Caylee Anthony 09-17-08 overnight thread

[5boxersmom]

Night Willow.


I agree that was a time when Casey felt good about herself. Wonder what happen? Why she was fired?

Caylee:rose:

[Marianne]

I agree.

She is not insane though because she knows what she did is wrong thats why she lied about everything to cover it all up.

Sane= Guilty Murder 1

I think she is way out of touch. She has been lying ever since she was a little girl according to her cousin or childhood friend Cindy called and told him she was a sociopath. Everything out of her mouth is a lie. She can only relate as this fantasy character she has created for herself. It is almost as if there is no Casey. No reality, no foundation, ...she is crazy. The psychiatrist NG had on the other day said she must have been very hurt as a child. I have sympathy but it is intolerable to watch and i think LE did such a terrific job. in questioning her because Yuri simply would not let her get away with it . And that is what needs to be done. I also worry there is avery demolished and troubled mindscape inside. And I don't think she is ever going to speak the language we want to hear.

[Ionmhainn]

I understand that but I have to admit when I get very nervous, for example when my daughter was in a car accident, I couldn't even begin to tell you what was said or what I did that first night. As hard as I try and remember and search my mind nothing of that first night comes back after the point of getting the phone call till probably the next morning.


Yes, the mind can be very protective, TG. I would bet, that when you try to remember you feel a sort of numbness?
I think I'm too tired to express myself well at the moment, but just considering the possibility that Casey has indeed blocked it out makes the "work" thing a ...little ....less ridiculous to me. She really does seem "removed." imo
I'll say good night now and ponder some more. :)

[Cury-us Coyote]

Does anyone know how the gas can story ends? What happened after George found them, on the Greta interview it stops there.

Perhaps the gas can story has not yet ended.

IIRC, media reported GPS tracking of dumpster locations facilitated searchs. Was there local televised coverage of landfill searches? TIA

o/t apparently TES suffered IKE damage and dates of future searches are undetermined.

[Ionmhainn]

I'm still pondering too! It's almost as though it was a "safe" period of time in Casey's life, even if it was short lived. She may have for the first time in her young adult life actually felt good about herself, so soon after the birth Caylee, feeling responsible with an income, self-pride and too; she may have been receiving unexpected positive strokes from her mother, Cindy.


I haven't gone much beyond "before." Keep pondering and I will too! G''night for now. :)

[tiny paw-prints]

Yep. Maybe there was a little bit of doubt there that he would sell her out.

They shared the secret. I think that is what it is. He helped her. They told Cindy after the third 911 call. jmo

I just had a response to yours, and decided not to post it.

Some things, I think, are better left unsaid until more credible information is received.

The unfolding events in this case has truly been a heartache.

:rose: Caylee

[5boxersmom]

I just had a response to yours, and decided not to post it.

Some things, I think, are better left unsaid until more credible information is received.

The unfolding events in this case has truly been a heartache.

:rose: Caylee

Well you could pm it to me.:)

Yes a heartache.

Caylee:rose:

[mosey2]

Help, please! I am looking for the times that the three 911 calls were placed on July 15th. And the time that Cindy finally found Casey with Amy's help. Thanks!:shrug:

[5boxersmom]

Help, please! I am looking for the times that the three 911 calls were placed on July 15th. And the time that Cindy finally found Casey with Amy's help. Thanks!:shrug:



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391001,00.html

I think they are posted at the OSCO.com site also.


Caylee:rose:

[Marianne]

I agree.

She is not insane though because she knows what she did is wrong thats why she lied about everything to cover it all up.

Sane= Guilty Murder 1

No, the reason she gave is that she is "petrified of her mother, petrified what it will do to her and petrified she won't see her daughter ever again". That doesn't say she did something wrong...it alludes to the fact that something beyond her control happened...and sure it happened on her watch. but it doesn't necessarily suggest that it was done intentionally.

Cant solve this without knowing more. Because knowing she is "insane" as in Dr. Jeckle and mr Hyde ...in other words she lives the role and life of this fantasy character she created ...but underneath there is the supressed emotion that may come out and live its own separate life..so to speak. she has pushed her emotional self so far from hewr that she may go into a comatose state when reality surfaces....sort of one side up one side down and they don't know of each other....the way to solve this is to expose each side to the other. Except that we haven't even gotten a clue to the person inside Casey who knows what she did every day with her daughter as well as what happened to lose her.

LE (Yuri) got her to admit she was lying....and we could all hear how she just picked up her story where she left off and continued lying about her phones, work, etc. It seems out of control for her ....I mean a person who knew right and wrong would have just stopped ...and said ah shucks...cover didnt work.....But for Casey I don't get that she is aware of what she is doing.

[mosey2]

Does anyone know how the gas can story ends? What happened after George found them, on the Greta interview it stops there.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, didn’t want me to get into the car to get the stuff out. Dad, I’ll get it for you. Dad, I’ll get it out. I said, It’s no problem. I know where it’s at. I’ll get it, get it out and be done with it.

So as we’re walking out through the garage, she’s still telling me, Dad, I’ll get it. Give me a minute, I’ll get it. I said, Casey, I’m capable of reaching inside your car, and I got it. So — and she opened up the trunk of the car…

CINDY ANTHONY: The gas cans were there.

GEORGE ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) The gas cans there. She’s the one that took the gas cans.


http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/george-and-cindy-anthony-speak-with-greta-transcript/

[mosey2]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391001,00.html

I think they are posted at the OSCO.com site also.


Caylee:rose:
Thank you 5boxers!!:read:

[luvinlife]

:shrug:


Someone who wants to have written proof of a misdeed to hold over their daughter's head...to either obtain custody of their child, or threaten her with suing for custody of the child.


I think this is exactly why they (George) reported the cans, imo I am fairly certain they knew who took them.

[luvinlife]

When I listened to the tapes again on NG tonight, I wondered about that. Or rather, I asked myself "is it ...possible...that she really could have blocked it out of her mind?" I don't think that's beyond the realm of possibility. She does sometimes seem to be in a sort of mental "time warp." Even after admitting that she was not employed at Universal, she continues to talk about "work." Very strange.
mo


Maybe this is a time in Casey's life that she felt important and talks about it because she actually had a job and things that she could take pride in for once. Who knows?

[mosey2]

There is something that's bothering me, help me understand, if you will. George went to the tow yard during the day of July 15th, before Cindy found Casey and brought her home. The tow yard while they were there, told George that he could only get the car out if he paid cash. George left and came back with Cindy. They paid the cash, George noticed a smell, as did the tow yard guy. George poured gas in the car and drove it home.
Later after they had the car safely at home, and Cindy had rounded up Casey, Cindy made the first of the three 911 calls. It was only before the third 911 call, that the family learned of Caylees "kidnapping"

Why, then did George tell the tow yard guy that they found their daughter, but their granddaughter is missing?? He wouldn't have this information for hours.
:shrug:

[Marianne]

:D Yes it was. I remembered this dude. He bothers me. He keeps showing up, like a bad penny. what Cindy A is doing by going on Spanish Television, is very much what the McCanns did. And some of you KNOW THIS. I'd love to see the copy of their hard drives. There IS more to this than any of us can imagine I think. I think that Casey may truly be trying to protect Cindy, hate her as she does. It's her only family, and remember how hurt she was on the jail tape saying not even her own family was behind her......it was ALL ABOUT CAYLEE..... All About Caylee......As Usual! Casey if you're reading here, or any of the A's we've got your number. You're failing and you must think the world is full of FOOLS or something. You're so wrong. Caylee Deserved better. So how DARE you Taint her life, her memory and her death, this way. For Shame!! I say. Dots


She is trying to protect Cindy, but i don't get your drift. She is protecting her mother from facing the unbearable tragedy of the death of her grandchild. Believing Caylee is still alive against all odds and going to Puerto Rico and taking up the cause is actually theraputic for her...a way to manage the grief she is not yet strong enough to face. And Casey is actually doing a good thing as she continues to lie. And I think this speaks volumes for the mother/daughter bond that as much as Casey has issues with her parents she is also able to be sensitive to their needs over and beyond her own.

which is a very different character than we all and the media have been interpreting.

[luvinlife]

Didn't he say at first it was a neighbor?


Caylee:rose:



IIRC he was asked how much the theft was and he said in the neighborhood of $50.00. I haven't found an article saying the neighbor took them. No link so imo

[luvinlife]

There is something that's bothering me, help me understand, if you will. George went to the tow yard during the day of July 15th, before Cindy found Casey and brought her home. The tow yard while they were there, told George that he could only get the car out if he paid cash. George left and came back with Cindy. They paid the cash, George noticed a smell, as did the tow yard guy. George poured gas in the car and drove it home.
Later after they had the car safely at home, and Cindy had rounded up Casey, Cindy made the first of the three 911 calls. It was only before the third 911 call, that the family learned of Caylees "kidnapping"

Why, then did George tell the tow yard guy that they found their daughter, but their granddaughter is missing?? He wouldn't have this information for hours.
:shrug:



I believe that there are two stmts in the docs, one from the tow guy (owner) and one from the lady at the front desk. The lady went out for a smoke and overheard the comment. I think that was what she said, but the tow guys stmt was that GA said that their daughter had been gone for a while and that she had been keeping there granddaughter from them. Not exact wording but similar. The pages should be listed in Lorakai's great doc info thread.

[5boxersmom]

There is something that's bothering me, help me understand, if you will. George went to the tow yard during the day of July 15th, before Cindy found Casey and brought her home. The tow yard while they were there, told George that he could only get the car out if he paid cash. George left and came back with Cindy. They paid the cash, George noticed a smell, as did the tow yard guy. George poured gas in the car and drove it home.
Later after they had the car safely at home, and Cindy had rounded up Casey, Cindy made the first of the three 911 calls. It was only before the third 911 call, that the family learned of Caylees "kidnapping"

Why, then did George tell the tow yard guy that they found their daughter, but their granddaughter is missing?? He wouldn't have this information for hours.
:shrug:

Another lie?


jmo


Caylee:rose:

[mosey2]

I believe that there are two stmts in the docs, one from the tow guy (owner) and one from the lady at the front desk. The lady went out for a smoke and overheard the comment. I think that was what she said, but the tow guys stmt was that GA said that their daughter had been gone for a while and that she had been keeping there granddaughter from them. Not exact wording but similar. The pages should be listed in Lorakai's great doc info thread.
I'll go:read: Thanks Luvin!

[5boxersmom]

IIRC he was asked how much the theft was and he said in the neighborhood of $50.00. I haven't found an article saying the neighbor took them. No link so imo



George Anthony said the cans were taken by a neighbor but admits his daughter had stolen gas from his home in the past.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17058741/detail.html

[luvinlife]

Tis okay ... like I said, I don't know if I agree with myself ... I didn't post I thought that's what happened, I merely posted it was something that I have wondered ... her demeanor perplexes me. Not the lies, I understand patho's; it's her seemingly uncaring for her own predicament what made me wonder if she really doesn't remember what happened ... whether that's because she was too drugged up, or blacked out from too much alcohol, or traumatic amnesia.

Richard Ramirez, truly a sociopath and psychopath, still cared about his own skin when caught.

Just trying on some theories.

IMO



Maybe she isnt' worried about her own skin yet because she doesn't think they have anything to charge her with murder. I am not sure what I think about that.

[luvinlife]

George Anthony said the cans were taken by a neighbor but admits his daughter had stolen gas from his home in the past.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17058741/detail.html



Thanks I hadn't seen that one before, the only one I had seen was the other one. I never know if it the way the reporter words things or if they heard differently, I like the video better, then I hear it for myself. lol not that it makes any more sense.

[SaraSidle]

For the 'Mother of the Year'? I don't think so. (I'm no expert) Cindy intimated Casey had some kind of treatment when she said Casey was never diagnosed (bond hearing). I wouldn't think they could claim chronic mental health issues because there doesn't appear to be a documented history. I suppose they could claim a sudden psychotic break or something - Someone with more expertise would have to answer that.

Just because a person is NPD/psychotic/sociopath doesn't mean they are unaware of rules and consequences. They think the rules don't apply to them, they think they won't get caught.

The link Barskin posted a bit up thread is a good resource on this.

AllMO:)

Usually psychotic/schizophrenic episodes from late teens to late 30's. imo

[barskin&co.]

Usually psychotic/schizophrenic episodes from late teens to late 30's. imo

There is nothing psychotic/schizophrenic about Casey Anthony.

[MyrDawn]

There is nothing psychotic/schizophrenic about Casey Anthony.

I agree. Perhaps psychopathic/sociopathic, but not psychotic.