Sunday Morning 9/21

[need2no]

I'm confused about the timeline. If Jesse thought he was the father, then obviously they had a relationship for longer than 6 months. They were officially engaged for 6 months. Caylee was born in August, and they got engaged in December. They spoke about adopting while she was pregnant. He said she was his first love, and spoke about how much he loved her. Doesn't sound like a one night stand type of thing to me.

He indicated that Casey told him Caylee's father was a one night stand ... I wonder if Jesse's father was speaking of Caylee's father as well when he made that statement.

:shrug:

IMO


On the 08/30 Geraldo show interview in response to Craig Rivera's guestion...tell me about their relationship, Richard Grund responds:

"Initially it was a short one date thing...then Casey told Jesse she was pregnant and he was the father."


So...I'm guessing they only went out once and had sex...then maybe in Nov/Dec she advises him she is pregnant with his child and they become engaged...then break off in May. So it seems they were only together as a couple approximately 6-7 months. They broke up months before Caylee was born.

Richard Grund told Craig Rivera AFTER Caylee was born Jesse had the DNA and found out he was NOT the father of Caylee.

[ann10]

If you look at the website of the firm that set up the trust fund, you will understand the reason for their decision to remove themselves.

http://www.bichlerlaw.com/our-experience.html

I seriously doubt it had anything at all to do with mishandling of funds. imo. That is the whole purpose of a trust. The money, in theory, then becomes immune to misuse.

[?noanswer]

I'm trying to figure out how such a nice guy like Jesse got mixed up with a person as manipulaive as Casey.


Casey manipulated him and made him think he was the father of Caylee. JMO

[SavannahStar]

You aren't aloone in thinking that Casey loved Caylee...I just think that love was a very different thing to Casey than it is to most of us. IMO, Casey loved her child like a two year old loves a doll...play with it, fix its hair, toss it aside in boredom...scream with jealousy when someone else picks up "their" toy....abandon it when it becomes broken.
I do think she tried to "love" Caylee to the best of her limited abilities....but Casey is just not capable of the empathy, sacrifice, and giving required of real love.
JMO.


I don't totally agree with all of that, OneUP, but that's what makes this board interesting. :)

[rosejustrose]

On the 08/30 Geraldo show interview in response to Craig Rivera's guestion...tell me about their relationship, Richard Grund responds:

"Initially it was a short one date thing...then Casey told Jesse she was pregnant and he was the father."


So...I'm guessing they only went out once and had sex...then maybe in Nov/Dec she advises him she is pregnant with his child and they become engaged...then break off in May. So it seems they were only together as a couple approximately 6-7 months. They broke up months before Caylee was born.

Richard Grund told Craig Rivera AFTER Caylee was born Jesse had the DNA and found out he was NOT the father of Caylee.


I wonder how many other one night stands she went to and told they were the father? IMO, Jesse was the only one who stepped up to the plate to attempt to do the right thing and Casey tossed him aside and, according to him, broke his heart. JMO.

[Briar]

It's their house. I think they should be able to have whomever they want there, whenever they want.

Kinda like Charles Manson??

I don't always agree with peoples methods but I can understand the frustration of not being able to help because the Anthony family are keeping the truth from coming out. I would guess that any one of those protestors would be willing to spend equal time searching if Casey would tell us where. As for the remark about 7 perfect children... The majority of the world wouldn't claim to be raising perfect children, but we do our best to raise children who are positive additions to society and if (God forbid) they do something like this that they be accountable. In all of this nightmare, only Caylee is innocent. Which of the Anthony's are looking out for her??

[marshmallow]

Another rumor. Not surprising at all in this case.

some of the few non-rumors in this case are that Casey had Caylee then Casey didn't have Caylee. Since then Casey has lied about what happened to Caylee.

[impartial]

On the 08/30 Geraldo show interview in response to Craig Rivera's guestion...tell me about their relationship, Richard Grund responds:

"Initially it was a short one date thing...then Casey told Jesse she was pregnant and he was the father."


So...I'm guessing they only went out once and had sex...then maybe in Nov/Dec she advises him she is pregnant with his child and they become engaged...then break off in May. So it seems they were only together as a couple approximately 6-7 months. They broke up months before Caylee was born.

Richard Grund told Craig Rivera AFTER Caylee was born Jesse had the DNA and found out he was NOT the father of Caylee.


Okay ... thanks ... I didn't know they broke up before Caylee was born.

[SavannahStar]

If you look at the website of the firm that set up the trust fund, you will understand the reason for their decision to remove themselves.

http://www.bichlerlaw.com/our-experience.html

I seriously doubt it had anything at all to do with mishandling of funds. imo. That is the whole purpose of a trust. The money, in theory, then becomes immune to misuse.


Thanks, ann! :seeya: But people see what they want to see.

[Velouria]

So you think the law firm and the bank people are lying too?


Because law firms and bankers never lie...just ask the wonderful folks at Lehman Bros.

Besides, if the money was never properly received into the trust, there's no fiduciary duty by the trustees to report. Like donations sent to private PayPal accounts with the promise they would be deposited on behalf of the donor.

[day2day]

I'm trying to figure out how such a nice guy like Jesse got mixed up with a person as manipulaive as Casey.

She seems to be able to be many things...to many people. JMO :seeya:

[need2no]

Some people are able to love with their hearts ... with depth. Other people love with ... accessories. There's a distinct difference between the two. What appears to be love is often without depth.




It takes courage to love, but pain through love is the purifying fire which those who love generously know. We all know people who are so much afraid of pain that they shut themselves up like clams in a shell and, giving out nothing, receive nothing and therefore shrink until life is a mere living death. ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

[Pebbles]

You are their mom, so I'm betting they are close to perfect. I mean that sincerely.
:)

I never expect perfection, but my husband and I have always told our children they are responsible for their actions. What paths they chose to take in their lives is up to them, my husband and I only laid the foundation, they had to build the house.

Thank you, I really do appreciate your comment.

My husband and I always say we are happy that we do not have to raise our children now, we believe we had it a lot easier when our children were small. Parenting is and always will be the most rewarding, and at times most demanding job in the world!

I do not wish to be in the Anthonys shoes, but my husband and I also do not agree with how we see the Anthonys defending and protecting their daughter. Casey is no longer a child and should be treated as an adult, it is time for her parents to let her grow up and take responsibility for her actions. The Anthonys do not have to stop loving Casey in order to do that.



:rose: For sweet, little Caylee.

[GrannyB]

They didn't want their reputation sullied. And they didn't want to be associated with the anti-LE, anti-law abiding Anthonys.

imo

I agree. Now what about the bank?

[luvinlife]

Hopefully that will put a stop to all those nasty rumors that the Anthony's have used that money improperly.



It won't imo

[Celiarun]

No reason though? Seems like I read someplace earlier it was (paraphrased) pressure from bloggers, etc.

Has any wrongdoing with the funds been shown?

In the article, the attorney denies any wrongdoing and said he can account for all monies spent. Apparently there were allegations made about wrongdoing and because there isn't a lot of money in the fund, it isn't worth their time to fight the allegations so they pulled the plug. It's kinda a shame because it sounds as though the money was spent on searching for Caylee. :shrug:

[?noanswer]

I thought they got engaged after Caylee was born?


I think Caylee was born in 08-05 and they got engaged 12-05. JMO

[desmom]

If you look at the website of the firm that set up the trust fund, you will understand the reason for their decision to remove themselves.

http://www.bichlerlaw.com/our-experience.html

I seriously doubt it had anything at all to do with mishandling of funds. imo. That is the whole purpose of a trust. The money, in theory, then becomes immune to misuse.

Thank you for the link.

What if the family were receiving donations through the mail at their home address? Are they required to turn it over to the trust? What if they did not turn it over to the trust, but deposited it their own personal account? TIA

[GrannyB]

I thought they got engaged after Caylee was born?


In the message Jesse's dad wrote on his ms (I think that's where I read it) he said they babysat Caylee at their home for a year. I don't remember when they were engaged.

[impartial]

I thought they got engaged after Caylee was born?


That's what I thought too.

Getting more confused here.


They got engaged in December 05.

Caylee was born August 05.

So, I guess I'll go back to my original post. With the timeline, and Jesse saying how much he loved Casey, it doesn't sound like a one night stand type of thing to me ... and wonder if Jesse's father meant Caylee's real father was a one night stand.

:confused::confused::confused:

IMO

[day2day]

Thanks, ann! :seeya: But people see what they want to see.

Help me out here Savanah....
Personally I think that this trust fund is wrong on SO many levels. They are collecting for "searches". Asking for money to be sent to THEIR home. Lee has accepted money to his PAYPAL?

What am i not seeing?

[WillowInFlight]

SS, you know I love and respect you so I have to ask. Do you think Casey loved Caylee like a "regular/normal" mom loves a child?

I know I'm not SS, just logging back on after having dinner with the family. I think Casey loved Caylee more like one would love a little sister.

[GrannyB]

In the article, the attorney denies any wrongdoing and said he can account for all monies spent. Apparently there were allegations made about wrongdoing and because there isn't a lot of money in the fund, it isn't worth their time to fight the allegations so they pulled the plug. It's kinda a shame because it sounds as though the money was spent on searching for Caylee. :shrug:

What searching?

[need2no]

I wonder how many other one night stands she went to and told they were the father? IMO, Jesse was the only one who stepped up to the plate to attempt to do the right thing and Casey tossed him aside and, according to him, broke his heart. JMO.

I wondered the same...I've also wondered if she took funds from some of them for an abortion she didn't have and later said mom wouldn't allow her to abort.

I once worked with a girl who told 4 guys she had been with that she was pregnant with their baby (she wasn't even pregnant), and took money from each of them to have an abortion. Two of the men were very generous...these 2 were MARRIED men. She explained she needed some work done on her car and didn't have the funds to do so. She felt no guilt or remorse saying they reaped the reward. I was like :eek:, and couldn't believe she would do such a thing, let alone volunteer such trash about herself.

[day2day]

Thank you for the link.

What if the family were receiving donations through the mail at their home address? Are they required to turn it over to the trust? What if they did not turn it over to the trust, but deposited it their own personal account? TIA

I dunno desmom. I think they are wrong. Asking for water for searches? WHAT searches? They have (in the last two days) removed asking for gas cards, target cards, home depot cards.. Lee has accepted funds into his paypal.
When is the search going to start? :shrug:

[Pruddennce]

Pru, I do not know if you might still have access to Casey's original MS page and postings, or if you might recall. But did Casey post anything on or about the day of June 26th?
Thanks either way...
If you haven't the info. perhaps somene else here does?

hi oneup, someone compiled this list here: also go thru the threads at the bottom 1,2,3 they take you to different ms/facebooks of some of her previous friends....

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6902

best regards,
Pru

[Velouria]

Thank you for the link.

What if the family were receiving donations through the mail at their home address? Are they required to turn it over to the trust? What if they did not turn it over to the trust, but deposited it their own personal account? TIA


Yep. And who knows how the giftcards have been used, either.

[day2day]

Originally Posted by Celiarun
In the article, the attorney denies any wrongdoing and said he can account for all monies spent. Apparently there were allegations made about wrongdoing and because there isn't a lot of money in the fund, it isn't worth their time to fight the allegations so they pulled the plug. It's kinda a shame because it sounds as though the money was spent on searching for Caylee

What search?

[tiny paw-prints]

I'm trying to figure out how such a nice guy like Jesse got mixed up with a person as manipulaive as Casey.

It's no doubt, in my mind, that George, Cindy, Lee and Casey are manipulative in a very convincing and conniving, each of them are habitual liars in their own unique individualistic way. It truly astounds me.

[Pebbles]

Beautiful. And incredibly appropriate.

But having said that, I don't give the Anthonys a pass for their lack of courage. They are a family of 4 adults who have sacrificed a toddler so that they can try not to feel pain.

Excellent post SayWHAT.

[rosejustrose]

I thought they got engaged after Caylee was born?

They did. Caylee was born 8/9/05 they got engaged 12/31/05.

[txsage]

Tonight's vigil cancelled:
http://www.wesh.com/news/17523471/detail.html

from the link:
Meanwhile, the Anthonys said they're canceling their weekly Sunday night prayer vigil outside their home to "ensure the safety of all of their friends, supporters and neighbors."

The family's representative, Larry Garrison, said in a statement that the Anthonys were saddened that they won't be able to pray with their friends for Caylee.

They are asking anyone who would normally join them to light a candle for Caylee at 8:30 p.m. Sunday.

"Please say a prayer for Caylee's safe return, as well as for the return of peace on Hopespring Drive," Caylee's grandmother, Cindy, requested.

[marshmallow]

In the article, the attorney denies any wrongdoing and said he can account for all monies spent. Apparently there were allegations made about wrongdoing and because there isn't a lot of money in the fund, it isn't worth their time to fight the allegations so they pulled the plug. It's kinda a shame because it sounds as though the money was spent on searching for Caylee. :shrug:



I wonder if it's more about Lee asking for donations to be sent to his paypal and he'd deposit it into the trust for the gifters. Would you want your company name attached to that?

[msjoni]

I thought they got engaged after Caylee was born?

They were, they got engaged Dec 31, 2005, Caylee would have been 4 months old, Casey broke the engagement May of 2006....:)

[Velouria]

It's kinda a shame because it sounds as though the money was spent on searching for Caylee. :shrug:


Not unless the search areas consisted of the Anthonys' front yard and the Publix parking lot.

[GrannyB]

Tonight's vigil cancelled:
http://www.wesh.com/news/17523471/detail.html

from the link:
Meanwhile, the Anthonys said they're canceling their weekly Sunday night prayer vigil outside their home to "ensure the safety of all of their friends, supporters and neighbors."

The family's representative, Larry Garrison, said in a statement that the Anthonys were saddened that they won't be able to pray with their friends for Caylee.

They are asking anyone who would normally join them to light a candle for Caylee at 8:30 p.m. Sunday.

"Please say a prayer for Caylee's safe return, as well as for the return of peace on Hopespring Drive," Caylee's grandmother, Cindy, requested.

Hey Cindy, You want peace on Hopespring Dr? MOVE and it will happen.

[marshmallow]

Tonight's vigil cancelled:
http://www.wesh.com/news/17523471/detail.html

from the link:
Meanwhile, the Anthonys said they're canceling their weekly Sunday night prayer vigil outside their home to "ensure the safety of all of their friends, supporters and neighbors."

The family's representative, Larry Garrison, said in a statement that the Anthonys were saddened that they won't be able to pray with their friends for Caylee.

They are asking anyone who would normally join them to light a candle for Caylee at 8:30 p.m. Sunday.

"Please say a prayer for Caylee's safe return, as well as for the return of peace on Hopespring Drive," Caylee's grandmother, Cindy, requested.




plus the HOA asked them to stop holding those.

[rosejustrose]

In the article, the attorney denies any wrongdoing and said he can account for all monies spent. Apparently there were allegations made about wrongdoing and because there isn't a lot of money in the fund, it isn't worth their time to fight the allegations so they pulled the plug. It's kinda a shame because it sounds as though the money was spent on searching for Caylee. :shrug:


IMO the bigger problem may be people donating through lee paypal questioning whether or not the bank received their donations. I believe the bank can account for every penny they administered just not every penny donated. MOO.

[Tessie]

[QUOTE=need2no;12160230]I wondered the same...I've also wondered if she took funds from some of them for an abortion she didn't have and later said mom wouldn't allow her to abort.

Casey was almost or was 8 months pregnant before they ever took her to the dr. Some family tried to tell CA and GA that she was and they didn't believe them. I forget now where I read read it...it's been awhile.

[nutterbutter]

I wondered the same...I've also wondered if she took funds from some of them for an abortion she didn't have and later said mom wouldn't allow her to abort.

I once worked with a girl who told 4 guys she had been with that she was pregnant with their baby (she wasn't even pregnant), and took money from each of them to have an abortion. Two of the men were very generous...these 2 were MARRIED men. She explained she needed some work done on her car and didn't have the funds to do so. She felt no guilt or remorse saying they reaped the reward. I was like :eek:, and couldn't believe she would do such a thing, let alone volunteer such trash about herself.
new thread is open when this reaches 1000.Please follow and continue here...........
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12160253#post12160253

[WillowInFlight]

Not unless the search areas consisted of the Anthonys' front yard and the Publix parking lot.

Ah yes the Publix parking lot where George was handing out water and asking for donations.

[day2day]

plus the HOA asked them to stop holding those.

Absolutely.hammer

[jammies]

Ah yes the Publix parking lot where George was handing out water and asking for donations.



I would love to see an itemized list how they spent the donation money.

Lawyers?

[Velouria]

Tonight's vigil cancelled:
http://www.wesh.com/news/17523471/detail.html

from the link:
<snipped>
"Please say a prayer for Caylee's safe return, as well as for the return of peace on Hopespring Drive," Caylee's grandmother, Cindy, requested.

I think peace will return on Hopespring drive when Casey is back in jail, so yes, I am praying for that.

[SavannahStar]

SS, you know I love and respect you so I have to ask. Do you think Casey loved Caylee like a "regular/normal" mom loves a child?


Thank you so much for that compliment ratched! :rose:

Well, in many ways I do. For one thing, though, what is "normal" or "regular"? Remember Casey was a young mother. I myself became a mother at a later age. I saw vast differences in my parenting of my son than other kids' parents that were a lot young than me and had a kid my son's age.

Remember that many people have stated that Casey was a good mother. I don't recall one person who said she wasn't? And according to Jesse last night, contrary to what has been bandied about for a long time on here now, she ALWAYS had somebody watch Caylee for her when she went out. How many times have I heard on here, oh she probably put her out with benadryl or chloroform all the time when she wanted to party.......she probably left her alone to go party......etc., etc. Well seems like all that speculation is untrue. How much more that we've heard about Casey and Caylee is untrue? I have to wonder.

I think the main reason people think Casey didn't love Caylee in the "normal" mother way is her actions after Casey was missing. I admit that those actions are beyond understanding. I can only chalk it up to Casey having, like I've said before, such a unique and unusual and strange personality make-up, that it is almost unexplainable.

I saw literally hundreds of photos of Casey and Caylee together, and Caylee with others and alone. And videos. So many have said on here that photos are deceiving. Yes, they are sometimes. But so many of them.....in MY own opinion (not shared by others obviously) I saw a very real love there between Casey and her daughter. It's a gut thing, that I see being a mother myself. Others disagree, that's fine with me.

All that being said with the caveat that I DO believe that Casey killed Caylee. I cannot explain that. I am still leaning toward an accidental death. I also, as I said, cannot explain her actions after Caylee's death. But I leave that up to the bona fide psychologists who may someday study Casey....IN PERSON. Not the TV shrinks.

[need2no]

Beautiful. And incredibly appropriate.

But having said that, I don't give the Anthonys a pass for their lack of courage. They are a family of 4 adults who have sacrificed a toddler so that they can try not to feel pain.


I don't give them a pass either. They are sacrificing one for the other, probably because they KNOW it's too late for Caylee, and they won't admit it to avoid the pain.

Here's another one I find fitting:

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.---Patrick Moynihan

[ann10]

Thank you for the link.

What if the family were receiving donations through the mail at their home address? Are they required to turn it over to the trust? What if they did not turn it over to the trust, but deposited it their own personal account? TIA


Assuming that the check isn't made out to the trust, then depositing it into one's personal account would be embezzlement, fraud.

[txsage]

Well said, Savannah Star! :beer:

[SavannahStar]

Help me out here Savanah....
Personally I think that this trust fund is wrong on SO many levels. They are collecting for "searches". Asking for money to be sent to THEIR home. Lee has accepted money to his PAYPAL?

What am i not seeing?

Who said Lee was asking money for his paypal? I don't know this for fact yet day2day.

They could be searching in ways we don't know about. I honestly don't know.

[need2no]

[QUOTE=need2no;12160230]I wondered the same...I've also wondered if she took funds from some of them for an abortion she didn't have and later said mom wouldn't allow her to abort.

Casey was almost or was 8 months pregnant before they ever took her to the dr. Some family tried to tell CA and GA that she was and they didn't believe them. I forget now where I read read it...it's been awhile.

Rick, Cindy's estranged brother, said this on Topix forum.

[OneUp]

IMO the bigger problem may be people donating through lee paypal questioning whether or not the bank received their donations. I believe the bank can account for every penny they administered just not every penny donated. MOO.
That is what I believe has become questionable as well. I think some who sent checks have written and called to ask if their funds ever mde it into the account...it is hard to refute things like Checks that specify they are earmaked for the trust....folks are getting back cancelled checks and wondering why their money has not been used to search, possibly wondering why TES was not aided or even given moral support.
I know of people who sent checks to the Anthonys' with letters clearly stating that they wanted to support the SEARCh for Caylee ( don't tell me about it! I warned them to wait for an official source to recieve donations.). I have suggested to them that they contact either the bank or the attorney if they are concerned about why $ for a search has yet to be used for searching....or the DA. and the State of Florida.
JMO.

[need2no]

As usual, no personal responsibility. The public should pray for Caylee's return, and the public is responsible for bringing peace back to Hopespring Drive.

Cindy: walk down the hall and into your daughter Casey's bedroom. There is where you will find the answer to Caylee's whereabouts. There is where you can start restoring peace to your neighborhood.

There's nothing any of us can do for you, Cindy, so stop the game. Way past time to get real.


:beer:

:rose: For Caylee

[SavannahStar]

:)Well said, Savannah Star! :beer:

Thank you. :rose:

[day2day]

As usual, no personal responsibility. The public should pray for Caylee's return, and the public is responsible for bringing peace back to Hopespring Drive.

Cindy: walk down the hall and into your daughter Casey's bedroom. There is where you will find the answer to Caylee's whereabouts. There is where you can start restoring peace to your neighborhood.

There's nothing any of us can do for you, Cindy, so stop the game. Way past time to get real.

All we can do is pray. And NOT donate our well earned cash to them.
I will in a heartbeat fly to Florida if/when Tim Miller returns for his next search.
The rest is up to the Anthony's!

[txsage]

I have to share this story. It's case-related.
Last night, my 91 yr-old Dad (who knows NOTHING of this case) , mentioned giving chloroform to my puppy if he didn't settle down. I completely froze! WTH!! Eeerie, and scary.....:chicken:

[GrannyB]

Thank you so much for that compliment ratched! :rose:

Well, in many ways I do. For one thing, though, what is "normal" or "regular"? Remember Casey was a young mother. I myself became a mother at a later age. I saw vast differences in my parenting of my son than other kids' parents that were a lot young than me and had a kid my son's age.

Remember that many people have stated that Casey was a good mother. I don't recall one person who said she wasn't? And according to Jesse last night, contrary to what has been bandied about for a long time on here now, she ALWAYS had somebody watch Caylee for her when she went out. How many times have I heard on here, oh she probably put her out with benadryl or chloroform all the time when she wanted to party.......she probably left her alone to go party......etc., etc. Well seems like all that speculation is untrue. How much more that we've heard about Casey and Caylee is untrue? I have to wonder.

I think the main reason people think Casey didn't love Caylee in the "normal" mother way is her actions after Casey was missing. I admit that those actions are beyond understanding. I can only chalk it up to Casey having, like I've said before, such a unique and unusual and strange personality make-up, that it is almost unexplainable.

I saw literally hundreds of photos of Casey and Caylee together, and Caylee with others and alone. And videos. So many have said on here that photos are deceiving. Yes, they are sometimes. But so many of them.....in MY own opinion (not shared by others obviously) I saw a very real love there between Casey and her daughter. It's a gut thing, that I see being a mother myself. Others disagree, that's fine with me.

All that being said with the caveat that I DO believe that Casey killed Caylee. I cannot explain that. I am still leaning toward an accidental death. I also, as I said, cannot explain her actions after Caylee's death. But I leave that up to the bona fide psychologists who may someday study Casey....IN PERSON. Not the TV shrinks.


I agree with most of this. I'm not convinced Casey knew Caylee was missing while she was out partying. I lean towards an accident also, but not with Casey but with Cindy.

[tiny paw-prints]

They did. Caylee was born 8/9/05 they got engaged 12/31/05.

IIRC, Caylee was born Aug 09 05.
George filed for divorce Dec 29 05.
Casey and Jesse were engaged Dec 31 05.
Casey and Jesse broke up May 06.
George rescinded the divorce Dec 07.

[impartial]

Thank you so much for that compliment ratched! :rose:

Well, in many ways I do. For one thing, though, what is "normal" or "regular"? Remember Casey was a young mother. I myself became a mother at a later age. I saw vast differences in my parenting of my son than other kids' parents that were a lot young than me and had a kid my son's age.

Remember that many people have stated that Casey was a good mother. I don't recall one person who said she wasn't? And according to Jesse last night, contrary to what has been bandied about for a long time on here now, she ALWAYS had somebody watch Caylee for her when she went out. How many times have I heard on here, oh she probably put her out with benadryl or chloroform all the time when she wanted to party.......she probably left her alone to go party......etc., etc. Well seems like all that speculation is untrue. How much more that we've heard about Casey and Caylee is untrue? I have to wonder.

I think the main reason people think Casey didn't love Caylee in the "normal" mother way is her actions after Casey was missing. I admit that those actions are beyond understanding. I can only chalk it up to Casey having, like I've said before, such a unique and unusual and strange personality make-up, that it is almost unexplainable.

I saw literally hundreds of photos of Casey and Caylee together, and Caylee with others and alone. And videos. So many have said on here that photos are deceiving. Yes, they are sometimes. But so many of them.....in MY own opinion (not shared by others obviously) I saw a very real love there between Casey and her daughter. It's a gut thing, that I see being a mother myself. Others disagree, that's fine with me.

All that being said with the caveat that I DO believe that Casey killed Caylee. I cannot explain that. I am still leaning toward an accidental death. I also, as I said, cannot explain her actions after Caylee's death. But I leave that up to the bona fide psychologists who may someday study Casey....IN PERSON. Not the TV shrinks.


:beer:


I agree with the videos, photos. I would discount them if people came out claiming she was a horrible mom.

IMO

[snowflakes]

I find it very telling that none of the Anthonys' friends or relatives have come to their defense, or even to visit them, from the looks of the webcam. JMO

[day2day]

Who said Lee was asking money for his paypal? I don't know this for fact yet day2day.

They could be searching in ways we don't know about. I honestly don't know.

I have read emails where Lee has told people it was ok to send funds to his paypal. I will pass the emails along-after i talk to the donor! I
have always been under the impression if you have a trust all of the funds must be deposited into THE trust. Not paypal accounts..or gift cards? i have no doubt the bank will have a correct accounting, it is the rest of the funds i wonder about. I also wonder if they can move this money from a search trust to casey's defense fund. THAT would be the kicker...

:rose:

[desmom]

Assuming that the check isn't made out to the trust, then depositing it into one's personal account would be embezzlement, fraud.

Thank you!

[rosejustrose]

I agree with most of this. I'm not convinced Casey knew Caylee was missing while she was out partying. I lean towards an accident also, but not with Casey but with Cindy.

Where was Casey on Father's Day and what kind of shape was she in, drinking wise, I mean? JMO.

[panokatana]

Thank you so much for that compliment ratched! :rose:

Well, in many ways I do. For one thing, though, what is "normal" or "regular"? Remember Casey was a young mother. I myself became a mother at a later age. I saw vast differences in my parenting of my son than other kids' parents that were a lot young than me and had a kid my son's age.

Remember that many people have stated that Casey was a good mother. I don't recall one person who said she wasn't? And according to Jesse last night, contrary to what has been bandied about for a long time on here now, she ALWAYS had somebody watch Caylee for her when she went out. How many times have I heard on here, oh she probably put her out with benadryl or chloroform all the time when she wanted to party.......she probably left her alone to go party......etc., etc. Well seems like all that speculation is untrue. How much more that we've heard about Casey and Caylee is untrue? I have to wonder.

I think the main reason people think Casey didn't love Caylee in the "normal" mother way is her actions after Casey was missing. I admit that those actions are beyond understanding. I can only chalk it up to Casey having, like I've said before, such a unique and unusual and strange personality make-up, that it is almost unexplainable.

I saw literally hundreds of photos of Casey and Caylee together, and Caylee with others and alone. And videos. So many have said on here that photos are deceiving. Yes, they are sometimes. But so many of them.....in MY own opinion (not shared by others obviously) I saw a very real love there between Casey and her daughter. It's a gut thing, that I see being a mother myself. Others disagree, that's fine with me.

All that being said with the caveat that I DO believe that Casey killed Caylee. I cannot explain that. I am still leaning toward an accidental death. I also, as I said, cannot explain her actions after Caylee's death. But I leave that up to the bona fide psychologists who may someday study Casey....IN PERSON. Not the TV shrinks.

Have there ever been any pics posted with Caylee and perhaps some little friends her own age? At a birthday party, playing in the yard? I remember thinking, when my girls were little, how sweet and cute their little "relationships" were. How they would hold hands, or hug their friends...overcome shyness and bond! We have a lot of pics of "neighborhood friends" with my girls, (even at Caylee's age), and my parents had the same of me. Just wondering if anyone besides family, came to her birthday party, played in her playhouse, etc.

JMO

[rosejustrose]

We're over a 1,000 posts, FYI.

[GrannyB]

I have read emails where Lee has told people it was ok to send funds to his paypal. I will pass the emails along-after i talk to the donor! I
have always been under the impression if you have a trust all of the funds must be deposited into THE trust. Not paypal accounts..or gift cards? i have no doubt the bank will have a correct accounting, it is the rest of the funds i wonder about. I also wonder if they can move this money from a search trust to casey's defense fund. THAT would be the kicker...

:rose:

Well they weren't searching so they must have thought they could get to the money somehow. When they found out they couldn't I bet the bank and lawyer got an earful.

[need2no]

THIS THREAD HAS GONE OVER 1,000 posts, Nutterbutter has opened an afternoon thread:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=340903

[ann10]

Thank you!
:seeya:

So sad that this case has become such a circus. I am beginning to wonder if it will interfere with justice being served.

[impartial]

Have there ever been any pics posted with Caylee and perhaps some little friends her own age? At a birthday party, playing in the yard? I remember thinking, when my girls were little, how sweet and cute their little "relationships" were. How they would hold hands, or hug their friends...overcome shyness and bond! We have a lot of pics of "neighborhood friends" with my girls, (even at Caylee's age), and my parents had the same of me. Just wondering if anyone besides family, came to her birthday party, played in her playhouse, etc.

JMO


My boys didn't have friends at age 2.

I didn't take them to pre-school until age 4. The first time they had a friend over was when they were 3 1/2 ... from paste, pour and paint classes.

But, I have twins ... so I don't know if that makes a difference.

IMO

[lonetraveler]

Have there ever been any pics posted with Caylee and perhaps some little friends her own age? At a birthday party, playing in the yard? I remember thinking, when my girls were little, how sweet and cute their little "relationships" were. How they would hold hands, or hug their friends...overcome shyness and bond! We have a lot of pics of "neighborhood friends" with my girls, (even at Caylee's age), and my parents had the same of me. Just wondering if anyone besides family, came to her birthday party, played in her playhouse, etc.

JMO


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You bring up a good point. I have not seen any photographs showing Caylee with any playmates. The little girl appeared to be only with young adults or grandparents.

[day2day]

I agree, day.

My prayer is that one of the adult Anthonys hears the voice of God and does the right thing. IMO, that's the only way we'll ever know what happened to Caylee, or where her remains can be found.

I really do believe that in Gods time Caylee will be found. I pray his time is soon. :rose:

[Rebel Rouzer]

All we can do is pray. And NOT donate our well earned cash to them.
I will in a heartbeat fly to Florida if/when Tim Miller returns for his next search.
The rest is up to the Anthony's!

I am defnitely going to do my best to go back to Florida when TES/Tim goes back to search.

[WillowInFlight]

I am defnitely going to do my best to go back to Florida when TES/Tim goes back to search.

Hopefully you won't be going alone

[nutterbutter]

THIS THREAD HAS GONE OVER 1,000 posts, Nutterbutter has opened an afternoon thread:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=340903

thanks.you rock!:rose:

[GrannyB]

I think it already has.

imo

How? Jury hasn't even been picked yet. The only ones I see interfering with justice are the 3 Anthony's who know what happened and won't tell.

[crymeariver2006]

They didn't want their reputation sullied. And they didn't want to be associated with the anti-LE, anti-law abiding Anthonys.

imo


ITA.

Their website says they protect the rights of first responders (i.e. police).

Nothing in there about fronting or administering a trust for the family of a POI in the disappearance of a 3 year old child.

Even the article that was posted about the trust closing was just one more hateful snipe at TES.

[?noanswer]

Yep. And who knows how the giftcards have been used, either.

I don't know about other stores, but if you buy a gift card from Walmart, you can go to their web site and enter the number and find out the dates and amounts that were expended. JMO

[Deb7]

Does anyone know when she started at Universal and when she was fired?

It is listed in the papers that were available for download a couple of weeks ago. All of the documents, you know what I'm talking about right?

Well, it listed her hire date, and then it listed a bunch of other hiring info, then it listed the date of separation (or whatever they called it). There was one for some guy in that download of docs too.

I will look for it and let you know if I find it, unless someone else knows of the top of their head.

[Deb7]

It is listed in the papers that were available for download a couple of weeks ago. All of the documents, you know what I'm talking about right?

Well, it listed her hire date, and then it listed a bunch of other hiring info, then it listed the date of separation (or whatever they called it). There was one for some guy in that download of docs too.

I will look for it and let you know if I find it, unless someone else knows of the top of their head.


OK Guitarded, I found it. It was from this document 17290449 pdf and it was on pages 120 and 121.

It is a screenshot of Universals employee info and it gives a bunch of info
page 120
Status: Employee
Effective Date: 8/23/04

and on page 121

Employee status: terminated
Effective date: 4/24/06

[ann10]

Hello ann hope you are well. This site looks to me like something GA would have used, before. Know what I mean? Hiyas board buddies :D


Hi Jenny :seeya:

[Lilly12]

Love is blind maybe?


Yeah. Don't make love at the garden gate, love is blind, but the neighbors an't.

[panokatana]

OK Guitarded, I found it. It was from this document 17290449 pdf and it was on pages 120 and 121.

It is a screenshot of Universals employee info and it gives a bunch of info
page 120
Status: Employee
Effective Date: 8/23/04

and on page 121

Employee status: terminated
Effective date: 4/24/06

Has it ever been said why Casey was terminated?
Just makes me wonder if she might have been up to her financial "shenanigans" or mistruths even back then.

JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

Assuming that the check isn't made out to the trust, then depositing it into one's personal account would be embezzlement, fraud.

Thanks for your expertise Annie. If I read it correctly over on WS people were writing and asking for a detailed report on the monies spent and that is when the problems arose, especially with Lee and his little paypal account. This law firm was very wise to disassociate themselves. IMO.

[barskin&co.]

Has it ever been said why Casey was terminated?
Just makes me wonder if she might have been up to her financial "shenanigans" or mistruths even back then.

JMO

On page 288 of the documents is a page showing her total wages for the last two quarters. They were $1,408.45 and $2,518.28. That's an average of about $153 a week. She might have been let go for absenteism. On the other hand, she might have had a seasonal job, and they just didn't need her. Why she couldn't find another job in more than 2 years is a wonder,though.

[FoxySly]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ?WudScoobyDo
You're right, the Anthony's arent most people, they are Caylee's grandparents. The ONLY people who ever loved and cared for that little girl.

Link please!

I KNOW you can not provide one because your post is NOT THE TRUTH so it is in your opinion ONLY

Not IMO but as FACT.... Caylee was very much loved by Jesse & his family FACT! I am quite certain many, many more.

So remember when you post your many untruths to add IMO. TIA

Sly