9/20 - Evening Thread

[Tiger]

Because she knows the angel is dead.

Yes, mabey you are right but she should know choosing the devil will be He77 the rest of her life.....

[rosejustrose]

:read: IIRC they never "dated".
Jessie's dad was on Geraldo a few weeks back, talking about their engagement/friendship, and said (and I paraphrase) 'Casey was a one night stand. She called a few weeks later and said she was pregnant.'
Apparently Jessie was willing to step up to the plate from day one.
Good guy in my book!


That's not what Jesse said. He said he loved her and thought there was a possibility he was the father. Apparently little Princess Pantsonfire had quite a string of lovers in her very young life. She told Jesse that Caylee's father was a one night stand who wanted nothing to do with Caylee, IIRC>

[WillowInFlight]

I have a feeling the memorial thing didn't work out as expected.

I didn't see any flowers or stuffed animals.

[barskin&co.]

He said she told him about Zanny when they started dating again in November.

IMO

Yep, it's in the documents. She used the name Zanny, and of course, being an important event planner, she had to have a "nanny." I think she found the name "Zenaida....(you know the rest)" in June, and the rest is history.

[rosejustrose]

looks like they are getting ready for the 11:00 now.
guy is in front of the cam again with his mic and papers.


Spot light is gone:D So much better for peeping, IMO.

[impartial]

It shows what a control freak Cindy was, Lord know how she must have made Casey feel at times. I think Cindy knew how bad she screwed up with Casey that she was using Caylee to make up for that, but it was only for her self gratification.


I have not posted anything negative about Cindy or George, because of what they are going through. I still won't post anything negative about George.

But it's fair game and open season for Cindy as far as I'm concerned. You can tell Jesse was hurt for Casey when Cindy would do that.

IMO

[dixielover]

I am totally confused-did Casey let Jesse believe this was his baby throughout her pregnancy. Is that why they became engaged?

[aubrey04]

Oh, I'm quite capable of describing Casey in a way that would singe your teeth, but I expect a person in Geraldo's position to have *some* couth.
I expect it but don't anticipate it.

Ain't that the truth. I sat there for a second thinkin' -- 'he didn't just say what I think he did, did he?'

Too funny. Anyway, Jesse seems like a good guy. My theory on why Casey broke it off with him -- he was too nice for her. She liked the bad boys - the guys who like to party...therefore, she kicked him to the curb.

It turned out to be a good thing for Jesse in the end - at least he's no longer hooked up with this nutjob. It's too bad that the Anthony's are trying to pin this on him - if they truly are, but it wouldn't surprise me for one second.

[Tiger]

Where was Caylee all the way back in NOV that Casey had to lie about?
I'm blown away by Cindy and the "mommy" thing. It sounds like she did that to hurt Casey.. why else?

ITA...also..IMO Cindy is a control freak and that made her feel in control.

[concernedmom]

I think Cindy has some severe mental problems and screwed up Caseys head. So many thing point to alot of abuse in that home.
That doesnt excuse Casey from whatever happened to Caylee but I think it explains Caseys sexual activity which has been there for a long time.

[WillowInFlight]

I agree, I really think if a shrink were to have all 4 Anthony's in a room together and tested them, Cindy would be most mentally ill.

Yep, Lee and Casey only learned what they were taught, and I have a feeling Cindy forgot to teach them social skills.

[?noanswer]

I agree, I really think if a shrink were to have all 4 Anthony's in a room together and tested them, Cindy would be most mentally ill.

One of the first time I saw CA was on a GVS interview. When she said something about fainting for sensationalism, I thought WOW, but then I thought it might be due to stress. Now I'm thinking she is really a whacko and has driven everyone else in the family crazy. JMO

[rosejustrose]

Did they get engaged because she was pregnant?


No, IIRC they got engaged Dec 31 05. That would be when Caylee was four months old. IMO.

[rosejustrose]

I agree with you!!! I feel so sorry for Caylee when she was here....Can you imagine how confusing her little life was:(

Maybe that's why she looked older and wiser than her 2 1/2 years in a lot of the photos that have been posted.:shrug:

[hanlil]

One of the first time I saw CA was on a GVS interview. When she said something about fainting for sensationalism, I thought WOW, but then I thought it might be due to stress. Now I'm thinking she is really a whacko and has driven everyone else in the family crazy. JMO

I remmeber watching that interview also and thinking the same thing. I only gave her a pass because of the trauma she was probably going through at the time.

[WillowInFlight]

Wow...... unreal.
I almost have some compassion for Casey after hearing that tonight, I think her mother made it a habit of belittling and demeaning her, and in front of other people no less.

[dixielover]

From what I remember of the show....yes.

Jessie's dad also said as soon as they were engaged, Casey started pressing for them to get an apartment.

IIRC Jessie's dad said (paraphrase) 'Casey seemed to want to get out of that (Anthony) house ASAP.'

There may be transcripts of his appearance on Geraldo, but I have no idea how to find it.

Our Link Queen is off somewhere ...;)

Thanks- I got off track there-this story has more twist and turns. I really think this guy was too nice for Casey. Boy did he dodge a bullet!!
imo

[lonetraveler]

I'm surprised Jesse, a former police officer, actually thinks Caylee might be alive.

I wonder if those accusations that Cindy supposedly made might just be rumors that Jesse was hearing or did she actually accuse him?


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I think that Jesse is still "blind with love" for Casey. I really wish that Geraldo had asked him why he resigned from the police force.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Crackdown on protesters at Anthony home

In what has to be one of the more interesting moments outside of the Anthony's east Orlando home, someone showed up not to protest or sightsee, but to register people to vote.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=7470160

[rosejustrose]

Where was Caylee all the way back in NOV that Casey had to lie about?
I'm blown away by Cindy and the "mommy" thing. It sounds like she did that to hurt Casey.. why else?

I agree. I, too, think the mommy thing was to hurt Casey. In some perverted way I think Cindy wanted to make Casey seem like a failure. It comes across in some of the jailhouse conversations when she speaks to her in a patronizing, often condescending, tone of voice. I think by Nov 07 Casey was well into her partying mode and realizing motherhood was more than she could bear. IMO, that's about the time she probably started dosing Caylee with Zanny the Nanny so she could party in peace. JMO.

[OneUp]

You know what I find so odd is that Cindy really did seem to love Caylee but she would sacrifice Caylee for Casey? We all know that Casey has done so much caos to the family and Caylee did nothing to harm the family......why choose the devil over the angel?Guilt.
That's the simple answer.
Guilt that she "loved" Caylee and left Casey out...
Guilt that she made Casey mad enough to run off...
Guilt that she did such a crappy job raising Casey ( she would feel she let Casey down when Casey turned out poorly...internalize the failure rather than put the blame for Casey's actions on Casey)
Guilt that she didn't teach Casey how to be a good parent

Thrown in with that the shame of the whole world seeing her wreck of a daughter for what she is, and Cindy's obsession with keeping up appearances. Plus she knows there is nothing she can do to "fix" Caylee...in her mind she still stands a chance to rehabilitate Casey.

Just know too that Casey can play her like a harp, and right now Casey tells Cindy everything she wants to hear...how sorry she is...how she will never do anything bad again...probably how she has "found God"...how it was all an accident...and a goodly measureof passive aggressive mentions of how Cindy didn't teach her, made her so angry, hurt her, tried to take Caylee away....all the things Cindy is already saying to herself.
JMO.

[rosejustrose]

I agree, I really think if a shrink were to have all 4 Anthony's in a room together and tested them, Cindy would be most mentally ill.


I think the shrink would blow his own head off:rolleyes:

[concernedmom]

I almost have some compassion for Casey after hearing that tonight, I think her mother made it a habit of belittling and demeaning her, and in front of other people no less.

I hate to admit it but so do I.
If Caylee were given away and alive I think Id vote Casey mother of the year for getting her out of that house.

[impartial]

I almost have some compassion for Casey after hearing that tonight, I think her mother made it a habit of belittling and demeaning her, and in front of other people no less.


And in that manner, what a degrading thing to do. Besides being just so creepy.

IMO

[st777jo]

From what I remember of the show....yes.

Jessie's dad also said as soon as they were engaged, Casey started pressing for them to get an apartment.

IIRC Jessie's dad said (paraphrase) 'Casey seemed to want to get out of that (Anthony) house ASAP.'

There may be transcripts of his appearance on Geraldo, but I have no idea how to find it.

Our Link Queen is off somewhere ...;)


Maybe she wanted to get out of that house ASAP because if I remember the A's didn't know she was preggers until June or so???

[WillowInFlight]

Guilt.
That's the simple answer.
Guilt that she "loved" Caylee and left Casey out...
Guilt that she made Casey mad enough to run off...
Guilt that she did such a crappy job raising Casey ( she would feel she let Casey down when Casey turned out poorly...internalize the failure rather than put the blame for Casey's actions on Casey)
Guilt that she didn't teach Casey how to be a good parent

Thrown in with that the shame of the whole world seeing her wreck of a daughter for what she is, and Cindy's obsession with keeping up appearances. Plus she knows there is nothing she can do to "fix" Caylee...in her mind she still stands a chance to rehabilitate Casey.

Just know too that Casey can play her like a harp, and right now Casey tells Cindy everything she wants to hear...how sorry she is...how she will never do anything bad again...probably how she has "found God"...how it was all an accident...and a goodly measureof passive aggressive mentions of how Cindy didn't teach her, made her so angry, hurt her, tried to take Caylee away....all the things Cindy is already saying to herself.
JMO.

I agree with everything you said, great post!

[hamebone]

That must have been humiliating. It really goes to the theory that there was an awful tug-of-war going on with Caylee being the rope.

and confusing for Caylee..

[barskin&co.]

ITA...also..IMO Cindy is a control freak and that made her feel in control.
Yeah, well Casey has taken back control, hasn't she?

[impartial]

So who here still believes Cindy & George don't believe Caylee is dead?



I don't know ... all I know is that I now despise Cindy.

IMO

[OneUp]

It shows what a control freak Cindy was, Lord know how she must have made Casey feel at times. I think Cindy knew how bad she screwed up with Casey that she was using Caylee to make up for that, but it was only for her self gratification.ITA. I never thought for one minute that Cindy was unawarre of what Casey is. She knows, and she has known AT LEAST since Caylee was born that Casey is seriously screwed up. Why do you think they continued to support Casey and put up with her carp? Because they didn't want Casey's freaky self taking off with little Caylee...Cindy has always known she wasn't fit to be a mother.
Worse, she knows exactly why IMO.
I've seen similar families so many times...in some ways, this was/is my family of origin. My own Mom is very guilt driven, controlling, and hyper-aware of how we look to "others"...just like Cindy. It's a miracle that two of the three of us turned out well enough to exist in normal society...a true miracle.
JMO.
Time to cut this rant off!

[WillowInFlight]

That must have been humiliating. It really goes to the theory that there was an awful tug-of-war going on with Caylee being the rope.

I really wonder how many times Cindy threatened to take custody away from Casey.

[concernedmom]

I really wonder how many times Cindy threatened to take custody away from Casey.

Every time Cindy got mad which I bet is quite often.

[st777jo]

I really wonder how many times Cindy threatened to take custody away from Casey.


Anything like my mom, at least once a week.

[rosejustrose]

Yeah, well Casey has taken back control, hasn't she?


She certainly has and in the most horrific of ways. IMO, that family is terribly dysfunctional and apparently those who know them figured it out. Jesse said something about them not being solid and having factions within the family. Poor little Caylee was most likely used as a pull toy between Cindy and Casey. That Cindy referred to herself as Caylee's mommy, well, that just about did me in. JMO

[barskin&co.]

Guilt.
That's the simple answer.
Guilt that she "loved" Caylee and left Casey out...
Guilt that she made Casey mad enough to run off...
Guilt that she did such a crappy job raising Casey ( she would feel she let Casey down when Casey turned out poorly...internalize the failure rather than put the blame for Casey's actions on Casey)
Guilt that she didn't teach Casey how to be a good parent

Thrown in with that the shame of the whole world seeing her wreck of a daughter for what she is, and Cindy's obsession with keeping up appearances. Plus she knows there is nothing she can do to "fix" Caylee...in her mind she still stands a chance to rehabilitate Casey.

Just know too that Casey can play her like a harp, and right now Casey tells Cindy everything she wants to hear...how sorry she is...how she will never do anything bad again...probably how she has "found God"...how it was all an accident...and a goodly measureof passive aggressive mentions of how Cindy didn't teach her, made her so angry, hurt her, tried to take Caylee away....all the things Cindy is already saying to herself.
JMO.

How well put, One! Remember early on, after George and/or Cindy was leaving the jail from a visit, one of them said, "we are more together as a family than ever, now."

[spiritwolf46]

You know what I find so odd is that Cindy really did seem to love Caylee but she would sacrifice Caylee for Casey? We all know that Casey has done so much caos to the family and Caylee did nothing to harm the family......why choose the devil over the angel?


Sorry it took me so long to respond, had a couple of things to do.

I think that the questions you raise are SO important here. WHY is the major question. WE, as normal people can actually ask that question and be so dumb-founded on it, but THEY, being no where NEAR normal, see it as all normal.

JEEEEESH! Does that make any sense at all?

[OneUp]

I agree, I really think if a shrink were to have all 4 Anthony's in a room together and tested them, Cindy would be most mentally ill.Cindy is what is thought of as the "axis"...the eye of the storm if you will.
All the Chaos in the family swirled around with her frantically trying to control and make things look nice...which just made the behavior of all the others worse.
JMO.

[rosejustrose]

I don't know ... all I know is that I now despise Cindy.

IMO


Hear, hear:beer:


Sad to cheer about despising someone, isn't it.:confused:

[desmom]

I really wonder how many times Cindy threatened to take custody away from Casey.

I think it would be easier to pick the Power Ball numbers.

jmo

[rosejustrose]

I really wonder how many times Cindy threatened to take custody away from Casey.

Probably once a day, everyday since Caylee was born:mad: JMO.

[OneUp]

Yep, Lee and Casey only learned what they were taught, and I have a feeling Cindy forgot to teach them social skills.
I was thinking of the lying and covering up...it seems second nature to all of them. The phrase "learned it at my mothers knee" comes to mind...
JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

So who here still believes Cindy & George don't believe Caylee is dead?

Well between Cindy trying to frame Jesse and George saying the body in the trunk wasn't his granddaughters.....What more can I say?

[impartial]

ITA. I never thought for one minute that Cindy was unawarre of what Casey is. She knows, and she has known AT LEAST since Caylee was born that Casey is seriously screwed up. Why do you think they continued to support Casey and put up with her carp? Because they didn't want Casey's freaky self taking off with little Caylee...Cindy has always known she wasn't fit to be a mother.
Worse, she knows exactly why IMO.
I've seen similar families so many times...in some ways, this was/is my family of origin. My own Mom is very guilt driven, controlling, and hyper-aware of how we look to "others"...just like Cindy. It's a miracle that two of the three of us turned out well enough to exist in normal society...a true miracle.
JMO.
Time to cut this rant off!


I'm sorry Oneup ... all of Casey's friends have said that Casey was wonderful with Caylee ...

I think it is Cindy that is a horrible mother. How pompous of her to call herself mommy in front of Casey and her fiance. You could tell Jesse was disgusted as well.

I don't know what happened to Caylee ... but you can only push people so far before they break. If Cindy was willing to humiliate her daughter in front of others, I can't imagine what went on behind closed doors. No wonder Casey felt like she couldn't live up to her mother's standards.

IMO

[OneUp]

If she knew it was a result of the one night stand... why did she let him go through with the test?.. Nevermind.LOL...never say again that no one ever agrees with you! I am on EXACTLY the same page as you in that thought!

[dixielover]

I don't see this any different than a custody battle in divorce. Just about every day you read about a man or woman that kills their children so the other one won't get custody. - same thing imo

[spiritwolf46]

They don't want to believe she is dead, and without concrete proof, why should they?

OH MY DEAR GAWD! What WISE words! Thank you SO much! :seeya:

[concernedmom]

I'm sorry Oneup ... all of Casey's friends have said that Casey was wonderful with Caylee ...

I think it is Cindy that is a horrible mother. How pompous of her to call herself mommy in front of Casey and her fiance. You could tell Jesse was disgusted as well.

I don't know what happened to Caylee ... but you can only push people so far before they break. If Cindy was willing to humiliate her daughter in front of others, I can't imagine what went on behind closed doors. No wonder Casey felt like she couldn't live up to her mother's standards.

IMO

Well I almost believe Casey when she said she was scared to tell her mom.

[impartial]

I really wonder how many times Cindy threatened to take custody away from Casey.


Breakfast, lunch and dinner, daily.

IMO

[barskin&co.]

I'm sorry Oneup ... all of Casey's friends have said that Casey was wonderful with Caylee ...

I think it is Cindy that is a horrible mother. How pompous of her to call herself mommy in front of Casey and her fiance. You could tell Jesse was disgusted as well.

I don't know what happened to Caylee ... but you can only push people so far before they break. If Cindy was willing to humiliate her daughter in front of others, I can't imagine what went on behind closed doors. No wonder Casey felt like she couldn't live up to her mother's standards.

IMO

Impartial, her friends only had a limited view as to how Casey was with Caylee. Remember how she acted while Caylee was "kidnapped."

[rosejustrose]

I'm sorry Oneup ... all of Casey's friends have said that Casey was wonderful with Caylee ...

I think it is Cindy that is a horrible mother. How pompous of her to call herself mommy in front of Casey and her fiance. You could tell Jesse was disgusted as well.

I don't know what happened to Caylee ... but you can only push people so far before they break. If Cindy was willing to humiliate her daughter in front of others, I can't imagine what went on behind closed doors. No wonder Casey felt like she couldn't live up to her mother's standards.
IMO


Casey feeling that way came across loud and clear during her second interview with LE, IMO.

[johnielee333]

I think Cindy has some severe mental problems and screwed up Caseys head. So many thing point to alot of abuse in that home.
That doesnt excuse Casey from whatever happened to Caylee but I think it explains Caseys sexual activity which has been there for a long time.

yes i agree.

[5boxersmom]

Did Jesse have anything new to say?


TIA


Caylee:rose:

[WillowInFlight]

She certainly has and in the most horrific of ways. IMO, that family is terribly dysfunctional and apparently those who know them figured it out. Jesse said something about them not being solid and having factions within the family. Poor little Caylee was most likely used as a pull toy between Cindy and Casey. That Cindy referred to herself as Caylee's mommy, well, that just about did me in. JMO

Cindy disallowed herself one of the greatest joys in the world, being a grandmother.

[spiritwolf46]

You're welcome. I'm here to help.
:seeya:

As MOST of us know, you ARE!

[concernedmom]

I am doing alot of rethinking since hearing this stuff tonight. No one has ever said casey was a bad mother. Maybe she really tried to be but cindy constantly judged her and Casey could never do anything better than Cindy in Cindys mind.
Wow. Alot to think on.:confused:

[OneUp]

But since you are not in with the in crowd, you are just speculating, right? The same thing we all do. No facts. The one fact we have is Jesse Grund is off the table. One down. How many to go.
:confused:Of course I am just speculating and theorizing Zold. So far every speculation I haevmde since the first week is either up in the air...or coming out to be truth...but I don't KNOW a darned thing.
I suppose I have the educational background and life experiences to give me a slight edge...but I certainly know only what everyone else does.
That is why my post ended with JMO...Just My Opinion.
Sorry If I didn't make that clear.

[rosejustrose]

I feel kind of sick that I feel a little bit sorry for Casey now. But I do. Vurp.

LOL. I don't feel sorry for Casey but I think I understand her a little bit better. But, understanding her doesn't excuse what she did to Caylee and why she waited a month to report her missing. If this was a battle of wills between Casey and Cindy, well, I hate to tell you, Caylee lost. JMO.

[barskin&co.]

I feel kind of sick that I feel a little bit sorry for Casey now. But I do. Vurp.

Now, let's get back down to Earth.

Casey took the bank routing numbers to embezzle thousands from her GGF's assisted living funds.

Casey cleaned out Amy's bank account.

And..oh yes

Casey killed (IMO) or negligently caused the death of Caylee, carried her dead body in the trunk of her car, and partied on!

Still feel sorry for her?

[impartial]

Casey feeling that way came across loud and clear during her second interview with LE, IMO.



That was what I took away from it as well when I read it, and again, when I listened to it.

I wondered if she was truly pathological in the clinical sense, or pathological because she felt like a failure and could do no right in her mother's eyes ... after hearing Jesse tonight, my opinion is she was made to believe she was a failure.

IMO

[spiritwolf46]

Not much.

Cindy & George know Caylee is dead.

And they know Casey murdered her.

IMO.


I totally agree! I think that Lee knows as well.

[rosejustrose]

First time I ever heard that. Who said it?

Cindy was floating that around. Jesse said it on Geraldo tonight. His father said the same thing in a previous interview except I don't think he mentioned Cindy doing it. JMO.

[hanlil]

So Cindy is floating the rumor around that Jesse killed Caylee & put her body in Casey's trunk to frame Casey on a 'just in case' kind of deal?

Fret not.

Law enforcement has a squeaky clean case against Casey. ;)

Guaranteed.

I do believe I might have to rethink my opinion of George.

Maybe.

Just a thought but I wonder if it is really Casey who is putting things in Cindy's head and maybe she is really the source of that rumor??

[OneUp]

She certainly has and in the most horrific of ways. IMO, that family is terribly dysfunctional and apparently those who know them figured it out. Jesse said something about them not being solid and having factions within the family. Poor little Caylee was most likely used as a pull toy between Cindy and Casey. That Cindy referred to herself as Caylee's mommy, well, that just about did me in. JMO
rose, you and anyone who is of a mind to as well, should go and read the newset entry on Rev. Grunds blog....read them all infact if you have not. The Grunds definitely knew that Casey had some issues...that the Anthony household was out of balance...

Here is his blog...

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=432783107
and JMO on the rest.

[st777jo]

Impartial, her friends only had a limited view as to how Casey was with Caylee. Remember how she acted while Caylee was "kidnapped."

Thats right. People do act differently in front of others.

But I will say this. If Cindy did act like that around Casey, I personally understand where she comes from. But there are other choices out there and IMO, Casey made the wrong one.

[barskin&co.]

Just a thought but I wonder if it is really Casey who is putting things in Cindy's head and maybe she is really the source of that rumor??

Not a bad little theory, hanlil!

[WillowInFlight]

That was what I took away from it as well when I read it, and again, when I listened to it.

I wondered if she was truly pathological in the clinical sense, or pathological because she felt like a failure and could do no right in her mother's eyes ... after hearing Jesse tonight, my opinion is she was made to believe she was a failure.

IMO

By the one person who she probably looked up to at one time.

[spiritwolf46]

Just a thought but I wonder if it is really Casey who is putting things in Cindy's head and maybe she is really the source of that rumor??


You got my attention on that one! Good thought!

[rosejustrose]

That was what I took away from it as well when I read it, and again, when I listened to it.

I wondered if she was truly pathological in the clinical sense, or pathological because she felt like a failure and could do no right in her mother's eyes ... after hearing Jesse tonight, my opinion is she was made to believe she was a failure.
IMO


And acted accordingly, IMO.

[hamebone]

I still think Casey is a Pshyco.

Just like Scott Petterson, poor Laci never dreamed he would harm her, let alone take her life.

Same can be said for many other cases, like Lori Hackings etc..I dont think Cindy had a clue that Casey would ever hurt Caylee.

[why-me]

I'm sorry Oneup ... all of Casey's friends have said that Casey was wonderful with Caylee ...

I think it is Cindy that is a horrible mother. How pompous of her to call herself mommy in front of Casey and her fiance. You could tell Jesse was disgusted as well.

I don't know what happened to Caylee ... but you can only push people so far before they break. If Cindy was willing to humiliate her daughter in front of others, I can't imagine what went on behind closed doors. No wonder Casey felt like she couldn't live up to her mother's standards.

IMO

You know, I wondered all along if Casey's immiaturity caused all this but in light of what Cindy has said and done I think it is both now. I am 53 years old, my mother has always and still does play the guilt thing with me. There are days when I feel like I wished she was gone which I know is not right but I have always felt mentally battered by her. I could never do anything right, everybody elses kid has a better job, etc. I have even told her how I feel, we have had or at least I had a screaming fight with her at one point and all I ever get is "I don't know why you say these things, I haven't done anything wrong." Now guys, I may have my days, but I am not crazy. I have had many older friends that treated me like a real daughter and that makes me sad. That being said, if she can do these things to me at 53, can you even imagine what Cindy has done to an immature 22 year old? I also wonder by Cindy's tone in the jail calls that she decided she better be nice to Casey, sort of like Casey has something on her. Truthfulle, I don't think we have even begun to be shocked yet, wait until the trial. Sorry for the rant. And...this is why I smoke.

[hanlil]

Not a bad little theory, hanlil!

Casey seems to be the master of creating outlandish lies and cover stories so I wouldn't put it past her to pin it on an ex-boyfriend.

[OneUp]

Then why did they say Jesse killed her and put her in the trunk to frame Casey?That does tend to put the lie that the A.'s believe Caylee is still alive...
It's pretty hard to say SODDI ( some other dude did it) if there is no "it"
JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

I totally agree! I think that Lee knows as well.

I ABSOLUTELY think Lees knows.

[rosejustrose]

rose, you and anyone who is of a mind to as well, should go and read the newset entry on Rev. Grunds blog....read them all infact if you have not. The Grunds definitely knew that Casey had some issues...that the Anthony household was out of balance...

Here is his blog...

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=432783107
and JMO on the rest.

Thanks so much for the link. For the few short minutes Jesse was interviewed on Geraldo tonight, he certainly had a big impact, IMO.

[Leanne Weich]

They don't want to believe she is dead, and without concrete proof, why should they?

Yet, if Jessie Grund is to be believed, they are trying to say he killed Caylee and planted her body in Casey's trunk, to frame her. That, imo, is a good indication that they believe Caylee is dead.

[hamebone]

That was what I took away from it as well when I read it, and again, when I listened to it.

I wondered if she was truly pathological in the clinical sense, or pathological because she felt like a failure and could do no right in her mother's eyes ... after hearing Jesse tonight, my opinion is she was made to believe she was a failure.

IMO


When she called home from jail, she didnt sound downtrodden to me...IMO

[msgatorslayer]

Yeah, it's terrible that Cindy was referring to herself as Caylee's "Mom' in front of Casey.

But after thinking about it. I don't feel one bit sorry for Casey. She is a grown woman who could make choices for herself. If she didn't like living with crazy Momma, she could have gotten a job, started fending for herself, and moved out. She's not 16 yo and surely wasn't stuck at the Anthony compound. She choose to be there.

JMO

[desmom]

Just a thought but I wonder if it is really Casey who is putting things in Cindy's head and maybe she is really the source of that rumor??

Very possible imo!

[concernedmom]

Well if it wasnt for the trunk I would think Casey gave Caylee away.

Would explain her behavior since Caylee went missing.

Still stuck on the trunk tho and still believe a fight on the 15th, Casey left mad and hurt Caylee. Do not at all believe George saw them on the 16th.

[msjoni]

I feel so sorry for jessie. sounds like cindy is going to throw him under the bus to save casey.jmho:rose: casey does not care or love anyone but her self.jmh

It seems Cindy doesn't care for any one else either...How dare she blame Jesse, I remember Casey's one lawyer saying Jesse had psych problems...doesn't seem that way to me....He seems like a stand up guy..

[Cury-us Coyote]

I am doing alot of rethinking since hearing this stuff tonight. No one has ever said casey was a bad mother. Maybe she really tried to be but cindy constantly judged her and Casey could never do anything better than Cindy in Cindys mind.
Wow. Alot to think on.:confused:

Page 298 of 400+ docs, MK said Casey lacked attention and care towards Caylee.
jmo

[barskin&co.]

Yeah, it's terrible that Cindy was referring to herself as Caylee's "Mom' in front of Casey.

But after thinking about it. I don't feel one bit sorry for Casey. She is a grown woman who could make choices for herself. If she didn't like living with crazy Momma, she could have gotten a job, started fending for herself, and moved out. She's not 16 yo and surely wasn't stuck at the Anthony compound. She choose to be there.

JMO

Very true!

[WillowInFlight]

Yeah, I do. She was born an innocent just like Caylee and through no fault of her own she was twisted into a monster. I don't think people *set out* to be so damaged. I don't absolve her of her responsibility with what she's done, but I understand more how she got that way. Like I said before, I'd rather have a terminal physical illness than that have that kind of brain damage (for lack of a better term).

I totally agree with that.

[WillowInFlight]

If that were the case, Casey would be admitting that Caylee is dead.

Also, if that were the case, the whole Anthony family has known that Caylee is dead.

I would think instead of telling everyone she left Caylee with Zanny, she would be telling them all she left her with Jesse.

[rosejustrose]

When she called home from jail, she didnt sound downtrodden to me...IMO


I agree. She sounded angry and terribly disappointed that her family didn't know what her "involvement" was. I think she felt terribly betrayed that her mother was talking to the national media. JMO.

[FoxySly]

Hi everyone! I had to get away from this board for a while, but I'm back now. I just watched Nancy Grace, a re-run. A question was phoned in about the backpacks that were found and Nancy replied to the effect that the pink backpack did not have anything to do with Caylee because George had stated that the backpack Caylee had the purported last time he saw her, had monkeys on it. Well, a thought crossed my mind: why is the LE and everyone involved dismissing the backpack just because George said that Caylee's had monkeys on it? There are quite a few folks on this message board including me, I might add, who believe that George is lying to coverup for Casey. Why should we believe him about the backpack with monkeys? I do hope that his words are not being taken at face value, but that the backpack was investigated and tested for any evidence of Caylee.


IMO LE believe very, very little of what the anthony's say.
In their own words time after time they betray themselves.

A sadder more pathetic family/case I can't remember.

Sly

[msjoni]

I agree, I really think if a shrink were to have all 4 Anthony's in a room together and tested them, Cindy would be most mentally ill.

I agree....

[why-me]

I remember when Greta was in their backyard she so weirdly pointed out to an area that "they were not done landscaping". As if that was really important, letting us know how nice she can take care of her yard. If my grandaughter was missing, I could have cared less what Greta's viewers thought of my landscaping talent.

Yes! I have been meaning to bring that up although I don't remember if it was with Greta. When they went around to where the one shed was Cindy said something like oh we still have some work to do back here like don't look at it yet

[concernedmom]

Yeah, I do. She was born an innocent just like Caylee and through no fault of her own she was twisted into a monster. I don't think people *set out* to be so damaged. I don't absolve her of her responsibility with what she's done, but I understand more how she got that way. Like I said before, I'd rather have a terminal physical illness than that have that kind of brain damage (for lack of a better term).


Good post.

[spiritwolf46]

Nighters all! Better go to bed before I go to the banned section. So much to ponder and so much to try to sift through.

This family is nothing but disgruntled, dishonest, liars, theives, nasty, and one of them is a murderer (IMO!!!!) and I feel the others know about it.

I have news for them all. They can TRY to cover it up, but it will never go away. This little girl deserves a he77 of a lot more than she ever got! I PRAY that this whole thing will come back and bite them all in the arse! I do believe that it will do just that.

:rose:For Caylee. We love you!

[rosejustrose]

It's not an act.

I know it's not an act. IMO she's a very disturbed young woman who needs to start growing up and fast. The first big step she'll take in that direction is telling the truth about what happened to Caylee and taking ownership of her action. JMO.

[5boxersmom]

I would think instead of telling everyone she left Caylee with Zanny, she would be telling them all she left her with Jesse.

Didn't Casey tell the guy at jail that Caylee was with her ex boyfriend?

Maybe they were trying to float this out there. :eek:

jmo


Caylee:rose:

[need2no]

He is tired of seeing Jesse get dragged through the mud. Has heard they are trying to blame this on Jesse. Jesse had nothing to do with this.

Short one date thing. Casey tells Jesse she is pregnant, Jesse steps up to the plate. Jesse suggested adoption since they were so young, Casey said this wasn't an option. When Caylee was born Jesse had DNA paternity test...O% possibilty he was the father. He said Casey loved being a mom, loved having Caylee in her life.

When Casey sat at the dinner table with Mr. Grund waiting on Jesse to get home from work she would tell him how her mother controlled her, she couldn't make her own decisions, she wanted to get out. Wanted to have her own family. Casey asked Jesse to get an apartment or house with her even before they got married.

Craig Rivera asked about phone call on the 16th when Casey also called Cindy 6 times. Mr. Grund said Casey complained about TonE and her living arrangements, said mom wasn't going to give her the house, it was not a panic phone call.

Jesse still believes he heard Caylee in the background (during phone call), but since he can't be 100% sure he wouldn't testify to this.

Without a body or DNA he will never believe Caylee is gone. :(


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFrbpaRP6r8

(middle to end of tape)

[WillowInFlight]

Yes! I have been meaning to bring that up although I don't remember if it was with Greta. When they went around to where the one shed was Cindy said something like oh we still have some work to do back here like don't look at it yet

I remember it with Greta.

[charm7]

Nighters all! Better go to bed before I go to the banned section. So much to ponder and so much to try to sift through.

This family is nothing but disgruntled, dishonest, liars, theives, nasty, and one of them is a murderer (IMO!!!!) and I feel the others know about it.

I have news for them all. They can TRY to cover it up, but it will never go away. This little girl deserves a he77 of a lot more than she ever got! I PRAY that this whole thing will come back and bite them all in the arse! I do believe that it will do just that.

:rose:For Caylee. We love you!

g'nite g/f :rose:

[rosejustrose]

Nighters all! Better go to bed before I go to the banned section. So much to ponder and so much to try to sift through.

This family is nothing but disgruntled, dishonest, liars, theives, nasty, and one of them is a murderer (IMO!!!!) and I feel the others know about it.

I have news for them all. They can TRY to cover it up, but it will never go away. This little girl deserves a he77 of a lot more than she ever got! I PRAY that this whole thing will come back and bite them all in the arse! I do believe that it will do just that.

:rose:For Caylee. We love you!

Good night Spirit:seeya:

[summer4meplz]

I think we all agree that cindy loved caylee but it was in a very selfish warped way, imo.....a healthy love would be one in which the child's needs and welfare are put first.....no one in that family cared about caylee's emotional development....just by that one sentence that cindy referred to herself as mommy...that's sick sick sick in my mind...

[hanlil]

I would think instead of telling everyone she left Caylee with Zanny, she would be telling them all she left her with Jesse.

I think Casey thought she'd get away with the Zenaida story and she had no idea this case would blow up in the media and be scrutinized like it has. With all the evidence out there now that disproves her story she needs to come up with a new story. That's why she has to start a rumor that she was framed by Jesse or someone else.

[WillowInFlight]

Well, funny, my mom sounds just like yours and I smoke too.

We must all have the same mom, and i smoke too, only difference is I haven't spoken to mine in about 3 years.

[Rayosunshine]

I almost have some compassion for Casey after hearing that tonight, I think her mother made it a habit of belittling and demeaning her, and in front of other people no less.

Agreed. Long ago I posted my thoughts that Casey craved acceptance, wanted to be a part of anything or anyone who would let her. I've felt that she went through life feeling she was never good enough. Sad.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[aubrey04]

Crackdown on protesters at Anthony home

In what has to be one of the more interesting moments outside of the Anthony's east Orlando home, someone showed up not to protest or sightsee, but to register people to vote.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=7470160

SOMEONE SHOWED UP OUTSIDE THE ANTHONY HOUSE TO REGISTER PEOPLE TO VOTE. Is this article flippin' serious? This is a circus - it's absolutely insane.

Why in the world would someone show up with voter registration forms trying to get people to sign up to vote? Wow... and I thought I had heard of everything.

[why-me]

Well, funny, my mom sounds just like yours and I smoke too.

Oh yeah. Mine now lives with me, can you beat that one??? LOL LOL :biggrin:

[rosejustrose]

We must all have the same mom, and i smoke too, only difference is I haven't spoken to mine in about 3 years.


Well I smoke but I have the greatest mom on earth. I love her to pieces and wouldn't trade her for all the money in the world. I consider myself blessed and very, very lucky. Thanks, mom:rose:

[WillowInFlight]

Didn't Casey tell the guy at jail that Caylee was with her ex boyfriend?

Maybe they were trying to float this out there. :eek:

jmo


Caylee:rose:

I heard that but I thought they said the person she told wasn't credible, I don't know this case has more twists than Chubby Checkers.

[rosejustrose]

SOMEONE SHOWED UP OUTSIDE THE ANTHONY HOUSE TO REGISTER PEOPLE TO VOTE. Is this article flippin' serious? This is a circus - it's absolutely insane.

Why in the world would someone show up with voter registration forms trying to get people to sign up to vote? Wow... and I thought I had heard of everything.

It is Florida and they have been known to have some voting issues, IMO.:D

[OneUp]

How is she supposed to feel when her daughter tells her the baby has been missing for A MONTH and doesn't want to talk about it. If not for Cindy, the knowledge she was missing may not be told to this day. If that is the case, how many other Casey/Caylee's are out there? By the time Cindy realized the baby was nowhere, she came unglued, unhinged, zoomed out and whatever else you can believe. What would you do? The light dawned after being lied to day after day since June 15th.Caylees death doesn't alleviate either of these women of the burden of responsibily and guilt....they may chose to avoid both, but this mess lays squarely at their feet. Cindy is NOT responsible for what Casey finally did, but she is at least partly responsible for creating the Casey who did it.
IMO, they each played a role be it direct or indirect. No matter what actually happened, they are BOTH contributors with the selfishness of their own ways and the lack of real regard for what was best for this precious child.
Everyone was thinking of what they wanted...what they needed...just like they all continue to do now IMO. I don't see that anyone ever followed through with putting Caylee first. I think Cindy did begin to try to find what would be best for Caylee by seeking out a therapist for advice...unfortunately, it was too little too late.
Now, on top of the tragedy of the death of this sweet child, they must both forever live with the ultimate consequences of what they have chosen to do since. I wouldn't wish that guilt and horror on a single soul.

I continue to pray that Cindy will see the light and realize that not only will God forgive her anything, but that if she just steps up for Caylee, we ( the public) can forgive her too...she could probably really use the support of even total strangers right now. The choice to make that available to her is hers alone. I would personally pray with her every day for the rest of my life without hesitation, if she would just see that she must do what is right and be a servant of the truth. Screwed up or not, Caylee loved and depended on her all of her life...she doesn't deserve to be abandoned by Cindy now.
Somebody has to step up and walk the streets until Caylee is brought home. If not a childs mother, then maybe her Grandmother can show that love for her.
JMO.

[why-me]

We must all have the same mom, and i smoke too, only difference is I haven't spoken to mine in about 3 years.

Well all I can say is you are one lucky girl.:D

[Leanne Weich]

I wonder how much Geraldo paid Jesse for the interview?

I don't believe Fox pays for interviews. I may be wrong but I've heard that many many times by various talking heads.

[Rayosunshine]

She certainly has and in the most horrific of ways. IMO, that family is terribly dysfunctional and apparently those who know them figured it out. Jesse said something about them not being solid and having factions within the family. Poor little Caylee was most likely used as a pull toy between Cindy and Casey. That Cindy referred to herself as Caylee's mommy, well, that just about did me in. JMO


Like mother, like daughter.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[why-me]

Well I smoke but I have the greatest mom on earth. I love her to pieces and wouldn't trade her for all the money in the world. I consider myself blessed and very, very lucky. Thanks, mom:rose:

And do you need a new sister?

[concernedmom]

Sadly, Casey blew the one person out of all the guys that she was running to that really did care about her and her daughter.

[barskin&co.]

Didn't Casey tell the guy at jail that Caylee was with her ex boyfriend?

Maybe they were trying to float this out there. :eek:

jmo


Caylee:rose:

Yeah, he said, but, he wasn't near enough to Casey to talk to her.

[rosejustrose]

Caylees death doesn't alleviate either of these women of the burden of responsibily and guilt....they may chose to avoid both, but this mess lays squarely at their feet. Cindy is NOT responsible for what Casey finally did, but she is at least partly responsible for creating the Casey who did it.
IMO, they each played a role be it direct or indirect. No matter what actually happened, they are BOTH contributors with the selfishness of their own ways and the lack of real regard for what was best for this precious child.
Everyone was thinking of what they wanted...what they needed...just like they all continue to do now IMO. I don't see that anyone ever followed through with putting Caylee first. I think Cindy did begin to try to find what would be best for Caylee by seeking out a therapist for advice...unfortunately, it was too little too late.
Now, on top of the tragedy of the death of this sweet child, they must both forever live with the ultimate consequences of what they have chosen to do since. I wouldn't wish that guilt and horror on a single soul.

I continue to pray that Cindy will see the light and realize that not only will God forgive her anything, but that if she just steps up for Caylee, we ( the public) can forgive her too...she could probably really use the support of even total strangers right now. The choice to make that available to her is hers alone. I would personally pray with her every day for the rest of my life without hesitation, if she would just see that she must do what is right and be a servant of the truth. Screwed up or not, Caylee loved and depended on her all of her life...she doesn't deserve to be abandoned by Cindy now.
Somebody has to step up and walk the streets until Caylee is brought home. If not a childs mother, then maybe her Grandmother can show that love for her.
JMO.


ITA. I just have to wonder what role George and Lee played in Casey's upbringing. Was George the "good parent"? Was Lee the "defender" or "blame taker"? Those two have to figure into this some how, IMO.

[5boxersmom]

I heard that but I thought they said the person she told wasn't credible, I don't know this case has more twists than Chubby Checkers.

Yeah, I don't know what is true and what is not? :shrug:

I just remember it being said.

jmo

Caylee:rose:

[rosejustrose]

Yeah, and I know people think I'm being too "soft" on Casey and I'm not. I think we as a society have to be protected from her and all like her. I just think it's a downright shame that perfectly good humans are perverted from what I believe we are "supposed" to be. She has a cancer of the mind or soul if you will, and I feel just as sorry for the waste of a human life as someone who has cancer of the physical body. BUT, to reiterate, she can't be with us anymore for our sake.

Well said. ITA. She is symbolic of what goes wrong in a dysfunctional family but she, like a cancer, needs to be removed from the greater society so she doesn't perpetuate her anti-social ways. JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Well all I can say is you are one lucky girl.:D

Well I can say I feel a world lighter, It wasn't an easy decision but one that needed to be made, my only regret is I didn't make it 20 years ago.

[Elle]

Might it not be as simple and innocent as calling ones grandmother mema, or ma ma or mammy or something similar? What did Cindy call her grandmother? What is her nationality? It might seem strange as many many many things here do, but it really could be quite innocent. Maybe he heard wrong, mammy could sound like mommy and ma ma without hearing the accent on it could be mistaken as mama...IDK, just thinking it might not not be sinister. For all I know it could have been a slip, maybe she cared for her like her own child and unknowingly would say that? I am not saying that would be healthy, just not mean.

imo, moo

[barskin&co.]

ITA. I just have to wonder what role George and Lee played in Casey's upbringing. Was George the "good parent"? Was Lee the "defender" or "blame taker"? Those two have to figure into this some how, IMO.

Lee has seemed as creepy as his sister to me, and I have a hard time seeing George as a "good parent."

[rosejustrose]

And do you need a new sister?

Sure, I'd gladly trade my sister in for a new one:D

[WillowInFlight]

Yeah, I don't know what is true and what is not? :shrug:

I just remember it being said.

jmo

Caylee:rose:
Well the one thing we do know that is true is CAYLEE HAS BEEN MISSING 97 DAYS NOW!

[Rayosunshine]

Imagine being psychologically abused for 22 years, Casey's entire life. This is quite possible.

Imagine that CA and GA did something to Caylee to prove that Casey was a bad person. I can't believe I am posting this. Something is so wrong here that it defies explanation.

Something tells me that it's about to "hit the fan".

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[need2no]

Well I smoke but I have the greatest mom on earth. I love her to pieces and wouldn't trade her for all the money in the world. I consider myself blessed and very, very lucky. Thanks, mom:rose:



DITTO! Apparently 2 GREAT MOMS on this earth! :rose::rose:

[OneUp]

LOL. I don't feel sorry for Casey but I think I understand her a little bit better. But, understanding her doesn't excuse what she did to Caylee and why she waited a month to report her missing. If this was a battle of wills between Casey and Cindy, well, I hate to tell you, Caylee lost. JMO.ITA..don't doubt for a second that however Cindy was...Casey is her own special brand of horrible. She doesn't have the capacity to do more than pretend to be a good mother. She couldn't even find it in herself to pretend she was upset because Caylee was gone.
IMO, Caylee is dead, and Casey knows because Casey did it.
She is a monster...but would she have been one in a different home? Who really knows? I don't know, I can guess that she is just plain "not right" and I can guess that her family was the worst case scenario place for her to grow up, but I don't KNOW either....I suspect, that things may not have gone as badly wrong in her life if she had been raised in a more stable home, been made to learn personal responsibility...but since we have no time machine to go and try again...we will never know.
JMO.

[Leanne Weich]

But she chose to be there from the perspective of a very damaged person, most likely. She wouldn't have had the normal person tools with which to guide her to a normal person existence. I'm really not excusing what Casey has done, but it is sad that she has become a waste of a perfectly good baby.

Don't you think Casey probably had a need for her mom's acceptance and approval and may have stayed in the hopes of one day attaining that approval? I didn't have a good relationship with my mom and spent 40 years trying to prove myself to her. Fortunately, in my 41 st year I emigrated to Australia and our relationship improved for a short while. She died just before I would have seen her again so I will never really know if I had really gained what I was looking for. My mother tried to be be mom to my kids too and boy does it hurt? I, fortunately, didn't misplace or kill any of them though.

[rosejustrose]

I always sort of got the impression of George as a non-entity.


Apparently so did the prosecutor/DA at the bond hearing, she dismissed him with no questions, IIRC.

[5boxersmom]

Well the one thing we do know that is true is CAYLEE HAS BEEN MISSING 97 DAYS NOW!


Yep......

:rose:

[johnielee333]

I feel kind of sick that I feel a little bit sorry for Casey now. But I do. Vurp.

i have felt sorry for casey all along because you can see mental illness within her whole family but to me that doesnt give her an excuse to kill her daughter & get away with it. casey's mental but not to the extreme of being able to get out of her crimes.
by the way, this family is not as mental as some other families that i have met. believe me.

[WillowInFlight]

Imagine being psychologically abused for 22 years, Casey's entire life. This is quite possible.

Imagine that CA and GA did something to Caylee to prove that Casey was a bad person. I can't believe I am posting this. Something is so wrong here that it defies explanation.

Something tells me that it's about to "hit the fan".

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

I can't buy that. I know this case is crazy, I just can't go that route.

[barskin&co.]

ITA..don't doubt for a second that however Cindy was...Casey is her own special brand of horrible. She doesn't have the capacity to do more than pretend to be a good mother. She couldn't even find it in herself to pretend she was upset because Caylee was gone.
IMO, Caylee is dead, and Casey knows because Casey did it.
She is a monster...but would she have been one in a different home? Who really knows? I don't know, I can guess that she is just plain "not right" and I can guess that her family was the worst case scenario place for her to grow up, but I don't KNOW either....I suspect, that things may not have gone as badly wrong in her life if she had been raised in a more stable home, been made to learn personal responsibility...but since we have no time machine to go and try again...we will never know.
JMO.

Thank you for expressing that so well. I think this "sympathy for Casey' trend is going a little overboard. Enough with the abuse excuse.

[why-me]

Well I can say I feel a world lighter, It wasn't an easy decision but one that needed to be made, my only regret is I didn't make it 20 years ago.

You give me hope....thank you

[rosejustrose]

Well the one thing we do know that is true is CAYLEE HAS BEEN MISSING 97 DAYS NOW!


For Caylee:rose:

97 days is just too damn long. Casey, where is Caylee?

[WillowInFlight]

Lee has seemed as creepy as his sister to me, and I have a hard time seeing George as a "good parent."

To me Lee has a deadness to his eyes.

[need2no]

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
red highlights to your post mine....

I have been searching for Geraldo's transcript an hour...and here you posted just what we needed!!!!

I am computer challenged big time...:D

Bless you!


You are very welcome...I was suffering from CRS tonight and couldn't recall exactly what Mr. Grund had said to Geraldo....so I went to search for the tape.

[Rayosunshine]

Now, let's get back down to Earth.

Casey took the bank routing numbers to embezzle thousands from her GGF's assisted living funds.

Casey cleaned out Amy's bank account.

And..oh yes

Casey killed (IMO) or negligently caused the death of Caylee, carried her dead body in the trunk of her car, and partied on!

Still feel sorry for her?


Did you ever think Casey stole $$ for someone else's use? Wonder what she's got to show for all the $$ she stole?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[johnielee333]

LOL. I don't feel sorry for Casey but I think I understand her a little bit better. But, understanding her doesn't excuse what she did to Caylee and why she waited a month to report her missing. If this was a battle of wills between Casey and Cindy, well, I hate to tell you, Caylee lost. JMO.

yeah caylee lost & thats sad. :(

[barskin&co.]

Her alleged best friend was Amy Hizenga (zenga) zeniga (zannie). I sure would like Geraldo to interview her. They shared a boyfriend. They palled around together too. She might have something new to add.

Amy has cooperated with LE, taken a LDT. She will testify at trial, IMO, and be an important witness. Her name, by the way, has never had anything to do with "zanny."

[Motomom]

Yeah, and I know people think I'm being too "soft" on Casey and I'm not. I think we as a society have to be protected from her and all like her. I just think it's a downright shame that perfectly good humans are perverted from what I believe we are "supposed" to be. She has a cancer of the mind or soul if you will, and I feel just as sorry for the waste of a human life as someone who has cancer of the physical body. BUT, to reiterate, she can't be with us anymore for our sake.

I know what you mean ratched, only I still do not feel sorry for her. I can't, and she's one of the few "offenders" that I don't feel bad for. There have been many, even grusome crimes where I feel exactly how you described and for those exact reason. It is a shame that it turned out this way, and I believe her mother/family is a huge reason, even though I do think some people are truely born bad. She was molded into what she was.. BUT there still comes a time where you should man up! Take control of your life somehow, or recognize your problems. Many people recognize and fix their problems. She didnt' recognize when she obviously lost control..

And someone else mentioned if not for the trunk they'd think she was given away. I agree. If there was even a little bit of legitimate information that came from Casey, I'd maybe lean towards that. But she has done nothing but lie. The cadaver dogs hitting on the trunk, the backyard, the "leaked" information from LE, all leads me to believe that she is dead. However, if they came out tomorrow and said that that evidence came from another body, I'd believe she simply gave her away and it was planned. But the rest of the lies and facts, simply don't add up to that IMO.

[5boxersmom]

It has nothing to do with Caylee calling anyone mom.

It has to do with Cindy referring to herself as Caylee's 'mom.'


You know at the beginning of this saga when Cindy announced on tv that the two went away to bond because she held Caylee first, All I could think was what the heck is this woman talking about.

Casey should have already bonded with Caylee. Who held her first has nothing to do with nothing. And why did Cindy feel the need to announce this to the nation?

I will never understand this family. I would also like to know if it is true that Lee had not been to the family home in over a year. Did he say that at the bond hearing?

jmo

Caylee:rose:

[Shellberry]

That is very disturbing....forget how the adults felt about that, can you imagine the confliction this created in Caylee? hearing Grandma call her self mommy and hearing that Casey was her mommy too...???
I just don't feel anything I hear gives me hope that little Caylee ever had a very stable home. It seems she was surrounded by twisted and selfish people. Jesse and his father come across as very nice, so maybe they gave her a better sense of normality?
I am surprised that he has heard of Zanny...( are you sure he said Z-anny and not N-anny?)..that makes me believe that the Xanax being used as a babysitter theory has more merit. I don't buy for one red hot minute that Casey either actually had ANY nanny ( no work, no money) and I don't believe that she actually knew any Zanny since high school.
Casey sure made a stupid choice when she shut him out of her life! She would have been lucky to have he and his family step up and embrace Caylee and herself!
JMO
about the mommy thing- could just be that a word caylee knew was mommy-maybe cindy tried to teach her to call casey mommy--and that word just stuck with her, because she could say it? she also had a doll or teddy bear that she called mama?
my daughter refers to a lot of things as 'dada'- and dada isnt even around or in the room.
I know what she is talking about when she says it
maybe caylee was just able to say mama or mommy before anything else?
:shrug:


I am totally confused-did Casey let Jesse believe this was his baby throughout her pregnancy. Is that why they became engaged?
I was wondering if the pg. fact is what broke them up. maybe they didnt have sex around the time she got pg.
so she told him and hid it from everyone else?
I dont get it.


I for one do not believe Casey is mentally stable. She has always been allowed to be self indulgent and well cared for by her mom and dad, giving the illusion of one selfish individual which may or may not be true. Fools me. She appears to be confused and flits from one guy to another like a butterfly. I do not believe she is capable of loving any male because she has not quite matured. I do believe someone needs to listen to her, because a lone female with a baby girl could be in grave danger should the wrong people choose to take advantage. Casey was not in the best of crowds and in fact they are all a bit scary. Girlfriend included. That fact stated, it does put Casey in a precarous situation and the child in the gravest of danger. Would they all be capable of making Casey look like a liar? Yup. Depending upon how much moolah is at stake. I still want to know what Casey did with all that money she stole. If we follow the money.. we may find a clue.
I think you mistakenly quoted me rather than someone else....

We must all have the same mom, and i smoke too, only difference is I haven't spoken to mine in about 3 years.
I dont have quite the same mom-but I tell ya, she'd yank my hair and smack me silly if I didnt tell her where her granddaughter was.

imo/jmo/etc

[Cury-us Coyote]

Thank you for expressing that so well. I think this "sympathy for Casey' trend is going a little overboard. Enough with the abuse excuse.

I'm stunned and speechless. There was nothing new in Geraldo's interview, IMO. Why the change of opinions?

[rosejustrose]

Several days ago I TRIED to LIsten to Lee at the bond hearing and had to quit. He speaks just like the rest of them, long, detailed, dishonest answeres to very short question.


It was pretty disgusting IMO. I listened to it this morning. I don't like him, I don't like him at all. I found it particularly disturbing that Baez and he had a little joke about Cindy being a "mean" cook. Hahahaha! How inappropriate was that? It was almost like Baez looked up to Lee. Force yourself to watch it. JMO.

[barskin&co.]

What if she knows Caylee is not dead? Would that change her self presentation?

If she knew Caylee was not dead, she would have told LE the truth.

[msgatorslayer]

I'm stunned and speechless. There was nothing new in Geraldo's interview, IMO. Why the change of opinions?

Because Jesse said that Casey would call herself "Mom' to Caylee, in front of Casey.

[Motomom]

Amy has cooperated with LE, taken a LDT. She will testify at trial, IMO, and be an important witness. Her name, by the way, has never had anything to do with "zanny."

She has also kept herself out of the spotlight. She actually seems like a good girl, working, doing what she has to do to make her life better. I don't think she's involved in any way. she was another casualty of Casey's.

[hanlil]

I think Casey definitely had jealousy issues with the relationship between Caylee and Cindy. I noticed that in the tapes NG played last night Casey seemed bitter that Caylee wouldn't get upset if she didn't talk to Casey for a long time but she would if it was Cindy.

The whole dynamic between Casey, Cindy and Caylee might play a big role in her motive especially coupled with Casey's desire for freedom with her new boyfriend.

[rosejustrose]

To me Lee has a deadness to his eyes.


They all do, IMO. There is no warmth or feeling expressed in their eyes at all. Even in the photos of them smiling you get the feeling it's forced, just not sincere. JMO.

[OneUp]

That I think is why my ex husband turned out to be a path.liar. His father made him feel like worthless dirt.
Children learn to lie to avoid consequences...the worse the consequences a child grows up facing, the better a liar they turn out to be. Those consequences may be physical abuse or emotional torture...what is important is how those consequences impact the child...some can take their punishment ( however harse) and move on and some become fixated on avoiding being caught or blamed.
That all boils down to the differences in personality...one childs response is not "better" than the others, just different. That is why children from the same horrible homes can grow up to be so different...the temperment of the child makes all the difference in the damage absorbed by the abuse.
Thus we see Great people coming from bad homes...they could "take it" directly and somehow cope. The children who have problems had to seek out ways to cope with the horrors...lying, sexual behavior, conforting themselves with food/drugs/alcohol, becoming abusive themselves, etc....their personalities just couldn't survive mentally otherwise.
JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Thank you for expressing that so well. I think this "sympathy for Casey' trend is going a little overboard. Enough with the abuse excuse.

My sympathy lies in the fact that I don't believe she was ever allowed to grow to be a whole person, and as a result of that her daughter suffered greatly. I can't help but wonder if Cindy and George had a different parenting plan with Casey if Caylee would still be with us. I know I'm reaching but the blame doesn't stand with Casey alone. IMO

[Rayosunshine]

That does tend to put the lie that the A.'s believe Caylee is still alive...
It's pretty hard to say SODDI ( some other dude did it) if there is no "it"
JMO.


Their strong belief that Caylee is alive may well be an act, to cover up the reality of who actually committed the crime.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[need2no]

Did you ever think Casey stole $$ for someone else's use? Wonder what she's got to show for all the $$ she stole?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


A pair of white sunglasses with large lenses. :)

[Tiger]

Amy has cooperated with LE, taken a LDT. She will testify at trial, IMO, and be an important witness. Her name, by the way, has never had anything to do with "zanny."
ITA...I think Amy has no idea what has happened to Caylee.

[barskin&co.]

My sympathy lies in the fact that I don't believe she was ever allowed to grow to be a whole person, and as a result of that her daughter suffered greatly. I can't help but wonder if Cindy and George had a different parenting plan with Casey if Caylee would still be with us. I know I'm reaching but the blame doesn't stand with Casey alone. IMO

Oh, no. Of course not. Not Casey alone. But, I am not sure how the sociopath that is Casey was developed.

[Shellberry]

You know at the beginning of this saga when Cindy announced on tv that the two went away to bond because she held Caylee first, All I could think was what the heck is this woman talking about.

Casey should have already bonded with Caylee. Who held her first has nothing to do with nothing. And why did Cindy feel the need to announce this to the nation?

I will never understand this family. I would also like to know if it is true that Lee had not been to the family home in over a year. Did he say that at the bond hearing?

jmo

Caylee:rose:

I think cindy was just saying that to make an excuse for casey.
the first person to hold my daughter was the nurse as she took her over to the special table, she wasnt breathing the right way when she was born. once they got her going, they put her on my chest for a second so I could see her-then they took her to the table again to clean her.
then her father and my best friend held her.
then I was like, ok give her to me.
I havent wanted to put her down since, that is just me though.


I thought lee was gone from the house as well. I thought maybe 2 years?


imo/jmo

[Rayosunshine]

Page 298 of 400+ docs, MK said Casey lacked attention and care towards Caylee.
jmo

Can't remember who MK is.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Motomom]

You know at the beginning of this saga when Cindy announced on tv that the two went away to bond because she held Caylee first, All I could think was what the heck is this woman talking about.

Casey should have already bonded with Caylee. Who held her first has nothing to do with nothing. And why did Cindy feel the need to announce this to the nation?

I will never understand this family. I would also like to know if it is true that Lee had not been to the family home in over a year. Did he say that at the bond hearing?

jmo

Caylee:rose:

I think the bonding issue is possible. Not all mothers have that instant bond after birth. We have never heard all of the details of that though. Like WHY. . I held my cousins baby first, before she did cause I had to go to work, was never once an issue. I was alot younger then, maybe 20 so I thought differently, but still. I think she through that out there to give a reason why Casey had to "bond" with Caylee. She was doing damage control, probably because she knew the damage IMO.

As far as Lee, i got the same impression. That he hadn't been over there much, if at in the past yr. In fact, I didn't get the impression of a "close" family.

[5boxersmom]

Oh, no. Of course not. Not Casey alone. But, I am not sure how the sociopath that is Casey was developed.


Well,one thing we know for sure is Casey got to grow to adulthood and I am afraid Caylee didn't.:rose:

[johnielee333]

Now, let's get back down to Earth.

Casey took the bank routing numbers to embezzle thousands from her GGF's assisted living funds.

Casey cleaned out Amy's bank account.

And..oh yes

Casey killed (IMO) or negligently caused the death of Caylee, carried her dead body in the trunk of her car, and partied on!

Still feel sorry for her?

good post ! :beer:

i still feel sorry for her because she learned from her family to be the way she is. also some mental illness was also in her when she was born. Caylee is the one i really feel sorry for. the poor little girl never got a chance at life. she will never grow up into a woman. she'll never be able to enjoy life as an adult. this to me is sad. :(

[dixie77]

Originally Posted by ?WudScoobyDo
I wonder how much Geraldo paid Jesse for the interview?
=============

And the reasoning behind your question would be what?

[OneUp]

Yeah, and I know people think I'm being too "soft" on Casey and I'm not. I think we as a society have to be protected from her and all like her. I just think it's a downright shame that perfectly good humans are perverted from what I believe we are "supposed" to be. She has a cancer of the mind or soul if you will, and I feel just as sorry for the waste of a human life as someone who has cancer of the physical body. BUT, to reiterate, she can't be with us anymore for our sake.
I feel nearly the same way ratched... I have tremendous compassion for most people, especially those who suffer from mental illness. But there are some behaviors that cannot go unchecked...some people begin ill and progess to a place where I truely believe their souls to be lost...serial killers, and the torturers of children...these are some that I feel have made of themselves abominations to God by their own actions. It is unwise to let them loose among the innocents of society.
IMO.

[rosejustrose]

You know at the beginning of this saga when Cindy announced on tv that the two went away to bond because she held Caylee first, All I could think was what the heck is this woman talking about.

Casey should have already bonded with Caylee. Who held her first has nothing to do with nothing. And why did Cindy feel the need to announce this to the nation?

I will never understand this family. I would also like to know if it is true that Lee had not been to the family home in over a year. Did he say that at the bond hearing?

jmo

Caylee:rose:

I vaguely recall Cindy saying that thing about her holding Caylee first and I thought to myself, gee, when my daughter was born the doctor held her first, passed her off to a nurse to be cleaned up and then they gave her to me. WTH? It made no sense but did serve to validate Cindy's need to be shown to be the most important person in Caylee's life. IMO.

Lee didn't say in his testimony that he hadn't been to the home in a year. He said he moved out in Jan 2006 because his job offered housing and that he went their often to eat becaue his mom is a "mean" cook (that was courtesy of Baez).

JMO.

[Motomom]

Imagine being psychologically abused for 22 years, Casey's entire life. This is quite possible.

Imagine that CA and GA did something to Caylee to prove that Casey was a bad person. I can't believe I am posting this. Something is so wrong here that it defies explanation.

Something tells me that it's about to "hit the fan".

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


Isabelle, are you starting to think it was more sinister with the parents?

[why-me]

Sort of off topic, I watched something last night for the 20th time about Darlie Routier. I believe she is on death row and they had very little evidence on her so I believe Casey will have her day in court and for the love of God and all who surround Him, I pray she tells the truth no matter what. Unfortunately, if her family helped her, no one will ever believe it because she has lied so much. I still would love to know how she has kept her stories straight, her face straight and her emotions intact. Nothing short of amazing to me. Even Scott Peterson had the good sense to at least "look a little sppoked at times.

[Shellberry]

Her alleged best friend was Amy Hizenga (zenga) zeniga (zannie). I sure would like Geraldo to interview her. They shared a boyfriend. They palled around together too. She might have something new to add.

casey and amy shared a boyfriend?

who?

where the heck have I been....



imo.jmo

[hamebone]

Thank you for expressing that so well. I think this "sympathy for Casey' trend is going a little overboard. Enough with the abuse excuse.

Amen to that.

I dont think she grew up in a healthy home and she might had been the core reason it wasnt healthy.

She cursed her mother like a dog and than made a threat for them not to come to the bond hearing. CONTROL.

She told LE in the interview that her mother had been right about things, re: her taking advantage of her mother, self centerness etc..

[WillowInFlight]

Well,one thing we know for sure is Casey got to grow to adulthood and I am afraid Caylee didn't.:rose:

And that should be the bottom line, I'm sure if I listen to the tapes and all the lies again I'll be right back ready to crucify Casey.

[joolz]

Thank you for expressing that so well. I think this "sympathy for Casey' trend is going a little overboard. Enough with the abuse excuse.

Thank you Barskin, just what I was thinking. Sorry guys and gals, but my parents were both emotionally and psychologically demeaning and no matter what I did, it was never good enough. I bear my own emotional scars, but I also am and have always been accountable for my own behavior. No matter what your background is, there is such a thing as free will. Casey chose not to use it except in a destructive and probably fatal way. I have no sympathy for her at all. JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Because Jesse said that Casey would call herself "Mom' to Caylee, in front of Casey.

But.......We've heard that before plus the come home to ME. Noone in this family gets anyone names right. I do wish story about who Caylee was named after had been completed during the bond hearing. The Lee part is rather obvious but the Cay part is unclear.

Are jurors allowed to ask questions in FL? TIA

[johnielee333]

Just a thought but I wonder if it is really Casey who is putting things in Cindy's head and maybe she is really the source of that rumor??

wouldnt put it past her.

[VII]

Nighters all! Better go to bed before I go to the banned section. So much to ponder and so much to try to sift through.

This family is nothing but disgruntled, dishonest, liars, theives, nasty, and one of them is a murderer (IMO!!!!) and I feel the others know about it.

I have news for them all. They can TRY to cover it up, but it will never go away. This little girl deserves a he77 of a lot more than she ever got! I PRAY that this whole thing will come back and bite them all in the arse! I do believe that it will do just that.

:rose:For Caylee. We love you!

What IF


What IF, they were "normal kids" growing up?

What IF, George and Cindy really don't know what/where Caylee is and are doing what THEY can to figure this out. Casey isn't going to "break" for them or anyone else.

What IF, they're still sitting there waiting on the results of a Psych Eval, wasn't one administerd? After all, look how long it took to get the testing conclusive from the trunk.....
What IF they HAVE the results of the Psych Eval and are working this according to the findings of the results?

You can raise kids "in the way they should go" but the societal influences are so great that it is a coin toss as to how they will conduct themselves once they are of age.

Bottom line, I read in here off and on. It is amazing how many story lines are being spun from pure speculation, if any film producers came in here they would have a TON of information to work with for future FICTION.

We do not yet KNOW, for a FACT what happened and how it ended.
What's next,
"git a rope and hang'er from the highest palm"?

Patience is a virtue....
and in THIS case, will HOPEfully result in the punishement deserving in the loss of this child either through "misplacing" or death.

omo

[Rayosunshine]

Yeah, it's terrible that Cindy was referring to herself as Caylee's "Mom' in front of Casey.

But after thinking about it. I don't feel one bit sorry for Casey. She is a grown woman who could make choices for herself. If she didn't like living with crazy Momma, she could have gotten a job, started fending for herself, and moved out. She's not 16 yo and surely wasn't stuck at the Anthony compound. She choose to be there.

JMO

As a single mother with no real marketable skills, she may not have had much of a choice where she lived. And if she was "controlled" all her life, she may not have been able to make the decision to break away. A 22 year single mother with no skills is not going to get very far fending for herself. Think about the reality of that.

Min. wage: $5.85 (not sure exactly) If she could find a job as a H.S. dropout - can't remember if she had GED
Day care: $100 - 150/week.
Rent, utilities, food, transportation, etc: $$$$$$
A nightmare of a life.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[OneUp]

i have felt sorry for casey all along because you can see mental illness within her whole family but to me that doesnt give her an excuse to kill her daughter & get away with it. casey's mental but not to the extreme of being able to get out of her crimes.
by the way, this family is not as mental as some other families that i have met. believe me.I believe you! We just get to see this family on public parade...there are families just like them in every community...and worse!
in this family, I think it has been Casey vs. Cindy on many levels for a long time...with Cindy still trying make excuses for Casey to everyone else and living with her own guilt....this stuff doesn't happen overnight.
JMO

[msjoni]

Thank you Barskin, just what I was thinking. Sorry guys and gals, but my parents were both emotionally and psychologically demeaning and no matter what I did, it was never good enough. I bear my own emotional scars, but I also am and have always been accountable for my own behavior. No matter what your background is, there is such a thing as free will. Casey chose not to use it except in a destructive and probably fatal way. I have no sympathy for her at all. JMO

I agree, I don't feel sorry for casey either but Cindy had a lot to do IMO with Casey's problems....

[Elle]

It has nothing to do with Caylee calling anyone mom.

It has to do with Cindy referring to herself as Caylee's 'mom.'

I know what you are saying, the whole thing is really screwed up. When I heard Jesse say that I was definately taken aback and immediately tried to find explanations as to how this could be without it being subversive on Cindy's part, tried to find variants or grammy and nana and grandma that sometimes people use that may sound like mommy or mama and that maybe that is what Jesse heard? IDK, it just keeps getting more and more twisted up. If Cindy deliberately referred to herself as Caylees mommy to upstage Casey then there was a definate power struggle going on. If Cindy slipped and referred to herself as Caylees mommy because Cindy wanted her as her own, then Cindy had/has some serious issues that needed/need to be addressed. All I do know is this is darker than I ever imagined, and whatever was going on, this poor baby was right in the middle.

[Tiger]

Sort of off topic, I watched something last night for the 20th time about Darlie Routier. I believe she is on death row and they had very little evidence on her so I believe Casey will have her day in court and for the love of God and all who surround Him, I pray she tells the truth no matter what. Unfortunately, if her family helped her, no one will ever believe it because she has lied so much. I still would love to know how she has kept her stories straight, her face straight and her emotions intact. Nothing short of amazing to me. Even Scott Peterson had the good sense to at least "look a little sppoked at times.

So true! I think if casey does decide to tell the truth if someone helped her commit the crime then no one will believe her. She lied so much who could believe her on anything....she made her bed now she must LIE!!!!!!

[barskin&co.]

And I TOTALLY agree. I resent this being called the "abuse excuse" because I am in NO way excusing Casey, et al. I'm merely trying to understand the pathology and that's a big difference than *excusing* her.

I'm sorry, ratched, if I sounded too much like I was being critical of your analysis.

[need2no]

I vaguely recall Cindy saying that thing about her holding Caylee first and I thought to myself, gee, when my daughter was born the doctor held her first, passed her off to a nurse to be cleaned up and then they gave her to me. WTH? It made no sense but did serve to validate Cindy's need to be shown to be the most important person in Caylee's life. IMO.

Lee didn't say in his testimony that he hadn't been to the home in a year. He said he moved out in Jan 2006 because his job offered housing and that he went their often to eat becaue his mom is a "mean" cook (that was courtesy of Baez).

JMO.

Baez is full of bull...I distinctly recall a reporter asking Lee about whether or not his parents had done some concrete work in their backyard over the 4th of July, Lee replied he didn't know because he hadn't been to his parents house in either a year or two (can't recall which one he stated). At the time I assumed he lived in another state...I was quite surprised when I found out just how close he lived to his parents...yet he himself claimed he didn't visit. I assumed there was bad blood.

Once again........someone is lying!!

I need to try to find the interview.

[dixie77]

Originally Posted by barskin&co.
Thank you for expressing that so well. I think this "sympathy for Casey' trend is going a little overboard. Enough with the abuse excuse.
====================

Oh I definitely agree with u. Right on JMO

[WillowInFlight]

But.......We've heard that before plus the come home to ME. Noone in this family gets anyone names right. I do wish story about who Caylee was named after had been completed during the bond hearing. The Lee part is rather obvious but the Cay part is unclear.

Are jurors allowed to ask questions in FL? TIA
Wouldn't the Cay part come from Casey?

[johnielee333]

Yeah, I do. She was born an innocent just like Caylee and through no fault of her own she was twisted into a monster. I don't think people *set out* to be so damaged. I don't absolve her of her responsibility with what she's done, but I understand more how she got that way. Like I said before, I'd rather have a terminal physical illness than that have that kind of brain damage (for lack of a better term).

i agree with ya.

[hanlil]

casey and amy shared a boyfriend?

who?

where the heck have I been....



imo.jmo

But I thought Amy and Ricardo were just roommates? Or am I wrong?

[msgatorslayer]

Sort of off topic, I watched something last night for the 20th time about Darlie Routier. I believe she is on death row and they had very little evidence on her so I believe Casey will have her day in court and for the love of God and all who surround Him, I pray she tells the truth no matter what. Unfortunately, if her family helped her, no one will ever believe it because she has lied so much. I still would love to know how she has kept her stories straight, her face straight and her emotions intact. Nothing short of amazing to me. Even Scott Peterson had the good sense to at least "look a little sppoked at times.

They had alot of evidence on Routier. And enough for all 12 jurors to say she deserved to die for her crimes. IMO

[WillowInFlight]

Baez is full of bull...I distinctly recall a reporter asking Lee about whether or not his parents had done some concrete work in their backyard over the 4th of July, Lee replied he didn't know because he hadn't been to his parents house in either a year or two (can't recall which one he stated). At the time I assumed he lived in another state...I was quite surprised when I found out just how close he lived to his parents...yet he himself claimed he didn't visit. I assumed there was bad blood.

Once again........someone is lying!!

I need to try to find the interview.
Now that you mention it, in the beginning i was under the impression he lived in Maryland, don't ask me why.

[OneUp]

What if she knows Caylee is not dead? Would that change her self presentation?That is irrelevant, because Caylee is dead.
The evidence tells investigators and all of us who have the interest to read and understand the information that Caylee is dead and was in her mothers trunk for at least 8 hours after death.'
I just cannot give you the answer you seem to want, because that would mean suspending my own intellect and claiming that Caylee might still be alive. I wish she were...but she is not. Not one fact makes me think she might be.
of course, that is JMO.

[why-me]

Good Night everyone it surely has been interesting as always.

GOD BLESS CAYLEE

[VII]

Do any of you realize how many foster families inSIST on being called "Mommy" and "Daddy" right after a kid is placed in their home.
Is that RIGHT?
It's only a short stay and these folks are paid by our governments.

:shrug:

[Rayosunshine]

Her alleged best friend was Amy Hizenga (zenga) zeniga (zannie). I sure would like Geraldo to interview her. They shared a boyfriend. They palled around together too. She might have something new to add.

Nah, Amy won't talk. Think I read somewhere the LE may have instructed her not to (or someone replied to one of my posts that that was a possibility)

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[joolz]

I agree, I don't feel sorry for casey either but Cindy had a lot to do IMO with Casey's problems....

ITA Joni, growing up with Cindy as a mother - at least if she always behaved the way we see her behaving now - must have impacted terribly on Casey ever learning to separate normally from her parents, and become a fully functioning adult. And I do thnk that there has always been something organically wrong with Casey, who seems to be the perfect storm of bad nature and bad nurture. But lots of people overcome a lot more than that without winding up killing their own child. Ultimately, it is her responsibility and hers alone. JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Can't remember who MK is.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Clint's gf.

[hanlil]

By the way did anyone else think Jesse Grund was going to be harder on Casey during the Geraldo interview? In one of the police reports they said Jesse called Casey a habitual liar. However during the interview he really didn't bash her at all.

[OneUp]

we can rehash this story for 10 more years, and still say the same thing:

The Anthony's are liars. They care more about themselves than they ever did about Caylee.


Nothing will change that. Not finding a body, not a conviction of Casey.

Just because there was a nice room provided for Caylee, does not mean anything. It is just material crap. Caylee would have preferred sanity and protection.
Yep,
yep,
and yep
IMO.

[5boxersmom]

As a single mother with no real marketable skills, she may not have had much of a choice where she lived. And if she was "controlled" all her life, she may not have been able to make the decision to break away. A 22 year single mother with no skills is not going to get very far fending for herself. Think about the reality of that.

Min. wage: $5.85 (not sure exactly) If she could find a job as a H.S. dropout - can't remember if she had GED
Day care: $100 - 150/week.
Rent, utilities, food, transportation, etc: $$$$$$
A nightmare of a life.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

There is alot of programs out there for single mothers. Free daycare, help with college or job training. Low rent. Wic. Just a few. She could have had a college degree by now. She has lived at home all of this time. Also if your income is below a certain level you get the child credit and your refund is pretty big. I wonder if she ever filed? Or did C and G claim Caylee?

Just saying.

Caylee:rose:

[rosejustrose]

As a single mother with no real marketable skills, she may not have had much of a choice where she lived. And if she was "controlled" all her life, she may not have been able to make the decision to break away. A 22 year single mother with no skills is not going to get very far fending for herself. Think about the reality of that.

Min. wage: $5.85 (not sure exactly) If she could find a job as a H.S. dropout - can't remember if she had GED
Day care: $100 - 150/week.
Rent, utilities, food, transportation, etc: $$$$$$
A nightmare of a life.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

HS Dropout? That's what I thought. But in her bond testimony Cindy went on and on about Casey's graduation from HS and how she got her first job shortly after. IMO, she was pretty convinced Casey did graduate HS. I wonder what the truth is. JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Not too critical, I just think I'm losing something in my communication.
I DON'T excuse Casey at all! I'm just sorry for ALL the loss of life at that home. None of them are really living a life as you and I know it. It just sucks and I hate to see bad stuff. I realize I'm just really, really lucky just by sheer dint of where I was born and who I was born to and the brain I was given (such as it is :D)

I just feel so sorry for those who drew the short straws, yes, like Caylee.

I think we think a lot alike.

[dixie77]

If Cindy was overpowering with Casey, then why didnt Casey get off her butt and get a job, move out of her parents house and raise Caylee herself. I dont believe for one minute that the reason something happened to this child was because Cindy considered herself Caylee's mom or that Casey didnt bond with Caylee. I think thats all hogwash.
I am still inclined to believe that it was some kind of negligent accident that took Caylee's life and i think the parents and Lee r all covering.
This is just my own personal opinion.

[rosejustrose]

I know what you are saying, the whole thing is really screwed up. When I heard Jesse say that I was definately taken aback and immediately tried to find explanations as to how this could be without it being subversive on Cindy's part, tried to find variants or grammy and nana and grandma that sometimes people use that may sound like mommy or mama and that maybe that is what Jesse heard? IDK, it just keeps getting more and more twisted up. If Cindy deliberately referred to herself as Caylees mommy to upstage Casey then there was a definate power struggle going on. If Cindy slipped and referred to herself as Caylees mommy because Cindy wanted her as her own, then Cindy had/has some serious issues that needed/need to be addressed. All I do know is this is darker than I ever imagined, and whatever was going on, this poor baby was right in the middle.

My daughter and my nieces all call my mother momma and my father poppa. She calls me mom. I can tell the difference. JMO.

[msjoni]

IIRC, wasn't Cindy the one that didn't want Casey to marry Jesse and wanted her to break the engagement?

[WillowInFlight]

HS Dropout? That's what I thought. But in her bond testimony Cindy went on and on about Casey's graduation from HS and how she got her first job shortly after. IMO, she was pretty convinced Casey did graduate HS. I wonder what the truth is. JMO.

And don't forget on the tapes Casey said she went to college for a short time.

[johnielee333]

Yeah, it's terrible that Cindy was referring to herself as Caylee's "Mom' in front of Casey.

But after thinking about it. I don't feel one bit sorry for Casey. She is a grown woman who could make choices for herself. If she didn't like living with crazy Momma, she could have gotten a job, started fending for herself, and moved out. She's not 16 yo and surely wasn't stuck at the Anthony compound. She choose to be there.

JMO

just because someone's age is 22 yrs old doesnt mean they are 22 yrs old in their brain.

[tiny paw-prints]

No, IIRC they got engaged Dec 31 05. That would be when Caylee was four months old. IMO.

Interesting.

IIRC, George filed for divorce Dec 29 05.

[5boxersmom]

Baez is full of bull...I distinctly recall a reporter asking Lee about whether or not his parents had done some concrete work in their backyard over the 4th of July, Lee replied he didn't know because he hadn't been to his parents house in either a year or two (can't recall which one he stated). At the time I assumed he lived in another state...I was quite surprised when I found out just how close he lived to his parents...yet he himself claimed he didn't visit. I assumed there was bad blood.

Once again........someone is lying!!

I need to try to find the interview.

Yep on the lying. I too thought Lee lived out of state for the longest time. :shrug:

Strange if he didn't come around. Maybe Baez and Lee had just had dinner with the Anthony's before the bond hearing?

jmo

[Tiger]

There is alot of programs out there for single mothers. Free daycare, help with college or job training. Low rent. Wic. Just a few. She could have had a college degree by now. She has lived at home all of this time. Also if your income is below a certain level you get the child credit and your refund is pretty big. I wonder if she ever filed? Or did C and G claim Caylee?

Just saying.

Caylee:rose:
Yes, there are some really great programs out there but you do have to go and do some leg work to apply and so forth. However, I don't think that is the type of leg work Casey wanted to do:shrug:

[rosejustrose]

Now that you mention it, in the beginning i was under the impression he lived in Maryland, don't ask me why.


I thought Chicago, IL.:shrug:

[need2no]

As a single mother with no real marketable skills, she may not have had much of a choice where she lived. And if she was "controlled" all her life, she may not have been able to make the decision to break away. A 22 year single mother with no skills is not going to get very far fending for herself. Think about the reality of that.

Min. wage: $5.85 (not sure exactly) If she could find a job as a H.S. dropout - can't remember if she had GED
Day care: $100 - 150/week.
Rent, utilities, food, transportation, etc: $$$$$$
A nightmare of a life.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


Government paid for (or severly reduced price) school, and daycare. WIC, food stamps, free (or drastically reduced price) healthcare for mom and child, minimal cost for cell phone. Government assisted job training and placement. Reduced priced housing.

Take the baby daddy to court for child support...if she can identify the baby daddy.

I know a Casey...it's shocking and mind blowing all the available benefits for single moms. No, not a great or wealthy existance...but they get by just fine and often refuse to marry to keep the fringe benefits of single motherhood flowing.

[OneUp]

And I TOTALLY agree. I resent this being called the "abuse excuse" because I am in NO way excusing Casey, et al. I'm merely trying to understand the pathology and that's a big difference than *excusing* her.{{{Hugs}}}
Because you. like myself, faced monsters every day at work and then had to drive home and sit with your family...and not lose your mind at trying to reconcile how both groups were the same species.
:rose:
It is hard to give a "monster" who never gave anyone kindness humane and kind treatment.
JMO.

[rosejustrose]

Good Night everyone it surely has been interesting as always.

GOD BLESS CAYLEE


Good night:seeya:

[VII]

By the way did anyone else think Jesse Grund was going to be harder on Casey during the Geraldo interview? In one of the police reports they said Jesse called Casey a habitual liar. However during the interview he really didn't bash her at all.

MAYbe, they are going to use HIM to reel her in. Kinda the way Amber Frey was used to reel in Scott.

:shrug:

(operating off the results of the psych eval)

[Rayosunshine]

Isabelle, are you starting to think it was more sinister with the parents?


Don't really know. Everything is so twisted.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[msgatorslayer]

As a single mother with no real marketable skills, she may not have had much of a choice where she lived. And if she was "controlled" all her life, she may not have been able to make the decision to break away. A 22 year single mother with no skills is not going to get very far fending for herself. Think about the reality of that.

Min. wage: $5.85 (not sure exactly) If she could find a job as a H.S. dropout - can't remember if she had GED
Day care: $100 - 150/week.
Rent, utilities, food, transportation, etc: $$$$$$
A nightmare of a life.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Ray, she could have used the past 2 years she spent at her 'fake' Universal job doing SOMETHING. But she didn't.

Even Melinda Duckett had her own apartment.:)

[hanlil]

And don't forget on the tapes Casey said she went to college for a short time.

She told so many unnecessary lies it's mind boggling. Kind of like Scott Peterson with his silly grandiose lies to Amber Frey about being in Paris etc.

[Ionmhainn]

My first or second post in this case was about the "power struggle" between Cindy and Casey from the day Caylee was born. I never imagined it would have been to the extent of Cindy calling herself "Mommy." IF true, every time that happened, Casey must have felt "erased." It goes a long way in explaining the anger, imo.

[Rayosunshine]

And I TOTALLY agree. I resent this being called the "abuse excuse" because I am in NO way excusing Casey, et al. I'm merely trying to understand the pathology and that's a big difference than *excusing* her.


Well said ratched.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[rosejustrose]

If Cindy was overpowering with Casey, then why didnt Casey get off her butt and get a job, move out of her parents house and raise Caylee herself. I dont believe for one minute that the reason something happened to this child was because Cindy considered herself Caylee's mom or that Casey didnt bond with Caylee. I think thats all hogwash.
I am still inclined to believe that it was some kind of negligent accident that took Caylee's life and i think the parents and Lee r all covering.
This is just my own personal opinion.

I'd love to see her sealed juvie record. IMO, that might give a peek into when the real problems started to manifest themselves into action, JMO.

[need2no]

Yep on the lying. I too thought Lee lived out of state for the longest time. :shrug:

Strange if he didn't come around. Maybe Baez and Lee had just had dinner with the Anthony's before the bond hearing?

jmo

:biggrin: I think you may be right..I'm beginning to wonder if Lee is a close runner up to his sister in the lying arena.

Looks like both them apples fell close to that water drinking tree. :D

[hanlil]

MAYbe, they are going to use HIM to reel her in. Kinda the way Amber Frey was used to reel in Scott.

:shrug:

(operating off the results of the psych eval)

I think Casey's too smart to fall for that.

[VII]

HS Dropout? That's what I thought. But in her bond testimony Cindy went on and on about Casey's graduation from HS and how she got her first job shortly after. IMO, she was pretty convinced Casey did graduate HS. I wonder what the truth is. JMO.


Since most here agree on how much they enJOY the limelight, I'd be willin' to be they attended the graduation ceremonies.
:cool:

[WillowInFlight]

She told so many unnecessary lies it's mind boggling. Kind of like Scott Peterson with his silly grandiose lies to Amber Frey about being in Paris etc.

That was when I thought I heard it all, who knew.

[Shellberry]

Amen to that.

I dont think she grew up in a healthy home and she might had been the core reason it wasnt healthy.

She cursed her mother like a dog and than made a threat for them not to come to the bond hearing. CONTROL.

She told LE in the interview that her mother had been right about things, re: her taking advantage of her mother, self centerness etc..

As a single mother with no real marketable skills, she may not have had much of a choice where she lived. And if she was "controlled" all her life, she may not have been able to make the decision to break away. A 22 year single mother with no skills is not going to get very far fending for herself. Think about the reality of that.

Min. wage: $5.85 (not sure exactly) If she could find a job as a H.S. dropout - can't remember if she had GED
Day care: $100 - 150/week.
Rent, utilities, food, transportation, etc: $$$$$$
A nightmare of a life.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

You live what you learn, imo
:(

Wouldn't the Cay part come from Casey?
My name is Michele & my daughters name is Michele
it is odd, but not uncommon to name a girl after yourself in some way.
Caylee is an odd name-this is the first I've heard of it, If she was really close to lee-there is no reason why she shouldnt name her after him.
maybe casey considered him to be the only father figure caylee would have in her life.
I think Lee being her father though is extremely far fetched-padilla spent too much time reading message boards online.
imo

But I thought Amy and Ricardo were just roommates? Or am I wrong?
I have no clue-zold1 said they shared a boyfriend.
There is alot of programs out there for single mothers. Free daycare, help with college or job training. Low rent. Wic. Just a few. She could have had a college degree by now. She has lived at home all of this time. Also if your income is below a certain level you get the child credit and your refund is pretty big. I wonder if she ever filed? Or did C and G claim Caylee?

Just saying.

Caylee:rose:

in PA-your parents can claim you until you turn 18--the age rises to 22 if you are in college-they can still claim you.
makes me think casey was lying about going to college and taking courses so she would still be on her parents insurance.


IMO/JMO/ETC

[5boxersmom]

I thought Cindy said Casey was a half credit short of graduating? :confused:

Caylee:rose:

[dixie77]

So Cindy is floating the rumor around that Jesse killed Caylee & put her body in Casey's trunk to frame Casey on a 'just in case' kind of deal?
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I hope Jessie sues Cindy!!!!! JMO

[OneUp]

Baez is full of bull...I distinctly recall a reporter asking Lee about whether or not his parents had done some concrete work in their backyard over the 4th of July, Lee replied he didn't know because he hadn't been to his parents house in either a year or two (can't recall which one he stated). At the time I assumed he lived in another state...I was quite surprised when I found out just how close he lived to his parents...yet he himself claimed he didn't visit. I assumed there was bad blood.

Once again........someone is lying!!

I need to try to find the interview.Doesn't it make you wonder at Lee's motivation to suddenly thrust himself right into the mix again?
Yeah, I know...someone will pipe up about his concern for his parents...trust me, there was cause to be supportive and concerned long before Caylee was gone. Besides, he could easily show support without acting just like them and spreading the "mistruths". He could step up and speak for the family as an honest and sympathetic spokesperson...he chose to miss that train.
He removed himself from that house and stayed gone purposefully. I have my theories on that as well as on why he chose to reinsert himself into the dysfunction.
All JMO.

[barskin&co.]

HS Dropout? That's what I thought. But in her bond testimony Cindy went on and on about Casey's graduation from HS and how she got her first job shortly after. IMO, she was pretty convinced Casey did graduate HS. I wonder what the truth is. JMO.

According to Team Casey, she was just 1/2 credit short of graduating, but you'd think in the years since then, she might have completed it, if that was truly all she needed.

Mother Offers Insight Into Casey Anthony

POSTED: 7:22 pm EDT July 21, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Cindy Anthony offers some insight into her daughter -- the mother of missing toddler Caylee Anthony.
Mother Cindy Anthony said her daughter, Casey, 22, went to Colonial High School, but did not graduate. She ended one half credit short of getting her diploma.
Cindy Anthony said that, before Caylee was born, Casey Anthony's passion was photography.
"She just lucked into a photography job at Universal Studios, not at Universal Studios, but for Kodak, and she has a plaque. She was the employee of the year," Cindy Anthony said.
Cindy Anthony said her daughter is very caring; the kind of person who looks out for other people.
http://www.wesh.com/news/16947154/detail.html

[VII]

I think Casey's too smart to fall for that.


nah, you're giving her too much credit.
she's a spoiled rotten BRAT whose Mother always came to her rescue in times of trouble and absorbed the shock.
She's waiting on the "bail out" she keeps getting and has always recieved. In her head, it'll all be good.

[Rayosunshine]

[QUOTE=OneUp;12157699]That is irrelevant, because Caylee is dead.
The evidence tells investigators and all of us who have the interest to read and understand the information that Caylee is dead and was in her mothers trunk for at least 8 hours after death.'
I just cannot give you the answer you seem to want, because that would mean suspending my own intellect and claiming that Caylee might still be alive. I wish she were...but she is not. Not one fact makes me think she might be.
of course, that is JMO.[/QUOT

OneUp, we do not know for a fact that Caylee is dead. If LE knew for a fact that she was, they wouldn't be dotting their i's and crossing their t's and Casey wouldn't be living in the Anthony home.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Cury-us Coyote]

Baez is full of bull...I distinctly recall a reporter asking Lee about whether or not his parents had done some concrete work in their backyard over the 4th of July, Lee replied he didn't know because he hadn't been to his parents house in either a year or two (can't recall which one he stated). At the time I assumed he lived in another state...I was quite surprised when I found out just how close he lived to his parents...yet he himself claimed he didn't visit. I assumed there was bad blood.

Once again........someone is lying!!

I need to try to find the interview.

When was Lee to bring the beer to the family gathering because CA thought beer was too expensive? TIA

[hamebone]

My daughter and my nieces all call my mother momma and my father poppa. She calls me mom. I can tell the difference. JMO.

I have a niece and on the other side of the family the grandmother is called....big momma.

These are more like nic names tho'

I think, what Jesse was saying was Cindy, addressed herself with Caylee, in a manner that gave her the TITLE of mother.

[rosejustrose]

Doesn't it make you wonder at Lee's motivation to suddenly thrust himself right into the mix again?
Yeah, I know...someone will pipe up about his concern for his parents...trust me, there was cause to be supportive and concerned long before Caylee was gone. Besides, he could easily show support without acting just like them and spreading the "mistruths". He could step up and speak for the family as an honest and sympathetic spokesperson...he chose to miss that train.
He removed himself from that house and stayed gone purposefully. I have my theories on that as well as on why he chose to reinsert himself into the dysfunction.
All JMO.


If he and Casey were as close as he said in his testimony and her life was such hell at home, why didn't she move in with him?

[5boxersmom]

:biggrin: I think you may be right..I'm beginning to wonder if Lee is a close runner up to his sister in the lying arena.

Looks like both them apples fell close to that water drinking tree. :D

Yep, I could tell he was lying to the dog woman with the sign. She kept saying Lee you just told me so and so and he said no I didn't. It was so obvious he was lying.

jmo

Caylee:rose:

[OneUp]

Do any of you realize how many foster families inSIST on being called "Mommy" and "Daddy" right after a kid is placed in their home.
Is that RIGHT?
It's only a short stay and these folks are paid by our governments.

:shrug:I don't have a clue where you are getting that nugget from...well, I DO, but it's not the point anyway.
I never asked, told or promoted "my kids" to call me mom, mommy, mother or any other such thing. That is strongly discouraged by the Foster Care System and by any therapist or counselor involved as well.
There are nuts in Foster care just like everywhere else, but most foster parents are wonderful people...they just don't make the evening news.

And Foster care is totally Off Topic in this thread.
JMO.

[Tiger]

============

I hope Jessie sues Cindy!!!!! JMO
Yes!!! I hear they have come into a large sum:mad:

[rosejustrose]

According to Team Casey, she was just 1/2 credit short of graduating, but you'd think in the years since then, she might have completed it, if that was truly all she needed.

Mother Offers Insight Into Casey Anthony

POSTED: 7:22 pm EDT July 21, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Cindy Anthony offers some insight into her daughter -- the mother of missing toddler Caylee Anthony.
Mother Cindy Anthony said her daughter, Casey, 22, went to Colonial High School, but did not graduate. She ended one half credit short of getting her diploma.
Cindy Anthony said that, before Caylee was born, Casey Anthony's passion was photography.
"She just lucked into a photography job at Universal Studios, not at Universal Studios, but for Kodak, and she has a plaque. She was the employee of the year," Cindy Anthony said.
Cindy Anthony said her daughter is very caring; the kind of person who looks out for other people.
http://www.wesh.com/news/16947154/detail.html

She must have made up that 1/2 credit between the time this article was written and the bond hearing. Because I clearly heard Cindy talk about her graduation:rolleyes: What a bunch of bananas!!!

[dixie77]

I think Casey's too smart to fall for that.==========
===============

U said it right there and i agree with u.......i think Casey is smart. Yeah...i know all the lies she told and all that jazz but u know what? She just may be smart enough to get away with this and only do a small amount of time for the economic charges. But i hope i'm wrong. Only time will tell. JMO

[msjoni]

So Cindy is floating the rumor around that Jesse killed Caylee & put her body in Casey's trunk to frame Casey on a 'just in case' kind of deal?

Wasn't Jesse one of the group of people that took lie detectors test?

[barskin&co.]

She must have made up that 1/2 credit between the time this article was written and the bond hearing. Because I clearly heard Cindy talk about her graduation:rolleyes: What a bunch of bananas!!!

Of course. Casey finished school in jail! :biggrin:

[hanlil]

If there was a real body in the trunk why didn't the tow company report it. They had the car longer than anyone. If there was a real body in the trunk you can bet your bottom bippy Casey would never be able to bail out again.

How many times have police lied to get a perceived confession. How many times have false accusations been made to draw a suspect out.
I'm not buying the body in the trunk and I find it hard to believe the Grandparents are floating anything to save Casey. Not the way mama feels about the missing child.

The person framing Casey would have had to put the body in the trunk and then remove it before the trunk was opened by the yard manager and George. It's all so silly. Why would he remove the body if he was framing her?

[Rayosunshine]

There is alot of programs out there for single mothers. Free daycare, help with college or job training. Low rent. Wic. Just a few. She could have had a college degree by now. She has lived at home all of this time. Also if your income is below a certain level you get the child credit and your refund is pretty big. I wonder if she ever filed? Or did C and G claim Caylee?

Just saying.

Caylee:rose:

I know all about the "free" stuff that's out there. To qualify for alot of help, you fill out a needs assessment and it includes info for the whole family for the last year, so if she were living with her parents, their salaries would be pertinent and she would probably not qualify. I have a daughter who is a single mom who has gone through this. She's been living with me for almost 4 years. On her salary she could afford to live in certain areas of our city, but I would die before I would allow her to do that.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Tiger]

Of course. Casey finished school in jail!

:lol:......

[Shellberry]

I thought Cindy said Casey was a half credit short of graduating? :confused:

Caylee:rose:

yep-that is what I saw/heard too.


imo/jmo

[rosejustrose]

Of course. Casey finished school in jail!

The ultimate school of hard knocks!:D

On that cheery note I bid you all a good night! Stay safe everyone and I'll see you all tomorrow.:seeya:

[WillowInFlight]

Yep, I could tell he was lying to the dog woman with the sign. She kept saying Lee you just told me so and so and he said no I didn't. It was so obvious he was lying.

jmo

Caylee:rose:

The more I think about the more I can't wait to hear what Dr. P. has to say about this family. I will scream if he pussyfoots around and minces words.

[Joan Weiss]

That's not what Jesse said. He said he loved her and thought there was a possibility he was the father. Apparently little Princess Pantsonfire had quite a string of lovers in her very young life. She told Jesse that Caylee's father was a one night stand who wanted nothing to do with Caylee, IIRC>Princess Pantsonfire...that just cracks me up. lol...

Sorry, I know this case is not funny.

[OneUp]

There is alot of programs out there for single mothers. Free daycare, help with college or job training. Low rent. Wic. Just a few. She could have had a college degree by now. She has lived at home all of this time. Also if your income is below a certain level you get the child credit and your refund is pretty big. I wonder if she ever filed? Or did C and G claim Caylee?

Just saying.

Caylee:rose:Um, yeah. I wa sa single mother for a long time, have had my own home since I was 17, and have 3 bachelors degrees, 2 associate degress, and multiple other trainings and certifications. I frequently worked two jobs. My child never had to do without having every need met.
It's not easy, but people do it every day.
Many here are single moms...I'm sure they would be glad to share their stories...but it does require personal sacrifice and responsibilty...two things that are not in Casey's vocabulary.IMO.

[WillowInFlight]

The ultimate school of hard knocks!:D

On that cheery note I bid you all a good night! Stay safe everyone and I'll see you all tomorrow.:seeya:

Good night Rose :seeya:

[VII]

Well, sadly enough, many here are seeing what some might not with different experiences. I called Cindy out on day one. She is familiar to me. I know someone like her, someone just like George, and someone Very similar to Casey.


If that be the case, then perhaps something should be done before they harm someone.

[hamebone]

Yep, I could tell he was lying to the dog woman with the sign. She kept saying Lee you just told me so and so and he said no I didn't. It was so obvious he was lying.

jmo

Caylee:rose:

and tried to tell her ...she must of talked to someone else thinking it was him....good grief...

[Joan Weiss]

The more I think about the more I can't wait to hear what Dr. P. has to say about this family. I will scream if he pussyfoots around and minces words.He never pussyfoots around. I watched him when he was on Oprah, before he got his program. I recall thinking "Geeze, anyone going to walk away with their self esteem? I never watched his own show...

jmo

[VII]

And the above has what to do with this case?

well, it IS ot and in particular relates directly to the hullaballoooooo about Cindy calling herself Mommy.

[WillowInFlight]

Princess Pantsonfire...that just cracks me up. lol...

Sorry, I know this case is not funny.
No it's not but that phrase sure is, maybe that can be her nic if she ever signs up here. :D

[dixie77]

If he and Casey were as close as he said in his testimony and her life was such hell at home, why didn't she move in with him?
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Casey didnt want to get off of her lazy butt to go out and get a job. She had it made at her parents home. Can any one here honestly say that if Casey was their daughter, would they condone her actions? Like working, making her own money, but still having to pay for everything for Casey and Caylee? They had to be paying for everything from insurance to cell phones to God only knows what else. If she were my daughter, i would have put a stop to it a long time ago. Casey wasnt stupid.......she was a smart cookie. JMO

[concernedmom]

Many battered and abused women stay in the home with the abuser because they have been brainwashed into thinking they are worthless.

Also fear tht you cant make it on your own.

[barskin&co.]

Wasn't Jesse one of the group of people that took lie detectors test?

Yes.
CASEY'S FORMER FRIENDS TAKE LIE DETECTOR TESTS

Detectives still can't shake the truth from Caylee's mom Casey, but her ex-fiancé, ex-lover and ex-best friend have talked and investigators want to make sure it's legitimate.

Sources told Eyewitness News exclusively that Casey's ex-fiancé Jesse Grund, ex-lover Ricardo Morales and ex-best friend Amy Huizenga all went through lie detector tests. Sources said they were conducted not because they were accused of anything, but to make sure detectives could confirm all the details of their stories.

Huizenga is the same friend from whom Casey's accused of stealing checks from.
http://www.wftv.com/news/17483047/detail.html