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forensick
09-19-2008, 01:34 PM
Every time this guy is interviewed on a TV show, he says something different. OR...he misunderstands what the interviewer's question is and rambles on about stuff that no one cares about or relates to the missing child's disappearance. He reports things that he's "heard around" ... rumors that may not be factual...but keeps his face in front of tons of tv viewers.
His 15 minutes of fame are WAY over. He used Caylee Anthony to get his face on TV and the Anthony family used HIM to get their daughter out of jail. He said the only thing that Casey said to him when he asked her "Where is Caylee?"...is exactly what she told LE..."I dropped her off at Zenaida's apartment." He told her he wasn't going to listen to those lies anymore and she reiterated her story. He then said he left the Anthony home shortly after that and immediately started plans to call back her bond.
This is a sad case of a mother killing her daughter and how someone can use this situation to promote their own interests is beyond me.
Regina.Lampert
09-19-2008, 01:38 PM
I still believe he is of some value and apparently the OCSD and FBI think so too. They wouldn't have flown across country to speak with him had they not. IMO.
I think he will be involved in this case till the end.
forensick
09-19-2008, 01:43 PM
I still believe he is of some value and apparently the OCSD and FBI think so too. They wouldn't have flown across country to speak with him had they not. IMO.
I think he will be involved in this case till the end.
I know I sound very cynical, but how do we know the FBI and other LE officials have flown to Florida just to talk to him? I thought they were interviewing others out there who had contact with Casey over the past month or so.
This guy seems like a major grandstander and I wouldn't be surprised if he is making stuff up just to "keep in the investigation".
MoonHarvest
09-19-2008, 02:14 PM
He's better than most of the players in this sordid saga.
Katprint
09-19-2008, 02:18 PM
I like him. I think he had good intentions but that things did not turn out the way he expected.
I think Mr. Padilla believed that Casey really was a foolish young mother who did not know what to do when her child was kidnapped by the babysitter (which actually does happen from time to time, particularly when the babysitter loves the child and wants to protect the child from the mother's neglect) but who could not do much from jail. I doubt anybody - other than maybe the police detectives who had already gone round and round with Casey's lies - anticipated that Casey would get out of jail and then NEITHER SHE NOR HER FAMILY WOULD LOOK FOR HER MISSING CHILD. I doubt Mr. Padilla expected the Anthony family's freakish Code of Silence. I think he was fooled by the Anthonys' superficial sincerity in the early days of the case, but of course now he has wised up as further information has become available. I think his story changes as the information he possesses changes.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Dogmatic
09-19-2008, 02:20 PM
I like him.
IMO, he is one of the few players in this fiasco that seems to have a genuine interest in Caylee
Mairi II
09-19-2008, 02:28 PM
Just goes to show everyone's different - because I like him. Maybe "like" is too strong. I should say I don't mind hearing from him at all... in fact, sometimes he's got some interesting tidbits. Plus being a bounty hunter, he's been around the worst of the worst. I have to believe he's pretty good at reading people by this time.
johnielee333
09-19-2008, 02:35 PM
people are all about themselves. they do whatever they need to do so they can get what they want. all along not caring who they hurt to get it. they use people & its sickning IMO.
NatalieB
09-19-2008, 03:19 PM
All I can say is, if he bought into the babysitter stole my child story, he's got to be the worst bounty hunter in the world. He based his opinion on NOTHING at the time other than what he wanted to possibly be true.
I concur with many others, his 15 minutes has long since expired. I don't even believe anything he says, since it changes all the time and he remembers things out of the blue. Sure, LE is interested in what he has to say because they're investigating a murder/disappearance and he interjected himself into the investigation. That doesn't mean LE has the slightest bit of respect for the man or what he's done.
I think he got involved with this case to promote his TV show. A show that was immediately canceled because the network wanted to distance themselves from anything pertaining to this man as soon as they possibly could. At this point, I think he's still in the game trying to repair his own status and ego.
NatalieB
09-19-2008, 03:31 PM
Oh, and his sincerity was so proven when he started speaking out about Zanny the Nanny being a book. Well, hello, posters on 2 messages boards (at minimal) were talking about it WAY before he ever thought to order the book, "Double Trouble." I believe that's the name of the book anyway.
If he was sincere, why didn't he mention he read it online, or someone told him they'd read it online? He ordered the stupid book so he could check it out, PROVING, he had no prior knowledge about it. He sure took the credit though, eh?
Sorry, that's not my idea of sincerity.
NatalieB
09-19-2008, 03:34 PM
Oh, and he offered a $50,000 reward for anyone willing to come forward and lead HIM to Caylee's remains. The offer was NEVER a $50,000 reward that led to the remains. He needed to be the one involved for the $50,000 to be paid out.
Again, that's not sincerity by my definition of the word.
poplife
09-19-2008, 03:35 PM
Someone he trusted intimated to him that this would work out for the good, that casey would cooperate. It didn't happen that way and he pulled out, just as many of his criticizers said he should.
I say he came up w/ the goods on the phone records, he's not completely full of it.
I like him.
Regina.Lampert
09-19-2008, 04:37 PM
Someone he trusted intimated to him that this would work out for the good, that casey would cooperate. It didn't happen that way and he pulled out, just as many of his criticizers said he should.
I say he came up w/ the goods on the phone records, he's not completely full of it.
I like him.
At the risk of agitating my very good friend Ray, I agree with you. Leonard did get those records from Lee and then I think he
faxed them to The Amazing One for her to use on her show. Every now and again he does drop a tidbit, that's why I like when he's on.
febreze
09-19-2008, 04:42 PM
I say he came up w/ the goods on the phone records, he's not completely full of it.
I like him.
i wonder if that list included calls on June 17th, wasn't it said no calls were made that day? would be interesting to know.
moonbeam
09-19-2008, 04:47 PM
Oh, and he offered a $50,000 reward for anyone willing to come forward and lead HIM to Caylee's remains. The offer was NEVER a $50,000 reward that led to the remains. He needed to be the one involved for the $50,000 to be paid out.
Again, that's not sincerity by my definition of the word.I don't get the distinction. The goal here is to find her remains!! Who cares who leads the search or who gets the golden ticket or who can claim victory. Casey said she would lie, steal, etc. to find her daughter - that same sentiment holds true for anyone else who can find her. I don't care HOW or WHO finds her, JUST FIND HER!!!!!!!! :flamemad:
donna
09-19-2008, 04:49 PM
I know I sound very cynical, but how do we know the FBI and other LE officials have flown to Florida just to talk to him? I thought they were interviewing others out there who had contact with Casey over the past month or so.
This guy seems like a major grandstander and I wouldn't be surprised if he is making stuff up just to "keep in the investigation".
I am so not a fan of the Padilla's. I honestly believe that had he not done the first Casey bailout that she may very well have remained in jail and a lot of this DRAMMMMA would not have happened. IMO, it is Padilla's fault that Casey thinks she is Paris Hilton because of the big grandstanding done by the Padilla entourage.
Also, Padilla has had someone do his message board reading, IMO, because the Zanny the Nanny book thing came directly off of a message board.
I do not know how much LE wanted to talk to Padilla, but they did want to talk with the female guard that worked for Padilla and stayed in the house with Casey. Also to the Marine Casey knew out there. I understand that the female guard had consulted a lawyer and the lawyer told her she could not or should not talk with LE. POO! Why not cooperate with LE and/or FBI in the best interest of the investigation trying to get to the bottom of what Casey did with Caylee? Unless, of course, this female guard signed a confidentiality agreement with whomever is behind all these book/movie deals? I believe this to be the case.
I am no fan of Padilla or anyone in his entourage. I do know that many of you are, tho. I am just stating my own personal opinion of him!
NatalieB
09-19-2008, 04:52 PM
At the risk of agitating my very good friend Ray, I agree with you. Leonard did get those records from Lee and then I think he
faxed them to The Amazing One for her to use on her show. Every now and again he does drop a tidbit, that's why I like when he's on.
Hell no, you're not going to agitate me. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. We may not agree on all the smaller issues of our time, but we certainly don't disagree on the big ones. :seeya:
I can concur about the phone records too.
NatalieB
09-19-2008, 04:56 PM
I don't get the distinction. The goal here is to find her remains!! Who cares who leads the search or who gets the golden ticket or who can claim victory. Casey said she would lie, steal, etc. to find her daughter - that same sentiment holds true for anyone else who can find her. I don't care HOW or WHO finds her, JUST FIND HER!!!!!!!! :flamemad:
I don't care how she's found necessarily either. Like you, I only hope her remains are found. I'd have LOVED to see LP announce that if anyone came forward (to LE, EquuSearch, himself, or anyone else who could get to authorities), he'd give the $50,000, OR, he'd donate the money to EquuSearch if volunteers found the remains (this would have yielded a higher turn out of volunteers that EquuSearch was not getting at the time). He never once made these types of offers though.
Katprint
09-19-2008, 05:19 PM
I don't care how she's found necessarily either. Like you, I only hope her remains are found. I'd have LOVED to see LP announce that if anyone came forward (to LE, EquuSearch, himself, or anyone else who could get to authorities), he'd give the $50,000, OR, he'd donate the money to EquuSearch if volunteers found the remains (this would have yielded a higher turn out of volunteers that EquuSearch was not getting at the time). He never once made these types of offers though.
I don't agree that these other types of offers would have gotten "anyone" to come forward with the location of Caylee's remains. I think "anyone" who knows where the remains are would be just as likely to "come forward" to Mr. Padilla as to EquuSearch and probably more likely to him than to law enforcement especially if the reason that "anyone" knows where the remains are is because "anyone" helped dispose of the remains.
I also don't agree that many more volunteers would come out to help search if their discovery of Caylee's remains meant a $50,000 donation to EquuSearch instead of their discovery merely enabling them to "come forward" to Mr. Padilla and collect his $50,000 reward (which they could then donate to EquuSearch if that was where they really wanted the money to go.)
No disrespect intended, we just see this differently.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
poplife
09-19-2008, 05:22 PM
I have to giggle from time to time that some of our posters are so certain the players in this saga are getting their ideas from this particular message board. Remember that gal from MS that called him, she also told him about the Zanny book, and I'm sure we don't all get our ideas and info only from our own "investigating."
I'm not saying he is or isn't reading here per say, I have posted on many many cases w/ people involved somehow w/ the particular case.
I believe I'm right in my recollection that he said the 28th was the day of no pings.
NatalieB
09-19-2008, 06:53 PM
I don't agree that these other types of offers would have gotten "anyone" to come forward with the location of Caylee's remains. I think "anyone" who knows where the remains are would be just as likely to "come forward" to Mr. Padilla as to EquuSearch and probably more likely to him than to law enforcement especially if the reason that "anyone" knows where the remains are is because "anyone" helped dispose of the remains.
I also don't agree that many more volunteers would come out to help search if their discovery of Caylee's remains meant a $50,000 donation to EquuSearch instead of their discovery merely enabling them to "come forward" to Mr. Padilla and collect his $50,000 reward (which they could then donate to EquuSearch if that was where they really wanted the money to go.)
No disrespect intended, we just see this differently.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Well, I never said that LP offering $50,000 would have gotten anyone to come forward, so I'm not sure why you think you're disagreeing with me? I didn't state how I felt about that. I tend to agree with you, BUT, I would have still loved to have seen LP make the offer. He made the offer that he'd give $50,000 to anyone who led HIM to the remains. It was self serving on his part, IMO. It was the fact that it was self serving that I take issue with, too. Of course, his show was canceled, so maybe he needs the publicity to get back in the game and to recapture some of his credibility.
As for getting volunteers to come out. I most certainly think any plea from anyone would have gotten more volunteers out there initially. I have no doubt even LP could have gotten a few. We saw what happened when the sheriff stepped up to the plate.
I do tend to think LP did sympathize with Tim Miller and the team. I think he truly felt horrible when they were doing all they could, yet because of the situation, not many were coming out to help in the search. IMO, he's not up there where the Anthonys are, but....
For the record, many families wholeheartedly support Texas EquuSearch (my family among them) and I can tell you, if my joining a search may possibly yield a donation from someone else to that cause, if they were in my area, I wouldn't think twice about joining the search. Actually, I wouldn't need that enticement, but with that enticement, I would go AND phone everyone I knew to go along as well.
NatalieB
09-19-2008, 06:55 PM
I have to giggle from time to time that some of our posters are so certain the players in this saga are getting their ideas from this particular message board. Remember that gal from MS that called him, she also told him about the Zanny book, and I'm sure we don't all get our ideas and info only from our own "investigating."
I'm not saying he is or isn't reading here per say, I have posted on many many cases w/ people involved somehow w/ the particular case.
I believe I'm right in my recollection that he said the 28th was the day of no pings.
Alright, say that's where he got the information on Zanny the Nanny. He DID take credit for it, did he not? 'Cause I certainly didn't hear him mention her at all, either.
TxLady2
09-19-2008, 07:19 PM
I recall Tony P. saying that LP hates computers, so I doubt that he is reading here or WS or anywhere. It's very possible that he could get some information from these websites through Rob or Tony or someone on his staff, not disagreeing with that. But.. I have heard him mention a couple of things that I haven't seen discussed on either of these major boards, and I believe that he did talk with LE while he was there quite a bit. OCSD has no problem with him, I think they respect him to a degree. I have no problem with him personally, and really wish he had stayed around and done more to solve the case, they say he is pretty good at what he does.
Regina.Lampert
09-19-2008, 07:20 PM
Hell no, you're not going to agitate me. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. We may not agree on all the smaller issues of our time, but we certainly don't disagree on the big ones. :seeya:
I can concur about the phone records too.
I'm just being careful, no telling when you're gonna fly off the handle and torture us with another "search" game.........lol!!!
You're right Ray, we agree on the big issues of our day. <smoochies, always.> :seeya:
poplife
09-19-2008, 07:49 PM
Very true, Natalie. I have no idea really, just speculating. Hey, maybe he was making sure LE knew? (I said that w/ a smile on, I'm no die hard Padilla person)
BUT, I do stand w/ my sentiment that it takes a big person to admit they are wrong, in front of a nation on television.
baywench
09-19-2008, 07:59 PM
I'm not exactly sure what LP motives are but he does give information sometimes that I don't think we would get any other way. I'm pretty sure he turned over the records to Nancy Graceless and that's ok with me. I think he has more to say. Maybe LE went down there to ask him to shut up. He's a character....I like characters. jmo
mosey2
09-19-2008, 08:04 PM
I like him. I would have him over for a T-Bone dinner, chew the fat. I think he is a little naive, though. Believed Casey's lies for a while. But finally realizing the truth about her had humbled him somewhat, IMO. I think he is just old school, where the bad guys were bad guys and the good guys were sweet-looking femme fatales. Times have changed.
Cow icon would be sweet, but I'll just MOO, instead.
NatalieB
09-19-2008, 10:45 PM
I'm just being careful, no telling when you're gonna fly off the handle and torture us with another "search" game.........lol!!!
You're right Ray, we agree on the big issues of our day. <smoochies, always.> :seeya:
Hey, you might be starting something here. :lol: I had a friend suggesting some to me not too long ago. I just covered my ears and said, "leave me alone." hahaha
forensick
09-21-2008, 01:17 PM
I like him. I would have him over for a T-Bone dinner, chew the fat. I think he is a little naive, though. Believed Casey's lies for a while. But finally realizing the truth about her had humbled him somewhat, IMO. I think he is just old school, where the bad guys were bad guys and the good guys were sweet-looking femme fatales. Times have changed.
Cow icon would be sweet, but I'll just MOO, instead.
I don't think a Bounty Hunter of Padilla's age should be "naive". A Bounty Hunter should have seen and heard every kind of lie and excuse imaginable from his "clients." He's definitely no "DOG"...the "Bounty Hunter"...and I guess that's what he was looking for when he entered this fiasco investigation.
One of the recent posters said that he actually INTERFERRED when he bailed Casey out of jail the first time...that if she stayed there LE may have been able to finally get the truth out of her. I TOTALLY AGREE with that comment.
This guy is totally useless and although I love Nancy Grace, I cannot fathom why she continues to have him on her show. He's doing nothing for the investigation or for Nancy's TV viewers.
joypath
09-21-2008, 01:43 PM
IMHO, Lenny et al got sucked into this vortex under the guise of a win-win situation: he'd get publicity, "MOTY" would get a taste of freedom, C & G Anthony would get a crack at "MOTY" making her live up to "mother of the year" and speak, Lee could become the hero by finding Caylee and then everybody would blame SODDI. As we say here in the Northeast, "Light dawned on Marblehead" aka Lenny when he physically stepped in the liars' den, "Anthony World".
He does have some nuggets of information, sometimes they're gold other times, chicken!
Shellberry
09-21-2008, 03:01 PM
imo, at this point padilla is reading too many messages on line-
isnt it his nephew tony(?) who is a member on the ws board?
he's saying stuff that a lot of people on here/other boards are saying.
too much of a coincidence
although he is getting theories out there, maybe le is listening to him-continuing to piece together this puzzle
imo/jmo/etc
Barbara fl.
09-21-2008, 04:38 PM
Every time this guy is interviewed on a TV show, he says something different. OR...he misunderstands what the interviewer's question is and rambles on about stuff that no one cares about or relates to the missing child's disappearance. He reports things that he's "heard around" ... rumors that may not be factual...but keeps his face in front of tons of tv viewers.
His 15 minutes of fame are WAY over. He used Caylee Anthony to get his face on TV and the Anthony family used HIM to get their daughter out of jail. He said the only thing that Casey said to him when he asked her "Where is Caylee?"...is exactly what she told LE..."I dropped her off at Zenaida's apartment." He told her he wasn't going to listen to those lies anymore and she reiterated her story. He then said he left the Anthony home shortly after that and immediately started plans to call back her bond.
This is a sad case of a mother killing her daughter and how someone can use this situation to promote their own interests is beyond me.
I totally, totally agree
TxLady2
09-21-2008, 07:23 PM
I like him. I would have him over for a T-Bone dinner, chew the fat. I think he is a little naive, though. Believed Casey's lies for a while. But finally realizing the truth about her had humbled him somewhat, IMO. I think he is just old school, where the bad guys were bad guys and the good guys were sweet-looking femme fatales. Times have changed.
Cow icon would be sweet, but I'll just MOO, instead.
I don't think it's an issue of him believing her lies.. he just thought he could get her to talk. Unfortunately, Mr. Baez quashed that idea real quick. I don't think he knew many details about the case when he was asked to come to FL. He really thought Caylee was kidnapped, and he could help find her. Whatever, I think his intentions were good and still are. His information must be of some value or the news shows wouldn't still keep having him on. In the beginning he was on every major news network every day. The only one carrying the story now is HLN and CNN. I guess if NG gives it up, we'll be sunk!
brodysho
09-21-2008, 08:08 PM
I think forensick pretty much summed up my thoughts about the guy. I think he's a loser that keeps showing his self serving face on every opportunity that he can, for his own gain of course. His show got cancelled? Good. That guy needs to go away already.
NatalieB
09-22-2008, 01:36 AM
I don't think it's an issue of him believing her lies.. he just thought he could get her to talk. Unfortunately, Mr. Baez quashed that idea real quick. I don't think he knew many details about the case when he was asked to come to FL. He really thought Caylee was kidnapped, and he could help find her. Whatever, I think his intentions were good and still are. His information must be of some value or the news shows wouldn't still keep having him on. In the beginning he was on every major news network every day. The only one carrying the story now is HLN and CNN. I guess if NG gives it up, we'll be sunk!
If you followed the Scott Peterson trial, you know that Justin Falconer was also given lots of invitations to appear on the various shows. We know for a fact that his opinion was absolutely useless.
I do think LP is way above Justin Falconer, but I don't believe we can put any emphasis on the fact that the talk shows continue to give him the plug.
He has come thru on a few issues, so it's not totally useless to listen to what he has to say. I'm just not sure that everything he's said is 100% truthful. Why didn't we hear about the polygraphs before?
Oh, and if LP EVER thought that Jose' Baez was going to allow him to talk to Casey, what does that really say about his experience or expertise in this field? He calls himself the best bounty hunter in the country (which is up for debate), but if he was so good at what he does, it wouldn't be so easy to pull the wool over his eyes.
I'm with the poster above who said, he thought this was going to pan out WAY different. I truly think he thought he was going to come out the hero in some way or another. No one will ever convince me that someone in his position would ever buy such a ludicrous scenario as the one Casey Anthony has put out there. It's absurd, IMO.
NatalieB
09-22-2008, 01:38 AM
I think forensick pretty much summed up my thoughts about the guy. I think he's a loser that keeps showing his self serving face on every opportunity that he can, for his own gain of course. His show got cancelled? Good. That guy needs to go away already.
Not only did they cancel his show, they also put out this statement:
A note to our viewers:
August 22, 2008
Erroneous news reports have claimed that Mr. Padilla is currently working with NGC, and that our network is in some way involved in Mr. Padilla’s efforts involving Caylee Anthony. These reports were wrong, and have since been corrected.
We want to assure you that NGC is not producing any new programs with Mr. Padilla and he is not currently working with National Geographic Channel or the National Geographic Society in any way.
http://ngcblog.nationalgeographic.com/ngcblog/2008/08/a_note_to_our_viewers.html
Boxer
09-22-2008, 10:13 AM
July 28, 2006
Timothy Boggs to be Released in Sacramento County...Why???
Timothy Boggs is to be released in Sacramento County sometime today. My first question is why is he being released? My next question is why in Sacramento?
Sexually violent child sex predator Timothy Lee Boggs is scheduled to be released in Sacramento County later today. Where he lives is up to him, with few exceptions.
Boggs, 52, was ordered released two weeks ago by a Sacramento County Superior Court judge. Boggs has convictions for molesting two 9-year-old Sacramento-area boys in the 1980s. He served 13 years in a treatment program at Atascadero State Hospital. By law, a convicted sex offender must be returned to the county where the crime was committed.
When Boggs is released, he will wear a satellite-tracking device on his ankle. He'll also be given his schedule for finishing the mandatory final phase of his treatment program and have to agree to drug and alcohol testing. However, he will be released to his attorney to live where he chooses, according to the state Department of Mental Health.
Boggs' release has prompted elected officials in Elk Grove, Folsom, Rancho Cordova, and Galt to pass ordinances prohibiting sexually violent child predators from being within a certain distance of where children congregate, such as schools, day care centers, parks, youth sports complexes and video game arcades. Legal experts say, however, such efforts are not enforceable. There will be other enforceable restrictions though, including a state law that prohibits a convicted sex offender from being within a quarter-mile of any K-12 school.
Boggs was scheduled for release in May 2005 but the Department of Mental Health reported it could not find suitable housing for him. The agency said it made 269 contacts into housing for Boggs but none developed into a suitable location.
Boggs will have five days to register as a sex offender with local and state law authorities. The Department of Mental Health said it has hired 24-hour private security to keep him under surveillance until he completes registration.
CBS 13) SACRAMENTO The attorney for convicted sex offender Timothy Boggs says the state is holding his client illegally and he should be released immediately.
Boggs was supposed to be released more than a year ago but the state says they've been unable to find property owners willing to allow Boggs to live on their land. Now local bounty hunter Leonard Padilla has offered to let Boggs live in a trailer on a 60-acre parcel along the west side of Interstate 5 in Natomas. But the land is adjacent to a gated community and residents there say the idea makes them uneasy.
Boggs' attorney says he's been treated and isn't a danger to the public.
http://www.sacramentorepublicrat.com/2006/07/timothy_boggs_to_be_released_i.php
NatalieB
09-22-2008, 12:34 PM
snip
CBS 13) SACRAMENTO The attorney for convicted sex offender Timothy Boggs says the state is holding his client illegally and he should be released immediately.
Boggs was supposed to be released more than a year ago but the state says they've been unable to find property owners willing to allow Boggs to live on their land. Now local bounty hunter Leonard Padilla has offered to let Boggs live in a trailer on a 60-acre parcel along the west side of Interstate 5 in Natomas. But the land is adjacent to a gated community and residents there say the idea makes them uneasy.
Boggs' attorney says he's been treated and isn't a danger to the public.
http://www.sacramentorepublicrat.com/2006/07/timothy_boggs_to_be_released_i.php
Oh dear God. I'm even more convinced there is something wrong with LP. While I fully support the justice system and realize this man has served his time (he'll probably recommit), why in the world would ANYONE want to associate with a pedophile?
MyrDawn
09-22-2008, 01:26 PM
Oh dear God. I'm even more convinced there is something wrong with LP. While I fully support the justice system and realize this man has served his time (he'll probably recommit), why in the world would ANYONE want to associate with a pedophile?
Good grief! Why the heck doesn't LP let the guy rot in prison? I've heard several different psychologists say over the years that a child molester can't be rehabilitated. It's seems to be one of the few things most of them agree on. Why would LP do it is beyond me!
JMO
Katprint
09-22-2008, 02:35 PM
Good grief! Why the heck doesn't LP let the guy rot in prison? I've heard several different psychologists say over the years that a child molester can't be rehabilitated. It's seems to be one of the few things most of them agree on. Why would LP do it is beyond me!
JMO
It would be great if child molesters were LWOP-ed in prison but this guy had already been ordered released weeks earlier. Also, notice that the article was written over two years ago, back in July 2006.
Whether or not the bad guy stayed in prison had nothing to do with LP. LP merely ensured that the bad guy didn't move into a neighborhood or apartment complex with children, or simply disappear altogether with law enforcement losing track of him completely as sometimes happens with ex-convicts. It is terribly difficult to find "suitable housing" for sex offenders because naturally nobody wants to live near them, but because correctional officials are not legally required to find "suitable housing" then they are simply placed in "unsuitable housing" after their release like the group of sex offenders who were housed near Disneyland until public outcry forced their move. http://articles.latimes.com/2006/may/31/local/me-offenders31
I applaud LP's efforts to keep a child molester from being housed closer to children. There's only so much LP can do, though, since state law prohibits housing discrimination against families with children so children live pretty much everywhere.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Boxer
09-22-2008, 02:57 PM
It would be great if child molesters were LWOP-ed in prison but this guy had already been ordered released weeks earlier. Also, notice that the article was written over two years ago, back in July 2006.
Whether or not the bad guy stayed in prison had nothing to do with LP. LP merely ensured that the bad guy didn't move into a neighborhood or apartment complex with children, or simply disappear altogether with law enforcement losing track of him completely as sometimes happens with ex-convicts. It is terribly difficult to find "suitable housing" for sex offenders because naturally nobody wants to live near them, but because correctional officials are not legally required to find "suitable housing" then they are simply placed in "unsuitable housing" after their release like the group of sex offenders who were housed near Disneyland until public outcry forced their move. http://articles.latimes.com/2006/may/31/local/me-offenders31
I applaud LP's efforts to keep a child molester from being housed closer to children. There's only so much LP can do, though, since state law prohibits housing discrimination against families with children so children live pretty much everywhere.
Katprint
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he was close to children. There is a video of the people in the neighborhood directly across the road saying how upset they were. A neighborhood full of children
Katprint
09-22-2008, 03:12 PM
he was close to children. There is a video of the people in the neighborhood directly across the road saying how upset they were. A neighborhood full of children
Across the road, as opposed to in the house or apartment next door, is still an improvement. Perhaps you could show me the area in Sacramento County where there is cheap housing available to recently-paroled ex-convicts but where no children live?
There is no dispute that it is a bad situation. These guys have to go somewhere and there is no good place for them. Improvement is a matter of degrees i.e. 100 feet away is better than 10 feet away, 1000 feet away is better than 100 feet away, and so on. An isolated mobilehome on 60 acres - albeit across the road from a normal residential neighborhood - does not strike me as outrageous or blameworthy. In the article I cited http://articles.latimes.com/2006/may/31/local/me-offenders31 one of the state parole administrators was even looking into "buying a trailer and putting it on a piece of land that is compliant” with the residency law (which only requires distance from schools/parks, not from homes where children live.)
I think it is wrong to hold LP responsible for there not being enough suitable housing for ex-convict child molesters. I think LP was trying to help but of course he cannot singlehandedly fix this problem.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
NatalieB
09-22-2008, 03:50 PM
It would be great if child molesters were LWOP-ed in prison but this guy had already been ordered released weeks earlier. Also, notice that the article was written over two years ago, back in July 2006.
Whether or not the bad guy stayed in prison had nothing to do with LP. LP merely ensured that the bad guy didn't move into a neighborhood or apartment complex with children, or simply disappear altogether with law enforcement losing track of him completely as sometimes happens with ex-convicts. It is terribly difficult to find "suitable housing" for sex offenders because naturally nobody wants to live near them, but because correctional officials are not legally required to find "suitable housing" then they are simply placed in "unsuitable housing" after their release like the group of sex offenders who were housed near Disneyland until public outcry forced their move. http://articles.latimes.com/2006/may/31/local/me-offenders31
I applaud LP's efforts to keep a child molester from being housed closer to children. There's only so much LP can do, though, since state law prohibits housing discrimination against families with children so children live pretty much everywhere.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Well, applaud him all you like, but most of us won't be drinking that Kool-Aid. The man was set to walk out of prison a year earlier, but since there was nowhere for him to go, he remained in custody. I won't presume to say that you didn't read the article, but it did indeed clearly state that he would have been under 24 hour surveillance till he complied with his registration (getting set up where he was going to live). He also had to wear and ankle bracelet, so I'm sure authorities would have been able to track him, at least while he wore that bracelet.
Of course, we know they don't always properly track registered sex offenders, but it appeared this would have been tracked quite well at least from the start.
What LP did however, was ensure that the pedophile could be released. Clap all you like about that, but I find it repugnant. Sure, there are a lot of LP's out there doing the same, but they're equally as repulsive to me.
As for when this took place. I don't care if it was 20 years ago. It clues us in on LP's character.
NatalieB
09-22-2008, 03:54 PM
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I think it is wrong to hold LP responsible for there not being enough suitable housing for ex-convict child molesters. I think LP was trying to help but of course he cannot singlehandedly fix this problem.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Well, when you show us anyone who holds LP responsible for there not being enough housing available, you might actually make a point. No one holds him accountable for the housing situation where pedophiles are concerned (which I for one have little sympathy for). He's only being held accountable for stepping up to the plate to help put one of these creeps back out on the street.
Sorry you don't understand that.
This guy is totally useless and although I love Nancy Grace, I cannot fathom why she continues to have him on her show. He's doing nothing for the investigation or for Nancy's TV viewers.
Well, I am one of NG's viewers and I like LP - He's an ok guy who does care about little Caylee and finding her. How easy is it to say "Everyone wants their 15 mins of fame?" When nothing else is offered up, this is the typical mantra. The man wanted to help - :seeya:
Katprint
09-22-2008, 04:42 PM
Well, applaud him all you like, but most of us won't be drinking that Kool-Aid. The man was set to walk out of prison a year earlier, but since there was nowhere for him to go, he remained in custody. I won't presume to say that you didn't read the article, but it did indeed clearly state that he would have been under 24 hour surveillance till he complied with his registration (getting set up where he was going to live). He also had to wear and ankle bracelet, so I'm sure authorities would have been able to track him, at least while he wore that bracelet.
Of course, we know they don't always properly track registered sex offenders, but it appeared this would have been tracked quite well at least from the start.
What LP did however, was ensure that the pedophile could be released. Clap all you like about that, but I find it repugnant. Sure, there are a lot of LP's out there doing the same, but they're equally as repulsive to me.
As for when this took place. I don't care if it was 20 years ago. It clues us in on LP's character.
You are missing my point on the bigger picture. The state tried the avenue of not releasing these high risk sex offenders until they had a good place to put them, but the courts require that these offenders must be released, suitable housing or not. In this particular case, the offender's attorney had challenged the ongoing detention as being illegal and won an order forcing his release. He was going to be released "to live where he chooses, according to the state Department of Mental Health." LP did not "enable" the release; the court-ordered release was going to happen regardless. If there was "no place for him to go" then presumably he would merely have disappeared into the homeless population or joined all the other child molesters already living in our neighborhoods.
I don't see how living in a mobilehome on a 60 acre lot is worse than closer proximity to children (for example in an apartment complex with children.) Also, I did not see where the release to the mobilehome canceled the mandatory tracking. The part I read says "When Boggs is released, he will wear a satellite-tracking device on his ankle. He'll also be given his schedule for finishing the mandatory final phase of his treatment program and have to agree to drug and alcohol testing."
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
NatalieB
09-22-2008, 04:51 PM
You are missing my point on the bigger picture. The state tried the avenue of not releasing these high risk sex offenders until they had a good place to put them, but the courts require that these offenders must be released, suitable housing or not. In this particular case, the offender's attorney had challenged the ongoing detention as being illegal and won an order forcing his release. He was going to be released "to live where he chooses, according to the state Department of Mental Health." LP did not "enable" the release; the court-ordered release was going to happen regardless. If there was "no place for him to go" then presumably he would merely have disappeared into the homeless population or joined all the other child molesters already living in our neighborhoods.
I don't see how living in a mobilehome on a 60 acre lot is worse than closer proximity to children (for example in an apartment complex with children.) Also, I did not see where the release to the mobilehome canceled the mandatory tracking. The part I read says "When Boggs is released, he will wear a satellite-tracking device on his ankle. He'll also be given his schedule for finishing the mandatory final phase of his treatment program and have to agree to drug and alcohol testing."
Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Would YOU step up to the plate to help a pedophile in a similar situation?
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