TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 23rd

[callmetree]

:seeya: good morning all.

[AnnInOhio]

:seeya: good morning all.

My, you're up and at 'em early! Thanks for the new thread.
I had to leave last night, so I'm reviewing tapes of testimony I missed.

[callmetree]

My, you're up and at 'em early! Thanks for the new thread.
I had to leave last night, so I'm reviewing tapes of testimony I missed.

it's a bad habit i just can't seem to break. wish i could sleep!! just finished reading yesterdays thread. i still lurk more than post. but.... you're welcome. hope all goes well today. you have a good one.:)

[JBL]

Good Morning.

Charles Ehrlich testimony to resume today. He entered his plea to reduced charges of attempted accessory to robbery and attempted burglary.

He's admittingly pissed and shocked at what transpired in that room.

I wonder if he's still buddies with OJ - sounded like he's still buddies with Yale.

[book]

My, you're up and at 'em early! Thanks for the new thread.
I had to leave last night, so I'm reviewing tapes of testimony I missed.

Could you give me a link to these copies? I've been missing the trial lately and thanks!

[AnnInOhio]

Could you give me a link to these copies? I've been missing the trial lately and thanks!

My laptop! I download the feeds to my computer as I'm watching online so I can go back if I miss something. I set it to run when I left last night, hopefully cnn came back on the same feed for the evening (eastern time) session!

[AnnInOhio]

Especially when he mentioned Yale hired his girlfriend. Yale was speechless for some reason; everyone laughs and Charlie looks at the jury and says "what? what?"

I kinda like this guy. Too bad his background shows he's slime like the rest of them.


He started out really shaky. I thought the prosecution was going to have to pull every answer out of him. But he appears to be more forthcoming as I'm listening.

Did they get through direct with him yesterday?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

He started out really shaky. I thought the prosecution was going to have to pull every answer out of him. But he appears to be more forthcoming as I'm listening.

Did they get through direct with him yesterday?

Mornin all....I am watching Insession this morning..and the group of 4 are discussing the witnesses of yesterday..I think it was Jean who mentioned that yale is attempting to show through Charlie how important family photos are to OJ..but Pros. has objected..Apparantly Charlie E. has been close friends with OJ over 8 years and spends weekends and holidays at OJ's house etc..so can testify about all the family photo's in that house..Hummmm

Family photos in ones house...hummmI have pics all over my house..I dont think I would raid a place with a posse of 7 along with guns to retrieve my family photo's...Man oh man..does that mean I dont love my family???

BTW..Direct of Charles was completed and Yale is part way through his cross.

LMS:seeya:

[JBL]

He started out really shaky. I thought the prosecution was going to have to pull every answer out of him. But he appears to be more forthcoming as I'm listening.

Did they get through direct with him yesterday?


Yep.

Yale is still on cross.

Geez I can't remember what Yale was trying to illicit but attorney's went to the bench and then COURT ENDED.

No ruling was given on what Yale was trying to do - I could be wrong but I think the Judge just had it and called an end to the day.

OH memory returning - Yale was trying to illicit how many family photos were displayed at Simpsons house. Family's everything you know - when he's not throwing them under the bus LOL (his sister and Randa anyways!)

After court ended - the Judge was asking Grasso to email something to her or her clerk. Don't know what that was about.

I remember hearing something about a room full of stuff. Hope it wasn't OJ's family pictures in the house. That's what came to mind as I was listening. Also reminded me of Cochran staging Brentwood.

[AnnInOhio]

Yep.

Yale is still on cross.

Geez I can't remember what Yale was trying to illicit but attorney's went to the bench and then COURT ENDED.

No ruling was given on what Yale was trying to do - I could be wrong but I think the Judge just had it and called an end to the day.

OH memory returning - Yale was trying to illicit how many family photos were displayed at Simpsons house. Family's everything you know - when he's not throwing them under the bus LOL (his sister and Randa anyways!)

After court ended - the Judge was asking Grasso to email something to her or her clerk. Don't know what that was about.

Yale should know since he's OJ's bosom buddy as well as attorney! Doesn't Yale get the part that there were no family photos involved in this robbery? Can you say "red herring" with me?

[dmh]

Hi all:seeya:,
Could have OJ just have given his stuff to his daughter and sister to hold or sell? At lesst the photos. I would think those belong in the family. jmo

[JBL]

Hi all:seeya:,
Could have OJ just have given his stuff to his daughter and sister to hold or sell? At lesst the photos. I would think those belong in the family. jmo


Why would he be hiding family photo's? Pictures of you growing up? It's hogwash.

There is NO turnover order for family photos's. Smoke and mirrors for hidden memorbilia that there was a turn over order for. IMO

[JBL]

Yale should know since he's OJ's bosom buddy as well as attorney! Doesn't Yale get the part that there were no family photos involved in this robbery? Can you say "red herring" with me?

Red Herring - Smoke and mirrors
Your tomato - my tomata

heh heh

[AnnInOhio]

Hi all:seeya:,
Could have OJ just have given his stuff to his daughter and sister to hold or sell? At lesst the photos. I would think those belong in the family. jmo

My understanding is that the photos and the memorabilia are two different issues and I didn't think they were stored together because Gilbert has had the memorabilia since the day before the raid at Rockingham. My understanding was that OJ's mom had stuff in storage that got lost track of following her death. The storage bill wasn't paid and the contents went up for auction where it was bought by some rock star manager, not Mike Gilbert. Gilbert delivered some of the pilfered memorabilia items to OJ in Miami but not all of it. That "missing" memorabilia was later sold to Fromong. It doesn't make sense that Gilbert would continue to store those items under mama Simpson's name.

[dmh]

Why would he be hiding family photo's? Pictures of you growing up? It's hogwash.

There is NO turnover order for family photos's. Smoke and mirrors for hidden memorbilia that there was a turn over order for. IMO

ITA with you. But what about the other stuff? Couldn't he have given this memorbilia's as a Gift to his family? I mean he did hide it one way or another.
:shrug:

[JBL]

My understanding is that the photos and the memorabilia are two different issues and I didn't think they were stored together because Gilbert has had the memorabilia since the day before the raid at Rockingham. My understanding was that OJ's mom had stuff in storage that got lost track of following her death. The storage bill wasn't paid and the contents went up for auction where it was bought by some rock star manager, not Mike Gilbert. Gilbert delivered some of the pilfered memorabilia items to OJ in Miami but not all of it. That "missing" memorabilia was ;ater sold to Fromong. It doesn't make sense that Gilbert would continue to store those items under mama Simpson's name.

Ann,

I don't know how far you got with yesterdays Erhlich testimony but I'm sure you caught how Charlie ONLY referred to what OJ described as his MERCHANDISE and MEMORABILIA. Over $100,000.00 worth is the price OJ put on it told to Charlie and he wants it back!

That's why Yale was trying to illicit the family photos and Yale is trying to turn that train wreck around.

[JBL]

ITA with you. But what about the other stuff? Couldn't he have given this memorbilia's as a Gift to his family? I mean he did hide it one way or another.
:shrug:

Nope - you can't give away your stuff after you've been sued - you can only hide it and hope theirs honor amoung thieves. There wasn't hahahaha

[AnnInOhio]

Red Herring - Smoke and mirrors
Your tomato - my tomata

heh heh

Crap! My video recording ran out just before cross examination of Ehrlich! I knew I should have blown off skipped the volleyball game! Hopefully InSession will show the bulk of it instead of yakking amongst themselves!

[dmh]

My understanding is that the photos and the memorabilia are two different issues and I didn't think they were stored together because Gilbert has had the memorabilia since the day before the raid at Rockingham. My understanding was that OJ's mom had stuff in storage that got lost track of following her death. The storage bill wasn't paid and the contents went up for auction where it was bought by some rock star manager, not Mike Gilbert. Gilbert delivered some of the pilfered memorabilia items to OJ in Miami but not all of it. That "missing" memorabilia was later sold to Fromong. It doesn't make sense that Gilbert would continue to store those items under mama Simpson's name.

Oh.OK I din't know he gave it to his mother. TX

[JBL]

Crap! My video recording ran out just before cross examination of Ehrlich! I knew I should have blown off skipped the volleyball game! Hopefully InSession will show the bulk of it instead of yakking amongst themselves!

Yale hadn't been into it to much - basically making a point how they've known each other and there was no conflict of interest between them *cough*. They knew each other before Charlie knew OJ. Charlie and OJ have taken several trips together - liked the race track and football. Charlie watched games at OJ.s. Lived 40 minutes from OJ and still always visted.

[AnnInOhio]

Oh.OK I din't know he gave it to his mother. TX

Huh? OJ didn't "give" anything to his mom. His sister, secretary and agent (Gilbert) simply had to put it in storage under somebody's name other than "OJ Simpson" that could be trusted. OJ was telling on the tapes about how Gilbert was supposed to bring it to him in Miami but diverted/kept some of the items for himself.

[dmh]

I'm only asking this question because I really don't know. Who's name was the storage on?

[AnnInOhio]

Yale hadn't been into it to much - basically making a point how they've known each other and there was no conflict of interest between them *cough*. They knew each other before Charlie knew OJ. Charlie and OJ have taken several trips together - liked the race track and football. Charlie watched games at OJ.s. Lived 40 minutes from OJ and still always visted.

And, of course, according to OJ's infamous book Charlie went with OJ to Nicole Simpson's condo one June night years ago...

[AnnInOhio]

I wonder if the prosecution will ask Charlie if Nicole's condo was one of the places he's gone with OJ? THAT would probably give Yale a coronary, but it sounds like Yale opened the door!

[JBL]

And, of course, according to OJ's infamous book Charlie went with OJ to Nicole Simpson's condo one June night years ago...

OH DUH - that's right!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I'm only asking this question because I really don't know. Who's name was the storage on?

The storage locker was in OJ's mother's name. Dont know who paid for it tho..but ofter Momma passed..the rent was not paid..and the owners of the storage units took it over legally and auctioned off the contents of that locker..I think I got that straight.

LMS

[JBL]

I wonder if the prosecution will ask Charlie if Nicole's condo was one of the places he's gone with OJ? THAT would probably give Yale a coronary, but it sounds like Yale opened the door!

heh heh. Naw like I said, Yales going the Cochran route and going to portray OJ as the family man with family photo's all over the house. I wonder if he still has that Nude of Paula Barberi in his dresser drawer LOL

[AnnInOhio]

heh heh. Naw like I said, Yales going the Cochran route and going to portray OJ as the family man with family photo's all over the house. I wonder if he still has that Nude of Paula Barberi in his dresser drawer LOL

Yale won't ask it, but the prosecution could on re-cross. If Yale's gonna elicit testimony about how close Charlie and OJ are/were, I think it's a fair question. I'm sure Charlie didn't appreaciate OJ's choice of hypothetical name in his book. Maybe Charlie had his own motives to lie about OJ. After all, the book was just coming out when this sting went down.

[dmh]

Here's a dumb question. WHO EVER he gave his stuff to,woudn't he know where it was stored or at least wanted to know the details? But I guess he didn't because his stuff was auctioned off.:chicken:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Here's a dumb question. WHO EVER he gave his stuff to,woudn't he know where it was stored or at least wanted to know the details? But I guess he didn't because his stuff was auctioned off.:chicken:

I think we may find out the timeline of all the stuff from that storage with Gilbert's testimony..as I think he knew what stuff got sent back to OJ and the stuff that got sold to Fromong etc..LOL.Time will tell..

I gotta head out to work soon..so will catchup with ya all late this afternoon..early evening..Have a great day everyone..

LmS:seeya:

[dmh]

I think we may find out the timeline of all the stuff from that storage with Gilbert's testimony..as I think he knew what stuff got sent back to OJ and the stuff that got sold to Fromong etc..LOL.Time will tell..

I gotta head out to work soon..so will catchup with ya all late this afternoon..early evening..Have a great day everyone..

LmS:seeya:

TX guess I was getting ahead of my self:seeya:

[JBL]

Here's a dumb question. WHO EVER he gave his stuff to,woudn't he know where it was stored or at least wanted to know the details? But I guess he didn't because his stuff was auctioned off.:chicken:

It was done on the QT - no one was supposed to know. This was done under board and picked up on that recording. Cathy Randa and his sister got the heads up that OJs Brentwood house was going to be served the turn over order. They got what out anything worth money the day before.

[JBL]

I think we may find out the timeline of all the stuff from that storage with Gilbert's testimony..as I think he knew what stuff got sent back to OJ and the stuff that got sold to Fromong etc..LOL.Time will tell..

I gotta head out to work soon..so will catchup with ya all late this afternoon..early evening..Have a great day everyone..

LmS:seeya:

Gilbert's going to testify?

[AnnInOhio]

Here's a dumb question. WHO EVER he gave his stuff to,woudn't he know where it was stored or at least wanted to know the details? But I guess he didn't because his stuff was auctioned off.:chicken:

OJ know the details?? C'mon. Not OJ. That's what his underlings (and attorneys) are for. He thought he could trust Gilbert. I think Gilbert's story was he got tired of being used and uncompensated. It's like the story that one of OJ's attorneys took one of OJ's luxury vehicles as payment for legal services - with title backdated to keep it from being attached. I can see Gilbert thinking he was owed some memorabilia as barter for unpaid fees and wages.

[dmh]

I wish OJ could get charged with hiding his stuff if provened (which we know he did) from the Goldman's

[AnnInOhio]

It was done on the QT - no one was supposed to know. This was done under board and picked up on that recording. Cathy Randa and his sister got the heads up that OJs Brentwood house was going to be served the turn over order. They got what out anything worth money the day before.

OJ mentions that his sister who was at the pool party was there the day the memorabilia was removed. The sister that Riccio could only identify as the woman who shared a BLT sandwich with him.

[kmc]

HAHAHAHA Tom's Beating up Jamie. She's not getting the answers she wants.

[HI_CYCLE]

Crap! My video recording ran out just before cross examination of Ehrlich! I knew I should have blown off skipped the volleyball game! Hopefully InSession will show the bulk of it instead of yakking amongst themselves!
NO skipping your exercise!!!!!:no::no:

[AnnInOhio]

HAHAHAHA Tom's Beating up Jamie. She's not getting the answers she wants.

Or a word in edgewise.

[AnnInOhio]

Seal is up on the cnn feed

[kellabeck]

Riccio wants Jamie's prediction of the outcome and whatever it is, he said, he going to "bet the opposite!"

:lol:

[dmh]

there I go again.. lol.. thinking ahead of my self..sorry for any spelling

[callmetree]

can anyone explain to me why this person on trial would sign this ricco characters book? have they all lost any sense of reality? :confused: this is joke . MOO

[warrkat]

Live on KTLA

[AnnInOhio]

there I go again.. lol.. thinking ahead of my self..sorry for any spelling

I've had to hit the "edit" button a time or two myself!

[AnnInOhio]

Sounds like Yale is doing the testifying and trying to get Charlie to agree. The same thing he accused the prosecution of.

[bearwds]

How about Jamie telling Riccio that passages of his book "Busted", that it was "almost Shakesperian in parts" ??

I've never used this icon before ----->>>barf

There, I feel better.

G'morning all.


bearwds

[psbperu]

It can't be just me...but...Charlie Tuna seems kinda "dense".

I feel like this group of OJ's friends would have been right at home filming a scene in "Wiseguys".

[AnnInOhio]

It can't be just me...but...Charlie Tuna seems kinda "dense".

I feel like this group of OJ's friends would have been right at home filming a scene in "Wiseguys".

Smarter people would've told OJ to stick his sting where the sun doesn't shine!

[AnnInOhio]

Too bad Charlie can't ask Yale how many dumb things HE'S ever done for OJ that he later came to regret!

[bearwds]

No wonder the pool tapes were so hard to understand. With these clowns jabbering over each other, it was like the gang who couldn't shoot straight.

---->>getting asprin


bearwds

[AnnInOhio]

What is Yale doing? To me he's making the case that what OJ asked this guy to do wasn't what he (OJ) ended up doing. That may repair intent on behalf of the cohorts, but OJ obviously changed his intent between asking Charlie to play a buyer and what actually happened. Charlie didn't change HIS intent.

[AnnInOhio]

Wouldn't this be like murder, where intent can be formed moments before an event takes place? I think OJ sold some of the guys on one plan and formed another with others.

[AnnInOhio]

No wonder the pool tapes were so hard to understand. With these clowns jabbering over each other, it was like the gang who couldn't shoot straight.

---->>getting asprin


bearwds

No kidding. No wonder he can't recall exactly what was said. They all listen only to the gist of each other. They're probably so used to BSing each other for years that they only marginally listen or talk to each other anymore.

[psbperu]

lolol...now Charlie Tuna is talking too soft.

Meanwhile it sounds like Yale is doing the testifying at times.

I want to know who the "real" Charlie Tuna is?

Is he this supposedly "dense" guy on the stand or is he "smart as a fox' pretending to be without a clue.

[AnnInOhio]

My jury questions to Ehrlich would be "Did OJ tell you he'd talked to his attorney about this matter beforehand and did OJ then assure you it was not illegal?"

[Freygea]

I have to say I feel sorry for Erlich right now.:rolleyes:

[psbperu]

she's going to put these two in the corner if they dont behave:D

And I know who will be wearing the dunce hat.

[llylabrat]

she's going to put these two in the corner if they dont behave:D

yale does not respect this judge, or he does not show respect by letting her finish her rulings etc. he constantly butts in when she is speaking and does not follow her instructions as to speaking objections etc. i think she brought this on herself by tolerating his behavior.

[AnnInOhio]

C'mon. Yale is involved in this up to his eyeballs. No way he didn't know about it before it happened, putting him in on the planning.

[llylabrat]

C'mon. Yale is involved in this up to his eyeballs. No way he didn't know about it before it happened, putting him in on the planning.

I agree. His very conversational tone with the prosecution witnesses shows how buddy-buddy they are. Wonder if this looks like corruption to the jury?

[warrkat]

I had to take some phone calls.
Are we in a break, or is there a problem with my feed?

TIA

eta: it's back.

[AnnInOhio]

yale does not respect this judge, or he does not show respect by letting her finish her rulings etc. he constantly butts in when she is speaking and does not follow her instructions as to speaking objections etc. i think she brought this on herself by tolerating his behavior.


Yale is skating on this ice with this judge because it's so obvious he was involved with this escapade. This isn't just any witness being cross examined, it's one of Yale's cronies.

[AnnInOhio]

I had to take some phone calls.
Are we in a break, or is there a problem with my feed?

TIA


The judge is counting to 10 off the bench.

[llylabrat]

Yale is skating on this ice with this judge because it's so obvious he was involved with this escapade. This isn't just any witness being cross examined, it's one of Yale's cronies.


Well, maybe there is some mutual disrespect going on. She certainly isn't having an effect on him behavior-wise.

[bearwds]

C'mon. Yale is involved in this up to his eyeballs. No way he didn't know about it before it happened, putting him in on the planning.
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...AND, perhaps helping along the way with all of those niceties of off-shore accounts and funneling money ??

The State bar really should do a little investigating.


bearwds

[llylabrat]

The judge is counting to 10 off the bench.

If she's counting to ten, why are yale and erlich smiling? I don't have sound on this computer...wish it had closed captioning!

[AnnInOhio]

Well of course OJ had a couple of drinks at the bar even though nobody else did. Lush. Impaired judgement. Didn't mean to rob anybody, he just lost control of his temper. He does that a lot it seems.

[AnnInOhio]

Fro monck? Guess who among the cast of characters isn't one of Yale's buddies. At LAST an objection by the prosecution about calling the stuff "stolen" instead of "allegedly stolen" stuff.

[AnnInOhio]

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...AND, perhaps helping along the way with all of those niceties of off-shore accounts and funneling money ??

The State bar really should do a little investigating.


bearwds

Ya think? Only attorney/client confidentiality has saved him so far.

[bearwds]

G'd Morning, I am late to the Faire this morning -- I see this is more buffoonery than usual, if that is possible!

bearwawds, am So! glad I missed that : barf : moment of Jami Floyd/Riccio (I've used that icon very sparingly, also, but most definitely justified here)! I came in when Judge Glass was saying "And it's only Tuesday morning." The time out. Yale and Charlie need a good spanking if the counting to ten doesn't work!

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Mornin' fiere..!!

This is a real cast of characters for sure. Fringe players on the edge of gangsters (..my opinion).

Jamie was really funny this morning when the first question she asked Riccio was if he was being paid for her interview. He said, "Yes,
$210-thousand dollars" She looked like she just swallowed her microphone. Then she had to tell us all how she was always on the side of the law...while Riccio was chuckling.

BTW fiere...it's "bearwds", not "bearwawds" That sounds like Barbara Walters ....har..!!


bearwds

[psbperu]

What a group..they have me shaking my head. I guess it is because most of us don't have friends like this or hang with people like this.

Yale Galanter hangs out with these people? Perhaps it is about thinking you are smartest guy in the group...or this is a group I can make money off by defending them individually when they need it?

Exactly what is the attraction? Have to assume it is the money.

[dmh]

i wish charlie would say something to him like "you were there, you know what happened" to any question yale asked him, lol


I didn't know that. Where was yale?

[AnnInOhio]

I didn't know that. Where was yale?

Back at the Palms hotel at some point around the time of the incident.

[bearwds]

bearwds, my apologies -- it was too late for me to edit and I have long admired your posts, make a lot of sense to me! I have read further background of Riccio's $$$ at http://www.jurorthirteen.com also <---unbelievable!!!
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Bless you dear. Will check out your Link later as I'm sure it would be interesting.


bearwds

[psbperu]

Can't imagine being a juror on this trial & taking notes...

Too much smoke.

[bearwds]

Back at the Palms hotel at some point around the time of the incident.
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In my mind, Yale is back at the hotel waiting for the gang to return. He then was told about the gun. Bogus phone calls to Riccio then ensued. Done at the suggestion of Yale to get on the record that OJ didn't know about a gun (which he did).


bearwds

[kennedy06]

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Mornin' fiere..!!

This is a real cast of characters for sure. Fringe players on the edge of gangsters (..my opinion).

Jamie was really funny this morning when the first question she asked Riccio was if he was being paid for her interview. He said, "Yes,
$210-thousand dollars" She looked like she just swallowed her microphone. Then she had to tell us all how she was always on the side of the law...while Riccio was chuckling.

BTW fiere...it's "bearwds", not "bearwawds" That sounds like Barbara Walters ....har..!!


bearwds

I agree bear, that is what this cast of characters it is like! I can't watch 2 minutes of this trial coverage without being amazed at something. JMO

[dmh]

They need a traffic cop between these two giving directions. I am getting a headache.

[bearwds]

Is this guy a bag or rocks or what ???


Let me re-phrase that... BOTH Ehrlich and Galienter...ha


bearwds

[legalmania]

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...AND, perhaps helping along the way with all of those niceties of off-shore accounts and funneling money ??

The State bar really should do a little investigating.


bearwds

The Florida bar could care less, if you don't have documents to prove your story it's hearsay. Off-shore accounts are not unlawful unless you don't claim it. IRS is the one who would do the investigating.

[Freygea]

I keep hearing Erlich in my head saying "Ok George".

:cuss:

[Haz]

Yale was NOT the lawyer who advised OJ not to do this !! He was NOT in LV at the time of this incident. It has been explained many times and even stated in court that the lawyer talked about was NOT HIM......

hammer

[bearwds]

Anyone notice Ehrlich cleaning his eyeglasses with his tie ??

Wonder if he had soup on it..?


bearwds

[AnnInOhio]

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In my mind, Yale is back at the hotel waiting for the gang to return. He then was told about the gun. Bogus phone calls to Riccio then ensued. Done at the suggestion of Yale to get on the record that OJ didn't know about a gun (which he did).


bearwds

Exactly. If Yale wasn't at the hotel yet OJ at least called him right away. I'd love to see OJ's phone records for that day and the next. He'll never take the stand or Yale will go down in flames.

[bearwds]

The Florida bar could care less, if you don't have documents to prove your story it's hearsay. Off-shore accounts are not unlawful unless you don't claim it. IRS is the one who would do the investigating.
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Morning legalmania.....

I watch Judge Judy and love her. Sometimes she says that a tape of her show will will be turned over to CPS or another agency.

If information, or shoud I say more information comes in about off-shore accounts, a tape wouldn't be available to the IRS or the State bar ??


pondering...
bearwds

[legalmania]

Ya think? Only attorney/client confidentiality has saved him so far.

What's saved him so far is he has done nothing wrong. He defended OJ in the road rage trial and won.

[Freygea]

Are we at break for the morning?

[Haz]

Haz, then why is "Yale" referred to numerous times in the taped transcripts (played and available) while -- the deal was going down? How many "Yales" do you know?

Got a link?? Yale was not involved at all in this incident. I know the hate for OJ spills over to his lawyers too but that does not make it right to smear a lawyer because you don't like his client.

[legalmania]

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Morning legalmania.....

I watch Judge Judy and love her. Sometimes she says that a tape of her show will will be turned over to CPS or another agency.

If information, or shoud I say more information comes in about off-shore accounts, a tape wouldn't be available to the IRS or the State bar ??


pondering...
bearwds

First of all Judge Judy is for entertainment, I don't know the severity of the case she was talking about. Riccio testified that all the money was given back. Like I said no crime unless his tax returns don't show income.

[Kara]

Wouldn't this be like murder, where intent can be formed moments before an event takes place? I think OJ sold some of the guys on one plan and formed another with others.Jean c. addressed this topic earlier today. Under Nevada law there is specific intent and general intent...and I can't really explain those but intent can change during the course of a crime. (and in her opinion it did change to specific intent when they took things). Technically it does not matter if OJ was the legal owner of every darn item in that room. It is still illegal and armed robbery to go into the room and take the items by force.

BTW...hi everybody...I've been here watching and lurking, just don't have much time to post so I don't jump in very often. :)

[Kara]

Yale was NOT the lawyer who advised OJ not to do this !! He was NOT in LV at the time of this incident. It has been explained many times and even stated in court that the lawyer talked about was NOT HIM......

hammer

I think you're partially right Haz, the atty who was giving OJ advice on the subject of doing this sting was not Yale..but Yale was in Vegas at the time.

BTW...are you going to join us in watching DWTS this year?

[legalmania]

Exactly. If Yale wasn't at the hotel yet OJ at least called him right away. I'd love to see OJ's phone records for that day and the next. He'll never take the stand or Yale will go down in flames.

There was an attorney in Vegas but it wasn't Yale. I can't remember his name but he advised against doing this.

[legalmania]

See: Here are links to transcripts @ http://www.jurorthirteen.com/Park/OJSimpsonTrial/tabid/754/Default.aspx.


Thanks flere I read as much as I could but I'm in the middle of unpacking and so I don't have time right now to read it all hopefully I'll get through before the verdict.

[Haz]

See: Here are links to transcripts @ http://www.jurorthirteen.com/Park/OJSimpsonTrial/tabid/754/Default.aspx.

Those transcripts are in dispute as to their accuracy. That is why the Judge won't let them go to the jury. I want to know which Tape I can hear Yale's name on in connection to this incident. I also would like some verification that he was in LV at the time or that OJ talked to him about it. Until then I will not believe he was involved in any way.

[JBL]

Yale was not at the hotel (at least that's his story and he's sticking to it), it was a different one who's name escapes me - however he is mentioned by name by Al Beardsley several times on the secret Riccio recordings.

Maybe that's the mix up.

I have no doubt OJ contacted him soon after this all went down.

It's my understanding that Yale knew something about this and he like the rest told them not to do it.

[legalmania]

Are we at break for the morning?

What is taking so long is this another break? I thought it was a sidebar.

[Grayson]

Hey all. I have to say this, why didn't OJ just call the police, and report to the authorites, that someone had stolen some of his property?

[Grayson]

Lol, I think they may have been the pacifice time zone, lunch break confusion. Don't worry I get it too.:rolleyes:

[legalmania]

Hey all. I have to say this, why didn't OJ just call the police, and report to the authorites, that someone had stolen some of his property?

Because he didn't want the Goldmans to get it. He thought it was worthless to most people but priceless to him and his family.

[rulovlaw]

There was an attorney in Vegas but it wasn't Yale. I can't remember his name but he advised against doing this.

I think The Atty's name was "Singleton" But Im not positive.
I surprised that They didnt go into the fact that Riccio didnt divulge to OJ that the "Stuff" Oj was basically interested in getting back was not even in the room. Maybe it will come out during the defense's case.
Since the original plan was for "Charlie" to go to the room and look over the items, then go back and tell OJ what it was, Its obvious that there was no plan to storm the room and just take things.

I think Riccio knew that OJ would not proceed if he knew the family photo's were not present and scrap the plan, THIS is why Riccio went to the Lobby and siad just come with me lets not do the buyer plan, He Told OJ it was his stuff and lets just go get it.. Thats the only explanation for the change of plans.
Riccio needed this event to go down because he had a tape to sell.

All the recordings prove there was no intent to commit Robbery, or any crime..
It all got out of hand and spiraled into something else... I blame Riccio He directed the entire fiasco. Oj is guilty of being Stupid

[bearwds]

Hey all. I have to say this, why didn't OJ just call the police, and report to the authorites, that someone had stolen some of his property?
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He wouldn't be sitting here today then, would he..??

Breaking the law is not new to Mr. Simpson. There was a California judgement to seize any assets on behalf of Mr. Goldman.

Assets were hidden by cronies and OJ pretended no knowledge.

The armed robbery, a felony, was committed by OJ and cohorts.

We sit here today.

OJ will sit in jail soon.


bearwds

[Kara]

Is this "short" break going to end before it's time for lunch recess???

[JBL]

It was reported to police and FBI, they weren't interested. According to Riccio. He said FBI made a report.

It was NEVER REPORTED. Riccio brought it up to them. He was advised it was a civil matter and it was up to OJ to REPORT IT and contact an ATTORNEY.

OJ NEVER CONTACTED ANYONE. Well anyone above board anyways. Many were contacted about it. The ones that originally hid it and the ones who were trying to steal it back LOL

[CamV]

According to the live coverage in LV, the screen says the attorneys are at a sidebar with the judge. Longest sidebar I've ever seen...even took a shower and washed my hair!:lol:
It wasn't Riccio who told the thugs to bring guns.

[legalmania]

I think The Atty's name was "Singleton" But Im not positive.
I surprised that They didnt go into the fact that Riccio didnt divulge to OJ that the "Stuff" Oj was basically interested in getting back was not even in the room. Maybe it will come out during the defense's case.
Since the original plan was for "Charlie" to go to the room and look over the items, then go back and tell OJ what it was, Its obvious that there was no plan to storm the room and just take things.

I think Riccio knew that OJ would not proceed if he knew the family photo's were not present and scrap the plan, THIS is why Riccio went to the Lobby and siad just come with me lets not do the buyer plan, He Told OJ it was his stuff and lets just go get it.. Thats the only explanation for the change of plans.
Riccio needed this event to go down because he had a tape to sell.

All the recordings prove there was no intent to commit Robbery, or any crime..
It all got out of hand and spiraled into something else... I blame Riccio He directed the entire fiasco. Oj is guilty of being Stupid

Can you believe that Riccio had the nerve to ask OJ if he would sign his books? Then OJ did it, after all this guy put him through. Riccio wanted this to happen, he had money in the back of his mind from day one.

[rulovlaw]

Hey all. I have to say this, why didn't OJ just call the police, and report to the authorites, that someone had stolen some of his property?

I believe they intended to do that if they resisted.
First though they needed to make sure they brought the items, then identify it as what was stolen from OJ.
That was the original plan.. However they didnt believe they would resist because they knew the stuff was stolen.
The police were not interested in helping him, So they needed to get the belongings in one place. Obviously if the had brought thousands of personal photographs of OJ growing up, with his Mom and Dad, and kids.. It would be pretty clear who the photo's belonged to.
The problem is they didnt bring what was agreed to, But OJ was never informed those items were not there.
And when the plan was changed, OJ went up expecting to see the personal photo's.. And the MEM dealers didnt deny the items were stolen And OJ agreed to make sure that anythin that wasnt his would be returned..
Again... I blame Riccio for the disaster that occurred that day.

[bearwds]

Can you believe that Riccio had the nerve to ask OJ if he would sign his books? Then OJ did it, after all this guy put him through. Riccio wanted this to happen, he had money in the back of his mind from day one.
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What was the signature note..?? "Please don't squeeze the Juice"...
...something like that.

Soon to enter eBay on power seller.

...wanna bet ??


bearwds

[legalmania]

Smells like a mistrial to me due to Galanters question of "When were you arrested?

Just my opinion,
Mortie

I think he meant for this case.

[CamV]

Riccio didn't know Fromong before meeting him at the Palace Station. Riccio didn't tell the thugs to bring guns.

[legalmania]

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What was the signature note..?? "Please don't squeeze the Juice"...
...something like that.

Soon to enter eBay on power seller.

...wanna bet ??


bearwds

I hope nobody buys it. I wouldn't help this guy make another dime.

[JBL]

Yale was NOT the lawyer who advised OJ not to do this !! He was NOT in LV at the time of this incident. It has been explained many times and even stated in court that the lawyer talked about was NOT HIM......

hammer

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There were TWO LAWYERS advising not to do it.

IIRC Riccio spoke with Yale as Riccio told Yale what the FBI told him!!

[rulovlaw]

Can you believe that Riccio had the nerve to ask OJ if he would sign his books? Then OJ did it, after all this guy put him through. Riccio wanted this to happen, he had money in the back of his mind from day one.

Whatever else people may think about OJ,
OJ (As has been tesified to) is very affiable, And is basically just a nice guy. What a shame that he is used by the leaches that attach themself to him. Riccio is obviously the type to sell his own mother if it will turn a profit.

[AnnInOhio]

Those transcripts are in dispute as to their accuracy. That is why the Judge won't let them go to the jury. I want to know which Tape I can hear Yale's name on in connection to this incident. I also would like some verification that he was in LV at the time or that OJ talked to him about it. Until then I will not believe he was involved in any way.

Listen to the tape that corresponds with the File 6 pdf, page 62 lines 22-25 and page 63, lines 01-03.

[legalmania]

I understand what Galanter meant but the witness answered the question with "1987" so now the jury knows he was previously arrested. The question of prior acts is not allowed and Mr Galanter mispoke, I agree, but you cannot un-ring a bell.

Just my opinion,
Mortie

It seems everybody understood except Ehrlich.

[Grayson]

You know I am actually uncomfortable posting this on this InSession board. What exactly did Riccio do? I can't get thease fragments of events from Court TV together.

[legalmania]

Whatever else people may think about OJ,
OJ (As has been tesified to) is very affiable, And is basically just a nice guy. What a shame that he is used by the leaches that attach themself to him. Riccio is obviously the type to sell his own mother if it will turn a profit.

I'm glad you said that, I was thinking the same thing.

[AnnInOhio]

You didn't hear Riccio's testimony, apparently. Riccio did report it to the police and to the FBI, who made a report.


Wasn't Riccio also speaking to the police and FBI at the time about how he came into possession of Anna Nicole's diary? I don't think Riccio was talking to them as some lily white citizen off the street asking a "what if" question. I recall hearing at the time he was bargaining with them because he was under pressure about the diaries. I could be mistaken on that, but I seem to remember something along those lines. Books, diaries...what an interesting time it was!

[Details]

Those transcripts are in dispute as to their accuracy. That is why the Judge won't let them go to the jury. I want to know which Tape I can hear Yale's name on in connection to this incident. I also would like some verification that he was in LV at the time or that OJ talked to him about it. Until then I will not believe he was involved in any way.It's not hate nor a smear - it's what OJ and Riccio say on the tapes. Yale is mentioned. We've heard the tapes. If you haven't listened to them - your choice - but don't slander those of us who heard them as "haters" or whatever juvenile term you prefer, because we've heard the evidence.

As I recall, Yale was invited to the same wedding, was in LV - and I don't recall that as being in doubt. Nor is it a "smear" for Yale to suggest that he was the attorney referenced - if he was, he did what an attorney is supposed to - listened to his client's wishes, gave the correct advice - don't do it. He's OJ's attorney - it's to be expected he'd ask Yale for advice, and Yale would give it.

[JBL]

You didn't hear Riccio's testimony, apparently. Riccio did report it to the police and to the FBI, who made a report.

I heard it. He's a third party who BROUGHT IT UP and never filed A REPORT ON BEHALF OF OJ SIMPSON.

Brought it up - brought it up - brought it up.

There is no report other the the report that Riccio BROUGHT IT UP. FBI advised to get a lawyer and FILE A CIVIL SUIT,

[legalmania]

You know I am actually uncomfortable posting this on this InSession board. What exactly did Riccio do? I can't get thease fragments of events from Court TV together.

Do you mean what he did that was illegal?

[JBL]

Wasn't Riccio also speaking to the police and FBI at the time about how he came into possession of Anna Nicole's diary? I don't think Riccio was talking to them as some lily white citizen off the street asking a "what if" question. I recall hearing at the time he was bargaining with them because he was under pressure about the diaries. I could be mistaken on that, but I seem to remember something along those lines. Books, diaries...what an interesting time it was!

:patriot: Yep there it is.

[Details]

You know I am actually uncomfortable posting this on this InSession board. What exactly did Riccio do? I can't get thease fragments of events from Court TV together.You mean his role in this event?

He heard from the victims that they had OJ stuff. He contacted OJ (recording all the way), planned a sting operation to meet the victims under the pretense of being a buyer. Then he lead them up to the room, and played one more victim as the robbery went down, then he told the story to police (omitting the recordings) and sold the recordings and interviews to TMZ and everyone else possible.

At question is what the operation he planned was, how much a part of the point where it turned from a sting, into an armed robbery, he was. But his story is that it was just a sting- OJ could confront them, they'd give the stuff back, because - hey, it's OJ! And they wouldn't dare call police because the stuff was stolen (which suggests he wasn't really thinking they were giving it back entirely voluntarily).

[bearwds]

Whatever else people may think about OJ,
OJ (As has been tesified to) is very affiable, And is basically just a nice guy. What a shame that he is used by the leaches that attach themself to him. Riccio is obviously the type to sell his own mother if it will turn a profit.
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My mouth dropped open when I read your Post ruovlaw.

Affialble...!!!

Did you ever see the pictures of Nicole when he beat the ship out of her...?? How about the break-in tapes when he was tryng to assault her ?? The two killings. The tapes from THIS robbery.

A "nice guy" he is not.

A 4th rate actor that is famous for being infamous.

He Was a good football player many years ago. That's it.


bearwds

[AnnInOhio]

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My mouth dropped open when I read your Post ruovlaw.

Affialble...!!!

Did you ever see the pictures of Nicole when he beat the ship out of her...?? How about the break-in tapes when he was tryng to assault her ?? The two killings. The tapes from THIS robbery.

A "nice guy" he is not.

A 4th rate actor that is famous for being infamous.

He Was a good football player many years ago. That's it.


bearwds

Affiable as in the guy who, after all this, was laughing with the cop questioning Riccio on Riccio's cell phone about what a big misunderstanding this was. Didn't he tell Riccio he knew how to handle the cops? OJ, Mr. Affiable, is used to getting a "by" with the cops when he breaks the law.

[Grayson]

Yes, yes.:shrug:

[legalmania]

You mean his role in this event?

He heard from the victims that they had OJ stuff. He contacted OJ (recording all the way), planned a sting operation to meet the victims under the pretense of being a buyer. Then he lead them up to the room, and played one more victim as the robbery went down, then he told the story to police (omitting the recordings) and sold the recordings and interviews to TMZ and everyone else possible.

At question is what the operation he planned was, how much a part of the point where it turned from a sting, into an armed robbery, he was. But his story is that it was just a sting- OJ could confront them, they'd give the stuff back, because - hey, it's OJ! And they wouldn't dare call police because the stuff was stolen (which suggests he wasn't really thinking they were giving it back entirely voluntarily).

Just one thing Details he wasn't suppose to be the buyer Ehrlich was.

[Grayson]

I read that one reply thanks. That was a great description that explains it exactly right.:)

[Grayson]

I completely agree.

[AnnInOhio]

Just one thing Details he wasn't suppose to be the buyer Ehrlich was.

Just one thing Legalmania. OJ's infamous temper apparently wouldn't allow him to wait and let it play out as the sting Riccio and Charlie planned. Guns or no, OJ was the one giving the orders in that room that nobody was allowed to leave. The only way to keep Fromong and Beardsley in that room had they wanted to leave was by force.

[Carol25]

Hey all. I have to say this, why didn't OJ just call the police, and report to the authorites, that someone had stolen some of his property?
Perhaps because it really belonged to the Goldmans?

[Details]

Just one thing Details he wasn't suppose to be the buyer Ehrlich was.Yes - I kinda skipped over that.

[cloe23]

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My mouth dropped open when I read your Post ruovlaw.

Affialble...!!!

Did you ever see the pictures of Nicole when he beat the ship out of her...?? How about the break-in tapes when he was tryng to assault her ?? The two killings. The tapes from THIS robbery.

A "nice guy" he is not.

A 4th rate actor that is famous for being infamous.

He Was a good football player many years ago. That's it.


bearwds

Thank you for your post. I feel the only reason that OJ signed that book of Ricco's is because he is a coward. OJ didn't have the guts to say no. JMO
Thanks again for your post, I was going nuts, sitting on my hands is not easy!:cuss: I guess we are all entitled to our own opinions but........ affable?
IMO MOO JMO .........cloe

[llylabrat]

while galanter is making these 12 painful points about what erlich was originally charged with, doesn't it make sense that the jury is going to associate these 12 charges with OJ?

[Details]

It's a fair sized bill of players - Riccio, Beardsly, Fromong, Erhrich, OJ, - hard to keep them all straight. I talk to my hubby about this case and he keeps getting mixed up - thinking one of the victims was also the person who set up the meeting or some such.

[llylabrat]

I don't believe this stuff. IMO, Galanter is attempting to discount Erhlich's remembrance, but Ehrlich doesn't seem upset!!

This is a win=win situation.

Erhrlich doesn't get convicted --- neither does OJ.:eek:

I don't think erlich sees this as a win for him! I think he thinks Yale is going to trick him to get OJ off.

[Details]

while galanter is making these 12 painful points about what erlich was originally charged with, doesn't it make sense that the jury is going to associate these 12 charges with OJ?Yep - and he's explicitly said so - or Ehrich did. I wonder if the jury sees it like I do - yeah, he was charged with a bunch of stuff, but that wouldn't have made trial, since he didn't do all of that stuff. Some - but not all. No evidence he was the mastermind nor the person calling the shots.

[warrkat]

Thank goodness they're breaking...... I have some work to do (really, really fast!)

[llylabrat]

galanter is gonna be responsible for boring hundreds of people to death including the judge :biggrin:

[legalmania]

Just one thing Legalmania. OJ's infamous temper apparently wouldn't allow him to wait and let it play out as the sting Riccio and Charlie planned. Guns or no, OJ was the one giving the orders in that room that nobody was allowed to leave. The only way to keep Fromong and Beardsley in that room had they wanted to leave was by force.

I wasn't talking about OJ I was talking to Details, it was a little error no big deal but somebody asked what Riccio did and I put my 2 cents in.

[bearwds]

It's a fair sized bill of players - Riccio, Beardsly, Fromong, Erhrich, OJ, - hard to keep them all straight. I talk to my hubby about this case and he keeps getting mixed up - thinking one of the victims was also the person who set up the meeting or some such.
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You talk to hubby about case(s)...?? Cool.

I have known a number of ladies and their eyes just glaze over when something is brought up.

I DID hava a wife in '94 that was very interested. We even acted out the killing one night, just to see a perspective.

Nice your "dude is interested.


bearwds

[Details]

I don't believe this stuff. IMO, Galanter is attempting to discount Erhlich's remembrance, but Ehrlich doesn't seem upset!!I don't see why he'd be upset - his job is to tell the truth about what he remembers. If something is misremembered - like what order two events occurred in - that is just a fact. It's normal for humans to mix memories up a little, and more as you age, any witness who is too perfect may be lying. But mixing up a few things doesn't mean he's wrong about all of it, especially the broad strokes of what happened.

Yikes - Beardsly next, they say. Victim #2, probably with more knowledge of where merch came from, and a bit of a dirty character.

[AnnInOhio]

:patriot: Yep there it is.

Nope. I have to correct myself. In 2007, Riccio was involved in legal action regarding an injunction against releasing the Anna Nicole breast augmentation surgery video, not the diary.

[JBL]

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You talk to hubby about case(s)...?? Cool.

I have known a number of ladies and their eyes just glaze over when something is brought up.

I DID hava a wife in '94 that was very interested. We even acted out the killing one night, just to see a perspective.

Nice your "dude is interested.


bearwds

One can infer you got carried away with the role play! j/k

I remember reading your post long ago about that.

[llylabrat]

i think yale is making the point that if this guy is gonna get off so easy, maybe oj should too. jmo

good point!

[minou]

I don't believe this stuff. IMO, Galanter is attempting to discount Erhlich's remembrance, but Ehrlich doesn't seem upset!!

This is a win=win situation.

Erhrlich doesn't get convicted --- neither does OJ.:eek:


I will bet you 1000 dollars of stolen money (ROFL) OJ will be convicted on most charges.:biggrin:

[Lqqkout]

Just got in, what time does court resume?

[Details]

I talked to hubby a little - but he didn't have the patience or want to spend the time understanding the whole case - as I said, he thought Fromong or Beardsly were the ones who set this up - and he doesn't really understand how long the tapes are, how much tape there is of this.

[AnnInOhio]

i think yale is making the point that if this guy is gonna get off so easy, maybe oj should too. jmo

Um, OJ was the only person who stood to gain anything, not this guy. But for OJ, this guy wouldn't have been charged with anything. He'd have simply gone to a friend's wedding and gone back home.

[Spyder88]

Whatever else people may think about OJ,
OJ (As has been tesified to) is very affiable, And is basically just a nice guy. What a shame that he is used by the leaches that attach themself to him. Riccio is obviously the type to sell his own mother if it will turn a profit.


Affable???? :confused: He's about as affable as a pit viper and as trustworthy as one.

As sad as it is, this saying bears a ton of truth: You're known by the company you keep.

His choice of "friends" has always been very telling. His bullying, evil, criminal penchants OBVIOUSLY haven't diminished with age.

One can only hope that this time he will finally be brought to justice, but I'm not going to bet on anything. I thought justice would prevail before and was sorely disappointed in the system.

If anyone has ever owned a teflon suit, it's OJ Simpson. Nothing has ever stuck to that freakazoid so far.

[AnnInOhio]

Just got in, what time does court resume?

1:30 Las Vegas time, 4:30 Eastern

[AnnInOhio]

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You talk to hubby about case(s)...?? Cool.

I have known a number of ladies and their eyes just glaze over when something is brought up.

I DID hava a wife in '94 that was very interested. We even acted out the killing one night, just to see a perspective.

Nice your "dude is interested.


bearwds

With the past tense "did" I'd be a little afraid to ask what happened to her.

[Details]

Court resumes at 1:30. We just had Yale questioning and bringing out details of the reduced charges for Ehnlich in his plea deal.

[legalmania]

I don't think erlich sees this as a win for him! I think he thinks Yale is going to trick him to get OJ off.

That's his job to get OJ off. I don't think it's a trick as much as to show the jury that if he had the same charges as OJ did, then why is OJ on trial and everybody else except Stewart has been offered and taken a plea? Could it be because, California couldn't get him we will?

[Details]

A...I thought justice would prevail before and was sorely disappointed in the system.

If anyone has ever owned a teflon suit, it's OJ Simpson. Nothing has ever stuck to that freakazoid so far.It's not OJ. It's money and expensive lawyers. But he doesn't win the teflon suit award - there was a case of an eccentric millionaire - he kills his neighbor (living in an apartment - eccentric, remember), chops him up and puts him down the drain, then runs away. When finally caught, his lawyers called it self defense. He got off clean - the jury found him not guilty! His case beats OJ's by a mile, in my book.

But there are plenty of good counterexamples, where a high priced defense completely fails - Scott Peterson, another millionaire/billionaire, etc. Juries sometimes fail - but most of the time they work.

[Details]

That's his job to get OJ off. I don't think it's a trick as much as to show the jury that if he had the same charges as OJ did, then why is OJ on trial and everybody else except Stewart has been offered and taken a plea? Could it be because, California couldn't get him we will?Seems like that could boomerang. If he had the same charges as OJ, that shows OJ being treated just like everyone else. Nothing special. Just the normal DA charging everything possible at the start - which is a very normal thing.

Was OJ not offered a plea? That would be right by me - the mastermind, the leader, should not be able to plead out and get a lesser sentence than one of the fools he lead into this situation - and all too often I see that - the druglord turns evidence and gets off cheap, the drugmule has nothing to turn, and is sentenced to the max.


And - is my recollection faulty? I recall hearing the person saying the "California couldn't get him, we will" was a civilian, not LE? Not that it matters much - crime scene processing is indeed all about getting the bad guy - getting all of the evidence so they cannot slip out on a technicality. Nothing they were doing could add or create new charges in this case - the witnesses and the tapes tell the whole story.

[Lqqkout]

Affable???? :confused: He's about as affable as a pit viper and as trustworthy as one.

As sad as it is, this saying bears a ton of truth: You're known by the company you keep.

His choice of "friends" has always been very telling. His bullying, evil, criminal penchants OBVIOUSLY haven't diminished with age.

One can only hope that this time he will finally be brought to justice, but I'm not going to bet on anything. I thought justice would prevail before and was sorely disappointed in the system.

If anyone has ever owned a teflon suit, it's OJ Simpson. Nothing has ever stuck to that freakazoid so far.

So you are trying and finding OJ guilty solely due to past deeds as your quote "finally brought to justice" and many of your others suggest. I watch every trial with absolutely no bias and weigh whether the prosecution can meet their burden. That is ALL that matters to me, the legal wrangling, not whether I like them , how they dress, how overweight they are or how they wear their hair, but I am a minority on this board and you are with the majority. When you say you thought justice would prevail, that is exactly what happened, like it or not. The prosecution did not meet their burden of proof. When any LE incidents are found to be without honor, the case is lost. As it should be.

[JBL]

Seems like that could boomerang. If he had the same charges as OJ, that shows OJ being treated just like everyone else. Nothing special. Just the normal DA charging everything possible at the start - which is a very normal thing.

Was OJ not offered a plea? That would be right by me - the mastermind, the leader, should not be able to plead out and get a lesser sentence than one of the fools he lead into this situation - and all too often I see that - the druglord turns evidence and gets off cheap, the drugmule has nothing to turn, and is sentenced to the max.


And - is my recollection faulty? I recall hearing the person saying the "California couldn't get him, we will" was a civilian, not LE? Not that it matters much - crime scene processing is indeed all about getting the bad guy - getting all of the evidence so they cannot slip out on a technicality. Nothing they were doing could add or create new charges in this case - the witnesses and the tapes tell the whole story.


One can also take that line "California couldn't get him, we will" referring to the hidden assets. Was it get him or get 'em?

Isn't that one of the reasons this didn't go down in California - so California doesn't get 'em as in assets?

[Lqqkout]

Seems like that could boomerang. If he had the same charges as OJ, that shows OJ being treated just like everyone else. Nothing special. Just the normal DA charging everything possible at the start - which is a very normal thing.

Was OJ not offered a plea? That would be right by me - the mastermind, the leader, should not be able to plead out and get a lesser sentence than one of the fools he lead into this situation - and all too often I see that - the druglord turns evidence and gets off cheap, the drugmule has nothing to turn, and is sentenced to the max.


And - is my recollection faulty? I recall hearing the person saying the "California couldn't get him, we will" was a civilian, not LE? Not that it matters much - crime scene processing is indeed all about getting the bad guy - getting all of the evidence so they cannot slip out on a technicality. Nothing they were doing could add or create new charges in this case - the witnesses and the tapes tell the whole story.

It is the mindset one has when going into the case. This is why most ME's don't want to know anything about the death of the soon to be autopsied, so as not to taint their decision. When you go into a scene with "We"ll get him" on your mind (rush of judgement) the entire case is tainted because you already have your mind made up. That is not allowed in a fair trial. Here is the article where this was described in the NY Post http://www.nypost.com/seven/09182008/news/nationalnews/lawyer__cops_seemed_intent_to_convict_oj_129704.ht m

[Lqqkout]

1:30 Las Vegas time, 4:30 Eastern

thank you........................

[legalmania]

So you are trying and finding OJ guilty solely due to past deeds as your quote "finally brought to justice" and many of your others suggest. I watch every trial with absolutely no bias and weigh whether the prosecution can meet their burden. That is ALL that matters to me, the legal wrangling, not whether I like them , how they dress, how overweight they are or how they wear their hair, but I am a minority on this board and you are with the majority. When you say you thought justice would prevail, that is exactly what happened, like it or not. The prosecution did not meet their burden of proof. When any LE incidents are found to be without honor, the case is lost. As it should be.

Your not so alone Lqqkout, I believe a recent poll showed that it is pretty even on who thinks innocents or guilt. I've been saying from day one that until I see the whole trial in its entirety I can't come to a full conclusion. I happened to be learning the law in a university when the criminal trial was on and we had to watch and comment on what we thought everyday. Most of the class thought there was reasonable doubt.

[llylabrat]

Originally Posted by rulovlaw
Whatever else people may think about OJ,
OJ (As has been tesified to) is very affiable, <snip>


People like Jack Ford say he is charismatic. People said the same thing about Ted Bundy. You can be charismatic and still be bad to the bone.

[bearwds]

One can infer you got carried away with the role play! j/k

I remember reading your post long ago about that.
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Ha....!!! We went out into the garden and skulked around. Silly.


bearwds

[bearwds]

With the past tense "did" I'd be a little afraid to ask what happened to her.
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Don't be. We went our seperate ways...she contracted MS, and died.

Great gal. Never marry your best friend :(


bearwds

[JBL]

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Don't be. We went our seperate ways...she contracted MS, and died.

Great gal. Never marry your best friend :(


bearwds


Sorry to hear that. I recall bearwds as being a twosome with dual posting ability distinct personality's. If it wasn't this nick is was one very similar.

Sorry for off topic - again sorry to hear that.

[cherylt]

Do we know why Stewart wasn't offered a deal?

I don't see why OJ would have the same charges - or results- as Ehrlich. Like Riccio I believe Ehrlich thought they were going to do a simple deal: surprise them with OJ; check if its really OJ's stolen stuff and demand it back or they'll call LE. End of story. That was the plan.
It got out of hand - starting with the gun and also OJ saying "don't let them out of here", and "put that phone down". OJ decided what to do: OJ brought the thugs.


Because the state wouldn't give him a deal based on what Stewart's side of the story was. I think they wanted him to cop to something w/ the guns and he was adamant about NOT being involved with the guns... They wanted him to plead to a charge which would involve significant jail time & he didn't believe he did anything wrong...

[JBL]

Do we know why Stewart wasn't offered a deal?

I don't see why OJ would have the same charges - or results- as Ehrlich. Like Riccio I believe Ehrlich thought they were going to do a simple deal: surprise them with OJ; check if its really OJ's stolen stuff and demand it back or they'll call LE. End of story. That was the plan.
It got out of hand - starting with the gun and also OJ saying "don't let them out of here", and "put that phone down". OJ decided what to do: OJ brought the thugs.


I'm speculating that Stewarts license either realtor or some kind of brokerage license has something to do with not going for a plea deal. A plea deal means he looses it but a clearance he keeps it. He has to much at stake to plea deal out.

I don't know this per fact but I remember some talk about it.

[bearwds]

Sorry to hear that. I recall bearwds as being a twosome with dual posting ability distinct personality's. If it wasn't this nick is was one very similar.

Sorry for off topic - again sorry to hear that.
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I didn't really understand your Post, but thank you for the wishes.

I've been "bearwds" for over 14 years of posting on this and other Boards.

They should be starting again pretty soon? I'd like to see Beardsly today.


bearwds

[Details]

Do we know if OJ and/or Stewart were offered deals? I thought they were simply the ones who refused the plea deals.

[llylabrat]

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Ha....!!! We went out into the garden and skulked around. Silly.


bearwds

Silly maybe. I would love to re-enact some of these trials based on testimony. One poster in the Laci Peterson trial made drawings on how she supposed Laci was tied up in that tarp.

[JBL]

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I didn't really understand your Post, but thank you for the wishes.

I've been "bearwds" for over 14 years of posting on this and other Boards.

They should be starting again pretty soon? I'd like to see Beardsly today.


bearwds

I thought your nick was two people always. I thought I remembered that two of you posted using that nick. Male and Female - Husband and Wife partners.

Hope that cleared it up.

Yes 4:30. they're supposed to start back up.

[cherylt]

I'm speculating that Stewarts license either realtor or some kind of brokerage license has something to do with not going for a plea deal. A plea deal means he looses it but a clearance he keeps it. He has to much at stake to plea deal out.

I don't know this per fact but I remember some talk about it.


IIRC, those facts pertain to Walter Alexander (the non-p i m p). :) ...

[JBL]

IIRC, those facts pertain to Walter Alexander (the non-****). :) ...

Same type premise with Alexander except there was no way around him having the actual gun. No way he was going to get out of that.

[bearwds]

I thought your nick was two people always. I thought I remembered that two of you posted using that nick. Male and Female - Husband and Wife partners.

Hope that cleared it up.

Yes 4:30. they're supposed to start back up.
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Nope. genesis----> Was dubbed a "bear" by friend many years ago. That evolved to bear-in-the-woods joke and constricted use is "bearwds".

On topic.... I believe Ehrlich as far as I could throw him. He did the best thing for Ehrlich...will get probation.


bearwds

[cherylt]

Same type premise with Alexander except there was no way around him having the actual gun. No way he was going to get out of that.

Absolutely! He HAD the other gun where it could be seen with his jacket open!

[AnnInOhio]

I wasn't talking about OJ I was talking to Details, it was a little error no big deal but somebody asked what Riccio did and I put my 2 cents in.

Right, but in spite of all the smarmy things Riccio did, he didn't threaten anyone, didn't bar anyone from leaving, didn't expect guns, and I'm not convinced he'd have taken anything from Beardley and Fromong unless they willingly gave it up without calling security.

[cherylt]

Hi,
What are the links that are showing the trial besides CNN ? Thanks.

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http://www.knbc.com/videostream/10954229/detail.html
or

www.thelegaledge.com

[AnnInOhio]

Hi,
What are the links that are showing the trial besides CNN ? Thanks.

http://www.ktla.com/livevideo_channelb

[bearwds]

Right, but in spite of all the smarmy things Riccio did, he didn't threaten anyone, didn't bar anyone from leaving, didn't expect guns, and I'm not convinced he'd have taken anything from Beardley and Fromong unless they willingly gave it up without calling security.
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The Kato Kaelen of the Palace. ...har


bearwds

[logbump]

Where ARE they?

[legalmania]

Because the state wouldn't give him a deal based on what Stewart's side of the story was. I think they wanted him to cop to something w/ the guns and he was adamant about NOT being involved with the guns... They wanted him to plead to a charge which would involve significant jail time & he didn't believe he did anything wrong...


Hey cherylt how is the job hunting going or did you find a collage? I was going to tell you that once you get your degree you will know everybody's legal problems. I introduced myself to my neighbors and when they found out I'm a paralegal right away they want to see if I can solve their legal problems.

[AnnInOhio]

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The Kato Kaelen of the Palace. ...har


bearwds

Right down to always looking for hamburgers!

[Lqqkout]

Do we know why Stewart wasn't offered a deal?

I don't see why OJ would have the same charges - or results- as Ehrlich. Like Riccio I believe Ehrlich thought they were going to do a simple deal: surprise them with OJ; check if its really OJ's stolen stuff and demand it back or they'll call LE. End of story. That was the plan.
It got out of hand - starting with the gun and also OJ saying "don't let them out of here", and "put that phone down". OJ decided what to do: OJ brought the thugs.

The fact that a deal was made with Mc. is what tells me the LE is out to get OJ. MC was the one who had the gun and a deal was made? Mc may get simple probation to 11 yrs depending on his testimony. HE had the gun and may get off scott free while OJ did not have the gun and claims to know nothing about it. Doesn't this bother anyone? And please don't say deals are made so the truth will come out. MC will NOT be sentenced until after he does the deed on the stand. This is the equivalent of the pro holding a gun to Mc's head. The only FAIR trial is one with no deals. When there are deals, this clearly shows bias against one person.

[bearwds]

BACK LIVE.........

bearwds

[Details]

Shoulda been back 20 min ago, are back now. Sometimes, some of the delay is just everyone getting into position (can't have jurors walking past cameras), and maybe a few early motions or discussions or some such.

[JBL]

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The Kato Kaelen of the Palace. ...har


bearwds

OMG does that bring back laughs!

Ann showed me this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZnUMqMH8M8

and it's still a scream

:lol:

[Details]

lord have mercy, where are they?

am i in the minority? i belived erhlich was telling the truth.

*wendy creeping out before the tomatoes start flying*I think his story is entirely plausible - and fits with the tapes and the other witnesses. This started out as a sting, go there, dealers are so intimidated at being confronted with OJ they hand the stuff over, the end. I can easily believe that's the only story he heard. But when OJ's "boys" showed up, it all changed - he decided to bring along a few thugs with guns.

[Lqqkout]

Pia, Here is the link of "If they couldn't get him in CA" ETC

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09182008/news/nationalnews/lawyer__cops_seemed_intent_to_convict_oj_129704.ht m

[cherylt]

Hey cherylt how is the job hunting going or did you find a collage? I was going to tell you that once you get your degree you will know everybody's legal problems. I introduced myself to my neighbors and when they found out I'm a paralegal right away they want to see if I can solve their legal problems.

Nah, nothing yet. But I did go online last night to get some info on getting a cert....
People already tend to tell me their problem w/out me eliciting them. YIKES! I am going to get even MORE of it! :)
In the words of DH, I am a "freak magnet."

[Details]

I totally agree.:beer:11 years is a long sentence for having a gun and not using it. People who shoot the gun get less time than that! He's not getting any great deal. And the mastermind, the person calling the shots, that person is the one the police should always be most interested in getting - not the peons, not the foot-soldiers - the generals.

[bearwds]

lord have mercy, where are they?

am i in the minority? i belived erhlich was telling the truth.

*wendy creeping out before the tomatoes start flying*
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Hey Wendy. No tomatoes. I ate them...slurp

Ehrlich's selective memory doomed him (for me) as a credible witness.

...he's back up ...see how he does.


bearwds

[Details]

Thank you so much for the link. Very interesting....Quite a lack of detail in there - who actually said it?

It does also include the police statements that OJ was not arrested, when a normal person would be, because they wanted to be absolutely sure, go above and beyond their usual level of proof required to arrest.

[rulovlaw]

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My mouth dropped open when I read your Post ruovlaw.

Affialble...!!!

Did you ever see the pictures of Nicole when he beat the ship out of her...?? How about the break-in tapes when he was tryng to assault her ?? The two killings. The tapes from THIS robbery.

A "nice guy" he is not.

A 4th rate actor that is famous for being infamous.

He Was a good football player many years ago. That's it.


bearwds

Well I suggest closing it..
Affiable yes, Thats what I said, Its been testified as an accurate description of OJ Simpson by more then one witness in this case.
Your opinion of him is really worthless since you dont know the guy, And I doubt you have ever met him, and so having nothing to base your opinion on.
I would presume that those who know or have met him would know better if he is "Affiable".
Your pointing out the Murder case is not at all relevant to THIS CASE.
You dont know if he is a nice guy.
Ive seen all the pictures, heard all the tapes from before, They both had a volatile relationship and hot tempers, that has no bearing on whether or not he is "Affiable". And has less then nothing to do with this case.

[Lqqkout]

11 years is a long sentence for having a gun and not using it. People who shoot the gun get less time than that! He's not getting any great deal. And the mastermind, the person calling the shots, that person is the one the police should always be most interested in getting - not the peons, not the foot-soldiers - the generals.

That is probation up to 11 years, anywhere in that range. A heck of alot better than 35 to life, don't you think? And if he says something REALLY incriminating, like OJ told me to bring the gun...slam dunk....probation is your reward...and that sentence will not be metered out until AFTER he testifies.

[Details]

Most of these guys obviously have no interest in getting OJ convicted - Riccio as well as Ehnlich - they put in any positive note they can - even when it's not on the tapes - such as Riccio's testimony yesterday that Beardsly kept saying stuff was stolen, even though that wasn't on the long tapes of him and Beardsly talking.

They're telling the truth because they have to - but they're giving every shade they can to help OJ. They want to keep him as a buddy - it seems totally obvious to me. If they had anything to keep him out of jail (without hurting themselves) - such as the ability to say "Hey judge, the prosecutor told me to lie, do I gotta?" - they'd do it in a heartbeat, I'm sure.

[JBL]

Remember, Erhlich is OJ's best bud. He agreed to a plea to save his neck. He has no interest in getting OJ convicted, Only saving his own neck.

This can be a win-win for everyone.

This would be a lose lose for John Q Public when someone enters your home - walks up to you on a street or wherever with a gun saying to give them what they claim to be their's back.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT! Any place anywhere!

[JBL]

He did forget an awful lot of things in his testimony...I can see from a year ago but less than:shrug: two months ago...

I think his lawyer handled everything - Ehrlich did not handle things until he absolutely had to be there. Yale was not asking him what his attorney handled. He was asking Ehrlech what Ehrlich did.

[cherylt]

Relevance as to where he ate his cheeseburger? Yikes, I can't stand Bryson. Methinks, Ehrlich is already annoyed at him.

[rulovlaw]

Originally Posted by rulovlaw
Whatever else people may think about OJ,
OJ (As has been tesified to) is very affiable, <snip>


People like Jack Ford say he is charismatic. People said the same thing about Ted Bundy. You can be charismatic and still be bad to the bone.

No argument here, Whether a person is "Affiable" does not determine guilt or innocence, Or If they are capable of commiting a crime.
I never claimed otherwise..
It just amazes me how people here who have never met him seem to think they know him better then those who do know him.. And make personal judgments they have no knowledge of based on their opinion of the CA Verdict/Trial

[Lqqkout]

Quite a lack of detail in there - who actually said it?

It does also include the police statements that OJ was not arrested, when a normal person would be, because they wanted to be absolutely sure, go above and beyond their usual level of proof required to arrest.

It was said by an employee of the police dept while the police were investigating the hotel room. It is on tape and of course LE want to get everything right, but what I am saying is the state of mind. Not that OJ committed a crime, but rather "We can get him". There is a huge difference.

[bearwds]

one of those tomatoes was my supper :mad:


the way i saw him, it seemed to me that he was sure of what he was saying but let himself get all confused by yale. he also seemed to be a little confused at time. i was thinking that with his heart history, i wondered if maybe he is getting vascular dementia. probably not but he rememinded me of how people act when they first start losing their memory and get confused on details easily.
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We have to be careful as nurse's not to D/X over a computer screen.

I think it is/was Yale's convoluted questions that went nowhere but to the next galaxy...far, far away.

He is doing better now.


bearwds

[legalmania]

Does anybody know why Mr. Jones the attorney for Stewart has only gotten to examine a witness once? Is he there for looks or what?

[Details]

Truth? You don't know much about the LE and prosecutors and how they work? Do you?

They know. That is why they have rolled.

At what point did we hear OJ say 'Put the gun away', on the tape.I know more than enough. All these fun conspiracy theories happen in every trial. No matter how much evidence. No matter how much the testimony from everyone with a plea matches the videotapes, audiotapes, and testimony from the witnesses. The defense always puts out the conspiracy theory, and no matter how little there is to back it up, some are always looking for conspiracies - and when you look, you can always see one, especially when they don't exist.

Fake testimony would match the tape perfectly - they'd not say OJ said put the gun away if they were doing the bidding of some dirty prosecutor or LE. It's so easy to make fake testimony match. Real testimony goes with people's recollections that vary, interpret body language as verbal, interpret words differently, and forget here and there.


But yeah - every trial, same thing. Everyone but the defendant is lying.

[Lqqkout]

This would be a lose lose for John Q Public when someone enters your home - walks up to you on a street or wherever with a gun saying to give them what they claim to be their's back.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT! Any place anywhere!

That person you are referring to made a deal, may get probation and is not on trial. His name is Michael Mclinton..so I guess you can do that!

[Kara]

lord have mercy, where are they?

am i in the minority? i belived erhlich was telling the truth.

*wendy creeping out before the tomatoes start flying*

LOL How can people throw tomatoes at the person who provides breakfast goodies every morning?

Actually, I do believe he is being truthful...I mean, what a stupid thing to lie about (the order of events) when it's obvious that you are being set up to be impeached. Obviously he's just not that good with dates/timing or easily confused by the questioning tactic of YG.

:seeya:

[Details]

i have to agree with that. i never heard oj say put away the gun.Which means one of two very common things. Either the witness is misremembering something (and something in OJ's favor, BTW - that'd be a great line for the defense to use to prove OJ didn't know there'd be a gun there) - or that was said and the tape recorder missed it - McC was yelling, OJ was quiet - plenty of points in that tape recording where there's multiple people talking and you cannot hear them all.

[JBL]

That person you are referring to made a deal, may get probation and is not on trial. His name is Michael Mclinton..so I guess you can do that!

I did no such thing. I didn't refer to only one person. If your in a group your a group.

Like a drug dealer hiding drugs in the babies diaper. Do you arrest the baby because the baby had the goods?

Why was McClinton there by request of OJ

[cherylt]

I know more than enough. All these fun conspiracy theories happen in every trial. No matter how much evidence. No matter how much the testimony from everyone with a plea matches the videotapes, audiotapes, and testimony from the witnesses. The defense always puts out the conspiracy theory, and no matter how little there is to back it up, some are always looking for conspiracies - and when you look, you can always see one, especially when they don't exist.

Fake testimony would match the tape perfectly - they'd not say OJ said put the gun away if they were doing the bidding of some dirty prosecutor or LE. It's so easy to make fake testimony match. Real testimony goes with people's recollections that vary, interpret body language as verbal, interpret words differently, and forget here and there.


But yeah - every trial, same thing. Everyone but the defendant is lying.

Yes, Prosecution conspiracy or set up by the mob (their handiwork), are two very common strategies...

[Details]

thats what i was leaning towards when i was thinking about it. there was a lot of the tape you couldnt understand for all the yelling. thats the way i'd play it to the jury too.I've sometimes had little disagreements with my hubby - he asks why I did something, I say I did it because he either said or his body language and vocalizations implied he wanted me to. It's only a few minutes to an hour later - but I cannot remember exactly what he said, and whether it was body language or words.

People forget, memories are a mixed jumble of what happened and impressions you had - reliable for the broad strokes, and what was discussed - but exact words, exactly how - it's easy for things to get mixed up.


Ehnlich is getting very frustrated at the attorney's attempts to put words into his mouth.

[bearwds]

oh hush up, i wasnt dx, lol. dont differential diagnoses run thru your mind all the time? or am i just a loser that way, lol

honestly, yales line of questioning confused even me!
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D/X's run through mind all the time....lol Can't shake it after 30 years on front line. You think you will lose it in retirement ??...ha No

Ehrlich really wants to get off the stand. That's the time a witness answers a question in a rapid manner and may step in it.


bearwds

[llylabrat]

nice upstanding guy huh? thanks for the link!

is that article referring to brent bryson activities, or someone else?

from the story:

Attorney Charles D. Jones declined comment Thursday outside court in Las Vegas about his indictment last Jan. 23 in Shreveport, La. He is accused of filing false federal tax returns in 2001 and 2003, and trying to avoid paying federal income taxes on more than $750,000 in legal fees from July 1995 until December 2003.

[Lqqkout]

thats what kills me about this case! jami was saying if he wasnt OJ then this case would have never been charged. well wth? the went in that room, guns blazing, wouldnt let the guys leave and all the while screaming "it's my sh*t".

i use my neighbor as an example again. next time she borrows my mixer, i'm going to say she stole, go busting in with my gun, hold her against her will until i get it back and then go home. if they charge me..im using the OJ defense. "It was my sh*t" :D

this was illegal what they did. yo ucant just go taking anything from anyone withouut proof that it's yours and you have to provide that proof in a civil court of law! oj wouldnt do that cuz then the goldman's would know he had hid stuff.

That was Mr Mclinton that burst in with a gun and he made a deal and may get probation.. OJ maintains he knew nothing about a gun.

[Lqqkout]

Did OJ say 'put the gun away' on the tape? Or 'put that away' on the tape.

Honestly.

I believe he told Fromong to "put that down" because Mr Fromong was on the cell.

[cherylt]

or devil worshipers...dont forget the devil worshipers!

:lol: Oh yeah, how I could I forget about that one!

[Lqqkout]

I did no such thing. I didn't refer to only one person. If your in a group your a group.

Like a drug dealer hiding drugs in the babies diaper. Do you arrest the baby because the baby had the goods?

Why was McClinton there by request of OJ

You most certainly did. Let me refresh your memory


This would be a lose lose for John Q Public when someone enters your home - walks up to you on a street or wherever with a gun saying to give them what they claim to be their's back.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT! Any place anywhere!
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[cherylt]

IMO Bryson is NOT helping his client by being so condescending & adversarial. I feel the jury may feel bad for Ehrlich having to endure this unnecessary combative cross. MOO. He is SOOO obnoxious!!!

[Lqqkout]

At any point, when the gun came out, did anyone change their
inflections or get more alarmed or say 'put that away'?


This guy saw 2 guns, according to him. But not until a year later.

This guy is supposed to be OJ's friend---NOT

[llylabrat]

Oh how I wish Larry Fidler were the judge in this trial.

[cherylt]

could someone explain to me again why stewart wasnt offered a deal?

I posted this earlier and I think it is pretty accurate:

Because the state wouldn't give him a deal based on what Stewart's side of the story was. I think they wanted him to cop to something w/ the guns and he was adamant about NOT being involved with the guns... They wanted him to plead to a charge which would involve significant jail time & he didn't believe he did anything wrong...

[bearwds]

ACK... Have to go. Keep an eye on these characters.

Someone better.

:seeya::seeya::seeya:


bearwds

[llylabrat]

Arent these witnesses going to be sentenced by this judge?

[Lqqkout]

Oh how I wish Larry Fidler were the judge in this trial.

So do I. This judge acts like a spoiled little girl NOT getting her way.

[cherylt]

His testimony has just been DESTROYED!


How so? Bryson is relentless & got Ehrlich all confused, but I missed the part where Ehrlich's testimony was "destroyed". :shrug:

[Lqqkout]

yes i know it was mcclinton and i know that oj SAYS he didnt see any guns but OJ got them all together to go get his "sh*t".

I would have done the same thing. No guns, just confrontation. And I would be furious if one of my friends brought a gun.

[AnnInOhio]

The fact that a deal was made with Mc. is what tells me the LE is out to get OJ. MC was the one who had the gun and a deal was made? Mc may get simple probation to 11 yrs depending on his testimony. HE had the gun and may get off scott free while OJ did not have the gun and claims to know nothing about it. Doesn't this bother anyone? And please don't say deals are made so the truth will come out. MC will NOT be sentenced until after he does the deed on the stand. This is the equivalent of the pro holding a gun to Mc's head. The only FAIR trial is one with no deals. When there are deals, this clearly shows bias against one person.

Who was the common denominator within this group of thugs? OJ Simpson. Had it not been for OJ this would never have happened. Blame Riccio we must, but he knew OJ for the type of man he is: someone bankable who would likely go to stupid lengths to get back the memorabilia he tried to hide from the Goldmans. There is reason for bias against OJ just like there would be against other likely suspect.

[Details]

Yall keep forgetting that these people were INVITED in by the person who had a key and was the suite occupier (Riccio). Whether or not there was a gun has not been proven, except the testimony of
witnesses who received plea bargains because they were threatened by the cops in going back to prison.

IMO, the fantasy gun was planted by the cops who said on tape they would 'get' OJ, just like Fuhrman planted the real live GLOVE on the
back fence at OJ's place!These fantasy cops are pretty incredible. Did they use a time machine to have Beardsly and Fromong talking about the gun on the tape right after OJ exits the room?

An invitation does not justify robbery - not at all. If I invite you into my hotel room, that's not permission to steal and grab all you want - let alone frisk me, tell me I cannot leave, and take stuff belonging to others I share that room with. All the invitation did was exempt them from a charge of breaking and entering.

[AnnInOhio]

I would have done the same thing. No guns, just confrontation. And I would be furious if one of my friends brought a gun.

OJ doesn't seem furious at his friends to me. All I hear is denial.

[Lqqkout]

Off to paint....

[cherylt]

ohhhh, ok. thank you so much! i was thinking he refused to cop a plea, didnt realize they never offered him one.

Well, he was offered a plea offered (kind of ) but it involved substantial jail time & he doesn't want to do any...

[logbump]

help me, please. Was that jury questions?

TIA
In Nevada the Jury is allowed to submit questions.

[Lqqkout]

OJ doesn't seem furious at his friends to me. All I hear is denial.

I haven't heard him at all.

[llylabrat]

help me, please. Was that jury questions?

TIA

yes, and the way judge glass was smiling, i think she likes that part too. or maybe she is just glad this torture is over...until the next witness who doesn't understand the meaning of "answer just the question."

[cherylt]

These fantasy cops are pretty incredible. Did they use a time machine to have Beardsly and Fromong talking about the gun on the tape right after OJ exits the room?

An invitation does not justify robbery - not at all. If I invite you into my hotel room, that's not permission to steal and grab all you want - let alone frisk me, tell me I cannot leave, and take stuff belonging to others I share that room with. All the invitation did was exempt them from a charge of breaking and entering.


Obviously, there was NO need to plant a gun, since it is apparent guns were present by that very conversation you mentioned above. "we've just been robbed at gunpoint by OJ Simpson"! to 911 ...

[AnnInOhio]

I haven't heard him at all.

Did you not listen to the tapes? The tapes are evidence and I think it's pretty clear which voice is OJ's.

[Details]

They didn't have to step outside for just that question - I think some jury questions got dumped. Must have been inappropriate in some way.

[Details]

Trying to finish up dinner here...what happened???:shrug:Absolutely nothing dramatic. A few little normal memory flakes, but nothing significant.

[cherylt]

Were the jury questions asked & answered already? Why are we already objecting to the next witness???

How was Ehrlich's testimony destroyed, for the posters who said that?

[cherylt]

They didn't have to step outside for just that question - I think some jury questions got dumped. Must have been inappropriate in some way.

Could you please let me know the Q&A? I'd sooo appreciate it!!

[Details]

It appeared to me that he pretty much had Ehrlich admitting that he
did not remember what he had said had happened and in fact, made a
plea and changed his testimony in August of this year, 2008 or just a
month ago.What testimony did you hear that suggested that - I heard questions trying to say such things - but not a word from the witness that confirmed it. A little memory flake, but that's it.

[Details]

Could you please let me know the Q&A? I'd sooo appreciate it!!Question was apparently if the term "scratch" was OJ's or not, and what he meant by it. Answer was it was his term, and meant money.

[Adalena935]

ok, I've got an itch to scratch or somethin...:cool: oh wait, next witness Galanter is objecting -- Mr. Cook, who is representing the Goldmans:confused:

Galanter in this trial reminds me of Charles Manson at his own trial. Anything to stall and disrupt.

That tells me he doesn't have much else.

[Adalena935]

Some of the low life's OJ was in this with are probably afraid of reprisal because they testified against him; whether he gets convicted or not.

No honor among thieves.

[cherylt]

Question was apparently if the term "scratch" was OJ's or not, and what he meant by it. Answer was it was his term, and meant money.

Thanks! That seems an odd question. Any idea of why the jury would ask it? It doesn't seem relevant...

[AnnInOhio]

They didn't have to step outside for just that question - I think some jury questions got dumped. Must have been inappropriate in some way.

She said most were in the same vein. They asked what day he arrived (day before or after the incident) and I've just drawn a blank on the other(s).

[AnnInOhio]

Question was apparently if the term "scratch" was OJ's or not, and what he meant by it. Answer was it was his term, and meant money.

Wasn't the question something about was part of the plan to act as if they were going to have money with them to purchase the items. I think the "scratch" question was Galanter's but I wasn't playing close attention.

[AnnInOhio]

They didn't have to step outside for just that question - I think some jury questions got dumped. Must have been inappropriate in some way.


I think it's just quicker and easier for the judge and attorney to step out than to remove the jury while they review the relevance and appropriateness of the jury questions.

[Details]

You missed that he admitted he pleaded NG on his charges up until August 2008, when he changed and did a plea bargain with the DA?That's not changing his story. That's changing his plea. And that's hardly an admission - it's publicly available information - nothing secret nor a surprise.

I'm not surprised either - he did little enough, I'd go for a trial too, were I him - he probably could get a NG from a jury. But the plea deal is reasonable, and does cover the little he actually did - carrying stuff out and not going right to police.

[legalmania]

You most certainly did. Let me refresh your memory


This would be a lose lose for John Q Public when someone enters your home - walks up to you on a street or wherever with a gun saying to give them what they claim to be their back.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT! Any place anywhere!
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In my ex state of Florida you can shoot someone if you feel threatened. I don't remember the law verbatim., but it was something like that.

[AnnInOhio]

Thanks! That seems an odd question. Any idea of why the jury would ask it? It doesn't seem relevant...

I'll review the tape in a minute, but if the actual jury question was about whether part of Charlie's role was to make the sellers think he'd be bringing a lot of cash - to buy the stuff on site - I think it may go to the issue of why the guys had guns. Like in drug deals, large amounts of cash ususally equates to guns.

[rulovlaw]

look rul...this thread is not to bash people with an opinion different from yours. it is to discuss the ongoing trial. you are more than welcome to jump in on that discussion but stop the rudeness. trust me...you'll get banned. we all have different opinions and have been posting amicably together for over a week. some of us think he's guilty and a lowlife...some think he's innocent and a great guy. but either way...we havent fought about it and we arent starting now!

Can you point out where I bashed anyone ?
I was not rude, I simply responded ro this persons statement to ME.
I have no problems with who believes what but Im entitled to point out that a persons opinion is not fact, especially when it goes against testimony or stated facts.How is pointing that out rude?
I dont come here to bash anyone, Just because I see the evidence how Its presented from BOTH sides does not mean I think Simpson is a "great guy" I dont presume know one way or the other, But I do think that those who know him would have a better perspective then anyone who has never met the man.

If I said anything that was taken as "Bashing" It was not intended as such.