Mon. aft. - 9/22 -- Day 98

[Joan Weiss]

If she is legally "presumed" innocent until proven guilty then does that make her innocent until proven guilty? You opinion is certainly allowed, but I think the law is pretty straight forward and the law is what counts, in the court system. What is "factual guilt"?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMomIUPG prevails only in the courtroom. The rest of us are free to speculate. Free speech and all that...

However, you are free to do/believe whatever you want..imo

[kakax]

I havent watched the show yet.

Did he mean he drove her to locations looking...or he was driving her to and from Jose's hoping she would give a clue?

How could he help her? He wasnt even allowed to speak to her at all.



I hope that NG addresses this. It conflicts with everything we have heard so far from these guys. Every day it is something new. This case is convoluted enough without their one up stories.

[Boxer]

I agree...but why would he claim this, and how can he get by lying about it? Obviously LE would know if she was out there driving around with her ankle monitor.

So...either he is flat out lying (and will look the fool when LE disputes this)

OR

LE allowed it because they needed/wanted his help

So...is it possible she slipped out of JB's office to go ride around with RD, unbeknowst to the reporters?

I doubt she slipped out. To do so is a risk to her bail. I think they made no trips to look for Caylee. I do think that they are speaking of the days they drove her to and from the lawyer etc. LOL, I wouldn't be surprised if the clerk of the court or the case manager receives quite a few emails on this subject...

[need2no]

Hi, Rose! :seeya:
Did anyone watch Dr. Phil discuss this case today? I thought he had Casey pegged pretty good.



I thought he spent too much time talking about Cindy and George's problems, including the protesters. Do we really need to know Cindy only eats one meal a day?

It was nice to see a discussion about other missing children.

[dreamtime]

I do not know if this has been posted yet. It is easy for me to miss information.
There had been talk that the nursing home video, June 15, 2008
showing Caylee and Great Grandpa, that the envelope said Happy Birthday and not Happy Father's Day. The idea being
that the video was shot at a different date and time.
I thought it seemed likely, despite LE having verified sign in sheet and great grandma Shirley P saying Cindy and Caylee had dinner with her that night.

But last night, doing a zabasearch I found Alexander P. Mt Dora, FL
with a date of birth as Oct. 1922.
see below:

ALEXANDER S PLESEA Born Oct 1922 More info available for a fee Record Created: Unknown
2708 PALMETTO RD Satellite Photo & Map Google
MOUNT DORA, FL 32757 (352) 383-1469 White Pages PLESEA Business Listings
Complete Report on ALEXANDER S PLESEA
--
This could put to rest the happy birthday vs happy father's discussion.

Uh, hope it is all right to post this info: His name and address has been in the news, 400 page docs. etc.
Let me know if this is not okay.

[jbellaj]

No surprise there.
At least the defense will not be able to say that LE did not follow through on credible tips.

jmho

That's very true IMO. I think that is something the defense would try and do.

[crymeariver2006]

They're going to walk right now as it stands anyway. If none of them talk, and a body doesn't show.. heck, pretend a body DOES show. You still have to connect the body to them, and nothing will do it more thoroughly than the decomp in the trunk.

Unless the decomp in the trunk isn't as sure a thing as was made out.

Imagine we have the body. That can tell us how she was killed, and if it wasn't cleaned up well, you might have some physical evidence that tells us who killed her. But odds are, by now, fingerprints are gone. The scene has likely been contaminated. The body being found will likely only prove that Caylee is dead and how she died. The bulk of the evidence pointing to the suspects is likely already in play.

If Caylee were an adult, or even a teenager, you probably would have a hard time getting a conviction. Reason being is that their "world" is a lot bigger than Caylee's. Caylee's world, as we know it, only included three people - her grandparents and her mother. Her mother is the last one seen with her and if there is evidence of decomp and/or DNA in the car, it is the very car that her mother had driven for the past several years. I think juries are instructed to use their common sense and apply the evidence.

I don't think there would be a problem getting a conviction, but I do think they are holding out for the body - not only for the evidence it might contain, but to give Caylee the dignity of a proper burial.

[Joan Weiss]

Not that difficult at all. Mantra: Iggy is my friend.;)

I hope she can be charged. I'm just really worried that 31 days may have destroyed all physical evidence. And as we know, there are people who will never convict on what they call "just" circumstancial. :(Even though CE is the best kind of evidence. It doesn't lie, t doesn't change, and it doesn't make mistakes. It just sits there, waiting for justice. imo

[hamebone]

Are you inquiring about a poster's financial income?

:no: Shame on you!

I dont think it was her income she was asking about...rather her motives for becoming a foster parent...I do agree...shameful.

I find the latter much more offensive...in all honesty.

[Broderick]

No surprise there.
At least the defense will not be able to say that LE did not follow through on credible tips.

jmho

In a case where a body is not present, it will be critical that the defense not show that there wasn't any investigation of a living subject attempted. Failing to provide that to a jury would temper the prosecution's assertion of investigating all aspects which opens up doors to reasonable doubt. I am certain that the district attorney wants the investigation to be well rounded in all aspects. There seems to be a team investigating the missing person's aspect, meanwhile a criminal homicide investigation is ongoing. This is obvious.

Edited to add that if the defense can show that the investigation didn't pursue claims of a living Caylee, the prosecution will have some issues with a jury.

[bluwaters]

And I don't think there's ever going to be enough evidence to warrant the top count here.

So what are they waiting for? They're going to get Casey on a few of these other crimes, but that seems like they're just gathering up ammo to offer a deal.

Right now, as it stands, if you top count her on the neglect, the check theft, and everything else, and you run it consecutively, Casey does more time for that than she would for a manslaughter 2 plea.

They're not going to close this case out without a confession, and they know it. They're getting ammo to flip her.
I just hate for Caylee to be discarded somewhere.
She needs to be found.
Casey may not be brought to true justice, but I try to think that she will be.

[Rebel Rouzer]

The FOOT that was found was that of a small child..

and there are no reports of missing children in that area.

as per: CNN

I believe there might be a child or 2 missing in Alabama or the fact a parent didn't report the child missing. look at this case. for example.

The case of the missing girl who was founf decapitated is also another case when a child was not reported missing. Baby Doe or something like that?

[desmom]

That was all I was aware of until today...but when Dr. Phil asked Rob Dick about this he stated he did in fact drive her around for 9 days with the intention of helping her find Caylee.

I wondered why this is just now coming out, and I assume they got special permission to do so since it was originally stated she could only go to work, church, JB's office and to visit her case manager.

I missed the show. Did they say more than what appears on these 2 links? TIA

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/4618/?id=4618&showID=1127

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/4618/?id=4618&slide=1&showID=1127&preview=&versionID=

[joolz]

I doubt she slipped out. To do so is a risk to her bail. I think they made no trips to look for Caylee. I do think that they are speaking of the days they drove her to and from the lawyer etc. LOL, I wouldn't be surprised if the clerk of the court or the case manager receives quite a few emails on this subject...

I don't think she COULD slip out. Doesn't that ankle monitor set some kind of alarm off at the police station if she goes beyond a certain distance?

[nellbell]

Here in Texas, the only way a foster parent could make a tidy sum fostering is if they bought the kids' clothes from thrift stores and fed them kool aid and ramen most of the time. It's just not much money at all.

Has anyone noticed the web cam at the Anthony's house tonight? It's all blurry.

The cameras are stuck on stupid. MOO:flamemad:

[BJames]

No surprise there.
At least the defense will not be able to say that LE did not follow through on credible tips.

jmho


I do believe that is why we are hearing about these 'sightings', at some point no one can claim that all other avenues were not 'explored'.

Just my opinion of course....

[crimeq]

When I was a little girl my mom would always make me kiss my great grandpa when we went to visit. I saw him about maybe once or twice a month. I hated kissing him! He chewed tobacco and he would pick on me! I doubt that I ever smiled in pics taken of us either! As for the dark circles under Caylees eyes, my daughter has had dark circles since the day she was born. She gets it from her dad. Its hereditary in our family.


I remember thinking there was a really bad smell around old people, when we occasionally went to visit them in their house ... I was probably about 4 or 5 ... still remember the "old" smell that I didn't like.

[kakax]

Not that difficult at all. Mantra: Iggy is my friend.;)

I hope she can be charged. I'm just really worried that 31 days may have destroyed all physical evidence. And as we know, there are people who will never convict on what they call "just" circumstancial. :(

With the way these publicized cases have been turning out of late, I understand why they want to wait. They want to have enough so that one person won't have reason to vote not guilty.

I worry as well they that don't have what they need, because I am one of those impatient people. It makes me furious that you can "misplace" your child and get out on bond. Child neglect charges will only put her in prison for 6 years. To me, that is insulting to Caylee.

[trich]

Tit for tat:
Have you any "concrete evidence" to support your claim? If it turns out they don't have the evidence to convict her of ANY of the charges, she wouldn't be the first to spend time in lock up just to put pressure on the "person of interest".



Have you even been reading this site and the news about Casey stealing and comitting fraud.
They have her on video cashing checks that do not belong to her.
She stole from her own grandparents.
There is no way she is going to get out of that unless she is committed to a mental institution and don't forget she is responsible for losing her daughter and not reporting it for 31 days.I would not be surprised if that is Baez defense for her.
Because I don't see how else he can defend all those charges.

[need2no]

I doubt she slipped out. To do so is a risk to her bail. I think they made no trips to look for Caylee. I do think that they are speaking of the days they drove her to and from the lawyer etc. LOL, I wouldn't be surprised if the clerk of the court or the case manager receives quite a few emails on this subject...


When I said 'slipped out', I meant from THE REPORTERS, but with the permission of LE. You know... let's make the public believe she is spending an entire day with JB going over her case, when in fact she was slipping out the back door to meet up with Rob Dick.

Just a thought...hope LE will confirm one way or the other.

[spiritwolf46]

LE should be no ones hero. They don't even have enough to bring charges.

And you know this, how???? I am sure that they are covering every single aspect that they have before they bring charges. MOO, that is.

[bluwaters]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-092208,0,7454090.story

Complaints about trust fund filed with AG's office 5 p.m. The Attorney General's Office today released the two complaints it received about the trust fund in response to an Orlando Sentinel request.

Link includes a brief description of the 2 complaints.
TY for the link desmom! :seeya:

[Rebel Rouzer]

No surprise there.
At least the defense will not be able to say that LE did not follow through on credible tips.

jmho


Exactly. Been saying te same for a few weeks now.

[Reenbean]

Not that difficult at all. Mantra: Iggy is my friend.;)

I hope she can be charged. I'm just really worried that 31 days may have destroyed all physical evidence. And as we know, there are people who will never convict on what they call "just" circumstancial. :(

I wasn't referring to you as being one of the posters involved in the childish banter BTW joolz;).
And yes, all the time that's passed probably leaves little, if any, physical evidence. The thought of her being so decomposed, or even worse no trace left at all, is just sickening. But everything about this case is sickening.
Hopefully jurors that would never convict on circumstantial evidence alone can be weeded out during the selection process (voie dere? spelled wrong I think!). And the sheer amount of CE against her is staggering IMO. That's got to count for something. People have been convicted on WAY less.

[Albini]

I'm watching now. barf NeJame's about to speak. :rolleyes:

I saw it. I didnt hear anything you ladies and genetleman hadnt already posted about.

I was a bit disapointed actaully.

I was surprised that only 4 or so kidnapping cases were aired according to the lady on dr. Phil. I was wondering if that was b/c alot of the kidnappings were by family members?

[shelbar53]

I very much disagree with your categories.

I'm not impatient at all for them to charge Casey, they can take their sweet time, but while they're doing that, LE should at least speak with credible belief when speaking of a dead Caylee.

Instead, they conveniently arrange plotted "leaks" that she "may be dead, we believe she's dead, she's probably dead, it appears as though she's dead", and then follow it up with pleas to the public for information of a very much alive Caylee.

They've supposedly done extensive Forensic testing which has given them only probable results that the child is dead?!?!

It's preposterous to believe that LE has conclusive tests indicating that Caylee really is deceased not only due to no charges against Casey, but simply by their own hedging, which to me, is the ultimate appearance of a Barney Fife investigation.

yes i was thinking the same thing, why all the reports of she is dead but then go chasing an alive caylee....talking out both sides of their mouth

[rosejustrose]

Geeze, a whole page of this nonsense. Can't anyone find their iggy button? That is, if we don't want the board closed down....


:chicken:

I stepped away to watch Dr. Phil and this is what has been posted. Yeah, this board is going down if this keeps up and those who have derailed this conversation will have gotten what they were sent here to do. JMO.

[Reenbean]

Even though CE is the best kind of evidence. It doesn't lie, t doesn't change, and it doesn't make mistakes. It just sits there, waiting for justice. imo


Excellent point Joan. :beer:

[Boxer]

I don't think she COULD slip out. Doesn't that ankle monitor set some kind of alarm off at the police station if she goes beyond a certain distance?


I'm not sure how they work, but it must notify somebody if she goes anywhere without permission. Not sure if she has the GPS model, but these statements of the bounty hunter are twisting facts IMO. She may have given places of interest that they, without her along, investigated. Now they are claiming in carefully chosen words that they helped her look for 9 days. I think it's BS

JMO

[joolz]

I very much disagree with your categories.

I'm not impatient at all for them to charge Casey, they can take their sweet time, but while they're doing that, LE should at least speak with credible belief when speaking of a dead Caylee.

Instead, they conveniently arrange plotted "leaks" that she "may be dead, we believe she's dead, she's probably dead, it appears as though she's dead", and then follow it up with pleas to the public for information of a very much alive Caylee.

They've supposedly done extensive Forensic testing which has given them only probable results that the child is dead?!?!

It's preposterous to believe that LE has conclusive tests indicating that Caylee really is deceased not only due to no charges against Casey, but simply by their own hedging, which to me, is the ultimate appearance of a Barney Fife investigation.


I believe that "two camps here" refers to the posters and what they want, not to what LE, according to you, is doing wrong. There was no mention in the post you replied to of extensive forensic testing or what anyone believes LE is doing. :rolleyes:

[MyrDawn]

If she is legally "presumed" innocent until proven guilty then does that make her innocent until proven guilty? You opinion is certainly allowed, but I think the law is pretty straight forward and the law is what counts, in the court system. What is "factual guilt"?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

No. If she committed the crime, of course she's not innocent until proven guilty.

The law has to presume her innocent until proven guilty, not the public. Meaning she can't be tossed in prison without a fair trial.

Legal guilt is what's determined by a jury.

Factual guilt means the person did commit the crime they're accused of.

If a jury finds a defendant not guilty, if they really did commit the crime, they'd be factually guilty and legally not guilty.

[tiny paw-prints]

I very much disagree with your categories.

I'm not impatient at all for them to charge Casey, they can take their sweet time, but while they're doing that, LE should at least speak with credible belief when speaking of a dead Caylee.

Instead, they conveniently arrange plotted "leaks" that she "may be dead, we believe she's dead, she's probably dead, it appears as though she's dead", and then follow it up with pleas to the public for information of a very much alive Caylee.

They've supposedly done extensive Forensic testing which has given them only probable results that the child is dead?!?!

It's preposterous to believe that LE has conclusive tests indicating that Caylee really is deceased not only due to no charges against Casey, but simply by their own hedging, which to me, is the ultimate appearance of a Barney Fife investigation.


Your same mantra, different day! LOL! :biggrin:

It would be preposterous and completely foolish of LE to release the full analyses to YOU or the public regarding the tests and all other evidence, circumstantial or otherwise.

[cassidy]

I doubt she slipped out. To do so is a risk to her bail. I think they made no trips to look for Caylee. I do think that they are speaking of the days they drove her to and from the lawyer etc. LOL, I wouldn't be surprised if the clerk of the court or the case manager receives quite a few emails on this subject...

Maybe they just took different routes to the lawyer's office. Is there a time limit on getting there and back?

[Rebel Rouzer]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:

[Broderick]

I very much disagree with your categories.

I'm not impatient at all for them to charge Casey, they can take their sweet time, but while they're doing that, LE should at least speak with credible belief when speaking of a dead Caylee.

Instead, they conveniently arrange plotted "leaks" that she "may be dead, we believe she's dead, she's probably dead, it appears as though she's dead", and then follow it up with pleas to the public for information of a very much alive Caylee.

They've supposedly done extensive Forensic testing which has given them only probable results that the child is dead?!?!

It's preposterous to believe that LE has conclusive tests indicating that Caylee really is deceased not only due to no charges against Casey, but simply by their own hedging, which to me, is the ultimate appearance of a Barney Fife investigation.

I would put you in the "impatient" category then. Law enforcement and the district attorney have not filed additional charges yet. It appears to me they are running concurrent investigations. They can continue on with the missing person's case externally and in effort which helps the prosecution in a trial. If they change the status completely to a definite dead Caylee then they would have to stop pursuing the tips coming in on a living Caylee. If they stop pursuing the living Caylee aspect it would give any defense attorney plenty of ammunition to bullet down the prosecution and the investigation team in the jury pool eyes. When and if they do determine appropriate additional charges, then you will see that vagueness end. At this point they don't have to, nor should they. It helps the prosecution ultimately in saying "we did all we could do".

Agree/disagree?

[shelbar53]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:

this is my third. chandra levy, scott peterson and now this one

[Boxer]

Maybe they just took different routes to the lawyer's office. Is there a time limit on getting there and back?


If that were true, why not say it. I think the BH and his sicekick RD carefully chose their words to mislead without flat out lying.

[kakax]

TY for the link desmom! :seeya:



I read this at the bottom of the article



The Attorney General's Office is not investigating the trust funds.




They aren't investigating the trust funds or they are? I'm confused.

[Reenbean]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:

My hand is raised. :hat:

[rosejustrose]

Here in Texas, the only way a foster parent could make a tidy sum fostering is if they bought the kids' clothes from thrift stores and fed them kool aid and ramen most of the time. It's just not much money at all.

Has anyone noticed the web cam at the Anthony's house tonight? It's all blurry.

It's been that way all afternoon. Maybe they'll fix when they're out there doing their nightly new updates. JMO.

[Boxer]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:


:) I have, and each time I say I'll never do it again.

[need2no]

I missed the show. Did they say more than what appears on these 2 links? TIA

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/4618/?id=4618&showID=1127

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/4618/?id=4618&slide=1&showID=1127&preview=&versionID=


Right after Leonard talked about bailing her out of jail is when Dr. Phil started asking Rob Dick about the 9 days of driving Casey around, and he didn't deny it. Don't know why that isn't on the links you provided. Maybe some who are watching now can comment further.

:shrug:

[kakax]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:

Too many to count. I have been an avid Court Tv watcher for years. The first case I posted on this board was MM.

[MyrDawn]

Lynn Gweeny? She's fine, but busy with a family matter. Hopefully she'll be back soon.

sorry for the O/T

That's what she told me, too. She said she'll be back as soon as she can and hopes to see everyone and catch up on all she's missed.

[joolz]

I wasn't referring to you as being one of the posters involved in the childish banter BTW joolz;).
And yes, all the time that's passed probably leaves little, if any, physical evidence. The thought of her being so decomposed, or even worse no trace left at all, is just sickening. But everything about this case is sickening.
Hopefully jurors that would never convict on circumstantial evidence alone can be weeded out during the selection process (voie dere? spelled wrong I think!). And the sheer amount of CE against her is staggering IMO. That's got to count for something. People have been convicted on WAY less.


I didn't take it as being directed at me Reen although I should probably use Iggy more than I do.:D

People have indeed been convicted on way less, and without bodies, too. I keep thinking back to the Scott Peterson case in which LE was clearly building a circumstantial case even before the remains were found, but waited until then to charge him. I just wish I really believed that there are remains to be found in this case, but sadly, I don't. :(

[crimeq]

I found this info about Mark Nejame:

The "Car Wash Mom" case wound up today with the mom receiving probation.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-car-wash-mom-092208,0,4460017.story

Nejame is quoted in this article about the case in March 2008.
FOX article from March 2008, RE: The "Car Wash Mom"
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=099024A8A107C8719A8BDB8750E34DCE ?contentId=6004967&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

We've heard all the denials about Nejame being hired to have anything to do with Casey. I think it's all part of a longer term plan, that he'll be hired to "help" Cindy and George with their media problems right now, but then later--when we all know (and THEY ALL KNOW) Casey will need a criminal defense attorney--that Nejame will conviently morph into position to defend Casey because he's already -- uh, ahem, been involved in the case, so it would be "natural" for him to do so.

IMO Nejame was sought out from the very beginning to represent Casey when it's finally found out what happened to Caylee, and all he11 will break loose, and Casey will need the toughest defense she can find.

In the meantime Nejame will do publicity for all of them :rolleyes:

[hamebone]

I'm not sure how they work, but it must notify somebody if she goes anywhere without permission. Not sure if she has the GPS model, but these statements of the bounty hunter are twisting facts IMO. She may have given places of interest that they, without her along, investigated. Now they are claiming in carefully chosen words that they helped her look for 9 days. I think it's BS

JMO


I say BS ...too.

[desmom]

yes i was thinking the same thing, why all the reports of she is dead but then go chasing an alive caylee....talking out both sides of their mouth

IMO, if LE does not follow up on the alive Caylee sightings, the defense will say LE focused on Casey from the beginning and did not check out tips and possible sightings.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I would put you in the "impatient" category then. Law enforcement and the district attorney have not filed additional charges yet. It appears to me they are running concurrent investigations. They can continue on with the missing person's case externally and in effort which helps the prosecution in a trial. If they change the status completely to a definite dead Caylee then they would have to stop pursuing the tips coming in on a living Caylee. If they stop pursuing the living Caylee aspect it would give any defense attorney plenty of ammunition to bullet down the prosecution and the investigation team in the jury pool eyes. When and if they do determine appropriate additional charges, then you will see that vagueness end. At this point they don't have to, nor should they. It helps the prosecution ultimately in saying "we did all we could do".

Agree/disagree?

I guess you expressed it better than I. I tried to explain this for a few weeks but I must have done a cruddy job of it. Maybe your post will make a difference to them. I doubt it but just maybe?

[Reenbean]

Too many to count. I have been an avid Court Tv watcher for years. The first case I posted on this board was MM.

kakax :seeya:

[Pebbles]

I would put you in the "impatient" category then. Law enforcement and the district attorney have not filed additional charges yet. It appears to me they are running concurrent investigations. They can continue on with the missing person's case externally and in effort which helps the prosecution in a trial. If they change the status completely to a definite dead Caylee then they would have to stop pursuing the tips coming in on a living Caylee. If they stop pursuing the living Caylee aspect it would give any defense attorney plenty of ammunition to bullet down the prosecution and the investigation team in the jury pool eyes. When and if they do determine appropriate additional charges, then you will see that vagueness end. At this point they don't have to, nor should they. It helps the prosecution ultimately in saying "we did all we could do".

Agree/disagree?



Agree :beer:

[dixie77]

Originally Posted by Rebel Rouzer
QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?
=============

I have.......yes

[rosejustrose]

Hi, Rose! :seeya:
Did anyone watch Dr. Phil discuss this case today? I thought he had Casey pegged pretty good.


Hi, Frankie:seeya: I just watched it here at five. He did. It's was pretty obvious that he see no valid reason for the protesters, reporters or anyone else giving the Anthonys, George and Cindy, a hard time. Their attorney, NeJame, was there and he said something interesting. He more or less confirmed that Cindy was indeed raising Caylee, not Casey. He firmly stated that Cindy was both grandmother and mother to Caylee and had been since she was born. That certainly sounds like something Cindy would have told him, IMO. I guess maybe she is starting to shoulder some of the blame for what happened to Caylee. JMO.

I didn't buy the PPD theory. I don't think Casey suffered from that from all indications, JMO.

[shelbar53]

IMO, if LE does not follow up on the alive Caylee sightings, the defense will say LE focused on Casey from the beginning and did not check out tips and possible sightings.

but if they have evidence she is dead then why do they look for an alive caylee, it doesnt make sense, they should say..we are not looking because we have forensics that she is dead

[need2no]

If that were true, why not say it. I think the BH and his sicekick RD carefully chose their words to mislead without flat out lying.

I'm beginning to think you are correct about that Boxer.

LYING BY OMISSION! :cuss:


But stay tuned...I'm sure Nancy will delve into this tonight.

[Broderick]

yes i was thinking the same thing, why all the reports of she is dead but then go chasing an alive caylee....talking out both sides of their mouth

In a criminal homicide court, if the defense shows that alternative theories were not investigated, it could cause problems for prosecution.

It is really that simple.

[desmom]

Right after Leonard talked about bailing her out of jail is when Dr. Phil started asking Rob Dick about the 9 days of driving Casey around, and he didn't deny it. Don't know why that isn't on the links you provided. Maybe some who are watching now can comment further.

:shrug:

Thanks N2N :seeya:

[Albini]

Originally Posted by Rebel Rouzer
QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?
=============

I have.......yes

This is the first I have followed on here. I have watched and read many others. I dont know much about the legality of these cases. I am more interested in the human nature aspect.

[Boxer]

Hi, Frankie:seeya: I just watched it here at five. He did. It's was pretty obvious that he see no valid reason for the protesters, reporters or anyone else giving the Anthonys, George and Cindy, a hard time. Their attorney, NeJame, was there and he said something interesting. He more or less confirmed that Cindy was indeed raising Caylee, not Casey. He firmly stated that Cindy was both grandmother and mother to Caylee and had been since she was born. That certainly sounds like something Cindy would have told him, IMO. I guess maybe she is starting to shoulder some of the blame for what happened to Caylee. JMO.

I didn't buy the PPD theory. I don't think Casey suffered from that from all indications, JMO.


yup, he (Nejame) said that they were raising Caylee as their own

[Rebel Rouzer]

I don't want to multiquote everyone who responded to my question. I just want to say thanks for responding. I think it helps others understand your views and how much you know about how the system works and how cases may go.
Thanks

[kakax]

kakax :seeya:

:seeya: Reen!!

[Broderick]

I believe that "two camps here" refers to the posters and what they want, not to what LE, according to you, is doing wrong. There was no mention in the post you replied to of extensive forensic testing or what anyone believes LE is doing. :rolleyes:

Yes, I was referring to the general public, including the message boards, blogs, and media discussing this cases' aspects.

[joolz]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:


Oh yikes! Menendez (both), OJ, the Ted Binion case, the Las Vegas Black Widow trial, Danielle Van Dam, Michael Peterson, Scott Peterson, Melanie McGuire, Rae Carruth, that other football player who had his pregnant girlfriend shot, Spector and on and on. Looking at my own list is making me nervous. :eek: Maybe I need an intervention.:D

[tiny paw-prints]

:) I have, and each time I say I'll never do it again.

Me too... :frown:

[Kathlb]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:

Spector was my first trial and I learned so much from all of you here (when the thread stayed open). ;-) So I am probably far behind most of you. I also watched another one and I can't remember his name without looking. It was Vegas, he killed his wife and accepted a plea and then changed his mind.

[bluwaters]

I read this at the bottom of the article



The Attorney General's Office is not investigating the trust funds.




They aren't investigating the trust funds or they are? I'm confused.

I thought that the local State Attorney's office was doing the investigation. :confused:

[need2no]

but if they have evidence she is dead then why do they look for an alive caylee, it doesnt make sense, they should say..we are not looking because we have forensics that she is dead

Because they would then be expected to press charges and the defense can ask for discovery and a speedy trial. LE is getting their ducks in a row before they say what they have or arrest Casey. Meanwhile they have to either followup on leads or lay out their case, including an arrest or two.

[Boxer]

I'm beginning to think you are correct about that Boxer.

LYING BY OMISSION! :cuss:


But stay tuned...I'm sure Nancy will delve into this tonight.

I've listened 3 times. He IMO is very misleading. IMO, we'll soon know the truth when hacked off people from all over start emailing the courthouse.

[impartial]

I would put you in the "impatient" category then. Law enforcement and the district attorney have not filed additional charges yet. It appears to me they are running concurrent investigations. They can continue on with the missing person's case externally and in effort which helps the prosecution in a trial. If they change the status completely to a definite dead Caylee then they would have to stop pursuing the tips coming in on a living Caylee. If they stop pursuing the living Caylee aspect it would give any defense attorney plenty of ammunition to bullet down the prosecution and the investigation team in the jury pool eyes. When and if they do determine appropriate additional charges, then you will see that vagueness end. At this point they don't have to, nor should they. It helps the prosecution ultimately in saying "we did all we could do".

Agree/disagree?


They do have a time constraint because of the neglect charges ... unless they limit the charges and evidence to failing to report Caylee missing.

IMO

[rosejustrose]

I doubt she slipped out. To do so is a risk to her bail. I think they made no trips to look for Caylee. I do think that they are speaking of the days they drove her to and from the lawyer etc. LOL, I wouldn't be surprised if the clerk of the court or the case manager receives quite a few emails on this subject...

I thought the same thing. Don't they have the ability to monitor where she is while she's wearing the ankle monitor? Also, I thought that wherever she went, except church, she had to have a handy landline, clear of any functions, available. Maybe Baez' office is off limits but if it turns out he knew she was slipping out, he's in deep doo doo. jMO.

[MyrDawn]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:

For me, I've pretty closely followed the cases of Scott Peterson, Jon Benet Ramsey, Robert Blake, Christa Worthington, Melanie McGuire, and now Caylee.

[day2day]

And you know this, how???? I am sure that they are covering every single aspect that they have before they bring charges. MOO, that is.

Today scroll is ABSOLUTELY your friend- :seeya:

[kakax]

I thought that the local State Attorney's office was doing the investigation. :confused:



When I read it, I got so confused. It doesn't make sense. Maybe someone else can explain it rofl. :shrug:

[Snewpy]

Evening everybody! Hope all are doing well.. I've been gone a few days and I have LOTS of reading to catch up on it seems.

Sadly - I hoped I would tune into FOX and find out sweet Caylee had been found, or that Casey was finally back in jail on a murder charge.. but neither has happened...

I truly believe Casey will NEVER break.. she will never tell anyone what happened or where Caylee is. I feel our only hope is Cindy and George.. that no matter what they've done as far as trying to cover for Casey (or more things perhaps even more sinister) that they are not the same cold, heartless, soulless creature that Casey is and they will eventually break and tell what they know. I think that is truly the only way we will ever know for certain. :(

[Rebel Rouzer]

Guess that's why the A's just keep sitting on their duffs. They already know the child is dead.

They aren't searching, but by darn, it's everyone else who should be out there according to the head mistress of the house.

You tell it sister. :seeya:

[steffaroob4]

I do not know if this has been posted yet. It is easy for me to miss information.
There had been talk that the nursing home video, June 15, 2008
showing Caylee and Great Grandpa, that the envelope said Happy Birthday and not Happy Father's Day. The idea being
that the video was shot at a different date and time.
I thought it seemed likely, despite LE having verified sign in sheet and great grandma Shirley P saying Cindy and Caylee had dinner with her that night.

But last night, doing a zabasearch I found Alexander P. Mt Dora, FL
with a date of birth as Oct. 1922.
see below:

ALEXANDER S PLESEA Born Oct 1922 More info available for a fee Record Created: Unknown
2708 PALMETTO RD Satellite Photo & Map Google
MOUNT DORA, FL 32757 (352) 383-1469 White Pages PLESEA Business Listings
Complete Report on ALEXANDER S PLESEA
--
This could put to rest the happy birthday vs happy father's discussion.

Uh, hope it is all right to post this info: His name and address has been in the news, 400 page docs. etc.
Let me know if this is not okay.



The envelope says Happy Father's Day
Happy Father's Day
Dad

I just cropped it and you can clearly see the Fa in fathers, plus the r's on the end.

[desmom]

but if they have evidence she is dead then why do they look for an alive caylee, it doesnt make sense, they should say..we are not looking because we have forensics that she is dead


IMO, because they have forensics evidence with no body and no COD. When it goes to trial, the defense will point out the alive Caylee sightings that LE did not follow up on and suggest LE only focused on Casey which may lead to the jurors think LE had it out for Casey since July 15.

[rosejustrose]

this is my third. chandra levy, scott peterson and now this one

This is my first missing child's case. I usually don't follow them because they're too upsetting. JMO.

[Kathlb]

I thought the same thing. Don't they have the ability to monitor where she is while she's wearing the ankle monitor? Also, I thought that wherever she went, except church, she had to have a handy landline, clear of any functions, available. Maybe Baez' office is off limits but if it turns out he knew she was slipping out, he's in deep doo doo. jMO.

The only thing I can figure is that they got permission from the case worker to take her to look and no one either knew it or reported it. :shrug:

[MyrDawn]

I know what PD is but what is PPD?

I believe they were referring to Post Partum Depression. There was discussion here earlier if Casey may have been suffering from it. JMO

[impartial]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:


I started following cases on line with Scott Peterson, then Melinda Duckett, Phil Spector, and various others on a private board.

Was up close and personal on OJ's case, not online.

[desmom]

I trust Law Enforcement to do the right thing for Caylee.

I trust the FBI lab that tests and produces forensic results.

I trust the Body Farm test results.

I believe justice will be served in this case.

Caylee :rose:

Ditto!

Caylee :rose:

[need2no]

I haven't finished reading all of the posts for today yet and it doesn't look like I am going to get to tonight. However, I wanted to add that today on Dr. Phil was the first time I heard that Casey had said "if you just get me out of jail, I will lead you to Caylee". That was stated by Lisa Bloom. But then Lisa also said the entire back yard was dug up and we all know that wasn't true. I don't know what made her say that! :confused:


Yes that statement jumped out at me as well. It was my understanding this is what Padilla expected and hoped for when he bailed her out....not a statement made by Casey.

And yes, Lisa exaggerated about digging up the ENTIRE backyard.

I need to go check the links desmom posted to see if these 2 statements are in there since Rob Dick's comments about the 9 day search with Casey are not.

[Rebel Rouzer]

The only thing I can figure is that they got permission from the case worker to take her to look and no one either knew it or reported it. :shrug:

That was my thinking but without further information i didn't want to speculate too much on how that went about.

[cassidy]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?


:read:
#1 I have.
#2 I haven't personally.

[rosejustrose]

If that were true, why not say it. I think the BH and his sicekick RD carefully chose their words to mislead without flat out lying.


Maybe there's a valid reason for that. Maybe Casey isn't sitting on her arse for 6 hours a day in Baez' office and LP and RD figured that out and are trying, in a not so subtle way, to tip off le. A bit farfetched but so is a lot about this case. JMO.

[True2Blues]

Hi, Frankie:seeya: I just watched it here at five. He did. It's was pretty obvious that he see no valid reason for the protesters, reporters or anyone else giving the Anthonys, George and Cindy, a hard time. Their attorney, NeJame, was there and he said something interesting. He more or less confirmed that Cindy was indeed raising Caylee, not Casey. He firmly stated that Cindy was both grandmother and mother to Caylee and had been since she was born. That certainly sounds like something Cindy would have told him, IMO. I guess maybe she is starting to shoulder some of the blame for what happened to Caylee. JMO.

I didn't buy the PPD theory. I don't think Casey suffered from that from all indications, JMO.


I'm sure the Anthonys wouldn't have been on the show if they weren't going to be favored. It's probably part of their agreement to interviews, along with the $$.

I'm no DP fan, in fact I can't stand him. Since I imagine he could only get these people on by agreeing to sympathize with them, nothing he says means anything.

[hamebone]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:

My first case to follow was Lorena Bobbit, followed many since than.


The ones with Children are the hardest...

Danielle Van Dam

Jonbenet

Jessica Lunsford

Polly klaus

Caylee Marie

etc...and these are just the few the national media picked up...what a world eh?

:rose:

[st777jo]

I trust Law Enforcement to do the right thing for Caylee.

I trust the FBI lab that tests and produces forensic results.

I trust the Body Farm test results.

I believe justice will be served in this case.

Caylee :rose:


ITA!!!

Some people really seem to have a hard one on for LE. I wonder why???

[impartial]

I've listened 3 times. He IMO is very misleading. IMO, we'll soon know the truth when hacked off people from all over start emailing the courthouse.


Who's misleading, and what are they misleading about?

TIA

[need2no]

I believe they were referring to Post Partum Depression. There was discussion here earlier if Casey may have been suffering from it. JMO


I heard that mentioned on Dr. Phil...IMO if she was still suffering from PPD after 3 years boy did she need to seek treatment!

[True2Blues]

I believe they were referring to Post Partum Depression. There was discussion here earlier if Casey may have been suffering from it. JMO

That's what he said was wrong with Casey? No wonder I don't trust him.

[barskin&co.]

I trust Law Enforcement to do the right thing for Caylee.

I trust the FBI lab that tests and produces forensic results.

I trust the Body Farm test results.

I believe justice will be served in this case.

Caylee :rose:

Hear, hear!!! :rose:

[Broderick]

des, come on, if you really do know that your victim is dead, you don't go out and continue searching for a LIVE victim just to satisfy the Defense's future claim of foul play.

It just doesn't work that way, never has and never will.

Once LE knows that a victim is dead, the time & energy is then spent moving the case forward with charges and further examination of the when, how, where, etc. - and certainly not on continued searches to just kinda "verify that she's really dead".

Au contraire, it most certainly defeats a good defense attorney's supposition and assertion that a missing subject is in fact dead. A good defense attorney will refute with expert testimony any forensic evidence that is contrary to a living person and if anything confuse the jury on substance. Having proof that "living" tips were not followed up in good faith would substantiate the defense's position that the child is living in this case in a reasonable doubt situation that ALL jurors must follow on instruction. This is a good practice by a defense attorney, which the district attorney would know and a good investigation team would know.

This is all easy to understand. I don't know why it is difficult in this case.

[FoxySly]

Originally Posted by desmom
IMO, people became suspicious when they contacted Lee asking how to contribute using Paypal. I have seen several sites with posts from people who claim Lee told them the bank did not want to mess with Paypal, but they could send their donation to his personal Paypal.

SunTrust handled Trenton's account and donations were accepted through Paypal.



Suntrust most definitely took PayPal during the precious Trenton search, I emptied my shops PayPal account monies in Trenton's Suntrust Trust.
Also on the commit I typed that some of this money was to be used for Josh & his Mother to go to eat at the best steak house there.

Suntrust has their reasons for ALSO wanting to disassociate with the likes of the anthony's.

This is the 1st case I remember in all my life where there was literally NO support, not from family, friends, neighbors, church, co-worker, ect... Nobody, No Nothing!

Sly

[Boxer]

Maybe there's a valid reason for that. Maybe Casey isn't sitting on her arse for 6 hours a day in Baez' office and LP and RD figured that out and are trying, in a not so subtle way, to tip off le. A bit farfetched but so is a lot about this case. JMO.

then the ankle monitor serves no purpose? if she were able to slip out, somebody is in huge trouble. I personally think it's more organic material from the BH hitting the rotating device.:seeya:

[tashi]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:

count me too...OJ started it all for me and too many to count after that

[brodysho]

Too many to count. I have been an avid Court Tv watcher for years. The first case I posted on this board was MM.

Same here.

[rosejustrose]

I trust Law Enforcement to do the right thing for Caylee.

I trust the FBI lab that tests and produces forensic results.

I trust the Body Farm test results.

I believe justice will be served in this case.

Caylee :rose:


ITA.:beer:

[Kathlb]

That was my thinking but without further information i didn't want to speculate too much on how that went about.

I'm just guessing. :-) I have no idea but I can't think of any other way if it's true. jmho

[bluwaters]

When I read it, I got so confused. It doesn't make sense. Maybe someone else can explain it rofl. :shrug:

In that same article scroll down to the 11:15 update:
State Attorney's Office looks into complaints about Caylee Marie trust funds
11:15 a.m. The State Attorney's Office is reviewing complaints made about the donation accounts set up in the Caylee Marie Anthony case, according to spokesman Randy Means.

Several people filed complaints with the Florida Attorney General's Office, which forwarded the information that Means described as reports of "misuse of the Anthony trust and possible charity fraud" to local prosecutors.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-092208,0,7454090.story

I hope that helps. :seeya:

[True2Blues]

Maybe there's a valid reason for that. Maybe Casey isn't sitting on her arse for 6 hours a day in Baez' office and LP and RD figured that out and are trying, in a not so subtle way, to tip off le. A bit farfetched but so is a lot about this case. JMO.

IIRC on one Nancy Grace show, LP said that Casey never stopped talking the entire time in the car going from home to the lawyer, and pointed out different things and places they drove by. Maybe that's what he was talking about?

[rosejustrose]

des, come on, if you really do know that your victim is dead, you don't go out and continue searching for a LIVE victim just to satisfy the Defense's future claim of foul play.

It just doesn't work that way, never has and never will.

Once LE knows that a victim is dead, the time & energy is then spent moving the case forward with charges and further examination of the when, how, where, etc. - and certainly not on continued searches to just kinda "verify that she's really dead".

That's just not true.:read:

JMO.

[MyrDawn]

I heard that mentioned on Dr. Phil...IMO if she was still suffering from PPD after 3 years boy did she need to seek treatment!

Maybe Fusion was her therapy. :D

[Boxer]

Who's misleading, and what are they misleading about?

TIA

Misleading in stating things in a way to make people believe that they drove Casey around for 9 days actively searching for Caylee and checking out various places of interest that she gave them. They may have went to all of the hotspots mentioned in this horrible case, but I don't think Casey was with them. I think they did take her to her approved appointments and then delivered her directly home.

JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

WFTV Video 2:30
Casey Anthony's Attorney Make New Request For New Hearing
http://www.wftv.com/video/17532637/index.html

[desmom]

des, come on, if you really do know that your victim is dead, you don't go out and continue searching for a LIVE victim just to satisfy the Defense's future claim of foul play.

It just doesn't work that way, never has and never will.

Once LE knows that a victim is dead, the time & energy is then spent moving the case forward with charges and further examination of the when, how, where, etc. - and certainly not on continued searches to just kinda "verify that she's really dead".


Really? IMO, the defense is going to crawl all over every piece of evidence and tip LE received and look for those little forgotten or ignored tips and pieces in an attempt to punch holes in the defense case....Reasonable Doubt.

I watch a lot of those shows where they will go back an interview jurors. More than once I have heard a juror say in their heart they believed the defendant was guilty, but the evidence did not prove guilt beyond a resonable doubt.

[rosejustrose]

I know what PD is but what is PPD?

Post Partum Depression ~ did I spell that right?

[impartial]

Misleading in stating things in a way to make people believe that they drove Casey around for 9 days actively searching for Caylee and checking out various places of interest that she gave them. They may have went to all of the hotspots mentioned in this horrible case, but I don't think Casey was with them. I think they did take her to her approved appointments and then delivered her directly home.

JMO


:eek:


Lenny? What happened to his statements that he never spoke to Casey about the case?

[Broderick]

They do have a time constraint because of the neglect charges ... unless they limit the charges and evidence to failing to report Caylee missing.

IMO

They can drop the neglect charges at any time. I do not think they will have a problem with double jeopardy in this case, if that is what you are suggesting. What I mean is that, (putting aside the erroneous media speculation on this), one can be charged with child neglect, tried and convicted, but if they relegate the evidence to non-specifics as far as forensics showing death they can still push forward on a murder charge. There is nothing in the release to the defense indicating anything on death. That would be a separate issue. Nonetheless, they can drop that charge and proceed on the financial charges, convict her, and put in custody to buy more time to piece things together. Sometimes these things take years to piece together.

[kakax]

In that same article scroll down to the 11:15 update:


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-092208,0,7454090.story

I hope that helps. :seeya:




Then why would they put this at the end of the 5pm update....


"Many of us have wondered WHERE exactly the trust fund money set up for Caylee and the donations have gone and if it was spent legally for the right things," the woman wrote. "Many have speculated that Cindy and George have spent the Caylee money to try to help bond Casey out of jail, pay for their own lawyers, buy frivolous things completely unrelated to little Caylee, etc. The general public has a right to know where this money and trust fund money is going! Can't this family be investigated for some form of fraud?"

The Attorney General's Office is not investigating the trust funds."



http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-092208,0,7454090.story

[barskin&co.]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:

I have followed many, many other cases than just this one. (do you know how many times I have heard the refrain "If LE has the proof, they would have indicted {fill in the blank} by now- this case has gone cold" and {fill in the blank} was successfully prosecuted? Plenty!)

I have delved into legal aspects of cases like this one.

[day2day]

Originally Posted by desmom
IMO, people became suspicious when they contacted Lee asking how to contribute using Paypal. I have seen several sites with posts from people who claim Lee told them the bank did not want to mess with Paypal, but they could send their donation to his personal Paypal.

SunTrust handled Trenton's account and donations were accepted through Paypal.



Suntrust most definitely took PayPal during the precious Trenton search, I emptied my shops PayPal account monies in Trenton's Suntrust Trust.
Also on the commit I typed that some of this money was to be used for Josh & his Mother to go to eat at the best steak house there.

Suntrust has their reasons for ALSO wanting to disassociate with the likes of the anthony's.

This is the 1st case I remember in all my life where there was literally NO support, not from family, friends, neighbors, church, co-worker, ect... Nobody, No Nothing!

Sly

Excellent post Sly!
I was thinking..IF this case were to go cold -who will demand LE keep working this case?! It is usually the family...but in this case -Caylee really doesn't have anyone in her corner. And that makes me SO sad!

jmo

[BJames]

Nope...I'm new ;)

[Boxer]

:eek:


Lenny? What happened to his statements that he never spoke to Casey about the case?

he forgot....lolol

[desmom]

I thought that the local State Attorney's office was doing the investigation. :confused:

Same article, posted earlier today: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-092208,0,7454090.story

11:15 a.m. The State Attorney's Office is reviewing complaints made about the donation accounts set up in the Caylee Marie Anthony case, according to spokesman Randy Means.

[Boxer]

I'm not so sure Mutt and Jeff made that statement. I'm thinking it was more of a Dr Fill staff stunt or misstatement.


I'll listen again....but I am positive (as I can be) that Casey did not go anywhere not sanctioned...

edited to add, will eat my one meal of the day whilst I do it...lol

[trich]

Originally Posted by C_E
I trust Law Enforcement to do the right thing for Caylee.

I trust the FBI lab that tests and produces forensic results.

I trust the Body Farm test results.

I believe justice will be served in this case.

:beer:

Isn't it amazing how so many wish to dismiss all this.

I also want to say that those people who attack others because they disagree with their own personal beliefs is not nice .....everyone should agree to disagree in a polite manner.

[barskin&co.]

I've followed virtually all the trials CTV has covered. Anyone else "enjoy" the Dirk Greineder trial as I did?

Well, that was one interesting controlling, sexually obsessed wife murderer.

[SavannahStar]

I can only explain the basis for my opinion.

I don’t see a motive for anyone but Casey. Casey was locked into living with her parents because she couldn’t afford to pay rent and child care if she and Caylee moved out, but I think she hated living under Cindy’s thumb. Add to it she had met TonE a few weeks before Caylee disappeared and she may have sensed that he wasn’t looking for a built-in family.

Moreover, I can’t see Casey sitting in jail to cover for her mother. She seems quite egocentric.

If Cindy or George were involved they could have simply said that Casey and Caylee had moved out, maybe to another state. Since the Anthony’s don’t seem to have close friends who would have noticed Caylee’s absence other then neighbors? Instead Cindy calls LE and tells them the car smells like a dead body. That makes no sense to me.

Casey seems to be the only one with motive and opportunity. IMO

You are very smart and I always appreciate your input and posts on matters such as th one we are dealing with now.

I've been posting with Unperson for years, and I gotta agree with that. :beer:

[st777jo]

That's so preposterous it's laughable.

If LE can show a jury Forensic testing which proves that Caylee is deceased, no less, and this is the important factor here, she is deceased through multiple cross-testing (as they have supposedly done), it would be quite reasonable to expect that LE would no longer investigate claims of live Caylee sightings.

BUT - let's leave that argument aside for a moment, and only concentrate on their "leaks", and the fact that they have admittedly not been able to clearly state that Caylee is deceased. They hedge, each and every time, in fact the worst being Irwin's (I believe was his name) interview where he seriously looked like he was wetting himself while being put to the test and held to the fire with the reporter.

Every single time she would try to make him state without hedging that Caylee was deceased, he dodged. And never once has anything credible come from LE themselves pertaining to a positively deceased Caylee - it's always through unprofessional, unverified "leaks".

Excuse me, but I didn't know that LE had a responsibility to explain their every move to ordinary citizens. And as I asked earlier, I wonder what the reason is for some on here to have a never ending hard one on for LE.
jmo, jo

[steffaroob4]

Then why would they put this at the end of the 5pm update....


"Many of us have wondered WHERE exactly the trust fund money set up for Caylee and the donations have gone and if it was spent legally for the right things," the woman wrote. "Many have speculated that Cindy and George have spent the Caylee money to try to help bond Casey out of jail, pay for their own lawyers, buy frivolous things completely unrelated to little Caylee, etc. The general public has a right to know where this money and trust fund money is going! Can't this family be investigated for some form of fraud?"

The Attorney General's Office is not investigating the trust funds."



http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-092208,0,7454090.story


Since there was only 2,500 dollars in the one and the lawyers had receipts, I don't see an issue with it. That sure is a confusing update.

[Rebel Rouzer]

WFTV Video 2:30
Casey Anthony's Attorney Make New Request For New Hearing
http://www.wftv.com/video/17532637/index.html

I think it's telling that Casey will spend less time with Baez her attorney than before. What made that change?

Also find it interestinng they made mention of Casey wearing her shirt making more of a fashion statement and hiding the number people were to call with information.

They need to stop reading the boards and start looking for Caylee or spill the truth. That child is out there rotting like trash when the mother knows where she is and can stop all of this.

[joolz]

I've followed virtually all the trials CTV has covered. Anyone else "enjoy" the Dirk Greineder trial as I did?

Oh yes, I did! Pathetic Dirk and his online hookups with some of the most unnattractive couples ever! And don't forget Rabbi Neulander. :D

[trich]

Excuse me, but I didn't know that LE had a responsibility to explain their every move to ordinary citizens. And as I asked earlier, I wonder what the reason is for some on here to have a never ending hard one on for LE.
jmo, jo



I have been wondering that myself.

[desmom]

Originally Posted by desmom
IMO, people became suspicious when they contacted Lee asking how to contribute using Paypal. I have seen several sites with posts from people who claim Lee told them the bank did not want to mess with Paypal, but they could send their donation to his personal Paypal.

SunTrust handled Trenton's account and donations were accepted through Paypal.



Suntrust most definitely took PayPal during the precious Trenton search, I emptied my shops PayPal account monies in Trenton's Suntrust Trust.
Also on the commit I typed that some of this money was to be used for Josh & his Mother to go to eat at the best steak house there.

Suntrust has their reasons for ALSO wanting to disassociate with the likes of the anthony's.

This is the 1st case I remember in all my life where there was literally NO support, not from family, friends, neighbors, church, co-worker, ect... Nobody, No Nothing!

Sly

OMG! I remember that! It made me cry then and it made me cry now.

:rose: Trenton

:rose: Caylee

[Joan Weiss]

That's exactly what I think, Boxer. We would've heard if Casey and Rob Dick did a separate, 9 day car search for Caylee.Absolutely. Her schedule for the week is usually published. Nothing on there about driving around with Rob Dick. imo

[martha]

Excuse me, but I didn't know that LE had a responsibility to explain their every move to ordinary citizens. And as I asked earlier, I wonder what the reason is for some on here to have a never ending hard one on for LE.
jmo, jo ITA with you. I bet they have a lot more than they have ever let out. I think they will charge her in nov. with murder. jmho:rose:

[MyrDawn]

I've been posting with Unperson for years, and I gotta agree with that. :beer:

I agree, too. Unperson summed up pretty much my reasons for believing Casey is the guilty one and George & Cindy didn't have anything to do with it. :beer:

[~jomomma~]

WFTV Video 2:30
Casey Anthony's Attorney Make New Request For New Hearing
http://www.wftv.com/video/17532637/index.html

thanks Cury-us!

interesting....she's got some evening hours planned with Baez this week

barf

[SavannahStar]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:

Me. Too many cases to even begin to count. Starting with OJ (on TV only), on message boards starting with Peterson West.

[need2no]

Maybe Fusion was her therapy. :D



LOL...yeah too bad she didn't get that position as manager of 'shot girls' 2 and 1/2 years or so years earlier....PROBLEMO SOLVED! :D

[Reenbean]

Excuse me, but I didn't know that LE had a responsibility to explain their every move to ordinary citizens. And as I asked earlier, I wonder what the reason is for some on here to have a never ending hard one on for LE.
jmo, jo

You're absolutely right about that, LE does not have to explain ANYTHING to the public. And they certainly aren't going to show their cards until it's clear they can lock this girl up for life, where she belongs IMO. Let tehm take all the time they need I say. Look how much incriminating stuff comes to light as each week passes! It just keeps piling on, a nice big mountain of CE so far. The forensics will just be a bonus at this point IMO.
As for people w/ the "attitude" about LE, I'm just guessing: too many speeding tickets perhaps?;)

[trich]

Post Partum Depression ~ did I spell that right?



Just more psycho babble excuses for moms doing bad things to their kids.
I don't believe for a minute that is possible almost 3 years after you give birth,.


I am tired of shrinks trying to make excuses for peoples bad behavior.
People should know it is their responsibility for their own behavior and be accountable for such.

[Snewpy]

Excuse me, but I didn't know that LE had a responsibility to explain their every move to ordinary citizens. And as I asked earlier, I wonder what the reason is for some on here to have a never ending hard one on for LE.
jmo, jo

Can you imagine... think of how frustrated "we" all are here who post on these boards.. how maddening it is not to be able to DO anything to bring sweet Caylee home. Then imagine how frustrated and all-consuming this must be for those in LE who are investigating this case. To know from the very beginning they were behind the 8-ball because the trail was already over 30 days COLD because no one bothered to call them to tell them this precious girl was MISSING. To wake up with this and work it all day and night and go to sleep with it every night... it must be something that will haunt them forever.

God bless LE.. and God bless Caylee.. :rose:

[True2Blues]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:


My first case was Menendez, the original trial.

The legal aspects of every trial get delved into. How could they not? Every state has it's own laws and unless you have an encyclopedic memory and have memorized not just the state statutes, but all case law and Supreme Court decisions, it takes some looking into to help understand why things happen as they do in these cases.

[shelbar53]

Because they would then be expected to press charges and the defense can ask for discovery and a speedy trial. LE is getting their ducks in a row before they say what they have or arrest Casey. Meanwhile they have to either followup on leads or lay out their case, including an arrest or two.

Ok thna makes sense, now I understand, thanks for answering

[CinTN]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:


This is my first :seeya: because I didnt know about these boards in the past...
I just happen to find this one day,, dont ask me how or where 'cause I dont remember...

[SavannahStar]

I started following cases on line with Scott Peterson, then Melinda Duckett, Phil Spector, and various others on a private board.

Was up close and personal on OJ's case, not online.

I remember. :rose: for you. :(

[Joan Weiss]

Why not. A lot of you seem to think that the Anthony's have a responsibility to explain their every move to ordinary citizens.Being that the Anthonys are ordinary citizens, I think the playing field is level. When they tell ordinary citizens to get off their azz and search for Caylee, then I think us ordinary citizens are entitled to see what important things they are doing that don't include searching for Caylee. jmo

[Broderick]

That's so preposterous it's laughable.

If LE can show a jury Forensic testing which proves that Caylee is deceased, no less, and this is the important factor here, she is deceased through multiple cross-testing (as they have supposedly done), it would be quite reasonable to expect that LE would no longer investigate claims of live Caylee sightings.

BUT - let's leave that argument aside for a moment, and only concentrate on their "leaks", and the fact that they have admittedly not been able to clearly state that Caylee is deceased. They hedge, each and every time, in fact the worst being Irwin's (I believe was his name) interview where he seriously looked like he was wetting himself while being put to the test and held to the fire with the reporter.

Every single time she would try to make him state without hedging that Caylee was deceased, he dodged. And never once has anything credible come from LE themselves pertaining to a positively deceased Caylee - it's always through unprofessional, unverified "leaks".

It is not laughable one bit. No matter how much you bold it. If a defense attorney were to imply that all avenues were not investigated meanwhile have expert testimony to refute the forensic evidence in many different respects it would damage the prosecution. We have seen it many times, and in major stories one would have to refer to the first Simpson trial to see it done. The expert testimony from the defense encouraged doubt from the chain of custody aspect - and did it well in my estimation. They coupled that with reasonable doubt on suspects if you might recall and how the investigation relegated themselves to pursuing a single application of interest which was Simpson. This hurt the prosecution.

Leaks are leaks. I can only look at what they have released to the public which is in response to the current charges, whether they are child neglect or financial crimes. I do see them running concurrent investigations. I see them pursuing a deceased child and pursuing a living child. That is pretty clear. Any prosecuting attorney would want that, and would want to wait to press any additional charges until they have all the evidence and one of those evidentiary items that would help with pressing further charges is a body if they believe the young girl is deceased. If the leaks release are true, one could say they have grounds for something like negligent homicide only. We do not know whether they have what has been leaked or whether they have more. I for one don't think they are refuting the leaks, so I would assume the leaks are valid.

[Joan Weiss]

QUESTION?

How many posters have followed more cases than just this one?
How many posters have delved into the legal aspects of cases like this one?

:read:I've been on the boards since the Michael Peterson case, and I have the scars to prove it. I can't enumerate all the cases I've followed, but I will say I've followed all that were on CTV. imo.

[True2Blues]

Just more psycho babble excuses for moms doing bad things to their kids.
I don't believe for a minute that is possible almost 3 years after you give birth,.


I am tired of shrinks trying to make excuses for peoples bad behavior.
People should know it is their responsibility for their own behavior and be accountable for such.


OMG You're not suggesting.....GULP...Personal Responsibility are you?:eek:

There's something you don't see anymore, and I agree with you 100%, we need to see more of it!

I don't believe anything DP says. He'd claim Charles Manson suffers from PPD if it would get his TV ratings up.

[MyrDawn]

You're absolutely right about that, LE does not have to explain ANYTHING to the public. And they certainly aren't going to show their cards until it's clear they can lock this girl up for life, where she belongs IMO. Let tehm take all the time they need I say. Look how much incriminating stuff comes to light as each week passes! It just keeps piling on, a nice big mountain of CE so far. The forensics will just be a bonus at this point IMO.
As for people w/ the "attitude" about LE, I'm just guessing: too many speeding tickets perhaps?;)

If the LE investigating a case does lay all their cards on the table, they are being very stupid, IMO. Any LE with an ounce of smarts will hold things back, such as things only the person that committed the crime could know. JMO

[~jomomma~]

i followed OJ and Van Dam (sp) on tv

Lacy, Natalee and now Caylee on the boards :(

[Broderick]

Before there is proof that the victim is dead, of course the Defense is going to cry foul, but not after extensive Forensic testing is done and it has been positively determined that the victim is no longer living.

Any good defense attorney will argue the merits of forensic evidence in many different ways. You can positively determine with forensics that someone is dead, but that doesn't mean there isn't reasonable doubt with a jury.

[SavannahStar]

This is about Casey not OJ...perhaps you can PM that poster and discuss OJ.

Someone FINALLY responds to me .. and it has to be you ...nagging.
Pfffftt.


:lol:.........

[Howiefan]

I'm beginning to think you are correct about that Boxer.

LYING BY OMISSION! :cuss:


But stay tuned...I'm sure Nancy will delve into this tonight.
I sure hope she does because as far as I remember Dick already has said what she would say to him in the home and what she would do which was play on the computer etc..I personally think Dr Phil made a boob and made it sound like Dick was driving her all around town for 9 days when in fact he was driving her to her Lawyers office and back and we all know Casey pretty well she loves to flirt and talk.. jmo of course

[kakax]

thanks Cury-us!

interesting....she's got some evening hours planned with Baez this week

barf

Kathy Belich said at the end of this that Channel 9 has pulled back from the house....

Wonder if the other news channels will follow...could be the end of the web cam....

[rosejustrose]

I'll listen again....but I am positive (as I can be) that Casey did not go anywhere not sanctioned...

edited to add, will eat my one meal of the day whilst I do it...lol


Well if you're not eating drink water.

[st777jo]

Why not. A lot of you seem to think that the Anthony's have a responsibility to explain their every move to ordinary citizens.


For one thing, I never said the A's owe me anything.

For another thing, they did and do have a responsibility to CAYLEE. To do everything in their power to bring her home.

And one last thing, LE owes you LE bashers "absolutely" nothing.

jmo, jo

[redcard]

What makes anyone think that finding the body is going to give more evidence that points to Casey Anthony or any of the Anthonys as a killer? Do you know what happens to the human body after 98 days in the ground? I mean, I don't say this in an attempt to be disgusting by any stretch, but this isn't like those crime shows where they can tell you who did what on decade old bodies. This case gets solved by someone coming forward and spilling their guts, and that's all that does it at this point.

Unless someone turns on Casey, I'd say it's unlikely we get a life conviction here.

[Broderick]

Due to the fact that the supposed "death band" could be interpreted as coming from many other causes, as Koby pointed out, which of course Nancy Grace just hated lol, as well as the testing from the Body Farm not being admissible would be plenty enough for LE to not know that Caylee is deceased. And that's just for starters.

My point is that since they don't know, then they shouldn't be intimating that they do.

Again, the justice system is pretty easy to understand if you study it. They only need make sure they can prove to a jury, which is different than proving to themselves or to a forensic lab that someone is dead. One deathband on a hair may not be enough to convince a jury if all alternatives are not pursued.

[desmom]

Due to the fact that the supposed "death band" could be interpreted as coming from many other causes, as Koby pointed out, which of course Nancy Grace just hated lol, as well as the testing from the Body Farm not being admissible would be plenty enough for LE to not know that Caylee is deceased. And that's just for starters.

My point is that since they don't know, then they shouldn't be intimating that they do.

Wasn't Koby's statement on NG after he had been contacted by JB for assistance?

IMO, Koby was weighing his words carefully because his words on NG may come back and bite him if he is called as a defense expert witness.

[~jomomma~]

Kathy Belich said at the end of this that Channel 9 has pulled back from the house....

Wonder if the other news channels will follow...could be the end of the web cam....

yeah! and this weekend was the most quiet weekend so far.

i think the Guardian Angels had alot to do with that, not just the news people pulling out.

[joolz]

snipped:

My first case was Menendez, the original trial.



True, I knew I liked you for a very good reason!
:D Ah, the Menendez "boys" in their pastel sweaters.

I bet we see Casey Anthony made to look like an innocent schoolgirl when this finally goes to trial. Ponytail, peterpan collar, very little makeup and no, no NOT those boots! Ballet flats. :eek:

[margaret kep]

That's what he said was wrong with Casey? No wonder I don't trust him.

I saw Dr.Phil and thought he was talking about Anti Social Personality Disorder, which he thought Casey showed signs of,jmo.:confused:

[~jomomma~]

What makes anyone think that finding the body is going to give more evidence that points to Casey Anthony or any of the Anthonys as a killer? Do you know what happens to the human body after 98 days in the ground? I mean, I don't say this in an attempt to be disgusting by any stretch, but this isn't like those crime shows where they can tell you who did what on decade old bodies. This case gets solved by someone coming forward and spilling their guts, and that's all that does it at this point.

Unless someone turns on Casey, I'd say it's unlikely we get a life conviction here.

mmmm....i'm going to disagree here.

with the other evidence, ie. dogs and trunk

[Boxer]

09-22-2008, 05:57 PM
IdolHands
Registered User Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,038

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxer
Misleading in stating things in a way to make people believe that they drove Casey around for 9 days actively searching for Caylee and checking out various places of interest that she gave them. They may have went to all of the hotspots mentioned in this horrible case, but I don't think Casey was with them. I think they did take her to her approved appointments and then delivered her directly home.

JMO

I'm not so sure Mutt and Jeff made that statement. I'm thinking it was more of a Dr Fill staff stunt or misstatement.
__________________
Snarky McSnarkerson.. at your service.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

you're right. I apologise. They let Phil McGraw make the leading statements and never corrected him.

Also, in listening again, BH told another lie in saying Tony Padilla wrote the bond, which we know is not true.

[rosejustrose]

Originally Posted by C_E
I trust Law Enforcement to do the right thing for Caylee.

I trust the FBI lab that tests and produces forensic results.

I trust the Body Farm test results.

I believe justice will be served in this case.

:beer:

Isn't it amazing how so many wish to dismiss all this.

I also want to say that those people who attack others because they disagree with their own personal beliefs is not nice .....everyone should agree to disagree in a polite manner.


Again, ITA. It's much more production to offer up a counter position based on logic and/or speculation instead of being snide, rude, nonresponsive to the topic and just plain mean. JMHO.

[ruth66]

Right after Leonard talked about bailing her out of jail is when Dr. Phil started asking Rob Dick about the 9 days of driving Casey around, and he didn't deny it. Don't know why that isn't on the links you provided. Maybe some who are watching now can comment further.

:shrug:


Was lurking, just wanted to add how I took that exchange....Dr. Phil mentioned driving her around for 9 days but I took it as driving her to and from her attorney's office, not actually looking for Caylee. RD didn't really have a chance to correct him or give a more detailed explanation. I think they assume everyone know she is on the bracelet.
That is just the way I took it.....

[st777jo]

Can you imagine... think of how frustrated "we" all are here who post on these boards.. how maddening it is not to be able to DO anything to bring sweet Caylee home. Then imagine how frustrated and all-consuming this must be for those in LE who are investigating this case. To know from the very beginning they were behind the 8-ball because the trail was already over 30 days COLD because no one bothered to call them to tell them this precious girl was MISSING. To wake up with this and work it all day and night and go to sleep with it every night... it must be something that will haunt them forever.

God bless LE.. and God bless Caylee.. :rose:


Thank you, it about sums it up for me.

[trich]

Originally Posted by ~DaddysGirl~
because this board is about Caylee.


Yes this board is about Caylee but you can't discuss Caylee being missing without mentioning that her mother (Casey) is the one who "lost" her and that her Grandparents(Cindy and George) along with her uncle(Lee) are all lying to cover for her mom.
You can't discuss this missing child without hearing about the friends of her mom who were all witnesses to lies and theivery from her mother.
So see whatever is said about Caylee being missing is all intertwined with the rest ....you can not discuss Caylee without all the other people involved.
To me it is very simple.

[barskin&co.]

snipped:



True, I knew I liked you for a very good reason!
:D Ah, the Menendez "boys" in their pastel sweaters.

I bet we see Casey Anthony made to look like an innocent schoolgirl when this finally goes to trial. Ponytail, peterpan collar, very little makeup and no, no NOT those boots! Ballet flats. :eek:

I wonder if there are professional defendant stylists these days. I wouldn't be surprised.

[day2day]

Well if you're not eating drink water.

Probly donated bottle water if the truth was known..jmohammer

[kitty1182]

Been gone since early friday morning..Got home around 4pm today.

What have I missed? :(

[SavannahStar]

OMG You're not suggesting.....GULP...Personal Responsibility are you?:eek:

There's something you don't see anymore, and I agree with you 100%, we need to see more of it!

I don't believe anything DP says. He'd claim Charles Manson suffers from PPD if it would get his TV ratings up.


:beer:..........

[redcard]

mmmm....i'm going to disagree here.

with the other evidence, ie. dogs and trunk

The dogs and the trunk we have NOW. Couple with the body, and the only crimes we have are transport of a corpse and neglect. That's a far cry from a life murder conviction.

[Broderick]

What makes anyone think that finding the body is going to give more evidence that points to Casey Anthony or any of the Anthonys as a killer? Do you know what happens to the human body after 98 days in the ground? I mean, I don't say this in an attempt to be disgusting by any stretch, but this isn't like those crime shows where they can tell you who did what on decade old bodies. This case gets solved by someone coming forward and spilling their guts, and that's all that does it at this point.

Unless someone turns on Casey, I'd say it's unlikely we get a life conviction here.

You may be absolutely correct. I would say that finding the body might help the prosecution determine charges if there is blunt trauma, evidence of strangulation, evidence associated with the discovery putting the plaintiff in possession of the body, evidence of chemical malfeasance, etc. etc. It would also obviously prove the demise which is what I have been discussing for a bit here based on law enforcement's appearing to run concurrent investigations.

[DiamondL'il]

I started when it was 'Dannielle VanDam', then Laci now this one.

yeah, OJ but only watched the trial.

I too began this obsession back with little Danielle VanDam, Laci, as well as the case in Skidmore,MO. of Bobbie Jo Stennett. The young mother that had her baby(Victoria Jo) cut from her abdomen.

I try soooo hard to NOT allow myself to get emotionally attached. I simply cannot police myself. I allow the frustration to monopolize all of my spare time, until a conclusion is reached.

I tell my friends/family, if I ever make it to the pearly gates, I have 2 questions for the BIG GUY:
1)Did OJ do it (alone)?

2)Can I hear the personal files from Scott Petersons prayers?

3)This case may very well make the list of questions.
I hope THE BIG GUY will have time in his/her busy schedule? At the rate we're going now, she/he's going to need to pack a lunch?

Moderation? Guess that's the personal lesson that "I" need work on, huh?

:shrug:

[shelbar53]

thanks Cury-us!

interesting....she's got some evening hours planned with Baez this week

barf
grrrr, i can never get the video to work on my fred flinstone computer, is there a wriiten transcript of that video?

[Ckrdpast]

I wonder if there are professional defendant stylists these days. I wouldn't be surprised.

i can imagine an event co-ordinater--styling defendents---afterall, trials ARE an event these days--

:seeya:hi ya bar!

[Boxer]

I wonder if there are professional defendant stylists these days. I wouldn't be surprised.


yes, there are along with people who will help you search out what kind/type of jurors you might want.

Phil McGraw used to do this. I forget the name of the company, but the woman who owns it does not speak kindly of him. I will search for a link.

[girlspell]

I just wish this case did something such as move forward. Nothing has happened for so long.

I don't know if LE has enough evidence to pin anything on her other then neglect and forged checks. I can't help but feel if they did, they would have brought charges long ago.

If they are holding something back, what for? Casey will never crack and we won't find Caylee. It feels like it's going around in circles. Everyboyd knows she lies, but we need something more then a smoking gun to nail her. So far, nothing

[Acorn]

Kathy Belich said at the end of this that Channel 9 has pulled back from the house....

Wonder if the other news channels will follow...could be the end of the web cam....

I hope not. I enjoy watching the beautiful sunrises, watching LE come and go, and the supervision officer visits.

[SavannahStar]

Yes this board is about Caylee but you can't discuss Caylee being missing without mentioning that her mother (Casey) is the one who "lost" her and that her Grandparents(Cindy and George) along with her uncle(Lee) are all lying to cover for her mom.
You can't discuss this missing child without hearing about the friends of her mom who were all witnesses to lies and theivery from her mother.
So see whatever is said about Caylee being missing is all intertwined with the rest ....you can not discuss Caylee without all the other people involved.
To me it is very simple.

You know, this is a very good post. And I think exactly the same way you do whenever someone posts "what about Caylee" "where's Caylee" "Caylee is forgotten in all this".....etc., etc.

Caylee IS in EVERYTHING we discuss here about this case. Make no mistake. :rose:

[st777jo]

What makes anyone think that finding the body is going to give more evidence that points to Casey Anthony or any of the Anthonys as a killer? Do you know what happens to the human body after 98 days in the ground? I mean, I don't say this in an attempt to be disgusting by any stretch, but this isn't like those crime shows where they can tell you who did what on decade old bodies. This case gets solved by someone coming forward and spilling their guts, and that's all that does it at this point.

Unless someone turns on Casey, I'd say it's unlikely we get a life conviction here.

But I'll bet she'll get enough time that when she gets out, she won't be partying hardy at Fusion.
jmo, jo

[msjoni]

Was there a Vaseline explosion in front of the Anthony's today? I'm trying to get the wipers to work on the cam there, with no luck. :shrug:

:seeya: It does look like someone smeared vaseline on the lens...

[Broderick]

That applies to anyone other than OCSO, because they're still not sure.

Again, they don't need to be if you ever get involved in law enforcement or prosecution. They can run concurrent investigations from a procedural standpoint. I would hope that investigation continues into a living Caylee though. It is good for prosecution and sometimes forensics, as a defense attorney will assert, does not tell the whole story.

[Boxer]

yes, there are along with people who will help you search out what kind/type of jurors you might want.

Phil McGraw used to do this. I forget the name of the company, but the woman who owns it does not speak kindly of him. I will search for a link.

During a lawsuit against Winfrey (see Influence), she hired Dr. Phil McGraw's company Courtroom Sciences, Inc. to help her analyze and read the jury. Dr. Phil made such an impression on Winfrey that she invited him to appear on her show. He accepted the invitation and was a resounding success. McGraw appeared on The Oprah Winfrey Show for several years before launching his own show, Dr. Phil, in 2002, which was created by Winfrey's production company, Harpo Productions in partnership with Paramount which produced the show.



http://www.freedomtrail.org/profiles/oprahwinfrey.htm

[Howiefan]

Was lurking, just wanted to add how I took that exchange....Dr. Phil mentioned driving her around for 9 days but I took it as driving her to and from her attorney's office, not actually looking for Caylee. RD didn't really have a chance to correct him or give a more detailed explanation. I think they assume everyone know she is on the bracelet.
That is just the way I took it.....
exactly what I thought too

[True2Blues]

Wasn't Koby's statement on NG after he had been contacted by JB for assistance?

IMO, Koby was weighing his words carefully because his words on NG may come back and bite him if he is called as a defense expert witness.


He was acting strangely after he stated Baez had called him. I don't remember him saying that the testing from the Body Farm wasn't admissible. A Prosecutor from Orlando said that those tests were admissible in court there (not on Nancy Grace in an article).

http://www.wesh.com/news/17314603/detail.html

[msjoni]

i followed OJ and Van Dam (sp) on tv

Lacy, Natalee and now Caylee on the boards :(

I remember following OJ on the boards but I think it was at AOL back then...

[Broderick]

That's exactly my point - the pathetic fact is, OCSO has done multiple cross-testing, and still can't decide if Caylee is really dead.

I am sure they know what they know, but proving it is another matter.

[SavannahStar]

yes, there are along with people who will help you search out what kind/type of jurors you might want.

Phil McGraw used to do this. I forget the name of the company, but the woman who owns it does not speak kindly of him. I will search for a link.


They are jury consultants. Good article here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/02/48hours/main620794.shtml

[Rayosunshine]

Hi, Rose! :seeya:
Did anyone watch Dr. Phil discuss this case today? I thought he had Casey pegged pretty good.


Agreed. I think there is an anti-social component to her personality. What I fear is that this may have been a problem for a long time and that CA and GA were aware of it. It would be interesting to know what her medical records reveal. Would like info re: seizure - was it real or was it fake. Imagine knowing that your child has a diagnoses that is, for whatever reason, not being treated and allowing him/her to take the full responsibility of caring for one of your grandchildren. I would venture to guess that if this is a fact, Casey may have not received treatment and all was covered up because of the stigma associated with mental illness.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Cury-us Coyote]

Just more psycho babble excuses for moms doing bad things to their kids.
I don't believe for a minute that is possible almost 3 years after you give birth,.


I am tired of shrinks trying to make excuses for peoples bad behavior.
People should know it is their responsibility for their own behavior and be accountable for such.

IMO, Casey exhibited slight PPD when she whispered 'I had a desk'.
jmo

[Boxer]

They are jury consultants. Good article here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/02/48hours/main620794.shtml


Synopsis please...I don't have time to read it.

[trich]

I wonder if there are professional defendant stylists these days. I wouldn't be surprised.


I believe there are ...along with professionals who can determined what people should be picked for jury duty...they have ways to tell and plan all of it out.
Most people on trial are cleaned up and spruced up to look the part that they think the jury will respond to.
At that point it becomes perception....

They want the jury to look at this person and think ..no way could this nice looking person do what they are being accused of.

[SavannahStar]

Synopsis please...I don't have time to read it.

It's too long. Don't bother if you're not interested.

[st777jo]

And I wouldn't want to imagine how frustrating this must be for George, Cindy and Lee. God bless them.
:rose:

I would guess it would be less if they quit coddling Casey and start remembering a little girl named Caylee is not in their household anymore.
jmo, jo

[Boxer]

I was sent the crime tape and the police photos.

I knew...you said no, but I knew. (not to be taken by other posters as a comment on photos sent)



:seeya:

[SavannahStar]

I would guess it would be less if they quit coddling Casey and start remembering a little girl named Caylee is not in their household anymore.
jmo, jo

I bet they remember she is not with them and think of it 24/7.

[CinTN]

And I wouldn't want to imagine how frustrating this must be for George, Cindy and Lee. God bless them.
:rose:

Umm I think the post you replied to was referring to LE not the A's ..
LE has to SEARCH for answers ,, The A's have them all but wont tell ,,

BIG difference...

[trich]

IMO, Casey exhibited slight PPD when she whispered 'I had a desk'.
jmo




You are joking right?

[Joan Weiss]

I've followed virtually all the trials CTV has covered. Anyone else "enjoy" the Dirk Greineder trial as I did?Oh, yessss! Watching that drip run down to his lip...

[MyrDawn]

Do you have a kink of Koby saying that? I did not hear it that way. Death band pretty much means the victim was dead. Living do not have these.

Here's a link to the transcript of the show where Koblinsky talks about that band that froms on hair after death.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/01/ng.01.html

I don't see any place in that transcript where he says it it could come from other causes. JMO

[rosejustrose]

TH say Casey is detached.

I dont understand how people detach. I guess Im just too emotional.:o

According to those who actually knew Casey she was emotional before all this happened. JMO.

[Tessie]

The dogs and the trunk we have NOW. Couple with the body, and the only crimes we have are transport of a corpse and neglect. That's a far cry from a life murder conviction.

How about charges for improper disposal of a corpse?

[Boxer]

I bet so too..probably goes like this 'If Caylees body is found our precious Casey will go to prison'..imo


and IMO, George Anthony might say well Cindy you told them about the car..............

[CinTN]

They are going to be talking to a person that was on Dr Phil..
Tune in listen or call..

CALL IN VOICE YOUR OPINION ( Real Radio 104.1 out of Orlando)


1-407-916-1041 Local FL or 1-888-978-1041 NATION WIDE ..

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Call in and voice your opinion .. :beer:

[rosejustrose]

And I wouldn't want to imagine how frustrating this must be for George, Cindy and Lee. God bless them.
:rose:


Lee testified under oath that he was probably the one person that could get Casey to talk. Maybe he needs to try a little harder and then his family would be able to put little Caylee to rest with peace and dignity. JMO.

[shelbar53]

Is baez getting tired of casey? is he cutting back the amount of time he spends with her?

[Boxer]

They are going to be talking to a person that was on Dr Phil..
Tune in listen or call..

CALL IN VOICE YOUR OPINION ( Real Radio 104.1 out of Orlando)


1-407-916-1041 Local FL or 1-888-978-1041 NATION WIDE ..

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Call in and voice your opinion .. :beer:


thanks! :seeya: should be interesting

[rosejustrose]

That's exactly my point - the pathetic fact is, OCSO has done multiple cross-testing, and still can't decide if Caylee is really dead.

I believe the more sophisticated testing is being done by the FBI labs. JMO and stand to be corrected.

[joolz]

I believe there are ...along with professionals who can determined what people should be picked for jury duty...they have ways to tell and plan all of it out.
Most people on trial are cleaned up and spruced up to look the part that they think the jury will respond to.
At that point it becomes perception....

They want the jury to look at this person and think ..no way could this nice looking person do what they are being accused of.


JoEllen Demetrius was the first jury consultant I ever saw, but I don't remember if that was on OJ or Menendez.

[Joan Weiss]

What makes anyone think that finding the body is going to give more evidence that points to Casey Anthony or any of the Anthonys as a killer? Do you know what happens to the human body after 98 days in the ground? I mean, I don't say this in an attempt to be disgusting by any stretch, but this isn't like those crime shows where they can tell you who did what on decade old bodies. This case gets solved by someone coming forward and spilling their guts, and that's all that does it at this point.

Unless someone turns on Casey, I'd say it's unlikely we get a life conviction here.Not necessarily. I heard a TH just last week say if the body was buried, there is a good chance they can recover evidence such as drugs. It's cooler underground. Also, if there is any damage to the bones, they can make a determination from them.

I'm not ruling anything out. jmo

[Broderick]

For those wanting expedient justice, it is not going to happen because this case is complex. They may be able to charge negligent homicide at this point. Without the body (probably at a good state of decomposition) to determine chemical malfeasance, strangulation, or blunt trauma - the prosecution is going to have a hard time determining cause and manner of death. If by chance one of those things is determinable, AND they have evidence of custody in disposal then perhaps prosecution will be able to charge relevant changes hereto.

As I see it, they may have good cause to determine death, they have good cause to determine the person of interest. Even if the charges of child neglect stand and it is associated with the death of the child, the most she will get is the maximum to those charges, without a body. They might advance the charges to negligent homicide which will be easier to prove and require more custody time than going full bore on capital murder.

[CinTN]

thanks! :seeya: should be interesting

Your welcome,, you in FL?

Sorry its not a lady that was on,, its a lady that was covering it from Local 6 news ....

Talking about the protesters and such ...

They are going to be talking to a person that was covering the show with Dr Phil..
Tune in listen or call..

CALL IN VOICE YOUR OPINION ( Real Radio 104.1 out of Orlando)


1-407-916-1041 Local FL or 1-888-978-1041 NATION WIDE ..

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Call in and voice your opinion .. :beer:

[MyrDawn]

That's exactly my point - the pathetic fact is, OCSO has done multiple cross-testing, and still can't decide if Caylee is really dead.

I think they know she's dead. They aren't spilling all their secrets, you know. JMO

[nc1948]

Dr. Phil is worse than useless, IMO.

I watched is this AM. Was waiting on all of you watch and give you take. To me it seemed an awful lot of Wonderful, upset, totally bereft, hurting Grandparents. They are not POI(is this true). A Publicity firm could not have done a better job of showing them in a good light.
Did anyone else see this or am I so totally seeing things now. I know I have been hearing things (lies, distortions, mistruths) for a while.

What is your take>

[desmom]

Tonight on Nancy Grace:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

The father of tot mom Casey Anthony's ex-boyfriend speaks out! A primetime exclusive interview on Nancy Grace, tonight 8 & 10 ET on Headline News.


From NG's Blog on Caylee:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/index.html

2:37 PM ET - George Anthony leaves home without stepping outside. He was already in his car ready to back out when the garage door went up. Casey Anthony is inside the home after a meeting with her home confinement officer. She will not leave the house again today. She will go to meet with her attorney tomorrow at 10 a.m.

[BJames]

I watched is this AM. Was waiting on all of you watch and give you take. To me it seemed an awful lot of Wonderful, upset, totally bereft, hurting Grandparents. They are not POI(is this true). A Publicity firm could not have done a better job of showing them in a good light.
Did anyone else see this or am I so totally seeing things now. I know I have been hearing things (lies, distortions, mistruths) for a while.

What is your take>


Do you think that this Dr. Phil program will educate/reach more people? Could it make some folks want to physically search for Caylee?...or maybe anger other folks yet...thanks for any insight.

[trich]

According to those who actually knew Casey she was emotional before all this happened. JMO.



I think she had everybody fooled.
She is nothing but good at lying ....she has it down to perfection.


How many times have we found out about serial killers etc that most neighbors and family could hardly believe that about the person.
It happens all the time.
But I have to say that it seems like most of Casey's friends knew she ws a liar.

[day2day]

My question is simple? Where is Lee Anthony?! I wonder if he is in protective custody...or Puerto Rico?~(you know the search n all)
:shrug:
jmo

[Broderick]

It seemed to me like C and G's attorney, Nejame, won the day. His clients were presented in as positive a light as those two can be presented in.

I couldn't help but think that Casey might really be thinking she's extra special now, after seeing those big honkin photos of her booking photos on the Dr. Phil Show. I figure it goes one of two ways with her -- either she thinks she's famous, or she has enough good sense to be mortified. I hope it's the latter.

I got nothing more out of the show. Just a rehash of things we've been discussing here for weeks.

Oh ... and I don't think Rob Dick did searches with Casey for Caylee for 9 days, either. I think maybe Lenny and Rob would like us to think they did ... or Dr. Phil's spin machine would like us to think they did. But I don't think they did.


I think Nejame does a better job than Garrison to elicit sympathy. He makes sense when he talks, and if you aren't real close to the case, he is quite believable. Some attorneys are worth the money.

[day2day]

Bubblegum, rainbows and unicorns.:D

Better than baseball bats, hammers and chloroform? I really think once the press goes away ..LE will turn the heat up-slowlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...

jmo of course..
Casey do us ALL a favor and tell us where Caylee is? :no:

[st777jo]

;)

Are you listening to this radio station that was posted on Caylee's case?

It's pretty interesting to listen to this woman who just stated that people are highly upset about Casey's lack of emotion about Caylee, and yet they're also badgering Cindy who is showing the emotion about Caylee.


Could you tell me what emotion Cindy is showing except to confront protesters??? I don't see it.

[SavannahStar]

I think she had everybody fooled.
She is nothing but good at lying ....she has it down to perfection.


How many times have we found out about serial killers etc that most neighbors and family could hardly believe that about the person.
It happens all the time.
But I have to say that it seems like most of Casey's friends knew she ws a liar.

She could be emotional and still be a liar. :shrug:

It's been mentioned before that she had all her friends completely fooled. I'm sure that at least some of the things they've said about her are true.

It's likely that they knew Casey better than "we" do (collective "we" ...as message board posters) after just several months of watching a case unfold on TV and on the internet. It truly amazes me that some of "us" think we know her so well......right down to a perfect diagnosis.

[rosejustrose]

i am narrowed enough to leave you out of that equation.


:) ,

[jessjam]

Originally Posted by ~DaddysGirl~
because this board is about Caylee.


Yes this board is about Caylee but you can't discuss Caylee being missing without mentioning that her mother (Casey) is the one who "lost" her and that her Grandparents(Cindy and George) along with her uncle(Lee) are all lying to cover for her mom.
You can't discuss this missing child without hearing about the friends of her mom who were all witnesses to lies and theivery from her mother.
So see whatever is said about Caylee being missing is all intertwined with the rest ....you can not discuss Caylee without all the other people involved.
To me it is very simple.

I agree 100%

[Broderick]

Once again nothing new. Just a false sighting (myfoxorlando) that GA doesn't even believe is Caylee. Baez according to ABC Orlando (video) is refiling his hearing charges to halt the examination by LE of forensic evidence. Oh and also according to that video Casey ties her Missing Caylee shirt in a knot at the hip which totally obscures the fold of the shirt and prevents you from seeing the full tip line. Casey is spending night time visits with her attorney now. She appeared today without glasses. The HOA that has seemed to have so much power in the past has none now...at least as far as the protesters are concerned. Oh yeah and Baez botched the intial first hearing because the fool forgot to file his request with the judge...in so facto guaranteeing there was no hearing. Moron.
Did I miss anything of huge importance?


I won't condemn Baez as of yet, although he has made some mistakes which I think come from inexperience and acumen.

[rosejustrose]

Tonight on Nancy Grace:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

The father of tot mom Casey Anthony's ex-boyfriend speaks out! A primetime exclusive interview on Nancy Grace, tonight 8 & 10 ET on Headline News.


From NG's Blog on Caylee:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/index.html

2:37 PM ET - George Anthony leaves home without stepping outside. He was already in his car ready to back out when the garage door went up. Casey Anthony is inside the home after a meeting with her home confinement officer. She will not leave the house again today. She will go to meet with her attorney tomorrow at 10 a.m.


I certainly hope she gives the man time to answer questions. Sometimes it's so frustrating watching her show. JMO.

[joolz]

My ankle bracelet is diesel powered. You should look into it! :seeya: Boxer.

I'm out too - bracelet's fine but it's getting a bit thick here with, well, just thick. Later.:seeya:

:rose: Caylee

[st777jo]

Momma Miami, I have no one on iggy. Sorry if we missed your posts. They are rolling quickly.

[Broderick]

Ya know? I feel like I have posted some valid opions in the last couple of hours but have received very little if any response. It appears that most of you are just into one liners tonight, so I'm going to tuck my tail between my legs and go be with my only friend, Nancy Grace. Hopefully she will have something more important relating to Caylee than where Rob Dick was driving Casey around to all day. I don't know if I'm on a lot of ignore lists here or if it is just a clique? :shrug: :confused:


Opinions here are numerous and rampant. Facts and knowledge of legal proceedings and investigation are more scarce.

[SavannahStar]

Ya know? I feel like I have posted some valid opions in the last couple of hours but have received very little if any response. It appears that most of you are just into one liners tonight, so I'm going to tuck my tail between my legs and go be with my only friend, Nancy Grace. Hopefully she will have something more important relating to Caylee than where Rob Dick was driving Casey around to all day. I don't know if I'm on a lot of ignore lists here or if it is just a clique? :shrug: :confused:

:rose: (There are some cliques I think.)

Wasn't it you I was talking to (as well as day2day) about the rumor about Cindy's filing bankruptcy this past April? I found out: NOT TRUE.

[True2Blues]

IIRC she and Sandy Murphy were in the LV jail at the same time and actually got in a fight (not physical) and had to be put in cells further apart from each other. I can see ol' Casey right up there with that kind of action - if there is anyone like them outside of Vegas!:D

Yelling maybe, if she's safe behind bars, but I doubt she'd get in a physical fight. At least not unless she could come from behind. Child killers are cowards.

[rosejustrose]

I think she had everybody fooled.
She is nothing but good at lying ....she has it down to perfection.


How many times have we found out about serial killers etc that most neighbors and family could hardly believe that about the person.
It happens all the time.
But I have to say that it seems like most of Casey's friends knew she ws a liar.

True. And those that didn't know she was a liar and a thief, do know. JMO.

[MyrDawn]

I understand that they don't want to disclose details, but I don't consider making "she's sort of dead" type comments to attribute to truth that their testing exactly as they had hoped that it would with conclusive results.

Sorry, but maybe I'm tired, but I just don't understand what you mean by "to attribute to truth that their testing exactly as they had hoped that it would with conclusive results".

I've never heard them say she's "sort of dead". Although they are following leads that come in about possible Caylee sightings, they were quite clear when Sgt. John Allen said, “The information we’ve gotten back from the lab that she was in the trunk of that car and that she is dead is certainly something we take seriously.”

If they didn't follow leads to claims of sighting, the defense would have a field day at the trial. That doesn't mean they believe she's alive though.

JMO.

[day2day]

:rose: (There are some cliques I think.)

Wasn't it you I was talking to (as well as day2day) about the rumor about Cindy's filing bankruptcy this past April? I found out: NOT TRUE.

Thank you so much Savannah!! I really appreciate the work you put into this! :seeya:

[Motomom]

Ya know? I feel like I have posted some valid opions in the last couple of hours but have received very little if any response. It appears that most of you are just into one liners tonight, so I'm going to tuck my tail between my legs and go be with my only friend, Nancy Grace. Hopefully she will have something more important relating to Caylee than where Rob Dick was driving Casey around to all day. I don't know if I'm on a lot of ignore lists here or if it is just a clique? :shrug: :confused:

I'm just reading now Miami. The board moves fast and sometimes people skim. I'm sure your not being ignored. Just watched phil, what a joke, was a waste of space on my dvr.. ng just coming on..probably everything we've heard before.. oh the grund family will be on ng it sounds like. Wonder why they are doing these shows now.

[Texas48]

.......ita! Very good post and ITA with most all. As for me I will not count LE out just yet. As for the trial...Lets wait and see. I do not see even the possibility of anyone coming forward to give details against Casey and the whereabouts of this baby. Her parents and brother are not going to and that,IMO, would be where the answers can be found. Even when they take the stand during the trial they are not going to say anything against their daughter. Cindy will have her answers more than ready and we all know she can tell a whopper of a story. I have always felt bad for LE trying to figure out this mystery and I will feel just as sorry for these people in the jury stand. They are the ones that will have to make sense of the Anthonys...JMO

[tashi]

Ya know? I feel like I have posted some valid opions in the last couple of hours but have received very little if any response. It appears that most of you are just into one liners tonight, so I'm going to tuck my tail between my legs and go be with my only friend, Nancy Grace. Hopefully she will have something more important relating to Caylee than where Rob Dick was driving Casey around to all day. I don't know if I'm on a lot of ignore lists here or if it is just a clique? :shrug: :confused:


You're not on my ignore...I find that when there's little new news to discuss, everyone gets a little cranky and argumentative and I usually lurk. You've brought up some good points but I have not seen the DP show yet...I'm in AZ

[jessjam]

And I wouldn't want to imagine how frustrating this must be for George, Cindy and Lee. God bless them.
:rose:

I would think that George Cindy and Lee would also say God Bless to LE also because they are doing everything they can to help get to the bottom of things with what happened to poor little sweet Caylee. You have to remember they are the ones that are defiently on Caylee side and doing everything to bring justice to her. Don't you agree that the Anthonys need them very much and realize that they are trying to do everything they can for her. First of all the mother Casey does not report her daughter missing and then all she does is lie to them. Don't you think that is so unfair for the LE in this case when all they are worrying about is that sweet little girl and what could of happened to her. I mean what else are the LE supposed to do, look the other way. I don't think so!

[Broderick]

Sorry, but maybe I'm tired, but I just don't understand what you mean by "to attribute to truth that their testing exactly as they had hoped that it would with conclusive results".

I've never heard them say she's "sort of dead". Although they are following leads that come in about possible Caylee sightings, they were quite clear when Sgt. John Allen said, “The information we’ve gotten back from the lab that she was in the trunk of that car and that she is dead is certainly something we take seriously.”

If they didn't follow leads to claims of sighting, the defense would have a field day at the trial. That doesn't mean they believe she's alive though.

JMO.

On a human approach, they can be convinced by forensics that Caylee is no longer alive but hold out hope for a miracle. I doubt that is the case, because I think the investigation team and the district attorney are being cautious not to open doors to reasonable doubt in a criminal trial. This cautiousness comes from making sure that every avenue is explored so no defense attorney has ability to refute the results of forensics on an emotional basis. Jurors are not relegated to facts as one should know, they base decisions by instruction on feeling. This is unsaid about the criminal trial by juror in America. Reasonable doubt can be illustrated and determined by lack of competency in investigation.

[Rebel Rouzer]

:lol:.........

I appreciate your posts and have respected your posts and your respect toward me BUT you just posted today or yesterday about how you hated how others laughed at "One Liners" etc concerning other posters.
You just now did the same thing you complained about. That isn't fair. IMO I still respect your posts but let's not be hypocritical here.

I'm going to watch Nancy Grace and then come back for discussion.

[Snewpy]

Is there a new evening thread?? TIA

[MyrDawn]

On a human approach, they can be convinced by forensics that Caylee is no longer alive but hold out hope for a miracle. I doubt that is the case, because I think the investigation team and the district attorney are being cautious not to open doors to reasonable doubt in a criminal trial. This cautiousness comes from making sure that every avenue is explored so no defense attorney has ability to refute the results of forensics on an emotional basis. Jurors are not relegated to facts as one should know, they based decisions by instruction on feeling. This is unsaid about the criminal trial by juror in America. Reasonable doubt can be illustrated and determined by lack of competency in investigation.


Very well said! :beer:

As has already been mentioned, OJ's criminal trial is the perfect example.

[Broderick]

Oh thanks for re-posting this, I knew that you were investigating that but hadn't heard the outcome.

One more rumor that gets flushed.

Why would the Anthony family financial distress prior to Caylee's disappearance matter? If there were insurance benefits from a missing child policy somehow offered by some insurance company then we could talk, but..... There may be death benefits on an insurance policy available but an insurance company might wait this out for 7 years,,, or more.

[Joan Weiss]

Ya know? I feel like I have posted some valid opions in the last couple of hours but have received very little if any response. It appears that most of you are just into one liners tonight, so I'm going to tuck my tail between my legs and go be with my only friend, Nancy Grace. Hopefully she will have something more important relating to Caylee than where Rob Dick was driving Casey around to all day. I don't know if I'm on a lot of ignore lists here or if it is just a clique? :shrug: :confused:Miami, I have been posting here for two days and no one has responded. In the past, I have gotten answers. Some days just go like that. :shrug: imo

[Velouria]

Margaret Rudin's attorney (who tried to quit in the middle of the trial) paid a lot of money for Margaret to be made up to resemble a human being each day of the trial.

..........:lol:

[MoonHarvest]

:rose: (There are some cliques I think.)

Wasn't it you I was talking to (as well as day2day) about the rumor about Cindy's filing bankruptcy this past April? I found out: NOT TRUE.


Cliques, no...who would of thought.

I've been posting here since March 2003, yet most folks here act as if they don't know me.

[Joan Weiss]

I won't condemn Baez as of yet, although he has made some mistakes which I think come from inexperience and acumen.Those two terms are not harmonious. It has to be either/or, imo.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/acumen

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inexperience

[MyrDawn]

This thread is over 1000 posts. New thread here;
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=341041

[SavannahStar]

I appreciate your posts and have respected your posts and your respect toward me BUT you just posted today or yesterday about how you hated how others laughed at "One Liners" etc concerning other posters.
You just now did the same thing you complained about. That isn't fair. IMO I still respect your posts but let's not be hypocritical here.

I'm going to watch Nancy Grace and then come back for discussion.


Sadly, no one is perfect. :( You can probably count on one hand the number of times you see me do anything like that. With others, it's constant. :seeya:

[Broderick]

Internet tribalism is a fascinating read. Look it up.

[MyrDawn]

Miami, I have been posting here for two days and no one has responded. In the past, I have gotten answers. Some days just go like that. :shrug: imo

Happens to me, too. The other day, I was literally talking to myself. I wondered if everyone had me on ignore. :D

[Broderick]

Those two terms are not harmonious. It has to be either/or, imo.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/acumen

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inexperience

I was clear. Think. lol.

[Freefall]

i followed OJ and Van Dam (sp) on tv

Lacy, Natalee and now Caylee on the boards :(

Susan Polk was my 1st, then Scott Dyleski. A few more since then.