9/23 - Tues Evening/Late night, Day 99

[barskin&co.]

Here we go, into the night.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Hi bar. I didn't know which thread to post on again. lol I try and wait for others to post first. Just to make sure.

[FrankieBones1]

Here we go, into the night.
Great timing! Was Nancy worth watching tonight? Just got in and it comes on again in a half hour or so.

[Unperson1984]

Hi bar. I didn't know which thread to post on again. lol I try and wait for others to post first. Just to make sure.


Hi RR:

I had a full schedule this afternoon, did anything important happen?

TIA

:)

[FrankieBones1]

Found on Nancy's website:
Just released: State's Attorney's Office releases 600 pages of documents in the case against tot mom Casey Anthony. Nancy Grace has the latest, tonight 8 & 10 ET on Headline News.

Anyone know what these are about?

[Rayosunshine]

Is the phone/text msg. doc. out? I hate to ask again, but I fear if I download too much i will crash puter - I don't even know if that would happen. Computer illiterate here.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[tashi]

Found on Nancy's website:
Just released: State's Attorney's Office releases 600 pages of documents in the case against tot mom Casey Anthony. Nancy Grace has the latest, tonight 8 & 10 ET on Headline News.

Anyone know what these are about?


There was a big release of documents today...

Here's a link that should guide you to pdf files

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-documents092308,0,2008725.story

[txsage]

Found on Nancy's website:
Just released: State's Attorney's Office releases 600 pages of documents in the case against tot mom Casey Anthony. Nancy Grace has the latest, tonight 8 & 10 ET on Headline News.

Anyone know what these are about?

on the Links thread..........I've only read Lee's interview. Interesting!

[tashi]

Is the phone/text msg. doc. out? I hate to ask again, but I fear if I download too much i will crash puter - I don't even know if that would happen. Computer illiterate here.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


I keep looking and haven't found anything more than the 317 pages released earlier

[Rayosunshine]

Found on Nancy's website:
Just released: State's Attorney's Office releases 600 pages of documents in the case against tot mom Casey Anthony. Nancy Grace has the latest, tonight 8 & 10 ET on Headline News.

Anyone know what these are about?

OMG Frankie, where you been. Stuff hit the net not too far before 5:00 pm. Be ready to do an all-nighter.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[girlspell]

Nancy Grace had a rehash of the documents released today. Some damning things about Casey. The worst (I think) was taking things for herself and nothing for Caylee. Even leaving behind the beloved doll. Her story has changed again. The 30 days without Caylee was just Casey looking for work. Caylee safe with Zanny.

Pretty circumstantial case so far (at least for murder). I think a lot of the DNA they depended on so much was too degraded to use. If they're going for murder, it will be a VERY circumstantial case. Wish them luck. They are going to need it.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Hi RR:

I had a full schedule this afternoon, did anything important happen?

TIA

:)

Hi ya there sweetpea. Well there were at least close to 300 documents released today out of 591.

Do you need the links? The depositions are mainly what were released from 4 people today. There is more to come. I tell ya if you have text to audio reader softwware you should use it. I got aheadache reading all that stuff. lol I did post a link to free software if you need me to PM it to ya.

[tashi]

Nancy Grace had a rehash of the documents released today. Some damning things about Casey. The worst (I think) was taking things for herself and nothing for Caylee. Even leaving behind the beloved doll. Her story has changed again. The 30 days without Caylee was just Casey looking for work. Caylee safe with Zanny.

Pretty circumstantial case so far (at least for murder). I think a lot of the DNA they depended on so much was too degraded to use. If they're going for murder, it will be a VERY circumstantial case. Wish them luck. They are going to need it.



I also think that the phone call to Amy about her car smelling horrible on June 25th was big news. It establishes that the smell was in the car before it was abandoned at amscot and before it went and sat at the impound lot for two weeks.

[lchal2002]

that had to do w/having 'the best ... of her life' or something to that effect. Where are the transcripts of those text messages? I went thru the 317 pages and only saw 1 page of msg on page 80 that weren't what was on NG. Anyone have any like to the text messages???? SUPER INTERESTING..... Thanks in advance.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I also think that the phone call to Amy about her car smelling horrible on June 25th was big news. It establishes that the smell was in the car before it was abandoned at amscot and before it went and sat at the impound lot for two weeks.


YEP YEP and she acknowldges it as a smell of decomposition whether it was animal or not. BTW Not one report about the testing says they found animal dna or decomp on or in that car.

[msgatorslayer]

I also think that the phone call to Amy about her car smelling horrible on June 25th was big news. It establishes that the smell was in the car before it was abandoned at amscot and before it went and sat at the impound lot for two weeks.

Yep, there goes Cindy's theory that someone else could have dumped a body in there. And George, what did he say? That it wasn't Caylee's body? Well, then, who did Casey kill besides Caylee? Are there 2 murders she's good for, Mr. Curious George?

[FrankieBones1]

Thanks, Texasage and Tashi. Anyone know why those particular ones were release at this time? I think it's a great idea. Nothing should be kept from jurors, in my opinion, so this is a good way for info to get out to prospective ones.

RaysMom: Been busy for a few days but getting caught up slowly. Should be able to get lots of info on Nancy's show tonight.

[joolz]

Found on Nancy's website:
Just released: State's Attorney's Office releases 600 pages of documents in the case against tot mom Casey Anthony. Nancy Grace has the latest, tonight 8 & 10 ET on Headline News.

Anyone know what these are about?


Glue those reading glasses to your nose, girl - I've only gotten through about 100 pages so far, and it is, to say the least, interesting reading.

Don't know about anyone else, but reading Lee's statement made me feel like at the beginning of all this, he had a pretty clear idea that Casey had done something terrible. But since then he seems to have completely closed ranks with the family.

His description of the odor from the car also makes me believe that there is no way George and Cindy didn't suspect Caylee was dead at Casey's hands. JMO

[barskin&co.]

Glue those reading glasses to your nose, girl - I've only gotten through about 100 pages so far, and it is, to say the least, interesting reading.

Don't know about anyone else, but reading Lee's statement made me feel like at the beginning of all this, he had a pretty clear idea that Casey had done something terrible. But since then he seems to have completely closed ranks with the family.

His description of the odor from the car also makes me believe that there is no way George and Cindy didn't suspect Caylee was dead at Casey's hands. JMO

Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.

[babblefishie]

I also think that the phone call to Amy about her car smelling horrible on June 25th was big news. It establishes that the smell was in the car before it was abandoned at amscot and before it went and sat at the impound lot for two weeks.

Hi everyone
I agree Tashi -- Casey sunk herself by attempting to explain away that smell early on. It's also telling how one friend stated that Casey seemed more carefree than ever in between calls from her family, when she then seemed quite upset. Seems like reality was getting in the way of her fun. Jesse Grund does not paint a very flattering picture of CA does he?

[?noanswer]

Found on Nancy's website:
Just released: State's Attorney's Office releases 600 pages of documents in the case against tot mom Casey Anthony. Nancy Grace has the latest, tonight 8 & 10 ET on Headline News.

Anyone know what these are about?

NG didn't have anything much, but there is a link on the links thread for some, if not all, of the new documents. JMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

Thanks, Texasage and Tashi. Anyone know why those particular ones were release at this time? I think it's a great idea. Nothing should be kept from jurors, in my opinion, so this is a good way for info to get out to prospective ones.

RaysMom: Been busy for a few days but getting caught up slowly. Should be able to get lots of info on Nancy's show tonight.

They were released today because Baez got the discovery yesterday. The Sunshine law and Freedom of information act are why the media got them and released parts of them. I'm still not sure why the OCSO page hasn't posted the full 591 pages yet. They aren't media and they don't need the teasers and ratings. so that baffles me.

[bluwaters]

Please light a Candle for Caylee

click any unlit candle to begin

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

[tashi]

Does anyone know anything about Brandon?

I've never heard anything about him until today...Casey had a miscarriage??

The girl does get around

[bluwaters]

Thanks barskin! :seeya:
did you bring your squirrely friend?

[?noanswer]

Nancy Grace had a rehash of the documents released today. Some damning things about Casey. The worst (I think) was taking things for herself and nothing for Caylee. Even leaving behind the beloved doll. Her story has changed again. The 30 days without Caylee was just Casey looking for work. Caylee safe with Zanny.

Pretty circumstantial case so far (at least for murder). I think a lot of the DNA they depended on so much was too degraded to use. If they're going for murder, it will be a VERY circumstantial case. Wish them luck. They are going to need it.

I'm thinking maybe they just released documents that would support the current charges. Since they have not charged her with murder/manslaughter, they might not be releasing any forensics. JMO

[barskin&co.]

Yep, there goes Cindy's theory that someone else could have dumped a body in there. And George, what did he say? That it wasn't Caylee's body? Well, then, who did Casey kill besides Caylee? Are there 2 murders she's good for, Mr. Curious George?

Oh, George wants us to believe someone found a handy dead body, put it in to the trunk of her car, then took it out. They do that kind of stuff in tow yards don't they? This is entirely conicidental to the invisible dead squirrels that were invisbly attached to the car causing the smell Casey experienced before the car was towed, mind you.

[OneUp]

I'm still processsing the new info...Wow, just wow!
It's very damning stuff...all confirming my suspicions or just adding new layers of depravity, but very informative and stuff that makes it much easier to draw conclusions...
I'm sure some will still be fervent defenders of Cindy, but it becomes pretty obvious form the interviews that Cindy knew Casey caring for Caylee alone was not good. That IN NO WAY makes Cindy responsible for what happened though.It just means she had a far bigger knowledge of Casey's "flaws" than we knew for certain before...she told Amy that casey had been thieving for YEARS...I still am emotionally overwhelmed by "picturing" the smell and the surreal setting of the family with that car in the garage ...and later trying to convince us?/themselves? that it was pizza.
I'm waiting for a bomb to hit after reading this...I really think that the neglect charges will eventually be dropped unless they carry on with neglect that is not attached to Caylee's dissapearance. I think we will see the charges stand until the last minute though, because I believe LE really wants Caylee so they may take this all the way to 2nd degree.
Jmo...cutting myself off before it becomes my novel!

[?noanswer]

that had to do w/having 'the best ... of her life' or something to that effect. Where are the transcripts of those text messages? I went thru the 317 pages and only saw 1 page of msg on page 80 that weren't what was on NG. Anyone have any like to the text messages???? SUPER INTERESTING..... Thanks in advance.

If they are part of the 600 pages, I think noone has had the time to upload the last pages. JMO

[TxLady2]

When the A's went to pick up the car from the tow yard, the smell was overpowering. They were afraid to open the trunk for fear that Casey or Caylee was dead in it. Lee said he couldn't get near the car more than a minute, the smell was so bad.
I've only read through Tony's and Lee's statements so far.. very interesting!

[Rebel Rouzer]

Does anyone know anything about Brandon?

I've never heard anything about him until today...Casey had a miscarriage??

The girl does get around


I'd like to know if the miscarriage thing was a total LIE or not. I never heard about Brandon until today either.

[tashi]

Hi everyone
I agree Tashi -- Casey sunk herself by attempting to explain away that smell early on. It's also telling how one friend stated that Casey seemed more carefree than ever in between calls from her family, when she then seemed quite upset. Seems like reality was getting in the way of her fun. Jesse Grund does not paint a very flattering picture of CA does he?


Yeah that carefree attitude is disturbing. I think Amy described Casey as acting "very, very, very annoyingly giddy" because Tony was coming home on July 5th. At the same time, she's trying to start something with that guy Will. Unbelievable!

[Nellie]

Glue those reading glasses to your nose, girl - I've only gotten through about 100 pages so far, and it is, to say the least, interesting reading.

Don't know about anyone else, but reading Lee's statement made me feel like at the beginning of all this, he had a pretty clear idea that Casey had done something terrible. But since then he seems to have completely closed ranks with the family.

His description of the odor from the car also makes me believe that there is no way George and Cindy didn't suspect Caylee was dead at Casey's hands. JMO

They suspected enough to go looking for her in the backyard! :flamemad:

[trich]

[QUOTE=joolz;12174550]Glue those reading glasses to your nose, girl - I've only gotten through about 100 pages so far, and it is, to say the least, interesting reading.

Don't know about anyone else, but reading Lee's statement made me feel like at the beginning of all this, he had a pretty clear idea that Casey had done something terrible. But since then he seems to have completely closed ranks with the family.

His description of the odor from the car

If you read Amy''s dispostion you would know that Cindy thought that either Casey or Caylee was dead in the trunk.

[WillowInFlight]

Glue those reading glasses to your nose, girl - I've only gotten through about 100 pages so far, and it is, to say the least, interesting reading.

Don't know about anyone else, but reading Lee's statement made me feel like at the beginning of all this, he had a pretty clear idea that Casey had done something terrible. But since then he seems to have completely closed ranks with the family.

His description of the odor from the car also makes me believe that there is no way George and Cindy didn't suspect Caylee was dead at Casey's hands. JMO

ITA, he said he could only stand in the garage a few minutes at a time, funny how Casey said the squirrel got up under the hood but the smell came from the trunk, I wonder how she explains that. I also thought Amy shed a lot of light on some of the lies that Casey told her that I have never heard of before, I can't believe she told Amy George had just had a mini stroke and that Cindy was signing the house over to her because Cindy and George were going to get an apartment.

Knowing what Cindy and Casey's friends know now I wonder what they think. I imagine that Casey is blaming everyone else for her lies. After all they weren't really lies, just misunderstandings.

I'm trying to catch up on what Brittany says.

[joolz]

I'm still processsing the new info...Wow, just wow!
It's very damning stuff...all confirming my suspicions or just adding new layers of depravity, but very informative and stuff that makes it much easier to draw conclusions...
I'm sure some will still be fervent defenders of Cindy, but it becomes pretty obvious form the interviews that Cindy knew Casey caring for Caylee alone was not good. That IN NO WAY makes Cindy responsible for what happened though.It just means she had a far bigger knowledge of Casey's "flaws" than we knew for certain before...she told Amy that casey had been thieving for YEARS...I still am emotionally overwhelmed by "picturing" the smell and the surreal setting of the family with that car in the garage ...and later trying to convince us?/themselves? that it was pizza.
I'm waiting for a bomb to hit after reading this...I really think that the neglect charges will eventually be dropped unless they carry on with neglect that is not attached to Caylee's dissapearance. I think we will see the charges stand until the last minute though, because I believe LE really wants Caylee so they may take this all the way to 2nd degree.
Jmo...cutting myself off before it becomes my novel!

ITA with everything you said. And I agree that cindy is not responsible for what happened to Caylee.

But I do wonder what the accurate definition of denial is. Any psycologists here tonight? If - as it appears - the Anthonys all came to the accurate conclusion about the horrible fate of Caylee, then started making up excuses and stories and thrwoing around false accusations, does that really qualify as denial? Or is it just obstructing justice?

[WillowInFlight]

Oh, George wants us to believe someone found a handy dead body, put it in to the trunk of her car, then took it out. They do that kind of stuff in tow yards don't they? This is entirely conicidental to the invisible dead squirrels that were invisbly attached to the car causing the smell Casey experienced before the car was towed, mind you.

And don't forget that same person had to take that same body and put it in the Anthony's backyard.

[?noanswer]

Another thing I had not heard before: Casey told Amy that George had a mini stroke and was in the hospital. She used that as an excuse not to take Amy to get another car.

The only info so far about Brandon is in statements from others. If there is a statement from him, I haven't seen it posted. I went thru all 300+ pages except the calendar pages with all the notations. One thing that kinda bothers me is that several people got together and came up with a timeline.

JMO


JMO

[steffaroob4]

She tried to get Jesse to bring her a gas can on June 28, plus Amy buying one on 30th
WOW
She was planning on getting her car back.
I thought the food/grocery story from TonE was interesting, he said it looked like she brought stuff from her parents house, not a store. I wish we got a better time on the car incident.

[Rebel Rouzer]

ITA, he said he could only stand in the garage a few minutes at a time, funny how Casey said the squirrel got up under the hood but the smell came from the trunk, I wonder how she explains that. I also thought Amy shed a lot of light on some of the lies that Casey told her that I have never heard of before, I can't believe she told Amy George had just had a mini stroke and that Cindy was signing the house over to her because Cindy and George were going to get an apartment.

Knowing what Cindy and Casey's friends know now I wonder what they think. I imagine that Casey is blaming everyone else for her lies. After all they weren't really lies, just misunderstandings.

I'm trying to catch up on what Brittany says.

I bet she is blaming others right now too. I have a feeling that all of this information and the arrests were done in the manner they were done the timing they were done. So that there would be tension and a rif caused within the home and they would turn on casey and stop covering up for her.

I have to read Cindy and George's depositions before i decide for sure though.

[barskin&co.]

Yeah that carefree attitude is disturbing. I think Amy described Casey as acting "very, very, very annoyingly giddy" because Tony was coming home on July 5th. At the same time, she's trying to start something with that guy Will. Unbelievable!

Uchhhh. We're getting to know Casey, by now. Believable!

RICHARD GRUND: That didn`t happen until just at the end of their engagement, and he found that out after the fact. I kind of found it out on my own almost immediately. It didn`t take much of an effort to go to her MySpace page and see comments from somebody else that were a little bit too affectionate, and then go to his page and see a comment that says, It`s official, I miss you, two months before they break up. So it was kind of the beginning of the pattern. Casey always has the next person lined up before she moves on.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html

[?noanswer]

ITA, he said he could only stand in the garage a few minutes at a time, funny how Casey said the squirrel got up under the hood but the smell came from the trunk, I wonder how she explains that. I also thought Amy shed a lot of light on some of the lies that Casey told her that I have never heard of before, I can't believe she told Amy George had just had a mini stroke and that Cindy was signing the house over to her because Cindy and George were going to get an apartment.

Knowing what Cindy and Casey's friends know now I wonder what they think. I imagine that Casey is blaming everyone else for her lies. After all they weren't really lies, just misunderstandings.

I'm trying to catch up on what Brittany says.

I thought she said Cindy was getting a condo and George was getting a divorce. Course she has said so much, it's hard to keep it straight. JMO

[StickyBeak]

They were released today because Baez got the discovery yesterday. The Sunshine law and Freedom of information act are why the media got them and released parts of them. I'm still not sure why the OCSO page hasn't posted the full 591 pages yet. They aren't media and they don't need the teasers and ratings. so that baffles me.

Hi Rebel, I vaguely remember seeing on I think channel 6 web site this am, that NeJames is the one who dangled this in front of media. I may be wrong and have no link. I read it and thought that is so wierd that he would dangle this bait in front, that it is there for the asking.
If this media hog lets things die down, he would be out of a job? Krect?
Baez was sitting on it, and I did not see any OSCO announcement. Was it not released though the state attorney general?
Time for me to go Night Nite. Just too much.

[WillowInFlight]

I thought she said Cindy was getting a condo and George was getting a divorce. Course she has said so much, it's hard to keep it straight. JMO

Yes you are right, she did tell Amy they were getting a divorce. I just can't keep track of all the lies.

[Rebel Rouzer]

She tried to get Jesse to bring her a gas can on June 28, plus Amy buying one on 30th
WOW
She was planning on getting her car back.
I thought the food/grocery story from TonE was interesting, he said it looked like she brought stuff from her parents house, not a store. I wish we got a better time on the car incident.

I'm not so sure she planned on gettin her car back.

We need to know what she did with the gas and cans she may have gotten at that time. She already stole the ones from her dad. If it was just for gas.

[tashi]

I bet she is blaming others right now too. I have a feeling that all of this information and the arrests were done in the manner they were done the timing they were done. So that there would be tension and a rif caused within the home and they would turn on casey and stop covering up for her.

I have to read Cindy and George's depositions before i decide for sure though.


I am dying to read Cindy and George's depositions. I want to see if they are trying to paint Casey in the best light possible or if they're honest.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Hi Rebel, I vaguely remember seeing on I think channel 6 web site this am, that NeJames is the one who dangled this in front of media. I may be wrong and have no link. I read it and thought that is so wierd that he would dangle this bait in front, that it is there for the asking.
If this media hog lets things die down, he would be out of a job? Krect?
Baez was sitting on it, and I did not see any OSCO announcement. Was it not released though the state attorney general?
Time for me to go Night Nite. Just too much.

The state did release it. I'm wondering why it wasn't on their web site yet. I can't explain Nejame or Baez's comments etc.

I'll see ya tomorrow when you are refreshed.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I am dying to read Cindy and George's depositions. I want to see if they are trying to paint Casey in the best light possible or if they're honest.


If the leaks about their depositions being different than what they hve said to media are true. the shiznits going to hit the fan. I want to read/listen to those for sure.

[bchand]

Does anyone know anything about Brandon?

I've never heard anything about him until today...Casey had a miscarriage??

The girl does get around

That was a new name to me too. Guess her parents didn't know about that one either?

[barskin&co.]

I'm not so sure she planned on gettin her car back.

We need to know what she did with the gas and cans she may have gotten at that time. She already stole the ones from her dad. If it was just for gas.

She told William Waters she was going to get a rental car after Amy got home. Page 189

[barskin&co.]

Yes you are right, she did tell Amy they were getting a divorce. I just can't keep track of all the lies.

They were getting a divorce, moving to a condo, gving the house to her...:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[?noanswer]

I am dying to read Cindy and George's depositions. I want to see if they are trying to paint Casey in the best light possible or if they're honest.


If they got the statements in the first day or so, they probably were pretty honest, but if it was more than a week, I think they were putting the spin on whatever they said. Its a good thing that C & G talked to the media. That can be used to impeach them when/if there is a trial. JMO

[Fallen Angel]

If they got the statements in the first day or so, they probably were pretty honest, but if it was more than a week, I think they were putting the spin on whatever they said. Its a good thing that C & G talked to the media. That can be used to impeach them when/if there is a trial. JMO

ITA. i have to be honest i was shocked by some of the things Lee and Amy had to say.

Sounds to me like caylee's dead and they all already know it.

[joolz]

If they got the statements in the first day or so, they probably were pretty honest, but if it was more than a week, I think they were putting the spin on whatever they said. Its a good thing that C & G talked to the media. That can be used to impeach them when/if there is a trial. JMO


Are their statements in this bunch of docs (I've only gotten through Lee and Tony so far)? TIA

[Rebel Rouzer]

She told William Waters she was going to get a rental car after Amy got home. Page 189

Did she say why? I've gotten through most of these new docs but i know I may have missed some info or not gotten far enough. I'm going to use the software to listen to the rest tonight but I did have to take a break. My head hurts really bad from reading and frustration while reading. Casey is a cold hearted witch. To put it nicely. IMO

[bchand]

Yeah that carefree attitude is disturbing. I think Amy described Casey as acting "very, very, very annoyingly giddy" because Tony was coming home on July 5th. At the same time, she's trying to start something with that guy Will. Unbelievable!


Well remember, Mr. Grund said Casey always had to have one in the pocket before she left her current one. (She was also texting the Hawkins guy in CA daily PLUS where does the Orlando cop come in who was fired from the force?)

Whew - I'm tired just thinking about her schedule.

[Takotna]

Wow - I get busy for a couple days and pop in today
to find 317 more pages! - You guys have been busy! I read all the interviews (amazing) and one of the statements that jumped of the page was........

"...if she[Cindy] did not find Casey she would end up in jail" AH pg 1053

I hereby take back any benefit of the doubt I gave Cindy. Cindy's only motivation for finding Casey was to keep her out of jail. Cindy and George - from the very beginning - conspired to protect Casey.

IMO Cindy was not saving Casey from jail for stealing - she'd been doing that for years, in the whole scope of things - nobody cares. She needed to find Casey to save her from what she did to Caylee.

They knew Casey was not the smell -Casey was still spending their money, stealing from the fridge, sneaking home, stealing gas, etc. The instant they smelled the car, C/G knew it was Caylee.

Their actions have not been borne of denial. Denial was not an issue after smelling the car. The dead body 911 call had to be made because they were not the only ones who smelled the car - what if the towguy reported it. Several other people knew about the smell too. I think the reality hit Cindy during that call, she'd been running on addreniline all day. I think the emotion in her voice was the realization there were embarking on a difficult ordeal and had made a fateful decission.

Cindy's statements about pizza, another body put in the car, dead animals, etc - were not denial - they were conscious, purposeful lies.

I'm not convinced the source of the decomp was not still in the car - either when they picked it up at the towyard or on the 24th on the gas can day. I am still of the opinion George very involved, after the fact.

Saying C/G have acted out of denial minimizes their responsibility for their part in the circus. They knew Caylee wasn't coming home and have acted accordingly.

My heart is heavy for sweet Caylee. :rose:

AllMO

[FrankieBones1]

Does anyone know anything about Brandon?

I've never heard anything about him until today...Casey had a miscarriage??

The girl does get around

I was thinking about that the other night. After hearing about all the men she dated I wondered just how many pregnancies Casey had over the years.

[joolz]

Well I'm going to have to leave all you fine people for the night and concentrate on reading the new docs. With all this dope coursing through my veins no one is going to understand what I post...Unless you knew me in the 70's, :biggrin:.

You're all a fine bunch of people and I feel honored to be among you!

See you guys in the morning!

Caylee is as usual in my mind hopes and prayers tonight.

:seeya: Goodnight to you all!

:DI think I knew you in the 70s. Happy reading!

[Rebel Rouzer]

Well I'm going to have to leave all you fine people for the night and concentrate on reading the new docs. With all this dope coursing through my veins no one is going to understand what I post...Unless you knew me in the 70's, :biggrin:.

You're all a fine bunch of people and I feel honored to be among you!

See you guys in the morning!

Caylee is as usual in my mind hopes and prayers tonight.

:seeya: Goodnight to you all!

See you tomoroow. Don't forget the copies for the Case RX :seeya:

[WillowInFlight]

OMG and what about Casey trying to convince Amy that she gave her money in her sleep. Did I get the gist of that right?

[tashi]

Are their statements in this bunch of docs (I've only gotten through Lee and Tony so far)? TIA


They aren't in the first 317 pages...still waiting on the rest of the documents to be released. I really hope they're included in the next drop.

[Joan Weiss]

I'm getting a headache. hammerhammerhammer

[VC2]

Uchhhh. We're getting to know Casey, by now. Believable!

RICHARD GRUND: That didn`t happen until just at the end of their engagement, and he found that out after the fact. I kind of found it out on my own almost immediately. It didn`t take much of an effort to go to her MySpace page and see comments from somebody else that were a little bit too affectionate, and then go to his page and see a comment that says, It`s official, I miss you, two months before they break up. So it was kind of the beginning of the pattern. Casey always has the next person lined up before she moves on.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html


I find this weird. Isn't Richard the father of Jesse? what in the world is he doing running around checking his sons fiance's myspace and then someone she was talking to. I would disown my father for a stunt like that when i was an adult.

imo

[spiritwolf46]

Good evening my dear friends! WHAT A DAY! I finally got to download the docs., but have yet to be able to read them. I am now watching the NG rerun from earlier. Seems like there is much to read about.

Had to go abruptly earlier, so wanted to stop in for a few.

Hope everyones evening is going well.

:rose: For CAYLEE

[bchand]

How could Casey drive that car, knowing what that smell was? :mad: How could she do it?

I don't know and how about George pulling it right into his garage?

Opening the trunk and windows didn't do the trick. I'd really like to know what else he did to try and get rid of the odor. After all, Lee said he was so meticulous about the cars.

[Takotna]

I also think that the phone call to Amy about her car smelling horrible on June 25th was big news. It establishes that the smell was in the car before it was abandoned at amscot and before it went and sat at the impound lot for two weeks.

ITA- If it was there on the 25th, it was certainly there on the 24th - the gas can day reported by George. Did anyone else notice how Lee kind of sidestepped the issue of the smell/George/24th June event?

AllMO:)

[Rebel Rouzer]

How could Casey drive that car, knowing what that smell was? :mad: How could she do it?

Read this and you will freak but notice it's not the first time. Sad and sick but a reality it does happen

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-17148045.html

[Rebel Rouzer]

I'm getting a headache. hammerhammerhammer

I understand completely. I'm sorry

[bchand]

I'm getting a headache. hammerhammerhammer

It helps me to close one eye and read with the best one for awhile.

I think I'm finished with this batch - bring on the rest !

[FrankieBones1]

Uchhhh. We're getting to know Casey, by now. Believable!

RICHARD GRUND: That didn`t happen until just at the end of their engagement, and he found that out after the fact. I kind of found it out on my own almost immediately. It didn`t take much of an effort to go to her MySpace page and see comments from somebody else that were a little bit too affectionate, and then go to his page and see a comment that says, It`s official, I miss you, two months before they break up. So it was kind of the beginning of the pattern. Casey always has the next person lined up before she moves on.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html
I am so glad that Richard was looking out for his son by keeping tabs on Casey's webpage. Richard had to know that Casey was poison. It's so sad that he and his son got wrap up in Casey's life. The pain of them losing little Caylee must be so hard for them. Even knowing she wasn't their flesh and blood.

All sons should be so lucky to have a Dad like Richard.

[tashi]

OMG and what about Casey trying to convince Amy that she gave her money in her sleep. Did I get the gist of that right?


Yup, Casey's very devious. In the Brittney interview, Cindy told her that Casey would call during June and July and try to meet up with her or try to get her mother to leave the house and that gave Casey an opportunity to sneak back to the house and take stuff she needed, however, Casey never took any of Caylee's things.

Again...very important info if brought to trial. No shoes, no pajamas, no clothes, no dolls, no anything for Caylee...

[Rebel Rouzer]

Is everyone busy reading tonight? I thought this place would be hopping faster than it is but it's not. I guess everyone is busy reading or got a headache from reading and went to bed?

[Takotna]

I don't know and how about George pulling it right into his garage?

Opening the trunk and windows didn't do the trick. I'd really like to know what else he did to try and get rid of the odor. After all, Lee said he was so meticulous about the cars.

I think he pulled it into the garage to clean it out - I was quite interested in Lee's narrative about G and cleaning cars. When I thought about it, it makes sense. G had a used car lot, he would know how to get out stains and smells. He might even have chemicals on hand (chloroform) that he knew worked on stains....he had once made his living this way.

If the smell was as bad as Lee reported, G probably knew he wouldn't be able to get rid of it. However, he could saturate any stains with chemicals to degrade DNA?

Btw- I talked to a friend of my mom's who used to have a smal dry cleaning business (retired 10+ years ago)they also cleaned upholstry and linens. They used chloroform to get out particularly pesky stains. She said it worked great! Especially on items where bleach couldn't be used.

AllMO:)

[impartial]

My eyes are crossed ...

Has anyone finished reading everything?

Is there any information/interviews with the 2 guys that supposedly pushed her car? In other words, have any such guys come forward? If not, I'm beginning to think that Casey sat in the parking lot until the car ran out of gas ... someone posted that theory a few days ago, I don't recall who though.


TIA


IMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

Thanks. I've seen that before. It was on the Breaking News Alerts board one night. It's crazy. And, as bchand said, how could George pull that car into their garage?

I know people think i'm nutso but I think George knows more and may end up getting arrested along with Casey. I am not like some who think he helped kill her or some weird stuff like that but I think he does know more and may have helped cover up the crime to save Casey. JMO and will apologize if I'm wrong.

[kakax]

I"m almost finished reading the 317 pages that were available to be downloaded. Is there more than that? I thought there were 600 pages?

[kakax]

My eyes are crossed ...

Has anyone finished reading everything?

Is there any information/interviews with the 2 guys that supposedly pushed her car? In other words, have any such guys come forward? If not, I'm beginning to think that Casey sat in the parking lot until the car ran out of gas ... someone posted that theory a few days ago, I don't recall who though.


TIA


IMO



I'm thinking she got the idea of the two guys helping her from when she had two flat tires. She likes to pull from previous experiences it seems like.

[Rebel Rouzer]

My eyes are crossed ...

Has anyone finished reading everything?

Is there any information/interviews with the 2 guys that supposedly pushed her car? In other words, have any such guys come forward? If not, I'm beginning to think that Casey sat in the parking lot until the car ran out of gas ... someone posted that theory a few days ago, I don't recall who though.


TIA


IMO

Those 2 guys never existed as far as I know so far.

No I haven't gotten to the end of the docs yet but I'm not far off with getting done. with them.
I just needed a major break.

[bluwaters]

:DI think I knew you in the 70s. Happy reading!
I ....I...I don't remember who I knew in the 70s :biggrin:

[kakax]

Lee said Casey's computer had a "virus" that wiped out everything and was still turned on when he went to pick it up - convenient. Can LE restore the hard drive to get e-mails, etc?

Cindy knew Casey was unemployed or at some time she would have taken Caylee to the park so Casey could take her picture as that was Casey's job.

Did Casey ever have a bank account and how did she pay Zanny?

Lee said he did not think George got near the trunk on the 24th, didn't George in an interview say he did?

LE has a lot of info to chase down - no wonder they are waiting for more charge.

George sounded pretty shady to me - why didn't he go home before 10PM? According to Lee, George suspected Casey of stealing the gas cans but still filed a report with the police - I don't understand that.



I think he had just started a new job and was at work. He supposedly called Lee to help Cindy talk to Casey because he couldn't be there...

[desmom]

I am dying to read Cindy and George's depositions. I want to see if they are trying to paint Casey in the best light possible or if they're honest.

Ditto!

:beer:

[kakax]

Those 2 guys never existed as far as I know so far.

No I haven't gotten to the end of the docs yet but I'm not far off with getting done. with them.
I just needed a major break.



I'm with ya, my head is starting to hurt from reading on the computer LOL! Is this all the documents that are being released...the interviews with Lee and friends?

[impartial]

Those 2 guys never existed as far as I know so far.

No I haven't gotten to the end of the docs yet but I'm not far off with getting done. with them.
I just needed a major break.


If they haven't come forward, they don't exist.

I didn't write things down as I was reading, now I wish I had.

Amy and Casey went to Target to buy a gas can. Can't recall when in relation to the 27th though.

Where is the gas can?

[Rebel Rouzer]

I'm with ya, my head is starting to hurt from reading on the computer LOL! Is this all the documents that are being released...the interviews with Lee and friends?

As far as i know we have more that are coming. Not sure why they are waiting unless it's the media redacting info that we should not see but they didn't do that before. I'm so dizzy i don't know. lol

[msjoni]

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/

LP and Tim Miller on the talk show from Sept 22 2008 radio show, they come on towards the middle after Drew peterson....

[desmom]

I don't know and how about George pulling it right into his garage?

Opening the trunk and windows didn't do the trick. I'd really like to know what else he did to try and get rid of the odor. After all, Lee said he was so meticulous about the cars.

The garage is attached to the house. Why would he pull it into the garage? barf

[kakax]

As far as i know we have more that are coming. Not sure why they are waiting unless it's the media redacting info that we should not see but they didn't do that before. I'm so dizzy i don't know. lol

I actually could use a good night's sleep before reading anymore anyway....my head is spinning too.

[steffaroob4]

Jesse's July 31st interview, page 306 of 317,(1543) says Cindy not cooperating with LE all that much, such as giving dates:eek:

[WillowInFlight]

Yup, Casey's very devious. In the Brittney interview, Cindy told her that Casey would call during June and July and try to meet up with her or try to get her mother to leave the house and that gave Casey an opportunity to sneak back to the house and take stuff she needed, however, Casey never took any of Caylee's things.

Again...very important info if brought to trial. No shoes, no pajamas, no clothes, no dolls, no anything for Caylee...

Ok, I thought I read it right, and poor Amy believed her because she said she once changed her pants in her sleep. LOL. I wish they could just arrest her for being a menace to society. Well I'll say one thing for Princesspantsonfire, she sure has made a name for herself, a name that really won't get her to far in life either.

[OneUp]

Telltale hearts
Provided by Psychology Today

Denying Distress

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=34709

"There are those who overtly manifest distress in the face of negative emotions such as insecurity, anger, sadness, and anxiety. There are those who conceal their vulnerability from others, but not from themselves. And there are those people who are so intent on being invulnerable that they conceal even from themselves any signs of psychological discomfort."
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This discussion of denial is specifically geared to addictions,but it lists common forms of denial in a very readable manner:

http://www.nh-dwi.com/caip-202.htm

"Some defenses are conscious and we are aware of them. Others are subconscious. We use both to keep our denial intact. Listed below are common defenses, or forms of denial. We use all forms of denial, although there are some that become our favorites.
1).SIMPLE DENIAL: Simply denying being chemically dependent.

2).MINIMIZING: Minimizing is admitting the alcohol-related problem to some degree but in such a way that it appears to be much less serious or significant than it actually is.

3).RATIONALIZING: Rationalizing is making excuses or giving reasons to justify your behavior about your drinking or using....The behavior is not denied but an inaccurate explanation of its cause is given.

4).INTELLECTUALIZING or GENERALIZING: Intellectualizing is avoiding emotional, personal awareness of an alcohol-related problem by using theories about your chemical dependency, keeping it general and vague. "My childhood was so bad, it's a way of coping with my underlying feelings."

5).BLAMING: Blaming (also called projecting) is maintaining that the responsibility for the behavior lies somewhere else, not with us.

6).DIVERSION: Diversion is changing the subject to avoid a subject that is felt to be threatening.

7).BARGAINING: Bargaining is cutting deals or setting conditions for when things will be right to deal with the problem.

8).PASSIVITY: Passivity is ignoring the situation, or being it's victim.

9).HOSTILITY: Hostility occurs when the person becomes angry or unpleasantly irritable when the subject of his drinking or using is mentioned, scaring or threatening people away from discussing it...."
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I do waffle back and forth on my opinion about the level of denial at work in the Anthony family at any given time. Frankly, I think it changes from acceptance to denial with every percieved threat and any new developement. I do not believe the entire group to be in constant and total denial, that is just against the odds. They are pretty isolated, like islands unto themselves but I see many things in the men of the family that lead me to believe they have accepted and moved forward in their process.
I do feel that Cindy steps in and out of any reality that leads her close to accept the facts. The closest I think she has come to acceptance, was when she made a statement about being at peace and things being beyond her control. I continue to feel that when she comes fully face to face with the truth she will break and take her emotion out on either Casey or herself. The statement made in someones sig. for a while fits Cindy perfectly..."she saw that two and two was four and started erasing...".
JMO
* these are only two links to discussion of denial that seemed easy toread, I can pull others, but I don't think anyone wants that much in depth reading at this time.

[tashi]

If they haven't come forward, they don't exist.

I didn't write things down as I was reading, now I wish I had.

Amy and Casey went to Target to buy a gas can. Can't recall when in relation to the 27th though.

Where is the gas can?


I think Casey sent a text on June 28 to Amy asking if she has a gas can and on June 30, Amy purchases a gas can at Target for Casey to use...I don't know whatever happened to the gas can after that

I did take a few notes :)

[Takotna]

My eyes are crossed ...

Has anyone finished reading everything?

Is there any information/interviews with the 2 guys that supposedly pushed her car? In other words, have any such guys come forward? If not, I'm beginning to think that Casey sat in the parking lot until the car ran out of gas ... someone posted that theory a few days ago, I don't recall who though.


TIA


IMO

Hi Impartial - I haven't seen anything about the 2 (invisible) guys.
Good idea about sitting in the parking lot...makes sense. She probably set up the other 'out of gas' incident leading up to this. I am still not convinced it was out of gas - Casey's statement said the gauge read 1/2 and when G picked it up it was on E - Something doens't add up (consider the sources)


My gas gauge is dead and has been for a year - it always says 1/4 -
(Guess that's good - I always think I need gas!)

AllMO:)

[Rebel Rouzer]

If they haven't come forward, they don't exist.

I didn't write things down as I was reading, now I wish I had.

Amy and Casey went to Target to buy a gas can. Can't recall when in relation to the 27th though.

Where is the gas can?


I have to say something. It may not be anything at all or it may be something.

When we were down there searching. I would not post this but the individual that was there and tagged it already posted it so I am only repeating something they already made known.

jbella found a can that looked like a newer gas can when we were searching and it was tagged.

Could that mean something? :shrug:

[bchand]

I think he pulled it into the garage to clean it out - I was quite interested in Lee's narrative about G and cleaning cars. When I thought about it, it makes sense. G had a used car lot, he would know how to get out stains and smells. He might even have chemicals on hand (chloroform) that he knew worked on stains....he had once made his living this way.

If the smell was as bad as Lee reported, G probably knew he wouldn't be able to get rid of it. However, he could saturate any stains with chemicals to degrade DNA?

Btw- I talked to a friend of my mom's who used to have a smal dry cleaning business (retired 10+ years ago)they also cleaned upholstry and linens. They used chloroform to get out particularly pesky stains. She said it worked great! Especially on items where bleach couldn't be used.

AllMO:)

Wow good info, thanks. My mind didn't go back to George owning the car lot. What great points you made.

[dixie77]

did i read that right.........Casey had a miscarriage?

[?noanswer]

The garage is attached to the house. Why would he pull it into the garage? barf


One would think the odor would creep in thru the door from the garage to the house. Guess it wasn't there over a day before LE removed it. I think GA tried to clean it using the Arm & Hammer.

Casey most likely was planning this for quite a while. It came to a head after the argument on Father's day evening. One thing Casey didn't factor into her plan was the smell. I think that came as a surprise to her.

JMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

did i read that right.........Casey had a miscarriage?

Unless we hear medical proof I don't know what to believe about that

[bchand]

did i read that right.........Casey had a miscarriage?

According to her, yes. With yet another male in her life, Brandon.

[impartial]

I have to say something. It may not be anything at all or it may be something.

When we were down there searching. I would not post this but the individual that was there and tagged it already posted it so I am only repeating something they already made known.

jbella found a can that looked like a newer gas can when we were searching and it was tagged.

Could that mean something? :shrug:


Is that a different one than the red one that the pictures were released?

[WillowInFlight]

My eyes are crossed ...

Has anyone finished reading everything?

Is there any information/interviews with the 2 guys that supposedly pushed her car? In other words, have any such guys come forward? If not, I'm beginning to think that Casey sat in the parking lot until the car ran out of gas ... someone posted that theory a few days ago, I don't recall who though.


TIA


IMO

I'm in the middle of Troy Brown's statement.

[Motomom]

Hey all :seeya:So nice to finally sit down here and be able to read ahhh.

I'm down to Amy's interview and one thing I wanted to mention, the first thing is, why didn't Cindy question Tony or the roommate where Caylee was? Why wasn't she looking around and mentioning no toys, no Caylee, no nothing? I thought that was odd. Amy's interview, was interesting that she said JP Chatt was even less involved (or words to those effect) and that JP never really liked Casey. I wonder why? And Isabelle, was thinking of you when I read that part, what do you think of that part of the conversation. I almost thought it odd that Amy (so far up to where I read) said that about Chatt and didn't say it about any others.

Interesting all around and can't know how my opinions will be changing by the time I'm done reading them. Anyone read them all yet?

[kakax]

Wow good info, thanks. My mind didn't go back to George owning the car lot. What great points you made.

My family owns a car lot and I can tell you, first hand knowledge, none of us know about chloroform and cleaning a car. (I had a pretty bad stain from a slurpee that had spilled and we went around and around trying to get the stain out because it was a demo)

[Rebel Rouzer]

Is that a different one than the red one that the pictures were released?


I don't know of any pictures being released of the red can jbella found? Sorry I'm lost on that

[OneUp]

I was thinking about that the other night. After hearing about all the men she dated I wondered just how many pregnancies Casey had over the years.If, ( big if....Casey lies, etc.) she were to have recently had a miscarriage, it would be something that could have contributed to other pressures.That could have to add to her feelings of being trapped by a life she didn't want and was never happy in. The fear of more unwanted pregnancies would create strain on any woman, though thast fear can be readily managed with Birth control ( at least by a normal woman).
I imagine it is more likely that she is one of "those" women that lie about a "miscarriage" to cause distress in a man as "punishment" for the wrongs they percieve him to have done.
I've seen it done over and over and I never get why it is gratifying to upset someone like that, but it seems a common tool of manipulation for some.
JMO.

[?noanswer]

did i read that right.........Casey had a miscarriage?


Yes you read it right, but don't know if it was true. If she was playing musical beds as much as it seems, I think she probably had more than one. JMO

[?noanswer]

Maybe he got rid of the body by himself. The popsicles and frozen chicken from TonE's statement bothered me also. Why did Casey need to go to someone's house to shower so soon after leaving TonE's house on the 27th after she ran out of gas? Was that confirmed?

According to Jesse, he didn't think she needed a shower. She probably used that as an excuse to get into his place so she could hang out. JMO

[~jomomma~]

I find this weird. Isn't Richard the father of Jesse? what in the world is he doing running around checking his sons fiance's myspace and then someone she was talking to. I would disown my father for a stunt like that when i was an adult.

imo

heh heh....if some girl my son was dating came in looking pregnant and she said she was not but having woman issues...you bet i'd be checking into her!

they welcomed that lying thief into their home and treated her baby like it was one of 'theirs'

[impartial]

Why does that car smell so bad? Usually, once the source is removed, the smell dissipates. On the 17th, Casey backs the car into the garage. On the 18th or 19th, Casey borrows the shovel. Where's Caylee from the 16th to the 18/19th ... in the car? Doesn't need a shovel if in the car, so in the backyard? And if in the backyard, transferred to the car, how long would she had to have been in the trunk for the smell to be horrendous on the 15th of July. George claims he got the gas cans out of the trunk on the 24th, and no smell (I haven't read George's interview yet, it may clear this up) Is it possible that Caylee was in the backyard until after the 24th, then in the car until the 27th.

:shrug:


IMO

[desmom]

Is everyone busy reading tonight? I thought this place would be hopping faster than it is but it's not. I guess everyone is busy reading or got a headache from reading and went to bed?

Still reading. I am just starting Wm. Waters interview.

Some of it I have to read twice because I am :eek: and think I read it wrong. I think Troy said it best on page 145:

"She, actually it was weird. It was kind of like a, almost a roller coaster because it seemed like she was very carefree. More carefree than what she normally was.........she was very carefree and I guess loving life, and then there was the interaction with her family, and that's when she would, you know, be visibly upset."

jmo

[bchand]

My family owns a car lot and I can tell you, first hand knowledge, none of us know about chloroform and cleaning a car. (I had a pretty bad stain from a slurpee that had spilled and we went around and around trying to get the stain out because it was a demo)

Thanks kakax - I guess a car wash business would know better how to clean stains.

I once was taking a huge amount of meatballs and sauce to a party and it spilled all over my back seat. I had no clue where to take it to be cleaned but stopped in a car wash place. They cleaned it so thoroughly, you never would know it had been spilt in the car.

[bluwaters]

Nancy Grace, 9/23

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7LTLaKRaME

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f6CPfOJdQU

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssdu3y1ztpE

[Takotna]

I have to say something. It may not be anything at all or it may be something.

When we were down there searching. I would not post this but the individual that was there and tagged it already posted it so I am only repeating something they already made known.

jbella found a can that looked like a newer gas can when we were searching and it was tagged.

Could that mean something? :shrug:

Good question - I got the impression Amy bought it for Casey to use thinking it would be handy to have one anyway. Then Casey used Amy's car....

This gas thing bugs me again - I think there are probably several gas cans that may be unaccounted for.

The tagged one just may be important.

AllMO:)

[OneUp]

Is everyone busy reading tonight? I thought this place would be hopping faster than it is but it's not. I guess everyone is busy reading or got a headache from reading and went to bed?Yes Reb. I've been reading...now I am processing. I have to say none of the adults in this family are getting high marks from me right now. Not based on what I've read.
I read the first 300 odd pages, waiting for the rest now.

I need to be writing something for a friend, but I am just not really feeling so compassionate at this time IYKWIM?

I'm just trying to absorb some of the more horrific details...
JMO.

[impartial]

I don't know of any pictures being released of the red can jbella found? Sorry I'm lost on that


I think the red can was before TES searches.

Perhaps after my mind is no longer mush, I will search for the link to the red gas can that was found during an earlier search.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Why does that car smell so bad? Usually, once the source is removed, the smell dissipates. On the 17th, Casey backs the car into the garage. On the 18th or 19th, Casey borrows the shovel. Where's Caylee from the 16th to the 18/19th ... in the car? Doesn't need a shovel if in the car, so in the backyard? And if in the backyard, transferred to the car, how long would she had to have been in the trunk for the smell to be horrendous on the 15th of July. George claims he got the gas cans out of the trunk on the 24th, and no smell (I haven't read George's interview yet, it may clear this up) Is it possible that Caylee was in the backyard until after the 24th, then in the car until the 27th.

:shrug:


IMO

Once the source is removed is not always true and if she and I'm sickened to say this. excretions from bodily fluid from a dead person would still be basicly heating up and smelling terrible in the summer heat in the trunk in Florida.

We don't know how long she had her in there before desposing of her. IMO

[Fallen Angel]

Nancy Grace, 9/23

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7LTLaKRaME

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f6CPfOJdQU

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssdu3y1ztpE

I loved how she spoke to Kolby tonight :D

[steffaroob4]

I am missing page 1548, the end of jesse's july 31st interview:flamemad:

[kakax]

Thanks kakax - I guess a car wash business would know better how to clean stains.

I once was taking a huge amount of meatballs and sauce to a party and it spilled all over my back seat. I had no clue where to take it to be cleaned but stopped in a car wash place. They cleaned it so thoroughly, you never would know it had been spilt in the car.


Could be....I just have never heard of the detail guys ordering chloroform to get stains out. I don't think its common practice. They have special stuff they use, but I can't imagine chloroform being on that list. You can bet I'll ask in the morning rofl!

[?noanswer]

Why does that car smell so bad? Usually, once the source is removed, the smell dissipates. On the 17th, Casey backs the car into the garage. On the 18th or 19th, Casey borrows the shovel. Where's Caylee from the 16th to the 18/19th ... in the car? Doesn't need a shovel if in the car, so in the backyard? And if in the backyard, transferred to the car, how long would she had to have been in the trunk for the smell to be horrendous on the 15th of July. George claims he got the gas cans out of the trunk on the 24th, and no smell (I haven't read George's interview yet, it may clear this up) Is it possible that Caylee was in the backyard until after the 24th, then in the car until the 27th.

:shrug:


IMO

I think the body fluids leaked into the carpet. From what eveyone says, the smell is like no other. It had been about 17/18 days since the vehicle was left at Amscot before it ended up at the Anthony's. I think it might be possible that the body was in the backyard and then moved. JMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

I think the red can was before TES searches.

Perhaps after my mind is no longer mush, I will search for the link to the red gas can that was found during an earlier search.

Well jbella posted about the search we were on and she did find a can that resembled a newer gas can If i remember correctly and that would not have had pictures posted.

[steffaroob4]

I am missing page 1548, the end of jesse's july 31st interview:flamemad:

found it on the fox link, whew
page 1548 (http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092308jessegrund/1/lg/DOC_20080923141304_000_Page_45.htm)

[Rebel Rouzer]

Yes Reb. I've been reading...now I am processing. I have to say none of the adults in this family are getting high marks from me right now. Not based on what I've read.
I read the first 300 odd pages, waiting for the rest now.

I need to be writing something for a friend, but I am just not really feeling so compassionate at this time IYKWIM?

I'm just trying to absorb some of the more horrific details...
JMO.

I understand sweetie. It's ok I truly understand everything you just said and how you are feeling.

:seeya:

[spiritwolf46]

Nancy Grace, 9/23

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7LTLaKRaME

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f6CPfOJdQU

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssdu3y1ztpE

You are the best Blu! Thank you! I missed a couple of things so this will help!

[OneUp]

Lee said Casey's computer had a "virus" that wiped out everything and was still turned on when he went to pick it up - convenient. Can LE restore the hard drive to get e-mails, etc?

Cindy knew Casey was unemployed or at some time she would have taken Caylee to the park so Casey could take her picture as that was Casey's job.

Did Casey ever have a bank account and how did she pay Zanny?

Lee said he did not think George got near the trunk on the 24th, didn't George in an interview say he did?

LE has a lot of info to chase down - no wonder they are waiting for more charge.

George sounded pretty shady to me - why didn't he go home before 10PM? According to Lee, George suspected Casey of stealing the gas cans but still filed a report with the police - I don't understand that.That bit about Lee telling the Det. that Caseys harddrive was wiped out bugs me a little. Did Casey have that much computer saavy?
Did anyone else get the idea that maybe someone wiped it out FOR her?
If she had cleaned her laptop before Cindy came to get her, why did she need Lee to go to her Myspace, Facebook, etc. to "take care of things? She gave him her passwords to do so didn't she?
...Thinking on this, and I think I'll re-read Lee's interview later when all is quiet.
JMO.

[desmom]

One would think the odor would creep in thru the door from the garage to the house. Guess it wasn't there over a day before LE removed it. I think GA tried to clean it using the Arm & Hammer.

Casey most likely was planning this for quite a while. It came to a head after the argument on Father's day evening. One thing Casey didn't factor into her plan was the smell. I think that came as a surprise to her.

JMO

DH just passed through on his way to bed. He suggested George didn't want any of the neighbors stopping by and asking "what the heck is that stench?"

I definitely think the smell surprised Casey.

[Motomom]

Maybe he got rid of the body by himself. The popsicles and frozen chicken from TonE's statement bothered me also. Why did Casey need to go to someone's house to shower so soon after leaving TonE's house on the 27th after she ran out of gas? Was that confirmed?

That stuck out to me too. The popsicles and frozen chicken. I just read it, but forget , that was when he picked up her from the amscot? I might have to go back.

[bchand]

I am missing page 1548, the end of jesse's july 31st interview:flamemad:

I see page 1548 here steff:

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092308jessegrund/1/lg/DOC_20080923141304_000_Page_45.htm

[~jomomma~]

I think he had just started a new job and was at work. He supposedly called Lee to help Cindy talk to Casey because he couldn't be there...


is that the day George brought the car home? so, he picked the car up (smelling like it did), drove it home then left?

sorry, sometimes i just get confused...LOL


is that Baez's truck in their driveway? and isn't that casey's light on?

is she hiding in her room? :tongue:

[martha]

I also think that the phone call to Amy about her car smelling horrible on June 25th was big news. It establishes that the smell was in the car before it was abandoned at amscot and before it went and sat at the impound lot for two weeks. I think george looked in the trunk on the 24th is that right? if so he saw more that the gas cans or at least smelled something. I still think the a's know a lot more than they ro telling. Does lee studder? I read some of his statement and boy he was having a hard time of it. I really think lee knows a lot too. jmho :rose:

[Rebel Rouzer]

My guess would be that Probability Theory would indicate that a gas can found is not related to Caylee Lost.

Could be, of course, but I think the odds would be prohibitive.

Well we were searching in the areas TES designated. It probably is nothin but they did tag it. So who knows whether or not it was related or not.

[impartial]

Once the source is removed is not always true and if she and I'm sickened to say this. excretions from bodily fluid from a dead person would still be basicly heating up and smelling terrible in the summer heat in the trunk in Florida.

We don't know how long she had her in there before desposing of her. IMO


I would imagine however that the decomposition would have to be more than a day for the smell to rise to that level. The studies on the air testing indicated that the 1st decomposition chemicals weren't discernable until 10 days, with the majority of them not until a month passed. Of course, the bodies were in shallow graves, and not a trunk.

But, for the odor to be so completely permeable to the entire garage, I would speculate that the body had to be in a later decomposing stage vs. an earlier one ... so perhaps Caylee was in the backyard for a time, then transferred to the trunk. Casey was going to the house only when empty. Just a guess though.

IMO

[?noanswer]

My guess would be that Probability Theory would indicate that a gas can found is not related to Caylee Lost.

Could be, of course, but I think the odds would be prohibitive.


My spouse just found several gas cans in the woods by our house. They washed up during Gustav. I think I'll tell him, he needs to have them fingerprinted!! JMO

[bchand]

That bit about Lee telling the Det. that Caseys harddrive was wiped out bugs me a little. Did Casey have that much computer saavy?
Did anyone else get the idea that maybe someone wiped it out FOR her?
If she had cleaned her laptop before Cindy came to get her, why did she need Lee to go to her Myspace, Facebook, etc. to "take care of things? She gave him her passwords to do so didn't she?
...Thinking on this, and I think I'll re-read Lee's interview later when all is quiet.
JMO.

Oh my hinky meter definitely went off with that issue also. Lee tried to act so computer-savy but I don't think he is. He seem stumped when the detectives mention that Casey did indeed access her photobucket acct up to a specific date in July on a computer OTHER than the one Lee said went down. I think someone wiped out her Yahoo acct on purpose, yes.

[WillowInFlight]

Hey all :seeya:So nice to finally sit down here and be able to read ahhh.

I'm down to Amy's interview and one thing I wanted to mention, the first thing is, why didn't Cindy question Tony or the roommate where Caylee was? Why wasn't she looking around and mentioning no toys, no Caylee, no nothing? I thought that was odd. Amy's interview, was interesting that she said JP Chatt was even less involved (or words to those effect) and that JP never really liked Casey. I wonder why? And Isabelle, was thinking of you when I read that part, what do you think of that part of the conversation. I almost thought it odd that Amy (so far up to where I read) said that about Chatt and didn't say it about any others.

Interesting all around and can't know how my opinions will be changing by the time I'm done reading them. Anyone read them all yet?
I thought that very odd, Cindy says get your stuff you're coming home, why didn't she ask where Caylee was or say get yours and Caylee's stuff?:shrug:

[steffaroob4]

I see page 1548 here steff:

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092308jessegrund/1/lg/DOC_20080923141304_000_Page_45.htm


Thanks, the sentinal link is missing that page, my head is killing me, maybe I should go to bedhammer

[Rebel Rouzer]

I would imagine however that the decomposition would have to be more than a day for the smell to rise to that level. The studies on the air testing indicated that the 1st decomposition chemicals weren't discernable until 10 days, with the majority of them not until a month passed. Of course, the bodies were in shallow graves, and not a trunk.

But, for the odor to be so completely permeable to the entire garage, I would speculate that the body had to be in a later decomposing stage vs. an earlier one ... so perhaps Caylee was in the backyard for a time, then transferred to the trunk. Casey was going to the house only when empty. Just a guess though.

IMO


OR In the trunk for longer than we think.

JMO

[?noanswer]

Oh my hinky meter definitely went off with that issue also. Lee tried to act so computer-savy but I don't think he is. He seem stumped when the detectives mention that Casey did indeed access her photobucket acct up to a specific date in July on a computer OTHER than the one Lee said went down. I think someone wiped out her Yahoo acct on purpose, yes.

I wonder if LE knows whose computer it was! JMO

[bchand]

Thanks, the sentinal link is missing that page, my head is killing me, maybe I should go to bedhammer

Me too, but I'll be rereading these documents over and over I'm sure.

[~jomomma~]

Thanks kakax - I guess a car wash business would know better how to clean stains.

I once was taking a huge amount of meatballs and sauce to a party and it spilled all over my back seat. I had no clue where to take it to be cleaned but stopped in a car wash place. They cleaned it so thoroughly, you never would know it had been spilt in the car.

i had a gallon of milk spill one time on the way home from the store. the lid was not tight on it and i set it on my seat.

oh....my.....gosh........

i had to take the seat out and replace the cushion. it was summer and it got so bad after a couple of days (even after i thought i cleaned it) i thought i was going to barf

[spiritwolf46]

Night all. Going off to :read: a little.

Have a great evening and prayers for little Caylee. :rose:

[anyonesguess]

I thought there was 600 pages of documents released? What I read was a lot, but not 600 pages I don't think, but maybe it was? Am I missing a link to the rest of the document dump somewhere?


The neighbor saw a green truck in the driveway one day as well. That is new to me, and maybe Casey did have an accomplice?

[bchand]

I wonder if LE knows whose computer it was! JMO


Well Lee suggested it could have been Tony's. He said he noticed another computer in the apt.

[joolz]

This has probably been answered more than once, but does anybody know how long it took LE to take the car away? From Lee's statement it sounds like that stench must have been obvious to anyone who even got near the garage from inside the house. And I assume that there's a door from the garage that leads into the house, probably the kitchen. Do we know if LE asked about it when they first went to the house?

[bchand]

I thought there was 600 pages of documents released? What I read was a lot, but not 600 pages. Am I missing a link to the rest of the document dump somewhere?


The neighbor saw a green truck in the driveway one day as well. That is new to me, and maybe Casey did have an accomplice?


Oh that's right - a green pick up truck AND a white male.

We've only seen about 300 and some pages so far. Like the last time, they were released so quickly they had everyone's phone #s on them. I think they had to take time and black out all that personal info. That may be what's taking so long releasing the rest of the documents.

[impartial]

Oh my hinky meter definitely went off with that issue also. Lee tried to act so computer-savy but I don't think he is. He seem stumped when the detectives mention that Casey did indeed access her photobucket acct up to a specific date in July on a computer OTHER than the one Lee said went down. I think someone wiped out her Yahoo acct on purpose, yes.


Mine too, but maybe not for the same reasons.

Also, when Amy related that Tony read her a text message from Casey about spending an eternity behind bars if they find her supposedly sent on the 16th, the detective stated there's no way she could have texted him that, because she was arrested on the 16th. :eek:

Didn't Tony have her cell phone, and that's how he was able to get a hold of Amy?

I knew I should have taken notes. :(

IMO

[anyonesguess]

Oh that's right - a green pick up truck AND a white male.

We've only seen about 300 and some pages so far. Like the last time, they were released so quickly they had everyone's phone #s on them. I think they had to take time and black out all that personal info. That may be what's taking so long releasing the rest of the documents.


bchand, TY. I know it was a lot, I feel like I am blind :confused:

But I am very curious about that green pickup truck and the guy that was in it. Wonder who owns a green truck (s-10 size) that Casey knows?

[Rebel Rouzer]

This has probably been answered more than once, but does anybody know how long it took LE to take the car away? From Lee's statement it sounds like that stench must have been obvious to anyone who even got near the garage from inside the house. And I assume that there's a door from the garage that leads into the house, probably the kitchen. Do we know if LE asked about it when they first went to the house?

I think they knewexactly what that smell was when they rolled up into that house and that garage.

I cannot wait to get the rest of the information and the documents released

[anyonesguess]

This has probably been answered more than once, but does anybody know how long it took LE to take the car away? From Lee's statement it sounds like that stench must have been obvious to anyone who even got near the garage from inside the house. And I assume that there's a door from the garage that leads into the house, probably the kitchen. Do we know if LE asked about it when they first went to the house?

No, I have no idea joolz. He said he kept having to go outside to get air because the smell was so bad, yet he states Casey told him she was doing stakeouts in the car? :confused:

[beetlebrow]

Nancy Grace, 9/23

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7LTLaKRaME

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f6CPfOJdQU

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssdu3y1ztpE


UGH........Just read through all the new Docs........my head is HURTS!!!!

Do you know how hard it is going to be for us to look stuff up now? :D

I missed NG because I was reading.......Bless you Bluewaters for posting this.....I'm gonna watch.....be back in a bit.......

[bchand]

Mine too, but maybe not for the same reasons.

Also, when Amy related that Tony read her a text message from Casey about spending an eternity behind bars if they find her supposedly sent on the 16th, the detective stated there's no way she could have texted him that, because she was arrested on the 16th. :eek:

Didn't Tony have her cell phone, and that's how he was able to get a hold of Amy?

I knew I should have taken notes. :(

IMO

Yes Tony contacted Amy via Casey's cell phone. That supposed text msg WAS confusing. I'll have to reread that also.

The quote was - if they "never" find her, guess who will spend an eternity behind bars.

[Takotna]

I would imagine however that the decomposition would have to be more than a day for the smell to rise to that level. The studies on the air testing indicated that the 1st decomposition chemicals weren't discernable until 10 days, with the majority of them not until a month passed. Of course, the bodies were in shallow graves, and not a trunk.

But, for the odor to be so completely permeable to the entire garage, I would speculate that the body had to be in a later decomposing stage vs. an earlier one ... so perhaps Caylee was in the backyard for a time, then transferred to the trunk. Casey was going to the house only when empty. Just a guess though.

IMO

This makes the most sense to me.
I was interested in the 'two flat tires' story. I thought this was quite weird. However, it brings up the possibility that the spare tire spot in Casey's trunk was available to put something else in. (Out of sight-out of mind) until the smell developed....
I think G smelled it on the 24th.

AllMO:)

[impartial]

Yes Tony contacted Amy via Casey's cell phone. That supposed text msg WAS confusing. I'll have to reread that also.

The quote was - if they "never" find her, guess who will spend an eternity behind bars.



That's right .. Thanks. :seeya:

[Rebel Rouzer]

You were doing more than most of the rest of us and I admire you for doing it!

I'm sure TES had you tag everything that looked like it could be of "value".

As you said, it was probably nothing but I guess that is part of the search - to bring anything suspicious to the attention of those who can determine if it is "evidence" or not.

Again, Congrats for doing what you did!

Thanks but I was more focused on the gas can issue that just came out about Casey and Amy. George Anthony said he saw his gas cans in the trunk of the car. Where is the one Amy and Casey got?

If the can that jbella found is nothing then thats ok too but I'm wondering if that can is of value then would Caylee or other evidence be in that vacinity ?

Just thinking out loud here and asking opinions. Thats all

[OneUp]

I think Casey sent a text on June 28 to Amy asking if she has a gas can and on June 30, Amy purchases a gas can at Target for Casey to use...I don't know whatever happened to the gas can after that

I did take a few notes :)That was a nice thing for Amy to do for casey, look how she was repaid.:(
Even worse, I think of all the things "others" have saaid about Amy...ugly things suggesting she was involved in Caylee's disappearance. I hope some have the good sense to be ashamed of themselves, but I doubt it. More likely they are seeking the next victim to accuse.
JMO.

[anyonesguess]

This makes the most sense to me.
I was interested in the 'two flat tires' story. I thought this was quite weird. However, it brings up the possibility that the spare tire spot in Casey's trunk was available to put something else in. (Out of sight-out of mind) until the smell developed....
I think G smelled it on the 24th.

AllMO:)

The other thing I found odd was GA has told his gas can story and about the wedge's he was looking for etc. He stated when he opened the trunk Casey said Sorry, etc

According to the statements today she flung them at her dad and dropped an F bomb saying here are the bleeping gas cans.

Sounds like 2 completely different stories to me. Lee also mentions that GA KNEW those cans were in Casey's trunk, that she had taken them.

[tashi]

I think george looked in the trunk on the 24th is that right? if so he saw more that the gas cans or at least smelled something. I still think the a's know a lot more than they ro telling. Does lee studder? I read some of his statement and boy he was having a hard time of it. I really think lee knows a lot too. jmho :rose:


Lee's version to LE is different than George's explanation to Greta.

Lee seemed to suggest that Casey got the gas cans from the trunk and forcefully gave them to George saying "here are your f***ing gas cans" Nice huh?

Lee also seemed to think George didn't get that close to the trunk...who knows who's telling the truth. I really can't tell with this family.

I still want to read George's deposition to see what he swears is the truth.

[impartial]

Thanks but I was more focused on the gas can issue that just came out about Casey and Amy. George Anthony said he saw his gas cans in the trunk of the car. Where is the one Amy and Casey got?

If the can that jbella found is nothing then thats ok too but I'm wondering if that can is of value then would Caylee or other evidence be in that vacinity ?

Just thinking out loud here and asking opinions. Thats all


If that gas can has Casey's fingerprints on it, it's another nail.

IMO

[charm7]

Could be....I just have never heard of the detail guys ordering chloroform to get stains out. I don't think its common practice. They have special stuff they use, but I can't imagine chloroform being on that list. You can bet I'll ask in the morning rofl!



From what I know of chloroform you would be knocked out before you could clean with it.

[impartial]

The other thing I found odd was GA has told his gas can story and about the wedge's he was looking for etc. He stated when he opened the trunk Casey said Sorry, etc

According to the statements today she flung them at her dad and dropped an F bomb saying here are the bleeping gas cans.

Sounds like 2 completely different stories to me. Lee also mentions that GA KNEW those cans were in Casey's trunk, that she had taken them.


But, in the follow up questions, Lee said his father would know more than he did about whether George was near/looked into the trunk. Lee was not there when it happened.

IMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

If that gas can has Casey's fingerprints on it, it's another nail.

IMO


Well true that would seal her fait for sure.

Sorry for thinking out loud so much tonight just so much information and questions. Wanting opinions on them.

[anyonesguess]

But, in the follow up questions, Lee said his father would know more than he did about whether George was near/looked into the trunk. Lee was not there when it happened.

IMO

Impartial, I agree with you partially, but GA's story was very specific about what happened, and yet Lee knew much detail about her flinging them at GA and dropping the F'bomb. George NEVER mentions that at all in his interview on GVS. He sugar-coated it, and he and Cindy chuckled about it. That is the night Cindy had her hand on GA's leg, and when he got to the part about the trunk, she grabbed his hand, like he was going to reveal too much imo. :confused:

[bluwaters]

I think its possible George helped her bury Caylee.
I do too. I think that G saw Caylee's remains on june 24 in the trunk. He has been helping Casey to conceal the crime. I don't think that Cindy knew until after she made the 3rd, frantic 911 call. After that, it was close ranks and try to salvage Casey so she doesn't spend her life in prison.

jmho

[rosejustrose]

Mine too, but maybe not for the same reasons.

Also, when Amy related that Tony read her a text message from Casey about spending an eternity behind bars if they find her supposedly sent on the 16th, the detective stated there's no way she could have texted him that, because she was arrested on the 16th. :eek:

Didn't Tony have her cell phone, and that's how he was able to get a hold of Amy?

I knew I should have taken notes. :(

IMO

IIRC, Casey's cell phone was given to Lee the night of 15 July when he went to Tony's to pick up her stuff. IIRC in her first jailhouse call Casey said she wanted tony's # because she did not get a chance to talk to him that morning. Maybe she did text him because he wouldn't answer the phone. :shrug:

[anyonesguess]

I do too. I think that G saw Caylee's remains on june 24 in the trunk. He has been helping Casey to conceal the crime. I don't think that Cindy knew until after she made the 3rd, frantic 911 call. After that, it was close ranks and try to salvage Casey so she doesn't spend her life in prison.

jmho

And Casey was VERY emotional when she saw her dad at her bond hearing. IIRC when she was FIRST bonded out and pulled in the garage, she got out of the vehicle, and hugged her dad and said I love you, and when she got to Cindy, Cindy said Hey, and casey kept going inside the house saying I want to take a shower.

[tashi]

Impartial, I agree with you partially, but GA's story was very specific about what happened, and yet Lee knew much detail about her flinging them at GA and dropping the F'bomb. George NEVER mentions that at all in his interview on GVS. He sugar-coated it, and he and Cindy chuckled about it. That is the night Cindy had her hand on GA's leg, and when he got to the part about the truck, she grabbed his hand, like he was going to reveal too much imo. :confused:


George's story on Greta sounded like a Beaver Cleaver story...Wise dad knew she had them and Casey saying Oh gosh Dad, sorry about taking the gas cans.

Lee's version sounded like the Casey we heard from her first jail house call...f bombs flying

[joolz]

That was a nice thing for Amy to do for casey, look how she was repaid.:(
Even worse, I think of all the things "others" have saaid about Amy...ugly things suggesting she was involved in Caylee's disappearance. I hope some have the good sense to be ashamed of themselves, but I doubt it. More likely they are seeking the next victim to accuse.
JMO.


Great post OneUp! I hope those "others" who have been so quick to point their fingers at anyone but the Anthony(s) read it.

[bluwaters]

The garage is attached to the house. Why would he pull it into the garage? barf
So the neighbors wouldn't smell it. George knew exactly what it was and whose body caused it. :( He wanted to clean it up before LE took the car for testing. He knew what to do to clean it too.

jmho

[impartial]

I was surprised when Ricardo said Casey told him Zenita's (Zenaida) name when they first started dating in February.

And for clarification ... I thought I read many times that Tony said the last time he saw Caylee was on the 2nd, when she was at the pool. His interview reveals seeing her between the 9th and the 11th/12th.

IMO

[Takotna]

The other thing I found odd was GA has told his gas can story and about the wedge's he was looking for etc. He stated when he opened the trunk Casey said Sorry, etc

According to the statements today she flung them at her dad and dropped an F bomb saying here are the bleeping gas cans.

Sounds like 2 completely different stories to me. Lee also mentions that GA KNEW those cans were in Casey's trunk, that she had taken them.

Here's a wild stab at this.....Perhaps there's a speck of truth in both stories.

Lee's statement was on 7/29 perhaps in their after-the-fact deception they were trying to distance G from the trunk on the 24th.

By the GVS interview, perhaps G thought it wise to put himself closer to the trunk so he could say gas-cans, yes...smell, no....body, no.
G's story was uncomfortable and I didn't believe it.

Yes, I think their statements have been calculated from the beginning. I do think Lee's report of how Casey gave the gascans back is more accurate than G's account.

AllMO:)

[rosejustrose]

Thanks but I was more focused on the gas can issue that just came out about Casey and Amy. George Anthony said he saw his gas cans in the trunk of the car. Where is the one Amy and Casey got?

If the can that jbella found is nothing then thats ok too but I'm wondering if that can is of value then would Caylee or other evidence be in that vacinity ?

Just thinking out loud here and asking opinions. Thats all

Hi RR! I asked about the can earlier on the other thread and had to step away for a few hours. Who found it???? TIA.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I was surprised when Ricardo said Casey told him Zenita's (Zenaida) name when they first started dating in February.

And for clarification ... I thought I read many times that Tony said the last time he saw Caylee was on the 2nd, when she was at the pool. His interview reveals seeing her between the 9th and the 11th/12th.

IMO

I remember reading about him seeing her between those dates.

[anyonesguess]

George's story on Greta sounded like a Beaver Cleaver story...Wise dad knew she had them and Casey saying Oh gosh Dad, sorry about taking the gas cans.

Lee's version sounded like the Casey we heard from her first jail house call...f bombs flying

Tashi, you stated it much better than me. It was the Beaver Cleaver version.

Lee's version was the exorcist version, and I believe Lee's story more than GA's.

[bluwaters]

Hi Impartial - I haven't seen anything about the 2 (invisible) guys.
Good idea about sitting in the parking lot...makes sense. She probably set up the other 'out of gas' incident leading up to this. I am still not convinced it was out of gas - Casey's statement said the gauge read 1/2 and when G picked it up it was on E - Something doens't add up (consider the sources)


My gas gauge is dead and has been for a year - it always says 1/4 -
(Guess that's good - I always think I need gas!)

AllMO:)

Cindy said that a friend of Casey's fixed the gas gauge after the theft of GAs gas on the 24th. That was on the Greta interview in the house.

jmho

[charm7]

Impartial, I agree with you partially, but GA's story was very specific about what happened, and yet Lee knew much detail about her flinging them at GA and dropping the F'bomb. George NEVER mentions that at all in his interview on GVS. He sugar-coated it, and he and Cindy chuckled about it. That is the night Cindy had her hand on GA's leg, and when he got to the part about the trunk, she grabbed his hand, like he was going to reveal too much imo. :confused:


A lie is always full of detail.
I think that's where the phrase "SIMPLE Truth" comes from :read:

[anyonesguess]

Hi RR! I asked about the can earlier on the other thread and had to step away for a few hours. Who found it???? TIA.

I think they said Jbella found A gas can on the TES search? :eek:

Someone correct me if I am wrong. Seriously my head hurst from reading so much.

One other thing I noted, is I have NEVER in my life seen the word ABSOLUTELY used so much by one family in all my life!

I am ABSOLUTELY sick of that word, and I absolutely mean that! hammer

[OneUp]

I thought that very odd, Cindy says get your stuff you're coming home, why didn't she ask where Caylee was or say get yours and Caylee's stuff?:shrug:
ITA, that was odd to say the least. Of course, that was what was said in front of the guys. There's no telling what was said outside when Amy left the area to sit on the steps.
I'm sure Casey had told Cindy already that Caylee was "with the nanny".
That still doesn't explain either that she didn't mention Caylee's things too or that she didn't ask where the stuff she might have assumed was bought for Caylee recently was.
It does seem odd...:shrug:Not sure what to think on that?

[Rebel Rouzer]

Hi RR! I asked about the can earlier on the other thread and had to step away for a few hours. Who found it???? TIA.

Like I said I wouldn't post or say anything but since she already posted it a while back.

jbella found a can resemlbling a newre gas can *This is my interpretation from the descriptsion given while there*

It was tagged because anything that looked of value would be marked with our orange flags and then Team leader would determine whether it was important enough to mark and all that to have checked out.

I just found that striking after reading about Casey and Amy and another gas can.

[tashi]

Tashi, you stated it much better than me. It was the Beaver Cleaver version.

Lee's version was the exorcist version, and I believe Lee's story more than GA's.


LOL, the exorcist version...Casey does seem a little possessed to me :)

[impartial]

IIRC, Casey's cell phone was given to Lee the night of 15 July when he went to Tony's to pick up her stuff. IIRC in her first jailhouse call Casey said she wanted tony's # because she did not get a chance to talk to him that morning. Maybe she did text him because he wouldn't answer the phone. :shrug:


Weren't the police at the house when Lee returned from Tony's with her things? An officer grabbed something out of her wallet, and walked out of the room when they dumped the bag out, then back in.

I guess I assumed that once Lee had her phone, she no longer had user privileges. He was using it to call people. :shrug:

[anyonesguess]

A lie is always full of detail.
I think that's where the phrase "SIMPLE Truth" comes from :read:

charm you are so right. I bet CA grilled GA for hours that day before the interview with GVS to get the "script" straight. Do not deviate, do not pass go.

[OneUp]

This has probably been answered more than once, but does anybody know how long it took LE to take the car away? From Lee's statement it sounds like that stench must have been obvious to anyone who even got near the garage from inside the house. And I assume that there's a door from the garage that leads into the house, probably the kitchen. Do we know if LE asked about it when they first went to the house?
It was towed on the 16th per the first doc. dump. So only about 24 hours after the inital 911 calls.

[anyonesguess]

Weren't the police at the house when Lee returned from Tony's with her things? An officer grabbed something out of her wallet, and walked out of the room when they dumped the bag out, then back in.

I guess I assumed that once Lee had her phone, she no longer had user privileges. He was using it to call people. :shrug:

And Cindy took the 140-200$ that was in the wallet while the police were not looking. Talk about a sneaky snake!!!

[barskin&co.]

And Cindy took the 140-200$ that was in the wallet while the police were not looking. Talk about a sneaky snake!!!

Lord. We have Cindy the Booster, LeePal...what next?

[aubrey04]

Those documents were just a strange read.. and my brain feels like it went on a mental marathon that lasted weeks on end. It feels fried after reading and re-reading those documents. I had to re-read portions because I either didn't follow the line of questioning, the answers and/or the timeline.

The timeline was extremely difficult for me to follow from one statement to the next.

A few things stuck out at me --- Lee seemed to talk about the smell of death in the car quite a few times. That was a little strange.

Casey's lies.. Some of them didn't make sense and were so unnecessary. I mean she lied and claimed her father had a "semi-stroke" and was hospitalized.. why on earth would someone lie about that? I assume she wanted to get out of driving Amy to Jacksonville but claiming your family member was in the hospital to avoid it? Sounds like bad karma to me.

Another thing about Amy.. Amy takes out money from the bank to go to Puerto Rico.. the $400 is missing the next day and Casey claims that Amy was sleepwalking and that is why the money was "misplaced" or whatever?

I am still bothered by Casey borrowing the shovel from the neighbor...and the neighbor claiming he saw Casey's car backed into the garage three times - when no other cars were home.. and the fact that he had never seen Casey back her car into the garage prior.

[dixie77]

OK...........i'm on page 34 of Amy's testimony........i am not understanding something. Cindy is telling Amy about the "no clothes" party and Casey with the American Flag. Then Amy says that Caylee was at that party.
then Amy goes on to say the following......."I mean i know that was the night that that par...that picture was taken and she said that she had been watching Caylee that night. Pretty much was like, "You're at work, huh?" So my question is was Caylee at that party that nite? Thanks in advance

[Rebel Rouzer]

Can I say something?

Well ok since nobody objects. lmao

I found it very odd that during that moment in time Cindy felt the need to take that money? Wasn't she supposed to be worried about Caylee? Thats who was missing? Why would she think to grab that money at a time like that? That woudl be the last thing on my mind. IMO

I wanted to spit when i read that

[bluwaters]

You are the best Blu! Thank you! I missed a couple of things so this will help!
Aww thanks. It's a group effort though. We are managing without Lynn but it will be great when she comes back!

Here's Part 4, NG 9/23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTTSHePab-g

[Takotna]

Cindy said that a friend of Casey's fixed the gas gauge after the theft of GAs gas on the 24th. That was on the Greta interview in the house.

jmho

Oh yeah - thanks for the reminder. The GVS interview was full of little tidbits!

If this is true, and her gauge was fixed on the 24th, Impartial's idea makes even more sense - Casey sat in the lot and ran out of gas on purpose. Perhaps the smell was getting so bad Casey couldn't be in the car and didn't want anyone else around it either.

My, My, the 24th was a busy day!

AllMO:)

[impartial]

I haven't finished reading.

From what I have read, it appears LE has not charged her because they need something more to decide what degree to charge her with. They have interviewed enough people that feel if anything did happen, it is their belief it was accidental. The same witnesses that will help them in their prosecution will also be the same witnesses that will testify she was attentive and loving to Caylee. They need evidence to overcome the possibility of an accident and panick.

IMO

[aubrey04]

Mine too, but maybe not for the same reasons.

Also, when Amy related that Tony read her a text message from Casey about spending an eternity behind bars if they find her supposedly sent on the 16th, the detective stated there's no way she could have texted him that, because she was arrested on the 16th. :eek:

Didn't Tony have her cell phone, and that's how he was able to get a hold of Amy?

I knew I should have taken notes. :(

IMO

Didn't Amy say that the text was sent early in the morning on the 16th? What time was Casey arrested?

[Velouria]

And Cindy took the 140-200$ that was in the wallet while the police were not looking. Talk about a sneaky snake!!!

I just gotta say, that while I know many posters share your opinion anyonesguess, I can't fault Cindy for taking back that money, especially since Casey had stolen it from her in the first place. I'd do the very same thing! What I WOULDN'T do is turn around and tell the media what a "joy" of a daughter she was.

[barskin&co.]

Agree with you. Anthonys dont lack with detail do they?

Like for instance Cindy's description of Caylee's father:

CINDY ANTHONY: Caylee's never had a father. He was a friend of Casey's. He's never been in Caylee's life. He's not on her birth certificate. He was a friend of Casey's that lives out of state. By the time Caylee was born, he had already started another family, and he passed away earlier in the year. And again, his family never had knowledge of Caylee. And that was a mutual thing that Casey and he had agreed upon, that he was not going to be part of Caylee's life. This is her life. Excuse me.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

[OneUp]

Cindy said that a friend of Casey's fixed the gas gauge after the theft of GAs gas on the 24th. That was on the Greta interview in the house.

jmhoThere was also some reference to a "tip" in the William Waters interview that mentioned someone doing repairs on her car. It said that it was a friend of WW that did the repairs I believe. Frankly, it sounded like an intentional false lead called in by an interested party...
But I *could* be wrong.
JMO.

[jakee]

Cindy knew if Casey was alive, that meant Caylee was not.

Oh man. that could explain it.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I bet it was Amys money too.

I really don't care whose money it was. That just seemed rather odd to me. When she smells that smell knowing what it was then calls 911 and in the middle of all that going on she nabs the money and makes the comment it was probably hers?

Why the hell would she even think of doing that and saying that at that moment in time? :confused:

[Fallen Angel]

I just gotta say, that while I know many posters share your opinion anyonesguess, I can't fault Cindy for taking back that money, especially since Casey had stolen it from her in the first place. I'd do the very same thing! What I WOULDN'T do is turn around and tell the media what a "joy" of a daughter she was.
ITA except the money that Cindy took was probably AMY's :shrug:

[anyonesguess]

Can I say something?

Well ok since nobody objects. lmao

I found it very odd that during that moment in time Cindy felt the need to take that money? Wasn't she supposed to be worried about Caylee? Thats who was missing? Why would she think to grab that money at a time like that? That woudl be the last thing on my mind. IMO

I wanted to spit when i read that


I know RR!!! If she was so worried about Caylee, that money would have meant NOTHING. I don't like the idea that the cop left the room, and I think the investigator was shocked as well when Lee told him that, but her taking that money and NOT mentioning it to the officer when she came back in the room to me is obstruction imo, not to mention LOW DOWN. Then Cindy feigns anger when she then says, there is my JCPenneys card!!

[anyonesguess]

I bet it was Amys money too.


That was my first thought concerned mom. It was most likely Amy's money. (in her converstion earlier with Amy BEFORE the stealing the money incident on the sly, Cindy did tell amy Honey, you won't see that money. Maybe Cindy is a psychic!!

[Rebel Rouzer]

I haven't finished reading.

From what I have read, it appears LE has not charged her because they need something more to decide what degree to charge her with. They have interviewed enough people that feel if anything did happen, it is their belief it was accidental. The same witnesses that will help them in their prosecution will also be the same witnesses that will testify she was attentive and loving to Caylee. They need evidence to overcome the possibility of an accident and panick.

IMO


EXACTLY I have been saying the same thing even before the docs came out. I'm not as goofy as i look am I? lmao :lol:

[OneUp]

OK...........i'm on page 34 of Amy's testimony........i am not understanding something. Cindy is telling Amy about the "no clothes" party and Casey with the American Flag. Then Amy says that Caylee was at that party.
then Amy goes on to say the following......."I mean i know that was the night that that par...that picture was taken and she said that she had been watching Caylee that night. Pretty much was like, "You're at work, huh?" So my question is was Caylee at that party that nite? Thanks in advance
IMO, Cindy was mad because she had kept caylee so Casey could "work" only to find a photo of that night and have proof that Casey was partying.
JMO.

[Velouria]

ITA except the money that Cindy took was probably AMY's :shrug:


I just read some of the other posts that make that point, Angel, in which case I stand corrected. But didn't I read that Cindy claimed Casey had been coming into the house and stealing money from her (in addition to the groceries) while she'd been living away from home? I think Cindy may not have known at the time that she'd also been stealing from Amy, and assumed the money was hers.

Gawd, I can't believe I'm sitting here defending Cindy. LOL

[Lostgirl]

Just finished reading some of the text messging stuff.... :rolleyes:

she's blabbering on about the sex from the night before was the best she ever had

well isn't THAT special, I'm so glad she was gettin her rocks off!

meanwhile poor litttle caylee didnt even have her dolly to hold as she lay in whatever makeshift grave her mother from hell decided to dump her in! :flamemad:

and just how damn many men did she DO?

I've lost count! :rolleyes:

I'd love to grab her by the throat and throttle her for a while!

[Rebel Rouzer]

I know RR!!! If she was so worried about Caylee, that money would have meant NOTHING. I don't like the idea that the cop left the room, and I think the investigator was shocked as well when Lee told him that, but her taking that money and NOT mentioning it to the officer when she came back in the room to me is obstruction imo, not to mention LOW DOWN. Then Cindy feigns anger when she then says, there is my JCPenneys card!!


Thanks for realizing the same thing.

[Takotna]

Can I say something?

Well ok since nobody objects. lmao

I found it very odd that during that moment in time Cindy felt the need to take that money? Wasn't she supposed to be worried about Caylee? Thats who was missing? Why would she think to grab that money at a time like that? That woudl be the last thing on my mind. IMO

I wanted to spit when i read that

My stomach turned - I was actually surprised Lee would volunteer such a vile thing about his mother. I think her behavior is summed up in one word - entitlement.

Cindy has a huge sense of entitlement. She's was going to get whatever she could because of what Casey has put her through. The more this goes on the more 'entitled' she'll become. It's the hammer she will hold over Casey's head.

It reminds me of the saying on integrity - doing the right thing even when no one is watching. Cindy doesn't even do the right thing when someone is watching! Her action speaks volumes.

AllMO:)

[anyonesguess]

I just gotta say, that while I know many posters share your opinion anyonesguess, I can't fault Cindy for taking back that money, especially since Casey had stolen it from her in the first place. I'd do the very same thing! What I WOULDN'T do is turn around and tell the media what a "joy" of a daughter she was.

Velouria, I am sure the police would have given her the money before taking any evidence. Her taking that behind their backs, makes her NO better than Casey. I would imagine it was AMY's money. What is $140-200 when your granddaughter is missing? The police weren't going to steal it, they would have given it to the family. Why HIDE IT. It was obstruction imo. How much money she had would have been compared to what she had stolen, spent, etc. just plain accounting imo.

[DiamondL'il]

Once the source is removed is not always true and if she and I'm sickened to say this. excretions from bodily fluid from a dead person would still be basicly heating up and smelling terrible in the summer heat in the trunk in Florida.

We don't know how long she had her in there before desposing of her. IMO

I cannot attest to a dead body in FL. I can however recall a time in Montana, I hit a skunk, on the interstate, traveling to a wedding. This happened in the cool/cold springtime. Now I'd guess most everyone knows how unique and thick, for lack of a better word, the scent of a skunk is? Human decomp is similiar in that it the smell attaches itself like that and is equally unique. You smell it once, you will always recognize it again immediately. It can't be disguised nor confused by anything else. It is what it is and you know it as soon as it hits your nose. I drove 90mph across Montana just to keep the skunk smell from asphyxiating us inside the car during our loooooong trip. Once we arrived, everything and I mean EVERYTHING in the car was saturated in that car. So heavily that repeated laundering didn't help with wedding attire that hung, on hangers, wrapped in plastic. Many items we simply had to dispose of. We bathed in tomato juice several times. The acid supposedly breaks down skunk scent oils that cling to your body. (hair was VERY difficult to get clean!)
Sorry about my long story. I didn't mean to sound like PPoF(PrincessPantsOnFire) by drawing out my point but IF skunk oil can penetrate fibers, in plastic,with temps around the freezing mark, to the point of just discarding them, after repeated laundering, I can feel free in assuming that a confined, decomposing human being, in the hot FL sun, wouldn't take long to completely total a cars interior at very least and in a short amount of time?:confused:

My apology for the run on sentences. I'm physically exhausted even tho I've barely left my desk alllll day!

12 STEP PROGRAM anyone?
"My name is DiamondL'il and I have a problem.."
HI DIAMOND L'il:seeya::seeya:

[dixie77]

IMO, Cindy was mad because she had kept caylee so Casey could "work" only to find a photo of that night and have proof that Casey was partying.
JMO.
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Yes but Amy said that Caylee was at that party. Did u read that part? That is really bugging me. Thanks, OneUp

[kakax]

Well, after these documents, there is no reason for a true crime novel LOL!

I see a girl who always has to keep stringing people along...always has to have a backup in case the next guy or friend doesn't work out. I'm not a psychologist, (although I did major in Psychology but remember diddly squat) but she seems to have such a low self esteem and no wonder- her mother was constantly berating her.

If her mother spent half the amount of time she spent berating her on actual discipline and teaching her how to take responsibility, this probably wouldn't have happened.

Cindy knew she didn't have a job...Lauren said that was why she stopped babysitting because there was no job. I think there was probably alot of yelling in that house, but no actual discipline or accountability beyond many FU's.

I think Casey's world was falling apart around her and she snapped. MOO.

[OneUp]

Can I say something?

Well ok since nobody objects. lmao

I found it very odd that during that moment in time Cindy felt the need to take that money? Wasn't she supposed to be worried about Caylee? Thats who was missing? Why would she think to grab that money at a time like that? That woudl be the last thing on my mind. IMO

I wanted to spit when i read thatThat was one of the FIRST thing I felt the need to comment on when reading this new info....That behavior was pretty crass regardless. But to have your mind on snatching money when you have a corpse smelling car and a missing baby? That says miles about how Cindy's mind works...that and the fact that she had the prescence off mind to do it when the officer was out of the room and failed to mention it herself later.
Not only that, but she KNEW amy had just been robbed of at least $400.00 as well...way to cheat the college kid "Mom".
My words then, and now were: Sneaky, selfish, and entitled!
JMO.

[impartial]

EXACTLY I have been saying the same thing even before the docs came out. I'm not as goofy as i look am I? lmao :lol:



My eyes really are crossed ... "panic" instead of panick.

I thought they needed the forensics (and didn't have them, ergo, utilizing the terms "suggesting") because of the Zenaida/Sawgrass connection ... the only thing in Casey's story that has a paper trail.

They need more than the forensics, regardless of whether they came back with decomposing bodily fluids, DNA, death band. They need her to break, or a body that can show a COD. And they need it before the neglect trial.

And, you be smart girl. wink


IMO

[kakax]

Just finished reading some of the text messging stuff.... :rolleyes:

she's blabbering on about the sex from the night before was the best she ever had

well isn't THAT special, I'm so glad she was gettin her rocks off!

meanwhile poor litttle caylee didnt even have her dolly to hold as she lay in whatever makeshift grave her mother from hell decided to dump her in! :flamemad:

and just how damn many men did she DO?

I've lost count! :rolleyes:



I'd love to grab her by the throat and throttle her for a while!

Where did you get the text messages, I haven't seen those.

[anyonesguess]

I just read some of the other posts that make that point, Angel, in which case I stand corrected. But didn't I read that Cindy claimed Casey had been coming into the house and stealing money from her (in addition to the groceries) while she'd been living away from home? I think Cindy may not have known at the time that she'd also been stealing from Amy, and assumed the money was hers.

Gawd, I can't believe I'm sitting here defending Cindy. LOL

Velouria that just isn't so imo. That very evening after picking up Amy, Cindy was told that Casey had stolen from amy by amy herself, and Cindy said Honey you won't see that money. Then that evening Cindy takes the money out of Cindy's wallet while the officer left the room for a minute.

[bluwaters]

Or he knew that smell when she returned the cans and nailed her butt and found out she had put her in the yard. George may have took over from there so maybe Casey doesnt know where she is now. I hope they are looking at Georges cell phone records too.
Good point. Maybe GA knows where Caylee is, but no one else does. That way, no one can break and give away Caylee's location.
GA has been so wacko too.
recipe for decomp pizza was really bizarre

[charm7]

I really don't care whose money it was. That just seemed rather odd to me. When she smells that smell knowing what it was then calls 911 and in the middle of all that going on she nabs the money and makes the comment it was probably hers?

Why the hell would she even think of doing that and saying that at that moment in time? :confused:


She also pulls weeds in the evening when the protesters are there :shrug:

She's nuts!!!!:biggrin:

[Rebel Rouzer]

I cannot attest to a dead body in FL. I can however recall a time in Montana, I hit a skunk, on the interstate, traveling to a wedding. This happened in the cool/cold springtime. Now I'd guess most everyone knows how unique and thick, for lack of a better word, the scent of a skunk is? Human decomp is similiar in that it the smell attaches itself like that and is equally unique. You smell it once, you will always recognize it again immediately. It can't be disguised nor confused by anything else. It is what it is and you know it as soon as it hits your nose. I drove 90mph across Montana just to keep the skunk smell from asphyxiating us inside the car during our loooooong trip. Once we arrived, everything and I mean EVERYTHING in the car was saturated in that car. So heavily that repeated laundering didn't help with wedding attire that hung, on hangers, wrapped in plastic. Many items we simply had to dispose of. We bathed in tomato juice several times. The acid supposedly breaks down skunk scent oils that cling to your body. (hair was VERY difficult to get clean!)
Sorry about my long story. I didn't mean to sound like PPoF(PrincessPantsOnFire) by drawing out my point but IF skunk oil can penetrate fibers, in plastic,with temps around the freezing mark, to the point of just discarding them, after repeated laundering, I can feel free in assuming that a confined, decomposing human being, in the hot FL sun, wouldn't take long to completely total a cars interior at very least and in a short amount of time?:confused:

My apology for the run on sentences. I'm physically exhausted even tho I've barely left my desk alllll day!

12 STEP PROGRAM anyone?
"My name is DiamondL'il and I have a problem.."
HI DIAMOND L'il:seeya::seeya:

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this post. so much is funny about it and so much is really sad and reality.

Good post

[Velouria]

Velouria, I am sure the police would have given her the money before taking any evidence. Her taking that behind their backs, makes her NO better than Casey. I would imagine it was AMY's money. What is $140-200 when your granddaughter is missing? The police weren't going to steal it, they would have given it to the family. Why HIDE IT. It was obstruction imo. How much money she had would have been compared to what she had stolen, spent, etc. just plain accounting imo.


I see your point anyones, and posted a follow-up. :) IMO, I think Cindy had been ripped-off by Casey so many times that her first impulse was to take back the money she assumed had been stolen from her on one of Casey's visits back home.

It probably WAS poor Amy's money, but I'm not sure ol' Cindy realized it at the time. Agreed, she should have let the police record everything first, but I think she was so angry at Casey she wasn't thinking of much else at the time, even Caylee.

[impartial]

Amy says Casey was complaining about the smell in the car on the 25th. George's gas can story can't help now.


Good catch.

[dixie77]

Yes that is where the photos of Casey wearing the american flag came from. it was that party. She chose the Flag.
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Hi Dots yes......but Amy says that Caylee was at that party. So Cindy didnt have Caylee that nite. Its confusing. So thats my question..........was Caylee at that party with Casey?

[panokatana]

It was quite heartbreaking to hear that Cindy had referred to Caylee as "Casey's mistake." According to Lee, Casey told him that Cindy had said, "..even though Caylee's been the best thing and the best mistake, ...she was indeed a mistake. She was Casey's mistake."

I wonder if Caylee heard this. Granted she probably wouldn't have understood what that meant. But still...I wonder how many times over the years she would have heard this...as she grew up. Or...had she been allowed to grow up.

That...above all... above everything else that has been (allegedly) uttered by Cindy Anthony...is TO ME, the worst...beyond cruel.

JMO...as always

[jakee]

Where did you get the text messages, I haven't seen those.

I have not either. I thought I read everything, but I guess I missed those. :shrug:

[aubrey04]

OK...........i'm on page 34 of Amy's testimony........i am not understanding something. Cindy is telling Amy about the "no clothes" party and Casey with the American Flag. Then Amy says that Caylee was at that party.
then Amy goes on to say the following......."I mean i know that was the night that that par...that picture was taken and she said that she had been watching Caylee that night. Pretty much was like, "You're at work, huh?" So my question is was Caylee at that party that nite? Thanks in advance

I took that as a mistake. The way I read it is that Cindy was watching Caylee that night -- believing that Casey was at work... but Cindy had found the pictures of her at the party.. then confronted Casey saying, "You're at work? huh?"..

I see what you're saying though.. This is what Amy says

LE - "That was the no clothes party?"
Amy - Yes.
LE - "So she was with her mom at the no clothes party?"
Amy - Yes.
LE - "Caylee was?"
Amy - Oh, uh, huh, yeah (affirmative)

...hmmmm I still think Amy was mistaken. I have seen pictures from that party and don't see Caylee plus no one else claimed Caylee was there.. I dunno though?

[Rebel Rouzer]

That was one of the FIRST thing I felt the need to comment on when reading this new info....That behavior was pretty crass regardless. But to have your mind on snatching money when you have a corpse smelling car and a missing baby? That says miles about how Cindy's mind works...that and the fact that she had the prescence off mind to do it when the officer was out of the room and failed to mention it herself later.
Not only that, but she KNEW amy had just been robbed of at least $400.00 as well...way to cheat the college kid "Mom".
My words then, and now were: Sneaky, selfish, and entitled!
JMO.

I know. Right? Unreal

[dixie77]

I took that as a mistake. The way I read it is that Cindy was watching Caylee that night -- believing that Casey was at work... but Cindy had found the pictures of her at the party.. then confronted Casey saying, "You're at work? huh?"..

I see what you're saying though.. This is what Amy says

LE - "That was the no clothes party?"
Amy - Yes.
LE - "So she was with her mom at the no clothes party?"
Amy - Yes.
LE - "Caylee was?"
Amy - Oh, uh, huh, yeah (affirmative)

...hmmmm I still think Amy was mistaken. I have seen pictures from that party and don't see Caylee plus no one else claimed Caylee was there.. I dunno though?
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Thanks, Aubrey yep.....maybe its a mistake. I thought i was losing my mind. lol

[bluwaters]

Tashi, you stated it much better than me. It was the Beaver Cleaver version.

Lee's version was the exorcist version, and I believe Lee's story more than GA's.
Cindy said that Casey didn't want GA to see the cans in the trunk because she was embarrassed. She had planned to return them with a note of apology before he missed them.
That was another Twilight Zone moment for me. I just didn't see Casey caring that much about it. The other weird thing about Cindy's version is that Casey was embarrassed and planned to write an apology, but it seemed that she was returning the cans empty! If she really cared and felt badly about it, wouldn't she return them full?

So, we have 3 Anthony stories about the return of the gas cans and all 3 are different. They are consistent in their inconsistency, those Anthony's.

jmho

[Velouria]

Velouria that just isn't so imo. That very evening after picking up Amy, Cindy was told that Casey had stolen from amy by amy herself, and Cindy said Honey you won't see that money. Then that evening Cindy takes the money out of Cindy's wallet while the officer left the room for a minute.

Well that's true enough about the $400. You'd think if she's in the habit of paying back everyone else Casey stole from, she'd have given that money to Amy just on principle.

[jakee]

NG mentioned that she texted someone and said Rick was the best sex she ever had.
(from night before)
she may have read it here in earlier pages.


Oh, thank you very much. :)

[impartial]

It was quite heartbreaking to hear that Cindy had referred to Caylee as "Casey's mistake." According to Lee, Casey told him that Cindy had said, "..even though Caylee's been the best thing and the best mistake, ...she was indeed a mistake. She was Casey's mistake."

I wonder if Caylee heard this. Granted she probably wouldn't have understood what that meant. But still...I wonder how many times over the years she would have heard this...as she grew up. Or...had she been allowed to grow up.

That...above all... above everything else that has been (allegedly) uttered by Cindy Anthony...is TO ME, the worst...beyond cruel.

JMO...as always


As soon as I heard that Cindy called herself mommy, I thought anything was possible coming from Cindy. Casey probably lived under a humiliator's thumb ... Cindy was not an enabler, she set it up so she could have control.

IMO

[tashi]

Did anyone follow what Lee was saying in his interview about a woman named Heather who "vouched" for Casey and her job at Kodak and Color Vision.

This woman supposedly email Lee to set the record straight?? It sounded extremely fishy to me. I've never heard of this Heather person before reading Lee's statement...Anyone?

[Lostgirl]

Skanky. They will have to neuter her in prison or she will be trying to kick with all the guards.

yep she's a real prize petunia

no need for a "Bunny Ranch" with Casey around :rolleyes:

(or whatever that ***** house in Nevada is called)

[OneUp]

I cannot attest to a dead body in FL. I can however recall a time in Montana, I hit a skunk, on the interstate, traveling to a wedding. This happened in the cool/cold springtime. Now I'd guess most everyone knows how unique and thick, for lack of a better word, the scent of a skunk is? Human decomp is similiar in that it the smell attaches itself like that and is equally unique. You smell it once, you will always recognize it again immediately. It can't be disguised nor confused by anything else. It is what it is and you know it as soon as it hits your nose. I drove 90mph across Montana just to keep the skunk smell from asphyxiating us inside the car during our loooooong trip. Once we arrived, everything and I mean EVERYTHING in the car was saturated in that car. So heavily that repeated laundering didn't help with wedding attire that hung, on hangers, wrapped in plastic. Many items we simply had to dispose of. We bathed in tomato juice several times. The acid supposedly breaks down skunk scent oils that cling to your body. (hair was VERY difficult to get clean!)
Sorry about my long story. I didn't mean to sound like PPoF(PrincessPantsOnFire) by drawing out my point but IF skunk oil can penetrate fibers, in plastic,with temps around the freezing mark, to the point of just discarding them, after repeated laundering, I can feel free in assuming that a confined, decomposing human being, in the hot FL sun, wouldn't take long to completely total a cars interior at very least and in a short amount of time?:confused:

My apology for the run on sentences. I'm physically exhausted even tho I've barely left my desk alllll day!

12 STEP PROGRAM anyone?
"My name is DiamondL'il and I have a problem.."
HI DIAMOND L'il:seeya::seeya:Don't worry 'bout it diamond! you are right about human decomp.!
it is :
1). Readily identifiable. If and when you ever smell it, you will know.
2). PUNGENT, I think only a very small amount would be needed to create alot of odor.
3). Lingering, a "sticky" oily smell that is very difficult to remove from your hair and pores.
4). Unforgettable. You will def. always know it if you have smelled it once.
I cannot imagine how the entire family was smelling that odor, even remaining in the garage with it and no one mentions vomiting. If you ever had the misfortune of meeting a skunk, you know how violently your stomach reacts to that...
Decomp. is the worst smell I have ever smelled, ever the closest thing I ever smelled was 3 deep freezes of bad meat during a power outage that sat in a garage/storage for around a week. Decomp. is MUCH worse.
JMO.

[Velouria]

NG mentioned that she texted someone and said Rick was the best sex she ever had.
(from night before)
she may have read it here in earlier pages.


I saw that and figured I must've really missed something. Who is Rick??

[Takotna]

I took that as a mistake. The way I read it is that Cindy was watching Caylee that night -- believing that Casey was at work... but Cindy had found the pictures of her at the party.. then confronted Casey saying, "You're at work? huh?"..

I see what you're saying though.. This is what Amy says

LE - "That was the no clothes party?"
Amy - Yes.
LE - "So she was with her mom at the no clothes party?"
Amy - Yes.
LE - "Caylee was?"
Amy - Oh, uh, huh, yeah (affirmative)

...hmmmm I still think Amy was mistaken. I have seen pictures from that party and don't see Caylee plus no one else claimed Caylee was there.. I dunno though?

I had to read this acouple times - I agree it was a mistake - I think Amy took "her mom" to mean Casey's mom (Cindy).

AllMO:)

[Nellie]

I haven't finished reading.

From what I have read, it appears LE has not charged her because they need something more to decide what degree to charge her with. They have interviewed enough people that feel if anything did happen, it is their belief it was accidental. The same witnesses that will help them in their prosecution will also be the same witnesses that will testify she was attentive and loving to Caylee. They need evidence to overcome the possibility of an accident and panick.

IMO

With all we know, I can't even begin to imagine anyone would think it was "an accident". All that I've been reading leads me to pre-meditated murder.

[BrownEyedF]

I think if a body had been in the back yard that long the two dogs would have dug it up.


That is a really good point. That could be why she possibly put Caylee into the little play house. If the door was closed, the dogs would not be able to get in there. Ditto underneath the sandbox.

[barskin&co.]

Did anyone follow what Lee was saying in his interview about a woman named Heather who "vouched" for Casey and her job at Kodak and Color Vision.

This woman supposedly email Lee to set the record straight?? It sounded extremely fishy to me. I've never heard of this Heather person before reading Lee's statement...Anyone?

I did see some communication about this Heather person between Yuri Melich and the Color Vision people in the search warrant docs, but I never really understood it. Obviously, no one could vouch for Casey as an employee, since she wasn't one.

[jakee]

I saw that and figured I must've really missed something. Who is Rick??

Ricardo? :shrug: I can't keep them straight. :)

[panokatana]

I saw that and figured I must've really missed something. Who is Rick??

It's confusing, trying to keep up with all the names. Was Rick Jesse's roommate (that Casey had just briefly met?)
I can't recall if that was the name Jesse gave as his roommate, but it seems vaguely familiar in that context.

JMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

Don't worry 'bout it diamond! you are right about human decomp.!
it is :
1). Readily identifiable. If and when you ever smell it, you will know.
2). PUNGENT, I think only a very small amount would be needed to create alot of odor.
3). Lingering, a "sticky" oily smell that is very difficult to remove from your hair and pores.
4). Unforgettable. You will def. always know it if you have smelled it once.
I cannot imagine how the entire family was smelling that odor, even remaining in the garage with it and no one mentions vomiting. If you ever had the misfortune of meeting a skunk, you know how violently your stomach reacts to that...
Decomp. is the worst smell I have ever smelled, ever the closest thing I ever smelled was 3 deep freezes of bad meat during a power outage that sat in a garage/storage for around a week. Decomp. is MUCH worse.
JMO.


The closest I have come to smelling something like what you describe is this.

We had a freezer that had 2 huge fish in it. The freezer stopped working and it was 2 months before we opened it and realized what happened.
We cleaned it out soaked it in bleach for days and went ot buy new food for that freezer and when i took a package out to use it . It still smelled like rooten dead hot fish. Had to throw all that meat away that we just bought and took the freezer to the dump.

Thats the closests experience I have to smelling decomp. This is on topic BTW

[impartial]

It's confusing, trying to keep up with all the names. Was Rick Jesse's roommate (that Casey had just briefly met?)
I can't recall if that was the name Jesse gave as his roommate, but it seems vaguely familiar in that context.

JMO



Cindy's brother's name is Rick. :eek: J/K.

[DiamondL'il]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this post. so much is funny about it and so much is really sad and reality.

Good post

Aww, thank you RR. I also feel safe in assuming that you, as ell as other fellow posters are reaching a state of delirium also? I just cannot pry myself away from this case, ESPECIALLY after hearing of the new docs this am.

I saw myself in the mirror awhile ago, I ran to the potty as the page refreshed. My eyes look like 2 pi$$ holes in the snow. I bet my family is about to commit me!

[bluwaters]

I just read some of the other posts that make that point, Angel, in which case I stand corrected. But didn't I read that Cindy claimed Casey had been coming into the house and stealing money from her (in addition to the groceries) while she'd been living away from home? I think Cindy may not have known at the time that she'd also been stealing from Amy, and assumed the money was hers.

Gawd, I can't believe I'm sitting here defending Cindy. LOL

Cindy did know, amy had just told her. Cindy's answer was that Amy wouldn't see that money again.

But, despite that, Cindy had no business taking that money at that point in time. It freaked me out when I read that.

[Nellie]

Cindy said that Casey didn't want GA to see the cans in the trunk because she was embarrassed. She had planned to return them with a note of apology before he missed them.
That was another Twilight Zone moment for me. I just didn't see Casey caring that much about it. The other weird thing about Cindy's version is that Casey was embarrassed and planned to write an apology, but it seemed that she was returning the cans empty! If she really cared and felt badly about it, wouldn't she return them full?

So, we have 3 Anthony stories about the return of the gas cans and all 3 are different. They are consistent in their inconsistency, those Anthony's.

jmho

"Embarrassed" for "borrowing" gas cans from her daddy's shed?
How about being embarrassed about stealing money from great g-daddy?
Or embarrassed about stealing money from Amy?
She was not embarrassed over taking gas cans from the shed
Ridiculous! :flamemad:

[Takotna]

I posted earlier: wouldn't the two dogs in the house gone nuts with a dead body in the back yard? Even the cat, unless the Anthony's make the animals urinate in the house.....

Hi Dori - I was thinking about your post. I think Caylee:rose: was placed in the sandbox with the lid.
Many folks just let their dogs out and don't notice what they are doing - maybe the Anthonys are the 'just-open-the-door' type pet owners? Maybe this is why Casey then put the bundle in the car - perhaps there was a problem with the dogs. Maybe she just needed the shovel to spiffy-up where dogs had disturbed the ground.

AllMO:)

[Velouria]

Ricardo? :shrug: I can't keep them straight. :)


Ah, maybe that's it. I need a scorecard to keep up with her "conquests".:confused:

[panokatana]

Cindy's brother's name is Rick. :eek: J/K.

ACK! Say it ain't so! (Hopefully, that isn't the Rick she was referring to in her text message.) :eek: (J/K noted! ;) )

JMO

[WillowInFlight]

Ok, just finished reading everything up to date, one thing that stuck out to me was that when ever anything ever happened to Casey, she involved everyone in her circle even ones that she hadn't talked to in awhile. Seems she asked everyone and their brother about borrowing a gas can, she sent everyone a message telling them Caylee was missing, school friends she hadn't talked to in months, old boyfriends, girlfriends of friends she just met.
Caylee was missing but she was busy setting up a pity party for herself, At that point I don't believe she thought she would be arrested and she was in some warped way trying to gather sympathy, the poor mother of a missing child.
Wow did that back fire.

[BrownEyedF]

Velouria, I am sure the police would have given her the money before taking any evidence. Her taking that behind their backs, makes her NO better than Casey. I would imagine it was AMY's money. What is $140-200 when your granddaughter is missing? The police weren't going to steal it, they would have given it to the family. Why HIDE IT. It was obstruction imo. How much money she had would have been compared to what she had stolen, spent, etc. just plain accounting imo.


I wondered if that money could have been fingerprinted and it would have shown Amy's fingerprints????

[Lostgirl]

I have not either. I thought I read everything, but I guess I missed those. :shrug:

it was a text msg about a guy named Rick that she says she had the best sex she's ever had

I'm not sure which link it was... I've been clicking all over kinda random and reading... maybe someone else remembers it and knows which link it's in

[5boxersmom]

Why didn't Cindy cancel the CC's? It seems that Casey was using them alot and Cindy knew it. Just something else she thought she could use against her?

What was going on in that house? Wow.

jmo

Caylee:rose: