TUESDAY Morning, 9/23 - Day 99

[MyrDawn]

I have never seen so much pure and unadulterated psycho-babble tripe as I have seen here today. Must have been Dr. Phil's influence.

Snoopy explained it. She didn't mean it the way I took it. It was a misunderstanding and that's good enough for me.

[Pruddennce]

and the problem with that story is he says when Casey came home from work that day he met her at the front door and asked her when she was gonna do something about getting a babysitter and casey says that she JUST took care of it and her friend had told her about "zanny"

but in another statement Casey said that she knew "zanny" for 4 yrs through a co-worker

so which is it? she can't have it both ways :rolleyes:

she's a liar? :)

Jeff H was fired in 2002. Casey A was fired in April 06. timing is everything...she was asked about babysitting arrangements and she has it taken care of! she's ahead of the problem! well, of course she did, she didnt have a job anymore.

best regards,
Pru

[kakax]

Commissioner asks for weekend deputy at Anthony home

Another Orange County commissioner requests help from the sheriff's office
8:59 a.m. Commissioner Mildred Fernandez is asking the Board of County Commissioners to consider assigning a deputy from the Orange County Sheriff's Office to the Anthonys' home if the injunction filed by the homeowners association is not granted.

In a memo to Orange County Mayor Rich Crotty, Fernandez asks that a deputy be on duty Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays between 5 p.m. and 9 p.m.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony092308,0,5799136.story

[WillowInFlight]

Oh Good Lord! Caylee would be found TODAY if his stupid client would tell the truth for once in her life! hammer

Well now I wonder who is paying for Kobilinsky, I'm sure he doesn't come free. No wonder George is parked out at Publix seeking donations.:rolleyes:

[Rebel Rouzer]

Don't know if this has been posted yet.....


Casey Anthony's Defense Team Acquires Forensic Scientist

http://www.wftv.com/news/17515488/detail.html

Eyewitness News received a fax from Baez's PR firm accusing the Orange County Sheriff's Office of leaking false and distorted information to the media, and suggesting that Caylee may be found sooner if those leaks stopped.

Morning everyone

If Caylee is definitely Alive why would the defense need to aquire a forensic scientist?
Why would a defense team need a forensic scientist to argue a neglect charge?
If Caylee could be found sooner if leaks stopped? Why would the defense need a forenscis scientist?

This should be very telling for those who believe Caylee is alive. IMO

[MyrDawn]

Jose always uses the fax machine, what's up with that?

Maybe he's been with Casey so long he forgot how to call the LE? :biggrin:

[Lostgirl]

she's a liar? :)

Jeff H was fired in 2002. Casey A was fired in April 06. timing is everything...she was asked about babysitting arrangements and she has it taken care of! she's ahead of the problem! well, of course she did, she didnt have a job anymore.

best regards,
Pru

exactly Pru

this chick can spout BS faster than a firehose on full throttle! :rolleyes:

like others have said... i hope LE is tracking all these statements and filing them away for future reference

[Armchairdet]

Whenever I hear people still trying to spin the kidnapping story, or say when we find out what really happened and who is involved we will be suprised, or whatever else, I get mad.

There are people that want to make it seem that Caylee was taken from Casey. Ok, let's pretend that is true for a moment. Kids do get kidnapped, but then the parent would call LE right away. We know no good can come of not calling. Why would they keep the child for a certain amount of time, and if you do not call LE return her safely? Ransom? Highly doubtful in this case. Some conspiracy? What kind of conspiracy would involve kidnapping an innocent baby?

I believe in addition to causing the death of Caylee, Casey's personality is one that makes her need to hide her guilt, AND make what happened to Caylee, (and in affect her) sound important. I don't guess important is the right word. But she does not want herself to sound evil, nor run of the mill. Everything has to be big drama and she wants to seem a martyr.

[Pooh]

Well now I wonder who is paying for Kobilinsky, I'm sure he doesn't come free. No wonder George is parked out at Publix seeking donations.:rolleyes:
My guess is he's using his time as a donation. He can use his class to help him. Ugh - just makes me sick he's gone to "them".

[oldbluesmith]

Remember cynthia actually did say that she tucked casey and caylee into bed. I thought then it was a lie. I wonder if LE will ever call the anthonys on these transparent lies?

I am glad Dr. Kobilinsky is on the defense, at least he is an ethical man, imo and not like other forensic experts we have seen in recent cases:

the ketchup king and michael baden, who actually rolled up to the stand and testified that a body can still move an hour after death, during the spector trial.
Good Morning, Regina, I agree that Cindy tucking Casey into bed is not a whole truth, having been put to bed by one. A sociopath's method is a bit different than normal methods. After grabbing Casey by the neck (Cindy's method), I would think no one got any sleep that night. Anyone pushed to assault would not be able to sleep with Casey, a thief, in the house and Casey would not have been able to sleep while Cindy was in the house. That may be the reason George saw Casey and Caylee at midday after Cindy left for work. LE will not be the ones calling the Anthonys on their lies, it will be the prosecution calling them with the lies on the stand. I think LE will be the ones gathering all the lies for the prosecution.
Dr Koby, I think will be called on the stand by the prosecution about his back tracking on the NG show with video to boot. JMHO

[day2day]

Can you imagine how scared and confused Caylee was when Mommy killed her?

So now we all know that Cindy is capable of using force to beat the snot out of Casey to find out where Caylee is but doesn't now because her home is bugged and everything she does is being looked into even her trash, and most of the people think she is nuts anyways, I cant blame her for not body slamming Casey around and holding her down by her throat, which to me is what everyone or most people wanted her to do to get the truth out of Casey. Violence will not work with this chick.

And I am not bad at Cindy for having to use force on Casey in front of her daughter if what PADILLA is saying is true, and I dont believe anything he says. moo

I can't imagine how scared she was. I can't bring myself to think about it. I believe it has also been said that George and Casey have been in each others face betwen bonds. I wish they would revoke her stinkin bond and let her rot. It is where she belongs..

jmo:read:

[Lostgirl]

I wonder what Cindy thinks of Padillla saying Lee needs to be given a paternity test where caylee is concerned?

OUCH! i bet she slammed a few holes in her walls with a hammer when that bomb dropped!

[Joan Weiss]

One of the reasons that I think Cindy didn't know:

She drove by the parking lot where the car was left. She could have "found" the car earlier; therefore eleminating some of the storage costs from the tow lot. I'm beginning to think if GA didn't know before the car was found, he figured it out very fast. As far as Lee I have always wondered how he got there so fast since, IIRC, he said he did not visit that often. I think all three now know that Casey made Caylee disappear. JMOThe thing is, I don't think Cindy drove by there at all. She was on vacation. imo

[jbellaj]

Nice to BE back! HA! I always love hearing what your daughter thinks in this case. It's one of a kind - that's for sure.

Nice to have you back :D ITA I always love snoopy's post. She was very informative early on in this case. JMO

[barskin&co.]

I hope LE is keeping track of all these discrepancies.

Oh, you can be sure they are! ETA: Day by day, we can see why no defense attorney could ever put Casey in the witness stand.

[desmom]

Jose always uses the fax machine, what's up with that?

Fax machines don't ask questions?

He is good at making long speeches (remember the "them in Iraq" speech). IMO he does not like to answer reporter's questions.

[Armchairdet]

Remember when Casey was being questioned @ universal and she said "something horrible has happened? Why didn't le question that any further?

I don't know that they didn't. I am not convinced we have heard everything they asked her. But even if so, I am sure they have a reason. Why did she not share the horrible thing that happened? Being the childs mother and all.

[artdonkey]

Boy, this story has so many twists and turns (mostly because everyone in this family seems to lie). So they had this big blowout fight on the 15th (FD), and casey takes off that night. Didn't Tony say she stayed at his place (without Caylee) on the night of FD? So casey leaves with Caylee, and leaves her in the car while she goes to get comfort from her BF (possibly leaves her a pizza, possibly drugs her). Does she leave her in the trunk because she doesn't want anyone to see a child alone in the car? Caylee dies. Or casey, in a fit of rage against her mother, kills Caylee and stuffs her body in the trunk. Then the next day she drives around trying to figure out what to do. On the 17th she borrows the shovel and attempts to bury Caylee in the backyard. BTW When did the GPs go on vacation? casey returns to the house because she knows the body is not well hidden? or perhaps the smell is too apparent? She puts the body back in the car. She steals the gas cans, drives somewhere and dumps the body. Did she try to burn it, or did she just need gas for the car? I think the latter. George reports the stolen cans around the 23rd/24th right? He says he found them in the trunk on the 24th. Did he smell the odor? I think so. She leaves, abandoning the car, showers at Jesse's and has Tony pick her up. She can't go back to her parents, so she freeloads and steals from her friends to get by for a couple weeks. Cindy finds her at Tony's and drags her home. 911 calls, etc. So where is Caylee. Oh I hope she is found soon! :rose:

All the puzzle pieces seem to fit this picture.

[jill collins]

Can you imagine how scared and confused Caylee was when Mommy killed her?

So now we all know that Cindy is capable of using force to beat the snot out of Casey to find out where Caylee is but doesn't now because her home is bugged and everything she does is being looked into even her trash, and most of the people think she is nuts anyways, I cant blame her for not body slamming Casey around and holding her down by her throat, which to me is what everyone or most people wanted her to do to get the truth out of Casey. Violence will not work with this chick.

And I am not mad at Cindy for having to use force on Casey in front of her daughter if what PADILLA is saying is true, and I dont believe anything he says. moo

Please show proof the Anthony's house is BUGGED. Do you have even a basic knowledge of privacy rights or what is involved in getting a "bugging device"? LOL When, pray tell, was the "bugging equipment" installed? BTW - Padilla has denied "bugging" the home during his gig.

[jbellaj]

Don't know if this has been posted yet.....


Casey Anthony's Defense Team Acquires Forensic Scientist

http://www.wftv.com/news/17515488/detail.html

Eyewitness News received a fax from Baez's PR firm accusing the Orange County Sheriff's Office of leaking false and distorted information to the media, and suggesting that Caylee may be found sooner if those leaks stopped.

Oh PLEASE, they need to get off that already. As much as I want Caylee to be found alive in my heart of hearts I don't believe that's the case. JMO

[shelbar53]

Ok I just listened to scaredmonkeys interview with the BH. Yes he did say that on june 15th, cindy literaly grabbed casey around the neck. he also said the women with casey...does NOT work for him but he has used her in the past when they needed a female to transport a woman prisoner. she is from calif.

[Lostgirl]

Oh, you can be sure they are! ETA: Day by day, we can see why no defense attorney could ever put Casey in the witness stand.

you got that right..

if ever there was a perfect example of someone who can NOT testify on their own behalf it's Casey!

it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad!

[Joan Weiss]

Well now I wonder who is paying for Kobilinsky, I'm sure he doesn't come free. No wonder George is parked out at Publix seeking donations.:rolleyes:Yeh, this is very costly. Maybe Kobilinsky is doing it for the publicity. Never figured him for that, but I recall that those THs do go on the newstalk shows for attention and future employment.

That was told by Daniel Horowitz when he talked about his future plans with Pamela Vitale, his murdered wife. He said they had planned to build his career by going on those shows.

That's also how Geragos got the job defending Scott Peterson. imo

[Velouria]

Cindy will then be dragging along an oxygen tank and carrying her water bottle.

Can't wait, good times.

JMO

I think Lee has already claimed the "Darth Vader" nic in this family, JHP! ;)

[warrkat]

I'm sorry, that wasn't really the point I was trying to make, you would have had to hear the conversation context, I guess I didn't do a very good job of conveying what she was trying to explain to me. A cheating spouse does not mean they cheat because their partner is loony, at least that is not what i believe. Maybe I need more coffee before trying to post.:(

I'll send you some of my coffee; it's hot, black, and strong, and boy, do I need it this morning.

I'm not sure I agree that Cindy is/was abusive with Casey, but controlling, definitely. I guess some people would call a controlling person an abusive person........ interpretation of words, not terribly important maybe.
We don't know these people, and I certainly don't mean to imply that I do. However I have seen mothers/wives with the same behavior. It doesn't excuse George for having affairs (if he did), but it does help explain why. Often when men and/or women cheat, it's not for the physical things necessarily, it's to satisfy an emotional need.
It's interesting to me that it's been said that Cindy forced Casey to keep her baby. Casey had to be at least 18, and legally, there's no way that she could have been forced. Imagine one person, even your mother, having that much control over your life! I'm not excusing anything Casey has done, but I do have to feel a little sympathy for what may have been a horrible home life (for all of them).

Thanks for taking the time to post everything that your daughter said. It's a very interesting look into the personalities involved, and honestly, helped me understand a couple of things in my own personality a little better. :)

[Regina.Lampert]

Good Morning, Regina, I agree that Cindy tucking Casey into bed is not a whole truth, having been put to bed by one. A sociopath's method is a bit different than normal methods. After grabbing Casey by the neck (Cindy's method), I would think no one got any sleep that night. Anyone pushed to assault would not be able to sleep with Casey, a thief, in the house and Casey would not have been able to sleep while Cindy was in the house. That may be the reason George saw Casey and Caylee at midday after Cindy left for work. LE will not be the ones calling the Anthonys on their lies, it will be the prosecution calling them with the lies on the stand. I think LE will be the ones gathering all the lies for the prosecution.
Dr Koby, I think will be called on the stand by the prosecution about his back tracking on the NG show with video to boot. JMHO

You're right Blue, it will be the prosecutor doing the catching of all the anthony's lies in this case.

[Armchairdet]

I tried an internet archive site, not sure if I am to link it here. It is suppose to track every page on the internet. I was trying to get it to work with myspace. I could not, but perhaps I am doing it wrong? If it works it should screenshot what was on a site on a particular day regardless of changes made later.

[Mairi II]

If someone bonds out and wants security isnt it their responsibility to obtain it and not the tax payers?

I would sure think so. What a crock!!!!! She exerts her right to bond out, yet then the taxpayers have to pay to ensure her safety? Bullcrap. It's under her control. She knows what's going on outside and her rights are obviously more important to her than the safety of her family et al. What a wench.

[Pooh]

Nice to have you back :D ITA I always love snoopy's post. She was very informative early on in this case. JMO

Hey bella!! :seeya:

[shelbar53]

Could someone point me to a link of Cindy's July 3rd myspace entry? Thanks!:seeya:

its on page 33 of the 400 page doc, if tht helps..it wouldnt let me cut and paste..sorry

[Snoopy50]

I'll send you some of my coffee; it's hot, black, and strong, and boy, do I need it this morning.

I'm not sure I agree that Cindy is/was abusive with Casey, but controlling, definitely. I guess some people would call a controlling person an abusive person........ interpretation of words, not terribly important maybe.
We don't know these people, and I certainly don't mean to imply that I do. However I have seen mothers/wives with the same behavior. It doesn't excuse George for having affairs (if he did), but it does help explain why. Often when men and/or women cheat, it's not for the physical things necessarily, it's to satisfy an emotional need.
It's interesting to me that it's been said that Cindy forced Casey to keep her baby. Casey had to be at least 18, and legally, there's no way that she could have been forced. Imagine one person, even your mother, having that much control over your life! I'm not excusing anything Casey has done, but I do have to feel a little sympathy for what may have been a horrible home life (for all of them).

Thanks for taking the time to post everything that your daughter said. It's a very interesting look into the personalities involved, and honestly, helped me understand a couple of things in my own personality a little better. :)

Thank you for a great post, (& for the coffee too!;)) While I agree with you that Casey was of age when the baby was born, I also think she was still living at home, a high school drop out, with little resources. Maybe she felt pressure from Cindy on Cindy's insistence that the baby not be adopted out because she couldn't fend for herself. I don't know, the dynamics of this family have too many stranger than strange twists.:seeya:

[Lostgirl]

All the puzzle pieces seem to fit this picture.

I agree, she probably got caylee pizza for supper then drugged her and laid her in the trunk thinking she'd sleep (no noise) so no one would be the wiser that she was using the car as a makeshift babysitter.

maybe the car is "zanny"

[crymeariver2006]

If someone bonds out and wants security isnt it their responsibility to obtain it and not the tax payers?


Yes.

And she had security provided by sheriff's deputies while she was in jail. 24/7.

When will the commissioners vote on this odious expense?

[nc1948]

Whenever I hear people still trying to spin the kidnapping story, or say when we find out what really happened and who is involved we will be suprised, or whatever else, I get mad.

There are people that want to make it seem that Caylee was taken from Casey. Ok, let's pretend that is true for a moment. Kids do get kidnapped, but then the parent would call LE right away. We know no good can come of not calling. Why would they keep the child for a certain amount of time, and if you do not call LE return her safely? Ransom? Highly doubtful in this case. Some conspiracy? What kind of conspiracy would involve kidnapping an innocent baby?

I believe in addition to causing the death of Caylee, Casey's personality is one that makes her need to hide her guilt, AND make what happened to Caylee, (and in affect her) sound important. I don't guess important is the right word. But she does not want herself to sound evil, nor run of the mill. Everything has to be big drama and she wants to seem a martyr.

I think important is the correct word. It should always be about her. Remember her statement on phone about all you are worried about is Caylee, what about me. She needs to be in the limelight and needs a lot of attention.

[Rayosunshine]

Jose always uses the fax machine, what's up with that?


It's quick and provides legal documentation that a message was sent. Sort of like when a letter is sent and someone must sign for receipt of same.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[bchand]

If someone bonds out and wants security isnt it their responsibility to obtain it and not the tax payers?


I agree plus it would be a waste of taxpayer money. 5 - 9 pm?

The Anthonys usually wait til much later to come out and entice the protesters.

[Rayosunshine]

Well now I wonder who is paying for Kobilinsky, I'm sure he doesn't come free. No wonder George is parked out at Publix seeking donations.:rolleyes:

Kobilinsky may not need the $$. He may have a strong curiosity about the case, since forensics has been his life. Maybe he just wants to know the truth about the data.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Joan Weiss]

I think NG should keep him on the show so the prosecution can use his own words against him on the stand. JMHOHe will definitely be held to scrutiny on the witness stand.

imo

[barskin&co.]

Could someone point me to a link of Cindy's July 3rd myspace entry? Thanks!:seeya:

Just copied this from the links thread:

July 3 Cindy posted this on Myspace
Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don't know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother's love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

[jbellaj]

HEY JOSE Caylee may be found sooner if Casey would just talk . Never mind LE leaks

And don't think he doesn't know that..JMO

[barskin&co.]

He will definitely be held to scrutiny on the witness stand.

imo

Kobilinsky may not ever be called to the witness stand. He may not have anything to say that will help the defense.

[Lostgirl]

Yes, I am aware that you have to go before a judge to get him to sign a warrant granting a wiretapping device, it is not unheard of and I highly doubt they would be making it front page news, however I could be wrong. I have also heard a panel on Nancy Grace all in agreement that the home is more than likely bugged, you can bet they have put tracking software in the computer, and that all phone conversations are being listened to, I thought it was a given, but forgive me if I am wrong!


But does anyone know that if they obtain a warrant for a sound device they have to disclose that to the world, I really don't think so. seems like that would defeat the whole purpose and be insane. moo

I don't think so because remember the case in Florida of the baby that was taken out of the house and they bugged the parents house and recorded

and they said the parents said this that and the other on the tapes but when they were played it was mostly just static with what sounded like a TV show in the background or something?

I think the babies name was Sabrina?

The parents didnt know the house was bugged

[Rayosunshine]

Please show proof the Anthony's house is BUGGED. Do you have even a basic knowledge of privacy rights or what is involved in getting a "bugging device"? LOL When, pray tell, was the "bugging equipment" installed? BTW - Padilla has denied "bugging" the home during his gig.


It may not be, but maybe the family thinks it is - delusions of persecution.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Katt2]

Morning everyone

If Caylee is definitely Alive why would the defense need to aquire a forensic scientist?
Why would a defense team need a forensic scientist to argue a neglect charge?
If Caylee could be found sooner if leaks stopped? Why would the defense need a forenscis scientist?

This should be very telling for those who believe Caylee is alive. IMO

Nancy sort of posed the question to Kolby about why the defense needed a forensics expert and he started off on the tangent about handwriting analysis etc in regards to the fraud charges. He rather sidestepped the question, I thought, because he is not a handwriting expert.

[jbellaj]

Yes it does. Big problem though. When she took Caylees body somewhere else she probably didnt bury it since no other shovel has been reported borrowed. Unless it was a purchase on moms cc . Would love to know the things she bought since June 15th. Since Caylee's body was decomposing, she probably put her in a trash bag and could have pitched it in the water or woods.


She also could have put her in a trash bag, then in a dumpster and Caylee is at the landfill. Afterall there is no record of Casey being seen with Caylee after 6/16. 31 days had already gone by before anyone knew she was missing and now if I'm correct we are on day 98. There would be very little to find of her now. JMO

[Rayosunshine]

Ok I just listened to scaredmonkeys interview with the BH. Yes he did say that on june 15th, cindy literaly grabbed casey around the neck. he also said the women with casey...does NOT work for him but he has used her in the past when they needed a female to transport a woman prisoner. she is from calif.

Shelbar53, did Padilla say how he got the information about Cindy grabbing Casey around the neck?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[honibugs]

I think that Casey was all fine and dandy when things were going her way, but once her lies and thievery started catching up with her and she started being called into account for some of her actions, the true Casey came out.

JMO

ITA. And I think that Cindy Anthony is the one who pushed Casey over the edge into insanity, if in fact she did grab Casey by the throat on the night of (I think) June 15, 2008.

[Joan Weiss]

Remember cynthia actually did say that she tucked casey and caylee into bed. I thought then it was a lie. I wonder if LE will ever call the anthonys on these transparent lies?

I am glad Dr. Kobilinsky is on the defense, at least he is an ethical man, imo and not like other forensic experts we have seen in recent cases:

the ketchup king and michael baden, who actually rolled up to the stand and testified that a body can still move an hour after death, during the spector trial.Working for the defense of a baby killer? I don't think so. :(

This is where Dr. Koby and I part ways. He lost me. imo

[crymeariver2006]

Jose always uses the fax machine, what's up with that?

The fax is from the PR firm (in Tennessee). The same PR firm that called Baez "her (Casey's) high profile defense attorney".

They send faxes so they can't see the recipients laughing their a$$es off when they read them.

:D

[desmom]

What really bugs me is that IIRC, LE never asked her where she was going everyday after regularly dropping Caylee off at "Zanny's" even though they stated they knew she had not worked at Universal for 2 years! :confused:

Maybe LE did ask, but opted to not release those pages of the interview.

IMO, there are a lot of things not in the 400 pages that I expected to see...i.e. George, Cindy & Lee's interviews.

[Pooh]

Kobilinsky may not ever be called to the witness stand. He may not have anything to say that will help the defense.
Thanks for pointing this out. I had been upset about this but am not so much now. :)

[shelbar53]

Shelbar53, did Padilla say how he got the information about Cindy grabbing Casey around the neck?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

no I did not hear him who told him just that it was ugly fight and he does NOT believe casey and caylee spent the night there on june 15th

[jbellaj]

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I think important is the correct word. It should always be about her. Remember her statement on phone about all you are worried about is Caylee, what about me. She needs to be in the limelight and needs a lot of attention.

That phone call was very telling to me and ITA with your post. JMO

[day2day]

The fax is from the PR firm (in Tennessee). The same PR firm that called Baez "her (Casey's) high profile defense attorney".

They send faxes so they can't see the recipients laughing their a$$es off when they read them.

:D

:lol:Absolutely!!!

[Armchairdet]

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I think important is the correct word. It should always be about her. Remember her statement on phone about all you are worried about is Caylee, what about me. She needs to be in the limelight and needs a lot of attention.

It is just that it was hard for me to type important an Casey in the same sentence.

That statement about all you are worried about is Caylee, then trying to correct it by saying 'and I am too' or something really got to me. It is like it was an afterthought. Like she knew a normal person would say that, but forgot that during the first part of the statement.

[crymeariver2006]

Maybe LE did ask, but opted to not release those pages of the interview.

IMO, there are a lot of things not in the 400 pages that I expected to see...i.e. George, Cindy & Lee's interviews.

That's where all the lies will surface. They questioned them all separately.

Those will be held till trial IMO.

[Joan Weiss]

ITA. And I think that Cindy Anthony is the one who pushed Casey over the edge into insanity, if in fact she did grab Casey by the throat on the night of (I think) June 15, 2008.Only Casey is responsible for Caylee's disappearance. Imo, Casey is not insane, she would not have been let out on bail.

Maybe Caylee's disappearance is a knee-jerk reaction from the "odious creature" who had to give it back worse than she got. Maybe it's an endless game to "one up" each other, Cindy versus Casey.

Remember the jail house call. That was pretty nasty. imo

[shelbar53]

Nancy sort of posed the question to Kolby about why the defense needed a forensics expert and he started off on the tangent about handwriting analysis etc in regards to the fraud charges. He rather sidestepped the question, I thought, because he is not a handwriting expert.
I think she was asking him, why did they hire him..the charges are only for fraud and neglect. murder charges have NOT been filed. trying to make him spill the beans on pending murder charges

[jbellaj]

He will definitely be held to scrutiny on the witness stand.

imo

There is no don't about it, those tapes WILL be brought into evidence to discredit him. JMO

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I hope we get some news today on caylee. I think ng show told us more than we have really heard about casey. She sounds like she is a very sick girl now. Casey would have been better of if she had stayed with jesse. He loved her and caylee. He would have taken care of her and caylee but no she had to get away from him to do her own thing. jmho everyone have a very good day.:rose:

[Rayosunshine]

Just copied this from the links thread:

July 3 Cindy posted this on Myspace
Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don't know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother's love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

Odd that Cindy considered Caylee missing when she wrote this entry dated 7/3. Especially since she claimed she spoke to Casey and they tex'd each other almost every day.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[crymeariver2006]

Only Casey is responsible for Caylee's disappearance. Imo, Casey is not insane, she would not have been let out on bail.

Maybe Caylee's disappearance is a knee-jerk reaction from the "odious creature" who had to give it back worse than she got. Maybe it's an endless game to "one up" each other, Cindy versus Casey.

Remember the jail house call. That was pretty nasty. imo

Ryan also used the "one up" in describing Casey. No matter what you had done, she always had one better.

Anything you can do, I can do better; I can do anything better than you....

[Joan Weiss]

Just copied this from the links thread:

July 3 Cindy posted this on Myspace
Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don't know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother's love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel? Thanks, bar. "...lots of money..." Hmmm... How much is lots of money to Cindy? $45,000 in credit card debt? Then how much from GP's account?

imo

[101Spots]

There is no don't about it, those tapes WILL be brought into evidence to discredit him. JMO

I have visions of every prosecutor in the Florida legal community lining up to get a crack at trying this case. So many lies so easily proven as lies, so many "gotcha" moments to come .......

It's a lovely vision, really.

[Rayosunshine]

no I did not hear him who told him just that it was ugly fight and he does NOT believe casey and caylee spent the night there on june 15th

K, thanks.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[day2day]

I cant stand that word any more.
:no::tongue:

Errr...sorry mom!! I will try (realllly hard) not to say it again!!

[Snoopy50]

Thanks, bar. "...lots of money..." Hmmm... How much is lots of money to Cindy? $45,000 in credit card debt? Then how much from GP's account?

imo
More than 23 cents?:shrug:

[Lostgirl]

Shelbar53, did Padilla say how he got the information about Cindy grabbing Casey around the neck?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

He said Cindy told him

(sorry if someone else already answered my puter is lagging)

[barskin&co.]

She also could have put her in a trash bag, then in a dumpster and Caylee is at the landfill. Afterall there is no record of Casey being seen with Caylee after 6/16. 31 days had already gone by before anyone knew she was missing and now if I'm correct we are on day 98. There would be very little to find of her now. JMO

Using June 17 as the first day since the last time Caylee has been seen, it is now 99 days since Caylee as has been seen. This is allowing that George did tell the truth when he said he saw Casey and Caylee leaving at 12:50 on June 16, of course, and many people don't believe that. However, since we can't say for sure that George lied, and we know that Caylee was with her GGF on June 15, I think we can only leave it at this timetable.

[Joan Weiss]

Ryan also used the "one up" in describing Casey. No matter what you had done, she always had one better.

Anything you can do, I can do better; I can do anything better than you....Yes, I had that in mind. The contest between the two was more important than Caylee. :rose:

imo

[hamebone]

Good question. We know Padilla wasn't THERE. So how does he know this?

PS- Good Morning. :seeya:

Rob Dick said Casey liked to talk alot. I wonder if Casey told him this while he was driving her to and from the lawyers office.

Morning all:seeya:

[desmom]

A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began.

The beginning of the down hill journey?

IMO, the lies and betrayal began a long, long time ago. Cindy just opted to ignore 'em or clean 'em up.

[crymeariver2006]

There is no don't about it, those tapes WILL be brought into evidence to discredit him. JMO

My favorite one will be when he said that the air testing by the Body Farm was very reliable and was not new science.

Then the ring that only forms on the hair of a deceased person will be my second.

[shelbar53]

Thanks! IMO Cindy didn't know anything at that point. George may have smelled the car on the 24th, but decided an animal died in it or something? I don't think they knew anything until they got casey home on 7/15. They must have suspected at that point. Perhaps they bought in to the zanny story (told to lee perhaps). Why did they search the yard I wonder? They definitely suspected casey at that point. Cindy probably couldn't wrap her head around that idea, and that's why she made that 3rd 911 call. JMO...
the 3rd 911 call is when cindy found out the "nanny" took caylee, said the car smelled like a dead body..i think she said that because the car was at a towing yard so cindy thought the nanny was last one with car, when she realized casey was last know to be with the car she changed her story to old pizza smell. I really think if cindy knew casey had the car before it was towed..she never would of reported the smell.

[trich]

Originally Posted by jbellaj
She also could have put her in a trash bag, then in a dumpster and Caylee is at the landfill. Afterall there is no record of Casey being seen with Caylee after 6/16. 31 days had already gone by before anyone knew she was missing and now if I'm correct we are on day 98. There would be very little to find of her now. JMO


I am convinced that is exactly what happened.
It is silly to think that Casey could not have done that herself.
She is fully capable of lifting 35 pounds and putting it in a dumpster.

[shelbar53]

Using June 17 as the first day since the last time Caylee has been seen, it is now 99 days since Caylee as has been seen. This is allowing that George did tell the truth when he said he saw Casey and Caylee leaving at 12:50 on June 16, of course, and many people don't believe that. However, since we can't say for sure that George lied, and we know that Caylee was with her GGF on June 15, I think we can only leave it at this timetable.

I thought clint house said casey stayed with them on june 15th, i have to go look for his interview.

[Rayosunshine]

He said Cindy told him

(sorry if someone else already answered my puter is lagging)


Would love to go back and listen to the bond hearing - to see if anything was asked about whether there were any problems. If it was denied and said all was hunky-dorey, wonder if that would be perjury?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Armchairdet]

For anyone that does not know, there is a special report every night this week on this case.


http://www.wesh.com/news/17529420/detail.html

[jbellaj]

Odd that Cindy considered Caylee missing when she wrote this entry dated 7/3. Especially since she claimed she spoke to Casey and they tex'd each other almost every day.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


That was my thought too when I first read it. She knew something was very wrong and I do not believe for one minute that she spoke to Casey every day. I do think she tried to contact her on a daily but Casey would not reply to her...didn't Casey instruct someone not to speak to her mother if ahe contacted them? JMO

[honibugs]

Cindy is just as much to blame for this tragedy as Casey. Cindy only wanted Caylee around when Cindy wanted her around, otherwise Casey would not have needed the ficticious ZHG. Cindy used Caylee to make herself feel better (by pointing out Casey as such a bad mother every chance she got, it made Cindy feel better about herself). She is only now supporting Casey out of guilt because she did not support Casey through her pregnancy and was not sympathetic to Casey’s plight as a single mother. In my opinion only.

[Joan Weiss]

Odd that Cindy considered Caylee missing when she wrote this entry dated 7/3. Especially since she claimed she spoke to Casey and they tex'd each other almost every day.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMomThat's a good point. So Cindy has perjured herself.

Love this board and all the great sleuths! imo

[barskin&co.]

There is no don't about it, those tapes WILL be brought into evidence to discredit him. JMO

Hey, let's hope he doesn't join the ranks of Dr. Henry "Ketchup Spit" Lee in trashing his reputation for a case. He may very well make his own tests and observations and conclude that he has found nothing that will help the defense and not testify at all.

[hamebone]

IMO, the lies and betrayal began a long, long time ago. Cindy just opted to ignore 'em or clean 'em up.


I agree, and she is only 22 years old. So her lies may have been excused as the bad teenage years. But as she step into adulthood, they became more serious. IMO.

I wish Cindy had turned her in for the monies she had stolen from the Gparents. Maybe Caylee would still be here if she had...

[martha]

He will definitely be held to scrutiny on the witness stand.

imo I could tell way back he was going on the defence side. He was saying just what casey;s lawyer wanted him to say. I knew when the trial started he would be on caseys side. Up until caseys lawyer got in touch with him he was talking in a different way. shows me he will say what ever he has to say to help the defence. jmho:rose:

[Rayosunshine]

For anyone that does not know, there is a special report every night this week on this case.


http://www.wesh.com/news/17529420/detail.html

Lagging ratings?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[SavannahStar]

Would love to go back and listen to the bond hearing - to see if anything was asked about whether there were any problems. If it was denied and said all was hunky-dorey, wonder if that would be perjury?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Speaking of the bond hearing, does anyone know if there is a written transcript? If so, can you post a link? I've looked through the links thread but may have missed it. A written transcript would be so helpful! TIA.

[Rayosunshine]

Am going to listen to the hearings.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[shelbar53]

He told Greta he couldn't remember for sure whether or not she slept at Tony's that night. The doc dump did not contain a statement from Clint.. right?
when was he on NG show...they didnt show his face, anyone remember the date or close to the date and i will search transcripts

[warrkat]

It sounds like I should've watched NG instead of DWTS last night, dang it.

From the sounds of it, the Grunds are decent people. Was it ever said why Jesse and Casey broke up?

brief O/T. I watched DWTS, too, and then caught NG's later broadcast. DWTS doesn't look very interesting this time around. I couldn't get enthused about anybody at all.

[Pooh]

That's a good point. So Cindy has perjured herself.

Love this board and all the great sleuths! imo
Me too, Joan. The minds here are amazing!

[desmom]

Using June 17 as the first day since the last time Caylee has been seen, it is now 99 days since Caylee as has been seen. This is allowing that George did tell the truth when he said he saw Casey and Caylee leaving at 12:50 on June 16, of course, and many people don't believe that. However, since we can't say for sure that George lied, and we know that Caylee was with her GGF on June 15, I think we can only leave it at this timetable.

I have a problem with George's stories...

A month after Casey and Caylee left at 12:50 p.m. on June 16, he remembers exactly what they wearing and exactly what he was watching.

The gas can stories..he does not know who stole the gas cans, the theft has been solved, the neighbor did it and then Casey did it. He describes the discovery of the cans with she saids, I said. It was like reading a "script" for a tv scene.

And then throw in his matter-of-fact grin and raised eyebrows.

It just makes it hard for me to believe his stories. jmo

[jbellaj]

I have visions of every prosecutor in the Florida legal community lining up to get a crack at trying this case. So many lies so easily proven as lies, so many "gotcha" moments to come .......

It's a lovely vision, really.

I just hope that they do indeed are going to have enough of hard evidence to charge her with murder and make it stick. IMO the current charges she has is enough to get her convicted. I can't believe they may actually try to dispute the check charges. She was caught on tape and she wrote a check to herself. Oh now their going to call in a handwriting expert. I know she is entittled to a fair trial and Baez has to defend her but come on. jmo

[hamebone]

Using June 17 as the first day since the last time Caylee has been seen, it is now 99 days since Caylee as has been seen. This is allowing that George did tell the truth when he said he saw Casey and Caylee leaving at 12:50 on June 16, of course, and many people don't believe that. However, since we can't say for sure that George lied, and we know that Caylee was with her GGF on June 15, I think we can only leave it at this timetable.


and you cant help but wonder if she had not ditched that car, would anyone know at day 99 Caylee was missing....99 days...so sad.

[MyrDawn]

My favorite one will be when he said that the air testing by the Body Farm was very reliable and was not new science.

Then the ring that only forms on the hair of a deceased person will be my second.

IMO, both those are gonna bite him in the you-know-where if he's put on the stand for the defense! :D

[crymeariver2006]

Thanks, LG. If it's true... I guess we can put to rest the notion that Cindy is coddling Casey through this. Wish we had a choking smilie.

IF it's true, she wasn't coddling her then.

Now, however, is a whole 'nother story.

[crymeariver2006]

I have a problem with George's stories...

A month after Casey and Caylee left at 12:50 p.m. on June 16, he remembers exactly what they wearing and exactly what he was watching.

The gas can stories..he does not know who stole the gas cans, the theft has been solved, the neighbor did it and then Casey did it. He describes the discovery of the cans with she saids, I said. It was like reading a "script" for a tv scene.

And then throw in his matter-of-fact grin and raised eyebrows.

It just makes it hard for me to believe his stories. jmo

Actually....

It was Cindy who reminded George of what he was watching on tv.

(When she was at work). :D

[Lostgirl]

Thanks, LG. If it's true... I guess we can put to rest the notion that Cindy is coddling Casey through this. Wish we had a choking smilie.

yes... thats the important part "if it's true"

I don't count on anything anymore cause it seems like almost everyone involved in this case lies like a rug or twists the wording to insinuate without actually saying

it makes me suspicious the way Padilla drips these things out one at a time... like juicy little tidbits that he's never mentioned before and it keeps him in demand for interviews.

someone needs to grab him by the throat :biggrin:

[barskin&co.]

Cindy is just as much to blame for this tragedy as Casey. Cindy only wanted Caylee around when Cindy wanted her around, otherwise Casey would not have needed the ficticious ZHG. Cindy used Caylee to make herself feel better (by pointing out Casey as such a bad mother every chance she got, it made Cindy feel better about herself). She is only now supporting Casey out of guilt because she did not support Casey through her pregnancy and was not sympathetic to Casey’s plight as a single mother. In my opinion only.

Well, actually, Cindy worked full time. Casey needed the imaginary services of Zenaida YaddaYadda Hyphen Yadda during the day when she was at also at work at her imaginary job as an event planner.
Casey lived rent and board free at her family's home. Her every bill was paid for her, including her cell phone bill, even though she told her parents she had a good job. The Anthonys paid for the food, clothes and medical bills for Caylee, as well as furnishing her a free home. I don't think Casey had any real "plight as a single mother."

[SavannahStar]

yes... thats the important part "if it's true"

I don't count on anything anymore cause it seems like almost everyone involved in this case lies like a rug or twists the wording to insinuate without actually saying

it makes me suspicious the way Padilla drips these things out one at a time... like juicy little tidbits that he's never mentioned before and it keeps him in demand for interviews.

someone needs to grab him by the throat :biggrin:

I take everything that Padilla says with a grain of salt.

[jakee]

Actually....

It was Cindy who reminded George of what he was watching on tv.

(When she was at work). :D


I thought that was strange. IMO

[jbellaj]

My favorite one will be when he said that the air testing by the Body Farm was very reliable and was not new science.

Then the ring that only forms on the hair of a deceased person will be my second.

Yes and there is no way he can backtrack on those two statements IMO. The only thing he may be able to do is say that he said that on NG show before he actually examined the evidence.

[redcard]

it makes me suspicious the way Padilla drips these things out one at a time... like juicy little tidbits that he's never mentioned before and it keeps him in demand for interviews.



He reminds me of Jossy Mansur from the NH case. Or Skeeters. And remember how much of what THEY said they had was true.

This is why shows such as NG and Dr. Phil are BAD for this country and this case. You get people who will do ANYTHING to get themselves involved and get their 15 minutes, and it just doesn't help the victim.

[MyrDawn]

Actually....

It was Cindy who reminded George of what he was watching on tv.

(When she was at work). :D

I believe Cindy told him what was on TV at that time, rather than reminding him what he was watching. JMO

[day2day]

Well, actually, Cindy worked full time. Casey needed the imaginary services of Zenaida YaddaYadda Hyphen Yadda during the day when she was at also at work at her imaginary job as an event planner.
Casey lived rent and board free at her family's home. Her every bill was paid for her, including her cell phone bill, even though she told her parents she had a good job. The Anthonys paid for the food, clothes and medical bills for Caylee, as well as furnishing her a free home. I don't think Casey had any real "plight as a single mother."

Casey didn't have the first clue what it is like to be a single mama. BUT maybe she was about to find out. And she wasn't liking the idea!

jmo

[Destini]

I never saw him on NG .. I saw him on Greta... and IIRC there is no statement from him in the doc dump.



VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So fast-forward again to Father's Day, June 15. You returned later that day. You think Casey spent the night there, that Sunday night. Do you remember waking up that next day, the day after Father's Day?

HOUSE: Yes, Monday for class.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you remember seeing Caylee?

HOUSE: No, Caylee was not -- like I said, Caylee never spent the night over there, so...

VAN SUSTEREN: How about Casey? Was Casey there that morning, if you remember?

HOUSE: I can't recall.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,403801,00.html

[Lostgirl]

Actually....

It was Cindy who reminded George of what he was watching on tv.

(When she was at work). :D

thats what got me when i watched the interview! LOL

it's his favorite show that he watches everyday so that's how he knew the EXACT time... but he fumble bumbled and said "uhhhh a cooking show"

if it's your favorite show that you watch religiously... wouldnt you just say... "I was watching the _______ show that i watch everyday at noon"?

and when Cindy anxiously pops in as he stumbled... i thought hmmmm what is she so antsy about... does she know that george isnt the best liar, lousy at improvisation and it's making her nervous?

[trich]

Just copied this from the links thread:

July 3 Cindy posted this on Myspace
Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don't know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother's love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?


This tells me that Cindy had not been able to see or talk to Caylee since the day Casey left the family home with her.
If she did hear/talk to Casey Casey certainy did not let her talk to Caylee and probably told her she would not see her again.
I don't for a minute think that Cindy ever dreamed that Caylee was dead but only she did not know where she was and who might be watching out for her.
She states that Casey was jealous and she also states that she is a thief and a liar.
Knowing that why does she cover for Casey with all the lies and deceitful stories?
I will never understand how you could forgive anyone that behaved as that.

[jbellaj]

Originally Posted by jbellaj
She also could have put her in a trash bag, then in a dumpster and Caylee is at the landfill. Afterall there is no record of Casey being seen with Caylee after 6/16. 31 days had already gone by before anyone knew she was missing and now if I'm correct we are on day 98. There would be very little to find of her now. JMO


I am convinced that is exactly what happened.
It is silly to think that Casey could not have done that herself.
She is fully capable of lifting 35 pounds and putting it in a dumpster.


35 pounds is 35 pounds no matter how you look at it. She had no problem picking Caylee up before IMO

[honibugs]

Okay, I have a question: Where do you all think Caylee was when Casey told her friends (on many occasions) that Zenaida was watching her? With Cindy, or where?

[DiamondL'il]

I have a problem with George's stories...

A month after Casey and Caylee left at 12:50 p.m. on June 16, he remembers exactly what they wearing and exactly what he was watching.

The gas can stories..he does not know who stole the gas cans, the theft has been solved, the neighbor did it and then Casey did it. He describes the discovery of the cans with she saids, I said. It was like reading a "script" for a tv scene.

And then throw in his matter-of-fact grin and raised eyebrows.

It just makes it hard for me to believe his stories. jmo

I so agree with you on Georges body language! It was almost like listening to Rainman, with added facial expressions. Fast forward that appearance to his TRUE self that comes unglued when confronted without time allowed to rehearse his response and we can blatently see that this entire family has public and private personalities at the very least! Every one of them can "flip their script", pardon the pun, if they haven't had adequate rehearsal time to review how they THINK they should respond. I can only imagine the contortions if/when they are called to take the stand?

[GrandmaGA]

True, SS...Seems everything he say's, he gets from message boards.

If that is ture i hope he reads this. Shut Up and get a life! You are not helping find Caylee, all you are doing is making the whole case more confusing and one day YOU may be the one that needs a bond for telling so many stories and making it harder for anyone to find Caylee.

IMO if he had any REAL information he would report it to LE and keep his mug and his stories off TV.

I realize a lot of people are eating up his stories but I ask how do any of the stories find Caylee?

[MyrDawn]

Okay, I have a question: Where do you all think Caylee was when Casey told her friends (on many occasions) that Zenaida was watching her? With Cindy, or where?

I wouldn't be surprised if Caylee was drugged and in the trunk of Casey's car. Or, if it was after June 15th you mean, then I think Caylee was dead and disposed of by Casey. JMO

[Joan Weiss]

Originally Posted by jbellaj
She also could have put her in a trash bag, then in a dumpster and Caylee is at the landfill. Afterall there is no record of Casey being seen with Caylee after 6/16. 31 days had already gone by before anyone knew she was missing and now if I'm correct we are on day 98. There would be very little to find of her now. JMO


I am convinced that is exactly what happened.
It is silly to think that Casey could not have done that herself.
She is fully capable of lifting 35 pounds and putting it in a dumpster.LE already checked out the dumpster that was at the site of the abandoned car. The garbage truck that empties it has a GPS tracker, and LE was able to locate the exact dumpsite. That landfill has already been searched. I don't have a link for that, I can't recall where I got that info.

Of course, there could be another dumpster involved. I just don't think there is a dumpster involved in this case. I don't think LE is focused on that, either. They're focused on the cell phone pings, and what Casey was doing in those remote areas.

That's clear according to the areas Equusearch was directed to search by LE. imo

[steffaroob4]

I wonder what Cindy thinks of Padillla saying Lee needs to be given a paternity test where caylee is concerned?

OUCH! i bet she slammed a few holes in her walls with a hammer when that bomb dropped!


I have said it before and I will say it again, Padillla changes his stories daily. if casey gets found not guilty in court it will be because of his countless stories that Baez will use to muddy the water. Nothing that comes out of any of the mouths of the BH team will be any use to the prosecution, is will all be tainted by Padillla's many mistruths.
Padillla spends way too much time talking to bloggers, that is where he has gotten everyone of these crazy stories, even the "shocking" story about dumpster evidence.

[shelbar53]

I so agree with you on Georges body language! It was almost like listening to Rainman, with added facial expressions. Fast forward that appearance to his TRUE self that comes unglued when confronted without time allowed to rehearse his response and we can blatently see that this entire family has public and private personalities at the very least! Every one of them can "flip their script", pardon the pun, if they haven't had adequate rehearsal time to review how they THINK they should respond. I can only imagine the contortions if/when they are called to take the stand?
can you post a link to that video, i have ever watched it, or tell me where to find it? thanks

[hamebone]

Okay, I have a question: Where do you all think Caylee was when Casey told her friends (on many occasions) that Zenaida was watching her? With Cindy, or where?

You mean after June 15th or 16th?

I think caylee was dead shortly after June 15th.

[Joan Weiss]

I so agree with you on Georges body language! It was almost like listening to Rainman, with added facial expressions. Fast forward that appearance to his TRUE self that comes unglued when confronted without time allowed to rehearse his response and we can blatently see that this entire family has public and private personalities at the very least! Every one of them can "flip their script", pardon the pun, if they haven't had adequate rehearsal time to review how they THINK they should respond. I can only imagine the contortions if/when they are called to take the stand?Yes, I agree. Absolutely. imo

[honibugs]

What a coincidence, George watching his favorite cooking show and Laci watching Martha Stewart cook.

[Armchairdet]

I wouldn't be surprised if Caylee was drugged and in the trunk of Casey's car. JMO

If she was put in the trunk it was once. It was the first and last time. She would have said something to someone. 'I slept in the trunk'. 'Mommy put me in the trunk'. Casey could not have risked that. IMO

[Joan Weiss]

can you post a link to that video, i have ever watched it, or tell me where to find it? thanksIt was creepy. Scary, actually. imo

[jbellaj]

Hey, let's hope he doesn't join the ranks of Dr. Henry "Ketchup Spit" Lee in trashing his reputation for a case. He may very well make his own tests and observations and conclude that he has found nothing that will help the defense and not testify at all.


That ketchup spit was the weirdest thing that I have ever seen in a trial.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I have said it before and I will say it again, Padillla changes his stories daily. if casey gets found not guilty in court it will be because of his countless stories that Baez will use to muddy the water. Nothing that comes out of any of the mouths of the BH team will be any use to the prosecution, is will all be tainted by Padillla's many mistruths.
Padillla spends way too much time talking to bloggers, that is where he has gotten everyone of these crazy stories, even the "shocking" story about dumpster evidence.

I agree with you about Padilla and his information. If he doesn't have cold hard facts or proof to back up what he claims I don't see why he is still getting air time. Why do they keep asking him back? I don't know of anyone who likes listening to him ramble on with his theories from the net anyway?

[Joan Weiss]

If she was put in the trunk it was once. It was the first and last time. She would have said something to someone. 'I slept in the trunk'. 'Mommy put me in the trunk'. Casey could not have risked that. IMOGood point, Armchairdet.

[honibugs]

You mean after June 15th or 16th?

I think caylee was dead shortly after June 15th.


Actually, I am wondering where she was on the many occasions before this happened.

[SavannahStar]

If she was put in the trunk it was once. It was the first and last time. She would have said something to someone. 'I slept in the trunk'. 'Mommy put me in the trunk'. Casey could not have risked that. IMO


I agree. Not only that, somebody recently (I'm getting a bad case of CRS) said that Casey always had people watch Caylee. I'm not buying into any theory (without solid proof) that it was Casey's regular habit of leaving Caylee alone and/or drugged up when she went out partying.

[jbellaj]

I have a problem with George's stories...

A month after Casey and Caylee left at 12:50 p.m. on June 16, he remembers exactly what they wearing and exactly what he was watching.

The gas can stories..he does not know who stole the gas cans, the theft has been solved, the neighbor did it and then Casey did it. He describes the discovery of the cans with she saids, I said. It was like reading a "script" for a tv scene.

And then throw in his matter-of-fact grin and raised eyebrows.

It just makes it hard for me to believe his stories. jmo

I can't remember what I wore last week never mind a month ago. If something happened to me there is no way my hubby would be able to say what I was last wearing when he saw me, which I guess now a days would land him in jail.

[Joan Weiss]

I agree with you about Padilla and his information. If he doesn't have cold hard facts or proof to back up what he claims I don't see why he is still getting air time. Why do they keep asking him back? I don't know of anyone who likes listening to him ramble on with his theories from the net anyway?ITA, Rebel. Plagiarism. imo

[Lostgirl]

Rob Dick said Casey liked to talk alot. I wonder if Casey told him this while he was driving her to and from the lawyers office.

Morning all:seeya:

I wonder if maybe this is one of the things that the lady who works for Padilla heard about when she was in the house?

The whole situation with her is so strange, all cloak and dagger....why it's being handled so mysteriously?

maybe Padilla is twisting it and sayng Cindy told him?

arrgh! these people all drive me nuts :tongue:

JMO

[MyrDawn]

If she was put in the trunk it was once. It was the first and last time. She would have said something to someone. 'I slept in the trunk'. 'Mommy put me in the trunk'. Casey could not have risked that. IMO

Not if she was already out when Casey put her there, and took her out before she came to. But, more likely, if it was before June 15th, Caylee was probably at G&C's house. After June 15th, dead.

[Joan Weiss]

If a person wanted to get rid of a dead body and was living in that Florida region, why would they not just dump it in the swamps for the alligators to dispose of?:rolleyes:I'm having a hard time with that...Just can't believe it. :(

[barskin&co.]

Okay, I have a question: Where do you all think Caylee was when Casey told her friends (on many occasions) that Zenaida was watching her? With Cindy, or where?

Well, actually, she never told her friends that "Zenaida" was watching Caylee; it was always "Zanny" or "Zanny the nanny," and she was supposed to be taking care of her when Casey was at her imaginary job.
Since she didn't actually work at her imaginary job, she didn't need her imaginary services. During the period of June 16 - July 15, when she told her friends Caylee was with the "nanny," she was, IMO, dead.

[Joan Weiss]

I agree. Not only that, somebody recently (I'm getting a bad case of CRS) said that Casey always had people watch Caylee. I'm not buying into any theory (without solid proof) that it was Casey's regular habit of leaving Caylee alone and/or drugged up when she went out partying.I don't believe that, either.

[DiamondL'il]

can you post a link to that video, i have ever watched it, or tell me where to find it? thanks

It was posted earlier in this thread. I just re reviewed it. I hope you'll watch it and comment as well because it sent my hinky meter thru the roof. I can almost bet the farm that George NEVER took an acting class? (that he passed anyway?)

[redcard]

One thing does concern me here.

Criminals tend to not change their "behavior." They are either very smart, or very dumb, or sometimes in between.

But they tend to maintain on the course that they start on throughout the entirety of the case.

Take, for example, Hans Reiser. An extremely intelligent man who was beligerant. To the point that his own mouth likely talked himself into a first degree murder conviction. Nina Reiser's body was quite literally under a mile from his house, in a place the police searched multiple times.

But now, look at Casey. People here alledge she was smart enough to plan and execute a first degree murder, and hide the body, but that she's stupid enough to kite a check on camera.

That she's smart enough to avoid police and hide her missing kid from a cop boyfriend.. but dumb enough to leave chloroform searches on her computer.

Smart enough to clean up and hide where the murder occurs from three seprate search dogs, dumb enough to not clean up the trunk enough.

I'm not saying I believe her story, because there are too many lies. It's just.. I'm beginning to think that Casey may not be the principal actor here.

[Rebel Rouzer]

ITA, Rebel. Plagiarism. imo


Of course we are all sitting here on a message board trying to figure things out and give opinions and ideas with the facts that we get, BUT We aren't on TV news shows nightly trying to make the public believe one thing and then another then another etc. If he wants to theorize then he should stick to posting on a message board and not make the rounds on every show he can get his mug on. IMO

[hamebone]

I wonder if maybe this is one of the things that the lady who works for Padilla heard about when she was in the house?

The whole situation with her is so strange, all cloak and dagger....why it's being handled so mysteriously?

maybe Padilla is twisting it and sayng Cindy told him?

arrgh! these people all drive me nuts :tongue:

JMO

I have been thinking maybe the lady in the house was actually LE...a plant.

[Lostgirl]

can you post a link to that video, i have ever watched it, or tell me where to find it? thanks

do you mean the one where Greta talks to GC about the 16th?

it's here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYy30_Jxx1c

[DiamondL'il]

It was creepy. Scary, actually. imo

Joan, could you post the link for SHELBAR? I am honestly, and obviously new to this game:shrug:

[Tessie]

Updated one minute ago!!

State atty releases 600 pages of new documents in the Caylee case!


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

Good Morning all,

Thank YOU!!!

[SavannahStar]

Updated one minute ago!!

State atty releases 600 pages of new documents in the Caylee case!


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

Wow, you are GREAT with new info and links. TYVM!

[Rebel Rouzer]

Does anyone know when Mark Nejame intends to start working on George & Cindy's public 'image?'

Did I miss it?

Of course he was only hired to help the Anthony's deal with the media and understand the legal aspects of what is going on but most of all he was hired to help find Caylee. :rolleyes: What a crock.

Hi Landie :seeya:

[Destini]

can you post a link to that video, i have ever watched it, or tell me where to find it? thanks

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2963775&referralPlaylistId=playlist

[Lostgirl]

I have been thinking maybe the lady in the house was actually LE...a plant.

that would sure account for all the mystery ... good point

[Rebel Rouzer]

Updated one minute ago!!

State atty releases 600 pages of new documents in the Caylee case!


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

Thank you much.

Can't wait to read these. :read:

[barskin&co.]

One thing does concern me here.

Criminals tend to not change their "behavior." They are either very smart, or very dumb, or sometimes in between.

But they tend to maintain on the course that they start on throughout the entirety of the case.

Take, for example, Hans Reiser. An extremely intelligent man who was beligerant. To the point that his own mouth likely talked himself into a first degree murder conviction. Nina Reiser's body was quite literally under a mile from his house, in a place the police searched multiple times.

But now, look at Casey. People here alledge she was smart enough to plan and execute a first degree murder, and hide the body, but that she's stupid enough to kite a check on camera.

That she's smart enough to avoid police and hide her missing kid from a cop boyfriend.. but dumb enough to leave chloroform searches on her computer.

Smart enough to clean up and hide where the murder occurs from three seprate search dogs, dumb enough to not clean up the trunk enough.

I'm not saying I believe her story, because there are too many lies. It's just.. I'm beginning to think that Casey may not be the principal actor here.

Casey was never that smart. She is certainly no criminal mastermind. She has always been the typical sociopath. She just doesn't care. She doesn't make plans. I see no evidence at all of the involvement anyone else, outside of her own family, of course.

[steffaroob4]

Updated one minute ago!!

State atty releases 600 pages of new documents in the Caylee case!


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

WOW!!! Thanks;)

[MyrDawn]

Updated one minute ago!!

State atty releases 600 pages of new documents in the Caylee case!


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

I don't see anything on that website that says all 600 pages are "new" documents. It just says "The State Attorney's Office has released nearly 600 of pages of documents in the case against Casey Anthony, the mother of missing 3-year-old Caylee Marie."

I wonder if that's including the 400 released before or if there really are 600 new pages.

[barskin&co.]

Updated one minute ago!!

State atty releases 600 pages of new documents in the Caylee case!


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

Aaaaarrrrggghh!!! Can't wait!

[Velouria]

Hey, let's hope he doesn't join the ranks of Dr. Henry "Ketchup Spit" Lee in trashing his reputation for a case. He may very well make his own tests and observations and conclude that he has found nothing that will help the defense and not testify at all.

Oh yes, Henry Lee. :rolleyes: I'm not sure Dr. Kobilinsky could ever outdo him in the area of "scientific" BS. I lost ALL respect for him way back during OJ I, and will never forget that "fresh footprint" he found in the cement sidewalk.

[Acorn]

Updated one minute ago!!

State atty releases 600 pages of new documents in the Caylee case!


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

Thanks Swarovski!

[101Spots]

Updated one minute ago!!

State atty releases 600 pages of new documents in the Caylee case!


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

There goes the rest of my week...........

[barskin&co.]

I don't see anything on that website that says all 600 pages are "new" documents. It just says "The State Attorney's Office has released nearly 600 of pages of documents in the case against Casey Anthony, the mother of missing 3-year-old Caylee Marie."

I wonder if that's including the 400 released before or if there really are 600 new pages.

Okay, Miss Wet Blanket. You're right. It may only be 200 pages. Maybe it will include test results!

[Pooh]

Oh yes, Henry Lee. :rolleyes: I'm not sure Dr. Kobilinsky could ever outdo him in the area of "scientific" BS. I lost ALL respect for him way back during OJ I, and will never forget that "fresh footprint" he found in the cement sidewalk.
Thanks for posting that!! I was thinking the SAME THING about "Dr." Lee. He might have a scientific mind but he has NO common sense. imo

[hamebone]

I agree.
The night of the 15th of June by some unverified accounts... there was a blow up at Casa Anthony.
Let's just say Casey left with Caylee.
She drove around or...sat in the car with Caylee trying to figure out her next move..Caylee fell asleep in the carseat?
She didn't want to go back to her parents' house.
She decided to go crash at Tony's .. BUT Caylee had NEVER spent the night there... and maybe she thought Tony felt that would be inapproriate. If Caylee was asleep and it was late...
So just this once she thought. I'll leave her in the car and get up early ....and she found Caylee dead in the morning.
This would possiblly expalin the lies about dates.
If the Anthony's thought back a bit... the 15th was a BAD night.
They allowed Casey to leave in a "state".. with Caylee.
Let's take the focus OFF of the 15th and say it was the 9th.
The George CLAIMS to have seen them both Monday the 16th..
AGAIN... moving the focus from the 15th by disallowing the fact that anything terrible happened that night.

ETA- She put her in the trunk on the morning of the 16th.
Maybe buried or hid her in the A's yard. (covered sandbox)?
Went on the 17th to move her (shovel) OR that was the day she TRIED to bury here there in the yard.
drove around again with the body in the trunk until she found a permanent spot
Final dump on or before the 27th.
Car abandoned.


JMO.. too much coffee?


I think that could very well be close to what happened.

[Velouria]

Updated one minute ago!!

State atty releases 600 pages of new documents in the Caylee case!


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/


Gee Swarovski, you HAD to go and post that just as I was about to drag myself off the computer and get some housework done! :D

[barskin&co.]

Does anyone know when Mark Nejame intends to start working on George & Cindy's 'public image?'

Did I miss it?

Any minute, now! I'm sure. It will happen. Soon. Just you wait.

[MyrDawn]

Okay, Miss Wet Blanket. You're right. It may only be 200 pages. Maybe it will include test results!

Ohhhh, it would be awesome if it included test results! Dare I hope?

[Armchairdet]

Gee Swarovski, you HAD to go and post that just as I was about to drag myself off the computer and get some housework done! :D

Me too. Ok, one more day of getting nothing done won't matter in the grand scheme of things I suppose.

But that's it...then I am leaving.

[day2day]

There goes the rest of my week...........

I was just thinkin the same thing!

[hamebone]

Thank you much.

Can't wait to read these. :read:

I didnt see the link for the documents here..

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

is there another link?

[redcard]

Casey was never that smart. She is certainly no criminal mastermind. She has always been the typical sociopath. She just doesn't care. She doesn't make plans. I see no evidence at all of the involvement anyone else, outside of her own family, of course.

That's the grand question, though. Females are far less likely to be sociopaths under both anti-social and dissocial personality disorders. Are we sure she's a sociopath?

There's really no such thing as a typical sociopath, though, they're all so untypical.

If she's REALLY winging it and hasn't planned this ahead, then that should be her undoing.

[kennedy06]

Thanks for the links everyone has provided. All these adults playing games, sometimes it feels like only members of the public are really interested in finding her. JMO

[jbellaj]

When my oldest was 6 years old, he did not come home from school
right away. I lived three house down from the school. I was panicked!
I called 911 right away. The police came and askedme what he was wearing...I could not remember I was so shaken, and I dressed him that morning. I tried so hard to remember and I just couldn't...and I turn around and here he comes walking up. LOL, I looked at the police and shouted what he was wearing and ran to my son. Never ever did he go to a friends after school again!


I'm sure it wasn't funny at the time but you did give me a chuckle this morning..:D

[warrkat]

Updated one minute ago!!

State atty releases 600 pages of new documents in the Caylee case!


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

Oh, Great! Just when the OJ courtroom went live. LOL.

Thanks.

[Tessie]

Okay, Miss Wet Blanket. You're right. It may only be 200 pages. Maybe it will include test results!

I think they must be new, simply because Baez requested and / but is this the first time he has? Wasn't it one of the papers that requested the first document release?

[Rebel Rouzer]

I didnt see the link for the documents here..

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

is there another link?

I looked for the link on that site and couldn't find the documents. Maybe they don't have them up just yet?:shrug:

[Lostgirl]

I agree.
The night of the 15th of June by some unverified accounts... there was a blow up at Casa Anthony.
Let's just say Casey left with Caylee.
She drove around or...sat in the car with Caylee trying to figure out her next move..Caylee fell asleep in the carseat?
She didn't want to go back to her parents' house.
She decided to go crash at Tony's .. BUT Caylee had NEVER spent the night there... and maybe she thought Tony felt that would be inapproriate. If Caylee was asleep and it was late...
So just this once she thought. I'll leave her in the car and get up early ....and she found Caylee dead in the morning.
This would possiblly expalin the lies about dates.
If the Anthony's thought back a bit... the 15th was a BAD night.
They allowed Casey to leave in a "state".. with Caylee.
Let's take the focus OFF of the 15th and say it was the 9th.
The George CLAIMS to have seen them both Monday the 16th..
AGAIN... moving the focus from the 15th by disallowing the fact that anything terrible happened that night.

JMO.. too much coffee?

I'm thinking more and more that you're either dead on the money or very very close!

I tried to think of other scenarios of how, why, where she might have killed Caylee and i kept coming back to it being something like you've described.

It's the only thing that makes sense to me

[jill collins]

Yes, I am aware that you have to go before a judge to get him to sign a warrant granting a wiretapping device, it is not unheard of and I highly doubt they would be making it front page news, however I could be wrong. I have also heard a panel on Nancy Grace all in agreement that the home is more than likely bugged, you can bet they have put tracking software in the computer, and that all phone conversations are being listened to, I thought it was a given, but forgive me if I am wrong!


But does anyone know that if they obtain a warrant for a sound device they have to disclose that to the world, I really don't think so. seems like that would defeat the whole purpose and be insane. moo

I will need the LINK to that Nancy Grace transcript please. Of course it would not be frontpage news and there really is no need to be sarcastic since you are the one implying the government can and does "bug" the homes of citizens based on strong suspicion someone is not telling the truth.

[MyrDawn]

When it first posted it sounded to me, like new documents were released. Could be the headline is misleading. Don't know.

We should find out soon enough. Even it it's 200 new pages, they should prove quite interesting! Oh, and thanks for the link! I'm sorry, I was so excited about new documents I forgot to thank you before! :seeya:

[trich]

One thing does concern me here.

Criminals tend to not change their "behavior." They are either very smart, or very dumb, or sometimes in between.

But they tend to maintain on the course that they start on throughout the entirety of the case.

Take, for example, Hans Reiser. An extremely intelligent man who was beligerant. To the point that his own mouth likely talked himself into a first degree murder conviction. Nina Reiser's body was quite literally under a mile from his house, in a place the police searched multiple times.

But now, look at Casey. People here alledge she was smart enough to plan and execute a first degree murder, and hide the body, but that she's stupid enough to kite a check on camera.

That she's smart enough to avoid police and hide her missing kid from a cop boyfriend.. but dumb enough to leave chloroform searches on her computer.

Smart enough to clean up and hide where the murder occurs from three seprate search dogs, dumb enough to not clean up the trunk enough.

I'm not saying I believe her story, because there are too many lies. It's just.. I'm beginning to think that Casey may not be the principal actor here.


Well Scott Pertson had everyone fooled until he killed his wife and unborn child....everyone thought he was just the greatese including his girl friend.
Ted Bundy if I remember had people believing he was the nicest guy.
those are just a couple off the top of my head.
How many times have you read about some guy or girl who turned out to be killers and people that knew them were amazed that they could have done such a thing.
Don't underestimate Casey's capability of her lies, theirvery and what I believe was the death of her own child.
She lived in a fantasy world and reality is catching up with her.

[shelbar53]

It was creepy. Scary, actually. imo

Thanks, i found the video. george had weird expressions and he almost slipped up and said news...i think that is when he last saw casey and caylee when he was watching the news on the 15th. and how could cindy forget it was fathers day.werent there fathers day cards around? or does she buy them every weekend?

[Armchairdet]

Thanks, i found the video. george had weird expressions and he almost slipped up and said news...i think that is when he last saw casey and caylee when he was watching the news on the 15th. and how could cindy forget it was fathers day.werent there fathers day cards around? or does she buy them every weekend?

Which link please?

[redcard]

Generally, on a wiretap, you are listening for specific things.

You can't record all conversations. Just pertinent ones or ones involving the target. If , for example, you have an investigation and you've obtained a wiretap on person A for drug sales, and you hear person B in the house on the phone calling a pizza place, you have a limited amount of time you can record before you stop recording and stop listening to the call.

That time varies by state, and varies by investigation type and wiretap warrant.

It also goes without saying that communications between lawyers and clients are automatically privelleged and cannot be recorded/used in court.

[Joan Weiss]

Updated one minute ago!!

State atty releases 600 pages of new documents in the Caylee case!


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/Wow! Thank you! :hat:

[steffaroob4]

Darn, when I get home from work I will be reading until midnight again. hammerWell, we wanted something to happen.

Lol, I am so glad I got some new glasses, at least I won't have sore eyes this time.
I am so excited, it says family interviews!

[marshmallow]

Casey didn't have the first clue what it is like to be a single mama. BUT maybe she was about to find out. And she wasn't liking the idea!

jmo

if Casey is the person responsible for death and it wasn't an accident like unattended swimming. I'm afraid that I can see a possibility that Casey might've snapped and lashed out, harming Caylee. Everything was going a bit sideways on her. She'd been caught stealing from her GG, Mom wasn't cutting her slack like she always had, new circle of pals and new boyfriend who were more active at night. Boyfriend didn't want Caylee sleeping over, friends making comments about her not bringing Caylee to parties and poker games, Amy's alleged sleepwalking shown as a lie, the house not really being her's so she and Amy have no real future place to live, a huge blow up with the 'rents, maybe Cindy snapped too, Casey grabbing her only weapon to hurt them with... Caylee and saying something like "fine, we're gone and you're never seeing us again".
And at some point with all this rattling around in her head, possibly Caylee says something or cries for Grandma, and yes, I do think it's possibly that Casey lashed out. No excuse though.

I had a hard time trying to imagine Casey losing it that way. But now seeing the tempers shared by the other family members (and yes, some was provoked) and getting a broader view of Casey's self created house of cards. She had a mess and I still can't see her premeditating Caylee's demise but I can see her snapping.

[Joan Weiss]

Generally, on a wiretap, you are listening for specific things.

You can't record all conversations. Just pertinent ones or ones involving the target. If , for example, you have an investigation and you've obtained a wiretap on person A for drug sales, and you hear person B in the house on the phone calling a pizza place, you have a limited amount of time you can record before you stop recording and stop listening to the call.

That time varies by state, and varies by investigation type and wiretap warrant.

It also goes without saying that communications between lawyers and clients are automatically privelleged and cannot be recorded/used in court.Um...I think they may be recorded accidentally, LE may even listen to them, but they cannot be used in court. imo

[shelbar53]

Well Scott Pertson had everyone fooled until he killed his wife and unborn child....everyone thought he was just the greatese including his girl friend.
Ted Bundy if I remember had people believing he was the nicest guy.
those are just a couple off the top of my head.
How many times have you read about some guy or girl who turned out to be killers and people that knew them were amazed that they could have done such a thing.
Don't underestimate Casey's capability of her lies, theirvery and what I believe was the death of her own child.
She lived in a fantasy world and reality is catching up with her.

yes its always the nice quiet guy that is the serial killer, never the loud mouth drunk that lives next door.

[happy2bme]

Well Scott Pertson had everyone fooled until he killed his wife and unborn child....everyone thought he was just the greatese including his girl friend.
Ted Bundy if I remember had people believing he was the nicest guy.
those are just a couple off the top of my head.
How many times have you read about some guy or girl who turned out to be killers and people that knew them were amazed that they could have done such a thing.
Don't underestimate Casey's capability of her lies, theirvery and what I believe was the death of her own child.
She lived in a fantasy world and reality is catching up with her.

BTK comes to mind on having people fooled...What was his name Dennis Radar?

[Joan Weiss]

Thanks, i found the video. george had weird expressions and he almost slipped up and said news...i think that is when he last saw casey and caylee when he was watching the news on the 15th. and how could cindy forget it was fathers day.werent there fathers day cards around? or does she buy them every weekend?Well, that's a tease, lol...

Do you have a link?

[steffaroob4]

Okay, Miss Wet Blanket. You're right. It may only be 200 pages. Maybe it will include test results!

No, I bet it is 600 new ones, the old set was stuff from very early on, there is 2 months of stuff that they have been investigating, so I vote 600 new ones:read:

[Joan Weiss]

BTK comes to mind on having people fooled...What was his name Dennis Radar?Absolutely. That's Rader...

[redcard]

Um...I think they may be recorded accidentally, LE may even listen to them, but they cannot be used in court. imo

Well, of course.

But then evidence obtained by them is inadmissible too. Fruits of the poisoned tree.

You'd have to prove inevitability of discovery, and most judges come down VERY hard on people who use what are illegal wiretaps (even if accidental) to obtain information that leads to evidence.

[Joan Weiss]

No, I bet it is 600 new ones, the old set was stuff from very early on, there is 2 months of stuff that they have been investigating, so I vote 600 new ones:read:Me, toooooooooooooo ;)

[Joan Weiss]

Well, of course.

But then evidence obtained by them is inadmissible too. Fruits of the poisoned tree.

You'd have to prove inevitability of discovery, and most judges come down VERY hard on people who use what are illegal wiretaps (even if accidental) to obtain information that leads to evidence.mmmm hmmmm...just wanted to point that out. They can't, of course, intentionally record them, but I suspect sometimes when that happens, it's very helpful in solving the crime. I'm sure they know how to put the case together without pointing to those recordings. imo

[101Spots]

No, I bet it is 600 new ones, the old set was stuff from very early on, there is 2 months of stuff that they have been investigating, so I vote 600 new ones:read:

Either way, DH will be sleeping by himself tonight.

[day2day]

if Casey is the person responsible for death and it wasn't an accident like unattended swimming. I'm afraid that I can see a possibility that Casey might've snapped and lashed out, harming Caylee. Everything was going a bit sideways on her. She'd been caught stealing from her GG, Mom wasn't cutting her slack like she always had, new circle of pals and new boyfriend who were more active at night. Boyfriend didn't want Caylee sleeping over, friends making comments about her not bringing Caylee to parties and poker games, Amy's alleged sleepwalking shown as a lie, the house not really being her's so she and Amy have no real future place to live, a huge blow up with the 'rents, maybe Cindy snapped too, Casey grabbing her only weapon to hurt them with... Caylee and saying something like "fine, we're gone and you're never seeing us again".
And at some point with all this rattling around in her head, possibly Caylee says something or cries for Grandma, and yes, I do think it's possibly that Casey lashed out. No excuse though.

I had a hard time trying to imagine Casey losing it that way. But now seeing the tempers shared by the other family members (and yes, some was provoked) and getting a broader view of Casey's self created house of cards. She had a mess and I still can't see her premeditating Caylee's demise but I can see her snapping.

I really would love to know the dates on Casey's computer for the chloroform searches. And exactly what she was searching and IF she purchased chloroform and if so -how did she pay for it.

IMO she used Cindy's credit card. I think that is why Cindy said someone "stole her identity". This case is a mess. Noone tells the truth..and all we get are drops of info here and there.

I don't think Casey's friends really wanted or needed Caylee around. I agree..Casey's life was crashing in on her..and IF what LP says is true..she had her back against the wall.

jmo:rose:

[trich]

I'm having a hard time with that...Just can't believe it. :(


I don't for a minute believe that Casey was tramping around in the swamps or any other woodsy or grassy place with Caylee's body.
I am still thinking she is in a landfill because there are lots of dumpsters around Orlando and other places.


If you can have a cell phone in your purse or pocket and it is not used
or if it is turned off does it still ping?

Wonder if she could have put poor Caylee in the garbage close to the house.

Considering no one knew she was missing for over 30 days .

[MyrDawn]

yes its always the nice quiet guy that is the serial killer, never the loud mouth drunk that lives next door.

John Wayne Gacy comes to mind, too.

[Joan Weiss]

Well Scott Pertson had everyone fooled until he killed his wife and unborn child....everyone thought he was just the greatese including his girl friend.
Ted Bundy if I remember had people believing he was the nicest guy.
those are just a couple off the top of my head.
How many times have you read about some guy or girl who turned out to be killers and people that knew them were amazed that they could have done such a thing.
Don't underestimate Casey's capability of her lies, theirvery and what I believe was the death of her own child.
She lived in a fantasy world and reality is catching up with her.Add Pamela Smart to the list.

[Joan Weiss]

John Wayne Gacy comes to mind, too.Yep. Everybody loved the charitable clown. imo

[Lilly12]

I'm disgusted with Dr. K. I was so impressed with him when he first appeared on NG. He's now gone to be a consultant for Casey's defense. :cuss:

That would be ok, except he is changing his tune, correct? ....... He is doing a 90 degree angle as of late....... And he would be lying, when he says heis impartial, all one has to do is go back to his earlier visists on the Nancy Grace show. .......I said last night, right now I detest him more then the Anthonys and that is saying something. moo

[shelbar53]

I don't for a minute believe that Casey was tramping around in the swamps or any other woodsy or grassy place with Caylee's body.
I am still thinking she is in a landfill because there are lots of dumpsters around Orlando and other places.


If you can have a cell phone in your purse or pocket and it is not used
or if it is turned off does it still ping?

Wonder if she could have put poor Caylee in the garbage close to the house.

If its your pocket and turned on..yes the pings will show up, ifs its turned off...i dont know. but the lesson is...if your gonna do something illegal...leavfe your cell phone at home

[Lostgirl]

Um...I think they may be recorded accidentally, LE may even listen to them, but they cannot be used in court. imo

I was trying to think of the name of the case where they wire tapped the parents house and taped them, then later played the tapes in court? or maybe just in a hearing? it was the baby Sabrina Aisenberg case.

All i recall is LE saying that they had tapes of the parents saying all this really incriminating stuff but when they played the tapes it was almost all static and what sounded like a TV show.

Wasn't that in florida?

[Joan Weiss]

Either way, DH will be sleeping by himself tonight.Dang, and I have work to do...:rolleyes:

[shelbar53]

Ok i was snooping around and I read that the last time it was announced about the 400 page doc being released it took about 2 hours to show up on the net.

[hamebone]

I was trying to think of the name of the case where they wire tapped the parents house and taped them, then later played the tapes in court? or maybe just in a hearing? it was the baby Sabrina Aisenberg case.

All i recall is LE saying that they had tapes of the parents saying all this really incriminating stuff but when they played the tapes it was almost all static and what sounded like a TV show.

Wasn't that in florida?

Sabrina Aisenberg case

[nutterbutter]

One thing does concern me here.

Criminals tend to not change their "behavior." They are either very smart, or very dumb, or sometimes in between.

But they tend to maintain on the course that they start on throughout the entirety of the case.

Take, for example, Hans Reiser. An extremely intelligent man who was beligerant. To the point that his own mouth likely talked himself into a first degree murder conviction. Nina Reiser's body was quite literally under a mile from his house, in a place the police searched multiple times.

But now, look at Casey. People here alledge she was smart enough to plan and execute a first degree murder, and hide the body, but that she's stupid enough to kite a check on camera.

That she's smart enough to avoid police and hide her missing kid from a cop boyfriend.. but dumb enough to leave chloroform searches on her computer.

Smart enough to clean up and hide where the murder occurs from three seprate search dogs, dumb enough to not clean up the trunk enough.

I'm not saying I believe her story, because there are too many lies. It's just.. I'm beginning to think that Casey may not be the principal actor here.

I am now wondering the same thing.
moo

[shelbar53]

I was trying to think of the name of the case where they wire tapped the parents house and taped them, then later played the tapes in court? or maybe just in a hearing? it was the baby Sabrina Aisenberg case.

All i recall is LE saying that they had tapes of the parents saying all this really incriminating stuff but when they played the tapes it was almost all static and what sounded like a TV show.

Wasn't that in florida?
sabrina was the little girls name cant remember the last name

[Rebel Rouzer]

Well Scott Pertson had everyone fooled until he killed his wife and unborn child....everyone thought he was just the greatese including his girl friend.
Ted Bundy if I remember had people believing he was the nicest guy.
those are just a couple off the top of my head.
How many times have you read about some guy or girl who turned out to be killers and people that knew them were amazed that they could have done such a thing.
Don't underestimate Casey's capability of her lies, theirvery and what I believe was the death of her own child.
She lived in a fantasy world and reality is catching up with her.


I agree and I also think she killed her child for her freedom to have the type of life style she wanted with no responsibilities. IMO

[Joan Weiss]

Oh, Great! Just when the OJ courtroom went live. LOL.

Thanks.Heeee....I refuse to watch OJ. Couldn't care less. barf

[shelbar53]

Do you watch the series "Dexter" ? ;)

i love dexter, waiting for season 2 to come out in video

[Joan Weiss]

I agree and I also think she killed her child for her freedom to have the type of life style she wanted with no responsibilities. IMOThe "beautiful life..."

[happy2bme]

Well, that's a tease, lol...

Do you have a link?

What stands out in my mind was one of the very first interviews GA gave. He did not want to talk about Casey at all. He would only discuss Caylee being missing. Anyone remember that? I can't remember what all he said exactly.

[day2day]

Do you watch the series "Dexter" ? ;)

I love Dexter...hammer

[MyrDawn]

Heeee....I refuse to watch OJ. Couldn't care less. barf

Same here. I'll wait for the verdict if I don't forget...don't want to waste time on the proceedings.

[Joan Weiss]

I looked for the link on that site and couldn't find the documents. Maybe they don't have them up just yet?:shrug:I hope I have a couple of hours to get my work done, lol...

[barskin&co.]

Dang, and I have work to do...:rolleyes:

Well, all I can say is, thank God, I'm currently unemployed!!....oh wait :(

[shelbar53]

It's already out . I bought it 2 months ago from Amazon

:eek: i didnt know that

[day2day]

This is what I want to know too. Maybe she got the statement with the charge from the lab supply company that the chloroform was purchased from? When did she report the ID theft, do you remember? I'm still at a loss about the chloroform. I have a hard time believing casey planned to kill Caylee with it. Maybe she planned to kill her parents before they found out about the GG theft, or to get the house for her and Amy? I have also suspected that she drugged Caylee on a regular basis (xanax), and maybe that script ran out and she was looking for some other means. I really hope we get some dates about this!

I thought that i had thought about everything in this case. YOU could very well be right. Maybe just maybe the chloroform was for George and Cindy. I do believe the zanny is xanax. IIRC Cindy claimed that someone stole her identity RIGHT before they hired Najeme...

I will go look! Thank you for rattling MY brain!

:seeya:

[SavannahStar]

I agree and I also think she killed her child for her freedom to have the type of life style she wanted with no responsibilities. IMO

I think many people agree with you but I have never bought that as a motive. She had plenty of freedom and her lifestyle, as evidence by all the pics, was just as she wanted it. She had her parents to watch Caylee anytime she wanted.

I don't see any motive, myself. Or at least any motive that completely satisfied ME. And that's exactly why I am still on the fence about murder vs. accident.

[MyrDawn]

Well, all I can say is, thank God, I'm currently unemployed!!....oh wait :(

Miss Wet Blanket is gonna go do her errands now. If they post the docs before I get back, save me a set. :biggrin:

[jill collins]

Well, of course.

But then evidence obtained by them is inadmissible too. Fruits of the poisoned tree.

You'd have to prove inevitability of discovery, and most judges come down VERY hard on people who use what are illegal wiretaps (even if accidental) to obtain information that leads to evidence.

Very good Redcard! It would be tossed. I was expecting someone to suggest that they did it on The Sopranos or Law & Order SVU so surely they can do it at the Anthony's home. I would suggest to all that unless members of the Anthony family are terrorism suspects, (debatable perhaps LOL) their home is not being bugged with the blessings of the Court based on the facts as we know them. In this fairy tale "bugging" scenario, one would wonder why the homes of so many other POIs have not been "bugged". Too many to list.

[day2day]

This is what I want to know too. Maybe she got the statement with the charge from the lab supply company that the chloroform was purchased from? When did she report the ID theft, do you remember? I'm still at a loss about the chloroform. I have a hard time believing casey planned to kill Caylee with it. Maybe she planned to kill her parents before they found out about the GG theft, or to get the house for her and Amy? I have also suspected that she drugged Caylee on a regular basis (xanax), and maybe that script ran out and she was looking for some other means. I really hope we get some dates about this!

September 3,2008

[st777jo]

Quoting myself because I want to add ......

The flurry of calls on the 17th...
She was at her parent's house.. decided she couldn't hide the body there. Maybe those calls.. she was trying to tell someone.. but nobody answered .. it was too late anyway.. how could she explain this now?

She kept repeating over and over that was the LAST TIME SHE SAW her daughter......Maybe the last time she SAW her meant that she was placed in something a bag of some kind?

When she moved her or opened the trunk I doubt she had a look at the body.
That's her truth. She never SAW her again.

And being put in a bag in a dumpster, she wouldn't know where she is in a landfill. jmo, jo

[Rebel Rouzer]

I hope I have a couple of hours to get my work done, lol...


Better hurry because when they do come out I'm sure the boards will be hoppin and the news channels will probably be broadcasting on thing concerning them If there really is new information in these documents. :D

[penguinlady]

I love Dexter...hammer


Me too! :beer:

K

[Lostgirl]

yep found it...


Every day, for nearly three months, from 7 a.m. to midnight, sheriff deputies listened and recorded thousands of private conversations going on in the Aisenberg home.

the story goes on and on... about the wire taps etc... very interesting

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/23/48hours/main703751.shtml

[Joan Weiss]

Well, all I can say is, thank God, I'm currently unemployed!!....oh wait :(Priorities...:biggrin:

[barskin&co.]

A cannibal serial killer who kills serial killers and a blood spatter expert. OMG who thought that one up :lol: but I 'm addicted to the show

Actually, Dexter isn't a cannibal, but he is a bood spatter expert by day - serial killer by night. The show was based on a novel named Darkly Dreaming Dexter.

[Joan Weiss]

Better hurry because when they do come out I'm sure the boards will be hoppin and the news channels will probably be broadcasting on thing concerning them If there really is new information in these documents. :DWhat could be more important than that, lol...

Wondering if Cindy and George will have more statements in there...

[snap4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYy30_Jxx1c

Just watched that video and I am baffled by Cindy's comment at the 4:38 mark...

"Thats Caylee, you know she just has that expression of ...you better behaive ...I have got my eye on you" tried to quote it exactly but may have missed something but, what a weird statement! Caylee was only two days old and she is saying something so weird.

I don't know I just found it odd, who has to behaive and why would a two day old need to keep her eye on anyone?

Anyone elese find it odd?

[Rebel Rouzer]

I think many people agree with you but I have never bought that as a motive. She had plenty of freedom and her lifestyle, as evidence by all the pics, was just as she wanted it. She had her parents to watch Caylee anytime she wanted.

I don't see any motive, myself. Or at least any motive that completely satisfied ME. And that's exactly why I am still on the fence about murder vs. accident.


If she was moving out or asked to leave she would be taking on more responsibility with Caylee than she had to when she was living with her parents with Caylee. It was about to all change when she left with Caylee.

[Joan Weiss]

That lasted 31 days. She will now have to get another tatoo that says "What A Waste".I can't help thinking that tattoo will cause her a lot of problems in prison...

The irony. :rolleyes:

[martha]

What stands out in my mind was one of the very first interviews GA gave. He did not want to talk about Casey at all. He would only discuss Caylee being missing. Anyone remember that? I can't remember what all he said exactly.
I do remember seeing that interview he told them he did not want and was not going to talk about casey. That was the very first thing I knew about this case. I thought that day there was something he was hinding about casey. He said something about they would deal with that later. i don;t have a link to it tho. jmho I have got to go to the dentist and hope by the time i get home we will know if there is anything in the new doc that is very telling. I don;t really think they will ever find caylee. I do hope they have enought to punish who ever did somethng to her tho. I guess we want know that until nov and maybe not even then. Le is trying so hard to put this case togeather so when they do charge someone they will have a strong case.jmho:rose:

[Joan Weiss]

If she was moving out or asked to leave she would be taking on more responsibility with Caylee than she had to when she was living with her parents with Caylee. It was about to all change when she left with Caylee.Absolutely. She knew she couldn't do it. It was all crashing down, even before LE entered the picture. imo

[shelbar53]

I do remember seeing that interview he told them he did not want and was not going to talk about casey. That was the very first thing I knew about this case. I thought that day there was something he was hinding about casey. He said something about they would deal with that later. i don;t have a link to it tho. jmho I have got to go to the dentist and hope by the time i get home we will know if there is anything in the new doc that is very telling. I don;t really think they will ever find caylee. I do hope they have enought to punish who ever did somethng to her tho. I guess we want know that until nov and maybe not even then. Le is trying so hard to put this case togeather so when they do charge someone they will have a strong case.jmho:rose:
Dentist :eek:
tell him to talk to casey...its like pulling teeth to get anything our of her

[jill collins]

yep found it...


Every day, for nearly three months, from 7 a.m. to midnight, sheriff deputies listened and recorded thousands of private conversations going on in the Aisenberg home.

the story goes on and on... about the wire taps etc... very interesting

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/23/48hours/main703751.shtml

How many millions in compensation have the Aisenbergs received??

[Lostgirl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYy30_Jxx1c

Just watched that video and I am baffled by Cindy's comment at the 4:38 mark...

"Thats Caylee, you know she just has that expression of ...you better behaive ...I have got my eye on you" tried to quote it exactly but may have missed something but, what a weird statement! Caylee was only two days old and she is saying something so weird.

I don't know I just found it odd, who has to behaive and why would a two day old need to keep her eye on anyone?

Anyone elese find it odd?

yes! me too

when she said that i literally ran it back and played it again because i wanted to make sure i heard her correctly!

It was such an ODD thing to say about a NEWBORN baby!

[kOOkie1]

Heeee....I refuse to watch OJ. Couldn't care less. barf

ITA...I do too!!! cant even force myself~

[snap4]

yes! me too

when she said that i literally ran it back and played it again because i wanted to make sure i heard her correctly!

It was such an ODD thing to say about a NEWBORN baby!


me too, I did the same thing, played it again to make sure I heard it right cause it was so weird!!! How bizzare

[Joan Weiss]

I thought that i had thought about everything in this case. YOU could very well be right. Maybe just maybe the chloroform was for George and Cindy. I do believe the zanny is xanax. IIRC Cindy claimed that someone stole her identity RIGHT before they hired Najeme...

I will go look! Thank you for rattling MY brain!

:seeya:Another important fact; Cindy reported identity theft. Thank you, and God bless all these good sleuths! imo

[DiamondL'il]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYy30_Jxx1c

Just watched that video and I am baffled by Cindy's comment at the 4:38 mark...

"Thats Caylee, you know she just has that expression of ...you better behaive ...I have got my eye on you" tried to quote it exactly but may have missed something but, what a weird statement! Caylee was only two days old and she is saying something so weird.

I don't know I just found it odd, who has to behaive and why would a two day old need to keep her eye on anyone?

Anyone elese find it odd?

Again, I agree. Talk about a family that offers TMI, verbally, as well as with their expressions!

In a perfect world, I'd wish that every statement made by this family, came with a video. Maybe I read too much into watching their physical behavior, in conjunction with whatever they are saying?

[steffaroob4]

Among other discovery evidence, the material contains depositions and phone and text messages (http://www.wesh.com/news/17537985/detail.html?rss=orl&psp=news)

[day2day]

Thanks! Hmmmm, maybe she didn't notice or ignored the charge until the chloroform info was released by LE. Then she had to disassociate herself from that in a hurry. :shrug:

September 3, 2008 -Cindy Anthony claims identity stolen
September 3, 2008- Anthony's meet with Najeme
September 3, 2008- Chloroform results released...

:eek:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-jail-090308,0,7110266.story

[Lostgirl]

oh and i even paused it and tried to zoom in more on the picture of Caylee because i wanted to see what kind of an expression a newborn has that would make that statement!

A picture is worth a thousand words but.... wow!

that family is off the wall

[Joan Weiss]

yes! me too

when she said that i literally ran it back and played it again because i wanted to make sure i heard her correctly!

It was such an ODD thing to say about a NEWBORN baby!Cindy's nuts, imo.

[kakax]

So we have some documents to look forward to. 600 pages? Wow, will take us days to delve into these!! It will be interesting to see how this affects protests at the house if more incriminating evidence is released.

[steffaroob4]

Among other discovery evidence, the material contains depositions and phone and text messages (http://www.wesh.com/news/17537985/detail.html?rss=orl&psp=news)


Nearly 600 pages of discovery evidence against Casey Anthony was released by the state attorney's office on Tuesday.

[Joan Weiss]

Thanks! Hmmmm, maybe she didn't notice or ignored the charge until the chloroform info was released by LE. Then she had to disassociate herself from that in a hurry. :shrug:Wow! Thank you. :seeya:

[day2day]

Among other discovery evidence, the material contains depositions and phone and text messages (http://www.wesh.com/news/17537985/detail.html?rss=orl&psp=news)

Ohhh wow!! I won't get any sleep tonight and i am sposed to work in the field tomorrow...:cuss:

[shelbar53]

September 3, 2008 -Cindy Anthony claims identity stolen
September 3, 2008- Anthony's meet with Najeme
September 3, 2008- Chloroform results released...

:eek:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-jail-090308,0,7110266.story
good post. i didnt realize all those things happend on the same day

[SavannahStar]

The only thing i have with it being a accident is why in the world wouldnt she call 911? Accidents happen everyday did she think maybe her parents would hold this aganist her for the rest of her life if she called 911? And thats why she went this route:shrug: so many unanswered questions in this thing isn't there.

I've explained many times on here my thoughts on that.....why she didn't call 911 if there were an accident. I'll just make it short and sweet and say I chalk it up to her personality disorder(s).

[deep*fear]

I can't help thinking that tattoo will cause her a lot of problems in prison...

The irony. :rolleyes:

Yep, prison - the good life, she'll really live it up :lol:

[Joan Weiss]

So we have some documents to look forward to. 600 pages? Wow, will take us days to delve into these!! It will be interesting to see how this affects protests at the house if more incriminating evidence is released.I'll bet the media is going nuts. Tonight will be a hot night. Wonder if this will bring out the protesters, and more nutty action from Cindy and George. Where's Lee?...

[snap4]

oh and i even paused it and tried to zoom in more on the picture of Caylee because i wanted to see what kind of an expression a newborn has that would make that statement!

A picture is worth a thousand words but.... wow!

that family is off the wall

I wanted to do the same thing, zoom in because i thought the same thing What kind of expression could a new born have to make her say that...wow we are on the same page huh? lol

[Lostgirl]

How many millions in compensation have the Aisenbergs received??

i have no idea... i saw the documentary on it a few years back and I'm a little rusty on the details

I know at one point the FBI actually stormed their house with assault rifles drawn as well... and they played the tapes for a grand jury or something and i think it was the judge who was dumbfounded by what the prosecution said was on the tapes compared to what you could actually hear on them.

I can remember hearing a lot of static and a tv show... with the odd voice here and there and toasters popping, blenders whirring... unreal!

very weird case

[Joan Weiss]

I've explained many times on here my thoughts on that.....why she didn't call 911 if there were an accident. I'll just make it short and sweet and say I chalk it up to her personality disorder(s).Something to do with negligence, imo. She is/was more afraid of Cindy...imo

[day2day]

good post. i didnt realize all those things happend on the same day

Coincidence? I dunno...but on paper it doesn't look real good!
jmo:shrug:

[tashi]

Among other discovery evidence, the material contains depositions and phone and text messages (http://www.wesh.com/news/17537985/detail.html?rss=orl&psp=news)


Thanks Steff...I can't wait