TUESDAY Morning, 9/23 - Day 99

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone. Please continue here when you are ready.

[nutterbutter]

Good morning all.Please continue here.:rose:

[nutterbutter]

Good morning all.Please continue here.:rose:
Candle can be lit here for those tat want to light the way for Caylee.



http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

[Regina.Lampert]

Nancy Grace had a very good show last night. My favorite comment came from Marc Klaas describing casey anthony:

KLAAS: This Casey woman is an absolutely odious creature. You see -- it`s like concentric circles in a pond. She is leaving victim after victim after victim after victim. I see this wonderful man, Mr. Grund, almost come to tears on your program over something over which he had absolutely no control, and should not have been involved in ever.

Yep, I think Marc captured the magic that is casey anthony. We also learned that Kobilinsky has jumped to the dark side:

GRACE: Out to famed forensic scientist, Lawrence Kobilinsky at John J. College of Criminal Justice, who has now signed on to be a consultant to the Casey Anthony defense team.

I was very impressed with Richard Grund, one can understand why Jesse Grund is such an impressive young man. This family loved Caylee Anthony.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html

[Regina.Lampert]

Here's the caseycam link:


http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

[n/t]

Good Morning!

Was reading over last night's thread and someone posted a summary of an interview with Padilla.

I'm confused about this lady security guard Padilla mentions. She was part of his team. He claims she accompanied Casey on "visits". What visits? The only person we've ever seen with Casey from Padilla's team was Robert Dick from what I recall. Who is this woman and why isn't she talking to LE?

Real life has taken me away from the forum for the most part and I probably missed the discussion about this woman.

Can someone fill me in. TIA!

[Katt2]

Morning Miss Reggie!
I knew way back that Kolby had crossed over when he changed his tune midstream about the forensics.

I enjoyed the interview with Jesse's Dad. It sounds like they had an entirely different perspective of Casey and that something must have snapped in her sometime.

[shelbar53]

morning nutter, did u know there is another morning thread?
what do we do?

[nutterbutter]

morning nutter, did u know there is another morning thread?
what do we do?
didnt know there was another one.

[MyrDawn]

Nancy Grace had a very good show last night. My favorite comment came from Marc Klaas describing casey anthony:

KLAAS: This Casey woman is an absolutely odious creature. You see -- it`s like concentric circles in a pond. She is leaving victim after victim after victim after victim. I see this wonderful man, Mr. Grund, almost come to tears on your program over something over which he had absolutely no control, and should not have been involved in ever.

Yep, I think Marc captured the magic that is casey anthony. We also learned that Kobilinsky has jumped to the dark side:

GRACE: Out to famed forensic scientist, Lawrence Kobilinsky at John J. College of Criminal Justice, who has now signed on to be a consultant to the Casey Anthony defense team.

I was very impressed with Richard Grund, one can understand why Jesse Grund is such an impressive young man. This family loved Caylee Anthony.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html

It was one of the best NG show I've seen. I burst out laughing when Marc called Casey an absolutely odious creature which is something I rarely do when I'm watching TV by myself! My DH heard me and came to see what was so funny. :D

IMO, both Marc Klaas and Richard Gund have more class in their little finger than most of the other "players" in this case have in their whole body.

Hearing that Dr. Kobilinsky has signed on with the defense explains the way he's been talking lately, for sure. I think NG was a bit miffed he didn't let her know earlier.

Prayers for Dominick Dunne :rose:

[Regina.Lampert]

Morning Miss Reggie!
I knew way back that Kolby had crossed over when he changed his tune midstream about the forensics.

I enjoyed the interview with Jesse's Dad. It sounds like they had an entirely different perspective of Casey and that something must have snapped in her sometime.

Morning N/T and KittKatt. Mr. Grund did have an insight, you're right. I believe she snapped from the pressure of hiding the "odious creature" that she actually was from everyone.

N/T - here is that great post from last night:


INCNTUTLPRVN
Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 451

Padilla on Scared Monkeys - brief

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. Padilla on - investigators interviewed him. Mainly Casey told LE she dropped off Caylee at apartment 210.

2. Then changed story - Samantha and ZFG and kidnapped Caylee at the park. Cindy told him first, then Caylee came out to the motorhome and said the same thing.

3. Back when we were on the bond - the following Wednesday when the lab results came out, he really thought (before) we had a live person on his hands. But he believed the LE and felt it was going to get really nasty. So he said he was going to surrender Casey Saturday. Obviously, Friday she was re-arrested and they didn't have to surrender her. On Saturday he revoked the bond anyway.

4. He predicted what would happen with the protestors if she didn't stay in jail (what's happening now with all the protestors). She's not safe unless she's in jail.

5. Father of the child - Jesse Ortiz, Eric, Javee Platt, or her own brother Lee, Mark Hawkins, another Brandon Snow. He thinks they should all be tested as it's just an unknown right now.

6. Jesse Grund took a LDT and has been cleared as the baby daddy. He still has a great love for her - his first love. But he always had this thing for the baby - it effected him adversly. He stood up to Cindy and she didn't like it - thus now Cindy blaming him on the murder.

7. She goes to Jesse's house after the car was abandoned, and took a shower at his house. Cindy thinks Jesse killed the baby and put her in the trunk of the car.

8. The following day Cindy was talking about how many people had access to the trunk of the car. Casey said there were MANY PEOPLE who had a key to the trunk of the car.

9. LP is offering 50K to tell him where the body is, he recovers the body, and they get the cash.

10. Security gal accompanied Casey to all visits to and from the house - even stayed in the house. As time went on, discussions took place between Casey and her. She was concerned about some of the things she had heard and didn't tell LE or LP. She said she wasn't going to tell LE what was discussed - because it could land her too deeply in the case - he went so far as to say his security gal may end up in jail as Baez may try to pin it on her.

11. One last question. Do you feel LE have enough to file murder charges?
Padilla: Absolutely yes

12. G & C - the night G&C came back from father's day, Cindy grabbed Casey by the throat (on the 15th). She left that night - it scared the heck out of her.

End of summary interview. I know I missed some, but I was typing as fast as I could. The interview lasted a max of 5 minutes.

Peace,
__________________
Melanie
an active member since 2003
I miss you Mom

[shelbar53]

well im here, going for coffee. be back in a sec

[MyrDawn]

Here's the caseycam link:


http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

I think this is the live one...
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

I'm going by the sky getting lighter and lighter, where as the other one is staying dark. Wouldn't it be getting lighter now in FL?

[sickntired]

Nancy Grace had a very good show last night. My favorite comment came from Marc Klaas describing casey anthony:

KLAAS: This Casey woman is an absolutely odious creature. You see -- it`s like concentric circles in a pond. She is leaving victim after victim after victim after victim. I see this wonderful man, Mr. Grund, almost come to tears on your program over something over which he had absolutely no control, and should not have been involved in ever.

Yep, I think Marc captured the magic that is casey anthony. We also learned that Kobilinsky has jumped to the dark side:

GRACE: Out to famed forensic scientist, Lawrence Kobilinsky at John J. College of Criminal Justice, who has now signed on to be a consultant to the Casey Anthony defense team.

I was very impressed with Richard Grund, one can understand why Jesse Grund is such an impressive young man. This family loved Caylee Anthony.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html

What do you all think could have happened to Casey? Or do you think she was fooling the Grunds back then?

GRUND: But I want people to understand that the Casey we knew that spent all of the time with us and watched Sunday football, and the pictures that you have is not the Casey you see right now.

And I think the clue to finding Caylee is what bridges the Casey we knew to the aberration we have now. If we can figure out what causes her to become, as Mr. Klaas said, the monster she is now, I think we find out what happened to Caylee.

[nutterbutter]

well im here, going for coffee. be back in a sec

CW will put both threads merged I would imaine.I think many times each person waits to start a thread and some how each one doesnt know the other made one and you end up with two or three by accidnt.maybe today something good will happen and more information will be revealed or Caylee will be found.:rose:

[Regina.Lampert]

I think this is the live one...
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

I'm going by the sky getting lighter and lighter, where as the other one is staying dark. Wouldn't it be getting lighter now in FL?

Oh thank you for posting the right one MyrDawn. Prayers for Dominic, I had no idea he was battling bladder cancer, poor guy.

[TxLady2]

I am impressed with Mr. Grund as well. I saw a short interview with him a few weeks ago, maybe with Geraldo? Anyway, he became very emotional and had to stop towards the end in order to gain control. He said they had come to love little Caylee like their own grandchild. One thing that struck me was.. he said Casey now is not the same Casey that they knew before. Either she changed dramatically after her breakup with Jesse, or she was extremely good at deceiving people her whole life.

[kakax]

Morning N/T and KittKatt. Mr. Grund did have an insight, you're right. I believe she snapped from the pressure of hiding the "odious creature" that she actually was from everyone.

N/T - here is that great post from last night:


INCNTUTLPRVN
Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 451

Padilla on Scared Monkeys - brief

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. Padilla on - investigators interviewed him. Mainly Casey told LE she dropped off Caylee at apartment 210.

2. Then changed story - Samantha and ZFG and kidnapped Caylee at the park. Cindy told him first, then Caylee came out to the motorhome and said the same thing.

3. Back when we were on the bond - the following Wednesday when the lab results came out, he really thought (before) we had a live person on his hands. But he believed the LE and felt it was going to get really nasty. So he said he was going to surrender Casey Saturday. Obviously, Friday she was re-arrested and they didn't have to surrender her. On Saturday he revoked the bond anyway.

4. He predicted what would happen with the protestors if she didn't stay in jail (what's happening now with all the protestors). She's not safe unless she's in jail.

5. Father of the child - Jesse Ortiz, Eric, Javee Platt, or her own brother Lee, Mark Hawkins, another Brandon Snow. He thinks they should all be tested as it's just an unknown right now.

6. Jesse Grund took a LDT and has been cleared as the baby daddy. He still has a great love for her - his first love. But he always had this thing for the baby - it effected him adversly. He stood up to Cindy and she didn't like it - thus now Cindy blaming him on the murder.

7. She goes to Jesse's house after the car was abandoned, and took a shower at his house. Cindy thinks Jesse killed the baby and put her in the trunk of the car.

8. The following day Cindy was talking about how many people had access to the trunk of the car. Casey said there were MANY PEOPLE who had a key to the trunk of the car.

9. LP is offering 50K to tell him where the body is, he recovers the body, and they get the cash.

10. Security gal accompanied Casey to all visits to and from the house - even stayed in the house. As time went on, discussions took place between Casey and her. She was concerned about some of the things she had heard and didn't tell LE or LP. She said she wasn't going to tell LE what was discussed - because it could land her too deeply in the case - he went so far as to say his security gal may end up in jail as Baez may try to pin it on her.

11. One last question. Do you feel LE have enough to file murder charges?
Padilla: Absolutely yes

12. G & C - the night G&C came back from father's day, Cindy grabbed Casey by the throat (on the 15th). She left that night - it scared the heck out of her.

End of summary interview. I know I missed some, but I was typing as fast as I could. The interview lasted a max of 5 minutes.

Peace,
__________________
Melanie
an active member since 2003
I miss you Mom



Ty for posting this. It's very interesting. Did LP say where he got the information that Cindy grabbed Casey by the throat?

[kakax]

Oh and Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

[shelbar53]

IIRC someone said one of the newsstations with a cam will no longer be showing a cam. i dont remember which one...i rarely watched...it messed up my computer when i did.

[MyrDawn]

What do you all think could have happened to Casey? Or do you think she was fooling the Grunds back then?

GRUND: But I want people to understand that the Casey we knew that spent all of the time with us and watched Sunday football, and the pictures that you have is not the Casey you see right now.

And I think the clue to finding Caylee is what bridges the Casey we knew to the aberration we have now. If we can figure out what causes her to become, as Mr. Klaas said, the monster she is now, I think we find out what happened to Caylee.

I think that Casey was all fine and dandy when things were going her way, but once her lies and thievery started catching up with her and she started being called into account for some of her actions, the true Casey came out.

JMO

[TxLady2]

What do you all think could have happened to Casey? Or do you think she was fooling the Grunds back then?

GRUND: But I want people to understand that the Casey we knew that spent all of the time with us and watched Sunday football, and the pictures that you have is not the Casey you see right now.

And I think the clue to finding Caylee is what bridges the Casey we knew to the aberration we have now. If we can figure out what causes her to become, as Mr. Klaas said, the monster she is now, I think we find out what happened to Caylee.

If she is a true sociopath, they are very good at deceiving people. However, I do think Casey might have changed dramatically over the past couple of years. Maybe her new set of friends had something to do with that. Who knows? But this is something I've thought about from the beginning, that no one anticipated something like this happening, not even her family.
It's very difficult to wrap my mind around any mother harming her children, yet it happens all the time.

[n/t]

What do you all think could have happened to Casey? Or do you think she was fooling the Grunds back then?

GRUND: But I want people to understand that the Casey we knew that spent all of the time with us and watched Sunday football, and the pictures that you have is not the Casey you see right now.

And I think the clue to finding Caylee is what bridges the Casey we knew to the aberration we have now. If we can figure out what causes her to become, as Mr. Klaas said, the monster she is now, I think we find out what happened to Caylee.

I don't think anything happened to her. She's a sociopath, imo. What she showed others was a facade. Look at some of the sociopaths we know. Bundy, Scott P....etc.

Charming with murder on their mind.

[n/t]

Scampi, that's the thread I was referring to in my earlier post. Have we ever seen this woman security guard? The only one I remember seeing accompanying Casey was Robert Dick. :shrug:

[shelbar53]

I think the phone calls she had with her mother at the jail were telling of her personality. Very nasty with swearing. so abrupt and disbelief that she was in jail and no one cared about HER. I think she probably talked that way to her friends when she didnt get her way.....

[Katt2]

[QUOTE=Regina.Lampert;12169835]Morning N/T and KittKatt. Mr. Grund did have an insight, you're right. I believe she snapped from the pressure of hiding the "odious creature" that she actually was from everyone.

N/T - here is that great post from last night:


~snipped~

I am in no way taking Casey's side but there is a remote possibility that there could be a physiological reason for Casey's behavior. Perhaps a chemical imbalance in her brain. Now I will take my leave before I get attacked and go back to lurking.

[n/t]

I had to laugh at Padilla's list of who's the daddy. He's guessing just like the rest of us. :rolleyes:

I guess I'm not impressed by Padilla as maybe some are. I don't think he knows anymore than we do. He got his 15 minutes, now I wish he would go away.

[Patriot]

(snip) Morning Miss Reggie!
I enjoyed the interview with Jesse's Dad. It sounds like they had an entirely different perspective of Casey and that something must have snapped in her sometime.

I enjoyed that too. He came across as very sincere and credible to me.

[Lostgirl]

I can't help but wonder if one of the triggers for this was Casey dating a new boyfriend

From what I've heard she had just started dating Tony not that long before Caylee disappears ... does anyone know for sure what he thought of any type of long term or serious relationship with someone with a kid?

He might have been okay with a casual thing but maybe Casey was hoping for more and thought Caylee would hamper her chances?

I dunno... just thinking out loud and also thinking about other cases like Susan Smith where the kids were getting in the way of her (in her mind at least) getting the guy she wanted... so *POOF* the kids need to go.

:shrug:

[n/t]

I think the phone calls she had with her mother at the jail were telling of her personality. Very nasty with swearing. so abrupt and disbelief that she was in jail and no one cared about HER. I think she probably talked that way to her friends when she didnt get her way.....

We've also seen a side of the Anthonys that left many of us shocked. Cursing and nastiness is not a stranger to the Anthonys in my opinion.

[Regina.Lampert]

Scampi, that's the thread I was referring to in my earlier post. Have we ever seen this woman security guard? The only one I remember seeing accompanying Casey was Robert Dick. :shrug:

I've never seen her, I think she was the person inside the home with casey anthony when she was bailed out the first time. I guess she could have been inside the vehicle used for transport of CA to the case manager and lawyer's office and we just didn't see her.

I don't see why she cannot just tell the OCSD what she heard and saw while inside that house. What could the legal exposure be?

[shelbar53]

I can't help but wonder if one of the triggers for this was Casey dating a new boyfriend

From what I've heard she had just started dating Tony not that long before Caylee disappears ... does anyone know for sure what he thought of any type of long term or serious relationship with someone with a kid?

He might have been okay with a casual thing but maybe Casey was hoping for more and thought Caylee would hamper her chances?

I dunno... just thinking out loud and also thinking about other cases like Susan Smith where the kids were getting in the way of her (in her mind at least) getting the guy she wanted... so *POOF* the kids need to go.

:shrug:
IIRC i read that she was getting way to serious with him. and as far as living with him..she didnt have her cloths in the closets or dressor, she had them in bags and when he went on vacation without her..she wasnt invited to stay there...thats why she took a shower somewhere else.

[MyrDawn]

I can't help but wonder if one of the triggers for this was Casey dating a new boyfriend

From what I've heard she had just started dating Tony not that long before Caylee disappears ... does anyone know for sure what he thought of any type of long term or serious relationship with someone with a kid?

He might have been okay with a casual thing but maybe Casey was hoping for more and thought Caylee would hamper her chances?

I dunno... just thinking out loud and also thinking about other cases like Susan Smith where the kids were getting in the way of her (in her mind at least) getting the guy she wanted... so *POOF* the kids need to go.

:shrug:

Susan Smith was able to act normally on the outside, and go on TV and plead for the return of her boys. Casey doesn't even seem to be able to pretend to be anywhere near normal, even to save herself. The lies she told the LE were so easily disproved, and she even kept lying about working at Universal after she knew they were aware she didn't work there any longer.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

I had to laugh at Padilla's list of who's the daddy. He's guessing just like the rest of us. :rolleyes:

I guess I'm not impressed by Padilla as maybe some are. I don't think he knows anymore than we do. He got his 15 minutes, now I wish he would go away.

I totally agree with you about Padilla!

[Regina.Lampert]

I don't think anything happened to her. She's a sociopath, imo. What she showed others was a facade. Look at some of the sociopaths we know. Bundy, Scott P....etc.

Charming with murder on their mind.

I agree. Truly good people like the Grunds do not have the capacity to see the evil underneath. Especially a genuine psychopath like casey anthony. She conned them and when she didn't need them anymore kicked them to the curb. She truly is evil, imo.

[Lostgirl]

I've never seen her, I think she was the person inside the home with casey anthony when she was bailed out the first time. I guess she could have been inside the vehicle used for transport of CA to the case manager and lawyer's office and we just didn't see her.

I don't see why she cannot just tell the OCSD what she heard and saw while inside that house. What could the legal exposure be?


what really shocked me about that was Padilla saying she is afraid of becoming involved to the point of her being accused of having something to do with this?!

what the heck did that mean?
she came along long after caylee was already missing... is he suggesting that Casey told her what she did with Casey or where Casey is but the woman is keeping that from the police?

[shelbar53]

Susan Smith was able to act normally on the outside, and go on TV and plead for the return of her boys. Casey doesn't even seem to be able to pretend to be anywhere near normal, even to save herself. The lies she told the LE were so easily disproved, and she even kept lying about working at Universal after she knew they were aware she didn't work there any longer.

JMO

I stll think she thought the police "bought" her kidnapping story. Even after they caught her in lies...because she told them basically, yes i lied but i had to to protect my daughter..see it all makes sense so now go find my daughter.

[ellegna]

snip
GRACE: Out to famed forensic scientist, Lawrence Kobilinsky at John J. College of Criminal Justice, who has now signed on to be a consultant to the Casey Anthony defense team.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html

That was a good show last night.
Not at all surprised Koby joined Casey's defense team and Nancy saw it coming weeks ago.

Sept 2/08 transcripts:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/02/ng.01.html


GRACE: Koby, isn`t it true that defense attorney Jose Baez has contacted you?

KOBILINSKY: That`s true. That`s true.

GRACE: About what?

KOBILINSKY: Well, you know, he`s -- has an uphill battle, as you just heard, and he wants some advisement on forensics. I`m a neutral person. Whether I`m contacted by the defense or prosecution, I`m going to say the same thing. So if I have something important to say, Jose will hear about it.

GRACE: So right now, she`s only charged with child neglect. She`s not charged with murder at this juncture. So why is he asking a renowned forensic scientist like yourself for advice?


The next night, NG really drilled him on his responses

Sept 3/08 video:
Starts around the 5 min mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmI10x5SzoM

[n/t]

I've never seen her, I think she was the person inside the home with casey anthony when she was bailed out the first time. I guess she could have been inside the vehicle used for transport of CA to the case manager and lawyer's office and we just didn't see her.

I don't see why she cannot just tell the OCSD what she heard and saw while inside that house. What could the legal exposure be?

According to Padilla per the post above, she's afraid Baez will pin it on her?? The only way I can see that happening is if Casey told her the truth and showed her where she buried Caylee or she played some sort of "good guy" game with Casey and Casey revealed too much info that may implicate this woman?:shrug:

[MyrDawn]

I totally agree with you about Padilla!

:seeya:
Me too. I believe he keeps coming up with these new tales so NG will keep having him on her show. I don't believe a word he says any longer.
JMO

[AMS]

Good morning all - I pretty much missed most of yesterday over here except for the NG show.

Was there anything new on Dr. Phil?

What are people's thoughts about Mr. Grund saying he heard Casey mention Zanny back in 2006?

[commonguymd]

If she is a true sociopath, they are very good at deceiving people. However, I do think Casey might have changed dramatically over the past couple of years. Maybe her new set of friends had something to do with that. Who knows? But this is something I've thought about from the beginning, that no one anticipated something like this happening, not even her family.
It's very difficult to wrap my mind around any mother harming her children, yet it happens all the time.

Just glimpsing at interviews of friends and acquaintances I find most people had nothing but good things to say about her before this terrible situation. It seems that after losing her job at Universal she started down a road or path to where we are at today. Then again, the dynamics of her being 7 months pregnant but denying it was peculiar, if true.

I hear she didn't drink much, yet I saw pictures of her obviously blitzed, and everyone seems to say she didn't use drugs. Straight laced I saw someone say. The facade was believable if anything from what I see. What happened?

[n/t]

I'm disgusted with Dr. K. I was so impressed with him when he first appeared on NG. He's now gone to be a consultant for Casey's defense. :cuss:

[shelbar53]

Kobi...good ridance. he can analyze the checks he receives to make sure they are not forged. Im waiting for Geragos to fly out from calif proclaming casey is stone cold innocent...yeah that worked well with scott

[Regina.Lampert]

what really shocked me about that was Padilla saying she is afraid of becoming involved to the point of her being accused of having something to do with this?!

what the heck did that mean?
she came along long after caylee was already missing... is he suggesting that Casey told her what she did with Casey or where Casey is but the woman is keeping that from the police?


It means that she knows the anthony's are more then willing to point the finger of guilt at ANYONE as long as it isn't their
psychopathic daughter. With that in mind it's probably a very good idea she got a lawyer.

[Lostgirl]

IIRC i read that she was getting way to serious with him. and as far as living with him..she didnt have her cloths in the closets or dressor, she had them in bags and when he went on vacation without her..she wasnt invited to stay there...thats why she took a shower somewhere else.

that's what i thought... and it struck me as him not being that interested in encouraging her to think it was anymore than just a casual thing.

and good point MyrDawn... Susan was wacky but she wasn't really like Casey.... and the best part of all is the police were able to work on Susan and get her to crack and confess..... Casey seems like the Icelady and nothings gonna make her come clean

[AMS]

I'm disgusted with Dr. K. I was so impressed with him when he first appeared on NG. He's now gone to be a consultant for Casey's defense. :cuss:


I hope NG gives him the boot.

[commonguymd]

I think the phone calls she had with her mother at the jail were telling of her personality. Very nasty with swearing. so abrupt and disbelief that she was in jail and no one cared about HER. I think she probably talked that way to her friends when she didnt get her way.....

One would think that, but seemingly that is not the case from everyone connected to her prior to the disappearance and even after. That exchange, that indignant, "You don't know what my involvement was?" and the jealousy of Cindy's cameos was interesting from a family dynamic perspective and probably reveals something only known between Casey and the family.

[Lostgirl]

It means that she knows the anthony's are more then willing to point the finger of guilt at ANYONE as long as it isn't their
psychopathic daughter. With that in mind it's probably a very good idea she got a lawyer.

you're right.... that angle didn't occur to me... good point Regina

[MyrDawn]

I stll think she thought the police "bought" her kidnapping story. Even after they caught her in lies...because she told them basically, yes i lied but i had to to protect my daughter..see it all makes sense so now go find my daughter.

Oh yes, I agree she thought they believed her about the kidnapping, but she did know they knew the truth about her no longer working at Universal, because she'd admitted that to them, yet she kept lying about it...like telling them she'd left her other phone on the desk in her office there. That was after she'd told them she didn't work there any longer. It made no sense!
JMO

[shelbar53]

Just glimpsing at interviews of friends and acquaintances I find most people had nothing but good things to say about her before this terrible situation. It seems that after losing her job at Universal she started down a road or path to where we are at today. Then again, the dynamics of her being 7 months pregnant but denying it was peculiar, if true.

I hear she didn't drink much, yet I saw pictures of her obviously blitzed, and everyone seems to say she didn't use drugs. Straight laced I saw someone say. The facade was believable if anything from what I see. What happened?
that info was from a guy who had the parties at his house..I dont think he knew her..just a typical guy looking for you know what at a party house called "lake Vaj" {yes as in vagina}. good lord the pics of them all over the net...of course he would be painting a low profile of how naw she didnt drink that much or wasnt easy. looked like everyone in the pics were either half naked and drunk and at different parties the same way.

[Lostgirl]

is that universal studios

I was thnking it looked like a standard kiddie park... but maybe not

[n/t]

I hope NG gives him the boot.


She should. :mad:

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning all - I pretty much missed most of yesterday over here except for the NG show.

Was there anything new on Dr. Phil?

What are people's thoughts about Mr. Grund saying he heard Casey mention Zanny back in 2006?

That tells me casey anthony used that lie way back in 2006 and just brought it forward to use with LE; complete with the Jeff Hopkins and Zanny babysitting his kids part..........all of which is untrue.

[commonguymd]

Oh yes, I agree she thought they believed her about the kidnapping, but she did know they knew the truth about her no longer working at Universal, because she'd admitted that to them, yet she kept lying about it...like telling them she'd left her other phone on the desk in her office there. That was after she'd told them she didn't work there any longer. It made no sense!
JMO

I can't see how they rectify that. It was surreal.

[shelbar53]

Oh yes, I agree she thought they believed her about the kidnapping, but she did know they knew the truth about her no longer working at Universal, because she'd admitted that to them, yet she kept lying about it...like telling them she'd left her other phone on the desk in her office there. That was after she'd told them she didn't work there any longer. It made no sense!
JMO

I was wondering why the dectectives didnt call her on that!!

[Lostgirl]

She should. :mad:

amen... cause she's got to know he'll only get worse and be useless for an unbiased opinions from here on out

[Regina.Lampert]

is that universal studios

Hi snow, use the link MyrDawn posted, I posted the wrong one.

[MyrDawn]

That tells me casey anthony used that lie way back in 2006 and just brought it forward to use with LE; complete with the Jeff Hopkins and Zanny babysitting his kids part..........all of which is untrue.

Yep. I think she made up Zanny around the time she stopped working at Universal to keep up her fairy tale about still working there.

Gotta run for now. See y'all later, folks! :seeya:

[commonguymd]

I was wondering why the dectectives didnt call her on that!!

I was wondering why they didn't start laughing. I probably would have.

[Lostgirl]

I was wondering why the dectectives didnt call her on that!!


Casey would probably just say she wasn't working there anymore but was visiting a co-worker and left her phone

she has a lie for every occasion even if they don't make sense and fall apart 10 minutes after telling them :rolleyes:

[ellegna]

I've never seen her, I think she was the person inside the home with casey anthony when she was bailed out the first time. I guess she could have been inside the vehicle used for transport of CA to the case manager and lawyer's office and we just didn't see her.

I don't see why she cannot just tell the OCSD what she heard and saw while inside that house. What could the legal exposure be?

Do you recall the night Casey was arrested the second time and the News cameras were focused on the front door? Cindy was standing behind Casey as the two female deputies took her away. There was a woman standing next to Cindy with what appeared to be a badge on her belt. Many here questioned who she was. Could this have been her?
:shrug:

[commonguymd]

Early morning trash and recycle day I see.

[shelbar53]

Early morning trash and recycle day I see.

your sig should say "hibicus tree my LEFT foot"

[n/t]

Early morning trash and recycle day I see.

Yup and I always thought it was in the evenings.

[Lostgirl]

What does a person "look" like in a still photo when they are alleged to be consuming alcohol? Regarding the scanty clothing, isn't that the norm down in the Florida area?
Of course one can always see that which they wish to see, if they look hard enough.

i think that goes both ways

some won't acknowledge the elephant even if he's in the same room and stepping on their toes :biggrin:

[~jomomma~]

I don't think anything happened to her. She's a sociopath, imo. What she showed others was a facade. Look at some of the sociopaths we know. Bundy, Scott P....etc.

Charming with murder on their mind.

i don't think so either!

she knew she was pregnant when she started seeing Jesse, didn't she?

she was having woman problems :roll eyes:

she put on that facade to impress Jesse's family for the moment.

also, i think that Mr. Grunde doesn't really want to believe that Casey was really capable of pulling off such a thing and them not seeing it.

it made me so sad to see them so caring towards Caylee!! then to have it all ripped out from underneath them.

they seem like great people!

[shelbar53]

What does a person "look" like in a still photo when they are alleged to be consuming alcohol? Regarding the scanty clothing, isn't that the norm down in the Florida area?
Of course one can always see that which they wish to see, if they look hard enough.

The girls in their underwear and bra, or the girls in underwear and flashing their boobs? i know young adults party but that is an extreme...im sure the girls parents are very disapointed, decent morals and values havent changed that much.

[commonguymd]

your sig should say "hibicus tree my LEFT foot"


How do you get a tagline?


Anyway, I think that was on Greta and that was my first reaction. It seemed contrived. Everything changed after the last 911 call. I think Lee wanted to stop Cindy from making that call, George was like who are you calling, and of course Casey was like "why do they want to talk to me?" None of that makes any sense if the house was in an uproar over Caylee. I think Cindy was the last one to know. I feel bad for her in a way.

[AMS]

If you sign on as a defense consultant it sure sounds like you would be paid. Hmmmmmmm. You can only divide book/movie rights so many ways ;)

IMO.

[ellegna]

I'm disgusted with Dr. K. I was so impressed with him when he first appeared on NG. He's now gone to be a consultant for Casey's defense. :cuss:

I was too. :(
Maybe Nancy will invite Dr Joshua Perper to replace him?

[SavannahStar]

I'm disgusted with Dr. K. I was so impressed with him when he first appeared on NG. He's now gone to be a consultant for Casey's defense. :cuss:

I hope NG gives him the boot.

You wouldn't want "both sides" to be discussed on the show?

[n/t]

i don't think so either!

she knew she was pregnant when she started seeing Jesse, didn't she?

she was having woman problems :roll eyes:

she put on that facade to impress Jesse's family for the moment.

also, i think that Mr. Grunde doesn't really want to believe that Casey was really capable of pulling off such a thing and them not seeing it.

it made me so sad to see them so caring towards Caylee!! then to have it all ripped out from underneath them.

they seem like great people!

I saw Jesse's dad the first time when he was interviewed and broke down. It was heartwrenching.

[KKKKKKatie]

What does a person "look" like in a still photo when they are alleged to be consuming alcohol? Regarding the scanty clothing, isn't that the norm down in the Florida area?
Of course one can always see that which they wish to see, if they look hard enough.

they have their head in a toilet...that is what it looks like

[n/t]

You wouldn't want "both sides" to be discussed on the show?

Not if he's getting paid by the defense.

[AMS]

Nancy Grace had a very good show last night. My favorite comment came from Marc Klaas describing casey anthony:

KLAAS: This Casey woman is an absolutely odious creature. You see -- it`s like concentric circles in a pond. She is leaving victim after victim after victim after victim. I see this wonderful man, Mr. Grund, almost come to tears on your program over something over which he had absolutely no control, and should not have been involved in ever.

Yep, I think Marc captured the magic that is casey anthony. We also learned that Kobilinsky has jumped to the dark side:

GRACE: Out to famed forensic scientist, Lawrence Kobilinsky at John J. College of Criminal Justice, who has now signed on to be a consultant to the Casey Anthony defense team.

I was very impressed with Richard Grund, one can understand why Jesse Grund is such an impressive young man. This family loved Caylee Anthony.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html


I think a good nickname for Casey would be "Odie"...short for odious creature. Has a nice ring to it, eh?

There was no doubt they loved Caylee very much. That little girl had many who cared for her.

[KKKKKKatie]

I saw Jesse's dad the first time when he was interviewed and broke down. It was heartwrenching.

morning n/t :seeya:

I have missed a lot. What is this about Dr. Phill??

[Lostgirl]

#5. I also had this feeling about Lee. Maybe Caylee name is cross between Casey & Lee.
Maybe this is why he refuses LDT? OMO

#7. I thought Casey went to Tony's house, not Jesse's house. What night is in reference here

#8. What was so interesting inside her car trunk that sooo many people had the key

From what Shelbar just posted on page one apparently when Tony left town he didnt invite Casey to stay at his place while he was gone so she showered at Jesses

[n/t]

they have their head in a toilet...that is what it looks like

What are you doing up so early? :)

What's the saying.....

A picture paints a thousand words......

[Regina.Lampert]

What does a person "look" like in a still photo when they are alleged to be consuming alcohol? Regarding the scanty clothing, isn't that the norm down in the Florida area?
Of course one can always see that which they wish to see, if they look hard enough.

This may be a good example (http://www.funnybeez.com/funnypictures/nick-nolte-mug-shot.jpg)

[Destini]

Why do we know nothing about this woman that was inside the house with Casey that was part of Padilla's team? Did she come from California with Padilla, or is she someone they hired who is from Orlando?
Why the cloak of secrecy about her? Did she know any of the Anthonys before this?

I just can't understand why she would be afraid of being implicated. Implicated in what way? Surely no one is suggesting she kidnapped or killed Caylee. That doesn't make sense to me. Unless she's from Orlando & knew this family beforehand.

[KKKKKKatie]

What are you doing up so early? :)

What's the saying.....

A picture paints a thousand words......


I know....suppose to be on vacation lol

Yep...that picture about said it all :)

[Regina.Lampert]

I think a good nickname for Casey would be "Odie"...short for odious creature. Has a nice ring to it, eh?

There was no doubt they loved Caylee very much. That little girl had many who cared for her.

LOL, good one. Only Odie is the name of the pooch who hangs around with Garfield. Odie creature sure works for me tho. Gotta love Marc Klaas.

[shelbar53]

How do you get a tagline?


Anyway, I think that was on Greta and that was my first reaction. It seemed contrived. Everything changed after the last 911 call. I think Lee wanted to stop Cindy from making that call, George was like who are you calling, and of course Casey was like "why do they want to talk to me?" None of that makes any sense if the house was in an uproar over Caylee. I think Cindy was the last one to know. I feel bad for her in a way.

I still think that when cindy picked casey up from tonys, she was mad about the car being towed..casey never told her she ran out of gas...so when cindy called 911 the 3rd time and said the car smelled like a dead body...she thought the kidnappers were the last to have the car since it was towed away...then when she realized casey was the last person known to be with the car she changed it to smelled like pizza.

[Lostgirl]

This may be a good example (http://www.funnybeez.com/funnypictures/nick-nolte-mug-shot.jpg)



:lol: funny!

[TxLady2]

:seeya:
Me too. I believe he keeps coming up with these new tales so NG will keep having him on her show. I don't believe a word he says any longer.
JMO

Some of what he says is observations when he was there, either from him or one of his crew. The rest is his theories. He is speculating, just like all of us. What's to believe or not to believe?
Personally, I like the guy, but I can understand why some don't. I have learned a few things through his observations that I probably would not have known otherwise.
NG likes him, I guess. As for that, I don't imagine he cares one way or the other. He is invited, so he is there.

[KKKKKKatie]

this may be a good example (http://www.funnybeez.com/funnypictures/nick-nolte-mug-shot.jpg)


lol.........

[commonguymd]

Why do we know nothing about this woman that was inside the house with Casey that was part of Padilla's team? Did she come from California with Padilla, or is she someone they hired who is from Orlando?
Why the cloak of secrecy about her? Did she know any of the Anthonys before this?

I just can't understand why she would be afraid of being implicated. Implicated in what way? Surely no one is suggesting she kidnapped or killed Caylee. That doesn't make sense to me. Unless she's from Orlando & knew this family beforehand.

I don't understand the whole "she can't talk to Padilla or law enforcement". It doesn't pass the smell test, unless this family has a extraordinary unique ability to exert control over people.

[n/t]

morning n/t :seeya:

I have missed a lot. What is this about Dr. Phill??

I missed it too Katie. Dr. Phil's show was about Caylee's case. I believe the grandparent's lawyer was on. Maybe someone else can give us a recap. All I know is that Dr. Phil mentioned PPD as being a cause of Casey's behaviour. We had a discussion about this early yesterday.

I stated my opinion that perhaps it was Post Partum left untreated and it may have escalated to psychosis. Some good debating about why it could not be the case after 3 years.

Who knows. I think if she was psychotic, they wouldn't have released her on bail.

IMO

[Regina.Lampert]

Do you recall the night Casey was arrested the second time and the News cameras were focused on the front door? Cindy was standing behind Casey as the two female deputies took her away. There was a woman standing next to Cindy with what appeared to be a badge on her belt. Many here questioned who she was. Could this have been her?
:shrug:

You have a good memory ellegna, bet you're right.

I feel very sorry for this woman, she probably should go see a priest and have all the remnants of the evil odious creature swept from her soul. Any exposure to casey anthony is detrimental, imo.

[KKKKKKatie]

I missed it too Katie. Dr. Phil's show was about Caylee's case. I believe the grandparent's lawyer was on. Maybe someone else can give us a recap. All I know is that Dr. Phil mentioned PPD as being a cause of Casey's behaviour. We had a discussion about this early yesterday.

I stated my opinion that perhaps it was Post Partum left untreated and it may have escalated to psychosis. Some good debating about why it could not be the case after 3 years.

Who knows. I think if she was psychotic, they wouldn't have released her on bail.

IMO

thanks friend! I will go back and read

[Kathlb]

I keep changing my theory as more info comes out. :-) I guess that means I am flexible. LOL Anyway, after hearing the hands around the throat story (if it's true) I feel that Cindy finally lost it with Casey when she stole from the GGr's and they had a fight that was unlike anything before. Casey was used to Cindy covering for her. I think when it was over, she took Caylee and left in a hurry that night. (the 15th) And was so infuriated that she made sure Cindy would never see Caylee again. She was trying to move in with someone from then on so she wouldn't have to go back. I think she was also planning on running to CA and living near Mark Hawkins. Cindy thwarted those efforts by finding her and calling 911. That "one more day" Casey wanted would have found her going off into "hiding". She had been able to mirror others and keep moving through life in a fashion that didn't let anyone know how deeply messed up her mind was. But when she was arrested and taken out of her "comfort zone" and familiarity with her surroundings as well as having someone cover for her, then her true sociopathic nature started showing to all. The cold, unfeeling, cruel person that she is inside. Just my rambling thoughts until more info comes out and I change my mind again. ;-) JMHO

[Regina.Lampert]

Geragos:lol: if he comes, then the circus will be complete

I am holding my breath, cuz he's already on record as saying that some courts hold that "hair" evidence is junk science.

[ellegna]

Why do we know nothing about this woman that was inside the house with Casey that was part of Padilla's team? Did she come from California with Padilla, or is she someone they hired who is from Orlando?
Why the cloak of secrecy about her? Did she know any of the Anthonys before this?

I just can't understand why she would be afraid of being implicated. Implicated in what way? Surely no one is suggesting she kidnapped or killed Caylee. That doesn't make sense to me. Unless she's from Orlando & knew this family beforehand.

Implicated doesn't make sense.
I thought she flew in from Calif too but then again....she may have been hired from a local bail bond agency.
Robert Dick did say they were not allowed to ask Casey questions about Caylee, only to listen to her ramble. Maybe this woman broke the rules and asked Casey questions and she may be in serious trouble for that? Defense would jump on it as being coerced :shrug:

[warrkat]

I think a good nickname for Casey would be "Odie"...short for odious creature. Has a nice ring to it, eh?

There was no doubt they loved Caylee very much. That little girl had many who cared for her.


No, No, No! Odie is a sweet little dog.... don't name Casey the same thing, please!:no: :)

Thanks, everybody, for the great updates. The only thing I've able to watch the last couple of days was Mr. Grund on NG last night, and Mark Klass. Good men, both of them. jmo

[commonguymd]

I keep changing my theory as more info comes out. :-) I guess that means I am flexible. LOL Anyway, after hearing the hands around the throat story (if it's true) I feel that Cindy finally lost it with Casey when she stole from the GGr's and they had a fight that was unlike anything before. Casey was used to Cindy covering for her. I think when it was over, she took Caylee and left in a hurry that night. (the 15th) And was so infuriated that she made sure Cindy would never see Caylee again. She was trying to move in with someone from then on so she wouldn't have to go back. I think she was also planning on running to CA and living near Mark Hawkins. Cindy thwarted those efforts by finding her and calling 911. That "one more day" Casey wanted would have found her going off into "hiding". She had been able to mirror others and keep moving through life in a fashion that didn't let anyone know how deeply messed up her mind was. But when she was arrested and taken out of her "comfort zone" and familiarity with her surroundings as well as having someone cover for her, then her true sociopathic nature started showing to all. The cold, unfeeling, cruel person that she is inside. Just my rambling thoughts until more info comes out and I change my mind again. ;-) JMHO

Logical to me.

[GrannyB]

How do you get a tagline?


Anyway, I think that was on Greta and that was my first reaction. It seemed contrived. Everything changed after the last 911 call. I think Lee wanted to stop Cindy from making that call, George was like who are you calling, and of course Casey was like "why do they want to talk to me?" None of that makes any sense if the house was in an uproar over Caylee. I think Cindy was the last one to know. I feel bad for her in a way.

I think Casey was the last one to know. Cindy controls that house.

[n/t]

I keep changing my theory as more info comes out. :-) I guess that means I am flexible. LOL Anyway, after hearing the hands around the throat story (if it's true) I feel that Cindy finally lost it with Casey when she stole from the GGr's and they had a fight that was unlike anything before. Casey was used to Cindy covering for her. I think when it was over, she took Caylee and left in a hurry that night. (the 15th) And was so infuriated that she made sure Cindy would never see Caylee again. She was trying to move in with someone from then on so she wouldn't have to go back. I think she was also planning on running to CA and living near Mark Hawkins. Cindy thwarted those efforts by finding her and calling 911. That "one more day" Casey wanted would have found her going off into "hiding". She had been able to mirror others and keep moving through life in a fashion that didn't let anyone know how deeply messed up her mind was. But when she was arrested and taken out of her "comfort zone" and familiarity with her surroundings as well as having someone cover for her, then her true sociopathic nature started showing to all. The cold, unfeeling, cruel person that she is inside. Just my rambling thoughts until more info comes out and I change my mind again. ;-) JMHO


Very possible. I also think something happened on the night of the 15th.

[Lostgirl]

Geragos:lol: if he comes, then the circus will be complete

don't forget his big blond jury guru... no party would be complete without that sasquatch :rolleyes:

[bluwaters]

Please light a Candle for Caylee

click any unlit candle to begin

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

[Destini]

I don't understand the whole "she can't talk to Padilla or law enforcement". It doesn't pass the smell test, unless this family has a extraordinary unique ability to exert control over people.

I am very interested in what this woman knows that she feels she has to get a lawyer. Surely she knew when she agreed to guard Casey that she might learn something valuable and by being there was inserting herself into this case. I find it very hard to believe she feels the Anthonys are controlling her in some way.

The whole point of this bounty hunter group bailing Casey out, supposedly, was to get her to talk & find Caylee. If she knows something that can help with that, why is she not telling it FGS!! If she was not in that area & knew nothing of these people around the time Caylee went missing, how can she possibly be implicated??

[Ladyhawk]

According to Padilla per the post above, she's afraid Baez will pin it on her?? The only way I can see that happening is if Casey told her the truth and showed her where she buried Caylee or she played some sort of "good guy" game with Casey and Casey revealed too much info that may implicate this woman?:shrug:


Maybe she doesn't want to be the only person at this time to have whatever knowledge she has. If she comes forth with really incriminating information against anyone in the family, and if that information cannot be independently verified, she would be the lone ranger and the defense could somehow twist it enough to discredit her. I just don't see, at this point, what kind of information she would have that could lead anyone to even logically imply that she is involved as an accessory. jmo

[AMS]

No, No, No! Odie is a sweet little dog.... don't name Casey the same thing, please!:no: :)

Thanks, everybody, for the great updates. The only thing I've able to watch the last couple of days was Mr. Grund on NG last night, and Mark Klass. Good men, both of them. jmo

Yikes I forgot about Odie the dog. I retract using Odie as a nickname for Casey.

I have to say the Little Bitty can type updates faster than anyone I know. She is a whiz at getting the info out. :)

[shelbar53]

Very possible. I also think something happened on the night of the 15th.

Yes I agree, whatever happened..it happend on the nite of june 15...casey and caylee did not stay at cindys...so the next morning when cindy said she heard them breathing was a lie and when george said he saw them leave...lie. i think george and cindy also know that june 15th was "the day"... so the cover up begins there

[KKKKKKatie]

I am very interested in what this woman knows that she feels she has to get a lawyer. Surely she knew when she agreed to guard Casey that she might learn something valuable and by being there was inserting herself into this case. I find it very hard to believe she feels the Anthonys are controlling her in some way.

The whole point of this bounty hunter group bailing Casey out, supposedly, was to get her to talk & find Caylee. If she knows something that can help with that, why is she not telling it FGS!! If she was not in that area & knew nothing of these people around the time Caylee went missing, how can she possibly be implicated??

None of what we are being told about her makes any sense to me either Destini. I sure would like to know if she is local or if she was part of the BH's California team??

[shelbar53]

None of what we are being told about her makes any sense to me either Destini. I sure would like to know if she is local or if she was part of the BH's California team??

must be part of the BH team...isnt she back in calif?

[KKKKKKatie]

must be part of the BH team...isnt she back in calif?

Is that where she is? I'm sorry...I am on vacation and have missed alot.

[Lostgirl]

Yes I agree, whatever happened..it happend on the nite of june 15...casey and caylee did not stay at cindys...so the next morning when cindy said she heard them breathing was a lie and when george said he saw them leave...lie. i think george and cindy also know that june 15th was "the day"... so the cover up begins there

Do we know why Cindy grabbed casey by the throat on the evening of the 15th?

[Kathlb]

I am very interested in what this woman knows that she feels she has to get a lawyer. Surely she knew when she agreed to guard Casey that she might learn something valuable and by being there was inserting herself into this case. I find it very hard to believe she feels the Anthonys are controlling her in some way.

The whole point of this bounty hunter group bailing Casey out, supposedly, was to get her to talk & find Caylee. If she knows something that can help with that, why is she not telling it FGS!! If she was not in that area & knew nothing of these people around the time Caylee went missing, how can she possibly be implicated??


I think the first explanation could be the truth...that she hadn't told LE what she heard when she was there, so her lawyer was afraid of Obstruction charges so she needed confirmation that she wouldn't be charged for that before she spoke to the FBI in CA. All they would have to do is to get assurances from the LE that no charges would be filed if she talked and then she could relate to the FBI what she heard. I think she probably did. All this info afterward is just spin and guessing because it doesn't make any sense. MOO

[Kathlb]

Do we know why Cindy grabbed casey by the throat on the evening of the 15th?

Supposedly because Cindy found out that Casey had stolen from the GGr's that day when she took Caylee to visit them on Father's Day. MOO

[Lostgirl]

Supposedly because Cindy found out that Casey had stolen from the GGr's that day when she took Caylee to visit them on Father's Day. MOO

omg, yep that would do it :eek:

[?noanswer]

Implicated doesn't make sense.
I thought she flew in from Calif too but then again....she may have been hired from a local bail bond agency.
Robert Dick did say they were not allowed to ask Casey questions about Caylee, only to listen to her ramble. Maybe this woman broke the rules and asked Casey questions and she may be in serious trouble for that? Defense would jump on it as being coerced :shrug:

I also think she came with them from CA. She probably heard a lot of things while she was "incarcerated" with the Anthony family. I don't think they would be able to keep their mouth shut.

Re: Koblisky going with the defense team. Hopefully the prosecution can use some of his earlier interviews with NG to impeach his testimony!

JMO

[Pebbles]

Morning Miss Reggie!

I enjoyed the interview with Jesse's Dad. It sounds like they had an entirely different perspective of Casey and that something must have snapped in her sometime.


From listening to Mr. Grund speak, Casey wasn't concerned about anyone but herself even back then. She lied to suit her purposes, wanting to convince Jesse he was the father of Caylee, then acting like she really cared about Jesse while she was seeing someone else.


It also seems as though little Caylee was in the way even then since it seems as though the Grunds watched Caylee a lot. Was Casey always at work when they had Caylee. Just because Casey said she was at work, it would be interesting if someone checked on that. What Casey says it not often fact. Also, why wouldn't Casey let Cindy watch Caylee, why did she bring her to the Grunds?


I don't feel as though something snapped, the more I hear and find out about Casey it is becoming more evident that she only cared about herself. That has not changed because Casey is still putting herself first by not telling anyone what happened to or where Caylee can be found. How sad for Caylee, she certainly didn't and doesn't deserve this.

[klock777]

Can someone fill me in quick - heard Cindy has tried to blame Jesse - something about him killing Caylee and putting her in the trunk of the car??? What I all this about and where can I read to catch up?

[KKKKKKatie]

I also think she came with them from CA. She probably heard a lot of things while she was "incarcerated" with the Anthony family. I don't think they would be able to keep their mouth shut.

Re: Koblisky going with the defense team. Hopefully the prosecution can use some of his earlier interviews with NG to impeach his testimony!

JMO

He sure started being careful with his words after he told NG he had been contacted by Baez :rolleyes:

[msgatorslayer]

Do we know why Cindy grabbed casey by the throat on the evening of the 15th?

G'morning, all.

I watched NG lastnight but missed this part. :eek: I must have stepped away from the TV when this was revealed. Did BH say this? How would he know? Someone in the Anthony clan must have admitted and told him about the big fight. WoW!!! If it was Casey who told him, should we believe it?

[Lostgirl]

From listening to Mr. Grund speak, Casey wasn't concerned about anyone but herself even back then. She lied to suit her purposes, wanting to convince Jesse he was the father of Caylee, then acting like she really cared about Jesse while she was seeing someone else.


It also seems as though little Caylee was in the way even then since it seems as though the Grunds watched Caylee a lot. Was Casey always at work when they had Caylee. Just because Casey said she was at work, it would be interesting if someone checked on that. What Casey says it not often fact. Also, why wouldn't Casey let Cindy watch Caylee, why did she bring her to the Grunds?


I don't feel as though something snapped, the more I hear and find out about Casey it is becoming more evident that she only cared about herself. That has not changed because Casey is still putting herself first by not telling anyone what happened to or where Caylee can be found. How sad for Caylee, she certainly didn't and doesn't deserve this.

it was days and doesnt Cindy work days?

[sickntired]

Casey and her behavior:

I work with a woman who has an 19 year old daughter. Up until the daughter was in 12th grade, she was an honor student, many friends and was involved in a lot of activities including church functions. About half way through 12th grade, the girl withdrew from her family/friends, started cussing out her parents and staying out for days. Her first semester of college, straight F's. The mother knew there was drinking involved and pot. But other than this, she doesn't know what happened to her daughter....her friends don't understand it either.

What makes someone change so drastically....besides the obvious, drugs?

[marshmallow]

Day 99. that's very sobering isn't it.?
Last night we were emptying this huge water bottle full of changes we've always had in the living room. We sorted the pennies into piles of 100. One of the boys said something to the effect of each penny is one day that little girl has been missing. Let me tell you, 100 is a lot of pennies. Tomorrow is day 100.
All I keep thinking is that for 98 nights that little girl hasn't said good night to her family or gotten her bath or put on her pjs and kissed Grandma and Grandpa and the doggies goodnight. Very sobering.

Whenever we start bickering here I suggest each of us make a pile of pennies and spread them out on the floor. That's a lot of pennies (and too many days a child's been missing from her home)





has any thing new happened? other than Padilla, who I don't fully accept as a source of real knowledge.
Thank you Blu for reminding us to light our candles.

[Lostgirl]

G'morning, all.

I watched NG lastnight but missed this part. :eek: I must have stepped away from the TV when this was revealed. Did BH say this? How would he know? Someone in the Anthony clan must have admitted and told him about the big fight. WoW!!! If it was Casey who told him, should we believe it?


I'm not sure how BH knew.. i thought he said Cindy told him but I could be wrong about that... I've watched so many videos the last few days I'm kinda losing track of who said what

[Armchairdet]

Good morning, a quick scroll has proved how behind I am.

Hibiscus tree reference..hands around a throat..what do I need to go watch to get all caught up.

TIA

Oh, and by the way I read a thread about Cindy maybe being the last to know (in the posters opinion) and it kind of gave me chills.

[desmom]

That tells me casey anthony used that lie way back in 2006 and just brought it forward to use with LE; complete with the Jeff Hopkins and Zanny babysitting his kids part..........all of which is untrue.

Mr Grund said, http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html , "I never saw her or spoke to her, but I did hear of her. I heard of her in April of `06, when Casey lost her regular baby-sitter. As I said, Jesse would watch her. I would watch her. She tried to get my high-school-age son to watch her, which meant I watched her because I have an office in my home.

Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named..."

IMO, because he "kind of greeted her at the door" this was not the first time Mr. Grund had this conversation with Casey.

The nanny Zanny may have been something as simple as she remembered Zanny from the book Double Troubled Squared. Mr. Grund bought the story, so she stuck with Zanny.

I would be real curious what came first - the conversation with Mr. Grund or Casey being fired from her job. IMO, she had already lost her job when Mr. Grund confronted her and may have been job hunting or enjoying the day for herself.

How did Zanny grow to become Zaniada? On page 301 of the 400 page documents, LE reports they interviewed Mr. Crisp. He attended h.s. with Casey and received a phone call from her on June 19 re: leasing one of his apt for her boyfriend. Could she have stopped in the Sawgrass apt on June 17 seeking information about their apts for Tony and saw ZG's guest card on the desk? IMO, yes.

[crymeariver2006]

From listening to Mr. Grund speak, Casey wasn't concerned about anyone but herself even back then. She lied to suit her purposes, wanting to convince Jesse he was the father of Caylee, then acting like she really cared about Jesse while she was seeing someone else.


It also seems as though little Caylee was in the way even then since it seems as though the Grunds watched Caylee a lot. Was Casey always at work when they had Caylee. Just because Casey said she was at work, it would be interesting if someone checked on that. What Casey says it not often fact. Also, why wouldn't Casey let Cindy watch Caylee, why did she bring her to the Grunds?


I don't feel as though something snapped, the more I hear and find out about Casey it is becoming more evident that she only cared about herself. That has not changed because Casey is still putting herself first by not telling anyone what happened to or where Caylee can be found. How sad for Caylee, she certainly didn't and doesn't deserve this.

ITA. Mr. Grund wouldn't be the first person to not recognize a (possible) killer lurking underneath nice hair and a congenial demeanor.

Ask Ann Rule about that.

He remembers the Casey he remembers. Period.

[Pebbles]

Oh yes, I agree she thought they believed her about the kidnapping, but she did know they knew the truth about her no longer working at Universal, because she'd admitted that to them, yet she kept lying about it...like telling them she'd left her other phone on the desk in her office there. That was after she'd told them she didn't work there any longer. It made no sense!
JMO



I guess Casey believes her lies!

[Kathlb]

Have you noticed that since everyone has been questioning why Baez and Casey are spending so much time together at his office every day that they have cut those visits to very few? :) MOO

[Pebbles]

That tells me casey anthony used that lie way back in 2006 and just brought it forward to use with LE; complete with the Jeff Hopkins and Zanny babysitting his kids part..........all of which is untrue.


But when I heard this, I became confused. How did it happen that a Zeneida (Zanny) just happened to be looking at an apartment in Sawgrass about the same time Caylee went missing and that name fit with "Zanny". It just raises more questions in my mind.

[msgatorslayer]

From listening to Mr. Grund speak, Casey wasn't concerned about anyone but herself even back then. She lied to suit her purposes, wanting to convince Jesse he was the father of Caylee, then acting like she really cared about Jesse while she was seeing someone else.


It also seems as though little Caylee was in the way even then since it seems as though the Grunds watched Caylee a lot. Was Casey always at work when they had Caylee. Just because Casey said she was at work, it would be interesting if someone checked on that. What Casey says it not often fact. Also, why wouldn't Casey let Cindy watch Caylee, why did she bring her to the Grunds?


I don't feel as though something snapped, the more I hear and find out about Casey it is becoming more evident that she only cared about herself. That has not changed because Casey is still putting herself first by not telling anyone what happened to or where Caylee can be found. How sad for Caylee, she certainly didn't and doesn't deserve this.

I was wondering the same thing about the babysitting, Pebbles. Cindy would have been at work so she couldn't. What about George, though? He wasn't working, to our knowledge.

Then again, Casey was lucky to have the Grund's who were so caring to her and Caylee even after finding out Jesse wasn't the Dad. Maybe by having them babysit, she used Caylee to keep that bond going with them.

[?noanswer]

From listening to Mr. Grund speak, Casey wasn't concerned about anyone but herself even back then. She lied to suit her purposes, wanting to convince Jesse he was the father of Caylee, then acting like she really cared about Jesse while she was seeing someone else.


It also seems as though little Caylee was in the way even then since it seems as though the Grunds watched Caylee a lot. Was Casey always at work when they had Caylee. Just because Casey said she was at work, it would be interesting if someone checked on that. What Casey says it not often fact. Also, why wouldn't Casey let Cindy watch Caylee, why did she bring her to the Grunds?


I don't feel as though something snapped, the more I hear and find out about Casey it is becoming more evident that she only cared about herself. That has not changed because Casey is still putting herself first by not telling anyone what happened to or where Caylee can be found. How sad for Caylee, she certainly didn't and doesn't deserve this.

I have seen the amount of two of her quarterly earnings posted somewhere. IIRC they were about1500/1600 per quarter (3mos.) If she was earning miminum wages and working 40 hrs per week, it should have been more than that. IIRC, she was also trying to get Jessie to rent a place for them to stay. I think she was using the Grunds as babysitters and to have a place to hang out away from Cindy. JMO

[shelbar53]

Have you noticed that since everyone has been questioning why Baez and Casey are spending so much time together at his office every day that they have cut those visits to very few? :) MOO

No I havent noticed. how often does she go now and for how long....maybe once he got to know her he is just sick of her

[Lostgirl]

Day 99. that's very sobering isn't it.?
Last night we were emptying this huge water bottle full of changes we've always had in the living room. We sorted the pennies into piles of 100. One of the boys said something to the effect of each penny is one day that little girl has been missing. Let me tell you, 100 is a lot of pennies. Tomorrow is day 100.
All I keep thinking is that for 98 nights that little girl hasn't said good night to her family or gotten her bath or put on her pjs and kissed Grandma and Grandpa and the doggies goodnight. Very sobering.

Whenever we start bickering here I suggest each of us make a pile of pennies and spread them out on the floor. That's a lot of pennies (and too many days a child's been missing from her home)

has any thing new happened? other than Padilla, who I don't fully accept as a source of real knowledge.
Thank you Blu for reminding us to light our candles.


you're so right... excellent analogy and very heart wrenching... sure puts things in perspective

it makes me sick to think of caylee laying somewhere like garbage not properly buried, no little casket and pillow for her head... just tossed aside like trash :(

[jammies]

Good morning, a quick scroll has proved how behind I am.

Hibiscus tree reference..hands around a throat..what do I need to go watch to get all caught up.

TIA

Oh, and by the way I read a thread about Cindy maybe being the last to know (in the posters opinion) and it kind of gave me chills.


I'm behind too, Arm.

btw, I always thought Cindy was the last to know also. I don't think GA knew what to do with her when she was running around like a crazy woman. Yet, because she didn't "know", it was safe for her to yak yak yak.
At some point, she shut up which is when I believe she was clued in.

Cindy switched her stories umpteen times but GA went out of his way to MAKE UP stories.....with too much detail.


I still have questions about the gas can story. Other than GA putting Casey at the house with no smell in the car....something else was up with that "story". It nags at me but can't put my finger on it.
Maybe instead of covering for Casey he was covering for HIMSELF??
:shrug:

[marshmallow]

I'm sure this has been covered but I didn't see it so I'm asking.

How is Zenieda pronounced? is it even a logical (or rhyming) jump from Zenieda to Zanny, pronounciation-wise or did she come across Zenieda's apt. app and a light bulb went off?

[Armchairdet]

I'm behind too, Arm.

btw, I always thought Cindy was the last to know also. I don't think GA knew what to do with her when she was running around like a crazy woman. Yet, because she didn't "know", it was safe for her to yak yak yak.
At some point, she shut up which is when I believe she was clued in.

Cindy switched her stories umpteen times but GA went out of his way to MAKE UP stories.....with too much detail.


I still have questions about the gas can story. Other than GA putting Casey at the house with no smell in the car....something else was up with that "story". It nags at me but can't put my finger on it.
Maybe instead of covering for Casey he was covering for HIMSELF??
:shrug:


Yeah that gas can story was so odd. But you know what I just figured out when I read your post? You are right on about Cindy switching the stories vs. making them up. Switched into all kinds of scenerios too.

You know who else switches scenerios about the case all the time? Me. You know why? Because I don't know what happened and I am trying to make sense of something. That is what Cindy is trying to do, imo. So yes, I now firmly believe Cindy was left out of the loop by George, Lee, and Casey.

[commonguymd]

Have you noticed that since everyone has been questioning why Baez and Casey are spending so much time together at his office every day that they have cut those visits to very few? :) MOO

I think Baez got mad at Casey and he tried to exhibit his dominance over her. She rewarded him by denying him the pleasure of her company all day every day. He ran over to the house to find out why she wasn't seeing him and she is cutting down his access to her. This was all because "the resident" made the 911 calls from the house one evening.

[crymeariver2006]

But when I heard this, I became confused. How did it happen that a Zeneida (Zanny) just happened to be looking at an apartment in Sawgrass about the same time Caylee went missing and that name fit with "Zanny". It just raises more questions in my mind.


Unless, "Zan" or "Zanny" is a nickname for Alexandra (who may have worked at Universal, or Alexander......Hey, isn't that Lee's middle name?

:eek:

Now I've lost my train of thought!

[msgatorslayer]

I'm not sure how BH knew.. i thought he said Cindy told him but I could be wrong about that... I've watched so many videos the last few days I'm kinda losing track of who said what

I hear ya! I get confused too, lol.

I'm shocked that someone in the family is admitting to the big blow out, behind closed doors. They want US to believe that it didn't happen. Snatching Casey up by her neck is severe. Did Caylee witness this? I've been leaning towards Casey and Caylee taking off after the fight. While Casey was mad and steaming, lil Caylee was confused, crying, maybe missing Cindy, or said something that set Casey off, and she snapped. Shaking and hitting Caylee and killing her in a rage.

[Lostgirl]

Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named..."[/I].

If she only found zanny when Mr Grund asked her .... that kinda ruins her statement that she knew her for 4 years

I guess she didnt think of that little problem as she spun her lies

[KKKKKKatie]

If she only found zanny when Mr Grund asked her .... that kinda ruins her statement that she knew her for 4 years

I guess she didnt think of that little problem as she spun her lies

yep....blows it right out of the water!

[Pebbles]

it was days and doesnt Cindy work days?

Sorry! But still interested in knowing if Casey was actually working everytime she had Jesse's family babysit. Was that another lie she told Jesse and his family.

[anyonesguess]

Do we know why Cindy grabbed casey by the throat on the evening of the 15th?


Oh my when did that happen?

[shelbar53]

If she only found zanny when Mr Grund asked her .... that kinda ruins her statement that she knew her for 4 years

I guess she didnt think of that little problem as she spun her lies

yes good point

[Armchairdet]

If she only found zanny when Mr Grund asked her .... that kinda ruins her statement that she knew her for 4 years

I guess she didnt think of that little problem as she spun her lies

There are so many contradictions I never thought about that one. I have known her 4 years/coworker introduced us.

[Destini]

I think the first explanation could be the truth...that she hadn't told LE what she heard when she was there, so her lawyer was afraid of Obstruction charges so she needed confirmation that she wouldn't be charged for that before she spoke to the FBI in CA. All they would have to do is to get assurances from the LE that no charges would be filed if she talked and then she could relate to the FBI what she heard. I think she probably did. All this info afterward is just spin and guessing because it doesn't make any sense. MOO

I don't know, I just don't see how she could face obstruction charges unless she was under some obligation by LE to reveal what she knew right then, before she left Orlando, or unless she did give a statement before leaving that is inconsistent with what she's now claiming to know.

You would think if LE was that interested in what these bounty people knew they would have debriefed them all before they left the area. Perhaps they did, but it doesn't seem that way or they wouldn't have flown to California to get statements. IMO of course.

I really think this whole bail bondsman providing security for the POI is so unusual, there probably are no real rules or law regarding such, and these people left the area before anyone could determine proper procedure. Does that make sense? Sorry if I'm ranting, but it disturbs me.

Bottom line, where's Caylee? If somebody knows something, they need to spit it out. That's the most important thing.

[Pebbles]

A few days ago I questioned her work schedule too. I wondered if she had a night job & the Grunds thought she was working all night while she was out partying.


That is my thoughts also. I do not know if the Mr. Grund stated they watched Caylee at night or during the day, but just the same I still question the fact about Casey being at work, since Casey does have a problem telling the truth. :shrug:

[kitty1182]

Good morning..I've been gone all week-end and Monday..Have lots of catching up to do..:seeya:

[Nellie]

I've never seen her, I think she was the person inside the home with casey anthony when she was bailed out the first time. I guess she could have been inside the vehicle used for transport of CA to the case manager and lawyer's office and we just didn't see her.

I don't see why she cannot just tell the OCSD what she heard and saw while inside that house. What could the legal exposure be?

With a missing child, I'd be telling ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING I heard. So I'm not impressed with ANYONE who would withhold information.
Why are people so danged secretive in this case if they truly have information that could help the case? :shrug: I think this female having info is garbage!

[crymeariver2006]

Good morning..I've been gone all week-end and Monday..Have lots of catching up to do..:seeya:

Casey hasn't run...(yet). I've been keeping an eye out for ya!

:seeya:

[Lostgirl]

I've been wondering about the pizza rotting in the car

Could it be possible that Casey parked that car somewhere and locked Caylee in it and used the car as a babysitter?
Maybe got a pizza and left it so caylee would have something to eat?

and a little girl isn't going to eat a whole pizza..if the car was in the hot sun, locked, windows up so caylee can't get out... she could easily have died from heat.

Maybe Casey comes back and finds her dead, throws her in the trunk while she decides what to do?

:shrug:

[Destini]

Casey and her behavior:

I work with a woman who has an 19 year old daughter. Up until the daughter was in 12th grade, she was an honor student, many friends and was involved in a lot of activities including church functions. About half way through 12th grade, the girl withdrew from her family/friends, started cussing out her parents and staying out for days. Her first semester of college, straight F's. The mother knew there was drinking involved and pot. But other than this, she doesn't know what happened to her daughter....her friends don't understand it either.

What makes someone change so drastically....besides the obvious, drugs?

Just had to address this, S&T, from personal experience. Sometimes too much pressure to be perfect, either from family or from themselves, can send them over the slippery slope. Not saying this happened in this woman's case or with Casey either, I don't know, but I know this is possible.

[FrankieBones1]

Good morning everyone. Please continue here when you are ready.Hi, Scampi! Out of the loop here and trying to get caught up. Thanks for the Tuesday morning thread.
Justice for Caylee :rose:

[desmom]

Implicated doesn't make sense.
I thought she flew in from Calif too but then again....she may have been hired from a local bail bond agency.
Robert Dick did say they were not allowed to ask Casey questions about Caylee, only to listen to her ramble. Maybe this woman broke the rules and asked Casey questions and she may be in serious trouble for that? Defense would jump on it as being coerced :shrug:

I think she came from CA also.

I can't imagine 2 people spending 9 days together and not talking. Their conversations may have been about their jobs, life experiences etc. What if Casey mentioned a party or event from the June 15 - July 15 time period? Would it be relevant to the investigation?

With all the lies in this case, maybe her lawyer wants to make sure his client does not become another victim of Casey.

jmo

[shelbar53]

With a missing child, I'd be telling ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING I heard. So I'm not impressed with ANYONE who would withhold information.
Why are people so danged secretive in this case if they truly have information that could help the case? :shrug: I think this female having info is garbage!
I agree. it would make me mad every time cindy or geroge said we have some tips but LE told us not to talk...OMG..i would be telling everyone heres the tips...name and number of person telling me, here are my daughters friends name and phone number, i would post all the info here on in session...i want everybody looking. so what if LE gets mad...I WANT MY GD FOUND AND FOUND NOW

[Lostgirl]

Oh my when did that happen?

on the 15th... fathers day evening

[jbellaj]

The links aren't working for me. Sorry if this has been address but can anyone tell me about Baez filing for a new hearing? TIA

[FrankieBones1]

Here's the caseycam link:


http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

Trash bags out on sidewalk.
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

If I feared folks going through my trash, I'd take it to the dump.

[Armchairdet]

Trash bags out on sidewalk.
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

If I feared folks going through my trash, I'd take it to the dump.


No kidding. I would guess they are using a paper shredder now.

[shelbar53]

my hubby has this bad habit of wanting to eat dinner everynite, so im off to the grocery store. sometimes i feel like i want to give my phone number to call me in case somethng happens and when they go out, i will "man" the boards and call them if something breaks. Im way to involved in this case. see all later.

[jbellaj]

No kidding. I would guess they are using a paper shredder now.

If they are I wonder how it was paid for?

[linspar]

Unless, "Zan" or "Zanny" is a nickname for Alexandra (who may have worked at Universal, or Alexander......Hey, isn't that Lee's middle name?

:eek:

Now I've lost my train of thought!



DH and I were discussing this last night. Seems unlikely that a mother of latino descent would name one daughter Zaneida and the other Samantha.

:shrug:
JMO

[Armchairdet]

If they are I wonder how it was paid for?

I would make Casey do it by hand.

[shelbar53]

The links aren't working for me. Sorry if this has been address but can anyone tell me about Baez filing for a new hearing? TIA

I think its just a refilling the "stop testing the evidence". the same one he botched up before.

[anyonesguess]

on the 15th... fathers day evening

GM Lost Girl. I realize that is when it happened, but when was this reported that Cindy choked Casey?

[Ladyhawk]

on the 15th... fathers day evening

Isn't this the evening Cindy says she and Caylee go for a swim? Was this to calm herself down and cool off? I wish we knew what time this throat grab took place.

[jbellaj]

I think its just a refilling the "stop testing the evidence". the same one he botched up before.


Thank you, seems to me that he isn't as good as he makes himself out to be. JMO

[Armchairdet]

DH and I were discussing this last night. Seems unlikely that a mother of latino descent would name one daughter Zaneida and the other Samantha.

:shrug:
JMO


Except that I read Zenaida's dad was black. Perhaps if he is also the father of Samantha the parents each picked out a name. But wait...maybe it was her mom that was black. Neither last name sounds African American to me. I did hear that one of ZG's parent was African American..right??

[jbellaj]

I would make Casey do it by hand.

She would have to find someone to steal from in order to pay for it.:D

[desmom]

You would think if LE was that interested in what these bounty people knew they would have debriefed them all before they left the area. Perhaps they did, but it doesn't seem that way or they wouldn't have flown to California to get statements. IMO of course.

--snipped--

IIRC, the bond was revoked on Saturday and LP and crew were back in CA by Monday. Maybe LE thought they would stick around longer. jmo

[Armchairdet]

She would have to find someone to steal from in order to pay for it.:D

No, I would have her physically shred each document one by one with her little fingers. :D

[joint-heir]

The choking incident was on scared monkeys radio show last night. from Padilla. Said Cindy told him this.
For what it's worth Dr Phil said that this "antisocial personality" usually shows itself around 16 to 18 years of age....

[jbellaj]

Except that I read Zenaida's dad was black. Perhaps if he is also the father of Samantha the parents each picked out a name. But wait...maybe it was her mom that was black. Neither last name sounds African American to me. I did hear that one of ZG's parent was African American..right??

According to Casey and we all know how how she makes up things as she goes along. I believe she referred to her as being mixed. JMO

[trich]

That tells me casey anthony used that lie way back in 2006 and just brought it forward to use with LE; complete with the Jeff Hopkins and Zanny babysitting his kids part..........all of which is untrue.

I said it before and I will say it again.
I don't for a minute think Casey has changed....I think she snowed everyone big time.
She has been a liar probably all her life....living in her own world.
Many of those she hung around her said she lied to them.
Why all of a sudden are people thinking she just snapped or something.
I thnk some have not come to terms with the fact that she had them all believing she was something she really was and is not.
Most people that find out they had befriended a criminal can not believe they thought that person was a good guy.
Some are very good at disguising their true natures and I am convinced that is what Casey has done all her life ...until...now when she has been caught in her so many lies.
And hopefully they will be able to prove her biggest lie of all and bring
Caylee home to have a proper burial.

[Snoopy50]

Isn't this the evening Cindy says she and Caylee go for a swim? Was this to calm herself down and cool off? I wish we knew what time this throat grab took place.

GM everyone!
I am QUITE confused......where did this throat grabbing news come from? IF it is true, it will explain a few things...to me anyway.:seeya:

[Lostgirl]

GM Lost Girl. I realize that is when it happened, but when was this reported that Cindy choked Casey?

sorry.. my bad :)

I'm not a 100% sure when Padilla said it... maybe when the cops went to CA to question him?

[jbellaj]

No, I would have her physically shred each document one by one with her little fingers. :D

Awe the poor baby would have to actually work :D

[FrankieBones1]

I had to laugh at Padilla's list of who's the daddy. He's guessing just like the rest of us. :rolleyes:

I guess I'm not impressed by Padilla as maybe some are. I don't think he knows anymore than we do. He got his 15 minutes, now I wish he would go away.

I am not impressed with his sleuthing. Most of us on this board make for better sleuthers.

[Regina.Lampert]

Do we know why Cindy grabbed casey by the throat on the evening of the 15th?

cynthia's way of tucking her into bed? :tongue:

[joint-heir]

Casey showed some of her true colors with Jessie, because his father said that she was angry when Jesse would not sign BC papers without results of paternity test. Mr Grund also said he checked up on her in her "online chats" and she was very intimate sounding with another guy. He said she always lines up one before she gets rid of one she's with.

[Lostgirl]

Isn't this the evening Cindy says she and Caylee go for a swim? Was this to calm herself down and cool off? I wish we knew what time this throat grab took place.

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Padilla on Scared Monkeys - brief

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1. Padilla on - investigators interviewed him. Mainly Casey told LE she dropped off Caylee at apartment 210.

2. Then changed story - Samantha and ZFG and kidnapped Caylee at the park. Cindy told him first, then Caylee came out to the motorhome and said the same thing.

3. Back when we were on the bond - the following Wednesday when the lab results came out, he really thought (before) we had a live person on his hands. But he believed the LE and felt it was going to get really nasty. So he said he was going to surrender Casey Saturday. Obviously, Friday she was re-arrested and they didn't have to surrender her. On Saturday he revoked the bond anyway.

4. He predicted what would happen with the protestors if she didn't stay in jail (what's happening now with all the protestors). She's not safe unless she's in jail.

5. Father of the child - Jesse Ortiz, Eric, Javee Platt, or her own brother Lee, Mark Hawkins, another Brandon Snow. He thinks they should all be tested as it's just an unknown right now.

6. Jesse Grund took a LDT and has been cleared as the baby daddy. He still has a great love for her - his first love. But he always had this thing for the baby - it effected him adversly. He stood up to Cindy and she didn't like it - thus now Cindy blaming him on the murder.

7. She goes to Jesse's house after the car was abandoned, and took a shower at his house. Cindy thinks Jesse killed the baby and put her in the trunk of the car.

8. The following day Cindy was talking about how many people had access to the trunk of the car. Casey said there were MANY PEOPLE who had a key to the trunk of the car.

9. LP is offering 50K to tell him where the body is, he recovers the body, and they get the cash.

10. Security gal accompanied Casey to all visits to and from the house - even stayed in the house. As time went on, discussions took place between Casey and her. She was concerned about some of the things she had heard and didn't tell LE or LP. She said she wasn't going to tell LE what was discussed - because it could land her too deeply in the case - he went so far as to say his security gal may end up in jail as Baez may try to pin it on her.

11. One last question. Do you feel LE have enough to file murder charges?
Padilla: Absolutely yes

12. G & C - the night G&C came back from father's day, Cindy grabbed Casey by the throat (on the 15th). She left that night - it scared the heck out of her.

End of summary interview. I know I missed some, but I was typing as fast as I could. The interview lasted a max of 5 minutes.

________________________________________________


When did Padilla do this interview?

[Ladyhawk]

GM everyone!
I am QUITE confused......where did this throat grabbing news come from? IF it is true, it will explain a few things...to me anyway.:seeya:

See joint-heir's post up thread #181.

What will it explain for you please?

[jammies]

Yeah that gas can story was so odd. But you know what I just figured out when I read your post? You are right on about Cindy switching the stories vs. making them up. Switched into all kinds of scenerios too.

You know who else switches scenerios about the case all the time? Me. You know why? Because I don't know what happened and I am trying to make sense of something. That is what Cindy is trying to do, imo. So yes, I now firmly believe Cindy was left out of the loop by George, Lee, and Casey.



The only thing we know for sure is that Caylee is gone and Casey didn't give her to anyone.

[FrankieBones1]

No kidding. I would guess they are using a paper shredder now.I still wonder why the ball cap was torn up and tossed. It was the same one that one of her friends wore in a pic with her. It had shamrocks on it.

[nc1948]

Have you noticed that since everyone has been questioning why Baez and Casey are spending so much time together at his office every day that they have cut those visits to very few? :) MOO

They all read the message boards.

[JHP]

Geragos:lol: if he comes, then the circus will be complete



Cindy will then be dragging along an oxygen tank and carrying her water bottle.

Can't wait, good times.

JMO

[FrankieBones1]

GM everyone!
I am QUITE confused......where did this throat grabbing news come from? IF it is true, it will explain a few things...to me anyway.:seeya:Supposedly, Cindy told Leonard that story and probably in confidence. She must be livid at this point that the whole world knows about it.

[jammies]

For a twice a week pick-up, the A's sure have a lot of garbage for 3 adults.


What are they throwing out?

[FrankieBones1]

Maybe it smelled like smoke like the stuffed animals. Cindy likes everything to smell clean. Especially the trunk of her car.

Hey, thanks for the meaning of 'odious'. I'm going to start using it on this forum. About the cap; wonder if it had evidence on it. Hope that lady that went through the trash handed it over to LE for testing.

[Armchairdet]

They all read the message boards.

Oh, in that case,

Hey, whatcha'll doing in that office all day long? Huh? Oh, and by the way,

Where's Caylee?

[msgatorslayer]

I wish we knew why Casey was fired from Universal. Or did she quit?

At the bond hearing, Cindy said Casey told her she was fired. She even remembered that it was in April.

IIRC, she left Universal at the END of April. Chances are, she was no longer employed by the time Mr. Grund confronted her about the babysitting situation. Did she quit because she couldn't afford a babysitter and the Grund's were on her? Was she looking for a new job? More hours, better pay, and that was why Caylee was still being watched by the Grund's?

:lol: I can't believe I just typed "Casey looking for a new job"

[jakee]

Supposedly, Cindy told Leonard that story and probably in confidence. She must be livid at this point that the whole world knows about it.


Good morning all,

If true, yes Cindy must be very angry with Lenny. I don't understand why he just doesn't tell everything at once. These little tidbits every day are suspect. I want to believe him, but he makes it so hard. I don't quite trust the fellow. IMO :)

[?noanswer]

Yeah that gas can story was so odd. But you know what I just figured out when I read your post? You are right on about Cindy switching the stories vs. making them up. Switched into all kinds of scenerios too.

You know who else switches scenerios about the case all the time? Me. You know why? Because I don't know what happened and I am trying to make sense of something. That is what Cindy is trying to do, imo. So yes, I now firmly believe Cindy was left out of the loop by George, Lee, and Casey.


One of the reasons that I think Cindy didn't know:

She drove by the parking lot where the car was left. She could have "found" the car earlier; therefore eleminating some of the storage costs from the tow lot. I'm beginning to think if GA didn't know before the car was found, he figured it out very fast. As far as Lee I have always wondered how he got there so fast since, IIRC, he said he did not visit that often. I think all three now know that Casey made Caylee disappear. JMO

[Lostgirl]

So Cindy grabs Casey by the throat because she found out that Casey stole from the GGR's on the fathers day visit and acccording to Cindy we're to believe that they all went to bed and everything was hunky dorey the next morning... casey and caylee were in the bedroom snug as bugs in a rug and it was just another day like every other and George gives hugs and kisses goodbye as Casey and Caylee happily leave the next day with their backpacks?

I dunno... that sounds weird to me

[FrankieBones1]

N/T - here is that great post from last night:


INCNTUTLPRVN
Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 451

Padilla on Scared Monkeys - brief
(((snipped quote as per Coldwater's request)))

Thanks for bring that over to the morning thread, Scampi and thanks, Melanie for posting it. Very interesting!

[trich]

I've been wondering about the pizza rotting in the car

Could it be possible that Casey parked that car somewhere and locked Caylee in it and used the car as a babysitter?
Maybe got a pizza and left it so caylee would have something to eat?

and a little girl isn't going to eat a whole pizza..if the car was in the hot sun, locked, windows up so caylee can't get out... she could easily have died from heat.

Maybe Casey comes back and finds her dead, throws her in the trunk while she decides what to do?

:shrug:


I have had that thought from day one.
I believe she left the child in the car ....she may have used chloroform to make her sleep and either she used too much and it killed her or the heat did.
Any way you look at it Casey is responsible for what ever happened to Caylee.
I don't understand how anybody can think differently....even if by some slim chance you want to believe in Zanny ...Casey still is responsible for her daughter being missing.

[FrankieBones1]

One of the reasons that I think Cindy didn't know:

She drove by the parking lot where the car was left. She could have "found" the car earlier; therefore eleminating some of the storage costs from the tow lot. I'm beginning to think if GA didn't know before the car was found, he figured it out very fast. As far as Lee I have always wondered how he got there so fast since, IIRC, he said he did not visit that often. I think all three now know that Casey made Caylee disappear. JMO

Leonard Padilla says that Lee and Casey talked on the phone on July 3rd so Lee must know something.

[Ladyhawk]

I wish we knew why Casey was fired from Universal. Or did she quit?

At the bond hearing, Cindy said Casey told her she was fired. She even remembered that it was in April.

IIRC, she left Universal at the END of April. Chances are, she was no longer employed by the time Mr. Grund confronted her about the babysitting situation. Did she quit because she couldn't afford a babysitter and the Grund's were on her? Was she looking for a new job? More hours, better pay, and that was why Caylee was still being watched by the Grund's?

:lol: I can't believe I just typed "Casey looking for a new job"

Next thing to pop up will be one of those Caught On The Job shows with a tape from US featuring you-know-who.....I have no doubt that someone somewhere is looking for one.

[GrandmaGA]

Good morning all,

If true, yes Cindy must be very angry with Lenny. I don't understand why he just doesn't tell everything at once. These little tidbits every day are suspect. I want to believe him, but he makes it so hard. I don't quite trust the fellow. IMO :)

IMO he make things up as he goes along to keep himself a part of the case and his mug on TV.

[Snoopy50]

Supposedly, Cindy told Leonard that story and probably in confidence. She must be livid at this point that the whole world knows about it.

Thanks. You know, for months my daughter has tried to convince me that Cindy was a very abusive mother. She said the signs were there, control freak, dictating the behaviors of people around her, attention seeking, etc. She has told me that Casey had "lots of help" becoming the monster she is, and the fact that George sought companionship outside the marriage was another sign that Cindy was the loony one. The phone call between Cindy and Casey early on, where Cindy keeps saying, "but sweetheart this and sweetheart that" sold her. She said she got chills every time Cindy said that in the phone call, because she believed that "sweetheart" was not a word that Cindy used when speaking with her daughter. I cannot print the words she told me she believed Cindy may have used!
Taking in the fact that it's been reported that Cindy forced Casey to keep Caylee rather than allow her to be adopted is another sign of a dictator. I must say that a lot of this makes sense now, but then my daughter is the one with a degree in psychology, so she might have a better handle on it. I pointedly asked her how she would recognize an abusive mother that easily, she said her early days in LE taught her a lot about domestic violence, which made her very happy she never knew about such things from her own childhood.
If Cindy was grabbing Casey by the throat at age 22, it makes sense she has been doing things like that for a long long time. Very sad, not to mention scary.:read:

[Pooh]

So Cindy grabs Casey by the throat because she found out that Casey stole from the GGR's on the fathers day visit and acccording to Cindy we're to believe that they all went to bed and everything was hunky dorey the next morning... casey and caylee were in the bedroom snug as bugs in a rug and it was just another day like every other and George gives hugs and kisses goodbye as Casey and Caylee happily leave the next day with their backpacks?

I dunno... that sounds weird to me
Excellenet point. There is no way that family wasn't still fighting on Monday.

BTW - :seeya: everyone! I've missed you all. Finally have power back!

[sickntired]

I think Baez got mad at Casey and he tried to exhibit his dominance over her. She rewarded him by denying him the pleasure of her company all day every day. He ran over to the house to find out why she wasn't seeing him and she is cutting down his access to her. This was all because "the resident" made the 911 calls from the house one evening.


:eek:I think The Anthony's got Baez's first bill. :D He's the most expensive Zanny/Nanny in town.

[msgatorslayer]

Next thing to pop up will be one of those Caught On The Job shows with a tape from US featuring you-know-who.....I have no doubt that someone somewhere is looking for one.

It seems as though everything was going fine until she lost her job at Universal. That's when all the lies really started. If she was fired for something so bad that she couldn't put that on an resume, why didn't she just make up a fake job to put in her resume. Say she was a 'nanny' or something.

What was it that made her not go out and get a real job? Why the fake job? Could it be as simple as her thinking she was worth more than what she could get so she chose to do nothing?:shrug:

[MyrDawn]

Good morning all,

If true, yes Cindy must be very angry with Lenny. I don't understand why he just doesn't tell everything at once. These little tidbits every day are suspect. I want to believe him, but he makes it so hard. I don't quite trust the fellow. IMO :)

If he told everything at once, there wouldn't be any reason for NG to have him on her show any more. He'd fade back into obscurity. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

So Cindy grabs Casey by the throat because she found out that Casey stole from the GGR's on the fathers day visit and acccording to Cindy we're to believe that they all went to bed and everything was hunky dorey the next morning... casey and caylee were in the bedroom snug as bugs in a rug and it was just another day like every other and George gives hugs and kisses goodbye as Casey and Caylee happily leave the next day with their backpacks?

I dunno... that sounds weird to me
Good morning LG, when did it come out Cindy grabbed Casey by the throat?

[Pebbles]

I said it before and I will say it again.
I don't for a minute think Casey has changed....I think she snowed everyone big time.
She has been a liar probably all her life....living in her own world.
Many of those she hung around her said she lied to them.
Why all of a sudden are people thinking she just snapped or something.
I thnk some have not come to terms with the fact that she had them all believing she was something she really was and is not.
Most people that find out they had befriended a criminal can not believe they thought that person was a good guy.
Some are very good at disguising their true natures and I am convinced that is what Casey has done all her life ...until...now when she has been caught in her so many lies.
And hopefully they will be able to prove her biggest lie of all and bring
Caylee home to have a proper burial.



:beer: Excellent post. Totally agree.

[WillowInFlight]

If he told everything at once, there wouldn't be any reason for NG to have him on her show any more. He'd fade back into obscurity. JMO

I think it's time he faded, he really doesn't have anything else to add, time for him to work on his book that he will no doubt write.:rolleyes:

[trich]

:eek:i think the anthony's got baez's first bill. :d he's the most expensive zanny/nanny in town.

good one !lol

[Lostgirl]

Excellenet point. There is no way that family wasn't still fighting on Monday.

BTW - :seeya: everyone! I've missed you all. Finally have power back!

exactly, I think if something THAT upsetting happened.. a physical confrontation with Cindy grabbing casey by the throat!

The next morning would NOT be the picture of serenity and love that they describe the morning of the 16th being like in this interview with Greta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYy30_Jxx1c

JMO

oh and welcome back! :)

[MyrDawn]

Thanks. You know, for months my daughter has tried to convince me that Cindy was a very abusive mother. She said the signs were there, control freak, dictating the behaviors of people around her, attention seeking, etc. She has told me that Casey had "lots of help" becoming the monster she is, and the fact that George sought companionship outside the marriage was another sign that Cindy was the loony one. The phone call between Cindy and Casey early on, where Cindy keeps saying, "but sweetheart this and sweetheart that" sold her. She said she got chills every time Cindy said that in the phone call, because she believed that "sweetheart" was not a word that Cindy used when speaking with her daughter. I cannot print the words she told me she believed Cindy may have used!
Taking in the fact that it's been reported that Cindy forced Casey to keep Caylee rather than allow her to be adopted is another sign of a dictator. I must say that a lot of this makes sense now, but then my daughter is the one with a degree in psychology, so she might have a better handle on it. I pointedly asked her how she would recognize an abusive mother that easily, she said her early days in LE taught her a lot about domestic violence, which made her very happy she never knew about such things from her own childhood.
If Cindy was grabbing Casey by the throat at age 22, it makes sense she has been doing things like that for a long long time. Very sad, not to mention scary.:read:

I must say, this is the first time I heard anyone say that an adulterous husband (or wife) was a sign their marriage partner is loony. :shrug:

[Mandysmom]

Nancy Grace had a very good show last night. My favorite comment came from Marc Klaas describing casey anthony:

KLAAS: This Casey woman is an absolutely odious creature. You see -- it`s like concentric circles in a pond. She is leaving victim after victim after victim after victim. I see this wonderful man, Mr. Grund, almost come to tears on your program over something over which he had absolutely no control, and should not have been involved in ever.

Yep, I think Marc captured the magic that is casey anthony. We also learned that Kobilinsky has jumped to the dark side:

GRACE: Out to famed forensic scientist, Lawrence Kobilinsky at John J. College of Criminal Justice, who has now signed on to be a consultant to the Casey Anthony defense team.

I was very impressed with Richard Grund, one can understand why Jesse Grund is such an impressive young man. This family loved Caylee Anthony.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html

Good morning Regina, I also was struck by the words of Marc Klaas, and Mr. Grund.

Bless the both of them, Mr. Grund seems like such a caring man and his son Jesse, a fine young man. I suppose he must be very grateful to have have gotten away from Casey.

Dr. Kobilinski well I wish he would just go on and help with the defense, and get off of Nancy's show for now. I think most anybody who watched his back pedaling for the last couple of weeks, knew what he was doing.

Going to go and play catch up in my reading now.

:seeya:

[msgatorslayer]

So Cindy grabs Casey by the throat because she found out that Casey stole from the GGR's on the fathers day visit and acccording to Cindy we're to believe that they all went to bed and everything was hunky dorey the next morning... casey and caylee were in the bedroom snug as bugs in a rug and it was just another day like every other and George gives hugs and kisses goodbye as Casey and Caylee happily leave the next day with their backpacks?

I dunno... that sounds weird to me

ITA - Things were not all fine. IMO, Casey took off that night.

And George has never seemed believable about how he seen the girls leave that day. He remembers the exact time, what they wore, na, I'm not buying it. Not only that, but he says they left in the afternoon, and Casey says she dropped Caylee off to zanny in the morning.

Another thing I'm gonna toss in here while it's on my mind - Casey says in her interview with LE that she was always in contact with zanny while she was watching Caylee. That she'd text/instant message, or talk to zanny. {I'm sure she's saying this to prove that she's such a great mom} But on the day zanny took off with Caylee, did she not have contact through out her work day with the zanny? She only mentions trying to call zanny after finding nobody at the apartment and by this time, the phone was disconnected.:rolleyes:

[Snoopy50]

I must say, this is the first time I heard anyone say that an adulterous husband (or wife) was a sign their marriage partner is loony. :shrug:
I'm sorry, that wasn't really the point I was trying to make, you would have had to hear the conversation context, I guess I didn't do a very good job of conveying what she was trying to explain to me. A cheating spouse does not mean they cheat because their partner is loony, at least that is not what i believe. Maybe I need more coffee before trying to post.:(

[Joan Weiss]

I don't think anything happened to her. She's a sociopath, imo. What she showed others was a facade. Look at some of the sociopaths we know. Bundy, Scott P....etc.

Charming with murder on their mind.I agree, n/t. I think she put on an act with the Grunds, just like she does with everyone else.

Of course they're not seeing the Casey they knew; she's caught, and she doesn't like it. Think about that first jail call. That was the true Casey. imo

[Lostgirl]

Good morning LG, when did it come out Cindy grabbed Casey by the throat?

Good Morning! :)

Padilla said it in an interview posted here

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12169835&postcount=11

[BJames]

Day 99

Where is Caylee Anthony?

[Rayosunshine]

It was one of the best NG show I've seen. I burst out laughing when Marc called Casey an absolutely odious creature which is something I rarely do when I'm watching TV by myself! My DH heard me and came to see what was so funny. :D

IMO, both Marc Klaas and Richard Gund have more class in their little finger than most of the other "players" in this case have in their whole body.

Hearing that Dr. Kobilinsky has signed on with the defense explains the way he's been talking lately, for sure. I think NG was a bit miffed he didn't let her know earlier.

Prayers for Dominick Dunne :rose:

Was it Kobilinsky that explained the ring on hair from a deceased person?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Joan Weiss]

Nancy Grace had a very good show last night. My favorite comment came from Marc Klaas describing casey anthony:

KLAAS: This Casey woman is an absolutely odious creature. You see -- it`s like concentric circles in a pond. She is leaving victim after victim after victim after victim. I see this wonderful man, Mr. Grund, almost come to tears on your program over something over which he had absolutely no control, and should not have been involved in ever.

Yep, I think Marc captured the magic that is casey anthony. We also learned that Kobilinsky has jumped to the dark side:

GRACE: Out to famed forensic scientist, Lawrence Kobilinsky at John J. College of Criminal Justice, who has now signed on to be a consultant to the Casey Anthony defense team.

I was very impressed with Richard Grund, one can understand why Jesse Grund is such an impressive young man. This family loved Caylee Anthony.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.htmlmorning, Regina. Odious is a perfect description of Casey. Marc has a way with words.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/odious

[Pooh]

I'm sorry, that wasn't really the point I was trying to make, you would have had to hear the conversation context, I guess I didn't do a very good job of conveying what she was trying to explain to me. A cheating spouse does not mean they cheat because their partner is loony, at least that is not what i believe. Maybe I need more coffee before trying to post.:(

I knew what you meant, Snoopy. No need for more coffee - post away!!

[barskin&co.]

ITA - Things were not all fine. IMO, Casey took off that night.

And George has never seemed believable about how he seen the girls leave that day. He remembers the exact time, what they wore, na, I'm not buying it. Not only that, but he says they left in the afternoon, and Casey says she dropped Caylee off to zanny in the morning.

Another thing I'm gonna toss in here while it's on my mind - Casey says in her interview with LE that she was always in contact with zanny while she was watching Caylee. That she'd text/instant message, or talk to zanny. {I'm sure she's saying this to prove that she's such a great mom} But on the day zanny took off with Caylee, did she not have contact through out her work day with the zanny? She only mentions trying to call zanny after finding nobody at the apartment and by this time, the phone was disconnected.:rolleyes:

Well, let's remember. There are absolutely no phone records of communication to or from a Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. The phone records, IMO, prove quite clearly that this so-called "nanny" didn't exist, and since Casey didn't have a job, she wouldn't have a "work day" through out which she would have to contact her, anyway.

[BJames]

Before I go diving into the links thread does anyone recall how long Lee Anthony has been out of the house?
Thanks in advance to anyone who knows...

[Joan Weiss]

Was it Kobilinsky that explained the ring on hair from a deceased person?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMomYes. He's also the one now casting doubt on the FBI lab, according to a previous NG show.

imo

[Lostgirl]

ITA - Things were not all fine. IMO, Casey took off that night.

And George has never seemed believable about how he seen the girls leave that day. He remembers the exact time, what they wore, na, I'm not buying it. Not only that, but he says they left in the afternoon, and Casey says she dropped Caylee off to zanny in the morning.

Another thing I'm gonna toss in here while it's on my mind - Casey says in her interview with LE that she was always in contact with zanny while she was watching Caylee. That she'd text/instant message, or talk to zanny. {I'm sure she's saying this to prove that she's such a great mom} But on the day zanny took off with Caylee, did she not have contact through out her work day with the zanny? She only mentions trying to call zanny after finding nobody at the apartment and by this time, the phone was disconnected.:rolleyes:

yep and i thought Georges story stunk to high heaven when he gave Greta the EXACT time and backed it up with he knew that cause he was watching his favorite show...that he watches EVERYDAY! then he fumbles out something like "uhhh a cooking show on food network"

if its his favorite show that he watches every damn day wouldnt he have said "I know the time because i watch "GAY COOKS" everyday at noon and it was almost over.. another 10 minutes to go and thats when the girls were leaving.

(ya i made up the GAY COOKS part) :lol:

[barskin&co.]

Oh, and didn't Mr. Grund say last night that he has known of Zenaida the nanny for years?

He said he heard about a "Zanny," not a "Zenaida." Nobody ever heard the name Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah until Casey told it to the police on July 15.

[WillowInFlight]

Good Morning! :)

Padilla said it in an interview posted here

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12169835&postcount=11
Thanks, I knew I should have started from page one, I wonder just how violent Cindy has been.

[MyrDawn]

I'm sorry, that wasn't really the point I was trying to make, you would have had to hear the conversation context, I guess I didn't do a very good job of conveying what she was trying to explain to me. A cheating spouse does not mean they cheat because their partner is loony, at least that is not what i believe. Maybe I need more coffee before trying to post.:(

I understand. :)

Personally, I don't think anyone made Casey the way she is or that Cindy was an abusive mother. I believe she's a psychopath/sociopath, and would be that way no matter how she was raised. I also think Cindy knew there was something terribly wrong with Casey and that's why she treated her and talked to her the way she did. JMO

[Pooh]

Yes. He's also the one now casting doubt on the FBI lab, according to a previous NG show.

imo

Nancy needs to dump him, now! He's no longer impartial. imo

[Snoopy50]

I knew what you meant, Snoopy. No need for more coffee - post away!!

Thank you Pooh, nice to see you are back!:seeya: The conversations about Cindy were early on in this case and when my daughter gets going, she doesn't come up for air. I simply cannot remember every detail, just the main points. Sorry again for any misconceptions.

[Rayosunshine]

[QUOTE=Regina.Lampert;12169835]Morning N/T and KittKatt. Mr. Grund did have an insight, you're right. I believe she snapped from the pressure of hiding the "odious creature" that she actually was from everyone.

N/T - here is that great post from last night:


~snipped~

I am in no way taking Casey's side but there is a remote possibility that there could be a physiological reason for Casey's behavior. Perhaps a chemical imbalance in her brain. Now I will take my leave before I get attacked and go back to lurking.

Agreed Katt2. And, whatever problem Casey had did not happen overnight.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[WillowInFlight]

Oh, and didn't Mr. Grund say last night that he has known of Zenaida the nanny for years?

I think he has only ever used the word "Zanny"

[MyrDawn]

Was it Kobilinsky that explained the ring on hair from a deceased person?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Yep. On Nancy Grace's show on August 1st.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/01/ng.01.html

[oldbluesmith]

Nancy needs to dump him, now! He's no longer impartial. imoI think NG should keep him on the show so the prosecution can use his own words against him on the stand. JMHO

[Pooh]

Thank you Pooh, nice to see you are back!:seeya: The conversations about Cindy were early on in this case and when my daughter gets going, she doesn't come up for air. I simply cannot remember every detail, just the main points. Sorry again for any misconceptions.
Nice to BE back! HA! I always love hearing what your daughter thinks in this case. It's one of a kind - that's for sure.

[oldbluesmith]

Oops, forgot to say Goodmorning All. Cindy and Casey, two peas in a pod. JMHO

[artdonkey]

There are too many players and too much disinformation being thrown out by all the characters in this case.

It seems apparent that Casey has some sort of mental, developmental or psychological problems. Who knows? It may be a very complex bunch of disorders. But trying to make any kind of sense out of all this, and especially what Casey says or does is like the old adage about trying to argue with a drunk…it never works.

If we assume that Casey is a sociopath, then we have to remember some things that are usually evident in that kind of behavior. The psychologist on NG last night, talked about Casey leaving all these victims in her wake. She used everyone in and around her life in a totally self-centered way and since she had perfected her lying skills at an early age, it was pretty easy to dupe them and move to the next victim. Remember, most predators and con artists are really good at picking out their victims. They go after the weak or needy and gaining their confidence just like a wolf picking out the small, weak, hurt or old sheep from the flock to attack. With that in mind, look at this crazy cast of characters in this whole sad story. Some are there by mere chance like her family who helped mold the Casey we see today, but others were sought out for how they could be used. Many of them are the weakest links and that’s how they were so easily fooled. We just haven’t had the spotlights shinning on them quite so hard.

Let’s hope that LE, who probably has a lot more information than we can even imagine here with all the smart sleuths on the case, is carefully sorting and laying out the facts that will finally make all this make sense and bring all the guilty people responsible to justice.

[Lostgirl]

I think he has only ever used the word "Zanny"


and the problem with that story is he says when Casey came home from work that day he met her at the front door and asked her when she was gonna do something about getting a babysitter and casey says that she JUST took care of it and her friend had told her about "zanny"

but in another statement Casey said that she knew "zanny" for 4 yrs through a co-worker

so which is it? she can't have it both ways :rolleyes:

[Regina.Lampert]

<snort> :lol:

Remember cynthia actually did say that she tucked casey and caylee into bed. I thought then it was a lie. I wonder if LE will ever call the anthonys on these transparent lies?

I am glad Dr. Kobilinsky is on the defense, at least he is an ethical man, imo and not like other forensic experts we have seen in recent cases:

the ketchup king and michael baden, who actually rolled up to the stand and testified that a body can still move an hour after death, during the spector trial.

[Mairi II]

It sounds like I should've watched NG instead of DWTS last night, dang it.

From the sounds of it, the Grunds are decent people. Was it ever said why Jesse and Casey broke up?

[marshmallow]

Well, let's remember. There are absolutely no phone records of communication to or from a Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. The phone records, IMO, prove quite clearly that this so-called "nanny" didn't exist, and since Casey didn't have a job, she wouldn't have a "work day" through out which she would have to contact her, anyway.



adding to those thoughts, I know the children I helped raise over the past 20 years always got excited at Christmas and my birthday because they got to purchase gifts. And I always remembered them on those days too. Did "Zanny" send birthday card/christmas cards and gifts? did "Zanny" get gifts, cards? Even 2 yr olds get excited about things like that and babble on nonstop about it.

[day2day]

Mornin everyone..
Seems that info just keeps drippin down.....doesn't it? Some of it breaks my heart! So Cindy wrapped her hands around Casey's neck..i wonder where Caylee was when all this was happening? I can't imagine just how scared she was..! IF Caylee is alive i think this family will have a very hard time getting her back. We have all witnessed their violent tendencies...i can only imagine what it really is like behind closed doors.

I am proud of Tim Miller-he will be back. I would have bet my farm he had found precious Caylee arleady...(glad i didn't) -I admire Tim Miller for many reasons. Tim keep up the good fight!!

jmo...
and mornin my friends!!:seeya:

[WillowInFlight]

Oops, forgot to say Goodmorning All. Cindy and Casey, two peas in a pod. JMHO

I bet when George leaves the house, Casey is safely locked away in her bedroom. If Cindy grabbed her neck because she stole from GGM, I can only imagine what she wants to do now.

[kakax]

Don't know if this has been posted yet.....


Casey Anthony's Defense Team Acquires Forensic Scientist

http://www.wftv.com/news/17515488/detail.html

Eyewitness News received a fax from Baez's PR firm accusing the Orange County Sheriff's Office of leaking false and distorted information to the media, and suggesting that Caylee may be found sooner if those leaks stopped.

[jill collins]

I must say, this is the first time I heard anyone say that an adulterous husband (or wife) was a sign their marriage partner is loony. :shrug:

I have never seen so much pure and unadulterated psycho-babble tripe as I have seen here today. Must have been Dr. Phil's influence.

[Lostgirl]

It sounds like I should've watched NG instead of DWTS last night, dang it.

From the sounds of it, the Grunds are decent people. Was it ever said why Jesse and Casey broke up?

Sounded to me like it went sour when Jesse demanded a paternity test... apparently that really pissed casey off and it was downhill from there

[BJames]

I went into Casey mode and made up a story for you.:cool:
It is now my theory that there is a Zenaida, but its more scandalous than we all can imagine, and keep in mind I am being obnoxious.

Zenaida is actually George Anthonys mistress. She is so desperate for an Anthony child that George says to Casey, give us Caylee, I toss your Mom out, Caseys fine with that since she hates Cindy anyways, and more than likely probably would have disposed of Cindy had George just signed the Sunfire over to her, nonetheless she gets the house and can spend all day shaking her azz with Amy at their new party pad forever and no one is none the wiser.

Ugggghhh.

And I am kidding, but this Zenaida thing bugs the crap out of me and there are never any answers, I was letting it go till I heard Mr. Grund last night mention her. Then I get hope again, and on and on this goes! moo

Well hey...that works for me.
I have been trying really hard to resolve what Casey was intending to do about this house going to her and Amy moving in as well....Eldest son has a theory that Lee wasn't meant to be there when she and Cindy came home, Casey tells LE that when she got there Cindy was dead and whoever it was took Caylee as well...
Yep...we're a crazy bunch on the 'theories' here ;)

Just my (and my kid's) opinion of course...

[jakee]

and the problem with that story is he says when Casey came home from work that day he met her at the front door and asked her when she was gonna do something about getting a babysitter and casey says that she JUST took care of it and her friend had told her about "zanny"

but in another statement Casey said that she knew "zanny" for 4 yrs through a co-worker

so which is it? she can't have it both ways :rolleyes:


Interesting. hmmmm. Maybe she knew Zanny for 4 years but didn't know she babysat or was a nanny and just found out? Did she say Zanny also worked at US? Well, this is just silly because i don't believe any of it. :)

[MyrDawn]

adding to those thoughts, I know the children I helped raise over the past 20 years always got excited at Christmas and my birthday because they got to purchase gifts. And I always remembered them on those days too. Did "Zanny" send birthday card/christmas cards and gifts? did "Zanny" get gifts, cards? Even 2 yr olds get excited about things like that and babble on nonstop about it.

They do babble nonstop, and Caylee was close to three so she'd have been talking quite clearly, IMO. I still think that could have been a motive for Casey to kill her. Caylee's babbling could have blown all the lies Casey had been telling about still working at Universal, Zanny, etc. from here to kingdom come.

[WillowInFlight]

and the problem with that story is he says when Casey came home from work that day he met her at the front door and asked her when she was gonna do something about getting a babysitter and casey says that she JUST took care of it and her friend had told her about "zanny"

but in another statement Casey said that she knew "zanny" for 4 yrs through a co-worker

so which is it? she can't have it both ways :rolleyes:
I hope LE is keeping track of all these discrepancies.

[Pooh]

Don't know if this has been posted yet.....


Casey Anthony's Defense Team Acquires Forensic Scientist

http://www.wftv.com/news/17515488/detail.html

Eyewitness News received a fax from Baez's PR firm accusing the Orange County Sheriff's Office of leaking false and distorted information to the media, and suggesting that Caylee may be found sooner if those leaks stopped.
Oh Good Lord! Caylee would be found TODAY if his stupid client would tell the truth for once in her life! hammer

[Mairi II]

Sounded to me like it went sour when Jesse demanded a paternity test... apparently that really pissed casey off and it was downhill from there


Oh! Okay. Thanks. I didn't know the timeline of them being together. So it was before and during the period Casey slept with someone else and got PG.

[Lostgirl]

*snipped*

the ketchup king and michael baden, who actually rolled up to the stand and testified that a body can still move an hour after death, during the spector trial.

ketchup king! ROFL!! :lol:

[Rayosunshine]

Supposedly because Cindy found out that Casey had stolen from the GGr's that day when she took Caylee to visit them on Father's Day. MOO

Maybe Casey was going to tell that she was stealing the money for someone else in the family.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[jbellaj]

IMO he make things up as he goes along to keep himself a part of the case and his mug on TV.

He's taking his cue from Casey IMO