Mon. aft. - 9/22 -- Day 98

[rosejustrose]

I agree SS. This is too much. Why threaten and harass the bank and the attorney? It strikes me as odd that emails and calls from angry people who clearly dislike the Anthony's would be enough to cause the bank and the law firm to close out the account.

I doubt that there is any problem with the funds administered by Bicker & Kelley. If there is a problem with the donations, it seems to me it would be with the money going directly to the family and the cash donations collected. Let the investigation by the State Attorney's Office proceed.

I fail to understand why EquuSearch was brought into this by Kelley.
I feel certain that neither EquuSearch nor anyone representing them did such a thing. It is not believable that anyone would identify themselves as an EquuSearch volunteer and threaten and/or harass the bank and the attorneys. What would be the point in that? With over 1,200 volunteers in the time that ES was in Orlando, there is no way that ES can be held accountable for a couple of individual's bad behavior. This has nothing to do with ES anyway. :confused:

I also fail to understand what the money is being collected for.
It would be nice to see some accountability that the funds are in fact being used to help find Caylee.

I don't doubt that there was not a lot of money in the SunTrust account. It doesn't seem likely that many people would donate to the Anthony's for an invisible search until Casey tells what happened to her child. That is probably never going to happen.

Nevertheless, people are free to spend their own money however they choose. :shrug:


ITA. Also, before I would agree that the email are harrassing and/or threatening, I'd like to see them. Categorizing them as such is subject to the perception of the reader, IMO. It seems to be a lot in this case has been exaggerated, IMO.

[bluwaters]

Reviewing complaints may not be a standard investigation into the fundraising itself. They may be reviewing the harassment and threats as well. Equally, those items could warrant an investigation if either side of the complaints warrant further action. Won't know for awhile.

Good point and I hope that those harassing and threatening are investigated as well. It's inexcusable.

jmho

[Rebel Rouzer]

Just got back and trying to catch up. To my knowledge there is no proof or indication that verbal or physical abuse happened to Caylee.

The only proof or indication of anything is that Casey is responsible for Caylee disappearing and probable death.

IMO

[Ladyhawk]

From what we have heard from others, Caylee was always a bright, happy, outgoing and friendly little girl. Doesn't sound like the profile of an abused child.


The only hint of anything even sounding like it could possibly be abuse is the mention of one photo (maybe 2 photos) sent to LE by a hair stylist that supposedly showed bruising. This was brought out by Yuri in his testimony at the bond hearing. Other than that, I don't recall anything said by anyone that knew Caylee that would indicate she was abused by her family members.

I remember that from the bond hearing. I guess we will hear about it at the trial....I don't remember if it was 1 picture or 2 that he said he had. I'll need to listen to his testimony again.

[GrannyB]

[QUOTE=Reasonable;12166143]

Why is this doing this, I wonder? I'm just hitting the usual "quote" button on the post and then ?

Sorry for the mess.

It happened earlier today to me also. The person you quote knows you are quoting them. We'll just have to live with it until it's fixed.

[AJandTam]

Dr. Phil is worse than useless, IMO.


Yep, agreed. Creepy fraud IMHO.

[Unperson1984]

The original point, however, was that Caylee was a happy child based on how she appeared in photos. That is also pure speculation with no foundation in fact.

Hardly speculation with no foundation.

You're choosing to ignore what we have heard about Caylee from people outside the Anthony family. Several come to mind, Holly, TonE's roommate and both Jesse and his father. All actually knew Caylee, and all said she was an outgoing friendly child.

[redcard]

Yep, agreed. Creepy fraud IMHO.

I don't watch Dr. Phil after he got caught doctoring up the Kalpoe tape.

If there's one reason why the Natalee Holloway boys got away with it (if they really did it), it was the Doctor Phil's and Nancy Grace's of the world.

[OneUp]

The point is there is no basis to say Caylee was an abused child. It's pure speculation with no foundation in fact.Actually, there were people who have stated to LE that Caylee was brought to adult parties with drinking and ( likely, based on every photo of Casey "partying") adult sexual behaviors.
A Hairdresser felt strongly enough about a bruise to take a picture and finally report it ( people often wait to see "if it will happen again", a mistake IMO).
Ricardo stated that Caylee slept in bed with he and Casey, even if all were fully clothed, this is a definite boundary violation considering the short time he was around.
Those are 3 things which indicate abuse released to the public, and which leagally can be considered abuse ( if the bruise was factual). This child appeared to have few friends, so no mommies of friends to notice, and apparently the family itself was fairly closed to outside parties with the exception of Casey's young friends. At their age and experience they aren't the best judge of what is/is not abusive or neglectful, but they did express concerns.
all JMO.
If you would like to see the statements for yourself they are nearly all included in the 400 pages of documents released.

[bluwaters]

You have to remember, we're now in a generation where even the phones have video capture devices on them. Go to a concert nowadays, and you'll see thousands of people recording via cellphones. Go home, and you'll, within hours, see the stuff appear on Youtube. A close family member of mine has nearly 4000 hours of footage of his children.

It costs nothing to take a picture nowadays and save it on your computer, and you can have it output to a digital picture frame or send it to other family members via email.

Casey is 22 years old now. Her generation thinks nothing of making tons of recordings.

I wouldn't find anything suspicious about that. Go look at myspace sometime and you can see everyone doing it.

Let's not forget that Casey had an interest in being a photographer. Naturally she took lots of pix of Caylee. I don't see any problem with that.

jmho

[Reasonable]

Daddysgirl, I am not quoting anyone now. How does one be sure to quote right? I press quote and then the preview shows it right but after hitting submit it's all screwy. I've seen this before and I believe there is a glitch. Has anyone ask admin?

[Tessie]

[QUOTE=ratched;12166103]


See your reply says "quote ratched and quote Daddysgirl but when posted it shows quoting me. I didn't write the post you quoted :confused:

it's been messed up all day...

[crymeariver2006]

I don't see why it doesn't seem logical to you that some TES searchers might send these types of emails. I can easily see them myself, "WE are SEARCHING for Caylee!!! That family is NOT!!! :cuss: What are they DOING with that money? Living off it??????" Sheesh I hear this on all the boards. Haven't you?


And I don't know why it doesn't seem logical to you that I would like to see some proof that searchers from TES sent "threatening and harrassing emails" and that those emails were the cause of one law firm and one financial institution closing a trust account.

I would think you would want the same thing. Proof.

:shrug:

[AJandTam]

I don't watch Dr. Phil after he got caught doctoring up the Kalpoe tape.

If there's one reason why the Natalee Holloway boys got away with it (if they really did it), it was the Doctor Phil's and Nancy Grace's of the world.

Nope, i'm not watching him either. He's a fraud IMHO. I can think of alot he's done that didn't sit well w/me. Not just that one incident. IMHO, he's just trying to cash in on Caylee's disappearance now.

[tashi]

Ok lets say angry outlash/rage at mother...when the nasty deed was done...it must of been an OMG what have I done. Rage actions can take a split second but when the rage has subsided, one can see the outcome of their actions...this case a dead child, thats when the shock comes into play. OMG what have I done, my parents will be devastated, I am devasated...I cant handled this...boom emotional disconnect.


I feel that the emotional disconnect was already present in Casey...

I read a great book called "The Sociopath Next Door" and I've got to tell you that I really thought the profile fit Casey.

BTW, sociopaths are much more common than I ever realized...1 in 25 Americans or 4% possess no conscience and have no ability to feel shame, remorse or guilt...scary

[Rebel Rouzer]

Daddysgirl, I am not quoting anyone now. How does one be sure to quote right? I press quote and then the preview shows it right but after hitting submit it's all screwy. I've seen this before and I believe there is a glitch. Has anyone ask admin?

It's happened a few times and not the fault of the poster. Don't sweat it. If HE wishes to keep blaming posters then that's on him. It's been happening off and on with the new board. It's not purposeful on the part of the poster. IMO

[Bird]

Just for whatever it's worth, there's an article on CNN's webpage about a dog digging up a child's foot in Alabama. I realize it's not Florida, but it's not far away. Here's the link:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/22/dog.foot.ap/index.html

[redcard]

But I thought I heard Nancy say that she MUST have done it??
I guess she must have been mistaken.:rolleyes:

*grins*

Ask Nancy about Richard Reid and the Duke Boys sometime.

I'm surprised nobody made a big deal out of Reid being witch-hunted and dying in jail.

[rosejustrose]

Ok lets say angry outlash/rage at mother...when the nasty deed was done...it must of been an OMG what have I done. Rage actions can take a split second but when the rage has subsided, one can see the outcome of their actions...this case a dead child, thats when the shock comes into play. OMG what have I done, my parents will be devastated, I am devasated...I cant handled this...boom emotional disconnect.

I agree. I think Casey had an emotionally charged burst of rage and took it out on Caylee. Once she realized what she had done she diconnected herself from the fact that the broken, dead body was her child and thought more of it as a "toy" that had served its purpose. Once she disposed of Caylee she became good-time Casey again less 35pounds. JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Hardly speculation with no foundation.

You're choosing to ignore what we have heard about Caylee from people outside the Anthony family. Several come to mind, Holly, TonE's roommate and both Jesse and his father. All actually knew Caylee, and all said she was an outgoing friendly child.

Thank you for that reminder. That is TRUE.

[luvinlife]

[QUOTE=ratched;12166159]

It happened earlier today to me also. The person you quote knows you are quoting them. We'll just have to live with it until it's fixed.
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I am not sure , but I think this may happen if you type and not enough space between the last post and your current reply. Just space a line or two and it should help. It will continue down the line with each additional post if you keep quoting it.

[dixielover]

Ahhhh....I think it's a cute photo :) Caylee probably wasn't used to seeing GPP at the nursing home, and maybe the surroundings made her a bit uncomfortable. My son was 3 when he saw his GGM in a nursing home, and the pictures look similar. GGM wasn't "all there" and said some off the wall stuff - thus confusing my little one. She has since passed - bless her heart.

Just my .02

my child is 16 and she still looks that way when she visits my mom in nh-she hates the smell, imo

[Rebel Rouzer]

Wow, the quote function is toasted. I looked back on my "bad quotes", and if you look at the header AFTER you hit "quote" you'll see there are 2 posters at the top. Cut out the wrong posters name until it is fixed. Clear as mud?

Yep clear as mud lol :D

[rosejustrose]

Can I say, I can't stand Dr. Phil and wonder what he thinks he is going to do w/this situation now, other than make it even more of a crazy mess. He makes me sick.

Maybe he'll send in an uncover PI with a camera and tape recorder to get the truth, oh wait, he tried and failed with that one before. My bad:punch:

[redcard]

Dont you think the Suntrust Bank already knew how outraged the public was against the A family when they opened this trust for Lee but they opened it anyhow. IMO this goes deeper than they tell us.

Uhh..

Banks can't deny trusts to people who have filled out the proper paperwork and gone through the right steps. That'd be against the law.

[SavannahStar]

Both you and savannah are right. But I don't think the fund would be shut down based on 2 emails from TES volunteers. Don't you both think there has to be more to this story

I don't have that article in front of me, but I don't think it said two emails.....they had receive MANY emails, and some from TWO TES people. I'm trying to remember....... The TES emails were just given as an example. Personally I bet they got A LOT from various message board posters. (And I'm not pointing fingers or even necessarily talking about this board in particular. I just know the hatred I've seen for the Anthonys and anger over that fund.)

[shelbar53]

I feel that the emotional disconnect was already present in Casey...

I read a great book called "The Sociopath Next Door" and I've got to tell you that I really thought the profile fit Casey.

BTW, sociopaths are much more common than I ever realized...1 in 25 Americans or 4% possess no conscience and have no ability to feel shame, remorse or guilt...scary

I guess I have a hard time trying to understand the sociopath behaviors. To not feel guilt, remorse or shame. Can they feel joy and happiness and all the good feelings? or do they NOT feel anything?

[bluwaters]

Or not.

Doesn't matter what provoked the investigation.

What matters will be the end result of said investigation.

I personally look forward to that end result. :)

I wonder if the Anthonys & their lawyers look forward to it as well.
Hi Shark! :seeya:
I would think that both the Anthony's and their attorneys look forward to being cleared.
If the investigation shows that money is being handled properly then their credibility will rise.
If the report comes out great and I can see and understand just how donations are helping to search for Caylee then who knows?
I might just donate to the fund myself.:)
To date, I have not sent a penny into the fund because I just don't feel good about it. I would like to see that my reservations are unfounded.
This investigation could end up really helping the Anthony's out.

jmho

[OneUp]

Hardly speculation with no foundation.

You're choosing to ignore what we have heard about Caylee from people outside the Anthony family. Several come to mind, Holly, TonE's roommate and both Jesse and his father. All actually knew Caylee, and all said she was an outgoing friendly child.Actually, Rev. Grund should be removed from that list, he expresses concerns about the entire family on his Blog. I don't think he wold step up and say that Caylee had a happy or ideal homelife. You could email him and ask his opinion if what he says in his blogging does not suffice. He returned my email immediately. Lovely man who knows that being a good person is an ongoing battle...not perfect, but good IMO.

[Ionmhainn]

Your comment re seeing them with a "jaundiced eye".......how true! Excellent point!

Thanks. I do think predisposition comes into play here. imo

[rosejustrose]

Really, says who that abused children cannot be bright, happy, outgoing, and friendly?...All of those terms describe me as a child, I was the darling of neighbors, friends, teachers, and strangers.
If you want something to keep you awake at night, PM me and I'll list off a few of the horrors I suffered as a child...years of sadistic Sexual abuse, verbal harassment, neglect of nutrition and medical needs, physical violence at the hands of every person in my househld except my sister who is 7 years younger. When I first read the stories of other abused children like Dave Pelzer ( A child called "IT.") I wasn't repelled...I felt like I had finally found friends who would understand me
BTW, I've met Dave, he is a sweet man, but it is clear he carries such a sadness with him, he speaks from the heart. I first met him as a speaker at a benefit for children in foster care....his words touched us all and he convinced several of my own kids to continue to strive to survive and break the hold abuse had over their lives. They learned from him that the abuse truely stops when you take control of your own life and put it to good use. He understands that you are a victim until you refuse to be a victim by continuing to allow the damage to destroy your life.

Dave's website:
http://www.davepelzer.com/

For you, a survivor:rose:

[beckyj]

The hairdresser didn't report anything until Caylee was already missing. That shows just how concerned she really was. Seems to me her concern was injecting herself into this case.
imo

Unfortunately I think that type of thing happens a lot. People are afraid to get involved because it might not be abuse. Hinesight is 20/20.

[FoxySly]

Yep. And she was also very invested in keeping up appearances, which is part of the reason there's so much footage of Caylee.

I'm confident Cindy was directing a lot of action from behind her camera.

As I replied to you yesterday ITA with you about how the anthony's 'try' to keep up with appearances. Even now they pathetically try in vain.

As a badly abused Child myself years ago my sociologist dared for anyone to come up with a photo of me smiling. None could be found though they tried their dangest to prove it wrong they couldn't.

Still, my sociologist told me that mine was a most unusually case and that abused Children most always do smile for the camera trying so very hard to please the abuser.

I am not saying precious Caylee was abused as fact although I surely believe she was.

As for susan smith's precious Sons, other than hearing their parent argue & fighting & feeling the stress they were surely under, I don't think they were hit, beat or even verbally abused before susan freaked out & did her dreadful act.

The one thing that no one seems to have an answer for is are there any photos of Caylee playing with other Children her age???

Raising my Son was such a great joy and he seemed to change so fast & something was going on that I honestly have photos for most every single week of his life, the park, school events, zoos, museums, Children's parties, his parties, with his care takers, one with him sitting on the lap of the owner of one of his day care while I worked when he was age 2 1/2 ect... lots of other Children in them.

But was Caylee ever even around Children to play with her own age???

Sly

[Bird]

Whoa, you guys are moving fast today! In case no one saw it, I'm reposting a link about a dog that dug up a child's foot in Alabama, a state away.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/22/dog.foot.ap/index.html

[penguinlady]

I'm honestly not advocating that Caylee was abused prior to her death. My whole point is that how she appeared in pictures is not the barometer for her life. You can't look at the pictures and assume that her life was perfect or that she was always happy, always comfortable, never worried or anxious or scared. I don't for a second believe life was a bowl of cherries inside the Anthony home and then suddenly one day, Caylee disappeared. Whether or not she was physically abused is really not what I've been discussing, and in fact, I said several posts ago that it's likely she was not. There's a lot of room between 24/7 happiness and physical abuse.

Children who are outgoing and friendly can also be scared, anxious and troubled. Appearances are just that. Appearances. Even in toddlers.

I totally agree with this!

:rose: for Caylee

K

[joolz]

I guess I have a hard time trying to understand the sociopath behaviors. To not feel guilt, remorse or shame. Can they feel joy and happiness and all the good feelings? or do they NOT feel anything?

This is OT to keep the thread from going more OT. There is a thread at Open Court on the subject of sociopaths with a lot of discussion and definition. IMO Casey displays a lot of the traits, and no, I don't believe that they do experience joy and happiness, at least not as most of us would. JMO.

[trt]

The hairdresser didn't report anything until Caylee was already missing. That shows just how concerned she really was. Seems to me her concern was injecting herself into this case.
imo

So the picture that she took? Was that also out of concern for injecting herself into this case (which wasn't a *case* when she took the picture). JMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

Just for whatever it's worth, there's an article on CNN's webpage about a dog digging up a child's foot in Alabama. I realize it's not Florida, but it's not far away. Here's the link:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/22/dog.foot.ap/index.html

It was already posted and yes there is a long distance IMO

I think any missing child in the state of Alabama may be the owner of the foot.
By now Caylee's foot or feet would be more or less bones if not complete bones. With the amount of decomposition smell found in the trunk. It's very unlikely this belongs to little Caylee.

I'm sure LE in Alabama are looking into this and trying to match up missing children and DNA to this foot.

UHHGG I feel horrible just talking about a little child and their remains like this. I can't imagine being a CSI or Forensic specialist or medical examinor. :(

[trich]

It HAS been randomly doing this all day. What part of this do you not understand? Please do not single out a specific poster.



Where's Caylee?



it happened to a post someone made that was suppose to have quoted me and it wasn't something I posted
Go figure.

[bluwaters]

The point is there is no basis to say Caylee was an abused child. It's pure speculation with no foundation in fact.
Other than the pesky fact that she is missing and presumed dead, her mother was with her last, and her mother tells one absurd lie after another and does not help look for her. She was abused to the worst outcome sometime in mid-June.

[OneUp]

I don't have that article in front of me, but I don't think it said two emails.....they had receive MANY emails, and some from TWO TES people. I'm trying to remember....... The TES emails were just given as an example. Personally I bet they got A LOT from various message board posters. (And I'm not pointing fingers or even necessarily talking about this board in particular. I just know the hatred I've seen for the Anthonys and anger over that fund.)Speaking for myself, my letter went directly to the State level..I didn't diddle around with the bank, and i sure wasn't going to waste my time with any attorney involved with the Anthony family.
As I have said, this will either clear them totally or prove wrongdoing. Whichever outcome will be the best one as it will be properly looked into and proven as fact, not rumor. No matter which way you see things, this investigation should be a positive thing.
JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Wow, the quote function is toasted. I looked back on my "bad quotes", and if you look at the header AFTER you hit "quote" you'll see there are 2 posters at the top. Cut out the wrong posters name until it is fixed. Clear as mud?

I posted those instructions twice now, yesterday and today. Nobody listens. :(

[SavannahStar]

Speaking for myself, my letter went directly to the State level..I didn't diddle around with the bank, and i sure wasn't going to waste my time with any attorney involved with the Anthony family.
As I have said, this will either clear them totally or prove wrongdoing. Whichever outcome will be the best one as it will be properly looked into and proven as fact, not rumor. No matter which way you see things, this investigation should be a positive thing.
JMO.

I'm not sure the attorney mentioned in the article is an "attorney involved with the Anthony family." I could be wrong, I got the impression it was the bank's attorney.

I do agree with your second paragraph.

I also wonder why anyone would write a letter (or email) inquiring about this fund if they did not personally contribute.

[beckyj]

Been out all day. Has anybody heard anything about the PC TES was supposed to do today?

[Rebel Rouzer]

Then my job here is done! :patriot: :D


lol Your job may be done but your posting and posting style better not be done. I enjoy reading your posts. Whether others do or not.

[AJandTam]

Maybe he'll send in an uncover PI with a camera and tape recorder to get the truth, oh wait, he tried and failed with that one before. My bad:punch:

:lol: Yucky man.

[summer4meplz]

Daddysgirl, I am not quoting anyone now. How does one be sure to quote right? I press quote and then the preview shows it right but after hitting submit it's all screwy. I've seen this before and I believe there is a glitch. Has anyone ask admin?

quote check.....that happened to me but it ended up on the oj board....so...i am very careful to space several spaces after the quote...that might help...

[solar]

Not anwsering for SW but I think her point was the amount of photos and video footage taken of Caylee. It seems to be an extraordinary amount, even for a first baby/grandchild. The camera or vid just seemed to be very handy. Like maybe they were overcompensating to try and make things appear honky dorey. JMO.


I disagree. I have a new grandson now five months old and between my daughter and I the camera or video is not far away.

I don't believe I am overcompensating, I just think that I am a very proud grandma who doesn't want to miss a thing. I was like that with my one and only daughter as well.

solar

[Reasonable]

yes Maybso, you are correct whoever you are :confused:

Off to talk to Admin. re: quotes getting screwed up.

[AJandTam]

:seeya: all, gotta go.

[OneUp]

Unfortunately I think that type of thing happens a lot. People are afraid to get involved because it might not be abuse. Hinesight is 20/20.You are correct beckyj, it happens alot. People are afraid to "cause trouble" or worry about being wrong and hesitate to report. Most reports are of second or third occurences when the person reporting just couldn't explain the abuse away to themselves any longer. I have investigated and taken statements from witnesses who just didn't want to be wrong because they are of the impression that Social Services will swoop in w/o proof and drag a child from a home. That has happened, but very, very infrequently and only when the abuse is severe or obviously likely to escalate, in my experience. Far more often, SServices must wait for multiple reports and findings to take action.
JMO.

[Unperson1984]

I'm honestly not advocating that Caylee was abused prior to her death. My whole point is that how she appeared in pictures is not the barometer for her life. You can't look at the pictures and assume that her life was perfect or that she was always happy, always comfortable, never worried or anxious or scared. I don't for a second believe life was a bowl of cherries inside the Anthony home and then suddenly one day, Caylee disappeared. Whether or not she was physically abused is really not what I've been discussing, and in fact, I said several posts ago that it's likely she was not. There's a lot of room between 24/7 happiness and physical abuse.

Children who are outgoing and friendly can also be scared, anxious and troubled. Appearances are just that. Appearances. Even in toddlers.

I think it's safe to say no human being is happy and comfortable all the time.

My point is that it's rather presumptive for strangers to conclude Caylee was an abused child when those who knew her and actually spent time with her saw nothing amiss.

[luvinlife]

I'm not sure the attorney mentioned in the article is an "attorney involved with the Anthony family." I could be wrong, I got the impression it was the bank's attorney.

I do agree with your second paragraph.

I also wonder why anyone would write a letter (or email) inquiring about this fund if they did not personally contribute.



It is the attorney that set up the trust fund for the article. He is a friend of the Anthony's.

I agree with your last stmt.

[rosejustrose]

To One Up:

I am so sorry what you went through and bless your courage for posting here. Abuse is a horrible, horrible thing. I think every parent should sign a contract when being a parent:

Do no harm, break no spirit.

Bless you -


I agree. However, there are parents who will find a loophole in the contract:mad:

[shelbar53]

This is OT to keep the thread from going more OT. There is a thread at Open Court on the subject of sociopaths with a lot of discussion and definition. IMO Casey displays a lot of the traits, and no, I don't believe that they do experience joy and happiness, at least not as most of us would. JMO.
OT? just about every other post is OT. I skip half of the comments on here. this is a discussion board and discussing behaviors is part of trying to figure out why casey behaved the way she did. Saying goodbye and and "funny oneliners" is OT. just dont know why I was singled out for my comment when there are so many OT comments.

[hamebone]

Just for whatever it's worth, there's an article on CNN's webpage about a dog digging up a child's foot in Alabama. I realize it's not Florida, but it's not far away. Here's the link:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/22/dog.foot.ap/index.html


It not that close to Orlando; but is close to me, about 80 miles or so...I havent heard of any missing chidren around here.

[Unperson1984]

Other than the pesky fact that she is missing and presumed dead, her mother was with her last, and her mother tells one absurd lie after another and does not help look for her. She was abused to the worst outcome sometime in mid-June.

In all fairness bluwaters, this started as a discussion about emotional abuse at the Anthony's home. It is to that subject I responded.

[tiny paw-prints]

If you use NG as your source of truth for this case, that could prove to be your biggest deterrent from the truth.

If you had your way, we could use your posts as our ONLY source of truth.

Fortunately, people have a mind of their own! Thank you!

[tashi]

I guess I have a hard time trying to understand the sociopath behaviors. To not feel guilt, remorse or shame. Can they feel joy and happiness and all the good feelings? or do they NOT feel anything?


It's really hard for those of us with a conscience to understand what it must be like to operate with no limiting sense of concern for the well being of friends or family members...it's too unbelievable.

But for those who don't have a conscience, they are like ice people, with no emotional attachments to other people. They do what they want for their own personal gain and I'm sure they enjoy the sport of winning and profiting off the backs of others. They constantly lie and manipulate to get what they want but it is an empty existence.

The book is really good and easy to read if you want to learn more. It was certainly eye opening to me.

[st777jo]

What exactly are you saying?


Money talks, and bull **** walks. jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

She didn't get involved because no abuse occured. End of story.

During the bond hearing Yuri Melich mentioned that they were looking into reports from witnesses, one who provided a picture, about abuse of Caylee.

There are different kinds of abuse and even tho Caylee appears to me to have been a happy child I firmly believe she was in a hostile environment living in the anthony home, subjected to foul language fights between the adults.

[Unperson1984]

Casey's friends felt the same about Casey. They saw nothing amiss.

Which leads me to believe whatever happened to Caylee was sudden and quick. And I have no doubt whatever happened to her is Casey's sole responsibility.

JMO

[Tessie]

I am not understanding this "hate fest" thing.

[bluwaters]

I don't have that article in front of me, but I don't think it said two emails.....they had receive MANY emails, and some from TWO TES people. I'm trying to remember....... The TES emails were just given as an example. Personally I bet they got A LOT from various message board posters. (And I'm not pointing fingers or even necessarily talking about this board in particular. I just know the hatred I've seen for the Anthonys and anger over that fund.)

Caylee Anthony Trust Fund Shut Down
http://www.wesh.com/news/17523471/detail.html

Kelley said he believes the harassing e-mails came from two people who volunteered with Equusearch.

WESH is the only outlet I've seen that brings up EquuSearch.
I really hadn't noticed much comment on the fund itself, but "the board which must not be named" has been all over it. They even got 15 minutes of fame for it.

I think the investigation is the best possible way to put all the speculation to rest.

jmho

[trich]

So thats why I say... there's more to it than what they tell us



but those that created the trust can close the account out and take the money.
I would like to know where the money is now.

[Regina.Lampert]

The two subjects are very much intertwined. What was going on inside the family, and what happened to Caylee. They're intertwined.

ITA with you.

[hamebone]

It shouldn't cost anything to clear yourself if you are innocent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Duke_University_lacrosse_case


Duke University lacrosse case

[Loves2Read]

The only hint of anything even sounding like it could possibly be abuse is the mention of one photo (maybe 2 photos) sent to LE by a hair stylist that supposedly showed bruising. This was brought out by Yuri in his testimony at the bond hearing. Other than that, I don't recall anything said by anyone that knew Caylee that would indicate she was abused by her family members.

The point is there is no basis to say Caylee was an abused child. It's pure speculation with no foundation in fact.

Other than the pesky fact that she is missing and presumed dead, her mother was with her last, and her mother tells one absurd lie after another and does not help look for her. She was abused to the worst outcome sometime in mid-June.

bluwaters if you add in what emanon said in her quote answer to unperson a reasonable person would (given those facts) think there was some foundation for the belief that a certain degree of abuse was possible.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I think it's safe to say no human being is happy and comfortable all the time.

My point is that it's rather presumptive for strangers to conclude Caylee was an abused child when those who knew her and actually spent time with her saw nothing amiss.

Hi Unperson. I think that some are considering the fact that people have come forward and stated that Casey took Caylee to adult parties and the fact someone come forward and said Caylee looked like she had bruises or black eye to come to an opinion that Caylee was abused in some aspects which lead them to believe she may have been abused in other ways.

I myself have tried not to get involved with that discussion because we don't have enough to verify or conclude there was any abuse physically. OTHER than the information reported about taking Caylee to adult parties and the information about Caylee and decomposing human remains or DNA in the trunk.

MY opinion is that I believe Casey is responsible for the disappearence and the death of Caylee. I feel from the other information reported that Casey was an irresponsible mother taking her child to parties. As far as being physically abused or verbally abused. prior to her disappearence. I don't believe there is enough information to conclude that happened. Just my opinion and could be wrong. I do try and stick with the facts and information given to make my opinion and conclusions about this case and any part surrounding the case. Such as the grandparents and their actions, comments and behavior.

Hope i don't upset anyone with my opinion concerning abuse verbal or physical. :chicken:

[rosejustrose]

I am not understanding this "hate fest" thing.

If you don't 100% support the Anthony family or question their actions and motives, you're engaging in a hate fest. :rolleyes: JMO.

[tashi]

This is OT to keep the thread from going more OT. There is a thread at Open Court on the subject of sociopaths with a lot of discussion and definition. IMO Casey displays a lot of the traits, and no, I don't believe that they do experience joy and happiness, at least not as most of us would. JMO.


Sorry, I thought I would explain to Shelbar why I thought Casey fit the scociopathic profile...

[Albini]

Caylee was not an abused child (IMO)- my son is almost 2 and sometimes he looks sad in pictures when he doesn't smile. Look at all her videos - she was a normal happy 2 1/2 year old. Sorry had to come in from lurking and give my feedback/ opinion based on my experience with a toddler.

Your experience with 1 child.

I have worked with hundreds. And yet I would never say for 100% certain that I child I did not know personally was not being abused.

Not saying she was, just saying that your experince with your child is just that..your expereince with your child.

[Regina.Lampert]

If you had your way, we could use your posts as our ONLY source of truth.

Fortunately, people have a mind of their own! Thank you!


:patriot: !!!!!

[GrannyB]

Yup. Nothing screams healthy childhood like the fact you never made it to age three, huh?


Yep never made it to age 3 not because of a stranger but because of a member of your own screwed up family. :cuss:

[marshmallow]

Oh really.

Well stay on topic then. :rolleyes:

Drugging, killing, burying your child and lying about it, IS abuse. :no:



I didn't realize they had proven Casey drugged Caylee.

[redcard]

Right you are. Do you think the state picked up the tab for the defendant's tab to fight the sham indictments?

I can answer that question for you.

No. They did not.

Criminal cases are not like civil cases. If the state loses, they don't have to pay your attorney's fees.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I am not understanding this "hate fest" thing.

Just more drivel to create tension and drama from certain people. There is no hate-fest. Some people like to use certain words to create hostile responses and atmosphere. IMO

[day2day]

Caylee Anthony Trust Fund Shut Down
http://www.wesh.com/news/17523471/detail.html



WESH is the only outlet I've seen that brings up EquuSearch.
I really hadn't noticed much comment on the fund itself, but "the board which must not be named" has been all over it. They even got 15 minutes of fame for it.

I think the investigation is the best possible way to put all the speculation to rest.

jmho

IMHO-they are raising money to SEARCH for Caylee...WHEN are they going to start? They have collected money in parking lots, from paypal, gift cards, cash and checks to their home...how is ANYONE ever going to account for all of it?
:shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

Caylee Anthony Trust Fund Shut Down
http://www.wesh.com/news/17523471/detail.html



WESH is the only outlet I've seen that brings up EquuSearch.
I really hadn't noticed much comment on the fund itself, but "the board which must not be named" has been all over it. They even got 15 minutes of fame for it.

I think the investigation is the best possible way to put all the speculation to rest.

jmho

That was my question. Who or What led him to believe any of the e-mails came from TES searchers? Why are they singled out?

IF the attorney is a friend of the Anthonys (IF and as posted upthread), that might lead one to conclude the source of that information.

[GrannyB]

I am not understanding this "hate fest" thing.


Apparently if you don't feel sympathy for the Anthony's and do not approve of their words and action you are a hater. That logic sounds as messed up as the Anthony family to me. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion:confused:

[Tessie]

If you don't 100% support the Anthony family or question their actions and motives, you're engaging in a hate fest. :rolleyes: JMO.


Thank you for answering. I believe you are right. I just have a very difficult time relating this to a sweet baby that is still missing.

It's not about support for the anthony's. They have had 98 days to come forward and let this baby be put to rest.

I have to say imo that there must be a lot of hate in some of these posters lives to keep spitting this venom out.

[saydeezmom]

Its absolutley disgusting.
:mad:


What I think is "ABSOLUTELY" disgusting is a so called mother, who could give a rat's behind about the safety of her child. That's disgusting.

[Albini]

It's the poster - Reasonable - they are quoting wrong, and then it just continues with each further quote.

Actaully it has been happening all day with several posters.

Its interesting how you can defend the Anthonys so staunchly, but throw a fellow poster under the bus the way you do.

Its compassion for the Anthonys only???

[GrannyB]

I guess it must have gotten results.
Asking the trash to clear out sure didn't prove effective, did it?


The trash outside the house or inside the house? :confused:

[crymeariver2006]

So Yuri mentioned it. That isn't proof of anything as far as I'm concerned.


Well he was under oath when he said it.

:shrug:

[Rebel Rouzer]

Actaully it has been happening all day with several posters.

Its interesting how you can defend the Anthonys so staunchly, but throw a fellow poster under the bus the way you do.

Its compassion for the Anthonys only???

Hi Albini :seeya: You are correct on all counts with this post

[joolz]

Sorry, I thought I would explain to Shelbar why I thought Casey fit the scociopathic profile...

:seeya: No problem tashi. It is a fascinating subject, isn't it?

[day2day]

Well he was under oath when he said it.

:shrug:

Dont you understand crymeariver-
some here think the Anthony's are good
LE -evil....

go figure...:shrug:

[bluwaters]

I'm not sure the attorney mentioned in the article is an "attorney involved with the Anthony family." I could be wrong, I got the impression it was the bank's attorney.

I do agree with your second paragraph.

I also wonder why anyone would write a letter (or email) inquiring about this fund if they did not personally contribute.
It's Paul Kelley, the attorney who offered in the very beginning to be a spokesperson for the family. He had done some legal work for George in the past and wanted to help the family out. He knew them all, including Caylee. He seemed to be a really nice, low key, local kind of guy. I always thought the family should have taken him up on his offer. Instead, they got a spokesman who is LA and hasn't had one thing helpful or of substance to say.

jmho

Raw Video: Civil attorney says he's helping to support Anthony family
http://www.wftv.com/video/16907892/index.html
search for Paul Kelley, over 30 days old
the video was added on 8/6/08

[luvinlife]

That was my question. Who or What led him to believe any of the e-mails came from TES searchers? Why are they singled out?

IF the attorney is a friend of the Anthonys (IF and as posted upthread), that might lead one to conclude the source of that information.



Some of the people that sent complaints were from the board that we can't mention. They did search with TES, they are not a part of TES. While I did not see the content of what they sent in, I am assuming that they stated they searched and mentioned TES. They are the ones that spearheaded this campaign re the trust fund at that site.This is jmo.

There is a video in the links in reguards to the lawyer and his relationship with the Anthony's both professional and friendly. "Known them for years. It was from early on if you are interested.

[OneUp]

Sorry folks, this is getting repititous. The people who cry for facts refuse to acknowledge them when asked, post after post agreeing that no definite determination can be amde about possible abuse/neglect of caylee is being ignored, and anyone issueing a single reservation about tha Anthony's is a Hater.:rolleyes:
It really gets old....don't forget the newest complaint against other posters, that those who take action are insinuating themmselves on to case for the purpose of getting attention of feeling important. God knows we should always ignore the plight of others and wrongdoing unless it directly and personally affects us. Why would you want to get involved in doing what is right if there's nothing in it for you?
Sad that so many here must feel that way, sad that they have nothing to add other than criticism of other posters, and saddest of all Caylee is still missing and not one soul has been able to find her not one family member has offered anything to help her since the July 15th 911 calls.
It is all to sad for me, so bye for now people. BBL when rational heads may prevail.
JMO

[GrannyB]

Doesnt it tho? I mean its like some want to force their ways of thinking on others by calling people haters.


It makes me wonder if some of the Anthony's are posting here. If they are too bad they won't just come out of hiding and answer some of our questions. Who knows, we might change our minds.

[trich]

IMO if someone thought Caylee had been abused why did they not report that.
Anyone who thinks a child is being abused and does nothing about it should be ashamed of themselves.

[Unperson1984]

Hi Unperson. I think that some are considering the fact that people have come forward and stated that Casey took Caylee to adult parties and the fact someone come forward and said Caylee looked like she had bruises or black eye to come to an opinion that Caylee was abused in some aspects which lead them to believe she may have been abused in other ways.

I myself have tried not to get involved with that discussion because we don't have enough to verify or conclude there was any abuse physically. OTHER than the information reported about taking Caylee to adult parties and the information about Caylee and decomposing human remains or DNA in the trunk.

MY opinion is that I believe Casey is responsible for the disappearence and the death of Caylee. I feel from the other information reported that Casey was an irresponsible mother taking her child to parties. As far as being physically abused or verbally abused. prior to her disappearence. I don't believe there is enough information to conclude that happened. Just my opinion and could be wrong. I do try and stick with the facts and information given to make my opinion and conclusions about this case and any part surrounding the case. Such as the grandparents and their actions, comments and behavior.

Hope i don't upset anyone with my opinion concerning abuse verbal or physical. :chicken:

:seeya:

You know I believe Casey is responsible for whatever has happened to Caylee, and certainly murder is the ultimate physical abuse, but there is a difference between physical and emotional abuse. I give more weight to what the people who knew Caylee have said, rather than to unfounded speculation from strangers.

As far as seeing bruises on Caylee, show me an almost three-year-old toddler who doesn’t get bruises.

[desmom]

Unfortunately I think that type of thing happens a lot. People are afraid to get involved because it might not be abuse. Hinesight is 20/20.

IMO, after Caylee was reported missing, anyone that knows her would rack their brains trying to remember the last time they saw Caylee. These 2 witnesses may have had an OMG moment when they remembered the bruises even if they thought nothing of the bruises when they saw her initially.

[redcard]

Dont you understand crymeariver-
some here think the Anthony's are good
LE -evil....

go figure...:shrug:

I don't think LE is evil.

I just don't think they have anything, and that leaking stuff to the press to rile up people is not a good enough resolution in my book.

I'd like to see them do their jobs, which, is what I hope they're doing right now instead of talking to the press. I'd like to see bills of indictment and charges of murder brought before the end of the year. I'd like to see a confession, and for Caylee to be given a proper service.

But, I just don't think that LE has this case, and I don't think they will.

[GrannyB]

You conveniently use that excuse only for Yuri, but when George & Cindy were also under oath, you claim that they lied.

Got to love that selective application. :lol:

Do you think the Anthony's have lied?

[Rebel Rouzer]

Hi Tessie :seeya:

Are you familiar with the Ignore feature on this board? It's a venom antidote, of sorts. I love mine so much I'm thinking of marrying it. :D


Lmao SayWhat? :lol: you are too funny. I think my S/O would get jealous if I married the IGNORE button.

[Albini]

If anybody suspected abuse, why wasn't the child taken to a child psychologist to evaluate her?
I have seen cases where the experts can create abuse in the child's mind where none exists.
:shrug:

Okay, I may have worded this wrongly.

I never said she was being abused or said that I heard anyone say she was.

I said that when we broadly say "That child isnt being abused b/c they act just like my child" we may be putting kids at risk.

I work with kids deemed at risk, and I have strong feelings about people saying a child is or isnt being abused based on photos only.

I have seen 3 infants bured in 1 year. SO please excuse me if I sound passionate about this.

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[crymeariver2006]

You conveniently use that excuse only for Yuri, but when George & Cindy were also under oath, you claim that they lied.

Got to love that selective application. :lol:


What did I claim they lied about under oath?

This oath thing must kinda hit close to home with you.

:shrug:

[GrannyB]

:seeya:

You know I believe Casey is responsible for whatever has happened to Caylee, and certainly murder is the ultimate physical abuse, but there is a difference between physical and emotional abuse. I give more weight to what the people who knew Caylee have said, rather than to unfounded speculation from strangers.

As far as seeing bruises on Caylee, show me an almost three-year-old toddler who doesn’t get bruises.

I wonder why you and most others think Casey is the one responsible and not Cindy or even George. I don't see anything that points to Casey and more than the others? I really would like to know.

[Tessie]

Hi Tessie :seeya:

Are you familiar with the Ignore feature on this board? It's a venom antidote, of sorts. I love mine so much I'm thinking of marrying it. :D

Thank you for the remind. I guess I make a decision to "Bless their hearts" southern style or start using it.

I do appreciate all the posters who have replied and most of those who look at things differently then I.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Sorry folks, this is getting repititous. The people who cry for facts refuse to acknowledge them when asked, post after post agreeing that no definite determination can be amde about possible abuse/neglect of caylee is being ignored, and anyone issueing a single reservation about tha Anthony's is a Hater.:rolleyes:
It really gets old....don't forget the newest complaint against other posters, that those who take action are insinuating themmselves on to case for the purpose of getting attention of feeling important. God knows we should always ignore the plight of others and wrongdoing unless it directly and personally affects us. Why would you want to get involved in doing what is right if there's nothing in it for you?
Sad that so many here must feel that way, sad that they have nothing to add other than criticism of other posters, and saddest of all Caylee is still missing and not one soul has been able to find her not one family member has offered anything to help her since the July 15th 911 calls.
It is all to sad for me, so bye for now people. BBL when rational heads may prevail.
JMO

Oneup. You do make some valid points. Please don't go. I enjoy your posts and think you are very intelligent and bring about great discussions with your view points. :seeya:

[trich]

Do you think the Anthony's have lied?



Considering that alot of their lies have been recorded I think it it obvious they have lied.

[SavannahStar]

Which leads me to believe whatever happened to Caylee was sudden and quick. And I have no doubt whatever happened to her is Casey's sole responsibility.

JMO


That is EXACTLY what I think.

[redcard]

Sorry folks, this is getting repititous. The people who cry for facts refuse to acknowledge them when asked,

The only fact that matters is that with all this supposed evidence, we do not even have a charge of manslaughter.

So it draws, at least for me, doubt to whether or not the evidence really exists. Remember, in the Duke case, they claimed they had "physical and insurmountable evidence of rape from a particular group of individuals on the team."

If there is decomp in the car, a twisting and changing story, cholorform every where, neglect on behalf of Casey, multiple lies regarding the case, cadaver dog hits on the car and on the property, blood evidence, etc.. there MUST be enough to sustain a charge of manslaughter, at the very least.. and then that charge can be upgraded if necessary.

But right now, where are the charges? Why hasn't this case gone to a grand jury yet?

Don't give me "The police are doing their jobs." This case has gone cold. The evidence we were hearing about weeks ago is just not bearing any fruit. It's time we start accepting that some very serious deals are going to start coming out soon, or that she might , if she did it, get away with this one.

[tiny paw-prints]

So Yuri mentioned it. That isn't proof of anything as far as I'm concerned.

As far as you're concerned??

You're obviously Not concerned about this child.

It was Yuri Melich's duty to mention about IT during the bond hearing! His duty to mention it supports the official child neglect charges.

There's possible evidence to support the propensity of child abuse. As long as there's an ongoing investigation of CHILD NEGLECT and DISAPPEARANCE OF CHILD. More than likely Melich had some kind of inclination with enough proof (at that time) to support a possible allegation of child abuse.

The foul death odor, death of child? Maybe?

Melich's failure to mention it would have been catastrophic to the official child neglect charges and it's ongoing investigation into the disappearance of the child!!!

Have you NOT read the sworn statements by various witnesses that support the possible allegations of child neglect and child abuse, including several photographs of Caylee that depict the suspicion of physical child abuse? There are several photos!!! Several sworn statements!!!

Why delete 200+ photos of your child from your computer? If the child is truly missing, a grieving, logical, and reasonable parent would have UPLOADED an additional 200+ photos of the missing child!!!

The three cadaver dogs, from 3 different jurisdictions, each hit on the inside of trunk--on the right side.

[crymeariver2006]

It makes me wonder if some of the Anthony's are posting here. If they are too bad they won't just come out of hiding and answer some of our questions. Who knows, we might change our minds.

Let's not go overboard there GrannyB.

:D

[GrannyB]

I don't think LE is evil.

I just don't think they have anything, and that leaking stuff to the press to rile up people is not a good enough resolution in my book.

I'd like to see them do their jobs, which, is what I hope they're doing right now instead of talking to the press. I'd like to see bills of indictment and charges of murder brought before the end of the year. I'd like to see a confession, and for Caylee to be given a proper service.

But, I just don't think that LE has this case, and I don't think they will.


Anything LE says to the public isn't for the public. It is for the Anthony's and the Anthony's alone.

[day2day]

I don't think LE is evil.

I just don't think they have anything, and that leaking stuff to the press to rile up people is not a good enough resolution in my book.

I'd like to see them do their jobs, which, is what I hope they're doing right now instead of talking to the press. I'd like to see bills of indictment and charges of murder brought before the end of the year. I'd like to see a confession, and for Caylee to be given a proper service.

But, I just don't think that LE has this case, and I don't think they will.


redcard..
i pray you are wrong. i pray they have now or are working towards murder one. Sadly, Casey imo will never confess to anything. EVER.
I want more than anything for Caylee to be found and for her to have a proper burial. I am just not sure we will ever see that either..and it breaks my heart.

jmo

[trich]

That is EXACTLY what I think.



Exactly....bottom line:
Casey is responsible for her daughter being "missing"

[desmom]

I'm not sure the attorney mentioned in the article is an "attorney involved with the Anthony family." I could be wrong, I got the impression it was the bank's attorney.

I do agree with your second paragraph.

I also wonder why anyone would write a letter (or email) inquiring about this fund if they did not personally contribute.

IMO, people became suspicious when they contacted Lee asking how to contribute using Paypal. I have seen several sites with posts from people who claim Lee told them the bank did not want to mess with Paypal, but they could send their donation to his personal Paypal.

SunTrust handled Trenton's account and donations were accepted through Paypal.

[jammies]

Have you considered another line of work?



God bless Albini for what she does.

THANK YOU ALBINI :rose:

[True2Blues]

It makes me wonder if some of the Anthony's are posting here. If they are too bad they won't just come out of hiding and answer some of our questions. Who knows, we might change our minds.


They won't answer anyone's questions.

[GrannyB]

What would you like to know, Granny?

How to talk to a member of the Anthony family.

[Regina.Lampert]

So Yuri mentioned it. That isn't proof of anything as far as I'm concerned.

It's proof LE is looking into the question of abuse, imo. Unless you think Melich rolled up to that stand and lied under oath?
Is that what you think? You a cop hater?

[SavannahStar]

*snipped*

ETA: I am sensing a certain insinuation that my action was wrong by you, perhaps that is not your intent. One does not have to be seeking to "insert themselves" as some here have said to do the right thing, JMO.


Nope, not my intent. It's not something I would do, even if convinced there was some wrongdoing with the fund. I did feel that way, as a matter of fact, in one case I followed....that "person" collected thousands upon thousands upon thousands of dollars, with no accounting of where the money went. But I didn't contribute....didn't feel the need to take my time and effort to get involved in it. Everyone's different. Right for you might be wrong for me and vice versa.

:seeya:

[Rayosunshine]

Teaching your child to lie is mental abuse. Nuff said.

Teaching them to steal is too.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[day2day]

IMO, people became suspicious when they contacted Lee asking how to contribute using Paypal. I have seen several sites with posts from people who claim Lee told them the bank did not want to mess with Paypal, but they could send their donation to his personal Paypal.

SunTrust handled Trenton's account and donations were accepted through Paypal.

There is a HUGE difference between Trenton and Caylee. IIRC they actually searched for Trenton....


jmo

[True2Blues]

IMO, people became suspicious when they contacted Lee asking how to contribute using Paypal. I have seen several sites with posts from people who claim Lee told them the bank did not want to mess with Paypal, but they could send their donation to his personal Paypal.

SunTrust handled Trenton's account and donations were accepted through Paypal.

A bank wouldn't have any problem with electronic payments through paypal. My husband has designed and written programs like that for financial institutions.

I don't blame people for being suspicious of Lee saying that. It's very strange.

[desmom]

Which leads me to believe whatever happened to Caylee was sudden and quick. And I have no doubt whatever happened to her is Casey's sole responsibility.

JMO

I agree. :(

[True2Blues]

Least not truthfully.

Too True. :mad:

[GrannyB]

The only fact that matters is that with all this supposed evidence, we do not even have a charge of manslaughter.

So it draws, at least for me, doubt to whether or not the evidence really exists. Remember, in the Duke case, they claimed they had "physical and insurmountable evidence of rape from a particular group of individuals on the team."

If there is decomp in the car, a twisting and changing story, cholorform every where, neglect on behalf of Casey, multiple lies regarding the case, cadaver dog hits on the car and on the property, blood evidence, etc.. there MUST be enough to sustain a charge of manslaughter, at the very least.. and then that charge can be upgraded if necessary.

But right now, where are the charges? Why hasn't this case gone to a grand jury yet?

Don't give me "The police are doing their jobs." This case has gone cold. The evidence we were hearing about weeks ago is just not bearing any fruit. It's time we start accepting that some very serious deals are going to start coming out soon, or that she might , if she did it, get away with this one.


Who should LE charge. They know she's dead. How do they prove who did it?

[Loves2Read]

IMO, after Caylee was reported missing, anyone that knows her would rack their brains trying to remember the last time they saw Caylee. These 2 witnesses may have had an OMG moment when they remembered the bruises even if they thought nothing of the bruises when they saw her initially.

ITA good post. Who knows what was noticed by others only to be forgotten as not important. Every time a child that young gets a bruise it doesn't mean abuse but then if that child ends up dieing from a beating.... you would remember those bruises differently. Just like in this case with the child missing and the mother's apparent apathy. JMO but I would put more weight to those photo's of a bruised Caylee now.

[Albini]

Have you considered another line of work?

How dare you.

SOme of have to actaully do the work to keep kids safe.

Others get to sit on thier arses and berate people on the internet.

HAve you considered actaully doing something besides criticing those of us who are?

And no. I work with kids who need help. I foster kids whose parents cant care for them. I do the grunt work. I dont sit around and insult others for kicks and giggles.

I am sure the families of thoe infants were grateful they had bodies to at least bury.

[GrannyB]

If they feel a need to speak with you, they'll send for you.


Oh and you know this how. ROFLMAO

[Albini]

God bless Albini for what she does.

THANK YOU ALBINI :rose:

Interestingly enough she doesnt thank me. She insults me.

I cry for those babies. I am crying now.

I cry for Caylee.

[FoxySly]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ~DaddysGirl~
Yes, I'm everyone on the entire Internet.

Why are you cluttering up CAYLEE'S board with this nonsense???

you are certainly NOT everyone on the entire internet! And you most certainly are NOT Ms. Sly FACT!

Why would you state such a lie on CAYLEE'S board???

And what does it have to do with discussing CAYLEE???

I have always had your clutter on iggy so I had to copy & paste from one of the ones who quote you. I usually can bypass your nonsense but this straight out lie is pathetic especially to be on precious CAYLEE'S thread!

Sly

[True2Blues]

Teaching them to steal is too.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Continuing to do both as an adult, raised in a society where lying and stealing are clearly known to be wrong, is a choice of the individual.

I don't like any of the Anthony family members, but Casey is responsible for her own words and actions.

[crymeariver2006]

How dare you.

SOme of have to actaully do the work to keep kids safe.

Others get to sit on thier arses and berate people on the internet.

HAve you considered actaully doing something besides criticing those of us who are?

And no. I work with kids who need help. I foster kids whose parents cant care for them. I do the grunt work. I dont sit around and insult others for kicks and giggles.

I am sure the families of thoe infants were grateful they had bodies to at least bury.


:rose:

You're a real class act!

Kudos for being an unsung hero in some child's life!

[Cury-us Coyote]

As far as you're concerned??

You're obviously Not concerned about this child.

It was Yuri Melich's duty to mention about IT during the bond hearing! His duty to mention it supports the official child neglect charges.

There's possible evidence to support the propensity of child abuse. As long as there's an ongoing investigation of CHILD NEGLECT and DISAPPEARANCE OF CHILD. More than likely Melich had some kind of inclination with enough proof (at that time) to support a possible allegation of child abuse.

The foul death odor, death of child? Maybe?

Melich's failure to mention it would have been catastrophic to the official child neglect charges and it's ongoing investigation into the disappearance of the child!!!

Have you NOT read the sworn statements by various witnesses that support the possible allegations of child neglect and child abuse, including several photographs of Caylee that depict the suspicion of physical child abuse? There are several photos!!! Several sworn statements!!!

Why delete 200+ photos of your child from your computer? If the child is truly missing, a grieving, logical, and reasonable parent would have UPLOADED an additional 200+ photos of the missing child!!!

The three cadaver dogs, from 3 different jurisdictions, each hit on the inside of trunk--on the right side.

Where was it reported that 3 cadaver dogs hit on the trunk, if you recall? TIA

[SavannahStar]

If you don't 100% support the Anthony family or question their actions and motives, you're engaging in a hate fest. :rolleyes: JMO.

Gee I thought it was the opposite. If you don't hate the Anthonys and question everything they do, you're engaging in a hate fest. Oh and you're a troll, to boot. :D

[GrannyB]

You have just posted the lamest, oldest quote that eventually appears on every case - posted by those who can't stand the fact that not everyone agrees with them.


Wrong again. I don't expect everyone to agree. I don't mind being in the minority. This is a message board. If we all agreed it would be boring. Now why don't you go play with Daddy.:seeya:

[redcard]

Who should LE charge. They know she's dead. How do they prove who did it?

Uh..

All three of them?

I'd seek an indictment against Casey for manslaughter and against the parents for conspiracy to commit manslaughter after the fact. And then I'd see what shakes out of that.

Right now, I think the best we're going to get is involuntary manslaughter after a deal.

[joolz]

How dare you.

SOme of have to actaully do the work to keep kids safe.

Others get to sit on thier arses and berate people on the internet.

HAve you considered actaully doing something besides criticing those of us who are?

And no. I work with kids who need help. I foster kids whose parents cant care for them. I do the grunt work. I dont sit around and insult others for kicks and giggles.

I am sure the families of thoe infants were grateful they had bodies to at least bury.

:rose: Most of us here have an intense appreciation for what you do Albini. Don't let one or two posters with their own wierd provocateur agendas get to you, please.

[shelbar53]

If Casey has lived at home ever since caylee was born, then why WOULD'NT cindy say the "nanny" took her granddaughter instead of the "babysitter took her"? When your with someone all the time everyone usually says the same thing. ...hence the entire family would either say babysitter or nanny. but in that last 911 call, cindy says babysitter and casey says nanny.

[day2day]

Interestingly enough she doesnt thank me. She insults me.

I cry for those babies. I am crying now.

And they are making fun of me.


Let it roll off your back. And know in your heart ..we are NOT all like them. Most of us cry with you...
:rose:

[Broderick]

Who should LE charge. They know she's dead. How do they prove who did it?

It is more a matter if they can convince a jury someone did it. You can base cause on circumstantial evidence and forensic evidence, and demise on forensic evidence. You can even determine cause on mere circumstantial evidence, but the level of charges varies based on what forensics gives you in nature of death if any. So far I see nothing to determine nature so murder in the first degree might be difficult. I can see them trying it based on chloroform though, even though they may have more evidence that hasn't been leaked or released. I am certain the District Attorney's office is being patient hoping the body turns up before pushing forward as time allots.

[bluwaters]

The Anthonys do seem to get physical when their tempers flare ..hose, hammer. baseball bat, shoving , pushing, destroying others property...
their words can be offensive too.
I was so shocked at Casey's language to her mother during that 1st jail house call home. Shortly afterward, C&G made it more than plain that foul language seems to be the norm with this family. Then I understood why Cindy didn't seem to mind how Casey spoke to her.

jmho

[saydeezmom]

It's proof LE is looking into the question of abuse, imo. Unless you think Melich rolled up to that stand and lied under oath?
Is that what you think? You a cop hater?

no...i think AP is quite "fond" of them. jmo

[Rebel Rouzer]

You have just posted the lamest, oldest quote that eventually appears on every case - posted by those who can't stand the fact that not everyone agrees with them.

You have done the same day in and day out when posting about LE and the prosecution and anyone else involved in the case that believe the person of interest or the suspect is guilty before going before a judge and jury. Then after the jury has came to a decision you judge the jury and question the judge and everything else you can think of that in your mind discredits everyone but the defense and the defendant. What makes your opinion better than anyone elses? What makes your mantra better than the next?

[crymeariver2006]

Uh..

All three of them?

I'd seek an indictment against Casey for manslaughter and against the parents for conspiracy to commit manslaughter after the fact. And then I'd see what shakes out of that.

Right now, I think the best we're going to get is involuntary manslaughter after a deal.


The only problem with "seeing what shakes out" is their lawyer(s) is going to say "bring it" and they're only going to get one chance in front of a jury. If that jury acquits, they all walk.

I'd rather wait on more concrete evidence, or the body before I even charged Casey.

She'll have at least a couple of felony convictions by the time she is indicted, so her "deal making" days will probably be over with.

[Albini]

Don't you get paid for being a foster parent?

Oh yes. I must be in it for the money. The great billions of dollars that keep me in a Audi with a summer house on the beach.

hammer

[Howiefan]

this may be a bit off topic but it is bugging me

From this mornings thread there was discussion about the bounty hunter Dick driving Casey around for 9 days.. I did not hear Dick say this however Dr Phil said this.. I have skimmed the links and I know that Dick was her guard in her home for the time until she got got rearrested and he has openly admitted that she would tell him all kinds of stuff.. but nothing significant.
I watched the show and did not hear Dick said he drove her around for 9 days...
Is this not true or did Dr Phil just get it wrong?
I did not see anything new on Dr Phil that we do not already think or have seen..

[True2Blues]

You have just posted the lamest, oldest quote that eventually appears on every case - posted by those who can't stand the fact that not everyone agrees with them.


She has every right to post her questions and opinions.

[bluwaters]

bluwaters if you add in what emanon said in her quote answer to unperson a reasonable person would (given those facts) think there was some foundation for the belief that a certain degree of abuse was possible.
I think that Caylee was probably exposed to inappropriate behavior. It doesn't make sense to me that the A's are acting out in a totally uncharacteristic manner because of the strain. The strain must be unbearable, but they demonstrate a lack of control over anger that is scary.

jmho

[OneUp]

How dare you.

SOme of have to actaully do the work to keep kids safe.

Others get to sit on thier arses and berate people on the internet.

HAve you considered actaully doing something besides criticing those of us who are?

And no. I work with kids who need help. I foster kids whose parents cant care for them. I do the grunt work. I dont sit around and insult others for kicks and giggles.

I am sure the families of thoe infants were grateful they had bodies to at least bury.God Bless you Albini, those who have the heart and the strength to do this suffer much, but reap great rewards as well. I cannot continue to do this work for the time being, but Child Advocacy remains of utmost importance to me and I look forward to working in defense of children again in the future. Those who take action to improve this world have my utmost respect. Those who belittle the doers are not worthy of my time or the effort of contempt.
* to Rebel, Onedarksun, ckrdpast, jbellaj, toadmomma, and Lynden1000 as well as any others who have helped search for the missing...I wish I had been blessed with good people like yourselves by my side when I searched. Just the act of giving your time, caring, and effort is invaluable to those who grieve for their missing loved ones. I think each of you is an everyday hero! That is something each of us has the power to choose to be.
Always, JMO.

[trich]

Don't you get paid for being a foster parent?




You are being nasty.
That is uncalled for.

[Rayosunshine]

[QUOTE=ratched;12166103]


See your reply says "quote ratched and quote Daddysgirl but when posted it shows quoting me. I didn't write the post you quoted :confused:

Cyber-monkeys??

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[tiny paw-prints]

Where was it reported that 3 cadaver dogs hit on the trunk, if you recall? TIA

I read about it from which I perceived to be a credible forum posted by a credible source. Sorry, no link.

Three different cadaver dogs, each from 3 different jurisdictions, each gave a hit of decomp to the inside of the Pontiac trunk, specifically on the right side.

[~jomomma~]

This thread is about CAYLEE not the poster that you are asking personal questions of.

i'm just getting here and read that.

i thought it was very rude!!

slow news day, i see??

[Rayosunshine]

How can you say this? For you to say this, you must not "know" that Caylee is dead and her mother caused it in some sort of fit of rage?
The next thing we'll hear from you is that Casey is innocent until proven guilty.
Don't you see that this is a somewhat outdated premiss?
:no:

FYI: Casey is innocent until proven guilty. I don't know what country you are posting from, but that is how it is in the U.S.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Rebel Rouzer]

You are being nasty.
That is uncalled for.

That poster and her alternics and ego need to be banned. They are PERSONALLY attacking someone for nothing other than self gratification. I'm taking a few minutes away from the thread. That poster has went beyond contemp with their posts toward others today.

[impartial]

The only fact that matters is that with all this supposed evidence, we do not even have a charge of manslaughter.

So it draws, at least for me, doubt to whether or not the evidence really exists. Remember, in the Duke case, they claimed they had "physical and insurmountable evidence of rape from a particular group of individuals on the team."

If there is decomp in the car, a twisting and changing story, cholorform every where, neglect on behalf of Casey, multiple lies regarding the case, cadaver dog hits on the car and on the property, blood evidence, etc.. there MUST be enough to sustain a charge of manslaughter, at the very least.. and then that charge can be upgraded if necessary.

But right now, where are the charges? Why hasn't this case gone to a grand jury yet?

Don't give me "The police are doing their jobs." This case has gone cold. The evidence we were hearing about weeks ago is just not bearing any fruit. It's time we start accepting that some very serious deals are going to start coming out soon, or that she might , if she did it, get away with this one.


I can't argue with this.

Even Kimberly whats her name on Geraldo, who is usually so completely pro prosecution, indicated it is her belief that LE doesn't have enough evidence to go forward with charging her for homicide.

IMO

[Albini]

My sis in law was voted People Magazine's Hero of the Month for her work as a foster mother. She does make a tidy sum doing it too.

How come she ges HEro of the Month and I get the snotty comments? :shrug:

Done. So Done.

[bluwaters]

IMHO-they are raising money to SEARCH for Caylee...WHEN are they going to start? They have collected money in parking lots, from paypal, gift cards, cash and checks to their home...how is ANYONE ever going to account for all of it?
:shrug:
I don't know. That why I think this investigation is a good thing. So far, we have not seen the Anthony's actually organize or support a search. They have changing theories of where they think Caylee may be but can't say where, just that we need to get off our azzes and look for her.
I don't know what expenses the A's have had in their search for Caylee. I am interested to find out.

[Rayosunshine]

I look forward to the end result too, and yet another opportunity to tell you "I told you so".

So, what inside information do you have?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[GrannyB]

Uh..

All three of them?

I'd seek an indictment against Casey for manslaughter and against the parents for conspiracy to commit manslaughter after the fact. And then I'd see what shakes out of that.

Right now, I think the best we're going to get is involuntary manslaughter after a deal.


Sounds good to me.

[joolz]

Adverse Party -

Your tagline? "I vow to give Caylee peace and dignity every day?" How's that working out for you? Or more to the point, how's that working out for Caylee? :shrug:

[trich]

Originally Posted by AdverseParty
Don't you get paid for being a foster parent?




You are being nasty.
That is uncalled for.

[day2day]

That poster and her alternics and ego need to be banned. They are PERSONALLY attacking someone for nothing other than self gratification. I'm taking a few minutes away from the thread. That poster has went beyond contemp with their posts toward others today.

**hugs**....

[EGirl]

No.. I don't like being nasty. She claims to be someone special due to her work as a foster parent. I simply pointed out that it is a paid position.Um yeah, you are nasty. In a multitude of ways

[Rayosunshine]

Just got back and trying to catch up. To my knowledge there is no proof or indication that verbal or physical abuse happened to Caylee.

The only proof or indication of anything is that Casey is responsible for Caylee disappearing and probable death.

IMO

I have my suspicions that Caylee may have been indirectly abused.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[hamebone]

You have just posted the lamest, oldest quote that eventually appears on every case - posted by those who can't stand the fact that not everyone agrees with them.

...as bad as calling others who dont agree with you ...having a hate fest

[happy2bme]

You have just posted the lamest, oldest quote that eventually appears on every case - posted by those who can't stand the fact that not everyone agrees with them.


And you just responded to it...hmmm:D

[tiny paw-prints]

Don't you get paid for being a foster parent?

Your above post is in direction violation of TOS. It is forbidden to solicit personal information about a particular member here.

IMO! hammer IMO! hammer IMO! hammer IMO!

[redcard]

The only problem with "seeing what shakes out" is their lawyer(s) is going to say "bring it" and they're only going to get one chance in front of a jury. If that jury acquits, they all walk.

I'd rather wait on more concrete evidence, or the body before I even charged Casey.

She'll have at least a couple of felony convictions by the time she is indicted, so her "deal making" days will probably be over with.

They're going to walk right now as it stands anyway. If none of them talk, and a body doesn't show.. heck, pretend a body DOES show. You still have to connect the body to them, and nothing will do it more thoroughly than the decomp in the trunk.

Unless the decomp in the trunk isn't as sure a thing as was made out.

Imagine we have the body. That can tell us how she was killed, and if it wasn't cleaned up well, you might have some physical evidence that tells us who killed her. But odds are, by now, fingerprints are gone. The scene has likely been contaminated. The body being found will likely only prove that Caylee is dead and how she died. The bulk of the evidence pointing to the suspects is likely already in play.

[day2day]

Originally Posted by redcard
Uh..

All three of them?

I'd seek an indictment against Casey for manslaughter and against the parents for conspiracy to commit manslaughter after the fact. And then I'd see what shakes out of that.

Right now, I think the best we're going to get is involuntary manslaughter after a deal.

IMO Casey won't be the only Anthony charged. I have faith in LE.

[martha]

Do we not have any news on caylee this afternoon? I watched dr phil but there was nothing we had not already heard on there. I sure wish we could get some good news. Baby sweet caylee where or you? jmho:rose:

[desmom]

this may be a bit off topic but it is bugging me

From this mornings thread there was discussion about the bounty hunter Dick driving Casey around for 9 days.. I did not hear Dick say this however Dr Phil said this.. I have skimmed the links and I know that Dick was her guard in her home for the time until she got got rearrested and he has openly admitted that she would tell him all kinds of stuff.. but nothing significant.
I watched the show and did not hear Dick said he drove her around for 9 days...
Is this not true or did Dr Phil just get it wrong?
I did not see anything new on Dr Phil that we do not already think or have seen..

IIRC, he drove her back and forth to JB's office and to her case manager's office.

jmo

[Rayosunshine]

Until the problem gets fixed, why not post the number of the message you are hoping to quote, in the subject/title line or at the start of your reply?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Joan Weiss]

Geeze, a whole page of this nonsense. Can't anyone find their iggy button? That is, if we don't want the board closed down....


:chicken:

[redcard]

Are YOU an officer of the court?:rolleyes:

I was asked who I would charge.

I answered.

Eye rolling is childish. I'd suggest presenting a good argument or something worthwhile, instead of just sniping for the sake of sniping.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I read about it from which I perceived to be a credible forum posted by a credible source. Sorry, no link.

Three different cadaver dogs, each from 3 different jurisdictions, each gave a hit of decomp to the inside of the Pontiac trunk, specifically on the right side.

Thanks. Guess I need to review the dog handler's bond testimony. IIRC, two distinctly different cadaver dogs and dog handlers from two different counties (Osceola & Orange) were used in the Anthony back yard. First I have read of three dogs & handlers.
jmo

[Loves2Read]

I think that Caylee was probably exposed to inappropriate behavior. It doesn't make sense to me that the A's are acting out in a totally uncharacteristic manner because of the strain. The strain must be unbearable, but they demonstrate a lack of control over anger that is scary.

jmho

ITA The Anthony's have all shown a lack of control that is very concerning.

[spiritwolf46]

How dare you.

SOme of have to actaully do the work to keep kids safe.

Others get to sit on thier arses and berate people on the internet.

HAve you considered actaully doing something besides criticing those of us who are?

And no. I work with kids who need help. I foster kids whose parents cant care for them. I do the grunt work. I dont sit around and insult others for kicks and giggles.

I am sure the families of thoe infants were grateful they had bodies to at least bury.

Albini,

Thank you so very much for all that you do. Don't let people like this throw you in anyway at all. They are miserable and want others to be as well.

You are wonderful for what you do and I thank you very much. :rose:

[shelbar53]

another thought. I always wonder why cindy told the 911 operator that the car smelled like there was a dead body in it..then it hit me. She had just picked up the car from the towing parking lot...her daughter just told her the nanny took caylee so im assuming cindy thought the kidnapper had the car last...not casey, but once she realized casey was last seen with the car...she changed her tune.

[Rayosunshine]

Don't you get paid for being a foster parent?


In La. you do.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[MyrDawn]

FYI: Casey is innocent until proven guilty. I don't know what country you are posting from, but that is how it is in the U.S.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

No, in the U.S., Casey is not innocent until proven guilty. She's legally presumed innocent until proven guilty. There's a big difference. It refers to legal as opposed to factual guilt. And, we are free to have our own opinions as to whether she's guilty or not because we are private citizens and aren't representatives of the law.

[Loves2Read]

can we please stop talking about posters jobs and get back ot..caylee is the topic.

I'm with you Flmom! These posters should take it to PM! We don't want the board to get shut down! (unless that is really what they are here for)

Where's Caylee????

[desmom]

Please take it to PM, use the ignore function or scroll on by.


FBI investigates possible Caylee sighting
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7487341&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

The FBI says after checking out the tip and surveillance pictures they don't think it was an actual Caylee sighting and neither does the missing three year old's grandfather.

[Rayosunshine]

this may be a bit off topic but it is bugging me

From this mornings thread there was discussion about the bounty hunter Dick driving Casey around for 9 days.. I did not hear Dick say this however Dr Phil said this.. I have skimmed the links and I know that Dick was her guard in her home for the time until she got got rearrested and he has openly admitted that she would tell him all kinds of stuff.. but nothing significant.
I watched the show and did not hear Dick said he drove her around for 9 days...
Is this not true or did Dr Phil just get it wrong?
I did not see anything new on Dr Phil that we do not already think or have seen..

I watched Dr. Phil in its entirety and it was never mentioned.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

ps. I think it was a ratings ploy.

[spiritwolf46]

My sis in law was voted People Magazine's Hero of the Month for her work as a foster mother. She does make a tidy sum doing it too.


So, is that why your sis in law does it? No hero in my book. BTW, what month was that? May want to see for myself. TIA!

Hero right now in my book is LE who are working non stop to bring a horrible case to a close.

:rose: For Caylee and LE

[tiny paw-prints]

Thanks. Guess I need to review the dog handler's bond testimony. IIRC, two distinctly different cadaver dogs and dog handlers from two different counties (Osceola & Orange) were used in the Anthony back yard. First I have read of three dogs & handlers.
jmo

Your info might be correct, Cury.

However (as you know) it's also possible that some of the dog handler info either didn't get into the bond hearing testimony due to time constraints, or it was purposely omitted from the public's view.

[joint-heir]

this may be a bit off topic but it is bugging me

From this mornings thread there was discussion about the bounty hunter Dick driving Casey around for 9 days.. I did not hear Dick say this however Dr Phil said this.. I have skimmed the links and I know that Dick was her guard in her home for the time until she got got rearrested and he has openly admitted that she would tell him all kinds of stuff.. but nothing significant.
I watched the show and did not hear Dick said he drove her around for 9 days...
Is this not true or did Dr Phil just get it wrong?
I did not see anything new on Dr Phil that we do not already think or have seen..



I think Dr. Phil left out so many of the factions in this whole case! Plus,
you have so much commercial for His show + products, you have about 15 minutes of real show! I have never enjoyed the maybe once or twice I have watched. Today, so many things were left out for lack of time. It is my opinion that Dick was the one in the car with Casey a lot.
And LP was using just circumstance of things that happened overall with those working for him.
If anyone was truly watching this board for misuse, it would be shut down right now!!

[Albini]

The FBI says after checking out the tip and surveillance pictures they don't think it was an actual Caylee sighting and neither does the missing three year old's grandfather.


Thank you for the link.

[hamebone]

No.. I don't like being nasty. She claims to be someone special due to her work as a foster parent. I simply pointed out that it is a paid position.

She claimed to feel a strong passion for children, a calling perhaps. I didnt see her claim she was special. Although some people do have special gifts when it comes to others it would seem.

Only God knows the heart of men...IMO

..AND ...you may not wont to be nasty...but you come across that way....of course I could be wrong...or not.

[bluwaters]

The only fact that matters is that with all this supposed evidence, we do not even have a charge of manslaughter.

So it draws, at least for me, doubt to whether or not the evidence really exists. Remember, in the Duke case, they claimed they had "physical and insurmountable evidence of rape from a particular group of individuals on the team."

If there is decomp in the car, a twisting and changing story, cholorform every where, neglect on behalf of Casey, multiple lies regarding the case, cadaver dog hits on the car and on the property, blood evidence, etc.. there MUST be enough to sustain a charge of manslaughter, at the very least.. and then that charge can be upgraded if necessary.

But right now, where are the charges? Why hasn't this case gone to a grand jury yet?

Don't give me "The police are doing their jobs." This case has gone cold. The evidence we were hearing about weeks ago is just not bearing any fruit. It's time we start accepting that some very serious deals are going to start coming out soon, or that she might , if she did it, get away with this one.
This case started cold, due to the failure of Casey A to report her child missing. I think that LE has done an outstanding job, considering that they were 31 days late on the scene.
If Casey is charged with manslaughter, then a clock begins to tick due to Casey's right to a swift trial. What's the hurry? They've got Casey on other charges and she will do some time for those. LE can take their time. There is no statute of limitations on murder.

I do think that they may have to drop the felony neglect charge if they plan to charge Casey with murder down the road. I don't quite understand all of that and don't mean to start up the DJ Florida law again.

LE wants Caylee found before being rushed to trial.

jmho

[impartial]

Please take it to PM, use the ignore function or scroll on by.


FBI investigates possible Caylee sighting
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7487341&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

The FBI says after checking out the tip and surveillance pictures they don't think it was an actual Caylee sighting and neither does the missing three year old's grandfather.



Thanks for the link Desmom.

Speaking of links, has anyone heard from Lynn?

[Boxer]

c'mon y'all. let em yell on deaf ears. roll on by. posts made just to incite the masses are childish.

[dreamtime]

I have been obsessed by Caylee and what happened to her since the beginning.
I have listened these last 3 months as we explore odd sidelne theories of what happened, when it happened, who was involved.
I have listened to the debate about George A and Cindy A
and their possible involvement in the disappearance of Caylee.
I have listened to the talk of GA and CA conspiracy with Casey to cover up Caylee's disappearnce.
There has been talk of boy friends aplenty. There has been talk of partying.
There have been quotes of Cindy calling Casey a sociopath.
There have been quotes from friends that Casey was a wonderful mom.
There has been money stolen by Casey, from friends, parents, grandparents.
And the LIES. We all could list Casey's many lies.

The more the days go by, the more tangled the possibilities could be.
But, last night, while not sleeping well as usual, I thought,
keep it simple.

Simple:
Something happened to Caylee June 16.
No one able to prove Caylee whereabouts since June 16.
The odor of decomp in the car.
Cindy's 911 calls July 15. She said, 'it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car.'
LE proving that Casey's story to them was all lies.

All the rest is supposition.
And maybe, at this time, we are searching for crumbs to discuss, to help enlighten us about why Casey would do this or why Caylee is no longer with us and why parents/grandparents act out of the norm.
I think that is human nature. We want to help, to understand the why's and how's.

The reality, to me, is that Caylee is dead. Buried, thrown away, disposed of. No matter the reasons.

To me, LE will indict Casey on a charge of murder. Sooner or later.

We will see Casey in prison for life.

We just want it NOW.

[Rayosunshine]

No, in the U.S., Casey is not innocent until proven guilty. She's legally presumed innocent until proven guilty. There's a big difference. It refers to legal as opposed to factual guilt. And, we are free to have our own opinions as to whether she's guilty or not because we are private citizens and aren't representatives of the law.

If she is legally "presumed" innocent until proven guilty then does that make her innocent until proven guilty? You opinion is certainly allowed, but I think the law is pretty straight forward and the law is what counts, in the court system. What is "factual guilt"?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[desmom]

Thanks for the link Desmom.

Speaking of links, has anyone heard from Lynn?

YW ~ Basically same info in this story...

Couple Says Photo Shows Caylee; FBI Dismisses It
http://www.wesh.com/news/17531153/detail.html

Someone posted in open court they had been in contact with Lynn.

jmo

[redcard]

LE wants Caylee found before being rushed to trial.

jmho

And I don't think there's ever going to be enough evidence to warrant the top count here.

So what are they waiting for? They're going to get Casey on a few of these other crimes, but that seems like they're just gathering up ammo to offer a deal.

Right now, as it stands, if you top count her on the neglect, the check theft, and everything else, and you run it consecutively, Casey does more time for that than she would for a manslaughter 2 plea.

They're not going to close this case out without a confession, and they know it. They're getting ammo to flip her.

[bluwaters]

How dare you.

SOme of have to actaully do the work to keep kids safe.

Others get to sit on thier arses and berate people on the internet.

HAve you considered actaully doing something besides criticing those of us who are?

And no. I work with kids who need help. I foster kids whose parents cant care for them. I do the grunt work. I dont sit around and insult others for kicks and giggles.

I am sure the families of thoe infants were grateful they had bodies to at least bury.

God bless you! :rose:

[Rayosunshine]

Are you in reference to the toys that it was claimed by the mob who picketed the home, were thrown in the trash?
I'm sure that somebody could make an "indirect abuse" charge out of THAT, transgression.:rolleyes:


Not hardly. I'm a little more intelligent than that.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[True2Blues]

Thanks for the link Desmom.

Speaking of links, has anyone heard from Lynn?


Lynn Gweeny? She's fine, but busy with a family matter. Hopefully she'll be back soon.

sorry for the O/T

[Broderick]

To me, LE will indict Casey on a charge of murder. Sooner or later.

We will see Casey in prison for life.

We just want it NOW.


I see two camps here. Some that recognize that Law enforcement has quite a task in recreating the month of Caylee's disappearance and respect the fact that they have plenty of time to piece things together and respect the fact that the district attorney in the case has time to make sure the appropriate additional charges are imposed. The other camp is impatient and wants expedient justice for the little girl. Of course there is another side that thinks law enforcement and the district attorney are up to a bunch of shenanigans which is highly doubtful.

I think one thing is clear. There is a little girl missing. That is fact.

[impartial]

If she is legally "presumed" innocent until proven guilty then does that make her innocent until proven guilty? You opinion is certainly allowed, but I think the law is pretty straight forward and the law is what counts, in the court system. What is "factual guilt"?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


Not sure how the poster meant it ... factual guilt could be where someone confesses to a crime, they did it; but the only evidence LE has is the confession ... the confession gets thrown out of court, the case is dismissed due to lack of evidence. The perp is factually guilty, but on the streets same as if he/she were innocent.

IMO

[summer4meplz]

Wow. I bet you would make an excellent juror.
Where was all of this indignation when the "group" was insisting that I was actually "Daddy's Girl"?
At the same time, the ignore feature is of little value if those who choose to use it, by pass it's effectiveness by picking up their "tormentors" posts second hand.
;)


Can you all PLEASE stay on topic.....if what you have to add has nothing to do with this case....then don't add it....ok? cw has been ever so clear about this....tia

[desmom]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-092208,0,7454090.story

Complaints about trust fund filed with AG's office 5 p.m. The Attorney General's Office today released the two complaints it received about the trust fund in response to an Orlando Sentinel request.

Link includes a brief description of the 2 complaints.

[tiny paw-prints]

I was asking in general. I don't think we are supposed to post about our jobs either.


A member can volunteer to post about their experiences; life, job, marriage, child-rearing, etc., etc. The poster was volunteering about her foster parenting experiences. You inquired about the poster's financial income. Plain and simple.

[charm7]

Geeze, a whole page of this nonsense. Can't anyone find their iggy button? That is, if we don't want the board closed down....


:chicken:

I am choosing to lurk till later. The children will go to bed and the snakes will go back under their rocks. :biggrin:

[~jomomma~]

Please take it to PM, use the ignore function or scroll on by.


FBI investigates possible Caylee sighting
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7487341&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

The FBI says after checking out the tip and surveillance pictures they don't think it was an actual Caylee sighting and neither does the missing three year old's grandfather.


is that the only pic that's been made public of this little girl?

[Joan Weiss]

God Bless you Albini, those who have the heart and the strength to do this suffer much, but reap great rewards as well. I cannot continue to do this work for the time being, but Child Advocacy remains of utmost importance to me and I look forward to working in defense of children again in the future. Those who take action to improve this world have my utmost respect. Those who belittle the doers are not worthy of my time or the effort of contempt.
* to Rebel, Onedarksun, ckrdpast, jbellaj, toadmomma, and Lynden1000 as well as any others who have helped search for the missing...I wish I had been blessed with good people like yourselves by my side when I searched. Just the act of giving your time, caring, and effort is invaluable to those who grieve for their missing loved ones. I think each of you is an everyday hero! That is something each of us has the power to choose to be.
Always, JMO.I can only ditto this, from One, who knows. :rose:

[Reenbean]

Can anyone tell me if TES had that press conference today re: news that would be shocking? I checked the links page but nothing about this is there. TIA!!

[Rayosunshine]

Not sure how the poster meant it ... factual guilt could be where someone confesses to a crime, they did it; but the only evidence LE has is the confession ... the confession gets thrown out of court, the case is dismissed due to lack of evidence. The perp is factually guilty, but on the streets same as if he/she were innocent.

IMO

K, thanks.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[desmom]

Can anyone tell me if TES had that press conference today re: news that would be shocking? I checked the links page but nothing about this is there. TIA!!

No PC. The PC was a rumor.

[tiny paw-prints]

LE should be no ones hero. They don't even have enough to bring charges.


Keep your eyes wide open! It's coming.

I certainly wouldn't want you to miss IT!

[Albini]

No PC. The PC was a rumor.

I was wondering what happened to it. Thanks.

[joolz]

And I don't think there's ever going to be enough evidence to warrant the top count here.

So what are they waiting for? They're going to get Casey on a few of these other crimes, but that seems like they're just gathering up ammo to offer a deal.

Right now, as it stands, if you top count her on the neglect, the check theft, and everything else, and you run it consecutively, Casey does more time for that than she would for a manslaughter 2 plea.

They're not going to close this case out without a confession, and they know it. They're getting ammo to flip her.

What do you mean by flip her? Do you think anyone else was involved?

[CinTN]

Please take it to PM, use the ignore function or scroll on by.


FBI investigates possible Caylee sighting
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7487341&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

The FBI says after checking out the tip and surveillance pictures they don't think it was an actual Caylee sighting and neither does the missing three year old's grandfather.


SURPRISE
Because GA KNOWS what happened to that baby ,,


This bickering has to stop people,, Please take it to PM don't ruin it for the rest of us that are minding our P's and Q's .....


Was there any news from TES today? I read back that there was supposed to be a PC today... :shrug:

ETA :: NEVERMIND ON THE TES QUESTION ,, after I posted I seen it was answered,, SORRY

[redcard]

I see two camps here. Some that recognize that Law enforcement has quite a task in recreating the month of Caylee's disappearance and respect the fact that they have plenty of time to piece things together and respect the fact that the district attorney in the case has time to make sure the appropriate additional charges are imposed. The other camp is impatient and wants expedient justice for the little girl. Of course there is another side that thinks law enforcement and the district attorney are up to a bunch of shenanigans which is highly doubtful.

I think one thing is clear. There is a little girl missing. That is fact.

Impatient?

We're on day 98. We've seen Casey charged with everything else concerning a wide variety of things. We've seen her arrested at least three times, once on the mere WORD of a former friend.

There is supposedly proof of a dead body in the trunk . Cadaver dogs hit in the trunk and on her property three times. There's evidence supposedly of cholorform and its uses and construction. There are multiple lies and inconsistancies. There is a means, and there is an opportunity.

How much longer do you want to wait, and what more do you think we're going to find out here? The only way we know exactly what happened to Caylee is if WHOEVER has her, or WHOEVER murdered her, tells us or if Caylee herself tells us.

The case is COLD. They're gearing up ammo to offer her a deal and will make the other charges against her go away if she cops a plea.

[cassidy]

LE should be no ones hero. They don't even have enough to bring charges.

IMO Le would like nothing better than to close this case with a conviction. I believe that they are working their rears off building a case. Remember, they came into it 31 days late by no fault of their own. Patience.

[Reenbean]

No PC. The PC was a rumor.

Ugh! Thanks though for the update desmom! I missed the news all day today thanks to such a wonderful day at work :mad:. I was really hoping something would break today, like sweet Caylee was found. I'll catch NG later.

[tiny paw-prints]

Can anyone tell me if TES had that press conference today re: news that would be shocking? I checked the links page but nothing about this is there. TIA!!


Correction!

Padilla said "shocking"...

TES said "surprise" ...

Both are considered rumors at this time, IMO.

[True2Blues]

LE should be no ones hero. They don't even have enough to bring charges.

What evidence do you have of this?

And I don't mean something as useless as "Because they haven't brought them?". Do you have actual, concrete evidence that shows this to be undisputed fact?

There haven't been formal charges brought YET, but that doesn't mean that LE doesn't have enough to support them. It's obvious they are still actively investigating the case. Since Casey is already under arrest and awaiting trial, they don't have any reason to file before they are satisfied that they have all the information available.

[bluwaters]

Gee I thought it was the opposite. If you don't hate the Anthonys and question everything they do, you're engaging in a hate fest. Oh and you're a troll, to boot. :D
I hope that's not a collective "you."
I don't like to be categorized as I may agree with one on one point, and disagree with the same one on a different point.
I do not hate the Anthony's.
I do not like the Anthony's.
I don't believe that those who have a different point of view are engaged in a hate fest.
I also see some here whose posts are insulting put downs to those they don't agree with, on all sides of the issue.

[redcard]

What do you mean by flip her? Do you think anyone else was involved?

I mean that I suspect they are gathering evidence and charging her with other crimes in an attempt to get her to cop to a lower count on the death of her daughter.

[need2no]

IIRC, he drove her back and forth to JB's office and to her case manager's office.

jmo


That was all I was aware of until today...but when Dr. Phil asked Rob Dick about this he stated he did in fact drive her around for 9 days with the intention of helping her find Caylee.

I wondered why this is just now coming out, and I assume they got special permission to do so since it was originally stated she could only go to work, church, JB's office and to visit her case manager.

[crimeq]

I just dont see genuine off the cuff happiness in a lot of her photos. She mimicked her mother, Casey, with a panned smile a lot of the time. There are a few photos that she has a genuine smile, in many though I find myself lingering when I look at them, because something makes me uneasy in her expressions. Esp the one in the backseat of the car. :shrug: That's just my impression though!

Jenny, I agree about the photo in the back seat of the car. To me she looks like a "too old" little girl, trying to figure out "what now" or "what's next" -- like she's seen too much already and is only 2 yo and has to worry about what's coming next. She wasn't wearing a happy and secure look, but a puzzled inquisitive look that wasn't about "playing" puzzles but about living one already. JMO.

[Boxer]

That was all I was aware of until today...but when Dr. Phil asked Rob Dick about this he stated he did in fact drive her around for 9 days with the intention of helping her find Caylee.

I wondered why this is just now coming out, and I assume they got special permission to do so since it was originally stated she could only go to work, church, JB's office and to visit her case manager.

there are enough reporters out there that we would have had 30 videos of this if it had happened.

[Unperson1984]

I wonder why you and most others think Casey is the one responsible and not Cindy or even George. I don't see anything that points to Casey and more than the others? I really would like to know.

I can only explain the basis for my opinion.

I don’t see a motive for anyone but Casey. Casey was locked into living with her parents because she couldn’t afford to pay rent and child care if she and Caylee moved out, but I think she hated living under Cindy’s thumb. Add to it she had met TonE a few weeks before Caylee disappeared and she may have sensed that he wasn’t looking for a built-in family.

Moreover, I can’t see Casey sitting in jail to cover for her mother. She seems quite egocentric.

If Cindy or George were involved they could have simply said that Casey and Caylee had moved out, maybe to another state. Since the Anthony’s don’t seem to have close friends who would have noticed Caylee’s absence other then neighbors? Instead Cindy calls LE and tells them the car smells like a dead body. That makes no sense to me.

Casey seems to be the only one with motive and opportunity. IMO

[bluwaters]

Oh yes. I must be in it for the money. The great billions of dollars that keep me in a Audi with a summer house on the beach.

hammer
Oh yeah. I forgot that fostering troubled children is great way strike it rich!
Silly me...:tongue:

[summer4meplz]

Are YOU an officer of the court?:rolleyes:

Does the poster have to be an officer of the court to have an opinion.?...i don't get why you are here.....i don't think you have made one post concerning Caylee or anything to do with this case....

[joolz]

I mean that I suspect they are gathering evidence and charging her with other crimes in an attempt to get her to cop to a lower count on the death of her daughter.


I hope you are right so that Caylee can be laid to rest (even if not in the physical sense) with some certainty. But I can't imagine Casey ever copping to her guilt, even on a lower count. IMO she is a stone cold monster and her mind does not work in any "normal" way.

[Loves2Read]

Impatient?

We're on day 98. We've seen Casey charged with everything else concerning a wide variety of things. We've seen her arrested at least three times, once on the mere WORD of a former friend.
~~ snip ~~


It's a good thing that the friend's word was backed up by the checks, video of her cashing the checks and her driver's license number on the back...... :D

[Rebel Rouzer]

What evidence do you have of this?

And I don't mean something as useless as "Because they haven't brought them?". Do you have actual, concrete evidence that shows this to be undisputed fact?

There haven't been formal charges brought YET, but that doesn't mean that LE doesn't have enough to support them. It's obvious they are still actively investigating the case. Since Casey is already under arrest and awaiting trial, they don't have any reason to file before they are satisfied that they have all the information available.

Exactly. Agree with you totally. Not one person posting here can say for fact that LE don't have enough to bring charges against Casey. As a matter of fact there have been cases brought and charged with less than we have in this case. IMO It's a matter of whether or not they have enough to charge premeditated murder or just manslaughter.

I Enjoy your posts.

[MyrDawn]

My sis in law was voted People Magazine's Hero of the Month for her work as a foster mother. She does make a tidy sum doing it too.

Here in Texas, the only way a foster parent could make a tidy sum fostering is if they bought the kids' clothes from thrift stores and fed them kool aid and ramen most of the time. It's just not much money at all.

Has anyone noticed the web cam at the Anthony's house tonight? It's all blurry.

[tiny paw-prints]

Don't you get paid for being a foster parent?

Are you inquiring about a poster's financial income?

:no: Shame on you!

[BJames]

Day 98

Where is Caylee Anthony?

That is the bottom line in all of this, a little girl's life. Is she out there waiting for someone to find her? When it's all said and done...will any of this matter?
Can someone bring Caylee Anthony home?

[FrankieBones1]

Here's a new thread for the afternoon.

Thanks.
Hi, Rose! :seeya:
Did anyone watch Dr. Phil discuss this case today? I thought he had Casey pegged pretty good.

[Howiefan]

IIRC, he drove her back and forth to JB's office and to her case manager's office.

jmo
that is what I thought perhaps too... Thanks for answering me...:)

[CinTN]

CALL IN VOICE YOUR OPINION ( Real Radio 104.1 out of Orlando)


1-407-916-1041 Local FL or 1-888-978-1041 NATION WIDE ..

http://www.realradio.fm/cc-common/streaming_new/index.html?refreshed=yes
^^STREAM ^^

they are talking about the case right now...Well just went to commercial but I am sure you can bring it back up ....

Talking about Protesters,, LDT's ,, Kids at protest.... TV coverage at the house and why its not a good idea and fueling the issues between the A's and the protesters .. A guy just called and wanted to know why or if the A's have not taken a LDT..

Jim Philips is a big pusher of human rights but he is torn on this issue of the protesters there ( just a little insite to what was just talked about)

Call in and voice your opinion .. :beer:

[Reenbean]

I hope you are right so that Caylee can be laid to rest (even if not in the physical sense) with some certainty. But I can't imagine Casey ever copping to her guilt, even on a lower count. IMO she is a stone cold monster and her mind does not work in any "normal" way.

ITA joolz. Casey will never admit to what she's done with Caylee, IMO.
But I do believe she will be charged at some point.
On another note I really hope the rude bantering back and forth between certain posters stops before we get shut down. Just because a person posts something you don't agree with doesn't mean you have to answer it. Take the high road people and ignore!! How difficult is that??!!

[need2no]

there are enough reporters out there that we would have had 30 videos of this if it had happened.


I agree...but why would he claim this, and how can he get by lying about it? Obviously LE would know if she was out there driving around with her ankle monitor.

So...either he is flat out lying (and will look the fool when LE disputes this)

OR

LE allowed it because they needed/wanted his help

So...is it possible she slipped out of JB's office to go ride around with RD, unbeknowst to the reporters?

[jbellaj]

The FOOT that was found was that of a small child..

and there are no reports of missing children in that area.

as per: CNN

Oh my..that's not good...:(

[Albini]

The FOOT that was found was that of a small child..

and there are no reports of missing children in that area.

as per: CNN

Thank you C_E. How tragic.:(

[Broderick]

Impatient?

We're on day 98. We've seen Casey charged with everything else concerning a wide variety of things. We've seen her arrested at least three times, once on the mere WORD of a former friend.

There is supposedly proof of a dead body in the trunk . Cadaver dogs hit in the trunk and on her property three times. There's evidence supposedly of cholorform and its uses and construction. There are multiple lies and inconsistancies. There is a means, and there is an opportunity.

How much longer do you want to wait, and what more do you think we're going to find out here? The only way we know exactly what happened to Caylee is if WHOEVER has her, or WHOEVER murdered her, tells us or if Caylee herself tells us.

The case is COLD. They're gearing up ammo to offer her a deal and will make the other charges against her go away if she cops a plea.

That is silly sorry. They can't create magic charges out of whole clothe, certainly when it comes to murder and the nature. The charge they will impose will be based on evidence once it is all collected. They can wait as long as they desire, but murder charges range widely so when the time comes they go with what they have. So far I see nothing they have released giving them a capital murder charge, murder one, which is likely what they are waiting to see if the body surfaces to impose. There are other degrees of murder and I am sure the District Attorney is waiting until they have as much evidence as possible.

You are obviously not familiar with how this works so I understand.

[summer4meplz]

And this post of yours helps, how?:shrug:


I see that you are "new"...so just a little heads up.... we are supposed to be discussing Caylee ....it's simple....really....

[desmom]

Impatient?

We're on day 98. We've seen Casey charged with everything else concerning a wide variety of things. We've seen her arrested at least three times, once on the mere WORD of a former friend.

There is supposedly proof of a dead body in the trunk . Cadaver dogs hit in the trunk and on her property three times. There's evidence supposedly of cholorform and its uses and construction. There are multiple lies and inconsistancies. There is a means, and there is an opportunity.

How much longer do you want to wait, and what more do you think we're going to find out here? The only way we know exactly what happened to Caylee is if WHOEVER has her, or WHOEVER murdered her, tells us or if Caylee herself tells us.

The case is COLD. They're gearing up ammo to offer her a deal and will make the other charges against her go away if she cops a plea.


LE has been on the case 67 days because Casey did not tell anyone Caylee was missing for the first 31 days.

IMO, LE is wading through cell phone records and retracing Casey's activities and travels for those 31 days + analyzing evidence from her car.

The check fraud/forgery investigation had cooperating witnesses - Amy, 2 Target stores, Bank of America, Winn Dixie....too bad LE does not have cooperating witnesses in Caylee's investigation. :(

jmo

[hamebone]

That was all I was aware of until today...but when Dr. Phil asked Rob Dick about this he stated he did in fact drive her around for 9 days with the intention of helping her find Caylee.

I wondered why this is just now coming out, and I assume they got special permission to do so since it was originally stated she could only go to work, church, JB's office and to visit her case manager.


I havent watched the show yet.

Did he mean he drove her to locations looking...or he was driving her to and from Jose's hoping she would give a clue?

How could he help her? He wasnt even allowed to speak to her at all.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I can only explain the basis for my opinion.

I don’t see a motive for anyone but Casey. Casey was locked into living with her parents because she couldn’t afford to pay rent and child care if she and Caylee moved out, but I think she hated living under Cindy’s thumb. Add to it she had met TonE a few weeks before Caylee disappeared and she may have sensed that he wasn’t looking for a built-in family.

Moreover, I can’t see Casey sitting in jail to cover for her mother. She seems quite egocentric.

If Cindy or George were involved they could have simply said that Casey and Caylee had moved out, maybe to another state. Since the Anthony’s don’t seem to have close friends who would have noticed Caylee’s absence other then neighbors? Instead Cindy calls LE and tells them the car smells like a dead body. That makes no sense to me.

Casey seems to be the only one with motive and opportunity. IMO

You are very smart and I always appreciate your input and posts on matters such as th one we are dealing with now.

[True2Blues]

Tit for tat:
Have you any "concrete evidence" to support your claim? If it turns out they don't have the evidence to convict her of ANY of the charges, she wouldn't be the first to spend time in lock up just to put pressure on the "person of interest".


Yes, I do have evidence of my claim, which is that charges haven't been brought yet, which they haven't, and that LE are still actively investigating this case, which they are.

If you check you will find that LE traveled to California to question people about this case just this past week, I believe that shows an ongoing investigation, as does checking with the "Other" Kaylee last week and showing video of possible "sightings" to George Anthony.

It is obvious that charges have not been filed, so there's no explanation necessary. That was all I claimed. I suggested they are in no hurry since Casey is facing an upcoming trial. I don't know that is fact, it is simply a suggestion.

As far as Casey's other arrests, I said nothing about them. She committed crimes, she got caught, she got arrested. That's what happens to criminals. Casey Anthony is not exempt from the charges on her criminal activity. Since there is video of her committing these crimes, I'd say there was a reason for her to be arrested and charged.

[bluwaters]

Please take it to PM, use the ignore function or scroll on by.


FBI investigates possible Caylee sighting
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7487341&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

The FBI says after checking out the tip and surveillance pictures they don't think it was an actual Caylee sighting and neither does the missing three year old's grandfather.
No surprise there.
At least the defense will not be able to say that LE did not follow through on credible tips.

jmho

[shelbar53]

Hi, Rose! :seeya:
Did anyone watch Dr. Phil discuss this case today? I thought he had Casey pegged pretty good.

here are my 2 thoughts i posted earlier:

I always wonder why cindy told the 911 operator that the car smelled like there was a dead body in it..then it hit me. She had just picked up the car from the towing parking lot...her daughter just told her the nanny took caylee so im assuming cindy thought the kidnapper had the car last...not casey, but once she realized casey was last seen with the car...she changed her tune

If Casey has lived at home ever since caylee was born, then why WOULD'NT cindy say the 'nanny' took her granddaughter instead of the 'babysitter took her'? When your with someone all the time everyone usually says the same thing. ...hence the entire family would either say babysitter or nanny. but in that last 911 call, cindy says babysitter and casey says nanny

[Howiefan]

That was all I was aware of until today...but when Dr. Phil asked Rob Dick about this he stated he did in fact drive her around for 9 days with the intention of helping her find Caylee.

I wondered why this is just now coming out, and I assume they got special permission to do so since it was originally stated she could only go to work, church, JB's office and to visit her case manager.
I think desmom answered us correctly.. .that it was just back and forth to the lawyer and i do recall something to that effect

[joint-heir]

That was all I was aware of until today...but when Dr. Phil asked Rob Dick about this he stated he did in fact drive her around for 9 days with the intention of helping her find Caylee.

I wondered why this is just now coming out, and I assume they got special permission to do so since it was originally stated she could only go to work, church, JB's office and to visit her case manager.



In my opinion of listening to every thing I can find about this case, you are not going to get the answer you may be wanting. Suffice it to say. They worked the case (maybe for 9 days)...They initially wanted to have her solve the case by talking. It didn't happen! IMO, Baez never intended to allow them any access to her. She never intended to help find Caylee. It was a ruse. But she does have the "right" to bail out if someone sets a bail amount. That's just the way it works. And the anger (tho some of the actions on it are not justified) is the result of her lying and silence.

[joolz]

ITA joolz. Casey will never admit to what she's done with Caylee, IMO.
But I do believe she will be charged at some point.
On another note I really hope the rude bantering back and forth between certain posters stops before we get shut down. Just because a person posts something you don't agree with doesn't mean you have to answer it. Take the high road people and ignore!! How difficult is that??!!

Not that difficult at all. Mantra: Iggy is my friend.;)

I hope she can be charged. I'm just really worried that 31 days may have destroyed all physical evidence. And as we know, there are people who will never convict on what they call "just" circumstancial. :(