WED Morning, 9/24 - Day 100

[dixielover]

I thought about that too! But, nothing is ever "gone" when it comes
to computers. I'm sure the computer guys will not have a problem
finding what they need. imo

I found it interesting that when Casey & Lee were in her bedroom talking about what may have happened...Cindy walked in and said
"Who took her?" That was when Casey's mind clicked and she probably thought..."Oh yeah, I can just say that someone kidnapped her." I don't think before that, that she had this kidnapping story all ready to be told. Does this make sense?


It was late when I was reading LG- but didn't he say that CA said"What did you do?" I thought that was an interesting statement. jmo

[Nellie]

I mentioned this last night...but the whole "SMELL" part is what bothers me the most. They all smelled it and were afraid that is was either Casey or Caylee in the trunk.

The fact that Casey had talked about the smell to AH.

If the smell was as bad as Lee stated, wouldn't Tone have smelled it on Casey when he picked her up at Amscot?

When was it that she went to Jesse's house for a shower?
Maybe she was freshly showered when Tony picked her up. Remember, she was standing OUTSIDE of the car when he got there. Maybe she had washed the stench off of herself.

[not.another]

I think that playing into the mess in Casey's life when this all happened. I do think she thought Caylee was in the way of her romance.
But the fact that she had one on the hook and another in the stock pond makes that less likely as a singular motive.

I originally was willing to cling to the hope Caylee was alive. That slowly faded and I became more convinced that Casey snapped for some reason or that Caylee accidentally died and Casey being Casey covered it up and made up stories rather than immediately calling 911. If she had done that and it were accidental, her parents/friends/people who loved Caylee would have been saved emotional hell and the circus would never have come to town.


Now I think it more likely that the stress of her world crumbling made Casey snap and she lashed out at Caylee, the end result being Caylee's death. I do not think it was premeditated though. I think her life was a lie and she'd done okay keeping her lies from running into each other, as well as the people she'd lied to being kept seperate but the lies were all about to be shown. Lies about: her parents marriage, her father's health, the house, the monies she stole, her child's parentage, her career/job, etcetcetc..... And when Cindy dragged her home like a naughty ten year old, humiliated if front of her friend and her boyfriend.. I bet they had a blow out to end all family blow outs. I've seen this family's tempers. It's not pretty, provoked or not. I think she grabbed the kiddo, made a dramatic pronouncement and left. And at some point she snapped. Not sure how or why, and it's no one's fault but her own.
Caylee might've cried, had a hissy, asked for Grandma too much, who knows. This is one detail we will probably never know. Something happened, Caylee died and true to form, Casey kept on lying instead of calling 911.
And that's lead us to day 100 :(

ITA. I still don't think (as others do) that George saw Caylee's body in the trunk when she gave him the gas cans. I think they are covering for Casey now because she's their daughter, but before she was caught, I don't think George or Cindy knew anything, other than Casey is a lying, stealing, irresponsible daughter (among other things).

[jakee]

I know Casey deleted more photos from her account after she got out of prison the second time. There was this one of a fairy sitting on a tombstone that said "death leaves a heartache noone can heal. Love leaves a memory noone can steal". It was definitely the kind of stone you would place on the grave of a small child. I felt she symbolically uploaded it in order to make up for whatever terrible place Caylee's remains actually were. The internet seems to be Casey's alternate universe.

I pointed out that it was odd to have such a thing in her "new" section. Later on, after her release from prison -- that page was no more. :eek:

Woah, I had not heard about the fairy/tombstone thing. :eek:

[barskin&co.]

Oh I certainly hope she is charged!
I think you've misunderstood me. I DON'T believe Casey has committed the "perfect crime". I was basically saying she isn't smart enough to commit the "perfect crime". I'm just waiting for the day we have the breaking news that she's been arrested for murder....just like the day SP was arrested.

I hear ya! Yeah, it drives us all crazy. But, remember, we are watching this story minute to minute, and, IMO, that's why it seems to be taking so long. I really think that LE is holding out hope that they can find Caylee's remains first, but they will prosecute her in any case.

[chrissybot]

I think she initially thought of burning Caylee's body and knew she would need more than just the gas stolen from her parents' shed...she also knew that she could not be seen purchasing gas cans and gas so she asked others to buy it for her. I think that she did try to burn Caylee, and then did something else when she saw that it wouldn't work. JMO
I was thinking the same .:(

[not.another]

Why? She might not have been standing right by her car.

Right. And I don't think TonE got out of his jeep when he picked her up. She just got in when he pulled up. I really don't think the car smelled at that point. I could be wrong of course.

[Howiefan]

for some reason I cannot use the "quote" this morning to quote this post by Savannah

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Yes, Nancy Grace reported that the night it was revealed to the media from sources within the police department.

It gets so boring hear you disparage Nancy Grace and the information that is revealed on her show. We get it SS, you don't believe.

I find a few posters' continual comments about certain things boring as well but I wouldn't say that to them on here.

(BTW, NG has been known to lie/exaggerate on her show. I realize you worship her, Regina, but that IS fact.)

Beg to differ and I think a very harsh statement to make about NG.. She does not lie..and to state it as fact is pretty harsh...

[SavannahStar]

That's true. Do you suppose we're ever going to get Greta back on track?


:( I so wish she would cover this case again! I'm very interested in this year's presidential election, but heck I can go to so many other shows for that information. We really need Greta back on this case!

[babblefishie]

Yep, yep cry. Thats exactly what I think.-JMO
So what stood out the most to you guys in the doc? Who's statements & such??

I don't know .... Lee did volunteer that there was stuff clearly deleted on there didn't he? I don't know if he would delete anything. I think he was cooperating at that point. :shrug:

[happy2bme]

Why? She might not have been standing right by her car.


I asked "If" he would have smelled it because of the way Lee described how bad it was. I didn't realize how bad the smell was until reading Lee's statement.

I have never smelled decomp...so I have no idea.

[anyonesguess]

Oh, now, I would hardly call this the "perfect crime." Her only escape plan after killing Caylee was to move to another part of Orlando. She was stuck with a car that reeked of decomposition, and what does she do? She just leaves it parked somewhere, gets a ride, finito! And when questioned by police she gives them a slew of phony details like that's going to fool them. Her best strategy was to give herself a long head start (that it was 31 days was accidental; if it were left to her, she'd still be watching TV at Tony's to this day). Caylee's remains will be difficult, if not, impossible to find, but, I believe, there will be plenty of forensic evidence, combined with great circumstantial evidence, as well. I find it hard to believe it would take more than Casey to come up with this inept scenario.

Didn't it say somwhere in the documents that Casey had 2 flat tires on the car in one day on the rear tires? Where was the spare? It would seem that GA would have been as fastidious about making sure there was a spare as he was about detailing it. Where was the spare? Is that where she placed Caylee in the storage part of the spare tire holder? Maybe GA did smell something the day of the gas cans, but Caylee was hidden in that compartment?

[Armchairdet]

:( I so wish she would cover this case again! I'm very interested in this year's presidential election, but heck I can go to so many other shows for that information. We really need Greta back on this case!

It seems as if most of the cable news stations have stopped having any of their people covering it, and instead are just relying on whatever local news stations report. IMO

[SavannahStar]

I don't think the towtruck driver himself smelled it. He said he had a cold at the time and couldn't smell anything. But the tow company manager (I think that's who it was - not the driver, I know that) said he did smell it when the trunk was opened.

:eek: From all I've heard about the smell of decomp, you'd smell it with even the worst cold.......:confused:

[hamebone]

I thought about that too! But, nothing is ever "gone" when it comes
to computers. I'm sure the computer guys will not have a problem
finding what they need. imo

I found it interesting that when Casey & Lee were in her bedroom talking about what may have happened...Cindy walked in and said
"Who took her?" That was when Casey's mind clicked and she probably thought..."Oh yeah, I can just say that someone kidnapped her." I don't think before that, that she had this kidnapping story all ready to be told. Does this make sense?


Yes, it makes sense. I thought the samething, when I read it.

[barskin&co.]

I asked "If" he would have smelled it because of the way Lee described how bad it was. I didn't realize how bad the smell was until reading Lee's statement.

I have never smelled decomp...so I have no idea.

I guess he would have smelled it if Casey had himpick her up near the car, but, I'll bet she didn't let him get near the car.

[SavannahStar]

ITA. I still don't think (as others do) that George saw Caylee's body in the trunk when she gave him the gas cans. I think they are covering for Casey now because she's their daughter, but before she was caught, I don't think George or Cindy knew anything, other than Casey is a lying, stealing, irresponsible daughter (among other things).

Yep. I agree with all of that.

[happy2bme]

Right. And I don't think TonE got out of his jeep when he picked her up. She just got in when he pulled up. I really don't think the car smelled at that point. I could be wrong of course.

It did smell because she had told Amy about it.

[Rayosunshine]

That purse episode was a shocker and tells me that Lee was quite open with law enforcement. That whole thing was damning to Cindy and reveals a bit of who she is.

Wouldn't you think that bit of information may taint Cindy's credibility in court, when this goes to trial, regardless of the charges?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[happy2bme]

I guess he would have smelled it if Casey had himpick her up near the car, but, I'll bet she didn't let him get near the car.


You are probally right. She could have told him the ole "dead animal" story also.

[CuriousJ]

That is what I've thought too. I suppose that is why she was floating the squirrel and roadkill stores.


Perhaps this has already been discussed (haven't had time to keep up on the threads), but the statement I found most chilling so far in the docs released yesterday is in the interview with Amy, on P. 17, first paragraph, where Casey is talking about the trunk and she says it "smells like something died" in her car. I believe this is very telling, and her way (either subconscious or conscious) of telling someone what happened - that Caylee died in that car, probably in the trunk, possibly after being knocked out with Chloroform. :(

It all comes back to that trunk. It's where Caylee likely died. It's definitely where she sat and rotted for God knows how long before GA found her in there and helped Casey dispose of the body. Its horrible stench and resulting DNA and other evidence are what helped uncover this horrible, horrible crime.

I am so sick and sad whenever I think of disgusting Casey and her actions and lies. I refuse to believe she will get away with this. I also have no sympathy left for the rest of her family. A good, decent parent WOULD NOT cover up for their child, no matter what the crime! You can still be supportive of your child, still love them, but still make them suffer the consequences of their actions. Unfortunately, I'm sure this is a pattern established early in Casey's life - where there were no consequences for anything she did wrong - so here they sit with probably murder charges to add to all the other stuff she's gotten away with.

[Armchairdet]

Where was George after the car was picked up until the police came to the house? LA said no one was home when he arrived after George called him worried about Mom, not worried about Caylee?

Worried that mom may call LE? I don't know. I wonder if George didn't stop somewhere to clean out the car further. A self service car wash perhaps.

[trt]

:eek: From all I've heard about the smell of decomp, you'd smell it with even the worst cold.......:confused:

Not if you didn't open the car, which is not necessary in order to hook up a car to tow it. JMO

[Loves2Read]

Well whatever it is. Sworn statement. That was a typo - I think I meant to type they.

You really need to watch those typo's!! You don't want Judy telling Miss Landers on you :no:

So who do you suppose is the guy in the pickup that backed into the garage with Casey that day???? AND what do you think they were up to???

[kakax]

Woah, I had not heard about the fairy/tombstone thing. :eek:



I hadn't either...hope LE got that!!

[GrannyB]

And Lee was gone a couple hours in picking up that laptop.

Think Casey told him to try and get rid of some stuff on there?

Casey had the laptop but it belonged to Cindy. Sounds to me like someone told him too. Just who?

[not.another]

Where was George after the car was picked up until the police came to the house? LA said no one was home when he arrived after George called him worried about Mom, not worried about Caylee?

Don't know. At work? I think Cindy called him at work and he called
Lee to go. I don't know what time George arrived there. Cindy was busy calling 911 at that point, going outside for breathers.

[anyonesguess]

I guess he would have smelled it if Casey had himpick her up near the car, but, I'll bet she didn't let him get near the car.

I think he mentions in his statement that she was standing there waiting for him to pick her up. NOWHERE near the car I bet, and she had groceries in her had, but I think he stated it wasn't like store groceries, but something she had picked up from her OWN home.

[MichelleP]

I read some of the documents that were released before I went to bed last night, not all of them. I still have a bunch to go (not a very fasy reader), but who believes the squirrel story?

[trt]

Without asking I know there has never been a case quite like this before, but........has anyone ever heard of a case where a parent has "claimed" that their child was taken, the child has never been found, and the parent is the chief suspect in that child's disappearance?

Surely there have been other cases with close similarities, no?


Trenton Duckett...:rose:

[hamebone]

I think the bombshell in all the docs... is that Casey talks about the smell in her car before it was abandoned and was towed. IMO

[Armchairdet]

Or dispose of Caylee's body? JMO

Wasn't the tow guy there when George popped the trunk? I doubt he would remain quiet if he saw something like that. If she had been inside of something else it seems he would have mentioned a large container to LE. IMO

[GrannyB]

I "absolutely" believe that is what happened. Remember the first thing Cindy screamed at her was "what have you done!". Actually seeing Lee's statement about how the conversation went down makes a huge difference. She didn't just break down and say Lee, the nanny kidnapped Caylee. She was prodded and lead into that statement.

My problem with anything said by any of the Anthony's is probably a lie. So why would I want to believe Lee?

[barskin&co.]

I think the bombshell in all the docs... is that Casey talks about the smell in her car before it was abandoned and was towed. IMO

And she mentions the smell, trying to come up with a cover story for it.

[Rayosunshine]

I'm such a nosey nellie....I called WFTV and asked why the text messages and pictures from myspace weren't on their website. The guy said they should be. He said if they weren't, they would be added shortly. Has anyone seen these text messages on anyone's website?

Good going Kakax.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[babblefishie]

I found one believer. (http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii65/barskin2/sqirrel-pizza.jpg)

:lol::lol:

[MichelleP]

I found one believer. (http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii65/barskin2/sqirrel-pizza.jpg)

Lol, very funny. edit: I believe that I think it was Lee that said Casey said the smell started around June 5 (or around Cindy's birthday) which I'm pretty sure was the 5th but I could have messed the dates up.

[GrannyB]

When was it that she went to Jesse's house for a shower?
Maybe she was freshly showered when Tony picked her up. Remember, she was standing OUTSIDE of the car when he got there. Maybe she had washed the stench off of herself.


Then why didn't Jesse smell it?

[SavannahStar]

Beg to differ and I think a very harsh statement to make about NG.. She does not lie..and to state it as fact is pretty harsh...

The example which comes to mind most quickly (because I followed the case very closely) was Lauterbach/Laurean. I'm not going to dig up transcripts, but on several occasions she stated that Laurean "had a three-day barbecue on top of Lauterbach's body in his yard." (Along with her typical eye rolls.) The fact of the matter is that Laurean on three separate occasions had a bonfire in his yard in that area. NOT a "three-day barbecue". But, I think NG likes to go over the top with salacious (and oftentimes exaggerated or outright incorrect) statements.

Can't give any examples off the top of my head in this case (Caylee) but the above was the last straw for me as far as respecting what she says as always factual. If you wish to believe everything she says, that's fine. Many, many people just adore her and take her words as gospel.

[warrkat]

Good morning!
I don't think that Cindy knew what was going on when she made that call. She knew by daybreak the next morning though.

jmho

Good morning, everyone.

I agree that Cindy didn't know at the time she made the 911 call. She apparently has been covering up for Casey for a long time, buying her out of trouble when she had to, believing (or at least pretending to believe) her lies. If she had realized that Caylee was the cause of the smell in the car, and that Casey was responsible, I think her first instinct would have been to protect her daughter. It wouldn't have been that hard. These folks don't appear to have many friends, or even family members who are close..... few people who would have asked questions. She could have sent Casey away somewhere, and said that Casey took the baby with her.
I've never thought I had much of a criminal mind, but I can think of all kinds of ways this could have been covered up, and if I can do it, I KNOW Cindy could.

[Joan Weiss]

I don't think the towtruck driver himself smelled it. He said he had a cold at the time and couldn't smell anything. But the tow company manager (I think that's who it was - not the driver, I know that) said he did smell it when the trunk was opened.yes, the manager did smell it, it's in his sworn statement in the first docus released. He said he walked over to look at it, wondering why no one had picked it up yet. As soon as he approached, he smelled it. He said he shrugged it off, because they sometimes get cars that have food in them. imo

[GinoA797]

My problem with anything said by any of the Anthony's is probably a lie. So why would I want to believe Lee?


I agree this whole family is a bunch of lairs. Never in my life have I come across such crazy people...maybe I am just living a sheltered life but my god there is a child missing.....

[trich]

I'm thinking out loud here....
Could they NOT use these actual reports for a Grand Jury, but could they call these people in to testify "live" in front of the Grand Jury? I don't know if there is testimony at a GJ or not. If there is, then they could just have the friends present to testify rather than use the reports. They will use the reports of C&G, because they would not trust their testimony at this point to be the truth. Just a thought...I may be totally off base. I don't know how a Grand Jury actually works.

i don't think it takes all that much for a grand jury to indict.
but to convict is another story.
I believe they can just call witnesses during the trial which would come down to what they actually said in the interviews.
Remember they all swore they were telling the truth.
Amy swore that Cindy thought Casey or Caylee might have have been in the trunk since she told her such.
so if they got Cindy up on the stand and asked her what she thought was the smell from the trunk...if she denys that she thought it was Casey or Caylee ...well they could get her on purgery.
Of course we don't know what Cindy or George said in their sworn statements and something tells me that might be a bombshell.
Would love to know if they admitted they thought it could have been their daughter or their grandaughter.
Of course Grand Jurys are secret so guess we will have to wait and see if and when Casey will be indicted for murder or negligent homicide. or what else it could be called when you are responsible for the death of your daughter.

[deep*fear]

Worried that mom may call LE? I don't know. I wonder if George didn't stop somewhere to clean out the car further. A self service car wash perhaps.

If I had a nasty smelling trunk on an older car I would go to a self service car wash and hose it out and let it dry in the sun the next day. Do those places have cameras?

[SavannahStar]

I read some of the documents that were released before I went to bed last night, not all of them. I still have a bunch to go (not a very fasy reader), but who believes the squirrel story?

You're kidding, right? :D

[rosejustrose]

Actually Jesse commented that he didn't think she needed a shower.


Good morning! Maybe she felt dirty or couldn't get the smell out of head. JMO.

[dixielover]

I was talking with my retired FBI/TBI uncle and telling him about the 1000 pages that was released on the anthony case. He stated, in his opinion that they probably have a room full of stuff on this family by now. He states 1000 pages in nothing. jmo

[ellegna]

I've never heard that anywhere. If NG said that.......well......no comment. LOL.


Nancy never said it...Mike Brooks did

GRACE: Well, let`s think this through. Let`s think this through just a moment. Let`s go to Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI. All right, if it`s difficult to purchase chloroform as an individual -- see, we don`t know, Mike Brooks, what those Web sites were that apparently, mom, Casey, went to. But we know she went to multiple Web sites about chloroform. What if, like Jackie in California is saying, she found this old bottle of chloroform. What if someone happened upon chloroform, and the Web sites are how to use the chloroform, not necessarily buying it or creating it?

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Right. That`s what I`m hearing, Nancy, that she went there to look up chloroform and how to use it. Now, I spoke to a chemist friend of mine last night about chloroform, and he said that it`s not that hard to get. And you could probably go to a college or a high school lab and get chloroform there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/04/ng.01.html

[Joan Weiss]

:eek: From all I've heard about the smell of decomp, you'd smell it with even the worst cold.......:confused:I doubt he got anywhere near the trunk. Have you ever had your car towed? They don't go near the trunk. They hook up on the front. Also, it was right next to a dumpster. That had to smell, too. imo

[Armchairdet]

If I had a nasty smelling trunk on an older car I would go to a self service car wash and hose it out and let it dry in the sun the next day. Do those places have cameras?

Some here do. They once caught a woman abusing her child, hosing the child down with a high powered hose.

[Fallen Angel]

VERY interesting read -

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_momsatwork/2008/09/casey-anthony-i.html?cid=131720890#comment-131720890

Use your "find", and locate this posters FIRST post and follow down from there.

Her name is Telling The Truth, and her first post begins with -

"Fact: On July 2nd, I saw and spoke with Caylee Marie Anthony at the Orlando Int. Airport. I also spoke with the lady with Caylee as did other people. (The lady with Caylee was not Hispanic.)"

oh good God :punch:

[MichelleP]

You're kidding, right? :D

Kidding about being a slow reader, no. I really don't believe the squirrel story though.

[babblefishie]

I have to say re: Lee's laughter in inappropriate places .... I kind of understand it because when you come from a family that's dysfunctional and you are describing their incredible weirdness to others, a sort of embarrassment and nervous shame about how odd it all sounds when you say it comes over you. You find yourself laughing at how insane what you are describing sounds. It's not the same as truly finding something funny. IMO

I still have some faith that Lee is helping officers behind the scenes. Maybe I'm naive to think there can be any heroes at this point, but I think Lee is doing the best he knows how to do coming out of that family. :shrug:

[rosejustrose]

If I had a nasty smelling trunk on an older car I would go to a self service car wash and hose it out and let it dry in the sun the next day. Do those places have cameras?

You too funny, deep. We're talking about Casey here. Do you really think she'd go through all that trouble? But, she did have TonE's jeep cleaned for him when he got back from NYC, didn't she. Wonder why? Maybe some spilled gas or worse. JMO.

[Armchairdet]

I doubt he got anywhere near the trunk. Have you ever had your car towed? They don't go near the trunk. They hook up on the front. Also, it was right next to a dumpster. That had to smell, too. imo

Once it is on the bed he would walk around his truck to secure it. He would be standing near the back tires with the car above him. IMO

[tisamystery]

I've missed the past few days but now I'm hearing a lot about gas cans. What's that all about? Just hearing about them is making me wonder if Casey needed to tranpsort gas somewhere - to burn a body?

And there was mention of finding a backpack, but it wasn't Caylee's . . . because her's had monkeys on it. Says who? Casey? Why would anybody think Casey would tell the truth about what Caylee was wearing or waht her backpack looked like?

[deep*fear]

Without asking I know there has never been a case quite like this before, but........has anyone ever heard of a case where a parent has "claimed" that their child was taken, the child has never been found, and the parent is the chief suspect in that child's disappearance?

Surely there have been other cases with close similarities, no?

Madeleine McCann :rose:
Trenton Duckett :rose:

[Joan Weiss]

So, from reading the docus, I also learned that Casey had Tony's jeep while he was in NY. She went from that to Amy's car. She wasn't without wheels. imo

[GrannyB]

It's time for me to leave work. Could you all please type slowly. Usually by the time I get home I'm 15 pages behind.:seeya:

[babblefishie]

You too funny, deep. We're talking about Casey here. Do you really think she'd go through all that trouble? But, she did have TonE's jeep cleaned for him when he got back from NYC, didn't she. Wonder why? Maybe some spilled gas or worse. JMO.

The only thing Casey cleaned up was her computer and herself.... I think when things are really dirty and icky, she just walks away.

[SavannahStar]

Nancy never said it...Mike Brooks did

GRACE: Well, let`s think this through. Let`s think this through just a moment. Let`s go to Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI. All right, if it`s difficult to purchase chloroform as an individual -- see, we don`t know, Mike Brooks, what those Web sites were that apparently, mom, Casey, went to. But we know she went to multiple Web sites about chloroform. What if, like Jackie in California is saying, she found this old bottle of chloroform. What if someone happened upon chloroform, and the Web sites are how to use the chloroform, not necessarily buying it or creating it?

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Right. That`s what I`m hearing, Nancy, that she went there to look up chloroform and how to use it. Now, I spoke to a chemist friend of mine last night about chloroform, and he said that it`s not that hard to get. And you could probably go to a college or a high school lab and get chloroform there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/04/ng.01.html


Keep in mind I never said she said it. Just said that IF she did....well.....

Anyway, so the person who did say it, said "I'm hearing...." Well, that's not real conclusive proof to me. From a CNN analyst? No. I need a little more than that.

[Joan Weiss]

Once it is on the bed he would walk around his truck to secure it. He would be standing near the back tires with the car above him. IMOThey don't use a bed, unless the tires are flat. imo

[trt]

Once it is on the bed he would walk around his truck to secure it. He would be standing near the back tires with the car above him. IMO

But smells travel up usually, right? In the open air and with the car above him, I doubt he'd be able to smell it. Also, if he didn't use a flat bed, but drug the car from the front wheels, he would not have a need to go to the back. I've seen tow truck drivers who are in a hurry to get a car hooked up before the owner comes outside and some of them don't even get out of the car, just use the motorized arms to maneuver and hitch the car. JMO

[rosejustrose]

I was talking with my retired FBI/TBI uncle and telling him about the 1000 pages that was released on the anthony case. He stated, in his opinion that they probably have a room full of stuff on this family by now. He states 1000 pages in nothing. jmo


I agree. I started following another missing persons case on the boards and she's been missing almost 3 years. The GBI stated they had like 5 feet worth of documents. I would think 1000 pages with all the people involved in the case would be a drop in the bucket. IMO.

[happy2bme]

I am reading WW statement now. Pretty interesting.

[Armchairdet]

They don't use a bed, unless the tires are flat. imo

I am positive some places do. Without any doubt in my mind whatsoever. IMO

[Fallen Angel]

GEORGE ANTHONY, GRANDFATHER OF MISSING TODDLER: The person who was in the back of my granddaughter`s (SIC) car is not my granddaughter! So why don`t you guys get your facts straight!

Makes is sound like he knew there was a person in the trunk.......

EXACTLY...........Cindy had the nerve to lie and say someone must have put a body in the trunk while it was the impound BUT guess what noone had a KEY and the lock had not been broke.

[Regina.Lampert]

I thought about that too! But, nothing is ever "gone" when it comes
to computers. I'm sure the computer guys will not have a problem
finding what they need. imo

I found it interesting that when Casey & Lee were in her bedroom talking about what may have happened...Cindy walked in and said
"Who took her?" That was when Casey's mind clicked and she probably thought..."Oh yeah, I can just say that someone kidnapped her." I don't think before that, that she had this kidnapping story all ready to be told. Does this make sense?


That's true and when they find the missing information they will also learn exactly who deleted it and when.

[Pruddennce]

Why? She might not have been standing right by her car.

what is significant to me: She was using Tony's jeep.

and took it to the carwash. Im also curious as to purchases she made....wondering if she bought a plastic storage box.

best regards,
Pru

[trt]

I am reading WW statement now. Pretty interesting.

There goes the theories that LE has not fully investigated people involved with this case...JMO

[jakee]

Probably more like she was preparing for another sexual escapade.

:eek: probably!

[num1barb]

Where was George after the car was picked up until the police came to the house? LA said no one was home when he arrived after George called him worried about Mom, not worried about Caylee?


Good question!! I've wondered that too. I've wondered if maybe Caylee's body was STILL in the trunk and george hid it somewhere. Could be why the stench was SO strong.

MOO

[Armchairdet]

They don't use a bed, unless the tires are flat. imo

Oh, and also most places that would tow a car behind a tow truck would have to put tow lights on the back of the car. I am sure of this also. IMO

[Pruddennce]

I've missed the past few days but now I'm hearing a lot about gas cans. What's that all about? Just hearing about them is making me wonder if Casey needed to tranpsort gas somewhere - to burn a body?

And there was mention of finding a backpack, but it wasn't Caylee's . . . because her's had monkeys on it. Says who? Casey? Why would anybody think Casey would tell the truth about what Caylee was wearing or waht her backpack looked like?


I think the evidence speaks for itself. She didnt pack up even a small amount of caylee's items from the anthony's home. no shoes, no pj's, no clothing and it appears that there werent any of caylee's belongings at the apartment.

significant: baby doll in the car. her favorite.

best regards,
Pru

[Armchairdet]

Not true at all.

Correct. Also if they don't use a flatbed, then they use tow lights on the back of the towed car.. IMO of course.

[EGirl]

yes, the manager did smell it, it's in his sworn statement in the first docus released. He said he walked over to look at it, wondering why no one had picked it up yet. As soon as he approached, he smelled it. He said he shrugged it off, because they sometimes get cars that have food in them. imo

I thought I read that one of the guys at the impound yard said that the only other time they'd smelled a car like that is when they got a car that a guy had committed suicide in?

I don't recall him shrugging it off as a food smell??

[summer4meplz]

If I had a nasty smelling trunk on an older car I would go to a self service car wash and hose it out and let it dry in the sun the next day. Do those places have cameras?


If I had a nasty smelling trunk and my daughter and granddaughter were missing, I would call LE immediately....as I'm sure almost, if not, all of us on this message board would have also done...

Just got through reading 317 pages.....I'm crosseyed now and have a cramp in my scrolling finger.....but does anyone know when the rest of it will be released? Or has it already been released while I was reading?

thanks....and good morning too:)

[Joan Weiss]

Where was George after the car was picked up until the police came to the house? LA said no one was home when he arrived after George called him worried about Mom, not worried about Caylee?At work. He had just started a new job. That's why he couldn't pick up the letter about the car immediately. It's in the docus.

[barskin&co.]

Good question!! I've wondered that too. I've wondered if maybe Caylee's body was STILL in the trunk and george hid it somewhere. Could be why the stench was SO strong.

MOO

I think that is unlikely fora few reasons. If Caylee's body was still in the trunk, the state of decomposition would have been so bad, well, I'd rather not go further. I would say the body was in there and decomp liquid got in the fabric.

[Fallen Angel]

I think the evidence speaks for itself. She didnt pack up even a small amount of caylee's items from the anthony's home. no shoes, no pj's, no clothing and it appears that there werent any of caylee's belongings at the apartment.

significant: baby doll in the car. her favorite.

best regards,
Pru

maybe she bought Caylee ALL new things for her trip with Zani :cuss:

[SavannahStar]

I have to say re: Lee's laughter in inappropriate places .... I kind of understand it because when you come from a family that's dysfunctional and you are describing their incredible weirdness to others, a sort of embarrassment and nervous shame about how odd it all sounds when you say it comes over you. You find yourself laughing at how insane what you are describing sounds. It's not the same as truly finding something funny. IMO

I still have some faith that Lee is helping officers behind the scenes. Maybe I'm naive to think there can be any heroes at this point, but I think Lee is doing the best he knows how to do coming out of that family. :shrug:

That's the second post you've made today I totally agree with you on. Well said.

[Joan Weiss]

I thought I read that one of the guys at the impound yard said that the only other time they'd smelled a car like that is when they got a car that a guy had committed suicide in?

I don't recall him shrugging it off as a food smell??He said that after George arrived and they opened the car. I'm talking about when he walked around the yard, before anyone came to pick up the car. Please go read his statement. TIA

[Kathlb]

I've never heard that anywhere. If NG said that.......well......no comment. LOL.


I posted that back awhile ago but couldn't find the link to the correct NG youtube. Someone backed me up that they heard it too, it might have been Barskin, I have CRS. :-)

[EGirl]

He said that after George arrived and they opened the car. I'm talking about when he walked around the yard, before anyone came to pick up the car. Please go read his statement. TIA



I DID read it....the point is the op asked if anyone smelled it at the impound lot and you only referenced the 'before' statement. Once G&C got there and opened the car he definitely said it smelled like a dead body, not food.

[SavannahStar]

I posted that back awhile ago but couldn't find the link to the correct NG youtube. Someone backed me up that they heard it too, it might have been Barskin, I have CRS. :-)

It's already been posted and I commented.

I get CRS a lot too. :D

[num1barb]

VERY interesting read -

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_momsatwork/2008/09/casey-anthony-i.html?cid=131720890#comment-131720890

Use your "find", and locate this posters FIRST post and follow down from there.

Her name is Telling The Truth, and her first post begins with -

"Fact: On July 2nd, I saw and spoke with Caylee Marie Anthony at the Orlando Int. Airport. I also spoke with the lady with Caylee as did other people. (The lady with Caylee was not Hispanic.)"

IIRC, this was investigated by LE and found to be a case of mistaken identity.

MOO because I'm not looking for the link to the article.

[steffaroob4]

Morning all:)

I assume we still haven't gotten the text messages or phone records.

What I find the MOST interesting is all of the investigation information Jesse was collecting for the family, and they seem to have told him NOTHING. Why wasn't GP's filling in Jesse's calendar with times and calls/info? Why wasn't CA helping LE with dates she called or saw the baby?

[desmom]

VERY interesting read -

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_momsatwork/2008/09/casey-anthony-i.html?cid=131720890#comment-131720890

Use your "find", and locate this posters FIRST post and follow down from there.

Her name is Telling The Truth, and her first post begins with -

"Fact: On July 2nd, I saw and spoke with Caylee Marie Anthony at the Orlando Int. Airport. I also spoke with the lady with Caylee as did other people. (The lady with Caylee was not Hispanic.)"

LE did follow up on the tip. Pages 307 & 308 of the 400 pages released earlier is the report from LE re: the Orlando Airport sighting.

LE contacted her asked if she would do a composite sketch of the adult. Ms. **** said she "had not really seen the adult female's face and so did not believe she could complete a sketch. She said her son had seen the female better than she had. I (LE) asked her again if she and her son would meet with Deputy ***** for the sketch. She said she could not come to Orlando but would be willing to beet with him in Leesburg." LE made arrangements. Her son did complete a composite sketch.

The video surveillance was not available because it had been already been erased.

LE was able to determine the flight number of the witness, Flight 862 and it departed Orlando to Atlanta at 1758 hours on 7/2/08. LE did receive the flight manifest for Flight 862. There were 2 children on the flight - one a 7 year old boy and the other a lap child - DOB 5/01/07. After obtaining a subpoena for additional information about the passengers, LE was provided the info. LE forwarded the info to the FBI to verify the children's identities.

jmo

[deep*fear]

I like getting these documents, but I wish the person redacting would be more conscientious. It's not difficult to scan a document for #'s to black out.

[marshmallow]

VERY interesting read -

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_momsatwork/2008/09/casey-anthony-i.html?cid=131720890#comment-131720890

Use your "find", and locate this posters FIRST post and follow down from there.

Her name is Telling The Truth, and her first post begins with -

"Fact: On July 2nd, I saw and spoke with Caylee Marie Anthony at the Orlando Int. Airport. I also spoke with the lady with Caylee as did other people. (The lady with Caylee was not Hispanic.)"




I'm not too keen on trusting sources like that.

[EGirl]

IMO they use the lights if they don't have access to the car so that they can use turn signals and brake lights.

JMO

[Ellie]

ITA. It is a morality issue, and a LEGAL one. You simply cannot take money that is not yours, not even if a person "owes" you money in some fashion.


Cindy probably took the money figuring that if Casey didn't have any money she couldn't go anywhere to party. Makes total sense to me. Cindy was treating Casey like a child because Casey acted like a child.

[num1barb]

Wasn't the tow guy there when George popped the trunk? I doubt he would remain quiet if he saw something like that. If she had been inside of something else it seems he would have mentioned a large container to LE. IMO

Yeah, but if the spare tire wasn't in there (perhaps it was used when she had two flats and wasn't ever replaced?? just speculating) then certainly an almost-3-y.o.'s body would fit in there.

MOO

[babblefishie]

what is significant to me: She was using Tony's jeep.

and took it to the carwash. Im also curious as to purchases she made....wondering if she bought a plastic storage box.

best regards,
Pru

I think Caylee's lucky if she even got a garbage bag. I don't think Casey would spend too much money on her daughter post-humously.

[deep*fear]

EXACTLY...........Cindy had the nerve to lie and say someone must have put a body in the trunk while it was the impound BUT guess what noone had a KEY and the lock had not been broke.

I think that's why Cindy was trying to say Casey was such a wonderful mother that she carried a spare key in her pocket... she was going to try to say the keys were left in the vehicle :shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

But smells travel up usually, right? In the open air and with the car above him, I doubt he'd be able to smell it. Also, if he didn't use a flat bed, but drug the car from the front wheels, he would not have a need to go to the back. I've seen tow truck drivers who are in a hurry to get a car hooked up before the owner comes outside and some of them don't even get out of the car, just use the motorized arms to maneuver and hitch the car. JMOyep, I live in snow country. I've had my car towed a couple of times, last winter, as a matter of fact. They just hooked it up and off they go. imo

[Joan Weiss]

I am positive some places do. Without any doubt in my mind whatsoever. IMOWhy don't you call them and ask their procedure? I'm done.

[Kathlb]

I found the post! :-) It was Rebel Rouzer.... pasted below. Yea!

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I posted earlier this morning about hearing a leak on NG about the search that Casey did online for chloroform. They said one was for how to administer it to a person. Well, I've searched and searched and can't find it. I think it was Drew Petramo (sp) but not sure. Now I'm questioning myself...did I hear it? Read it? Hmmmmmm, so until I find the actual statement, please take it with a grain of salt. I'll still keep looking. Thanks!
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If I remember correctly. NG's producer was the one who stated that as well. You did not imagine it. I also heard it.
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Everyone already knows it's my opinion by virtue of the fact that I said it, no need to restate the obvious. Dignity & Justice for Caylee.

[marshmallow]

maybe she bought Caylee ALL new things for her trip with Zani :cuss:

her lawyer would have mentioned the sale's slips, etc.

[Pruddennce]

I know a lady who does that kind of inappropriate laughing, she's done it all the years I've known her, and there's nothing wrong with her or family. I don't know why she does it, she even does it when she gives bad news like someone has passed away. The laughter just comes out.

respectfully disagree regarding the inappropriateness of Lee A's chuckles.

we've all seen him while speaking....he's a put-on IMO. casualness in an attempt to infer HONESTY. quite the opposite effect, IMO.

he should not have removed her belongings from Tony's apartment. LE was called, it was their job to take possession of her 'stuff'.

he compromised the investigation and it shows in his demeanor. attempting once again to infer 'he was helping'...

he was 'investigating' to grab anything that was suspect. IMO

he had no business being at tony's apartment.

best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

I DID read it....the point is the op asked if anyone smelled it at the impound lot and you only referenced the 'before' statement. Once G&C got there and opened the car he definitely said it smelled like a dead body, not food.Have a nice day. :seeya:

[Rayosunshine]

Good morning everyone:seeya:. I read through most of the doc last night. Is it me or does it seem odd that Casey has this thing with gas cans. What was she really doing with using all these gas cans? In all of my 40 years, I have never used a gas can. And the whole thing with Lee talking about Caseys laptop getting wiped out, GMAB!
:rose:Caylee

No, chrissybot, it's not just you. I don't get the gas can thing myself. Think she was selling the gas, with prices so high for gas? If so, you'd think someone would come forward. Doesn't make sense.

Isbelle,
Ray'sMom

[hamebone]

I have to say re: Lee's laughter in inappropriate places .... I kind of understand it because when you come from a family that's dysfunctional and you are describing their incredible weirdness to others, a sort of embarrassment and nervous shame about how odd it all sounds when you say it comes over you. You find yourself laughing at how insane what you are describing sounds. It's not the same as truly finding something funny. IMO

I still have some faith that Lee is helping officers behind the scenes. Maybe I'm naive to think there can be any heroes at this point, but I think Lee is doing the best he knows how to do coming out of that family. :shrug:


Lee came across very immature when I read his statement....to me anyway. He like Casey, uses larger words, when a simple one will do.

[Joan Weiss]

respectfully disagree regarding the inappropriateness of Lee A's chuckles.

we've all seen him while speaking....he's a put-on IMO. casualness in an attempt to infer HONESTY. quite the opposite effect, IMO.

he should not have removed her belongings from Tony's apartment. LE was called, it was their job to take possession of her 'stuff'.

he compromised the investigation and it shows in his demeanor. attempting once again to infer 'he was helping'...

he was 'investigating' to grab anything that was suspect. IMO

he had no business being at tony's apartment.

best regards,
PruI know someone who giggles through his lying stories. imo

[jakee]

I am reading WW statement now. Pretty interesting.

I was confused by ( Ryan I believe) saying something that WW made a statement about a dead body in the trunk. I need to read that again. I think it was WW's interview. grrrr head spinning.

[Joan Weiss]

No, chrissybot, it's not just you. I don't get the gas can thing myself. Think she was selling the gas, with prices so high for gas? If so, you'd think someone would come forward. Doesn't make sense.

Isbelle,
Ray'sMomI agree. I don't get the gas can purposes at all. :confused:

[barskin&co.]

I'm not too keen on trusting sources like that.

We are not supposed to be posting messages from other MBs.

[num1barb]

I thought I read that one of the guys at the impound yard said that the only other time they'd smelled a car like that is when they got a car that a guy had committed suicide in?

I don't recall him shrugging it off as a food smell??


This is what I recall too, EGirl.

[SandyO]

ITA. I still don't think (as others do) that George saw Caylee's body in the trunk when she gave him the gas cans. I think they are covering for Casey now because she's their daughter, but before she was caught, I don't think George or Cindy knew anything, other than Casey is a lying, stealing, irresponsible daughter (among other things).

I sure do agree with you there. If George had opened the trunk to see Caylee's decomposing body he would have been flat out on the ground, probably with a full blown coronary.

[kakax]

This was all I could find from Nancy Grace's transcripts on the chloroform and what the searches might have been.



GRACE: OK, wa-wa-wa-wait. Forget about that. Was she searching about how to buy it, how to use it, how to create it. What were the searches, Natisha?

LANCE: Those details haven`t been released as of yet, Nancy, but we just know that there has been a history of chloroform searches on the computer.

GRACE: And we know that these searches were discovered on or around July 16 when police seized the laptop, correct?

LANCE: That`s correct.

GRACE: But we don`t know when the searches occurred?

LANCE: That`s correct.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/03/ng.01.html

[Kathlb]

No, chrissybot, it's not just you. I don't get the gas can thing myself. Think she was selling the gas, with prices so high for gas? If so, you'd think someone would come forward. Doesn't make sense.

Isbelle,
Ray'sMom

It would be so nice if someone would come forward and say they saw someone burning something in an out of the way place during that time period. If she was trying to burn the body, it isn't a hot enough fire to do that. And there might be some evidence or remains left. MOO

[Armchairdet]

Yeah, but if the spare tire wasn't in there (perhaps it was used when she had two flats and wasn't ever replaced?? just speculating) then certainly an almost-3-y.o.'s body would fit in there.

MOO



I think that car would have one of those small temp. tires. Not sure if that space is big enough. IMO Also some tires like my spare are under the car.

[Joan Weiss]

So you are saying that he picked up the car and dropped it off at home then went to work?Apparently so. What I don't get is why they parked it in the garage with that terrible smell. Airing it out? Ewww... that had to permeate the garage. imo

[trt]

Oh, and also most places that would tow a car behind a tow truck would have to put tow lights on the back of the car. I am sure of this also. IMO


I have seen many towed cars with no lights on the back. But really, IMO, that is neither here nor there since this tow truck driver is one of the very few people who came in contact with this car that have not commented on the smell, INCLUDING CASEY as a means of explaining it away. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

This woman is going to bode very well for the Defense for numerous reasons while creating reasonable doubt.

I don't see her doing anything for the defense, It was investigated, it was proven NOT to be Caylee.

[Pruddennce]

At work. He had just started a new job. That's why he couldn't pick up the letter about the car immediately. It's in the docus.

and that is what is so odd about this case. Lee A is stating the smell was horrendous even with the trunk popped and the windows open.....and Cindy AND George were afraid there was a body in it...so there isnt a body, George goes to work and calls Lee to referee the 'situation'.....

odd. considering the circumstances....never heard caylee's voice again after father's day.

best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

I sure do agree with you there. If George had opened the trunk to see Caylee's decomposing body he would have been flat out on the ground, probably with a full blown coronary.According to Lee, George didn't retrieve the gas cans, Casey did. So now we have to figure out if George's story was a lie. imo

[Fallen Angel]

This woman is going to bode very well for the Defense for numerous reasons while creating reasonable doubt.

i doubt it. really.......the LE looked into it and their was no credible evidence that was caylee.

Like you love to say.......just another person waiting their 15 minutes

[Armchairdet]

I have seen many towed cars with no lights on the back. But really, IMO, that is neither here nor there since this tow truck driver is one of the very few people who came in contact with this car that have not commented on the smell, INCLUDING CASEY as a means of explaining it away. JMO

I was speaking of the way companies tow that are interested in towing in the way they are legally suppose to. At least as the law pertains to the city in question.

[trich]

I am positive some places do. Without any doubt in my mind whatsoever. IMO



What many are forgetting ...the car was towed on the 30th.
Cindy and George and Mr Birch( the owner of the impound yard) did not go to the car for 2 weeks after it was towed.
It might not have smelled half as bad on the 30th.
2 more weeks sitting in the sun probably added alot more "stink" and it was then obvious that something died in that car.....and it wasn't squirrels.

[kOOkie1]

Does anyone remember the date that RM states that Casey and Caylee had spent the night, but, when he got up Caylee wasent there?? ..where would Casey have taken Caylee either early in the morning or middle of the night? strange...:confused:

[roytoy]

This woman is going to bode very well for the Defense for numerous reasons while creating reasonable doubt.

it won't even be used by the defense b/c it has already been debunked, see the post above in this thread:

LE was able to determine the flight number of the witness, Flight 862 and it departed Orlando to Atlanta at 1758 hours on 7/2/08. LE did receive the flight manifest for Flight 862. There were 2 children on the flight - one a 7 year old boy and the other a lap child - DOB 5/01/07. After obtaining a subpoena for additional information about the passengers, LE was provided the info. LE forwarded the info to the FBI to verify the children's identities.

this tip person would have to tell their tale under oath and it sounds like they either have a faulty memory or, like so many others in this case, inserted themselves to get attention. for whatever twisted reasons.

[kitty1182]

I don't see her doing anything for the defense, It was investigated, it was proven NOT to be Caylee.

I agree..:seeya:

[SavannahStar]

Does anyone remember the date that RM states that Casey and Caylee had spent the night, but, when he got up Caylee wasent there?? ..where would Casey have taken Caylee either early in the morning or middle of the night? strange...:confused:


I don't recall the date.

She told him she took Casey to her mom's.

[WillowInFlight]

Does anyone remember the date that RM states that Casey and Caylee had spent the night, but, when he got up Caylee wasent there?? ..where would Casey have taken Caylee either early in the morning or middle of the night? strange...:confused:

I don't remember the date, but the story she gave is Cindy wanted Caylee home with her. Supposedly Cindy called her in the middle of the night.:rolleyes:

[sukapi]

I think she initially thought of burning Caylee's body and knew she would need more than just the gas stolen from her parents' shed...she also knew that she could not be seen purchasing gas cans and gas so she asked others to buy it for her. I think that she did try to burn Caylee, and then did something else when she saw that it wouldn't work. JMO


That has been on my mind for a long time!!! I haven't had a chance (and probably won't get one) to read all of the interviews but ~ ~ ~ does anyone know if there was a period of time when NO ONE saw Casey, like for a day or so?
My thinking is - after she could find a proper disposal area to dump the baby - she drove until she found a secluded place, burned the little thing - then perhaps threw the residue in a swamp or creek somewhere.
Comments??
:rose: May you RIP darling Caylee

[kitty1182]

Does anyone remember the date that RM states that Casey and Caylee had spent the night, but, when he got up Caylee wasent there?? ..where would Casey have taken Caylee either early in the morning or middle of the night? strange...:confused:

Maybe she used something to make her sleep that night, woke up during the night and found her dead, then took her out of there..MOO

[Pruddennce]

Does anyone remember the date that RM states that Casey and Caylee had spent the night, but, when he got up Caylee wasent there?? ..where would Casey have taken Caylee either early in the morning or middle of the night? strange...:confused:


May 31st.

its 'assumed' she took her back to her parents. that information has not been confirmed yet....Lee A was asked about it in a general way...all the times Caylee was supposedly with a nanny and May31-June 1 morning, who had Caylee.....


best regards,
Pru

[num1barb]

I think that car would have one of those small temp. tires. Not sure if that space is big enough. IMO Also some tires like my spare are under the car.


I'm not sure. I don't know anyone with a sunfire, but if I did, I'd be looking in there trunk to check out that space.
I DO know that when you buy a car that normally comes with the small temp spare, you can opt for a full-sized spare tire in lieu of the small one.
I just don't know if the car has a tire well to put the spare in or if when you order the full-sized spare it just takes up a bunch of space in your trunk.

[WillowInFlight]

An OCSO Detective complaining about it "taking too long to go through the airport tapes" is not "investigating".

What part of none of the "sightings" have been Caylee can you not comprehend?. I doubt this person will even be called, and if she is whats she to say? It was a mistaken identity.

[kakax]

Does anyone remember the date that RM states that Casey and Caylee had spent the night, but, when he got up Caylee wasent there?? ..where would Casey have taken Caylee either early in the morning or middle of the night? strange...:confused:

He just states that it was sometime while they were dating. I don't think it was during this critical time period. JMO

[barskin&co.]

I was confused by ( Ryan I believe) saying something that WW made a statement about a dead body in the trunk. I need to read that again. I think it was WW's interview. grrrr head spinning.

William Waters only met her in July after she abandoned the car. He was her new "back-up boyfriend" while she was with Tony. He only met her acouple of times, and he was smitten. One of the text messages from her was "You're reall the sweetest guy I ever met (7/7/08 at 8:29 am)." Before anything happened, she was arrested. Lucky guy!

[ruth66]

IIRC, this was investigated by LE and found to be a case of mistaken identity.

MOO because I'm not looking for the link to the article.

Sounds like Casey has gotten access to the Orlando Sentinel message board. Only Casey could tell a story with so many details and lies...noticed that the majority of the posts we made between two people: Casey and an alter maybe...:shrug:

JMO

[Joan Weiss]

I'm not sure. I don't know anyone with a sunfire, but if I did, I'd be looking in there trunk to check out that space.
I DO know that when you buy a car that normally comes with the small temp spare, you can opt for a full-sized spare tire in lieu of the small one.
I just don't know if the car has a tire well to put the spare in or if when you order the full-sized spare it just takes up a bunch of space in your trunk.My sister has one. Duhhh...{smacks forehead} I'll check that out, and get back to you.

[num1barb]

According to Lee, George didn't retrieve the gas cans, Casey did. So now we have to figure out if George's story was a lie. imo

I never believed that story george told Greta. I would sooner believe what lee told LE in the middle of July than what george told Greta a few weeks later, after they'd had time to get the story straight.

MOO

[MyrDawn]

I am positive some places do. Without any doubt in my mind whatsoever. IMO

The place that picked up my son's pickup, which had been abandoned a few days after it was stolen, used a bed. They said if they had towed it instead of using the bed, it might ruin the transmission.

[Kathlb]

Does anyone remember the date that RM states that Casey and Caylee had spent the night, but, when he got up Caylee wasent there?? ..where would Casey have taken Caylee either early in the morning or middle of the night? strange...:confused:

It's in Ricardo Morales' interview on page 12 & 13. He couldn't remember the date but it was in June, before July 1.

[kakax]

May 31st.

its 'assumed' she took her back to her parents. that information has not been confirmed yet....Lee A was asked about it in a general way...all the times Caylee was supposedly with a nanny and May31-June 1 morning, who had Caylee.....


best regards,
Pru



I didn't see him refer to a date in his statement...I just looked at it. Page 12 and 13 of his statement. Is that info somewhere else in his statement? I admit I did a quick scan LOL!

[tashi]

Does anyone remember the date that RM states that Casey and Caylee had spent the night, but, when he got up Caylee wasent there?? ..where would Casey have taken Caylee either early in the morning or middle of the night? strange...:confused:


I went back and looked at the documents and RM doesn't give a date...he just remembers that this incident happened when he was still dating Casey so it must have been before June. He also states that Casey's mom called during the night and wanted her to bring Caylee home so she did.

[Joan Weiss]

I thought about that too, and I came up with a good explanation for keeping the car in the garage when they got it back.

- so Casey wouldn't steal it.And/or to clean it. I wonder if George did clean it before he went to work or after work?

[Pruddennce]

another important date:

casey calling J Grund on July 1st, arrives at 10:30am to use his shower. and leaves around noon. Then Jesse G states that she spent the nite with Amy and Ricardo on July 1st (to his knowledge). and that information has been confirmed by Amy that she was there the entire time Tony was away.

best regards,
Pru

[Armchairdet]

The place that picked up my son's pickup, which had been abandoned a few days after it was stolen, used a bed. They said if they had towed it instead of using the bed, it might ruin the transmission.

They seem to be a reputable establishment imo.

I believe according to the link page we are speaking of this place.

http://www.johnsonswrecker.com/

I believe they have both types of truck, as well as equipment for larger vehicle recovery. I think they would use a flatbed, but I do not know this to be a fact.

[trt]

I was speaking of the way companies tow that are interested in towing in the way they are legally suppose to. At least as the law pertains to the city in question.

I understand...I'm just not sure I understand the relevance(earlier you spoke of how the ttd would have had to go to the back of the car and yet indicated no smell)? Does his statement really hold much weight considering the numerous accounts of those that DID smell the decomp smell in the car(including the killer herself?) JMO

[Mairi II]

The place that picked up my son's pickup, which had been abandoned a few days after it was stolen, used a bed. They said if they had towed it instead of using the bed, it might ruin the transmission.

I think they're using flatbeds more and more. It depends on whether a car's front wheel drive or rear wheel drive if you have to pick them up from the front or the rear - and if the car's in a space the opposite of what's required, they'll use a flatbed.

[kakax]

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Wednesday a judge denied the Homeowner's Associations request for an injunction to move protesters down the street.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17538105/detail.html

[crymeariver2006]

I think the evidence speaks for itself. She didnt pack up even a small amount of caylee's items from the anthony's home. no shoes, no pj's, no clothing and it appears that there werent any of caylee's belongings at the apartment.

significant: baby doll in the car. her favorite.

best regards,
Pru

The left behind baby doll is what will convict her IMO. The jury's not gonna care about who she slept with, danced with, smoked pot with....

JMO

[Pruddennce]

I didn't see him refer to a date in his statement...I just looked at it. Page 12 and 13 of his statement. Is that info somewhere else in his statement? I admit I did a quick scan LOL!

LE mentions it to Lee Anthony. LE states that Ricardo told him that Casey spent the nite on May 31st with Caylee, however, in the morning, Caylee was not there. Ricardo stated that Casey told him she took her home and came back.

LE is relaying this information to Lee, attempting to elicit from him whether or not he knew if Cindy had caylee on the morning of June 1st.

best regards,
Pru

[steffaroob4]

Did you like the phone calls Casey was getting from CA, having her come home to be with your child at night, that Tony said happened? Isn't it odd that those "you have to come home to watch Caylee" calls stopped the next week.

[ruth66]

i doubt it. really.......the LE looked into it and their was no credible evidence that was caylee.

Like you love to say.......just another person waiting their 15 minutes

If this person exists, I wonder if people know about IP addresses???:shrug:

[Armchairdet]

I understand...I'm just not sure I understand the relevance(earlier you spoke of how the ttd would have had to go to the back of the car and yet indicated no smell)? Does his statement really hold much weight considering the numerous accounts of those that DID smell the decomp smell in the car(including the killer herself?) JMO

I was simply saying he would probably have been near the back of the car at some point. He said he did not smell anything. So, either due to the cold he had he did not smell the faint odor of the closed trunk, or the smell became worse, and once opened weeks later was unmistakable. IMO

I simply felt it was ok to post something I thought to be true in an industry that I am very familiar with. If that bothered some, I don't know what to say.

[Joan Weiss]

The place that picked up my son's pickup, which had been abandoned a few days after it was stolen, used a bed. They said if they had towed it instead of using the bed, it might ruin the transmission.Does it have four-wheel drive?

[beckyj]

I thought about that too, and I came up with a good explanation for keeping the car in the garage when they got it back.

- so Casey wouldn't steal it.


Or..... so no one would see what they were doing to it? It doesn't make a bit of sense to put that stench in the garage, Casey or no Casey. JMO

[num1barb]

My sister has one. Duhhh...{smacks forehead} I'll check that out, and get back to you.

OMG, that would be awesome.Thank you for doing this for all of us who have speculated about that trunk!!!
I'm not sure what year the anthony sunfire is, but I'm sure that info is floating around, sorry I'd find it for you but I'm at work and can't look for links.

[anyonesguess]

An OCSO Detective complaining about it "taking too long to go through the airport tapes" is not "investigating".


According to HER statement. Where is the statement from OSCO detective that he said that?

The woman might have truly believed it was Casey. I believe she believed that, but it WAS NOT her and proved by LE from the manifest on the flight. What part of that do you not understand?

[babblefishie]

William Waters only met her in July after she abandoned the car. He was her new "back-up boyfriend" while she was with Tony. He only met her acouple of times, and he was smitten. One of the text messages from her was "You're reall the sweetest guy I ever met (7/7/08 at 8:29 am)." Before anything happened, she was arrested. Lucky guy!

Yeah WW really dodged a bullet eh? He was ready to fall hook, line and sinker! Just her type!

[kakax]

LE mentions it to Lee Anthony. LE states that Ricardo told him that Casey spent the nite on May 31st with Caylee, however, in the morning, Caylee was not there. Ricardo stated that Casey told him she took her home and came back.

LE is relaying this information to Lee, attempting to elicit from him whether or not he knew if Cindy had caylee on the morning of June 1st.

best regards,
Pru

You're so good!! Great job connecting the two!!

[Joan Weiss]

The left behind baby doll is what will convict her IMO. The jury's not gonna care about who she slept with, danced with, smoked pot with....

JMORight. As Nancy said, those are not felonies. Um, er, is pot smoking a felony? I think it's a misdemeanor. imo

[anyonesguess]

I was simply saying he would probably have been near the back of the car at some point. He said he did not smell anything. So, either due to the cold he had he did not smell the faint odor of the closed trunk, or the smell became worse, and once opened weeks later was unmistakable. IMO

I simply felt it was ok to post something I thought to be true in an industry that I am very familiar with. If that bothered some, I don't know what to say.

Hi Armchair. Wasn't the car backed in to the space, and wouldn't it be possible he never even went near the back of the car?

[crymeariver2006]

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Wednesday a judge denied the Homeowner's Associations request for an injunction to move protesters down the street.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17538105/detail.html


It'll be interesting to see what his/her reasons were. Not that many of us thought this would fly.....

IIRC, there was an article yesterday where the County Commissioner (I guess the one that's wanting the police protection) said if the injunction failed this time, she wanted a curfew imposed on the whole neighborhood.

That'll be laughed out of court IMO.

[kakax]

The left behind baby doll is what will convict her IMO. The jury's not gonna care about who she slept with, danced with, smoked pot with....

JMO



:( It is very tellling, IMO.

[hamebone]

Does the fact that the car smell was so strong...have anything to do with the amount of time Caylee was in the trunk?


I always thought Caylee was dead...but after reading the docs last night...it really sank in... she is gone.

I couldnt sleep last night...I kept wondering...what went wrong....why...guess we may never know...:rose:

[num1barb]

Exactly what she has stated on that website, but apparently you have blind trust for LE, even though they refused to go through the tapes, even though the FBI has admitted not receiving the sketch, etc.

The Defense will most definitely have this woman on the stand.


LE REFUSED to go through the tapes??? WOW, I must have missed that little tidbit. Was that in the link you provided? TIA

[Fallen Angel]

Exactly what she has stated on that website, but apparently you have blind trust for LE, even though they refused to go through the tapes, even though the FBI has admitted not receiving the sketch, etc.

The Defense will most definitely have this woman on the stand.

How can they get a sketch of Zani when Casey won't talk to them and she LIES :shrug:

THE STAND? what during the fraud case? or do you think their will be a MURDER trial?

[trich]

What part of none of the "sightings" have been Caylee can you not comprehend?. I doubt this person will even be called, and if she is whats she to say? It was a mistaken identity.


Every "sighting" has been checked and rechecked .
I even saw on the news that birth certificates have been checked and
all id's have been verified.
One child was even proven to be 5 years old...a bit older then Caylee.
I don't know why it is so easy to believe complete stangers whether they are sincere in their beliefs rather then the FBI and the rest of law enforcement.

[kOOkie1]

I went back and looked at the documents and RM doesn't give a date...he just remembers that this incident happened when he was still dating Casey so it must have been before June. He also states that Casey's mom called during the night and wanted her to bring Caylee home so she did.
..ahhh ok because he didnt explain if he heard the phone ring or if Casey told him her Mom called...TY (imo)

[summer4meplz]

Exactly what she has stated on that website, but apparently you have blind trust for LE, even though they refused to go through the tapes, even though the FBI has admitted not receiving the sketch, etc.

The Defense will most definitely have this woman on the stand.

You're probably right....because they will have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with anyone that can help in casey's defense....mo

[Armchairdet]

Hi Armchair. Wasn' the car backed in to the space, and wouldn't it be possible he never even went near the back of the car?

In my experience they are able to hook up a car and pull their truck forward. Then they can get back out and finish the job. I am positive this is done sometimes. IMO

[Joan Weiss]

OMG, that would be awesome.Thank you for doing this for all of us who have speculated about that trunk!!!
I'm not sure what year the anthony sunfire is, but I'm sure that info is floating around, sorry I'd find it for you but I'm at work and can't look for links.Please list questions for me to check out. I'll measure the trunk, look at the spare tire, etc. Anything else? I think hers is a '99 or 2000. Unfortunately, she lives out of town, so I may not get there for a couple of days.

[MyrDawn]

Does it have four-wheel drive?

Nope. It's his "work" truck...an older model Chevy. But, that's about all I know about it...other than the color. :D

I do know at least one towing place here that doesn't even own a flatbed, so they always hook it up and tow it that way.

I can't swear as a fact, but I think some places here are "gentler" with vehicles that were stolen than they are with vehicles that are towed because the driver was arrested for DUI. (They knew my son's truck had been stolen).

[Pruddennce]

You're so good!! Great job connecting the two!!

thank you lol!

well, its interesting because LE is trying to establish how many times did something like this happen? Caylee was with her, then 'disappeared'....if mom Cindy didnt have her, well, who did???

that was his major concern speaking with LA.


EE: To me, when he said that (Ricardo), that was my starting point.

LA: that makes sense.

EE: Because I can go back as far as I want, but thats the first time I know of hey, someone saw this child...

LA: uh huh...

EE: no more child...where was it taken to stay overnite?

LA: perfect, I completely understand


best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

..ahhh ok because he didnt explain if he heard the phone ring or if Casey told him her Mom called...TY (imo)I recall that he didn't mention a phone call. He said he woke in the AM and Caylee wasn't there. imo

[trt]

I was simply saying he would probably have been near the back of the car at some point. He said he did not smell anything. So, either due to the cold he had he did not smell the faint odor of the closed trunk, or the smell became worse, and once opened weeks later was unmistakable. IMO

I simply felt it was ok to post something I thought to be true in an industry that I am very familiar with. If that bothered some, I don't know what to say.

Its definitely ok as no one (but CW) can tell you what to and what not to post...I'm not bothered by it, but as many have pointed out...what you say should occur(as an expert in the field) and what does occur oftentimes are two different things. I've seen it both ways (flatbed or no, lights or no)...but really my main point is that all of this is moot considering Casey mentioned the smell to Amy (and IMO, abandoned the car because of it, which leads me to believe that it was not faint, even at the time of dropping it off) and everyone else that had contact with the car since that time (other than this TTD) mentioned the smell and their opinion of what it was (decomposition smell). JMO

[hamebone]

The left behind baby doll is what will convict her IMO. The jury's not gonna care about who she slept with, danced with, smoked pot with....

JMO

The baby doll left behind is very telling...It broke my heart. My Gbaby has a stuffed rabbit he takes every where...sleeps with it and you have to sneak it away from him to wash it... it gets dirty because he carries it around so much.

[num1barb]

Or..... so no one would see what they were doing to it? It doesn't make a bit of sense to put that stench in the garage, Casey or no Casey. JMO

ITA with you. I think it was in the garage so the neighbors couldn't see and smell what was coming out of it.

[Fallen Angel]

You're probably right....because they will have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with anyone that can help in casey's defense....mo

LOL........ITA :beer:

[day2day]

I recall that he didn't mention a phone call. He said he woke in the AM and Caylee wasn't there. imo

I wanna know where she took Caylee to. THAT has bothered me all morning. I also wonder why super-attorney Baez didn't request George and Cindy's interviews? ...?!

I wanna hear the gas can story again ;)

JMO

Mornin everyone:seeya:

[Rayosunshine]

EXACTLY...........Cindy had the nerve to lie and say someone must have put a body in the trunk while it was the impound BUT guess what noone had a KEY and the lock had not been broke.

Wonder where Casey's key to the car were. Can't remember if they were found with her belongings.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Joan Weiss]

Nope. It's his "work" truck...an older model Chevy. But, that's about all I know about it...other than the color. :D

I do know at least one towing place here that doesn't even own a flatbed, so they always hook it up and tow it that way.

I can't swear as a fact, but I think some places here are "gentler" with vehicles that were stolen than they are with vehicles that are towed because the driver was arrested for DUI. (They knew my son's truck had been stolen).Thanks. I've had my car towed both ways. I think it also depends on how far they're towing, but maybe not. :shrug:

My huge van was placed on a flat-bed.

[Armchairdet]

Its definitely ok as no one (but CW) can tell you what to and what not to post...I'm not bothered by it, but as many have pointed out...what you say should occur(as an expert in the field) and what does occur oftentimes are two different things. I've seen it both ways (flatbed or no, lights or no)...but really my main point is that all of this is moot considering Casey mentioned the smell to Amy (and IMO, abandoned the car because of it, which leads me to believe that it was not faint, even at the time of dropping it off) and everyone else that had contact with the car since that time (other than this TTD) mentioned the smell and their opinion of what it was (decomposition smell). JMO

I never said I was an expert in the field. I followed every post (unless I goofed) with IMO.

[anyonesguess]

In my experience they are able to hook up a car and pull their truck forward. Then they can get back out and finish the job. I am positive this is done sometimes. IMO

You are probably right. I have no idea how they do their towing whatsoever. LOL :)

I thought they just jacked up the FRONT of the car to the tow and away they went LOL

[beckyj]

Did you like the phone calls Casey was getting from CA, having her come home to be with your child at night, that Tony said happened? Isn't it odd that those "you have to come home to watch Caylee" calls stopped the next week.

Good point. CA certainly had her on a string for a while and then suddenly it stopped!

[trich]

You're probably right....because they will have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with anyone that can help in casey's defense....mo

Also how does a child get on an airplane without any id.
The airline said only 2 children on the flight and they were id'd.
I don't have blind trust for the LE but I darn sure trust them more then some person who is trying to get their 15 minutes of fame and without any proof whatso ever.

Anyone who at this point actually really believes that Caylee is alive has to be in serious denial....
Which by the way the Anthony family does not really have IMO
They are just haming it up for the media and trying now to cover for Casey.
there is no denial....they have known from the day they picked up the car and found Casey.

[EGirl]

Exactly what she has stated on that website, but apparently you have blind trust for LE, even though they refused to go through the tapes, even though the FBI has admitted not receiving the sketch, etc.

The Defense will most definitely have this woman on the stand.


So now anonymous posters on a blog are credible sources, but LE isn't?

:lol:

What possible reason would LE have to NOT want to solve this case? What is your theory on that?

[hamebone]

OMG, that would be awesome.Thank you for doing this for all of us who have speculated about that trunk!!!
I'm not sure what year the anthony sunfire is, but I'm sure that info is floating around, sorry I'd find it for you but I'm at work and can't look for links.


here is a site on these cars and you can google it and find out


http://www.pontiac.com/showHome.do?seo=goo_|_2008_Pontiac_Retention_|_IMG _Pontiac_Misc_|_Pontiac_Car_Pontiac_-_Brand_|_pontiac

[beckyj]

Does the fact that the car smell was so strong...have anything to do with the amount of time Caylee was in the trunk?


I always thought Caylee was dead...but after reading the docs last night...it really sank in... she is gone.

I couldnt sleep last night...I kept wondering...what went wrong....why...guess we may never know...:rose:

I feel the same way. I was almost hoping the new docs would make me wonder if she was actually gone or not, but now I THINK I know! JMO

[Joan Weiss]

I wanna know where she took Caylee to. THAT has bothered me all morning. I also wonder why super-attorney Baez didn't request George and Cindy's interviews? ...?!

I wanna hear the gas can story again ;)

JMO

Mornin everyone:seeya:The gas can stories give me a headache. hammer

Would she go that far, to prove to Amy that she had a gas gauge problem? Was she getting her ducks in a row for eventual discovery?

[Armchairdet]

You are probably right. I have no idea how they do their towing whatsoever. LOL :)

I thought they just jacked up the FRONT of the car to the tow and away they went LOL

Only in a repo situation IMO. Or perhaps another unsafe situation. Being chased by bears, lightning storm, that sort of thing.

(Ok that last sentence was just a little lightheartedness.)

[trt]

You're probably right....because they will have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with anyone that can help in casey's defense....mo


Baez would show himself to be quite the incompetent lawyer to put a witness on the stand whose findings have already been debunked AND documented by LE and FBI. I hope he does though, just so the prosecution can prove it false for the jury and show that the defense is merely grasping at straws to try and explain what happened to Caylee. JMO

[Fallen Angel]

So now anonymous posters on a blog are credible sources, but LE isn't?

:lol:

What possible reason would LE have to NOT want to solve this case? What is your theory on that?

Some people around here want to blame the LE for everything. It's amazing.

[Joan Weiss]

So now anonymous posters on a blog are credible sources, but LE isn't?

:lol:

What possible reason would LE have to NOT want to solve this case? What is your theory on that?Good point. :D

[dixielover]

LE REFUSED to go through the tapes??? WOW, I must have missed that little tidbit. Was that in the link you provided? TIA

Maybe LE didn't- isn't the FBI the one who deals with kidnapping especially if someone if taking a child across state lines. imo

[Fallen Angel]

Yes it was.

As well as the fact that the FBI hadn't even received the sketch that this woman provided.

She has kept herself from the media, because she isn't in it for her 5 minutes of fame.

Like I said, it's a very interesting read.

LOL it's just some poster posting stuff. Heck i can post i'm 5 ft 9 when in reality i'm only 4"11 with heels on lol

[kakax]

Yes it was.

As well as the fact that the FBI hadn't even received the sketch that this woman provided.

She has kept herself from the media, because she isn't in it for her 5 minutes of fame.

Like I said, it's a very interesting read.



The one thing I agree with you on.....this will be the defense tactic to try to show that Caylee was kidnapped.
My hope is the evidence found in that trunk will trump that. And further, I hope that her body is found so there will be no need for false sightings to be a part of this trial.

[day2day]

The gas can stories give me a headache. hammer

Would she go that far, to prove to Amy that she had a gas gauge problem? Was she getting her ducks in a row for eventual discovery?

This whole mess gave me the headache of a lifetime yesterday. IMO George saw more than gas cans that day. And yep-i think Casey was linin up alll of her ducks..KNOWING one day she would need them!

jmo!

[Broderick]

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Wednesday a judge denied the Homeowner's Associations request for an injunction to move protesters down the street.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17538105/detail.html

I don't see how he could have ruled any other way. I was watching that issue pretty close.

[tashi]

I wanna know where she took Caylee to. THAT has bothered me all morning. I also wonder why super-attorney Baez didn't request George and Cindy's interviews? ...?!

I wanna hear the gas can story again ;)

JMO

Mornin everyone:seeya:



I think Casey took Caylee back to her parent's house...at least that's what she told RM. Apparently he slept through the night and didn't hear them leave. It kind of makes sense that Cindy called Casey and demanded she bring Caylee home...it sounds like something Cindy would do

Which gas can story do you want to hear again? The fairy tale that George told Greta or the f bomb story Lee gave to LE?

[EGirl]

Yes it was.

As well as the fact that the FBI hadn't even received the sketch that this woman provided.

She has kept herself from the media, because she isn't in it for her 5 minutes of fame.

Like I said, it's a very interesting read.


I'm sorry, but I don't see a link to any 'fact' on that blog. :shrug:

[GIGI4256]

yes it was.

As well as the fact that the fbi hadn't even received the sketch that this woman provided.

She has kept herself from the media, because she isn't in it for her 5 minutes of fame.

Like i said, it's a very interesting read.

omg! Lol!

[Armchairdet]

Some people around here want to blame the LE for everything. It's amazing.

I believe LE is doing everything possible to solve this case. They just are not sharing everything they know with us. (The public)

IMO

[trt]

I never said I was an expert in the field. I followed every post (unless I goofed) with IMO.



You said that you are familiar with this industry....I think you may be reading sarcasm into my post that wasn't intended? I trust you that you have extensive knowledge in this area and that's why I put what I did...I wasn't trying to be flip and sorry if it came across that way. Like I said, my main point is that I think the whole Tow Truck Driver not smelling the smell is moot for the reasons I've stated before. Sorry for any confusion.

[desmom]

Does anyone remember the date that RM states that Casey and Caylee had spent the night, but, when he got up Caylee wasent there?? ..where would Casey have taken Caylee either early in the morning or middle of the night? strange...:confused:

Pages 12 - 13 - He can't recall the date, but remembers it was while they were dating. LE asks "Back in April, before that" and RM says he cannot remember.


Someone asked the date Casey took a shower at Jesse's. In his handwritten statement dated 7/16/08 1813 hours, he says between the week of 6/22 - 7/06 Casey called at 1000 and asked to use his shower - pages 40 - 42.

In the new documents, Jess was able to pinpoint calls, times and dates after reviewing cell phone records. Jess said she called him 07/01 at 1015 and asked to use his shower. She called him at 1039 when she arrived at his door. She looks normal, clean. She stayed at his place until about 1200 when his roommate arrived home. It was the first time she met JM's roommate. Pages 285-286

jmo

[day2day]

Some people around here want to blame the LE for everything. It's amazing.

I have never seen so much hate for LE. I will never figure it out. It drives me crazy. LOOK what they have to work with. I think they have conducted themselves well. If i would have interviewed Casey-it might have been totally different! hammer

jmo

[Fallen Angel]

I'm sorry, but I don't see a link to any 'fact' on that blog. :shrug:

OMG you want a LINK with FACTS?? you're barking up the wrong tree then lol

[deep*fear]

trunk of a sunfire
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~beno/journal/2004/pictures/20040702sooni1web.jpg

http://media.automotive.com/evox/stilllib/pontiac/sunfire/2002/2co/49.jpg

I've never had a car with a trunk that wouldn't fit a normal 3-5 year old. (even small sportscars)

[Rayosunshine]

I agree. I don't get the gas can purposes at all. :confused:


That is, unless Casey's smarter than we think she is. Don't think so though.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

ps maybe bought gas with credit card and sold for cash at reduced price.

[happy2bme]

So now anonymous posters on a blog are credible sources, but LE isn't?

:lol:

What possible reason would LE have to NOT want to solve this case? What is your theory on that?


Crazy isn't? Can't trust LE but you can trust an anonymous poster on a blog.

[Joan Weiss]

here is a site on these cars and you can google it and find out


http://www.pontiac.com/showHome.do?seo=goo_|_2008_Pontiac_Retention_|_IMG _Pontiac_Misc_|_Pontiac_Car_Pontiac_-_Brand_|_pontiacThanks. What year is Casey's car?

[EGirl]

The gas can stories give me a headache. hammer

Would she go that far, to prove to Amy that she had a gas gauge problem? Was she getting her ducks in a row for eventual discovery?


Goodness, the whole gas can / gas gauge thing makes me wanna pull my hair out.

Geez, this girl had more stories than Aesop. hammer

[ruth66]

Exactly what she has stated on that website, but apparently you have blind trust for LE, even though they refused to go through the tapes, even though the FBI has admitted not receiving the sketch, etc.

The Defense will most definitely have this woman on the stand.

I hope they put her on the stand and she goes on and on about the links to another murder and then about the FBI and LE and the puppy and and and.....this story on the other website will only prove that she is either good at weaving stories or may be a little paranoid....that's what is sounds like to me...

[Fallen Angel]

I have never seen so much hate for LE. I will never figure it out. It drives me crazy. LOOK what they have to work with. I think they have conducted themselves well. If i would have interviewed Casey-it might have been totally different! hammer

jmo

The LE were drug around by Casey and she lied and lied and lied again BUT the bad people in this case is the LE.......i just don't get some posters on this thread.

[kOOkie1]

[I]..I mean just sooo many questions!!! lol ..Im still wondering why JG resigned and who is the person that in one of the interviews they were questioning about some guy that lived out past Fusion area...? near a Lake??/I]

[num1barb]

Maybe LE didn't- isn't the FBI the one who deals with kidnapping especially if someone if taking a child across state lines. imo

Sorry, I should have clarified. I was using LE to reference ALL LE, not just OCSO.

[Pruddennce]

The gas can stories give me a headache. hammer

Would she go that far, to prove to Amy that she had a gas gauge problem? Was she getting her ducks in a row for eventual discovery?

well, she actually went and purchased a gas can at target on the 30th of June, Amy recalls.

and she was driving Tony's jeep while he was away, specifically on the date they both went to target.

Amy also had text msgs from Casey about the dead animal plastered on her car frame, June 27th, and that 'she got rid of it' and casey never mentioned the smell again.

best regards,
Pru

[trich]

Some people around here want to blame the LE for everything. It's amazing.



Yeah makes you wonder doesn't it?:shrug:

[Regina.Lampert]

Does anyone remember the date that RM states that Casey and Caylee had spent the night, but, when he got up Caylee wasent there?? ..where would Casey have taken Caylee either early in the morning or middle of the night? strange...:confused:

On page 9 of Amy's statement, at line #8, it appears that Corporal Edwards states that the date is 5/30.

[bballgrl]

Crazy isn't? Can't trust LE but you can trust an anonymous poster on a blog.


Which reminds me.....I have some land by the water down in Florida to sell.... Anyone Interested?

LOL :cool:

[marshmallow]

I went back and looked at the documents and RM doesn't give a date...he just remembers that this incident happened when he was still dating Casey so it must have been before June. He also states that Casey's mom called during the night and wanted her to bring Caylee home so she did.

I can see Cindy doing that. And I can see Casey complying.

[trich]

well, she actually went and purchased a gas can at target on the 30th of June, Amy recalls.

and she was driving Tony's jeep while he was away, specifically on the date they both went to target.

Amy also had text msgs from Casey about the dead animal plastered on her car frame, June 27th, and that 'she got rid of it' and casey never mentioned the smell again.

best regards,
Pru


I honestly think Casey had intentions of burning the car but of course it
was hauled off to the impound yard.

[rosejustrose]

The left behind baby doll is what will convict her IMO. The jury's not gonna care about who she slept with, danced with, smoked pot with....

JMO


ITA, that baby doll is going to be the lynch pin that hangs that witch. JMO.

[hamebone]

[I]..I mean just sooo many questions!!! lol ..Im still wondering why JG resigned and who is the person that in one of the interviews they were questioning about some guy that lived out past Fusion area...? near a Lake??/I]

I think the name was Steve Jones...a guy Casey dated in the pst...he lives in the area LE was asking about.

I think that was in RM's interview.

[Armchairdet]

You said that you are familiar with this industry....I think you may be reading sarcasm into my post that wasn't intended? I trust you that you have extensive knowledge in this area and that's why I put what I did...I wasn't trying to be flip and sorry if it came across that way. Like I said, my main point is that I think the whole Tow Truck Driver not smelling the smell is moot for the reasons I've stated before. Sorry for any confusion.

I just want to confirm that me saying I am familiar with something is in no way saying I am an expert. I don't even know that I was saying I have extensive knowledge, just an industry I am familiar with. I didn't think you were trying to be sarcastic, but if people were browsing the thread I wanted to confirm that I had not made such a claim. Because sometimes things are misunderstood. Again, I believe there was an odor at the time. I just stated something, and it kind of ran away. My intention was not to divert attention from any important facts.

[DiamondL'il]

Lee found it.

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought LEE said he found the key to Amys car? And that he discussed that w/Amy?

[beckyj]

This question has probably already been asked and answered, but... if Caylee's little body was in the trunk of the car for a few days or so and started to decompose (hurts me to type that) would the smell get worse or better or stay the same once the body was removed?

[trt]

I honestly think Casey had intentions of burning the car but of course it
was hauled off to the impound yard.



I hadn't thought of this before, but you may be on to something. JMO

[Rayosunshine]

The left behind baby doll is what will convict her IMO. The jury's not gonna care about who she slept with, danced with, smoked pot with....

JMO

Wonder if LE checked the doll for any signs of being near/touching a decomposing body.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[beckyj]

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought LEE said he found the key to Amys car? And that he discussed that w/Amy?

I think you're right. It was just a single key to a car not on a key chain.

[num1barb]

trunk of a sunfire
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~beno/journal/2004/pictures/20040702sooni1web.jpg

http://media.automotive.com/evox/stilllib/pontiac/sunfire/2002/2co/49.jpg

I've never had a car with a trunk that wouldn't fit a normal 3-5 year old. (even small sportscars)

YES, thank you so much, I can see from the second link that there is in fact a tire well with a carpet cover over it for spare tire storage.
So now I'm wondering if Caylee's body was still in the trunk when the anythonys picked up the car.

[kOOkie1]

On page 9 of Amy's statement, at line #8, it appears that Corporal Edwards states that the date is 5/30.

..ok Thanks Regina...hmm wonder why Cindy stopped doing that.. I can see her demanding Casey home with Caylee. I guess Casey stopped answering her calls after the 15th maybe..(jmo)

[frances1]

And Lee was gone a couple hours in picking up that laptop.

Think Casey told him to try and get rid of some stuff on there?


Yes, I do.

[kakax]

Yes it was.

As well as the fact that the FBI hadn't even received the sketch that this woman provided.

She has kept herself from the media, because she isn't in it for her 5 minutes of fame.

Like I said, it's a very interesting read.

My thinking is the media probably realizes this story holds no merit...so why would they interview her?

[Joan Weiss]

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Wednesday a judge denied the Homeowner's Associations request for an injunction to move protesters down the street.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17538105/detail.htmlThank you. I didn't think that would fly. HOA's don't overrule the constitution, imo.

Hoping for more details on why it was denied. Interesting. imo

[beckyj]

Wonder if LE checked the doll for any signs of being near/touching a decomposing body.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


I was thinking about the doll scenario. I noticed that everyone says she wouldn't go anywhere without the doll, but I see no doll in any of the pictures. Not sure what that means. I know my daughter has a blanket she wants everywhere she goes when she thinks about it, but other times she doesn't need it.

I hope however the doll was checked by LE.

[dtviewer]

I don't see her doing anything for the defense, It was investigated, it was proven NOT to be Caylee.

Exactly. This will bode well for the prosecution because it will show LE followed up leads.

Ridiculous to think this would do anything for the defense.

[kakax]

Wonder if LE checked the doll for any signs of being near/touching a decomposing body.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Did LE even take the doll with them? I know we aren't privy to everything they took...

[frances1]

:eek: From all I've heard about the smell of decomp, you'd smell it with even the worst cold.......:confused:


I've wondered if the tow truck guy had a case of "not wanting to get involved".

[beckyj]

Yes, I do.


Me too. I think that because that is another one of those "Anthony things" where too much information is given that wasn't solicited. He almost went out of his way to give that information. I didn't get the impression he was trying to nail Tony though, just kind of covering some thing. IMO

[Joan Weiss]

This question has probably already been asked and answered, but... if Caylee's little body was in the trunk of the car for a few days or so and started to decompose (hurts me to type that) would the smell get worse or better or stay the same once the body was removed?Imo, if there was any body fluids in the car, they would continue to decompose. I know that if I spill something in my kitchen wastebasket, I have to wash it, or it continues to smell.

[jill collins]

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Wednesday a judge denied the Homeowner's Associations request for an injunction to move protesters down the street.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17538105/detail.html

Thanks for the link kakax. You are the new linguini! Thank the Lord these judges understand the Constitution as opposed to the whining Fascists on the Tee-VEE and on the various message boards.

From the article I see Crazy Anthony has a dinner date with HO-SEEEEEEEEEE. ;)

[num1barb]

I was thinking about the doll scenario. I noticed that everyone says she wouldn't go anywhere without the doll, but I see no doll in any of the pictures. Not sure what that means. I know my daughter has a blanket she wants everywhere she goes when she thinks about it, but other times she doesn't need it.

I hope however the doll was checked by LE.


I beleive the doll is the one Caylee is holding in the pic of her in the eddie bauer carseat where Caylee is wearing a baseball cap and has an odd look on her face.

MOO

[Pruddennce]

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought LEE said he found the key to Amys car? And that he discussed that w/Amy?

Lee gave a statement that he found Amy's car key with Casey's belongings and spoke with Amy, yes.

best regards,
Pru

[hamebone]

I've wondered if the tow truck guy had a case of "not wanting to get involved".

Thats what I was thinking also.

[kitty1182]

:( It is very tellling, IMO.

It sure is..I don't even forget my dog's toy when she goes to the vets to be boarded..:(

[SandyO]

According to Lee, George didn't retrieve the gas cans, Casey did. So now we have to figure out if George's story was a lie. imo

Yes, I read that also, and I wondered why George would have spun such a story if Lee's account is correct.

[rosejustrose]

Yes, I do.


I think that's why Lee had the pad and pen. He was making notes on things to do and people to contact to cover for Casey. She probably was giving him all her passwords, log in ids, etc. for the various sites she visited and such. JMO.

[day2day]

The LE were drug around by Casey and she lied and lied and lied again BUT the bad people in this case is the LE.......i just don't get some posters on this thread.

LE kept calm and treated her with NOTHING but respect-while she tells them one lie after the next.
The Anthony's hate them-but if they pick up the phone and dial 911-they better get off their arses and help them=PRONTO!

jmo

[anyonesguess]

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought LEE said he found the key to Amys car? And that he discussed that w/Amy?


Yes when Amy asked about the key, Lee said I am one step ahead of you, etc. That was AMY'S car key.

[Joan Weiss]

I've wondered if the tow truck guy had a case of "not wanting to get involved".Most of the tow truck guys I've dealt with couldn't care less...they're not real sensitive. imo

[DiamondL'il]

Lee gave a statement that he found Amy's car key with Casey's belongings and spoke with Amy, yes.

best regards,
Pru

I feel so PROUD of ME, for remembering something CORRECTLY w/o having to doublecheck! :D

[beckyj]

I beleive the doll is the one Caylee is holding in the pic of her in the eddie bauer carseat where Caylee is wearing a baseball cap and has an odd look on her face.

MOO


Oh, now I'm crying. I forgot about that picture! So cute!

[babblefishie]

The theory that LE is focusing only on Casey and is therefore not following up other leads is, in the Caylee Anthony case, about as absurd as it gets. Anyone batting that theory around needs to learn the difference between plain as the nose on your face, and the concept of reasonable doubt.

If this is some kind of class project for a few posters here who hope to grow up to be defense attorneys one day, well ... I see some failing grades, kiddos. :rolleyes:

That's so funny saywhat as I've wondered the same thing -- devil's advocate kind of posts being part of class project! I love that it's referred to as a good read. Well, Harry Potter books are good reads, but you wouldn't want JK Rowling showing up at your trial! ;)