Sept. 19

[geragoes]

On Thursday ,Sept. 18 The evidence presented in the court showed that O J Planned a robbery. A Felony.

Whatever that OJ had planned for that night, what he actually did is the subject of this trial.

OJ must pay. The reason I say that is because I have gone through the small claims court process and I know that it can be tedious.

That does not give the monster the right to bust in with TWO guns.


Forum: O.J. Simpson Trial Post
:seeya::seeya:

OJ has had his fun. Now is the time to put him away Via this gift wrapped situation.

Bye Bye OJ:beer:

[AnnInOhio]

Trial to resume at 8:00 Las Vegas Time

[AnnInOhio]

I already started one and added a link. :read:

I've asked Coldwater to close/delete this thread. Everyone, please direct Friday discussion to the other 9/19/08 link!

[AnnInOhio]

The only thing I've decided so far in this trial is that all of the "Stuff" should be destroyed immediately following this trial. I don't care who it belongs to.

[callmetree]

Which one of you ran down to get OJs autograph?

Apparent autograph seeker escorted from O.J. trial

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_10500310

:seeya: thank you for the new thread. i've got alot of catching up to do. luckily i'm off today so just maybe i'll be able to do alot of :read:. there goes getting apt. cleaned.....

[callmetree]

just needed to shout out another THANK YOU to guernica for all the info. that was provided to me for a question i asked yesterday. i know it had to have been very time consuming. very nice poster.:seeya:

[Kara]

Yesterday's thread is closed but I just wanted to give a shout out to Details for his/her very detailed post from the transcripts over there. (post #391)

Here's a link to the Clark County courthouse media site. There are links to all the transcripts there if you scroll down the page.

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media.html

I need to credit Cloey, from the ktla forum for the link. I didn't find it myself. :)

[AnnInOhio]

Simpson: I don't wanna go into their room. If you go into their room and they tell you to leave then you gotta leave. I gotta wait and see when my guy calls find out.

Sounds to me like OJ has possibly conferred with an attorney beforehand about this sting. It sounds to me like OJ intended to get the memorabilia back and have somebody sell it for him, which is what he initially intended to do when he had it secreted away from LE from Rockingham. I loved Riccio's line "And, and you got problems with this guy Yale that used to work with you."

[AnnInOhio]

Yes, Riccio testified yesterday that when he was with O.J. and the 20 or so people around him poolside at the Palms, that both Simpson's and O.J.'s sister had both told O.J. not to proceed with the plan. Riccio did not say which sister it was and I can't remember the attorney's name. It was not Galanter nor was it Grasso. I think it started with an S -- a name I had not heard before. It wasn't Shapiro (from back in 1994) either.

OJ makes a big deal on the tapes about others evading the turn over orders, but the defense is going to have to explain why, if OJ knew Gilbert had his stuff or knew "stuff" was out there somewhere, he didn't acknowledge it on his own interrogatories. I would think the legal position would be that after OJ acknowledged under oath that he had no other stuff being held by others, Gilbert's claim that the stuff was his (Gilbert's) was confirmed.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Someone please clarify for me if I am mistaken..Has the theory that the police not assisting OJ in getting stolen stuff back not the justification for ganging up on the victims of this crime?..It seems that poor OJ had to do this to get his personal momentos back..thus justified robbery of his own stuff..Is this correct??

Once someone clarifies this I will have a few comments..Hummmm

TYIA LMS:seeya:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

No, he never asked the police to help him get his stuff back. He chose to take the law into his own hands instead.

:seeya:

I just heard on Insession, them playing back some of Roccio's tewtimony of yesterday stating he spoke to FBI and local LA police about it???and told OJ their response and OJ said..Not Surprised..So it is then they started planning..?

LMS:shrug:

[AnnInOhio]

Someone please clarify for me if I am mistaken..Has the theory that the police not assisting OJ in getting stolen stuff back not the justification for ganging up on the victims of this crime?..It seems that poor OJ had to do this to get his personal momentos back..thus justified robbery of his own stuff..Is this correct??

Once someone clarifies this I will have a few comments..Hummmm

TYIA LMS:seeya:

I think Riccio acknowledged that OJ wasn't party to going to the FBI or police and it seems that OJ nixed Riccio's suggestion to have hotel security go with them.

[dmh]

I don't see another thread for 9/19 This is the only one?

[AnnInOhio]

That is certainly OJ's position in the matter.
Yale focused on "intent" in his opening statements. OJ just gettting his stuff.

It will be interesting to learn the legal definition of "intent", i.e. the difference between what OJ and the group originally intended to do versus what OJ decided on the spur of the moment to do just before entering the room. If OJ originally intended to calmly see what the guys had and be selective about what he retrieved but began to seethe with anger on the way to that room, did his intent evolve?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I think Riccio acknowledged that OJ wasn't party to going to the FBI or police and it seems that OJ nixed Riccio's suggestion to have hotel security go with them.

I guess it's common sense for LE not to get involved even if this was stolen from OJ...( mean the Goldmans) as legally statute of limitatons of stolen items cause was long past..so OJ was well aware he couldnt do it legally via civil suit because then the Goldman's would know about it..

Once again, it was OJ running the show..the why's, the where,s and the who,s..with Riccio as the middleman...Just another example of all the behind the scenes manipulations to hide his (OJ's) assets..

LMS:punch:

[AnnInOhio]

I don't see another thread for 9/19 This is the only one?


There were two, now merged into one. Coldwater is watching over us. I've mentioned before that I always think of Bill Cosby's old "God talking to Noah" skit when I think of Coldwater. The powerful voice that seems to come out of nowhere. "Noah, this is God."

[dmh]

why do we need another?

Didn't someone say they asked coldwater to close this thread and redirect to other 9/19 thread? I agree we do not need any other thread:) or maybe I just read it wrong

[Cornblossom]

Someone please clarify for me if I am mistaken..Has the theory that the police not assisting OJ in getting stolen stuff back not the justification for ganging up on the victims of this crime?..It seems that poor OJ had to do this to get his personal momentos back..thus justified robbery of his own stuff..Is this correct??

Once someone clarifies this I will have a few comments..Hummmm

TYIA LMS:seeya:OJ would have had to have gone to the police and filed a report himself beings he was claiming it was his property. Riccio couldn't do it for him-which he stated he went to the FBI-OJ didn't.

[AnnInOhio]

I guess it's common sense for LE not to get involved even if this was stolen from OJ...( mean the Goldmans) as legally statute of limitatons of stolen items cause was long past..so OJ was well aware he couldnt do it legally via civil suit because then the Goldman's would know about it..

Once again, it was OJ running the show..the why's, the where,s and the who,s..with Riccio as the middleman...Just another example of all the behind the scenes manipulations to hide his (OJ's) assets..

LMS:punch:

What did anybody EXPECT to hear on those tapes? OJ admitting in front of a group of friends that he was too cheap to pay his mom's storage bill? Or that he thought Mike Gilbert was responsible for hiding his stuff from the Goldmans for him for the rest of his life? Like Gilbert wasn't hassled enough about hiding the Heisman Trophy for him!

[AnnInOhio]

When do we get Mike Gilbert on the stand? Isn't he the one who will have to clarify who owned the "stuff". And, perhaps, what OJ was aware of about that? (The storage place legally auctioned it off?)

I don't think legally it matters WHO actually owned the stuff. Defense is making it matter in order to defend the matter of OJ's intent. That's why I think OJ's interrogatory will offset what OJ says.

[geragoes]

Can we please have public access to the trial.....ummmm its in the Constitution.

The only public I have seen in the court is an older couple and the autograph hound.
:shrug:

[FrankieBones1]

Trial to resume at 8:00 Las Vegas Time

Hi, Ann. I'm time zone challenged. Is that 11am Eastern?

[AnnInOhio]

Hi, Ann. I'm time zone challenged. Is that 11am Eastern?


LOL. Yes, they're running late. I was also time zone challenged until my daughter moved to LA!

[AnnInOhio]

LOL. Yes, they're running late. I was also time zone challenged until my daughter moved to LA!


Are they doing the crime scene viewing right now with the jury?

[Fallen Angel]

Good Morning...........MSNBC just said the jurors went to the HOTEL....to see how small it is......Ohhhhh bet OJ's pissed :lol:

[Fallen Angel]

Are they doing the crime scene viewing right now with the jury?

Yes ma'am :D

[AnnInOhio]

Yes ma'am :D


Looking at that room helps me! No way Fromong & Beasley woudn't have felt trapped with or without guns! Fromong loves that memorabilia too much to have crawled across the bed it was laid out on to get out!

[AnnInOhio]

Reading ahead on the transcripts, OJ says "the guys were there, stopped them from goin' from runnin' off with the stuff or whatever." Put this in context with his earlier statement that OJ knows if the victims tell him to get out of their room that he'll have to get out he clearly decided to control the situation.

[bearwds]

Reading ahead on the transcripts, OJ says "the guys were there, stopped them from goin' from runnin' off with the stuff or whatever." Put this in context with his earlier statement that OJ knows if the victims tell him to get out of their room that he'll have to get out he clearly decided to control the situation.
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G'Mornin Ann....and all...!!

Just getting up here on the W/C. Coffee is just about ready.

Today is "International Talk Like A Pirate Day"....Arrrr

Listening to the Pool Tape yesterday, it seemed like OJ was clearly in charge of this posee. Intent clear.


bearwds

[Lyndawitha"Y]

When do we get Mike Gilbert on the stand? Isn't he the one who will have to clarify who owned the "stuff". And, perhaps, what OJ was aware of about that? (The storage place legally auctioned it off?)


I agree Snow, I think Mike Gilbert is going to give the context as to any and all of the items that had been in storage over that decade..and how they came into these guy's possession.etc.

LMS;)

[Cornblossom]

How does OJ pay for his cell phone if he doesn't have a dime to pay the civil judgement against him? How about his big hotel bill while he is on trial?

jmo

:flamemad:he has a football pension that can't be touched to pay the goldman's.

[Ang Disaster]

Looking at that room helps me! No way Fromong & Beasley woudn't have felt trapped with or without guns! Fromong loves that memorabilia too much to have crawled across the bed it was laid out on to get out!

I can't believe that many of those rather large men managed to not trip over each other in that shoebox.

[Ang Disaster]

Does the guy with the sign realize it's upside down? :lol:

[cloe23]

When do we get Mike Gilbert on the stand? Isn't he the one who will have to clarify who owned the "stuff". And, perhaps, what OJ was aware of about that? (The storage place legally auctioned it off?)


IIRC OJ's belongings were placed into a storage shed by his family. This is when OJ was sitting in jail for that year. The family for whatever reason did not pay the rent on the shed so after going through the correct legal channels the owner of the storeage company had a public auction. Really kind of sad in a way.
I can really understand anyone's passion wanting to get their personal belongings back, but why not go about it in a legal way? Now all of OJ's personal belongings very well could be locked up in Las Vegas LE evidence rooms forever. To bad for OJ's kids. IMO
Correct me pls if I am way off here.

[AnnInOhio]

Seal is up on cnn.com live coverage feed

[Lyndawitha"Y]

IIRC OJ's belongings were placed into a storage shed by his family. This is when OJ was sitting in jail for that year. The family for whatever reason did not pay the rent on the shed so after going through the correct legal channels the owner of the storeage company had a public auction. Really kind of sad in a way.
I can really understand anyone's passion wanting to get their personal belongings back, but why not go about it in a legal way? Now all of OJ's personal belongings very well could be locked up in Las Vegas LE evidence rooms forever. To bad for OJ's kids. IMO
Correct me pls if I am way off here.

Hi Cloe..I think those belongings were put there by Mike Gilbert and his buddies..certainly NOT THE FAMILY of OJ..otherwise, the rent would have been paid by them..The storage was in their (Grandma) name only, thus not touchable by the Judgement..OJ knew exactly how to get his hands om them..inclding the Heinsman Trophy!!

LMS

[Ang Disaster]

Anyone have any idea why I can never get the KTLA feed to work properly? I've tried in Firefox & IE and it will play 5 seconds, then buffer, play 5 seconds, buffer some more....over and over. When the sound works, the video freezes. I can't win. :cuss:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Anyone have any idea why I can never get the KTLA feed to work properly? I've tried in Firefox & IE and it will play 5 seconds, then buffer, play 5 seconds, buffer some more....over and over. When the sound works, the video freezes. I can't win. :cuss:

Same thing for me Ang..so use CNN and lava..or the other local feed..Dang it anyway..cause I really enjoy Loni and Marta!!

LMS:cuss:

[AnnInOhio]

IIRC OJ's belongings were placed into a storage shed by his family. This is when OJ was sitting in jail for that year. The family for whatever reason did not pay the rent on the shed so after going through the correct legal channels the owner of the storeage company had a public auction. Really kind of sad in a way.
I can really understand anyone's passion wanting to get their personal belongings back, but why not go about it in a legal way? Now all of OJ's personal belongings very well could be locked up in Las Vegas LE evidence rooms forever. To bad for OJ's kids. IMO
Correct me pls if I am way off here.

The person I'd like to see them put on instead of Gilbert is OJ's sister. She was there not only for the packing up of the stuff at Rockingham but was at the pool during the planning of the sting. Assuming it was the same sister both times, of course. She could be heard running her yap about her mother's storage.

[Ang Disaster]

Same thing for me Ang..so use CNN and lava..or the other local feed..Dang it anyway..cause I really enjoy Loni and Marta!!

LMS:cuss:

Not to ask a dumb question, but what's lava? :D
The only links I've come across are KNBC which isn't loud enough, thelegaledge.com, and CNN.

[Kara]

LKB had some really good work done...but she looks like she's heading to a cocktail party, not commenting on a morning cable news/court/tv show.

Judge Glass is live on the bench, discussing the jury view of the hotel room

[Ang Disaster]

I found this one works great. I switched.



http://www.lasvegasnow.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?vt1=l&d1=0&ClipId1=mms%3A//a310.l543138425.c5431.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/310/5431/v0001/reflector%3A38425&LiveURI=mms%3A//a310.l543138425.c5431.g.lm.akamaistream.net/D/310/5431/v0001/reflector%3A38425&h1=Live Streaming Video&at1=News&LiveURITitle=Live%20Streaming%20Video&LaunchPageAdTag=News&fvCatNo=undefined&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/category.asp%3FC%3D5546%26nav%3Dmenu102_1&rnd=55686272

Thank you for another link, you are saving me from chucking the laptop out the window. :seeya:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Not to ask a dumb question, but what's lava? :D
The only links I've come across are KNBC which isn't loud enough, thelegaledge.com, and CNN.

Sorry..I meant LasVegasNow..Sorry..all the live links are located on the link thread tho..not sure about the CNN one tho..

LMShammer

[cloe23]

Hi Cloe..I think those belongings were put there by Mike Gilbert and his buddies..certainly NOT THE FAMILY of OJ..otherwise, the rent would have been paid by them..The storage was in their (Grandma) name only, thus not touchable by the Judgement..OJ knew exactly how to get his hands om them..inclding the Heinsman Trophy!!

LMS

TY for the insight.

[Ang Disaster]

Sorry..I meant LasVegasNow..Sorry..all the live links are located on the link thread tho..not sure about the CNN one tho..

LMShammer


Ok, thank you. I checked the link thread first and was like :confused: about lava. Thanks for clearing that up.

[bearwds]

Mornin' Bear,

I agree he was in charge.

Why is the rum always gone? Arrrr.......
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Avast Emu....!!

Jury had visit...breakfast and ready for courtroom. Speedy.

Slight buzz about a juror walking the room for measurement and small interaction among two jurors. Called "inconsequential" by Marta.

.....it's not all gone ....arrrr


bearwds

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Has it been a while since you have deleted the Temporary Internet files (cache) on your computer lately?

I do that daily..end of day..everyday..and scan for viruses etc..so thats not the problem..KTLA changed their format at the beginning of the year, thus my access has been altered...rats..anyway..
LMS:cuss:

BTW..I finally got access to PDF files..I have to dowload them to file, then I can read them..my browser (Vista) woulnt allow my access online..

[Ang Disaster]

Has it been a while since you have deleted the Temporary Internet files (cache) on your computer lately?

I'm not the lovely Ms. Lynda, but I delete mine on a daily basis and have checked all of my settings and still no luck.

[Kara]

I do that daily..end of day..everyday..and scan for viruses etc..so thats not the problem..KTLA changed their format at the beginning of the year, thus my access has been altered...rats..anyway..
LMS:cuss:

BTW..I finally got access to PDF files..I have to dowload them to file, then I can read them..my browser (Vista) woulnt allow my access online..
Isn't Vista an OS, not a browser?

My laptop has Vista but I use Opera or IE as my browsers. I have great luck with ktla using IE but I can't access it using Opera.:shrug:

Oh...which tape number is this? I would like to follow it via the trancripts on the Clark County courts media website.

[kmc]

does anybody have the link to the transcripts that are from the courthouse? These are too blurry to read.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Isn't Vista an OS, not a browser?

My laptop has Vista but I use Opera or IE as my browsers. I have great luck with ktla using IE but I can't access it using Opera.:shrug:

Oh...which tape number is this? I would like to follow it via the trancripts on the Clark County courts media website.

#5 is what I was told
LMS

Sorry..quoted wrong poster..but in reference to Vista..I have no clue on IE..or OS or whatever....I get my son in here to problemsolve

Whoops.did quote right poster...LOL..I am getting sensory overloaded here!

[Ang Disaster]

I would pay money to see Tom Riccio on Judge Judy.

[Ang Disaster]

does anybody have the link to the transcripts that are from the courthouse? These are too blurry to read.

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media/Riccio_Transcripts/Recording_File_5.pdf

[dmh]

Todays tape is much better. Yesterday I had to turn the volume off because I was getting a headache. I'm glad the jurors have a transcript to follow.

[bearwds]

WoW....!!

They got a deal and only paid $37.00 for the Palace Hotel room.

No wonder they did it there. Cheaper than Motel 6.


bearwds

[RGG]

This is better to read along with than that yellow page:
http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media/Riccio_Transcripts/Recording_File_5.pdf

they're probably at about page 12 by now.

[AnnInOhio]

Couldn't hear - what did she say about it?

Refer to Recording File 3,
pag 26 line 19 Simpson says "She was there when we was movin in"
I believe he is referring to his sister who is there at the pool during the conversation about the items Gilbert had and

page 30 line 15 thru page 32 I believe it's the same woman (sister) talking about their mother

[warrkat]

Riccio's laughing..........lol

I'm confused. Trying to listen, but have to use the transcript because I'm in the office. At this point in the tape, does Riccio know it is OJ they are meeting?

[bearwds]

What are the jurors thinking? They're not allowed to use the transcripts. It begs the question: but for the transcripts, what are they saying? IMO, not much more than a "juvenile caper" without any thought of consequences. Just a bunch of thugs, planning a thug on thug crime. It makes me ill, but again, we're talking Thugville.

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For what it's worth, jurors have transcripts to follow along. They can't take them back to the jury room though. Per Judge Glass.


bearwds

[AnnInOhio]

What are the jurors thinking? They're not allowed to use the transcripts. It begs the question: but for the transcripts, what are they saying? IMO, not much more than a "juvenile caper" without any thought of consequences. Just a bunch of thugs, planning a thug on thug crime. It makes me ill, but again, we're talking Thugville.

The jury was given transcripts, they just have to turn them back in when a tape's not being listened to. They won't be able to take them to the jury room because the transcript isn't evidence.

[kmc]

This is fasinating. A little vouyristic if you put on headphones. Really good stuff.

[legalmania]

I'm confused. Trying to listen, but have to use the transcript because I'm in the office. At this point in the tape, does Riccio know it is OJ they are meeting?

your not missing anything just talk talk talk talk. I don't think these guys know what silence means.

[dmh]

These are not 'tapes'.

These pocket recorders are downloaded into the PC and can be edited. There are no tapes for transcription.

My son's divorce attorney had him use one.

http://pocketpccentral.net/software/voice_rec.htm

Oh...OK:) Guess I'm just an oldie

[warrkat]

your not missing anything just talk talk talk talk. I don't think these guys know what silence means.

sounds like a bunch of cackling chickens, doesn't it?

[Kara]

These tapes make me sad....
Oj had an amazingly strong mother, a woman who made him home made splints to recover from scurvey (If I remember the name right...or was it rickets?)

And then we move on to the discussion of Michal Vic and how this market is so forgiving...of a double murderer, just dont' hurt dogs. :(

I love dogs but I value human life above that. It makes me sad that we can forgive the murder of people before we can forgive the murder of dogs.......

[Ang Disaster]

I swear I thought I heard a cow 'moo'!!:shrug:

What an unseemly bunch of big mouths. I'm surprised neither of them required oxygen seeing as they never came up for air.

[kmc]

I wonder why these guys, Fromoung and Beardsley, were not able to figure out that this was O.J.? Even Beardsley questioned it.

[legalmania]

I swear I thought I heard a cow 'moo'!!:shrug:

If Beardsley was calm on this day I would hate to see when he's hyper.

[bearwds]

[QUOTE=Kara

And then we move on to the discussion of Michal Vic and how this market is so forgiving...of a double murderer, just dont' hurt dogs. :(
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Wasn't there a "wailing dog" on scene at another incident in OJ's life ??


bearwds

[Ang Disaster]

[QUOTE=Kara

And then we move on to the discussion of Michal Vic and how this market is so forgiving...of a double murderer, just dont' hurt dogs. :(
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Wasn't there a "wailing dog" on scene at another incident in OJ's life ??


bearwds

Indeed. One of Nicole's neighbors dog.

[kmc]

[QUOTE=bearwds;12148051]

Indeed. One of Nicole's neighbors dog.

I also thought the 911 calls were simular too.

[warrkat]

[QUOTE=bearwds;12148051]

Indeed. One of Nicole's neighbors dog.


LOL. But OJ wasn't there, so that one doesn't count.

[dmh]

On the tapes...ooops, I mean recorder, did beardsley ask if OJ did it? Meaning the murder? I noticed riccio did not answer..Maybe he just shrugged because he knew this was on tape.:chicken:

[Ang Disaster]

[QUOTE=Ang Disaster;12148063]


LOL. But OJ wasn't there, so that one doesn't count.

Of course. ;)

[legalmania]

What is Dominick Dunn doing to his face? He looks like that character out of scream. Sorry Dominick I love you and your show.

[bearwds]

On the tapes...ooops, I mean recorder, did beardsley ask if OJ did it? Meaning the murder? I noticed riccio did not answer..Maybe he just shrugged because he knew this was on tape.:chicken:
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One must not forget that the only person who knew conversation was being taped was Riccio. A lot of self-serving blah-blah.

Downfall on stand being his own self. Can't shut-up.

Blowhard.


bearwds

[Ang Disaster]

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One must not forget that the only person who knew conversation was being taped was Riccio. A lot of self-serving blah-blah.

Downfall on stand being his own self. Can't shut-up.

Blowhard.


bearwds

The amount of verbal diarrhea emanated throughout this trial is astounding. It does however, make for good TV.

[Lqqkout]

These tapes make me sad....
Oj had an amazingly strong mother, a woman who made him home made splints to recover from scurvey (If I remember the name right...or was it rickets?)

And then we move on to the discussion of Michal Vic and how this market is so forgiving...of a double murderer, just dont' hurt dogs. :(

I love dogs but I value human life above that. It makes me sad that we can forgive the murder of people before we can forgive the murder of dogs.......

Not to be disrespectful, but Vic was found Guilty , OJ Simpson was found NG. Forgiving has nothing to do with how I feel.

[bearwds]

RICCIO: "But I kept my cool".


I bet he wet his pants.


Arrrr......



bearwds

[legalmania]

Did you see in the transcript of the second recording last night where
Riccio was leaving OJ's room and said something to his friend about when OJ killed Nicole?:eek:

What page?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Yiks...Does this courts proceedings use a court recorder..or is it video taped..then transcribed?...At the speed this guy talks..I cant imagine trying to transcribe this!!

LMS:eek:

[legalmania]

Yiks...Does this courts proceedings use a court recorder..or is it video taped..then transcribed?...At the speed this guy talks..I cant imagine trying to transcribe this!!

LMS:eek:

I agree what a headache this guy gave me last night.

[bearwds]

I believe the only thing returned was Riccio's cell phone which was left at the hotel desk.


bearwds

[Kara]

What is Dominick Dunn doing to his face? He looks like that character out of scream. Sorry Dominick I love you and your show.I believe he is in the process of dying. That could be a little tough on a man's face...

[meopongo~]

It was towards the very end of the second recording, don't remember
the page, but it was when Riccio and his friend had left OJ's room.
IIRC

prolly one of the last pages.. it was when they ran into prody..OJ's GF...and riccio had left the recorder running in his pocket. i don't think the jury has a transcript with that part on it tho.

[legalmania]

It was towards the very end of the second recording, don't remember
the page, but it was when Riccio and his friend had left OJ's room.
IIRC

Does anybody have the link to the transcript I just couldn't get through them last night?

[legalmania]

I think I know what O.J. is doing with his mouth sunflower seeds. I remember the Florida Marlins always had them in their mouth same motion.

[Browneyes]

These tapes make me sad....
Oj had an amazingly strong mother, a woman who made him home made splints to recover from scurvey (If I remember the name right...or was it rickets?)

And then we move on to the discussion of Michal Vic and how this market is so forgiving...of a double murderer, just dont' hurt dogs. :(

I love dogs but I value human life above that. It makes me sad that we can forgive the murder of people before we can forgive the murder of dogs.......

Hi Kara.....I haven't been able to follow the whole trial, but check in frequently for updates and opinions...:D

To be honest, this Judge gets on my last nerve. She is very condescending.....:( I don't think she needs to overreact so much.

[Cornblossom]

Does anybody have the link to the transcript I just couldn't get through them last night?http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media.html

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Does anybody have the link to the transcript I just couldn't get through them last night?

There's a whole bunch on the link thread legalmania.

LMS:seeya:

[legalmania]

Page 43 of recording #4.

Thanks do you have a link to that page? If not I'll look at yesterday links.

[dmh]

Riccio is trying to be a friend to prosecutors and OJ. Guess he is looking out for his future business!

You are so right!

[warrkat]

The commentator had to look up rickets?

[Kara]

Not to be disrespectful, but Vic was found Guilty , OJ Simpson was found NG. Forgiving has nothing to do with how I feel.I was posting my reaction to the words on the transcript, not the transcript or my own reaction to actuality.

I'm simply reacting to the words offered in actuality....or something like that......

[meopongo~]

Does anybody have the link to the transcript I just couldn't get through them last night?

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media.html

[legalmania]

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media.html

Thanks. Cornblossom.

[Kara]

Hi Kara.....I haven't been able to follow the whole trial, but check in frequently for updates and opinions...:D

To be honest, this Judge gets on my last nerve. She is very condescending.....:( I don't think she needs to overreact so much.Hey darlin! I kinda like the judge. lol I guess we can disagree on a topic or two, huh?

O/T...meant to email you earlier today.... Have you gotten a request for a reference yet? The others have.... (please say nice things about me...):cool:

[legalmania]

I was posting my reaction to the words on the transcript, not the transcript or my own reaction to actuality.

I'm simply reacting to the words offered in actuality....or something like that......

Everybody is entitled to their opinion. That is the truth. The transcript is not evidence so the jury can come to their own conclusion.

[meopongo~]

legalmania...it's on page 43 of the transcript that has 44 pages....can't remember what number that is, sorry.

[llylabrat]

did we just hear someone use the bathroom and zip up?:eek:

[Kara]

Why does this tape sound like the musice from 2001, space odyssey? (sp?)

[Lqqkout]

anyone know which recording and page we are on??

[legalmania]

legalmania...it's on page 43 of the transcript that has 44 pages....can't remember what number that is, sorry.

Found it read it and it's crazy.

[Details]

I think you're talking about the slot machine sounds. There's a lot of noise in the casinos, the slot machines especially.

[Lqqkout]

anyone know which recording and page we are on??

Never mind I found it....answering my own post...#6 page 6.

[Browneyes]

Hey darlin! I kinda like the judge. lol I guess we can disagree on a topic or two, huh?

O/T...meant to email you earlier today.... Have you gotten a request for a reference yet? The others have.... (please say nice things about me...):cool:

Of course we can agree to disagree...:tongue: ....makes life interesting.

No reference requests yet.....:shrug:

[legalmania]

I think you're talking about the slot machine sounds. There's a lot of noise in the casinos, the slot machines especially.

The prosecutor said in one of the tapes that somebody used the bathroom. Details I hope I wasn't rude to you last night I had such a headache. I apologize if I was.

[AnnInOhio]

On the earlier testimony, File 5, page 25, line 25 where it says
"Beardsley: Remember we sent the money in to Yale and everything." was Beardsley stating that dealers had sent money from sales of memorabilia to Yale on behalf of OJ and that Riccio had talked to Yale about deals? I'm totally lost as to what that conversation as about.

Also, I'm under the impression that Fromong and Beardsley didn't have the family pictures but knew where to get them - and Mike Gilbert had nothing to do with the pictures in spite of what OJ thinks. Is that right?

[legalmania]

I love it when we all play nice!:D

Your right back to fighting.

[kmc]

Listening to these guys talking about making money off of stuff that O.J. signed in jail makes me sick.

[Kara]

There is no page 7 on the list; we go from 6 to 8. I wonder why.
I remember noticing that when the judge was checking thru the packages for the jurors.
You are looking for transcript 7. Look for page 7 of transcript 6.

[legalmania]

What? why on earth do you think so? I just make a little joke.

I got it I was joking back.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

On the earlier testimony, File 5, page 25, line 25 where it says
"Beardsley: Remember we sent the money in to Yale and everything." was Beardsley stating that dealers had sent money from sales of memorabilia to Yale on behalf of OJ and that Riccio had talked to Yale about deals? I'm totally lost as to what that conversation as about.

Also, I'm under the impression that Fromong and Beardsley didn't have the family pictures but knew where to get them - and Mike Gilbert had nothing to do with the pictures in spite of what OJ thinks. Is that right?

Its not the first time Yals's name has cropped up..Yale is into hiding mney for OJ just like Mike Gilbert and Fromong...Remember Fromong speaking about opening off shore accounts for OJ??
HUMMM.Theyre all in cahoots!
LMS

[legalmania]

Wonder what the Goldman's could do with that info?

They gotta prove that. No attorney is gonna go after another attorney, without mega proof.

[Details]

The prosecutor said in one of the tapes that somebody used the bathroom. Details I hope I wasn't rude to you last night I had such a headache. I apologize if I was.I certainly don't think you were rude last night. We've both got our own opinions on the case - but that isn't rude. Furthest thing from it.

[Details]

Interesting stuff - to me, Riccio sounds like he wanted to cancel it, since it wasn't the family photos and such. I think he even went downstairs to try to talk OJ out of it.

[legalmania]

I'm sure they are very aware of it - and if they can catch someone for it they will, but it must be very hard to do.

Attorneys stick together like glue, they act like they hate each other in the courtroom and then their having dinner at night.

[Details]

We're getting there. Close to robbery time. A few more pages. Starts on page 59 - and we're on page 53.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Wonder what the Goldman's could do with that info?

I do believe they understand Yale's activities...but until they can prove it, Yale claims."Client Confidentiality"..It's tuff to get to the root of the problem as long as an attny has that protection!!
LMS:punch:hammer

[Details]

Now we're about page 56, 59 being where it starts.

Ah - I thought they'd take a break first. Short lunchbreak, going for only 30 minutes.

[legalmania]

I certainly don't think you were rude last night. We've both got our own opinions on the case - but that isn't rude. Furthest thing from it.

I don't remember much I woke up with my head on my keyboard. So I'm glad to hear that. Are they ever going to knock?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Anybody remeber what type of immunity deal Riccio got??

He seems to be totally free from any possibility of being inculpated to any of this caper..LOL

LMS:shrug:

[legalmania]

Once again I'm not missing any pages: just wonder about missing Transcripts - or as Clark County calls them "recording files" Note the Clark County list; recording file numbers 1, 2 and 7 are missing.

Yes and if you call the county clerk they will say oh we just file them. I've have had some bad situations with clerks they think they own the place. I would only go to certain ones because some were just so difficult.

[Details]

I don't remember much I woke up with my head on my keyboard. So I'm glad to hear that. Are they ever going to knock?They'll knock right after lunch. I've read ahead. Pretty bad stuff for OJ. Short lunch - half an hour. I guess they'll be back by 1:00 and play the robbery.

[bearwds]

Back...had to do some chores. Found the story about Red Foxx and the "Sanford and Sons" bogus trucks amusing.

There is someone out there right now going..."Whaaa"


bearwds

[warrkat]

They'll knock right after lunch. I've read ahead. Pretty bad stuff for OJ. Short lunch - half an hour. I guess they'll be back by 1:00 and play the robbery.

So 4 my time (eastern) the "good stuff" will start??
sorry, our phone here has been ringing like crazy, and I missed some of the recording.

[Lqqkout]

The way Riccio keeps going on about this "personal stuff" he knew exactly what OJ wanted and it sounds as if he assured OJ that the pictures would be there.

I think so, too. I believe Riccio set OJ up big time by promising him personal photos, when Riccio really knew they were not going to be there, some but not many. See transcript #6 pg 10 where Beardsley says" I told you over and over about the photos and Riccio cut him off. Riccio didn't want THAT info on the tape for OJ to hear.. IMO

[Lqqkout]

Back...had to do some chores. Found the story about Red Foxx and the "Sanford and Sons" bogus trucks amusing.

There is someone out there right now going..."Whaaa"


bearwds

Yes, someone just found out they bought a very expensive lemon.

[Lqqkout]

Interesting stuff - to me, Riccio sounds like he wanted to cancel it, since it wasn't the family photos and such. I think he even went downstairs to try to talk OJ out of it.

I think Riccio knew well in advance that the personal photos were not going to be there. He set this entire thing up to make money off OJ. See trans #6 pg10 where he cuts off Beardsley saying "I told you over and over about the photos". Riccio is a professional con....cutie pie though.

[Details]

Hey I wouldn't mind having a jar of Elvis' bathwater....:biggrin:...I'll go for a jar of Elvis' money - I'm the practical type.

Hopefully anytime now.

[bearwds]

When is the glossed over "off-shore accounts", going to come in ??

To me, this is of more interest than the caper trial.

Sounds like more than one person helped (Yale??)

Mike needs to come clean on this.


bearwds

[legalmania]

Hey I wouldn't mind having a jar of Elvis' bathwater....:biggrin:


Barry'sgirl, you are welcome and I think 4 Pm is correct...

Lqqkout, I think you are right, he didn't want OJ to know... but I do think Riccio did think there was going to be more pictures (personal) until he saw them. He still had plenty of time to call it off though.

Gotta finish getting ready for dinner before they start back...Hubby is already home. Good thing though, he is taking a nap so I won't wake him until they are done...He told me he doesn't want to hear one word about this *#@* trial....LOL

I hope that bathwater isn't really toilet water.

[bearwds]

Hi Wendy... I've got a beef with you. Tripped over one of your olde cinnamon rolls this morning and broke my toe.

OK...robbery tape to be played next. Good, I've only heard murky recordings of this. Transcript sould be a big help.

Court over today at 3pm LV time today.


bearwds

[Details]

It's on now

[Details]

I don't think the off shore accounts will come in - they're irrelevant to this. They show that once Fromong was a very trusted friend of OJ's, and was willing to do some unethical stuff to help him - but for this crime, it's pretty irrelevant.

[legalmania]

I don't think the off shore accounts will come in - they're irrelevant to this. They show that once Fromong was a very trusted friend of OJ's, and was willing to do some unethical stuff to help him - but for this crime, it's pretty irrelevant.

Ya I agree with you on that it's irrelevant.

[Details]

It's for a civil case. Or.... :biggrin: Goldman could get some thugs together, burst in on OJ in his home via a false appointment, and demand the records and passwords for the offshore accounts containing money that is his, that is the only penalty the killer of his son has been forced to pay. :biggrin:

[bearwds]

I don't think the off shore accounts will come in - they're irrelevant to this. They show that once Fromong was a very trusted friend of OJ's, and was willing to do some unethical stuff to help him - but for this crime, it's pretty irrelevant.
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Tell me this, if you would. If evidence of another crime is exposed in the course of a trial, is it not pursued ??

Money is the thing. It drove this crime and it has cheated a Goldman court order for $32M.

I would think the IRS, if no other entity would be interested in following through.

PS: OJ didn't have many "friends" that wern't there to make money off of him.


bearwds

[Details]

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Tell me this, if you would. If evidence of another crime is exposed in the course of a trial, is it not pursued ??

Money is the thing. It drove this crime and it has cheated a Goldman court order for $32M.

I would think the IRS, if no other entity would be interested in following through.

PS: OJ didn't have many "friends" that wern't there to make money off of him.


bearwdsIf evidence of another crime is exposed in the course of a trial, it is not persued in that trial. No, it is not. It might result in a new trial, were it related to the trial, it could be added charges - but this is related neither in theme nor time to the robbery.''

It'd likely be considered prejudicial - a juror could be lead into a feeling of "this guy is crooked every which way, he probably did this too, even though I'm not sure beyond a reasonable doubt, I'll vote to convict." - and that cannot be allowed.

Future charges could be filed, but no, a trial isn't going to just go into any crime that might exist.

[legalmania]

It would only work though if OJ is acquitted...LOL

OJ only lives about 20 minutes from me should I go check on his house?

[bearwds]

If Riccio had the tape recorder on him while they were bringing the stuff in the room...Beardsley was with him all the time...when did he put it on the armoire?
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IIRC...when he left the room after the robbery. Said something like ..I just stuck it up on the top of the arm (can't spell that word), or closet.


bearwds

[Details]

I wish there wasn't a football game on. Everytime they curse at the ref or whatever, I think the robbery section is starting.

[Details]

Stand the *** up before it gets ugly in here. Says it all, doesn't it.

[Details]

Yale knew all about this stuff - more allusions that Yale has been a middleman in passing money on sales of OJ memorabilia back to him.

[Details]

Fromong asked several times, over and over again, for his Montana stuff, and the baseball bats. OJ said he'd leave it at the desk, didn't.

And boy - that moment when he apparently reached for the phone to get Gilbert's number for OJ - sounds like one of the thugs almost attacked him.

Initial phone call to police, Beardsly describing them as being pushed around.

[Lqqkout]

This is insane !!! OJ is so innocent. He was set up and NOW the victims are planning to make $$.

[Details]

He wasn't set up - he wasn't surprised by a thing in there. He didn't say word one to the thugs like "What are you doing, stop it", etc. This was OJ's plan. He's in the middle, the loudest one there.


Beardsly describes them as a bunch of thugs.

[Details]

Riccio trying to convince them that one of the guys was a cop, slightly discouraging calling police, trying to say he wasn't in on it. Seems ticked one of his bags also taken.

[legalmania]

If Riccio had the tape recorder on him while they were bringing the stuff in the room...Beardsley was with him all the time...when did he put it on the armoire?

Riccio recorded the whole thing. From the pool all the way through. He got the room and then put the recorder on top of the armoire.

[Lqqkout]

Riccio trying to convince them that one of the guys was a cop, slightly discouraging calling police, trying to say he wasn't in on it. Seems ticked one of his bags also taken.

I didn't hear one of them saying he was a cop? Did I miss it?

[Lqqkout]

And now Beardsley is again sucking up to OJ, blaming Mike, yet he was the 1st one with the idea to call the police to make $$ off him. Beardsley is slime....

[cherylt]

Hey all,

Just checking in for the day. Do my ears deceive me or is Riccio acting like a "victim"? Why didn't he leave w/ OJ & Crew since he help set up this meeting to get his stuff back?

Hmmm, Yale is no good for OJ? Unbelievable! Wonder what the heck he has to do w/ selling of O'J's memorobilia....

[Lqqkout]

Riccio says "I thought I saw a gun". on 6, pg77 line 25. THAT speaks volumes !!! Setup.......

[janigirl]

ITs hard to tell the Slime form the (other) Slime in this case, isn't it?

ita :shrug:

[kmc]

R-R-R-R-Riccio sure does stutter alot when he is nervous.

[Details]

Riccio is trying to act a victim. And he may have become one - he says one of the thugs grabbed a bag of his.


The Yale bit is interesting. The picture I'm seeing, from statements from Beardsly and Fromong and the like is that maybe OJ gave his best memorabilia to his buddies, with the understanding they hide it, don't admit they have it, sell it, send OJ's cut to Yale, and Yale gets it to OJ. Beardsly appears to be complaining to OJ that Yale cut him and/or Mike off from contact, he wasn't violating the arrangement deliberately.

It sounds like some dealer explaining to the mob boss why it's not his fault he didn't get his cut.

[Lqqkout]

I have been gone all day and just got here...

Is this still the prosecution with Riccio or is it the defense now.

Thanks for any replies.

Pro on direct.

[Details]

Beardsly and Fromong are memorabilia dealers, and I don't see them as slime - willing to help OJ dodge the civil judgement, yes - but they aren't thugs, don't have big records, and aren't afraid to call the police because they did nothing wrong. They buy and sell this stuff, try to keep all their clients happy. No reason to slam the victims.

[Details]

I think the pros is reaching for the kidnapping. I also think that I would know if my friend carried a gun. Maybe not though.Multiple times "Nobody leaves this room" is involuntary confinement. It's a low degree of kidnapping - not the same level crime as stealling someone away somewhere - but that is the family it falls into.

[Lqqkout]

That's what I want to know as well. Of course the defense doesn't want that so they are wasting time by confusing the jury with other stuff. I hope it back fires on them big time. If I were on the jury, I'd be pissed for wasting my precious time. Get to the point already!

jmo

:seeya:

The off shore accounts??????? They have absolutely nothing to do with this.

[Lqqkout]

i totally agree! yale is in this as thick as thieves

Does make one pause......

[Lqqkout]

Beardsly and Fromong are memorabilia dealers, and I don't see them as slime - willing to help OJ dodge the civil judgement, yes - but they aren't thugs, don't have big records, and aren't afraid to call the police because they did nothing wrong. They buy and sell this stuff, try to keep all their clients happy. No reason to slam the victims.

Beardsley doesn"t have a record? haha

[Details]

Beardsly is so ticked the police aren't moving fast enough for him - he's afraid they won't take him seriously. I think they should have told the police first that they were robbed at gunpoint, then after they get them moving, tell them it was OJ.

[Details]

Fromong said he was going for his gun. And Beardsly - I didn't say no record, I said no big record. There was a reason for that level of precision.

[Lqqkout]

I think that is when either Fromong or Beardsley said they were going out to get their own gun....I think it was Riccio who said it...I could be wrong.

Fromong, it was in his truck.

[Details]

Riccio confirms, he was trying to stop them from calling the police with the suggestion one of the people was a cop.

[Lqqkout]

Fromong said he was going for his gun. And Beardsly - I didn't say no record, I said no big record. There was a reason for that level of precision.

Well let's be precise. Beardsley was immediately returned to CA after this incident for parole violation. He had done time in CA for stalking. I consider that to be a record, to be precise.

[AnnInOhio]

no way no how oj didnt see or know about the guns.

OJ earlier said he wanted to be at his most intimidating, didn't he?

[Lqqkout]

Riccio confirms, he was trying to stop them from calling the police with the suggestion one of the people was a cop.

Good excuse, because all that did was add impersonating an officer to the charges, but what the heck, they all made deals to puke the same nonsense.

[Details]

I'm wondering if Yale should be dismissed as attorney. Sounds to me like a conflict of interest may be developing. If this trial is opening up things that may include testimony of Yale's criminal or questionable conduct, wouldn't that be a conflict of interest? Can Yale really defend OJ to his utmost even if it involves exposing more testimony saying that Yale was involved in possible dodging of the civil judgement?

[Lqqkout]

Of course he didn't want them calling the police because he was up to his eyeballs in this mess...Isn't he the one who wanted to call NBC?

Riccio sold the tape to TMZ of this whole mess, Fromong is the one who was yelling he was going to get big money from Inside Edition.

[cherylt]

Of course he didn't want them calling the police because he was up to his eyeballs in this mess...Isn't he the one who wanted to call NBC?

Hi Pia!

I believe so. Do you happen to know why Riccio stayed behind in the hotel room & didn't leave w/ OJ & crew? He is the one who set up the buy (to get OJ's "stuff back"). Then again, who knows how Riccio thinks beside $$$$?:shrug:

[Details]

Seems like a fair question for the judge to ask OJ. I believe it's generally up to the defendant.

[AnnInOhio]

Or that he (Yale) had a role in the planning of this "sting"?

[Details]

Of course he didn't want them calling the police because he was up to his eyeballs in this mess...Isn't he the one who wanted to call NBC?No Beardsly suggested calling NBC - but only as a way to get the police to get moving, when he was very upset that they hadn't arrived yet. He was talking to 911, and said he'd call NBC, and see if the reporters could beat the cops.

Fromong said he'd sell to Inside Edition, out of frustration, he said - and that rings true, since he never did sell his story, and he sure could have - he's a central character, and probably the most sympathetic - not to mention that he already had contacts in Inside Edition.

[Lqqkout]

Hi Pia!

I believe so. Do you happen to know why Riccio stayed behind in the hotel room & didn't leave w/ OJ & crew? He is the one who set up the buy (to get OJ's "stuff back"). Then again, who knows how Riccio thinks beside $$$$?:shrug:

He was trying to convince the other victims (I use that loosely) that he had nothing to do with the robbery and was also a victim. Riccio is a very believable liar, they all are.

[AnnInOhio]

Hi Pia!

I believe so. Do you happen to know why Riccio stayed behind in the hotel room & didn't leave w/ OJ & crew? He is the one who set up the buy (to get OJ's "stuff back"). Then again, who knows how Riccio thinks beside $$$$?:shrug:

Duh! Riccio had to hang around to retrieve his recorder from the top of the armoire. If he'd have left with OJ's posse there would have been an APB out for him and he'd have never gotten back into the hotel!

[cherylt]

I'm wondering if Yale should be dismissed as attorney. Sounds to me like a conflict of interest may be developing. If this trial is opening up things that may include testimony of Yale's criminal or questionable conduct, wouldn't that be a conflict of interest? Can Yale really defend OJ to his utmost even if it involves exposing more testimony saying that Yale was involved in possible dodging of the civil judgement?

Good point about Yale. I'm curious as to that myself. Maybe Grasso will have to take over although Yale has been making the objections,so he will probably be the one to do cross. I don't know how (if) he is going to cross him with his own name being mentioned in certain testimony.

[Lqqkout]

Couple of reasons actually...IMO of course.
One, he didn't want the other two to believe he was involved up to his ears...two, he didn't want to be arrested along with the others...
Three, his tape was there and four it was his room...:D

much better answer than mine........

[legalmania]

I'm wondering if Yale should be dismissed as attorney. Sounds to me like a conflict of interest may be developing. If this trial is opening up things that may include testimony of Yale's criminal or questionable conduct, wouldn't that be a conflict of interest? Can Yale really defend OJ to his utmost even if it involves exposing more testimony saying that Yale was involved in possible dodging of the civil judgement?

Attorney/client privilege. What I hear so far is hearsay. These guys are all liars. If there was a conflict of interest he wouldn't have taken this case.

[Details]

He was trying to convince the other victims (I use that loosely) that he had nothing to do with the robbery and was also a victim. Riccio is a very believable liar, they all are.He's not a good liar - they didn't seem to believe him, saw right though him, just as everyone does.

Nor is there a thing to say any of the victims are liars, good or not. Fromong's statements are backed perfectly by his actions - he said the Inside Edition thing was just frustration - and sure enough, there is no Inside Edition interview.

You think having a gun waved in your face and having your stuff stolen doesn't make you a victim? I beg to differ. I know in quite a bit of detail about that - no matter how cooly you pretend to take it.

[cherylt]

Couple of reasons actually...IMO of course.
One, he didn't want the other two to believe he was involved up to his ears...two, he didn't want to be arrested along with the others...
Three, his tape was there and four it was his room...:D

Thanks all for the info! (and the "Duh" from Ann- I'll remember that for the future :) )

That makes perfect sense, I guess I need more coffee today. But he still is the one who helped plan it - wonder why OJ didn't say "let's go, Tom"...

[Lqqkout]

Can you guys let me know who had the gun? Is it the other defendant?

The alleged gun was allegedly brandished by Erlich (spelling) who subsequently made a sweet deal to testify against OJ. Hello? Does that say anything to you?

[Lqqkout]

Thanks all for the info! (and the "Duh" from Ann- I'll remember that for the future :) )

That makes perfect sense, I guess I need more coffee today. But he still is the one who helped plan it - wonder why OJ didn't say "let's go, Tom"...

That would have been SWEEEEEET !!

[cherylt]

Can you guys let me know who had the gun? Is it the other defendant?

I think McClinton had one gun. Not sure who had the other one, but I really don't think it was CJ Stewart.

[AnnInOhio]

Were they still in the room at the time of this phone call? Where is the audio if they were? Why was the tape cut off when it was? Anyone know?

Riccio says he's out in the hall with the cops.

[Details]

Attorney/client privilege. What I hear so far is hearsay. These guys are all liars. If there was a conflict of interest he wouldn't have taken this case.If he's dirty on one, why would he be clean about "conflict of interest"? A corrupt attorney in one spot can be corrupt in another, and conflicts of interest happen all the time. If Beardsly is going to hop on the stand, and might talk about an agreement with Yale - if that information might effectively exonerate OJ or improve his chances of an NG, that's a definite conflict of interest - Yale will have to decide between questioning him fully about this, pulling every detail out, or keeping it as quiet as possible to save his own career. That is a huge conflict of interest. His interests may well, from what we've heard so far, be directly opposed to what is in OJ's interests.

[AnnInOhio]

That would have been priceless....:biggrin:

And Riccio's just desserts!

[Lqqkout]

ITs just the Slime talking about that (hearsay): if they could prove anything it might be a problem. I'm sure Yale has made sure they can't.


I seem to recall Riccio in yesterday's testimony that even OJ's lawyer advised him against going to retrieve his personal items himself.

[Details]

I think McClinton had one gun. Not sure who had the other one, but I really don't think it was CJ Stewart.Not Stewart, I'm positive.

[AnnInOhio]

I seem to recall Riccio in yesterday's testimony that even OJ's lawyer advised him against going to retrieve his personal items himself.

Yale always makes it clear that EVERYBODY knows he's OJ's attorney. And unless he had talked to Yale, how did OJ know where Yale was (back at the hotel)?

[Details]

I think because of what was heard on the tape is just hearsay. Just because they said it was that way doesn't mean that it is true...Just a guess.Yes - but an attorney who isn't Yale would be able to put everything on this lousy dirty attorney Yale who was running some memorabilia scam, it's all his fault, he's dirty - OJ was just innocently following bad advice. Yale though, is not so likely to do that. That's the conflict.

Proof of Yale being involved - not yet. Although, hearsay is someone saying what they heard from someone else. What is on tape is Beardsly directly saying what his experiences with Yale were. It's not direct testimony - he's not under oath, and he's not clear - but it's not pure hearsay either.

[Lqqkout]

The alleged gun was allegedly brandished by Erlich (spelling) who subsequently made a sweet deal to testify against OJ. Hello? Does that say anything to you?

I stand corrected, it was McClinton,

[legalmania]

If he's dirty on one, why would he be clean about "conflict of interest"? A corrupt attorney in one spot can be corrupt in another, and conflicts of interest happen all the time. If Beardsly is going to hop on the stand, and might talk about an agreement with Yale - if that information might effectively exonerate OJ or improve his chances of an NG, that's a definite conflict of interest - Yale will have to decide between questioning him fully about this, pulling every detail out, or keeping it as quiet as possible to save his own career. That is a huge conflict of interest. His interests may well, from what we've heard so far, be directly opposed to what is in OJ's interests.

Documents, phone records that's how you prove it. Yale knows what he has and has not done. If the prosecutor comes out with documents, phone records then I will believe it but until then it's hearsay.

[Details]

Riccio lying to OJ - saying Beardsly was on phone to National Enquirer as police were coming - we just heard the tape disproving that.

[Lqqkout]

Who is Riccio's wife? Headshots? Is she a model?

[bearwds]

Good point about Yale. I'm curious as to that myself. Maybe Grasso will have to take over although Yale has been making the objections,so he will probably be the one to do cross. I don't know how (if) he is going to cross him with his own name being mentioned in certain testimony.
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I think OJ should be concerned about Yale sitting there and paying more attention to the name "Yale" being mentioned than testimony.

Can you say conflict of interest..??


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[legalmania]

Who is Riccio's wife? Headshots? Is she a model?

She must have some bad eye site.

[RGG]

Riccio lying to OJ - saying Beardsly was on phone to National Enquirer as police were coming - we just heard the tape disproving that.

True - I know the sleaze papers were mentioned but no call was made. Riccio sure played one against the other here.

[Details]

Documents, phone records that's how you prove it. Yale knows what he has and has not done. If the prosecutor comes out with documents, phone records then I will believe it but until then it's hearsay.Documents and phone records can't be pulled up without a court order - which would be based on what people say. If the police hear enough allegation of fraud from people who say Yale did this or that with them (not hearsay - a person reporting what happened to themselves is not hearsay), that would be a basis for that search warrent. But even the allegations could harm Yale. Which goes to conflict of interest - whether or not he did a single thing.

[legalmania]

So what did the call prove? That OJ didn't know about or see a gun and that Riccio knew that?:shrug:

Ruccio I am such a good friend that I'm gonna record this and sell it and make as much money as I can off of you and then have you arrested.

[Lqqkout]

Transcript 8. I've been waiting for this. I wonder if Riccio and OJ set that up the next day to clear OJ of the gun charges.

I don't believe there ever was a gun. In the transcript right after the incident Riccio says "I think I saw a gun".

[RGG]

Transcript 8. I've been waiting for this. I wonder if Riccio and OJ set that up the next day to clear OJ of the gun charges.

:seeya:snowbird! I think Riccio backed down really quick when he talked with OJ - (after the first talk) - Riccio was sweating those bullets of that imaginary gun (or real)!:no:

[Details]

Wait a minute. OJ calls up Riccio while the police are still interviewing him, moments after the robbery, and is telling him there was no gun stuff - how did he even know there was an allegation of a gun? The first tape of the first phone message - not the current phone calls we're on.

[Lqqkout]

Documents and phone records can't be pulled up without a court order - which would be based on what people say. If the police hear enough allegation of fraud from people who say Yale did this or that with them (not hearsay - a person reporting what happened to themselves is not hearsay), that would be a basis for that search warrent. But even the allegations could harm Yale. Which goes to conflict of interest - whether or not he did a single thing.

In CA, only one person needs to be aware of a phone conversation being recorded. And Riccio appears to record everything.

[legalmania]

Documents and phone records can't be pulled up without a court order - which would be based on what people say. If the police hear enough allegation of fraud from people who say Yale did this or that with them (not hearsay - a person reporting what happened to themselves is not hearsay), that would be a basis for that search warrent. But even the allegations could harm Yale. Which goes to conflict of interest - whether or not he did a single thing.

Lets just wait Details because I wanna hear what the cross does with this good friend of OJ's.

[janigirl]

LMAO "If I only had a brain" ya think..

[Details]

In CA, only one person needs to be aware of a phone conversation being recorded. And Riccio appears to record everything.We're not talking about Riccio recordings, but phone records that would prove or disprove Beardsly's statements that imply Yale might be involved in a little money laundering for OJ. Those would require a court order, which would require some testimony from people who claim they called him.

[Details]

Lets just wait Details because I wanna hear what the cross does with this good friend of OJ's.I've got nothing against Yale - other than that he might be a money launderer - but it's not about Yale. The question of conflict of interest goes to a very important question - can he give OJ the best possible defense - or only the best possible defense that doesn't involve implicating himself.

That's a real question of justice, and justice for OJ - and goes against my preferences to see him locked up. This is a rare pro-OJ moment (and of course isn't proj-OJ - it's pro-justice) for me.

[cherylt]

Not that I feel bad for OJ AT ALL, but hearing this convo is sad. He is praising Riccio for being such a good friend & telling him (TR) he could have made money off him, but he didn't. All the while, Riccio is taping his EVERY WORD...and planning to make all the $$$ he can!

OJ - I guess when you lie down w/flea-laden dogs... and all that.

[Details]

Interesting hearing them going over cover stories. Not much in there about being intimidating, about OJ's boys there for if they won't just give the stuff back.

[legalmania]

In Florida all these tapes would have been thrown out because you can't record someone without their knowledge.

[Lqqkout]

Didn't someone already admit to one or two being there early on? Or was that Riccio too?

Don't forget that they are all either victims looking to make a killing or fellow conspirators who ALL made deals for lesser charges in return for testifying against OJ. Not one is believable IMO.

[Lqqkout]

In Florida all these tapes would have been thrown out because you can't record someone without their knowledge.

In CA only one person needs to be aware. Massachusetts these would have been thrown out, too. Riccio is very cagey.

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Looking for permission to go on Geraldo, "I've been with him in the past, I don't think he's going to ambush me" - yeah, right. Even Riccio isn't dumb enough to believe that. He knew what the interview would be, and wanted the money.

[Details]

In Florida all these tapes would have been thrown out because you can't record someone without their knowledge.Florida is so stupid - I hate that type of law. Anything that gives an unbiased view of the truth, no easily mistaken eyewitnesses, no reliance on fragile human memory, is a great thing for arriving at the truth, convicting the guilty, freeing the innocent, true justice.

[Lqqkout]

The only one I believe is Beardsley even though I still think he is slime. But he was brought directly to the preliminary hearing from jail in CA and was the only one who had not spoken to the prosecution and thereby tainted before his testimony. Beardsley testified that he did NOT see a gun at the preliminary hearing, but who knows now since the DA got to him? His testimony will be interesting, but I wouldn't think he could change it since it is a matter of public record.

[legalmania]

Here is the generic meaning of conflict of interest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest

[Details]

Here is the generic meaning of conflict of interest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interestYes, and that is precisely what I am describing here. An interest in freeing OJ and an interest in not having his reputation besmirched - at the least - by people testifying he was a money launderer to whatever degree for OJ. Those two interests conflict very directly in this trial.

[cherylt]

Per www.thelegaledge.com. If you missed testimony or want to review it, it may be here...


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[AnnInOhio]

I don't believe there ever was a gun. In the transcript right after the incident Riccio says "I think I saw a gun".

From the sound of Fromong's voice on those tapes I'm convinced that HE saw a gun.

[Details]

Good...I'm hungry..LOL

Look I know I am in the minority here but I don't see this call as being a "set up" call to get their stories straight. Riccio would have recorded if there was anything else.
I do believe OJ was STUPID and breaking the law by just going in and taking the stuff but I don't see warranting a life sentence here. Now if the prosecutor has something else maybe I can change my mind...

Hubby is awake from his nap and wondering if I am ready...hehe I have him trained well.

Not sure if I will be back tonight or not…Everyone have fun…I don't believe there's anything remotely resembling a life sentence here. The media has their usual fun by appending the highest jail time for the highest versions of the crimes he's been accused of together - but that's not anything I've heard the prosecutors asking for.

I don't know - the first call has me wondering. Riccio testifies he has this voice mail from OJ from right after the robbery, that he gets while he is first talking to police at the Palace - and the recording of that call, OJ is talking about how there's no gun, how can anyone say there was a gun - how did OJ know there would be talk of a gun at that point in time, unless he did know there was one?

Maybe the timing isn't what it seems, but otherwise it sure seems odd.

[Details]

i dont believe him. within seconds of oj and his thugs leaving the room, beardsley was on the phone screaming at the cops that they had just been robbed at gunpoint by oj simpson. riccio says they'll be able to tell their kids how they were robbed at gunpoint by oj simpson. beardsley repeatedly tells the cops they were robbed with a gun. he was pist off and scared when he was on that phone. and then suddenly they all except fromong dont remember seeing a gun? i dont buy that for one minute. there was a gun...they are buds with oj and have made money off him for years. they dont want to stop the gravy train. so if oj says there was no gun...then they say there was no gun.Yep, that initial reaction is definitely an honest one - outrage and disbelief that they've just been robbed at gunpoint by OJ Simpson - he keeps repeating it over and over. Before he's on the phone to the police, when there's no one but Fromong and Riccio to hear him - he's repeating it over and over.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Good...I'm hungry..LOL

Look I know I am in the minority here but I don't see this call as being a "set up" call to get their stories straight. Riccio would have recorded if there was anything else.
I do believe OJ was STUPID and breaking the law by just going in and taking the stuff but I don't see anything warranting a life sentence here. Now if the prosecutor has something else maybe I can change my mind...

Hubby is awake from his nap and wondering if I am ready...hehe I have him trained well.

Not sure if I will be back tonight or not…Everyone have fun…

LOL..anything over 10 years will be a Life Sentence to OJ..actually if he doesnt get his ego fix daily..not sure he'd even last that long..He thrives on being catered to!!..Either way..he must pay for his viewed "Entitlement" mindset..as for the others..they will receive their just desserts..and Riccio..He is now "OUTED"..NO one will trust him ever again!!

LMS:biggrin:

[legalmania]

Florida is so stupid - I hate that type of law. Anything that gives an unbiased view of the truth, no easily mistaken eyewitnesses, no reliance on fragile human memory, is a great thing for arriving at the truth, convicting the guilty, freeing the innocent, true justice.

It's unconstitutional is what comes to mind. I don't think I would use the word stupid in protecting someones rights. I know I wouldn't want to be recorded in some cases without my knowledge.

[bearwds]

OK....life goes on. A pleasure talking with you folks today:seeya:


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[legalmania]

Yes, and that is precisely what I am describing here. An interest in freeing OJ and an interest in not having his reputation besmirched - at the least - by people testifying he was a money launderer to whatever degree for OJ. Those two interests conflict very directly in this trial.

I just don't think Yale would have represented this guy.First of all I don't think they live in the same state. He would not have taken this case asI said before. It would have come up throughout the year.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

It's unconstitutional is what comes to mind. I don't think I would use the word stupid in protecting someones rights. I know I wouldn't want to be recorded in some cases without my knowledge.

LOL..Look what happened to Monika Lewinsky..Yiks..we all must think ..However.we post here and say whatever.and its open for reproducing..anywhere anytime..So be true to yourself..and dont BS peeps if you dont want to be outed for something you have no idea about..LOL

LMS
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[Details]

It's unconstitutional is what comes to mind. I don't think I would use the word stupid in protecting someones rights. I know I wouldn't want to be recorded in some cases without my knowledge.It's constitutional, or else so many states wouldn't have laws allowing it.

It protects your right to lie about what was said, contradict another person there, and have a chance of being believed. That is not a right our founding fathers wanted. It's not a right to privacy, since you were not private, you were with another person. It's not a right to anything, other than to paint a truthful person as a liar.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I just don't think Yale would have represented this guy.First of all I don't think they live in the same state. He would not have taken this case asI said before. It would have come up throughout the year.

i hate to say this...but the repurcussions for Yale is yet to be seen..yale was friends with OJ long before he tok over Legal rep..but now that he seems to have OJ as his sole client..I wonder just how he could make a living of a man who has no assets..no income>? Sorry..I find Yale Galanter just a sleezy as all these guys..its just Yale has more venues to protect..hide..claim client confidentiality..He WAS involved the the bood deal "IF I KLED>>>"..that speaks to me??

LMS

[legalmania]

Well everyone I have a secret I'm gonna let out, I am moving. I closed this morning. Find out Monday what state I pick. The Winnebago and Movers are honking be on my laptop hopefully. See ya.:beer::patriot::seeya: I smell party.

[Details]

I just don't think Yale would have represented this guy.First of all I don't think they live in the same state. He would not have taken this case asI said before. It would have come up throughout the year.Yale is representing OJ. That's the conflict. And I'm sure he knew his name was in the tapes, and he was apparently there in Las Vegas. That's more involvement than I think an attorney should have.

It's OJ's choice in the end - but a conflict it is. Even if these are allegations of thugs, there's a very real likelihood that he'll have a point to choose, likely already has had a point to choose what defense, what questions to use, what tactics, and some of those tactics will expose Yale to more questions about his ethics, and some will expose him to less - and thus, the conflict of interest. Does he do what is best for him at those points, or what is best for OJ? Can he even be sure if he is making his decisions without that bias properly? No one can - subconscious little biases may push him. That's the reason you normally don't take a case where you have such a conflict of interests. Even with the best of intentions, you may choose a course based in part on your own interests rather than the clients.

If Yale is questioning Beardsly, he'll have that choice. Go into the Yale stuff, to make it more clear how even Beardsly and Mike considered this stuff OJ's for them to sell and pay him via Yale - or to avoid that line of questioning. That's the conflict another attorney would not have.

[bearwds]

within minutes of the robbery, oj starts burning riccio's cell phone up. riccio cant answer because he's talking to the cops. when he finally does answer it's oj saying "there wasnt a gun". now why would oj call and say that?

because yale was waiting for them back at the hotel! once they told him what had happened and the cops had been called...they went into emergencycoverhisaszmode.
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Awww...BINGO Wendy !! I think that is exactly what happened.

Now, Yale sits there exposed. <not pretty>


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[warrkat]

Hope you're coming over this way. Not knowing is the cliffhanger of the weekend! Can't wait to see you Monday - don't post too early - I have a DR. appt.

Me, too, and a CT scan. But it's at 8:05, so I should be back from Myrtle Beach in time to hear some of the testimony. That is, unless the shops and restaurants down there tug me off the highway.

Seriously, I've been taking the bypass all the way around the town of Myrtle Beach, just to avoid the shopping temptation. But when all these doctor bills, get paid....... watch out!

[AnnInOhio]

OK, legal beagles. Does anybody else feel, after listening to the tapes, that there is a possible conflict of interest in Yale Galanter's representation of OJ Simpson in this case?

[Details]

I don't see how there cannot be a conflict of interest here.

He's supposedly giving advice (don't do it) about this caper, some of them say he's some variety of middleman between people selling OJ memorabilia and OJ - doesn't matter if any of this is true or not, he's got an interest in having his reputation kept out of the mud.

An uninvolved attorney would be able to question witnesses and suggest responsibility belonging to Yale rather than Simpson for some issues freely, without thinking of the cost to himself.

It's a huge conflict.


IIRC, the defendant can accept that conflict, keep the attorney if they choose - but it is a conflict. I hope some legal notice has been taken of that fact, officially checking if OJ is OK with it.