Michelle Fisher Young, Sept. 21 to 25

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE=janesdean;12169018]OMG !!!! Junie, I think you've got the missing piece to this puzzle, the proof ! you've found it !! That is sooooo.....amazing..OMG!!...AMAZING!!
oh, there's a word getting about as worn out as "random" or "awesome".
Don't you have kids Junie ? Teenagers ? random...... /QUOTE]



MF is no teenager, she is 27 and used the word recently on the site that was posted here earlier today.


There goes that :no: icon.
:(

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Thanks for proving my point. :rolleyes:


Look at the Dyleski case.

:(

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Actually I was just proving the fact that this murder was done by someone who had ALOT of hatred towards Michelle, someone that knew her very well. Someone very strong and quite a bit larger than her to overpower her and do the damage that was done. Someone like Jason Young, her husband and the father of that baby that was also beaten to a pulp, hardly a stranger burglarizing the place.


Once again, Scott Dyleski killed Pam in such a manner.
Overkill and for something he only thought she did.
:(

Kat

[bookie]

Actually I was just proving the fact that this murder was done by someone who had ALOT of hatred towards Michelle, someone that knew her very well. Someone very strong and quite a bit larger than her to overpower her and do the damage that was done. Someone like Jason Young, her husband and the father of that baby that was also beaten to a pulp, hardly a stranger burglarizing the place.


The pair of killers allegedly broke into the Petit family home to burglarize it like they had done to dozens of other homes and businesses in the past. Finding the Petit family home, snipped for relevancy.


A suspicious bank employee notified police who rushed to the Petit home, only to find Mrs. Petit strangled and dead on the ground floor of her home. The charred body of Hayley was at the top of the home's staircase, and Michaela was strapped to her bed, dead. Dr. Petit, who had been beaten on his head with a baseball bat and tied up in the basement, was eventually able to free himself from his bindings to hop up the basement stairs to escape the blaze that had been set by his assailants.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19957752/

How much hatred do you think these 2 STRANGERS had to do what they did to this family when they broke into their home to burglarize it? And notice the husband was beaten in the head. The 11 year old was strapped to her bed before the home was set on fire. So please spare me the crap that strangers don't go into overkill when FACTS prove you wrong.

[bookie]

Look at the Dyleski case.

:(

Kat


And the Petit case, among others. Here's another.



It was here, in the comfort and relatively safety of their own home that Bryan, Kathryn and their two young daughters were bound and then slashed, stabbed and in one or more cases, brutally beaten to death. Next the consciousless mass murderers (four or more murders at the same location) set the Harvey’s house on fire to cover their horrific crimes and fled with a few items taken from the now lifeless home.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10777028/

Ricky Gray confessed to killing this family with a knife and a claw hammer. He was a stranger to the family. In the beginning police claimed it wasn't a random crime but it turned out to be exactly that.

[annalyzer]

snip~
How much hatred do you think these 2 STRANGERS had to do what they did to this family when they broke into their home to burglarize it? And notice the husband was beaten in the head. The 11 year old was strapped to her bed before the home was set on fire. So please spare me the crap that strangers don't go into overkill when FACTS prove you wrong.


Yes it happens but the majority of the time when a woman is murdered, especially a pregnant woman, the killer turns out to be her husband, boyfriend, ex, etc.

[bookie]

Yes it happens but the majority of the time when a woman is murdered, especially a pregnant woman, the killer turns out to be her husband, boyfriend, ex, etc.


But not always. Jenna Neilsen wasn't murdered by her husband.

[annalyzer]

But not always. Jenna Neilsen wasn't murdered by her husband.

A majority of the time does not mean always.

[bookie]

A majority of the time does not mean always.


:rolleyes:

[Lacibug]

Have you never been sick and taken meds that make you feel high? I sure have and find nothing odd about that message at all. JMHO.


I haven't but of course someone who has been there, done that would defend it. I have yet to see anyone abuse drugs and not get defensive or go into denial. Betty Ford did it for years.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050412/news_lz1c12addict.html

"Alcoholics and drug addicts live a life of denial. They'll tell you everything is just fine and nothing is wrong with them. They're great actors," says Susan Ford Bales, daughter of former President Gerald Ford and Betty Ford, who recently became chairman of the Betty Ford Center in Rancho Mirage. "But, after you see the signs and the changes, you know they're lying. You know they're in trouble."

[Lacibug]

Get real, she plainly states she had been sick for two weeks, and the high she referred to was the feeling of being out of it because of the medication she took for her illness and having worked 6 days that week.
We really don't need the spin, your post is a rerun of about 30 previous ones. You needa go :read: lady

Nah, I don't buy that at all. Maybe you'll come up with a scenario the jury will believe but I doubt it.

[Lacibug]

I don't believe that Meredith referring to her mom as a lizzard has to be a derogatory term. My siblings and I referred to my mom as an old bat and it wasn't meant as anything other than a term of endearment and she knew it too and loved her nicname.

I was never that disrespectful to my mom. Calling your mother "an old bat" isn't a term of endearment. You're kidding yourself if you think she "loved" such ridicule. The poor woman has my sympathy.

:rose:

MOO

[HI_CYCLE]

Actually I was just proving the fact that this murder was done by someone who had ALOT of hatred towards Michelle, someone that knew her very well. Someone very strong and quite a bit larger than her to overpower her and do the damage that was done. Someone like Jason Young, her husband and the father of that baby that was also beaten to a pulp, hardly a stranger burglarizing the place.Unless that person was whacked out on drugs,happens all the time.Maybe someone felt threaten by her and what she knew,my mind is open to many scenarios,unlike the JHTDI.
I really have a hard time as how strangers can be so full of hate when they don`t even know Jayson Young. Maybe some of you just get high off of hate. MOPO

[HI_CYCLE]

Once again, Scott Dyleski killed Pam in such a manner.
Overkill and for something he only thought she did.
:(

Kat
Kat,was he also on drugs? I don`t remember.

[HI_CYCLE]

Yes it happens but the majority of the time when a woman is murdered, especially a pregnant woman, the killer turns out to be her husband, boyfriend, ex, etc.And... That is why all the search warrants have been on the spouse. SW are used to R/O not just to convict.I am convinced LE knows this husband is not one of the statistics

[HI_CYCLE]

But not always. Jenna Neilsen wasn't murdered by her husband.I hear he has moved his family back where they were living prior to moving to Raleigh. He is trying to move on with his life just like JY is. I also heard he is enrolling in law school. I wish him and his family a good life and they can move on and start a new life. His children deserve that.

[HI_CYCLE]

A majority of the time does not mean always.
Thank you.

[5swab5]

I have tried to several times.


Burglary gone wrong is one. After being confronted Michelle is killed, some jewelry stolen and it's done. I even posted links showing burglars do kill when confronted.

Soon as Jason comes up with that missing shirt and HushPuppies, I'll look into burglars.

MOO

Swabby

[Barbara2]

I have tried to several times.


Burglary gone wrong is one. After being confronted Michelle is killed, some jewelry stolen and it's done. I even posted links showing burglars do kill when confronted.

That's a possible theory but not a probable one. Where is the evidence to support burglary gone wrong?

[Barbara2]

Look at the Dyleski case.

:(

Kat


And look how quickly they were able to eliminate the husband as a suspect and find the killer.

[annalyzer]

Jenna Neilsen wasn't murdered by her husband.

Last I heard her murderer hadn't been caught. Her husband said he was at home with the children. Not a solid alibi.

[annalyzer]

And... That is why all the search warrants have been on the spouse. SW are used to R/O not just to convict.I am convinced LE knows this husband is not one of the statistics


They could've fooled me.

[Barbara2]

I wouldn't even start down this road again. I went round and round with him on probability a few days ago.

I, too, conceded that it is possible, but NOT LIKELY. This was supported by the FBI crime statistics. And there were links after links of the exception put up. But they were just that, exceptions. So, if we start down this path, I think we should start putting links to any burglary article that did not end in murder -- they will far outnumber those that did.

Apparently, they don't even like it when we concede it could be a possibility.

There are many more things that are possibilities too -- the paper man, the neighbor, aliens....

I'm curious what evidence from this particular crime scene supports a theory of burglary gone wrong. In the cases that are cited as examples, it was known pretty quickly that it was stranger murderers because they left evidence behind. We've heard nothing like that in this case that I am aware of.

[Kat4Eagles]

I think there's another thread about that crime. This thread is about Michelle Young, a pregnant mother that was murdered in the middle of the night while she slept in her bed.


:no:
We don't know that.
Michelle could have been killed at midnite before she went to bed, and could explain why all the lights were still on.
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

And look how quickly they were able to eliminate the husband as a suspect and find the killer.



Not before a lot of people suspected him, even some of his peers.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Kat,was he also on drugs? I don`t remember.


Yep,Hi~C, he was a mess.


PS:

I am headed out of town for the day, please PM me a copy or confirmation of the GJ indictment should it go down.

Thank you.
:seeya:

Kat

[HI_CYCLE]

They could've fooled me.You don`t think the earlier SW`s were to R/I or R/O?You had a crime scene in the home, LE had to have SW`s to remove evidence.You have a wife murdered,husband out of town,SW`s had to be obtained to seize and search his vehicle. Because of a sloppy investigation, LE needed another SW to return to crime scene to do measurements and collect deck boards. All of these had to have search warrants to investigate,
My question is why did LE wait so long to look for shoes and shirts, 4 MONTHS??? Why wait when you have a pillow case with visible bloody shoe prints and video of Jason`s shirt he was seen in the night the murder occurred. WHY not like STAT????? Why wait till Feb. of 2008 to look for shoes and shirt???? Maybe someone has some answers for these questions.
Good morning to E1 even the JDI:)

[5swab5]

When this murder first happened her my space was open to the public. She wrote freely about her drug use. A lot of people saw those posts. So we are not making up things we are posting what MF posted about herself. That was in 2006 and she was using drugs then , she said she was.

I am so sure that young people never embellish anything that they put on their "face book" or "myspace" pages.

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

You don`t think the earlier SW`s were to R/I or R/O?You had a crime scene in the home, LE had to have SW`s to remove evidence.You have a wife murdered,husband out of town,SW`s had to be obtained to seize and search his vehicle. Because of a sloppy investigation, LE needed another SW to return to crime scene to do measurements and collect deck boards. All of these had to have search warrants to investigate,
My question is why did LE wait so long to look for shoes and shirts, 4 MONTHS??? Why wait when you have a pillow case with visible bloody shoe prints and video of Jason`s shirt he was seen in the night the murder occurred. WHY not like STAT????? Why wait till Feb. of 2008 to look for shoes and shirt???? Maybe someone has some answers for these questions.
Good morning to E1 even the JDI:)

I don't know the answers to your questions. All I can see is that LE is focused on JY. I think it would be very cruel and unusual for LE to be looking at someone else this whole time while leading the public to believe Jason is the suspect in his wife's murder.

[Wyn]

Zed, check your pm's. Thanks.

[daddydidit]

I understand the need to unleash at times and you have no idea how many times I have sat on my hands...but people are entitled to their opinions, even as unfounded as many of them are.

We know that Meredith had nothing to do with the murder and the Fishers are good people. Nothing that is said is going to make me think otherwise, even if they say it repeatedly. I am pretty sure the general population are with us on these things, so why defend them? In one ear and out the other...

Now...onto a different subject. Does anyone think that perhaps Jason's mom is afraid of her son? Perhaps that is what has drove some of her actions (not attending services, taking them places, etc.).


I think if she isn't, she should be.

[Lacibug]

Maybe you haven't known enough people that are on a high after a day of parapanting, or heliskiing, or even snow shoeing in the mountains. It's amazing what kind of highs are available without drugs. Try it sometime.

I find it unlikely Meredith Fisher participated in any of those activities prior to making postings on the Internet and so will a jury.

JMO

[Lacibug]

Maybe she was murdered at around 2:30 in the morning, and the murderer turned on some lights as he was cleaning up. Maybe the murderer turned on the indoor garage lights, the kitchen lights, the front hall lights, maybe the back hall lights, and from a distance it looked like all the lights were on. In fact, those lights would be enough to make it look like lights were on throughout the house.

It seems the murderer did turn on enough lights to make the home noticeable to someone else in the neighborhood daily. All those lights on wouldn't be necessary for someone who lived there.

JMO

[5swab5]

I find it unlikely Meredith Fisher participated in any of those activities prior to making postings on the Internet and so will a jury.

JMO


A jury will never hear a word about Meredith's postings on the Internet, in the trial of Jason Lynn Young.

They will only hear things that she has personal knowledge of that are pertinent, like Jason's carefree lifestyle, junkets with his family, how he treated Michelle, etc.

That and how she was duped into going to the house on a ruse set up by Jason, only to discover Michelle's body and the unharmed child and dog.

MOO

Swabby


Daddy Did It

[Lacibug]

A jury will never hear a word about Meredith's postings on the Internet, in the trial of Jason Lynn Young.

They will only hear things that she has personal knowledge of that are pertinent, like Jason's carefree lifestyle, junkets with his family, how he treated Michelle, etc.

That and how she was duped into going to the house on a ruse set up by Jason, only to discover Michelle's body and the unharmed child and dog.

MOO

Swabby





Daddy Did It

You are certainly free to believe that is what happened but if you'd bother to read the search warrants, what you describe as sure fact is actually described in the search warrants as "reportedly."

JMO

[Lacibug]

Except that he did live there, and he did turn those lights on. The likely scenario is, he turned them on when Cassidy was wakened by Michelle's horrified screams begging for mercy from her murdering husband. MUO

That's certainly not a believable scenario in light of the witness' observations described on the search warrant. Is that the best you can come up with because it's pretty lame. The witness drove past that house daily and concluded the light-colored SUV belonged to a party-goer. Jason lived there, parked his vehicle in the drive nightly and his SUV is white. I think a jury will find the witness' observations quite credible. The child's bedroom was upstairs, not down. No need to turn on all the downstairs lights to calm his own child nor is it believable that he did so.
No arrest of Jason Young after nearly two years of intense scrutiny and the refusal of the judge to seal search warrants that have aided that scrutiny of Jason is a good indication he is no longer the primary suspect.

[Caitriona]

It seems the murderer did turn on enough lights to make the home noticeable to someone else in the neighborhood daily. All those lights on wouldn't be necessary for someone who lived there.

JMO

Yeah? I hafta turn on the lights in the house I live in if I want to see what I'm doing.

[Lacibug]

24/7 what an inflation of the truth. I posted at 12 something today and now I'm back at 5 something. I like others have a busy life. Look at the time of posts before you post nonsense again.

Some have a difficulty dealing with the reality that after all the intense scrutiny, Jason Young doesn't appear to be the focus of the investigation any longer. So they derail the discussion with snide insults at anyone who disagrees with their view. Just ignore. The judge refused to continue to seal the warrants. Very good sign for Jason.

MOO

[Barbara2]

Yeah? I hafta turn on the lights in the house I live in if I want to see what I'm doing.

My eyes adjust to the dark and I turn lights off. My husband has to have lights on for everything. I don't think that a total stranger can claim that "all those lights wouldn't be necessary for someone who lived there".

[Lacibug]

Yeah? I hafta turn on the lights in the house I live in if I want to see what I'm doing.

I don't believe 12 members of a jury who are parents will believe it necessary to turn on all the lights downstairs to make their way to kids' bedrooms upstairs to comfort them nor has the DA suggested that this is a believable scenario.

[Caitriona]

My eyes adjust to the dark and I turn lights off. My husband has to have lights on for everything. I don't think that a total stranger can claim that "all those lights wouldn't be necessary for someone who lived there".

I don't either. I mean I can get from one room to the other without lights. But I couldn't do something like clean up a mess without them.

Some people seem to think that just because they say something it's true.

O

[Lacibug]

My eyes adjust to the dark and I turn lights off. My husband has to have lights on for everything. I don't think that a total stranger can claim that "all those lights wouldn't be necessary for someone who lived there".

Whether I am or am not a total stranger I can most certainly make a claim based on common sense. Lights don't need to be turned on downstairs in order for a parent to comfort a frightened child who sleeps upstairs.

[Barbara2]

Whether I am or am not a total stranger I can most certainly make a claim based on common sense. Lights don't need to be turned on downstairs in order for a parent to comfort a frightened child who sleeps upstairs.


I still stick with my opinion that you can't possibly know that. Unless you were there that night, you have no idea why the lights were on.

[Lacibug]

I still stick with my opinion that you can't possibly know that. Unless you were there that night, you have no idea why the lights were on.


Actually I do. The eyewitness was there that night, saw a light-colored SUV near the house and concluded there had been a party. Now, should I find that observation credible or go with the inane scenario posted here that a car was parked there and all the lights were illuminated downstairs because a parent needed to comfort a frightened child? Sorry, but I think only an idiot would believe that.

[Lacibug]

Think so ?

Think again. This Judge just finished litigation in July 2008 for the Nancy Cooper sealed SW's. He sealed them for 30 days and they were opened to the public. About the same time the 180 seal order for the Brevard SW's expired and the DA wanted another 90 days. The Judge said enough is enough and said 10 days.

The judge refused to continue the seal the Young search warrants but that has absolutely nothing to do with the Cooper case so it is pointless to throw it into this discussion.

The Judge refused to continue the seal in the Young case and that is an indication the focus is now off Jason Young.


JMO

[Caitriona]

Actually I do. The eyewitness was there that night, saw a light-colored SUV near the house and concluded there had been a party. Now, should I find that observation credible or go with the inane scenario posted here that a car was parked there and all the lights were illuminated downstairs because a parent needed to comfort a frightened child? Sorry, but I think only an idiot would believe that.


I don't think the lights were on and the car was parked there cuz Cassidy was upset. I think the lights were on and the car was parked there cuz Jason had a mess to clean up and stuff to get rid of.

[Lacibug]

There was a witness? WTH are you talking about? Talk about lame. :rolleyes:

The person who observed the lights on was merely a witness to the house being lit up, not a witness to what happened behind closed doors. Please :read: before you berate. I know where Cassidy's bedroom was. I do not need a geography lesson from you about the layout of the house. Your attempt to belittle me and my thoughts have failed miserably - again. No matter what name you post under, you are fooling no one, now please go back to ignoring my statements.

Talk about idiotic!

MUO

Yes, the witness was about the house being lit up as well as a car parked outside. That's what I said. Sorry but your suggestion that the lights downstairs were lit up because a parent needed to comfort a child isn't believable except to an idiot. The witness to the lights and car didn't conclude that and I don't either. That's my opinion. If you don't want your scenarios discussed, don't toss them out there to begin with. :rolleyes:

[bookie]

Last I heard her murderer hadn't been caught. Her husband said he was at home with the children. Not a solid alibi.


Police released a sketch of a person of interest in that case and the sketch didn't fit her husbands description.

[bookie]

I wouldn't even start down this road again. I went round and round with him on probability a few days ago.

I, too, conceded that it is possible, but NOT LIKELY. This was supported by the FBI crime statistics. And there were links after links of the exception put up. But they were just that, exceptions. So, if we start down this path, I think we should start putting links to any burglary article that did not end in murder -- they will far outnumber those that did.

Apparently, they don't even like it when we concede it could be a possibility.

There are many more things that are possibilities too -- the paper man, the neighbor, aliens....


The problem with statistics is there are exceptions to the norm. SO go ahead and put up links to burglaries that didn't end with murder....it doesn't prove that jason is guilty.

[Lacibug]

I don't think the lights were on and the car was parked there cuz Cassidy was upset. I think the lights were on and the car was parked there cuz Jason had a mess to clean up and stuff to get rid of.

I'm pretty sure there wasn't a mess in the formal living room and formal dinining room, both of which had windows facing the street. No reason at all for Jason to be in those rooms or need to turn on the lights. otoh, a thief seeking valuables most certainly would be looking in those rooms.

JMO

[Barbara2]

I'm pretty sure there wasn't a mess in the formal living room and formal dinining room, both of which had windows facing the street. No reason at all for Jason to be in those rooms or need to turn on the lights. otoh, a thief seeking valuables most certainly would be looking in those rooms.

JMO

So why did the thief not take valuables from those rooms if that was the reason for turning on the lights?

[Lacibug]

The problem with statistics is there are exceptions to the norm. SO go ahead and put up links to burglaries that didn't end with murder....it doesn't prove that jason is guilty.

ita. Statistics nearly two years after a still unsolved crime are an utter waste of time.

MOO

[Lacibug]

So why did the thief not take valuables from those rooms if that was the reason for turning on the lights?

The reason to turn on the lights was to LOOK for valuables.

JMO

[Barbara2]

The reason to turn on the lights was to LOOK for valuables.

JMO

And yet they did not TAKE them.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Only 2 more GJ's to go!!

:biggrin:

Kat

[Barbara2]

Only 2 more GJ's to go!!

:biggrin:

Kat


Maybe you can throw a party and just break out and celebrate the freedom that Michelle's killer is enjoying. :rolleyes:

[Lacibug]

And yet they did not TAKE them.

JMO

What valuables were there that were not taken, Barbara2?

[Lacibug]

You obviously are misinformed.

I can :read: search warrants without the need of spin from the little voice inside your head. :lol:

[Lacibug]

Why do you think they even keep statistics then? Perhaps we should all write the FBI and tell them to stop...maybe save some taxpayer money?

Time period following a crime has no bearing on statistics and what they tell you. They tell you that burglary in this case was not likely. Burglary in that neighborhood even more unlikely (you see, they do statistics by zip code too!). Now, I didn't say impossible...just unlikely.

LE keeps statistics for many reasons but so far statistics haven't helped solve this crime, have they? Statistics point to the male partner of a murdered pregnant woman as likely to be the killer and makes them immediately a primary suspect, don't they? Hasn't Jason been scrutinized thoroughly? Why do the missing items in this crime have you in such a dither of denial that you're using useless statistics to not prove a point?

You also keep insisting statistics show burglary is unlikely in this case when we already know it is a fact that LE listed missing items on a search warrant and went looking for them. We already know there have been other murders committed during botched robberies and burglaries. That statistical horse you're beating has suffered enough. :shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

Me Too,

I don't really care when. I want the prosecution done ONCE & RIGHT!

I know in my heart that it is only a matter of time until Michelle and Rylan get justice.

MOO

Swabby


But, that's just it.

You should be worried.

Anyone and everyone who wants Michelle's killer(s) caught should be worried.

Including me and all the other JII"s.

You think something is wrong?

You don't see something wrong with issuing a search warrant on 2/08 for items that should have been found in the beginning days /weeks of an investigation of a murder that happened in 11/06?

Shirt, shoes, what could be more obvious than what they think the killer wore?

You are going to go back 15 months later and search homes and a storage unit for a shirt?

A shirt, Jason could have taken off anywhere , left on a porch, a home, a car ?

So, it wasn't in the belongings that they searched. So, what?

So, they are coming for it 15 months later ?

At least, the shoes make more sense. They were waiting on print confirmations and comparisions.

But, then what happens?

The size of one pair of the shoes are 2 sizes 2 small. !!

People don't go around saving smaller shoes for the day to come when they may kill someone.

People don't cramp their feet in shoes 2 sizes too small at a crime scene where they left prints on a pillow, when they could have just taken the whole pillow!!

This case is so not coming together, 2 more grand juries, and that's it.

If Michelle's murder is not solved within the 2 year frame, good luck.

Oh, and maybe start worrying.

Kat

[Lacibug]

Only 2 more GJ's to go!!

:biggrin:

Kat

In all seriousness, I think there is a sealed indictment and LE has been unsuccessful in finding co-conspirator so they'll move forward with Meredith's arrest.

[Kat4Eagles]

If I were a betting person, I would bet that it is a good bet that tomorrow's grand jury will bring down an indictment. I have said that in the past, but many someones distorted my post to mean that I thought that "Jason Lynn Young" was going to be indicted. That was not the intention of my statement. GJ's hand down indictments all the time. People are arrested after the fact.

I did not name names. The reading comprehension of some on this board is truly incredible. I should say the lack of reading comprehension skills, because whoever read that I said Jason would be indicted apparently did not read the post correctly. However, it is my hope that the one who murdered Michelle and Rylan will be indicted tomorrow.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN - however long it takes!


Why in the world would we care who else is indicted when we are following this case?


And, your "tomorrow" came and went, and no indictments (that we know of) came down in the Michelle Young case.

That is the case you are following too, right?


:shrug:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

In all seriousness, I think there is a sealed indictment and LE has been unsuccessful in finding co-conspirator so they'll move forward with Meredith's arrest.


I was being serious.

I thought they had their case a long time ago.

I was wrong. Big time, huge mistake on my part for believing what was posted here and that it was ready to go to the GJ.

:(

Kat

[Lacibug]

But, that's just it.

You should be worried.

Anyone and everyone who wants Michelle's killer(s) caught should be worried.

Including me and all the other JII"s.

You think something is wrong?

You don't see something wrong with issuing a search warrant on 2/08 for items that should have been found in the beginning days /weeks of an investigation of a murder that happened in 11/06?

Shirt, shoes, what could be more obvious than what they think the killer wore?

You are going to go back 15 months later and search homes and a storage unit for a shirt?

A shirt, Jason could have taken off anywhere , left on a porch, a home, a car ?

So, it wasn't in the belongings that they searched. So, what?

So, they are coming for it 15 months later ?

At least, the shoes make more sense. They were waiting on print confirmations and comparisions.

But, then what happens?

The size of one pair of the shoes are 2 sizes 2 small. !!

People don't go around saving smaller shoes for the day to come when they may kill someone.

People don't cramp their feet in shoes 2 sizes too small at a crime scene where they left prints on a pillow, when they could have just taken the whole pillow!!

This case is so not coming together, 2 more grand juries, and that's it.

If Michelle's murder is not solved within the 2 year frame, good luck.

Oh, and maybe start worrying.

Kat

Normal people don't keep too-small shoes around the house to do odd jobs around the house...or murder. And I've never heard of a killer stepping on a pillow twice, wearing two different shoes and then changing into a third pair. That's one of the more moronic arguments I've seen. But I do believe Michelle's murder has been solved. The problem has been gathering the evidence to convict. It's a death penalty case.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Maybe she was murdered at around 2:30 in the morning, and the murderer turned on some lights as he was cleaning up. Maybe the murderer turned on the indoor garage lights, the kitchen lights, the front hall lights, maybe the back hall lights, and from a distance it looked like all the lights were on. In fact, those lights would be enough to make it look like lights were on throughout the house.


Then, could you please tell me why the killer(s) did not turn off the lights,even some of them, so as not to draw attention to the home, or as the delivery person thought, that, a party was going on?

Why leave all the lights on so that the house stood out from others?

Thanxxx.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

So why did the thief not take valuables from those rooms if that was the reason for turning on the lights?


How does anyone know what or what was not taken?

Because someone posted Michelle's purse was still there?

That was the only purse she had?

I have more than 1 purse I use, depending on what I am doing and where I am going.

:shrug:

Kat

[Lacibug]

I was being serious.

I thought they had their case a long time ago.

I was wrong. Big time, huge mistake on my part for believing what was posted here and that it was ready to go to the GJ.

:(

Kat

ok. That big grin jester icon was why I said that.

I think the case has already been presented to the gj. I also think it's possible it is tied to another unsolved case. Michelle was murdered in such a brutal, heartless yet daring fashion. The house was all lit up.
JMO

[Lacibug]

How does anyone know what or what was not taken?

Because someone posted Michelle's purse was still there?

That was the only purse she had?

I have more than 1 purse I use, depending on what I am doing and where I am going.

:shrug:

Kat

We're supposed to believe that it was because a small child was frightened and Jason turned on all the lights downstairs to comfort her. I don't believe this is true, do you?

::cough::

[Lacibug]

Then, could you please tell me why the killer(s) did not turn off the lights,even some of them, so as not to draw attention to the home, or as the delivery person thought, that, a party was going on?

Why leave all the lights on so that the house stood out from others?

Thanxxx.

Kat

Because the killer is a sociopath who thinks everyone believes her lies because she does. That worked well for her up until the 911 call was released.

JMO

[5swab5]

(snip) The judge refused to continue to seal the warrants. Very good sign for Jason.

MOO

Pure propaganda. And not even remotely logical.

MOO

Swabby

[Lacibug]

Pure propaganda. And not even remotely logical.

MOO

Swabby

Still true whether you agree or not.:rolleyes:

[5swab5]

Then, could you please tell me why the killer(s) did not turn off the lights,even some of them, so as not to draw attention to the home, or as the delivery person thought, that, a party was going on?

Why leave all the lights on so that the house stood out from others?

Thanxxx.

Kat


The very same reason that the killer could park in the driveway and not think that he would draw any undue suspicion. It was Jason's house.

Criminals almost always make mistakes. Just think, all it took was a newspaper delivery person to put a light colored SUV in that driveway early that morning.

Moo

Swabby

[Lacibug]

The very same reason that the killer could park in the driveway and not think that he would draw any undue suspicion. It was Jason's house.

Criminals almost always make mistakes. Just think, all it took was a newspaper delivery person to put a light colored SUV in that driveway early that morning.

Moo

Swabby

That mistake, as you call it, hasn't resulted in Jason's arrest. His white SUV was routinely parked in the drive. The delivery person drove past the house routinely. The delivery person described the vehicle as light-colored, not white, and thought it was being loaded up after a party. Doesn't sound like it was a mistake attributable to Jason Young and LE hasn't managed to do it. You haven't either.

JMO

[5swab5]

Still true whether you agree or not.:rolleyes:

Keep repeating that mantra until you turn purple for all I care.:rolleyes:

Doesn't make a single word that you type credible.

Facts are, that Jason Lynn Young was and is the focus of LE, will be put on trial and hopefully sentenced to death for his dastardly deeds.

MOO

Swabby

[Lacibug]

Keep repeating that mantra until you turn purple for all I care.:rolleyes:

Doesn't make a single word that you type credible.

Facts are, that Jason Lynn Young was and is the focus of LE, will be put on trial and hopefully sentenced to death for his dastardly deeds.

MOO

Swabby

Wishful thinking on your part. You don't find me credible, I find you laughably uncredible. I guess we're at an impasse. :lol:

[5swab5]

Because the killer is a sociopath who thinks everyone believes her lies because she does. That worked well for her up until the 911 call was released.

JMO

There is something truly evil about someone that insists on posting cruel and hurtful things about the sister of murder victim. Meredith has cooperated in every way, up to and INCLUDING rescuing Cassidy and Mr. Garrison for Jason.

Where in this Country are you going to find a jury that is going to buy into your tripe? Wanna' move the trial to LA? Ain't gonna happen.:biggrin:

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Wishful thinking on your part. You don't find me credible, I find you laughably uncredible. I guess we're at an impasse. :lol:

At least I have read the SWs and rely on them, instead of pulling things out of thin air.

You might want to give it a try, they are very enlightening.

MOO

Swabby

[Lacibug]

There is something truly evil about someone that insists on posting cruel and hurtful things about the sister of murder victim. Meredith has cooperated in every way, up to and INCLUDING rescuing Cassidy and Mr. Garrison for Jason.

Where in this Country are you going to find a jury that is going to buy into your tripe? Wanna' move the trial to LA? Ain't gonna happen.:biggrin:

MOO

Swabby

You're calling me evil because I think the sister of the murder victim had a hand in killing her? GMAB. Killers cooperate. Doesn't mean they are innocent or telling the truth. I, at least, have posted the basis of my opinions are things like public record 911 call, search warrants and internet postings by Meredith Fisher, you, on the other hand, seem to be projecting it is the husband for no other reason than your own failed relationships. :rolleyes:

I'd rather be me.

JMO

[Lacibug]

At least I have read the SWs and rely on them, instead of pulling things out of thin air.

You might want to give it a try, they are very enlightening.

MOO

Swabby

You selectively ignore anything that points to someone other than the husband.


MOO

[5swab5]

You're calling me evil because I think the sister of the murder victim had a hand in killing her? GMAB. Killers cooperate. Doesn't mean they are innocent or telling the truth. I, at least, have posted the basis of my opinions are things like public record 911 call, search warrants and internet postings by Meredith Fisher, you, on the other hand, seem to be projecting it is the husband for no other reason than your own failed relationships. :rolleyes:

I'd rather be me.

JMO

Your interpretation of the 911 call is flawed on so many levels.

There are NO SWs for Meredith, unlike Jason Lynn Young.

Meredith's youthful ramblings on the Internet 3 years prior to her sister's murders have no bearing on this case.
Talk about grasping at straws.

Wonder why Jason Lynn Young won't cooperate? Takes a certain amount of real hatred, not to mention guilt to hang up on LE after the brutal murder of your wife and child, before you even get back into town.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

You selectively ignore anything that points to someone other than the husband.


MOO

Not my fault. Nothing does point to anyone except Jason Lynn Young.

MOO

Swabby

Including all the SWs.

[BiggerRedDog]

Not my fault. Nothing does point to anyone except Jason Lynn Young.
MOO
Swabby
Including all the SWs.That's how I see it too, Swabby. I see nothing strange or incriminating about Meredith's 911 call, her MySpace posts, or selling a purse on Ebay. I've tried to see what others say they see, but it's just not happening for me.

[Lacibug]

Your interpretation of the 911 call is flawed on so many levels.

There are NO SWs for Meredith, unlike Jason Lynn Young.

Meredith's youthful ramblings on the Internet 3 years prior to her sister's murders have no bearing on this case.
Talk about grasping at straws.

Wonder why Jason Lynn Young won't cooperate? Takes a certain amount of real hatred, not to mention guilt to hang up on LE after the brutal murder of your wife and child, before you even get back into town.

MOO

Swabby

There is a sealed warrant. If you want to think that it applies to Jason Young, go for it. If you want to think "youthful ramblings" aren't subject to s/w, go for it. It is hardly grasping at straws, as you try to portray it. Will you survive an arrest warrant for someone else? Highly doubtful. I think you really do hate all men.:rolleyes:

[5swab5]

Are you awake this am june ?
Had your coffee yet ?
Sounds like you are still dreaming.

Aw, come on Whitmore.

LE issues search warrant after search warrant ALL the time, just to clear a suspect, don't ya know that?:rolleyes:

They even issue SWs to search the homes of relatives and storage sheds of the "victim", for property that is reported missing from a burglary all the time.:rolleyes:

MOO

Swabby

[urseen]

There is a sealed warrant. If you want to think that it applies to Jason Young, go for it. If you want to think "youthful ramblings" aren't subject to s/w, go for it. It is hardly grasping at straws, as you try to portray it. Will you survive an arrest warrant for someone else? Highly doubtful. I think you really do hate all men.:rolleyes:

People who try to act like they "know it all" usually KNOW NOTHING
It is apparently clear from your posts (leaf raking expert, dog bladder control expert,voice analyzer,addiction expert and on and on and on...I'm sure there will be more) you fall in that category
If you think your impressing someone you are not
It is impossible to discuss any point in this case with you because you are constantly on the defensive and belittle other people and their opinions
You've made it abundantly clear you believe Meredith and some accomplice murdered Michelle yet I've never seen a clear and concise synopsis of how you think this came down. You fear making a mistake
that you won't be able to correct or that your points would be challanged? imo
Go ahead with a snide reply now I'm ready for it and so is every other person who views this board..you are so transparent

[5swab5]

((snipped)) I think you really do hate all men.:rolleyes:

Then you would be wrong again. No surprise there, you haven't been right yet.

I only hate men that murder their wives and unborn children.:rolleyes:

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

The very same reason that the killer could park in the driveway and not think that he would draw any undue suspicion. It was Jason's house.

Criminals almost always make mistakes. Just think, all it took was a newspaper delivery person to put a light colored SUV in that driveway early that morning.

Moo

Swabby



So,once again, where is the arrest?
:confused:

Question for today.

Why didn't Jason leave his SUV in Brevard the nite they drove back to Raleigh and just ride in one of the family vehicles instead?

If there were really bloodstains?

If there were any traces of evidence from the crime scene, hair, fibers, etc?

Sounds like he was not worried about anything that may be found, and more importantly he had nothing to hide.

Why not just leave the car in Brevard until he could get back to it, or ask someone to clean it up?

He would have had a legitimately good reason to ride with fanily members in their cars instead..
:shrug:

Kat

[bookie]

So,once again, where is the arrest?
:confused:

Question for today.

Why didn't Jason leave his SUV in Brevard the nite they drove back to Raleigh and just ride in one of the family vehicles instead?

If there were really bloodstains?

If there were any traces of evidence from the crime scene, hair, fibers, etc?

Sounds like he was not worried about anything that may be found, and more importantly he had nothing to hide.

Why not just leave the car in Brevard until he could get back to it, or ask someone to clean it up?

He would have had a legitimately good reason to ride with fanily members in their cars instead..
:shrug:

Kat


Still no indictment huh?

[Kat4Eagles]

That's how I see it too, Swabby. I see nothing strange or incriminating about Meredith's 911 call, her MySpace posts, or selling a purse on Ebay. I've tried to see what others say they see, but it's just not happening for me.


You see nothing wrong with someone thinking a crime scene and all that it implies, to be nothing more than the result of a simple fall?


:disbelief:
:shock:


Kat

[Barbara2]

So,once again, where is the arrest?
:confused:

Question for today.

Why didn't Jason leave his SUV in Brevard the nite they drove back to Raleigh and just ride in one of the family vehicles instead?

If there were really bloodstains?

If there were any traces of evidence from the crime scene, hair, fibers, etc?

Sounds like he was not worried about anything that may be found, and more importantly he had nothing to hide.

Why not just leave the car in Brevard until he could get back to it, or ask someone to clean it up?

He would have had a legitimately good reason to ride with fanily members in their cars instead..
:shrug:

Kat

Don't you think that would have seemed just a tad bit suspicious if he returned home without his car?

[Kat4Eagles]

Still no indictment huh?


Heck, :no:.

Just think, all the things that have been posted here and they still can't get one.

I guess those previous murder attempts posts were just to make things more interesting , and the "insiders "that knew when this was going down got played.

Why do they always disappear and not come back to say they were wrong, and admit they had zero credibility all along?

:shrug:

Kat

[Barbara2]

You see nothing wrong with someone thinking a crime scene and all that it implies, to be nothing more than the result of a simple fall?


:disbelief:
:shock:


Kat

Do you honestly think that is what Meredith believed or was she asking a question to gently get information from a small child? Would you have preferred that she blurted out, "Did you see who beat your mommy to death?"????

[Kat4Eagles]

Don't you think that would have seemed just a tad bit suspicious if he returned home without his car?



Why?

The guy just finds out his wife was murdered, and is in shock.

So, he rides in another family member's car, until police get a warrant to go retrieve his.

He could have bought some time having the car cleaned up , if he needed to.

But, nope, he brings the car straight back to Raleigh, knowing it is going to be seized and searched.

Hmmm..

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Do you honestly think that is what Meredith believed or was she asking a question to gently get information from a small child? Would you have preferred that she blurted out, "Did you see who beat your mommy to death?"????


Why did she have to ask C at all ,what happened?

Why was C even still there to continue to see her Mom's body at that point?

Why didn't MF remove her from such a traumatic sight?
Kat

[Barbara2]

Why?

The guy just finds out his wife was murdered, and is in shock.

So, he rides in another family member's car, until police get a warrant to go retrieve his.

He could have bought some time having the car cleaned up , if he needed to.

But, nope, he brings the car straight back to Raleigh, knowing it is going to be seized and searched.

Hmmm..

Kat

They didn't need it in Raleigh to search it. They could have gone to Brevard. Not bringing the car back would have just added to the suspicion. It does not make him appear to be innocent just because he brought his car back with him to the town where he lived and worked.

[Barbara2]

Why did she have to ask C at all ,what happened?

Why was C even still there to continue to see her Mom's body at that point?

Why didn't MF remove her from such a traumatic sight?
Kat


Oh, that's right. You think she should have grabbed the child and run screaming from the house further traumatizing her instead of talking to the child in a calm and reassuring voice and trying to make things seem as normal as she possibly could.

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE=onederwomyn;12176336]

<snipped>
And let's talk about burglary for a second. What burglar is going to wear hush puppies? QUOTE]






Why didn't the killer just remove their shoes upon entry or at the

bottom of the staircase.?, if the master plan was to kill Michelle while she was asleep and not wake her, MR G or C?

Nope, the killer wears shoes that leave not only prints , but puts on 2 diffferent types, and then exits the home with all the lights on?

Sounds like it wasn't much of a plan.
Sounds like it maybe wasn't even supposed to happen to begin with.

:shrug:

Kat

[bookie]

Oh, that's right. You think she should have grabbed the child and run screaming from the house further traumatizing her instead of talking to the child in a calm and reassuring voice and trying to make things seem as normal as she possibly could.


You don't think Cassidy should have been removed from the sight of her dead mother? How is anyone supposed to make THAT seem normal??? :rolleyes:

[bookie]

<snipped>
And let's talk about burglary for a second. What burglar is going to wear hush puppies? QUOTE]






Why didn't the killer just remove their shoes upon entry or at the

bottom of the staircase.?, if the master plan was to kill Michelle while she was asleep and not wake her, MR G or C?

Nope, the killer wears shoes that leave not only prints , but puts on 2 diffferent types, and then exits the home with all the lights on?

Sounds like it wasn't much of a plan.
Sounds like it maybe wasn't even supposed to happen to begin with.

:shrug:

Kat


Does onederwoman think there is a dress code for burglars? Is there a handbook that tells a person what type of shoes to wear or not wear when breaking into someone's home?

[Barbara2]

You don't think Cassidy should have been removed from the sight of her dead mother? How is anyone supposed to make THAT seem normal??? :rolleyes:

She tried the best she could to do just that while still trying to follow the directions of the 911 operator.
IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Oh, that's right. You think she should have grabbed the child and run screaming from the house further traumatizing her instead of talking to the child in a calm and reassuring voice and trying to make things seem as normal as she possibly could.



C did not sound traumatized at all on the 911 call to me.

Did she , to you?

There was a way she could have been removed to not have seen any more of what happened in the home, or what happened to her Mom.

When did it finally dawn on MF that something really, really, really, bad happened?
When she says she touched a pillow, did she finally get it?

Kat

[bookie]

She tried the best she could to do just that while still trying to follow the directions of the 911 operator.
IMO


She put Cassidy in a bedroom when she should have taken her out of the house completely. If the scene looked as bad as police said it did I'm pretty sure she could have told the 911 dispatcher what she was seeing and that she needed to get the baby out of the house and he would have understood.

[Barbara2]

She put Cassidy in a bedroom when she should have taken her out of the house completely. If the scene looked as bad as police said it did I'm pretty sure she could have told the 911 dispatcher what she was seeing and that she needed to get the baby out of the house and he would have understood.

I'm sure when we are sitting around thinking about what coulda or shoulda been done without actually being faced with such a shocking event, we can think of all sorts of things that would have made it perfect. Unfortunately Meredith didn't have that luxury.

[bookie]

Well, first of all...with the bloody footprints all over the house as was reported, my hunch is that Cassidy had spent a lot of time with her mother trying to fix her "boo boos" -- that was in the 911 transcript.

This is also part of the 911 transcript:

DISPATCHER: Are you right by her now?

MEREDITH: I...I’m keeping her daughter out of there.

DISPATCHER: Okay. Alright, so you’re not with her?

MEREDITH: I’m right outside the bedroom.

DISPATCHER: Can you get her daughter secured s…Can you carry the phone to where she’s at?

MEREDITH: Yes.

DISPATCHER: Alright. Can you secure her daughter?

MEREDITH: Cassidy, sweetie, can you stay in your room for two seconds, okay?

CASSIDY: Okay.

MEREDITH: Okay, can you close the door for two seconds and I’ll be right back in here, okay, sweetie?

CASSIDY: [inaudible]

MEREDITH: Okay.

DISPATCHER: Meredith.

MEREDITH: Okay, yes sir.


So, she did try to keep her out of there. Other than locking her in a different room, which in and of itself causes a problems because kids may panic and scream, I don't see anything wrong with what she was doing. She was trying to help her sister WITHOUT freaking out in front of her niece. I have listened to that 911 call 10 - 15 times and there is nothing -- NOTHING -- that makes me think this anything more than a sister that is in somewhat shock/horror of what she found and is trying to see if there is anything can be done.


I really don't care what you think about the 911 call. That wasn't what my post was about. Meredith's actions with Cassidy is what I was talking about. And she should have taken that baby out of that home. That scene was described as one of the most horrific that police had ever seen but she kept Cassidy in there? Sorry but that was wrong any way you look at it.

[bookie]

No, I don't think there is a dress code. But you don't hear of many burglars wearing high heels, bright white, or neon green clothes do you? Nope. Some things just make more sense than others. Well, to people that have sense that is.


DO you know what hushpuppies look like? Slip on shoes. Maybe you should actually look at a pair before discussing people with or without sense. :punch:


http://i1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/411/149/11/SHOES_-_Hush_Puppy_3_images.JPG

[bookie]

Because YOU or anyone else on this board knows EXACTLY what they would have done, right? WRONG. No one knows. You may think you know, but until you are faced with it...you really don't. She was seeing if there was anything she could still do, and you can't do that from outside the house. Once she realized she was cold, she went out to the hallway with Cassidy.

It makes me sick to think that people can find fault with the way someone reacted to something they have never been faced with before.


Anyone with a lick of common sense would have taken that baby out of the home, not out in the hallway. But go ahead and think there was nothing wrong with a small child being kept just feet from her dead mother's body. It says a lot about you.

[5swab5]

I really don't care what you think about the 911 call. That wasn't what my post was about. Meredith's actions with Cassidy is what I was talking about. And she should have taken that baby out of that home. That scene was described as one of the most horrific that police had ever seen but she kept Cassidy in there? Sorry but that was wrong any way you look at it.

Meredith was sent there by Jason. I'm sure the last thing on her mind was finding her sister dead. I'm also sure it took her a couple of minutes to assimilate the situation after entering the house.

Cassidy and Mr. Garrison were obviously unharmed, why should she have terrorized Cassidy further, by grabbing her and running, screaming from the house?

Makes no sense. Meredith was there for Cassidy. Jason was certainly in no rush to get to her side.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Why?

(snip)
He could have bought some time having the car cleaned up , if he needed to.

But, nope, he brings the car straight back to Raleigh, knowing it is going to be seized and searched.

Hmmm..

Kat

Jason had not only enough time to wash and wax his car in Brevard before meandering back to Raleigh, but they could have stopped at every car wash between the two towns in the amount of time that they wasted getting to Cassidy's side.

MOO

Swabby

[bookie]

Meredith was sent there by Jason. I'm sure the last thing on her mind was finding her sister dead. I'm also sure it took her a couple of minutes to assimilate the situation after entering the house.

Cassidy and Mr. Garrison were obviously unharmed, why should she have terrorized Cassidy further, by grabbing her and running, screaming from the house?

Makes no sense. Meredith was there for Cassidy. Jason was certainly in no rush to get to her side.

MOO

Swabby

I never said anything about running or screaming. She could have and should have calmly and quietly walked her out of the house. What makes no sense is leaving a child in a home with her dead mothers body.

[HI_CYCLE]

Meredith was sent there by Jason. I'm sure the last thing on her mind was finding her sister dead. I'm also sure it took her a couple of minutes to assimilate the situation after entering the house.

Cassidy and Mr. Garrison were obviously unharmed, why should she have terrorized Cassidy further, by grabbing her and running, screaming from the house?

Makes no sense. Meredith was there for Cassidy. Jason was certainly in no rush to get to her side.

MOO

Swabby
I remember when in school and on jobs,FIRE DRILLS. Remember. They teach you to calmly exit without running and screaming. Surely as much schooling Meredith has, she knows the drill. Exit the house,holding Cassidy`s hand and THEN call 911 on her cell phone. How did she know the murderer was not still in the house. That has been a sticking point for me since day one.

[urseen]

I remember when in school and on jobs,FIRE DRILLS. Remember. They teach you to calmly exit without running and screaming. Surely as much schooling Meredith has, she knows the drill. Exit the house,holding Cassidy`s hand and THEN call 911 on her cell phone. How did she know the murderer was not still in the house. That has been a sticking point for me since day one.

This was not a Fire Drill
Protocol for medical emergencies last I heard did not say leave the victim
Instructions are to cal 911 imo

[5swab5]

I never said anything about running or screaming. She could have and should have calmly and quietly walked her out of the house. What makes no sense is leaving a child in a home with her dead mothers body.

Good Grief,

Meredith was trying to get help for the one on the ground! Cassidy was obviously physically OK, as she was walking around and chattering.

There must have been a million things going through her head. The concern and strain in her voice is heart wrenching. I think she held it together remarkably well.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

I remember when in school and on jobs,FIRE DRILLS. Remember. They teach you to calmly exit without running and screaming. Surely as much schooling Meredith has, she knows the drill. Exit the house,holding Cassidy`s hand and THEN call 911 on her cell phone. How did she know the murderer was not still in the house. That has been a sticking point for me since day one.

I maintain that instructions for a fire drill and what to do, after finding your pregnant sister all bloody on the floor of her bedroom have ZERO in common.

MOO

Swabby

[HI_CYCLE]

Get over it, Meredith was in shock. You seem to be unable to grasp that very simple aspect of this case.
I probably grasp more then your close mind. Read my signature line. I suggest your imagination is out of focus. MOO

[5swab5]

I know what they look like -- Thanks.

That is just it -- they are slip on loafers -- shoes that could actually fall off fairly easily should you be in a hurry. I would think that burglars would likely wear shoes that are tied on with less likely a chance of slipping off. You know, they get chased by homeowners or dogs, etc. Unless you are stupid burglar, I would think you would want your bases covered should you have to do anything in a hurry or sprint from a home because the cops are coming.

Another thing, I wonder how many burglaries there are where someone actually drives to the home or parks near it. In cities, I think most likely not much. In a subdivision like their's...I really don't know.

Exactly the reason that many Police Departments now allow their personnel to wear black athletic shoes, like basketball referees wear...so they have a chance...at chasing down the bad guys that are wearing $250.00 Nikes.

MOO

Swabby

[HI_CYCLE]

Mine is more astute than yours. Please read and know you heard it here first. :rolleyes:I agree you are a very shrewd person. That is NOT a compliment.

[Kat4Eagles]

Jason had not only enough time to wash and wax his car in Brevard before meandering back to Raleigh, but they could have stopped at every car wash between the two towns in the amount of time that they wasted getting to Cassidy's side.

MOO

Swabby


Did they?

Any links to car washes between Brevard and Raleigh?

Raleigh to Hillsville?

Hillsville to Clintwood.?

Clintwood to Brevard?.


Sure hope those car washes were checked out.


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I remember when in school and on jobs,FIRE DRILLS. Remember. They teach you to calmly exit without running and screaming. Surely as much schooling Meredith has, she knows the drill. Exit the house,holding Cassidy`s hand and THEN call 911 on her cell phone. How did she know the murderer was not still in the house. That has been a sticking point for me since day one.



Me too.

There was no way of knowing the killer or killers were not still there, right?

Right?

Kat

[lilismom]

Anyone with a lick of common sense would have taken that baby out of the home, not out in the hallway. But go ahead and think there was nothing wrong with a small child being kept just feet from her dead mother's body. It says a lot about you.



I think it says a lot more about the person who left her there to begin with.

Some thoughts before I go back to just reading.

Pillow - Do you think it was Meredith and some unknown killer that stepped on that pillow and then told the dispatcher that she moved it to cover her DNA being on it? Why wouldn't she own up to stepping on it in the middle of finding her sister beaten to death? Why just say she moved it then?

Blood - I think CY stayed with her mother. She was probably told never to go downstairs without Mommy or Daddy and she listened. The poor thing probably thought her mother was just asleep and wouldn't wake up. Breaks my heart.

To remove or not to remove - eh, maybe she should have removed CY from the house immediately. It remains to be seen how much further damage Meredith did to her by trying to help her mother I guess. Maybe you would have. Maybe I would have. But she didn't. What she did do was get her out of the room right away did she not? Out of the room was probably enough at that moment if she was going to call 911 and try to help her sister if she could. Is she the luckiest killer in the world to have gotten a phone call to go back to the scene of the crime? The call can be verified and hopefully the voice mail, if there was one, was retrieved. Since the call can be verified, if he didn't send her to the house for the print out, what did he want? If she's the killer what would you prefer? Get CY out of the house and then call? Establish herself as a caring sister who called 911 and stayed to try to help her? Cause no murdering sister would do that right? Is the concern about a killer still in the house for Meredith or CY? What if CY wasn't there, should she still have left and called 911 from outside the house for fear that the killer was still there?

I still don't see Meredith as the killer. I could be totally wrong but I don't see it.

While I'm here, anyone still have a layout of the bedroom? PM is fine. Trying to picture where the palm print is located.

Thanks for your help and have a wonderful hump day.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Kat4Eagles]

I probably grasp more then your close mind. Read my signature line. I suggest your imagination is out of focus. MOO



This Banner that says Daddy did it, sure isn't worth much these days either, is it?

Daddy is free to roam around the country, didn't someone say Daddy just went to the beach. Any new pics yet?

Daddy certainly does not seem worried.

:)
Kat

[5swab5]

(snipped)

Daddy is free to roam around the country, didn't someone say Daddy just went to the beach. Any new pics yet?

Daddy certainly does not seem worried.

Kat

I hear that there are SEVERE rip currents all along the eastern coast. Maybe we will finally see Jason concerned about something.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

I think it says a lot more about the person who left her there to begin with.

Some thoughts before I go back to just reading.

Pillow - Do you think it was Meredith and some unknown killer that stepped on that pillow and then told the dispatcher that she moved it to cover her DNA being on it? Why wouldn't she own up to stepping on it in the middle of finding her sister beaten to death? Why just say she moved it then?

Blood - I think CY stayed with her mother. She was probably told never to go downstairs without Mommy or Daddy and she listened. The poor thing probably thought her mother was just asleep and wouldn't wake up. Breaks my heart.

To remove or not to remove - eh, maybe she should have removed CY from the house immediately. It remains to be seen how much further damage Meredith did to her by trying to help her mother I guess. Maybe you would have. Maybe I would have. But she didn't. What she did do was get her out of the room right away did she not? Out of the room was probably enough at that moment if she was going to call 911 and try to help her sister if she could. Is she the luckiest killer in the world to have gotten a phone call to go back to the scene of the crime? The call can be verified and hopefully the voice mail, if there was one, was retrieved. Since the call can be verified, if he didn't send her to the house for the print out, what did he want? If she's the killer what would you prefer? Get CY out of the house and then call? Establish herself as a caring sister who called 911 and stayed to try to help her? Cause no murdering sister would do that right? Is the concern about a killer still in the house for Meredith or CY? What if CY wasn't there, should she still have left and called 911 from outside the house for fear that the killer was still there?

I still don't see Meredith as the killer. I could be totally wrong but I don't see it.

While I'm here, anyone still have a layout of the bedroom? PM is fine. Trying to picture where the palm print is located.

Thanks for your help and have a wonderful hump day.

IMO,
Lilismom



Hi Lili,
I notice it is usually quiet from the JDI's after yet another and another and another GJ day passes.

There are certain things on the 911 call I can't get passed , just as there are certain things that people who think Jason is guilty, can not get passed.

We shall see!!
Next week = Oct..wow!

Last 2 G J dates, I think should be:
Oct 7
Oct 21

Almost in the home stretch now, with the time getting closer to the 2 year mark and any chance of a civil case being filed.

Something has to happen soon.

38 days..what will it take?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I hear that there are SEVERE rip currents all along the eastern coast. Maybe we will finally see Jason concerned about something.

MOO

Swabby


Is that supposed to have a hidden meaning?

:biggrin:

Kat

Brevard is not near the ocean....:confused:

[annalyzer]

snip~I think it says a lot more about the person who left her there to begin with.

IMO,
Lilismom


Ain't that the truth.

[Kat4Eagles]

I personally could care less how many GJ dates are left before the 2 year mark. I don't care if this case takes 5 years. 10 years. I just want to see the person responsible have to answer to it.

On the flip side, no one has seen Meredith be arrested either, right?


I guess I don't share your optimism , confidence or patience.

Personally, I will be glad when it is over, following this case is not easy, by a long shot.

Wanting justice and seeing nothing happen for close to 2 years, except some 7 month old s/w's that were looking for things that should have been looked at in the early days after the murder.

Why the wait?

When did someone finally get around to notice what Jason was wearing on a video at the Hampton Inn the nite his wife was murdered?


<<sigh>>

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Ain't that the truth.


Well, they left the lights on.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

No one will see Meredith arrested for the murders of Michelle and Rylan. The glee some get from knowing a murderer is free and living his life is astounding. And the sad fact is, deep down, they all know who perpetrated this heinous crime. It has become a game of who is right, who is wrong, and who can garner the most attention by their outlandish remarks.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!


There are probably a million ways to get attention on the internet, but,posting on a Message Board about a murder case is not one of them, unless, UNLESS, you pretend to be an insider or like to give false hope and predictions.


I have no idea who killed Michelle..
:read:

Kat

[5swab5]

(snipped)
Last 2 G J dates, I think should be:
Oct 7
Oct 21

Almost in the home stretch now, with the time getting closer to the 2 year mark and any chance of a civil case being filed.

(snipped)
Kat

That is not true!

LE, the DA's Office and grand juries will continue to do their jobs, until the end of time. NO ONE knows when the Wake County's DA office will decide to move forward on this case. Any civil case is immaterial at this point anyway, as Jason cannot and will not reach for that LI policy that he and Michelle put in place. I also can't see him writing a book or negotiating with HollyWeird for a movie. So it is perfectly safe, in the sense, that it will NEVER be used for Jason's defense...and that is good enough for me.

MOO

Swabby

^^^All the above about the LI Policy is based on the premise, that Jason isn't even stupider than I think that he is. I hope he proves me wrong. :biggrin:

[5swab5]

Is that supposed to have a hidden meaning?

:biggrin:

Kat

Brevard is not near the ocean....:confused:

Little late in the day for you to be giving me geography lessons about North Carolina.:)

MOO

Swabby

[lilismom]

Hi Lili,
I notice it is usually quiet from the JDI's after yet another and another and another GJ day passes.

Something has to happen soon.

38 days..what will it take?

Kat

Snipped.

I don't know about you but I don't count just the Tuesdays that go by without an arrest. Every single day that Michelle's brutal murder goes unsolved is a quiet and sad day and I didn't even know her. Imagine what it is like for those who do?

No offense here Kat but please, please, please don't remind me that Jason is one of those that mourn Michelle's death and prays for justice. Assume I included him if you believe he's innocent, and exclude him if you dont.

I don't think the JDI's as you called them are hiding. Maybe they're hands are just busy scratching their heads wondering what in the world the hold up could be??

I don't know what it will take. Believe me, I wish I did.

IMO,
Lilismom

[5swab5]

(Snipped)
When did someone finally get around to notice what Jason was wearing on a video at the Hampton Inn the nite his wife was murdered?

Kat

I think that the PC in the SWs provide the timeline.:read:

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Well, they left the lights on.

:rolleyes:

Kat

It was his house! He had kept her alive that long. Maybe he didn't want Cassidy falling down the stairs and breaking her neck.

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

I read yesterday where someone thought it would be cruel if LE led the public to believe it was JY and then arrested someone else. I don't see that LE has led the public to think it was JY. ~snip

Short of naming him a suspect they've done nothing but insinuate Jason killed his wife. Every sw and news report I've read clearly shows this.

[Lacibug]

I think there may be more that one sealed warrant. I also think if they applied to JY we would know about them. I read yesterday where someone thought it would be cruel if LE led the public to believe it was JY and then arrested someone else. I don't see that LE has led the public to think it was JY. I think certain warrants were needed to clear JY and others were needed to find the killers. I think the ones that point to the killer are sealed. Why in the world would JY step on a pillow and then change shoes and step on it again? This just doesn't make any sense. I also find it very strange that in the 911 call MF tells the dispatch that she just moved a pillow. Was it to show why her dna would be on the pillow? I also can't believe that LE thinks that Cassie spent the day in that house and didn't have blood all over the house. Her bloody footprints are in the bedroom and in one bathroom. They were no where else. How did she get to the bathroom? Did she spend all day in that one room with her mom? We heard a very chatty 2 year old in the background of that 911 call. I think if she had spent the day alone there would have been blood all over the house. I can't believe that she wouldn't have wandered around the house looking for her dad. Le have said this is a complicated case and I believe it was. To think that because MF talks to LE makes her not guilty is crazy. There are many people that have talked and cooperated with LE that turn out to be guilty.

I totally agree with all of the above. The only way Cassidy got to that bathroom was to be carried to it. We know the photo of the bathroom is an important piece of evidence because LE went back to measure the tiles. I've also heard there weren't little footprints "all over the house" as Meredith said. The big boo-boo is going to be Meredith's 911 statement.

JMO

[Lacibug]

I must be hitting pretty close to the truth for you to respond with such juvenile name calling. :no:

I didn't realize you are a juvenile but your scenario of Jason needing to turn on the downstairs lights to comfort his child isn't truth anywhere but in your head.

JMO

[Lacibug]

People who try to act like they "know it all" usually KNOW NOTHING
It is apparently clear from your posts (leaf raking expert, dog bladder control expert,voice analyzer,addiction expert and on and on and on...I'm sure there will be more) you fall in that category
If you think your impressing someone you are not
It is impossible to discuss any point in this case with you because you are constantly on the defensive and belittle other people and their opinions
You've made it abundantly clear you believe Meredith and some accomplice murdered Michelle yet I've never seen a clear and concise synopsis of how you think this came down. You fear making a mistake
that you won't be able to correct or that your points would be challanged? imo
Go ahead with a snide reply now I'm ready for it and so is every other person who views this board..you are so transparent

This is an opinion forum. Deal with it....and that inferiority complex you have.:rolleyes:

[5swab5]

(snipped)The glee some get from knowing a murderer is free and living his life is astounding. (snipped)
JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!


Enigma™,

I have thought long and hard about the "glee". I do find it offensive too.

Having said that, I think that there is one primary difference between the JI² and the JDI groups. I will not disappear, no matter what happens. I will try to control myself after the initial rounds of of "crow" and the obligatory "I Told You Sos".

But, regardless of what happens, this has been one of the saddest crimes I have ever followed. It is a no win situation. My heart just bleeds for Cassidy.

MOO

Swabby

RIP Michelle & Rylan.:rose::rose:

[5swab5]

(snipped) The big boo-boo is going to be Meredith's 911 statement.

JMO

Not in your lifetime.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

I didn't realize you are a juvenile but your scenario of Jason needing to turn on the downstairs lights to comfort his child isn't truth anywhere but in your head.

JMO


Makes perfect sense to me!

MOO
SWabby

[Lacibug]

So,once again, where is the arrest?
:confused:

Question for today.

Why didn't Jason leave his SUV in Brevard the nite they drove back to Raleigh and just ride in one of the family vehicles instead?

If there were really bloodstains?

If there were any traces of evidence from the crime scene, hair, fibers, etc?

Sounds like he was not worried about anything that may be found, and more importantly he had nothing to hide.

Why not just leave the car in Brevard until he could get back to it, or ask someone to clean it up?

He would have had a legitimately good reason to ride with fanily members in their cars instead..
:shrug:

Kat

Good points, Kat
:beer:

[BiggerRedDog]

You see nothing wrong with someone thinking a crime scene and all that it implies, to be nothing more than the result of a simple fall?
:disbelief:
:shock:
KatI have no doubt Meredith was in a state of disbelief and shock; I hear that in her voice on the 911 call. I see nothing wrong with an adult speaking with a two-year-old child in those terms, in those circumstances. I don't think for a moment that Meredith thought her sister's death was the result of a fall. From the tone of the 911 call, I doubt anybody seriously believes her reference to a fall was anything other than a gentle question to a young child.

[Lacibug]

No, I don't think there is a dress code. But you don't hear of many burglars wearing high heels, bright white, or neon green clothes do you? Nope. Some things just make more sense than others. Well, to people that have sense that is.

You certainly are in deep denial over that Franklin ATHLETIC shoeprint, size 10s that LE can't tie to Jason Young.

JMO

[5swab5]

(snipped) It was also rumored that the Young's took a shoe out of Jason's closet and measured it against a print in the bathroom. Now why would LE leave shoes in that house with 2 bloody foot prints to try and identify? If LE did leave shoes in that house what a sloppy piece of work they did. (snipped) June


Good Grief,

Now we are back to sloppy police work. Sorry, that worked for OJ, I doubt it will work for Jason.

As for the shoes? Why would Jason's OWN family do that? Unless "shoes" had already been brought to their attention?

WHY didn't the police take all the shoes? Good lord, the boy is a millipede!

MOO

Swabby

P.S. June1943 paragraphs are nice. ;)

[5swab5]

You certainly are in deep denial over that Franklin ATHLETIC shoeprint, size 10s that LE can't tie to Jason Young.

JMO

Only in your mind, do the Franklins not tie to Jason.

MOO

Swabby

[Lacibug]

I never said anything about running or screaming. She could have and should have calmly and quietly walked her out of the house. What makes no sense is leaving a child in a home with her dead mothers body.

I don't believe Meredith ever left CY with her mother's body. I think Meredith deliberately kept her away from Michelle's body for hours as she lingered in Michelle's house, enjoying her time alone with Michelle's things such as her house, jewelry, luxory light-colored SUV and daughter. Hence, no sense of urgency on the 911 call.

JMO

[5swab5]

I don't believe Meredith ever left CY with her mother's body. I think Meredith deliberately kept her away from Michelle's body for hours as she lingered in Michelle's house, enjoying her time alone with Michelle's things such as her house, jewelry, luxory light-colored SUV and daughter. Hence, no sense of urgency on the 911 call.

JMO


Got my vote for the MOST DELUSIONAL POST OF THE DAY!

MOO

Swabby

[Lacibug]

HUH? You better go back and read all the way to the beginning of the quotes. I just said hush puppies wouldn't be a burglar's shoe of choice. If you guys try to make me believe that it was a botched burglary, with two people...apparently one was smart (the Franklin wearer), and one was just plain ole' dumb -- the hp wearer. NONE of this entire conversation even said anything about Jason Young. It was talking about the scenario of robbery.

Feel the need to pipe in sometimes when there is nothing to defend?

I agree that HP's wouldn't be a burglar's shoe of choice. LE have tied Jason to owning Hush Puppies and the murder happened right outside his closet. LE haven't been able to put those shoes on Jason's feet the night of the murder, have they? No.

I wouldn't call leaving a distinct shoeprint of a shoe two sizes smaller than Jason wore and a shoe that LE can't trace to Jason a sign of intelligence, but that's just me.

[Barbara2]

I don't believe Meredith ever left CY with her mother's body. I think Meredith deliberately kept her away from Michelle's body for hours as she lingered in Michelle's house, enjoying her time alone with Michelle's things such as her house, jewelry, luxory light-colored SUV and daughter. Hence, no sense of urgency on the 911 call.

JMO

That's quite the imagination you've got there.
IMO

[5swab5]

I agree that HP's wouldn't be a burglar's shoe of choice. LE have tied Jason to owning Hush Puppies and the murder happened right outside his closet. LE haven't been able to put those shoes on Jason's feet the night of the murder, have they? No.

I wouldn't call leaving a distinct shoeprint of a shoe two sizes smaller than Jason wore and a shoe that LE can't trace to Jason a sign of intelligence, but that's just me.

How come everyone gets to use Jason's shoes, except Jason? Hmmmm?

MOO

Swabby

[urseen]

Quote:
Originally Posted by urseen
< snipped>
You've made it abundantly clear you believe Meredith and some accomplice murdered Michelle yet I've never seen a clear and concise synopsis of how you think this came down. You fear making a mistake
that you won't be able to correct or that your points would be challanged? imo
Go ahead with a snide reply now I'm ready for it and so is every other person who views this board..you are so transparent

This is an opinion forum. Deal with it....and that inferiority complex you have.:rolleyes:

imo Your replies are always oh so pathetically predictable:lol:
No synopsis:shrug: Didn't think so

[Lacibug]

In the early days Jason's family and friends posted on the internet. Jason's friend even called him and told him to lawyer up they are putting this on you. Now for LE to jump on it being Jason so fast they had to have been steered that direction. From what I heard at the services it isn't hard for me to figure out who was at the helm. LE goes after Jason gung ho. Even after finding 2 different size foot prints they still hold to the belief its Jason. How much time passes we will never know and they see no real evidence it is Jason. They know Jason is in Hillsville at 12:00 and they know the killer is at the house between 4 and 5 in the morning. They find out Jason keeps his meeting that morning maybe a little late maybe not. They find out he also stops at a hospital and makes a call on his way to Brevard. Now how many times he called Michele that day we don't know. How many times he called MF that day we don't know. It was even rumored he called LF and asked if she had heard from Michelle that he was worried. I said rumored. Now after LE has searched every thing there is to search they look at some other things. That's the sealed SW that no one seems to know who it went to. Like I stated there could be others. That one is 07-05-07 I believe. Well that is a year and 9 months after the murder. Now what evidence do they expect to find then. It was also rumored that the Young's took a shoe out of Jason's closet and measured it against a print in the bathroom. Now why would LE leave shoes in that house with 2 bloody foot prints to try and identify? If LE did leave shoes in that house what a sloppy piece of work they did. IMO It was also rumored that the linens were left on the bed if that really happened what a sloppy piece of work they did. IMO We know that months later they recovered the furniture from storage to check it for trace evidence. What a sloppy piece of work that was . Oh and remember no rape kit was done. By the time LE got around to thinking maybe Jason didn't do this they had made such a mess of the investigation that unless they find the jewelry this case probably won't be solved. Sorry this post is so long . June

I think the main reason LE left all Jason's shoes is because of the smaller footprints. They obtained Jason's prints with the NTIO and knew his feet were larger than the print in the bathroom so they were approaching it as a hired hit. But, if it was a hired hit, Jason wouldn't be present, he'd be in Hillsville securing his alibi.

Even if LE had taken all of Jason's shoes, I doubt the killer left that bloody Hush Puppie pair in the closet. So LE's late discovery that one of the prints is possibly tied to Jason's shoes, surprised them, they needed to make sure Jason didn't have those shoes and I'm pretty sure they didn't find them or any bloody evidence from his car. What kind of killer helps themselves to shoes at the crime scene and tries to chat it up with a toddler while a 911 operator is on the line trying to help her sister? A sociopathic one.

JMO

[urseen]

I don't believe Meredith ever left CY with her mother's body. I think Meredith deliberately kept her away from Michelle's body for hours as she lingered in Michelle's house, enjoying her time alone with Michelle's things such as her house, jewelry, luxory light-colored SUV and daughter. Hence, no sense of urgency on the 911 call.

JMO
Now you say Meredith was alone with Michelle's things previously you spoke of an accomplice Which is it? What hours of the day or night do you believe she spent there? 1-3 am? 3-6am? You know so much tells us please

[5swab5]

Quote:
Originally Posted by urseen
< snipped>

imo Your replies are always oh so pathetically predictable:lol:
No synopsis:shrug: Didn't think so

You will never get any rhyme or reason.

Just anybody But Jason.

MOO

Swabby

[lilismom]

I totally agree with all of the above. The only way Cassidy got to that bathroom was to be carried to it. We know the photo of the bathroom is an important piece of evidence because LE went back to measure the tiles. I've also heard there weren't little footprints "all over the house" as Meredith said. The big boo-boo is going to be Meredith's 911 statement.

JMO


I'm sitting here thinking about how many times I said "I can't believe you spilled the ___ ALL over the place" and it wasn't really ALL over the place. Glad I wasn't being recorded and held to it.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Lacibug]

Now you say Meredith was alone with Michelle's things previously you spoke of an accomplice Which is it? What hours of the day or night do you believe she spent there? 1-3 am? 3-6am? You know so much tells us please


I'm pretty sure LE knows from Meredith's phone records where she was and when.

JMO

[Lacibug]

I'm sitting here thinking about how many times I said "I can't believe you spilled the ___ ALL over the place" and it wasn't really ALL over the place. Glad I wasn't being recorded and held to it.

IMO,
Lilismom

I don't understand the relevance. Were you staring at a dead body and on the phone with 911 when you made those comments?

[5swab5]

(snip) But, if it was a hired hit, Jason wouldn't be present, he'd be in Hillsville securing his alibi.

Even if LE had taken all of Jason's shoes, I doubt the killer left that bloody Hush Puppie pair in the closet. So LE's late discovery that one of the prints is possibly tied to Jason's shoes, surprised them, they needed to make sure Jason didn't have those shoes and I'm pretty sure they didn't find them or any bloody evidence from his car. What kind of killer helps themselves to shoes at the crime scene and tries to chat it up with a toddler while a 911 operator is on the line trying to help her sister? A sociopathic one.

JMO


How do you suppose that the financially strapped Jason Lynn Young was going to pay for this supposed hit-man? He can't even manage to get himself and Cassidy into a cardboard box after almost 2 years, without mooching off of his family.

Just because YOU think that LE wasn't taking note of Jason's attire when he returned to Raleigh, doesn't make it so. Pat said, Jason removed NOTHING from his luggage. Truth or LIE?

Where's the shirt?:biggrin:

As for the rest of your slam at Meredith, give it up already, nobody is buying it.

MOO

Swabby

[lilismom]

I don't believe Meredith ever left CY with her mother's body. I think Meredith deliberately kept her away from Michelle's body for hours as she lingered in Michelle's house, enjoying her time alone with Michelle's things such as her house, jewelry, luxory light-colored SUV and daughter. Hence, no sense of urgency on the 911 call.

JMO


Why?

She was CY's caregiver for a time. I'm gonna guess she was alone with Michelle's house and things and daughter a lot. Why stick around that night of all nights?

Why didn't she keep CY out of the room all together then?

Don't tell me we're back to the sock dipping theory?

IMO,
Lilismom

[5swab5]

I'm sitting here thinking about how many times I said "I can't believe you spilled the ___ ALL over the place" and it wasn't really ALL over the place. Glad I wasn't being recorded and held to it.

IMO,
Lilismom

OH NO!

Don't start using common sense, we all know that jurors are asked to check that at the door to the Courthouse.;)

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

I'm pretty sure LE knows from Meredith's phone records where she was and when.

JMO

BINGO!

Here's a hint too. IF Meredith's phone records did not hold up, the Feb. SWs would have been for her instead of Jason's mother's house, Kim's house and Jason's storage unit. Amazing how that works.

MOO

Swabby

[lilismom]

I don't understand the relevance. Were you staring at a dead body and on the phone with 911 when you made those comments?

No, thank god.

Can you entertain the possibility that Meredith just meant ALL over the room where she was and not ALL over the house?

The footprints being there at all knocks me for a loop. Imagine being the one to find them?

IMO,
Lilismom

[urseen]

I'm pretty sure LE knows from Meredith's phone records where she was and when.

JMO
Yes I'm sure they do. That's why the focus is not on her:biggrin:

[5swab5]

Why?

(respectfully snipped)
Don't tell me we're back to the sock dipping theory?

IMO,
Lilismom

Please Spare Me.

MOO

Swabby

[HI_CYCLE]

Why?

She was CY's caregiver for a time. I'm gonna guess she was alone with Michelle's house and things and daughter a lot. Why stick around that night of all nights?

Why didn't she keep CY out of the room all together then?

Don't tell me we're back to the sock dipping theory?

IMO,
Lilismom
It was rumored earlier by a couple of posters that Michelle and Jason had at one time made Meredith legal guardian of Cassidy should something happen to them. Something happened and Meredith was removed as her live in baby sitter,booted out of their home and guardianship changed to Jason`s sister. Think maybe her life style come to light and Michelle and Jason took the actions above?

[lilismom]

It was rumored earlier by a couple of posters that Michelle and Jason had at one time made Meredith legal guardian of Cassidy should something happen to them. Something happened and Meredith was removed as her live in baby sitter,booted out of their home and guardianship changed to Jason`s sister. Think maybe her life style come to light and Michelle and Jason took the actions above?


Anything is possible.

Maybe Meredith went to them and said "maybe ___ is better suited to be CY's legal guardian"? Maybe Michelle and Jason decided they'd rather have an established, married couple raise CY and Meredith understood? Maybe Michelle and Jason decided it was time for CY to go to "school" and socialize with other kids? People do that ya know. Even when you have a very capable caregiver willing to keep the child at home. I did.

Just as possible right?

IMO,
Lilismom

[HI_CYCLE]

Anything is possible.

Maybe Meredith went to them and said "maybe ___ is better suited to be CY's legal guardian"? Maybe Michelle and Jason decided they'd rather have an established, married couple raise CY and Meredith understood? Maybe Michelle and Jason decided it was time for CY to go to "school" and socialize with other kids? People do that ya know. Even when you have a very capable caregiver willing to keep the child at home. I did.

Just as possible right?

IMO,
LilismomOr....Maybe they were made aware of her internet posting.:shrug:

[5swab5]

It was rumored earlier by a couple of posters that Michelle and Jason had at one time made Meredith legal guardian of Cassidy should something happen to them. Something happened and Meredith was removed as her live in baby sitter,booted out of their home and guardianship changed to Jason`s sister. Think maybe her life style come to light and Michelle and Jason took the actions above?

NOPE!

But even IF the rumor is true, it wouldn't surprise me that at the time Michelle agreed that the best place for Cassidy would be with a couple, should anything happen to the both of them.

MOO

Swabby

Doubt she would say the same thing right now.

[5swab5]

Or....Maybe they were made aware of her internet posting.:shrug:

PLeeeeeeZE!

Like Michelle wouldn't have known her sister! What she didn't know, was the EVIL that lurked in the one that slept beside her!

MOO

Swabby

[Lacibug]

How do you suppose that the financially strapped Jason Lynn Young was going to pay for this supposed hit-man? He can't even manage to get himself and Cassidy into a cardboard box after almost 2 years, without mooching off of his family.

Just because YOU think that LE wasn't taking note of Jason's attire when he returned to Raleigh, doesn't make it so. Pat said, Jason removed NOTHING from his luggage. Truth or LIE?

Where's the shirt?:biggrin:

As for the rest of your slam at Meredith, give it up already, nobody is buying it.

MOO



Swabby

**************
my, you are a gleeful hypocrite really uninterested in facts. It's okay for you to trash Jason and claim he can't afford a cardboard box but anyone who thinks Meredith is involved gets constantly slammed and insulted by you.

**************

5swab5 Quote:
Originally Posted by enigma™
(snipped)The glee some get from knowing a murderer is free and living his life is astounding. (snipped)
JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!


Enigma™,

I have thought long and hard about the "glee". I do find it offensive too.

Having said that, I think that there is one primary difference between the JI² and the JDI groups. I will not disappear, no matter what happens. I will try to control myself after the initial rounds of of "crow" and the obligatory "I Told You Sos".

But, regardless of what happens, this has been one of the saddest crimes I have ever followed. It is a no win situation. My heart just bleeds for Cassidy.

MOO

Swabby

RIP Michelle & Rylan.

[Lacibug]

Why?

She was CY's caregiver for a time. I'm gonna guess she was alone with Michelle's house and things and daughter a lot. Why stick around that night of all nights?

Why didn't she keep CY out of the room all together then?

Don't tell me we're back to the sock dipping theory?

IMO,
Lilismom

I think she did keep CY out of the room altogether and the child saw only through the doorway, with the pillow obstructing her view of her mother's head. The fact is, LE is using the photo of "red" footprints in the bath as evidence and went back to obtain measurements.

JMO

[Barbara2]

I think she did keep CY out of the room altogether and the child saw only through the doorway, with the pillow obstructing her view of her mother's head. The fact is, LE is using the photo of "red" footprints in the bath as evidence and went back to obtain measurements.

JMO

That theory does not fit with the known evidence. IMO

[Lacibug]

No, thank god.

Can you entertain the possibility that Meredith just meant ALL over the room where she was and not ALL over the house?

The footprints being there at all knocks me for a loop. Imagine being the one to find them?

IMO,
Lilismom

Lilismom, I can't entertain that possibility because if CY had left bloody footprints in the master bedroom, she also would have left them on the carpet outside of that room. She didn't. If you want to believe Jason is the killer that's fine but you also must believe CY was left alone to wander the house for HOURS.

Yet, according to people who were in the house after it was released as a crime scene, there were no CY bloody footprints anywhere but in that bathroom. No bloody fingerprints of CY anywhere, either. Do you honestly believe the child would be in a room with her Mommy for any length of time and never touch Mommy with her little hands? I don't.

JMO

[Barbara2]

Actually, it does fit the known evidence but it doesn't fit with your deep state of denial.

JMO

Once again you're wrong. Your theory doesn't match up with the child's comments about boo-boos, bandaids and washcloths. But true to form, when you ARE wrong you resort to maligning the messenger. Some things never change.

[5swab5]

That theory does not fit with the known evidence. IMO

You are correct.

Neither the evidence, nor the rumors.

Remember the little bloody footprints on the back of Cassidy's bathroom door?

What kind of random murdering burglar doesn't harm a child OR a strange dog. Yet secures a child in a bathroom, only to turn them loose after they are done? NADA!

MOO

Swabby

A father does tho, at least until he can get out of range and call the Auntie to rescue his child. IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

This comment about "glee" should not go unaddressed.

I am afraid I don't see any glee on this Board from anyone.

I think even the most hardened seasoned core Board posters have become or should become resigned to the fact that there is a possibility that this case will not be solved.

And, for some that is unacceptable, as it should be.!

But,I do think it is more like taunting from both sides.

The JDI"s post some story about Jason and we are supposed to accept it at Board value, and not challenge it

The JDI"s make promises, predictions and give false hope to those who are waiting for the case to be solved.

When there is no resolution, the JII's once again challenge why it was posted that there would be.

The JII's have also been known to go on the defensive side when horrible things are posted about Jason and his family.

To call someone a murderer based on what we know, is still pretty out there in left field.

The more time that goes by, the arrogance continues.

In fairness to the JDI's, it is harder to prove something than it is for the JII's to just sit back and count days.

This is a very hard case to follow, with very limited information.

Some posters have left to follow other cases.

The ones who have been here day in and day out for Michelle still remain but not with "glee".

There is no glee in murder.
:(
Kat

[Barbara2]

No, I'm not "wrong" Barbara2. You have no idea as to the context of the child's comments but prefer to make something up. I prefer to rely on known facts.

You seem to have no problem maligning me constantly. :punch:


I'm not the one making something up. Most of your posts today have been pure fantasy with no relation whatsoever to the evidence that is known. This problem you have with projection seems to be getting worse with each new nic. IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

No one will see Meredith arrested for the murders of Michelle and Rylan. The glee some get from knowing a murderer is free and living his life is astounding. And the sad fact is, deep down, they all know who perpetrated this heinous crime. It has become a game of who is right, who is wrong, and who can garner the most attention by their outlandish remarks.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE AND RYLAN!


And, no "we" don't all know who perpetrated this heinous crime.

Thus, the need for a Message Board to talk about it.

Hope this helps.

Kat

[5swab5]

(snipped for multiple posts)

Enigma™,

I have thought long and hard about the "glee". I do find it offensive too.

Having said that, I think that there is one primary difference between the JI² and the JDI groups. I will not disappear, no matter what happens. I will try to control myself after the initial rounds of of "crow" and the obligatory "I Told You Sos".

But, regardless of what happens, this has been one of the saddest crimes I have ever followed. It is a no win situation. My heart just bleeds for Cassidy.

MOO

Swabby

RIP Michelle & Rylan.

***********
my, you are a gleeful hypocrite really uninterested in facts. It's okay for you to trash Jason and claim he can't afford a cardboard box but anyone who thinks Meredith is involved gets constantly slammed and insulted by you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

IF the best you can do is SLAM me for that heartfelt post, I will refrain in the future.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

(snipped).

Yet, according to people who were in the house after it was released as a crime scene, there were no CY bloody footprints anywhere but in that bathroom. No bloody fingerprints of CY anywhere, either. Do you honestly believe the child would be in a room with her Mommy for any length of time and never touch Mommy with her little hands? I don't.

JMO


Well, there is an unbiased source, for sure.

Trying to match up Jason's shoes and all to the footprints on the floor. ROTF!

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Little late in the day for you to be giving me geography lessons about North Carolina.:)

MOO

Swabby


I didn't understand your comment, as Jason is back in Brevard.

He and C went to the beach over the weekend.

Weekend= Fri -Mon.

Today is Wed, Jason is home.

But, now that you mentioned it, look at the places J has taken C.

He is trying to make her life as good as possible.


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I think that the PC in the SWs provide the timeline.:read:

MOO

Swabby


But, why get a s/w for a shirt 15 months later.??

They had to know way back that it was not on an inventory list of the contents seized from the car or anyone else , right?

:confused:

Kat

[5swab5]

I don't believe it is true that Meredith was previously named a guardian and think Michelle and Jason drew up Wills for the first time and named Heather, not Meredith. (snipped)

JMO


That is your prerogative, however misguided.

Who's to tell you? Jason? His family? His friends? That strange voice? For sure Michelle can't verify. Guess we will just have to wait for Jason Lynn Young's trial.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

But, why get a s/w for a shirt 15 months later.??

They had to know way back that it was not on an inventory list of the contents seized from the car or anyone else , right?

:confused:

Kat


It's actually pretty simple, if you break it down.

Pat Young said that Jason did not remove anything from his luggage before heading to Raleigh.

Pat Young said that certain jewelry was missing from the Birchleaf home.

The SW included, not only the shirt that vaporized between Hillsville & Brevard/Raleigh, but the jewelry.

I see a pattern, do you not?

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Enigma™,

I have thought long and hard about the "glee". I do find it offensive too.

Having said that, I think that there is one primary difference between the JI² and the JDI groups. I will not disappear, no matter what happens. I will try to control myself after the initial rounds of of "crow" and the obligatory "I Told You Sos".

But, regardless of what happens, this has been one of the saddest crimes I have ever followed. It is a no win situation. My heart just bleeds for Cassidy.

MOO

Swabby

RIP Michelle & Rylan.:rose::rose:



I have always stated I will be here too.

No matter what.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I have no doubt Meredith was in a state of disbelief and shock; I hear that in her voice on the 911 call. I see nothing wrong with an adult speaking with a two-year-old child in those terms, in those circumstances. I don't think for a moment that Meredith thought her sister's death was the result of a fall. From the tone of the 911 call, I doubt anybody seriously believes her reference to a fall was anything other than a gentle question to a young child.


Why question the child at all?

:confused:

Kat

[5swab5]

No, I'm not "wrong" Barbara2. You have no idea as to the context of the child's comments but prefer to make something up. I prefer to rely on known facts.

You seem to have no problem maligning me constantly. :punch:

The 911 tape has been enhanced by now, certainly by several LE agencies. Just because you weren't "johnny on the spot" @ W.S. when is was originally posted, does not diminish the FACT that it and others exist.

MOO

Swabby

Plain as day! Daddy Did IT!

[5swab5]

(snipped for an attack) I'll take the high road here and place YOU on ignore. I won't miss anything of value.

:seeya:


:seeya:

Can I please be next?

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Why question the child at all?

:confused:

Kat

Who knows?

Trying to make sense of things? Trying to think about the call from Jason that brought her to the house in the first place? Trying to think about something else for a second? Trying to divert Cassidy?
Meredith was clearly in shock to me.

I hope neither of us ever finds ourselves in that same position.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

yeah, it's also a fact that LE hasn't solved this case. LE agencies don't "enhance" evidence, they analyze it. What the toddler said is useless to solving this case because the context in which she said it is unknown. :rolleyes:

So Sorry,

Mayhaps I didn't use the word that you were looking for.

BUT!

IF you think for a single second that LE hasn't taken that 911 tape, removed all the background noise and tweaked it so they can hear everything coming from Michelle's bedroom as clear as is electronically possible, you are sadly mistaken and trying to mislead others.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Was that posting directed to you? No. I've never promised to ignore your attacks. You're quite the hypocrite to accuse me of attacking you when that's all you do in response to my postings that are addressed to other people. :no:

Speaking of hypocritical:

To quote YOU@ 2:43 today..9-24-08:


This is an opinion forum. Deal with it....(snipped for yet another insult)

MOO

Swabby

[Caitriona]

Me too.

There was no way of knowing the killer or killers were not still there, right?

Right?

Kat


Yeah there is. Cassidy was still alive. If Michelle Cassidy and the dog were all dead when Meredith walked in there then yeah, she should've run out of there screaming. But Cassidy was walking around talking and not hurt. Why would Meredith think there was any danger.

O

[Barbara2]

Yeah there is. Cassidy was still alive. If Michelle Cassidy and the dog were all dead when Meredith walked in there then yeah, she should've run out of there screaming. But Cassidy was walking around talking and not hurt. Why would Meredith think there was any danger.

O

Thank you. This point has been made numerous times but it is constantly ignored. Maybe it will be absorbed this time.

[Caitriona]

Thank you. This point has been made numerous times but it is constantly ignored. Maybe it will be absorbed this time.


I don't think so but you're welcome.

[Wyn]

This comment about "glee" should not go unaddressed.

I am afraid I don't see any glee on this Board from anyone.

I think even the most hardened seasoned core Board posters have become or should become resigned to the fact that there is a possibility that this case will not be solved.

And, for some that is unacceptable, as it should be.!

But,I do think it is more like taunting from both sides.

The JDI"s post some story about Jason and we are supposed to accept it at Board value, and not challenge it

The JDI"s make promises, predictions and give false hope to those who are waiting for the case to be solved.

When there is no resolution, the JII's once again challenge why it was posted that there would be.

The JII's have also been known to go on the defensive side when horrible things are posted about Jason and his family.

To call someone a murderer based on what we know, is still pretty out there in left field.
The more time that goes by, the arrogance continues.

In fairness to the JDI's, it is harder to prove something than it is for the JII's to just sit back and count days.

This is a very hard case to follow, with very limited information.

Some posters have left to follow other cases.

The ones who have been here day in and day out for Michelle still remain but not with "glee".

There is no glee in murder.
:(
Kat


And yet the JII's continue to attack the VICTIM'S sister. Make up false stories, delve into her personal comments online when there is no way for anyone, who does not know her personally, to know the context.

Glee? I think I saw glee in your post yesterday that said only "2 more GJ's", as if you think Jason will escape prosecution if he's not arrested by November 3rd. There was glee in your post on September 9th when you said he'd never be arrested. Complete with the grinning jester icon.

I wouldn't spend too time worrying about posters leaving to follow other cases. :shrug:


:seeya:

[Caitriona]

Have you listened to that 911 call.Her sister could have been killed minutes brfore and someone could have been in the bathroom waiting on her and the baby.
It took 5 minutes for that dispatch to get MF to touch her sister. She had no idea as she was standing outside the bedroom door telling the dispatch about the dog barking and how good she usually was under stress and that she was there on a fluke and her sister should be working blab blab. She knew 5 minutes into that call her sister was cold.


So what. Yeah I've listened to it. And I've read all the stuff you and some other people have had to say about it. I had to call 911 one time. Listening to you guys, I conked my husband on the head and moved the rug to throw people off. You'd have loved the part where I worried about clean underwear.

O

[Caitriona]

I find no glee in the fact that the murderer hasn't been arrested. I am glad Jason wasn't arrested because I don't think he killed her. I'm sure that is what Kat meant. I am sure that you would be happy if he was arrested as you think he did kill her. This is a discussion board and we are discussing possible ways and people that could have killed Michelle. I happen to think that her sister very well could have killed her. You disagree , but I will remind you every bad thing said about MF has been backed up with her own words. I look at her picture on the 2003 profile and I look at her picture at the ladybug fest and it doesn't look like the same person. It looks like MF couldn't start living until her sister was dead. Wouldn't Michelle have been proud to see MF look like she does today . It was like a shadow lifted off MF when Michelle was no longer around. I guess its hard living in someones shadow all your life.

Hey you're the one that was talking about the random thing on the myspace the other day right? My teenager got a real a kick out of that one. He was like Mom if I wanted to send a secret message to somebody I'd just text their cell.

[5swab5]

(snipped) I look at her picture on the 2003 profile and I look at her picture at the ladybug fest and it doesn't look like the same person. It looks like MF couldn't start living until her sister was dead. Wouldn't Michelle have been proud to see MF look like she does today . It was like a shadow lifted off MF when Michelle was no longer around. I guess its hard living in someones shadow all your life.

SEZ You!

As for the rest of it.

You do know that people have health scares and are FORCED to lose weight, do you not?

Or is that reality another thing that doesn't exist in that vacuum of a world where you live, and Meredith is automatically guilty of everything?

MOO

Swabby

[Caitriona]

Wonder how many times MF texted his cell? We have no way of knowing , but we do know she said it everytime she commented on his web site. I think she needed to really get that point over. The cops are saying it wasn't random. Keep your mouth shut. IMO


Who cares how many times she texted his cell. I don't. You know that random is a slang word right? Or maybe you don't. It's hard to keep up with the slang young people are using. You gotta stay in touch you know.

[Caitriona]

I look at JY's pictures on his NCMW page and feel the same way.
You know, the ones where he is celebrating his first wedding anniversary as a single male again ? In Puerto Rico ? He was in some cave with his sweet little girl who looked terrified? I think his mother took the picture ? It was like a shadow was lifted off JY when his wife was no longer around. In fact, so much was lifted that he posted them on Craig's List looking for a date!

Did he procure that date?

More importantly , has he cashed in on that huge LI policy?

It's coming up on 2 years. What is he waiting for?

MOO Aggie

That pic really bothers me. Not just cuz Jason put it out there looking for love. Or whatever.

That sweet little girl looks scared to death. I wonder if she thought she was gonna fall. Like her Mommy.

[5swab5]

That pic really bothers me. Not just cuz Jason put it out there looking for love. Or whatever.

That sweet little girl looks scared to death. I wonder if she thought she was gonna fall. Like her Mommy.


No doubt!

How could she ever trust him again?

MOO

Swabby

[HI_CYCLE]

That was, indeed, quite the intelligent move. One of many we will find out about at trial, I am sure.No,IMO the intelligent thing to do would have been to collect every pair of shoes Jason owned as soon as they saw the shoe prints on the pillow cases and searched for the shirt as soon as it was seen on the video. Not 15 months later. That would have been a intelligent move.

[Barbara2]

No,IMO the intelligent thing to do would have been to collect every pair of shoes Jason owned as soon as they saw the shoe prints on the pillow cases and searched for the shirt as soon as it was seen on the video. Not 15 months later. That would have been a intelligent move.

If none of the shoes in the house matched the footprints found, what would have been the probable cause for taking all of his shoes? Police can't just walk into someone's house and take everything without reason.

[HI_CYCLE]

If none of the shoes in the house matched the footprints found, what would have been the probable cause for taking all of his shoes? Police can't just walk into someone's house and take everything without reason. Two different foot prints on a pillow case is reasonable grounds for gathering all the shoes. You made no mention of the shirt. Any reason not to search for it immediately after viewing on video?

[Barbara2]

Two different foot prints on a pillow case is reasonable grounds for gathering all the shoes. You made no mention of the shirt. Any reason not to search for it immediately after viewing on video?

Because he was wearing it at the hotel, it should have been in his luggage and it was not. The search in February was precautionary in preparation for trial. I don't believe they expected to find the shirt. IMO

[HI_CYCLE]

Because he was wearing it at the hotel, it should have been in his luggage and it was not. The search in February was precautionary in preparation for trial. I don't believe they expected to find the shirt. IMOBarbara, there is NO excuse,none and they should be fired due 2 this negligence. MOO

[Barbara2]

Barbara, there is NO excuse,none and they should be fired due 2 this negligence. MOO

They searched for something that they knew they would not find. It was not in his possession, correct? They didn't find it among any of his belongings. Jason's mother said that he left nothing in Brevard when he arrived. It was all in the car. The shirt was not there. Where did it go??

[Jules2]

I presume to know that cops failed to search for a shirt for 15 months, failed to find a tooth, failed to do a rape kit because I can :read: You should spend more time :read: and less time lobbing the childish insults at anyone who doesn't share your twisted view.



JMO


Calling that poster's view "twisted" is just as much an insult. A childish one to boot.

IMO

I will admit that not everything regarding this investigation has been "perfect". Mistakes have been made, just as I am sure they are made in many investigations. However, it doesn't mean that the investigators are idiots, or the posters who have faith in what they are doing in order to find Michelle's killer are idiots either. :no:

[Jules2]

My, aren't you the pot calling the kettle.

I never called the investigators idiots. You need to stop twisting my posts. :no:


Pot calling the kettle?

Show me where I insulted you or called you a name in my post.

I have not twisted your words either.

Perhaps it is you who should :read: more thoroughly.

Just a suggestion......


IMO

[5swab5]

I presume to know that cops failed to search for a shirt for 15 months, failed to find a tooth, failed to do a rape kit because I can (snip) You should spend more time (snip) and less time lobbing the childish insults at anyone who doesn't share your twisted view.
JMO


You should spend more time :read: instead of hitting the :read: emoticon.

#1 The police confiscated everything of Jason's when he FINALLY returned to Raleigh. His mother said he didn't remove anything from the car, so where is the shirt? You know, the one on the video. The one that Jason changed into after he stopped driving, because he was soooo tired, yet back downstairs within an hour? You are not calling Pat a liar, are you? That shirt didn't get up and walk off all by itself.

#2 Just because one of Jason's sisters says that she found a tooth at the crime scene means nothing. Jason could have given it to her, or told her where he hid it.

#3 The "cops" are not responsible for doing rape kits.:rolleyes:

MOO

Swabby

[HI_CYCLE]

I presume to know that cops failed to search for a shirt for 15 months, failed to find a tooth, failed to do a rape kit because I can :read: You should spend more time :read: and less time lobbing the childish insults at anyone who doesn't share your twisted view.



JMOI completly ignore her,she is not worth my time.

[Jules2]

You keep saying it is a slang word. What is it slang for? I read all the other messages that was there for that guy and no one else said random. If you are so in touch tell me what it means.


http://onlineslangdictionary.com/definition+of/random

[annalyzer]

http://onlineslangdictionary.com/definition+of/random

I don't think the slang definition fits the context in which MF used the word. The regular definition of random - having no specific pattern or purpose; haphazard - fits better.

[sonya]

Why question the child at all?

:confused:

Kat

I think that finding Cassidy in that situation, Meredith would have been remiss in not questioning her. The child needed to talk to someone after being alone with her dead mother all that day, that was obvious hearing her in the background jabbering away. It sounded like she was quite relieved to finally have someone to talk to.

[BiggerRedDog]

I think that finding Cassidy in that situation, Meredith would have been remiss in not questioning her. The child needed to talk to someone after being alone with her dead mother all that day, that was obvious hearing her in the background jabbering away. It sounded like she was quite relieved to finally have someone to talk to.
Yes, Sonya. It would have been weird if Meredith didn't ask Cassidy, in the gentle and conversational way she did.
When I found my husband's lifeless body, I even asked the dogs, who were with him, what happened. I didn't exactly expect an answer.
Without blood or a toddler present, it was still a shocking and surreal experience. It never entered my head to leave the house to make the 911 call. I was told to stay on the line with the 911 operator until the police and paramedics arrived and they took over.

[Cardinal]

You're right, of course. I think they didn't take the shoes because they already knew a smaller foot made the print but they certainly could have and should have taken the shoes to the lab to determine if any of them were a match to size. There really is no excuse for their failure to look for the shirt immediately after viewing the video.

JMO


I'm sure they did look for the shirt - in Jason's luggage, his car, and in the house. Apparently they didn't find it any of those places. Why not?

[JHP]

You should spend more time :read: instead of hitting the :read: emoticon.

#1 The police confiscated everything of Jason's when he FINALLY returned to Raleigh. His mother said he didn't remove anything from the car, so where is the shirt? You know, the one on the video. The one that Jason changed into after he stopped driving, because he was soooo tired, yet back downstairs within an hour? You are not calling Pat a liar, are you? That shirt didn't get up and walk off all by itself.

#2 Just because one of Jason's sisters says that she found a tooth at the crime scene means nothing. Jason could have given it to her, or told her where he hid it.

#3 The "cops" are not responsible for doing rape kits.:rolleyes:

MOO

Swabby

#2 wasn't a tooth fairy box missing? Maybe the killer placed it in there for safekeeping?

Was Kim's house ever searched that we know of?

[JHP]

I have a hunch the 7-05-07 sealed SW was for Kim Young's farm.

Is Kim Young's farm on the way from Birchleaf to Hillsville
does anyone know? Does anyone know the acreage of her farm?

[JHP]

No, it is 70 miles south of Raleigh.
A small horse farm < 5 acres, imo.


Thanks, So it would have been hard to swing by and drop stuff off.

[Kat4Eagles]

I have a hunch the 7-05-07 sealed SW was for Kim Young's farm.'



And, because all of your hunches have been so right before, we should run out and put money on this one.??
:rolleyes:

I have a hunch your hunch could not be any more wrong if you tried.

You did try, right?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

That was, indeed, quite the intelligent move. One of many we will find out about at trial, I am sure.




Absolutely brilliant.

:rolleyes:

Kat

[JHP]

Yes, but not hard for her to drive to Raleigh to pick things up and help with CY. Jellybeans and the lion king.


I wonder what kind of car Kim was driving in November 06? Anybody know.

[bookie]

Kat4eagles
Mimiof5
June1943
Hi-Cycle
Bookie



It's more than obvious that you and a couple of others want no discussion that points away from Jason. Too bad for you that this is an unbiased forum that allows all opinions.

[Kat4Eagles]

Yeah there is. Cassidy was still alive. If Michelle Cassidy and the dog were all dead when Meredith walked in there then yeah, she should've run out of there screaming. But Cassidy was walking around talking and not hurt. Why would Meredith think there was any danger.

O


Oh, gosh, I don't know.

Couldn't be the dog freaking out, all the blood, her sister's dead body, a gory, gruesome, horrific crime scene?

Nahh,
It was just another day at the park.

Why would anyone think something was wrong?

:rolleyes:
Kat

[bookie]

'



And, because all of your hunches have been so right before, we should run out and put money on this one.??
:rolleyes:

I have a hunch your hunch could not be any more wrong if you tried.

You did try, right?

Kat

I'll keep my money in the bank. It stands a 100% better chance of growing there. :biggrin:

[Kat4Eagles]

I'll keep my money in the bank. It stands a 100% better chance of growing there. :biggrin:


I don't know about banks right now, lol.

But,since you are "the bookie", maybe you could just tell us a good horse.

:biggrin:

The "Kat"

[5swab5]

I don't believe LE are still looking for that shirt. I think they found witnesses who provided an explanation for why the shirt wasn't in Jason's luggage when he returned to Raleigh.

JMO

Wrong!

IF they had the shirt, or an explanation of why Jason didn't have it, why would the stills from the video of him wearing it at the Hampton, be shown with the release of the last SW.

Answer: They wouldn't have been.

MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't believe they confiscated all of Jason's luggage and the search for the shirt seems to have ended 8 months ago. To me, it's a non-issue.



Hmmmmmmm, remember Michelle's therapist dealt with transgender issues?

So, instead of a male dressing up like a woman, maybe it was the opposite, a woman who liked to dress up in male clothes...who left the hush puppy prints and the size 10 shoes.

Maybe someone had been playing dress up in Jason's clothes and closet and got caught earlier and then later got called on it by Michelle ?

And, maybe that is what Michelle was trying to deal with.

:cough:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Ok...please forgive me and don't take this as an insult in any way, as I am usually open for a good discussion...

But this really made me laugh out loud. I don't know why...but I did and I really needed a good laugh today. Thanks Kat! I am being serious. Tough day at work and they just nearly heard me snort.

You are welcome, actually, it was serious though.
It could have caused a big fight that led to Michelle's death.
And, while the idea of this is "funny", Michelle's death was not.

:(
Kat

[5swab5]

Hmmmmmmm, remember Michelle's therapist dealt with transgender issues?

So, instead of a male dressing up like a woman, maybe it was the opposite, a woman who liked to dress up in male clothes...who left the hush puppy prints and the size 10 shoes.

Maybe someone had been playing dress up in Jason's clothes and closet and got caught earlier and then later got called on it by Michelle ?

And, maybe that is what Michelle was trying to deal with.

:cough:

Kat

Unbelievable!

You're going to have to do better than that before this goes before a jury. I wouldn't want you to get laughed out of the CourtRoom.

MOO

Swabby

You also really need to do something about that cough, it has been hanging on way too long.

[Kat4Eagles]

very possible considering a Judge concluded the visit to the therapist is tied to Michelle's death.


It could explain the complicated part.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Unbelievable!

You're going to have to do better than that before this goes before a jury. I wouldn't want you to get laughed out of the CourtRoom.

MOO

Swabby

You also really need to do something about that cough, it has been hanging on way too long.


But, better than the fishbat theory posted here.?

Okay, it may need some work.
:)

Kat

[bookie]

I don't know about banks right now, lol.

But,since you are "the bookie", maybe you could just tell us a good horse.

:biggrin:

The "Kat"




LOL I'm not that kind of bookie. :biggrin:

[annalyzer]

Hmmmmmmm, remember Michelle's therapist dealt with transgender issues?

So, instead of a male dressing up like a woman, maybe it was the opposite, a woman who liked to dress up in male clothes...who left the hush puppy prints and the size 10 shoes.

Maybe someone had been playing dress up in Jason's clothes and closet and got caught earlier and then later got called on it by Michelle ?

And, maybe that is what Michelle was trying to deal with.

:cough:

Kat

Meredith could not have fit into Jason's clothes.

[5swab5]

?? Do we know for a fact a judge concluded that?


In a rare legal move, a therapist has been ordered to disclose records from therapy sessions she had with a slain Wake County mother leading up to her death.

According to the order, issued last Friday by Wake County Superior Court Judge Donald Stephens, Kimball Jane Sargent has information relevant to the homicide investigation of Michelle Young.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1211049/

[5swab5]

actually it is much better than the fishbat theory or the drysuit w/cowboy boot theory or the turn-on-all-the-lights-downstairs-to-comfort-child theory.

JMO

Although the fishbat theory was not mine, I kinda' liked it. Just for the simple fact that boat owners have a lot of strange paraphernalia. Plus extra gas tanks, just the thing that one might back up a car to a garage to remove.


MOO

Swabby

[Kat4Eagles]

Meredith could not have fit into Jason's clothes.

......or shoes?

Kat

[5swab5]

Desperate is to lock yourself into one theory and refuse to see any other, no matter how ridiculous or silly they may seem.

Desperate is also not to have someone behind bars almost 2 years after this murder.

Kat


Nope,

Desperate is constantly throwing out ideas, that are not only absurd, but in direct contrast to one another in a very lame attempt at implicating Meredith.

Example:

Meredith was jealous of Michelle's clothes, now today...she was wearing Jason's clothes.

Pick a lane.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Wouldn't the same be said for Meredith too? She is not in jail after 2 years either....

:shrug:

I mean...I am open to theories, it is just some are way more unlikely than others. And for those that keep saying, "see...he must be innocent...they don't have enough to arrest him after 2 years..." Well, like I said, they apparently don't have enough to arrest Meredith after two years either.

Anyone ready to start the "paper delivery person" did it theory?

Sure,

Maybe he is a cross-dresser and wanted ALL the clothes @ BirchLeaf.:biggrin:

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

MF ask for and got all of Michelle's clothes.



So What if she did?

Michelle was her sister. Would you rather that Michelle's clothes be donated to the Salvation Army, local PTA or simply tossed in the trash like they usually are?

I give Meredith kudos for even wanting to be entrusted with that responsibility.

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

Wouldn't the same be said for Meredith too? She is not in jail after 2 years either....

:shrug:

I mean...I am open to theories, it is just some are way more unlikely than others. And for those that keep saying, "see...he must be innocent...they don't have enough to arrest him after 2 years..." Well, like I said, they apparently don't have enough to arrest Meredith after two years either.

Anyone ready to start the "paper delivery person" did it theory?


To be fair to both sides if LE were only looking at Jason for months then they wouldn't have had that long to look at MF so the two year mark wouldn't apply. There is some reason LE has said this case is complicated.

[annalyzer]

......or shoes?

Kat

:shrug::shrug:

[5swab5]

To be fair to both sides if LE were only looking at Jason for months then they wouldn't have had that long to look at MF so the two year mark wouldn't apply. There is some reason LE has said this case is complicated.


Yep, that word complicated keeps cropping up.

Wonder if complicated is LE's euphemism for well-planned?

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

Yep, that word complicated keeps cropping up. ~snip



Blame it on LE. They're the ones who said it.

[5swab5]

Blame it on LE. They're the ones who said it.

Oh, I don't have any problems with how LE labels things, in fact I think it is kinda' smart.

MOO

Swabby

[JHP]

Wouldn't the same be said for Meredith too? She is not in jail after 2 years either....

:shrug:

I mean...I am open to theories, it is just some are way more unlikely than others. And for those that keep saying, "see...he must be innocent...they don't have enough to arrest him after 2 years..." Well, like I said, they apparently don't have enough to arrest Meredith after two years either.

Anyone ready to start the "paper delivery person" did it theory?

It's funny that you brought that up. Because when I was reading here this morning I thought about what luck it was that the paper delivery person saw what he did and took notice of it.

Jenna Nielson was also a paper delivery person. I think for a different paper however, it was not too far away from Michelles.

Just kind of interesting, Thats all. I'm sure the PDP was also able to ID the kind of light colored SUV it was.

JMO

[Caitriona]

Oh, gosh, I don't know.

Couldn't be the dog freaking out, all the blood, her sister's dead body, a gory, gruesome, horrific crime scene?

Nahh,
It was just another day at the park.

Why would anyone think something was wrong?

:rolleyes:
Kat


I wasn't answering a question about Meredith thinking something was wrong. I was answering your question about why Meredith wouldn't think there was a killer still in the house when she got there. :shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

Nope,

Desperate is constantly throwing out ideas, that are not only absurd, but in direct contrast to one another in a very lame attempt at implicating Meredith.

Example:

Meredith was jealous of Michelle's clothes, now today...she was wearing Jason's clothes.

Pick a lane.

MOO

Swabby

:lol:

I told you I was all over the place in this case.

I am not leaving a stone unturned, a leaf untouched, a newspaper unread, and a message board unscathed,

Remember I have had a hurricane named after me.!!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

MF ask for and got all of Michelle's clothes.



Spill !!!

I didn't hear this one.

So, is this why the weight loss?

Hmmm.

Very interesting.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I wasn't answering a question about Meredith thinking something was wrong. I was answering your question about why Meredith wouldn't think there was a killer still in the house when she got there. :shrug:


But , she looked , right?

When it finally dawned on her, that this was no fall,..that there might
have been foul play, and after she touched the pillow, and told the 911

operator that important detail, :rolleyes: did it then occur to her, that utoh, there might be someone else in the house???????????????????????

:shrug:

Kat

[Caitriona]

But , she looked , right?

When it finally dawned on her, that this was no fall,..that there might
have been foul play, and after she touched the pillow, and told the 911

operator that important detail, :rolleyes: did it then occur to her, that utoh, there might be someone else in the house???????????????????????

:shrug:

Kat

I don't know. And you don't either. The tape ends after that. Maybe she did what you think she ought to have done and ran screaming out of the house. I don't think so though. She doesn't strike me as the type to get all hysterical and scare Cassidy to death.

O