9/20 - Evening Thread

[OneUp]

Well in that case, scratch #2 from the list.Zold? Is this going to be a really long list?

I might need a snack and potty break before we really get going on it.
Not JMO...Mandatory!:D

[WillowInFlight]

He never pussyfoots around. I watched him when he was on Oprah, before he got his program. I recall thinking "Geeze, anyone going to walk away with their self esteem? I never watched his own show...

jmo

He's gotten a little more careful in his wording over the years.

[VII]

..... personal sacrifice and responsibilty...two things that are not in Casey's vocabulary.IMO.

:beer:
cheers

[Rayosunshine]

Many battered and abused women stay in the home with the abuser because they have been brainwashed into thinking they are worthless.


Seem's I have read/heard that some actually believe they enjoy their position in life. Like you said, brainwashed.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Elle]

My daughter and my nieces all call my mother momma and my father poppa. She calls me mom. I can tell the difference. JMO.

Hi Rose
yes, that is exactly what I was trying to convey. Maybe it was something like that, maybe it wasn't, but I know I cannot draw any conclusions based on what he said he heard without alot more information. I still hold Casey responsible for whatever happened to Caylee. Caylee is Casey's daughter and no matter what happened to Casey in her past, it was Caseys responsibility to step up to the plate and be her mother.

imo, moo

[5boxersmom]

I know all about the "free" stuff that's out there. To qualify for alot of help, you fill out a needs assessment and it includes info for the whole family for the last year, so if she were living with her parents, their salaries would be pertinent and she would probably not qualify. I have a daughter who is a single mom who has gone through this. She's been living with me for almost 4 years. On her salary she could afford to live in certain areas of our city, but I would die before I would allow her to do that.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


Well, if nothing else Casey could have at least got loans and grants, like some of us and got a degree. She has had time. If Cindy was giving her money for a "Nanny" she could have paid a real one. :shrug:

jmo

[barskin&co.]

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Casey didnt want to get off of her lazy butt to go out and get a job. She had it made at her parents home. Can any one here honestly say that if Casey was their daughter, would they condone her actions? Like working, making her own money, but still having to pay for everything for Casey and Caylee? They had to be paying for everything from insurance to cell phones to God only knows what else. If she were my daughter, i would have put a stop to it a long time ago. Casey wasnt stupid.......she was a smart cookie. JMO

Yes, it was one thing to say Casey had a tough road being a single mother, but she did nothing. She didn't work. She didn't get a GED. She lied about a career and stole.

[5boxersmom]

and tried to tell her ...she must of talked to someone else thinking it was him....good grief...


I know. :eek:

[lonetraveler]

I have a niece and on the other side of the family the grandmother is called....big momma.

These are more like nic names tho'

I think, what Jesse was saying was Cindy, addressed herself with Caylee, in a manner that gave her the TITLE of mother.

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All the grandchildren including me called my grandmother "Big Mama".

One comment I would like to make concerning Cindy's role caring for Casey. Have any of you thought that maybe Cindy had to be mother to Caylee because her daughter was too sorry, self-centered and irresponsible to take proper care of her daughter? Maybe Cindy was considered to be very controlling to Casey because Cindy was trying to force Casey to take care of Caylee. Casey probably tried to get sympathy from all her friends by complaining and being a victim of her mother. I would guess that Casey was not a "good mother" at all. She probably became the doting mother when it got her attention. I know by experience how difficult it is when a daughter becomes pregnant and decides to have the baby but is not interested in feeding, changing and caring for the baby. When that happens, the grandparent will care the the baby.

[barskin&co.]

Well in that case, scratch #2 from the list.

I know I am going to be sorry asking this, but what list?

[dixie77]

Many battered and abused women stay in the home with the abuser because they have been brainwashed into thinking they are worthless.
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I doubt if Casey considered herself worthless. JMO

[need2no]

Doesn't it make you wonder at Lee's motivation to suddenly thrust himself right into the mix again?
Yeah, I know...someone will pipe up about his concern for his parents...trust me, there was cause to be supportive and concerned long before Caylee was gone. Besides, he could easily show support without acting just like them and spreading the "mistruths". He could step up and speak for the family as an honest and sympathetic spokesperson...he chose to miss that train.
He removed himself from that house and stayed gone purposefully. I have my theories on that as well as on why he chose to reinsert himself into the dysfunction.
All JMO.


Yes, it is rather strange....and I have considered several different theories myself. One being I've wondered if he too never felt he measured up in Cindy and/or George's eyes. Were they proud of him? Did they force him out of there home? Did he leave because of George's misbehavior, the fights, the money problems? Perhaps he viewed this as an opportunity to redeem himself, step up to the plate and prove himself to one or both of his parents by being supportive and trying to help out along the way.
Perhaps he is deeply involved and actually understands Casey's need for revenge against Cindy. And perhaps............

Just from the MS postings we've seen it is obvious Lee was well aware of the strain between Casey and their parents. And he would have to be blind not to see something wasn't right with Casey's BS stories, and Cindy's connection and overpowering control of Caylee. Add that to them hanging out together from time to time, Cindy saying if anyone could talk to Casey it was Lee, and some shared 'friends', and oh my.

Do you think Lee will have Cindy watching over his baby when it's born?
:eek:

[WillowInFlight]

Yes, it was one thing to say Casey had a tough road being a single mother, but she did nothing. She didn't work. She didn't get a GED. She lied about a career and stole.

And she had a nanny to boot. Go figure.

[Tiger]

Yes, it was one thing to say Casey had a tough road being a single mother, but she did nothing. She didn't work. She didn't get a GED. She lied about a career and stole.

You know since you put it that way...I think she had a pretty cush life! Thinking of all the things that she did have and took for granted makes me sick! Caylee being one of them....(I know Caylee is not a thing, just a term)

[5boxersmom]

Um, yeah. I wa sa single mother for a long time, have had my own home since I was 17, and have 3 bachelors degrees, 2 associate degress, and multiple other trainings and certifications. I frequently worked two jobs. My child never had to do without having every need met.
It's not easy, but people do it every day.
Many here are single moms...I'm sure they would be glad to share their stories...but it does require personal sacrifice and responsibilty...two things that are not in Casey's vocabulary.IMO.

As my mommy always said Where there is a will there is a way.
:)

[msjoni]

Yes.
CASEY'S FORMER FRIENDS TAKE LIE DETECTOR TESTS

Detectives still can't shake the truth from Caylee's mom Casey, but her ex-fiancé, ex-lover and ex-best friend have talked and investigators want to make sure it's legitimate.

Sources told Eyewitness News exclusively that Casey's ex-fiancé Jesse Grund, ex-lover Ricardo Morales and ex-best friend Amy Huizenga all went through lie detector tests. Sources said they were conducted not because they were accused of anything, but to make sure detectives could confirm all the details of their stories.

Huizenga is the same friend from whom Casey's accused of stealing checks from.
http://www.wftv.com/news/17483047/detail.html

Thank You!:beer:

[OneUp]

If he and Casey were as close as he said in his testimony and her life was such hell at home, why didn't she move in with him?IDK..but would you want her to live with you? I think Lee grew up and shed himself of the lot of them to a great degree.....I don't blame him.
What I really wonder about is why he would come back and essentially move in again. Easy enough to keep his distance still if he wanted...even while he supported his parents.
JMO.

[VII]

I think it was the combination of calling herself Mommy and taking over the mothering role to boot.


"taking over the mothering role to boot"
Yep, that's what ALLL grandparents want to do, BE a parent again.
sheesh.
It is surprising how many grandparents are raising grandchildren.
It is difficult to not get sucked into that, after all, if Cindy hadn't
ASSUMED
the mothering role, who else would have?

[Tiger]

As my mommy always said Where there is a will there is a way.
:)

My sister always says "where there is a will...."I want to be in it":)

[Ionmhainn]

And the above has what to do with this case?

I think it ties in just fine. The discussion was about Cindy calling herself Mommy...which not only would have created confusion for Caylee, but possibly anger and resentment from Casey. The poster you quoted talked about foster children, but the confusion is the real point, imo. No clearly defined roles.

[VII]

Seem's I have read/heard that some actually believe they enjoy their position in life. Like you said, brainwashed.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

LORD help us ...
imo
Casey was NOT an abused child.
She's a spoiled rotten brat who probably NEEDED her butt whooped more than she got.
AND
a dose or two of the word "no" may have changed things.
Too late now.

[luvinlife]

He is tired of seeing Jesse get dragged through the mud. Has heard they are trying to blame this on Jesse. Jesse had nothing to do with this.

Short one date thing. Casey tells Jesse she is pregnant, Jesse steps up to the plate. Jesse suggested adoption since they were so young, Casey said this wasn't an option. When Caylee was born Jesse had DNA paternity test...O% possibilty he was the father. He said Casey loved being a mom, loved having Caylee in her life.

When Casey sat at the dinner table with Mr. Grund waiting on Jesse to get home from work she would tell him how her mother controlled her, she couldn't make her own decisions, she wanted to get out. Wanted to have her own family. Casey asked Jesse to get an apartment or house with her even before they got married.

Craig Rivera asked about phone call on the 16th when Casey also called Cindy 6 times. Mr. Grund said Casey complained about TonE and her living arrangements, said mom wasn't going to give her the house, it was not a panic phone call.

Jesse still believes he heard Caylee in the background (during phone call), but since he can't be 100% sure he wouldn't testify to this.

Without a body or DNA he will never believe Caylee is gone. :(


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFrbpaRP6r8

(middle to end of tape)




I know I am really behind, but does anyone remember the woman I think it was on WS that said she called in a tip to the Anthony's and LE that she thought she saw Caylee being transfered to someone in a truck by a gas station and that there had been a robbery earlier that day I believe. Well she claims that she talked to Jesse etc and then talked to Lee and Cindy. Supposedly Cindy said he can't be trusted (re Casey I think) and Lee told her some other stuff. I don't recall the whole story and I will try and find it, but do you think this is where the rumor re: Jesse came from???

[5boxersmom]

My sister always says "where there is a will...."I want to be in it":)

I will have to remember that one. Cute. :)

Caylee:rose:

[concernedmom]

I know I am really behind, but does anyone remember the woman I think it was on WS that said she called in a tip to the Anthony's and LE that she thought she saw Caylee being transfered to someone in a truck by a gas station and that there had been a robbery earlier that day I believe. Well she claims that she talked to Jesse etc and then talked to Lee and Cindy. Supposedly Cindy said he can't be trusted (re Casey I think) and Lee told her some other stuff. I don't recall the whole story and I will try and find it, but do you think this is where the rumor re: Jesse came from???I remember reading it and LE saw the video tape and it wasnt Caylee. Yeah that is probably how it got started.

[hanlil]

Yes, it is rather strange....and I have considered several different theories myself. One being I've wondered if he too never felt he measured up in Cindy and/or George's eyes. Were they proud of him? Did they force him out of there home? Did he leave because of George's misbehavior, the fights, the money problems? Perhaps he viewed this as an opportunity to redeem himself, step up to the plate and prove himself to one or both of his parents by being supportive and trying to help out along the way.
Perhaps he is deeply involved and actually understands Casey's need for revenge against Cindy. And perhaps............

Just from the MS postings we've seen it is obvious Lee was well aware of the strain between Casey and their parents. And he would have to be blind not to see something wasn't right with Casey's BS stories, and Cindy's connection and overpowering control of Caylee. Add that to them hanging out together from time to time, Cindy saying if anyone could talk to Casey it was Lee, and some shared 'friends', and oh my.

Do you think Lee will have Cindy watching over his baby when it's born?
:eek:

Is there a link to myspace posts that were captured before their pages were changed?

[barskin&co.]

I know I am really behind, but does anyone remember the woman I think it was on WS that said she called in a tip to the Anthony's and LE that she thought she saw Caylee being transfered to someone in a truck by a gas station and that there had been a robbery earlier that day I believe. Well she claims that she talked to Jesse etc and then talked to Lee and Cindy. Supposedly Cindy said he can't be trusted (re Casey I think) and Lee told her some other stuff. I don't recall the whole story and I will try and find it, but do you think this is where the rumor re: Jesse came from???

Could be. WS seems to be the message board of choice for spreading stupid rumors.

[hamebone]

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All the grandchildren including me called my grandmother "Big Mama".

One comment I would like to make concerning Cindy's role caring for Casey. Have any of you thought that maybe Cindy had to be mother to Caylee because her daughter was too sorry, self-centered and irresponsible to take proper care of her daughter? Maybe Cindy was considered to be very controlling to Casey because Cindy was trying to force Casey to take care of Caylee. Casey probably tried to get sympathy from all her friends by complaining and being a victim of her mother. I would guess that Casey was not a "good mother" at all. She probably became the doting mother when it got her attention. I know by experience how difficult it is when a daughter becomes pregnant and decides to have the baby but is not interested in feeding, changing and caring for the baby. When that happens, the grandparent will care the the baby.


I think that might be closer to the truth.

In the 3rd 911 call Cindy showed concern, Casey wanted to know why they wanted to talk to her.

[need2no]

When was Lee to bring the beer to the family gathering because CA thought beer was too expensive? TIA


I believe this was posted already before, but I feel the need to post it again. This is a comment to Lee from Casey:

Aug 10, 2006 8:24 PM
alright, so HUGE favor time.

mom is going to buy wine coolers, and she already has tons of wine, but no beer. she said she saw how expensive it is at the store, and is refusing to buy any. if i could, ****, i definitely would.

it doesn't have to be a lot, just something. i can feel the necessity of the drinks already... it's going to be a LONG day saturday.

thanks man. see ya in a couple days!

(don't know how sober i will be able to be, being stuck around dad, and what not the whole day. i feel a lot of awkwardness coming on.)

[dixie77]

Originally Posted by Tiger
My sister always says "where there is a will...."I want to be in it"=====
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That is so cute.........i like. That would make a great sig line.

[VII]

What I really wonder about is why he would come back and essentially move in again. Easy enough to keep his distance still if he wanted...even while he supported his parents.
JMO.

Just a wild guess, here, ....
blood is thicker than water?
:shrug:

[WillowInFlight]

I know I am really behind, but does anyone remember the woman I think it was on WS that said she called in a tip to the Anthony's and LE that she thought she saw Caylee being transfered to someone in a truck by a gas station and that there had been a robbery earlier that day I believe. Well she claims that she talked to Jesse etc and then talked to Lee and Cindy. Supposedly Cindy said he can't be trusted (re Casey I think) and Lee told her some other stuff. I don't recall the whole story and I will try and find it, but do you think this is where the rumor re: Jesse came from???

I do remember that, Cindy told her to stay away from him, He was suppose to be going to Ga, for his nieces birthday and was going to meet up with her but never did.

[OneUp]

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All the grandchildren including me called my grandmother "Big Mama".

One comment I would like to make concerning Cindy's role caring for Casey. Have any of you thought that maybe Cindy had to be mother to Caylee because her daughter was too sorry, self-centered and irresponsible to take proper care of her daughter? Maybe Cindy was considered to be very controlling to Casey because Cindy was trying to force Casey to take care of Caylee. Casey probably tried to get sympathy from all her friends by complaining and being a victim of her mother. I would guess that Casey was not a "good mother" at all. She probably became the doting mother when it got her attention. I know by experience how difficult it is when a daughter becomes pregnant and decides to have the baby but is not interested in feeding, changing and caring for the baby. When that happens, the grandparent will care the the baby.I have thought about that...it is pretty much exactly what I have thought about any claims that Casey was anything remotely resembling a parent.
I'm sure having Cindy for a mother was miserable, but I don't think Casey was "mother material" anyway. Nothing Cindy did or did not do excuses Caseys depravity in mudering her child, or in the things she has done since for her pleasure and to save her own worthless hide.
JMO.

[need2no]

Do you think there was a fake body in the trunk?


:biggrin:...FAKE body!

[Joan Weiss]

[QUOTE=OneUp;12157699]That is irrelevant, because Caylee is dead.
The evidence tells investigators and all of us who have the interest to read and understand the information that Caylee is dead and was in her mothers trunk for at least 8 hours after death.'
I just cannot give you the answer you seem to want, because that would mean suspending my own intellect and claiming that Caylee might still be alive. I wish she were...but she is not. Not one fact makes me think she might be.
of course, that is JMO.[/QUOT

OneUp, we do not know for a fact that Caylee is dead. If LE knew for a fact that she was, they wouldn't be dotting their i's and crossing their t's and Casey wouldn't be living in the Anthony home.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMomI think they want to find Caylee, and they have time...

I think they also care about that little girl and want to bring her home.
jmo

[5boxersmom]

IDK..but would you want her to live with you? I think Lee grew up and shed himself of the lot of them to a great degree.....I don't blame him.
What I really wonder about is why he would come back and essentially move in again. Easy enough to keep his distance still if he wanted...even while he supported his parents.
JMO.


Because the money train is coming in?

jmo

Caylee:rose:

[WillowInFlight]

Do you think there was a fake body in the trunk?

That caused a fake smell ?

[VII]

Do you think there was a fake body in the trunk?

the car was towed, right?
who picked the car up?
surely there is a record of it....
for my own information, please,
I try to keep up with this case but ciphering fact from fiction is a PITA.

[need2no]

Is there a link to myspace posts that were captured before their pages were changed?


Not that I am aware of...on this board.

[barskin&co.]

That caused a fake smell ?

That caused two fake cadaver dogs to alert and a fake detective to say he smelled the "unmistakable" sent of a human decomposition and the fake man at the tow yard to say it smelled like another car which they found the dead body of a man who comitted suicide...

[barskin&co.]

the car was towed, right?
who picked the car up?
surely there is a record of it....
for my own information, please,
I try to keep up with this case but ciphering fact from fiction is a PITA.

We have links to the 400 page doc released a few weeks ago and a wonderful thread which indexes everything in those docs and more.

[hanlil]

the car was towed, right?
who picked the car up?
surely there is a record of it....
for my own information, please,
I try to keep up with this case but ciphering fact from fiction is a PITA.

George and Cindy picked it up.

[need2no]

Because the money train is coming in?

jmo

Caylee:rose:


Uh-huh. Cha ching!!

[Ionmhainn]

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I doubt if Casey considered herself worthless. JMO


Actually, I'm not so sure of that. Why the need for the fantasy life? Inferiority complexes often manifest as the opposite.

(I almost feel as if I need to add a disclaimer on this thread. Trying to understand Casey is not the same as defending her.)

IMO

[barskin&co.]

So you're saying the tow yard IS real? :shrug:

Oh, pardon me. Let me rephrase that. WillowinFlight said, "that caused a fake smell?" And I should have said:
That caused two fake cadaver dogs to alert and a fake detective to say he smelled the "unmistakable" sent of a human decomposition and the fake man at the fake tow yard to say it smelled like another car which they found the dead body of a man who comitted suicide...

[hanlil]

Not that I am aware of...on this board.

Too bad. I've seen bits here and there but seems like posts they made would be very telling. I guess LE should have them all though.

[Joan Weiss]

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All the grandchildren including me called my grandmother "Big Mama".

One comment I would like to make concerning Cindy's role caring for Casey. Have any of you thought that maybe Cindy had to be mother to Caylee because her daughter was too sorry, self-centered and irresponsible to take proper care of her daughter? Maybe Cindy was considered to be very controlling to Casey because Cindy was trying to force Casey to take care of Caylee. Casey probably tried to get sympathy from all her friends by complaining and being a victim of her mother. I would guess that Casey was not a "good mother" at all. She probably became the doting mother when it got her attention. I know by experience how difficult it is when a daughter becomes pregnant and decides to have the baby but is not interested in feeding, changing and caring for the baby. When that happens, the grandparent will care the the baby.Maybe Cindy made her feel incompetent. I think Casey should have moved out and got a job or gone to school. I wouldn't want to live with Cindy, and certainly not with my child. Cindy's too dominant. imo

[luvinlife]

Because Jesse said that Casey would call herself "Mom' to Caylee, in front of Casey.

.

I have a thought on this. I am not defending Cindy for saying this just adding my experience.

I had my first son when I was 18yrs old and I lived with my mother and step father. They love my son like their own (they were actually trying for their own at the time I had him), anyway my Mom still to this day is very close to my son (he is now 19 yrs old and living with them). I love my Mom and stepfather for all that they have done for me and my son. My mother has called herself mom to my son in front of myself and others. She doesn't do this for any other reason than she just says it by accident, like calling your kid the wrong name. I have four kids and even they have called my Mom mom and me grandma.

I could be wrong but it is just a thought.

If Cindy did this knowingly to make Casey feel bad or inadequate then that is a very cruel thing to do, and no doubt that Casey felt she couldn't measure up to Cindy's standards. Which I do believe Cindy is a control freak and needs to keep up appearances.

[barskin&co.]

That's better. You don't want to be spreading fake rumors, do ya'? :seeya:

No indeed! I would go over to WS to do that. :seeya:

[need2no]

Too bad. I've seen bits here and there but seems like posts they made would be very telling. I guess LE should have them all though.


Yes, I'm sure they have them and a lot more from Casey's laptop, including all the stuff she thought was deleted.

I'm annoyed at myself for not copying all of them when they were available...I've followed cases long enough to know how quickly things disappear on the internet. On the other hand I already have a gazillion folders from previous cases I've followed and I need to clean house one day to make some room. However since everyone here keeps my interest with their posts...I can't seem to pull myself away long enough for spring cleaning my folders. :)

[OneUp]

Just a wild guess, here, ....
blood is thicker than water?
:shrug:I love my family dearly, help them when I can, and treat them with the utmost kindness...I do not, however "get all up" in their messes.
Thank God I have the sense to realize love doesn't mean getting engaged in ongoing dysfunction and self created drama.
JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Oh, pardon me. Let me rephrase that. WillowinFlight said, "that caused a fake smell?" And I should have said:
That caused two fake cadaver dogs to alert and a fake detective to say he smelled the "unmistakable" sent of a human decomposition and the fake man at the fake tow yard to say it smelled like another car which they found the dead body of a man who comitted suicide...

:lol::lol:

[Ionmhainn]

Hey, you can TRY the disclaimer! I haven't found one that works yet. :D


Maybe I'll make it my tag line? Seriously though...I haven't met anyone quite like Casey in real life, but have met quite a few people who try to "live large" to cover up some deep seated insecurities. I'm one of "those people" who like to try to understand how things come to be...believing that nothing is "created in a vacuum", imo.

[barskin&co.]

LOL! It might take the next year for the list belonging to Caylee's connections. You have lots of time. :hat:

Using the principle of 6 degrees of separation, you can come up with billions of people with connections to Caylee.
BUT, there is only one person who never called the police to to them that Caylee was missing. Caylee had only one mother who partied it up from June 16 to July 15. Caylee had only one mother who told LE an enormous pile of lies when they were trying to help her find her daughter. Caylee had only one mother who has refused to tell police anything about her daughter's disappearance. The list couldn't be smaller.

[VII]

We have links to the 400 page doc released a few weeks ago and a wonderful thread which indexes everything in those docs and more.


ummm
i have a life
i see you are up to what, over 13.000 posts....
if ya didn't wanna answer the question OR read my comments
pleeeeze feel free to put me on iggy

[Snoopy50]

Decent being the key word.

You won't have to hold your breath waiting for a PM from me...and now they are talking about lowering the legal drinking age. :eek:
I sent one!!!:)

[need2no]

I sent one!!!:)


Well now that you've teased me with this.....how about sending it to me as well. :)

[WillowInFlight]

Well it seems the reporter on the web cam has been sleeping standing up for the last hour so I think thats my cue. LOL. Have a great night all, stay safe. Maybe the good Lord will bring Caylee home tomorrow. :seeya:

[Snoopy50]

Well now that you've teased me with this.....how about sending it to me as well. :)

Um.....I don't know what to say. for once.:chicken:

[need2no]

Um.....I don't know what to say. for once.:chicken:

GOTCHA...it was bound to happen. :D

[VII]

Sounds to me like all those people you're talking about just need a good whopping.

it's whOOpin'
not
whopping

;)

[OneUp]

I hope you can remember that both grandparents worked. She a nurse, he whatever. I'm quite sure Lee led his own life and didn't have the need to stick his nose up his parents business. Then again, he probably was considerate since Casey and Caylee also lived there, supported by his parents. You have no way to pronounce that he is being untruthful and has been nothing but helpful from the day he learned the baby was missing. Their lives were all normal working people up to that point when Casey "wanted" her freedom. Good grief.
Actually, I do have the means to"pronounce that he is being untruthful"
He has lied more than once himself, including lying to the Owner of Berniece the St. Bernard about the decrees of the HOA.
I have NEVER heard a word from the LE stating that he has been helpful or cooperative...he did send them a whole pile of misleading and false information about people from his sister.
I fail to see how it is "considerate" to avoid contact with your family for months at a time, as Lee stated he did.
As to him having "the need to stick his nose up his parents business"...he is certainly doing so now...is he not?
YOU have no way to know if their lives were normal or not....Rev, Grund seemed to find it anything but normal. He is a man I highly respect and find to be honest, so I take his wor d or that fact.
But I do not feel a need to defend further what is clearly my opinion from someone only interested in being argumentative.
IMO, Lee is a loser and a liar...just like his mother , his sister, and likely his father as well. Believe what you like based on what you see and how you interpret it. Maybe you will see something I overlook and change my mind.
All always, JMO.

[VII]

I love my family dearly, help them when I can, and treat them with the utmost kindness...I do not, however "get all up" in their messes.
Thank God I have the sense to realize love doesn't mean getting engaged in ongoing dysfunction and self created drama.
JMO.

:beer:
ME too!!
Those cycles are HARD to break, particularly if all involved don't even realize what they are doing.

[barskin&co.]

ummm
i have a life
i see you are up to what, over 13.000 posts....
if ya didn't wanna answer the question OR read my comments
pleeeeze feel free to put me on iggy

I'm sorry, I wasn't being sarcastic. I really was trying to answer your question. We have 2 wonderful threads that has so many answers to any number of little questions. It's a great resource to use, and a poster went to enormous trouble to do it for us. They are on stickies at the top of the board.

I am sorry if you felt offended. I didn't mean it.

[barskin&co.]

The answers you seek are in the documents.

Very simple process. Read the documents & you will have your answers. :)

I was pointing out Lorakai's 2 fabulous indexed threads, which we are so lucky to have.

[5boxersmom]

Well it seems the reporter on the web cam has been sleeping standing up for the last hour so I think thats my cue. LOL. Have a great night all, stay safe. Maybe the good Lord will bring Caylee home tomorrow. :seeya:

:seeya:

Caylee:rose:

[VII]

I'm sorry, I wasn't being sarcastic. I really was trying to answer your question. We have 2 wonderful threads that has so many answers to any number of little questions. It's a great resource to use, and a poster went to enormous trouble to do it for us. They are on stickies at the top of the board.

I am sorry if you felt offended. I didn't mean it.

I'm just here to do something with my brain other than what I do all week long. Don't have time to do it, wishin' I did :read:
It's down-time for me, in more ways than one.

Nite

[luvinlife]

I know I am really behind, but does anyone remember the woman I think it was on WS that said she called in a tip to the Anthony's and LE that she thought she saw Caylee being transfered to someone in a truck by a gas station and that there had been a robbery earlier that day I believe. Well she claims that she talked to Jesse etc and then talked to Lee and Cindy. Supposedly Cindy said he can't be trusted (re Casey I think) and Lee told her some other stuff. I don't recall the whole story and I will try and find it, but do you think this is where the rumor re: Jesse came from???



Adding that at WS they had a thread talking about Jesse maybe being involved and Jesse's dad actually sent them an email complaining about it.




Here is the WS page read all posts by Renea this is who says that stuff about Jesse I can't find the one where all info is on one post.



http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69211&page=3

[Snoopy50]

Actually I think her husband did it. I always have. I dont think she was involved in any way; I think he was after the LE policies on all of them
Dots

Wow! Do you really? I always believed an intruder did it, i have never been convinced she did it, but there is another case of someone reacting very differently in a tragedy.Sorry for the OT.

[panokatana]

Listened to Geraldo tonight...

It's been said, Casey was (allegedly) desperate to leave her parents home, she was under Cindy's control, she was awkward with George, etc...

Tony's roommate stated (allegedly) that she was looking for an apartment, etc... moving in the relationship with Tony...(faster than Tony wanted.)

She...was engaged...Jesse's parents seemed to accept her, he (says he) wanted to be Caylee's dad, he apparently lovED Casey...

Why did she break up with him...he knew Caylee wasn't his...still he was willing to be with her, raise the little girl, his parents loved Caylee...
it was her way out...

Has it been said...why she broke up with him?

TIA
JMO

[barskin&co.]

I'm just here to do something with my brain other than what I do all week long. Don't have time to do it, wishin' I did :read:
It's down-time for me, in more ways than one.

Nite

I heard that! :D

[need2no]

Listened to Geraldo tonight...

It's been said, Casey was (allegedly) desperate to leave her parents home, she was under Cindy's control, she was awkward with George, etc...

Tony's roommate stated (allegedly) that she was looking for an apartment, etc... moving in the relationship with Tony...(faster than Tony wanted.)

She...was engaged...Jesse's parents seemed to accept her, he (says he) wanted to be Caylee's dad, he apparently lovED Casey...

Why did she break up with him...he knew Caylee wasn't his...still he was willing to be with her, raise the little girl, his parents loved Caylee...
it was her way out...

Has it been said...why she broke up with him?

TIA
JMO

Not that I am aware of.

[luvinlife]

Need it be said yet again?

Jesse Grund took a lie detector test.

He passed said lie detector test.




I am not saying nor have I ever said Jesse was involved I am only showing information as to where this rumor may have originated. Sorry for bothering you. Feel free to ignore.

[barskin&co.]

Need it be said yet again?

Jesse Grund took a lie detector test.

He passed said lie detector test.

How low can you get? Spreading vile rumors about Jesse who was nothing but good to Casey and Caylee. And where else would it be spread but on WS!

[OneUp]

I'm sorry, I wasn't being sarcastic. I really was trying to answer your question. We have 2 wonderful threads that has so many answers to any number of little questions. It's a great resource to use, and a poster went to enormous trouble to do it for us. They are on stickies at the top of the board.

I am sorry if you felt offended. I didn't mean it.Don't sweat it Barskin!...people who have been here a bit know you are nothing if not helpful!;)
Those links do come in handy...TY for reminding me they are right there!

[OneUp]

:seeya: Hi jenny! where've you been?

[need2no]

Don't sweat it Barskin!...people who have been here a bit know you are nothing if not helpful!;)
Those links do come in handy...TY for reminding me they are right there!

I have to admit that I often dig through my mostly unorganized folders, or GOOGLE for info because I forget about those links being right there and available. But don't tell anyone I admitted this, ok?

:hat: Like my dunce hat? :)

[OneUp]

luvinlife was just sharing the info.
I read the thread on WS .. some fruit tart was claiming Jesse was sent to meet her in GA I think it was? by the Anthony's ..to follow up on a lead .. bliddity blah blah... it was ridiculous.
LOL...I remember that one! She reminded me of my former MIL...saw a conspiracy everywhere...

[GrannyB]

:cuss: Be good y'all please dont turn on each other :shrug:

Remember Caylee. She's gone, something Horrible Happened, Casey said so herself in those intv tapes, just have to listen closely. It will take her years and years behind bars, to understand the magnitude of what she's done. Unless of course Im right and Cindy had Caylee that day, and they are "going to pin this on Casey, being able to prove she never cared for caylee etc etc"
It's a mess of a case, but I do believe there will be indictments. Just have to hold tight you guys.

Poster is very accurate about Casey and abuse. I believe this was a violent home that created two very uneducated unemotional children. Clearly with boundary issues and possible mental problems.

Cindy had no right to control Casey's life or use Caylee as a Pawn. From the Get go; I've seen her as very evil. I've seen nothing to change my opinion of her; I've only seen her confirm how sick she really is. On Camera. Repeatedly. I think they are all seething with hatred actually, and I dont know why or how casey agreed to sleep in their house.....

Do you all really think; that Casey is lying there in her old bedroom at night, balling her eyes out holding Caylees old dolls or toys that smell like her? Holding her pillow to smell her? Do you think Cindy is?

Do you think her parents, can hear her crying all night long, for her baby? I dont think so; I would be surprised to find that so. That's just evil. Time to pound more stakes though. Maybe write an open letter about those damn protesters! OR drive that honkin billboard 2 blocks to panhandle! (oh the shame, Shame Shame Shame)
Dots

I think Casey turned her emotions off many many years ago in order to survive.

[barskin&co.]

luvinlife was just sharing the info.
I read the thread on WS .. some fruit tart was claiming Jesse was sent to meet her in GA I think it was? by the Anthony's ..to follow up on a lead .. bliddity blah blah... it was ridiculous.

DISCLAIMER: PLEASE do not repeat this info .. it was a goofy poster making up some bullshovic.

Ridiculous and pretty vile, I'd say. And that thread went on and on with people responding like they believed that woman. Listen: never trust people posting from the anonymity of a message board about who they say they know or what they've done or seen; just ask my long time lover, George Clooney.

[Snoopy50]

Does anyone know whether the protesters showed up tonight? I was here when the candle-lady was out front, after that i had to attend to life. Thanks in advance for any info.:seeya:

[luvinlife]

luvinlife was just sharing the info.
I read the thread on WS .. some fruit tart was claiming Jesse was sent to meet her in GA I think it was? by the Anthony's ..to follow up on a lead .. bliddity blah blah... it was ridiculous.

DISCLAIMER: PLEASE do not repeat this info like it holds any water.. it was a goofy poster on another board making up some bullshovic.



Thanks IdolHands I was trying to find this Renea's post because I can't remember what she claims Lee and Cindy told her about Jesse.

[need2no]

Ridiculous and pretty vile, I'd say. And that thread went on and on with people responding like they believed that woman. Listen: never trust people posting from the anonymity of a message board about who they say they know or what they've done or seen; just ask my long time lover, George Clooney.


I'll ask him at dinner tomorrow night. :D

[need2no]

Thanks IdolHands I was trying to find this Renea's post because I can't remember what she claims Lee and Cindy told her about Jesse.


I remember reading all that but it was so convoluted I just can't recall all the details. Wasn't that on a separate thread?

[barskin&co.]

LOL...I remember that one! She reminded me of my former MIL...saw a conspiracy everywhere...

Hey, look at what happened here last night. Someone posted a message that some lunatic placed on Craig's list about a MySpace (called Bebo) type of page of a guy in Ireland with a bunch of friends in Ireland that called themselves the "Fight Club" (as in the movie) like it meant something nefarious about this case???

[ccnsd]

You know, I wondered all along if Casey's immiaturity caused all this but in light of what Cindy has said and done I think it is both now. I am 53 years old, my mother has always and still does play the guilt thing with me. There are days when I feel like I wished she was gone which I know is not right but I have always felt mentally battered by her. I could never do anything right, everybody elses kid has a better job, etc. I have even told her how I feel, we have had or at least I had a screaming fight with her at one point and all I ever get is "I don't know why you say these things, I haven't done anything wrong." Now guys, I may have my days, but I am not crazy. I have had many older friends that treated me like a real daughter and that makes me sad. That being said, if she can do these things to me at 53, can you even imagine what Cindy has done to an immature 22 year old? I also wonder by Cindy's tone in the jail calls that she decided she better be nice to Casey, sort of like Casey has something on her. Truthfulle, I don't think we have even begun to be shocked yet, wait until the trial. Sorry for the rant. And...this is why I smoke.
:biggrin: Ditto I have my days too :beer:

[need2no]

Does anyone know whether the protesters showed up tonight? I was here when the candle-lady was out front, after that i had to attend to life. Thanks in advance for any info.:seeya:


Yes, there were some but it was difficult to make out how many. Did you see the spot light on a tripod thing that was set up where the media hang out? At some point a guy came over and did something to make it so bright and it was pointed right at the camera you could hardly see anything at the Anthony's house. Then at some point it was cut off or down and a reporter was doing a media report, then the cam was frozen. I logged off about an hour of seeing this frozen reporter.

There was an article about the protesters...it may be on LINKS thread.

[luvinlife]

I remember reading all that but it was so convoluted I just can't recall all the details. Wasn't that on a separate thread?



Yes I believe it was at one time all on one thread and her story was put into one or two posts. I think it was in mid August but I am not sure. I am not a member of WS so I cannot search posts by users.

[OneUp]

Hey, look at what happened here last night. Someone posted a message that some lunatic placed on Craig's list about a MySpace (called Bebo) type of page of a guy in Ireland with a bunch of friends in Ireland that called themselves the "Fight Club" (as in the movie) like it meant something nefarious about this case???LOL, that was pretty "entertaining! I have to watch it myself because I have a very vivid imagination....and it is easy to let yourself get sucked in when you are waiting to see some resolution come.
JMO.

[Snoopy50]

Yes, there were some but it was difficult to make out how many. Did you see the spot light on a tripod thing that was set up where the media hang out? At some point a guy came over and did something to make it so bright and it was pointed right at the camera you could hardly see anything at the Anthony's house. Then at some point it was cut off or down and a reporter was doing a media report, then the cam was frozen. I logged off about an hour of seeing this frozen reporter.

There was an article about the protesters...it may be on LINKS thread.

Thank you!! Yes, I saw the giant light, it was blinding. I am glad people were better behaved tonight, I sure wish they would just stay home and leave that poor neighborhood alone.:seeya:

[5boxersmom]

A security guard, hired by the Anthony family, moved Rebecca Allen's protest sign and candles from in front of the Anthony home. Allen remained on the sidewalk, sitting through a shower of water sprinklers.



http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7470160&version=15&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


I am not saying the protesters are right or wrong but what right do they have to move anyone if they are not on the Anthony's property?

jmo

[OneUp]

BBL peeps! I have company here that wants their turn on the computer, so I'm logging off for a snack break!
If anyone has any news about the memorial tonight, please share. I figured it must have been peaceful, otherwise we WOULD have heard news.

[Snoopy50]

BBL peeps! I have company here that wants their turn on the computer, so I'm logging off for a snack break!
If anyone has any news about the memorial tonight, please share. I figured it must have been peaceful, otherwise we WOULD have heard news.
I think I will call it a night too. Good night friends.:seeya:

[barskin&co.]

I think I will call it a night too. Good night friends.:seeya:

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....oh, yeah. I'd better get up from my computer. Nite, all! :seeya:

[EaudeT]

Wow boy did I miss some weird stuff tonight! I wish I had gotten to see geraldos show! He is funny! but just not only when he means to be funny! I can't believe he said those thiings about casey even tho. he is right that was still like WOW!
I hate just getting on here at night because everyone has gone off to bed. I just have a minute anyway so I better read up and get straight on some stuff while I can get the time to do it. I have talked alot about this case with people and it is juat freaking us all out. This girl is just a big mess and totally hearless an I guess her family is just as bad.
Woohoo am I ever glad they aren't my family, at least none of us ever got caught making a fool out of ourself on camera on the news. Its pretty hard to get out of it when they catch you right on the 5 o clock news report!
Did anybody ever find out if the police went to California and what they wanted to do there? I don't get why they would want to go out there unless someone thinks caylee got taken there or something.

[need2no]

Was just about to sign off and head to bed...stopped by to check out the LINKS thread. I didn't know TES was going to make their announcement Monday, have any of you heard this? See DG's link.

Warning: This guy rambles on, and curses a lot.

[EaudeT]

And this also says that "someone" must have seen "A" body in the trunk- IMO-CAYLEE- and removed it and hid it (got rid of it) which is why they continue to say she is missing cuz they KNOW where she is and we are not close to her yet! HOW TRAGIC!!! Poor Little CAYLEE!! They know where- what- who- when- --maybe just not the why! Or maybe they do know the why and are closing ranks to hope we all forget about it and it just goes away. I bet Cindy is kicking herself for calling the cops now. As always just my opinion-thoughts. God Bless Little Caylee!!:rose:Yeah you have a point about that. I was thinking about how her little body was just in that trunk, that is such a sad thing it is really really awful to think about. I just wish someone would just tell where she is they could even just call the police sation from a pay phone or something like that if they were scared they would get found out or something. That poor little baby really just needs to be put in a safe place with flowers and so people can give their respects.
I don't get the way they just all act like they just fogot all about her I never even hear anyof them say her name anymore. I just want to bang on there door myself and say hello! Did you forget about someone thats not here? Someone whose name is Caylee is still missing!:cuss: I guess there are people who are trying to do that and they just get mad and still never answer anyquestions.
I hope everyone here is praying for that baby, She is a real cutie and I wish she had a better mom.

[EaudeT]

Boy oh wow was I ever right! no one really is on here late at night. I guess maybe I will read some more stuff and lookaat other stories here before I leave. Goodnight though everybody even though you probably won't see my message until tomorrow.

:seeya:

[5boxersmom]

Yeah you have a point about that. I was thinking about how her little body was just in that trunk, that is such a sad thing it is really really awful to think about. I just wish someone would just tell where she is they could even just call the police sation from a pay phone or something like that if they were scared they would get found out or something. That poor little baby really just needs to be put in a safe place with flowers and so people can give their respects.
I don't get the way they just all act like they just fogot all about her I never even hear anyof them say her name anymore. I just want to bang on there door myself and say hello! Did you forget about someone thats not here? Someone whose name is Caylee is still missing!:cuss: I guess there are people who are trying to do that and they just get mad and still never answer anyquestions.
I hope everyone here is praying for that baby, She is a real cutie and I wish she had a better mom.

You know what really bothered me? When Baez came out after Casey was released from Jail the first time,I think, and he said they were having a relaxing dinner at home. How could they being doing that when Caylee was missing? HELLO there is someone missing from your dinner table. That told me alot.
So Sad.

Caylee:rose:

[EaudeT]

I see what you are saying about having a relaxing dinner. How can they sleep or eat or anything even if they don't know a thing!
I know someone who had a baby they loved killed and they wouldn't eat unless we made them do it. I think that she wanted to just about die, but finding that baby and her daughter at home was all that kept her going. It was so sad I think all of us that knew her got more sad than these anthonys are getting over their own grand daughter and daughter.

[EaudeT]

I can't believe they had someone bother that girl out froont if she was just sitting there and lighting a candle! that makes me so mad!:flamemad: Who do they think they are? they can't just make people do what they want no matter what they law says!
They keep pushing people around and wrecking their stuff and gettiing upn in ther faces.
I wouldn't want them outside my house either but I sure know better than to act up like that!
I wish the police would make them act nicer. All of them inj the house and out front. If anybody does a crime then they should get charges no matter who they are. People just can't go around breaking laws! This country has laws for a reason and we are all supposed to follow them!

[5boxersmom]

I see what you are saying about having a relaxing dinner. How can they sleep or eat or anything even if they don't know a thing!
I know someone who had a baby they loved killed and they wouldn't eat unless we made them do it. I think that she wanted to just about die, but finding that baby and her daughter at home was all that kept her going. It was so sad I think all of us that knew her got more sad than these anthonys are getting over their own grand daughter and daughter.

:rose:

Many sad stories being posted here tonight.

I will never understand the Anthony's. They are just going on like Caylee didn't exist. jmo

Caylee:rose:

[nutterbutter]

I know what you are saying, the whole thing is really screwed up. When I heard Jesse say that I was definately taken aback and immediately tried to find explanations as to how this could be without it being subversive on Cindy's part, tried to find variants or grammy and nana and grandma that sometimes people use that may sound like mommy or mama and that maybe that is what Jesse heard? IDK, it just keeps getting more and more twisted up. If Cindy deliberately referred to herself as Caylees mommy to upstage Casey then there was a definate power struggle going on. If Cindy slipped and referred to herself as Caylees mommy because Cindy wanted her as her own, then Cindy had/has some serious issues that needed/need to be addressed. All I do know is this is darker than I ever imagined, and whatever was going on, this poor baby was right in the middle.
my daughter and grandchildren lived with me when the kids were little and first started talking.my kids called me "mom" and then the grandchildren would call me mom.they pick up what they hear.If Caylee heard both Lee and Casey call Cindy mom that could be where Caylee picked this up.Then my grandkids would want to do something and I would say ask your mother, they in turn would go say "mother can I blah blah.It was actually cute.moo

[nutterbutter]

No calls to Lee though -- I thought they were very close. I don't know where the records are for the 17th...were they released? I'll keep searching. And I wonder why she called Amy - but it certainly appears that mom and dad were avoiding Casey during this time. It also confirms George saw Caylee around 12:30 on the 16th. I believe Caylee died on the 17th or 18th (IMHO).

From the GVS show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lChC4PjQO-4

Peace,
How does that prove GA saw Caylee and casey on the 16th?Did I miss something?thanks

[5boxersmom]

If you look at most victims of child homicide, you won't find them eating. You will, however, find them running down the street screaming and looking for the child.

The last time I heard such nonsense was when Scott Peterson hosted a Christmas dinner after Laci went missing on the 24th.

Servas said Scott Peterson called her at 8:30 that night to tell her that Laci was missing. When she told him that she had found their dog wandering the neighborhood, Scott handed the phone to a detective, she said.

Afterward, Scott invited her to join him and his parents for Christmas dinner, enticing Servas -- a vegetarian -- with an offer of cheese tortellini, she said

Anyone who can do that has no soul - and I believe the A's rank right up there.

Peace,


No soul at all. :(

jmo

Caylee:rose:

[GrannyB]

Nah - you didn't miss anything -- my bad. I "thought" his police statement said the 16th, but it actually said the 9th. Then I heard it was the 15th. So please ignore my dates -- I obviously spend too much time listening to the media ;)

Best,

I still want to know where George was on father's day.

[TxLady2]

-------------------------
All the grandchildren including me called my grandmother "Big Mama".

One comment I would like to make concerning Cindy's role caring for Casey. Have any of you thought that maybe Cindy had to be mother to Caylee because her daughter was too sorry, self-centered and irresponsible to take proper care of her daughter? Maybe Cindy was considered to be very controlling to Casey because Cindy was trying to force Casey to take care of Caylee. Casey probably tried to get sympathy from all her friends by complaining and being a victim of her mother. I would guess that Casey was not a "good mother" at all. She probably became the doting mother when it got her attention. I know by experience how difficult it is when a daughter becomes pregnant and decides to have the baby but is not interested in feeding, changing and caring for the baby. When that happens, the grandparent will care the the baby.

I think Cindy was a very controlling person, and that is what made Casey into what she is. She didn't want the baby, but Cindy would not allow her to give it up, so by the time Caylee was old enough to talk and had developed her own little personality, the competition was just too much for Casey. It's so sad that Caylee's life was cut short. Cindy will never be the same, and that's sad too in a way. I'm sure that she never dreamed that something like this would happen.

[nc1948]

In printed form the rumor originated at WS. No doubt.

The whisper campaign starts with Cindy.

IMO.

As so much other mis-information has.

[martha]

I am one that would love to know where geroge was on father;s day too. he was never ask where he was that sun or sun night. cindy said she and caylee went swiming sun night. Did casey not come to see her dad on fd? most people would have visited ggp and then maybe came back and had dinner with george or something like that. we always work to visit all the gp;s in our family.jmho:rose:

[joint-heir]

Wow! I thought I had followed this case closely, but Geraldo show last night threw me! Is it a rumor or certainty that Cindy says Jesse must have killed Caylee and put her in Casey's trunk to frame her for it?
Also, I have been on before and thought a lot of posters were way too judgmental on so many things, but, I have read this whole thread and see that a lot of you have lived some hard things and are much deeper than some of the posts seem to show. So, my apologies for making an unfair judgement myself.
I personally think Cindy's saying Mom could have been a blip on Cindy's part, because I have slipped up and do that some with my grandchildren. I also call my grandchildren by my children's name and vice versa some!!
I want to say don't be too rough on Baez's abilities, because I wouldn't want her to wise up and get a good lawyer! LOL
I was wondering if any one knew where Jessie was graduating from last
December? Surely it wasn't high school? Was he that much younger than Casey? Or was it college and he is older? Just wondering...

I wanted to quote this part of One Ups posts because I too feel it so strongly......

"I continue to pray that Cindy will see the light and realize that not only will God forgive her anything, but that if she just steps up for Caylee, we ( the public) can forgive her too...she could probably really use the support of even total strangers right now. The choice to make that available to her is hers alone. I would personally pray with her every day for the rest of my life without hesitation, if she would just see that she must do what is right and be a servant of the truth. Screwed up or not, Caylee loved and depended on her all of her life...she doesn't deserve to be abandoned by Cindy now."

And I would add the same for Casey, altho she will have to pay consequences for what she has done.

This whole situation is so sad, and we all have things in our life we wish we had done better. I pray that we all could lean on the Lord for more improvement day by day..

Thanks for being here to share thoughts with..