges of murder being brought. IMO, in any crime that begins as missing person and turns into homicide takes far longer than 3 months to fully investigate...and the 31 day delay in reporting only serves to futher complicate.
It seems that many cases involving spousal homicide take 2+months to gather enough evidence for charges...and many of those crimes occur in the residence. Who knows where Caylee met her demise?
I think some research into average times on the pace of investigation would be enlightening...
If I find anything on the subject, I'll share!
JMO.

[commonguymd]

Lee's sworn statement is not a deposition - they are legally two different things.

Edwards nor Lee, the two who are involved in this conversation exchange about Cindy pocketing the money - neither of them is a she.

Well whatever it is. Sworn statement. That was a typo - I think I meant to type they.

[happy2bme]

I'm not sure what to make of it though.

It sure is a little niggling thing that sticks in my mind now........

It bothers me as well Savannah...I don't know what to make of it..

[Nellie]

Interesting report Kakax, thanks. Judge Neopolitan states that any information that the DA is going to use in the Grand Jury, will not be released. I notice that cynthia and george's statements were not released.

I'm thinking out loud here....
Could they NOT use these actual reports for a Grand Jury, but could they call these people in to testify "live" in front of the Grand Jury? I don't know if there is testimony at a GJ or not. If there is, then they could just have the friends present to testify rather than use the reports. They will use the reports of C&G, because they would not trust their testimony at this point to be the truth. Just a thought...I may be totally off base. I don't know how a Grand Jury actually works.

[crymeariver2006]

My opinion has not changed. I think Caylee's dead but I still think (or want to think) that is was an accident.

The DNA they have so far may be degraded and not very useful as evidence. Other then Casey was driving around with a dead body in the car. There is no crime scene and no weapon. So I doubt very much this will ever go to trial. Casey will do time for neglect and forged checks.

Hey Casey will get off pretty good. Sometimes crime does pay.


There's people sitting in prison serving time where there's been no crime scene and no weapon.

Sometimes the "scene" isn't a fixed location and sometimes the weapon isn't an object.

Just sayin'......

[barskin&co.]

I dont believe Casey was spoiled.....she was handled with kid gloves because of her psychopathic personality......they gave in, but not because they wanted her to have what she wanted, but because they wanted peace in their lives and couldnt deal with her....consequences means nothing to casey and IMO they found that out in her early years.

their manner of dealing IMO consisted of berating, threatening then a big hug, oooooo everything is ok. *Ill be better* okkkkkkkkkk, and then they moved on until the next episode.

endless cyle that hasnt ended.

best regards,
Pru
I think your analysis is very astute, Pru.

[Texas48]

I really do not know what the public expects Cindy to do. Would she be expected to go on national TV and say "Yes my daughter is a murderer and should get the death penalty?" She IS Casey's mother, even the worst and horrific murderers parents never did that, so why would it be expected of these parents?

Even Jeffrey's Dahmers parents stood by him...The only difference here is that Caylee is missing and it is possible and more then likely that the parents know she is deceased, BUT in making Casey talk would be the same as saying put my daughter to death for this murder. I really do not know of too many parents that would do that.

YES, I would want to bring my granddaughter home for a proper burial and yes I would be wishing that this never happened and I really do not know how I would be reacting if I were in Cindy's shoes. But I doubt if I would be going against the child that I brought into this world. As a mother of 3 and grandmother of 7....I am going to agree w/you. If I knew where my grandbaby was buried or dumped then I have to believe I would have to go and bring her home for her to rest in peace but this is only a "suppose"..I am notcertain what any of us would do to be honest. JMO

[chrissybot]

And Lee was gone a couple hours in picking up that laptop.

Think Casey told him to try and get rid of some stuff on there?
Yep, yep cry. Thats exactly what I think.-JMO
So what stood out the most to you guys in the doc? Who's statements & such??

[girlspell]

There's people sitting in prison serving time where there's been no crime scene and no weapon.

Sometimes the "scene" isn't a fixed location and sometimes the weapon isn't an object.

Just sayin'......

Believe me, I hope this will go to trial. But sometimes it might not happen. So you have to do with what you have. I doubt they (LE) will get much more.

[happy2bme]

I mentioned this last night...but the whole "SMELL" part is what bothers me the most. They all smelled it and were afraid that is was either Casey or Caylee in the trunk.

The fact that Casey had talked about the smell to AH.

If the smell was as bad as Lee stated, wouldn't Tone have smelled it on Casey when he picked her up at Amscot?

[not.another]

And Lee was gone a couple hours in picking up that laptop.

Think Casey told him to try and get rid of some stuff on there?

I thought about that too! But, nothing is ever "gone" when it comes
to computers. I'm sure the computer guys will not have a problem
finding what they need. imo

I found it interesting that when Casey & Lee were in her bedroom talking about what may have happened...Cindy walked in and said
"Who took her?" That was when Casey's mind clicked and she probably thought..."Oh yeah, I can just say that someone kidnapped her." I don't think before that, that she had this kidnapping story all ready to be told. Does this make sense?

[not.another]

I mentioned this last night...but the whole "SMELL" part is what bothers me the most. They all smelled it and were afraid that is was either Casey or Caylee in the trunk.

The fact that Casey had talked about the smell to AH.

If the smell was as bad as Lee stated, wouldn't Tone have smelled it on Casey when he picked her up at Amscot?

I'm not sure that the tow guy smelled it when he picked it up at Amscot. But certainly smelled it when George came to pick it up.
Anyone know any different? This is unclear to me.

[chrissybot]

I also found it interesting that her Photo Bucket was accessed through another computer even though she had a laptop of her own (or Cindy's, actually), and I think that Edwards was intimating, or at least giving Lee the opportunity to confess that it may have been through his computer.
I agree DG. I found that of interest also.

[SandyO]

I don't worship her, how absurd! I just am very tired of seeing posters criticize her show. Don't like her, don't watch, why do we have to hear about it?

I give Nancy Grace high marks for keeping this case front and center.

That's true. Do you suppose we're ever going to get Greta back on track?

[babblefishie]

My opinion has not changed. I think Caylee's dead but I still think (or want to think) that is was an accident.

The DNA they have so far may be degraded and not very useful as evidence. Other then Casey was driving around with a dead body in the car. There is no crime scene and no weapon. So I doubt very much this will ever go to trial. Casey will do time for neglect and forged checks.

Hey Casey will get off pretty good. Sometimes crime does pay.

I'm a little more optomistic girlspell. I think that there is enough evidence to get her for manslaughter at the least. :rose:

[kakax]

I thought about that too! But, nothing is ever "gone" when it comes
to computers. I'm sure the computer guys will not have a problem
finding what they need. imo

I found it interesting that when Casey & Lee were in her bedroom talking about what may have happened...Cindy walked in and said
"Who took her?" That was when Casey's mind clicked and she probably thought..."Oh yeah, I can just say that someone kidnapped her." I don't think before that, that she had this kidnapping story all ready to be told. Does this make sense?


I "absolutely" believe that is what happened. Remember the first thing Cindy screamed at her was "what have you done!". Actually seeing Lee's statement about how the conversation went down makes a huge difference. She didn't just break down and say Lee, the nanny kidnapped Caylee. She was prodded and lead into that statement.

[Mairi II]

I'm not sure that the tow guy smelled it when he picked it up at Amscot. But certainly smelled it when George came to pick it up.
Anyone know any different? This is unclear to me.

I don't think the towtruck driver himself smelled it. He said he had a cold at the time and couldn't smell anything. But the tow company manager (I think that's who it was - not the driver, I know that) said he did smell it when the trunk was opened.

[Nellie]

Well, she has been in and out of jail since Caylee was first reported missing. And what do you mean "never?" We are a long way from never.

Oh I certainly hope she is charged!
I think you've misunderstood me. I DON'T believe Casey has committed the "perfect crime". I was basically saying she isn't smart enough to commit the "perfect crime". I'm just waiting for the day we have the breaking news that she's been arrested for murder....just like the day SP was arrested.

[OneUp]

I mentioned this last night...but the whole "SMELL" part is what bothers me the most. They all smelled it and were afraid that is was either Casey or Caylee in the trunk.

The fact that Casey had talked about the smell to AH.

If the smell was as bad as Lee stated, wouldn't Tone have smelled it on Casey when he picked her up at Amscot?
That is what I've thought too. I suppose that is why she was floating the squirrel and roadkill stores.
I don't see any mention of odor OR of these stories by TonE, but then we may still only be seeing portions of these witness statements. What we read in the last release was far from what was included in this release by TonE and others as well. The newest docs. are more complete interviews...but not necessarily the ONLY interviews with these witnesses or complete ones. Will Waters' interview in particular stuck out to me as seeming incomplete and disjointed.
I am waiting impatiently to see what else is included in this release...likely the mentioned texts...maybe some receipts as well.
JMO.

[not.another]

I "absolutely" believe that is what happened. Remember the first thing Cindy screamed at her was "what have you done!". Actually seeing Lee's statement about how the conversation went down makes a huge difference. She didn't just break down and say Lee, the nanny kidnapped Caylee. She was prodded and lead into that statement.

Agree "absolutely". (cringing). I really think she had no idea what she was going to tell them until Cindy came in asking her questions.

[marshmallow]

I still want to believe it was an accident, but some things I read , like this, makes me ponder other thoughts. Also, was it Tony who said he teased Casey that he would move to NY or something and Casey would get upset? Maybe she thought he wouldn't want Casey to move with him if she had Caylee? I don't know, just throwing it out there.

IMO.

I think that playing into the mess in Casey's life when this all happened. I do think she thought Caylee was in the way of her romance.
But the fact that she had one on the hook and another in the stock pond makes that less likely as a singular motive.

I originally was willing to cling to the hope Caylee was alive. That slowly faded and I became more convinced that Casey snapped for some reason or that Caylee accidentally died and Casey being Casey covered it up and made up stories rather than immediately calling 911. If she had done that and it were accidental, her parents/friends/people who loved Caylee would have been saved emotional hell and the circus would never have come to town.


Now I think it more likely that the stress of her world crumbling made Casey snap and she lashed out at Caylee, the end result being Caylee's death. I do not think it was premeditated though. I think her life was a lie and she'd done okay keeping her lies from running into each other, as well as the people she'd lied to being kept seperate but the lies were all about to be shown. Lies about: her parents marriage, her father's health, the house, the monies she stole, her child's parentage, her career/job, etcetcetc..... And when Cindy dragged her home like a naughty ten year old, humiliated if front of her friend and her boyfriend.. I bet they had a blow out to end all family blow outs. I've seen this family's tempers. It's not pretty, provoked or not. I think she grabbed the kiddo, made a dramatic pronouncement and left. And at some point she snapped. Not sure how or why, and it's no one's fault but her own.
Caylee might've cried, had a hissy, asked for Grandma too much, who knows. This is one detail we will probably never know. Something happened, Caylee died and true to form, Casey kept on lying instead of calling 911.
And that's lead us to day 100 :(

[babblefishie]

I agree DG. I found that of interest also.

I know Casey deleted more photos from her account after she got out of prison the second time. There was this one of a fairy sitting on a tombstone that said "death leaves a heartache noone can heal. Love leaves a memory noone can steal". It was definitely the kind of stone you would place on the grave of a small child. I felt she symbolically uploaded it in order to make up for whatever terrible place Caylee's remains actually were. The internet seems to be Casey's alternate universe.

I pointed out that it was odd to have such a thing in her "new" section. Later on, after her release from prison -- that page was no more. :eek:

[commonguymd]

About halfway through this video, Judge Andrew N. explained very clearly what was released and more importantly what wasn't released. He said that the investigators only have to release what they will NOT use in a grand jury to indict Casey. He said that while these were very interesting interviews, they wouldn't use these to go for further charges.

What we know hasn't been released is what is important.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7499856&version=1&locale=EN-US

Gosh, makes you wonder what else they might have after reading this stuff.

[desmom]

I'm not sure that the tow guy smelled it when he picked it up at Amscot. But certainly smelled it when George came to pick it up.
Anyone know any different? This is unclear to me.

IIRC, the guy that towed the car had a cold and the car was parked next to the dumpster. IMO, the decomp stench would have intensified sitting in a tow lot for over 2 weeks in the FL sun.

[trt]

Good morning everyone:seeya:. I read through most of the doc last night. Is it me or does it seem odd that Casey has this thing with gas cans. What was she really doing with using all these gas cans? In all of my 40 years, I have never used a gas can. And the whole thing with Lee talking about Caseys laptop getting wiped out, GMAB!
:rose:Caylee

I think she initially thought of burning Caylee's body and knew she would need more than just the gas stolen from her parents' shed...she also knew that she could not be seen purchasing gas cans and gas so she asked others to buy it for her. I think that she did try to burn Caylee, and then did something else when she saw that it wouldn't work. JMO

[barskin&co.]

I mentioned this last night...but the whole "SMELL" part is what bothers me the most. They all smelled it and were afraid that is was either Casey or Caylee in the trunk.

The fact that Casey had talked about the smell to AH.

If the smell was as bad as Lee stated, wouldn't Tone have smelled it on Casey when he picked her up at Amscot?

Why? She might not have been standing right by her car.