"Zenaida"

[forensick]

In all those years that Zenaida was the "nanny"...there are no photographs of her! I think it would be a wonderful exercise for the police to have Casey sit with a LE artist and reconstruct what Zenaida looks like. Wouldn't anyone who was seriously concerned about getting Zenaida apprehended insist on getting her picture out there? Why has this not been done?

An even better exercise would be to have Casey any whoever else claims to have seen Zenaida have artists renderings drawn SEPARATELY of what she looks like...without prior notice. It would be fun to see what the heck the drawings would look like.

Why has there NEVER been any description of this woman and her accomplice been given out? Of course LE had a suspicion the woman was fictitious as soon as they discovered her "vacant" apartment...but why wouldn't anyone in the Anthony camp insisted that an Amber alert be posted, etc.?

If there really was a Zenaida, Casey would have had a photo of her (wasn't she a kiosk photographer)??? Do you mean to tell me that Casey worked at Universal Studios and never had Zenaida take Caylee there while she was working?

One last thought...aside from the fellow who denies recommending Zenaida to Casey...is there ANYONE who can say that they hired Zenaida in the past to watch their kid???

If there anyone out there who thinks this is strange?

[nutterbutter]

In all those years that Zenaida was the "nanny"...there are no photographs of her! I think it would be a wonderful exercise for the police to have Casey sit with a LE artist and reconstruct what Zenaida looks like. Wouldn't anyone who was seriously concerned about getting Zenaida apprehended insist on getting her picture out there? Why has this not been done?

An even better exercise would be to have Casey any whoever else claims to have seen Zenaida have artists renderings drawn SEPARATELY of what she looks like...without prior notice. It would be fun to see what the heck the drawings would look like.

Why has there NEVER been any description of this woman and her accomplice been given out? Of course LE had a suspicion the woman was fictitious as soon as they discovered her "vacant" apartment...but why wouldn't anyone in the Anthony camp insisted that an Amber alert be posted, etc.?

If there really was a Zenaida, Casey would have had a photo of her (wasn't she a kiosk photographer)??? Do you mean to tell me that Casey worked at Universal Studios and never had Zenaida take Caylee there while she was working?

One last thought...aside from the fellow who denies recommending Zenaida to Casey...is there ANYONE who can say that they hired Zenaida in the past to watch their kid???

If there anyone out there who thinks this is strange?
I think she is invisable.moo I think everyone has denied seeing the invisable nanny.

[MidnightBlu]

I never thought about making a sketch of Zanny.

That would be a good idea though.

[barskin&co.]

IIRC, she has curly hair, sometimes straightened. Okay now, everybody, go out and find her!

[Lostgirl]

I'm starting to think she.... looks the trunk of a car

[girlspell]

Her ex-fiances dad was on NG last night and he said in 2006 she mentioned a new nanny named Zanny ~ but had never seen her.

So, I'm thinking it was just coincidence that she threw the last name based on a woman she saw hte name of on an application.

I'm confused about the date of the nanny, not the nanny per say, but the name. According to the bounty hunter, she got the name from the apartments becasue she was friends with people who lived accross the street from the apartment. But this 2006, which I thought was before the Zanieda looked at the apartment. I thought the Zanny name was a play on the the word xanax (the drug)


Anyone have a timeline on the name of the nanny?

[Staceylee]

If there was a Zenaida someone would have meet her. If not someone Casey knows then there would have been neighbors or friends of Zenaida that would have known her and seen Caylee in her care and they would have come forward with this information. There is no Zenaida......

[EGirl]

Here's her pic!




















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[ALL RISE]

Maybe all of you should do the interrogating![PHP]:)
I don't know why this didn't dawn on me b/4?!:beer:

[EGirl]

I've never seen this woman before in my life! :no:
Are you sure? Maybe you should take a closer look.






:biggrin:

[forensick]

I asked this same question on the thread questions for Cindy days ago. no response. . before they took Casey to the apt. "describe Zanaida to us," what a no brainer. It is so frustrating ,where is the freaking script? barf


I saw the "Questions for Cindy" thread, but must admit I didn't read through it. Does Cindy actually respond to those questions?

[Pruddennce]

The guy interviewed last night said she had hired a nanny, said the name Zanny... but he had not seen her. If you have a nanny for over a year and a half... SOMEONE has to have seen her. You know, if you have kids, that at some point you need someone to pick up your child from the or pick up from the sitter cuz you can't. Is there anyway to trace back and show she never paid this woman??? How did she pay (as she claims???) always in cash??? Sorry, but I never carry enough cash on me to pay the day care, I want it done by check so I can PROVE it was paid. Or receipts received....

And yeah, the mysterious script. What she memorized that but can't remember squat else????

she didnt need a nanny, she was fired in April 2006, the same time she told Jesse's dad (the interviewee) she resolved the babysitting issue...

simply another lie....its hardly worth trying to piece together the nanny story...she was unemployed.

it is my opinion if Jesse's dad didnt begin to talk to her about child care arrangements (the Grunds were helping her out), she would have continued to leave Caylee there and continue to pretend she had a job.

funny how things line up: her being fired in April 2006 and Jesse's dad being told she has the babysitting situation taken care of: April 2006.

she didnt tell anyone (her parents, the Grunds) she lost her job. I would like to know why she was fired. Two years is a long time to lie about employment and a nanny.

if LE gets the answer as to why she was fired, I believe that will present a clearer picture regarding the need to lie about still being employed there.

best regards,
Pru

[mood*ring]

Here's her pic!




















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I was about to post that picture but you beat me to it. :D

EGirl-

All I can say is that in that picture Zanny appears to be white and not hispanic.

V
Its a black and white sketch, not a color rendition. :biggrin:

[GentleBreeze]

Here's her pic!




















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No wonder she is such a mystery.

:biggrin:

[EGirl]

EGirl-

All I can say is that in that picture Zanny appears to be white and not hispanic.

V



OK, y'all have me giggling something fierce and everyone in my fam thinks I'm nuts! :no:

[Genie]

I'm wondering if the police ever checked out the suppossed mom of Zenaida by the name of Gloria Gonzalez.

In one of the tapes Casey states that Gloria Gonzalez lived on Michigan St.

Coincidentally there is also an Anthony with the same address as a Gloria Gonzalez on Michigan St. in Orlando. Probable all coincidence, but odd.

[MyrDawn]

Is there an NG transcript of that show? I only heard Mr. Grund say when he asked her what they were going to do about the babysitting which had become too much for his family, Casey told him said she had found a nanny ... didn't hear him say the word Zanny.

Here's a link to the transcript:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html

He does say she told him the nanny's name was Zanny. Here's a snip: "...And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named..."

It's between halfway and 2/3rds down the page.
JMO

[barskin&co.]

{{BOMBSHELL}}

New Picture of Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah received in MybarskinOrlando newscenter! (http://campyskakel.yuku.com/common/bypass/images/missinng_avatar.gif)

[rosejustrose]

{{BOMBSHELL}}

New Picture of Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah received in MybarskinOrlando newscenter! (http://campyskakel.yuku.com/common/bypass/images/missinng_avatar.gif)


Honestly, she could just be any one of my friends. JMO.

[iluvmua]

There was someone LE interviewed who was named Zanaida Gonzalez but she stated that she has never met Casey or Caylee.

[nutterbutter]

I saw the "Questions for Cindy" thread, but must admit I didn't read through it. Does Cindy actually respond to those questions?

:shrug: I dont think so.

[nutterbutter]

{{BOMBSHELL}}

New Picture of Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah received in MybarskinOrlando newscenter! (http://campyskakel.yuku.com/common/bypass/images/missinng_avatar.gif)

nice pic.:D

[Fan45]

On the police tape they asked Casey what nationality Zenaida was. She starts to say Mexican, but then says, "Black and Pueto Rican". She seems to be making it up, as she goes.
This also goes along w/ Cindy thinking Caylee was in Mexico or Puerto Rico. It seems convenient for Caylee to have been taken out of the country. Casey says Zenaida is from New York. She says nothing about being from Mexico or Puerto Rico. It's like saying she was taken to Africa, based on her race.

[MoonShadow]

{{BOMBSHELL}}

New Picture of Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah received in MybarskinOrlando newscenter! (http://campyskakel.yuku.com/common/bypass/images/missinng_avatar.gif)

Thanks barskin! This new photo has so much more detail than the previously released photo.

[jen325]

I think I saw her in a block of ice in Georgia......


oh wait that was fake bigfoot.

:biggrin:

[Mamie]

In all those years that Zenaida was the "nanny"...there are no photographs of her! I think it would be a wonderful exercise for the police to have Casey sit with a LE artist and reconstruct what Zenaida looks like. Wouldn't anyone who was seriously concerned about getting Zenaida apprehended insist on getting her picture out there? Why has this not been done?

An even better exercise would be to have Casey any whoever else claims to have seen Zenaida have artists renderings drawn SEPARATELY of what she looks like...without prior notice. It would be fun to see what the heck the drawings would look like.

Why has there NEVER been any description of this woman and her accomplice been given out? Of course LE had a suspicion the woman was fictitious as soon as they discovered her "vacant" apartment...but why wouldn't anyone in the Anthony camp insisted that an Amber alert be posted, etc.?

If there really was a Zenaida, Casey would have had a photo of her (wasn't she a kiosk photographer)??? Do you mean to tell me that Casey worked at Universal Studios and never had Zenaida take Caylee there while she was working?

One last thought...aside from the fellow who denies recommending Zenaida to Casey...is there ANYONE who can say that they hired Zenaida in the past to watch their kid???

If there anyone out there who thinks this is strange?


Good thought about having a police artist do a sketch of Zenaida based on what Casey says she looks like and anyone else. I did think about the police department running a full page ad in the paper there (since Casey says "Z" has been in the area so long) and ask for people to come forward who have children that Zenaida cared for. Casey is going to get tripped up in so many of her lies that she will not be able to dig her way out. The jury will say just what they said in the Scott Peterson verdict-----It wasn't just any one thing, it was a compilation of all the things......

JMO

[barskin&co.]

{{{{BOMBSHELL}}}}

We hava a complete description of Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah, thanks to Lee Anthony's email to Yur Melich

page 276, document 388
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

My favorite detail is "no tattoos visible from a 2 piece bathing suit."
Well, that's good enough for me!

[forensick]

Good thought about having a police artist do a sketch of Zenaida based on what Casey says she looks like and anyone else. I did think about the police department running a full page ad in the paper there (since Casey says "Z" has been in the area so long) and ask for people to come forward who have children that Zenaida cared for. Casey is going to get tripped up in so many of her lies that she will not be able to dig her way out. The jury will say just what they said in the Scott Peterson verdict-----It wasn't just any one thing, it was a compilation of all the things......

JMO

I couldn't agree with you more. If I were sitting in the jury box and evaluated the circumstantial evidence, there would be only one conclusion I could come to...guilty of murder/manslaughter. Any reasonable person would have to agree with this. I think the LE really wants a confession or body before presenting its case. I wonder if they have a "timetable" where they will wait for one of the above things to happen?

I don't think Casey will ever confess...unless a very skillful person makes her feel very relaxed and justified in the "permanent removal" of her child.

[spicedtea]

Here's her pic!
















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Oh ya,I know her,heck we ALL do...she is the wife of the "Bushy Haired Stranger".
You know,the guy that shot Diane Downs kids,smothered Amanda Smiths son and she's the half-sister of the guy that carjacked Susan Smith...

[Katprint]

On the police tape they asked Casey what nationality Zenaida was. She starts to say Mexican, but then says, "Black and Pueto Rican". She seems to be making it up, as she goes.
This also goes along w/ Cindy thinking Caylee was in Mexico or Puerto Rico. It seems convenient for Caylee to have been taken out of the country. Casey says Zenaida is from New York. She says nothing about being from Mexico or Puerto Rico. It's like saying she was taken to Africa, based on her race.
This is eerily similar to Hans Reiser who spun a web of lies about how his estranged Russian wife (whom he murdered and buried while he thought his 2 young kids were sleeping but his son saw him carrying the body down the stairs on the way out to the car) must have secretly gone back to Russia. Nothing new; 1001 Arabian Nights similarly contains incredible tales in exotic far-away places, which are so much more difficult to disprove than local happenings.

Because post-911, it is SO EASY to travel internationally with forged documents. [/sarcasm]

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[DeeN]

For months ahead of Caylee missing-Casey created the Nanny.

WHY? Who was really watching Caylee?

[not.another]

Hmmm...what does Zanny look like....

The tooth fairy?

The Easter bunny?

Ooohhh, I know, I know....Santa Claus.

Seriously...does anyone still believe there is a Zanny the nanny? I highly doubt it. imo

[poplife]

If you listened to Rev. Grund's statements on NG, Casey had invented ZG over a year ago.

My answer? She was covering for not really working. She was watching Caylee, or having various friends helping so she could satiate her insatiable libido.

[DeeN]

For a ton of reasons with her Mother, her Father, her Brother and her Lovers- She has all of them running around chaseing their tails off.

Sheesh. Is she that smart?

Maybe the first time she used the "Nanny cannot take care of Caylee-so I cannot meet you or do this that and the other"

That it worked??

So- Casey built upon that- After All~

Who's going to question the Nanny's schedule?
Especially when the Nanny is having non-existent car crashes, Emergency visits and trips to see her non-existent dying Mother?

Sheesh- IS Casey Anthony that smart?

[ALL RISE]

It was probably on Nancy Grace, it might have been the bounty hunter who first bailed Casey, that Zanny the Nanny was actually some character book or tv I can't remember which.

Gives me the shivers and creeps to think about what actually Casey would do with Caylee when the Nanny was used?!

[barskin&co.]

For months ahead of Caylee missing-Casey created the Nanny.

WHY? Who was really watching Caylee? Not months, years. She was pretending to be working, and her parents both worked full time, so she had to invent a babysitter after her free ride with Jesse was over. Who was watching Caylee? Since Cindy and George were out all day, Casey could probably just stay home. If she wanted to go out, she might have left Caylee home alone or taken her with her.

[barskin&co.]

Just speculating in MOO ,but I am thinking it could be true that Casey was involved in escorting , maybe even a service thay had some childcare involved.....COULD their be a babysitter named ZANNI the NANNY , say at or available to the lady escort employees for mothers ? Could it be that something tragic happened when say CASEY may have decided she didn;t want to share her money witht he escort service and ventured out on her own and ran into a bizzare client and who knows what may have happened and CASEY was afraid to tell because it would reveal her real work for 2 years since she had not worked at universal... and so after the tragedy she had no money at all and stole from a friend , none of her past friends have stated she stole from them ,it was just recent and after the 6-16 I think.............Casey was UP ro something and since she visiyed escort sites ????? Unless George was looking at escort services??? WHY would CASEY be interested unless he was involved somehow ,unless she was contemplating it ?

Was that OTHER phone for her clients ...wasn;t there a missing phone ?

An escort service with day care? Doesn't happen.

[johnielee333]

For a ton of reasons with her Mother, her Father, her Brother and her Lovers- She has all of them running around chaseing their tails off.

Sheesh. Is she that smart?

Maybe the first time she used the "Nanny cannot take care of Caylee-so I cannot meet you or do this that and the other"

That it worked??

So- Casey built upon that- After All~

Who's going to question the Nanny's schedule?
Especially when the Nanny is having non-existent car crashes, Emergency visits and trips to see her non-existent dying Mother?

Sheesh- IS Casey Anthony that smart?

i've been saying all along that casey is very smart. just because she didnt finish school doesnt mean anything. this girl is smart in alot of ways but also stupid in some ways. one of the stupied parts is that she actually believed that LE would believe her crazy stories.

[Nellie]

For a ton of reasons with her Mother, her Father, her Brother and her Lovers- She has all of them running around chaseing their tails off.

Sheesh. Is she that smart?

Maybe the first time she used the "Nanny cannot take care of Caylee-so I cannot meet you or do this that and the other"

That it worked??

So- Casey built upon that- After All~

Who's going to question the Nanny's schedule?
Especially when the Nanny is having non-existent car crashes, Emergency visits and trips to see her non-existent dying Mother?

Sheesh- IS Casey Anthony that smart?

OR....are they all really that stupid?????

[need2no]

I sure wish someone out of all that lot questioned zanny the nanny. She had so many friends/family, and not a one of them ever saw or heard her talk to Zanny? I had a nanny from the time my son was 11 months until pre-school.

She was programmed into every phone we had - even our work phones. I have a paper trail a mile long showing payments made -- a nice write off at the end of the year.

George seems the type to make sure Casey filed taxes and how she could deduct nanny fees. Has she ever filed a tax return? I would sure love to know that.

My mom and dad had the number to our nanny in case we ever got hit by a bus and Austin was with the nanny (yes, there's usually "emergency numbers" given when it comes to a child.

I think George and Cindy really dropped the ball on this one. Was there ever a time that Cindy wanted to pick up Caylee from the nanny so they could go shopping or such? Both me and my husband did this often, and even our grandparents met the nanny.

For this to go on for years (zanny the nanny) and no one knowing about her is just insane -- it makes NO sense to me whatsoever. And those with children should understand where I'm coming from.

So while Caysey made up Zanny, those around her enabled her to continue with the charade.

Best,


ITA, I have children and when they were young my parents, in laws and sister all had info in case of an emergency.


It's especially strange when you listen to Cindy talk about all the safety precautions they took in regard to Caylee. She has mentioned locking the shed to keep Caylee out, putting the pool ladder in the pool, moving the bench away from the pool, the life vest and swimmies she always wore, locking the fence gate, safety latches in the house, removing the bamboo to protect her feet, etc. Yet they weren't concerned that Casey had Caylee staying with a nanny who seemed to be available 24/7 to suit Casey's weird 'work' hours/schedule. They never met her, didn't know where she lived, didn't have a phone number to reach her in case of emergency, had never seen a picture of her with Caylee, didn't find it strange Casey and Caylee slept over at her home, didn't seem concerned this nanny took Caylee shopping, to the beach, to Disney, etc.

But they did think to pay an attorney to have papers drawn up so if anything ever happened to Casey they would take custody of Caylee. And George talked about his concern over Casey's tires and needing a d*mn oil change. And Cindy was super pizzed about Jesse being in Casey's bedroom watching TV with the door open. And she 'helped' with bathing Caylee everynight, tucked the 2 of them in bed, and bought every toy in sight.

Yet this unknown nanny who spent so much time with their beloved granddaughter was not a concern or of interest to them...they just went on blind faith that she was competent and treated Caylee well. And it was no secret Casey would lie about things...... :shrug:

It just makes no sense.

[bubbs72]

I think the nanny was created so she would look better off than she was. She was hanging out with people her own age who were on their own and making it. Casey didn't want them to realize how she wasn't, so therefore a nanny was created. Her friends are working, bam, she is working at Universal.

She just wanted to enjoy her life and party like her friends were. My SIL did the same thing, except she lost her daughter in the divorce. My SIL saw her friends partying and such and she wanted to be included. Kind of hard to do with a little one...now she regrets it, but nothing can change what happened.

Why Casey just didn't admit to her friends that her parents were the main nanny? Again, keeping up appearances. Once you start a lie like this, kind of hard to stop it. :rolleyes:

I don't see her in the escort business unless she has a drug problem, because where is the money? She would have had some money...

MOOOOO!!!!

[MyrDawn]

She made up the nanny so her mother wouldn't know she was partying and sleeping with her lovers overnight.

Great answer! That's what I believe, too! And welcome to the board! :beer:

[Gabriel]

My own opinion is that trunk of her car and Zanny the Nanny are one and the same. From the first time Casey needed a sitter and didn't have one...that trunk became Zanny.

[farrahrani]

I sure wish someone out of all that lot questioned zanny the nanny. She had so many friends/family, and not a one of them ever saw or heard her talk to Zanny? I had a nanny from the time my son was 11 months until pre-school.

She was programmed into every phone we had - even our work phones. I have a paper trail a mile long showing payments made -- a nice write off at the end of the year.

George seems the type to make sure Casey filed taxes and how she could deduct nanny fees. Has she ever filed a tax return? I would sure love to know that.

My mom and dad had the number to our nanny in case we ever got hit by a bus and Austin was with the nanny (yes, there's usually "emergency numbers" given when it comes to a child.

I think George and Cindy really dropped the ball on this one. Was there ever a time that Cindy wanted to pick up Caylee from the nanny so they could go shopping or such? Both me and my husband did this often, and even our grandparents met the nanny.

For this to go on for years (zanny the nanny) and no one knowing about her is just insane -- it makes NO sense to me whatsoever. And those with children should understand where I'm coming from.

So while Caysey made up Zanny, those around her enabled her to continue with the charade.

Best,

:beer:

ITA. This is what many of us tried to stress in the beginning, you summed it up perfectly.

There are many excuses for some of the things, like...doing a quickfile at an H&R block kiosk or something to get the taxes, something she could just throw out there, that wouldn't be questioned so much.

With Cindy being a control freak, at least the way she appears to be throughout most of this, it's the most surprising thing of all to see that she had no input as to who was the nanny, no contact info, NOTHING. That is so completely out of character for her, I cannot fathom it.

And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Casey used the nonexistent nanny to drum up a few bucks here and there, ''hey mom, my paycheck's a bit thin, can you spot me twenty for Zanny till next week?" and that kind of thing. Another created expense to justify where her nonexistent paycheck is going AND still get more money at the same time.

[DeeN]

:mad:

At least sometimes. I also think this is how Caylee died.
I think that Casey chloroformed her to keep her quiet in the trunk, and she over dosed her and she died.

And/or she left her in there in the hot sun, and that killed her.



My own opinion is that trunk of her car and Zanny the Nanny are one and the same. From the first time Casey needed a sitter and didn't have one...that trunk became Zanny.

[DeeN]

Also, if Cindy wanted to write a check, Casey would just say Zanaida doesn't have a checking account. Casey could have gotten much more then $20. a week that way- she could have gotten several hundred dollars a week that way!

:beer:

ITA. This is what many of us tried to stress in the beginning, you summed it up perfectly.

There are many excuses for some of the things, like...doing a quickfile at an H&R block kiosk or something to get the taxes, something she could just throw out there, that wouldn't be questioned so much.

With Cindy being a control freak, at least the way she appears to be throughout most of this, it's the most surprising thing of all to see that she had no input as to who was the nanny, no contact info, NOTHING. That is so completely out of character for her, I cannot fathom it.

And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Casey used the nonexistent nanny to drum up a few bucks here and there, ''hey mom, my paycheck's a bit thin, can you spot me twenty for Zanny till next week?" and that kind of thing. Another created expense to justify where her nonexistent paycheck is going AND still get more money at the same time.

[barskin&co.]

:mad:

Let us not forget, The A's were pretty diligent in the camera taking. Why isn't there one photo, one christmas present (to and from) from ZFG. I know that she said she was getting services free from Jeff Hopkins (yah right). But doesn't every woman out there with a full time nanny have at least one pic of their child with the nanny -- Halloween, Christmas, Birthday's? Yes, I have them all. I just want to throttle her!

Christmas presents!I hadn't thought about that. And Zanny's birthdays.
You would think that the Anthonys would want to give a gift to someone who was such a part of the daughter/granddaughter's life.

[bhardy1956]

There was a post on the other thread before this one got created, and the poster said that "This Zenaida should just go away, because when Casey was shown her picture, she said that she wasn't the nanny" This is not the exact quote, but close enough.

I say, well of course she should, because Casey never lies!! (sarcasm of course) by me!

I say say without sarcasm, let Zenaida be, she was thrown into this, she didn't walk into this by herself. Casey deserves to be brought to justice not only for Caylee, but for all the people she violated.

[bhardy1956]

But IF THIS Zenaida is NOT the Zenaida in question ,then the only course of action is because she had a similar name and I say SIMILAR , because Zenaida's middle name or hyphened name was not Fernandez, Casey also said the name Zanny many times and does this have a kknown nickname of Zanny ? THIS Zenaida was also recently married and her last name now is Rosado .

I have no issues with defamation suits at all ,but this really needs looked at in the CONTEXT that this woman simply has a name the same ,the first and last the same as a name Casey threw out and also quiclky told police officers when shown a photo of this woman that it was NOT HER .

Now Zenaida says she lost her job because of..........? Does anyone know why she says she was fired ? Then she says she went to get a new job and was turned down ? Did the company literally say you can;t work here with a name like that ?

See I am talking about who is to blame ............Now if , if CASEY from way back premedatated and chose Zenaida and truly followed her around and such ,then thats one thing ,but Casey didn;t follow her around ,Casey was busy on the phone day and night and if not on the phone testing and calling she was on the internet instant messaging or playing on her myspace and if she wasn;t doing that she was partying ..............so when was it she followed this woman and stalked her to protray her as the lady who had babysat for 2 years for her............?


What Casey did throughout her random ridiculous acts were just as haphazard as her regard for her daughter.i mean if you look at the evidence CASEY didn't even have the FOCUS enough to properly ploy an ALIBI ...........I think because she had that she worked ,had a job she drummed up the name Zanny ,which is proven she did this long ago ( so she was not plotting this ZG all this time and when investigators asked for a formal name ,CASEY being an on spot liar threw out that formal name ..........it just so happens that THIS ZENAIDA has the same name as do the other 30 Zenaida Gonzalez'es in the Ornage county area and what about the ZG in the other counties as well as out of STATE ,what are they all going to do file a class action suit ...........

Also the proescution has to prove that CASEY plotted and schemed THIS ZENAIDA Gonzalez ..........and with the fact as even admitted by her EX Jesse that CASEY used the name ZANNI - ZANNY for a long long time ..I think its going to be hard to RULE BARD.........then there are the damages to prove ............Her employers made her lose her job ,again WHY .........? Because she had the same name ? I have no idea ,I have not heeard the REASON she says she lost her job ,but I have heard her SAY on TV that she had to go into hiding , now IF she says she had to go into hiding ,then WHY when noone ever saw her face before did she go on national TV on a case that is more popular then in a short time then the whole time frame of Jon Benet ...........HIDING out on national TV talking about how harmed she is all the WHILE SMILING the whole time ?....and her Attorney ,I don't even want to go there.........


I think this case is going to be a very hard win OMO because there was no INTENT to defame .....

Wouldn't you agree that the LE have really checked this girl out?
I don't think they would have put her on the witness list if there wasn't some actual value for her. We don't know that whole story yet, and will probably not until trial.

[Rayosunshine]

IMO, this law suit is all about $$$ and nothing else. It will be interesting if the case does go to court and her employer is called to the stand. Also, I would imagine she has had to tell her attorney who it was that refused to hire her, because of her name. EEOC doesn't apply when it comes to what you name is, but the fact that she is latin will surely come into play. Discrimination because she is hispanic. I can't see her attorney making any gains because she has the same name that Casey claimed was the babysitter's name. That is just stupid. If that's the case, then there should be a class action suit for all the the Zenaida's with the last name Gonzalez. But, you don't see any of then coming forward to join in. That is because they have enough sense to know better. There is my rant.

BTW, I think there is Zenaida/Casey connection, but I don't think it ties in with criminal activity on the part of Casey.

[marshmallow]

Also, if Cindy wanted to write a check, Casey would just say Zanaida doesn't have a checking account. Casey could have gotten much more then $20. a week that way- she could have gotten several hundred dollars a week that way!

I believe at the very begining of this mess it was said that Cindy/George paid for the sitter/nanny. My guess is Casey told them it was easier for the Nanny to be paid in cash.


on a side note:
I spent over 15 years of my life helping raise other people's children. Nothing as fancy as a nanny though. I babysat/did daycare so I could raise my sons and still keep a roof over our heads.
A week never went by that we didn't make/bake/d something that involved something to take home. Kids as young as 1 yr can create. We made Mother's Day, Father's Day, Christmas, Easter, Halloween, 4th of July, etc.etc.etc. projects. We learned the flowers and birds, had "A" weeks, "B" weeks, etc where we did all "A" things (ex. Apple, ants, Blue, birds, etc). We did things, took pictures, and things went home. Where were Caylee's things. At age 2 she should have been creating. There should be something to show for the nanny time, something the family can use to prove she was real. But there isn't... or if there is they aren't showing it.

[desmom]

I think the nanny was created so she would look better off than she was. She was hanging out with people her own age who were on their own and making it. Casey didn't want them to realize how she wasn't, so therefore a nanny was created. Her friends are working, bam, she is working at Universal.

She just wanted to enjoy her life and party like her friends were. My SIL did the same thing, except she lost her daughter in the divorce. My SIL saw her friends partying and such and she wanted to be included. Kind of hard to do with a little one...now she regrets it, but nothing can change what happened.

Why Casey just didn't admit to her friends that her parents were the main nanny? Again, keeping up appearances. Once you start a lie like this, kind of hard to stop it. :rolleyes:

I don't see her in the escort business unless she has a drug problem, because where is the money? She would have had some money...

MOOOOO!!!!

ITA!

A nanny is so much more impressive than "Caylee is at daycare" or "Caylee is at the babysitter". This family is about image.

Casey's "job" at Universal could have a schedule that varied from week to week. Cindy wouldn't want Casey waking Caylee late at night, so my money is on Cindy would volunteer to keep Caylee in the evenings while Casey was at "work".

Remember Amy mentions Caylee being at one of their parties. I bet Caylee was at more than 1 party. On the nights Cindy was unavailable, Casey would drag Caylee to the parties.

Casey dreams up names as she needs them. Zanny the Nanny may have came from the children's book. In Casey's h.s. graduating class, there is 1 - Zenaida, 1 - Fernandez and 7 - Gonzalez. http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

As for the ZG at Sawgrass...Casey contacted Matt Crisp about an apt in his complex for Tony on June 19. (Page 301) IIRC, Casey knew someone that lived at Sawgrass and had friends that lived across the street or near Sawgrass.

IMO, Casey stopped in to see about a Sawgrass Apt. for Tony or to visit her friends when ZG was there. She overheard a conversation because she knew her name, apt #210 and the color of the car. What she did not know was ZG did not rent the apt, she had children, the make of ZG's car and apt #210 had been vacant since Feb.

The ZG that went to Sawgrass apts is another victim of Casey.

jmo

[Joan Weiss]

But IF THIS Zenaida is NOT the Zenaida in question ,then the only course of action is because she had a similar name and I say SIMILAR , because Zenaida's middle name or hyphened name was not Fernandez, Casey also said the name Zanny many times and does this have a kknown nickname of Zanny ? THIS Zenaida was also recently married and her last name now is Rosado .

I have no issues with defamation suits at all ,but this really needs looked at in the CONTEXT that this woman simply has a name the same ,the first and last the same as a name Casey threw out and also quiclky told police officers when shown a photo of this woman that it was NOT HER .

Now Zenaida says she lost her job because of..........? Does anyone know why she says she was fired ? Then she says she went to get a new job and was turned down ? Did the company literally say you can;t work here with a name like that ?

See I am talking about who is to blame ............Now if , if CASEY from way back premedatated and chose Zenaida and truly followed her around and such ,then thats one thing ,but Casey didn;t follow her around ,Casey was busy on the phone day and night and if not on the phone testing and calling she was on the internet instant messaging or playing on her myspace and if she wasn;t doing that she was partying ..............so when was it she followed this woman and stalked her to protray her as the lady who had babysat for 2 years for her............?


What Casey did throughout her random ridiculous acts were just as haphazard as her regard for her daughter.i mean if you look at the evidence CASEY didn't even have the FOCUS enough to properly ploy an ALIBI ...........I think because she had that she worked ,had a job she drummed up the name Zanny ,which is proven she did this long ago ( so she was not plotting this ZG all this time and when investigators asked for a formal name ,CASEY being an on spot liar threw out that formal name ..........it just so happens that THIS ZENAIDA has the same name as do the other 30 Zenaida Gonzalez'es in the Ornage county area and what about the ZG in the other counties as well as out of STATE ,what are they all going to do file a class action suit ...........

Also the proescution has to prove that CASEY plotted and schemed THIS ZENAIDA Gonzalez ..........and with the fact as even admitted by her EX Jesse that CASEY used the name ZANNI - ZANNY for a long long time ..I think its going to be hard to RULE BARD.........then there are the damages to prove ............Her employers made her lose her job ,again WHY .........? Because she had the same name ? I have no idea ,I have not heeard the REASON she says she lost her job ,but I have heard her SAY on TV that she had to go into hiding , now IF she says she had to go into hiding ,then WHY when noone ever saw her face before did she go on national TV on a case that is more popular then in a short time then the whole time frame of Jon Benet ...........HIDING out on national TV talking about how harmed she is all the WHILE SMILING the whole time ?....and her Attorney ,I don't even want to go there.........


I think this case is going to be a very hard win OMO because there was no INTENT to defame .....You're outnumbered by all the TH attorneys on NG. They all agreed that she is going to win her suit.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/30/ng.01.html

Yes, there are other ZGs, but THIS one did look at the apt. where Casey says she dropped Caylee off. She lost her job because the media was dogging her at work. imo

[PolyGraph]

I posted this over on the other thread but just realized we are supposed to be posting here about zanny thanks to a poster! anyway, I was looking up some information about zanaida to try to find out how casey came up with her name, not something one would just come up with out of the blue...Although I know the whole story about how Casey saw the name at Sawgrass yada yada yada, I though how did she get the other info on Zanny, so I did my own computer research on ZFG. I saw one website thanks to a link on here that showed allthe lawsuits and people suing her in the Orlando Court system and there was one that really caught my attention! AT one time ZG was suing a man named JESUS ORTIZ!!! Now that is highly strange that that is the same man that Casey claimed was the father to Caylee. Now I certainly believe that ZG was a made up thing and that Casey is lying through her teeth, I just found it odd that two people casey mentioned happened to know each other or be affiliated somehow, very strange indeed.

Also my personal belief is that this ZG is not to truthful because if she was working and fired from casey anthony's claiming her as the kidnapper than how is she collecting ssi and welfare checks??? If she is on the system (which I was too so Im not saying there is anything wrong with that) but dont lie and say that you were working and got canned (then say oh I can go back there is I want to), because that is exactly what I heard her say in that interview that is linked on here. I am certain that at least here in NJ if you are on welfare you cannot earn over a certain amount of money working or you loose your assistance. How could she have been cleaning houses and collecting child support and collecting SSI benefits and telling the truth to all of these agencies at the same time? that would have been well over the money allowed to collect assistance, so it is in my oppinion that she is lying to someone!

MOO

[TxLady2]

She is never, ever going to get a cent, so I hope she can go on.

She was not the only Zenaida spoken to about Casey, are they all suing?

She is asking for donations, puhleese.

Can I have a link to the lawsuit where she is suing her employer that fired her because of Caseys accusation?

Oh, and shes now showing her face! She went from really wanting to be semi annonmousbarf to showing us her face, how chic! moo

Yes, that last statement of yours bothers me, too. She did not want the publicity, yet she's gone on several news shows and Today.
Plus, her lawyer said in one breath that it was not about the money, and in the next breath mentioned he heard the A team had already contacted different agencies about books and movie deals. So it IS about the money. He might be a respected lawyer... but he sounds like one that is after the money and wants the attention.
Oh, she might win a lawsuit... but I don't think it's fair.

[Joan Weiss]

Yes, that last statement of yours bothers me, too. She did not want the publicity, yet she's gone on several news shows and Today.
Plus, her lawyer said in one breath that it was not about the money, and in the next breath mentioned he heard the A team had already contacted different agencies about books and movie deals. So it IS about the money. He might be a respected lawyer... but he sounds like one that is after the money and wants the attention.
Oh, she might win a lawsuit... but I don't think it's fair.You might think differently if it were happening to you. I wouldn't be surprised to see all these message board posts brought into court. imo

[Joan Weiss]

I posted this over on the other thread but just realized we are supposed to be posting here about zanny thanks to a poster! anyway, I was looking up some information about zanaida to try to find out how casey came up with her name, not something one would just come up with out of the blue...Although I know the whole story about how Casey saw the name at Sawgrass yada yada yada, I though how did she get the other info on Zanny, so I did my own computer research on ZFG. I saw one website thanks to a link on here that showed allthe lawsuits and people suing her in the Orlando Court system and there was one that really caught my attention! AT one time ZG was suing a man named JESUS ORTIZ!!! Now that is highly strange that that is the same man that Casey claimed was the father to Caylee. Now I certainly believe that ZG was a made up thing and that Casey is lying through her teeth, I just found it odd that two people casey mentioned happened to know each other or be affiliated somehow, very strange indeed.

Also my personal belief is that this ZG is not to truthful because if she was working and fired from casey anthony's claiming her as the kidnapper than how is she collecting ssi and welfare checks??? If she is on the system (which I was too so Im not saying there is anything wrong with that) but dont lie and say that you were working and got canned (then say oh I can go back there is I want to), because that is exactly what I heard her say in that interview that is linked on here. I am certain that at least here in NJ if you are on welfare you cannot earn over a certain amount of money working or you loose your assistance. How could she have been cleaning houses and collecting child support and collecting SSI benefits and telling the truth to all of these agencies at the same time? that would have been well over the money allowed to collect assistance, so it is in my oppinion that she is lying to someone!

MOOWhere is the public assistance info? You think she would be suing if she was cheating? People are allowed to work while getting assistance. Why are you whining about this?

People don't give up their rights to sue just because they are on assistance, either. Is that what you are assuming?

I need a link to your statements. TIA

[GrandmaGA]

What happened to free speech? Usually when you point a finger you have what 4 more pointing back at you? How anyone can cry about Zenaida, then hop over to another thread and crucify a woman who lost her grandaughter and analyze a family they knew nothing about and are for the most part are running on assumptions are just baffling. Baffling. moo


ITA, VERY baffling. Well not really considering the hate frenzy that is swirling around the Anthony's and anyone who dares say one good thing about them. :shrug:

[brodysho]

I was reading/listening at the daily BS yesterday, and they exposed Zenaida as Zenaida C Gonzalez, not Fernandez Gonzalez. I'm thinking for that sole purpose, her case wont hold up in court.

I'm also wondering how Casey got info that there was even a Zenaida at the sawgrass apts on the 17th. I don't think those apartments just hand out the guest cards for anyone to see. I just don't get this whole KC/Zenaida connection. You can't deny there is some sort of connection though. The "coincidences" are too overwhelming. :confused:

[Joan Weiss]

I agree with all that ,thats for sure .........and yes this ZG said shes afraid and has to hide ? she is lieing ...she was never seen before the lawsuit scandal and then she broadcasts herself on national T.V , someone truly afraid would be afraid to get anymore publicity , its the publicity itself she says harmed her...its hypocritical NOW to say these things on T.V ................its a farce and to watch her smile as she explains how horrible her life is now ...please ..its a joke IMO .....

and if her Boss fired her for WHAT AGAIN...? Yes it appears that the Attorney saw a chance and as someone else said he discussed potential money from the case and how it could be obtained.....its sickening to me , when a person has truly been harmed ,thats one thing , to me ZG smiling and saying she was fired , saying she has had to go into hiding she is so scared and smiling while saying all this and then saying this all on T.V ,when noone knew who she was at all before .....I mean think of this .........the only eyebrows that may have risen were if she had to produce a drivers license to cash a check ...how many times does on do that these days ..its all debit and credit transactions mostly ..........and her friends know she is NOT THE ZANNY THE NANNY and her boss ..well I questuion that seriosly and will say no more on that ..but yeah the case to me is sickening , bottom line.I find it amazing that you have so much hatred for a woman who was dragged into this case and was just working and minding her own business.

As for Cindy, she lost all my sympathy when she showed the same type of hatred for anyone who wants to know where her granddaughter is.

Absolutely amazing. imo

[Joan Weiss]

As for cindy showing hatred for anyone ..i have not seen her display this ...what I can rationalise though is that CINDY does not have room in her broken heart for all that is occuring ,if she has lashed out in anger ..I can not blame her ..........I feel extreme symapthy for her and I'd give her a huge hug if I could .....only in sympathy for all she has gone through ..........God is taking care of Caylee and Casey will be judged by God when the time comes ...we do not have the answers ,but we have feelings and these are mine ...you don't have to agree , its okay.I don't need your permission for my opinion.

I have much compassion for ZG, who did nothing to deserve any of this. That's my opinion.

Maybe you have misdirected your anger.

[Joan Weiss]

Joan,


Maybe you have misdirected your anger? I have not seen cindy smiling and relishing in this nightmare she and the rest of the anthony's are living .I have seen people say they think she is enjoying the attention , I do not find any ,any evidence of that at all ,in contrast though I have SEEN and HEAR ZENAIDA saying how scared she is she had to go into hiding ...When she is obviously NOT , she actually did just the opposite ! she made herself known to the world . She has also smiled through all the public appearances she has made ...I'll bet you soon you won;t see that ,her Attorney is going to tell her to knock it off ...that it doesn't look good and she looks contradicting .

And Joan , comeone , what are you talking about , " you don't need my permission ? " I never said you did , but I see your in a MOOD ....so chat with you later.Yeh, she's smiling because she has an attorney, and that gives some relief, imo. She's also showing herself so that people will see her and know that she's not a perp, imo. SHE'S NOT A CRIMINAL. Why are you so he// bent on maligning her? Casey is the criminal, did you forget that?

Cindy smiles, that doesn't seem appropriate to me, under the circumstances.

I'm in a mood? Okaaaay. :rolleyes:

[Cheri_G]

This particular Zenaida has no place in this case other than the coincidence that she looked at an apartment at the Sawgrass. She does not fit the wholly description given by Casey. She was not pointed out in a line-up as being "the nanny". When shown a picture of her, Casey did not know her. If this woman is having problems as a result of this case, it is not of Casey's making. This womans surname is Gonzalez. The surname of the alleged nanny is Fernandez-Gonzalez. While similar they are two differnt names.

If I am remembering correctly, this Z's lawyer said they think Casey got her information from the guest card she filled out while visiting Sawgrass. The card has the date the apartment was shown which was the 17th of June this year, the name of the person showing the apartment, a few details about the apartment, Z's name and the name of her two children that live with her.

The names of the children on the card are not the same as the names Casey gave as Zanny the nanny's roommates. The card has no information about the car Z drove. Casey had mentioned, as far as I can tell, Zanny prior to Z's visit to the Sawgrass.

Like it or not, I don't think it was Casey's intention to implicate this particular woman.

As far as this woman's lawsuit goes, I think her case is weak.

[PolyGraph]

ITA, VERY baffling. Well not really considering the hate frenzy that is swirling around the Anthony's and anyone who dares say one good thing about them. :shrug:

Sooooo True!

[PolyGraph]

Yeah, I heard what they said. I think she stands a chance too ,but ONLY because as I said this case has so much publicity and the jury pool will come from the orange county fl area ,so most have bad feelings because of CASEY lying and such ,so given that respect ,ZG could win , but IF IF IF this were a regular run of the mill defamation suit ,ZG would not stand a chance , in fact ,I believe no Attorney woul dhave ever taken the case........AMO anyway ...:)

ITA....In my oppinion if the public didnt want to fry casey so bad, I too agree that the attorneys wouldnt have looked at this! and I agree with the other poster too, wheres the proof she was fired from her job? According to her she can get it back anytime? how is this fired then? A defense attorney could chew her up!

[PolyGraph]

I am surprised that you find my feelings amazing actually . I have NO judement to pass onto Cindy Anthony......How can I judge a woman who is going through what she is ? I do hear people saying here that Cindy is taking up for her daughter ,she just doesn't want to lose her daughter ...well her daughter is alive and her grandaughter is not most likely ,cindy does not know what really happened and if she did ,can I say that if I were in her position ? I don't know and PRAY to GOD I'll never have to live what she is living . No matter what you can't take that cindy has unconditional love for her daughter , because if you feel she is covering for Casey ,how can you call it anything else and HOW can cindy turn off the love for her daughter ? I am sure she destests many things she has done ,especially as of late ,but you can't fault her for loving her daughter Casey ....so as YOU can't believe that I could feel as I do ..I totally can not see how you don't feel as I ?



As for ZEnaida and your perception that I hate her , how could I ...what I despise is that she is trying to capitolise off the major publicity that this case has gotten and because CASEY said her name and even though CASEY admitted that the ZENAIDA she was refering to was not the ZENAIDA suing ,she continues on and all the while smiling ....you don't SEE that woman ZENAIDA smiling , you think she is feeling hurt and wronged and she is scared and hiding ???? Its obvious its the opposite of all I have said ...........just by her actions ..........

Casey is someone to be reckoned with ,I know she has lied and is responsible for whatever happened to her daughter , but I do not fault a mothers love and if Cindy is or was protecting her daughter ,I can't fault her either ...I'd never want to have to choose ...........its just as simple as all that.

GREAT POST! ITA....:beer:

[Cheri_G]

Thankyou fpr pointing out all the facts. I had forgotten that spaniards usally keep their maiden name and it becomes hyphenated and an extension of the surname. Fernandez' Gonzalez as opposed to Zenaida C. Gonzalez................The Attorney I feel couldn't reisist some publicity and a shot in the dark on some proffit that maybe way down the road with any book , movie or other deals.

I really feel like Zenaida needs to go out looking for another job ASAP ..Did some say they are asking for donations , is this TRUE ?

Please make no mistake... while I don't think she has a case for a lawsuit against the Anthony's, I do believe people may be harrasssing her. My opinion is that she needs to go after those people harrassing her and not the Anthony's.

[PolyGraph]

Thankyou fpr pointing out all the facts. I had forgotten that spaniards usally keep their maiden name and it becomes hyphenated and an extension of the surname. Fernandez' Gonzalez as opposed to Zenaida C. Gonzalez................The Attorney I feel couldn't reisist some publicity and a shot in the dark on some proffit that maybe way down the road with any book , movie or other deals.

I really feel like Zenaida needs to go out looking for another job ASAP ..Did some say they are asking for donations , is this TRUE ?

I could have sworn I read she had SSI. So Im not sure how that even allows her to work. Anyway, My biggest beef with her is not only that she is trying to milk this case for all its worth but and its a very BIG BUT, LOL, Why hasnt she even shown an ounce of interest in the fact that a child has gone missing and perhaps even said "gee i hope that they find caylee" or "i am so sorry to the family" or something to show some type of compassion for that child. I dont think Ive heard one bit of sympathy from her so this is why I have no "liking" at all for this woman!!!

If I were her, I would be like oh my god I want to help find the little girl or something, I wouldnt just talk about how "oh woe is me crap" all day. That is why I have the biggest dislike for her. IMOO she is all about the almighty dollar. She never mentions Caylee...

I pray they find Caylee soon!:rose:

[evalles]

I am surprised that you find my feelings amazing actually . I have NO judement to pass onto Cindy Anthony......How can I judge a woman who is going through what she is ? I do hear people saying here that Cindy is taking up for her daughter ,she just doesn't want to lose her daughter ...well her daughter is alive and her grandaughter is not most likely ,cindy does not know what really happened and if she did ,can I say that if I were in her position ? I don't know and PRAY to GOD I'll never have to live what she is living . No matter what you can't take that cindy has unconditional love for her daughter , because if you feel she is covering for Casey ,how can you call it anything else and HOW can cindy turn off the love for her daughter ? I am sure she destests many things she has done ,especially as of late ,but you can't fault her for loving her daughter Casey ....so as YOU can't believe that I could feel as I do ..I totally can not see how you don't feel as I ?


As for ZEnaida and your perception that I hate her , how could I ...what I despise is that she is trying to capitolise off the major publicity that this case has gotten and because CASEY said her name and even though CASEY admitted that the ZENAIDA she was refering to was not the ZENAIDA suing ,she continues on and all the while smiling ....you don't SEE that woman ZENAIDA smiling , you think she is feeling hurt and wronged and she is scared and hiding ???? Its obvious its the opposite of all I have said ...........just by her actions ..........

Casey is someone to be reckoned with ,I know she has lied and is responsible for whatever happened to her daughter , but I do not fault a mothers love and if Cindy is or was protecting her daughter ,I can't fault her either ...I'd never want to have to choose ...........its just as simple as all that.

I don't think she's Fernandez G regardless of what the petition claims. I this she's going to be exposed as a liar also.
I checked the OC clerk's site and a ZG had 2 family court cases to abtain child support for 2 children with the names that she gave to Sawgrass. Actually one was just for Mychelle, the other for both but the same father was listed on both cases.
One case lists her as Z Obo Gonzalez.

[Joan Weiss]

I could have sworn I read she had SSI. So Im not sure how that even allows her to work. Anyway, My biggest beef with her is not only that she is trying to milk this case for all its worth but and its a very BIG BUT, LOL, Why hasnt she even shown an ounce of interest in the fact that a child has gone missing and perhaps even said "gee i hope that they find caylee" or "i am so sorry to the family" or something to show some type of compassion for that child. I dont think Ive heard one bit of sympathy from her so this is why I have no "liking" at all for this woman!!!

If I were her, I would be like oh my god I want to help find the little girl or something, I wouldnt just talk about how "oh woe is me crap" all day. That is why I have the biggest dislike for her. IMOO she is all about the almighty dollar. She never mentions Caylee...

I pray they find Caylee soon!:rose:SSI allows people to work. Having SSI does not bar recipients from asserting their rights, or using the court system. They don't give up their rights or become lesser citizens. Nobody has come up with a link to support the SSI staement. imo

[Joan Weiss]

I don't think she's Fernandez G regardless of what the petition claims. I this she's going to be exposed as a liar also.
I checked the OC clerk's site and a ZG had 2 family court cases to abtain child support for 2 children with the names that she gave to Sawgrass. Actually one was just for Mychelle, the other for both but the same father was listed on both cases.
One case lists her as Z Obo Gonzalez.Maybe that's not her. :rolleyes: She's not the criminal in this case.

[evalles]

Maybe that's not her. :rolleyes: She's not the criminal in this case.


Well, on the guest card at Sawgrass she gave the names of her 2 children and there's a court case involving those same 2 children and ZG.
One case involving these children and the father, gives only Z Gonzalez.
The other with the older child and the same father it's Z Obo Gonzalez.
Her attorney filed a petition stating her name is Z Fernandez Gonzalez.
I think it will come out that there's no Fernandez in her name.

[Joan Weiss]

I don't think she's Fernandez G regardless of what the petition claims. I this she's going to be exposed as a liar also.
I checked the OC clerk's site and a ZG had 2 family court cases to abtain child support for 2 children with the names that she gave to Sawgrass. Actually one was just for Mychelle, the other for both but the same father was listed on both cases.
One case lists her as Z Obo Gonzalez.So what? What gives you the right to invade her privacy?

[Rayosunshine]

There is a ZG on People Search with a home town of Isabela, PR. That is the same home town listed for JP Chatt's dad on the real estate info.

[evalles]

So what? What gives you the right to invade her privacy?

The Orange County Cerk gave me the right to look at her PUBLIC RECORDS. The sunshine law doesn't just apply to the Anthony's.
If she signed off on a petitioned filed in court stating that she's ZFG and she's not, she could also be facing some charges.
I want facts before jumping on the ZG bandwagon.

[Pag Boi]

So what? What gives you the right to invade her privacy?

My best guess is that it is the same right you invoke to invade JP Chatt's.

[evalles]

There is a ZG on People Search with a home town of Isabela, PR. That is the same home town listed for JP Chatt's dad on the real estate info.


That's interesting, but we're finding that ZG's name isn't as uncommon as one would think. My understanding is that KC hasn't known JP very long.

[Pag Boi]

There is a ZG on People Search with a home town of Isabela, PR. That is the same home town listed for JP Chatt's dad on the real estate info.

Since LE stated that there are 100's with that name in FL, I would imagine there are even more with that name in PR. Ya think?

[PolyGraph]

Privacy ? Invade someones privacy ?


County clerk of court records are PUBLIC , but beyond that you say this about a woman who claimed to be so troubled and in fear of the backlash she has gotten over having a similar name ,and when NOONE even knew what she LOOKED LIKE she and her Attorney decided he needed to be recognised and so they went on national T.V so that evertone could see this ZG .....if someone wants privacy they do not go on national T.V , its a hypochricy what she and her Attorney have spoken ,IMO.


Now lets talk about privacy a moment on a much more SERIOUS " Not frivilous scenario" The Anthony's had no choice but to be exposed
" Cindy and George " Talk about getting stuck in the middle of a nightmare ! The Antony's couldn't even get a nights sleep because people were invading their PRIVATE HOME , and much worse.

Legal protest are legal ,the kind of protest that was occuring at the anthony hoem WAS NOT LEGAL , protestors who acted with malice and threw rocks at their home at 1:30 in the morning .......who threatened the lives of all of the Anthony's and more .........all the while these people are waking up EACH DAY to this nightmare they had to relive again and again ..and when will it be over for them ?????

They can not escape the nightmare they are living .some have said ZENAIDA G , was thrown into the middle of all this ............IMO SHE wanted so badly to get her name out there she chose national T.V , she doesn't deserve anything at this point IMO , if there were a shred of sympathy to be had for her ,it is gone gone gone.........


But the Anthoys must wake up each day ,if they get any sleep at all and their first thought upon awakening is most likely

" Is this really true ,please let it be a nightmare that our little Caylee is gone and that our daughter is responsible and good gosh their lives are never going to be the same ,and no matter WHY , the daughter they born into the world themselves is going to be lost to them as well , but slowly as the rest of the LIVING nightmare unfolds.........so PRIVACY .................????? I am sure you know by now what I see about the privacy ,should be more like people acting HUMAN in the face of this tragedy , the anthony's have literally been forced to become hermits , crucified for even coming out of her home to pull weeds in the evening, after the hot florida SUN has gone down ............


If you want to know true grief and crusification ,just ask the Anthony's I am sure they could write a BOOK !

:beer: You have said everything I wanted to say in defense of the Anthony's all this time! I have steered clear of chastising them but in fear of other posters assuming If I defend them I am defending casey! I definately am NOT defending casey but I do feel bad for g and c because they were thrown into the lion's cage with this. Although I do agree with LP that Cindy knows exactly whats going on and she is protecting casey because that is her daughter. Like I have said in previous posts I believe more people than none would protect their children given the situation that may fry them in the electric chair!!! For their behavior they are getting crucified right along with casey and I dont think that is fair! I would have moved so fast already if I were them!!! I would move out to the mountains and not tell a SOUL where I was, lol.

For Caylee (Our pretty little Angel)..:rose:

[Joan Weiss]

My best guess is that it is the same right you invoke to invade JP Chatt's.What are you talking about? I haven't invaded Chatt's privacy. If I were to do that, I'd know where he works, what he studies, what his parent's names are, where they live, and how much money they make. I don't.

And I'm not interested in finding out.

[Joan Weiss]

I was reading/listening at the daily BS yesterday, and they exposed Zenaida as Zenaida C Gonzalez, not Fernandez Gonzalez. I'm thinking for that sole purpose, her case wont hold up in court.

I'm also wondering how Casey got info that there was even a Zenaida at the sawgrass apts on the 17th. I don't think those apartments just hand out the guest cards for anyone to see. I just don't get this whole KC/Zenaida connection. You can't deny there is some sort of connection though. The "coincidences" are too overwhelming. :confused:You're wrong. The daily BS is just that. imo

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Old 09-25-2008, 02:26 PM
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I got this from a thread on WS.

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Default.aspx

Off to the left, click on, case search, then civil. Then type in, last name, Anthony, first name, Casey and hit, search for cases. Once that loads, click on details to reveal this:
Subject ID Full Name Party Type Status
D-A CASEY ANTHONY DEFENDANT
P-A ZENAIDA FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ PLAINTIFF
P-A JOHN BRYAN MORGAN ATTORNEY

As you can clearly see, ZG's middle name is indeed (hyphen LOL) Fernandez.
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I thought Zenaidas last name now is ROSADO , she was recently married , anyone hear this ?No, I have heard nothing of any husband. If that was true, the legal suit would note that name, probably with a hypen, lol. imo

[Rayosunshine]

I thought Zenaidas last name now is ROSADO , she was recently married , anyone hear this ?

I had read somewhere that the Z with last name, Rosado, worked for the post office, so does her husband. This wouldn't be the same ZG??

[Rayosunshine]

Who is Zan?
A reverse phone look up puts this person in Gloucester, MA. Area code: 978

[Joan Weiss]

Who is Zan?
A reverse phone look up puts this person in Gloucester, MA. Area code: 978I doubt it. Careful now, you might stimulate another legal suit. imo

[barskin&co.]

Well I agree with you polygraph ,but then there are no mountains in florida and they can't leave their kids Casey and LEE ,so they are stuck.

I am wondering about this JP Chatt now and if he is the real father of Caylee .I saw this on this link ................the resemblance is in fact STRIKING ............................!


http://www.zimbio.com/Casey+Anthony/articles/156/JP+Chatt+Possibly+Caylee+Anthony+Father

Casey knows JP Chatt, because he is the landlord/roommate of Amy and Ricardo, whom Casey met a year ago. This would make it difficult for him to father a child who was born in August 2005.

[Rayosunshine]

I doubt it. Careful now, you might stimulate another legal suit. imo

They can sue LE or whoever put out the records.

[evalles]

You're wrong. The daily BS is just that. imo

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I got this from a thread on WS.

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Default.aspx

Off to the left, click on, case search, then civil. Then type in, last name, Anthony, first name, Casey and hit, search for cases. Once that loads, click on details to reveal this:
Subject ID Full Name Party Type Status
D-A CASEY ANTHONY DEFENDANT
P-A ZENAIDA FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ PLAINTIFF
P-A JOHN BRYAN MORGAN ATTORNEY

As you can clearly see, ZG's middle name is indeed (hyphen LOL) Fernandez.
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I saw this and my opinion stands. I think it will come out that her name isn't Fernandez hyphen Gonzalez, I might be wrong but just because her attorney says it doesn't make it so.

[Joan Weiss]

I saw this and my opinion stands. I think it will come out that her name isn't Fernandez hyphen Gonzalez, I might be wrong but just because her attorney says it doesn't make it so.It's a court filing. :rolleyes:

[evalles]

It's a court filing. :rolleyes:



Soo. You don't have to show ID to file a petition in court, it's when they go to court that they have to prove their case. :rolleyes:
We haven't seen the defenses response to the petition.
They'll be able to question everything in the petition.
My opinion, based on information that I've seen is that this ZG's name isn't ZFG. I'll have to wait for the hearing, when all the evidence comes out to know if I'm right or not.
Remember, there's a court filing stating that Casey is not guilt on the neglect charges. Does that make it true ?

[Joan Weiss]

Soo. You don't have to show ID to file a petition in court, it's when they go to court that they have to prove their case. :rolleyes:
We haven't seen the defenses response to the petition.
They'll be able to question everything in the petition.
My opinion, based on information that I've seen is that this ZG's name isn't ZFG. I'll have to wait for the hearing, when all the evidence comes out to know if I'm right or not.
Remember, there's a court filing stating that Casey is not guilt on the neglect charges. Does that make it true ?Casey was arrested. Casey is not in control of her court proceedings. LE is. Did you forget that?:lol:

[evalles]

Casey was arrested. Casey is not in control of her court proceedings. LE is. Did you forget that?:lol:


I don't understand your post. Who said Casey was in control of her court proceedings ? You think LE is in charge of court proceedings ?:lol:
LE submits their findings to the DA who decides if there's enough evidence to file charges and then the JUDGE is in charge. LE is in charge of the investigation not court proceedings.:lol:

The point I was trying to make is that anybody can file a petition in court but the allegations have to be proven, which means that just because ZG's attorney filed a petition in court does not mean that everything in the petition is fact. If everything filed in court was factual we'd have to surmise that Baez's response of 'not guilty' to CA's charges were true also.

[evalles]

She has hired a well known competent attorney. I doubt very much he would file a petition for a client under a false name or alias. The suit would be invalid, so it would be pointless to do so. ZFG is her name. To suggest otherwise after reading this legal filing is really off the wall IMO. :shrug:


I disagree only because of the family court case involving involving ZG and her two daughters. In the first case the court listed her name as Z Obo Gonzalez. The second case just lists her as Z Gonzalez.
These cases involved ZG and the children she listed on the Sawgrass guest card so I'm reasonably certain it's her. In order for that name to be on the court order that way, it had to have been filed that way.

So, if there's a court order (involving her children I might add) filed under Z Obo Gonzalez and one under ZFG how is it off the wall to question it ? Her answers seemed pretty vague on NG, maybe they were just as vague to her attorney. I'm waiting for court.

BTW, if I hadn't seen the family court case under Obo G, I probably wouldn't be doubting this filing.

If both cases belong to ZG, which one is accurate ?

Also I think they're looking for a settlement. It might not matter.

[Katprint]

If they are looking for a settlement ,its gonna have to wait ,because Casey has no money and if they are going to try to get it from the parents I can't see that happening (ie) if Geroge and Cindy were to give rights to someone for a book or movie for instance ,it is still not Casey's money , so what is the real reason an Attorney would take the case?

Publicity ? , just curious ,thats all.

I think this defamation case is so silly , the lady just needs to move on.
It's true that any judgment against Casey may be like the Goldman family's judgment against OJ. However, if I have to choose between the Anthony family profiting by selling their own family memorabilia (family photos, family movies, etc.) to the media, and that money going to ZFG along with potential book/movie/TV rights, then I pick ZFG. ZFG may not be a saint, but she is clearly not responsible for Caylee's disappearance whereas the Anthonys are either directly or indirectly (creating/enabling for Casey's extreme selfishness, lying and stealing, and apparent lack of any concern or empathy for others) responsible and therefore should not profit from it.

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ETA: The victim can recover for "unjust enrichment" against anyone else who benefits from the victim's injury (in the case of ZFG, that would be the defamation/invasion of privacy.) In a nutshell, if George or Cindy sold book/movie/TV rights and ZFG was mentioned in any way, then they have been unjustly enriched at her expense. Furthermore, George and Cindy have also "republished" Casey's slander against ZFG and so they are independently liable for those "republishings" as well. Thus, they are not immune from liability on this issue.

If any California-based entertainment company is involved, the victim can assert her exclusive Right of Publicity http://library.findlaw.com/1998/Feb/1/130405.html and get compensated for that as well.

[cathiesblogs]

Sounds like a way to get out of the law suit that Zenaida has got going on..but all the evidence pointed to Casey trying to say it was "this" Zenaida..hey she "DID" go to the apartment and fill out an application..How in the world is Casey getting by with all of this bull ?? I wish that Casey was actually wanting to lead the police to her babies body..put her at peace..instead of keeping with this crazy charade !!..

[evalles]

If they are looking for a settlement ,its gonna have to wait ,because Casey has no money and if they are going to try to get it from the parents I can't see that happening (ie) if Geroge and Cindy were to give rights to someone for a book or movie for instance ,it is still not Casey's money , so what is the real reason an Attorney would take the case?

Publicity ? , just curious ,thats all.

I think this defamation case is so silly , the lady just needs to move on.


I think it's definitely publicity related for the attorney and $$ related for ZG. In the docs I saw they're suing for $15k. If the Anthony's have it, it might be easier to just pay her and be done with her. They can pay and still not admit guilt, it can be part of the settlement. If ZG wants $$ in the future then no, they won't settle.
I don't get ZG. There are other ZG's and they're not suing. The only way anybody knows that she was the one that went to Sawgrass is because she's suing. Her life wasn't stable anyway. She lived in a motel.
If she was being harassed because her # & address were given to the media, she could just move to a new motel and change her cel phone #.
What is that inconvenience worth ? $200 maybe ?

[desmom]

It is interesting to note that Zenaida has also been taken to court on eviction by Ortiz SENIOR - the father of the guy Casey claims is Caylee's father who died in an auto accident.

Coincidental connections there? I think not! :)

Casey never claimed Ortiz was Caylee's father. His name was brought up as possibility when George and Cindy said Caylee's father died about a year ago. Someone saw Casey had a memorial for young Mr. Ortiz's on her myspace page. Message boards, crime boards and the media questioned if this could be Caylee's father.

I checked Ms. Gonzalez name through the clerk's office. Orange County had 5 Zenaida Gonzalez - 3 with date of births listed (all different) and 2 without.

One of the ZG's, without a date of birth listed, does have an eviction case, but I did not see Mr. Ortiz's name in the records. How can you be sure this is the same ZG that has been discussed in this case?

jmo

[evalles]

did ZG really drive a hummer and live off SS with her 6 kids ? !!! Wow !


WOW. Where'd you see this ?

[desmom]

did ZG really drive a hummer and live off SS with her 6 kids ? !!! Wow !


IMO, no....

[brom4880]

I'm wondering if the police ever checked out the suppossed mom of Zenaida by the name of Gloria Gonzalez.

In one of the tapes Casey states that Gloria Gonzalez lived on Michigan St.

Coincidentally there is also an Anthony with the same address as a Gloria Gonzalez on Michigan St. in Orlando. Probable all coincidence, but odd.

I didn't notice an Anthony lived there too, but yes I did also find this Gloria L. Gonzalez living on that same street (and her name is not very common) according to the property records. She was living at 5550 E. Michigan street, Unit 3310, since 2005, and what I find strange is that she was foreclosed on by Accredited Home Lenders of California in April of this year meaning within a month or two likely she would have been evicted and have to move, maybe with her daughter Zenaida, possibly around the time Caylee disappeared, and Casey had said Zenaida was looking for an apartment around April I believe.

This same Gloria also formerly lived in Fort Lauderdale (according to an Intelius search) where I found a Gloria Gonzalez previously living a couple blocks from a Zenaida F. Gonzalez (BTW the Sawgrass guest card did not say Fernandez - why would that be made up? And the family names Casey gave were not the family names of the Zenaida the police questioned. There are 30+ Zenaida Gonzalez listings in Florida), and Cindy had said in an August interview that Zenaida had a cellphone with a Fort Lauderdale number.

This all seems to be too much of a coincidence to me. I sent this tip to the investigators in Orlando, and apparently they don't think its important, but I would think if they wanted to make sure they could easily contact the mortgage company to get records like previous addresses, family members, employers, and other personal info, check mail forwarding or insurance beneficiaries, etc. to at least see if they can locate Gloria to question her or see if any of the beneficiary documents indicate she has daughters Samantha and Zenaida.

I think its also curious regarding the timing how as soon as Casey formally asked for permission to go search she gets charged with homicide, which likely was an attempt to cause her request to be denied. She is going to be accompanied so you have to wonder what they fear she'll find. (she claims she searched in the first month, but fear of the media and protesters, confinement, and lack of information as to where else to look stopped her after that, but she and her lawyer may have new information now they didn't have before that tells her where else to look)

Regarding the evidence, I've worked in scientific research for almost 20 years and have seen information from other sources including a forensic expert forum that indicates hair has been known to form a band in several situations, not just post-mortem, including being exposed to heat or light long-term or contaminated. Tests were taken 30 days later after sitting in a car & tests can be flawed.

Additionally, Cindy said she cleaned out the car after the pizza box with maggots was in there (she didn't know at first what caused the smell because the guy who towed the car tossed the bag over the fence at his shop according to the released police documents), and I have personally seen studies and journal articles (including from the Journal of Environmental Science & Technology -- see one link below) that show chloroform can form from certain degraded or combined common chemical cleaning products so finding traces of chloroform would not be that unusual, and I would be suspicious of the claim that they found a large amount since no one else noticed a strong smell of chloroform and again this testing was 30 days later.

http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2007/feb/science/ee_chloroform.html

All these things raise questions for me.

[barskin&co.]

I didn't notice an Anthony lived there too, but yes I did also find this Gloria L. Gonzalez living on that same street (and her name is not very common) according to the property records. She was living at 5550 E. Michigan street, Unit 3310, since 2005, and what I find strange is that she was foreclosed on by Accredited Home Lenders of California in April of this year meaning within a month or two likely she would have been evicted and have to move, maybe with her daughter Zenaida, possibly around the time Caylee disappeared, and Casey had said Zenaida was looking for an apartment around April I believe.

This same Gloria also formerly lived in Fort Lauderdale (according to an Intelius search) where I found a Gloria Gonzalez previously living a couple blocks from a Zenaida F. Gonzalez (BTW the Sawgrass guest card did not say Fernandez - why would that be made up? And the family names Casey gave were not the family names of the Zenaida the police questioned. There are 30+ Zenaida Gonzalez listings in Florida), and Cindy had said in an August interview that Zenaida had a cellphone with a Fort Lauderdale number.

This all seems to be too much of a coincidence to me. I sent this tip to the investigators in Orlando, and apparently they don't think its important, but I would think if they wanted to make sure they could easily contact the mortgage company to get records like previous addresses, family members, employers, and other personal info, check mail forwarding or insurance beneficiaries, etc. to at least see if they can locate Gloria to question her or see if any of the beneficiary documents indicate she has daughters Samantha and Zenaida.

I think its also curious regarding the timing how as soon as Casey formally asked for permission to go search she gets charged with homicide, which likely was an attempt to cause her request to be denied. She is going to be accompanied so you have to wonder what they fear she'll find. (she claims she searched in the first month, but fear of the media and protesters, confinement, and lack of information as to where else to look stopped her after that, but she and her lawyer may have new information now they didn't have before that tells her where else to look)

Regarding the evidence, I've worked in scientific research for almost 20 years and have seen information from other sources including a forensic expert forum that indicates hair has been known to form a band in several situations, not just post-mortem, including being exposed to heat or light long-term or contaminated. Tests were taken 30 days later after sitting in a car & tests can be flawed.

Additionally, Cindy said she cleaned out the car after the pizza box with maggots was in there (she didn't know at first what caused the smell because the guy who towed the car tossed the bag over the fence at his shop according to the released police documents), and I have personally seen studies and journal articles (including from the Journal of Environmental Science & Technology -- see one link below) that show chloroform can form from certain degraded or combined common chemical cleaning products so finding traces of chloroform would not be that unusual, and I would be suspicious of the claim that they found a large amount since no one else noticed a strong smell of chloroform and again this testing was 30 days later.

http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2007/feb/science/ee_chloroform.html

All these things raise questions for me.

You've got to be kidding.

[Pag Boi]

Brom if you ever come back , help..the link didnt work , can you fix it .

The link does work if you copy it & paste it in your browser. Just scroll over it w/your mouse & right click go to propreties. Then copy the link & paste it in new winow.

It's a s-t-r-e-t-c-h JMOO. Researchers will be able to source the chloroform if it derived from this soap :chicken:

[enigma]

~~ SNIP ~~

I think its also curious regarding the timing how as soon as Casey formally asked for permission to go search she gets charged with homicide, which likely was an attempt to cause her request to be denied. She is going to be accompanied so you have to wonder what they fear she'll find. (she claims she searched in the first month, but fear of the media and protesters, confinement, and lack of information as to where else to look stopped her after that, but she and her lawyer may have new information now they didn't have before that tells her where else to look)

During that month when Casey claims to have searched for Caylee, she has already searched Tony Lazzaro's apartment, Jess's place, the Fusian club and the tatoo parlour, all of which were/are places of interest to the case. (She even went to shopping centres!) Of course, there's still Blanchard park and the woods over near the airport, but hasn't Casey and/or the family said they won't search for a body, only for a live Caylee?

Regarding the evidence, I've worked in scientific research for almost 20 years and have seen information from other sources including a forensic expert forum that indicates hair has been known to form a band in several situations, not just post-mortem, including being exposed to heat or light long-term or contaminated. Tests were taken 30 days later after sitting in a car & tests can be flawed.

Long term exposure to heat and/or light... Did the information you saw from these sources give an indication as how "long term" is defined for these purposes? Is it a week? A month? A year? Keeping in mind that Caylee was not quite 3 when she disappeared...

Test can be flawed, of course. But all of them? Hair, body fluids, air samples? What is this? Serial human error?

Additionally, Cindy said she cleaned out the car after the pizza box with maggots was in there (she didn't know at first what caused the smell because the guy who towed the car tossed the bag over the fence at his shop according to the released police documents)

SODDI. In this case it's the guy who towed the car's fault...

, and I have personally seen studies and journal articles (including from the Journal of Environmental Science & Technology -- see one link below) that show chloroform can form from certain degraded or combined common chemical cleaning products so finding traces of chloroform would not be that unusual, and I would be suspicious of the claim that they found a large amount since no one else noticed a strong smell of chloroform and again this testing was 30 days later.

I don't remember the reports stating that a large amount of chloroform was found... Just that chloroform was found. And I'm pretty sure that the results of the tests and the findings LE released weren't based on someone sniffing the trunk.

It was also reported that *someone* researched chloroform using a PC that was seized by LE during the execution of a search warrant. Cleaning chemicals didn't do that, surely.

I apologize if I sound a bit sarcastic, but really! Unless you think the forensic teams who were involved in all the tests and analyses are totally incompetent at what they do for a living or they've never read a professional article in the course of their studies or careers, or else have colluded to falsify their findings, what you're suggest doesn't make sense to me.

JMHO, though...

[FrankieBones1]

You've got to be kidding.I'm sure she is, Bar. This whole thread is like a bad sci-fi story.

[MyrDawn]

I'm sure she is, Bar. This whole thread is like a bad sci-fi story.

ITA The "Attack Of The Killer Tomaotes", and "Plan 9 From Outerspace" come to mind. :D

[joolz]

I'm sure she is, Bar. This whole thread is like a bad sci-fi story.


:D The first red flag went up at the statement that Gloria Gonzalez is not a common name. And it just went downhill from there.

ITA with the bad sci-fi story description. Perhaps the poster meant she had worked in science fiction research, not sicentific research. Easy to mix up, right?

[lyannea]

:D The first red flag went up at the statement that Gloria Gonzalez is not a common name. And it just went downhill from there.

ITA with the bad sci-fi story description. Perhaps the poster meant she had worked in science fiction research, not sicentific research. Easy to mix up, right?


I agree.
When I first started to read the post, I thought it may be coming from one of the Anthony's ( or is it my imagination?), especially when discussing the chloriform- only some of the facts are mentioned, but not all ( searches on the computer for chloriform)
My opinion was that the poster was attempting to "justify" actions, and not only report them.

IMO, of course

[barskin&co.]

Good work, enigma, on analyzing the flaws in the post from a newbie who claims to have "worked in scientific research for almost 20 years" and yet spouts rather dubious theories. Here's another line from our one post wonder's message that struck me:

Cindy had said in an August interview that Zenaida had a cellphone with a Fort Lauderdale number.

Oh, really? How would Cindy know that, since Cindy admits she never spoke to her on the phone or anywhere else, no had she ever called her? No one from Team Casey has come up with any phone number for any phone belonging to Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah.

That's the problem. This is a woman whom Casey "knew for 4 years," Used as a "nanny for a year and a half." Yet, there is not one phone number received on Casey's phone, received on any phone, posted on the Anthony's refrigerator door...that belongs to a "Zenaida."
Nor has Team Casey come up with one single valid address (strange, when Casey claimed to crash there, from time to time), one photograph, the Jeff Hopkins who also used ZF-G's services, or one person who also knew Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah. We are talking about a woman, who, according to Casey, lived in Orlando for at least 4years, babysat at least one other child, had a mother, a sister and a roommate. Amazing!

[barskin&co.]

Has anyone got a good explanation of WHY Ricardo had a HUGE picture on his myspace site that had a girl and guy standing very close and the titel was

" Win her over with Chloroform " ?

When you do a google search for chloroform related to intamacy you find alot , alot of bizarre sexual inuendos about that , it seems to be aknown DRUG per- se amoung SOME people .............so Ricardo having that on his myspace and Casey dating him in the past makes me question highly WHAT the chloroforms real purpsoe was for ................and the computer searches !

I think this nonsense has been talked about and explained. What on earth does is have to do with whether there is a real Zenaida in Casey and Caylee's life?
The fact is the only person in the world who has claimed that a woman named Zenida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah was Caylee's "nanny's" for a year and a half, from an alleged personal direct knowledge, is Casey. She, however, has failed to present one single, solitary piece of evidence of her existence, and has in fact told LE lie, after lie. Being called upon to prove a negative is wrong. Casey is the one who must prove what she, and only she, has said.

[enigma]

Good work, enigma, on analyzing the flaws in the post from a newbie who claims to have "worked in scientific research for almost 20 years" and yet spouts rather dubious theories. Here's another line from our one post wonder's message that struck me:



Oh, really? How would Cindy know that, since Cindy admits she never spoke to her on the phone or anywhere else, no had she ever called her? No one from Team Casey has come up with any phone number for any phone belonging to Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah.

That's the problem. This is a woman whom Casey "knew for 4 years," Used as a "nanny for a year and a half." Yet, there is not one phone number received on Casey's phone, received on any phone, posted on the Anthony's refrigerator door...that belongs to a "Zenaida."
Nor has Team Casey come up with one single valid address (strange, when Casey claimed to crash there, from time to time), one photograph, the Jeff Hopkins who also used ZF-G's services, or one person who also knew Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah. We are talking about a woman, who, according to Casey, lived in Orlando for at least 4years, babysat at least one other child, had a mother, a sister and a roommate. Amazing!

Thanks, barskin :seeya:

Exactly. Zenaida is the invisible nanny, if ever there was one. As it has been said before, there aren't many of us (if any) who have discussed this subject who would entrust their child to someone whose phone number they didn't have and whose address they didn't know. That's just madness. As for Cindy, IF she ever said what that poster claims, then she is just contradicting herself again and getting caught up in her own lies... just like her daughter.

JMHO...

[Destini]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092408zenaidalawsuit/1/lg/Scan001_Page_1.htm

I found this link this morning that shows the whole lawsuit Zenaida has filed against Casey in PDF format. Maybe everyone knew this but me, but her name actually is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, not just Zenaida Gonzalez.

So what was all that about Casey saying LE had interviewed the wrong Zenaida and they needed to keep searching for the Z FERNANDEZ G?? I mean, what are the odds there's another person with that exact name. And this woman is right there in Orlando.

I just can't understand this. Even if she got this woman's name from the Sawgrass office, why would she throw it out there knowing that LE would be able to investigate this woman and find out the truth? Why wouldn't she just make up some random name??

Zenaida says she has never met Casey or Caylee; Casey says this is not the person who kidnapped Caylee, it's another ZFG.

Something is hinky about this to me.

[barskin&co.]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092408zenaidalawsuit/1/lg/Scan001_Page_1.htm

I found this link this morning that shows the whole lawsuit Zenaida has filed against Casey in PDF format. Maybe everyone knew this but me, but her name actually is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, not just Zenaida Gonzalez.

So what was all that about Casey saying LE had interviewed the wrong Zenaida and they needed to keep searching for the Z FERNANDEZ G?? I mean, what are the odds there's another person with that exact name. And this woman is right there in Orlando.

I just can't understand this. Even if she got this woman's name from the Sawgrass office, why would she throw it out there knowing that LE would be able to investigate this woman and find out the truth? Why wouldn't she just make up some random name??

Zenaida says she has never met Casey or Caylee; Casey says this is not the person who kidnapped Caylee, it's another ZFG.

Something is hinky about this to me.

She also threw in many, many names, "facts" and addresses that she should have known that LE would investigate. Juliette Lewis, Jeff Hopkins, her career as an "event planner," the old age home building...
Casey was used to lying and getting away with it.

[farrahrani]

I posted this over on the other thread but just realized we are supposed to be posting here about zanny thanks to a poster! anyway, I was looking up some information about zanaida to try to find out how casey came up with her name, not something one would just come up with out of the blue...Although I know the whole story about how Casey saw the name at Sawgrass yada yada yada, I though how did she get the other info on Zanny, so I did my own computer research on ZFG. I saw one website thanks to a link on here that showed allthe lawsuits and people suing her in the Orlando Court system and there was one that really caught my attention! AT one time ZG was suing a man named JESUS ORTIZ!!! Now that is highly strange that that is the same man that Casey claimed was the father to Caylee. Now I certainly believe that ZG was a made up thing and that Casey is lying through her teeth, I just found it odd that two people casey mentioned happened to know each other or be affiliated somehow, very strange indeed.

Also my personal belief is that this ZG is not to truthful because if she was working and fired from casey anthony's claiming her as the kidnapper than how is she collecting ssi and welfare checks??? If she is on the system (which I was too so Im not saying there is anything wrong with that) but dont lie and say that you were working and got canned (then say oh I can go back there is I want to), because that is exactly what I heard her say in that interview that is linked on here. I am certain that at least here in NJ if you are on welfare you cannot earn over a certain amount of money working or you loose your assistance. How could she have been cleaning houses and collecting child support and collecting SSI benefits and telling the truth to all of these agencies at the same time? that would have been well over the money allowed to collect assistance, so it is in my oppinion that she is lying to someone!

MOO


I haven't been on this thread since I posted on the first page. And a virus on my system is making it very difficult to navigate, so if someone has addressed this already, apologies in advance.

What kind of benefits you get from the state depend on your circumstances. Your expenses + income, etc.

As a single mom, with child support, and two developmentally disabled children, and no income, I am entitled to:

Food stamps, welfare, SSI and their child support.

Even after evaluating my expenses, if I were making a minimum wage, and working full time, I would STILL be entitled to the above, though the amounts would be different. My children are entitled to SSI because they are disabled, as well as the other benefits because even though we have no luxuries, its almost impossible for a single income family to make ends meet these days. This is what I was told by my caseworker here in Miami. I didn't apply for those benefits, I am still looking for work, but its good to know I have something to fall back on if things get any worse.

Just because someone gets lots of different types of public assistance, it may not be much, if they are all taken into account the rates will ALL be adjusted accordingly. And yes you MUST be employed, or show evidence you are trying to work if you are applying for Food Stamps, at least here in Miami.

(In some states it may be different but I got my info from my caseworker, after he approved my children's medical coverage for their speech and physical therapy, god bless him.)

[FrankieBones1]

I think this nonsense has been talked about and explained. What on earth does is have to do with whether there is a real Zenaida in Casey and Caylee's life?
The fact is the only person in the world who has claimed that a woman named Zenida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah was Caylee's "nanny's" for a year and a half, from an alleged personal direct knowledge, is Casey. She, however, has failed to present one single, solitary piece of evidence of her existence, and has in fact told LE lie, after lie. Being called upon to prove a negative is wrong. Casey is the one who must prove what she, and only she, has said.Great post, Bar!

[TealMermaid]

Did Caylee ever talk about Zanny to Cindy, George, anybody? If the child spent so much time with someone, you'd think she'd at least mention her name.:shrug:

What was Casey doing and where was Caylee really during all that time? Also, what was Casey doing for money? If she didn't have a job of any sort, how did she even pay for basics? i wonder if she worked as an escort? She slept around anyhow, she might as well have gotten paid.

[CatS48]

....[SNIP]...Regarding the evidence, I've worked in scientific research for almost 20 years and have seen information from other sources including a forensic expert forum that indicates hair has been known to form a band in several situations, not just post-mortem, including being exposed to heat or light long-term or contaminated. Tests were taken 30 days later after sitting in a car & tests can be flawed.

Additionally, Cindy said she cleaned out the car after the pizza box with maggots was in there (she didn't know at first what caused the smell because the guy who towed the car tossed the bag over the fence at his shop according to the released police documents), and I have personally seen studies and journal articles (including from the Journal of Environmental Science & Technology -- see one link below) that show chloroform can form from certain degraded or combined common chemical cleaning products so finding traces of chloroform would not be that unusual, and I would be suspicious of the claim that they found a large amount since no one else noticed a strong smell of chloroform and again this testing was 30 days later.

http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2007/feb/science/ee_chloroform.html

All these things raise questions for me.

I am so glad you posted this info on the chloroform here! I have been posting this info on another well-known msg board and no one seems to want to hear it! My research said that mixing bleach and any soap/detergent that has antibacterial ingredients to it will produce chloroform!

I mixed ammonia and bleach ONE TIME! and it produced a smell that nearly knocked me over. I RESEARCHED it on the internet - perhaps someone also researched whatever they mixed together to clean the car AND chloroform appeared in the ANSWERS. Hence LE stating someone was researching chloroform on the family computer.

[KKKKKKatie]

I am so glad you posted this info on the chloroform here! I have been posting this info on another well-known msg board and no one seems to want to hear it! My research said that mixing bleach and any soap/detergent that has antibacterial ingredients to it will produce chloroform!

I mixed ammonia and bleach ONE TIME! and it produced a smell that nearly knocked me over. I RESEARCHED it on the internet - perhaps someone also researched whatever they mixed together to clean the car AND chloroform appeared in the ANSWERS. Hence LE stating someone was researching chloroform on the family computer.

Except that it has been reported to be "significant" amounts of chloroform....not trace amounts IMO

[enigma]

I am so glad you posted this info on the chloroform here! I have been posting this info on another well-known msg board and no one seems to want to hear it! My research said that mixing bleach and any soap/detergent that has antibacterial ingredients to it will produce chloroform!

I mixed ammonia and bleach ONE TIME! and it produced a smell that nearly knocked me over. I RESEARCHED it on the internet - perhaps someone also researched whatever they mixed together to clean the car AND chloroform appeared in the ANSWERS. Hence LE stating someone was researching chloroform on the family computer.

It can produce chlorine gas which is not the same as chloroform.

In any case, this is not a case of *someone* doing a search on the possible by-products of combining bleach with detergent and getting "chloroform" in among the search results. This is a case of a child who "disappeared", a mother who kept quiet about it for a month then lied to misdirect LE, and forensic evidence obtained as a result of search warrants. This evidence was tested and analysed by forensic experts who don't rely on Google or any other internet search engine to tell them what substance they found in the trunk or what its provenance was.

The chloroform is in the context of other forensic evidence found in the trunk, and the mountain of other circumstantial evidence which has resulted in a charge of premeditated murder (amongst others) against Casey Anthony.

JMHO...

[Rayosunshine]

That is not what the link said. It did not say it produces chlorine gases ...did you read it ? it specifically said that certain antibacterial soaps create CHLOROFORM , specifically , not chlorine gases .

When you realise the chemical compostion of medals , elements , gases , then you realise alot of them mimic one another ...BECAUSE they are all compounded from alot of the same basic chemicals and such......like how many things can be compounded that put off radon gas , ot other toxic gases ...many , chloroform has the same ability ..........sooooooooooooooooo...

I would also like to believe that the hair decomposition could come from being shed from the head at another time and exposed to excessive levels of heat as well as if cleaning products that may have been used in the trunk to rid the smell of the maggots and rotten food.


I would like to have the same spirit George does , he truly believes Caylee is alive ...............I want to go with it , there could be other explanations to the circumsatantial evidence , George said he asked them for proof of some things and they have no answer , so I am gonna go with that for the time being , its better then no hope at all !

Interesting side note: a mixture of powdered chlorine + acetone = chloroform, if mixed in the right quantities.

[desmom]

Interesting side note: a mixture of powdered chlorine + acetone = chloroform, if mixed in the right quantities.

IMO, if is the operative word. Wouldn't LE (FBI, FDLE) be able to distinguish the chemical comp? :shrug:

jmo

[enigma]

That is not what the link said. It did not say it produces chlorine gases ...did you read it ? it specifically said that certain antibacterial soaps create CHLOROFORM , specifically , not chlorine gases .

When you realise the chemical compostion of medals , elements , gases , then you realise alot of them mimic one another ...BECAUSE they are all compounded from alot of the same basic chemicals and such......like how many things can be compounded that put off radon gas , ot other toxic gases ...many , chloroform has the same ability ..........sooooooooooooooooo...

Exactly. I do realise the chem. comp. of the elements 'cause I had to do chemistry (yuk!) as part of my science major, so yes, the basic elements do combine to form often unexpected results. The reason I referred to chlorine gas is because it has a very strong, pungent, unpleasant odour that makes your nose and eyes sting and just about knocks you over, whereas chloroform has a sweet, fruity odour which is persistent, but doesn't assault your senses.

If you think about it, all those movies we've seen where the perp approaches the victim from the back with a wad soaked in chloroform... the victim is always taken by surprise. This is because the odour is not invasive. Were it chlorine gas, of course, she'd smell it a mile off and run like crazy just to escape the awful smell! lol

I would also like to believe that the hair decomposition could come from being shed from the head at another time and exposed to excessive levels of heat as well as if cleaning products that may have been used in the trunk to rid the smell of the maggots and rotten food.


I would like to have the same spirit George does , he truly believes Caylee is alive ...............I want to go with it , there could be other explanations to the circumsatantial evidence , George said he asked them for proof of some things and they have no answer , so I am gonna go with that for the time being , its better then no hope at all !

The hair decomp... the band they're talking about is a distinct feature indicative of the body having been deceased for some time before the the hair was shed. Also, when using chemicals to clean something, they aren't just poured or sprayed onto the surface to be cleaned, they are "worked in" with a brush, cloth, etc. so the hair in the trunk was either not in the place where the cleaning was done, in which case it would be intact, or it was in the place where the cleaning took place, in which case it would have been exposed to mechanical action, not just to chemical fumes, in which case it would not be intact, but crimped or "shredded" in some way, which would be instantly recognisible under a microscope.

Having said all that, I realize that you'd like to hope that Caylee is alive and I'd be very surprised if all the posters on this board wouldn't be behind you 100%, but I'm afraid with all the forensics, the cadaver dogs evidence, the lies told to bamboozle and mislead the investigators, and Caylee missing for 4 months... the chances aren't at all good.

JMHO...

[enigma]

Interesting side note: a mixture of powdered chlorine + acetone = chloroform, if mixed in the right quantities.

Interesting note, but I doubt acetone would have been used to clean the car.

But you might have just meant that note as a general comment, not related to this particular case... :shrug:

JMHO...

[enigma]

IMO, if is the operative word. Wouldn't LE (FBI, FDLE) be able to distinguish the chemical comp? :shrug:

jmo

Without a doubt.

JMHO...

[bonnie31430]

What about a split personality!!!! Maybe Zaneida is really casey.

The nanny was the last to see her, so it was probably casey