Michelle Fisher Young, Sept. 21 to 25

[Kat4Eagles]

Yep, that word complicated keeps cropping up.

Wonder if complicated is LE's euphemism for well-planned?

MOO

Swabby

But, again, how well planned was this, really?

Buy a million dollar life insurance policy on your wife

Tell friends wife is bugging you.

Attempt a fatal car accident where only wife gets hurt or killed

Attempt a drowing accident with people around

Mess around with wife's bff.

Be out of town on the nite she was murdered

Be seen on hotel video wearing different clothes

Ask hotel clerk if you have time to drive to Raleigh and back
before being noticed missing

Ask for secret map of hidden back roads

Ask hotel staff if you can borrow a good rock to place by door

Put all lights on when you get back home

Wear 2 different shoes to mess with cops.

Anything else in the plan, I missed?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

It's funny that you brought that up. Because when I was reading here this morning I thought about what luck it was that the paper delivery person saw what he did and took notice of it.

Jenna Nielson was also a paper delivery person. I think for a different paper however, it was not too far away from Michelles.

Just kind of interesting, Thats all. I'm sure the PDP was also able to ID the kind of light colored SUV it was.

JMO


Hmmm.


Kat

[Caitriona]

But, again, how well planned was this, really?

Buy a million dollar life insurance policy on your wife

Tell friends wife is bugging you.

Attempt a fatal car accident where only wife gets hurt or killed

Attempt a drowing accident with people around

Mess around with wife's bff.

Be out of town on the nite she was murdered

Be seen on hotel video wearing different clothes

Ask hotel clerk if you have time to drive to Raleigh and back
before being noticed missing

Ask for secret map of hidden back roads

Ask hotel staff if you can borrow a good rock to place by door

Put all lights on when you get back home

Wear 2 different shoes to mess with cops.

Anything else in the plan, I missed?

Kat

Nobody ever said he was a genius.

[5swab5]

But , she looked , right?

When it finally dawned on her, that this was no fall,..that there might
have been foul play, and after she touched the pillow, and told the 911

operator that important detail, :rolleyes: did it then occur to her, that utoh, there might be someone else in the house???????????????????????

:shrug:

Kat

Not according to you.

'Cause you think that Meredith did the unthinkable. (or is that only on even numbered days)

Pick a lane.

MOO

Swabby

[Barbara2]

But , she looked , right?

When it finally dawned on her, that this was no fall,..that there might
have been foul play, and after she touched the pillow, and told the 911

operator that important detail, :rolleyes: did it then occur to her, that utoh, there might be someone else in the house???????????????????????

:shrug:

Kat

I don't think so. I think she knew the killer was miles away. JMO

[5swab5]

But, again, how well planned was this, really?

((respectfully snipped for space only))

Anything else in the plan, I missed?

Kat


I think you just answered your own question.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

It's funny that you brought that up. Because when I was reading here this morning I thought about what luck it was that the paper delivery person saw what he did and took notice of it.

Jenna Nielson was also a paper delivery person. I think for a different paper however, it was not too far away from Michelles.

Just kind of interesting, Thats all. I'm sure the PDP was also able to ID the kind of light colored SUV it was.

JMO

Heyyyyyyyyy.. what about Nancy Cooper?

Did she go running in the am too?

BTW, her case is not getting any attention.
Sad,

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't think so. I think she knew the killer was miles away. JMO

Nope, *she hugged Jason at the funeral and later asked to stay with him and C..

*according to posts.

Kat

[Jules2]

Spill !!!

I didn't hear this one.

So, is this why the weight loss?

Hmmm.

Very interesting.

Kat


You didn't hear this one because no one else heard it either. Yet it intrigues you, and you instantly "insinuate" that this is why Meredith lost her weight by posting your question.


It has been mentioned many times on this board that she lost the weight due to health reasons. I guess you don't believe that one, right?

It fell on deaf ears to the JII. But boy do the ears ever perk up when a "sinister" rumor is posted about her.

Unbelievable.


Justice for Michelle and Rylan

:rose:

[Caitriona]

Nope, *she hugged Jason at the funeral and later asked to stay with him and C..

*according to posts.

Kat


Maybe so. I don't think she'd have suspected Jason til she found out he was cheating on Michelle.

O

[Caitriona]

But you know people keep saying Michelle's Mom said all sorts of things at the funeral against Jason, and now you're saying Meredith hugged him and said he could stay with her. Like Swabby said, pick a lane.

O

[Barbara2]

Nope, *she hugged Jason at the funeral and later asked to stay with him and C..

*according to posts.

Kat

According to the rumors, she asked them to stay with her. There could have been ulterior motives. I can think of a couple but I don't care to share.

[Kat4Eagles]

Have you checked your PM"s lately?

:cough:

:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

According to the rumors, she asked them to stay with her. There could have been ulterior motives. I can think of a couple but I don't care to share.


I know, I know, she was going to pull an Amber Frey.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[Barbara2]

I know, I know, she was going to pull an Amber Frey.

:rolleyes:

Kat

I never thought of that. I suppose that could be another one if you think so.

[Kat4Eagles]

You didn't hear this one because no one else heard it either. Yet it intrigues you, and you instantly "insinuate" that this is why Meredith lost her weight by posting your question.


It has been mentioned many times on this board that she lost the weight due to health reasons. I guess you don't believe that one, right?

It fell on deaf ears to the JII. But boy do the ears ever perk up when a "sinister" rumor is posted about her.

Unbelievable.


Justice for Michelle and Rylan

:rose:

Well, Jules, it's like this.
We were told that Jason was a party boy and did not want any responsibilities of being all grown up!!

Then we find out that big boy owned a condo.

Then there is the famous shotgun wedding, not 1 but 2 of them.

And so on, and so on.

So, you are right.

Which one is it?

Beats me.

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Yes I have.

:cough:


Good for you.

Lot of that cough going around.

:)
Kat

[5swab5]

I know, I know, she was going to pull an Amber Frey.

:rolleyes:

Kat

Right idea, wrong woman. Does Michelle Money ring a bell? Wonder why she has been so silent after all this time?

I smell Grand Jury!


MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Right idea, wrong woman. Does Michelle Money ring a bell? Wonder why she has been so silent after all this time?

I smell Grand Jury!


MOO

Swabby


The GJ met for the 50th time this week since the murder.

2 years= approx 52 meetings..

2 more left.

10/7
10/21

Kat

[Jules2]

The GJ met for the 50th time this week since the murder.

2 years= approx 52 meetings..

2 more left.

10/7
10/21

Kat

Only two?

It looks like Meredith is home free! :beer:

[Kat4Eagles]

Right idea, wrong woman. Does Michelle Money ring a bell? Wonder why she has been so silent after all this time?

<snipped because I answered that part>


MOO

Swabby

Not necessarily.

How close were MF and Jason before all this?

If L E could have asked MF to wear a wire, it would have been easier because MM lived in Florida.

I guess there could have been some phone wire taps?

Do you think that was done?

But, then again, what could they have asked?

"Jason, did you kill Michelle to be with me?"

I am not sure about this.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Phone taps ? :lol:

"For 3 months, daily contact between JY and MM via e-mail and cell"

:rolleyes: after the murder, Bud............after the murder.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Only two?

It looks like Meredith is home free! :beer:



Was Jason going to file a wrongful death suit too?

:rolleyes:

Kat

[Caitriona]

Not necessarily.

How close were MF and Jason before all this?

If L E could have asked MF to wear a wire, it would have been easier because MM lived in Florida.

I guess there could have been some phone wire taps?

Do you think that was done?

But, then again, what could they have asked?

"Jason, did you kill Michelle to be with me?"

I am not sure about this.

Kat

How about

"Jason, did you kill Michelle cuz she caught you wearing her teddy?"

I'm not sure about that either.

[Kat4Eagles]

We know she is cozy with LE, as we know she identified JY in the Hampton Inn videos.

Best guess on the "Amber" is his former Georgia squeeze.


Shelle and Ryan made the ID too.
I wonder why it took 3 people.

:shrug:

Kat

[Barbara2]

Shelle and Ryan made the ID too.
I wonder why it took 3 people.



Kat

Sounds to me like they wanted no doubt. Why do you think that is?

[Kat4Eagles]

Yes, but Kim has until 12/08 for her SW to be unsealed.
There will surely be an arrest before then.



Good grief, not the "surely there will be an arrest" theme coming to a theatre near you.

Any link to the fact that it may be Kim?

I was thinking of someone else.

:cough: Mr. White.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Wow. It appears that the board has taken an interesting turn while I've been away. LOL

[Kat4Eagles]

Sounds to me like they wanted no doubt. Why do you think that is?



Probably had all 3 of them in there at different times discussing the case, and then showed them the video of Jason at the Hampton Inn and wanted to make sure that was him.

Heck, any of us here could have made the ID.

:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Wow. It appears that the board has taken an interesting turn while I've been away. LOL


Yep, Card, some of us are feeling the storm.

AC is having a Nor'easter.

Join in anywhere, we are having a good discussion.

:)
Kat

[Barbara2]

Probably had all 3 of them in there at different times discussing the case, and then showed them the video of Jason at the Hampton Inn and wanted to make sure that was him.

Heck, any of us here could have made the ID.



Kat

Or maybe not. Maybe we'll find out at the trial. JMO

[Cardinal]

Yep, Card, some of us are feeling the storm.

AC is having a Nor'easter.

Join in anywhere, we are having a good discussion.

:)
Kat

I know, I've been soggy all day.

Am I to understand that you are considering the possibility that Meredith and Jason may have had more than a familial relationship? I doubt it, Kat.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

I know, I've been soggy all day.

Am I to understand that you are considering the possibility that Meredith and Jason may have had more than a familial relationship? I doubt it, Kat.

JMO


Heck no, Card.
Finish catching up.
We were taling about wire taps and who gets to play Amber Frey, thats all !!
I doubt there was any crushing for MF on Jason's part.

:biggrin:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

:shrug:Seems Kat4Eagles just visted my personal page :lol:
Anyone else bestowed that honor lately ?


I am very friendly.
Did you want me to befriend you?

:)

Kat

[Cardinal]

Heck no, Card.
Finish catching up.
We were taling about wire taps and who gets to play Amber Frey, thats all !!
I doubt there was any crushing for MF on Jason's part.

:biggrin:

Kat


I don't have long, so I'll finish catching up later. And you're probably right about Jason. But, honestly, I think it's vice versa, too. :)

Goodnight! :seeya:

[annalyzer]

1st time poster from Brevard.
Jason was not at the beach all last week as reported on this blog.
However, he did go last Thursday with Heather and returned on Sunday.

Yes, the home crowd knows he killed Michelle.

And the home crowd knows that how?

[annalyzer]

We know Jason .

So? You didn't answer my question. How do you know Jason killed Michelle? Did he confess to you?

[annalyzer]

No confessions. Just an educated guess, I guess.


Well then you should have just said the home crowd believes Jason killed Michelle. A lot of people do. :shrug:

[5swab5]

1st time poster from Brevard.
Jason was not at the beach all last week as reported on this blog.
However, he did go last Thursday with Heather and returned on Sunday.

Yes, the home crowd knows he killed Michelle.

Welcome to the board Tavo!

Do you know if Pat got to go on another vacation, or was she baby-sitting at home this time?

I hope you have thick skin. It helps in these parts.:biggrin:

What's the scuttlebutt in Brevard around the soda fountain, hardware store, "DairyQueen", "Pizza Hut", P.O., Sears & Roebuck, Taxidermy stand and PD? (or churches...if you know)

Swabby


PMs will be fine, if you prefer.


^^^MOO^^^

[bookie]

Well then you should have just said the home crowd believes Jason killed Michelle. A lot of people do. :shrug:



I find it interesting that one poster poofs and a new one starts posting out of the blue. ;)

[Jules2]

I find it interesting that one poster poofs and a new one starts posting out of the blue. ;)


Yet just 2 short months ago you started posting "out of the blue". So what's your point?


IMO

[annalyzer]

However, the vast majority of people i talk to believe we have a murderer among us.


"Believe". Now that wasn't so hard was it?

[HI_CYCLE]

pe LE has also checked out their witness, the pappThanks for the warm welcome.
I have read here for months so i know there is a small group that will bash me for my opinions. I work at the college and the murder has been the popular talk for a long time, especially when the paper published the warrants from earlier this year. Yes, there are a few that still can't believe a Brevard native could/would do this. However, the vast majority of people i talk to believe we have a murderer among us.
Yes, it is embarrassing that Brevard is publicized for this reason.
I can tell you that most everyone feels for that precious little girl.
Holding her away from her mom's family is not right.Surely you jest about this being your first time posting. LMBO. I am also sure that those college kids are more worried about "that precious little girl",instead of why there has NOT been an arrest.
I am hoping LE has checked out their witness the newspaper delivery man. I personally have not thought of him before someone posted that Jenna was murdered and she delivered papers and Nancy Cooper was an earlier morning runner. I have posted that I believe a serial killer may be involved. Stranger things have been known to happen. I hope everyone will keep a open mind unless you prefer These women were murdered by their husbands.

[HI_CYCLE]

I assure you I am not "jesting" about my first posts here.
Why do you feel the need to be so hateful ?

A new york times delivery man sees a light SUV in a driveway and Jenna was delivering USA Today papers to a gas station and that somehow triggered your thought about a serial killer ?
Sorry, but i don't share your logic.I do NOT see anything hateful in my post. Just my opinion and you will have to get use to other posters having opinions. Four women have been murdered in the area and that is reason enough to suspect a serial killer. If you disagree,that is perfectly OK with me.

[JHP]

I assure you I am not "jesting" about my first posts here.
Why do you feel the need to be so hateful ?

A new york times delivery man sees a light SUV in a driveway and Jenna was delivering USA Today papers to a gas station and that somehow triggered your thought about a serial killer ?
Sorry, but i don't share your logic.


Welcome to the board:seeya: Sometimes it can get to be a little unfriendly here. Which is IMO too bad.

I posted yesterday about the paper delivery person. I just found it to be coincidental. NOT that I think a serial killer is in NC. I do think however there have been a number of murdered pregnant mothers in NC, Just as children who seem to disappear in FL.
Maybe it's something in the water.:shrug:

I am so happy that the NYT man came forward. I do believe his testimony if /when there is a trial will be extremly important.

JMO

[HI_CYCLE]

Welcome to the board:seeya: Sometimes it can get to be a little unfriendly here. Which is IMO too bad.

I posted yesterday about the paper delivery person. I just found it to be coincidental. NOT that I think a serial killer is in NC. I do think however there have been a number of murdered pregnant mothers in NC, Just as children who seem to disappear in FL.
Maybe it's something in the water.:shrug:

I am so happy that the NYT man came forward. I do believe his testimony if /when there is a trial will be extremly important.

JMO I hope you are correct and I certainly agree with you about our children in Florida and all over the US being murdered and kidnapped.:)

[HI_CYCLE]

Based on what I read, with the exception of the jenna case, all are domestic homicides. The 3 at the army or marine bases involved either the father of the baby or the husband. The nancy cooper murder is similar to Michelle's, in that the husband is under a cloud of suspicion and is apparently the prime suspect.

Even though a serial killer theory is preposterous imo,
at least that takes Meredith out of the picture for this poster.It takes no one out of the picture,for me. I just don`t have a closed mind to all possibilities. Just wanted to clear that up.;)

[5swab5]

(snip)
I am hoping LE has checked out their witness the newspaper delivery man. I personally have not thought of him before someone posted that Jenna was murdered and she delivered papers and Nancy Cooper was an earlier morning runner. I have posted that I believe a serial killer may be involved. Stranger things have been known to happen. I hope everyone will keep a open mind unless you prefer These women were murdered by their husbands.

I certainly don't prefer that these women were murdered by their husbands, but you are going to need more than one murder victim stuffed "paper boxes", one victim lived on the route of a newspaper carrier and another victim jogged early in the morning...to convince me of a serial killer

Why not go with the obvious, they had crappy husbands?:shrug:

MOO

Swabby

[JHP]

Based on what I read, with the exception of the jenna case, all are domestic homicides. The 3 at the army or marine bases involved either the father of the baby or the husband. The nancy cooper murder is similar to Michelle's, in that the husband is under a cloud of suspicion and is apparently the prime suspect.

Even though a serial killer theory is preposterous imo,
at least that takes Meredith out of the picture for this poster.

I think so too. I'm hoping that the NYT man was able to give LE more info then what was on the S/W. I have never thought of PDP as a neighborhood crime watch. I get 3 newspapers, I'm going to up my holiday gift for them.;)

[HI_CYCLE]

I certainly don't prefer that these women were murdered by their husbands, but you are going to need more than one murder victim stuffed "paper boxes", one victim lived on the route of a newspaper carrier and another victim jogged early in the morning...to convince me of a serial killer

Why not go with the obvious, they had crappy husbands?:shrug:

MOO

SwabbySwabby,you have me all wrong........ I am NOT trying to convince anyone of anything. I could care less what you and others believe, I just want the correct person who killed Michelle arrested. I don`t just want the husband arrested and that is why I am open minded to other possibilities. If crappy husbands were all murderers we would not need courts to dissolve marriages. On the other hand just because some have had crappy husband they were not murdered. Just because some men have crappy wives does not make crappy wives murderers. HAGD..:)

[HI_CYCLE]

As long as Jason is still on your list too, that is swell.

Jason is off my list because he has an alibi and I don`t believe LE can break it. I believe as closely as he has been investigated if he had murdered Michell LE would have found evidence in these 22 plus months. I believe LE made a big mistake by NOT doing a dual investigation on who murdered Michelle and has lost time and evidence. MOOOC..

[HI_CYCLE]

Alibi? If someone can produce video footage for me of Jason being in the hotel between 1 - 4 am ...or use of his keycard to get back into the room, or testimony of witnesses seeing him in that hotel during those times....then I would say I can remove him.

I still agree with others that say his trip to the front desk was to get on video again or be seen again as late as possible to make the trip back to Raleigh to kill Michelle *a tight squeeze*. Unfortunately, there is a big difference between *a tight squeeze* and impossible.

Oh, and one other thing that would help remove him from suspicion for me would be if they actually found the dark shirt and it was unscathed...
You write you think "his trip to the front desk was to get on video again or be seen again". Do you really believe he would have worn the shirt he committed the murder wearing and would be identified on that video that he purposely wanted documented?:shrug:

[5swab5]

You write you think "his trip to the front desk was to get on video again or be seen again". Do you really believe he would have worn the shirt he committed the murder wearing and would be identified on that video that he purposely wanted documented?:shrug:

I certainly do.

Remember the failed strangulation attempt?

No way was the bloody mess plan A.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

It takes no one out of the picture,for me. I just don`t have a closed mind to all possibilities. Just wanted to clear that up.;)


Me either, anyone and everyone close to Michelle are being looked at and they have never said differently.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

1st time poster from Brevard.
.


:cough:

Kat

[lilismom]

You write you think "his trip to the front desk was to get on video again or be seen again". Do you really believe he would have worn the shirt he committed the murder wearing and would be identified on that video that he purposely wanted documented?:shrug:

Why didn't he document his return to his room after being seen the last time in the video?

IMO, he wanted to be seen on the video at the front desk at an hour that would make it appear impossible that he could have made the drive back. Beats me why he didn't realize there were cameras in other places recording his comings and goings.

If he had everything with him when he got to his mother's house and took nothing out and returned home straight away, where is the shirt? I know, I know they searched so many months later here and there and here and there. Anything could have happened to it. What though? Did he get rid of every single article of clothing he owned and start fresh? I could buy that, maybe, but why wasn't the shirt in his luggage?

IMO, he didn't plan on getting bloody. I believe there was a plan, and apparently it was good enough to keep him out of jail this long but he missed things like why not have two identical shirts just in case? Think it never crossed his mind that he might get bloody? Never crossed his mind that he wouldn't be able to overpower and strangle his little, pregnant wife quietly with his precious baby girl sleeping just steps away?

The blood changed everything and he sure underestimated Michelle.

If he did it, of course.

IMO,
Lilismom

[lilismom]

I agree with you Hi_Cycle.
I think he was clueless to the video cameras.
If he was aware, he was mighty stupid.
Often these cameras are very small and mounted so they are not obvious,

Welcome Tavo!

The front desk clerk was probably interviewed right away. It will be interested to see what he remembers. What did he ask for the second time at the desk? He probably could have called for anything he wanted from his room. Why the need to go out to the desk and in different clothing yet?

IMO,
Lilismom

[HI_CYCLE]

I don`t think he was playing to the camera's, if so he would have worn a different shirt then what he would be wearing to murder Michelle.When you have nothing to hide you don`t think of camera`s that anyone with a little common sense knows are everywhere in this day and time. When I am somewhere I don`t even think of camera`s because I don`t intend to break rules are laws.

[Kat4Eagles]

Why do you need to be so rude! You did the same little immature :cough: thing to me when I started posting here. You have been so rude to everyone who has an opinion that Jason murdered Michelle.

How do you get away with being so rude to the other posters here?


Coughing is not rude, I covered my mouth.

Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

If he wanted to plant an alibi he was still there are 12 am, he could have simply called Michelle or a friend at that hour. Clear time stamp from Hillsville Va. IMO, no way he shows up at the front desk wearing different clothes to be seen on video. If he was aware of the camera, he would have also realized he was being filmed walking toward the side exit door with a pair of gloves in his hand (JMO)
A pair of gloves in his hands? LMBO.....You really bought in to that photo-shopping by our long time banned poster? Now that is funny.:lol:

[HI_CYCLE]

Welcome Tavo!

The front desk clerk was probably interviewed right away. It will be interested to see what he remembers. What did he ask for the second time at the desk? He probably could have called for anything he wanted from his room. Why the need to go out to the desk and in different clothing yet?

IMO,
LilismomMaybe change for the vending machine`s? Just a wild guess.

[lilismom]

Maybe change for the vending machine`s? Just a wild guess.

Could very well be. Could be something as innocent as that.

Wonder if there is video of him getting a coke and a bag of chips to take back to his room?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Kat4Eagles]

A pair of gloves in his hands? LMBO.....You really bought in to that photo-shopping by our long time banned poster? Now that is funny.:lol:




See what no arrest has can do to some people?
Imaginary gloves now~~
I am waiting for a roll of duct tape to fall out of his pocket next.
:)
Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

Could very well be. Could be something as innocent as that.

Wonder if there is video of him getting a coke and a bag of chips to take back to his room?

IMO,
Lilismom:shrug:
As I said,just a guess.

[lilismom]

See what no arrest has can do to some people?
Imaginary gloves now~~
I am waiting for a roll of duct tape to fall out of his pocket next.
:)
Kat

For the record. I don't see gloves in his hand.

I'm more concerned with where he is going in different clothes and why there is no re-entry into his room with his keycard?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Kat4Eagles]

Welcome Tavo!

The front desk clerk was probably interviewed right away. It will be interested to see what he remembers. What did he ask for the second time at the desk? He probably could have called for anything he wanted from his room. Why the need to go out to the desk and in different clothing yet?

IMO,
Lilismom


He needed something from his car, or he needed to put something back in his car.

???


Kat

[bookie]

If he wanted to plant an alibi he was still there are 12 am, he could have simply called Michelle or a friend at that hour. Clear time stamp from Hillsville Va. IMO, no way he shows up at the front desk wearing different clothes to be seen on video. If he was aware of the camera, he would have also realized he was being filmed walking toward the side exit door with a pair of gloves in his hand (JMO)



It is only the imaginings of another board that he had gloves in his hand. He had a piece of paper in his hands.

[Kat4Eagles]

For the record. I don't see gloves in his hand.

>snipped>

IMO,
Lilismom


Thank goodness.!!

Kat

[bookie]

Could very well be. Could be something as innocent as that.

Wonder if there is video of him getting a coke and a bag of chips to take back to his room?

IMO,
Lilismom


I wonder if the stairs or snack area are next to the door he was seen walking towards. One poster here has said she stayed at a Hampton Inn and the stairs are beside the door. If so then it's very possible he was heading toward the stairs or to get a snack. I doubt the police would release video of him that is possibly exculpatory.

[Kat4Eagles]

It is only the imaginings of another board that he had gloves in his hand. He had a piece of paper in his hands.

This was after he told the clerk, his plans to return to Raleigh, and needed a secret map of hidden highways in the mountains that wouldn't use up too much gas or have him encounter any roadblocks.

This was due to the fact that it was well thought out and a perfectly executed plan.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[bookie]

Yet just 2 short months ago you started posting "out of the blue". So what's your point?


IMO



Wrong. I never pretended I was new to posting. I admitted I took a break from this case and had been banned on another topic. I was here when this case started (how do you think I knew about the poster who went to see the autopsy photos and his claims about Meredith's impending arrest for stealing from cassidy's fund?) and will be here through the end.

[lilismom]

He needed something from his car, or he needed to put something back in his car.

???


Kat

So he needed to ask the clerk's permission? Of course I'm kidding.

Maybe that's the case. Maybe he just went to get his, I don't know, phone out of the car? Explain then, wWhy no re-entry with his keycard back into the room? Please don't tell me that he left his room door open to go all the way down to the car. It is just too unbelievable. Ice, maybe. Vending machine, maybe, but back out to the car? Nah. Who is that trusting of strangers in a hotel? Plus, its a swipe and your back in the room. Its not like he had an armful of groceries and 14 locks to unlock when coming back from the car.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Kat4Eagles]

I wonder if the stairs or snack area are next to the door he was seen walking towards. One poster here has said she stayed at a Hampton Inn and the stairs are beside the door. If so then it's very possible he was heading toward the stairs or to get a snack. I doubt the police would release video of him that is possibly exculpatory.


Nahhh,it can't be anything that innocent.

It has to be evil and sinister.

He has to be getting his knit cap, gloves, rope, duct tape, crowbar ready.

All the things a serial killer uses.

Didn't you ever read "A Stranger Besides Me?"

Kat

[lilismom]

I wonder if the stairs or snack area are next to the door he was seen walking towards. One poster here has said she stayed at a Hampton Inn and the stairs are beside the door. If so then it's very possible he was heading toward the stairs or to get a snack. I doubt the police would release video of him that is possibly exculpatory.

I think what they did release was to show the clothing change more than to show where he was headed. How can one tell from the pictures where in the hotel he is unless you, like some have, do the research. I wouldn't have. So you're thinking there may be video of him after the midnight desk and hallway appearance?

I could see leaving the door open to get a snack if it was on your same floor and close to the room but to go downstairs? Back to the front desk for change and then to get the snack and you left the room door open? Nah. Not me anyway.

IMO,
Lilismom

[HI_CYCLE]

I don't think too many people think about those cameras.

Tavo, what is the word around Brevard as far as the possibility that Jason had help murdering Michelle?
Objection,hearsay.:no:
Just kiddddddddddding.

[Kat4Eagles]

So he needed to ask the clerk's permission? Of course I'm kidding.

Maybe that's the case. Maybe he just went to get his, I don't know, phone out of the car? Explain then, wWhy no re-entry with his keycard back into the room? Please don't tell me that he left his room door open to go all the way down to the car. It is just too unbelievable. Ice, maybe. Vending machine, maybe, but back out to the car? Nah. Who is that trusting of strangers in a hotel? Plus, its a swipe and your back in the room. Its not like he had an armful of groceries and 14 locks to unlock when coming back from the car.

IMO,
Lilismom

Maybe he was just feeling chatty, or he had a joke to tell.
You know, goofy Jason and all that.
Maybe he had a magic trick, or was going to show off and swallow a pen set.

That Jason, you never know what he is going to do.
One minute he is walking Michelle back to the car, the next minute he is down on one knee proposing to her.

He's a real knee slapper, that guy.
Gotta love him.


Seriously, who the heck is around in the hallway at midnite to steal your stuff?

They have video cameras on every floor where I stay.

He may have just been going down to the lobby for all we know, and on the way back, decided to make sure he locked the car.

Who knows?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Objection,hearsay.:no:
Just kiddddddddddding.


Gosh Hi~C, what do you think the people in Brevard will say?
I can't wait, can you?

Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

For the record. I don't see gloves in his hand.

I'm more concerned with where he is going in different clothes and why there is no re-entry into his room with his keycard?

IMO,
LilismomHe may have intended to run to the vending machine and did not lock his door Many people prop their door to run get ice or a drink from the machines. When he open his wallet discovered he had NO dollar bills,run to the office got change,back to the vending machines then on to his room that he left propped. Just that innocent. Again,just a guess because it has happened to me more then one time.

[lilismom]

Seriously, who the heck is around in the hallway at midnite to steal your stuff?

They have video cameras on every floor where I stay.

He may have just been going down to the lobby for all we know, and on the way back, decided to make sure he locked the car.

Who knows?

Kat[/QUOTE]

SNIPPED.

He was. In the hallways at around midnight.

Was his room on the first floor and/or close to the lobby? If not and maybe even if so, I find it too hard to believe that he or anyone would leave their room open for anything more than a few short minutes to grab ice or some such if it was close by.

Why would you leave the room open at all when re-entry is so simple?

IMO,
Lilismom

[lilismom]

He may have intended to run to the vending machine and did not lock his door Many people prop their door to run get ice or a drink from the machines. When he open his wallet discovered he had NO dollar bills,run to the office got change,back to the vending machines then on to his room that he left propped. Just that innocent. Again,just a guess because it has happened to me more then one time.

Again, it will be interesting to hear what the clerk remembers.

Anyone know if there is even anything on the doors at this hotel that you could "prop" the door open with? One of those lock flipper things? Anyone know if this one did? If not, how much trouble do you go thru to prop the door with something else when keycard re-entry is so simple?

IMO,
Lilismom

[HI_CYCLE]

Bad luck for Jason, he had no change, had to prop open his door and "innocently" get change for a vending machine, failed to use his key card again, and all on the same night Michelle was murdered.

What bad luck. Not necessarily, it is something an innocent person would do. The SW did NOT say he never re-entered his room,only he didn`t use his key. That is called, creative writing to get a SW.

[HI_CYCLE]

Again, it will be interesting to hear what the clerk remembers.

Anyone know if there is even anything on the doors at this hotel that you could "prop" the door open with? One of those lock flipper things? Anyone know if this one did? If not, how much trouble do you go thru to prop the door with something else when keycard re-entry is so simple?

IMO,
LilismomAll rooms have those " flipper" things, they are there so house keeping can not enter your room while you are in room,maybe running around half naked. MOO

[bookie]

I think what they did release was to show the clothing change more than to show where he was headed. How can one tell from the pictures where in the hotel he is unless you, like some have, do the research. I wouldn't have. So you're thinking there may be video of him after the midnight desk and hallway appearance?

I could see leaving the door open to get a snack if it was on your same floor and close to the room but to go downstairs? Back to the front desk for change and then to get the snack and you left the room door open? Nah. Not me anyway.

IMO,
Lilismom



What you or I would do doesn't really mean anything but I can give you a reasonable scenario.

He heads for the vending machine after propping his door open with the latch. Once at the vending machines he finds he has no change, it's late and thinks "it's late, most people are sleeping and I'll only be gone a minute" then runs down the stairs to get some change, a quick stop at the vending machines then back up the stairs to his room.

The different shirt is just as easy. He grabbed the first shirt on hand to throw on while he went to the vending machine. And no matter how much people ridicule June she has a point. Jason's hair on the hallway video is darker then on the front desk video so it is possible the police have been loking for the wrong shirt all along, that the one he had on was lighter in color and they missed it because they were looking for the darker one.

[bookie]

Bad luck for Jason, he had no change, had to prop open his door and "innocently" get change for a vending machine, failed to use his key card again, and all on the same night Michelle was murdered.

What bad luck.


According to the sw's Jason and Michelle almost always used their debit/credit cards for most purchases. You don't get change back from debit/credit purchases. It's entirely possible he had no change or bills for the vending machine.

[HI_CYCLE]

You forgot that he made a call to Meredith to make her go to the house, someone there that early morning was wearing a pair of shoes that matches a pair that he owns, the paper person saw a light colored SUV, and his shirt that he wore to go get the change for the vending machine is now missing.

Wow, he is one UNLUCKY dude.There has been NO,I repeat, NO proof that the shoe prints come from shoes owned by Jason. I also don`t recall LE was looking for the shirt seen in the video. I may be wrong and if I am someone will correct me. Jason does NOT drive a light COLORED SUV,his is white.Big difference white VS light colored.Most people knows that and if the PM can see good enough to see the SUV backed in the drive way he could see the car SUV was NOT white. Lets stick to the facts that have been released to the public.

[bookie]

I thought of another thing...I don't put shoes on if I am just running down the hall to the vending machine....anyone else?

Also...one the issue of the shirt. Even if the color is off, they would certainly be able to tell if something is reasonably the same. I mean, it wasn't white. It was "darker" and it had a stripe. They could have experts check the video against items they seized. This one doesn't fly with me.


I wear shoes everywhere even at home but that doesn't prove that Jason did or didn't.

If the police focused on that dark colored shirt they could have missed a lighter colored one. You may think not but what you think and reality are 2 different things.

[HI_CYCLE]

I thought of another thing...I don't put shoes on if I am just running down the hall to the vending machine....anyone else?

Also...one the issue of the shirt. Even if the color is off, they would certainly be able to tell if something is reasonably the same. I mean, it wasn't white. It was "darker" and it had a stripe. They could have experts check the video against items they seized. This one doesn't fly with me.
I would NEVER in a hundred years walk outside a room with out shoes. Do you realize the filth on the carpets? I don`t even walk inside the room barefooted. Geez...Sorry if I sound paranoid,that is just wrong......

[bookie]

Again, it will be interesting to hear what the clerk remembers.

Anyone know if there is even anything on the doors at this hotel that you could "prop" the door open with? One of those lock flipper things? Anyone know if this one did? If not, how much trouble do you go thru to prop the door with something else when keycard re-entry is so simple?

IMO,
Lilismom


Less pricey motels have those latches on the doors. I've never been in any hotel or motel that doesn't since they were first used.

[5swab5]

For the record. I don't see gloves in his hand.

I'm more concerned with where he is going in different clothes and why there is no re-entry into his room with his keycard?

IMO,
Lilismom

I'm not sure what is in his hand either. It does look like a sheet of paper, but the darker image on it could be anything.

The lighting is bad in the hallway, but depending on where the lights are located, that dark splotch could just be the shadow from a sprinkler head.

MOO

Swabby

[lilismom]

What you or I would do doesn't really mean anything but I can give you a reasonable scenario.

He heads for the vending machine after propping his door open with the latch. Once at the vending machines he finds he has no change, it's late and thinks "it's late, most people are sleeping and I'll only be gone a minute" then runs down the stairs to get some change, a quick stop at the vending machines then back up the stairs to his room.

The different shirt is just as easy. He grabbed the first shirt on hand to throw on while he went to the vending machine. And no matter how much people ridicule June she has a point. Jason's hair on the hallway video is darker then on the front desk video so it is possible the police have been loking for the wrong shirt all along, that the one he had on was lighter in color and they missed it because they were looking for the darker one.

Could be. Did he have the keycard in his wallet with the dollar bills though? Did he leave the keycard in the room? Why prop the door at all when keycard entry is so simple. Like you said though, that's just me and what I would do.

I try not to ridicule anyone for their opinions, in fact, this is the most I have posted here in a LONG time.

Perhaps in the photos it appears that way but maybe on the actual video footage it is crystal clear that it is different? And was it actual video or just frame by frame shots if that makes any sense.

IMO,
Lilismom

[bookie]

I didn't say barefoot, did I? I run down in my socks, and I have a hunch I am not the only person. And as for the filth? Those hallways and carpets get vacuumed more than just about anyone's home I have been in.



Vacuuming doesn't get out germs. People step in dog poo and track it onto carpets. They step in spit and God only knows what else then track in onto carpets. Small children have accidents. Vacuums don't get that out of carpets.

[bookie]

I didn't say barefoot, did I? I run down in my socks, and I have a hunch I am not the only person. And as for the filth? Those hallways and carpets get vacuumed more than just about anyone's home I have been in (it was a Hampton, not a pay by the hour motel).

So, should I infer you are calling me a filthy person? I mean, that is what JII usually do to my posts...



Nice twisting there. :rolleyes:

[Amy]

Re-read what I wrote. I did not say the prints were from shoes owned by Jason. I said the prints were of shoes that matched a pair that Jason owned. There is a difference -- I didn't say they were definitely his. We won't be able to tell that because apparently they cannot be found now.

And, I didn't say the newspaper person saw a white SUV did I? No, the paper delivery person saw a light colored SUV. That is all I stated.

I remember a case on a Forensic Files sort of show where people had seen what they tho't was a reddish/pinkish pickup leave the scene of a murder. What they actually saw was a WHITE pickup, the color being distorted by the glow of the street lamps. So, if there were any street lights, a white SUV could actually look like a light-colored SUV, IMO.

[annalyzer]

I didn't say barefoot, did I? I run down in my socks, and I have a hunch I am not the only person. And as for the filth? Those hallways and carpets get vacuumed more than just about anyone's home I have been in (it was a Hampton, not a pay by the hour motel).

So, should I infer you are calling me a filthy person? I mean, that is what JII usually do to my posts...

No, you're not the only person. The hallways are generally just as clean as the floors in the rooms.

[Kat4Eagles]

I remember a case on a Forensic Files sort of show where people had seen what they tho't was a reddish/pinkish pickup leave the scene of a murder. What they actually saw was a WHITE pickup, the color being distorted by the glow of the street lamps. So, if there were any street lights, a white SUV could actually look like a light-colored SUV, IMO.


Guys, I am going to close this thread and start a new one for the weekend, since I am going to be around, I think.

Amy, will you bring this post over, and will everyone else please move over too?

Thank you.

:)
Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

I didn't say barefoot, did I? I run down in my socks, and I have a hunch I am not the only person. And as for the filth? Those hallways and carpets get vacuumed more than just about anyone's home I have been in (it was a Hampton, not a pay by the hour motel).

So, should I infer you are calling me a filthy person? I mean, that is what JII usually do to my posts...I am in NO way calling you filthy person, I would never do that. I am just a clean freak and you did not mention you wore socks.

[annalyzer]

I would NEVER in a hundred years walk outside a room with out shoes. Do you realize the filth on the carpets? I don`t even walk inside the room barefooted. Geez...Sorry if I sound paranoid,that is just wrong......


Do you sleep in the bed? Do you realize how many people have slept in those beds? :eek:

[lilismom]

[QUOTE=onederwomyn;12189151]I thought of another thing...I don't put shoes on if I am just running down the hall to the vending machine....anyone else?



Depends. If I just got to the room and I'm running down for ice right away then yea, I probably still have my shoes on. If I had been in the room for about an hour and I'm not planning to go back out, then decide I'm thirsty or need a Snickers, probably a safe bet that I have my shoes off and would just run down in socks. Done it in socks and onederwomyn, even in barefeet :).

IMO,
Lilismom

[Kat4Eagles]

THREAD IS CLOSED.

I just emailed CW to do it officially..

Kat

[bookie]

So, you just take your shoes off when you sit on the edge of the bed and then immediately put them back on to go the bathroom in the room, etc.? Your feet never hit the floor of the hotel room? Though the hallway still sees a bit more traffic, the room still sees all of those things you mentioned above.

Perhaps you wear slippers constantly. Do you never take your shoes off at home? I mean...if you wear the slippers at the hotel and then go home and wear them without washing them...you are tracking in the hotel's germs, right? And if you do wash them, what are you wearing on your feet while you wash them?


This isn't about me but I own a couple of pairs of slippers and even more sandals. And I own a steam cleaner and clean my carpets once a month. I don't walk barefooted anywhere. My feet are always covered by some type of shoe.

[HI_CYCLE]

So, you just take your shoes off when you sit on the edge of the bed and then immediately put them back on to go the bathroom in the room, etc.? Your feet never hit the floor of the hotel room? Though the hallway still sees a bit more traffic, the room still sees all of those things you mentioned above.

Perhaps you wear slippers constantly. Do you never take your shoes off at home? I mean...if you wear the slippers at the hotel and then go home and wear them without washing them...you are tracking in the hotel's germs, right? And if you do wash them, what are you wearing on your feet while you wash them?I can honestly say NO ONE will ever see my feet on the floor,out of the shower onto my towel and into my slippers. I also admit I own probably 7 or 8 pair of slippers.

[Kat4Eagles]

I can honestly say NO ONE will ever see my feet on the floor,out of the shower onto my towel and into my slippers. I also admit I own probably 7 or 8 pair of slippers.


NEW THREAD.

:cough:

I am over there by myself>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Kat

[annalyzer]

Even though a serial killer theory is preposterous imo,
at least that takes Meredith out of the picture for this poster.

Oh another complete stranger worried about whether Meredith is looked at as a suspect? Too funny. :hat:

[daddydidit]

Guys, I am going to close this thread and start a new one for the weekend, since I am going to be around, I think.

Amy, will you bring this post over, and will everyone else please move over too?

Thank you.

:)
Kat

so kat, would that mean that if you weren't going to be here that there wouldn't be a thread for the weekend?

i thought anyone could post here.:confused: