Sunday Morning 9/21

[Rebel Rouzer]

That would have been a difficult task with the SPRINKLERS turned on....
I'm just sayin'



OH, JMO as well.

Why did one of the A's try and take the sign and turn on the sprinklers on her? Was she being mean or was the sign mean? What did candle girl do to provoke the A's?

[Boojum Snark]

I think that question was directed at me.
:shrug:

OneUp answered my question for you. You should thank her. :)

[SavannahStar]

Hi everyone -
I have a question. I hope it's not a stupid one: Those of you who say George and Cindy are lying, how do you know they're lying? I couldn't say without a doubt that they're lying. Maybe they BELIEVE what they're saying is the truth? Like when someone asks "Do you believe me?", and you say "I believe that you believe it's the truth." Ya know?

Hi.. Its a very good question. I notice you haven't gotten a lot of answers. I think the story just sounds better and more sinister when its implied that the Anthony family is lying.


Oh it is a good question. I'm just catching up here but after her post I was fully expecting someone to respond, "Is that you Cindy?" :D Maybe that's coming though. Back to reading. :read:

[Joan Weiss]

Interesting, isn't it?
Too bad that they didn't change the "Volunteer" page to ask for the efforts of people to actually help to search for Caylee!
Nope.
All the A's need to find Caylee is donations...
They also still list Bichler & Kelley, P.A. as administering the "Trust Fund."
I thought that B&K pulled out and closed the account at Suntrust Bank?Yes, very interesting. It's an act; they really don't want anyone to find her... imo

[tiny paw-prints]

Here's the lyric's link of the song by Johnny Cash that Rev Grund recently put up on his MySpace page:

Johnny Cash - God's Gonna Cut You Down

http://artists.letssingit.com/johnny-cash-lyrics-gods-gonna-cut-you-down-51sqvzz

[dixielover]

Yes. After Caylee was born he took a DNA test which showed he wasn't the father, and he still remained in their lives, sitting for Caylee and giving her love. He's a good guy.


I think he was a keeper- Caylee life sure would have been different- it sounds like he was from a stable family imo

[msgatorslayer]

Yes, but, what did Casey do with the $$$ that she stole?
Where did the money go?

Shopping trips and going out could explain away $4.5K pretty easily for someone extravagant.

If the amount is closer to $45K - what did Casey do with the money?

No matter if the figure from Cindy is 4.5k or 45k, IMO, Casey didn't 'steal' this w/o Cindy's approval. Cindy would be well aware of any charges showing up on her credit cards or withdrawls from her banking account. If she wanted to, she would have, and could have, nipped Casey's spending in the bud before it reached $100.

[Rayosunshine]

I will set the record straight here, no one is picking on anyone. Go back and read the entire thread and you will see that one poster wrote inaccurate information. When they were corrected by several posters they became accusatory and snarkie, instead of admitting they made a mistake. End of story.:read:

That poster was treated rudely. I have already read the entire thread.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[rosejustrose]

Im wondering if Caseys wild side emerged after she turned 21 and legal age to get in the bars.

I think it was there beforehand. IIRC there was a copied email/myspace comment here that she sent to Lee asking him to bring beer to Caylee's 1st b-day party as she felt she needed to get boozed up or something to that affect. IMO, she was an underage drinker, too. JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Didn't you go out at age 22? I know I did.

You know I sure didn't I had a 2 year old at the time to tend to, for some reason I decided to put my life on the back burner until the kids were a lot older. But again that was my choice.

[Joan Weiss]

Don't think I don't agree with you, but I thought this was about CAYLEE?I hope so. I've never attended, have you? imo

[panokatana]

Yes he was. Sad. :(

If Casey (allegedly) wanted out, and away from her "controlling" mother and her "makes me feel awkward" dad, does anyone know why she broke off the engagement with Jesse? It seems his parents accepted her, he was employed, he stated that he lovED both Caylee and Casey, and wanted to be part of Caylee's life once she was born.
Wonder why she turned down this opportunity. Even if she might have eventually used him as a "stepping stone" to break away from her parents.
It seems Jesse was her way out. Why break off the engagement?

JMO, based on what I've read...

[Rayosunshine]

I agree. I signed back on after a very nice morning session and went directly to the last page and all I see is fussing and fighting. I saw a recent notice on WS that messages like that were being deleted. Since they don't do that here, it is wise to use the ignore button, unfortunately you still see the name and know there was a snide post. You can agree to disagree in a respectful manner. I see there really isn't any more news on CAYLEE, so I'm signing out. I hope the nasty remarks to each other stop before I sign back in later. Get over it FGS and get on with making some good points on the case. :no:

Messages on this board are most certainly deleted. This from my own experience here. Best to bookmark a message if you want to keep it.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[bluwaters]

CaseyCam is up!
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

[Boojum Snark]

Well.. by all means... Welcome. We are looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

Thank you for the welcome. I hope it is sincere.

[msgatorslayer]

Someone last night actually accused CW of being Cindy.
duh.
:chicken:

:eek:....Oh my!!! It must have been a noob.

[Joan Weiss]

Totally Off topic Joanie...but I love ABBA too!:) They are just fun, "happy" music. My parents listened to them some when i was little....
Back on topic, I am still not seeing much about last nights Memorial/ demonstraion...I'm hoping that is because nnothing bad happened except for the "bullying" of the Candle girl by removing her sign and candles and putting the sprinkler on her...for shame Anthony's!:no:
JMOTHAT was about Caylee...Shame. imo

[rosejustrose]

ABSOLOUTELY! The A's turn on EVERYONE!! I cant wait to watch them turn on each other!!

KARMA;)


Should be interesting. But remember, they eat their young:rolleyes:

[bluwaters]

No matter if the figure from Cindy is 4.5k or 45k, IMO, Casey didn't 'steal' this w/o Cindy's approval. Cindy would be well aware of any charges showing up on her credit cards or withdrawls from her banking account. If she wanted to, she would have, and could have, nipped Casey's spending in the bud before it reached $100.
Apparently, Cindy did not know about the $$$ stolen from the GPs.

[barskin&co.]

I think he was a keeper- Caylee life sure would have been different- it sounds like he was from a stable family imo


It's amazing. Casey did not surround herself with slackers or criminals. They were good people who worked and went to school and led honest lives. She tried to play a role that she was like them: A hard-working single mother, with an associates degree, going back to school, working as an event planner. What a surprise it must have been to find out that she was an unemployed high school drop-out who was a thief and much, much worse.

[Joan Weiss]

So did Susan Smith seem like a good mother. Everybody said she was a good mother. That's why the murder of Alex and Michael by their mother was so shocking.

I don't know if Casey killed Caylee ( I am more inclined to believe she gave Caylee away so Cindy couldn't have her. She hates Cindy more than she loves Caylee, IMO.

Casey is cold, and unfeeling. I base this observation on things Casey herself said. We all react different in times of grief, but she said to Cindy: All you want is Caylee back. This tells us what an uncaring mother Casey is. She doesn't care!...and that cold flatness of experession in her voice is chilling. Alone it may mean nothing, coupled with her words it shows she is an iceberg.

mho

mhoITA. A selfish, whining little girl, imo.

[rosejustrose]

And, wouldn't you think there'd be something to show for it, or some talk among/from her friends about how lavish her spending was?

Somebody close to Casey had bad financial problems.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


Nate said she never seemed to be hurting for cash. I wonder if all her belonging were recovered from TonE's apartment and everywhere else she stayed. IMO, they may have found receipts for a lot of purchases in the car. But, I have a feeling the money was spent on drinking and drugging. JMO.

ETA - yes, her parents have bad financial problems, or did before the findcaylee fund. JMO.

[st777jo]

No matter if the figure from Cindy is 4.5k or 45k, IMO, Casey didn't 'steal' this w/o Cindy's approval. Cindy would be well aware of any charges showing up on her credit cards or withdrawls from her banking account. If she wanted to, she would have, and could have, nipped Casey's spending in the bud before it reached $100.

And not only that, but Cindy could have used the threat of turning Casey in and used that threat to keep Caylee with Cindy. jmo, jo

[Velouria]

Why did one of the A's try and take the sign and turn on the sprinklers on her? Was she being mean or was the sign mean? What did candle girl do to provoke the A's?


Probably nothing Rebel... It's always Hammer Time at Chez Anthony these days.

[msgatorslayer]

Apparently, Cindy did not know about the $$$ stolen from the GPs.

Right. But Cindy says Casey stole lots of money from her. Isn't this where the 4.5 or 45k figure comes from? Money that was alledged to have been stolen from Cindy?

hammer Maybe I'm getting confused, lol

[msjoni]

Good Afternoon Everyone! I can't keep up with this board and I hope this link wasn't already posted but here is the Geraldo show from Aug 30, 2008 with Jesse Grunds Dad.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIV--7GgkXg&feature=related

if the link doesn't work go to you tube Geraldo aug 30, 2008 part two

[Joan Weiss]

NO one is forcing them to cancel.....they could have had it at their church or some where else......JMHOImo, I would be praying all day long, every day. They only wanted Casey supporters there. imo

[Margo555]

Yes!
big developements to come which will surprise us.


I got the impression that it was from LE and that TES was aware of them.


I have also read on WS that Tim always makes the announcement when a body or parts of a body are found and then the LE answer any questions. Anyone know if that is true? If it is, this could be it tomorrow. MOO Didn't the guy say in the interview he hoped the protesters would be gone Monday???

[Rebel Rouzer]

Probably nothing Rebel... It's always Hammer Time at Chez Anthony these days.


Hi :seeya: If that girl wasn't doing anything at all to provoke them. Then they should be ashamed of themselves. Are the Gardian Angels still hanging out there? I've missed so much just in 2 days of no news or board reading.

[WillowInFlight]

For someone unmarried, I don't think it unusual for a young woman to go out, even if they have a baby. I did.

My neighbor that lived across the hall from me at that age was a single mother, I had no problem babysitting her son, nor did I judge her. It was just something I chose not to do. I can't say what I would have done if I had been single.

[marshmallow]

Thanks desmom!
Why do you think it is being reported out of town first? :confused:

Missing Girl's Family Forced To Cancel Vigil
Casey Anthony Fears For Her Safety

http://cbs4.com/local/casey.anthony.caylee.2.822296.html




and.... the HOA requested it. Now to get rid of the protesters and press. The circus has to end, on all three rings. Let the family bond in peace.

[rosejustrose]

CaseyCam is up!
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

Thanks for the link, blu. And in case I forgot, thank you for always being their with the candles link.:rose:

PS - another weird angle today. Yuk.

[bluwaters]

If Casey (allegedly) wanted out, and away from her "controlling" mother and her "makes me feel awkward" dad, does anyone know why she broke off the engagement with Jesse? It seems his parents accepted her, he was employed, he stated that he lovED both Caylee and Casey, and wanted to be part of Caylee's life once she was born.
Wonder why she turned down this opportunity. Even if she might have eventually used him as a "stepping stone" to break away from her parents.
It seems Jesse was her way out. Why break off the engagement?

JMO, based on what I've read...

We really don't know an awful lot about Jesse. He seems to be a very nice young man. I can't figure out where he fits in.

Has anyone other than Geraldo and Jesse stated that Cindy has accused Jesse of killing Caylee and putting her in Casey's trunk?

Has Cindy ever made any kind of statement indicating that Caylee was dead?

I would like to know more about this story.

jmho

[Boojum Snark]

Maybe they really are slackers and criminals, who just appear to be good people.

imo

Maybe they really are good people, who just appear to be slackers and criminals to your eyes.

[Joan Weiss]

I think that question was directed at me.
:shrug:You try to make everything about you, imo. This is the Caylee board. :rolleyes:

[OneUp]

You know I sure didn't I had a 2 year old at the time to tend to, for some reason I decided to put my life on the back burner until the kids were a lot older. But again that was my choice.You know Willow, I didn't go out anymore at 22, I had a two year old myself. My oldest was born in march of 1992 ( My BD is late in 1971)...I mamaged to put my selfish needs and wants aside and focus on school, creating a safe home for my baby, and enjoying time with her...not desperately seeking those "prickly things" (TM another poster...ratched? was it you?) and drinking till my liver turned.
It never seemed like a big sacrifice then, and it certainly doesn't now when I look back.:shrug: Maybe deciding to love and bond with your child is a choice for some, but it never was a choice for me.
JMO.

[Velouria]

Somebody close to Casey had bad financial problems.


It appears anyone associated with Casey had financial problems. Just ask Amy.

[SavannahStar]

Beats me, but sometimes it gets the board shut down and/or posters banned.

It reminds me of a gang of bullies sometimes. :( Several posters are always picked on. And then THEY get blamed for wanting the board shut down when CW has actually stated it's people who continually harrass and talk about posters they don't like.

So, MyrDawn, do you believe TES will hold a PC tomorrow, and if so what do you expect to hear?

:)

[impartial]

We really don't know an awful lot about Jesse. He seems to be a very nice young man. I can't figure out where he fits in.

Has anyone other than Geraldo and Jesse stated that Cindy has accused Jesse of killing Caylee and putting her in Casey's trunk?

Has Cindy ever made any kind of statement indicating that Caylee was dead?

I would like to know more about this story.

jmho


I haven't heard it reported anywhere else ... also, did Geraldo couch it terms of a "rumor"? I don't recall.

IMO

[rosejustrose]

Right. But Cindy says Casey stole lots of money from her. Isn't this where the 4.5 or 45k figure comes from? Money that was alledged to have been stolen from Cindy?

hammer Maybe I'm getting confused, lol


I think it would depend on what Cindy considered a lot of money. IMO, $4K might have been a lot. JMO.

[Boxer]

It appears anyone associated with Casey had financial problems. Just ask Amy.

her parents for two. they owed some money and were behind on some payments at the point of the bond hearing. don't know anything about Lee's finances.

[bluwaters]

Im wondering if Caseys wild side emerged after she turned 21 and legal age to get in the bars.
She was a pregnant teen who apparently doesn't know who impregnated her. That sounds a bit on the wild side to me.

jmho

[dixie77]

A radio show host mentioned that there would be a press conference by TES on Monday. I'm not sure I believe it.

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=838
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I agree with u. What could TES possibly have to say? The only think i can think of is that they will be back here to resume they search sometimes soon. And we all know that already. So i wouldnt hold my breath waiting on a news conference. JMO

[Boxer]

She was a pregnant teen who apparently doesn't know who impregnated her. That sounds a bit on the wild side to me.

jmho

sounds right to me

[Velouria]

Hi :seeya: If that girl wasn't doing anything at all to provoke them. Then they should be ashamed of themselves. Are the Gardian Angels still hanging out there? I've missed so much just in 2 days of no news or board reading.

Heya Reb. :)
I was gone most of yesterday myself, but made it home in time for Jesse's interview last night. I think it was relatively calm at the Anthonys' for a change. Wonder how long that will last once LE has their presser tomorrow?

[barskin&co.]

You know Willow, I didn't go out anymore at 22, I had a two year old myself. My oldest was born in march of 1992 ( My BD is late in 1971)...I mamaged to put my selfish needs and wants aside and focus on school, creating a safe home for my baby, and enjoying time with her...not desperately seeking those "prickly things" (TM another poster...ratched? was it you?) and drinking till my liver turned.
It never seemed like a big sacrifice then, and it certainly doesn't now when I look back.:shrug: Maybe deciding to love and bond with your child is a choice for some, but it never was a choice for me.
JMO.

I don't see anything wrong with Casey going out occasionally (although, I would have to say, those days are over). The whole point was that Jesse said she wasn't a "go-out" girl, which probably was true during their relationship, because she was pregnant at the time.
It is obvious that her "go-out" status changed after that.

[rosejustrose]

Heya Reb. :)
I was gone most of yesterday myself, but made it home in time for Jesse's interview last night. I think it was relatively calm at the Anthonys' for a change. Wonder how long that will last once LE has their presser tomorrow?

Is it LE's PC or TES' PC? TIA

[Regina.Lampert]

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I agree with u. What could TES possibly have to say? The only think i can think of is that they will be back here to resume they search sometimes soon. And we all know that already. So i wouldnt hold my breath waiting on a news conference. JMO

Perhaps their announcement has to do with another Florida case?

[marshmallow]

And, wouldn't you think there'd be something to show for it, or some talk among/from her friends about how lavish her spending was?

Somebody close to Casey had bad financial problems.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

I'd guess some was spent on herself, her hair..nails..clothes, some on party expenses like buying drinks. Those clubs are expensive, I wonder how often Casey bought rounds. She also paid for trips to PR didn't she? It adds up to a pretty big sum.

[OneUp]

You know Willow, I didn't go out anymore at 22, I had a two year old myself. My oldest was born in march of 1992 ( My BD is late in 1971)...I mamaged to put my selfish needs and wants aside and focus on school, creating a safe home for my baby, and enjoying time with her...not desperately seeking those "prickly things" (TM another poster...ratched? was it you?) and drinking till my liver turned.
It never seemed like a big sacrifice then, and it certainly doesn't now when I look back.:shrug: Maybe deciding to love and bond with your child is a choice for some, but it never was a choice for me.
JMO.Quoting myself to clarify that I was NOT criticizing what Willow said...but my post looks like I am...just chiming in to agree with her. My post should have been better worded!
I think most DECENT single mothers are too busy between childrren and work to have much of a social life...especially if they attend college full time too. I would have needed to give up sleep to "Par-tay".
JMO...Sorry for how the original sounded Willow!:)

[rosejustrose]

Perhaps their announcement has to do with another Florida case?

Good point. There are a lot of missing people in FL. Maybe they have identified the bones found last week in Marion County. JMO.

[True2Blues]

Maybe they really are slackers and criminals, who just appear to be good people.

imo

I haven't seen any evidence of that, but if you know where it can be found I'm sure we'd all like to see it.

[desmom]

Yes, but, what did Casey do with the $$$ that she stole?
Where did the money go?

Shopping trips and going out could explain away $4.5K pretty easily for someone extravagant.

If the amount is closer to $45K - what did Casey do with the money?


IMO, Casey told several people she had $15,000 in the bank and she felt the need to keep up appearances.

In Amy's interview with LE

Page 257:

"A: I never..I very rarely see her with cash. Always a credit card.

Q: But you noticed she paid for everything with plastic?

A: Yeah when she always talks about she, she never has cash."

Page 258:

"A: ......Um, she apparently like bled her mom dry. Screwed her credit up, everything. And all this stuff I learned yesterday."

jmo

[Velouria]

It reminds me of a gang of bullies sometimes. :( Several posters are always picked on. And then THEY get blamed for wanting the board shut down when CW has actually stated it's people who continually harrass and talk about posters they don't like.
<snip>

And some posters are constantly using ad hominem attacks, trying to pick a fight, then cry foul when they are challenged in any way.

Differing viewpoints, I suppose. :)

[Rebel Rouzer]

Heya Reb. :)
I was gone most of yesterday myself, but made it home in time for Jesse's interview last night. I think it was relatively calm at the Anthonys' for a change. Wonder how long that will last once LE has their presser tomorrow?

I don't know. Do we know if TES is holding the PC from Texas or Florida? I'd like to know what TES or LE has that had developed and will surprise us all.

I can't believe I missed Jesse's interview.

[marshmallow]

I don't see anything wrong with Casey going out occasionally (although, I would have to say, those days are over). The whole point was that Jesse said she wasn't a "go-out" girl, which probably was true during their relationship, because she was pregnant at the time.
It is obvious that her "go-out" status changed after that.

It's almost like she tried to become the person she might have been if she wasn't a parent at such a young age.
My exhusband did the same. He was 19 when our son was born and he tried to be the young man who hung out with his friends of that age. Problem was, he wasn't them. He had a child and responsiblity. No matter how much he tried to get away from it, reality is reality. Casey's reality doesn't sound too swell, not compared to her friend's lives. I think she was trying too hard to be what she couldn't be anymore.

[Fallen Angel]

Perhaps their announcement has to do with another Florida case?

did some report say the other it would "shock" us?

[rosejustrose]

IMO, Casey told several people she had $15,000 in the bank and she felt the need to keep up appearances.

In Amy's interview with LE

Page 257:

"A: I never..I very rarely see her with cash. Always a credit card.

Q: But you noticed she paid for everything with plastic?

A: Yeah when she always talks about she, she never has cash."

Page 258:

"A: ......Um, she apparently like bled her mom dry. Screwed her credit up, everything. And all this stuff I learned yesterday."

jmo


So Cindy told Amy what Casey had done with her credits cards when Amy took Cindy to Casey? IMO, Cindy had to have known during June what was going on with the stolen money. JMO.

[SavannahStar]

I haven't heard it reported anywhere else ... also, did Geraldo couch it terms of a "rumor"? I don't recall.

IMO


Geraldo said he "heard" it and Jesse said he "heard" it.

So.........:shrug:

That sounds like a rumor to me.

[barskin&co.]

I'd guess some was spent on herself, her hair..nails..clothes, some on party expenses like buying drinks. Those clubs are expensive, I wonder how often Casey bought rounds. She also paid for trips to PR didn't she? It adds up to a pretty big sum.

No, I do not believe for a moment that she paid foir trips to PR. It has been stated that she purchased the plane tickets, but she probably charged them to her mother's CCs and got them to reimburse her with cash. If she paid for the trips, don't you think this would have come up when she was arrested for stealing Amy's checks while she was away.

[True2Blues]

I'd guess some was spent on herself, her hair..nails..clothes, some on party expenses like buying drinks. Those clubs are expensive, I wonder how often Casey bought rounds. She also paid for trips to PR didn't she? It adds up to a pretty big sum.

Casey was known as a mooch among her friends. Around the time Caylee disappeared, one of her friends had loaned her $400.00.

I imagine she found a guy to buy her drinks at the bar.

[Shellberry]

I believe that came out last week.
I think a source leaked it to the media?

I can only imagine what else le may have found on her computer...




imo/jmo/etc

[bluwaters]

Right. But Cindy says Casey stole lots of money from her. Isn't this where the 4.5 or 45k figure comes from? Money that was alledged to have been stolen from Cindy?

hammer Maybe I'm getting confused, lol
Sorry, I'm confused too. :)
DH had the nerve to ask me a question about real life in the middle of my last post too. :rolleyes: <-- for DH

My point is not who the money was stolen from, but what did
Casey do with the money?

Who Casey stole the money from is very, very important, but not the point of my post.

If Casey stole $4.5K - she could have spent it frivolously in short order.

If the amount is closer to $45K, that's a good chunk of change. What did she do with it? How did she spend it?

LE has hopefully got the answer, and we will know one day.
Sorry that I wasn't very clear before.

[steffaroob4]

Perhaps their announcement has to do with another Florida case?

I thought they had some damage from the storm, maybe they will be asking for help and donations to help them??:shrug:

[Regina.Lampert]

I don't know. Do we know if TES is holding the PC from Texas or Florida? I'd like to know what TES or LE has that had developed and will surprise us all.

I can't believe I missed Jesse's interview.

It's linked RR, earlier in the thread. It's interesting viewing for sure.

[rosejustrose]

Sorry, I'm confused too. :)
DH had the nerve to ask me a question about real life in the middle of my last post too. :rolleyes: <-- for DH

My point is not who the money was stolen from, but what did
Casey do with the money?

Who Casey stole the money from is very, very important, but not the point of my post.

If Casey stole $4.5K - she could have spent it frivolously in short order.

If the amount is closer to $45K, that's a good chunk of change. What did she do with it? How did she spend it?

LE has hopefully got the answer, and we will know one day.
Sorry that I wasn't very clear before.


I understood you:) If the amount was in the tens of thousands of dollars, I think LE will have an easier time tracking it. Did Casey have a bank account? IMO it was most likely considerably less and she just pizzed it away on fivilous purchases and partying. JMO.

[Boojum Snark]

skip n' scroll

Wud Scooby skip and scroll? What wud Scooby do?

[Rebel Rouzer]

It's linked RR, earlier in the thread. It's interesting viewing for sure.

Thank you I will have to go find it and view it for sure. I feel sorry for him.

[WillowInFlight]

Quoting myself to clarify that I was NOT criticizing what Willow said...but my post looks like I am...just chiming in to agree with her. My post should have been better worded!
I think most DECENT single mothers are too busy between childrren and work to have much of a social life...especially if they attend college full time too. I would have needed to give up sleep to "Par-tay".
JMO...Sorry for how the original sounded Willow!:)
I didn't see anything critical about it. Now when I say that I didn't go out at 22 because I had a 2 year old doesn't mean I became a hermit either. I just wasn't a Casey. Won't find any pictures on the net of me. LOL

[Regina.Lampert]

did some report say the other it would "shock" us?

No, some posters were getting things mixed up. Leonard Padilla made a remark using the word shocking, but the TES rep said that she was in daily communication with the OCSD and that soon they would reveal some new developements that may surprise us.

[Acorn]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

Lovely weather over Hopespring Drive.

Kinda tilted, but ....

Someone put a flag up. :patriot:

[desmom]

And, wouldn't you think there'd be something to show for it, or some talk among/from her friends about how lavish her spending was?

Somebody close to Casey had bad financial problems.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


Yep! Cindy!

Page 258 of the documents

"A: ......Um, she's just apparently like bled her mom dry. Screwed her credit up, everything...."

I think Casey was attempting to impress her friends by picking up tabs for dinner or drinks at the club or buying tickets for events at Universal.

jmo

[Velouria]

Is it LE's PC or TES' PC? TIA

Sorry I misspoke rose...the link did say it was TES who would hold the conference.

[barskin&co.]

I haven't seen any evidence of that, but if you know where it can be found I'm sure we'd all like to see it.

We know that Casey's friends did hold jobs, did go to school, did have their own apartments and supported themselves. We know that the ones closest to her took LDTs. In all this reporting of the case, there has never been anything said about Casey's friends having criminal records. I think it is quite safe to say they were decent, honest people- quite unlike Casey.

[rosejustrose]

since Casey has been charged with stealing Amys money from her checking account, will the bank put that money back in Amys account?

I think the theft will have to be ruled on by the courts and/or the bank will file charges, too. Not sure if FDIC insurance covers this type of stuff. JMO.

[Boojum Snark]

Geraldo said he "heard" it and Jesse said he "heard" it.

So.........:shrug:

That sounds like a rumor to me.

It is a rumor. A rumor that Cindy Anthony started in august. Jesse's father mentioned the same Cindy rumor at the end of august on geraldo.

[Velouria]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

Lovely weather over Hopespring Drive.

Kinda tilted, but ....

Someone put a flag up. :patriot:

Skull and crossbones?

[Boojum Snark]

Does your name mean "LandShark" in german?

My name means what it says. Lewis Carrol invented it. :)

[SavannahStar]

I first heard it on here. But whoever posted it MAY have heard it on WS. Like I say though, I'm rather dubious of info that I cannot verify, or read where it was actually verified.

Frankly I think whether or not she filed BK in April is not important to anything. But.....I'm curious to find out whether it is correct or not. If not, then it's a rumor that can be put to rest.

Have a nice day and see you later. I'm leaving for church myself. :seeya:

That would be me. And it has been on several websites. And maybe it isn't important to Caylee being gone..but IMO it might be another reason why the Anthony's didn't want TIM to search for a dead Caylee. They obviously have a trust fund for a "search" that has not happened in 96 days. IMO ...they should be ashamed.


jmo

Are you saying that because (IF) she filed BK in April (way before this case), she doesn't want TES to search because they have a trust fund they are using to live on?

That's a pretty strong accusation, if that's what you are implying. Has it been "proven" (over on WS I guess?) that money in this fund has been used for living expenses?

BTW, most people who have never filed BK have an erroneous assumption that after BK people are dead broke. Quite the opposite is true. All of their unsecured debts are discharged, therefore they are no longer using any of their income to pay off debts; that money can be used for their everyday living expenses. Most people who file BK have far more disposable income after filing than before filing.

[rosejustrose]

Skull and crossbones?

:lol: That would be appropriate because they are poisonous, IMO.

[msjoni]

It's entirely possible, maybe even likely that they don't want her to be found. HOWEVER, I think the reason behind that is less sinister than it is sad.

How in the world could it be less sinister? :confused:

[WillowInFlight]

No, some posters were getting things mixed up. Leonard Padilla made a remark using the word shocking, but the TES rep said that she was in daily communication with the OCSD and that soon they would reveal some new developements that may surprise us.

Thats how I heard it, in fact didn't Lenny say it would "shock the world"?

[True2Blues]

We know that Casey's friends did hold jobs, did go to school, did have their own apartments and supported themselves. We know that the ones closest to her took LDTs. In all this reporting of the case, there has never been anything said about Casey's friends having criminal records. I think it is quite safe to say they were decent, honest people- quite unlike Casey.

Thak you. That was the impression I had too.

[st777jo]

An American flag. How honorable of them. Won't change my opinion of them, though. jmo, jo

[spiritwolf46]

Skull and crossbones?

LOL! :lol:

For a minute there, it looked like someone stapled it to the tree and then I see what it may be hanging from a pole attatched to the garage.

[bluwaters]

Well, I foolishly promised DH yesterday that today I would get off my azz and help him with a big project. :punch: <-- punches self

I think this board is about to get shut down anyway. :chicken:

I hope to see y'all later. :seeya:

[WillowInFlight]

It is a rumor. A rumor that Cindy Anthony started in august. Jesse's father mentioned the same Cindy rumor at the end of august on geraldo.

Sure did.....

[jessjam]

Hi.. Its a very good question. I notice you haven't gotten a lot of answers. I think the story just sounds better and more sinister when its implied that the Anthony family is lying.

So have you seen or heard at least one lie from the Anthony's? I'm just curious. Excluding Casey of course because if her lips are moving then she is lying.

[Acorn]

My name means what it says. Lewis Carrol invented it. :)

Do you happen to know Slithy Tove?

[Reenbean]

since Casey has been charged with stealing Amys money from her checking account, will the bank put that money back in Amys account?

I don't think so. I think Amy would have to sue the thief Casey to recover the money. Since we all know Casey doesn't have a job I highly doubt Amy will ever see a dime. Who knows? Maybe the Anthony's will pay Amy back from the trust fund.

[GrannyB]

An American flag. How honorable of them. Won't change my opinion of them, though. jmo, jo

It won't change mine either:patriot:

[rosejustrose]

An American flag. How honorable of them. Won't change my opinion of them, though. jmo, jo


And still the dark cloud..........

[Boojum Snark]

Oh, I assumed it was a Lewis Carroll reference. The Hunting of the Snark ?

Yes!! The last three lines of the poem are my sig. :)

[desmom]

No, I do not believe for a moment that she paid foir trips to PR. It has been stated that she purchased the plane tickets, but she probably charged them to her mother's CCs and got them to reimburse her with cash. If she paid for the trips, don't you think this would have come up when she was arrested for stealing Amy's checks while she was away.

I agree. She needed the cash to pay her cell phone bill. Charge the tickets to Mommy, collect cash from friends, pay phone bill. Problem solved....well in Casey's mind the problem was solved.

jmo

[OneUp]

It is a rumor. A rumor that Cindy Anthony started in august. Jesse's father mentioned the same Cindy rumor at the end of august on geraldo.
I don't know if there is a direct quote from Cindy or not saying that Jessie Put Caylee's body in the trunk ( and I assume she means he took it out again for some reason too as Caylee wasn't found there). I know I have heard the rumor floated via several sources...
Rev. Grund mentioned it and I for one am willing to take his word for it. I'll take the word of someone like him over the word of a known liar any day of the week!
I do know that Cindy stated on the news that SOMEBODY else could have had access to Casey's car at the tow lot and put a body into it ( and also removed it later...that part makes NO sense. Why remove the corpse? Especially if the aim was to incriminate Casey?). She also tried Harassing the Towyard man into changing his statement about the smell in the car and when it got there...that's on the record as well.
JMO.

[aubrey04]

Poor Jesse. I recall a lot of us discussing the fact that sooner or later Cindy was going to start the blame game and try to pin her death on someone. It has been discussed on this board time and time again because we all knew that it would happen.

It appears Jesse is the scapegoat. These people will throw anyone under the bus without a shred of guilt or remorse. I feel sorry for Caylee the most.. but I also feel sorry for all the collateral damage - Jesse, Amy and Zenaida Gonzales. It's just SO wrong.

:no:

[spiritwolf46]

Well, I foolishly promised DH yesterday that today I would get off my azz and help him with a big project today. :punch: <-- punches self

I think this board is about to get shut down anyway. :chicken:

I hope to see y'all later.

See ya Blu and have a nice day. Well all, I am going as well. Will check back in in a bit.

Everyone have a terrific Sunday afternoon and keep up the prayers that Caylee will be found soon! :rose:

[Acorn]

Thats how I heard it, in fact didn't Lenny say it would "shock the world"?

If it's going to be about child porn...well...it would not shock me.

[GrannyB]

Hey I see Squeaky Clean is here. I really would like to know your theory on what happened to Caylee. Guess I had to leave yesterday before you could respond. ;)

[VII]

Zanny
Xan-ee
:shrug:

[barskin&co.]

Poor Jesse. I recall a lot of us discussing the fact that sooner or later Cindy was going to start the blame game and try to pin her death on someone. It has been discussed on this board time and time again because we all knew that it would happen.

It appears Jesse is the scapegoat. These people will throw anyone under the bus without a shred of guilt or remorse. I feel sorry for Caylee the most.. but I also feel sorry for all the collateral damage - Jesse, Amy and Zenaida Gonzales. It's just SO wrong.

:no:

Yes, it is wrong! :no:

[Magnum357]

since Casey has been charged with stealing Amys money from her checking account, will the bank put that money back in Amys account?

Any business that cashed the checks will have to put the money back into Amy's account. Those businesses in turn will go after Casey for the money, for all the good it will do them.

[OneUp]

LOL! :lol:

For a minute there, it looked like someone stapled it to the tree and then I see what it may be hanging from a pole attatched to the garage.
I wonder if it's Casey's old dress?

[GrannyB]

I don't know if there is a direct quote from Cindy or not saying that Jessie Put Caylee's body in the trunk ( and I assume she means he took it out again for some reason too as Caylee wasn't found there). I know I have heard the rumor floated via several sources...
Rev. Grund mentioned it and I for one am willing to take his word for it. I'll take the word of someone like him over the word of a known liar any day of the week!
I do know that Cindy stated on the news that SOMEBODY else could have had access to Casey's car at the tow lot and put a body into it ( and also removed it later...that part makes NO sense. Why remove the corpse? Especially if the aim was to incriminate Casey?). She also tried Harassing the Towyard man into changing his statement about the smell in the car and when it got there...that's on the record as well.
JMO.


Wasn't that the reason Jesse's dad posted on WS? There is so darn much to remember with this case.

[keybored]

Beacause of PROJECTION and transference...see my post upthread aways...^^^^...
Some here feel that anyone who challenges their posts or behavior is either a troublemaker or a part of "the masses"...just comes from having an adverse type of personality I suppose...or a desperate need for attention that was lacking somewhere along the way.
Welcome here to IS, and I'd suggest just skipping past posts that seem harassing or argumentative. You'll "live" longer.
JMO.

Very well put!
:beer:

[msgatorslayer]

Sorry, I'm confused too. :)
DH had the nerve to ask me a question about real life in the middle of my last post too. :rolleyes: <-- for DH

My point is not who the money was stolen from, but what did
Casey do with the money?

Who Casey stole the money from is very, very important, but not the point of my post.

If Casey stole $4.5K - she could have spent it frivolously in short order.

If the amount is closer to $45K, that's a good chunk of change. What did she do with it? How did she spend it?

LE has hopefully got the answer, and we will know one day.
Sorry that I wasn't very clear before.

She probably spent it on every day things. Look what she did with Amy's checks. I have a feeling that Cindy had given Casey a CC to make sure Caylee had everything she needed. Amy even said that Casey always used plastic. She never seen her with cash. Casey took advantage of her Mom and Cindy did nothing to stop it.

I doubt the figure is 45k. I really do. I know Cindy is crazy but 45k is to extreme of an amount for me to think that Cindy just stood back and allowed that. I also think Casey would at least have purchased a brand new car. Maybe even a real nanny, lol.

The amount Cindy says Casey 'stole' was probably over the course of the past 2 years when Casey wasn't working. IMO.

Who knows if we'll ever find out the truth though.

[rosejustrose]

I wonder if it's Casey's old dress?

:lol::lol:

OMG. ROFLMAO.

[True2Blues]

I'd call it confusion and shock before I'd call it lying.

imo

Even Casey called it lying.

[desmom]

Caylee Anthony Trust Fund Shut Down
http://www.wesh.com/news/17523471/detail.html

"A trust fund set up to help in the search for Caylee Anthony has been shut down.

Both the law firm that administers the fund and the bank where the money was deposited said they're backing out."

[rosejustrose]

I'd call it confusion and shock before I'd call it lying.

imo


Why? :shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

You know Willow, I didn't go out anymore at 22, I had a two year old myself. My oldest was born in march of 1992 ( My BD is late in 1971)...I mamaged to put my selfish needs and wants aside and focus on school, creating a safe home for my baby, and enjoying time with her...not desperately seeking those "prickly things" (TM another poster...ratched? was it you?) and drinking till my liver turned.
It never seemed like a big sacrifice then, and it certainly doesn't now when I look back.:shrug: Maybe deciding to love and bond with your child is a choice for some, but it never was a choice for me.
JMO.I was a mother of two at 22, but not single. I'm trying to remember what that was like...

My husband and I went out every weekend, but we always made sure our children were safe in the hands of a relative, and tucked in before we left. I can understand wanting to go out at that age, but dragging a child to adult parties is not something I understand.

I also recall not drinking, because I wanted to have a grip when I got home, in case my children needed me. That was my primary concern.

I can't sympathize with Casey, because she didn't even know who Caylee's daddy was, imo. I can't relate to that. jmo

I so admire you for your strength, One Up. imo

[Boojum Snark]

Do you happen to know Slithy Tove?

I like the mimsy borogoves myself. :)

[Magnum357]

I don't think so. I think Amy would have to sue the thief Casey to recover the money. Since we all know Casey doesn't have a job I highly doubt Amy will ever see a dime. Who knows? Maybe the Anthony's will pay Amy back from the trust fund.

The businesses that cashed the checks are responsible for giving the money to the wrong person. Amy doesn't have to do anything other than report to the bank that she did not cash the checks and she gets her money back.

[GrannyB]

Even Casey called it lying.

And I believe Cindy called it 'mistruths'. They are such a creative family.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Caylee Anthony Trust Fund Shut Down
http://www.wesh.com/news/17523471/detail.html

"A trust fund set up to help in the search for Caylee Anthony has been shut down.

Both the law firm that administers the fund and the bank where the money was deposited said they're backing out."

Wow. I think this is the first time I have seen something like this done in a missing child case.

[steffaroob4]

Caylee Anthony Trust Fund Shut Down (http://www.wesh.com/news/17523471/detail.html)
ORLANDO, Fla. -- A trust fund set up to help in the search for Caylee Anthony has been shut down.

Both the law firm that administers the fund and the bank where the money was deposited said they're backing out.

Attorney Paul Kelley of Bichler & Kelley PA said he's saddened that his law firm had to make a decision to stop administering the trust fund connected with HelpFindCaylee.com...

[marshmallow]

See ya Blu and have a nice day. Well all, I am going as well. Will check back in in a bit.

Everyone have a terrific Sunday afternoon and keep up the prayers that Caylee will be found soon! :rose:

I'm off too, I've heard a rumor that my granddaughter liked it here so much yesterday that she's coming back today :)



for Caylee :rose: because she should be our focus

[GrannyB]

Wow. I think this is the first time I have seen something like this done in a missing child case.

I think there are a lot of firsts in the case.

[Boojum Snark]

I was refering to the grandparents, not Casey.

Cindy calls it mis truths or half truths. But what Cindy calls it doesn't mean anything really. It's all LIES.

[Reenbean]

The businesses that cashed the checks are responsible for giving the money to the wrong person. Amy doesn't have to do anything other than report to the bank that she did not cash the checks and she gets her money back.

I stand corrected! Thank you.
At least the girl gets her money back. She would have never gotten a penny from Casey, that's for sure!

[trich]

Thats how I heard it, in fact didn't Lenny say it would "shock the world"?


I am seriously wondering if Padilla might not be right about someone helping Casey. And if that is so it would be to dispose of the body IMO.
If that turns out to be true i think it was the only person she really trusted..Her brother.
But I don't understand why he suspects it because of no cell phone usage on June 27 and 28.
Actually she called Tone on the 27th to come get her when she abandoned the car ...right...?:shrug:

[OneUp]

Wasn't that the reason Jesse's dad posted on WS? There is so darn much to remember with this case.I didn't read anyhting he said on WS...but he posted and interviewed because ( as a father) he was outraged by the things "people" were saying about Jesse. That included these accusations. I have corresponded some with him since then via MySpace, and he strikes me as a lovely man. He is very honest about his own "failures" ( his words) in this, but I find him to be very sincere and of the best intentions. He and his family really loved Caylee. You can see it in his interview and hear it in his written words.
If anyone would like it, I'll post a link to his MS. I found some of his writings not to my personal taste, but he is still admirable in his honesty and faith....he has some interesting things to say about Casey and her family. He says things respectfully and politely as possible though.
IMO.

[GrannyB]

Hopefully that will put a stop to all those nasty rumors that the Anthony's have used that money improperly.

Shutting it down kinda verifies those rumors don't you think?

[rj1212]

Even Casey called it lying.


:beer: Thank you...

[True2Blues]

I was refering to the grandparents, not Casey.

The entire family are liars that's for certain. They've all been called on it and all keep doing it.

[dreamer]

I wonder if it's Casey's old dress?



:eek: ewwwww

[Acorn]

Caylee Anthony Trust Fund Shut Down
http://www.wesh.com/news/17523471/detail.html

"A trust fund set up to help in the search for Caylee Anthony has been shut down.

Both the law firm that administers the fund and the bank where the money was deposited said they're backing out."

I was smelling a state investigation coming. I just don't see a bank letting go of that because of nastygrams from some people who have no legal power or control.

[True2Blues]

And I believe Cindy called it 'mistruths'. They are such a creative family.


Aren't they though?

[rosejustrose]

I am seriously wondering if Padilla might not be right about someone helping Casey. And if that is so it would be to dispose of the body IMO.
If that turns out to be true i think it was the only person she really trusted..Her brother.
But I don't understand why he suspects it because of no cell phone usage on June 27 and 28.
Actually she called Tone on the 27th to come get her when she abandoned the car ...right...?:shrug:


That confuses me. I thought she abandoned the car on 26 Jun and call TonE on Jun 27 to get her, according to LP. Where was she the night of Jun 26? JMO.

[pooh579]

And still the dark cloud..........


I am glad i am not the only one that noticed that dark cloud over their house(there has been one over their house for a week), I was starting to think i was seeing things because this case is making me crazy!!!!

[need2no]

I wonder if it's Casey's old dress?

:D

In all fairness to the Anthonys (ouch, that hurt), I recall the American flag was on the side of the garage when this case first became public and media was at the house. Recently in one of the videos of George speaking from the garage I noticed the flag rolled up and leaning against the garage wall. Why they took it down at some point...and why they now put it back up....who knows.

[rosejustrose]

I didn't read anyhting he said on WS...but he posted and interviewed because ( as a father) he was outraged by the things "people" were saying about Jesse. That included these accusations. I have corresponded some with him since then via MySpace, and he strikes me as a lovely man. He is very honest about his own "failures" ( his words) in this, but I find him to be very sincere and of the best intentions. He and his family really loved Caylee. You can see it in his interview and hear it in his written words.
If anyone would like it, I'll post a link to his MS. I found some of his writings not to my personal taste, but he is still admirable in his honesty and faith....he has some interesting things to say about Casey and her family. He says things respectfully and politely as possible though.
IMO.

Thanks, OneUp. I be interested in reading his words. Thanks.

[SavannahStar]

It's entirely possible, maybe even likely that they don't want her to be found. HOWEVER, I think the reason behind that is less sinister than it is sad.

ITA, IdolHands. I think you got it.

[True2Blues]

I was smelling a state investigation coming. I just don't see a bank letting go of that because of nastygrams from some people who have no legal power or control.

If there is a lot of competition for business in their area, they might be really sensitive to anything that could turn people away or reflect negatively on their reputation.:shrug:

[rosejustrose]

Shutting it down kinda verifies those rumors don't you think?


Certainly calls into question what was really going on with it, IMO.

[lonetraveler]

CinA still living in her desperate dream world.

About the polygraphs...doesn't it seem that Lee put the nix on that? Maybe they would have taken one (CinA and Ga) if Lee hadn't advised against it. Does Lee know something, or have something to hide?

Greta had phone records? I haven't seen Greta do anything on legal issues (except a little thing on OJ, I think), since Palin became her new thing. I'm disappointed in Greta. She's great at whatever she does, but now she's just repeating whatever Hannity and Colmes and everybody else does, except for her interview with the "First Dude" in Alaska. I so wish she'd stick with the legal stuff we're so interested in. I watch NG, but always look to Greta and her panel to really flesh out things a little deeper.

----------------------------
Have the phone records been published anywhere? I would like to see if Casey spoke with Lee on the day that Casey died or disappeared. I would bet that he knows all!

[trich]

I don't think so. I think Amy would have to sue the thief Casey to recover the money. Since we all know Casey doesn't have a job I highly doubt Amy will ever see a dime. Who knows? Maybe the Anthony's will pay Amy back from the trust fund.



I think that the bank will have to return the money to Amy.
And then file charges against Casey which I believe is one of the charges.
I know if someone fraudiantly uses a persons debit card my bank reemburses as long as you report the card as stolen etc
I actually don't understand why the stores she cashed those checks at took a second party personal check.

[GrannyB]

Not if you read the article. It says every penny of the money was used properly and can be accounted for. It says the nasty emails is what prompted them to shut it down.

And I do not for one minute believe nasty emails had anything to do with it.

[Boojum Snark]

Shutting it down kinda verifies those rumors don't you think?

That is soooo true!!!

[True2Blues]

:D

In all fairness to the Anthonys (ouch, that hurt), I recall the American flag was on the side of the garage when this case first became public and media was at the house. Recently in one of the videos of George speaking from the garage I noticed the flag rolled up and leaning against the garage wall. Why they took it down at some point...and why they now put it back up....who knows.

I'm surprised they aren't flying one that says 'Anthony Land' on it. They certainly think they're a law unto themselves.

[rosejustrose]

Having seen the Anthonys in action over the past couple months, I don't categorize that as 'sad.'

It is part of being an adult that you tell the truth and take responsibility for your actions.

The fact that the Anthonys choose to live in a world of their own making rather than in the real world is not sad, it is unconscionable. In addition to baby Caylee, they are taking a lot of other innocents down with them. Their worldview and behavior is much closer to sinister than it is sad. imo

This nightmare they find themselves in wasn't created in a day. There have been many, many days in the Anthonys lives when they could have chosen to get real and deal with the significant problems in their personalities and in their family.

They chose -- yes, chose -- to keep faking it. It was a choice.


ITA. I think for the last 22 years they took the path of least resistance and now they find themselves up against a brick wall with no ladder to get over it. It's truth time and they don't know how to deal with that. JMO

[SavannahStar]

She probably spent it on every day things. Look what she did with Amy's checks. I have a feeling that Cindy had given Casey a CC to make sure Caylee had everything she needed. Amy even said that Casey always used plastic. She never seen her with cash. Casey took advantage of her Mom and Cindy did nothing to stop it.

I doubt the figure is 45k. I really do. I know Cindy is crazy but 45k is to extreme of an amount for me to think that Cindy just stood back and allowed that. I also think Casey would at least have purchased a brand new car. Maybe even a real nanny, lol.

The amount Cindy says Casey 'stole' was probably over the course of the past 2 years when Casey wasn't working. IMO.

Who knows if we'll ever find out the truth though.

ITA with all of that.

[Boojum Snark]

I think I was asked if I thought the grandparents were lying.

So what? If you don't like my replies stick with skip and scroll. Or wud Scooby do that?

[tiny paw-prints]

It appears anyone associated with Casey had financial problems. Just ask Amy.


I wonder where the root of the financial problems stem from?

It's been my understanding that George has/had a gambling problem as well as an alcohol problem. That mixture can create many problems.

I thought it was interesting that Jesse Grund said Casey and he became engaged on Dec 31 05.

George filed for divorce on Dec 29 05.

[Margo555]

Caylee Anthony Trust Fund Shut Down
http://www.wesh.com/news/17523471/detail.html

"A trust fund set up to help in the search for Caylee Anthony has been shut down.

Both the law firm that administers the fund and the bank where the money was deposited said they're backing out."


So after saying she was dead and Jesse put her in Casey's trunk, now Cindy wants us to light a candle and pray for Caylee's safe return? Okaaaaay...... MOO

[desmom]

I was smelling a state investigation coming. I just don't see a bank letting go of that because of nastygrams from some people who have no legal power or control.

I agree. IIRC, SunTrust also handled Trenton's fund. There was a lot of speculation by crime boards and Melinda's parents about the use of the funds and SunTrust did not close Trenton's fund.

jmo

[Pebbles]

Good morning everyone!

Well, according to Geraldo last night it appears that cynthia has taken time out from her incessant chant that Caylee is alive, long enough to accuse Jesse Grund of murding her and putting her little body into the trunk of casey's car in order to frame her. Anyone need more proof why people are so disgusted with this family?

Once again, I am so glad that Jesse, Amy and Anthony Lazarro have all taken polygraphs. Why haven't ANY of the anthonys?????

Greta had the phone records and it is interesting to me that there is no information about calls from June 17.


I am just getting on, so forgive me if this has been discussed. This morning I had on WeshTV here in Orlando and they were interviewing the attorney that managed the trust fund. He mentioned that he thought two of the searchers that were involved helping Tim Miller were responsible for sending hate e-mail to SunTrust. Has anyone proven this or was it just the attorney talking?

I have been looking for the video online but cannot find it. Did anyone else see or hear the attorney.


This is becoming a web of lies and nothing about little Caylee. No wonder we are so angry. I can understand a parent loving their child and wanting to defend them, but not to the extent that it involves lying and covering up for them when a sweet, little angel deserves justice. She is the one that is innocent in all of this and yet the Anthony family uses her for purposes of defending their daughter, the mother of their granddaughter and the one that is responsible for Caylee no longer being in their lives.

I can't believe that a 22 year old mother whose daughter is missing cannot be held responsible for that child not being found.

I still have a fear that Casey is never going to be charged, and Caylee will never have justice. How can people still defend the mother of Caylee, why aren't they demanding answers from her?


Caylee how much longer are you going to have to wait???:rose:

[True2Blues]

Having seen the Anthonys in action over the past couple months, I don't categorize that as 'sad.'

It is part of being an adult that you tell the truth and take responsibility for your actions.

The fact that the Anthonys choose to live in a world of their own making rather than in the real world is not sad, it is unconscionable. In addition to baby Caylee, they are taking a lot of other innocents down with them. Their worldview and behavior is much closer to sinister than it is sad. imo

This nightmare they find themselves in wasn't created in a day. There have been many, many days in the Anthonys lives when they could have chosen to get real and deal with the significant problems in their personalities and in their family.

They chose -- yes, chose -- to keep faking it. It was a choice.

Well Said!

[SavannahStar]

Caylee Anthony Trust Fund Shut Down (http://www.wesh.com/news/17523471/detail.html)
ORLANDO, Fla. -- A trust fund set up to help in the search for Caylee Anthony has been shut down.

Both the law firm that administers the fund and the bank where the money was deposited said they're backing out.

Attorney Paul Kelley of Bichler & Kelley PA said he's saddened that his law firm had to make a decision to stop administering the trust fund connected with HelpFindCaylee.com...

No reason though? Seems like I read someplace earlier it was (paraphrased) pressure from bloggers, etc.

Has any wrongdoing with the funds been shown?

[Margo555]

So you think the law firm and the bank people are lying too?

No, I think they got the emails, but after that they looked into it and saw some big problems. jmho

[GrannyB]

Did ya happen to read the article?


Until LE says it's true it's nothing more but a news article.;)

[SavannahStar]

I didn't read anyhting he said on WS...but he posted and interviewed because ( as a father) he was outraged by the things "people" were saying about Jesse. That included these accusations. I have corresponded some with him since then via MySpace, and he strikes me as a lovely man. He is very honest about his own "failures" ( his words) in this, but I find him to be very sincere and of the best intentions. He and his family really loved Caylee. You can see it in his interview and hear it in his written words.
If anyone would like it, I'll post a link to his MS. I found some of his writings not to my personal taste, but he is still admirable in his honesty and faith....he has some interesting things to say about Casey and her family. He says things respectfully and politely as possible though.
IMO.

Of all the people involved in this case, even peripherally, Richard and Jesse Grund stand head and shoulders above them all. :rose:

[GrannyB]

So you think the law firm and the bank people are lying too?

I think they've listened to Cindy and figured they better get out while they can. Course she will be after them now.

[AlohaRainbow]

And if I remember Jesse's statement correctly, he mentioned that Casey wasn't a go out kind of girl.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom
interesting... but, iirc, didn't george insist that some of the clubbin' photos were taken while casey was pregnant? (versus being taken after caylee went missing)

maybe she wasn't a go out kind of girl while she was engaged to jesse. it seems she did actually work during that timeframe, i believe.

[need2no]

I wonder where the root of the financial problems stem from?

It's been my understanding that George has/had a gambling problem as well as an alcohol problem. That mixture can create many problems.

I thought it was interesting that Jesse Grund said Casey and he became engaged on Dec 31 05.

George filed for divorce on Dec 29 05.


I also found that interesting. And I was shocked Jesse said Casey called off the engagement...I would have assumed he called it off.

[SavannahStar]

Shutting it down kinda verifies those rumors don't you think?


No. ........

[rosejustrose]

I think that the bank will have to return the money to Amy.
And then file charges against Casey which I believe is one of the charges.
I know if someone fraudiantly uses a persons debit card my bank reemburses as long as you report the card as stolen etc
I actually don't understand why the stores she cashed those checks at took a second party personal check.

I think those are the charges of misusing personal ID. I think she passed herself off as Amy in a couple of instances. Could be wrong though.

[SavannahStar]

Not if you read the article. It says every penny of the money was used properly and can be accounted for. It says the nasty emails is what prompted them to shut it down.

Thank you. I knew I saw that!

[panokatana]

I agree. She needed the cash to pay her cell phone bill. Charge the tickets to Mommy, collect cash from friends, pay phone bill. Problem solved....well in Casey's mind the problem was solved.

jmo

If she had bought the tickets to PR, wonder why she didn't just go? Once she had the airfare, she could just mooch hotel, food...
THEN say...she (Caylee) was kidnapped while in PR, maybe along the lines of the NH case.

JMO

[rosejustrose]

Did ya happen to read the article?

skip and scroll

[rosejustrose]

When and what store did she buy the groceries from?

I don't recall. Maybe PigglyWiggly?

[tiny paw-prints]

No, some posters were getting things mixed up. Leonard Padilla made a remark using the word shocking, but the TES rep said that she was in daily communication with the OCSD and that soon they would reveal some new developements that may surprise us.

That is absolutely correct, Scampi. :seeya:

Although LP may not be very well received by some people, he did make that comment. On the other hand, TES is very well received by most people while following this case. I suppose somewhere between shock and surprise might be more accurately received by the majority of people.

As always, it's good to see you and read you!

[rosejustrose]

So you think the law firm and the bank people are lying too?


Nah, just mistruths.

[GrannyB]

Says whats true? If you want to believe the nasty rumors started by board posters, rather than a reputable news source, please be my guest.
:no:


Yep bankers and lawyers turn down money everyday cause bloggers don't want them to have it. NOT

[rosejustrose]

I wonder where the root of the financial problems stem from?

It's been my understanding that George has/had a gambling problem as well as an alcohol problem. That mixture can create many problems.

I thought it was interesting that Jesse Grund said Casey and he became engaged on Dec 31 05.

George filed for divorce on Dec 29 05.


Timings a little strange, IMO. But, I once got engaged on New Year's Eve, too. It's supposed to be romantic or something:rolleyes:barf

[need2no]

I don't recall. Maybe PigglyWiggly?

I've heard Winn Dixie mentioned by the reporter on NG.

[Pebbles]

George and Cindy are hardly alone with financial problems. Haven't you read the news lately?


Yes but many people do not have the "funds" to pay for bodyguards, security cameras, and high priced attorneys.

[impartial]

Yep bankers and lawyers turn down money everyday cause bloggers don't want them to have it. NOT


In today's economy, with banks closing and financial institutions in major difficulty, I would imagine that any and all financial institutions do not want negative publicity.

An attorney administered the fund ... the attorney has the fiduciary obligation to ensure it is administered properly.

IMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

Yep bankers and lawyers turn down money everyday cause bloggers don't want them to have it. NOT


I thought the article said they believed the nasty emails came from 2 people who were volunteer searches with TES? I didn't see bloggers in that one article. :shrug:

[need2no]

It's possible he took issue with some of her behavior and/or some of what came out of her lying mouth. I think Casey ultimately 'broke up' with anyone who tried to hold her accountable.

Makes sense...and coupled with Richard Grund being a preacher and seemingly a hands on involved father.

[Pruddennce]

That confuses me. I thought she abandoned the car on 26 Jun and call TonE on Jun 27 to get her, according to LP. Where was she the night of Jun 26? JMO.

the 'all white party at fusion' occurred on that weekend.

not sure if it was a friday or saturday nite, but she abandoned the car on friday the 27th and it was towed on monday the 30th.

that weekend was the party weekend. she posted to several people on the web about the party and asked them to come to it.

there was also a web posting to her brother on 6/23, referencing chicago and asking him 'is it really that windy'.



best regards,
Pru

[rosejustrose]

Yes but many people do not have the "funds" to pay for bodyguards, security cameras, and high priced attorneys.


....or have a misplaced granddaughter:mad:

[Acorn]

Sounds more like the bathroom sounds my husband makes in the mornings. Sorry. :biggrin:

I don't know what to say...lol

[GrannyB]

Yes but many people do not have the "funds" to pay for bodyguards, security cameras, and high priced attorneys.



Most people would be too busy looking for their missing grandchild and won't have a need for bodyguards, security cameras and high priced attonerys. Unfortunately for Caylee the Anthony's aren't most people.:(

[OneUp]

Wow. I think this is the first time I have seen something like this done in a missing child case.It really says something, IMO when botha federal bank and a respected law office back out of being involved in a TRUST.
I'm of the opinion that they did their own checking on the funds and found some questionabler things they didn't want to be involved in...
I also have to be fair and add that the attorney said they were tired of people calling in protest, but I wouldn't think that would be a big deal for a law firm to handle.
Always, JMO.

[rosejustrose]

Most people also don't have the hourds of vigilante lawbreakers on their front lawn every day and night either.


I don't see "hourds" of vigilante lawbreakers out there now and it is daytime, IMO.:shrug:

[GrannyB]

You're right, the Anthony's arent most people, they are Caylee's grandparents. The ONLY people who ever loved and cared for that little girl.


I don't believe that to be true. Jesse's family loved Caylee more than her own family did. The Anthony's should be ashamed to show their faces in public. They are a disgrace.

[dixielover]

You're right, the Anthony's arent most people, they are Caylee's grandparents. The ONLY people who ever loved and cared for that little girl.

that girl=her name is Caylee

[Rebel Rouzer]

It really says something, IMO when botha federal bank and a respected law office back out of being involved in a TRUST.
I'm of the opinion that they did their own checking on the funds and found some questionabler things they didn't want to be involved in...
I also have to be fair and add that the attorney said they were tired of people calling in protest, but I wouldn't think that would be a big deal for a law firm to handle.
Always, JMO.


I wouldn't think that would be enough reason to shut it down either but wo knows. Some really strange things happening in this case that i have never seen before in other cases.

Good to see you Oneup

[rosejustrose]

You're right, the Anthony's arent most people, they are Caylee's grandparents. The ONLY people who ever loved and cared for that little girl.

ITA. It's pretty obvious Casey never did. IMO.

[trich]

It's possible he took issue with some of her behavior and/or some of what came out of her lying mouth. I think Casey ultimately 'broke up' with anyone who tried to hold her accountable.



I actually think Jesse was trying so hard to be nice and not ugly about Casey. on Geraldo..after all he was going to marry her and it sort of makes him question his own sense of ..Okay what is the word I am looking for?
I also think he is in denial about Casey and what she is truely capable of.

[OneUp]

I was smelling a state investigation coming. I just don't see a bank letting go of that because of nastygrams from some people who have no legal power or control.Good, I know I wrote a lovely letter about what the word "trust" implies to the public. It's good to know that Florida takes the bilking of kind donors through the misdirection of funds seriously.
I hope Lee has his affairs in order.
JMO.:cool:

[SavannahStar]

In today's economy, with banks closing and financial institutions in major difficulty, I would imagine that any and all financial institutions do not want negative publicity.

An attorney administered the fund ... the attorney has the fiduciary obligation to ensure it is administered properly.

IMO


I would suspect that is true, thank you, impartial. Good to see you, as always. (I always look for my "impartial voice of reason" :)) :seeya:

[marshmallow]

You're right, the Anthony's arent most people, they are Caylee's grandparents. The ONLY people who ever loved and cared for that little girl.



that's not true. many people who knew that child, loved her. several like Jesse's father, Christina, TonE's roommates, Greatgrandparents, and other friends have spoken of her, told wonderful sweet stories about her, and/or cried for her. To say the Grandparents were the only people to love her is incorrect.

[rosejustrose]

I forgot to mention .. or a webcam with a bunch of bored lookie-loos looking to start more rumors about them.


:no: That wasn't necessary, IMO.

[GrannyB]

I forgot to mention .. or a webcam with a bunch of bored lookie-loos looking to start more rumors about them.


LOL no one has to start rumors about the Anthony's. Every time they open their mouths or their garage doors they give us plenty to talk about.

[OneUp]

Thanks, OneUp. I be interested in reading his words. Thanks.This links directly to one of his writings, you can access his MySpace main page from there.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=428758943

[AlohaRainbow]

But...George claimed those pics were of Casey when she was pregnant.
and either george or cindy (i forget which one it was) also said that the reason casey went to out to clubs was not to drink but to check on her friends to make sure they were having a good time, and they called her "mom". no wonder they called her "mom" if she was pregnant while out clubbin'
:)

[Rebel Rouzer]

I don't believe that to be true. Jesse's family loved Caylee more than her own family did. The Anthony's should be ashamed to show their faces in public. They are a disgrace.


I would like to add to your thoughts by saying IF the Anthony's cared for and loved Caylee then are they going out of their way to protect Casey and leeting little Caylee decompose out there somewhere like trash?

[Margo555]

Good, I know I wrote a lovely letter about what the word "trust" implies to the public. It's good to know that Florida takes the bilking of kind donors through the misdirection of funds seriously.
I hope Lee has his affairs in order.
JMO.:cool:

From what I have read and seen, Lee has directed some people to put the donations into his personal Paypal acct. and said he would then deposit it himself. Suntrust didn't allow for use of Paypals. So that might be why he is so "absent" lately. MOO :shrug:

[Pruddennce]

I also found that interesting. And I was shocked Jesse said Casey called off the engagement...I would have assumed he called it off.

IMO, cindy put the kibosh on marriage. why do I think that? because it would mean no control over Casey and more importantly, control over raising caylee; secondly, she didnt trust her daughter.

I do recall her testimony at the bond hearing saying in addition to Lauren, the Grund family babysat infant Caylee AND she thought Jesse was the father.

IMO, Cindy doesnt seem like someone you could warm up to in between her incessive ramblings and controlling behaviour.

its also obvious that there doesnt appear to be any adult contemporaries in the anthony grouping.

there was never a flock of supportors swooping down on their home when this happened.

best regards,
Pru

[rosejustrose]

his own sense of reality?

Or maybe the choice he made. He did see completely sincere in expressing his former love for Casey and Caylee. MOO

[SavannahStar]

that's not true. many people who knew that child, loved her. several like Jesse's father, Christina, TonE's roommates, Greatgrandparents, and other friends have spoken of her, told wonderful sweet stories about her, and/or cried for her. To say the Grandparents were the only people to love her is incorrect.

I will agree with that. I think she was loved by many people. And that includes Casey. I'm probably one of the only ones who believes that. Oh well, I don't mind being in the minority.

I think that there are many cases in criminal justice where a person has killed a person they loved. (Unfortunately.)

The human psyche is incredibly convoluted.

[rosejustrose]

This links directly to one of his writings, you can access his MySpace main page from there.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=428758943


Thank you, ma'am.

[GrannyB]

I would like to add to your thoughts by saying IF the Anthony's cared for and loved Caylee then are they going out of their way to protect Casey and leeting little Caylee decompose out there somewhere like trash?


I am glad you added that. It is so true.

[jessjam]

Didn't you go out at age 22? I know I did.

I did but I also new where my daughter was! Geeze!

[Pebbles]

Most people also don't have the hourds of vigilante lawbreakers on their front lawn every day and night either.

If one of my grandchildren was missing and my daughter was the last person to see her, my daughter would still be sitting in jail until that little child was found. If my daughter was innocent, after my grandchild was found, I would then begin worrying about taking care of her.

I am a 71 year old grandmother who has raised seven children to take responsibility for their actions. When they were not perfect, my husband and I made them be accountable for their actions.

And if those protesters are "vigilate lawbreakers", what does that make Casey. If she is innocent until proven guilty, so are the protesters. It works both ways. So ranting and raving, fighting and screaming is a crime, but not reporting your daughter missing or helping find her, is a "get out of jail free" card. By the way, I do not agree with the protesters actions, but I don't agree with Casey's actions either.

Casey sits in her own little world, Caylee has been missing for over three months. If Cindy and George are having financial problems, where is the money coming from to pay for all of these security measures and the high priced attorney. Seems like I would want to spend my money on finding my grandchild.

[impartial]

I would suspect that is true, thank you, impartial. Good to see you, as always. (I always look for my "impartial voice of reason" :)) :seeya:


Hi SS :seeya:


I went off my "impartial" status as to Cindy last night. Jesse's interview brought clarity for me as to a culmination of other things I questioned.

As to the evidence, it's still a wait and see. As Kimberly said on Geraldo last night, LE does not feel it has enough to charge her with the evidence they have thus far, and nothing new has developed ... I was surprised she made that statement.

IMO

[GrannyB]

I will agree with that. I think she was loved by many people. And that includes Casey. I'm probably one of the only ones who believes that. Oh well, I don't mind being in the minority.

I think that there are many cases in criminal justice where a person has killed a person they loved. (Unfortunately.)

The human psyche is incredibly convoluted.


I think Casey loved Caylee as much as she was able. I'm not sure growing up in that family Casey even knew what real love was. No one has convinced me Casey was the one who harmed Caylee. I don't know which of the three did it.

[tiny paw-prints]

I also found that interesting. And I was shocked Jesse said Casey called off the engagement...I would have assumed he called it off.

IIRC, Casey was pressing Jesse to get an apartment while they were engaged (Dec 05 thru May 06). The paternity test result might have been done during that time period. It's possible that Casey backed out of the entire relationship when she realized she could not longer manipulate the relationship to her immediate benefit.

It's also possible that Cindy may have had something to do with Casey's decision to end the relationship, or influenced it somehow.

[AlohaRainbow]

You're right, the Anthony's arent most people, they are Caylee's grandparents. The ONLY people who ever loved and cared for that little girl.

does that man you're discounting jesse grund and his dad as having loved and cared for caylee?
:shrug:

[GrannyB]

IIRC, Casey was pressing Jesse to get an apartment while they were engaged (Dec 05 thru May 06). The paternity test result might have been done during that time period. It's possible that Casey backed out of the entire relationship when she realized she could not longer manipulate the relationship to her immediate benefit.

It's also possible that Cindy may have had something to do with Casey's decision to end the relationship, or influenced it somehow.

I don't believe Cindy wanted to lose control of Casey. People like Cindy don't want outsiders in the family. Too many secrets may come out.

[Boxer]

What about the ones inside the house?

Any news on the current status of weight loss by Cindy? All of Caylee is lost. Where's Caylee.

[need2no]

I actually think Jesse was trying so hard to be nice and not ugly about Casey. on Geraldo..after all he was going to marry her and it sort of makes him question his own sense of ..Okay what is the word I am looking for?
I also think he is in denial about Casey and what she is truely capable of.


Jesse's father described their 'relationship' as a "short, one date thing."
So Jesse really did not have much time to get to know the real Casey, IMO. They were only together about 6 months, and being so young hormones often take over good common sense...combined with the fairy tale dream of having a baby and being one big happy family, (as well as rescuing Casey from her parents), ...without the maturity or experience to know how difficult all this would be to take on at his age.

If Casey was desparately looking for a way out I feel certain she was both kind and attentive to Jesse during most of their time together. I don't doubt she could charm his pants off. :)

[Pebbles]

What about the ones inside the house?

:beer: Perfect!

[GrannyB]

Congratulations for having seven perfect children. Not everyone is as lucky as you are.

You know Scooby I like talking to you. But that was just plain uncalled for and it's not what she said. Shame on you.

[rosejustrose]

I thought it was. IMO

I know.:rolleyes:

[Pebbles]

Congratulations for having seven perfect children. Not everyone is as lucky as you are.


Read my post again, I said when they were NOT perfect!!! hammer

[OneUp]

I agree. IIRC, SunTrust also handled Trenton's fund. There was a lot of speculation by crime boards and Melinda's parents about the use of the funds and SunTrust did not close Trenton's fund.

jmoI seem to remember the same thing desmom. Can you imagine what it would be like if every time an account or fund was questioned a bank shut the account down? It would be hard to stay in business that way! I'm not even sure they can "Make " someone close their accounts...if so, there would have to be a better reason than being bothered...one would think anyway.
I think the trust itself maay not have issues, at least not since the lawyer became involved...but I do think there are BIG issues with the other funds being received and solicited ( on the webstie for one). In our community a few years ago, we had a mother whose sick child recovered from canccer, However god ol Mom kept taking donations for her child...:rolleyes:...she was ordered to make restitution, but for now i doubt she is as it's pretty hard to do so from jail.
I was involved once ina trust for donations in a victims name. I pulled out when the family began to raise Cain. AFAIK, nothing was ever done with those fund to pay expenses ( that I know for a fact as I am the one who paid all burial expenses, etc.) OR to create a memorial. I imagine no one bothered to fight and it was closed and pocketed.
I think investigations are coming at both the State and eventually Federal level.
JMO.

[curiousD]

ITA. I think for the last 22 years they took the path of least resistance and now they find themselves up against a brick wall with no ladder to get over it. It's truth time and they don't know how to deal with that. JMO

I couldnt agree more!

[GrannyB]

No, I'm discounting all the people who have never met her, yet claim to have loved her more than her grandparents.


Caylee has been missing 97 days. In those 97 days what have those loving gps done to show their love for her?

[trich]

his own sense of reality?


REALITY!!!

There you go!
Thanks!

[impartial]

Jesse's father described their 'relationship' as a "short, one date thing."
So Jesse really did not have much time to get to know the real Casey, IMO. They were only together about 6 months, and being so young hormones often take over good common sense...combined with the fairy tale dream of having a baby and being one big happy family, (as well as rescuing Casey from her parents), ...without the maturity or experience to know how difficult all this would be to take on at his age.

If Casey was desparately looking for a way out I feel certain she was both kind and attentive to Jesse during most of their time together. I don't doubt she could charm his pants off. :)

I'm confused about the timeline. If Jesse thought he was the father, then obviously they had a relationship for longer than 6 months. They were officially engaged for 6 months. Caylee was born in August, and they got engaged in December. They spoke about adopting while she was pregnant. He said she was his first love, and spoke about how much he loved her. Doesn't sound like a one night stand type of thing to me.

He indicated that Casey told him Caylee's father was a one night stand ... I wonder if Jesse's father was speaking of Caylee's father as well when he made that statement.

:shrug:

IMO

[Boxer]

No, I'm discounting all the people who have never met her, yet claim to have loved her more than her grandparents.

Why? How hard is it to love a child, any child, more than people who are ready, willing and able to leave her "missing" and turn their attentions to making sure Casey stays out of jail?

[rosejustrose]

Caylee has been missing 97 days. In those 97 days what have those loving gps done to show their love for her?

Lied and covered for her murderer of a mother:shrug:

[SavannahStar]

Congratulations for having seven perfect children. Not everyone is as lucky as you are.


Some of the best people in the world raise rotten kids and some of the most rotten parents end up having adult children than any of us could be proud of.

My own mother used to tell me something so long ago..."the mother is ALWAYS blamed." Sad but true.

[OneUp]

Of all the people involved in this case, even peripherally, Richard and Jesse Grund stand head and shoulders above them all. :rose:With that I totally agree! I think they felt blessed by having Caylee in their lives, and I think Caylee was blessed to have them in hers!
JMO.

[GrannyB]

I was being sincere. Shame on you for thinking I wasn't.
:no:


Who said anything about sincere? You're starting to twist words like the Anthony's. If Cindy is reading this you're gonna make her mad. ;)

[rosejustrose]

I'm confused about the timeline. If Jesse thought he was the father, then obviously they had a relationship for longer than 6 months. They were officially engaged for 6 months. Caylee was born in August, and they got engaged in December. They spoke about adopting while she was pregnant. He said she was his first love, and spoke about how much he loved her. Doesn't sound like a one night stand type of thing to me.

He indicated that Casey told him Caylee's father was a one night stand ... I wonder if Jesse's father was speaking of Caylee's father as well when he made that statement.

:shrug:

IMO


I'm with you. That's how I interpreted the situation also. JMO.

[SavannahStar]

No, I'm discounting all the people who have never met her, yet claim to have loved her more than her grandparents.

Ah I see. Well that I can agree with.

[desmom]

If one of my grandchildren was missing and my daughter was the last person to see her, my daughter would still be sitting in jail until that little child was found. If my daughter was innocent, after my grandchild was found, I would then begin worrying about taking care of her.

I am a 71 year old grandmother who has raised seven children to take responsibility for their actions. When they were not perfect, my husband and I made them be accountable for their actions.

And if those protesters are "vigilate lawbreakers", what does that make Casey. If she is innocent until proven guilty, so are the protesters. It works both ways. So ranting and raving, fighting and screaming is a crime, but not reporting your daughter missing or helping find her, is a "get out of jail free" card. By the way, I do not agree with the protesters actions, but I don't agree with Casey's actions either.

Casey sits in her own little world, Caylee has been missing for over three months. If Cindy and George are having financial problems, where is the money coming from to pay for all of these security measures and the high priced attorney. Seems like I would want to spend my money on finding my grandchild.

:patriot:

.

[rosejustrose]

Who said anything about sincere? You're starting to twist words like the Anthony's. If Cindy is reading this you're gonna make her mad. ;)

or proud:D

[AlohaRainbow]

No, I'm discounting all the people who have never met her, yet claim to have loved her more than her grandparents.
well, if that's what you meant, i'm puzzled as to why you posted that the grandparents were the "ONLY" ones who loved and cared for caylee.

:shrug:

[rosejustrose]

I just have a hard time arguing with someone named Granny. So.. I hope your day is a pleasant one.


This is just too easy even I'm gonna let it go:biggrin:

[OneUp]

the 'all white party at fusion' occurred on that weekend.

not sure if it was a friday or saturday nite, but she abandoned the car on friday the 27th and it was towed on monday the 30th.

that weekend was the party weekend. she posted to several people on the web about the party and asked them to come to it.

there was also a web posting to her brother on 6/23, referencing chicago and asking him 'is it really that windy'.



best regards,
PruPru, I do not know if you might still have access to Casey's original MS page and postings, or if you might recall. But did Casey post anything on or about the day of June 26th?
Thanks either way...
If you haven't the info. perhaps somene else here does?

[summer4meplz]

I'm confused about the timeline. If Jesse thought he was the father, then obviously they had a relationship for longer than 6 months. They were officially engaged for 6 months. Caylee was born in August, and they got engaged in December. They spoke about adopting while she was pregnant. He said she was his first love, and spoke about how much he loved her. Doesn't sound like a one night stand type of thing to me.

He indicated that Casey told him Caylee's father was a one night stand ... I wonder if Jesse's father was speaking of Caylee's father as well when he made that statement.

:shrug:

IMO

It could be that jessie was a onenightstand for casey....jessie was obviously very taken with casey....then when she calls months later and says she's pregnant...that's when they begin the real (to Jessie anyway) relationship..I think he was more than happy to be the father, to Caylee, because he really did love casey....imo

[GrannyB]

I just have a hard time arguing with someone named Granny. So.. I hope your day is a pleasant one.

I didn't think we were arguing. I think you come here to make us talk about the Anthony's. I believe they are reading here and wish you wouldn't get us talking about them. It's why I enjoy your post. I want them to know how we feel and what we think of them. Don't want them to think they have fooled us with their bs.;)

[Rebel Rouzer]

Why? How hard is it to love a child, any child, more than people who are ready, willing and able to leave her "missing" and turn their attentions to making sure Casey stays out of jail?

If the Anthony's ever loved Caylee they are not showing it now. Maybe they are the type that when things/people are out of sight they are out of mind as well?

[aubrey04]

Caylee has been missing 97 days. In those 97 days what have those loving gps done to show their love for her?

NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. But complete strangers have donated MONEY and their time. People have traveled from out of state to help search for her body, including members of this message board.

While the Anthony's do NOTHING besides lie, play games and point the finger at innocent people... and possibly/allegedly make profit from selling video and pictures of Caylee.. and the trust fund in Caylee's name/paypal account linked to the family website.

[OneUp]

I don't see "hourds" of vigilante lawbreakers out there now and it is daytime, IMO.:shrug::shrug:I thougth the Guardian Angels left? In light of how they chased down that man and his wife and jumped on the hood of his car..I think they should leave before they end up in trouble too.
JMO.

[rosejustrose]

If the Anthony's ever loved Caylee they are not showing it now. Maybe they are the type that when things/people are out of sight they are out of mind as well?

Maybe that's true. Maybe that's why it took Casey 31 days to report Caylee missing. She forgot. JMO.

[impartial]

It could be that jessie was a onenightstand for casey....jessie was obviously very taken with casey....then when she calls months later and says she's pregnant...that's when they begin the real (to Jessie anyway) relationship..I think he was more than happy to be the father, to Caylee, because he really did love casey....imo



What kind of surprised me was when Geraldo asked him if he loved Casey and Caylee ... his reponse was he loved Casey.

Then later, when he found out Caylee wasn't his child, he had mixed emotions, because he came to bond with her and love her ... or words to that affect.

IMO

[GrannyB]

NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. But complete strangers have donated MONEY and their time. People have traveled from out of state to help search for her body, including members of this message board.

While the Anthony's do NOTHING besides lie, play games and point the finger at innocent people... and possibly/allegedly make profit from selling video and pictures of Caylee.. and the trust fund in Caylee's name/paypal account linked to the family website.


I do believe you answered that question correctly.:D

[OneUp]

I wouldn't think that would be enough reason to shut it down either but wo knows. Some really strange things happening in this case that i have never seen before in other cases.

Good to see you OneupEt Tu Rebel...I have heard of many trusts set up for defense funds for some pretty awful people...I have never heard of a single one which was forced out by the bank it was set up at due to public pressure. Have any of you?

[rosejustrose]

What kind of surprised me was when Geraldo asked him if he loved Casey and Caylee ... his reponse was he loved Casey.

Then later, when he found out Caylee wasn't his child, he had mixed emotions, because he came to bond with her and love her ... or words to that affect.

IMO

IIRC he also said something about you don't have to have a biological connection to be a good father. IMO.

[tashi]

I can't attest to whether this is true or not...

Someone over at WS said they spoke with Tim from TES and he is not making any announcement tommorrow...darn, I was really hoping for some good news

here's the thread

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71551&page=11

[impartial]

IIRC he also said something about you don't have to have a biological connection to be a good father. IMO.


Yes, I recall that as well.

IMO

[SavannahStar]

I can't attest to whether this is true or not...

Someone over at WS said they spoke with Tim from TES and he is not making any announcement tommorrow...darn, I was really hoping for some good news

here's the thread

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71551&page=11

Another rumor. Not surprising at all in this case.

[GrannyB]

Post of the day. :beer:

Thanks. That was nice of you.:cool:

[OneUp]

I will agree with that. I think she was loved by many people. And that includes Casey. I'm probably one of the only ones who believes that. Oh well, I don't mind being in the minority.

I think that there are many cases in criminal justice where a person has killed a person they loved. (Unfortunately.)

The human psyche is incredibly convoluted.You aren't aloone in thinking that Casey loved Caylee...I just think that love was a very different thing to Casey than it is to most of us. IMO, Casey loved her child like a two year old loves a doll...play with it, fix its hair, toss it aside in boredom...scream with jealousy when someone else picks up "their" toy....abandon it when it becomes broken.
I do think she tried to "love" Caylee to the best of her limited abilities....but Casey is just not capable of the empathy, sacrifice, and giving required of real love.
JMO.

[GrannyB]

He fell in love with Casey. Exactly as it should be and perfectly normal. Caylee wasn't born when he fell in love with Casey.

Surely the OP isn't trying to turn this into a Jesse didn't really love Caylee thing? Please!

I believe Jesse and his family loved Caylee more than her biological family did.

[rosejustrose]

ITA!

mho


Me, too. They'll join the "hourdes" of people trying to destroy her family, spin all the mistruths and will be do blame if Caylee is found dead. JMO.

[AlohaRainbow]

It could be that jessie was a onenightstand for casey....jessie was obviously very taken with casey....then when she calls months later and says she's pregnant...that's when they begin the real (to Jessie anyway) relationship..I think he was more than happy to be the father, to Caylee, because he really did love casey....imo
that's what i "understood" jesse's dad to say when i listened to his interview

[rosejustrose]

You aren't aloone in thinking that Casey loved Caylee...I just think that love was a very different thing to Casey than it is to most of us. IMO, Casey loved her child like a two year old loves a doll...play with it, fix its hair, toss it aside in boredom...scream with jealousy when someone else picks up "their" toy....abandon it when it becomes broken.
I do think she tried to "love" Caylee to the best of her limited abilities....but Casey is just not capable of the empathy, sacrifice, and giving required of real love.
JMO.


Excellent post!!!

[Rebel Rouzer]

He fell in love with Casey. Exactly as it should be and perfectly normal. Caylee wasn't born when he fell in love with Casey.

Surely the OP isn't trying to turn this into a Jesse didn't really love Caylee thing? Please!

I'm trying to figure out how such a nice guy like Jesse got mixed up with a person as manipulaive as Casey.

[trich]

If one of my grandchildren was missing and my daughter was the last person to see her, my daughter would still be sitting in jail until that little child was found. If my daughter was innocent, after my grandchild was found, I would then begin worrying about taking care of her.

I am a 71 year old grandmother who has raised seven children to take responsibility for their actions. When they were not perfect, my husband and I made them be accountable for their actions.

And if those protesters are "vigilate lawbreakers", what does that make Casey. If she is innocent until proven guilty, so are the protesters. It works both ways. So ranting and raving, fighting and screaming is a crime, but not reporting your daughter missing or helping find her, is a "get out of jail free" card. By the way, I do not agree with the protesters actions, but I don't agree with Casey's actions either.

Casey sits in her own little world, Caylee has been missing for over three months. If Cindy and George are having financial problems, where is the money coming from to pay for all of these security measures and the high priced attorney. Seems like I would want to spend my money on finding my grandchild.




I am a mom of 2 and a grandmother of 7 and I could not have said it better.

[rosejustrose]

I'm trying to figure out how such a nice guy like Jesse got mixed up with a person as manipulaive as Casey.

The innocence of youth? Lack of life experience? Raised to look for the best in people? Adolescent horniness? :shrug: JMO.

[impartial]

I'm trying to figure out how such a nice guy like Jesse got mixed up with a person as manipulaive as Casey.



There's no accounting for taste?

:shrug:

[OneUp]

What about the ones inside the house?
Guitarded, I want to interject that when My Angel baby was gone, I wouldn't have even known if there were hoards, or gangs, or football teams on my lawn. I was out looking day and night and following up with every legal avenue available to me...not sitting at home watching Nancy Grace, recieving calls from some random girl from Tenessee ( right state?) and grousing about how people on some website were characterizing myself and my family.
And don't think for a second that there weren't people who said ugly things to and about me...I just didn't waste my time on them.
JMO.

[GrannyB]

I'm trying to figure out how such a nice guy like Jesse got mixed up with a person as manipulaive as Casey.

Love is blind maybe?