FRIDAY afternoon thread 9/19

[Texas48]

I'm one of the few who still thinks it was an accident. At least I am still leaning that way. However, nothing would surprise me.

Before anyone starts, yeh yeh yeh...I know the arguments against an accident...partying it up at Fusion, NO call to 911, happy as a lark afterwards, all the lies....and blah blah. I think Casey is truthfully so far beyond our comprehension mentally that all of that is not shocking to me, after an accidental death. And I believe she loved Caylee. So throw rocks, I'm ready. :D

(Caveat: I'm not TIED to a theory, I can be swayed by concrete proof.) JMO..There should not be any yeh..yeh..yeh or throwing rocks. This is your opinion. Maybe not all agree but it is a good post. It could have easily been an accident as intended. At thistime..only Casey knows. I feel certain LE will piece it all together.

[SavannahStar]

Of course not, please repeat as many times as you want. I know I have. Its fortunate that the mod has allowed you to keep coming back after so many bannings. But I am happy you and your nic keep coming back.
:seeya:


Oh it's a good thing I'm not drinking my after-work glass of wine yet....it WOULD be on my monitor...:lol:

[OneUp]

Are we limited on what we can say and how many times we can say it?

PS I have only one nic here so I guess I do repeat things ..:)
It seems we need a guide to navigate the board and post in a manner acceptable to other posters. I say post what you wish, how you wish, as often as you wish...the majority will understand any repitition, as no one can be expected to read and remember every post.
Today it seems that if one chooses not to endorse and excuse a behavior that one is displaying "hate" towards the acting individual.
My definition of hate covers something much deeper. I limit the prescence of hate in my life...can't think of anything besides my feelings about children that I can apply that term to in good conscience.
I suppose others have their own definition of "hate" based upon their own life experiences, and how they were raised.

JMO.

[Leanne Weich]

I am SO sorry, Leanne. :rose:

Thanks ratched. Amazing how often if you follow these kinds of cases, you find similarities to your own life.

[Joan Weiss]

Thank goodness! My posts seem fuller of typos than is the norm!
I guess I Would just keep posting away, totally oblivious, if no one could read them...I probably wouldn't even notice, LOL!
JMO........................................OneUp, your posts are very intelligible. I never fail to know your point. The spelling police left this building a long time ago. imo

[rosejustrose]

I'm here..dont everyone get to excited.

Anything new?


OK, I think I just fainted. I am a little fuzzy coming to. Oh Hi, Flmon, you're here.:D

[Leanne Weich]

For your broken heart:rose: God Bless.

Thanks. An arrest in the very near future will help mend my heart a bit, I'm sure.

[WillowInFlight]

I'm picturing a scenario like this:

Caylee and Cindy visit Grampa
Upon their return Cindy and Casey fight over Grampa's missing funds
Casey leaves with Caylee in a fit of rage
Caylee is upset after seeing the fight and reacts by perhaps crying for Cindy
This enrages Casey
She puts her in the trunk to clear her head and think
Death comes to Caylee

The rest is history


JMHO. No evidence. No link. Just thoughts
I'm afraid your theory maybe right.

[Boxer]

No she doesn't (MOO.) She wants US to believe her grandaughter is alive.

thank you! you are correct. and you have a pm somewhere

[SavannahStar]

It's a delusional belief and everyone knows it. I could understand pity and concern for her mental well being. I don't know why you want to be contrary on this issue but I respect your right to be so. I just hope you realize that Casey most likely killed Caylee and she's not coming home. No one is trying to crucify Cindy because Caylee is gone, crucifixion is something I wouldn't even consider for that woman. What I think you are seeing is a growing sense of dissatisfaction for her behavior. She's reprehensible, IMO. Everything about her screams disgust. There is just not a likeable member amongst the living Anthony family and that is JMO. They are obvious and obtuse liars. It really is appalling. I think it's very commendable that you can see beyond all that and find compassion for that woman. God help me, but I can't. JMO.

That was a great post, I just wish you hadn't said that she "wants to be contrary on this issue." I feel the same way as she does regarding Cindy and George. I don't "want" to be contrary, I just have inborn compassion for them. And I'm not condemning those that don't have compassion for them.....in fact I can somewhat understand it....but geez, rose, everyone is different in how they feel!

[rosejustrose]

They think Caylee is alive. They did what they thought to be best at that time. I forgive them for that.


Do you really believe they think Caylee is alive now? I can forgive them for believing Caylee was alive right up until the forensics came in but I can't forgive them their behavior now. Thank goodness I'm not God and my forgiveness means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. But what about you, do you think Caylee is alive? Do you think the Anthonys think Caylee is alive? And, where do you think Lee is and why has he been absent lately? I'm not picking at you. Oh, yes I am because you epress a contrary view and that's what makes these boards so interesting. But, I trust you know that it's not personal. JMO.

[msjoni]

Yeah.. I've seen so many references here and on tv to sociopathy.
If it's so and she is in fact a sociopath. Left on her own (and I believe she was acting alone) she wouldn't have any idea what the appropriate response would be to losing your child. She wouldn't have any concept of how reprehensible clubbing 3 or 4 days later is. JMO

Sociopath's don't know appropriate responses, they mirror people...

[Dogmatic]

Do you really believe they think Caylee is alive now? I can forgive them for believing Caylee was alive right up until the forensics came in but I can't forgive them their behavior now. Thank goodness I'm not God and my forgiveness means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. But what about you, do you think Caylee is alive? Do you think the Anthonys think Caylee is alive? And, where do you think Lee is and why has he been absent lately? I'm not picking at you. Oh, yes I am because you epress a contrary view and that's what makes these boards so interesting. But, I trust you know that it's not personal. JMO.


I don't. I think they initially thought she was alive. Now, I think they know she is dead and are faced with not only losing their granddaughter, but also their daughter.

[rosejustrose]

I wonder how long Casey was thinking of doing away with Caylee, I find it hard to believe that the thought just came to her after a fight with Cindy.

IMO, if Casey had the resources she would have gotten rid of Caylee via an abortion. It's just that her stunted maturity didn't allow her to realize that having a baby is having a baby, just like it didn't allow her to realize that dead is dead. JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Do you really believe they think Caylee is alive now? I can forgive them for believing Caylee was alive right up until the forensics came in but I can't forgive them their behavior now. Thank goodness I'm not God and my forgiveness means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. But what about you, do you think Caylee is alive? Do you think the Anthonys think Caylee is alive? And, where do you think Lee is and why has he been absent lately? I'm not picking at you. Oh, yes I am because you epress a contrary view and that's what makes these boards so interesting. But, I trust you know that it's not personal. JMO.

I think the Anthony's know Caylee is no longer alive, I think they have know for awhile now.

[Armchairdet]

Yeah.. I've seen so many references here and on tv to sociopathy.
If it's so and she is in fact a sociopath. Left on her own (and I believe she was acting alone) she wouldn't have any idea what the appropriate response would be to losing your child. She wouldn't have any concept of how reprehensible clubbing 3 or 4 days later is. JMO


I am not arguing with you, because you may very well be correct. But my understanding was sociopaths do know how they should respond. They don't feel it, but they watch how other people respond. For instance in the movies and shows Casey would watch she would see that a mother crys at the loss of a child. Or in real life she sees how people react to a loss. So to me even if she is a sociopath, and I think there is a very good chance she is, she is also so filled with narcissism she can't even be bothered to try to show emotion for Caylee at the expense of her own pleasure.

IMO

[Dogmatic]

It would be near impossible to put a LIVE almost 3 year old in the trunk of your car unless you were a real momster.

not if she was drugged or under the influence of chloroform.

[Leanne Weich]

Im really sorry Leanne. :rose:
NOw you've gone and done it; made me cry.

I had to do busy work today, cook clean, listen to the OJ trial and think about this case. Get my mind off of this family. I cannot look at the video peeps. Im just not that strong right now. It would crack me in half I think.

If you're feeling fragile, don't watch it. But, when you feel a bit stronger you must. Thanks for the thoughts. :rose:

[Amy]

The strangest thing about this whole case is that Cindy is not using the media to beg Zenaida to return Caylee.
If she truly believes Casey's story, why isn't she reaching out to Zenaida?

That part really confused me. "We're watching them" and "They're watching us." And, to protect Caylee (and Casey?) they can't say who and where, and evidently can't tell even LE. So, of course, would not address Zanny on national TV. If that all is the case, why would they bring the case to the attention of the media @ all? Wouldn't any attention have put Caylee in jeopardy?

[Joan Weiss]

I wonder how long Casey was thinking of doing away with Caylee, I find it hard to believe that the thought just came to her after a fight with Cindy.I think she planned it. I think she got the chloroform, stole her GF's money, and was procrastinating. When Cindy found out about the theft, things came to a head. I think Casey didn't go visit GF on Father's Day because she knew the chit would hit the fan. imo

[trt]

The woman wants to believe her grandaughter is alive. To me that invites compassion, not crucifixion. But thats just me.

I disagree, she wants the public to believe that they believe Caylee is alive as a way of building Casey's defense that she really did *misplace* her and doesn't know *where Caylee's at*. The family's actions (or inaction as it stands) does not show that they believe that Caylee is with us and if they did, they sure don't show very much interest in finding her (dead or alive) JMO

[luvinlife]

I think the main reason I have trouble with compassion for the Anthonys is that while they're doing whatever it is they're supposedly doing -- existing in denial and grief, showing unconditional love for Casey, whatever and whatever -- there's less and less chance the cause of Caylee's death will ever be uncovered, much less her remains.

They are doing the ultimate disservice to Caylee by refusing to accept the reality of the situation. How can Caylee be so unimportant in all this? Is it okay that she'll NEVER come home, that she'll NEVER be found?

I just don't get it, but I put much of the responsibility for it at George and Cindy's feet.


While I admit the Anthony's can be frustrating and say stupid things I for one still feel for them. It is just who I am I guess.
I believe everyone has the right to their opinion, but I must disagree with you last stmt I hold Casey solely responsible for Caylee not being found.

[Boxer]

Do you really believe they think Caylee is alive now? I can forgive them for believing Caylee was alive right up until the forensics came in but I can't forgive them their behavior now. Thank goodness I'm not God and my forgiveness means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. But what about you, do you think Caylee is alive? Do you think the Anthonys think Caylee is alive? And, where do you think Lee is and why has he been absent lately? I'm not picking at you. Oh, yes I am because you epress a contrary view and that's what makes these boards so interesting. But, I trust you know that it's not personal. JMO.


What I can't forgive is calling Nancy Grace's show and telling the world of watchers following this case with tearful eyes and open heart...NO, I do not want any more searchers.

Remember George's rant at the jail in the parking lot...threatening to attack people for merely asking about the reports of decomp in the trunk?

They only want a live Caylee so they can get their lives back on merely dysfunctional instead of full blown insanity.

[rosejustrose]

Yes, I recall the many times you have stated that. Tim still has the ability to show them compassion, from what I've seen.


Why can't the Anthonys show compassion first, apologize and move on from there? Why is that you think Tim needs to make the first move? Tim has lost a daughter. He was on his own in trying to find her. His daughter's case wasnt' showcased on NG everynight. No one helped him, no one believed him that his daughter was in trouble, he was on his own. Please, please dont' try to compare Tim's plight to the Anthony's. It just really isn't fair and it just really is insulting. IMO.

[Dogmatic]

That part really confused me. "We're watching them" and "They're watching us." And, to protect Caylee (and Casey?) they can't say who and where, and evidently can't tell even LE. So, of course, would not address Zanny on national TV. If that all is the case, why would they bring the case to the attention of the media @ all? Wouldn't any attention have put Caylee in jeopardy?

We know their names are Zenaida and Sam and know what they drive, but we can't beg them to return our granddaughter??????????????????

Just don't get it

[msjoni]

IMO, if Casey had the resources she would have gotten rid of Caylee via an abortion. It's just that her stunted maturity didn't allow her to realize that having a baby is having a baby, just like it didn't allow her to realize that dead is dead. JMO.

I also think that the Anthony's live in denial and Casey really didn't think she was pregnant...they don't believe Caylee is dead...they live in there own little world...Fantasyland...:shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

I could not imagine living like that. I don't understand why George and Cindy choose to behave like they do. Lying, telling the public to get off their butts when they won't etc. But yeah, to not be able to feel safe in your home when you are not guilty of a crime, or to not be able to walk in your own yard and feel safe is terrible.

Peaceful sign holding, ok. But throwing things at the home, yelling, confronting, none of that is helpful.

Every now and then in the quiet of the night a ball will hit our house from children playing, or a neighbor will yell for no aggressive reason, perhaps partying a bit. It can startle even though there is no threat, and your brain understands fairly quickly what happened. But imagine hearing things hit your home, or hearing yelling you know is directed at you, by people you do not know all night. Your system is in fight or flight mode all day and all night. That is in addition to the horrible stress they are already going through.

IMOThat makes sense, but going out there and yelling back while carrying a Hammer and a bat does nothing to alleviate the situation. It's a two-way street, imo.

[hamebone]

Exactly. I believe she was in this alone for 31 days. With nobody to mimic.

ITA....:beer:

[crymeariver2006]

CW knows why she banned Flamom and she knows I'm here as Flmom..wasnt a secret...are you dissing CW and her judgement?

Flamom was banned for a typo. I explained this to CW and she give me this name....maybe you should take your complaint to CW email inbox.


How on earth would someone who just joined in Sept know anything about yours or anybody's former nics?

:D

[Boxer]

As long as nobody knew she had lost her child. She could delay the inevitable show she would have to put on.

she still had her supermom extra key in her pocket too

[Pebbles]

The strangest thing about this whole case is that Cindy is not using the media to beg Zenaida to return Caylee.
If she truly believes Casey's story, why isn't she reaching out to Zenaida?

:beer: I bet if she reads this, she will start doing that now.

[msjoni]

Oh you're Flamom?
Welcome back! You were organizing a search weren't you?
How did that go?

Flamom, or Flmom, I have always enjoyed your posts! Glad you're back!!!:seeya:

[Armchairdet]

That makes sense, but going out there and yelling back while carrying a Hammer and a bat does nothing to alleviate the situation. It's a two-way street, imo.

Oh, I agree. But just imagine being in fight or flight mode all the time. I am not defending them actually, just pointing out how any human may act. Not would act, but may. Yes, in fight or flight mode you can choose flight. But to where? If you feel threatened all the time and you cannot escape it, what do you do?

I don't know, just kind of thinking and typing.


:rose: Caylee

[deep*fear]

Oh you're Flamom?
Welcome back! You were organizing a search weren't you?
How did that go?

I think you have posters confused. Daddy's Girl was organizing a search and 4 or 5 of our posters here joined Tim in his search.

[Amy]

I'm one of the few who still thinks it was an accident. At least I am still leaning that way. However, nothing would surprise me.

Before anyone starts, yeh yeh yeh...I know the arguments against an accident...partying it up at Fusion, NO call to 911, happy as a lark afterwards, all the lies....and blah blah. I think Casey is truthfully so far beyond our comprehension mentally that all of that is not shocking to me, after an accidental death. And I believe she loved Caylee. So throw rocks, I'm ready. :D

(Caveat: I'm not TIED to a theory, I can be swayed by concrete proof.)


I am another of the few. After having spent 7 months with a girl who does not know how to parent her little one, and seeing her get angry @ a little tyke who has no clue why.....I can see Casey not watching her in the pool, or on a balcony or even using the car as a playpen when she partied...not taking the time to think thru what COULD happen. And, being frantic @ the moment of discovery, then finding a way to hide it all, then, with no more worries, just on to the next party.

I CAN see her taking Caylee away from Cindy, just to "show" her she could, to punish Cindy. The girl in my home does it all the time. You psssss her off, and you don't get to see her little one til she thinks you have suffered enough.

[spiritwolf46]

How on earth would someone who just joined in Sept know anything about yours or anybody's former nics?

:D


LOL! You took the question right out of my mouth!!!!!!!

:rose: For Caylee

[msjoni]

How on earth would someone who just joined in Sept know anything about yours or anybody's former nics?

:D

Seriously, how would she know?

[Armchairdet]

As long as nobody knew she had lost her child. She could delay the inevitable show she would have to put on.

Once caught she should have been crying and begging for help from LE. IMO

[poplife]

It's really so hard to grasp having no emotions- is that not quite it? Cause she must feel happy at times, right? I can list the traits of a sociopath off to you like a textbook, but I still can't grasp it completely. For instance, her crying in court seemed sincere. Don't blast me for that last sentence...

I really need it explained to me in dumber layman's terms, I guess. :shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

The pictures of her and Caylee, certainly display an image of a loving relationship, imo.Caylee looks scared in some of those pictures, imo.

[rosejustrose]

I'm one of the few who still thinks it was an accident. At least I am still leaning that way. However, nothing would surprise me.

Before anyone starts, yeh yeh yeh...I know the arguments against an accident...partying it up at Fusion, NO call to 911, happy as a lark afterwards, all the lies....and blah blah. I think Casey is truthfully so far beyond our comprehension mentally that all of that is not shocking to me, after an accidental death. And I believe she loved Caylee. So throw rocks, I'm ready. :D

(Caveat: I'm not TIED to a theory, I can be swayed by concrete proof.)

As I see it there are three choices 1) Casey sold Caylee to someone and she's out there living somewhere else with someone never mentioned to LE; 2) Casey accidentally killed her and disposed of her little, tiny body and continued on with the party life or 3) Casey deliberately killed her because she, well, felt like getting rid of Casey. I just can't think of any othe reason. Let's start with scenario 1. Not likely. Too much publicity and the family who bought Caylee would have come forward by now. Senario 2 - OK, she loses her temper, puts her in the trunk, Caylee falls out a window, chokes on a piece of candy, drowns in the pool, any number of accidental scenarios and Casey doesn't call the police or tell anyone for 31 days. But where is Caylee and how does she get there. Well, obviously, Casey covered up the accident. Scenario 3 - IMO the most likely. Casey is confronted by her mother over the theft of funds from the GGP and her lies, its a brutal agurment, Casey leaves, takes Caylee, Caylee looks at her wrong or says something wrong while Casey is enraged, goodbye Caylee. But where is Caylee and how does she get there. Well, obviously, Casey covered up her murder. I think scenario 2 or 3 is the most likely. I'm leaning towards 3. That tramp murdered her little girl, IMO.

[Amy]

And I think they have it within their power to have that webcam taken down. All they have to do is face reality and make their daughter talk. Send her butt back to jail and find Caylee. It's really a very simple solution. Just find Caylee. I sincerely don't think they are doing anything to find that little girl. I most definitely do not think that Casey, out of jail, is helping at all. IIRC, that was the primary reason for having her released. You see, in my simple little mind, this case is real simple, tell the truth, find Caylee, let her have the decent burial she deserves and move on. Casey won't even do that much for her child. My God, what does it take to move that girl out from in front of her mirror? JMO.


A party? But, guess that isn't on her allowed list, so sit in front of the mirror, she will. :D

[Pebbles]

Was that you that volunteered to trim the palm trees this morning?

:biggrin:



:lol: My palm trees need trimming too! Oops, sorry I forgot I am not the Anthonys.

Do the donations pay for the trimming?

[Joan Weiss]

No rocks from me! As I said yesterday ..It appears as though her non-actions after the fact are premeditation. I see it differently.. or rather I see the possibility that after the initial incident or accident.. she panicked and did nothing. With every moment that went by after that it became both easier and harder. Harder to report it without looking guilty for having delayed. And easier to just let it ride until she got caught. I'm sure she never imagined it would take 31 days for that to happen.I think she was planning to go to CA, if Tony didn't work out. CA was her back-up plan. Her plans got messed up because Amy led Cindy to the lair. imo

[Boxer]

As I see it there are three choices 1) Casey sold Caylee to someone and she's out there living somewhere else with someone never mentioned to LE; 2) Casey accidentally killed her and disposed of her little, tiny body and continued on with the party life or 3) Casey deliberately killed her because she, well, felt like getting rid of Casey. I just can't think of any othe reason. Let's start with scenario 1. Not likely. Too much publicity and the family who bought Caylee would have come forward by now. Senario 2 - OK, she loses her temper, puts her in the trunk, Caylee falls out a window, chokes on a piece of candy, drowns in the pool, any number of accidental scenarios and Casey doesn't call the police or tell anyone for 31 days. But where is Caylee and how does she get there. Well, obviously, Casey covered up the accident. Scenario 3 - IMO the most likely. Casey is confronted by her mother over the theft of funds from the GGP and her lies, its a brutal agurment, Casey leaves, takes Caylee, Caylee looks at her wrong or says something wrong while Casey is enraged, goodbye Caylee. But where is Caylee and how does she get there. Well, obviously, Casey covered up her murder. I think scenario 2 or 3 is the most likely. I'm leaning towards 3. That tramp murdered her little girl, IMO.


Caylee probably asked for her Gramma or maybe just a cookie

[Armchairdet]

:lol: My palm trees need trimming too! Oops, sorry I forgot I am not the Anthonys.

Do the donations pay for the trimming?

I already said, they sent in a psychic to read their palms.

J/K

I think it is possible it is part of their HOA fees, or perhaps a yard maintinance service they pay for.

[impartial]

I am another of the few. After having spent 7 months with a girl who does not know how to parent her little one, and seeing her get angry @ a little tyke who has no clue why.....I can see Casey not watching her in the pool, or on a balcony or even using the car as a playpen when she partied...not taking the time to think thru what COULD happen. And, being frantic @ the moment of discovery, then finding a way to hide it all, then, with no more worries, just on to the next party.

I CAN see her taking Caylee away from Cindy, just to "show" her she could, to punish Cindy. The girl in my home does it all the time. You psssss her off, and you don't get to see her little one til she thinks you have suffered enough.


Heck, I had a nanny (no, I am not Casey) that put my twin boys in their little pool at age 2, and went into the house to do laundry ... when I confronted her, she said there was only a couple of feet of water in the pool. :cuss: She came highly recommended. Boot>>>butt.

[nutterbutter]

I also think that the Anthony's live in denial and Casey really didn't think she was pregnant...they don't believe Caylee is dead...they live in there own little world...Fantasyland...:shrug:
anthonyworld and anthonyspeak...........:shrug:
mo

[WillowInFlight]

Once caught she should have been crying and begging for help from LE. IMO

I wonder if Casey has any regrets?

[Joan Weiss]

I thought Casey had certain hours she could be out of the house. Maybe they went to the Olive Garden for a late lunch/early dinner. IMO. After all, it is Friday night.Maybe she went to jail.

[Amy]

I think the main reason I have trouble with compassion for the Anthonys is that while they're doing whatever it is they're supposedly doing -- existing in denial and grief, showing unconditional love for Casey, whatever and whatever -- there's less and less chance the cause of Caylee's death will ever be uncovered, much less her remains.

They are doing the ultimate disservice to Caylee by refusing to accept the reality of the situation. How can Caylee be so unimportant in all this? Is it okay that she'll NEVER come home, that she'll NEVER be found?

I just don't get it, but I put much of the responsibility for it at George and Cindy's feet.


IIRC, Cindy said something about not losing her daughter "too." Like, her granddaughter is already gone, nothing will bring her back. So, instead of worrying about Caylee, who is beyond help, focus on keeping Casey free from all harm (prison.) ?????

[dmh]

I never knew that about the red shirts, thank for that info.

I beleive the guys in the red shirts are the gardian angles. I beleive they started out in NY to protect the bad neighborhoods They are not cops just a private organazation. A peoples watch dogs

[Armchairdet]

I wonder if Casey has any regrets?

Besides getting caught?

[crymeariver2006]

I wonder if Casey has any regrets?

If she does, it's that she didn't leave town before Amy returned.

She already had THAT money, plus anything else she could get her hands on.

[msjoni]

:beer: I bet if she reads this, she will start doing that now.

If she does that then we'll know for sure she's on this board.....:eek:

[WillowInFlight]

Why did Casey not say she lost her the same day her mom found her at TonE's? Why did she even admit to anyone it had been 30 days unless she knew someone ELSE knew...hm.......

And why did she pick Lee to be the one she poured her heart out to. I wonder if Cindy didn't over hear Casey telling Lee, if Lee would have kept the secret.

[rosejustrose]

The pictures of her and Caylee, certainly display an image of a loving relationship, imo.

And that in and of itself is what makes this whole case so totally disturbing. How does a family go from the loving photos and videos captured at a point in time to where we are today? I have never ever believed a picuture tells a thousand words. In many of those photos it appears forced, almost sad, look again. There is no way to reconcile those photos of a happy family to the family we see today. Not my opinion, fact. Too many people want a picture perfect life and the Anthonys had it. In reality, well, I think we now know what that is like. Caylee is dead and that family is torn at the seams. IMO.

[poplife]

Hi Cin, yes, in the 400 pages, it's confirmed w/ the sign in sheet and nurses that the 15th is real.

[crymeariver2006]

I beleive the guys in the red shirts are the gardian angles. I beleive they started out in NY to protect the bad neighborhoods They are not cops just a private organazation. A peoples watch dogs

The Guardian Angels wear red berets (with white shirts I believe).

The guys in the red shirts on the cam were part of the media that swarmed Baez in the driveway.

[Armchairdet]

If she does that then we'll know for sure she's on this board.....:eek:

Have any of the media ever asked the Anthony family if they have a message for ZG?

[WillowInFlight]

I beleive the guys in the red shirts are the gardian angles. I beleive they started out in NY to protect the bad neighborhoods They are not cops just a private organazation. A peoples watch dogs

I think it was media as they were holding large cameras, and I am very familiar with the works of the GA.

[?noanswer]

Oh I see what you're saying and I was going to post something similar. She's really between a rock and a hard place now. If Caylee's body is ever found, how would they know whether it was an accident or murder? So in her warped way of thinking she must feel it's better to just lie completely....the Zenaida story. She's a piece o' work that's for sure. Incredible. She will be the subject of many, many studies for eons to come I think. Both in criminal history and in psychological journals.

If Caylee's body is found and a cause of death cannot be determined, then I think all of the Anthony's behavior could make a jury think it was murder. JMO

[rosejustrose]

They must not feel as if they want to give in to the demands of the public, in order to have their peace and privacy restored.
:shrug:

But what about finding their granddaughter. Surely they want Caylee found, dead or alive.

[Boxer]

If she does, it's that she didn't leave town before Amy returned.

She already had THAT money, plus anything else she could get her hands on.


bet she didn't count on having to ditch the dead smelling car...

[dmh]

I just heard on headline news that they have 3 more faurd charges pending on casey. Did anyone else hear that?

[WillowInFlight]

Besides getting caught?

Well yeah, I really wonder if there are days she wishes she could bring Caylee back.

[Boxer]

But what about finding their granddaughter. Surely they want Caylee found, dead or alive.

no, they don't. Only LIVE Caylees allowed

[crymeariver2006]

Maybe she went to jail.

She may still be at the house. Did anybody see her leave with Baez?

I think if she were back at the jail (as in the Anthonys getting some sense and coming off the bond), Baez would be shouting to the media "Look what you've done!" Don't you?

[rosejustrose]

Of course not, please repeat as many times as you want. I know I have. Its fortunate that the mod has allowed you to keep coming back after so many bannings. But I am happy you and your nic keep coming back.
:seeya:


That's really uncalled for and let's just stop the nonsense. The topic here is finding Caylee and trying to decifer why those closest to her are resisting any and all attempts at doing that. JMO.

[crymeariver2006]

I just heard on headline news that they have 3 more faurd charges pending on casey. Did anyone else hear that?

That's the formal charges of the walk in arrest on Monday.

[Amy]

IMO, if Casey had the resources she would have gotten rid of Caylee via an abortion. It's just that her stunted maturity didn't allow her to realize that having a baby is having a baby, just like it didn't allow her to realize that dead is dead. JMO.

Casey actually was going to do the responsible thing, and give her baby up for adoption....until her mother found out she was pregnant and talked or coerced her out of that idea.

[Dogmatic]

Have any of the media ever asked the Anthony family if they have a message for ZG?



No that I have heard.

[Joan Weiss]

Oh it's a good thing I'm not drinking my after-work glass of wine yet....it WOULD be on my monitor...:lol:You won't have to worry about your wine if this board gets closed down. :rolleyes:

[Pebbles]

I just heard on headline news that they have 3 more faurd charges pending on casey. Did anyone else hear that?




This is for the same charges that Casey went to jail on last week, LE is just doing the formal filing. She will not be going back to jail because she already was bonded out on the charges.

[Dogmatic]

So maybe I should post a thread to Cindy, George, Casey and Lee asking them to please use the media a method to speak to Zenaida.

[bcrmom]

I'm not positive where Grandpa lives, but I think I remember it was some sort of assisted living center. It's possible that LE has already confirmed that Caylee and Cindy were there on Fathers Day.

Casey could have had her dates off in that initial interview. Easy to get confused when you wait a month to report your kid missing............spew


I remember reading a news report that stated that LE actually visited the nursing home, checked the sign-in sheets and confirmed that they were indeed there on Father's Day.

It really is odd that she said the 9th, and her mom followed her lead on the date, I guess. Or, could be the other way around...maybe Cindy was the one to say when she thought was the last time she saw Caylee and Casey just went with that.

[Armchairdet]

No that I have heard.

I wonder why not. I think it is a fair question. Most families of kidnapped victims would be glad to answer it would they not?

[CinTN]

Hi Cin, yes, in the 400 pages, it's confirmed w/ the sign in sheet and nurses that the 15th is real.

:punch: OHHHHH so it was Casey that was lying ,,, DUH :punch:

[trich]

The strangest thing about this whole case is that Cindy is not using the media to beg Zenaida to return Caylee.
If she truly believes Casey's story, why isn't she reaching out to Zenaida?


Very good thought.
Have not heard it before but it makes perfect sense.
If you know who has your grandchild why not get on tv and beg
with tears in your eyes for the return of her.
I would have done that every day from the first day I knew my grandbaby was gone.

Somebody ought to ask Cindy why she is not out there begging Zenaida to have compassion and release Caylee.

Wish we knew a protester and could suggest they yell that to Cindy next time she comes out.

[rosejustrose]

I think the main reason I have trouble with compassion for the Anthonys is that while they're doing whatever it is they're supposedly doing -- existing in denial and grief, showing unconditional love for Casey, whatever and whatever -- there's less and less chance the cause of Caylee's death will ever be uncovered, much less her remains.

They are doing the ultimate disservice to Caylee by refusing to accept the reality of the situation. How can Caylee be so unimportant in all this? Is it okay that she'll NEVER come home, that she'll NEVER be found?

I just don't get it, but I put much of the responsibility for it at George and Cindy's feet.

ITA. Caylee has taken a back seat to Casey. The live girl they can see and touch. It is sad. If they truly believe that Caylee is alive I just can't fathom them sitting around the house doing nothing except waiting for nightfall to get into it with the protesters. My goodness, the protesters, themselves, are showing more energy in the search for Caylee than the entire Anthony family. Don't get me wrong. I would never want to be in their position and I do feel for their lose. However, I would hope I would retain a semblance of my intelligence to realize that there's only one person who coudl stop this and I would focus on that one person until I had my granddaughter back home. JMO.

[Boxer]

I remember reading a news report that stated that LE actually visited the nursing home, checked the sign-in sheets and confirmed that they were indeed there on Father's Day.

It really is odd that she said the 9th, and her mom followed her lead on the date, I guess. Or, could be the other way around...maybe Cindy was the one to say when she thought was the last time she saw Caylee and Casey just went with that.


Cindy told 911 that she had not seen Caylee since the 7th, then she changed the date to the 9th, then after confirming the visit, LE told her she had seen Caylee on the 15th.

[Armchairdet]

Well yeah, I really wonder if there are days she wishes she could bring Caylee back.

Probably. But maybe not for the reasons we would want to bring her back.

[Dogmatic]

I wonder why not. I think it is a fair question. Most families of kidnapped victims would be glad to answer it would they not?


o.k., here goes:

GOERGE, LEE, CASEY AND CINDY:



If you are reading this, please tell us all why you aren't utilizing the media to reach out to Zenaida. If you truly believe Zenaida has your granddaughter, please at least beg for her return.

[bcrmom]

Casey actually was going to do the responsible thing, and give her baby up for adoption....until her mother found out she was pregnant and talked or coerced her out of that idea.

It probably would have been the best thing for Caylee, but I don't think Casey would have made the decision because it was the responsible thing to do. It would have been because it was easier and more convenient for Casey to get rid of the burder as soon as possible. IMO

[WillowInFlight]

I remember reading a news report that stated that LE actually visited the nursing home, checked the sign-in sheets and confirmed that they were indeed there on Father's Day.

It really is odd that she said the 9th, and her mom followed her lead on the date, I guess. Or, could be the other way around...maybe Cindy was the one to say when she thought was the last time she saw Caylee and Casey just went with that.

And why would she say a date, why not just say Father's day?

[crymeariver2006]

Great Idea ...since they have never addressed any kidnappers at all.

That's not how "people working outside the normal scope of things" operate.

Geez, don't you know nuttin'?????

:punch:

[Dogmatic]

Very good thought.
Have not heard it before but it makes perfect sense.
If you know who has your grandchild why not get on tv and beg
with tears in your eyes for the return of her.
I would have done that every day from the first day I knew my grandbaby was gone.

Somebody ought to ask Cindy why she is not out there begging Zenaida to have compassion and release Caylee.

Wish we knew a protester and could suggest they yell that to Cindy next time she comes out.


Me too. A protester with a sign begging Zenaida to return the child.

[?noanswer]

Caylee looks scared in some of those pictures, imo.

That was my impression also when she was with the GGF. If she then went home and her mom and GM got into a big fight, I can just imagine how frightened she was.

I also wonder if the GGF can grasp all that is happening now. I know the extended family must be going thru H***.

JMO

[bcrmom]

Cindy told 911 that she had not seen Caylee since the 7th, then she changed the date to the 9th, then after confirming the visit, LE told her she had seen Caylee on the 15th.


TY I'd forgotten that she stated the 7th on the 911 call. So Casey made up the 9th and Cindy went with it?

[Libertie]

:confused:Horrifyingly sad..........I should never have watched it.

giving my baby extra hugs and kisses right now.

[dmh]

This is for the same charges that Casey went to jail on last week, LE is just doing the formal filing. She will not be going back to jail because she already was bonded out on the charges.

Thanks. Just wishfull hopping I guess. Wanted to see her to to jail again

[Boxer]

TY I'd forgotten that she stated the 7th on the 911 call. So Casey made up the 9th and Cindy went with it?

I don't know. I just know that if you (not you, the general you, lol) are lying, you might need another lie when that does not work out, then maybe another lie to fix the second and so on and so on...

[trich]

Me too. A protester with a sign begging Zenaida to return the child.



Wonder if anyone could get through to Nancy tonight and suggest
Why Cindy has not begged the kidnappers for Caylee's release?

[poplife]

Has Baez' interview from today shown up anywhere yet?

[WillowInFlight]

That was my impression also when she was with the GGF. If she then went home and her mom and GM got into a big fight, I can just imagine how frightened she was.

I also wonder if the GGF can grasp all that is happening now. I know the extended family must be going thru H***.

JMO

I have said from day one after seeing the picture of Caylee and her ggf that she looked terrified, a lot of posters said that some children get that way around the elderly.

[Rayosunshine]

CW knows why she banned Flamom and she knows I'm here as Flmom..wasnt a secret...are you dissing CW and her judgement?

Flamom was banned for a typo. I explained this to CW and she give me this name....maybe you should take your complaint to CW email inbox.


I remember that flmom. Glad you're back.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Dogmatic]

Wonder if anyone could get through to Nancy tonight and suggest
Why Cindy has not begged the kidnappers for Caylee's release?

I don't know how?????

[Armchairdet]

o.k., here goes:

GOERGE, LEE, CASEY AND CINDY:



If you are reading this, please tell us all why you aren't utilizing the media to reach out to Zenaida. If you truly believe Zenaida has your granddaughter, please at least beg for her return.



Oh, and the next time you make salsa for a family party, chop up the jalapeno peppers, and rub your eyes before you go outside, or before you head out to Lawyer land Casey. You see, it will make water come out of your eyes. Those are called tears. People would like to see you shed them.

[msjoni]

I wonder if Casey has any emotions at all?

Only for herself....

[day2day]

ITA. Caylee has taken a back seat to Casey. The live girl they can see and touch. It is sad. If they truly believe that Caylee is alive I just can't fathom them sitting around the house doing nothing except waiting for nightfall to get into it with the protesters. My goodness, the protesters, themselves, are showing more energy in the search for Caylee than the entire Anthony family. Don't get me wrong. I would never want to be in their position and I do feel for their lose. However, I would hope I would retain a semblance of my intelligence to realize that there's only one person who coudl stop this and I would focus on that one person until I had my granddaughter back home. JMO.

Caylee has taken a backseat to Casey, protestors, the search fund, the guardian angels, crime scene tape and no trespassing signs.
It makes me so mad.

jmo

[bluwaters]

Why can't the Anthonys show compassion first, apologize and move on from there? Why is that you think Tim needs to make the first move? Tim has lost a daughter. He was on his own in trying to find her. His daughter's case wasnt' showcased on NG everynight. No one helped him, no one believed him that his daughter was in trouble, he was on his own. Please, please dont' try to compare Tim's plight to the Anthony's. It just really isn't fair and it just really is insulting. IMO.

Hi Rose

I also think very highly of Tim Miller. He went through a very difficult period in his life when he lost his daughter Laura and LE considered her a runaway. His life fell apart and continued to decline after Laura's body was found. His marriage dissolved and he fell into a deep depression.
TM was initially angry with Cindy and felt that he had been called in by someone who had no compunction for wasting his time and resources. His services are in demand and there were others asking for his help at the time. When OCSO called and asked him to stay, he was re energized and so were over a thousand volunteers.
Despite the fact that Cindy insulted TM by saying that he had misrepresented himself and that he had come to Orlando only to promote his non-profit organization, Tim himself has compassion for Cindy. He did apologize for his statements when he was angry. He did compare himself to Cindy in her grief and said that he understood why the family does not want to believe that Caylee is dead. I thought that Tim was more than gracious in forgiving Cindy for refusing to cooperate with him.
Sadly, as Tim knows himself, the evidence does not point to Caylee being alive. After meeting with LE, Tim believes that Caylee's body is somewhere in the Orlando area. He is very skilled at finding the missing and does sometimes find living people. Cindy refused to help him in any way.
Tim has apologized and is compassionate towards the Anthony's. It would be nice if Cindy could show him some courtesy and gratitude.
Just a simple apology would be a good start.
Unfortunately, Cindy doesn't seem to have the capacity to treat those trying to help with appreciation. She didn't agree with Tim that Caylee's body is the best that can be hoped for now. At least, it would seem that she would be glad to know the areas that Tim eliminated.

jmho

[Joan Weiss]

As long as nobody knew she had lost her child. She could delay the inevitable show she would have to put on.But she WAS putting on a show, imo. The show was that she was free, easy, and having a beautiful life. In reality, time was running out. I think she knew that. imo

[Pebbles]

Will the vigil be held as usual on Sunday?

I get upset with the vigil because I feel it is more for sympathy for the Anthonys than it is for Caylee.

The Anthonys want the media, no they want the media to go away, wait they want the media, no the media are maggots, wait they want the media, no the media is paying the protesters, wait they are holding a vigil, they want the media to be there!:shrug:

If the Anthonys really want peace and quiet for their neighbors, then stop holding the vigils in your driveway, or at least find an open area away from your home to have it.

[rosejustrose]

i don't know if you have me on ignore or not...but can you tell me about this shocking news? Other people have posted as much...where did it come from? Maybe I missed something? Thanks if you can clarify.
TES never said they had something to release that woudl be "shocking" and LE never confirmed or denied the statements made by the TES spokewoman. I think we're in a wait and see mode on this one. JMO.

[Heyes]

o.k., here goes:

GOERGE, LEE, CASEY AND CINDY:



If you are reading this, please tell us all why you aren't utilizing the media to reach out to Zenaida. If you truly believe Zenaida has your granddaughter, please at least beg for her return.


Good Idea!!!!


Maybe george could slip this in right after his plea to the state of Florida to get him the names of the penny tossers!

[CinTN]

Wonder if anyone could get through to Nancy tonight and suggest
Why Cindy has not begged the kidnappers for Caylee's release?

They had already asked on NG a few nights ago WHY they didnt do a composite sketch of ZG .. I think it was the night the lie detector stuff came out,, the lawers (I think ) said cause there is no ZG ,, with sarcasm

[poplife]

this man went on Anthony property and put his sign on their doorstep b/c his dog's death is not being investigated b/c of the search for Caylee.

JMO, he sounds ill informed.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17511985/index.html

[Joan Weiss]

Oh, I agree. But just imagine being in fight or flight mode all the time. I am not defending them actually, just pointing out how any human may act. Not would act, but may. Yes, in fight or flight mode you can choose flight. But to where? If you feel threatened all the time and you cannot escape it, what do you do?

I don't know, just kind of thinking and typing.


:rose: CayleeYou put Casey's butt back in jail, and assist LE. Take a lie detector test, and plead for the public's fogiveness. Then you plead for everyone to come out and search wherever LE thinks Caylee may be. imo

[rosejustrose]

Hi Rose

I also think very highly of Tim Miller. He went through a very difficult period in his life when he lost his daughter Laura and LE considered her a runaway. His life fell apart and continued to decline after Laura's body was found. His marriage dissolved and he fell into a deep depression.
TM was initially angry with Cindy and felt that he had been called in by someone who had no compunction for wasting his time and resources. His services are in demand and there were others asking for his help at the time. When OCSO called and asked him to stay, he was re energized and so were over a thousand volunteers.
Despite the fact that Cindy insulted TM by saying that he had misrepresented himself and that he had come to Orlando only to promote his non-profit organization, Tim himself has compassion for Cindy. He did apologize for his statements when he was angry. He did compare himself to Cindy in her grief and said that he understood why the family does not want to believe that Caylee is dead. I thought that Tim was more than gracious in forgiving Cindy for refusing to cooperate with him.
Sadly, as Tim knows himself, the evidence does not point to Caylee being alive. After meeting with LE, Tim believes that Caylee's body is somewhere in the Orlando area. He is very skilled at finding the missing and does sometimes find living people. Cindy refused to help him in any way.
Tim has apologized and is compassionate towards the Anthony's. It would be nice if Cindy could show him some courtesy and gratitude.
Just a simple apology would be a good start.
Unfortunately, Cindy doesn't seem to have the capacity to treat those trying to help with appreciation. She didn't agree with Tim that Caylee's body is the best that can be hoped for now. At least, it would seem that she would be glad to know the areas that Tim eliminated.

jmho


Thanks, sweetie, for making my point. Big hugs being sent your way{}

[Pebbles]

Caylee has taken a backseat to Casey, protestors, the search fund, the guardian angels, crime scene tape and no trespassing signs.
It makes me so mad.

jmo




Excellent post and so true. Isn't that sad!

[rosejustrose]

Thanks Rose...I still have that song in my brain. Goodness. :D
What did the TES spokesperson say? has she been found? I guess I am confused...

She basically said that there was information to be released that would shock people and the TES would be back one way or the other. Nothing earth shattering but it sure did grow some legs, IMO.

[Joan Weiss]

How on earth would someone who just joined in Sept know anything about yours or anybody's former nics?

:D

LOL! You took the question right out of my mouth!!!!!!!

:rose: For Caylee

Seriously, how would she know?

Very true.You all seem intent on getting the board closed down, imo. Can we please move on?

[bchand]

Did anyone notice in the 911 call that Caysey said there were about 1/2 dozen people she could see from their surveillance cameras. Wouldn't we have seen a company install this system, since the media has been on the house since day 1. Unless the cameras are inside and looking outside the glass (which usually makes a horrible pic if the lights are on and the glare from the glass).

Or....is this another one of Casey's lies -- since she said to LE "you can get the video from channel 2".

Most surveillance systems have tapes -- and they could easily show that to LE from inside the house.

SO -- if the Anthony's have a SS -- I wonder where those cameras are positioned outside the house.

Just more curious thoughts??

We did see them installing the surveillance camera. I was thinking about that today. They probably sit in the house just watching the protesters, making comments etc.

As far as the vigil, I read today that someone (I forget who) is suggesting that the Anthony's stop holding it right in front of their house since it seems to incite more trouble.

[GrandmaGA]

Did anyone notice in the 911 call that Caysey said there were about 1/2 dozen people she could see from their surveillance cameras. Wouldn't we have seen a company install this system, since the media has been on the house since day 1. Unless the cameras are inside and looking outside the glass (which usually makes a horrible pic if the lights are on and the glare from the glass).

Or....is this another one of Casey's lies -- since she said to LE "you can get the video from channel 2".

Most surveillance systems have tapes -- and they could easily show that to LE from inside the house.

SO -- if the Anthony's have a SS -- I wonder where those cameras are positioned outside the house.

Just more curious thoughts??


Some of us did see the installing the surveillance camera.

"Later that Saturday, a security company showed up at the home to install cameras around the home."

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/9/6/evidence_taken_from_george_anthony39s_car.html

[rosejustrose]

Good Idea!!!!


Maybe george could slip this in right after his plea to the state of Florida to get him the names of the penny tossers!

I honestly don't think these people realize what idiots they are making of themselves. IMO.

[msjoni]

no, they don't. Only LIVE Caylees allowed

Which really boggles my mind...I couldn't live not knowing...I would rather know they were dead then wonder forever what happened to them...I think most people would agree....

[spiritwolf46]

You all seem intent on getting the board closed down, imo. Can we please move on?

I pretty much thought that it WAS a dead subject until now, again. No disrespect meant, but no need to rehash it either. :seeya: So, YES, we can and will move on.

Thanks!

[rosejustrose]

You put Casey's butt back in jail, and assist LE. Take a lie detector test, and plead for the public's fogiveness. Then you plead for everyone to come out and search wherever LE thinks Caylee may be. imo

:punch:right upside your head for being logical. Totally uncalled for, IMO.:D

[Joan Weiss]

That was my impression also when she was with the GGF. If she then went home and her mom and GM got into a big fight, I can just imagine how frightened she was.

I also wonder if the GGF can grasp all that is happening now. I know the extended family must be going thru H***.

JMOI would say it's all been kept from him. What good would it do to tell him? Just cause illness, imo.

[day2day]

TES never said they had something to release that woudl be "shocking" and LE never confirmed or denied the statements made by the TES spokewoman. I think we're in a wait and see mode on this one. JMO.

I read from a VERY reliable poster at WS who has talked to Tim and asked had Caylee's body been found. He said no. :(...

BUT like my bf said..that doesn't mean they haven't found something VERY important to this case. And are just biding their time...

JMO and NOT FACT....

[rosejustrose]

Which really boggles my mind...I couldn't live not knowing...I would rather know they were dead then wonder forever what happened to them...I think most people would agree....

ITA, msjoni! I would be pulling my hair out and imagining things that woudl drive me crazy. I would have an absolute need to know. I have such deep compassion for people who have lost someone and don't know what happened to them. The imagination can be and probably is their worse enemy, IMO. In this case, they know. JMO.

[beetlebrow]

TY I'd forgotten that she stated the 7th on the 911 call. So Casey made up the 9th and Cindy went with it?

This is something that has always bothered me....they had until the next day (6/16) to figure out when they last saw Caylee. Even Cindy said on Greta that they stayed up all night.....

No one is that stupid........the ONLY thing IMO it could be is a cover up.........but WHAT DIFFERENCE would 6/9 have made?????

Maybe its the stuff on Caseys computer or the phone calls????

[bcrmom]

I don't know. I just know that if you (not you, the general you, lol) are lying, you might need another lie when that does not work out, then maybe another lie to fix the second and so on and so on...

Dat's exactly why I don't lie. I'm tooooo lazy to bother with keeping up with all that. It's just not worth it for even a "half-truth". Besides, it's like I always told my kids, you're gonna need me to believe you one day, and if you've ever lied to me even once, I won't be able to fully believe you when it really counts.

Of course they had to find out the hard way that I wasn't lying 'bout dat. :tongue:

[beetlebrow]

This is something that has always bothered me....they had until the next day (6/16) to figure out when they last saw Caylee. Even Cindy said on Greta that they stayed up all night.....

No one is that stupid........the ONLY thing IMO it could be is a cover up.........but WHAT DIFFERENCE would 6/9 have made?????

Maybe its the stuff on Caseys computer or the phone calls????

OOPS...I mean 7-16

[Armchairdet]

this man went on Anthony property and put his sign on their doorstep b/c his dog's death is not being investigated b/c of the search for Caylee.

JMO, he sounds ill informed.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17511985/index.html

Thanks for posting that. Yeah, I don't know what to do with that. At first I was kind of mad about it, but I think his overall point though probably not put as well as it could have been is an interesting one.

How much manpower and for how long is this case going to take? All because Casey will not cooperate and tell where Caylee is.

It's about the dog, but it isn't. That is how I saw it.

[rosejustrose]

I pretty much thought that it WAS a dead subject until now, again. No disrespect meant, but no need to rehash it either. :seeya: So, YES, we can and will move on.

Thanks!

I have no idea what you all are talking about but I do know it has nothing to do with Caylee. I respectfully ask that we pick up that discussion. OK, guys?:patriot:

[Ionmhainn]

And why would she say a date, why not just say Father's day?


I drove myself up the wall last night thinking about the subject of dates! Listening to the snippets of the tapes on NG is actually helping me make a little more "sense" of things. Or at least, helping me to consider some points! When Casey talks about not having seen Caylee since the 9th, she does mention her mother and Caylee visiting GGP the day before.
Don't ask me to explain why ...she ...would forget the date...but...IF Cindy visits her father regularly, that might explain her (Cindy's) confusion. Just another Sunday visit ...at the time? I don't think she disputed LE finding that it was actually the 15th.
mo

[bluwaters]

this man went on Anthony property and put his sign on their doorstep b/c his dog's death is not being investigated b/c of the search for Caylee.

JMO, he sounds ill informed.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17511985/index.html

I don't know that he is ill informed. The one thing that I wish he had said is that Casey is the reason that officers are being called off of other cases to investigate. If only he had stated that if Casey would come clean, the OCSO would not have to put so many of their already stretched resources onto the search for Caylee.
Sad dog stories upset me. I can't imagine if someone harmed my dog. :(

[CinTN]

It would be pretty hard to have missed the party animal collection. But I wasn't talking about those, I was referring to the pictures of Casey and Caylee, and imo, they display an image of a loving relationship. I'll go further to include George and Cindy.

ITA ,, in a few of the pics I have seen it doers seem like she is happy and a loving mom,, which makes me think something was either ..

1) Done out of spite to her mom/parents

or

2) It was an accident , from what she has said during the interrogation with LE at universal she is really worried about what her mom would think.. then the child welfare.



But I am really curious as to WHY she called that guy in Cali that day she ran out of gas,, I am wanting to know more about this having help theory thats out now..

Have the phone records been released to the public..?

[WillowInFlight]

Rose, I thought it was Lenny who said that about the shocking info? He said it would rock the world and that the Anthony's already knew what the info was. A lot of posters thought he was talking about the Chloroform.

[rosejustrose]

It would be pretty hard to have missed the party animal collection. But I wasn't talking about those, I was referring to the pictures of Casey and Caylee, and imo, they display an image of a loving relationship. I'll go further to include George and Cindy.

Please see my previous post and tell me what you think went wrong because something definitely went wrong. Even you can't deny that, IMO.

[steffaroob4]

Sheriff's Office Wants To Prosecute People Who Taunted George Anthony (http://www.wftv.com/news/17515488/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news)
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The violent protesters confronting Casey Anthony outside her house will no longer be tolerated. Late Friday afternoon, the sheriff's office told Eyewitness News it's going to push for prosecuting people who taunted and provoked the grandfather of Caylee Anthony.

[Joan Weiss]

As usual whenever there is a lack of information or nothing significant the board goes the way of the wonk handing out the personal insults at other posters.

I am wondering why it is that LE may only be focusing on the 15th of June and the 16th...For the car to stink as badly as it supposedly did...Caylee's poor little body had to have been in the trunk for more than a day or two. JMO.Neil Entwistle's wife and baby were in a second floor bedroom, under a blanket. The temperature in the house was 65 degrees. LE started their search in the basement approximately 36 hours after the crime. LE smelled the bodies from the basement, and followed that smell up to the bedroom.

In Florida, in that hot trunk it could have been 8 to 24 hours, imo.

[rosejustrose]

I can't believe this. I have to get off of here for a while because of stupid stuff. I'll see you all later. I hope. I hope when I come back, Caylee will have been found.:rose:

[WillowInFlight]

Thanks for posting that. Yeah, I don't know what to do with that. At first I was kind of mad about it, but I think his overall point though probably not put as well as it could have been is an interesting one.

How much manpower and for how long is this case going to take? All because Casey will not cooperate and tell where Caylee is.

It's about the dog, but it isn't. That is how I saw it.

I think a lot of flack has been made that there are so many missing children out there not getting the attention that Caylee is getting. I noticed on NG last night she had a side banner showing missing children.

[Boxer]

It would be pretty hard to have missed the party animal collection. But I wasn't talking about those, I was referring to the pictures of Casey and Caylee, and imo, they display an image of a loving relationship. I'll go further to include George and Cindy.

There was a case in Minnesota years ago that was a family who could show you photo upon photo of what seemed a great relationship between mother and child. The last photo was taken by LE in the morgue and the bruises were terrible whre clothing could cover. He was 3.

[bchand]

It would be pretty hard to have missed the party animal collection. But I wasn't talking about those, I was referring to the pictures of Casey and Caylee, and imo, they display an image of a loving relationship. I'll go further to include George and Cindy.

Ah, but pictures can be soooo deceiving. Here's one of a loving family:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Bettychand/susansmith.jpg

[MoonHarvest]

I can't believe this. I have to get off of here for a while because of stupid stuff. I'll see you all later. I hope. I hope when I come back, Caylee will have been found.:rose:


Don't hold your breath.

[SavannahStar]

As I see it there are three choices 1) Casey sold Caylee to someone and she's out there living somewhere else with someone never mentioned to LE; 2) Casey accidentally killed her and disposed of her little, tiny body and continued on with the party life or 3) Casey deliberately killed her because she, well, felt like getting rid of Casey. I just can't think of any othe reason. Let's start with scenario 1. Not likely. Too much publicity and the family who bought Caylee would have come forward by now. Senario 2 - OK, she loses her temper, puts her in the trunk, Caylee falls out a window, chokes on a piece of candy, drowns in the pool, any number of accidental scenarios and Casey doesn't call the police or tell anyone for 31 days. But where is Caylee and how does she get there. Well, obviously, Casey covered up the accident. Scenario 3 - IMO the most likely. Casey is confronted by her mother over the theft of funds from the GGP and her lies, its a brutal agurment, Casey leaves, takes Caylee, Caylee looks at her wrong or says something wrong while Casey is enraged, goodbye Caylee. But where is Caylee and how does she get there. Well, obviously, Casey covered up her murder. I think scenario 2 or 3 is the most likely. I'm leaning towards 3. That tramp murdered her little girl, IMO.

I lean toward #2, and oh yes, certainly....Casey covered up the accident (if scenario #2 is correct). And THAT is exactly why, even though I believe it was accidental, she should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. I don't think murder one will ever be proven.....although the CE in this case for murder one is almost overwhelming, for most people. I doubt if it would fly in a court of law without a body though. Manslaughter maybe. No one will ever believe a total accident, I don't think, unless like me they believe she's SO wacked out she doesn't behave as a normal person would after an accident.

It's truly a fascinating case, when one takes emotion out of it. Which is very difficult to do, granted.

[Armchairdet]

I don't know that he is ill informed. The one thing that I wish he had said is that Casey is the reason that officers are being called off of other cases to investigate. If only he had stated that if Casey would come clean, the OCSO would not have to put so many of their already stretched resources onto the search for Caylee.
Sad dog stories upset me. I can't imagine if someone harmed my dog. :(

Oddly, right after I posted in response to this video local news (central Florida) had a story about a man that tortured his neighbors poodle. They matched DNA and caught him. So, anyway while slightly off topic it does show other lower priority cases are being solved. I wish he would have worded it better too, as I posted. But I kind of felt that that was what he meant. If he does bring back the photo, perhaps he will elaborate more on that.

[SavannahStar]

I haven't been able to be on here hardly any this past week d/t Hurricane Ike, but I was going to ask where Daddy's Girl is. I haven't seen her the little bit I've been on.

She was on very early this morning. Unlike moi she doesn't seem to be on here 24/7 though. :D

[Joan Weiss]

We did see them installing the surveillance camera. I was thinking about that today. They probably sit in the house just watching the protesters, making comments etc.

As far as the vigil, I read today that someone (I forget who) is suggesting that the Anthony's stop holding it right in front of their house since it seems to incite more trouble.Ha, ha...they're watching us watching them. This is getting too crazy. imo

[Acorn]

Sheriff's Office Wants To Prosecute People Who Taunted George Anthony (http://www.wftv.com/news/17515488/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news)
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The violent protesters confronting Casey Anthony outside her house will no longer be tolerated. Late Friday afternoon, the sheriff's office told Eyewitness News it's going to push for prosecuting people who taunted and provoked the grandfather of Caylee Anthony.

I wish they wanted to prosecute the A's for the times they've been violent. Even when they wield hammers and bats.

Just stay inside, stay inside, stay inside.

[Armchairdet]

I think a lot of flack has been made that there are so many missing children out there not getting the attention that Caylee is getting. I noticed on NG last night she had a side banner showing missing children.

I don't always watch NG. But I think if she just went over new developments once, and did not rehash all the old stuff, she could help other families with the time left over. I would like that. IMO.

[bchand]

No. The webcam shut down and when it came back on Jose car was gone , so we don't know if Casey left with him or not.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17515488/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news

Friday was the first time since Casey had been out of jail that she didn't leave her home to meet with her attorney. She stayed home instead and attorney Jose Baez came to her.

[SavannahStar]

If Caylee's body is found and a cause of death cannot be determined, then I think all of the Anthony's behavior could make a jury think it was murder. JMO

I just answered another post along those lines. I agree, except I don't include the entire family's behavior, only Casey's.

[Lilly12]

What I can't forgive is calling Nancy Grace's show and telling the world of watchers following this case with tearful eyes and open heart...NO, I do not want any more searchers.

Remember George's rant at the jail in the parking lot...threatening to attack people for merely asking about the reports of decomp in the trunk?

They only want a live Caylee so they can get their lives back on merely dysfunctional instead of full blown insanity.


I would think that any mother/grandparent, or love one would want people searching for their loved one, alive or dead. I just do not get it. As hard as it would be to discover a deceased Caylee, I would have to know one way or the other, and bring her home.
To me compassion is as compason does. Something like you have to show respect, to receive respect. In my mind, Cindy show no compassion for Caylee and she receives none from me. moo

[trich]

I don't know how?????


There is a 1-800 number on the corner of the screen when she is on but I do not remember what it is.
Plus you have to wait for so long it seems because of so many people calling.
I would try but I would probably use all my cell phone minutes waiting on the phone....and I got rid of my land line because we never used it.

[CinTN]

Ah, but pictures can be soooo deceiving. Here's one of a loving family:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Bettychand/susansmith.jpg


I KNEW FROM THE MINUTE THAT WOMAN OPENED HER MOUTH SHE WAS LYING !!!

Fake tears and everything ,, maybe thats why Casey is playing the Stone Cold B**ch role ,, figures she can get away with/play that part longer then trying to be sad and cry all the time.. get away with it till there is nothing left of that little girl to autopsy ...

[commonguymd]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17515488/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news

Friday was the first time since Casey had been out of jail that she didn't leave her home to meet with her attorney. She stayed home instead and attorney Jose Baez came to her.

Maybe she was mad at him for dissing her the other day by walking in front of her and just shoving the door open. She might be getting back at him by not spending the day with him for that. Baez, most likely, has hurt feelings and tried to reconcile with her.

[MyrDawn]

Sheriff's Office Wants To Prosecute People Who Taunted George Anthony (http://www.wftv.com/news/17515488/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news)
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The violent protesters confronting Casey Anthony outside her house will no longer be tolerated. Late Friday afternoon, the sheriff's office told Eyewitness News it's going to push for prosecuting people who taunted and provoked the grandfather of Caylee Anthony.


Thanks for posting that, Steff. I posted it in the links thread earlier, then got interrupted before I could post it here.

I do hope this cuts down on some of the criminals disguising themselves as "protestors". I'm afraid someone will be seriously injured if something isn't done soon. The way these things go, it's usually someone innocent that gets hurt, IMO.

[jessjam]

[QUOTE=Boxer;12149292]and she verbally on national television made it clear she wanted no searchers for a dead Caylee.
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QUOTE]

Yes, at that makes me feel compassion and sympathy for her, but not hate.

Lets be real though, the only person that would do this would be cindy anthony because I have never ever seen or heard anyone else doing what she did. Does not make me hate her but it does make me question motives and it just makes her look like she does not want to help just like her daughter. It is all lies, spins, and Cindy and the rest of the family is out of control and they all need some serious help. It is all just so damn sad and Cindy really needs to start thinking about Caylee and just love Casey from a distance and let her go and do the right thing. That is the only way she is going to be able to live with herself.

[WillowInFlight]

I just answered another post along those lines. I agree, except I don't include the entire family's behavior, only Casey's.

If Caylee's little body is found and Casey is charged I wonder if she will implicate anyone else.

[SavannahStar]

Sheriff's Office Wants To Prosecute People Who Taunted George Anthony (http://www.wftv.com/news/17515488/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news)
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The violent protesters confronting Casey Anthony outside her house will no longer be tolerated. Late Friday afternoon, the sheriff's office told Eyewitness News it's going to push for prosecuting people who taunted and provoked the grandfather of Caylee Anthony.

:beer: I'm so happy to hear that.

[Joan Weiss]

Ah, but pictures can be soooo deceiving. Here's one of a loving family:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Bettychand/susansmith.jpg
Here's another happy family-Diane Downs

http://mylifeofcrime.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/downs-family200.jpg


And we all remember this one: http://images.google.com/images?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=Sndrea+Yates-family+picture&um=1&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

So much for pictures...

[Acorn]

If Caylee's little body is found and Casey is charged I wonder if she will implicate anyone else.

Whoever walks into her field of vision. imo

[MyrDawn]

If Caylee's little body is found and Casey is charged I wonder if she will implicate anyone else.

I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to implicate everyone she knows. She's such a liar, I'd have to see absolutely solid proof before I believed a word out of her mouth.,

[spageddy]

Ah, but pictures can be soooo deceiving. Here's one of a loving family:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Bettychand/susansmith.jpg
The pictures I have seen have not been too candid- not that it really matters. Casey is so practiced at lying that faking a smile and a loving look would be a piece o'cake. IMO

[WillowInFlight]

NOW, tell me, that had to be expensive. I was robbed yesterday, wish I had survellience camers,,,,oops, can't afford them unless I start up a donation.

:( sorry to hear you were robbed

[bchand]

Maybe she was mad at him for dissing her the other door by walking in front of her and just shoving the door open. She might be getting back at him by not spending the day with him for that. Baez, most likely, has hurt feelings and tried to reconcile with her.

lol OR he could actually be paying attention to his other clients. (If he has any.)

[msjoni]

Maybe she was mad at him for dissing her the other day by walking in front of her and just shoving the door open. She might be getting back at him by not spending the day with him for that. Baez, most likely, has hurt feelings and tried to reconcile with her.

That sounds like High School...:rolleyes:

[CinTN]

Maybe she was mad at him for dissing her the other day by walking in front of her and just shoving the door open. She might be getting back at him by not spending the day with him for that. Baez, most likely, has hurt feelings and tried to reconcile with her.

AWWWW did Princess Pantsonfire hurt his feelbads ....

[spiritwolf46]

Here's another happy family-Diane Downs

http://mylifeofcrime.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/downs-family200.jpg


And we all remember this one: http://images.google.com/images?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=Sndrea+Yates-family+picture&um=1&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

So much for pictures...


Man, I look at these photos and I just get chills all over. Those poor, sweet little children. Oh how my heart aches for them.

:rose:For all the little children who has suffered so.

[commonguymd]

lol OR he could actually be paying attention to his other clients. (If he has any.)

That I highly doubt. She has a history of getting even by denying others the pleasure of her company. He was probably waiting all day for her call, and when she didn't ring him, he scrambled over there to find out if she was mad at him.

I wonder what he ranted at the media about this time. Probably something good because he had to make it up to her for being such a jackass to her yesterday.

[johnielee333]

Here's another happy family-Diane Downs

http://mylifeofcrime.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/downs-family200.jpg


And we all remember this one: http://images.google.com/images?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=Sndrea+Yates-family+picture&um=1&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

So much for pictures...

omg these are all so sad. yes pictures can be very,very deceiving.

[WillowInFlight]

Here's another happy family-Diane Downs

http://mylifeofcrime.files.wordpress.com/2006/10/downs-family200.jpg


And we all remember this one: http://images.google.com/images?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=Sndrea+Yates-family+picture&um=1&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

So much for pictures...
Great now you're going to make me go O/T, what was the song playing on the radio when Diane shot her children? It's on the tip of my tongue.

[bchand]

The pictures I have seen have not been too candid- not that it really matters. Casey is so practiced at lying that faking a smile and a loving look would be a piece o'cake. IMO


You know spageddy - when I was viewing some of the home videos of Caylee today I was thinking it was so weird. They would run about 2-3 mins and no one was saying anything.

I know when I was taking pictures/movies of my kids/grandkids, I was always jabbering to them, making them laugh etc. Theirs seem more like surveillance videos at times.

[bluwaters]

Oddly, right after I posted in response to this video local news (central Florida) had a story about a man that tortured his neighbors poodle. They matched DNA and caught him. So, anyway while slightly off topic it does show other lower priority cases are being solved. I wish he would have worded it better too, as I posted. But I kind of felt that that was what he meant. If he does bring back the photo, perhaps he will elaborate more on that.
I hope that he gets his case resolved for his Dixie.
The poor guy just wasn't very articulate.
Does anyone have a link to the TES announcement?
I missed it.
TIA

[Armchairdet]

Lawyers for Cindy and George, and Caseys lawyer were at their home today.

Media moves several houses down to discourage protestors. So far, none at the home tonight.

HOA asking Anthony family to no longer hold vigils at the home.

[johnielee333]

Sheriff's Office Wants To Prosecute People Who Taunted George Anthony (http://www.wftv.com/news/17515488/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news)
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The violent protesters confronting Casey Anthony outside her house will no longer be tolerated. Late Friday afternoon, the sheriff's office told Eyewitness News it's going to push for prosecuting people who taunted and provoked the grandfather of Caylee Anthony.


:beer:
its about time LE does something about the bad protesters. it should not of taken them this long to realize that it was out of control.

[msjoni]

Great now you're going to make me go O/T, what was the song playing on the radio when Diane shot her children? It's on the tip of my tongue.

Hungry like the wolf....

[CinTN]

Great now you're going to make me go O/T, what was the song playing on the radio when Diane shot her children? It's on the tip of my tongue.



I dont know the Diane Downs case... prolly a good thing..

[bchand]

That I highly doubt. She has a history of getting even by denying others the pleasure of her company. He was probably waiting all day for her call, and when she didn't ring him, he scrambled over there to find out if she was mad at him.

I wonder what he ranted at the media about this time. Probably something good because he had to make it up to her for being such a jackass to her yesterday.

I have the news live on, just in case they mention it.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live10pm11pm.html

[jessjam]

You know, I wouldn't even venture to guess. I have no idea. While it does seem likely that Caylee is deceased, I haven't seen any proof that she is. I don't like the leaks, and feel they are intended to gain advantage. If LE has a case of murder, it should be tried in the court. Enough of their game playing.

So I really only comment on the things I see with my own eyes, like the protesters. I don't need to rely on leaks, because I saw them myself, and I feel comfortable to comment. Sometimes things aren't always as they seem. With the info that has come out, the constant camera's and discussions have made it so much bigger and sensational from the time this began. It has grown into a huge free for all, of speculation and rumor.

Thats all I'll say about it for now.
:read:

Yes enough of the game playing. I hope Casey and her family are reading this and will quit playing games.

[MyrDawn]

Great now you're going to make me go O/T, what was the song playing on the radio when Diane shot her children? It's on the tip of my tongue.

"Hungry Like The Wolf" by Duran Duran was the song.

Pictures can be SO deceiving. I think we've all learned that. How about the pictures of Scott and Laci? Happy happy...then we saw pics of him and Amber...happy happy.

Just because Casey looks like she's enjoying Caylee in some pictures does nothing for my opinion that she killed her, either accidentally or on purpose.

JMO

[bchand]

Lawyers for Cindy and George, and Caseys lawyer were at their home today.

Media moves several houses down to discourage protestors. So far, none at the home tonight.

HOA asking Anthony family to no longer hold vigils at the home.

Thanks for the updates Armchairdet. Appreciate it.

[WillowInFlight]

Hungry like the wolf....

Thank You!!

[luvinlife]

NOW, tell me, that had to be expensive. I was robbed yesterday, wish I had survellience camers,,,,oops, can't afford them unless I start up a donation.



I have four security cameras and it only cost me $130. We have a problem with vandalism in the neighbourhood.

[bluwaters]

Thanks for posting that, Steff. I posted it in the links thread earlier, then got interrupted before I could post it here.

I do hope this cuts down on some of the criminals disguising themselves as "protestors". I'm afraid someone will be seriously injured if something isn't done soon. The way these things go, it's usually someone innocent that gets hurt, IMO.
I agree. Those thugs were out there looking to stir something up. They were not protesting.
I hate to see the protesters who don't break the rules being placed into the same group as the hecklers who assaulted George.
G&C were foolish to go out there to rumble with them, but they did not break any laws by doing so. Just because it's their right to go out and confront someone trespassing on their property, it doesn't make it a good idea!

[SavannahStar]

*snipped for space*

To me compassion is as compason does. Something like you have to show respect, to receive respect. In my mind, Cindy show no compassion for Caylee and she receives none from me. moo

I'm exactly the opposite of you. I don't feel compassion only for the "nice" people in the world....if a person is suffering in some way I don't stop to think whether they are a good person or a bad person, or if they themselves show compassion before I decide how I feel about them.

I see that Cindy and George's granddaughter is probably dead, and their daughter most likely killed her. And the sentence ends there.....I don't add anything on. Period! That is enough for me to have compassion for them, and prayers and sympathy. I don't care what they do, what they say, nothing can stop my compassion for them. I may find some of their words and actions distasteful and crude.....but there but for the grace of God go I. I cannot in my worst nightmares imagine anything worse than what they are going through.

Their world will never be the same, it's really over for them. And nothing they can ever do will make things better, not even waterboarding their daughter to make her tell the truth. I don't believe in karma....what I do believe in, I won't go into because when anyone mentions it, it presses too many hot buttons. Suffice to say my own personal faith makes me the way I am, and I'm not in any way ashamed for not hating or being disgusted with the Anthonys.

And as they say, "your mileage may vary." I don't bash posters who don't share my beliefs or my opinions in this case.

[WillowInFlight]

I dont know the Diane Downs case... prolly a good thing..

The prosecutor adopted her two surviving children. Diane was a very selfish woman.

[day2day]

If Caylee's little body is found and Casey is charged I wonder if she will implicate anyone else.

You bet you will. Anyone who was involved and probly some that weren't. JMO:read:

[WillowInFlight]

Truck at the Anthonys

[GrandmaGA]

You know, I wouldn't even venture to guess. I have no idea. While it does seem likely that Caylee is deceased, I haven't seen any proof that she is. I don't like the leaks, and feel they are intended to gain advantage. If LE has a case of murder, it should be tried in the court. Enough of their game playing.

So I really only comment on the things I see with my own eyes, like the protesters. I don't need to rely on leaks, because I saw them myself, and I feel comfortable to comment. Sometimes things aren't always as they seem. With the info that has come out, the constant camera's and discussions have made it so much bigger and sensational from the time this began. It has grown into a huge free for all, of speculation and rumor.

Thats all I'll say about it for now.
:read:

You are so right, ITA

[Ionmhainn]

I'm exactly the opposite of you. I don't feel compassion only for the "nice" people in the world....if a person is suffering in some way I don't stop to think whether they are a good person or a bad person, or if they themselves show compassion before I decide how I feel about them.

I see that Cindy and George's granddaughter is probably dead, and their daughter most likely killed her. And the sentence ends there.....I don't add anything on. Period! That is enough for me to have compassion for them, and prayers and sympathy. I don't care what they do, what they say, nothing can stop my compassion for them. I may find some of their words and actions distasteful and crude.....but there but for the grace of God go I. I cannot in my worst nightmares imagine anything worse than what they are going through.

Their world will never be the same, it's really over for them. And nothing they can ever do will make things better, not even waterboarding their daughter to make her tell the truth. I don't believe in karma....what I do believe in, I won't go into because when anyone mentions it, it presses too many hot buttons. Suffice to say my own personal faith makes me the way I am, and I'm not in any way ashamed for not hating or being disgusted with the Anthonys.

And as they say, "your mileage may vary." I don't bash posters who don't share my beliefs or my opinions in this case.


Great post, Savannah. Compassion doesn't need a "reason." imo

[commonguymd]

Truck at the Anthonys

Badge on back of it means what?

[MyrDawn]

I agree. Those thugs were out there looking to stir something up. They were not protesting.
I hate to see the protesters who don't break the rules being placed into the same group as the hecklers who assaulted George.
G&C were foolish to go out there to rumble with them, but they did not break any laws by doing so. Just because it's their right to go out and confront someone trespassing on their property, it doesn't make it a good idea!

I hate to see the real protestors, like that classy lady with the dog and big sign, lumped in with the fakes, too. I refuse to call the fake ones protestors...the ones that just want to start trouble.

JMO

[Armchairdet]

Thanks for the updates Armchairdet. Appreciate it.

You're welcome. It wasn't much, but it was all there was. Sarah Palin just arrived, so that might have shortened any Anthony news for this hour.

[SavannahStar]

I dont know the Diane Downs case... prolly a good thing..

Another riveting one. Fabulous book by Ann Rule and a wonderful TV movie starring Farah Fawcett who played Diane Downs PERFECTLY.

[Armchairdet]

I hate to see the real protestors, like that classy lady with the dog and big sign, lumped in with the fakes, too. I refuse to call the fake ones protestors...the ones that just want to start trouble.

JMO

Then shall we call them CONtestors?

[farrahrani]

Maybe she was mad at him for dissing her the other day by walking in front of her and just shoving the door open. She might be getting back at him by not spending the day with him for that. Baez, most likely, has hurt feelings and tried to reconcile with her.

Or it could be that he has ''grounded'' her for being so foolish and making that 911 call so thoughtlessly and messed up one of the bigger points of his defense. :beer:

[CinTN]

The prosecutor adopted her two surviving children. Diane was a very selfish woman.

Bless their heart... :rose:

[joolz]

Why would I ignore you? I just heard something eysterday about TES and shocking news..I'm not sure what it was about.


I don't know if this was what you heard, but I brought it over from the Breaking News thread:

(posted today)
Please help so others can be found!

It has come to my attention that Hurricane Ike has done extensive damage to Texas Equusearch. Many of the team members' homes are destroyed, including the horse barn and hay for the horses that so selflessly search for missing loved ones.

Tim Miller has given so much over the years to the "community" of missing persons. If you don't know his story, please go the the website and read about his own losses.

The Texas Equusearch team can not do the job they have been called to do because of this devastation. We need to find a way to help get them back up and running.

Just looking into Tim Miller's eyes over the years connects with my heart and he and his team do not deserve to suffer through this for one minute.

Please let me know if anything has been organized to help Tim in anyway, if not, then what can we do to help one or all of his team members?

On their website is a button for donations. I have been in contact with someone from the organization and there is a great need for money to repair their motorhome, buy the hay for the horses and a myriad of other things. Please donate what you can, even if it is only a few dollars.
Let's give back some of the love and support Tim Miller has given to so many families of missing persons.

Sent to Jurorthirteen by Delilah.... Thanks for sharing this!

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

[WillowInFlight]

Badge on back of it means what?

I don't know it was on the side also, I missed who came out of the house.

[commonguymd]

I see that too

She left whoever it was, but the same badge was on the side of the truck. Maybe a sheriffs vehicle, but maybe the security company truck too.

[MyrDawn]

Then shall we call them CONtestors?

Good one! I called them criminals because they did commit crimes like going on the A's personal propery, but CONtestors sounds better. :)

[commonguymd]

I don't know it was on the side also, I missed who came out of the house.

New truck backed in now.

[CinTN]

A black truck just backed into the A's Driveway ....:shrug:

[WillowInFlight]

She left whoever it was, but the same badge was on the side of the truck. Maybe a sheriffs vehicle, but maybe the security company truck too.

You're probably right with the security company.

[SavannahStar]

I completely agree with you. I am empathetic to a fault. I really learned that while working at the prison. I thought I could be so bad-azz to the inmates, especially the more heinous ones, but when one was in our E.R. or coding or I had to attend a death, I worked just as hard on them as any other patient I've ever had. I educated them big time about their health. As bad as most were, when it came down to it, I knew some mother rocked them to sleep as a baby. And if a mother didn't rock them to sleep, so much the sadder. Sometimes we have to give the worst people our best because that may be the only time in their lives they receive someone's best.

Well there ya go.

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(And NO.....in case anyone thinks it, compassion for the Anthonys does not preclude compassion for Caylee. No way. I wonder if some think that? :confused:)

[MyrDawn]

New truck backed in now.

A guy in black pants and a white shirt just came out of the house, opened the drivers door and leaned in and did something, then shut the truck door again and went back into the house. I couldn't tell who it was.

[WillowInFlight]

Black truck backed up in drive now. I wonder if she is going to surrender?

[WillowInFlight]

A guy in black pants and a white shirt just came out of the house, opened the drivers door and leaned in and did something, then shut the truck door again and went back into the house. I couldn't tell who it was.

God we are so bad. LOL

[Acorn]

who's that?

Nail technician? :shrug:

[Lilly12]

I'm exactly the opposite of you. I don't feel compassion only for the "nice" people in the world....if a person is suffering in some way I don't stop to think whether they are a good person or a bad person, or if they themselves show compassion before I decide how I feel about them.

I see that Cindy and George's granddaughter is probably dead, and their daughter most likely killed her. And the sentence ends there.....I don't add anything on. Period! That is enough for me to have compassion for them, and prayers and sympathy. I don't care what they do, what they say, nothing can stop my compassion for them. I may find some of their words and actions distasteful and crude.....but there but for the grace of God go I. I cannot in my worst nightmares imagine anything worse than what they are going through.

Their world will never be the same, it's really over for them. And nothing they can ever do will make things better, not even waterboarding their daughter to make her tell the truth. I don't believe in karma....what I do believe in, I won't go into because when anyone mentions it, it presses too many hot buttons. Suffice to say my own personal faith makes me the way I am, and I'm not in any way ashamed for not hating or being disgusted with the Anthonys.

And as they say, "your mileage may vary." I don't bash posters who don't share my beliefs or my opinions in this case.

I have not bashed a poster, ever.
You do not have to be nice for me to show compassion. I have compassion, I show compassion, just not for Cindy. Why... several reasons. One I will relate to you again. She shows no compassion for Caylee. I do not know her motives for protecting Casey, but, to me it is at the expense of that baby girl, who could not defend herself. Casey as proven she can defend herself very well. Maybe I blieve an eye for an eye. Isn't that what the bible reads? moo

[barskin&co.]

Okay, I'm just back from the gym, which means I missed something.

[WillowInFlight]

She WAS good, wasn't she?
Yep, right down to the outfit she wore on her way to prison.

[MyrDawn]

God we are so bad. LOL

:lol:
I feel like a voyeur. I'm glad the A's can't see me! :biggrin:

[Snoopy50]

Black truck backed up in drive now. I wonder if she is going to surrender?

Webcam link please...please?:seeya:

[Snoopy50]

Okay, I'm just back from the gym, which means I missed something.

Well at least you are staying in shape while you miss everything.:)

[MyrDawn]

I have not bashed a poster, ever.
You do not have to be nice for me to show compassion. I have compassion, I show compassion, just not for Cindy. Why... several reasons. One I will relate to you again. She shows no compassion for Caylee. I do not know her motives for protecting Casey, but, to me it is at the expense of that baby girl, who could not defend herself. Casey as proven she can defend herself very well. Maybe I blieve an eye for an eye. Isn't that what the bible reads? moo

I have a feeling Cindy cries herself to sleep every night over Caylee. I think she loved her dearly and can't bear to admit to herself that she's dead.

JMO

[Snoopy50]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

Many thanks!!!!:seeya:

[SavannahStar]

I have not bashed a poster, ever.
You do not have to be nice for me to show compassion. I have compassion, I show compassion, just not for Cindy. Why... several reasons. One I will relate to you again. She shows no compassion for Caylee. I do not know her motives for protecting Casey, but, to me it is at the expense of that baby girl, who could not defend herself. Casey as proven she can defend herself very well. Maybe I blieve an eye for an eye. Isn't that what the bible reads? moo

I didn't accuse you of bashing, I hope you know that.

Yes, the Bible said an eye for an eye, but that was the Old Testament. I really don't want to go further into the subject of religion.

Enough.....you explained your feelings, I explained mine. :)

[bluwaters]

Well there ya go.

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(And NO.....in case anyone thinks it, compassion for the Anthonys does not preclude compassion for Caylee. No way. I wonder if some think that? :confused:)

I hope that no one thinks that. If they do, it is their problem though.

ratched - that was a great post and that is what compassion is all about.

I frequently fail to rise to the challenge. Whenever I start to feel badly for Cindy, she goes and does something that really makes me mad! :no:
I'm working on it though.

[trich]

Seems as if I have seen that black truck backed up to the garage before.
Anybody else think the same?

[babblefishie]

Maybe she was mad at him for dissing her the other day by walking in front of her and just shoving the door open. She might be getting back at him by not spending the day with him for that. Baez, most likely, has hurt feelings and tried to reconcile with her.

Hey all,
I wrote this earlier, but I fully believe those days of Casey in the office with Baez all hours are OVER. I think he's pizzed for making the 911 call, and realizes how very damaging their loooong hours together are looking for his career (and his marriage)

HE was MAD! :no::no:

[SavannahStar]

I have a feeling Cindy cries herself to sleep every night over Caylee. I think she loved her dearly and can't bear to admit to herself that she's dead.

JMO


I believe that as well, MyrDawn. 100%.

[spiritwolf46]

Webcam link please...please?:seeya:


Hiya Snoopy!

[aubrey04]

Something is just NOW happening. We don't know what yet.
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

All I see is a truck in the driveway.. Am I missing something?

[commonguymd]

Hey all,
I wrote this earlier, but I fully believe those days of Casey in the office with Baez all hours are OVER. I think he's pizzed for making the 911 call, and realizes how very damaging their loooong hours together are looking for his career (and his marriage)

HE was MAD! :no::no:

I get the impression he is too stupid to be pissed, what with that clown grin and all.

[Armchairdet]

Oh sure, now something happens. I am suppose to be running around finishing the laundry, and getting dinner ready so it does not look like I have been sitting her for ever.

[concernedmom]

So maybe I should post a thread to Cindy, George, Casey and Lee asking them to please use the media a method to speak to Zenaida.

Might remind them how quick they found the bad protesters using that appeal to the public and if they appealed like that for Caylee they may find her.

[babblefishie]

I get the impression he is too stupid to be pissed, what with that clown grin and all.

Did you see the way he flung the door open for her to get in the car? He appeared to be super angry with her.

[day2day]

The bible also talks about passing judgment on others.

The bible also says something about ...harming HIS littleones.

[WillowInFlight]

I was in tears at the end of the book, Small Sacrifices when I read about the adoption.
You can read an update on the case at the bottom of this page from the Ann Rule website.


http://annrules.com/news3.htm#Back%20to%20page%203

Thank You so much, that case stayed with me for a long time. I can't wait to read the update.

[beckyj]

The prosecutor adopted her two surviving children. Diane was a very selfish woman.

I think it was made into a movie - Farrah Fawcett played her. I THINK!

[day2day]

Is she being fitted for her sombrero? :biggrin:

I hope he comes out with her puter!

[babblefishie]

Is she being fitted for her sombrero? :biggrin:

That's right! They're all the rage with homicidal momsters these days. :D

[CinTN]

Nail technician? :shrug:

:lol: good 1

[commonguymd]

Did you see the way he flung the door open for her to get in the car? He appeared to be super angry with her.

I saw it and that is why I think she is denying him the pleasure of her company today. I think that is why he ran over to the house, hoping to get back in "his girl's" good graces again. He is so used to spending his days in leisure with her at the office, that I think he felt the pressure and backed off. That is why I think he ranted to the media today in the driveway, so he could prove his loyalty to her.

jmo

[Snoopy50]

I hope that no one thinks that. If they do, it is their problem though.

ratched - that was a great post and that is what compassion is all about.

I frequently fail to rise to the challenge. Whenever I start to feel badly for Cindy, she goes and does something that really makes me mad! :no:
I'm working on it though.

As a mother and grandmother, I feel a great deal of compassion for her, as she is living an unimaginable horror. That being said, I have a serious problem with all her lies, cover-ups and placing blame on everyone except the one person whose actions created this circus. I think Cindy and George are lousy parents, and are several french fries short of a Happy Meal, but I do pray for them, DAILY. I hope they can someday find some sort of normalcy, and I hope they do not completely destroy each other in the process. IF they broke laws, and IMO they have, that too, will be dealt with, but I have no doubt they adored Caylee and will hurt forever over her loss.:(

[Snoopy50]

Hiya Snoopy!

Hi Spirit! How are ya?:seeya:

[WillowInFlight]

Looks like cameras are being set up

[freesia2wate]

Does anyone have a link to the video of Baez being upset with Casey? I have looked for it and can't find it. TIA.......:shrug:

[spiritwolf46]

The bible also talks about passing judgment on others.

The bible also has the sixth commandment, thou shalt not kill, and I think that is what Casey did to a little innocent toddler who could not fight back.

[Velouria]

CW knows why she banned Flamom and she knows I'm here as Flmom..wasnt a secret...are you dissing CW and her judgement?

Flamom was banned for a typo. I explained this to CW and she give me this name....maybe you should take your complaint to CW email inbox.

Hi Flmom :seeya:

That the OP would call you out on such a thing is the ultimate in Pot-Kettle-Black. KnowhatImean?

[commonguymd]

I think you've been reading too many cheap romance novels, imo.

Just a silly vivid imagination, although I think many find his relationship with his client rather odd. Even lawyers find it strange.

[CinTN]

Seems as if I have seen that black truck backed up to the garage before.
Anybody else think the same?

Yeah IIRC its the security cam guys,,

Someone needs to moon the cam ,,lol
:lol:

[WillowInFlight]

I think it was made into a movie - Farrah Fawcett played her. I THINK!

Correct, I watch it every time it comes on Life Time.

[Amy]

"Hungry Like The Wolf" by Duran Duran was the song.

Pictures can be SO deceiving. I think we've all learned that. How about the pictures of Scott and Laci? Happy happy...then we saw pics of him and Amber...happy happy.

Just because Casey looks like she's enjoying Caylee in some pictures does nothing for my opinion that she killed her, either accidentally or on purpose.

JMO

IMO, the pictures may very well be a reflection of a happy time in each of these cases. IIRC, everyone, including Laci's mom was under the impression that the Petersons were happy...and, maybe SP is the only one who knew the marriage was not as it seemed.

I would imagine that not every minute of every day was pure misery for the people in all the cases mentioned. It didn't sound like Diane Downs or Susan Smith or Andrea Yates abused their children from day one. More like @ some point, things got out of hand. That is not to say I condone their murdering their children, it's just that I can very well think there were happy times, and pictures of when they were happy.

[rosejustrose]

NOW, tell me, that had to be expensive. I was robbed yesterday, wish I had survellience camers,,,,oops, can't afford them unless I start up a donation.

That's absolutely horrible. I hope you weren't hurt. Please let us know if you need any support. No one should be unsettled like this. :rose:

[Boxer]

Maybe you should take a lesson from Tim, who has stated he does feel compassion for them.
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I'm taking Tim's other lesson. I don't need Gramma either

[aubrey04]

The bible also talks about passing judgment on others.

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[day2day]

As a mother and grandmother, I feel a great deal of compassion for her, as she is living an unimaginable horror. That being said, I have a serious problem with all her lies, cover-ups and placing blame on everyone except the one person whose actions created this circus. I think Cindy and George are lousy parents, and are several french fries short of a Happy Meal, but I do pray for them, DAILY. I hope they can someday find some sort of normalcy, and I hope they do not completely destroy each other in the process. IF they broke laws, and IMO they have, that too, will be dealt with, but I have no doubt they adored Caylee and will hurt forever over her loss.:(

Great post Snoopy. I am a mama and i feel so BLESSED to have my littleone-she truly is a gift from God. I loved my Granny with all my heart and she was just like a mama to me. That being said..I pray nightly for the Anthony's ..ALL of them. I ask God to help me understand them..and just when I think I am beginning to , they do or say something else that is utterly ridiculous.

I hate the way they have protected Casey and now she is what they are focused on and not Caylee. I am pretty sure it is just what Casey wants.

jmo

:rose: Caylee Marie

[WillowInFlight]

Just a silly vivid imagination, although I think many find his relationship with his client rather odd. Even lawyers find it strange.

I hope Mrs Baez doesn't become Casey's latest victim.

[poplife]

please revert back to topic, fer sure religion will get hammer

[commonguymd]

I DONT want compassion for them...I have no problem NOT having compassion for them...I like me.

I have a hard time having compassion for people that would send out a bulletin demanding justice on silly protesters that egg them on and are too foolish to keep from giving the protesters what they want - confrontation,,,, meanwhile never make a plea for ZG to bring their little one home. This comes from the same people that have a daughter who has no hesitation demanding law enforcement run to their door, yet couldn't seem to find the number 1 or 9 on their phone when Caylee left the planet.

[rosejustrose]

Great now you're going to make me go O/T, what was the song playing on the radio when Diane shot her children? It's on the tip of my tongue.

It was duran/duran Hungry Like a Wolf? Stand to be corrected. I was too young to remember. Yeah, right.

[kakax]

Hey guys....been running errands all afternoon :seeya:

I am assuming this Friday hasn't been like the other Fridays in this case...have I missed anything?

[cantstandnuts]

I'm exactly the opposite of you. I don't feel compassion only for the "nice" people in the world....if a person is suffering in some way I don't stop to think whether they are a good person or a bad person, or if they themselves show compassion before I decide how I feel about them.

I see that Cindy and George's granddaughter is probably dead, and their daughter most likely killed her. And the sentence ends there.....I don't add anything on. Period! That is enough for me to have compassion for them, and prayers and sympathy. I don't care what they do, what they say, nothing can stop my compassion for them. I may find some of their words and actions distasteful and crude.....but there but for the grace of God go I. I cannot in my worst nightmares imagine anything worse than what they are going through.

Their world will never be the same, it's really over for them. And nothing they can ever do will make things better, not even waterboarding their daughter to make her tell the truth. I don't believe in karma....what I do believe in, I won't go into because when anyone mentions it, it presses too many hot buttons. Suffice to say my own personal faith makes me the way I am, and I'm not in any way ashamed for not hating or being disgusted with the Anthonys.

And as they say, "your mileage may vary." I don't bash posters who don't share my beliefs or my opinions in this case.

Excellent post :patriot: