WED Morning, 9/24 - Day 100

[margaritaville]

Did LE even take the doll with them? I know we aren't privy to everything they took...


And if they did it was probably washed by Cindy before hand!!

MOO

[kakax]

My thinking is the media probably realizes this story holds no merit...so why would they interview her?


Wait, wait, wait, she did contact the media and they WEREN"T interested. She talked to a producer at OTR and he said he would have to verify her story with police and never contacted her back.

[Joan Weiss]

Yes, I read that also, and I wondered why George would have spun such a story if Lee's account is correct.Yes, this "story" needs investigation, imo. I'm sure LE is on it.

[not.another]

Lee found it.

I thought Lee found Amy's car key. He discussed it with her and he destroyed it. IIRC.

[tashi]

This question has probably already been asked and answered, but... if Caylee's little body was in the trunk of the car for a few days or so and started to decompose (hurts me to type that) would the smell get worse or better or stay the same once the body was removed?


I'm speculating but I would guess it would get worse over time because of the heat and the fact that the trunk was shut.

[kOOkie1]

I think the name was Steve Jones...a guy Casey dated in the pst...he lives in the area LE was asking about.

I think that was in RM's interview.

..gotcha ~ Thanks.... I dont know for some reason it seemed like LE was really interested in that info..(jmo)

[Pruddennce]

Yes, I do.


Lee did alot of stumbling about regarding the the laptop. I know exactly what he was referring to regarding how and why the screen gave him the msg that the computer was shut down inproperly...big deal..thats not a virus. but he wanted to infer she had a email/myspace eating virus.

IMO

Amy confirms that Casey was busily tapping away on July 5th because Tony was coming home and she was all girly-giddy.

computer was working fine on 7/5.

suddenly her email is wiped clean prior to July 15th as well as her my_space being cleaned up.

ETA: Lee anthony left at midnite to go get her 'stuff', laptop, etc and didnt get home until 2:25am.

best regards,
Pru

[Rayosunshine]

Lee found it.


I thought that was Amy's car key. And Lee was going to take care of it for Amy.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[missy1974]

I've seen alot of posts about the gas cans/car being towed and different theories, here's my take on it... I think that her car did indeed run out of gas, but earlier that week she gave the gas cans back to George. She couldn't go back and steal those gas cans, so she was 'looking' for anyone that had gas cans. If Amy did buy one on the 30th, isn't that the day it was towed? I think she didn't want the car towed, that she wanted to go back to the car and possibly get rid of it, she KNEW it was stinky, she would have to realize that eventually someone was going to smell it too. I think the car got towed away though before she could get it out of the parking lot.

Sorry if this has already been thrown out there, I'm trying to keep up with you guys, the kids and puppy aren't letting me though lol
JMO

[beckyj]

Imo, if there was any body fluids in the car, they would continue to decompose. I know that if I spill something in my kitchen wastebasket, I have to wash it, or it continues to smell.

Good point. I didn't think about that.

[deep*fear]

This question has probably already been asked and answered, but... if Caylee's little body was in the trunk of the car for a few days or so and started to decompose (hurts me to type that) would the smell get worse or better or stay the same once the body was removed?

If there was no decomp fluid in the fabric, it would immediately get better. If there was decomp fluid, it would stay the same and possibly get worse. Some people have posted that even without the fluid, everything in the environment takes on the smell and is very difficult/impossible to get rid of.

[kOOkie1]

Lee did alot of stumbling about regarding the the laptop. I know exactly what he was referring to regarding how and why the screen gave him the msg that the computer was shut down inproperly...big deal..thats not a virus. but he wanted to infer she had a email/myspace eating virus.

IMO

Amy confirms that Casey was busily tapping away on July 5th because Tony was coming home and she was all girly-giddy.

computer was working fine on 7/5.

suddenly her email is wiped clean prior to July 15th as well as her my_space being cleaned up.

best regards,
Pru

...yea plus got rid of the squirrel issue from the car too...hmmmm:flamemad:

[beckyj]

I've seen alot of posts about the gas cans/car being towed and different theories, here's my take on it... I think that her car did indeed run out of gas, but earlier that week she gave the gas cans back to George. She couldn't go back and steal those gas cans, so she was 'looking' for anyone that had gas cans. If Amy did buy one on the 30th, isn't that the day it was towed? I think she didn't want the car towed, that she wanted to go back to the car and possibly get rid of it, she KNEW it was stinky, she would have to realize that eventually someone was going to smell it too. I think the car got towed away though before she could get it out of the parking lot.

Sorry if this has already been thrown out there, I'm trying to keep up with you guys, the kids and puppy aren't letting me though lol
JMO

Makes sense to me. Especially since it was the same day the car was towed.

[hamebone]

..gotcha ~ Thanks.... I dont know for some reason it seemed like LE was really interested in that info..(jmo)

Yes I agree...I was thinking that maybe Caysee's phone ping'd in that area...or a call shows up on the records in that area..?

[deep*fear]

..ok Thanks Regina...hmm wonder why Cindy stopped doing that.. I can see her demanding Casey home with Caylee. I guess Casey stopped answering her calls after the 15th maybe..(jmo)

Because of the fight on Father's Day? Casey took Caylee with her, so there was no reason for Cindy to call demanding Casey take care of her daughter.

[Joan Weiss]

And Lee was gone a couple hours in picking up that laptop.

Think Casey told him to try and get rid of some stuff on there?It does make you wonder, doesn't it? :confused:

[EGirl]

YES, thank you so much, I can see from the second link that there is in fact a tire well with a carpet cover over it for spare tire storage.
So now I'm wondering if Caylee's body was still in the trunk when the anythonys picked up the car.

The thing that leads me to believe that the body wasn't in the car is that they admit to moving things in the back yard to look for a body.

[desmom]

Exactly what she has stated on that website, but apparently you have blind trust for LE, even though they refused to go through the tapes, even though the FBI has admitted not receiving the sketch, etc.

The Defense will most definitely have this woman on the stand.

LE received the tip on 7/23. The witness said she saw the child on 7/02. The airport reported the last stored date for video surveillance was 7/08. LE checked, no video available.

She called the FBI on 7/25. This early in the investigation, all levels of LE were receiving tips about Caylee and not all LE would be aware of every single aspect of the case.

jmo

[kakax]

http://www.wesh.com/video/13678865/index.html

Live news at noon on WESH. Hope one of you can watch it...it won't come up for me.

[deep*fear]

My thinking is the media probably realizes this story holds no merit...so why would they interview her?

Right? A sketch from a 5-7 year old, lol that should be about as good as the sketch the McCanns cooked up.

[kOOkie1]

..I agree. I thought about that as well.

[not.another]

Wonder if LE checked the doll for any signs of being near/touching a decomposing body.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Great question!

[hamebone]

Lee did alot of stumbling about regarding the the laptop. I know exactly what he was referring to regarding how and why the screen gave him the msg that the computer was shut down inproperly...big deal..thats not a virus. but he wanted to infer she had a email/myspace eating virus.

IMO

Amy confirms that Casey was busily tapping away on July 5th because Tony was coming home and she was all girly-giddy.

computer was working fine on 7/5.

suddenly her email is wiped clean prior to July 15th as well as her my_space being cleaned up.

best regards,
Pru


....yeah Lee is lying about somethings...IMO...

[kOOkie1]

Yes I agree...I was thinking that maybe Caysee's phone ping'd in that area...or a call shows up on the records in that area..?

I agree. I thought that as well.~ (jmo) oops on my previous~ too much reading it seems.

[Joan Weiss]

I'm speculating but I would guess it would get worse over time because of the heat and the fact that the trunk was shut.Plus all the upholstery in the car would have taken on that smell. {Isn't that why we buy carpet fresh?}

[Fallen Angel]

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought LEE said he found the key to Amys car? And that he discussed that w/Amy?

you are 100% correct

[chrissybot]

:( It is very tellling, IMO.

As is the fact that Casey did not take ONE single item of Caylees, but only picked up clothing for herself:(

[Rayosunshine]

http://www.wesh.com/video/13678865/index.html

Live news at noon on WESH. Hope one of you can watch it...it won't come up for me.


Won't load for me either.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[WillowInFlight]

As is the fact that Casey did not take ONE single item of Caylees, but only picked up clothing for herself:(

What broke my heart was Caylee's little doll that she has had since a baby and never went anywhere with out it, was left in the car.

[ruth66]

Yes, I read that also, and I wondered why George would have spun such a story if Lee's account is correct.


So that he could say that he looked in the trunk and there was nothing there and he didn't smell anything.
I have wondered if the gas cans were used by Casey to fend off the smell of decomposing body in the car. When I use a gas can to get gas for the lawn mower, my car smells inside for awhile. The smell of gas surely would smell better than the other....

[Pruddennce]

....yeah Lee is lying about somethings...IMO...

hey hammy,

if you read his second interview, he is DANCING.....he was gone from midnight and arrived back at the house at 2:30am....with her 'stuff'.....and LE is questioning him and saying oh its ok, we are not saying you did anything wrong...but....LA is responding "I never held anything back from them."....(meaning LE at the house).

of course he is hiding something...all her bags were all 'neated up' he says, and thats not like his sister....so why would he be there all that time....it wasnt because he was gathering her stuff...right?

no need to do any snooping around...it was all packed and ready.....

uh huh, so what was he doing all of that time if all of her 'stuff' was all ready to go, and he only needed to unplug the laptop, grab the bags and go?

best regards,
Pru

[day2day]

Originally Posted by crymeariver2006
And Lee was gone a couple hours in picking up that laptop.

Think Casey told him to try and get rid of some stuff on there?

i believe casey had a few accomplices before and after. jmo!

[Rayosunshine]

As is the fact that Casey did not take ONE single item of Caylees, but only picked up clothing for herself:(


Would like to see all of the receipts, including the ones given to Baez.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Joan Weiss]

So that he could say that he looked in the trunk and there was nothing there and he didn't smell anything.
I have wondered if the gas cans were used by Casey to fend off the smell of decomposing body in the car. When I use a gas can to get gas for the lawn mower, my car smells inside for awhile. The smell of gas surely would smell better than the other....Well, I'm here to tell you that in a small car, the gas odor would drive me out. I've had that happen. Empty ones...imo

[st777jo]

Lee did alot of stumbling about regarding the the laptop. I know exactly what he was referring to regarding how and why the screen gave him the msg that the computer was shut down inproperly...big deal..thats not a virus. but he wanted to infer she had a email/myspace eating virus.

IMO

Amy confirms that Casey was busily tapping away on July 5th because Tony was coming home and she was all girly-giddy.

computer was working fine on 7/5.

suddenly her email is wiped clean prior to July 15th as well as her my_space being cleaned up.

ETA: Lee anthony left at midnite to go get her 'stuff', laptop, etc and didnt get home until 2:25am.

best regards,
Pru


It seems to me that the A's are so brilliant in their thinking and the rest of the world are idiots who will believe anything the A's put out there.
Surprise!!!!!!!!!! jmo, jo

[deep*fear]

Most of the tow truck guys I've dealt with couldn't care less...they're not real sensitive. imo

I'm not sure what you mean. He may not want to have to take days off to give deposition and go to court. He may not want the media attention. I think that's what that poster meant.

[Fallen Angel]

Would like to see all of the receipts, including the ones given to Baez.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Same here.

Isabelle, do you still feel like Caylee's alive?

[tashi]

Plus all the upholstery in the car would have taken on that smell. {Isn't that why we buy carpet fresh?}


Yes that smell must have permeated everything in that car...no doubt about it, everyone that got close to that car was grossed out.

I'm just glad that Casey told Amy about the smell on June 25. It shoots down the theory that someone tampered with the car after it was towed to the impound lot.

[DiamondL'il]

you are 100% correct

"pat,Pat,PAT" My brain is still able to retain information after 100 days of scrambling it with lies, half truths, spins, mind changing and hammer

I feel like I just got my 15 seconds of fame after all the jaw dropping I've done secretly lurking amongst all of you fabulous super-cybersleuths.

It doesn't take much to impress me lately.....Just confirmation from my Anthony Anonymous Members:D

"HI, My name is Diamond L'il and I have a problem....."
"HI DIAMOND L'il"

[Joan Weiss]

hey hammy,

if you read his second interview, he is DANCING.....he was gone from midnight and arrived back at the house at 2:30am....with her 'stuff'.....and LE is questioning him and saying oh its ok, we are not saying you did anything wrong...but....LA is responding "I never held anything back from them."....(meaning LE at the house).

of course he is hiding something...all her bags were all 'neated up' he says, and thats not like his sister....so why would he be there all that time....it wasnt because he was gathering her stuff...right?

no need to do any snooping around...it was all packed and ready.....

uh huh, so what was he doing all of that time if all of her 'stuff' was all ready to go, and he only needed to unplug the laptop, grab the bags and go?

best regards,
PruGood points, Pru. I think LE is looking at this pretty carefully. I'm wondering if that's "tampering with evidence?"

[anyonesguess]

YES, thank you so much, I can see from the second link that there is in fact a tire well with a carpet cover over it for spare tire storage.
So now I'm wondering if Caylee's body was still in the trunk when the anythonys picked up the car.

Or at the very least in the tire well covered with carpet when George found the gas cans.

[MyrDawn]

The thing that leads me to believe that the body wasn't in the car is that they admit to moving things in the back yard to look for a body.

Good point! I also belive if either C or G had found Caylee's body in the car, they would have collapsed and had to be hospitalized. JMO

[jakee]

i believe casey had a few accomplices before and after. jmo!

I don't understand what Casey was thinking when she gave Lee the phone number for Juliete and it of course was to some other girl. Can't recall her name at the moment. Did she think Lee would not follow up with the number and keep her secret? That nobody would answer and set Lee straight? How dumb is she? :) IMO

[dixielover]

These have to be the luckiest or unluckiest people in the world-
squirrels on the frame of car or in the engine (how many x has that happened)
lost telephone
computer virus
lost babysitter
lost baby
etc etc jmo

[Mandysmom]

oh good God :punch:

Thank you, I was saying it in my head. :lol:

[dtviewer]

Exactly what she has stated on that website, but apparently you have blind trust for LE, even though they refused to go through the tapes, even though the FBI has admitted not receiving the sketch, etc.

The Defense will most definitely have this woman on the stand.

Apparently you have blind trust for some annonymous posts on the internet.

I'll wait for PROOF that LE refused to go through tapes, PROOF that the FBI has admitted not receiving the sketch, PROOF that this wasnt investigated correctly, etc.

Unbelievable what some will believe that they read on the internet....

[Joan Weiss]

I'm not sure what you mean. He may not want to have to take days off to give deposition and go to court. He may not want the media attention. I think that's what that poster meant.Sensitive to smells is what I meant. Most of the ones I've dealt with smell like oil, auto garage, etc. imo

[BrownEyedF]

I'm speculating but I would guess it would get worse over time because of the heat and the fact that the trunk was shut.


Regarding the smell...one day while I was shopping I bought fresh fish. They wrapped it up. I put it in the back of my SUV with the other groceries. Brought it all home. The bag had leaked out fluid from the fish into the back of the SUV. It wasn't a lot. If I had to quantify it I would say that it was less than an ounce. I live in VA and it is HOT as the blazes here. I didn't really smell anything at first but after a few days my car smelled like an aquarium. I don't even have carpet in the back of the car, it is just a thick rubber mat. There was no fabric for it to get into but that smell stayed in my car for weeks! YUCK! It would wane, and then we would have a really hot day with the car closed up and the smell would intensify.

Also at times when we go to the beach the kids pick up seashells. They have been left in the car when it is hot, and the same thing. It smells like the bottom of a bait bucket if I don't get them out of there.

I use my car every day. I usually crack the window when I'm driving because I don't like to feel closed in. If my car can smell that way from a little bit of fishy fluid, I shudder to think what a car that had been closed up for a couple of weeks smelled like if at one point there were cadaver fluids inside it.

Also....this past weekend while driving on the highway I was making a lane change and hit an animal carcass. IMMEDIATELY the smell filled up my car. Nasty. I sprayed some body spray that I had in the car and that made it pretty bearable. It seemed like the smell stayed on the car for about 30 minutes or so and then I didn't ever smell it anymore.

Of course, this doesn't speak to a dead body, but these are my experiences with strange smells lately. :patriot:

[beckyj]

Good point! I also belive if either C or G had found Caylee's body in the car, they would have collapsed and had to be hospitalized. JMO


ITA. I don't think anyone close to the child (or not) could handle that. Except, of course, her so called mother.

[Fallen Angel]

"pat,Pat,PAT" My brain is still able to retain information after 100 days of scrambling it with lies, half truths, spins, mind changing and hammer

I feel like I just got my 15 seconds of fame after all the jaw dropping I've done secretly lurking amongst all of you fabulous super-cybersleuths.

It doesn't take much to impress me lately.....Just confirmation from my Anthony Anonymous Members:D

"HI, My name is Diamond L'il and I have a problem....."
"HI DIAMOND L'il"

LOL..........you are too cute :lol:

[Joan Weiss]

I don't understand what Casey was thinking when she gave Lee the phone number for Juliete and it of course was to some other girl. Can't recall her name at the moment. Did she think Lee would not follow up with the number and keep her secret? That nobody would answer and set Lee straight? How dumb is she? :) IMOI don't think she thought they would focus on her. I believe she thought they would go "Oh, well," and focus on her missing child.

I'll bet she was all prepared to play the Madonna. imo

[day2day]

"pat,Pat,PAT" My brain is still able to retain information after 100 days of scrambling it with lies, half truths, spins, mind changing and hammer

I feel like I just got my 15 seconds of fame after all the jaw dropping I've done secretly lurking amongst all of you fabulous super-cybersleuths.

It doesn't take much to impress me lately.....Just confirmation from my Anthony Anonymous Members:D

"HI, My name is Diamond L'il and I have a problem....."
"HI DIAMOND L'il"



Welcome to the club....we are happy to have you!!
You would think in a case this big we would have ONE credible witness..but i'm pretty sure we don't..(well MAYBE Amy)...:shrug:

[Fallen Angel]

Thank you, I was saying it in my head. :lol:

ever since i was a kid my brain to mouth filter never worked. i think it, i say it or type it lol

[beckyj]

Regarding the smell...one day while I was shopping I bought fresh fish. They wrapped it up. I put it in the back of my SUV with the other groceries. Brought it all home. The bag had leaked out fluid from the fish into the back of the SUV. It wasn't a lot. If I had to quantify it I would say that it was less than an ounce. I live in VA and it is HOT as the blazes here. I didn't really smell anything at first but after a few days my car smelled like an aquarium. I don't even have carpet in the back of the car, it is just a thick rubber mat. There was no fabric for it to get into but that smell stayed in my car for weeks! YUCK! It would wane, and then we would have a really hot day with the car closed up and the smell would intensify.

Also at times when we go to the beach the kids pick up seashells. They have been left in the car when it is hot, and the same thing. It smells like the bottom of a bait bucket if I don't get them out of there.

I use my car every day. I usually crack the window when I'm driving because I don't like to feel closed in. If my car can smell that way from a little bit of fishy fluid, I shudder to think what a car that had been closed up for a couple of weeks smelled like if at one point there were cadaver fluids inside it.

Also....this past weekend while driving on the highway I was making a lane change and hit an animal carcass. IMMEDIATELY the smell filled up my car. Nasty. I sprayed some body spray that I had in the car and that made it pretty bearable. It seemed like the smell stayed on the car for about 30 minutes or so and then I didn't ever smell it anymore.

Of course, this doesn't speak to a dead body, but these are my experiences with strange smells lately. :patriot:

Interesting! Makes me cringe at the possibility though.

[trt]

I don't think she thought they would focus on her. I believe she thought they would go "Oh, well," and focus on her missing child.

I'll bet she was all prepared to play the Madonna. imo



I agree...Lee's account of her face when he laid out how the LE investigation of Cindy's claims would go tells me that she was sure that she would be able to just keep saying Caylee was this place or that place and that the police would stay out of it...JMO

[BrownEyedF]

..gotcha ~ Thanks.... I dont know for some reason it seemed like LE was really interested in that info..(jmo)


I thought maybe the reason LE was interested in that area that they were talking about was because of information they had on her phone pings. This is just speculation. I wondered if they were matching up places that she had been with known associates that she has. It sounded to me like they were discussing a rural area. IIRC, it seemed like he was trying to find out if she had any reason to be in that particular area. JMO

[kOOkie1]

...her nightmares were not frightening enough..in my opinion. Random thought~

[deep*fear]

LE received the tip on 7/23. The witness said she saw the child on 7/02. The airport reported the last stored date for video surveillance was 7/08. LE checked, no video available.

She called the FBI on 7/25. This early in the investigation, all levels of LE were receiving tips about Caylee and not all LE would be aware of every single aspect of the case.

jmo

You'd think she would call on/around 7/17 - what took so long? Maybe since she wanted her 15 minutes she also wanted the video to be gone so her story wouldn't be easily disproved.

[steffaroob4]

As is the fact that Casey did not take ONE single item of Caylees, but only picked up clothing for herself:(

You know it just hit me, she had a bag of diapers in the car, those diapers are probably being tested along with other items. I bet those will be seen in court, I think they would have absorbed the odor of decomp and chloroform. The body farm may be testing more than just one item.

[dtviewer]

So now anonymous posters on a blog are credible sources, but LE isn't?

:lol:

What possible reason would LE have to NOT want to solve this case? What is your theory on that?


Unbelievable, isnt it? :D

Sometimes I sit here shaking my head after reading some of the posts.......

[Joan Weiss]

LA said there were 22 receipts. Why would the nut keep the receipts. Are there more charges to come?I found that strange, too. What was she saving them for? Maybe she was planning to return some items for cash?

[day2day]

Apparently you have blind trust for some annonymous posts on the internet.

I'll wait for PROOF that LE refused to go through tapes, PROOF that the FBI has admitted not receiving the sketch, PROOF that this wasnt investigated correctly, etc.

Unbelievable what some will believe that they read on the internet....

Does everyone forget LE barging into those peoples home in Florida?
It is reallly hard to believe that LE is refusing to follow up on EVERY credible lead....

jmo...

and more anthony spin...

[MyrDawn]

Plus all the upholstery in the car would have taken on that smell. {Isn't that why we buy carpet fresh?}

There was a guy that died in his car here a few years ago. It was a very expensive car, and they didn't find his body for a week. The family wanted to sell the car, but it smelled horrible with decomp. So, they had it completely stripped of all upholstery, rugs, headliner and everything that wasn't metal, had it sanitized, then had those things replaced, and the smell just wouldn't go away. It still smelled horrible 4 months later. They ended up selling it to a junk yard for a fraction of what it was worth.

Going by that, IMO, I certainly don't think the smell in Casey's car would go away very fast and is probably still in the trunk.

[Rayosunshine]

Same here.

Isabelle, do you still feel like Caylee's alive?

I would say I am hoping she is still alive. So far, I am not convinced either way.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[ruth66]

[QUOTE=Susaanh;12177039]LA said there were 22 receipts. Why would the nut keep the receipts. Are there more charges to come?[/QUOTE


maybe she was leaving handwritten IOU's :lol:

[deep*fear]

hey hammy,

if you read his second interview, he is DANCING.....he was gone from midnight and arrived back at the house at 2:30am....with her 'stuff'.....and LE is questioning him and saying oh its ok, we are not saying you did anything wrong...but....LA is responding "I never held anything back from them."....(meaning LE at the house).

of course he is hiding something...all her bags were all 'neated up' he says, and thats not like his sister....so why would he be there all that time....it wasnt because he was gathering her stuff...right?

no need to do any snooping around...it was all packed and ready.....

uh huh, so what was he doing all of that time if all of her 'stuff' was all ready to go, and he only needed to unplug the laptop, grab the bags and go?

best regards,
Pru

And if I were TonE her crap would have been on the stoop, lol

[crymeariver2006]

Yes, I read that also, and I wondered why George would have spun such a story if Lee's account is correct.


You don't think he would have gone on Greta and told her "Yeah, Casey forcefully (Lee's word) returned my gas cans and said 'Here's your f'ing gas cans!"

:D

[MyrDawn]

I don't understand what Casey was thinking when she gave Lee the phone number for Juliete and it of course was to some other girl. Can't recall her name at the moment. Did she think Lee would not follow up with the number and keep her secret? That nobody would answer and set Lee straight? How dumb is she? :) IMO

Now, now, you don't expect that poor little odious creature to actually think through to a logical conclusion before she tells lies, do you? :biggrin:

[hamebone]

hey hammy,

if you read his second interview, he is DANCING.....he was gone from midnight and arrived back at the house at 2:30am....with her 'stuff'.....and LE is questioning him and saying oh its ok, we are not saying you did anything wrong...but....LA is responding "I never held anything back from them."....(meaning LE at the house).

of course he is hiding something...all her bags were all 'neated up' he says, and thats not like his sister....so why would he be there all that time....it wasnt because he was gathering her stuff...right?

no need to do any snooping around...it was all packed and ready.....

uh huh, so what was he doing all of that time if all of her 'stuff' was all ready to go, and he only needed to unplug the laptop, grab the bags and go?

best regards,
Pru


LA thinks he is smart but he was hanging himself with what you have posted here..

I think he took her laptop by his home and wiped it out...LE will know how long he was at Tony's. I'm sure Tony or a roomate was home to let LA in.

another great post Pru...:beer:

[dtviewer]

OMG you want a LINK with FACTS?? you're barking up the wrong tree then lol

Exactly. Some poster(s) pick and choose which 'blogs' or 'posts' to take as fact and runs with it........:shrug:

[beckyj]

You know it just hit me, she had a bag of diapers in the car, those diapers are probably being tested along with other items. I bet those will be seen in court, I think they would have absorbed the odor of decomp and chloroform. The body farm may be testing more than just one item.

If CA didn't throw them away. Not sure if LE has them.

[steffaroob4]

'
ITA. Otherwise, why would he need 2 hours to go a few miles. I think Lee should have "colloaborated" the gas can trunk story with George a little better before he talked to the LE. Do you suppose the As talk that way at the dinner table.

So far, the LE has not said which computer the chloroform info was on or the date. LE might suspect George on that. We owned an auto agency for 30 years and I never heard anyone mention chloroform to clean any car.

Do you think he talked with Tony when he got there? Amy said she was just picking up her check book and thought she would be in and out, she ended up talking to Tony for 90 minutes. I would think tony would have questions and Lee have questions for Tony.

[tiny paw-prints]

Or at the very least in the tire well covered with carpet when George found the gas cans.


George's Original reason for getting into the trunk was for the little metal wedges so he could rotate the tires on Cindy's car.

Did George ever find those wedges that he so desperately needed, or did they fly out of the trunk when he found the gas cans?

[Pruddennce]

Good points, Pru. I think LE is looking at this pretty carefully. I'm wondering if that's "tampering with evidence?"
I agree, I think they ARE looking at their actions, all 3 of them.

Lee A specifically says Amy's checkbook was on the bureau. He already knew she stole from Amy, from his earlier conversations with his mother, PRIOR to going to the apt.

He was looking for it. and then saw it. I dont believe Tony packed her things after looking for Amy's checkbook, finding it. He found it, IMO, put in on the bureau because Amy wanted it back.

he states "He forgot" to mention about the bags being all nicely packed. too much description, why would neatly packed bags be important? or messy bags? the condition of her stuff is irrelevant unless facts are being manipulated...IMO

Lee A spent an inordinate amount of time there with her stuff.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[kakax]

In light of the good Judge Neopalitano talking about evidence that hasn't been released....

George and Cindy's statements after their first one
Her friend Annie
Further statements from the Marine
All of the evidence sent to the crime lab
Transcripts of visits with the family when she was in jail
Computer search records, specifically searches for chloroform

Anything else?

[Joan Weiss]

I agree...Lee's account of her face when he laid out how the LE investigation of Cindy's claims would go tells me that she was sure that she would be able to just keep saying Caylee was this place or that place and that the police would stay out of it...JMOYes, I don't think she counted on Cindy calling 911. Didn't Lee say when he made that clear to her, she looked incredulous (or something like that) and 'fessed up?

[desmom]

Lee did alot of stumbling about regarding the the laptop. I know exactly what he was referring to regarding how and why the screen gave him the msg that the computer was shut down inproperly...big deal..thats not a virus. but he wanted to infer she had a email/myspace eating virus.

IMO

Amy confirms that Casey was busily tapping away on July 5th because Tony was coming home and she was all girly-giddy.

computer was working fine on 7/5.

suddenly her email is wiped clean prior to July 15th as well as her my_space being cleaned up.

ETA: Lee anthony left at midnite to go get her 'stuff', laptop, etc and didnt get home until 2:25am.

best regards,
Pru

:seeya: Pru

IIRC, Casey got upset while out with friends on 7/3 because Lee was out looking for her. I think Casey knew she was not going to be able to play Caylee keep-a-way with Cindy much longer. IOW, she saw the writing on the wall and she was deleting files like crazy.

jmo

[crymeariver2006]

[QUOTE=Susaanh;12177039]LA said there were 22 receipts. Why would the nut keep the receipts. Are there more charges to come?[/QUOTE


maybe she was leaving handwritten IOU's :lol:

Like in Dumb and Dumber!

:lol:

[jakee]

I don't think she thought they would focus on her. I believe she thought they would go "Oh, well," and focus on her missing child.

I'll bet she was all prepared to play the Madonna. imo

Yes, that is probably what she was thinking. Not so bright that girl after all. IMO:)

[DiamondL'il]

ever since i was a kid my brain to mouth filter never worked. i think it, i say it or type it lol


Ohhh,FA! I have the exact same problem! My family says, "you just open your mouth and $hit starts falling out!"

Now in my AA (Anthony Anon) Group, I am told that is an acceptable quality? And if you're stumped, it's ok to make it up as you go along, according to the founders?

Thank you for the welcome. I've tried to remain quiet and open minded. As you see, that plan has completely been tossed out the window now! I simply cannot keep any of this sorted and sensible. I'm obviously NOT alone!

[GrannyB]

Good point! I also belive if either C or G had found Caylee's body in the car, they would have collapsed and had to be hospitalized. JMO


I have a hard time thnking the Anthony's will collapse over anything. They know their grandchild is dead and they haven't collapsed Heck at least two of them saw the body and moved it around. IMO

[beckyj]

You don't think he would have gone on Greta and told her "Yeah, Casey forcefully (Lee's word) returned my gas cans and said 'Here's your f'ing gas cans!"

:D


Yeah. I kind of believe those stories match more closely then we think. He found the cans in her trunk when she was confronted. I don't think LE would have known exactly what happened. JMO

[dtviewer]

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought LEE said he found the key to Amys car? And that he discussed that w/Amy?


You are correct.

[Joan Weiss]

I agree, I think they ARE looking at their actions, all 3 of them.

Lee A specifically says Amy's checkbook was on the bureau. He already knew she stole from Amy, from his earlier conversations with his mother, PRIOR to going to the apt.

He was looking for it. and then saw it. I dont believe Tony packed her things after looking for Amy's checkbook, finding it. He found it, IMO, put in on the bureau because Amy wanted it back.

he states "He forgot" to mention about the bags being all nicely packed. too much description, why would neatly packed bags be important? or messy bags? the condition of her stuff is irrelevant unless facts are being manipulated...IMO

Lee A spent an inordinate amount of time there with her stuff.

IMO

best regards,
PruYeppers, Pru, ITA. Good sleuthing! :cool:

[WillowInFlight]

Does everyone forget LE barging into those peoples home in Florida?
It is reallly hard to believe that LE is refusing to follow up on EVERY credible lead....

jmo...

and more anthony spin...

Isn't it though? surprisingly enough one of the girls name was Caylee, only with a "K"

[not.another]

Regarding the smell...one day while I was shopping I bought fresh fish. They wrapped it up. I put it in the back of my SUV with the other groceries. Brought it all home. The bag had leaked out fluid from the fish into the back of the SUV. It wasn't a lot. If I had to quantify it I would say that it was less than an ounce. I live in VA and it is HOT as the blazes here. I didn't really smell anything at first but after a few days my car smelled like an aquarium. I don't even have carpet in the back of the car, it is just a thick rubber mat. There was no fabric for it to get into but that smell stayed in my car for weeks! YUCK! It would wane, and then we would have a really hot day with the car closed up and the smell would intensify.

Also at times when we go to the beach the kids pick up seashells. They have been left in the car when it is hot, and the same thing. It smells like the bottom of a bait bucket if I don't get them out of there.

I use my car every day. I usually crack the window when I'm driving because I don't like to feel closed in. If my car can smell that way from a little bit of fishy fluid, I shudder to think what a car that had been closed up for a couple of weeks smelled like if at one point there were cadaver fluids inside it.

Also....this past weekend while driving on the highway I was making a lane change and hit an animal carcass. IMMEDIATELY the smell filled up my car. Nasty. I sprayed some body spray that I had in the car and that made it pretty bearable. It seemed like the smell stayed on the car for about 30 minutes or so and then I didn't ever smell it anymore.

Of course, this doesn't speak to a dead body, but these are my experiences with strange smells lately. :patriot:

Interesting indeed!
(don't you know you are supposed to go 'around' those nasty things)?
just kidding

[kakax]

I agree, I think they ARE looking at their actions, all 3 of them.

Lee A specifically says Amy's checkbook was on the bureau. He already knew she stole from Amy, from his earlier conversations with his mother, PRIOR to going to the apt.

He was looking for it. and then saw it. I dont believe Tony packed her things after looking for Amy's checkbook, finding it. He found it, IMO, put in on the bureau because Amy wanted it back.

he states "He forgot" to mention about the bags being all nicely packed. too much description, why would neatly packed bags be important? or messy bags? the condition of her stuff is irrelevant unless facts are being manipulated...IMO

Lee A spent an inordinate amount of time there with her stuff.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Over 2 hours...these are all great points!

[steffaroob4]

If CA didn't throw them away. Not sure if LE has them.



True, I bet she washed that doll, too. I wonder if Casey chloroformed it.

[happy2bme]

Ohhh,FA! I have the exact same problem! My family says, "you just open your mouth and $hit starts falling out!"

Now in my AA (Anthony Anon) Group, I am told that is an acceptable quality? And if you're stumped, it's ok to make it up as you go along, according to the founders?

Thank you for the welcome. I've tried to remain quiet and open minded. As you see, that plan has completely been tossed out the window now! I simply cannot keep any of this sorted and sensible. I'm obviously NOT alone!


Nope you are definately not alone. WELCOME:seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

I agree, I think they ARE looking at their actions, all 3 of them.

Lee A specifically says Amy's checkbook was on the bureau. He already knew she stole from Amy, from his earlier conversations with his mother, PRIOR to going to the apt.

He was looking for it. and then saw it. I dont believe Tony packed her things after looking for Amy's checkbook, finding it. He found it, IMO, put in on the bureau because Amy wanted it back.

he states "He forgot" to mention about the bags being all nicely packed. too much description, why would neatly packed bags be important? or messy bags? the condition of her stuff is irrelevant unless facts are being manipulated...IMO

Lee A spent an inordinate amount of time there with her stuff.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

I agree. IMO, she asked/told him if he got his hands on her laptop that he needed to go in and delete a few things.

Didn't he also say he found her cell phone? If that's so, whose phone was Casey texting everybody on to tell them that Caylee was missing?

:shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

I don't understand what Casey was thinking when she gave Lee the phone number for Juliete and it of course was to some other girl. Can't recall her name at the moment. Did she think Lee would not follow up with the number and keep her secret? That nobody would answer and set Lee straight? How dumb is she? :) IMOYes, her childhood friend. Brittany?

[tashi]

...her nightmares were not frightening enough..in my opinion. Random thought~


But being locked up in a house with Cindy may be...I think Casey's going nuts sitting by herself. She obviously has been described as a talker to those who knew her and now she doesn't have anyone to tell lies to except her attorney and family. Torture! :)

[AMS]

I don't think she thought they would focus on her. I believe she thought they would go "Oh, well," and focus on her missing child.

I'll bet she was all prepared to play the Madonna. imo


I agree Joan. She thought they would buy her story and would be searching for Zanny. A horrible kidnapping. IMO

After reading Lee's statements, my opinion is that she did this to punish her family. After all, she is a spiteful bee-atch (her words). MOO.

[day2day]

Isn't it though? surprisingly enough one of the girls name was Caylee, only with a "K"

Right..still didn't stop them~ The Anthony's will NOT be able to use LE or Tim Miller as an excuse for people NOT searching for Caylee.

I am still sitting here waiting for Cindy to start knocking on doors-it has been 100 days. Whats the holdup?

jmohammer

[happy2bme]

I agree. IMO, she asked/told him if he got his hands on her laptop that he needed to go in and delete a few things.

Didn't he also say he found her cell phone? If that's so, whose phone was Casey texting everybody on to tell them that Caylee was missing?

:shrug:

It was Casey's phone..I think WW statement says that.

Tone said Casey left her phone at his house when she left with amy and cindy.

[Joan Weiss]

I agree, I think they ARE looking at their actions, all 3 of them.

Lee A specifically says Amy's checkbook was on the bureau. He already knew she stole from Amy, from his earlier conversations with his mother, PRIOR to going to the apt.

He was looking for it. and then saw it. I dont believe Tony packed her things after looking for Amy's checkbook, finding it. He found it, IMO, put in on the bureau because Amy wanted it back.

he states "He forgot" to mention about the bags being all nicely packed. too much description, why would neatly packed bags be important? or messy bags? the condition of her stuff is irrelevant unless facts are being manipulated...IMO

Lee A spent an inordinate amount of time there with her stuff.

IMO

best regards,
PruI think someone messed with her things, but wanted to impress on LE that it wasn't him. Why would he be worried about that? And, wouldn't the FBI be able to tell when the computer history was deleted? imo

[Pruddennce]

Do you think he talked with Tony when he got there? Amy said she was just picking up her check book and thought she would be in and out, she ended up talking to Tony for 90 minutes. I would think tony would have questions and Lee have questions for Tony.

that question would be posed to Tony and I dont see it in his statement, other than Lee called him that nite. he doesnt mention him coming over IIRC.

Lee A did not say anything about chatting with Tony.

best regards,
Pru

[happy2bme]

I think someone messed with her things, but wanted to impress on LE that it wasn't him. Why would he be worried about that? And, wouldn't the FBI be able to tell when the computer history was deleted? imo

I would think so, but I am not real sure. I would think they would be able to tell every time the computer was logged on.

[Armchairdet]

Maybe she was planning on taking things back for the $$$$. :shrug:

She may have thought she would. But in my own opinion, whenever I return merchandise I have purchased with a credit card, they just put the credit back on the card. No cash back. Again, simply an opinion of experiences I have had, though few I must admit.

[MyrDawn]

I have a hard time thnking the Anthony's will collapse over anything. They know their grandchild is dead and they haven't collapsed Heck at least two of them saw the body and moved it around. IMO

I've seen no evidence and don't believe that anyone but Casey had anything to do with killing Caylee or disposing of her body.

I do believe C&G both know now that Caylee is dead, but that's a far cry from going from being told her "nanny" kidnapped her then opening the trunk of a car and seeing her little dead body in there. I believe they loved her very much and sunddenly seeing her body like that would have shocked them so badly either of them could have had a heart attack or collapsed or gone into severe shock.

JMO

[not.another]

I think someone messed with her things, but wanted to impress on LE that it wasn't him. Why would he be worried about that? And, wouldn't the FBI be able to tell when the computer history was deleted? imo

Most definately. What I haven't heard yet is what kind of conversation did Lee and Tone have while Lee was grabbing Casey's belongings. He was there for quite awhile. Maybe Lee folded her clothing while he and TonE were talking? Just a thought.

[beckyj]

I agree. IMO, she asked/told him if he got his hands on her laptop that he needed to go in and delete a few things.

Didn't he also say he found her cell phone? If that's so, whose phone was Casey texting everybody on to tell them that Caylee was missing?

:shrug:


I need to go back and check the timeline, but I believe that possibly LA or CA texted those messages about her missing. Seems kind of strange that Casey would do it after all that time. But I thought the phone was gone? Didn't she lose it and the sim card??

[Pruddennce]

I think someone messed with her things, but wanted to impress on LE that it wasn't him. Why would he be worried about that? And, wouldn't the FBI be able to tell when the computer history was deleted? imo

the computer: sure, IMO, they can get alot thru forensic IT.

best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

I agree Joan. She thought they would buy her story and would be searching for Zanny. A horrible kidnapping. IMO

After reading Lee's statements, my opinion is that she did this to punish her family. After all, she is a spiteful bee-atch (her words). MOO.Honestly, I think she just wanted to be free to play with her friends. She didn't want to deal with Cindy on that matter.

Tony said Cindy was making demands on Casey, and that she couldn't join them for fun because Cindy was insisting she come home. imo

[Rebel Rouzer]

Yes that smell must have permeated everything in that car...no doubt about it, everyone that got close to that car was grossed out.

I'm just glad that Casey told Amy about the smell on June 25. It shoots down the theory that someone tampered with the car after it was towed to the impound lot.

Hi everyone.

It also means Cindy blatantly lied when she said that smell was never there before it was at the tow yard.

She wonders why the public is reacting the way they are towards them. Hate tell Cindy but the public doesn't like being lied to especially when there is missing child involved. JMO

[jakee]

Yes, her childhood friend. Brittany?


Yes, I believe that was Brittany. Thanks.

[not.another]

I've seen no evidence and don't believe that anyone but Casey had anything to do with killing Caylee or disposing of her body.

I do believe C&G both know now that Caylee is dead, but that's a far cry from going from being told her "nanny" kidnapped her then opening the trunk of a car and seeing her little dead body in there. I believe they loved her very much and sunddenly seeing her body like that would have shocked them so badly either of them could have had a heart attack or collapsed or gone into severe shock.

JMO

Agreed. I don't think C&G knew anything about Caylee being dead before the fact. imo

[WillowInFlight]

Right..still didn't stop them~ The Anthony's will NOT be able to use LE or Tim Miller as an excuse for people NOT searching for Caylee.

I am still sitting here waiting for Cindy to start knocking on doors-it has been 100 days. Whats the holdup?

jmohammer

She must be waiting for more donations to roll in to fund her search.

[dtviewer]

I thought that was Amy's car key. And Lee was going to take care of it for Amy.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Correct. Daddysgirl was mistaken.

[joolz]

Right..still didn't stop them~ The Anthony's will NOT be able to use LE or Tim Miller as an excuse for people NOT searching for Caylee.

I am still sitting here waiting for Cindy to start knocking on doors-it has been 100 days. Whats the holdup?

jmohammer

She's too weak from her loss of weight to do the footwork?

[GrannyB]

I've seen no evidence and don't believe that anyone but Casey had anything to do with killing Caylee or disposing of her body.

I do believe C&G both know now that Caylee is dead, but that's a far cry from going from being told her "nanny" kidnapped her then opening the trunk of a car and seeing her little dead body in there. I believe they loved her very much and sunddenly seeing her body like that would have shocked them so badly either of them could have had a heart attack or collapsed or gone into severe shock.

JMO

What evidence do we have that Casey moved her. We don't even know who was watching Caylee between the 9th and the 15th of June.
We have no proof Caylee ever left the Anthony home on the 15th.

[WillowInFlight]

She's too weak from her loss of weight to do the footwork?

And George can't because he might have another mini stroke. :rolleyes:

[crymeariver2006]

It was Casey's phone..I think WW statement says that.

Tone said Casey left her phone at his house when she left with amy and cindy.

But weren't the texts to the friends informing them of Caylee missing made before Lee retrieved Casey's phone from Tony's?

[BJames]

hey hammy,

if you read his second interview, he is DANCING.....he was gone from midnight and arrived back at the house at 2:30am....with her 'stuff'.....and LE is questioning him and saying oh its ok, we are not saying you did anything wrong...but....LA is responding "I never held anything back from them."....(meaning LE at the house).

of course he is hiding something...all her bags were all 'neated up' he says, and thats not like his sister....so why would he be there all that time....it wasnt because he was gathering her stuff...right?

no need to do any snooping around...it was all packed and ready.....

uh huh, so what was he doing all of that time if all of her 'stuff' was all ready to go, and he only needed to unplug the laptop, grab the bags and go?

best regards,
Pru

I keep wanting to respond as I read....but you are a wise person Pru.

And yes,

Just my opinion of course....

[Joan Weiss]

I need to go back and check the timeline, but I believe that possibly LA or CA texted those messages about her missing. Seems kind of strange that Casey would do it after all that time. But I thought the phone was gone? Didn't she lose it and the sim card??She was making good on her search story, albeit too late. I really think she didn't dream she'd be a suspect, or that they wouldn't believe her story. As for the phone, I don't know. imo

[joolz]

And George can't because he might have another mini stroke. :rolleyes:


They obviously need a full-time nurse to stay with them. Oh, wait - they HAVE one. :rolleyes:

[happy2bme]

I'm wondering tho', when Cindy called 911 the third time, it was then that she got all emotional.

Wondering if it was just then that she could have found out what actually did give the car the odor that she was smelling.

Nothing would surprise me.

O/T- Does anyone know from where came the bag of toys and items that the Anthony's threw away that belonged to Caylee?

IIRC..Amy mentioned the dead squirrell to Cindy on the ride to get Caylee.

[hamebone]

that question would be posed to Tony and I dont see it in his statement, other than Lee called him that nite. he doesnt mention him coming over IIRC.

Lee A did not say anything about chatting with Tony.

best regards,
Pru

Nope, LA nor Tone mention a two hour conversation...I would think that would be more important to tell LE...than her clothes were all neatly packed...weird..

[MyrDawn]

She's too weak from her loss of weight to do the footwork?

:lol:
SPEW ALERT!

You sure got me on that one...I'd forgotten Cindy said she's lost 29 pounds. I wonder why she's keeping track of her weight? I guess she has different priorities than I have.

[tashi]

Actually, what is interesting about that is that Amy says that she suggested they go buy a gas can but she never says if they actually did do that.


I thought Amy did buy a gas can at Target on June 30.

[day2day]

She's too weak from her loss of weight to do the footwork?

Maybe they didn't get many Winn Dixie gift cards to buy groceries?
:mad:

jmo...

[trich]

YES, thank you so much, I can see from the second link that there is in fact a tire well with a carpet cover over it for spare tire storage.
So now I'm wondering if Caylee's body was still in the trunk when the anythonys picked up the car.



Nope...if you remember Mr Birch was there when they opened the trunk and took out the garbage bag.
Which they looked at because it had the left over pizza.

[DiamondL'il]

Actually Daddysgirl is correct, Lee found Amy's key in the bags of clothes when Cindy dumped it out.

DG originally said that LEE found Caseys keys. It was in fact, Amys key, as you stated.

[happy2bme]

She was making good on her search story, albeit too late. I really think she didn't dream she'd be a suspect, or that they wouldn't believe her story. As for the phone, I don't know. imo


Did I read it wrong? I thought Tone stated that Casey left her phone at his house and that is how he called Amy.

Did Lee get her phone from Tone?

[deep*fear]

In light of the good Judge Neopalitano talking about evidence that hasn't been released....

George and Cindy's statements after their first one
Her friend Annie
Further statements from the Marine
All of the evidence sent to the crime lab
Transcripts of visits with the family when she was in jail
Computer search records, specifically searches for chloroform

Anything else?
:cuss: All I ask is if the Amscot still had surveillance video of June 26- June 27 -- is that too much to ask?

[SandyO]

Fox just announced they will be talking with "the Anthony family's own forensic expert" in just a few moments and will learn what forensics might show. That must be Kobelinski, I'm guessing.

[GrannyB]

Did I read it wrong? I thought Tone stated that Casey left her phone at his house and that is how he called Amy.

Did Lee get her phone from Tone?


That's what I thought too. Maybe Casey was using Cindy's or George's
phone.

[MyrDawn]

What evidence do we have that Casey moved her. We don't even know who was watching Caylee between the 9th and the 15th of June.
We have no proof Caylee ever left the Anthony home on the 15th.

While it might not hold up in a court, the fact that there is forensic evidence that Caylee's dead body was in the trunk of the car Casey was driving then abandoned, and her body was no longer there when G got the car from the tow yard, is evidence to me that Casey is the one that moved her body.

[Pruddennce]

I agree. IMO, she asked/told him if he got his hands on her laptop that he needed to go in and delete a few things.

Didn't he also say he found her cell phone? If that's so, whose phone was Casey texting everybody on to tell them that Caylee was missing?

:shrug:

according to Lee A's statement, he said he volunteered to go get the cell phone, but said: 'and then THEY had went prior to, I want to say about 11 o'clock and returned with the cell phone and started calling all the contacts.

well, you have to really read what follows afterwards....Im confused a bit myself....because he is defending himself about picking up her stuff, and it seems like the cell phone was picked up at that time, not at midnight.

best regards,
Pru

[GrannyB]

Fox is talking about Caylee now. Kobilinsky is spinning now.

[rosejustrose]

Actually, what is interesting about that is that Amy says that she suggested they go buy a gas can but she never says if they actually did do that.


I read that differently. IIRC she even went on to say Casey insisted on driving Tony's jeep even though Amy volunteered to drive to Target. JMO.

[deep*fear]

:seeya: Pru

IIRC, Casey got upset while out with friends on 7/3 because Lee was out looking for her. I think Casey knew she was not going to be able to play Caylee keep-a-way with Cindy much longer. IOW, she saw the writing on the wall and she was deleting files like crazy.

jmo

7/3? That's the day of Cindy's "My Caylee is gone" writing on myspace. Wonder what happened on 7/3? First notice to pick up their vehicle from the towyard?

[Rebel Rouzer]

Kobi on Fox now

[rosejustrose]

Can something, please, post a recap of Kobi? I can't get it to play. TIA

[Rebel Rouzer]

kobe on fox news now


lol i'm slow. You all beat me to it.

[Joan Weiss]

Hi everyone.

It also means Cindy blatantly lied when she said that smell was never there before it was at the tow yard.

She wonders why the public is reacting the way they are towards them. Hate tell Cindy but the public doesn't like being lied to especially when there is missing child involved. JMORebel, I wouldn't call it a lie, just a twisting Of the facts. Cindy said she talked to the guy who towed the car, and he told her he didn't smell anything. She's running with that. imo

[Pruddennce]

Did I read it wrong? I thought Tone stated that Casey left her phone at his house and that is how he called Amy.

Did Lee get her phone from Tone?

yes, Tony said he got Amy's # from casey's phone...actually he called casey to get Amy's # and it rang in the apartment.

now the cell phone pickup....its a bit confusing, or maybe its me..lol, around page 221 for Lee A. when he is getting all defensive about removing her stuff from the apartment, but readily admits he was there a long time.

best regards,
Pru

[MyrDawn]

I'm wondering tho', when Cindy called 911 the third time, it was then that she got all emotional.

Wondering if it was just then that she could have found out what actually did give the car the odor that she was smelling.

Nothing would surprise me.

O/T- Does anyone know from where came the bag of toys and items that the Anthony's threw away that belonged to Caylee?

She called the first time about the stolen car and money. At that time, she had no idea that Casey didn't know where Caylee was. As soon as Caylee admitted to her that she didn't know where Caylee was, and told Cindy that "story" about the babysitter kidnapping her, Cindy immediately called 911 back and reported it. Naturally, she was emotional during that call...it was about her missing granddaughter, not the car or money.

[GrannyB]

While it might not hold up in a court, the fact that there is forensic evidence that Caylee's dead body was in the trunk of the car Casey was driving then abandoned, and her body was no longer there when G got the car from the tow yard, is evidence to me that Casey is the one that moved her body.

If Casey ran out of gas 2 Friday's in a row who helped her the first one.
George? She was driving Tony's car and Amy's car. We don't know if anyone else had it before it was towed. And the body wasn't in it when it was towed. It could have been in it for a very short period of time. We just don't know.

[desmom]

Fox just announced they will be talking with "the Anthony family's own forensic expert" in just a few moments and will learn what forensics might show. That must be Kobelinski, I'm guessing.

Thanks!

Koby is hearing the same thing the public is hearing. He says the defense is going to have a very challenging case. Reporter ask "challenging in what way" Koby says, "...child missing for 14 weeks, mother caught in statements that do not connect properly, gps are very concerned, search is still going on...lot of questions about what happened."

quotes are paraphrased by me and only my opinion. :D

[Pruddennce]

Is there a way to connect the recorded "code conversation" Lee had with Casey, something about the windy city, Chicago... with what Lee has told LE?

actually that was a facebook/or my-space posting on June 23 from casey to Lee regarding Chicago.

best regards,
Pru

[joolz]

I just thought of something else that is totally grotesque (like that's unusual in this case!). Was there really pizza in the trunk of Casey's car? And if so, did she actually put a garbage bag with the pizza box in the trunk with Caylee's body while she was driving around? Or afterwards when it smelled so bad?

[happy2bme]

That's what I thought too. Maybe Casey was using Cindy's or George's
phone.

Okay go to page 189 of the documents. It's WW interview. He talks about getting a message that Caylee is missing and it came from Casey's phone.

[st777jo]

That's what I thought too. Maybe Casey was using Cindy's or George's
phone.

I wouldn't think Cindy or George's phones would have all of Casey's contacts. Something isn't adding up here. jmo, jo

[Joan Weiss]

Fox is talking about Caylee now. Kobilinsky is spinning now.I predict a big increase in his income and fame. ;) imo

[tashi]

Does anyone have the link for the newly released docs?


Link to documents on this page


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-aseccasey24092408sep24,0,3123982.story

[trt]

She called the first time about the stolen car and money. At that time, she had no idea that Casey didn't know where Caylee was. As soon as Caylee admitted to her that she didn't know where Caylee was, and told Cindy that "story" about the babysitter kidnapping her, Cindy immediately called 911 back and reported it. Naturally, she was emotional during that call...it was about her missing granddaughter, not the car or money.


Amy states that Cindy was of the thought that either Casey or Caylee was in the trunk of the car and was afraid to open it. That means, IMO, that by process of elimination, she had some knowledge that Caylee wasn't just *at the beach*. JMO

[GrannyB]

I just thought of something else that is totally grotesque (like that's unusual in this case!). Was there really pizza in the trunk of Casey's car? And if so, did she actually put a garbage bag with the pizza box in the trunk with Caylee's body while she was driving around? Or afterwards when it smelled so bad?

I wonder if there is a receipt for pizza. Hope LE checks to see which Anthony has pizza and on what dates.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Rebel, I wouldn't call it a lie, just a twisting Of the facts. Cindy said she talked to the guy who towed the car, and he told her he didn't smell anything. She's running with that. imo

Hi JW. Well she definitely knew it wasn't bad pizza.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why Amy says they were afraid to open te trunk? Something isn't adding up unless that is just what Cindy told Amy to get her to take her to Casey? :shrug: It's not like Cindy wouldn't lie to get what she wanted from somebody. IMO

[GrannyB]

Amy states that Cindy was of the thought that either Casey or Caylee was in the trunk of the car and was afraid to open it. That means, IMO, that by process of elimination, she had some knowledge that Caylee wasn't just *at the beach*. JMO

It makes me think she was using the "script" when she was talking to Amy.

[Pruddennce]

Actually, what is interesting about that is that Amy says that she suggested they go buy a gas can but she never says if they actually did do that.

bratlings, Amy does say they bought it, page 19. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-09/42528488.pdf

best regards,
Pru

[GrannyB]

I wouldn't think Cindy or George's phones would have all of Casey's contacts. Something isn't adding up here. jmo, jo

LOL that's an understatement. Nothing adds up here. :shrug:

[GrannyB]

I'm interested to see how many obvious lies Cindy told LE.

It would probably be faster to count the truths she's told. :)

[Rebel Rouzer]

I'm interested to see how many obvious lies Cindy told LE.


Yeah. I want GA and CA's depo's. That is what will really be interesting I think.

[Dogmatic]

Hi JW. Well she definitely knew it wasn't bad pizza.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why Amy says they were afraid to open te trunk? Something isn't adding up unless that is just what Cindy told Amy to get her to take her to Casey? :shrug: It's not like Cindy wouldn't lie to get what she wanted from somebody. IMO


One of the witnesses said there was maggots on the pizza boxes. If pizza was left by itself in a trunk would maggots be there? OR Would the maggots be left over from the dead body in the trunk?

[MyrDawn]

If Casey ran out of gas 2 Friday's in a row who helped her the first one.
George? She was driving Tony's car and Amy's car. We don't know if anyone else had it before it was towed. And the body wasn't in it when it was towed. It could have been in it for a very short period of time. We just don't know.

The only car that decomp was found in was Casey's parents pontiac, which she was driving. That was the one that was towed, not Tonys or Amys. Casey isn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but she is smart enough not to abandon the car with Caylee's body still in the trunk, IMO.

It could have been in there for quite some time before she moved it and abandoned the car.

I believe Casey was killed the night of the 15th or sometime the 16th, of June. Mrs. Sancez, the branch manager of Amscot Financial first noticed the car there on June 27th. That's over 10 days. JMO
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/police-interview-with-catherine-sanchez-amscot-financial-employee/

[dtviewer]

Actually Daddysgirl is correct, Lee found Amy's key in the bags of clothes when Cindy dumped it out. Unless when you said, where was Casey's key to the car you actually meant to her own car.

No, the first poster Daddysgirl responded to asked about the key to 'Caseys' car, the one Cindy claimed Casey kept in her pocket in case of emergency, and Daddysgirl mentioned Lee found it.
Another poster corrected the misstatement and mentioned it was Amys' key that Lee had found.

[hamebone]

Hi JW. Well she definitely knew it wasn't bad pizza.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why Amy says they were afraid to open te trunk? Something isn't adding up unless that is just what Cindy told Amy to get her to take her to Casey? :shrug: It's not like Cindy wouldn't lie to get what she wanted from somebody. IMO

I thought Amy said CA & GA feared that Casey or Caylee might be in the trunk ...because of the smell.

Which shows they knew this was more than a pizza or garbage smell...but it was a someone is dead ...smell...like Cindy said in her 3 rd 911 call..

smells like a damn dead body has been in the car..

They feared what they might find upon opening it.

[kakax]

I wrote an email earlier to the Orlando Sentinel about why the text messages and photos were not released.

This is what she says....


Thanks for your email.
Many of the phone numbers and texts listed in the documents had nothing to do with Casey Anthony or the investigation. (For example, a doctor's phone number that was stored in a friend's cell phone).

We are not going to put documents with private phone numbers- anyone who ever called Amy Huizenga or others - online. The cops did not verify the numbers. Names are not associated with the numbers. And many have nothing to do with this case.

We do not have the manpower to go through all the pages and redact such information.

Amy Edwards
ALEdwards@Orlandosentinel.com

[Rebel Rouzer]

One of the witnesses said there was maggots on the pizza boxes. If pizza was left by itself in a trunk would maggots be there? OR Would the maggots be left over from the dead body in the trunk?

I've never seen maggots from an old pizza box but I dn't keep trash that long and I'm not going to stuff a dead body in my trunk to find out the answer to the other. My personal opinion would be from a dead body and excretements not a pizza.

(BTW I have a SUV so i couldn't do the trunk experiment anyway. S/O is lucky) J/k J/K :biggrin:

[happy2bme]

Something else I am wondering about or did I miss it.

But AH tells LE that AL got a text from Casey saying that " If they never find her guess who spends an eternity in jail".

AH says AL told her he told LE that. This is the first I have ever heard of that text. I thought he had no more contact with Casey after she left with her mother.

Could Cindy have possibly sent that text from casey's phone?

You can find this on page 77. Amy's interview.

[GrannyB]

The only car that decomp was found in was Casey's parents pontiac, which she was driving. That was the one that was towed, not Tonys or Amys. Casey isn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but she is smart enough not to abandon the car with Caylee's body still in the trunk, IMO.

It could have been in there for quite some time before she moved it and abandoned the car.

I believe Casey was killed the night of the 15th or sometime the 16th, of June. Mrs. Sancez, the branch manager of Amscot Financial first noticed the car there on June 27th. That's over 10 days. JMO
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/police-interview-with-catherine-sanchez-amscot-financial-employee/

Casey said George was going to take car of the car. Casey said she ran out of gas 2 Fridays in a row. We don't know if he did the first time and then returned the car to Casey. Mine point is we don't have proof of anything except a 3 year old child is gone and the grownups in her immediate family are a bunch of liars.

[desmom]

One of the witnesses said there was maggots on the pizza boxes. If pizza was left by itself in a trunk would maggots be there? OR Would the maggots be left over from the dead body in the trunk?

IMO, the only reason there would be maggots on pizza is if the meat was raw. I have never used raw meat on pizza.

[Dogmatic]

I've never seen maggots from an old pizza box but I dn't keep trash that long and I'm not going to stuff a dead body in my trunk to find out the answer to the other. My personal opinion would be from a dead body and excretements not a pizza.

(BTW I have a SUV so i couldn't do the trunk experiment anyway. S/O is lucky) J/k J/K :biggrin:



That's my line of thinking as well. Further evidence there was a dead body in there recently.

I'm sorry Caylee, talking so clinical and scientific about you and your demise. God bless your little soul.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I thought Amy said CA & GA feared that Casey or Caylee might be in the trunk ...because of the smell.

Which shows they knew this was more than a pizza or garbage smell...but it was a someone is dead ...smell...like Cindy said in her 3 rd 911 call..

smells like a damn dead body has been in the car..

They feared what they might find upon opening it.

Right but GA and the tow yard guy had already opened the trunk at the tow yard. I must be missing something. :read:

[Dogmatic]

IMO, the only reason there would be maggots on pizza is if the meat was raw. I have never used raw meat on pizza.


Yep. Very telling

[kOOkie1]

..do we know where Casey spent the night on the 16th?

[hamebone]

Right but GA and the tow yard guy had already opened the trunk at the tow yard. I must be missing something. :read:


Ok I see what you are saying.

It might just be something Cindy told Amy...another mistruth...

[Pruddennce]

Something else I am wondering about or did I miss it.

But AH tells LE that AL got a text from Casey saying that " If they never find her guess who spends an eternity in jail".

AH says AL told her he told LE that. This is the first I have ever heard of that text. I thought he had no more contact with Casey after she left with her mother.

Could Cindy have possibly sent that text from casey's phone?

You can find this on page 77. Amy's interview.

yes, OMG, that was unbelievable....Amy saying that Tony read her the text message...LE most assuredly has all of these dates down....these interviews were an attempt to corrborate what each person knew....not so much exact dates from memory, but matching it up to technology....

LE wouldnt really need her phone other than to dump the data left on it......the warrant for the records was obtained a few days later. so I guess the phone would be included with that? I dont know, would have to go back and read the warrant.

she was arrested in the afternoon. Amy claims she spoke to Tony earlier that day, before the arrest.

seems like she would have been texting him.

best regards,
Pru

[Rebel Rouzer]

Why would one put a pizza box in the trunk. Reckon they were having a tailgate party?

Most apartment complexes have dumpsters. So I am not sure why someone would put pizza boxes or garbage in the trunk if they had a place to toss the trash.

[kakax]

Most apartment complexes have dumpsters. So I am not sure why someone would put pizza boxes or garbage in the trunk if they had a place to toss the trash.


When I lived in apartments and my apt was far away from the trash (usually near the front of the complex) I would throw my trash on my hood until I got to the dumpster. No smell in the car!!

[trich]

Hi JW. Well she definitely knew it wasn't bad pizza.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why Amy says they were afraid to open te trunk? Something isn't adding up unless that is just what Cindy told Amy to get her to take her to Casey? :shrug: It's not like Cindy wouldn't lie to get what she wanted from somebody. IMO



Cindy said (according to Amy) that she was afraid Casey or Caylee was in the trunk.
So she deffinately knew it smelled like decomposition.

[num1barb]

I have a hard time thnking the Anthony's will collapse over anything. They know their grandchild is dead and they haven't collapsed Heck at least two of them saw the body and moved it around. IMO

ITA. I remember in the first day or two, seeing george take a big cooler somewhere in his SUV....I wondered at the time what was in the cooler.

If they did find little Caylee's body in the trunk, maybe THAT is when it was moved into the yard, THEN into george's big cooler before LE searched.

It was night, or close to it, when LE was there the first time. It wasn't until the next day IIRC that the cadaver dogs were brought out.


MOO of course

[GrannyB]

Now that my fever has abated I can address this, and I thnk it's important. It would take a week for the maggots to turn into flies. I think that Caylee was in that trunk long before the 15th or the 9th. I really dont believe this "tape" that was authenticated, maybe they are looking closer that it was actually manipulated.

Because it takes a week for the maggots to turn into flies, and flies came out when they opened the trunk. This helps us to know for sure, that she was in there at least for one week, since some had gone the full life cycle of the fly. :( That's my feeling. AND she was driving that Jeep around for a whole WEEK before AMy's car. So that puts her in the trunk for at least two weeks for me. In the FL hot sunshine? There may have been nothing much left of little Caylee, just body fluids and bones. What GA did with her bones, well, Im sure she is close, as Casey said, maybe she is inside that house. Which, is what I think.

Dots

Jenny lets forget about the video. It doesn't matter when it was taken.
What matters is LE went to the nursing home, looked at the sign in records, talk to the personnel there and it has been verified that Cindy and Caylee were there.

[AlohaRainbow]

I was simply saying he would probably have been near the back of the car at some point. He said he did not smell anything. So, either due to the cold he had he did not smell the faint odor of the closed trunk, or the smell became worse, and once opened weeks later was unmistakable. IMO

I simply felt it was ok to post something I thought to be true in an industry that I am very familiar with. If that bothered some, I don't know what to say.
as usual, i'm way behind and just catching up on the posts, so maybe someone addressed this already...

but, wasn't her car parked next to a rubbish dumpster? even with a cold, had the tow guy been able to catch any smells, it seems reasonable, imo, that he might have thought the source was the dumpster

[GrannyB]

Now that my fever has abated I can address this, and I thnk it's important. It would take a week for the maggots to turn into flies. I think that Caylee was in that trunk long before the 15th or the 9th. I really dont believe this "tape" that was authenticated, maybe they are looking closer that it was actually manipulated.

Because it takes a week for the maggots to turn into flies, and flies came out when they opened the trunk. This helps us to know for sure, that she was in there at least for one week, since some had gone the full life cycle of the fly. :( That's my feeling. AND she was driving that Jeep around for a whole WEEK before AMy's car. So that puts her in the trunk for at least two weeks for me. In the FL hot sunshine? There may have been nothing much left of little Caylee, just body fluids and bones. What GA did with her bones, well, Im sure she is close, as Casey said, maybe she is inside that house. Which, is what I think.

Dots

If it takes 1 week for maggots to turn into flies and they were still maggots when the trunk was opened how can we know the body was in the trunk for a week? Maggots not flies when the trunk was opened.
:shrug:

[Rebel Rouzer]

who was in the trunk then?:shrug:
so i'm WRONG for even THINKING Caylee MIGHT have been in the TRUNK?


No you aren't wrong. You are using fact and logic.

There is no evidence that there is another missing person or another persons dna or decomposition in that trunk other than Caylee.

No mention of squirrel decompositon either. So Casey lied again. What's new?

[not.another]

BUT they suspected when the car was picked up at the tow yard don't ya think?

According to Amy's transcripts, yes. I believe they knew that smell was of decomp. I'm talking about before the car was picked up by George and before they found Casey at TonE's place. Before this all came down on that day, I don't think they thought anybody was dead. Does that make sense?

[MyrDawn]

Casey said George was going to take car of the car. Casey said she ran out of gas 2 Fridays in a row. We don't know if he did the first time and then returned the car to Casey. Mine point is we don't have proof of anything except a 3 year old child is gone and the grownups in her immediate family are a bunch of liars.

I definitely agree they're a bunch of liars! But, we both have a different opinion of the evidence and who was involved. I do believe there's proof Caylee is dead and Casey alone is responsible. But, it's fine if we don't have the same opinion on everything, as long as the jury can reach a unanimous verdict.
JMO

[beckyj]

I've never seen maggots from an old pizza box but I dn't keep trash that long and I'm not going to stuff a dead body in my trunk to find out the answer to the other. My personal opinion would be from a dead body and excretements not a pizza.

(BTW I have a SUV so i couldn't do the trunk experiment anyway. S/O is lucky) J/k J/K :biggrin:

There was actually an experiment done with pizza right after this came out. The guy in Florida left his pizza in the trunk and it dried out and dehydrated - didn't get maggots. Maggots come from wet items, not dry ones like pizza. JMO. Sorry I don't have a link about the experiment, but I think it was on Greta.

[num1barb]

I've seen no evidence and don't believe that anyone but Casey had anything to do with killing Caylee or disposing of her body.

I do believe C&G both know now that Caylee is dead, but that's a far cry from going from being told her "nanny" kidnapped her then opening the trunk of a car and seeing her little dead body in there. I believe they loved her very much and sunddenly seeing her body like that would have shocked them so badly either of them could have had a heart attack or collapsed or gone into severe shock.

JMO

I know what you're saying, but I can't remember...how much time passed between the 911 calls?
And, if the body was wrapped in several layers of black trash bags, they wouldn't actually have SEEN the body.
Just speculation on my part. Not trying to pick apart what you're saying.

MOO

[num1barb]

Nope...if you remember Mr Birch was there when they opened the trunk and took out the garbage bag.
Which they looked at because it had the left over pizza.

But did they lift that piece of carpet that covers the spare tire?? I don't recall either of them saying they had.

[MyrDawn]

I have seen a lot of people refer to the Arm and Hammer and I'm lost. Was there laundry soap back there too? I might have missed that in the beginning.

One of the bags in the trunk of the abandoned car had Arm and Hammer laundry detergent, both powered and liquid, in the container and out. JMO
http://www.wftv.com/news/17292628/detail.html

[GrannyB]

I definitely agree they're a bunch of liars! But, we both have a different opinion of the evidence and who was involved. I do believe there's proof Caylee is dead and Casey alone is responsible. But, it's fine if we don't have the same opinion on everything, as long as the jury can reach a unanimous verdict.
JMO

If a jury could convict anyone on what we know now (not what LE knows now) we are in big trouble. Just because we feel like someone is guilty in court you need proof.

[dtviewer]

No, you're wrong for limiting yourself to only that thought.

No, FallenAngel is absolutely correct to infer that it was most likely Caylee's body in that trunk from the known evidence.

Common sense...........

[trich]

Jenny lets forget about the video. It doesn't matter when it was taken.
What matters is LE went to the nursing home, looked at the sign in records, talk to the personnel there and it has been verified that Cindy and Caylee were there.


Exactly...I can not imagine why some want to think differently then what the evidence proves. :shrug:

[Motomom]

:seeya:Hi Bratlings, havent' seen you in a while. You had said you were going to the Anthonys, did you go? You've probably already been asked, so just ignore if it's been discussed :)

I'm on page 122 of the docs. Hope I don't lose interest before finishing. I'm on Ricardo's interview. I'm getting confused now though, it seems she was kind of MIA from the 14th of June until around the 1st of July? Only sporatic messages or calls? Did she just kind of move on to that other crowd? ugg, the more I read, the more confused I get.

[BANJO GRANNY]

All I can think of is all 4 of them don't have what it takes to be human.
They are all sick.
Hi All
My first post
From one Granny to another I agree 100%



For Baby Caylee:rose:

[barskin&co.]

No one's opinion is WRONG. It is just different than yours. Even tho 98% of the people feel the body is Caylee, you are entitled to your opinion. I do not agree with you, but do not have the audacity to tell you you are wrong, UNLESS you want to answere the qestion:

WHO's body is it?


Oh, dori! You're really likely to get an answer to that question, aren't you? :D

[not.another]

Lets go there. She went there. When Caylee died, however that happened, a switch went off inside of Casey, of that Im certain. when we look at all of her behavior, she clearly, has lost her mind. The memorial tattoo says so much. But all of her bizarre behavior speaks volumes.
The problem IS; Casey is now not under a Drs care, or in a mental ward. Ergo; she is not "mentally ill" persay...but I do believe she had a breakdown.
She's fine now. Time to ante up; and go directly to jail. Her parents helped her, and there is good evidence against them of that fact. I'm pretty sure that the Chloro was kept locked in that shed along with other dangerous chemicals. It was locked for a reason. GA loves to detail cars. He cleaned up what was left of Caylee, and Im certain of it. Sad but I'm certain of it.
If I were Casey, at this point I would turn myself in, make an official statement, and wait for charges of manslaughter. She will never have a life otherwise.
She was a bad mom. She never should have children again, because she is very selfish. And, I understand that. Im very selfish as well, and I like my life the difference is; I admit it.
Casey has admitted and shown everyone, she did not want to be a mother.
The abuse that she endured as a child under Cindy's thumb is VERY APPARENT and it will takes years and years of undoing. Best thing Casey can do is get her tubes tied. And of course, serve time for what she's done.
And if one family member attempts to profit off of this dead child, even a limo ride, I hope they burn in hell. Truly I do. Even a red cent one red cent.
:rose:

Why do you think that Casey was abused growing up? Just asking. I always thought the opposite. To me it appeared as though they let her get away with anything and everything, thus the irresponsibility on her part.

[bluwaters]

Hello
Just got home from work.
HOA injunction again denied.

Judge Denies HOA Plea To Move Protesters From Anthony Home
http://www.wftv.com/news/17538105/detail.html

So, Casey is still out on bond?
BBL - :read:

[GrannyB]

Exactly...I can not imagine why some want to think differently then what the evidence proves. :shrug:

Proof is so rare in this case it's hard to forget the few pieces we do have.

[rosejustrose]

Link to documents on this page


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-aseccasey24092408sep24,0,3123982.story


They haven't released the remaining 274 pages yet?

[kakax]

O/T a little bit.

Yesterday, I watched an A&E episode of cold case files. It was about a woman who was murdered, they pretty much knew who did it but they didn't have a body.

15 years later, someone found her braids. Literally her head of hair exactly how it looked, except there was no scalp. They had both sides of the braids. (they were beautiful and long) They went back and tested some hair that had been collected from her brush 15 years earlier.

The braids were consistent with the hair on the brush.

They went back to the place where they found the braids. The only people who went to search were scientists and archaelogists. In hundreds of wooded acres, these dozen or so people found this woman's skull. They were able to find most of the rest of her skeleton.
The murderer was convicted and sentenced to life 15 years after the crime!!

There is hope that Caylee will be found! It's been done in the past after 15 years!!

[Broderick]

I'm interested to see how many obvious lies Cindy told LE.

Who knows if she lied or if George lied to police. They haven't released anything about any statements from them. They might have changed their minds, or changed the story, or told lies to the press for the benefit of Casey at this point but who knows. That is not illegal to my knowledge. They might have been very candid with law enforcement. Reading Lees document seems to suggest to me that he was fairly forthright yet he shouldn't have tried to pretend to play detective.

If they are holding information for a grand jury, unreleased at this point because they want to determine the level of charges they will impose, I think George and Cindy's statements might be part of that. Maybe, just maybe, they are the most damning information.

[rosejustrose]

But did they lift that piece of carpet that covers the spare tire?? I don't recall either of them saying they had.


Excellent point. IIRC the spare was used when Casey had the two blow outs. Who knows if she ever replaced it in the wheel well. IMO.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Sorry, and I am not going to tell you what I thought that read.:lol:
:lol: You guys need to stop before I have a mini stroke from laughing so hard.

How anyone could think that it was any other body besides Caylee at this point is beyond me. I guess for some common sense is a stranger to them.

[CNTM]

It's Sept where did you get a Peep?? :cuss:

Halloween!! They have pumpkins, cats and ghosts! Peep, Peep!!:biggrin:

[kitty1182]

Hi All
My first post
From one Granny to another I agree 100%



For Baby Caylee:rose:



Hello and Welcome:seeya:

[deep*fear]

That is what GA said, and Cindy maintained that perhaps somebody else got into the car at the tow yard.

I guess next they will have us think it was some homeless person who had no place to lay their poor head. :rolleyes:

Believe what we want, I guess. As for me and mine, I don't believe anything that comes out the mouth of the A's. jmo

ok, then if it was a homeless person, who hid the body?
Wouldn't a homeless person find it more comfortable to put a tshirt over a pile of sand than cramped in the trunk of that car?

[Broderick]

Why do you think that Casey was abused growing up? Just asking. I always thought the opposite. To me it appeared as though they let her get away with anything and everything, thus the irresponsibility on her part.

In Lees statements one can infer that Cindy was quite lethal with words.

[GrannyB]

Hi All
My first post
From one Granny to another I agree 100%



For Baby Caylee:rose:

Hi welcome to the board. I have to warn you though , you will get addicted here. :)

[tiny paw-prints]

Quote:
Originally Posted by st777jo View Post
I wouldn't think Cindy or George's phones would have all of Casey's contacts. Something isn't adding up here. jmo, jo
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LOL, But I really just meant about the phones. I am thinking maybe princess odious never lost one. Does anyone know if LE has more than just the one phones records, re: Casey's phones???

There's a message from Casey on 12/22/06 11:03PM to one of her friends on MS where she mentions a gathering over beers with her brother & friends...she added this comment:

"can't find my ****ing cell phone though, so i'm not too thrilled."

Apparently, it's not unusual for Casey to lose her cell phone, IMO.

[not.another]

O/T a little bit.

Yesterday, I watched an A&E episode of cold case files. It was about a woman who was murdered, they pretty much knew who did it but they didn't have a body.

15 years later, someone found her braids. Literally her head of hair exactly how it looked, except there was no scalp. They had both sides of the braids. (they were beautiful and long) They went back and tested some hair that had been collected from her brush 15 years earlier.

The braids were consistent with the hair on the brush.

They went back to the place where they found the braids. The only people who went to search were scientists and archaelogists. In hundreds of wooded acres, these dozen or so people found this woman's skull. They were able to find most of the rest of her skeleton.
The murderer was convicted and sentenced to life 15 years after the crime!!

There is hope that Caylee will be found! It's been done in the past after 15 years!!

Alas, there is hope. Unfortunately, I'm not willing to wait that long.

:flamemad:

[barskin&co.]

She was dead, by then. The timeline is crucial. Squirrels my eye. :D
She was already smelling her body by 4th of July weekend. No, cant let it go.

I dont believe for a second that anyone has come fwd with a sworn statement that they saw Caylee on that weekend, Fathersday weekend at that nursing home. Until I see a sworn affidavit, saying that someone OTHER THAN FAMILY saw her alive, and places her there, Im not good to go. I believe she died the weekend of Cindy's birthday.

For me the timeline is getting shaved off by days due to the doc dump last night. Using that Jeep is the key. Caylee was already in the trunk by then.

Jenny, it was in the original 400 page documents. Sworn statements by people at the nursing home.

[rosejustrose]

One of the bags in the trunk of the abandoned car had Arm and Hammer laundry detergent, both powered and liquid, in the container and out. JMO
http://www.wftv.com/news/17292628/detail.html

I'm sure LE did similar tests to debunk the pizza theory. Probably tested the squirel theory, too, IMO.

[dtviewer]

For her, I agree that she needs to infer.

She asks questions but then isn't at all serious about actually considering anything other than her own inference - which is why she continues to create childish posts.


No, she just understands that there is no reason to consider outrageous, ridiculous or made up 'theories' without a shred of evidence, while at the same time forcing herself to ignore the evidence at hand.

She, unlike some others, relies on common sense.....;)

[MyrDawn]

I know what you're saying, but I can't remember...how much time passed between the 911 calls?
And, if the body was wrapped in several layers of black trash bags, they wouldn't actually have SEEN the body.
Just speculation on my part. Not trying to pick apart what you're saying.

MOO

I can't remember how much time passed between the 911 calls, either. It's true, Caylee's body could have been in trash bags, or otherwise hidden. But, I was talking about why I don't believe either C or G found Caylee's body in the car trunk and helped Casey move it. I think Casey killed Caylee and disposed of her body all by herself without either of her parents help.

To be honest, I don't think Casey left Caylee's body in the trunk when she abandoned the car.

JMO

[GrannyB]

Lol well we all know how much Casey likes to do laundry at just anyone's house....

So I can see why that was in there. The most distrubing thing of all is not ever seeing the carset in the Jeep or Amy's car. That places caylee to me, in the trunk, in the hot fl sunshine, for weeks.

Dots

It seems to me Cindy is very fond of doing the laundry and washing dishes.

[beckyj]

O/T a little bit.

Yesterday, I watched an A&E episode of cold case files. It was about a woman who was murdered, they pretty much knew who did it but they didn't have a body.

15 years later, someone found her braids. Literally her head of hair exactly how it looked, except there was no scalp. They had both sides of the braids. (they were beautiful and long) They went back and tested some hair that had been collected from her brush 15 years earlier.

The braids were consistent with the hair on the brush.

They went back to the place where they found the braids. The only people who went to search were scientists and archaelogists. In hundreds of wooded acres, these dozen or so people found this woman's skull. They were able to find most of the rest of her skeleton.
The murderer was convicted and sentenced to life 15 years after the crime!!

There is hope that Caylee will be found! It's been done in the past after 15 years!!

There is hope, but I'm hoping it's 15 months and not years.

[beetlebrow]

Hi All
My first post
From one Granny to another I agree 100%



For Baby Caylee:rose:


Grannys of the world UNITE!!!!.....:beer:

[Motomom]

I have probably a stupid question, but I'm curious. A friend of mine is a towtruck guy, he deals with lots of accidents on our highways here. He has told me previously about "death cars". He said that when someone dies in a car accident instantly, there is an odor, a death smell. Said it just stays in the car. I'm not sure if that's true or not, but he is a very trustworthy guy. So my question is, does this really happen? If it does in an accident, would it do the same with any kind of Instant death? I hope I'm making my question clear, if not I apologize. The reason I'm asking is because I'm wondering if something happened to Caylee in the car, say she died because of the heat, WHEN would the car start smelling? OR say Casey killed her in the car with a hard hit, killing her instantly?

[GrannyB]

Jenny, it was in the original 400 page documents. Sworn statements by people at the nursing home.

I think we're fighting losing battle. :shrug:

[not.another]

In Lees statements one can infer that Cindy was quite lethal with words.

Yes, but that was only after Casey became a mother. I didn't get the impression that Casey was verbally abused before that.

[beckyj]

In Lees statements one can infer that Cindy was quite lethal with words.


I can imagine that to be true. I'm told words will hurt a person deeper than physical abuse. That doesn't excuse Casey however.

[MyrDawn]

If a jury could convict anyone on what we know now (not what LE knows now) we are in big trouble. Just because we feel like someone is guilty in court you need proof.

I didn't say I want the jury to find anyone guilty. If you read that post you quoted here, you'll see that I said it's fine for us to have different opinions "as long as the jury can reach a unanimous verdict". I didn't say a "guilty" verdict. Unanimous can be guilty or not guilty. It just means all the jurors agree and vote for the SAME verdict.

[trich]

Why do you think that Casey was abused growing up? Just asking. I always thought the opposite. To me it appeared as though they let her get away with anything and everything, thus the irresponsibility on her part.



I agree....I also think that Casey was never held accountable for anything she did.
Consequently she learned to live as she wanted because mom and dad would always cover her a**.
I believe giving birth to Caylee was the only thing in her life that she really had to do......but as time went by and Cindy found out about
Casey stealing her grandparents money ...well Ithink that was the straw that broke the camels back and when they had the fight over that and Casey left.....well Casey could not cope with being totally responsible for Caylee and she either left the child in the hot car or she used chlorform to make her sleep and she od'd while Casey did her thing
IMO

[raz]

Can someone please post the links to lees documents and then the new released documents? I cant find them for the life of me. :shrug:
Thanks

[rosejustrose]

Who knows if she lied or if George lied to police. They haven't released anything about any statements from them. They might have changed their minds, or changed the story, or told lies to the press for the benefit of Casey at this point but who knows. That is not illegal to my knowledge. They might have been very candid with law enforcement. Reading Lees document seems to suggest to me that he was fairly forthright yet he shouldn't have tried to pretend to play detective.

If they are holding information for a grand jury, unreleased at this point because they want to determine the level of charges they will impose, I think George and Cindy's statements might be part of that. Maybe, just maybe, they are the most damning information.

ITA, Lee and Jesse should not have been playing detective. After reading Jesse's second statement I just had a HMMMMM moment. JMO.

[GrannyB]

I'm pretty confident they lied. Maybe not within the first 24 hours, but later, as LE came back around repeatedly as they attempted to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

I'm sure LE is holding back info, including their interviews with George and Cindy. Should be very interesting.

I think the lies starte with the first 911 CALL

[MyrDawn]

Lol well we all know how much Casey likes to do laundry at just anyone's house....

So I can see why that was in there. The most distrubing thing of all is not ever seeing the carset in the Jeep or Amy's car. That places caylee to me, in the trunk, in the hot fl sunshine, for weeks.

Dots

The odious laundry creature. :D

The car seat being gone, and her favorite doll being gone, both later found in the abandoned car, are among the most disturbing things to me, too. Very very suspicious, IMO.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Even Cindy knew it is Caylee's body that had been in the trunk.

As soon as they found Casey alive, Cindy knew Casey killed Caylee.

Cindy knew & has known all along.

I agree. I really can't wait to read her Deposition or any other comminication she had with LE.

[Broderick]

Yes, but that was only after Casey became a mother. I didn't get the impression that Casey was verbally abused before that.

Well in my experience one doesn't just "become" verbally abusive regardless of the circumstances all of a sudden. It is generally a personality trait that is there and most likely has always been there.

[not.another]

I agree....I also think that Casey was never held accountable for anything she did.
Consequently she learned to live as she wanted because mom and dad would always cover her a**.
I believe giving birth to Caylee was the only thing in her life that she really had to do......but as time went by and Cindy found out about
Casey stealing her grandparents money ...well Ithink that was the straw that broke the camels back and when they had the fight over that and Casey left.....well Casey could not cope with being totally responsible for Caylee and she either left the child in the hot car or she used chlorform to make her sleep and she od'd while Casey did her thing
IMO

Agreed. A hot car is a very good possibility. She liked to use the name Zany quite a bit. Maybe she got ahold of some 'zany' and used it on little Caylee so she could go party?

[Joan Weiss]

Hi JW. Well she definitely knew it wasn't bad pizza.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why Amy says they were afraid to open te trunk? Something isn't adding up unless that is just what Cindy told Amy to get her to take her to Casey? :shrug: It's not like Cindy wouldn't lie to get what she wanted from somebody. IMOI don't get that part about opening the trunk, either. Apparently, George opened it at the tow yard? :confused:

Yep, it must have been manipulation, imo.

[hamebone]

I have probably a stupid question, but I'm curious. A friend of mine is a towtruck guy, he deals with lots of accidents on our highways here. He has told me previously about "death cars". He said that when someone dies in a car accident instantly, there is an odor, a death smell. Said it just stays in the car. I'm not sure if that's true or not, but he is a very trustworthy guy. So my question is, does this really happen? If it does in an accident, would it do the same with any kind of Instant death? I hope I'm making my question clear, if not I apologize. The reason I'm asking is because I'm wondering if something happened to Caylee in the car, say she died because of the heat, WHEN would the car start smelling? OR say Casey killed her in the car with a hard hit, killing her instantly?

It doesnt matter how the death happens...deomposition starts shortly after death.

There is a link in the link thread to the Body Farm that explains this very well. Its a good read about decomp.

[beckyj]

Just had pizza for lunch. I'll save the leftovers in my trunk and follow up with the results later. I'm in Florida after all. :)

We'll patiently await your reports daily. Don't forget the chloroform though. Might make a difference!:rolleyes:

[Snoopy50]

Even Cindy knew it is Caylee's body that had been in the trunk.

As soon as they found Casey alive, Cindy knew Casey killed Caylee.

Cindy knew & has known all along.
Yes, you're right, sadly.:(

[GrannyB]

ITA, Lee and Jesse should not have been playing detective. After reading Jesse's second statement I just had a HMMMMM moment. JMO.

I thought Jesses interview was the most interesting of them all.

[beckyj]

I don't get that part about opening the trunk, either. Apparently, George opened it at the tow yard? :confused:

Yep, it must have been manipulation, imo.

I thought the tow yard guy's statement said that he opened it there too. Just another web the A's weave for effect I guess!

[luvinlife]

Dead body. Does your outside garbage can "produce" maggots?



Mine does quite often, no dead bodies, but I don't know if it is dog poop or what it is from. It is quite nasty.