WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 24th

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ALL RISE - if you can, lots of choices for streaming video. I'm on thelegaledge right now. Good video, good audio.

[bearwds]

Cook/Chef, looking for work. Not sure if it was given, but sometimes a DJ, maybe just in the past.
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Thanx details... Any idea where he is from ??

I liked his description of how McClinton (sp) held the gun...sideways like a TV gangster.

Mac also said something like "You're lucky your standing instead of lying" ....indicating that he would have shot him.

These clowns are really lucky that this improperly held gun didn't discharge.


bearwds

[AnnInOhio]

****snip, snip, snip ***The relevance Ann is that Yale wants to show that Alexander is scum and a liar as well.... and therefor the jury should not believe what he says.

That's the only reason I can envision the jury needing to hear anything about it. However, what a person does for a living can fluctuate over a lifetime. You could be an attorney who doesn't actively practice law (think OJ's buddy Bob Kardashian from the first OJ trial) who needs to remain in good standing just in case you ever choose to practice a licensed trade full-time again some day.

[cherylt]

I think, in general, he is a good witness. He answers the questions asked, doesn't really elaborate unless asked. And he "looks" clean. Does anyone know if he has a record?

I think Grasso will do the cross and hopefully it will not be as heated...

[bearwds]

Cashmore claims he met Stewart when both worked at a mortgage company. He works at a variety of jobs off and on ... bartender, disc jockey. Had no job at the time; in fact, had asked Stewart for help in finding work. Stewart had arranged a job interview for him afternoon of 9/13/07. He was going to bartend and cook some food for the reception next day.
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Concise...thanx


bearwds

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Thanx details... Any idea where he is from ??

I liked his description of how McClinton (sp) held the gun...sideways like a TV gangster.

Mac also said something like "You're lucky your standing instead of lying" ....indicating that he would have shot him.

These clowns are really lucky that this improperly held gun didn't discharge.


bearwdsNo idea where he's from. He seems to be giving a good description of the scene. McClinton - definitely going for an intimidating, right from TV look, by the description there. And his recollection of what was said is pretty good - paraphrases, but accurate to the intent. McClinton said something just like that - suggesting that the victims could easily be killed.

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I think, in general, he is a good witness. He answers the questions asked, doesn't really elaborate unless asked. And he "looks" clean. Does anyone know if he has a record?

I think Grasso will do the cross and hopefully it will not be as heated...Someone else checked. He's got one theft on his record - embezzlement from an employer. Given his job, he has to have grabbed something from the cash register or similar. Otherwise clean. He's a cook/DJ, sounds like more cook than DJ.

[bearwds]

That's the only reason I can envision the jury needing to hear anything about it. However, what a person does for a living can fluctuate over a lifetime. You could be an attorney who doesn't actively practice law (think OJ's buddy Bob Kardashian from the first OJ trial) who needs to remain in good standing just in case you ever choose to practice a licensed trade full-time again some day.
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Hey Ann... Since you bring up Kardashian, I think he swims with the fishes. Never forget incredulous expression @ 1st trial.


bearwds

[llylabrat]

i got a feeling cashmore is going to be very argumentative

[legalmania]

He's not doing anything illegal. He and his wife run an escort service is the impression I get - or maybe a brothel at a location where that is legal (prostitution is legal in much of Nevada). He's not admitting to any crime when he talks about that, nor would it kill his realty license, since it's not a crime.

Prostitution is legal in only 11 cities in Nevada. So in most of Nevada prostitution is illegal.

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He's being good so far - trying to live up to the requirement to give simple answers.

[Details]

Prostitution is legal in only 11 cities in Nevada. So in most of Nevada prostitution is illegal.Nit-pick :D - it's legal plenty of places there. What percentage of the acreage, what percentage of the population lives where prostitution is legal or not legal, or whatever else - it's legal in many places, and of course where it isn't, it's not that far to drive to where it is.

But if this guy wasn't running a brothel in Nevada, it's all irrelevant anyway.

[llylabrat]

inVOLLLLved in some kind of diabetical plan :biggrin:

[AnnInOhio]

inVOLLLLved in some kind of diabetical plan :biggrin:

Too much sugar? I'm thinking maybe OJ had kidney/bladder trouble, which cranberries are supposed to be good for. Hence all the vodka/cranberry intake.

[llylabrat]

Too much sugar? I'm thinking maybe OJ had kidney/bladder trouble, which cranberries are supposed to be good for. Hence all the vodka/cranberry intake.

I thought he meant to say 'diabolical' and got the wrong word during his theatrical flourish.

[bearwds]

Cashmore is now getting rattled. Numerous shoulder shrugs and gulping water.

Dry mouth Mr. Cashmore ??


bearwds

[RGG]

I'm confused - I figured Mr. Cashmore was going to be the Choir Boy - duh - connected to O.J. in ANY way - what the heck was I thinking???hammer:no:

[vonna]

Ok I didnt realize he was local - I thought he lives in CA. If he is not doing anything illegal then why not admit it?
When Yale used the word p-i-m-p I thought he was talking about something illigal. And I didn't see anything about any conviction for that.

The relevance Ann is that Yale wants to show that Alexander is scum and a liar as well.... and therefor the jury should not believe what he says.

Yale would certainly recognize scum and a liar as he represents the poster boy for both.
:seeya: Susie

[mistywilkins]

Hey all this judge has me cracking up she is good I love her and where in the world did Mr Stewart get his attorney the judge seems so bothered by his exisitense does't she or is that just me?

[AnnInOhio]

I thought he meant to say 'diabolical' and got the wrong word during his theatrical flourish.

He did. I had caught it too and was going to say something, but thought I'd be the only one who noticed. I thought it was funny that the error occurred during an attempt at a theatrical flourish. Kind of like when somebody attempts to show off and shows their ignorance instead.

[RGG]

Wow - that's my problem! I keep forgetting the Vodka! hammer

Snowbird!!! I thought I taught you better - you ALWAYS have Vodka first (at least 3 fingers) and THEN add a splash of cranberry juice (for those kidneys!) - Now, does that recall your memory to the original conversation? ROFLOL:)

[RGG]

in case you didn't know, kardashian is dead, has been since 2003.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=7941493

I thought "swims with the fishes" actually means you're dead....did I miss something?:read:

[bearwds]

Snowbird!!! I thought I taught you better - you ALWAYS have Vodka first (at least 3 fingers) and THEN add a splash of cranberry juice (for those kidneys!) - Now, does that recall your memory to the original conversation? ROFLOL:)
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I would think after that cocktail, most of memory would be gone and the lampshade is off the lamp.

OJ is doing pretty good with his bladder. I think he may just like the Vodka (a lot).


bearwds

[bearwds]

in case you didn't know, kardashian is dead, has been since 2003.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=7941493
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Since you indicated "you", I assume you don't know what the "fishes" comment meant.

Will read your Link later....thanx


bearwds

[AnnInOhio]

I thought "swims with the fishes" actually means you're dead....did I miss something?:read:

I guess I always think of it in terms of "presumed dead" due to "fishy" circumstances. Think Jimmy Hoffa.

[RGG]

Sorry - I don't know Mattie Simpson-Baker - I'll check in a second.

I think "swims with the fishes" probably is from the 20-30's when they used to dump bodies in cement caskets into the bays, lakes etc.

This is from Michel Bryant from the "thelegaledge" site: hahaha:
"YOU CAN JUST SEE CASHMORE HOPPING IN THE CAR TO GET OJ'S STUFF LIKE IT'S FUN BEING PART OF THE OJ POSSE"

;)

[RGG]

Is that Mattie Shirley Simpson-Baker sitting directly behind O.J. in the gallery? It looks like the same woman I have seen for several days now.

So far, I have not noticed his other sister, his brother or his off-and-on girlfriend, Christie Prody, attending this trial?
Anyone care to comment?

Here's Mattie:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=%22Mattie%20Shirley%20Simpson-Baker%20%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

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Sleeps with fishes I always heard in context of someone dying by foul play, bit of a mafia, cement overshoes connotation.

I suppose it could also have come from sailors, burial at sea as well.

[AnnInOhio]

Is that Mattie Shirley Simpson-Baker sitting directly behind O.J. in the gallery? It looks like the same woman I have seen for several days now.

So far, I have not noticed his other sister, his brother or his off-and-on girlfriend, Christie Prody, attending this trial?
Anyone care to comment?

What do you know about the Simpson sisters? Any clue which one was talking on the tape near the pool area during the planning?

Bearwds and I are (well, OK, I know for sure I am) on the lookout for any possible "hairy eyeball" by her directed towards any witnesses.

[RGG]

another post by Michel Bryant:
"SANDY THE COURT CLERK HAS ERASED THE FIRST DIAGRAM DONE BY CASHMORE SO...HERE WE GO AGAIN."

The men are not all placed in the same area - except for Fromong and Beardsley. This will be a pickey-pickey fight later one.

[bearwds]

OK folks....time for me to skeedadle <that word is not on my spul-check..lol>

Hold the fort and will see Y'all (for southern friends) tomorrow.

:seeya::seeya::seeya:


bearwds

[RGG]

Bye Bearwds - I'll be off soon too. :seeya:

[AnnInOhio]

Here's Mattie:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=%22Mattie%20Shirley%20Simpson-Baker%20%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

I guess I've always heard her referred to as "Shirley". Did she begin using Mattie Shirley after her brother outed her for hiding his stuff from LE at Rockingham?

[AnnInOhio]

OK folks....time for me to skeedadle <that word is not on my spul-check..lol>

Hold the fort and will see Y'all (for southern friends) tomorrow.

:seeya::seeya::seeya:


bearwds

Obviously not in your spell check. Every redneck knows it's spelled "skeedaddle"!

[Lqqkout]

It's prejudicial, and a way to make the jury weigh the testimony differently, based especially on loaded words like "p i m p".

Prejudicial and irrelevant - two good reasons not to include it. Attorneys aren't allowed to go fishing in your life for everything some juror might not like and judge you on. It'd be the same if you were gay, a defense attorney might try to get you to mention your boyfriend, in hopes there is a prejudiced juror, and refer to you as a sodomite.


Sounds like he may have been doing something illegal, and may have been in CA - I don't know much about that - but it is all irrelevant - it has nothing to do with this case.

I think you are missing the point. The reason to bring this up was that when Alexander made the deal with the prosecution he had told them that he REALLY needed his real estate license as THAT was his main source of income. If it is found out that Alexander lied at all when making his deal, the deal would be null and void and that is the only way he would get in any trouble at all.. If Glass doesn't give him probation as he does not want to spend any more than the 12 hrs he already was held, then he can renege his deal and the pro has promised him NO time at all. THAT was the significance of his OTHER job, to try to prove that he in fact lied when making his deal. But, Glass shot down Galante.

[RGG]

All the defense lawyers are going to push "did you ever call the police...you were not forced to get into the vehicle".

So, I wonder if a man "disses OJ and his friends" do you have a chance to live??? "No OJ - I'm not doing this, I'm calling the cops!"

yeah - right!!!:flamemad:

[RGG]

Isn't Christie Prody sitting right behind OJ? Blond with the grey looking suit and black shirt?

I forget what she looks like.

here she is:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=christie%20prody&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

[AnnInOhio]

All the defense lawyers are going to push "did you ever call the police...you were not forced to get into the vehicle".

So, I wonder if a man "disses OJ and his friends" do you have a chance to live??? "No OJ - I'm not doing this, I'm calling the cops!"

yeah - right!!!:flamemad:

I can just hear OJ saying "Ya know, there was once a little blonde who liked to call the cops. She's not around anymore."

[AnnInOhio]

Isn't Christie Prody sitting right behind OJ? Blond with the grey looking suit and black shirt?

I forget what she looks like.

here she is:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=christie%20prody&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

I believe that's one of his attorneys/paralegals. Notice she's in front of the wooden divider. First row of seats beyond the wooden divider is for family members according to the seating chart I saw.

[AnnInOhio]

Isn't Christie Prody sitting right behind OJ? Blond with the grey looking suit and black shirt?

I forget what she looks like.

here she is:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=christie%20prody&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

Think an alcoholic, drugged out Nicole and I think you'll know what Prody looks like. IMO.

[Lqqkout]

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Hey Ann... Since you bring up Kardashian, I think he swims with the fishes. Never forget incredulous expression @ 1st trial.


bearwds

Respectfully request to stay OT....I hadn't brought up Fidler either. Why get your knickers in a bunch?

[Poochie Pie]

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Hey Ann... Since you bring up Kardashian, I think he swims with the fishes. Never forget incredulous expression @ 1st trial.


bearwds Hi bearwds... You are correct.. He swims with the fishes... I, too, remember his shocked expression at the Criminal trial when the verdict was not guilty for OJ...!! That look on his face will go down in history..

Poochie

[AnnInOhio]

Hi bearwds... You are correct.. He swims with the fishes... I, too, remember his shocked expression at the Criminal trial when the verdict was not guilty for OJ...!! That look on his face will go down in history..

Poochie

Hmm. I wonder if OJ's face had the same stunned look when he figured out the cops weren't buying his "this is all a big misunderstanding" spiel?

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Well - a sensible person who felt like they had no choice but to go along would have gone along with the robbery to avoid being shot or otherwise hurt, so long as no one was being hurt, then would have called the cops immediately when they were safely away from the baddies.

But then - someone with a record, or who is not so sensible, might feel like they already did it, now they're stuck, time to get that attorney and work with them before doing anything. And then you get into what he did - working with his buddy about an attorney, what the heck happened, etc.

This guy jumped into it pretty fast and easy - was grabbing stuff independently - but didn't seem to be making threats and the like. Not sure what to think of that.

[Poochie Pie]

Hmm. I wonder if OJ's face had the same stunned look when he figured out the cops weren't buying his "this is all a big misunderstanding" spiel? LOL... Looks like the "big misunderstanding" has made it's way before a Judge, according to the little bit of the Trial I watched this morning... :seeya:

Poochie

[Lyndawitha"Y]

LOL... Looks like the "big misunderstanding" has made it's way before a Judge, according to the little bit of the Trial I watched this morning... :seeya:

Poochie

LOL Misunderstanding is OJ's viewpoint..Against the law in LE's viewpoint..OJ has gotten away with so much over the past decade and half he really does believe his own teflonism..LOL

LMS:lol:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Its different from "bought the farm"; which just means dead:when people crossed the mob and got put in "cement boots" - they were tossed into the Hudson River - hence swimming with the fishes. So lets be clear: Mr Kardashian bought the farm but does not swim with the fishes.

HUMMMMM..I do believe that Kardashian has met with a much higher court..and was made to answer for his assistance to OJ..In other words..he is either in Hell or paying his dues in a worse way than he did on earth..HUMMMM??

Pls correct me..But I think he died years ago..

LMS;)

[RGG]

http://www.housefront.com/PropertyDetail.aspx?qry=460375&propertyID=1992833


OJ's house. I've spent about 2 hrs on the stuff OJ's been involved in since Sep 07 - 3 problems with family or females and several other legal items on the Miami-Dade county public records site.

I'm surprise he keeps beating rap after rap. He should just keep betting at the races too!

:read::seeya:

[RGG]

HUMMMMM..I do believe that Kardashian has met with a much higher court..and was made to answer for his assistance to OJ..In other words..he is either in Hell or paying his dues in a worse way than he did on earth..HUMMMM??

Pls correct me..But I think he died years ago..

LMS;)

Yep Lyndawitha"Y - that's all we were saying - except that Kardashian didn't get killed by the mob - he just "bought the farm" - hence, he didn't have to swim with fishes.:cool:

[Wukong]

Yep Lyndawitha"Y - that's all we were saying - except that Kardashian didn't get killed by the mob - he just "bought the farm" - hence, he didn't have to swim with fishes.:cool:


Just to clarify...the term used when the "boys" fit you with the cement Nikes - updated termonology ;-} - they send you to "Sleep with the fishes", not swim with them. I grew up in NY and spent too much of my youth (pronounced Yoot) hanging around on a street corner in Brooklyn...LOL!

[AnnInOhio]

Just to clarify...the term used when the "boys" fit you with the cement Nikes - updated termonology ;-} - they send you to "Sleep with the fishes", not swim with them. I grew up in NY and spent too much of my youth (pronounced Yoot) hanging around on a street corner in Brooklyn...LOL!

A Brooklyn yoot who likes Red Green, eh? My redneck husband was scared to death when our daughter moved to the Bensenhurst area after college!

[JBL]

I had to go a little into Bryson questioning Cashmore. Anything interesting or enlightening. I made it up to the point where he'd gotten his own attorney and didn't take CJ up on his offer to share.

Is Bryson done?
Did Yale ever recover? HA!

News accounts say Cashmore will return tomorrow but who was doing cross when court ended?

[legalmania]

Nit-pick :D - it's legal plenty of places there. What percentage of the acreage, what percentage of the population lives where prostitution is legal or not legal, or whatever else - it's legal in many places, and of course where it isn't, it's not that far to drive to where it is.

But if this guy wasn't running a brothel in Nevada, it's all irrelevant anyway.

I was going to add more but I'm just to busy right now. Actually a large part of Nevada has outlawed prostitution and brothels, and you have to be licenced to run one. They are currently trying to get brothels and prostitution outlawed because of all the STD. I believe in facts, it's just the paralegal in me, I am not nit picking. Goldie Alexander was arrested for something in 1987 but it was thrown out on a technicality. I don't have time to find the details right now. I will try to see if I can get this info tomorrow. It could be very relevant IMO.

[rulovlaw]

I can just hear OJ saying "Ya know, there was once a little blonde who liked to call the cops. She's not around anymore."

Its been almost 15 years, Him and his GF have had many ups and downs, arguments and breakups and they have BOTH called the police over the last decade or more, Christy is very much alive.As is his daughter who called the police because her Father wouldnt let her go to a Party and they got in a fight. It was over the next day much like most teenage drama.
Thre is no indication that OJ hs ever threatened anyone in the last 15 years atleast.


As for why Christy Prody and OJ's daughter Arnelle and Sister and other friends and family are not in the court, They are "WITNESSES" or potential witnesses and are not permitted in the court at this time.
I am assuming he does not WANT his younger children in the courtroom as he has been very protective of them as far as media goes over the years.

The system works that way for everyone. Always has.
No big mystery.

[Fallen Angel]

:flamemad:

...IMO, is certainly not in "hell" !! By your reasoning, all defense attorneys that represented a murderer (and I believe that most are FULLY aware of their client's culpability or lack of the same) are hell-bound for .... what?! Doing their jobs? So you think God is making sure RK is "paying his dues" in the afterlife? Did you know Robert Kardashian, what kind of man and father he was? The good he did for others while on this earth? Oh yeah, I forgot, none of that matters because he showed up for work! :rolleyes:

ITA . plus how would justice really work with out defense atty's? would defendents have to get up their and represent their self? What about the ones that are really innocent but don't understand the law and then end up in prison. where is the justice in that. So thats why i might hate a few defense atty's but they keep the hands of justice level.

JMO

[rulovlaw]

I missed all the testimony after lunch.. but Im curious.
Ive read what a great witness Alexander was percieved to be by some.. Thats definately a matter of opinion, I felt he contradicted himself a number of times in the morning.. But what really had me stunned was ,
He testified that after He and McClinton left OJ and went home to *Get ready*They decided to wire themself to a camera and mic and sell the incident to tabloids ???? Excuse me ??? That had me thinking that they decided to make the tape as explosive as possible so as to make more money and THEY decided to take the whole plan to a new level.

From all the recorded plans by Riccio there is no indication that Guns were ever part of the original plan..
I dont believe OJ wanted any guns.. He knows that he is a prime target for any infraction, I mean people call and report when he is driving and accuse him of intoxication so the police will pull him over, then just to discover he is sober, They do this HOPNG to catch or harrass him, The man cant JAYWALK without risking being arrested.
I believe this Gun drama was the doing of Alexander and McClinton.
OJ was definately wrong to go about things as he did, But I dont believe he conspired to commit any crime. And certainly not to involve guns.

JMO

[JBL]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Fallen Angel]

I missed all the testimony after lunch.. but Im curious.
Ive read what a great witness Alexander was percieved to be by some.. Thats definately a matter of opinion, I felt he contradicted himself a number of times in the morning.. But what really had me stunned was ,
He testified that after He and McClinton left OJ and went home to *Get ready*They decided to wire themself to a camera and mic and sell the incident to tabloids ???? Excuse me ??? That had me thinking that they decided to make the tape as explosive as possible so as to make more money and THEY decided to take the whole plan to a new level.

From all the recorded plans by Riccio there is no indication that Guns were ever part of the original plan..
I dont believe OJ wanted any guns.. He knows that he is a prime target for any infraction, I mean people call and report when he is driving and accuse him of intoxication so the police will pull him over, then just to discover he is sober, They do this HOPNG to catch or harrass him, The man cant JAYWALK without risking being arrested.
I believe this Gun drama was the doing of Alexander and McClinton.
OJ was definately wrong to go about things as he did, But I dont believe he conspired to commit any crime. And certainly not to involve guns.

JMO

awwwwwwww isn't OJ a sweet heart barf