Mon. aft. - 9/22 -- Day 98

[rosejustrose]

Here's a new thread for the afternoon.

Thanks.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I was responding to a post on the other thread when it said closed. Didn't realize we had reached over 1,000 posts already.

I had a question. LE would give a daily briefing of the case and now they don't. Anyone know why?

[margaritaville]

Ty sweet rose:seeya:

Looks like the morning thread was locked............

Someone not playing nice??

[barskin&co.]

Thank you for including the day number, but you'd better revise it with the date. CW wants the thread title to be the date, but not the name Caylee, since this is the Caylee board, so it's redundant.

[rosejustrose]

I was responding to a post on the other thread when it said closed. Didn't realize we had reached over 1,000 posts already.

I had a question. LE would give a daily briefing of the case and now they don't. Anyone know why?


Maybe it's because they have nothing new to report. IMO, they are not going to publicly reveal what evidence they have and until the searches resume, they really don't have much to tell anyone. JMO.

[rosejustrose]

Thank you for including the day number, but you'd better revise it with the date. CW wants the thread title to be the date, but not the name Caylee, since this is the Caylee board, so it's redundant.


How do I do that? I realized my mistake but couldn't figure out how to fix it:punch:

[OneUp]

John Walsh & His wife
Mark Lundsford & His parents
Marc Klass & His wife
Brenda Van Dam & Her husband


ALL took poly's............. they had NOTHING to hide. :rose:


While, IMO, it proves nothing...at least it proves nothing in a court of law generally....I too find it odd that we haven't heard that the family toook poly's and passed. I have ZERO doubt that if they HAD taken them that Baez and Nejame would be trumpeting the results loudly.
Therefore, logic leads me to believe that either they have refused to take a poly, or have taken one (privately or for LE) and have failed.

Does anyone here know of even ONE family who has refused poly's while their child was missing?...I'm sure it has hapened, but I cannot think of or find a single case where all family refused poly's.
Taking a poly is pretty standard for the immediate family of missing children., if for nothing other than exclusion toget LE on the right track ASAP. Exceptions for those in very poor heath or those with airtight alibi's are made...maybe for other reasons as well, IDK.
I did read some legal info. on line the night Padilla said they refused that suggests Poly's CAN be admitted in Florida under several circumstances ( I think the gist was they could be used as SUPPPORTING but not CONCLUSIVE evidence). If I can locate those docs. I'll link them here tonight and again tomorrow...busy here today!
The only Poly refusal that comes to my mind in a missing child case is that of Melinda Duckett...not such good company to be keeping from a PR POV.
JMO.
I appreciate it if someone has another case of total family or even individual refusal to poly for comparison.

* Tried to post this on the old thread, but it closed while I was typing.:)

[barskin&co.]

Does anyone other than myself seem to think this child is NOT happy being with GGP?

http://bp0.blogger.com/_bYVcdnP7dsc/SJZlQc3b4eI/AAAAAAAAABQ/WF-S8CLEork/s1600-h/Caylee19.jpg

Oh that's one fleeting second. Caylee seems to be looking at something, who knows what. I think it may be rash to speculate, frankly.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Nothing to report.


Hi Flmom. What I thought was they could brief on the detectives who went to Cali and a few other things to clear up the reasons etc.

Someone posted NG would have someone on the show tonight but I forgot who it's supposed to be. Do you remember?

[bluwaters]

Ooops, I just made an afternoon thread. I didn't realize that this is today's afternoon thread. Sorry!

Please light a Candle for Caylee

click any unlit candle to begin

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

[SavannahStar]

If you watch the live video of that shot, the GGP is singing/humming "You are my sunshine" to her. It's quite sweet, and Caylee proceeds to give him a hug and a kiss.

She was 2 years old, and in an elderly Nursing Home which she wasn't used to. No big deal.

I totally agree. Don't see anything odd or unusual about that video.

[Rebel Rouzer]

If you will check the previous threads you will see that any reference to WS have been deleted. Any continuance of same and names will be deleted. You have been warned many times prior to this.

If you want to discuss their articles, rumors, posts, whatever, you can post their site as you must be members or you wouldn't be able to bring the info here. If they break the rules it's their responsibility and yours too if you bring it here.

We have some good and responsible posters here, we want to keep THEM.

NO MORE!!


Just to clarify. PLEASE? Does that mean posters can't post a LINK to their site to the topic being discussed? I'm not a member but some people post links. I thought that was ok?

[rosejustrose]

While, IMO, it proves nothing...at least it proves nothing in a court of law generally....I too find it odd that we haven't heard that the family toook poly's and passed. I have ZERO doubt that if they HAD taken them that Baez and Nejame would be trumpeting the results loudly.
Therefore, logic leads me to believe that either they have refused to take a poly, or have taken one (privately or for LE) and have failed.

Does anyone here know of even ONE family who has refused poly's while their child was missing?...I'm sure it has hapened, but I cannot think of or find a single case where all family refused poly's.
Taking a poly is pretty standard for the immediate family of missing children., if for nothing other than exclusion toget LE on the right track ASAP. Exceptions for those in very poor heath or those with airtight alibi's are made...maybe for other reasons as well, IDK.
I did read some legal info. on line the night Padilla said they refused that suggests Poly's CAN be admitted in Florida under several circumstances ( I think the gist was they could be used as SUPPPORTING but not CONCLUSIVE evidence). If I can locate those docs. I'll link them here tonight and again tomorrow...busy here today!
The only Poly refusal that comes to my mind in a missing child case is that of Melinda Duckett...not such good company to be keeping from a PR POV.
JMO.
I appreciate it if someone has another case of total family or even individual refusal to poly for comparison.

* Tried to post this on the old thread, but it closed while I was typing.:)


See what you did? You had us thrown out of the morning thread:no: J/K.

I agree that it's unusual for an entire family to refuse and it probably speaks volumes to LE. I have no doubt they know Casey wouldn't take one. Especially after all the lies she was caught in to date. They may feel the same way about the rest. You are correct, it's not a good PR move when you put yourself in the position to be compared to Melinda Duckett. JMO.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Is that why the webcam was on the police station? because they give daily briefs


They used to. That's why they had one cam set for there at one time.

[nc1948]

If you watch the live video of that shot, the GGP is singing/humming "You are my sunshine" to her. It's quite sweet, and Caylee proceeds to give him a hug and a kiss.

She was 2 years old, and in an elderly Nursing Home which she wasn't used to. No big deal.

Nursing homes are not always the most comfortable even for adults. Plus Caylee has not seen her Great Grandpa daily. I don't think the video shows anything either way.

[tiny paw-prints]

She was feverishly texting and emailing him almost daily. She was going to California to tell him something important, didn't know how he was going to react, she said her mother and brother already knew.

What was she going to tell him?

:patriot: Mark Hawkins has something to say, IMO!

[trich]

She looks fine to me. Probably a lil shy since shes not around him alot. That picture just makes me want to reach out and lay some love on her. God shes a gorgeous little girl!

My thoughts exactly.

[rosejustrose]

You can ask CW to help you fix it.

Thanks! CW has changed it already.

TYVM CW:rose:

[Rebel Rouzer]

She was feverishly texting and emailing him almost daily. She was going to California to tell him something important, didn't know how he was going to react, she said her mother and brother already knew.

What was she going to tell him?

:patriot: Mark Hawkins has something to say, IMO!

Hi paw prints. I gave a theory on this the other day.

I think she was going to tell him she was giving Caylee up to her parents. The other thing she may have wanted to tell him was that Caylee was his but that makes no sense if Cindy believes the father has died and said so on Greta. If this family would tell the truth and give facts thi case would not be so confusing IMO .

[AJandTam]

Does anyone other than myself seem to think this child is NOT happy being with GGP?

http://bp0.blogger.com/_bYVcdnP7dsc/SJZlQc3b4eI/AAAAAAAAABQ/WF-S8CLEork/s1600-h/Caylee19.jpg

I think she is very happy w/the great grandpa. Perhaps not the person she is looking at. The one we can't see.

[rosejustrose]

Hi Flmom. What I thought was they could brief on the detectives who went to Cali and a few other things to clear up the reasons etc.

Someone posted NG would have someone on the show tonight but I forgot who it's supposed to be. Do you remember?

Hey, RR! IIIRC it's Jesse Grund and/or his dad. I don't think we'll here from marine Hawkins. His command would most likely discourage, if not forbid, his participate in a TH show while he's active duty. I don't know that LE wants anyone to know the specifics about their west coast juant. I just wish Yuri could have went. Get well Yuri:rose:

JMO

[trich]

She was feverishly texting and emailing him almost daily. She was going to California to tell him something important, didn't know how he was going to react, she said her mother and brother already knew.

What was she going to tell him?

:patriot: Mark Hawkins has something to say, IMO!


Guess we will never know since she never got to Ca .

Personally IMO she was going to try and get out of Florida.
If she had any sense she had to have known "things" were going to catch up to her.

[bchand]

Hi Flmom. What I thought was they could brief on the detectives who went to Cali and a few other things to clear up the reasons etc.

Someone posted NG would have someone on the show tonight but I forgot who it's supposed to be. Do you remember?

I believe Jesse Grund will be on there too. (As well as 2 nights on Geraldo.)

[Boxer]

I think she is very happy w/the great grandpa. Perhaps not the person she is looking at. The one we can't see.

my thoughts also.

[rosejustrose]

If you watch the live video of that shot, the GGP is singing/humming "You are my sunshine" to her. It's quite sweet, and Caylee proceeds to give him a hug and a kiss.

She was 2 years old, and in an elderly Nursing Home which she wasn't used to. No big deal.


I can't believe I'm gonna say this but I agree with you:) Cindy did say she didn't Caylee often. She seemed quite comfortable with her GGP and it was very sweet when he sang to her. BTW, I think it's difficult for most littles to sit still for very long. They just love to flit about, IMO.

[BJames]

She was feverishly texting and emailing him almost daily. She was going to California to tell him something important, didn't know how he was going to react, she said her mother and brother already knew.

What was she going to tell him?

:patriot: Mark Hawkins has something to say, IMO!

I agree Tinypawprints that Casey had some burning thought she wanted to 'share' with this poor guy...my jury is still out on whether I believe Cindy and/or Lee knew what it was. Generally in this case if I take 50% of what Casey says and throw the other 50% north...stand on my left foot while touching my nose...I can get reception with my triangular tin foil hat...on a clear day ;)

Just my opinion of course...

[Heyes]

I agree Tinypawprints that Casey had some burning thought she wanted to 'share' with this poor guy...my jury is still out on whether I believe Cindy and/or Lee knew what it was. Generally in this case if I take 50% of what Casey says and throw the other 50% north...stand on my left foot while touching my nose...I can get reception with my triangular tin foil hat...on a clear day ;)

Just my opinion of course...

LOL LOL LOL snort LOL LOL

[Regina.Lampert]

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Originally Posted by Regina.Lampert
[Which begs the question that if the anthonys hadn't been in contact with casey and this letter was so disturbing to them, why on earth didn't they notify the police that something may have happened to their daughter and granddaughter?

Something just doesn't add up here. IMO.

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The letter only became "disturbing" after they retreived the Pontiac from the tow yard.

At this point, what's most disturbing to me, is that it matters not if Cynthia was in daily contact with Casey (need phone records for proof); it's the obvious and absolute fact that Cindy was able to physically search for Casey and actually found her within a few hours after retreiving the foul death odor vehicle!

Cindy physically searched for Casey and found her, but refuses to physically search for Caylee. Now, that's Disturbing!

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That is an excellent point TPP. When cynthia actually wants to search for someone she can and is very successful.

I am looking forward to seeing cynthia's phone records to see if she has been telling the truth of her contact with casey. Hope they are included in the trial.

[Motomom]

I'm taping Dr. Phil today. I dont' normally watch him or care for him but I'm nosey :)

I think Dr. Phil put some of the money up for the bond myself, he supplied the cash IMO. Or has that been brought out already? Anyway, doesn't matter. He gets his greedy paws into anything he can. I imagine he pays in some way for his interviews? Possibly?

I hope something breaks on this case soon. I really think that video is last yr of Caylee and the grandfather. I think she looks like an almost 2 yr old, not an almost 3 yr old. I also see that expression and chalk it up to being shy for whatever reason, BUT I also she how she hugs him and goes back to even get comfortable laying on him.

[rosejustrose]

Ooops, I just made an afternoon thread. I didn't realize that this is today's afternoon thread. Sorry!

Please light a Candle for Caylee

click any unlit candle to begin

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:


Thanks for the link blu:rose:

[SavannahStar]

Hi paw prints. I gave a theory on this the other day.

I think she was going to tell him she was giving Caylee up to her parents. The other thing she may have wanted to tell him was that Caylee was his but that makes no sense if Cindy believes the father has died and said so on Greta. If this family would tell the truth and give facts thi case would not be so confusing IMO .

And don't forget it could be something she was going to tell him that's not even remotely relevant to this case. Maybe another lie. Maybe "guess what?...I'm enrolling in college".....

I think sometimes we assume that something could be "important" and it may not necessarily be so. It might be nothing at all. :shrug:

[rosejustrose]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

Black truck is back.

Is Casey safely tucked away at Baez' office for the rest of the day?

[margaritaville]

I'm always nice. :seeya:


Oh i didn't mean you! I meant in general......Sorry if that came out wrong.......:seeya:

[rosejustrose]

Hi paw prints. I gave a theory on this the other day.

I think she was going to tell him she was giving Caylee up to her parents. The other thing she may have wanted to tell him was that Caylee was his but that makes no sense if Cindy believes the father has died and said so on Greta. If this family would tell the truth and give facts thi case would not be so confusing IMO .

We're tawking Cindy here. She also testified that at one time she thought Jesse was the father. I really don't think anyone is sure about who it the father, including Casey. JMO

[Heyes]

And don't forget it could be something she was going to tell him that's not even remotely relevant to this case. Maybe another lie. Maybe "guess what?...I'm enrolling in college".....

I think sometimes we assume that something could be "important" and it may not necessarily be so. It might be nothing at all. :shrug:

You have a good point there. Could be nothing.
Except for that pesky little fact that the police and the FBI felt the need to travel to him makes me thinks there's a bit more to the phone calls and texts.
Who knows?

[EGirl]

Does anyone realize why the other one was closed? Not because it was too long, but we were off topic. Stay on topic or else this one will be closed also.

So, what is the topic?

If you don't know...then maybe you should move on? :rolleyes:

[steffaroob4]

Trust fund administrators received (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-092208,0,7454090.story) threatening e-mails and phone calls
2:15 a.m. Paul Kelley, one of the administrators of the Help Find Caylee Marie Anthony trust fund, said his Winter Park law firm, Bicker & Kelley, received threatening e-mails and harassing phone calls alleging improprieties with the trust fund

[desmom]

Hey everyone. I was *ahem* working and missed the morning thread. Sorry if this was already discussed. I saw that WESH is having a special about the case on their 11 o'clock broadcast. Is this a recap of what we already know or is new info being brought out? TIA. :o

I guess we wait and see....

http://www.wesh.com/news/17526424/detail.html

All this week, WESH 2 News will take an in-depth look at the investigation, including some new details.

[OneUp]

And don't forget it could be something she was going to tell him that's not even remotely relevant to this case. Maybe another lie. Maybe "guess what?...I'm enrolling in college".....

I think sometimes we assume that something could be "important" and it may not necessarily be so. It might be nothing at all. :shrug:That IS a distinct possiblility SS. Who can venture to do more than guess what Casey is up to, or where her whims would take her?
My instinct says that she was setting up a place to run to ( it didn't have to be permanently staying with Mark...I know she couldn't stay on base!). He may have had a leave coming up and she was witing until then to visit him in a hotel for the duration. From the photos she has, it appears he has done so before. That would explain why she waited so long to leave Florida and was caught...maybe he had a leave coming up and she was waiting for it.
All just possibilities though....
There is so much we can only speculate and try to logically infer in this Case.
...98 days since Caylee last saw a familiar face...98 days since her mother has done one blessed thing FOR Caylee.
Still no remorse shown, still not cooperation with LE or the FBI...still no Caylee.
All JMO.

[Albini]

[QUOTE=OneUp;12165342] snipped for space

Does anyone here know of even ONE family who has refused poly's while their child was missing?...I'm sure it has hapened, but I cannot think of or find a single case where all family refused poly's.
Taking a poly is pretty standard for the immediate family of missing children., if for nothing other than exclusion toget LE on the right track ASAP.
I did read some legal info. on line the night Padilla said they refused that suggests Poly's CAN be admitted in Florida under several circumstances ( I think the gist was they could be used as SUPPPORTING but not CONCLUSIVE evidence).
QUOTE]

I agree 100%. Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing. Why refuse to take one? If my child was missing I would want to be CLEARED as a suspect ASAP. I would want the LE to look for my child in the right place and not waste time focusing on myself.

I can not think of any reasons why they refused other then they know Casey is lying.

Even if the question was just "Is Zenaida FG real." That answer wouls steer the LE in the right direction.

HEck I would pay for one myself if i was being wrongfully accused.

[barskin&co.]

thankies too btw for roses and hugs. I was posting a few links to Caylees flyer and the descrepancy in the dates...and trying to swallow AND listening the Ms Glass Rip Riccio apart on the stand lol. I wish for some resolution in this case. Its so disturbing that there was no search for Caylee this past weekend. I thought about that a lot. So reposting the links, which are all smushed together for some very odd board gremlin reason, no matter how I space them :D BTW I do not LIKe this business about the "dates" and find it quite disturbing. wonder what wesh is going to report at 11pm tonight. Im going to tune in if up. See you all later, am going to bury my head in the pillow right now. And some Vicks! (yuck) 9th vs 15th Flyers for Caylee = 9th. http://www.lrcf.net/missing/CayleeAn...eeAnthony.html flyer with wrong date Updated flyer using date June 9 http://www.kidfindersnetwork.com/files/CayleeFlyer.pdf AMW using the date of the 15th LE using the date of the 9th and the 15 Caylees flyer still has the date as the 9th? URLs that have tons of very good links to all videos and reports in this case: http://www.missingabducted.com/ AMW http://www.amw.com/missing_children/...r.cfm?id=57624 How sometimes cases like these resolve: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1220dffl.html

Jenny, Caylee was with her GGF at his nursing home on June 15, 2008.
The discrepencies that you find are due to the fact that Casey told the police June 9 on the July 15 911 call. All the Anthonys went along with the June 9 date, then the lead detective got calls from people who knew Casey and Caylee and saw them after June 9. Det Yuri Melich verified this visit, and there is a sworn affadavit from the nursing home
employees. This wasn't cleared up until the bond hearing, so a lot of the sites never changed the June 9 date

[joint-heir]

Does anyone other than myself seem to think this child is NOT happy being with GGP?

http://bp0.blogger.com/_bYVcdnP7dsc/SJZlQc3b4eI/AAAAAAAAABQ/WF-S8CLEork/s1600-h/Caylee19.jpg

If you had seen the video, she was hugging and staying real close. I think she was liking it a lot. He sang to her, You are my sunshine"

[SavannahStar]

I just dont see genuine off the cuff happiness in a lot of her photos. She mimicked her mother, Casey, with a panned smile a lot of the time. There are a few photos that she has a genuine smile, in many though I find myself lingering when I look at them, because something makes me uneasy in her expressions. Esp the one in the backseat of the car. :shrug: That's just my impression though!

Gosh, I think the opposite. In 99.9% photos I've seen of Caylee she looks like such a very, very happy little girl. Well loved, well taken care of, and bubbling.

[SavannahStar]

You have a good point there. Could be nothing.
Except for that pesky little fact that the police and the FBI felt the need to travel to him makes me thinks there's a bit more to the phone calls and texts.
Who knows?


Well yeh, cuz of the timeframe of those calls and messages. They too may find out it's nothing though. I guess we'll find out in due time. But they were not going out specifically to see him, correct? Also to see Padilla and the other guy........sorta like kill two birds with one stone, get all the ducks in a row. :shrug:

[Albini]

Gosh, I think the opposite. In 99.9% photos I've seen of Caylee she looks like such a very, very happy little girl. Well loved, well taken care of, and bubbling.

I have to agree. In alot of the pics I have seen she is smiling and seemingly happy. I have some pics of each of my 4 kids looking unhappy or even crying. Its not thier status quo, but I am sure every parent has the unhappy pics to pull out at that childs wedding (or even the toilet traning pics...naked baby pics etc)

[SavannahStar]

I think closed due to nasty poster (possibly was banned )

It was closed due to repeated references to another board. CW posted about it.

[kakax]

I guess we wait and see....

http://www.wesh.com/news/17526424/detail.html

All this week, WESH 2 News will take an in-depth look at the investigation, including some new details.



They don't have their newscast broadcast over the internet live, do they?

The only one I have seen live is MyFox Orlando.

[bluwaters]

Jenny, Caylee was with her GGF at his nursing home on June 15, 2008.
The discrepencies that you find are due to the fact that Casey told the police June 9 on the July 15 911 call. All the Anthonys went along with the June 9 date, then the lead detective got calls from people who knew Casey and Caylee and saw them after June 9. Det Yuri Melich verified this visit, and there is a sworn affadavit from the nursing home
employees. This wasn't cleared up until the bond hearing, so a lot of the sites never changed the June 9 date
Right.
Casey's friend Christina went shopping with Caylee and Casey on the week following FD.
Clint said that he last saw Caylee with Casey at TonE's apt on Friday, June 13. He remembers because there was a big Friday the 13th promo at Fusion that night.

jmho

[BJames]

Ackkk (word of the day)...

I still can't wrap my head around this...and I have to leave.
But really...all of the drama, a baby gone for a month (+) that you see everyday...a notice the car has been abandoned...find paper (!?) call number...You don't know any of her 'friends'? Nor the 'nanny'?
Talk to a girl who is probably still believing that she is moving into your house when you leave (when?)....meet her at the mall...drive to some 'guy's' house you have never met? No baby there? So we go home....?
I stopped believing Casey at the point where she told Amy that 'she' was getting George and Cindy's house...and Cindy (knowing how much of a liar Casey is/was)...believed her until she 'over heard' Casey talking to Lee.....?
I dunno...and in my house they call me gullible...?..hmmm.

Just my opinion of course...

[kakax]

I'm going to play devil's advocate on this point, just because I can. :)

Misguided adults sometimes force young children to be physically affectionate with not-often-seen family members ... give auntie a kiss, give grandpa a hug. Doesn't matter what the child wants or how uncomfortable she/he might feel. I've never understood that, and my mother never did that with any of us. It's a boundary thing.

Cindy strikes me as someone who would most definitely do that.

It's conceivable Cindy commanded Caylee onto her GGP's lap so that she could get her video recorder humming, and the look on the baby's face reflects her discomfort with both Cindy's command and with the forced physical closeness.

I think Caylee settled down onto his chest when she realized she had no choice ... and when she sensed GGP wasn't such a bad fellow after all.

Caylee had many expressions. IMO, the one in that still shot was not one of her happier ones. The fact that she was looking at Cindy that way tells most of the story, IMO.



I so agree with you. My mom does that to my children with Great Uncles and Aunts that they hardly see. Makes me crazy!!

[Albini]

[QUOTE=Albini;12165511][COLOR="DarkRed"]

Why.. you couldn't use it in court to clear yourself.

No, but I would hope that it would show the LE that I wasnt a person of interest so they could continue to search for my child.

Why NOT take one? Esp if its not usable in court?

[WillowInFlight]

If you don't know...then maybe you should move on? :rolleyes:

Hey girl, you do have a way with words LOL, anything new today? Is princesspantsonfire at her lawyers for the day?

[Albini]

I agree. In no way do I see signs of abuse of any kind in any of the pictures.


The thing about abuse is that you often cant SEE it in pics. I worked with kids who would smile up at the camera so brightly...and yet have thier right side of thier face so bruised you knew that smile hurt them.

[summer4meplz]

Looks like the morning thread was locked............

Someone not playing nice??


it's the same ole same ole....i don't understand why anyone bites!!

[kakax]

Why.. you couldn't use it in court to clear yourself.



You can if both sides, defense and prosecution, agree to it.

[dwn]

Jenny, Caylee was with her GGF at his nursing home on June 15, 2008.
The discrepencies that you find are due to the fact that Casey told the police June 9 on the July 15 911 call. All the Anthonys went along with the June 9 date, then the lead detective got calls from people who knew Casey and Caylee and saw them after June 9. Det Yuri Melich verified this visit, and there is a sworn affadavit from the nursing home
employees. This wasn't cleared up until the bond hearing, so a lot of the sites never changed the June 9 date

You're turning a lovely shade of blue!
:biggrin:

[summer4meplz]

She looks fine to me. Probably a lil shy since shes not around him alot. That picture just makes me want to reach out and lay some love on her. God shes a gorgeous little girl!

I think she looks very tired....dark circles under her eyes....

[Heyes]

Well yeh, cuz of the timeframe of those calls and messages. They too may find out it's nothing though. I guess we'll find out in due time. But they were not going out specifically to see him, correct? Also to see Padilla and the other guy........sorta like kill two birds with one stone, get all the ducks in a row. :shrug:


Right, they did go see the other guys. You could be right. I have no idea if the police would extend their trip to include this guy out in 29 palms for routine questioning or not. It's the FBI's involvement that really baffles me. The Padilla guy is up in Sacramento or was it San Francisco. Opposite ends of the state.
I wish the FBI would be so kind to call me and explain why they felt the need to go. Maybe they lost my number. I better call them. lol

[Fallen Angel]

If you watch the live video of that shot, the GGP is singing/humming "You are my sunshine" to her. It's quite sweet, and Caylee proceeds to give him a hug and a kiss.

She was 2 years old, and in an elderly Nursing Home which she wasn't used to. No big deal.

how do you know if she was used to going there or not? when my kids were 2 they went ever weekend to see their Nana in a nursing home. They loved going.

[rosejustrose]

I agree. In no way do I see signs of abuse of any kind in any of the pictures.

HI AP! Hope all is well with you and your daughter. I agree with you and SS. In the majority of pictures and videos Caylee seems like such a happy, bubbly, pampered, loved 2 year old and that's what bothers me the most with this case. How can all these pictures tell one story and the circumstances surrounding the whole saga of Caylee's disappearance tell another? I just can't reconcile, in my own head, the two Anthony families. I know we'll never know what really went/goes on behind closed doors but what happened to that family that the one little person who seemed to be the center of their uiverse could go missing and they show no apparent emotions of caring. Something went terribly wrong and I hope oneday we know not only where Caylee is but how and why she got there. Make sense? JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Right, they did go see the other guys. You could be right. I have no idea if the police would extend their trip to include this guy out in 29 palms for routine questioning or not. It's the FBI's involvement that really baffles me. The Padilla guy is up in Sacramento or was it San Francisco. Opposite ends of the state.
I wish the FBI would be so kind to call me and explain why they felt the need to go. Maybe they lost my number. I better call them. lol

You didn't get the memo? :D

[EGirl]

Hey girl, you do have a way with words LOL, anything new today? Is princesspantsonfire at her lawyers for the day?

LOL, I don't know, I'm trying to just read and catch up. I think she had her meeting with her detention office (home monitoring oficer) can't remember the correct terminology

And then probably at baez's office.


Just wish this entire thing would END! Sure would like to know what came of the interview in California last week.


:seeya:

[dixielover]

If you had seen the video, she was hugging and staying real close. I think she was liking it a lot. He sang to her, You are my sunshine"

I can see this being used at trial along with that statment (part of a song) on KC my space- kind of like that song that was played along with Lacey Peterson's video- I use to like that song but now it makes me sad and I turn it off. jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

If Cindy's phone records are not as she described, will that make her a POI?

I guess that would depend on what the phone records show. Personally I do not think cynthia had anything to do with the death of Caylee. I am not so sure about her actions afterwards.......

[kakax]

Here is a more clear understanding of why the Anthony's were added to the HOA complaint....

The Anthonys’ Orange County home has been the site of protests and vigils in recent weeks, but the association wants a judge to place limits on the time and location of the events.

I think that emotions run higher in the Anthony's front yard, in the area immediately in front of the home, because people are trying to draw the tempers out, and unfortunately, the Anthonys have taken the bait under understandable amounts of stress," Wonsetler said.

A regularly scheduled candlelight vigil for Caylee was canceled on Sunday, which left the neighborhood relatively quiet. Wonsetler praised the Anthonys for canceling the vigil.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17526921/detail.html

[Fallen Angel]

Jenny, I think your imagination works overtime a LOT. LOL

Caylee appears to be an extremely happy child, in fact naturally happy, not forced, in all of her photos.

In YOUR opinion......plz don't forget that

[AJandTam]

how do you know if she was used to going there or not? when my kids were 2 they went ever weekend to see their Nana in a nursing home. They loved going.

true. My oldest son is in a nursing home and my small children (6) (8) enjoy going there. They get lots of attention, and sometimes there are activities that involve cake or singing and they love that.

[trich]

We're tawking Cindy here. She also testified that at one time she thought Jesse was the father. I really don't think anyone is sure about who it the father, including Casey. JMO



Well one thing Casey did say was it was a one night stand.
Wonder how many of those she had?

We all know it was not Jessie as he did have a paternity test done.
If I was one of those men I would be having another kind of test done .

[Motomom]

I'm going to play devil's advocate on this point, just because I can. :)

Snipped


Caylee had many expressions. IMO, the one in that still shot was not one of her happier ones. The fact that she was looking at Cindy that way tells most of the story, IMO.

Which one? The carseat one? I love that picture. Her personality shines through in that picture. When I look at that little girl, I see someone with a spunky personality!

[dixielover]

HI AP! Hope all is well with you and your daughter. I agree with you and SS. In the majority of pictures and videos Caylee seems like such a happy, bubbly, pampered, loved 2 year old and that's what bothers me the most with this case. How can all these pictures tell one story and the circumstances surrounding the whole saga of Caylee's disappearance tell another? I just can't reconcile, in my own head, the two Anthony families. I know we'll never know what really went/goes on behind closed doors but what happened to that family that the one little person who seemed to be the center of their uiverse could go missing and they show no apparent emotions of caring. Something went terribly wrong and I hope oneday we know not only where Caylee is but how and why she got there. Make sense? JMO.

You know everyday we hear about a father or mother killing their children while in a custody battle. I know we have had several in our state- I think of this case like that but instead of husband and wife it was mother and daughter. jmo

[rosejustrose]

I think she looks very tired....dark circles under her eyes....


I noticed in a lot of photos she appears to have dark circles. It could be her complexion coupled with high cheekbones and natural light shadowings. My daughter used to get dark circles if she was the least bit tired. I always knew when she was ready to go to bed. JMO.

[deep*fear]

Does anyone other than myself seem to think this child is NOT happy being with GGP?

http://bp0.blogger.com/_bYVcdnP7dsc/SJZlQc3b4eI/AAAAAAAAABQ/WF-S8CLEork/s1600-h/Caylee19.jpg

That picture makes me think it was time to leave and Caylee didn't want to. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

LOL, I don't know, I'm trying to just read and catch up. I think she had her meeting with her detention office (home monitoring oficer) can't remember the correct terminology

And then probably at baez's office.


Just wish this entire thing would END! Sure would like to know what came of the interview in California last week.


:seeya:

Me too, I am hoping that her former head of security talks soon, I am dying to know what she has to say. I think Jesse's dad is on NG tonight. I watched Dr. Phil, nothing impressive to me. Though I am glad he focused on other missing children.

[joint-heir]

And don't forget it could be something she was going to tell him that's not even remotely relevant to this case. Maybe another lie. Maybe "guess what?...I'm enrolling in college".....

I think sometimes we assume that something could be "important" and it may not necessarily be so. It might be nothing at all. :shrug:

Some of us just figured that she needed to get away and maybe he'd put her up in an apt in CA....

I know I am so slow that the question has already been answered by the time I get it up....oh well..lol

[marshmallow]

because of having a new family member and also busy packing to move, I've been looking at a lot of my sons baby/toddler pics lately.
I don't think their many facial expressions are any different than Caylee's. I think the photos of Caylee show a little girl who was loved and who was just an average kiddo like anyone else's.

To me, in all the photos she looks happy, healthy, occasionally tired, occasionally unhappy, pretty much just like any other kiddo.

She only started being different when her Mother misplaced her.

[SavannahStar]

HI AP! Hope all is well with you and your daughter. I agree with you and SS. In the majority of pictures and videos Caylee seems like such a happy, bubbly, pampered, loved 2 year old and that's what bothers me the most with this case. How can all these pictures tell one story and the circumstances surrounding the whole saga of Caylee's disappearance tell another? I just can't reconcile, in my own head, the two Anthony families. I know we'll never know what really went/goes on behind closed doors but what happened to that family that the one little person who seemed to be the center of their uiverse could go missing and they show no apparent emotions of caring. Something went terribly wrong and I hope oneday we know not only where Caylee is but how and why she got there. Make sense? JMO.


Makes perfect sense to me.

[cassidy]

Does anyone other than myself seem to think this child is NOT happy being with GGP?

http://bp0.blogger.com/_bYVcdnP7dsc/SJZlQc3b4eI/AAAAAAAAABQ/WF-S8CLEork/s1600-h/Caylee19.jpg

Yep. that was my initial reaction too.

[Heyes]

You didn't get the memo? :D

:eek:!

LOL

[margaritaville]

When I was a little girl my mom would always make me kiss my great grandpa when we went to visit. I saw him about maybe once or twice a month. I hated kissing him! He chewed tobacco and he would pick on me! I doubt that I ever smiled in pics taken of us either! As for the dark circles under Caylees eyes, my daughter has had dark circles since the day she was born. She gets it from her dad. Its hereditary in our family.



Or maybe she was ready for a nap......Both my kids took naps until they were almost 5... She looked to me like if she had closed her eyes she would fall asleep.

MOO

[Motomom]

I agree. In no way do I see signs of abuse of any kind in any of the pictures.

Neither do I and as far as I know, no proof has ever come out that there was physical abuse going on with Caylee.

[WinnieLeigh7]

okay, i'm backing wayyyy up...excuse me in advance--not feeling very well, so lack of memory and logic is out...

which means i may just can think like casey haha

seriously...
after father's dad, the visit...the fight at home, when casey and caylee left with back packs, where did they stay that night, or casey...where did she stay...
has that ever been said

[Motomom]

No -- the one we've been discussing, Motomom -- the one of her on her GGP's lap at the assisted living facility.

Oh I thought that still shot was just the beginning of the video.

[WillowInFlight]

If you had a photo of her right now, she would NOT look very happy.

Oh wow, that is probably a true but sad thought.

[EGirl]

okay, i'm backing wayyyy up...excuse me in advance--not feeling very well, so lack of memory and logic is out...

which means i may just can think like casey haha

seriously...
after father's dad, the visit...the fight at home, when casey and caylee left with back packs, where did they stay that night, or casey...where did she stay...
has that ever been said

Nope cuz everyone claims they stayed sunday night. Don't know about monday

[GrannyB]

it's the same ole same ole....i don't understand why anyone bites!!

Read CW post. If you don't it may happen again.

[bluwaters]

I found this info about Mark Nejame:

The "Car Wash Mom" case wound up today with the mom receiving probation.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-car-wash-mom-092208,0,4460017.story

Nejame is quoted in this article about the case in March 2008.
FOX article from March 2008, RE: The "Car Wash Mom"
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=099024A8A107C8719A8BDB8750E34DCE ?contentId=6004967&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

Mark Nejame is a prominent defense attorney in Central Florida. He says many times, lawyers use the media to win the public over, putting their own spin on a sticky situation.

"Sometimes it's all you got,” he said “You want to evoke passion whereas you didn't know the consequences of your actions or maybe it looked worse on video then was occurring in real time."

But Nejame said it's a risky move for anybody.

"Anytime anyone's making a statement on camera that could be used against them,” he said. “There's no fifth amendment privileges of course so anything they say can and will be used against them."

Nejame said lawyers for Nicki Ramirez can clear their client if they use the national media properly.

"All of a sudden you put a face and a heart and a soul to that person who's being accused,” he said. “Then all of a sudden it starts melting away the disdain the public has for that person and it casts them in a different light."

Most lawyers use the national media instead of local media because they are trying to get the most exposure and the most sympathy with the biggest audience.

[AJandTam]

HI AP! Hope all is well with you and your daughter. I agree with you and SS. In the majority of pictures and videos Caylee seems like such a happy, bubbly, pampered, loved 2 year old and that's what bothers me the most with this case. How can all these pictures tell one story and the circumstances surrounding the whole saga of Caylee's disappearance tell another? I just can't reconcile, in my own head, the two Anthony families. I know we'll never know what really went/goes on behind closed doors but what happened to that family that the one little person who seemed to be the center of their uiverse could go missing and they show no apparent emotions of caring. Something went terribly wrong and I hope oneday we know not only where Caylee is but how and why she got there. Make sense? JMO.


It is weird, but you know. You see that in alot of photo's of families that ended in a domestic tragedy of some sort.

[jbellaj]

I totally agree. Don't see anything odd or unusual about that video.


I think she was just being shy and maybe the camera bothered her too. Some children IMO are like that.

[SavannahStar]

Wow Savannah I had that thought too. That she was going to surprise him that she was coming to cali to go to college.

Or even, "I've decided to enlist!"

:patriot:

:shrug:

[rosejustrose]

Lack of depth on the part of the 4 adult Anthonys. An eagerness to please in Caylee.

Pictures don't always reflect what a person is feeling ... especially if the camera is on more than its off, and you're 2, and you know that a good way to please mommy and grandma is to smile and pose for the camera.

What better way to keep up appearances that to take thousands of pictures of cuteness and costumes and smiles and external perfection?


It's just so sad. They did dress her up like a doll and she did seem to have more toys and such than most 2 year olds I know. At least I hope she felt loved. JMO.

[shelbar53]

If Cindy's phone records are not as she described, will that make her a POI?

I dont think it will make her a POI but it will make her a liar and or a person trying to cover for her daughter.

[SavannahStar]

That picture makes me think it was time to leave and Caylee didn't want to. JMO


I see that, now that you mention it!

[OneUp]

Links for information regarding the admissability of a poly in Florida...

Florida Polygraph &
Lie-Detection Services

http://www.floridapolygraphassociates.com/lie-detector.htm

" ..Currently polygraph test results are admissible in over 20 states, and as one court has said, “the greater weight of authority indicates that it [polygraph] can be a helpful scientific tool”...."


Admissability of Polygraph Tests in Court Lawyers

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/admissability-of-polygraph-tests-in-court.html

"Florida is the one state that does require some people to submit to polygraph tests (previously convicted sex offenders), but even then those test results cannot be used against them in court, and are for use only within the course of their therapy. "


Advance Polygraph Solutions

http://www.floridapolygraphliedetector.com/faq.htm

"Q. Is a polygraph admissible in court?
Yes. If it is stipulated to by the prosecution, defense and approved by the court prior to the administration of the polygraph."


*These would suggest to me that any poly taken by the family could not be entered into court against them, unless they agreed to it. I'm finding no more recent laws or court cases to contradict this.
I doubt any Defense attorney would suggest that a client (esp. one they suspect may fail) take a poly. I am mystified by the fact that Nejame has not had the Elder Andthony's take one. A passed poly would be a great PR tool, and could get the public support started back "on track" for them IMO. No poly for them indicates that they have refused, they took one and had less than stellar results, or Nejame has told them to refuse for reasons known only to himself.

[GrannyB]

None of which has ever been alledged against this family in the past.
:punch:

Teaching your child to lie is mental abuse. Nuff said.

[AJandTam]

I think she was just being shy and maybe the camera bothered her too. Some children IMO are like that.

W/little ones that age, It can be anything. You took thier fav toy away or you won't give them anymore cake. I thought she had a sense of being ok in the video. She seemed to enjoy her great grandpa. In that one still photo she did look like she might of been a bit aggitated w/someone she was looking at. Don't know the reason. Maybe thier was some silly reason nothing really bad. It's always hard to say. Maybe she was relaxed w/the great grandpa and someone was bugging her and she just wanted to be left alone.

[barskin&co.]

You're turning a lovely shade of blue!
:biggrin:

It's my color, isn't it? :D

[Boxer]

not knowing where or with who you drop your kid off with is imo, child abuse. of course murdering your child is imo also child abuse...either way

harboring someone who won't tell the truth about where their child is, is imo reprehensible.

[WillowInFlight]

I read earlier that there was a meeting for 12:30 today. Don't know if it was at her home or if Jose had to pic her up & drive her there

Is Casey not allowed to drive?

[Pruddennce]

She was feverishly texting and emailing him almost daily. She was going to California to tell him something important, didn't know how he was going to react, she said her mother and brother already knew.

What was she going to tell him?

:patriot: Mark Hawkins has something to say, IMO!

once again, that is something Casey 'said to someone else', and the problem with that is: she lies. whatever Casey 'told' someone at a particular time IMO can be tossed out the window as bs unless the recipient of the information can state it as fact.

this guy in california, MH: again, I think she was BS'ing him....baiting him....and he didnt bite....or perhaps told her he couldnt assist her if she came out to visit (CA probably whining she didnt have money etc etc).

what she says to someone else doesnt make it fact. what will make a particular statement factual is an end result....

in very instance, it appears there wasnt any 'end result' connected with a statement she made to someone.

for instance, statements similar to these:

- "im picking my daughter up later this afternoon, she's with her nanny" she tells Crisp when she runs into him.... does Crisp know whether she picked Caylee up? No.
-"Caylee is at the beach with the nanny': can anyone confirm that? no. its only what "Casey says'.

best regards,
Pru

[rosejustrose]

Oh wow, that is probably a true but sad thought.


True. As beautiful a child as Caylee was, I would not want to see a photo of what she looks today, 98 days since the last time anyone saw her. JMO.

Hey Cindy, how's that weight loss program coming?:mad:

[shelbar53]

I think the 'test' for a child feeling loved is their outward projection of personality to others, and if that's true, then Caylee certainly felt and exuded love in return.

I'm glad for that.
I would agree with you, all the pics i have seen of caylee she is always smiling. C&A house seemed to be filled with all sorts of toys and kids things...she did seem to be loved

[shelbar53]

Did casey meet with Baez today?

[deep*fear]

[QUOTE=AdverseParty;12165539]

No, but I would hope that it would show the LE that I wasnt a person of interest so they could continue to search for my child.

Why NOT take one? Esp if its not usable in court?

Even people who are guilty take one and have the results released IF they pass. They may have taken one, but then there's a reason we haven't heard Cindy brag "we passed a LDT"

[rosejustrose]

Nope cuz everyone claims they stayed sunday night. Don't know about monday

LP started to say something about a hotel but NG, in her most gracious of interviewing styles, cut him off before he could continue and then changed the subject. AFAIK, no one has confirmed the exact date she started staying with TonE although his roommate suggested it was on or about Jun 16. Oh, and Caylee was not with her. JMO.

[AJandTam]

not knowing where or with who you drop your kid off with is imo, child abuse. of course murdering your child is imo also child abuse...either way

harboring someone who won't tell the truth about where their child is, is imo reprehensible.

Yes it is. I have come to the conclussion that whatever Zanny is, must be an object not a person. Perhaps when she would tell others that Caylee was w/Zanny. That really meant the trunk or a closet or whatever she did w/her. I'm sure she was using something as a sitter before tragedy struck.

[rosejustrose]

I found this info about Mark Nejame:

The "Car Wash Mom" case wound up today with the mom receiving probation.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-car-wash-mom-092208,0,4460017.story

Nejame is quoted in this article about the case in March 2008.
FOX article from March 2008, RE: The "Car Wash Mom"
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=099024A8A107C8719A8BDB8750E34DCE ?contentId=6004967&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

You think he'll try this with George and Cindy? Maybe Baez will get a hint and try to mold Casey into a more sympathetic figure. JMO.

[jbellaj]

W/little ones that age, It can be anything. You took thier fav toy away or you won't give them anymore cake. I thought she had a sense of being ok in the video. She seemed to enjoy her great grandpa. In that one still photo she did look like she might of been a bit aggitated w/someone she was looking at. Don't know the reason. Maybe thier was some silly reason nothing really bad. It's always hard to say. Maybe she was relaxed w/the great grandpa and someone was bugging her and she just wanted to be left alone.


Also there were other visitors there to see their own loved ones which were strangers to Caylee. Maybe that bothered her a bit. I thought it was so sweet how GGD sung you are my sunshine to her and she did give him a big hug and kiss. She sure wasn't shy about that. IMO it may have been all the activity that was going on.

[GrannyB]

Appears is the magic word. The photos may have been taken when Caylee was being amused. At other times she may have been sad. With a wacko mother & gm they confused her. She's too little to know the difference.

She has a lost look in her eyes in a lot of the pictures. Who knows why

[Heyes]

I think the 'test' for a child feeling loved is their outward projection of personality to others, and if that's true, then Caylee certainly felt and exuded love in return.

I'm glad for that.

I hope so DG, I hope Caylee felt surrounded by love.

[marshmallow]

Teaching your child to lie is mental abuse. Nuff said.


aw jeeze. when we make an excuse to get out of something and our children hear, they've heard us lie and isn't that teaching a child to lie? we've all done that. The Anthony's have enough to answer to, we don't have to invent things too.

[deep*fear]

I noticed in a lot of photos she appears to have dark circles. It could be her complexion coupled with high cheekbones and natural light shadowings. My daughter used to get dark circles if she was the least bit tired. I always knew when she was ready to go to bed. JMO.

Could be allergies too.

[rosejustrose]

I think she was just being shy and maybe the camera bothered her too. Some children IMO are like that.

And, if you watch the video, Cindy's annoying jabbering in the background probably ticked Caylee off a bit. Yes, I think 2 yr olds can get ticked. JMO.

[barskin&co.]

She was feverishly texting and emailing him almost daily. She was going to California to tell him something important, didn't know how he was going to react, she said her mother and brother already knew.

What was she going to tell him?

:patriot: Mark Hawkins has something to say, IMO!

Why would MH have something to say? She didn't tell him anything.
And you cannot believe she wanted to tell him anything that even vaguely resembled the truth, could you. IMO, she was just trying to get him to ask her to California for a get-away from her "misplacing" Caylee problem.

[AJandTam]

Yesterday was a reminder for our family of how precious life is.

As we left the maternity ward where we held our newborn granddaughter, Grace, and we were waiting for an elevator, a nurse was pushing a bed with a sheet draped over an obviously deceased patient.

We chose to wait for the next elevator..

We were stunned by the irony of seeing life begin and another life that had obviously ended. A family was mourning the loss of a loved one.

I thought of Caylee.

Caylee did not get the respect of a funeral and the dignity she deserved like the person under that sheet did.

It was a life experience, for my husband and I and we were both deeply moved to see both sides to life, the beginning and an end.

Caylee deserves to have a proper resting place.:rose:

Congratulations on the new grandbabe.

:rose: for that poor other person.

[GrannyB]

aw jeeze. when we make an excuse to get out of something and our children hear, they've heard us lie and isn't that teaching a child to lie? we've all done that. The Anthony's have enough to answer to, we don't have to invent things too.

Who's inventing? The Anthony's lie constantly. Lying to get out of murder is a big deal. A 3 year old child is DEAD. Big lie , little lie both are bad. Teaching your child to do either is WRONG.

[rosejustrose]

Or even, "I've decided to enlist!"

:patriot:

:shrug:


Lawd help us!!:eek: I doubt Casey would make it through basic. Actually, I doubt she'd make it through the pysch eval. JMO.

[crymeariver2006]

Trust fund administrators received (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-092208,0,7454090.story) threatening e-mails and phone calls
2:15 a.m. Paul Kelley, one of the administrators of the Help Find Caylee Marie Anthony trust fund, said his Winter Park law firm, Bicker & Kelley, received threatening e-mails and harassing phone calls alleging improprieties with the trust fund

Threatening emails and harrassing phone calls?

Oh brother.

Can this trust fund get any more dramatic?

:shrug:

[GrannyB]

ITA.

And clearly, the pictures didn't tell the entire story, did they? Because ... where is Caylee?

Now that was a good one!:biggrin:

[jbellaj]

And, if you watch the video, Cindy's annoying jabbering in the background probably ticked Caylee off a bit. Yes, I think 2 yr olds can get ticked. JMO.


That's why they call them the terrible 2's

[deep*fear]

there is such a thing called mental or oral abuse . Not just physical abuse. Ask Casey

psychological abuse, neglect, sexual abuse - none are necessarily obvious.

[OneUp]

there is such a thing called mental or oral abuse . Not just physical abuse. Ask CaseyNot picking snowjade, but the term is verbal abuse...I sometimes have trouble finding the correct term to apply myself, even when I know it well.
Oral abuse implies something else altogether.

Don't any of you forget that children are pretty resilient and abuse or no abuse, a child can find things to smile about in circumstances that would break an adult. I've seen children smiling lovingly at their abusers and waving to them in court or even cry because they missed them so, I've heard children lie desperately and try to blame themselves for the marks of abuse...even three year olds, I've seen pictures of children laughing and playing in streets destroyed by war.
What we see in pictures doesn't have much value either way to indicate happiness or abuse. Those are just brief moments in time. IMO, a video has more value, but again, it just represents a brief and often staged interlude in the life of a child. Both sides of the POV's on Caylees behavior and body language have merit...maybe she is pressured and unhappy, maybe she is just tired or being pressed to be close to someone she doesn't know well.
I would never base a finding of abuse or neglect off of a photo alone unless it expressed a specific injury... But I do tend to believe that Caylee's life was difficult, at least at times, simply because she lived with Casey AND Cindy who seemed to be in a conflict and power struggle on an ongoing basis. That doesn't make for an ideal childhood.
JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

True. As beautiful a child as Caylee was, I would not want to see a photo of what she looks today, 98 days since the last time anyone saw her. JMO.

Hey Cindy, how's that weight loss program coming?:mad:
And to think Casey deleted up to 200 pictures.:cuss:

[crymeariver2006]

Lawd help us!!:eek: I doubt Casey would make it through basic. Actually, I doubt she'd make it through the pysch eval. JMO.

Nah, she just saw the sign "Looking for a few good men" and she thought to herself, "Hey, what a coinkydink, so am I!!!!"

:D

[GrannyB]

Threatening emails and harrassing phone calls?

Oh brother.

Can this trust fund get any more dramatic?

:shrug:


I bet this whole case is going to get stranger and stranger before it's over.

[redcard]

[QUOTE=AdverseParty;12165539]

No, but I would hope that it would show the LE that I wasnt a person of interest so they could continue to search for my child.

Why NOT take one? Esp if its not usable in court?

I've been in meetings, but let me give you a hint as someone who wants to be a mystery writer.

Police NEVER exclude people by polygraph. Reason? THey know it's not valuable to exclude people by a methodology that is largely unscientific. Plus, the magic of the polygraph is NOT the machine.. but the examiner. People SAY things because they're convinced the machine will flash "LIE" when they lie, but that's not true. If you have ten different examiners, using the same equipment, with the same control questions, their opinions on what is and is not a lie would differ.

So please, don't ever take a polygraph. They don't use them to exclude or include witnesses, they use them as a tool to obtain information that normally wouldn't be offered.

[happy2bme]

Also there were other visitors there to see their own loved ones which were strangers to Caylee. Maybe that bothered her a bit. I thought it was so sweet how GGD sung you are my sunshine to her and she did give him a big hug and kiss. She sure wasn't shy about that. IMO it may have been all the activity that was going on.

When my youngest was Caylee's age (she is 5 now) she was very shy of strangers and even some family members she wasn't around often. I don't think there is anything to read in the picture with GGF. I took it to be a normal toddler.

[Keegan]

Dog digs up child's foot in Alabama. The distance from is about 540 miles but you never know.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/22/dog.foot.ap/index.html

[rosejustrose]

Yesterday was a reminder for our family of how precious life is.

As we left the maternity ward where we held our newborn granddaughter, Grace, and we were waiting for an elevator, a nurse was pushing a bed with a sheet draped over an obviously deceased patient.

We chose to wait for the next elevator..

We were stunned by the irony of seeing life begin and another life that had obviously ended. A family was mourning the loss of a loved one.

I thought of Caylee.

Caylee did not get the respect of a funeral and the dignity she deserved like the person under that sheet did.

It was a life experience, for my husband and I and we were both deeply moved to see both sides to life, the beginning and an end.

Caylee deserves to have a proper resting place.:rose:


How very true!

Congratulations on the new addition to the family:rose: Blessings forever:rose:

[WillowInFlight]

I'm thinking the child is not happy.
I thought she looked terrified.

[bchand]

once again, that is something Casey 'said to someone else', and the problem with that is: she lies. whatever Casey 'told' someone at a particular time IMO can be tossed out the window as bs unless the recipient of the information can state it as fact.

this guy in california, MH: again, I think she was BS'ing him....baiting him....and he didnt bite....or perhaps told her he couldnt assist her if she came out to visit (CA probably whining she didnt have money etc etc).

what she says to someone else doesnt make it fact. what will make a particular statement factual is an end result....

in very instance, it appears there wasnt any 'end result' connected with a statement she made to someone.

for instance, statements similar to these:

- "im picking my daughter up later this afternoon, she's with her nanny" she tells Crisp when she runs into him.... does Crisp know whether she picked Caylee up? No.
-"Caylee is at the beach with the nanny': can anyone confirm that? no. its only what "Casey says'.

best regards,
Pru


That's right Pru - whatever she says is suspect now.

I just shuddered when Lisa Bloom (who's guesting on the Dr. Phil show) just said the fact that Casey lies about "everything" may help her in the long run.

It reminded me so much of Joran vanDerSloot. He lies so much, when he tells the truth, it won't convince a judge.

[rosejustrose]

Is Casey not allowed to drive?


I wouldn't think her ankle bracelet would interfere with driving, IMO. I think one of the stipulations of her bond is that she have adult supervision 24/7. IMO, she is not allowed to be alone.

[bchand]

I thought she looked terrified.

I thought she looked uncomfortable but so did the GGP. Cindy was directing both of them to do things. GGP to keep singing and Caylee a few times to hug and kiss him.

[SavannahStar]

Threatening emails and harrassing phone calls?

Oh brother.

Can this trust fund get any more dramatic?

:shrug:

I cannot understand threatening emails and harrassing phone calls. No matter what anyone thinks of the Anthonys. The attorney stated there was nothing improper about the fund. Period. IF it was determined something was wrong, then I could see people getting all bent outta shape. But ONLY if THEY contributed to it. :cuss:

[cassidy]

And, if you watch the video, Cindy's annoying jabbering in the background probably ticked Caylee off a bit. Yes, I think 2 yr olds can get ticked. JMO.

LOL I know 2 years olds can get ticked. My granddaughter can shoot the nastiest looks if you bother her at the wrong time.

[rosejustrose]

And, viola' The Dr. Phil Show, IMO.

Oh crap, she's up!:D

[jbellaj]

When my youngest was Caylee's age (she is 5 now) she was very shy of strangers and even some family members she wasn't around often. I don't think there is anything to read in the picture with GGF. I took it to be a normal toddler.

I agree with you. :)

[hamebone]

W/little ones that age, It can be anything. You took thier fav toy away or you won't give them anymore cake. I thought she had a sense of being ok in the video. She seemed to enjoy her great grandpa. In that one still photo she did look like she might of been a bit aggitated w/someone she was looking at. Don't know the reason. Maybe thier was some silly reason nothing really bad. It's always hard to say. Maybe she was relaxed w/the great grandpa and someone was bugging her and she just wanted to be left alone.


If it had been a long day and she missed nap time, she may have been sleepy.

I havent seen any photos, of Caylee that made me think she wasnt loved.

I think she was very loved by her Gparents and perhaps Casey loved her in her own way. I'm not sure at this time; if Casey was able to love in the way most parents do.

[marshmallow]

Who's inventing? The Anthony's lie constantly. Lying to get out of murder is a big deal. A 3 year old child is DEAD. Big lie , little lie both are bad. Teaching your child to do either is WRONG.



I'm sorry but I do not believe Caylee was abused.


You said "Teaching your child to lie is mental abuse. Nuff said." that's what I was commenting on.

[AJandTam]

Also there were other visitors there to see their own loved ones which were strangers to Caylee. Maybe that bothered her a bit. I thought it was so sweet how GGD sung you are my sunshine to her and she did give him a big hug and kiss. She sure wasn't shy about that. IMO it may have been all the activity that was going on.

It was very sweet, and I did truly think that Caylee enjoyed being w/the great grandpa, and she certainly didn't seem to mind giving him the big hug and kiss. I saw absolutely no hesitation.

[jbellaj]

Yes, ma'am. I thought GGP was taking direction from Cindy as well. :seeya:

Well lets face it, Cindy is all about control...IMO

[deep*fear]

aw jeeze. when we make an excuse to get out of something and our children hear, they've heard us lie and isn't that teaching a child to lie? we've all done that. The Anthony's have enough to answer to, we don't have to invent things too.

Most people grow up knowing that it's ok to tell a fib that makes someone feel good instead of hurting their feelings -- that's being gracious, not a liar.

Do you think Casey is a Liar or Gracious?

[OneUp]

Dog digs up child's foot in Alabama. The distance from is about 540 miles but you never know.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/22/dog.foot.ap/index.html
How sad...another missing childs remains found. I hope this may bring justice and closure on behalf of this child.
Do we know of any missing children from that area?

[rosejustrose]

Nah, she just saw the sign "Looking for a few good men" and she thought to herself, "Hey, what a coinkydink, so am I!!!!"

:D

:lol: Now that was funny!

[bchand]

I'm sorry but I do not believe Caylee was abused.


You said "Teaching your child to lie is mental abuse. Nuff said." that's what I was commenting on.


My first thought about that is how about if she was constantly exposed to screaming matches between Cindy and Casey? To me, that's a form of abuse.

[Keegan]

How sad...another missing childs remains found. I hope this may bring justice and closure on behalf of this child.
Do we know of any missing children from that area?

"The foot was not badly decomposed, but as far as the gender or the age of the person, we can't be sure until the remains are tested by forensics."


http://www.timesdaily.com/article/20080922/ARTICLES/809220324?Title=Police_look_for_origin_of_foot_fou nd_by_dog

[rosejustrose]

That's right Pru - whatever she says is suspect now.

I just shuddered when Lisa Bloom (who's guesting on the Dr. Phil show) just said the fact that Casey lies about "everything" may help her in the long run.

It reminded me so much of Joran vanDerSloot. He lies so much, when he tells the truth, it won't convince a judge.

How true. A isn't JVDS still a free man? Last I heard Aruba determined they had insufficient evidence to charge the 3 with a crime. But, where is Natalee? Who saw her last?:mad:

[jbellaj]

It was very sweet, and I did truly think that Caylee enjoyed being w/the great grandpa, and she certainly didn't seem to mind giving him the big hug and kiss. I saw absolutely no hesitation.

Also she didn't seem to try and struggle as not to want to sit with him. JMO

[Mandysmom]

So in your mind, you've convinced yourself that the Anthonys taught Casey to lie, right?

That's really funny considering the fact that Cindy is the one who called 911 because Casey wasn't being honest with her.

Oh and let's not forget that it was George who told LE that Casey knew more than she was letting on.

But hey, keep convincing yourself of falsehoods if it makes you feel all cozy inside.

I'm tellin' ya, it's the Anthonys fault that we have Global Warming, it just has to be! :tongue:
Well with all of that hot air they've been blowing since Casey's arrest, I could agree with that.

:)

[Fallen Angel]

I hope so DG, I hope Caylee felt surrounded by love.

i pray that Caylee never had to see George lose his temper or hear Cindy or Casey's foul mouth :(

[OneUp]

Being surrounded by those dysfunctional adults she may have been confused . not know if she should cry or smileI can say from my personal childhood experiences alone, that I know when one grows up in a home surrounded by anger and tensions that one often learns to smile and charm in an attempt to keep everyone distracted and smiling.
Most messed up families have one child who is their diplomat and who attempts to diffuse ugly situations with humor and charm.
Those children grow up to be very charming and appealing to people outside of the family too. It has been my experience that this child in the unit is the one who often survives the best, and goes on to seek out positions of nurture and healing in their adult lives.
JMO.

[need2no]

Dr Phil's Caylee show is on :rose:


Yes...not impressed so far, maybe it will pick up.

Per Dr. Phil- I'm not saying she is guilty. She could be innocent, someone could have her daughter...we just don't know.

Bull..
if she left her daughter with someone and they disappeared with Caylee to an unknown place

if she knew she was kidnapped

if she sold her

if she forgot where or who she left her with

if she died in an accident

if she murdered her

IMO she is GUILTY

How can you get past she did not report to LE that her daughter was missing? Would she have ever gotten around to reporting her missing?

[jbellaj]

Yep. And she was also very invested in keeping up appearances, which is part of the reason there's so much footage of Caylee.

I'm confident Cindy was directing a lot of action from behind her camera.


Lets not forget the her trying to direct in front of the cameras as well with the media. JMO

[AustinsMama]

Caylee was not an abused child (IMO)- my son is almost 2 and sometimes he looks sad in pictures when he doesn't smile. Look at all her videos - she was a normal happy 2 1/2 year old. Sorry had to come in from lurking and give my feedback/ opinion based on my experience with a toddler.

[jbellaj]

Most people grow up knowing that it's ok to tell a fib that makes someone feel good instead of hurting their feelings -- that's being gracious, not a liar.

Do you think Casey is a Liar or Gracious?

IMO there is nothing gracious about Casey at all....

[cassidy]

I cannot understand threatening emails and harrassing phone calls. No matter what anyone thinks of the Anthonys. The attorney stated there was nothing improper about the fund. Period. IF it was determined something was wrong, then I could see people getting all bent outta shape. But ONLY if THEY contributed to it. :cuss:

It's just as possibe that inquiring emails and questioning phone calls morphed into threatening and harassing. maybe the closed it because that was a hassle. JMO

[Keegan]

Caylee was not an abused child (IMO)- my son is almost 2 and sometimes he looks sad in pictures when he doesn't smile. Look at all her videos - she was a normal happy 2 1/2 year old. Sorry had to come in from lurking and give my feedback/ opinion based on my experience with a toddler.

You can find pictures of horribly abused children smiling into the camera. Please....:rolleyes:

[GrandmaGA]

Yep. And she was also very invested in keeping up appearances, which is part of the reason there's so much footage of Caylee.

I'm confident Cindy was directing a lot of action from behind her camera.

You mean if people take pictures of their children or grandchildren it means they are only keeping up appearances? :rolleyes:

[tiny paw-prints]

Why would MH have something to say? She didn't tell him anything.
And you cannot believe she wanted to tell him anything that even vaguely resembled the truth, could you. IMO, she was just trying to get him to ask her to California for a get-away from her "misplacing" Caylee problem.

Last Thursday, you're thinking that LE and FBI traveled from FL to CA just to speak with Padillo & Co. without speaking to Hawkins too? It's my perception that Hawkins has more to say than Padillo & Co. We shall see.

My estimated 24hr timeline of shocking and/or surprising "breaking news" expires at about 10pm tonight.

[AustinsMama]

You can find pictures of horribly abused children smiling into the camera. Please....:rolleyes:

My point is...you cannot tell from a picture whether a child was abused or not. To make that inference based on a picture is ridiculous. So no need for the sarcasm as I stated- IMO.

[marshmallow]

You can find pictures of horribly abused children smiling into the camera. Please....:rolleyes:


is there any proof that Caylee was in any way an abused child?


I've seen none so I refuse to say she was based solely on my dislike of the adult Anthony's words and actions.

[jbellaj]

Yes...not impressed so far, maybe it will pick up.

Per Dr. Phil- I'm not saying she is guilty. She could be innocent, someone could have her daughter...we just don't know.

Bull..
if she left her daughter with someone and they disappeared with Caylee to an unknown place

if she knew she was kidnapped

if she sold her

if she forgot where or who she left her with

if she died in an accident

if she murdered her

IMO she is GUILTY

How can you get past she did not report to LE that her daughter was missing? Would she have ever gotten around to reporting her missing?

IMO "ABSOLUTELY " not!

[Fallen Angel]

My point is...you cannot tell from a picture whether a child was abused or not. To make that inference based on a picture is ridiculous. So no need for the sarcasm as I stated- IMO.

ITA :beer:

[SavannahStar]

It's just as possibe that inquiring emails and questioning phone calls morphed into threatening and harassing. maybe the closed it because that was a hassle. JMO


I'm not so sure I would believe Sun Trust Bank or the law firm would lie or even exaggerate.

[crymeariver2006]

2 things from Dr. Phil

1) NeJame says of the Anthonys "...they were great grandparents....." (past tense)

2) Lisa Bloom claims that "they dug up their entire backyard because of one cadaver dog hit. (When did this happen?)

(I wasn't going to watch, but my dogs wanted out and I was passing thru the den...)

[redcard]

I'm not so sure I would believe Sun Trust Bank or the law firm would lie or even exaggerate.

Truth.

With all the comments around here about Casey and the Anthony's, is anyone really surprised that there are people out there that take it further?

Really?

[rosejustrose]

My first thought about that is how about if she was constantly exposed to screaming matches between Cindy and Casey? To me, that's a form of abuse.


That was my thoughts, too. Just the way Casey talked to Cindy in those phone calls it was apparent she was comfortable cussing her mother out. If there was a battle of wills in that house between Cindy and Casey, I'm sure there were screaming matches that Caylee couldn't help but overhear. JMO.

[Keegan]

Respectfully, there are many types of abuse. Caylee was very likely not physically abused. Up until her death, of course.

Go look up little Nixzmary Brown, age 7. She was horribly abused and smiles so big and beautiful into the camera.

[OneUp]

You can find pictures of horribly abused children smiling into the camera. Please....:rolleyes:I have personally housed and picked up from the hospital children with horrifying injuries who continued to laugh and smile.
Children have a natural desire to be happy and take pleasure in life...the simplest things bring them joy.
JMO.

[lonetraveler]

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/timeline/june9-june14/june9-june14.html A good timeline of events in case


-------------------------------
Thanks for the timeline. I have been looking at all timelines that I see on this investigation just in case something new stands out. In this timeline I did notice that the timeline shows that Casey left the car at the Amscot on June 27th. The timeline also shows that Casey and Jesse go to the beach from June 27th to June 28th. Question? Did Jesse pick up Casey at the Amscot and then they traveled to the beach? Did he follow her to the Amscot and she just parked her car and then hopped in his and off they went? Since the timeline states June 27th to June 28th, did they get a room for the night at the beach? I think that Jesse has a lot more info than he is admitting to the public in the many interviews that he is giving. I am not going to be fooled by his polite demeaner. Yes, he tood a LDT, when asked last night on Geraldo if he passed, he just stammered that he took one and that the LE were satisfied with it.

I would really like to know how the two of them got together that day. Wonder if he helped her with her overnight bag or anything else Casey took with her?

Casey had so many men going at the same time. She seemed to be bursting with wanting to tell someone something, really bad.

[AJandTam]

If it had been a long day and she missed nap time, she may have been sleepy.

I havent seen any photos, of Caylee that made me think she wasnt loved.

I think she was very loved by her Gparents and perhaps Casey loved her in her own way. I'm not sure at this time; if Casey was able to love in the way most parents do.

That very well could have been that she was sleepy, trying to sleep and the grandmother started talking and she just got aggrivated cause she wanted to be left alone to drift off in the comfort of great grandpa's arms. I am afraid that pic's are not really going to tell us too much at all. Now we are just trying to figure it all out but we can't. Yes, it is odd that no one in that family looks for this missing baby. It is also hard not to wonder if those who are outside thier home taking hammers and bats outside to fight w/strangers are non violent loving people. ?? Going out to fight in the streets w/someone else who is w/thier child and fighting in front of someone elses child bothers me.

[jakee]

2 things from Dr. Phil

1) NeJame says of the Anthonys "...they were great grandparents....." (past tense)

2) Lisa Bloom claims that "they dug up their entire backyard because of one cadaver dog hit. (When did this happen?)

(I wasn't going to watch, but my dogs wanted out and I was passing thru the den...)

I never heard they dug up the entire backyard either.

[Keegan]

Caylee was not an abused child (IMO)- my son is almost 2 and sometimes he looks sad in pictures when he doesn't smile. Look at all her videos - she was a normal happy 2 1/2 year old. Sorry had to come in from lurking and give my feedback/ opinion based on my experience with a toddler.

My point is...you cannot tell from a picture whether a child was abused or not. To make that inference based on a picture is ridiculous. So no need for the sarcasm as I stated- IMO.

It is not what you said in your first quote. You say in that quote she is a normal happy child based on your experience. Based on my experience she could be abused. We don't know. A picture isn't worth a thousand words always.

[need2no]

2 things from Dr. Phil

1) NeJame says of the Anthonys "...they were great grandparents....." (past tense)

2) Lisa Bloom claims that "they dug up their entire backyard because of one cadaver dog hit. (When did this happen?)

(I wasn't going to watch, but my dogs wanted out and I was passing thru the den...)

2) it didn't happen (exaggeration)

Way too much time spent focusing on whoa-is-me for the grandparents... No mention of their ever changing stories and flat out lies.
Ahhh....Cindy has lost 25lbs. (thought it was 29) Told the reporter she only eats one meal per day. Don't use this often but gotta do it... barf

[hamebone]

Go look up little Nixzmary Brown, age 7. She was horribly abused and smiles so big and beautiful into the camera.


And that adds to the point, you cant tell by pictures..

[Kathlb]

Good Afternoon Everyone, I don't know if this article has been posted or not but the State Attorney's Office is reviewing complaints made about the donation accounts set up in the Caylee Marie Anthony case, according to spokesman Randy Means.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-092208,0,7454090.story

[sofiesmom]

When did Dr Phil record this? It's old news to most of us, but still we (I) watch. D'Onofrio (sp) is good, though.

[Keegan]

And based on Caylee's experience ... the fact that she's been misplaced and all ... it seems likely things were not as they appeared in all those smiling pictures.

Very likely ~~~~

[rosejustrose]

It's just as possibe that inquiring emails and questioning phone calls morphed into threatening and harassing. maybe the closed it because that was a hassle. JMO

Anyone reading these message boards would have noticed that folks were questioning the validity of this trust fund. It could very well be that a lot of folks sent checks/cash/money orders directly to the Anthonys early on and now want an accounting of their contributions. I have no doubt the funds the bank received were administered properly, it's the funds that Lee and George received that probably brought all this negative attention to the fund. JMO.

[AJandTam]

Also she didn't seem to try and struggle as not to want to sit with him. JMO

No she didn't. I think the one poster might have been right. Perhaps she was just comfy w/the great grandpa and was drifting off to sleep when the grandmother interrupted her and she just gave the grandma a look because it woke her back up again.

[canada]

If it had been a long day and she missed nap time, she may have been sleepy.

I havent seen any photos, of Caylee that made me think she wasnt loved.

I think she was very loved by her Gparents and perhaps Casey loved her in her own way. I'm not sure at this time; if Casey was able to love in the way most parents do.

I'm an ex jail guard and I have booked in many nasty people accused of doing very nasty things....and then they start crying about their kids as if they are mother of the year. Even they love their children in their mixed up sort of way. They abuse them and can't provide for them but yet they "love" them. People's perceptions and definitions are different than yours and mine. I am sure Caylee was loved by the family including Casey. Unfortunately Casey put herself and her lifestyle first and her daughter suffered to the point of death.

[Keegan]

And that adds to the point, you cant tell by pictures..


Which is not what the poster stated.

[need2no]

When did Dr Phil record this? It's old news to most of us, but still we (I) watch. D'Onofrio (sp) is good, though.

I think I read it was recorded last Wednesday.

[jbellaj]

:seeya: I'm on my way home. I'll check in later. Stay safe.

[tiny paw-prints]

It has not been proven.

The fund is being investigated at this very moment. :)

I haven't seen Lee in about a week. Did he disappear with the PayPal balance? :eek:

We received our new PayPal card in the U.S. Mail this week, along with 2 PayPal email alerts; 9/16/08 "Your new PayPal Debit Card is on it's way" and 9/22/08 "Let PayPal help you sell overseas"!

[rosejustrose]

You mean if people take pictures of their children or grandchildren it means they are only keeping up appearances? :rolleyes:


Not anwsering for SW but I think her point was the amount of photos and video footage taken of Caylee. It seems to be an extraordinary amount, even for a first baby/grandchild. The camera or vid just seemed to be very handy. Like maybe they were overcompensating to try and make things appear honky dorey. JMO.

[SavannahStar]

is there any proof that Caylee was in any way an abused child?


I've seen none so I refuse to say she was based solely on my dislike of the adult Anthony's words and actions.


Same here. :beer:

[marshmallow]

Caylee is missing and likely no longer alive. What other proof would you like?


so far I've seen fighting in front of her or cursing in front of her as examples of why people feel she was abused.
If those are good examples then my neighbors should lose their kids.

Is it good to fight or curse in front of children? no it isn't.
Is it "child abuse"? I didn't know it was and if it is there's a whole lot of parents who would be considered abusive. I bet we can each name a couple.

[rosejustrose]

Last Thursday, you're thinking that LE and FBI traveled from FL to CA just to speak with Padillo & Co. without speaking to Hawkins too? It's my perception that Hawkins has more to say than Padillo & Co. We shall see.

My estimated 24hr timeline of shocking and/or surprising "breaking news" expires at about 10pm tonight.

IIRC it does expire around 10 tonight. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and my prayers at the ready that little Caylee is found. JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Truth.

With all the comments around here about Casey and the Anthony's, is anyone really surprised that there are people out there that take it further?

Really?

Oh I'm not at all surprised. Not at all.

[OneUp]

I'm not so sure I would believe Sun Trust Bank or the law firm would lie or even exaggerate.I personally think any concerns are with things like the PayPal, or money sent directly to the home...not the trust. BUT do you believe that the bank or the attorney would make public statements about any concerns prior tothe completion of an investigation anyway? I tend to think that stating any concerns publically at this juncture could create problems....of a potentially legal nature. So I do thik they would lie...in a very carefully worded and perfectly legal manner, but lie they would to avoid fanning the flames.

I do think the decision is based upon a choice to remove their name from any forthcoming investigation due to potential PR reprecussions of anything "hinkey" is found. Just as is true for an attorney, for a bank even the appearance of impropriety could be devastatinig.

I have never heard of a bank closing a trust before due to public outcry, and some prety despicable folks have sought donations to support their defense, etc.
I think this is one thing that will have to be a wait and see down the road situation...I'm glad it is being looked into as it will either clear people who are doing right of any insinuations of wrongdoing OR it will catch anyone up to no good and put a stop to it. Either outcome is positive IMO.
JMO.

[canada]

And that adds to the point, you cant tell by pictures..

You are right. Children may not even be aware that they are being abused.

[rosejustrose]

is there any proof that Caylee was in any way an abused child?


I've seen none so I refuse to say she was based solely on my dislike of the adult Anthony's words and actions.

I think the abuse started on or about June 16, 2008, IMO.

[Broderick]

Good Afternoon Everyone, I don't know if this article has been posted or not but the State Attorney's Office is reviewing complaints made about the donation accounts set up in the Caylee Marie Anthony case, according to spokesman Randy Means.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-092208,0,7454090.story


Reviewing complaints may not be a standard investigation into the fundraising itself. They may be reviewing the harassment and threats as well. Equally, those items could warrant an investigation if either side of the complaints warrant further action. Won't know for awhile.

[shelbar53]

I think if something did happen to caylee under caseys care it was an accident...casey paniced and ever since she had an emotional - disconnect type of behavior.
She made up that stupid story.
Convinced her parents there was a kidnapping.
her parents so desperate to believe her said anything stupid thing to support their daughter, and or repeated things she said...IE the reason she borrowed the shovel, her dad saying he saw her leave on the 16th, saying they had heard about the nanny for years.
Then the news from the FBI. The parents realized that caylee is dead. But the entire situation has snowballed and the parents dont know what to do, except wait for LE to make the next move.
I feel casey is in such a state of disconnect/shock which would explain her lack of emotions and the lies.
The entire family needs intensive counseling. They are in protective mode against the entire world.

[Keegan]

So? Caylee was in the age 2 almost 3 stage. My almost 3 yr. grandaughter would act no differently. Except we wouldn't force her to sit for a pic ( I take too many ), we use red licorice inticement/bribery for pics I want to take and send to family. I don't tell my grandaughter to hug and kiss or say good night to a family member, I remind her, after all they are in the learning process. IMO you are reading too much into a toddlers behavior. JMO

If young children are not used to be around the very elderly they hesitate, too. Let's face it. To them their appearance is unusual and that is enough to make them fearful at that age.

[rosejustrose]

Go look up little Nixzmary Brown, age 7. She was horribly abused and smiles so big and beautiful into the camera.


That was a horrible case. RIP Nixzmary:rose:

[crymeariver2006]

Anyone reading these message boards would have noticed that folks were questioning the validity of this trust fund. It could very well be that a lot of folks sent checks/cash/money orders directly to the Anthonys early on and now want an accounting of their contributions. I have no doubt the funds the bank received were administered properly, it's the funds that Lee and George received that probably brought all this negative attention to the fund. JMO.


Exactly.

And before some of us donate to anything, we ask for an accounting statement. We want to know how much is going to where (i.e. overhead, administration).

What ticks me off is that the lawyer and the bank (supposedly) claim they got e-mails from TES searchers. I would question how they knew that or where they got that information.

[martha]

I think dr phil comes on here at 3 so I am going to watch it will be back in a little while. I want to check with all you good posters to see if there is any ne news on caylee. :rose:

[summer4meplz]

casey had dark circles under her eyes too.. did yousee he arrest photos?


she also told kristine that she hadn't slept for 4 days.....that will put the circles under the eyes...

[marshmallow]

<snipped>is also hard not to wonder if those who are outside thier home taking hammers and bats outside to fight w/strangers are non violent loving people. ?? Going out to fight in the streets w/someone else who is w/thier child and fighting in front of someone elses child bothers me.




I am going to reply and then step outside for a walk with the dog. I suggest we all take a step back for a few too.

Those children you talk of had parents who took them there.
I dislike the Anthony's part in it and at the same time I find the most blame with parents putting their children in that position. That's a poor parenting choice right there.

[OneUp]

I can agree with what you're saying . But it doesn't always turn out that way does it.
No, it sadly does not...more of the children from unhappy and unfit homes go on to lead difficult lives as adults...I still struggle with anxiety and depression, even with years of therapy and a blessed life as an adult.
And I am a "sucess" story.
JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Not anwsering for SW but I think her point was the amount of photos and video footage taken of Caylee. It seems to be an extraordinary amount, even for a first baby/grandchild. The camera or vid just seemed to be very handy. Like maybe they were overcompensating to try and make things appear honky dorey. JMO.


Or maybe not. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

I have a TON of photos of my son when he was young. Nothing sinister going on in our family.

[hamebone]

Not anwsering for SW but I think her point was the amount of photos and video footage taken of Caylee. It seems to be an extraordinary amount, even for a first baby/grandchild. The camera or vid just seemed to be very handy. Like maybe they were overcompensating to try and make things appear honky dorey. JMO.


I have some many things on tape of my two children when they were young. They are adults now and I have alot of my dad with them, who has passed on.
I wouldnt take anything for them they are priceless to me.
Maybe Cindy wanted films of Caylee and her elderly GGdaddy for Caylee to see when she grew older. To remember him by.

[Keegan]

No, it sadly does not...more of the children from unhappy and unfit homes go on to lead difficult lives as adults...I still struggle with anxiety and depression, even with years of therapy and a blessed life as an adult.
And I am a "sucess" story.
JMO.

:rose: for you and all abused children

[SavannahStar]

Exactly.

And before some of us donate to anything, we ask for an accounting statement. We want to know how much is going to where (i.e. overhead, administration).

What ticks me off is that the lawyer and the bank (supposedly) claim they got e-mails from TES searchers. I would question how they knew that or where they got that information.

Maybe they signed their emails with that information? That wouldn't surprise me. So many people seem so angry, claiming the Anthonys are not searching....and I think that surely includes some people who have searched with TES. So I don't find it at all surprising that some TES searchers may have written regarding the fund.

[AJandTam]

I am going to reply and then step outside for a walk with the dog. I suggest we all take a step back for a few too.

Those children you talk of had parents who took them there.
I dislike the Anthony's part in it and at the same time I find the most blame with parents putting their children in that position. That's a poor parenting choice right there.

Enjoy your walk.

Don't me wrong Marshmellow. I agree, I don't think the children should have been there w/the iggy parents either. I"m just saying that loving people don't do that. People who are loving w/children like my best bud Deanna. She would walk away from something before she would argue or get into an altercation w/someone when a child is present. It's just maturity and knowing when little ones are present that adults should maintain a certain hold on thier tempers.

[redcard]

I have some many things on tape of my two children when they were young. They are adults now and I have alot of my dad with them, who has passed on.
I wouldnt take anything for them they are priceless to me.
Maybe Cindy wanted films of Caylee and her elderly GGdaddy for Caylee to see when she grew older. To remember him by.

You have to remember, we're now in a generation where even the phones have video capture devices on them. Go to a concert nowadays, and you'll see thousands of people recording via cellphones. Go home, and you'll, within hours, see the stuff appear on Youtube. A close family member of mine has nearly 4000 hours of footage of his children.

It costs nothing to take a picture nowadays and save it on your computer, and you can have it output to a digital picture frame or send it to other family members via email.

Casey is 22 years old now. Her generation thinks nothing of making tons of recordings.

I wouldn't find anything suspicious about that. Go look at myspace sometime and you can see everyone doing it.

[Reasonable]

[QUOTE=Albini;12165555]

I've been in meetings, but let me give you a hint as someone who wants to be a mystery writer.

Police NEVER exclude people by polygraph. Reason? THey know it's not valuable to exclude people by a methodology that is largely unscientific. Plus, the magic of the polygraph is NOT the machine.. but the examiner. People SAY things because they're convinced the machine will flash "LIE" when they lie, but that's not true. If you have ten different examiners, using the same equipment, with the same control questions, their opinions on what is and is not a lie would differ.

So please, don't ever take a polygraph. They don't use them to exclude or include witnesses, they use them as a tool to obtain information that normally wouldn't be offered.

I had 2 police officers show up at my apartment one day telling me that my former roommates had accused me of stealing their stereo. They asked me if I would take a LDT. I said sure. They drove me to the police station, put me in a room, hooked me up and ask me about 25 questions.

When it was over I was told to wait in the hallway. Then the officers came out and told me the test said I couldn't lie if my life depended on it. They drove me home and I never heard a word from anyone again.

I agreed to the LDt because I knew I hadn't taken anything.

How do you explain that?

[penguinlady]

Not anwsering for SW but I think her point was the amount of photos and video footage taken of Caylee. It seems to be an extraordinary amount, even for a first baby/grandchild. The camera or vid just seemed to be very handy. Like maybe they were overcompensating to try and make things appear honky dorey. JMO.

Well..I hope you never see all the pictures that have been taken of my little guy. They aren't to impress anyone or overcompensating for anything. I love to take photos.

Toddlers are strange. One day they may run up and give the biggest bear hug..the next time they see you it may take a while.

I see alot wrong with the Anthony family. I don't see anything wrong with any of the pics of sweet Caylee. She looks like a happy little girl.

IMO
K

[AustinsMama]

It is not what you said in your first quote. You say in that quote she is a normal happy child based on your experience. Based on my experience she could be abused. We don't know. A picture isn't worth a thousand words always.

I'll go back to lurking again- didn't mean to stir the pot. Again- my son looks sad in some pictures and he is not abused in any way and is actually very happy- so the point I was making, which again is IMO, you simply cannot determine a child is abused from a picture/ video.

[rosejustrose]

:seeya: I'm on my way home. I'll check in later. Stay safe.

see ya later jbella:seeya: Safe trip home!

[crymeariver2006]

Maybe they signed their emails with that information? That wouldn't surprise me. So many people seem so angry, claiming the Anthonys are not searching....and I think that surely includes some people who have searched with TES. So I don't find it at all surprising that some TES searchers may have written regarding the fund.

Could be. It could also be that they were lead to believe that SunTrust would cover $$ for the initial searches and SunTrust said they couldn't or wouldn't do that.

It IS strange for a bank and an attorney to both close a trust over a few emails. They would just send an accounting and be done with it. The records should be open to anyone who wishes to look at them.

And then again, maybe the emails were fakes and just another way to slam TES by the Anthonys. There IS a history of fake emails in this case.

Just sayin'......

[Keegan]

[QUOTE=redcard;12165779]

I had 2 police officers show up at my apartment one day telling me that my former roommates had accused me of stealing their stereo. They asked me if I would take a LDT. I said sure. They drove me to the police station, put me in a room, hooked me up and ask me about 25 questions.

When it was over I was told to wait in the hallway. Then the officers came out and told me the test said I couldn't lie if my life depended on it. They drove me home and I never heard a word from anyone again.

I agreed to the LDt because I knew I hadn't taken anything.

How do you explain that?

I am from a strong LE family and they most certainly do use LDT to help them decide which way to go in an investigation. They can tell much just by the body language and reaction when someone is asked to take the darn thing.

[steffaroob4]

Orlando, Florida -- Monday Sept. 22, 2008
(From Natisha Lance, Nancy Grace Field Producer) (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/)

2:37 PM ET - George Anthony leaves home without stepping outside. He was already in his car ready to back out when the garage door went up. Casey Anthony is inside the home after a meeting with her home confinement officer. She will not leave the house again today. She will go to meet with her attorney tomorrow at 10 a.m

[Unperson1984]

Respectfully, there are many types of abuse. Caylee was very likely not physically abused. Up until her death, of course.

From what we have heard from others, Caylee was always a bright, happy, outgoing and friendly little girl. Doesn't sound like the profile of an abused child.

[SavannahStar]

Could be. It could also be that they were lead to believe that SunTrust would cover $$ for the initial searches and SunTrust said they couldn't or wouldn't do that.

It IS strange for a bank and an attorney to both close a trust over a few emails. They would just send an accounting and be done with it. The records should be open to anyone who wishes to look at them.

And then again, maybe the emails were fakes and just another way to slam TES by the Anthonys. There IS a history of fake emails in this case.

Just sayin'......

You know, from the anger and hatred I see on not only this, but many other message boards, toward the Anthonys, it doesn't surprise me one iota that they received many, many, many "legitimate" emails concerning the fund. I doubt there was need for any "fakes."

[bluwaters]

I cannot understand threatening emails and harrassing phone calls. No matter what anyone thinks of the Anthonys. The attorney stated there was nothing improper about the fund. Period. IF it was determined something was wrong, then I could see people getting all bent outta shape. But ONLY if THEY contributed to it. :cuss:

I agree SS. This is too much. Why threaten and harass the bank and the attorney? It strikes me as odd that emails and calls from angry people who clearly dislike the Anthony's would be enough to cause the bank and the law firm to close out the account.

I doubt that there is any problem with the funds administered by Bicker & Kelley. If there is a problem with the donations, it seems to me it would be with the money going directly to the family and the cash donations collected. Let the investigation by the State Attorney's Office proceed.

I fail to understand why EquuSearch was brought into this by Kelley.
I feel certain that neither EquuSearch nor anyone representing them did such a thing. It is not believable that anyone would identify themselves as an EquuSearch volunteer and threaten and/or harass the bank and the attorneys. What would be the point in that? With over 1,200 volunteers in the time that ES was in Orlando, there is no way that ES can be held accountable for a couple of individual's bad behavior. This has nothing to do with ES anyway. :confused:

I also fail to understand what the money is being collected for.
It would be nice to see some accountability that the funds are in fact being used to help find Caylee.

I don't doubt that there was not a lot of money in the SunTrust account. It doesn't seem likely that many people would donate to the Anthony's for an invisible search until Casey tells what happened to her child. That is probably never going to happen.

Nevertheless, people are free to spend their own money however they choose. :shrug:

[tashi]

I think if something did happen to caylee under caseys care it was an accident...casey paniced and ever since she had an emotional - disconnect type of behavior.
She made up that stupid story.
Convinced her parents there was a kidnapping.
her parents so desperate to believe her said anything stupid thing to support their daughter, and or repeated things she said...IE the reason she borrowed the shovel, her dad saying he saw her leave on the 16th, saying they had heard about the nanny for years.
Then the news from the FBI. The parents realized that caylee is dead. But the entire situation has snowballed and the parents dont know what to do, except wait for LE to make the next move.
I feel casey is in such a state of disconnect/shock which would explain her lack of emotions and the lies.
The entire family needs intensive counseling. They are in protective mode against the entire world.


I'm on the fence whether it was an accident or intentional...

The thing that bothers me the most is the timing...GP's were very upset about Casey stealing from her grandparents and Cindy was seeking help from a therapist on what to do with Casey.

It just seems very odd that all this turmoil was brewing and then poof, Caylee disappears. Strange coincidence or an angry outlash at her parents....hmmm, I guess I'm leaning a little more to the angry outlash

[hamebone]

You have to remember, we're now in a generation where even the phones have video capture devices on them. Go to a concert nowadays, and you'll see thousands of people recording via cellphones. Go home, and you'll, within hours, see the stuff appear on Youtube. A close family member of mine has nearly 4000 hours of footage of his children.

It costs nothing to take a picture nowadays and save it on your computer, and you can have it output to a digital picture frame or send it to other family members via email.

Casey is 22 years old now. Her generation thinks nothing of making tons of recordings.

I wouldn't find anything suspicious about that. Go look at myspace sometime and you can see everyone doing it.

ITA, I have tons of my grandson he is 4 1/2 and you are right. I have a new Grandson born just this month and his picture was sent out by email only hours after his birth. I have over a hundred of him and his is less than a month old....:)

[redcard]

[QUOTE=redcard;12165779]

I had 2 police officers show up at my apartment one day telling me that my former roommates had accused me of stealing their stereo. They asked me if I would take a LDT. I said sure. They drove me to the police station, put me in a room, hooked me up and ask me about 25 questions.

When it was over I was told to wait in the hallway. Then the officers came out and told me the test said I couldn't lie if my life depended on it. They drove me home and I never heard a word from anyone again.

I agreed to the LDt because I knew I hadn't taken anything.

How do you explain that?

Easy.

The test doesn't tell anyone if you lie. Okay? It's not a lie detector test. It does NOT DETECT LIES. It does NOT DETECT THE TRUTH.

It detects subtle changes in various vital signs that may or may not be a sign of dishonesty. The trick is in the implementor using the machine to his or her advantage to ask the questions in the right manner.

But it does NOT detect lies. The reason you never heard from the police again was that they likely found the stolen material at a pawn shop. The point of bringing you in was to see if you'd give them something to impeach yourself immediately and make their lives easier.

Police do NOT clear people using lie detector tests. They clear people using other methods. Police KNOW lie detector tests are another tool in their interrogative arsenal, and use it thusly.

[lchal2002]

Dr. Phil is discussing this case!

[Ionmhainn]

is there any proof that Caylee was in any way an abused child?


I've seen none so I refuse to say she was based solely on my dislike of the adult Anthony's words and actions.


Good post. I think it's good to remember that these photographs are being viewed with a "jaundiced eye," so to speak. Had we seen them "before," we'd probably think they were simply "moments in time," as with our own family albums. We wouldn't be looking for anything "extra."

It does make me think of that old saying about no two eyewitnesses seeing the same thing.
;)
jmo

[AJandTam]

I think it's safe to say that a 2 year-old who gets misplaced by her mother and whose grandparents have made no productive effort to locate her, was living in an unstable situation.

Abuse is just a word. Call whatever led up to Caylee's disappearance whatever you like. The child is gone. Something was wrong in that household.

Sometimes children do get kidnapped and their isn't necessarly anything that the parents did wrong. Such as Jessica Lunsford. All they did w/that little girl was put her in bed at night. In that case, I don't blame anyone. Yet, in this case, there was some serious problems somewhere. It could be that the mother was just a bad, horrible person who did abuse her child. And the grandp's just never realized how bad it was until it was too late. However, something was definately wrong. The pic don't tell us much at all, but the story of this disappearance does.

[crymeariver2006]

You know, from the anger and hatred I see on not only this, but many other message boards, toward the Anthonys, it doesn't surprise me one iota that they received many, many, many "legitimate" emails concerning the fund. I doubt there was need for any "fakes."

Legitimate? Yes

Threatening and harrassing? I'd have to see proof of that first.

Again, I do not like the fact that an attorney and a bank singled out TES searchers as the sources of the emails.

But considering the hatred that Cindy displayed toward Tim Miller and TES, it wouldn't surprise me if she said every email came from one of their searchers.

I don't usually donate to anything unless I receive information up front about their operating expenses and what my $$ will go towards.

[trich]

IMO the Anthonys started lying on July 16/17 when they realized
That Caylee was missing and they smelled decomposition in the car.
When Casey said that Caylee had been missing for 31 days.
They knew then that Casey had done something to Caylee and went into protective mode.
Because of this they have changed their stories many times and people have heard and seen them lie all to cover up for Casey.
In the meantime they refuse to openly admit to the fact that their daughter is a thief and a compulsive liar and most likely killed thier grandaughter.
How they can expect anyone to have compassion and understanding for their behavior is unreal.
They know the truth but are just avoiding it in order to cover up for Casey ...again....

[joolz]

I'm not sure why so many are being so defensive about their own situations?

If you know where your children and grandchildren are, then you're comparing apples to oranges.

The way Caylee's life looked in pictures is clearly not what Caylee's life was really like. She's gone and likely dead, with involvement of her mother. That's the point.


I was wondering the same thing. IMO people are using pix of Caylee as some kind of Rorschach test here. All kinds of personal projections that will probably never be verified one way or another.

Your last paragraph is right on target: the point is this little girl is missing and likely dead with the involvement of her mother. I just hope that her life was as happy as many seem to think, until whatever horrible thing happened to her. JMO

[rosejustrose]

Maybe they signed their emails with that information? That wouldn't surprise me. So many people seem so angry, claiming the Anthonys are not searching....and I think that surely includes some people who have searched with TES. So I don't find it at all surprising that some TES searchers may have written regarding the fund.

Or, it could be that some TES volunteers also contributed money through the Anthony's accounts for the trust fund and are questioning where their funds went. JMO. IIRC there were a lot of folks out searching with TES, I wouldn't assume these supposed emails came from official TES workers. JMO, again.

[Reasonable]

[QUOTE=Reasonable;12166033]


Better question is, how do you explain the numerous people who have taken a LDT, passed, and then it's proven that they weren't truthful?

For the simple fact that LDTs are not the absolute tool of truth, which is the very reason that they're not admissible.


I know they aren't admissable. I can't explain why others take them and pass then are found lying.

I can only go on my own experience and if I were falsley accused again I do beleive I would take the test again. Call me stupid, but the truth seemed so easy.

eta, this quoting is really screwed up!

[emanondeeni]

From what we have heard from others, Caylee was always a bright, happy, outgoing and friendly little girl. Doesn't sound like the profile of an abused child.

The only hint of anything even sounding like it could possibly be abuse is the mention of one photo (maybe 2 photos) sent to LE by a hair stylist that supposedly showed bruising. This was brought out by Yuri in his testimony at the bond hearing. Other than that, I don't recall anything said by anyone that knew Caylee that would indicate she was abused by her family members.

[Unperson1984]

Does that make her any less dead? I don't understand your point.


The point is there is no basis to say Caylee was an abused child. It's pure speculation with no foundation in fact.

[AJandTam]

That's my point, thank you. In the Caylee Anthony case, the pictures of the child tell us nothing about what her life was really like. Otherwise, she'd be in her bedroom playing with her Mr. Potato Heads and I'd be getting some work done.

Agreed completely. IMHO, there was NO KIDNAPPING. I can't really says I think it was anything accidental either. JMO, only time will tell.

[Keegan]

The point is there is no basis to say Caylee was an abused child. It's pure speculation with no foundation in fact.

Pure speculation? What papers are you reading? A mother misplaces her child for over thirty days and does not report her missing? I would call it abuse. What mother just allows her child to wonder the universe without finding them? Without worrying if someone is harming them? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee :punch:

[SavannahStar]

Good post. I think it's good to remember that these photographs are being viewed with a "jaundiced eye," so to speak. Had we seen them "before," we'd probably think they were simply "moments in time," as with our own family albums. We wouldn't be looking for anything "extra."

It does make me think of that old saying about no two eyewitnesses seeing the same thing.
;)
jmo


Your comment re seeing them with a "jaundiced eye".......how true! Excellent point!

[penguinlady]

I'm not sure why so many are being so defensive about their own situations?

If you know where your children and grandchildren are, then you're comparing apples to oranges.

The way Caylee's life looked in pictures is clearly not what Caylee's life was really like. She's gone and likely dead, with involvement of her mother. That's the point.

But we still don't know why???

We don't know what her life was like. Her being missing may have been from a tragic mistake, it could have been a moment of spite. That doesn't mean that Caylee wasn't loved and was unhappy or abused.

K

[luvinlife]

Exactly.

And before some of us donate to anything, we ask for an accounting statement. We want to know how much is going to where (i.e. overhead, administration).

What ticks me off is that the lawyer and the bank (supposedly) claim they got e-mails from TES searchers. I would question how they knew that or where they got that information.



I don't know this for a fact but I do think that some that complained said they had searched with TES while they were in Orlando, and that may be where the confusion came in. moo

[rosejustrose]

rosejustrose... you are right. The only videos & pics we seen so far are current/up to date. There are a few scattered ones when Caylee was smaller ,but not so many.

I wonder if the Anthonys have as many photos of Casey when she was a little girl. I've seen a few here and there but not many. It appears Casey loved to be in photos and from what I understand, photography was a hobby for her. JMO.

[GrannyB]

Legitimate? Yes

Threatening and harrassing? I'd have to see proof of that first.

Again, I do not like the fact that an attorney and a bank singled out TES searchers as the sources of the emails.

But considering the hatred that Cindy displayed toward Tim Miller and TES, it wouldn't surprise me if she said every email came from one of their searchers.

I don't usually donate to anything unless I receive information up front about their operating expenses and what my $$ will go towards.

It wouldn't surprise me if Cindy sent the emails. We know of one other person in the family who sends fake emails to herself. Cindy turning on Tim Miller was strange. He was looking for her grandchild. The Anthony's sure do have their priorities mixed up.

[bluwaters]

I'm an ex jail guard and I have booked in many nasty people accused of doing very nasty things....and then they start crying about their kids as if they are mother of the year. Even they love their children in their mixed up sort of way. They abuse them and can't provide for them but yet they "love" them. People's perceptions and definitions are different than yours and mine. I am sure Caylee was loved by the family including Casey. Unfortunately Casey put herself and her lifestyle first and her daughter suffered to the point of death.
Thank you for this post. I think that they all loved Caylee but Casey couldn't handle being a mother first. Something happened and Caylee died and then disappeared. The A's have circled around to protect Casey because I think they know Caylee is gone forever. They don't want to lose Casey too.
I don't agree with what they're doing and I do believe the truth will come out. It's not likely to come from Casey or her family though.

jmho

[shelbar53]

I'm on the fence whether it was an accident or intentional...

The thing that bothers me the most is the timing...GP's were very upset about Casey stealing from her grandparents and Cindy was seeking help from a therapist on what to do with Casey.

It just seems very odd that all this turmoil was brewing and then poof, Caylee disappears. Strange coincidence or an angry outlash at her parents....hmmm, I guess I'm leaning a little more to the angry outlash

Ok lets say angry outlash/rage at mother...when the nasty deed was done...it must of been an OMG what have I done. Rage actions can take a split second but when the rage has subsided, one can see the outcome of their actions...this case a dead child, thats when the shock comes into play. OMG what have I done, my parents will be devastated, I am devasated...I cant handled this...boom emotional disconnect.

[SavannahStar]

Legitimate? Yes

Threatening and harrassing? I'd have to see proof of that first.

Again, I do not like the fact that an attorney and a bank singled out TES searchers as the sources of the emails.

But considering the hatred that Cindy displayed toward Tim Miller and TES, it wouldn't surprise me if she said every email came from one of their searchers.

I don't usually donate to anything unless I receive information up front about their operating expenses and what my $$ will go towards.

I don't see why it doesn't seem logical to you that some TES searchers might send these types of emails. I can easily see them myself, "WE are SEARCHING for Caylee!!! That family is NOT!!! :cuss: What are they DOING with that money? Living off it??????" Sheesh I hear this on all the boards. Haven't you?

[rosejustrose]

Orlando, Florida -- Monday Sept. 22, 2008
(From Natisha Lance, Nancy Grace Field Producer) (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/)

2:37 PM ET - George Anthony leaves home without stepping outside. He was already in his car ready to back out when the garage door went up. Casey Anthony is inside the home after a meeting with her home confinement officer. She will not leave the house again today. She will go to meet with her attorney tomorrow at 10 a.m

Webcam 1 is all messed up again. Must be the rain.

[AJandTam]

She lied to investigators in order to obstruct the investigation. Why is this so hard to understand, Dr. Phil?

Can I say, I can't stand Dr. Phil and wonder what he thinks he is going to do w/this situation now, other than make it even more of a crazy mess. He makes me sick.

[OneUp]

From what we have heard from others, Caylee was always a bright, happy, outgoing and friendly little girl. Doesn't sound like the profile of an abused child.
Really, says who that abused children cannot be bright, happy, outgoing, and friendly?...All of those terms describe me as a child, I was the darling of neighbors, friends, teachers, and strangers.
If you want something to keep you awake at night, PM me and I'll list off a few of the horrors I suffered as a child...years of sadistic Sexual abuse, verbal harassment, neglect of nutrition and medical needs, physical violence at the hands of every person in my househld except my sister who is 7 years younger. When I first read the stories of other abused children like Dave Pelzer ( A child called "IT.") I wasn't repelled...I felt like I had finally found friends who would understand me
BTW, I've met Dave, he is a sweet man, but it is clear he carries such a sadness with him, he speaks from the heart. I first met him as a speaker at a benefit for children in foster care....his words touched us all and he convinced several of my own kids to continue to strive to survive and break the hold abuse had over their lives. They learned from him that the abuse truely stops when you take control of your own life and put it to good use. He understands that you are a victim until you refuse to be a victim by continuing to allow the damage to destroy your life.

Dave's website:
http://www.davepelzer.com/

[GrannyB]

That's my point, thank you. In the Caylee Anthony case, the pictures of the child tell us nothing about what her life was really like. Otherwise, she'd be in her bedroom playing with her Mr. Potato Heads and I'd be getting some work done.

You're right about the pics. The words and actions of her gp's tell us a lot about her life. It's sad when there a hundreds of people who would have loved and cared for Caylee.

[lonetraveler]

When did Dr Phil record this? It's old news to most of us, but still we (I) watch. D'Onofrio (sp) is good, though.


--------------------------
Face it, everything is old news to the In Session crowd. This board is the most up to date information board that I have read.

[SavannahStar]

Or, it could be that some TES volunteers also contributed money through the Anthony's accounts for the trust fund and are questioning where their funds went. JMO. IIRC there were a lot of folks out searching with TES, I wouldn't assume these supposed emails came from official TES workers. JMO, again.


Well there ya go. ITA. (bolding mine)

[Reasonable]

[QUOTE=~DaddysGirl~;12166061]

When I was in HS I took a criminal justice class. We toured the local PD and went to the room where they usually did LDT. They took a volunteer from our group to show how it worked. They took a big strapping guy and the question they asked was if he played on the football team. He said he didn't and they said that he was being deceptive. He then explained that he hadn't been able to play sports of any kind EVER, since he had a congenital heart defect. The PO sheepishly hurried on to other things.
Kinda got my attention.


See your reply says "quote ratched and quote Daddysgirl but when posted it shows quoting me. I didn't write the post you quoted :confused:

[Unperson1984]

Pure speculation? What papers are you reading? A mother misplaces her child for over thirty days and does not report her missing? I would call it abuse. What mother just allows her child to wonder the universe without finding them? Without worrying if someone is harming them? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee :punch:


We were discussing emotional abuse at the Anthony home.

:rolleyes:

[bluwaters]

so far I've seen fighting in front of her or cursing in front of her as examples of why people feel she was abused.
If those are good examples then my neighbors should lose their kids.

Is it good to fight or curse in front of children? no it isn't.
Is it "child abuse"? I didn't know it was and if it is there's a whole lot of parents who would be considered abusive. I bet we can each name a couple.
I do think that fighting and cursing in front of children is abuse. It also teaches the child to fight and curse. Children are sensitive and become very upset by discord between those they love. I am not seeing that all children should be removed from such a situation, but I do think that adults who can't behave properly within their relationships should seek out help for themselves and for their children.

I have called DCF more than once on neighbors screaming and cursing in front of their children.

jmho

[AJandTam]

You are as usual locking your head into some cemented notion that the two are synonymous.

If Caylee is missing or dead, then her entire life had to have been abusive according to you.

A child can have a wonderful, loving life and be gone missing in a heartbeat.

There is a difference though. In those cases someone notified authorities w/in a few hours. There were cases where that did not happen, and every case I know of. The person caring for the child ended up having done something to the child.