Caylee Anthony 09-17-08 overnight thread

[kakax]

I don't think so, since Cindy paid back the money, apparently.

But if it can be proved she used the numbers from a birthday check, isn't that a crime anyway? Like Impartial said, a crime against the state. I get that she paid them back. Does paying them back change what she did and deny them the ability to hold her responsible?

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just really want to know.

[concernedmom]

Casey had friends in apt 218. Annie Downing and Dante. So she could have been there and saw Z fill out that app for rental. Per Lenny.
So Im guessing LE has questioned these people. Their not in the docs IIRC.

[Boxer]

How could it? There is no question that the opportunity for fair trial has been jeapardized. Its all on tape.

:read:


It could, and I hope it does. The life of Casey Anthony is becomming a horror show, complete with violent parents, chloroform, stolen funds, hair folicles, decomp dogs and a peepee diaper in the playhouse, George's sweating problems and the fact that not one family member of Caylee can think of the date she went missing. I hope they will be able to live with theirselves when the dust settles on this.

[kakax]

No, because there is probably no witness that will testify. It doesn't mean that what she did wasn't illegal, but in the eyes of the prosecutor it's not prosecutable because the victim won't testify.



IMO



That makes sense to me. If no witnesses were going to say she stole the money, it would be hard to prove she did it without permission.

[bcrmom]

I agree with you. They should have used "silence" as their weapon. Akward silences have a way of making people talk.


TY

You have kids, right? So you remember how they just sit there when you talk? They aren't listening at all. They're tuning us out and thinking about what they're going to do the minute we shut up and let them out of the room.

That's why Silence is Golden and God gave us moms "The Look".

[kakax]

If the GP's are willing to testify, they could. I don't know if they would put the GP's through that, though ... too stressful ... and they have enough other charges.

IMO

Gotcha...that makes sense.

[Rebel Rouzer]

There are just so many issues out there, that I really feel are the Anthony's private matters. Things like who cut Caylee's cord at birth, George's prior marriage, and work history, income.. etc. I don't even want to tell you how many times while reading the posts I've yelled at my poor computer. "its none of your business". But its a trip to watch so many people who feel all the details of the Anthony's lives from birth till the present are somehow the business of the world. But thats just me.
:seeya:

IF you tried paying attention to my posts I haven't given 2 shnnitzues about their private lives and I don't watch the mobilecam either.

Your posts are stil a piece of work especially considering the situation you tried to emplore you are dealing with.

[barskin&co.]

It cracks me up when I hear him ask for the phone numbers and how ALL of them have had their # changed 3-4 times. Im sure by the time he got to Juliet Lewis what her answer was going to be.I would have had a hard time not smiling or I would have :punch:her one.
:lol:

And these are the people she told about nefarious Zanny and her kidnapping. You'd think they'd be keeping in pretty close touch. If someone told you their infant child had been kidnapped, don't you think you'd be apt to call them back? I mean it's not like it would slip your mind. "Gee, I think I'm supposed to call Casey back. What were we talking about? It's on the tip of my tongue..."

[st777jo]

I can't for the life of me understand how G & C could hear these tapes and sit in the same house with Casey, daughter or not.

I wish they could put a listening device on that cam, I can't hear nada.

[Boxer]

But if it can be proved she used the numbers from a birthday check, isn't that a crime anyway? Like Impartial said, a crime against the state. I get that she paid them back. Does paying them back change what she did and deny them the ability to hold her responsible?

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just really want to know.

It's frustrating as can be! Look how many rape charges go unpunished because people can't testify....

[nana6]

Good one Boxer.

If my granddaughter was missing, I wouldn't care about how much weight I lost, that definitely would not be very important to me!

well, Cindy reporting 29 pounds lost. So what. Who cares. Most people loose pounds when they are under stress. Now is her stress due to the fact that she is stressed over where in the world her little Caylee is OR is her stress due to Casey's unfortunate run in with the law? That's what i thought!!! It's all about the second choice and poor poor Casey. I guess folks Cindy wants us to feel sorry for her and ya know, I really would have had she acted somewhat like a real greiving grandmother who may have lost her grandaughter. She has acted anything but that. IMO

[aubrey04]

Your POSTS are a piece of work. I can tell ya that.

Thought provoking... yeah, that's it. :punch:

[Danette44]

Do I need glasses Is that Cindy laying in the grass close to the garage door upper rught hand corner? Looks like saying is lyin th ditch....jmoo thanks

[bcrmom]

Well stated, and I agree with you.

I feel the same about Nancy Grace.....she misses a lot by constantly running her mouth....it's so annoying.

OMG. Don't EVEN get me started on NG.:cuss:

I've always thought it would be great to have NG and Bill O'Reilly have a talk show of their own. It would only last one episode but I'd love to see who stepped on whom the most. Oh, they'd come to blows.:punch:

[impartial]

As previous posters have indicated, this case isn't NEARLY as well-known to the general populace as it is to posters on this and other boards and watchers of NG.

If that's what Jose' wants to hang his hat on - then so be it.

Actually, come to think of it, it may be his best shot! :)


I agree ... it looks like it is his best shot ;)

I can't imagine being in Baez shoes ... having a client that you can't trust one word out of their mouth.

Talk about going to trial and wondering where the surprises are going to come from ... the only thing that will surprise Baez at this point is if anything Casey told him actually is proved to be true !!!

IMO

[kakax]

TY

You have kids, right? So you remember how they just sit there when you talk? They aren't listening at all. They're tuning us out and thinking about what they're going to do the minute we shut up and let them out of the room.

That's why Silence is Golden and God gave us moms "The Look".

Love it! And I have perfected "the Look"...LOL!!

I often use the silence method when I'm trying to get something from someone. We remodeled our house and our contractor was an azz. It was a great method and worked for me to get what I needed.

You said you were ordering the wood cabinets and not MDF...I know you were floored to see they were the cheaper ones..... Silence...... (I knew he was trying to cut corners and was hoping I didn't notice)

Worked every time.

[nana6]

You've got that right Rose, Im good thanks, tough times but am hanging in there. Those blue crocs. Where are they? does Casey sleep with them? or are they MISSING TOO? Maybe her shoes are also in Puerto Rico. Since no one can actually put Caylee sleeping in anyones home after the 9th, did she get on a plane somewhere? Did casey also get on a plane? Where was Caylee when Casey picked up amy's vehicle and used it? The car seat wasnt needed I guess at that time......so for me that pretty much rules out the fact that Caylee went on a "trip" to get away from the wicked witch of the west...... I want to know if she packed up caylees life into boxes yet. I think she has. They know she isnt coming back, she isnt alive. Her body was in that trunk, there is so much Evidence in this Case, Trace, and just good old CE among regular Evidence. Its hard to watch people like this walk among us but sadly they do every day. From SO to murderers, put twenty people in a room, five are probably innocent good people. Im jaded, true....but at least I still have passion and compassion as well as Empathy. I do NOT know how this family is living with their lies they've put out there. What Cindy did today, shows me totally they are on that road to stardom in their heads. Caylee M Million Dollar Baby. You can almost see the $$ signs in their eyes. If you look closely. How sad is THAT? http://www.local6.com/news/17468007/detail.html Here is a great source for Videos and a timeline in this case, if anyone needs to bookmark it..... Dots

I have been away for alot of the day today. What did Cindy do today?

[Boxer]

Just a little technicality here - if I rob a bank and it looks like I'm going to get caught and I pay back the money - then I'm pretty much OK?

I believe the fact that Cindy would not testify as to the circumstances surrounding the theft of the GGPs money is more relevant.

If what we have heard is to be believed then Casey should have been charged, IMO. :)


you think the bank would let you pay back the money?

[poplife]

Casey had friends in apt 218. Annie Downing and Dante. So she could have been there and saw Z fill out that app for rental. Per Lenny.
So Im guessing LE has questioned these people. Their not in the docs IIRC.

OH, I didn't realize annie lived there. Hmmm, that makes a lot of sense. She and Annie were pretty tight from the pics I"ve seen. It was Annie's hat that the trash lady found ripped up in the trash bag. Guess they are on the outs now?:punch:

[Rebel Rouzer]

Thought provoking... yeah, that's it. :punch:


Thought provoking? Yeah thats it. Thoughts of banging my head against a wall that's what it has provoked me to do many times. I still chose not to but it was provking lmao

[Cury-us Coyote]

I agree with you. They should have used "silence" as their weapon. Akward silences have a way of making people talk.

IIRC, in Lee's email he mentioned Casey was willing to talk with the FBI and Detective Wells (the good guy cop).

Fox 35 live covering Caylee's case.
jmo

[kakax]

And these are the people she told about nefarious Zanny and her kidnapping. You'd think they'd be keeping in pretty close touch. If someone told you their infant child had been kidnapped, don't you think you'd be apt to call them back? I mean it's not like it would slip your mind. "Gee, I think I'm supposed to call Casey back. What were we talking about? It's on the tip of my tongue..."

Great point....of course Juliet and Jeff would have called back to see if everything was ok! But not one phone call came from either Jeff or Juliet.

[shelbar53]

Listening to Casey's interrogation tapes, over and over, I can't help but feel the cops talked way too much. They interrupted some of her lies..er..I mean "answers" but more importantly, with someone like Casey all that tough talk and going on and on just makes her more defiant. She might have said more than "uh huh" if they'd have not talked so much. That and all those non answers were her way of saying, "You've already made up your mind and you're going to believe what you want so why should I answer?"

Sometimes less is more, and with her penchant for non-stop yakking, I wonder what else they would have gotten from her if they'd have just let her do most the talking. Probably nothing but more lies, but they might have got a kernel of truth out of her.

Like when she is talking about Caylee not going crazy when she was talking to her on the phone after not seeing her mommy for weeks: Casey says something to the effect of if Caylee had been talking to Cindy, it would have been totally different. The cop is so heck-bent on continuing his speech that he totally missed that and didn't follow through. I think there could have been some missed insight there.
ITA, that one detective was so full of him self...just wouldnt shut up and let casey talk. their questions should have been short and open ended....meaning no questions where she could answer yes or no. They could have caught her in so many lies that coul;d of hurt her case...when she goes to trial. she does seem like a jabberbox and they should of shut up and let her jabber herself into a big hole. yuri was good...allen was the one that kept yammering on .... i got the impression he felt like he was the big experienced detective that would get the truth, when in reality he was so long and boring with his question casey turned him out...i know i did.

[Boxer]

It should be presented as evidence in a court, not on Nancy Grace.



unfortunately for the Anthonys, Florida has it's laws....

[Boxer]

FGS!!!!

If you had spent almost all of the productive hours of your day planning your safety tape strategy and then implementing it (which requires a great deal of effort wielding hammers and winding tape) don't you think it would be expected that - after it all - you would end up face down in a ditch?

Cut the woman a little slack! :)

And no, BTW, that image didn't show up on my WC.

lol, how's her weight loss clock lookin?

[aubrey04]

OMG. Don't EVEN get me started on NG.:cuss:

I've always thought it would be great to have NG and Bill O'Reilly have a talk show of their own. It would only last one episode but I'd love to see who stepped on whom the most. Oh, they'd come to blows.:punch:

but yet we are stuck with her because she's the only one doing the CaseyShow right now. Greta is doing politics mostly.. So we get Ms Nancy with her, "Woah..Woah.. Woah"'s.. and crazy guests, like Lenny..

[OneUp]

It isn't a big deal, until the argument is made that it is impossible for Casey to have a fair trial based on the abuse of power garnered to produce a negative opinion of Casey by the possible jury pool.

That's why Baez is accusing LE of grandstanding. He is setting the stage for later.

IMOSo, are you saying from a legal pov, that it would look better if LE had charged her for all counts of economic fraud at once? I can't see how putting something on the news to the effect of 'Casey Anthony was charged with 37 seperate counts of econmic fraud today' is better than having them mentioned in dripps and dabs. If they get mentioned seperately, isn't there a better chance of some jurors not being aware of the "magnitude" of the crimes?
[BTW, please allow me a bit of leeway with the terminology, I don't know Bo Diddley about fraud and check charges, and only this >< much about specific laws.:))
JMo, and JMQuestion?

[bcrmom]

Love it! And I have perfected "the Look"...LOL!!

I often use the silence method when I'm trying to get something from someone. We remodeled our house and our contractor was an azz. It was a great method and worked for me to get what I needed.

You said you were ordering the wood cabinets and not MDF...I know you were floored to see they were the cheaper ones..... Silence...... (I knew he was trying to cut corners and was hoping I didn't notice)

Worked every time.


Exactly!

It's hard for me cuz I'm usually very verbal. I say what I think. Esp when someone has ticked me off. I have to make a conscious effort to just shut up and push my internal "iggy" button. "The Look" is the best invention EV-uh! In fact, I think it could be considered "an art". :beer:

[Boxer]

but yet we are stuck with her because she's the only one doing the CaseyShow right now. Greta is doing politics mostly.. So we get Ms Nancy with her, "Woah..Woah.. Woah"'s.. and crazy guests, like Lenny..



speaking of crazy, is Garrison tied up in the playhouse or what?

[impartial]

So, are you saying from a legal pov, that it would look better if LE had charged her for all counts of economic fraud at once? I can't see how putting something on the news to the effect of 'Casey Anthony was charged with 37 seperate counts of econmic fraud today' is better than having them mentioned in dripps and dabs. If they get mentioned seperately, isn't there a better chance of some jurors not being aware of the "magnitude" of the crimes?
[BTW, please allow me a bit of leeway with the terminology, I don't know Bo Diddley about fraud and check charges, and only this >< much about specific laws.:))
JMo, and JMQuestion?


Every time she is arrested and let out, it is BREAKING NEWS.

The amount of police at her door, driving on their lawn, for petty theft, was ridiculous. She had an attorney, who offered to surrender her.



IMO

[bcrmom]

ITA, that one detective was so full of him self...just wouldnt shut up and let casey talk. their questions should have been short and open ended....meaning no questions where she could answer yes or no. They could have caught her in so many lies that coul;d of hurt her case...when she goes to trial. she does seem like a jabberbox and they should of shut up and let her jabber herself into a big hole. yuri was good...allen was the one that kept yammering on .... i got the impression he felt like he was the big experienced detective that would get the truth, when in reality he was so long and boring with his question casey turned him out...i know i did.


Me, too! I'm sitting here listening to this POS murderer lie through her teeth and I'm yelling at the cop to shut up! Let the murderer talk! lol

[kakax]

Just thinking about these arrests....the last time Casey was bailed out, LE was right out there saying they had more charges for her. We haven't heard that this time.

You think this is it before they go for the BIG charge?

[tiny paw-prints]

There are just so many issues out there, that I really feel are the Anthony's private matters. Things like who cut Caylee's cord at birth, George's prior marriage, and work history, income.. etc. I don't even want to tell you how many times while reading the posts I've yelled at my poor computer. "its none of your business". But its a trip to watch so many people who feel all the details of the Anthony's lives from birth till the present are somehow the business of the world. But thats just me.
:seeya:

I disagree. I think a family's history is relevant when an innocent child suddenly disappears or goes missing.

Usually a newborn brings a family together, regardless of the circumstances of the family's history. The family members are usually eager to bond with a newborn, and set their indifferences aside.

I continue to wonder why George filed for divorce? Caylee was only 5 months; I assume he may have actually removed himself from the house much earlier than the actual filing date of 12/29/05, Christmas holiday season, Caylee's First Christmas.

And, Lee? IIRC, he left the family home when Caylee was about a year old.

[5boxersmom]

So Lenny thinks there was an accomplice. hmmmm

Who do you all think it was? George?

jmo


Caylee:rose:

[kakax]

Every time she is arrested and let out, it is BREAKING NEWS.

The amount of police at her door, driving on their lawn, for petty theft, was ridiculous. She had an attorney, who offered to surrender her.



IMO



Couldn't this be a profiler's suggestion as to how to put pressure on Casey?

[barskin&co.]

There has been no abuse of power in the charging of Casey Anthony. She is a one woman crime wave.

[nana6]

That's the truth isnt it. Really sickening to watch, it's been a train wreck and all I know is that LE will NOT let this little girls memory be tarnished like this. They will figure it out; it's what LE does best. I could care less how much weight she's lost. I cannot believe she is even talking about something so obtuse, something so Vain as that. !! Well, I guess that's what happens when you watch your "cameos" all the time and see just how fat you really are? I dont know about that. But I can guess. :D im sick of seeing them in those stupid tshirts. You know that? Really sick. I think that some people will do anything for a buck. I mean will they be selling them on the street corners on Friday nights in traffic next? My DH would never be caught dead in a "matching" Tshirt. I guess the "matching" thing is a phenom now, I remember that in PDL. :sigh: Feel so sad tonight. Really very sad. All the antics, and BS, and weirdos coming out of the woodwork, and Hardly do we hear CAYLEES NAME.

ITA. Hardly do we hear Caylee's name WHY because attention is being brought to her mother and grandparents even uncle for their horrible and obscene behavior. The focus is on them when all anyone should be focusing on is that adorable angel Caylee:rose:

[kakax]

There has been no abuse of power in the charging of Casey Anthony. She is a one woman crime wave.

You mean one woman crime tsunami lol!!!

[Leanne Weich]

NG - .SNIPPED TO RESPOND TO BELOW POINT ONLY

Caller asked if Casey could beat a polygraph because she is a practiced liar. Expert says NO. Respiratory cycle...sweating...pulse rate..blood pressure changes when lying...

IMO, if she utilised the aid of a Zanny, she could pass easily.

[Moonkatt]

fox news live talking about the anthonys
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live10pm11pm.html

I watched this video then sat here too tired to click out when the next story rolled up: It's called "Filthy House" and while the text is horrifying enough, the photos just go in the "I can't believe they procreated" file and takes me back to wondering why a license is required to fish, but not breed. Remember, the story, more than the photos, cause this reaction.

::sad::

[Boxer]

I disagree. I think a family's history is relevant when an innocent child suddenly disappears or goes missing.

Usually a newborn brings a family together, regardless of the circumstances of the family's history. The family members are usually eager to bond with a newborn, and set their indifferences aside.

I continue to wonder why George filed for divorce? Caylee was only 5 months; I assume he may have actually removed himself from the house much earlier than the actual filing date of 12/29/05, Christmas holiday season, Caylee's First Christmas.

And, Lee? IIRC, he left the family home when Caylee was about a year old.


I abso.....completely agree! The Anthonys have tossed Caylee to the wolves in favor of this waste...big waste of air.

[impartial]

ITA, that one detective was so full of him self...just wouldnt shut up and let casey talk. their questions should have been short and open ended....meaning no questions where she could answer yes or no. They could have caught her in so many lies that coul;d of hurt her case...when she goes to trial. she does seem like a jabberbox and they should of shut up and let her jabber herself into a big hole. yuri was good...allen was the one that kept yammering on .... i got the impression he felt like he was the big experienced detective that would get the truth, when in reality he was so long and boring with his question casey turned him out...i know i did.


So did I.

And then when she started to talk about her long time friend that lived at Sawgrass (Dante), they stopped her!! I went UGH ... I want to know how she linked up Zenaida to Sawgrass; and there was possibly the link, and they shut her up.

:punch:

IMO

[bcrmom]

That's the truth isnt it. Really sickening to watch, it's been a train wreck and all I know is that LE will NOT let this little girls memory be tarnished like this. They will figure it out; it's what LE does best. I could care less how much weight she's lost. I cannot believe she is even talking about something so obtuse, something so Vain as that. !! Well, I guess that's what happens when you watch your "cameos" all the time and see just how fat you really are? I dont know about that. But I can guess. :D im sick of seeing them in those stupid tshirts. You know that? Really sick. I think that some people will do anything for a buck. I mean will they be selling them on the street corners on Friday nights in traffic next? My DH would never be caught dead in a "matching" Tshirt. I guess the "matching" thing is a phenom now, I remember that in PDL. :sigh: Feel so sad tonight. Really very sad. All the antics, and BS, and weirdos coming out of the woodwork, and Hardly do we hear CAYLEES NAME.

:seeya: dots ~~

Does it ever bother you that there are so many parents out there with truly missing kids that aren't getting any national attention to their child because of The Antics of the Anthony's?

Like every time a blonde girl goes missing, all of these other parents come out asking WHY are they only looking for the pretty ones? What about my missing child?

Bugs me a lot.

[need2no]

Great point....of course Juliet and Jeff would have called back to see if everything was ok! But not one phone call came from either Jeff or Juliet.

Maybe they both lost their cell phones that had Casey's number programmed in them. Stuff happens...just ask Casey. :D

[shelbar53]

when are the detectives coming back from california? I hope soon

[st777jo]

ITA, that one detective was so full of him self...just wouldnt shut up and let casey talk. their questions should have been short and open ended....meaning no questions where she could answer yes or no. They could have caught her in so many lies that coul;d of hurt her case...when she goes to trial. she does seem like a jabberbox and they should of shut up and let her jabber herself into a big hole. yuri was good...allen was the one that kept yammering on .... i got the impression he felt like he was the big experienced detective that would get the truth, when in reality he was so long and boring with his question casey turned him out...i know i did.


You do realize how dumbfounded we were listening to the tapes and we had the time to tear each sentence apart. Can you even begin to imagine how they felt, being there in person, with the proof she lied and lied and still went on with her "script". And you really want them to behave rationally, when we still can't on here. jmo

[kakax]

:seeya: dots ~~

Does it ever bother you that there are so many parents out there with truly missing kids that aren't getting any national attention to their child because of The Antics of the Anthony's?

Like every time a blonde girl goes missing, all of these other parents come out asking WHY are they only looking for the pretty ones? What about my missing child?

Bugs me a lot.

There was an amber alert today for a two kids (I believe). Don't know if anything came out of it, and don't really know the story. They obviously aren't getting coverage.

Yea, it bothers me alot!

[nana6]

So Lenny thinks there was an accomplice. hmmmm

Who do you all think it was? George?

jmo


Caylee:rose:

I am not sure about George. Remember when the po po came into his yard he showed them the ground where a plant or tree was and said it had been moved. Now, I dont know if he meant by he and Cindy or if it was moved by an intruder who may have done something. Also, I remember hearing that G told the LE that he thought Casey may not be telling the truth Sorry I do not have the correct words on this.

[Boxer]

The bank would love for me to pay back the money.

They'd also do everything in their power to put me in jail!

(This "me" stuff is getting a little uncomfortable.) :)


It is frustrating. I feel like that lying explitive has all the rights and Caylee is now only a deleted photo on a myspace. Makes me ill.

[impartial]

Couldn't this be a profiler's suggestion as to how to put pressure on Casey?


I think Casey learned from Joran.

They had their opportunity, and they did all the talking. If she didn't break during that interrogation, she isn't going to now.

IMO

[shelbar53]

goodnite all

[kakax]

Maybe they both lost their cell phones that had Casey's number programmed in them. Stuff happens...just ask Casey. :D

Either that or they lost their Sim card because they hadn't saved it to their phone, no way to call.

Ugh, I didn't even know what a Sim card was until this case.

[WillowInFlight]

So Lenny thinks there was an accomplice. hmmmm

Who do you all think it was? George?

jmo


Caylee:rose:

I took a break from NG tonight, did she have Lenny on and did he say anything about LE coming out to California tomorrow?

[kakax]

goodnite all


Night Shel...sds.

[impartial]

The bank would love for me to pay back the money.

They'd also do everything in their power to put me in jail!

(This "me" stuff is getting a little uncomfortable.) :)


Where's that laughing Santa when you need him.

lmao !

[kakax]

I think Casey learned from Joran.

They had their opportunity, and they did all the talking. If she didn't break during that interrogation, she isn't going to now.

IMO



I think you are right, but that may be what they are trying to do.

[5boxersmom]

I am not sure about George. Remember when the po po came into his yard he showed them the ground where a plant or tree was and said it had been moved. Now, I dont know if he meant by he and Cindy or if it was moved by an intruder who may have done something. Also, I remember hearing that G told the LE that he thought Casey may not be telling the truth Sorry I do not have the correct words on this.

I think Cindy told Greta they moved the tree or bush. Whatever it was.

I have a feeling George knows more then he has told. I think by the time LE got there they all were following a 'script."

jmo

Caylee:rose:

[Duckaroo]

I get such a sickening feeling in my stomach listening to Casey on those interview tapes..when she says she'd do anything, lie and steal to find Caylee I think yeah..anything but tell the truth!

:cuss: hammer

[Rebel Rouzer]

Yeah, to the extent that its being discussed on a court themed message board.


AHHH Rats and i thought you cared period.

Do ya care that I burned the roof of my mouth tonight and it hurts like heck? Do you care that some people don't care at all about my burning my mouth tonight?

AHHH carp. do you care at all about anything that isn't consistant with your posision and agenda on these boards? Please not reply if you are going to be facetious or condecending or or or or. ahhh forget it. lmao

[kakax]

I took a break from NG tonight, did she have Lenny on and did he say anything about LE coming out to California tomorrow?



He did. He also brought out a new bombshell theory :rolleyes: that Casey had an accomplice.

The only other new thing I heard him say was that Casey may have been spotted at a hotel at some point. He was cut off and NG never followed up.

[impartial]

I think you are right, but that may be what they are trying to do.


Could be.


Heck, I almost confessed reading the transcript. ;)

IMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

when are the detectives coming back from california? I hope soon

According to tonight Fox 35 late news, LE leaves tomorrow for their 3000 mile trip to CA, but that info is based upon NG's show.

IIRC, reportedly off-duty LE will be patroling on Hopesprings Drive Fri, Sat, and Sun. Believed to be cheaper for FL taxpayers than responding to 911 calls.
jmo

[dixie77]

but yet we are stuck with her because she's the only one doing the CaseyShow right now. Greta is doing politics mostly.. So we get Ms Nancy with her, "Woah..Woah.. Woah"'s.. and crazy guests, like Lenny..
==========

Well I emailed Greta tonite and told her to please get off the politics and get back to Caylee Anthony. I also told her that NG is beating LK in the ratings (as per someone who posted last nite on here). If any one wants to email her here is the addy.....ontherecord@foxnews.com

[5boxersmom]

I took a break from NG tonight, did she have Lenny on and did he say anything about LE coming out to California tomorrow?

Yes he did. He also said they were going to talk to the Hawkins guy. The Marine. I forget where he said the Marine lived though.

Caylee:rose:

[Boxer]

I think Casey learned from Joran.

They had their opportunity, and they did all the talking. If she didn't break during that interrogation, she isn't going to now.

IMO



I think they underestimated the emptiness of her soul

I gotta go to bed. up at 3 am for work. It's a new job at Universal. Can't wait for tomorrow's weight loss announcement....

[WillowInFlight]

He did. He also brought out a new bombshell theory :rolleyes: that Casey had an accomplice.

The only other new thing I heard him say was that Casey may have been spotted at a hotel at some point. He was cut off and NG never followed up.

Oh Thanks, did he say where the motel was located? And I'm curious did he say she had an accomplice like he knew that for a fact? It's going to be interesting to see what new spin he adds to this.

[kakax]

I think they underestimated the emptiness of her soul

I gotta go to bed. up at 3 am for work. It's a new job at Universal. Can't wait for tomorrow's weight loss announcement....


Sleep well!

[spiritwolf46]

It is frustrating. I feel like that lying explitive has all the rights and Caylee is now only a deleted photo on a myspace. Makes me ill.

Good evening all! :seeya:

Was reading through this evenings posts and I had to stop at this one. This is SO true! For a family who wanted to supposedly keep Caylee in the forefront, they sure have done an incredibly LOUSY job doing it! It is not about this missing little precious girl, it is all about their SICK murderous daughter who could not care less about this little one.

Make me ill as well.

[WillowInFlight]

Yes he did. He also said they were going to talk to the Hawkins guy. The Marine. I forget where he said the Marine lived though.

Caylee:rose:

Thanks sweetie

[poplife]

Oh Thanks, did he say where the motel was located? And I'm curious did he say she had an accomplice like he knew that for a fact? It's going to be interesting to see what new spin he adds to this.

he just said same cell tower as the A's house. Can someone local figure it out on a map? Pebbles?

[Shells2]

Listening to Casey's interrogation tapes, over and over, I can't help but feel the cops talked way too much. They interrupted some of her lies..er..I mean "answers" but more importantly, with someone like Casey all that tough talk and going on and on just makes her more defiant. She might have said more than "uh huh" if they'd have not talked so much. That and all those non answers were her way of saying, "You've already made up your mind and you're going to believe what you want so why should I answer?"

Sometimes less is more, and with her penchant for non-stop yakking, I wonder what else they would have gotten from her if they'd have just let her do most the talking. Probably nothing but more lies, but they might have got a kernel of truth out of her.

Like when she is talking about Caylee not going crazy when she was talking to her on the phone after not seeing her mommy for weeks: Casey says something to the effect of if Caylee had been talking to Cindy, it would have been totally different. The cop is so heck-bent on continuing his speech that he totally missed that and didn't follow through. I think there could have been some missed insight there.


ITA BCRmom! I'm so glad you said that - I have been thinking the same thing! Everyone that talks to Casey, cuts her off. If they would let her finish a sentence, a thought.. maybe they would have more information. Even that first phone call home, when Lee & Christina were talking to her - they kept cutting her off, and I was sitting there thinking "What was she going to say?"..

[kakax]

Oh Thanks, did he say where the motel was located? And I'm curious did he say she had an accomplice like he knew that for a fact? It's going to be interesting to see what new spin he adds to this.

He mentioned it so quickly, if you weren't listening carefully you would have missed it. Nothing more than Casey being spotted at a hotel.

He felt like the phone calls, their patterns. and Caylee's decomposition led to the idea of an accomplice.

[nana6]

I think Cindy told Greta they moved the tree or bush. Whatever it was.

I have a feeling George knows more then he has told. I think by the time LE got there they all were following a 'script."

jmo

Caylee:rose:

I agree and this script was NOT from Zanny

[spiritwolf46]

I actually use to spend time making what I thought to be "thought provoking" posts, but since so many threads, people and posts are deleted into non existence, on a whim, I keep my effort for use on other things.

What? :shrug:

[Shellberry]

I watched this video then sat here too tired to click out when the next story rolled up: It's called "Filthy House" and while the text is horrifying enough, the photos just go in the "I can't believe they procreated" file and takes me back to wondering why a license is required to fish, but not breed. Remember, the story, more than the photos, cause this reaction.

::sad::

huh? Im watching the live news broadcast--at 10 and 11 they broadcast live from the newsroom.
I dont know what happens with the link after the news is over, I always x out of it.
supposed to be something on at 11-they havent talked about it yet, unless they did in the first 7 minutes.
I've had the volume on since 11:07

imo/jmo

[kakax]

Lol! I know what she meant about trying to save the numbers to her new phone memory and the card memory, it's just that there were no such calls ever made; and her online records did prove that. I wonder exactly what her fasicination is with the Movies, and using characters from the movies, and names of stars. Even when she said Juilette Lewis was her co worker, I would have said "your kidding me, right"?? I know I wouldnt have missed a heartbeat on that one... And really her idiot elaborate tale of trying to find this missing phone, remember now she told Lee on teh Jail house tapes "well; it MAY HAVE fell out of my pocket or I MAY HAVE lost it in the park" and it was early on when she said that to Lee, that I knew....there was no phone and truly there was something very very wrong. I dont believe that Casey ever left that house; I dont believe she ever moved out. I believe the fighting was Real enough. But she didnt have anywhere to sleep with Caylee. Do you all think, that her boyfriends made it clear to her; Caylee shouldnt be here at night, so she put her in the trunk, and maybe she suffocated? Found the next morning, scratches on the trunk, vomit and other body fluids all over the trunk? A mess in other words. Here is another Theory: This happened, above. Except Casey was wasted and passed out, didnt wake up til, oh lets say NOON. In the heat, Caylee Died. This is very very possible. We know there was no where for Caylee to sleep. And NO ONE can place this child in their Apt or Home, Mid June on. Why is that? Was she in the trunk? Casey had her sleeping in there? Casey did you do that to Caylee?



I like your theory!!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Oh Thanks, did he say where the motel was located? And I'm curious did he say she had an accomplice like he knew that for a fact? It's going to be interesting to see what new spin he adds to this.

FWIW, WF BH said they could not determine if Casey left the 15th or the 16th based on the phone calls Lee provided because calls placed from the "hotel" would bounce off the same tower - therefore hotel must be close to the Anthony home - if it exists.
jmo

[WillowInFlight]

He mentioned it so quickly, if you weren't listening carefully you would have missed it. Nothing more than Casey being spotted at a hotel.

He felt like the phone calls, their patterns. and Caylee's decomposition led to the idea of an accomplice.

Thanks, I wonder what exactly he knows about Caylee's decomposition.

[Margo555]

Every time she is arrested and let out, it is BREAKING NEWS.

The amount of police at her door, driving on their lawn, for petty theft, was ridiculous. She had an attorney, who offered to surrender her.



IMO

From what I have read that was also Cindy's fault. Baez had faxed the LE telling them he wanted to bring her in. He didn't call them, just faxed late that day. In the meantime a bunch of protesters showed up and Cindy called LE telling them that they were breaking into the house. A lie...but she is known to do that to get them out there. (remember the black couple that George said were trying to break in and all they were doing is knocking on the door and yelling at him through the door?) When the LE got the message someone was trying to break in, they decided now was the best time to take the warrant and pick her up. So blame Cindy once more. MOO I don't have a link to that, but I read it recently somewhere.

[kakax]

FWIW, WF BH said they could not determine if Casey left the 15th or the 16th based on the phone calls Lee provided because calls placed from the "hotel" would bounce off the same tower - therefore hotel must be close to the Anthony home - if it exists.
jmo

I forgot about all that...thanks for reminding me. You know what we need now? We need LP to release those phone records.

[OneUp]

One link regarding Elder A/N/E....I know it is not Florida, I'm looking for one not in "legalese" for the right state. I can tell you this is in accordance with the A/N/E laws in Kansas as far as procedure and what constitues the crimes. I have seen much discussion of how A/N?E/ applies in this case. In KS. The State brings the charges on behalf ot the victim. The victim need not testify, and can even be unwilling to cooperate and charges still brought. Think of it in terms of how child abuse is charged and investigated, and it will be clearer.
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Maine health and Human services
Office of Elder Services


http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/beas/resource/anequide.htm

"Mandatory Reporting: Maine law (22 MRSA §3477-3479-A) requires that if any of the following individuals suspects that an adult has been abused, neglected or exploited, and there is reasonable cause to suspect that the adult is incapacitated or dependent, then that individual shall immediately report to the Department.

Professionals Individuals who are mandated to report while acting in a professional capacity:

Ambulance Attendant Mental Health Professional
Certified Nursing Assistant Occupational Therapist
Chiropractor Pharmacist
Clergy Physical Therapist
Dentist Physician (MD and DO)
Emergency Medical Technician Physician’s Assistant
Emergency Room Personnel Podiatrist
Humane Agent Psychologist
Law Enforcement Official Registered Nurse
Licensed Practical Nurse Social Worker
Medical Examiner Speech Therapist
Medical Intern Unlicensed Assistive Personnel "


"Definition of Exploitation
"Exploitation" means the illegal or improper use of an incapacitated or dependent adult or that adult’s resources for another's profit or advantage (22 MRSA §3472).

Indicators of Exploitation
A resident's relative, who is representative payee, fails to pay nursing facility or assisted living facility bills and provide personal needs money.
The facility administrator, who is a resident's representative payee, purchases furniture or clothing not intended for the resident.
A resident is manipulated into giving away money or personal property such as a TV, jewelry, or furniture.
Disappearance of personal property; transfer of property, savings, insurance; unexplained change in cash flow; change in will, representative payee, power of attorney; or depleted bank accounts may be suspicious of financial exploitation."

"Referrals to Law Enforcement
Upon finding evidence indicating that a person has abused or neglected an incapacitated or dependent adult resulting in serious harm, or has exploited an incapacitated or dependent adult, the Department is required to notify the District Attorney or law enforcement. Suspected abuse, neglect or exploitation on the part of staff in licensed facilities is also reported to the Health Care Crimes Unit of the Attorney General's Office."
JMO...I am looking for some clearly written laws and procedures for the State of Florida.

[dixie77]

I am scared. What if JB uses the insanity plea for Casey? OMG i hate to even think about that happening. JMO

[kakax]

Thanks, I wonder what exactly he knows about Caylee's decomposition.

I think he was just theorizing....not based on any facts.

He also said that it was Lee's idea not to take the polygraph and that G and C followed his lead. I think he has it out for Lee. MOO

[5boxersmom]

Thanks sweetie


YW. Anytime. :)

Caylee:rose:

[impartial]

From what I have read that was also Cindy's fault. Baez had faxed the LE telling them he wanted to bring her in. He didn't call them, just faxed late that day. In the meantime a bunch of protesters showed up and Cindy called LE telling them that they were breaking into the house. A lie...but she is known to do that to get them out there. (remember the black couple that George said were trying to break in and all they were doing is knocking on the door and yelling at him through the door?) When the LE got the message someone was trying to break in, they decided now was the best time to take the warrant and pick her up. So blame Cindy once more. MOO I don't have a link to that, but I read it recently somewhere.


Baez, during an interview, said he actually spoke on the telephone on Friday with LE about surrendering her, as well as sending an e-mail.

:shrug:

I hadn't heard about Cindy calling them and saying protestors were breaking in the house ... but it sounds about right for her.

IMO

[dixie77]

I love 29 Palms. :rose: I hope he can tell them something. The phone records must show, long conversations. Long enough for LE to suspect that she told him something. That's what Im thinking......Lets hope she did get drunk and tell him. We all know from her pictures, she loved to drink. And, you know what. I'm still convinced that there is a mental health background. Maybe from her childhood even. It's very very possible. There are not too many things that could have happened to Casey to make her switch off. The things that could have happened are too upsetting to think about. I guess I do believe in sociopaths, being made. We are only as sick as our secrets. I guess my question would be, why didnt anyone attempt to intervene and help her? Why didnt anyone notice or care? Why did her parents enable her and let her behavior continue? This is what killed Caylee. you dont give your kid a spare car key to keep in your pocket every night they "go out" so that they dont lock their kid in the car. That; is NOT NORMAL, nor is it good parenting....it borders on ABUSE for me. Dots
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Hi Dots. But why would LE have waited so long to talk to him?

[kakax]

I am scared. What if JB uses the insanity plea for Casey? OMG i hate to even think about that happening. JMO

I am not an atty but those cases are very hard to prove. She has been covering up so much, she knows the difference between right and wrong....I don't think it would fly.

In order for that defense to work, she would have to be in the state of not knowing right from wrong....not just be mentally ill.
Let's face it....most people who commit horrible crimes have some sort of disorder.

[5boxersmom]

Good evening all! :seeya:

Was reading through this evenings posts and I had to stop at this one. This is SO true! For a family who wanted to supposedly keep Caylee in the forefront, they sure have done an incredibly LOUSY job doing it! It is not about this missing little precious girl, it is all about their SICK murderous daughter who could not care less about this little one.

Make me ill as well.


There you are. I wondered if you survived the 'hurricane" in Ohio. LOL We got hit hard.

I don't think they care about anything anymore except Casey and the money they can rake in.

jmo

Caylee:rose:

[tiny paw-prints]

Yes he did. He also said they were going to talk to the Hawkins guy. The Marine. I forget where he said the Marine lived though.

Caylee:rose:

Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center Twentynine Palms

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Corps_Air_Ground_Combat_Center_Twentynine_P alms

[Rebel Rouzer]

I am scared. What if JB uses the insanity plea for Casey? OMG i hate to even think about that happening. JMO

Exactly the reason I have said the more people say she has mental problems the more likelyhood they will use that as a defense and she by no means has a mental issue other than selfishness and narcisism.

[nana6]

I love 29 Palms. :rose: I hope he can tell them something. The phone records must show, long conversations. Long enough for LE to suspect that she told him something. That's what Im thinking......Lets hope she did get drunk and tell him. We all know from her pictures, she loved to drink. And, you know what. I'm still convinced that there is a mental health background. Maybe from her childhood even. It's very very possible. There are not too many things that could have happened to Casey to make her switch off. The things that could have happened are too upsetting to think about. I guess I do believe in sociopaths, being made. We are only as sick as our secrets. I guess my question would be, why didnt anyone attempt to intervene and help her? Why didnt anyone notice or care? Why did her parents enable her and let her behavior continue? This is what killed Caylee. you dont give your kid a spare car key to keep in your pocket every night they "go out" so that they dont lock their kid in the car. That; is NOT NORMAL, nor is it good parenting....it borders on ABUSE for me. Dots

Dots, I am thinkg that this is where her attorney is going to come in with mental issues during her trial. I can see it coming.

[Oregongal]

Hi all, just signed on for today. I watched NG so that's all the news I've gotten today.
Any news that she didn't have that I may have missed? I know I get alot of news here first, you all are so good at finding it.
What do you all think of LP's new theory of an accomplice? I have an opinion, but before I would throw it out I'd like to know what everyone else thinks about it.
I don't have the link for the mobile cam and am wondering if there are or have been protesters today?
Has Lynn Gweeny checked in yet?
Are all of our posters in Texas doing well after Ike? As well as those
who were in the wake of that in other states?

Sorry for all the questions, but with grandson starting school he caught a cold and it's made it's way to me, so not feeling well enough to :read: all that has been posted today. Also have an infected tooth. Both have caused me to to lay down and doze all day.
I was really praying when I turned on NG I would hear that Caylee may have been found and/or Casey had been charged and re arrested for murder/manslaughter. Instead I hear the tapes, which is good, connecting her voice to the transcripts on the doc dump, gives me more insight to this lying little b****.
But then I also hear Lenny's new theory. All I can think is...can this get any crazier?
So anyone who could give me synopsis of the days happenings, I would appreciate it greatly.
:)

[WillowInFlight]

I think he was just theorizing....not based on any facts.

He also said that it was Lee's idea not to take the polygraph and that G and C followed his lead. I think he has it out for Lee. MOO
What is it that Lee does for a living? He seems to be calling a lot of the shots.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Regarding Casey's Orange Co Corrections visitors, did WW's visit on Tues 7/29 and SK's visit of Sun 8/3 occur or were they cancelled due to Casey's brother and parents only doctrine? TIA
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0728/17013636.pdf

Only parents and brother may visit Casey Anthony
Bianca Prieto Sentinel Staff Writer
4:24 PM EDT, July 31, 2008


Casey Anthony has requested that no one outside of her immediate family be allowed to visit her at the Orange County Jail.

The request, made today, asks only that Cindy, George and Lee Anthony be allowed to call or visit her. The request form does not state why she only wants visits from family.
http://www.namguardianangel.blogspot.com/2008/07/only-parents-and-brother-may-visit.html

[nana6]

I am scared. What if JB uses the insanity plea for Casey? OMG i hate to even think about that happening. JMO

Dixie, I just posted that to Dots!!! I just know this is coming

[5boxersmom]

I agree and this script was NOT from Zanny

Yeah no kidding. I just feel everything changed after the third 911 call. As someone else said they circled the wagons.

jmo

Caylee:rose:

[impartial]

I am not an atty but those cases are very hard to prove. She has been covering up so much, she knows the difference between right and wrong....I don't think it would fly.

In order for that defense to work, she would have to be in the state of not knowing right from wrong....not just be mentally ill.
Let's face it....most people who commit horrible crimes have some sort of disorder.


Good case on point relative to how hard it is, is Andrea Yates first trial ... if ever there was a case that the insanity defense should apply is hers.

I've wondered if Casey has some sort of traumatic amnesia ... her demeanor doesn't make sense under any scenario ... sociopaths/psychopaths are concerned about their own welfare, and the fact that she may be facing murder charges doesn't seem to phase her ... she is not concerned about her own predicament.

Too weird.

IMO

[dixie77]

Dixie, I just posted that to Dots!!! I just know this is coming

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And its sad to think about huh?

[WillowInFlight]

Oregongal, Hope you and your grandson are feeling better, Take care of those teeth, I swear that is the worst pain in the world.

BTW Cindy said she lost 29 pounds due to all the stress she has been under, so today it was all about Cindy. She did an interview on a spanish speaking channel because she thinks Caylee might be in PR. Even though she said she was spotted in Florida last week:rolleyes:

[kakax]

Good case on point relative to how hard it is, is Andrea Yates first trial ... if ever there was a case that the insanity defense should apply is hers.

I've wondered if Casey has some sort of traumatic amnesia ... her demeanor doesn't make sense under any scenario ... sociopaths/psychopaths are concerned about their own welfare, and the fact that she may be facing murder charges doesn't seem to phase her ... she is not concerned about her own predicament.

Too weird.

IMO

It is weird. I just assumed that she is so full of herself, she doesn't think anything will happen to her.

[5boxersmom]

Okay, I just had a weird late-night revelation. You just used the term 'script'. I use that term alot, as in 'the doc gave me a 30 day script for xanax". When I first visited this board, and everyone was talking about casey's 'script', I thought they were talking about medication.

So, could this be a freudian slip by casey (or a little inside joke) by saying Zanny gave me a 30 day script, instead of I had a 30 day script for zanny (aka xanax). Perhaps her script ran out, or Caylee was developing a tolerance, and she decided to switch to chloroform resulting in her 'accidentally' killing her child. Just a thought... I wonder if LE has checked to see if there was and xanax prescriptions in that household (I'm sure, or at least I hope, that they have looked into that).

I hope this doesn't sound too silly, it's past my bedtime...:seeya:

You know I have never mentioned this because I didn't want anyone to think I was trying to point something out that wasn't there. :) But I have noticed in some of Caylee's pictures she does seem to have dark circles under her eyes which could come from being drugged.

jmo

Caylee:rose:

[rj1212]

Originally posted by Jennyanydots:
Snipped...
Do you all think, that her boyfriends made it clear to her; Caylee shouldnt be here at night, so she put her in the trunk, and maybe she suffocated? Found the next morning, scratches on the trunk, vomit and other body fluids all over the trunk? A mess in other words. Here is another Theory: This happened, above. Except Casey was wasted and passed out, didnt wake up til, oh lets say NOON. In the heat, Caylee Died. This is very very possible. We know there was no where for Caylee to sleep. And NO ONE can place this child in their Apt or Home, Mid June on. Why is that? Was she in the trunk? Casey had her sleeping in there? Casey did you do that to Caylee?[/QUOTE]


From day 1, I have firmly believe that this is what happened to poor Caylee...or a slight variation thereof...

Just look at what the behavioral evidence points to...she's sleeping around with guys yet she has to watch Caylee practically 24/7 after the falling out with Cindy...

She is out clubbing as much as possible yet Caylee HAD to be somewhere as it was supposedly verified that she was alive initially...

I believe it was a case of willful, gross neglect that caused her death.
Of course, seeing how cold she has been since has led me to believe that she was certainly CAPABLE of murdering Caylee. Either way, Casey didn't care about Caylee in the least.

[Takotna]

Went on a Local TX spanish network to tell everyone Caylee is alive; and missing :shrug: That's what she has done. Next stop; Africa. Dots

Great, now she's involving the people in Texas - don't they have enough to worry about after Hurricane Ike? Is there a limit on the number of narcissists one family can have?

How she can perpetrate these myths is completely beyone me. After listening of her own daughter spew lie after lie, knowing and covering her stealing, smelling the dead-body car, the list goes on and on....how can she possibly involve people who are in the middle of a natural disaster?

I was convinced Caylee was not coming back when I learned the carseat was in the car. That did it for me. Caylee didn't need the carseat anymore. When my kids were young - carseats were always being moved around, taken on vacation - planes, trains, boats, - the sitter had one, each kid had one....you know how it goes. This one little fact is telling.

When Casey says she waited and paced, went to the park, etc. -looking for ZG & Caylee - it sounded like no big deal. I would have been angry to think the (invisible) nanny had taken Caylee without a carseat. (Maybe it was an invisible carseat too).

Oops - I kind of went off on a tangent there.....I don't think C/G are in "denial" in any sense of the word. At this point I think they know Caylee is not coming home and have 'moved on' to the protect Casey mode. Cindy so much as said this (paraphrasing) I'm at peace, there's nothing we can do now. G/C's main goal now is to confuse the facts (lies) and move the focus elsewhere - in other places, on other people.

Even if they did have supportive friends/relatives to begin with, it's my opinion they would have begun to thin by now. Genuine supportive, compassionate people can only endure deceit for so long - this is probably why there hasn't been any visible support from the beginning.

I am praying for the people in the path of the hurricane.

Sorry - I got a bit too long there.....This TX thing really got to me!

AllMO:)

[barskin&co.]

Good case on point relative to how hard it is, is Andrea Yates first trial ... if ever there was a case that the insanity defense should apply is hers.

I've wondered if Casey has some sort of traumatic amnesia ... her demeanor doesn't make sense under any scenario ... sociopaths/psychopaths are concerned about their own welfare, and the fact that she may be facing murder charges doesn't seem to phase her ... she is not concerned about her own predicament.

Too weird.

IMO


Traumatic amnesia, yet she knows to keep on lying. I don't think so.

[WillowInFlight]

It is weird. I just assumed that she is so full of herself, she doesn't think anything will happen to her.

I agee, she doesn't think anything will happen to her because she has never had to pay for her sins before, Cindy and George always covered for her IMO. I listen to the tapes and she is so void of emotion, but then I think back on the pictures of her and Caylee and she looked so happy with her.:shrug:

[spiritwolf46]

There you are. I wondered if you survived the 'hurricane" in Ohio. LOL We got hit hard.

I don't think they care about anything anymore except Casey and the money they can rake in.

jmo

Caylee:rose:

:seeya: JUST got power back this eve! What a mess THAT was! Glad to see that you are are okay and hope that all with our Ohioans and neighboring states are fine as well.

ITA. There has been nothing about this little one from any of them and if what we hear is correct and they are collecting "blood money" then I hope they burn in he77 right along with the ice princess that they created.

What a sad shame this has all been. I see where Casey seems to be able to afford and change her celeb sub glasses quite often. And for her to wear Rosary beads just REALLY get under my skin. I am shocked that they are not burning through HER skin with all that evil she carries around. She gives me chills.

The Casey Anthony's of this world are the ones to be VERY VERY afraid of! They have no conscience, no feelings, no sense of remorse for anything that they have done. It seems to be someone else's fault for anything wrong that they do. There are no tears, no sweating, no nothing. Just plain coldness that can be felt all over the world on those that have followed this case.

She is pure evil and I for one, am glad that she is not here in Ohio anymore. She is a walking lunatic and would stop at nothing to get what she wanted day after day.

She is a complete and true nightmare. SHIVER!!!!!

[nana6]

Good night friends. Tomorrow may be the day we get Caylee back. Let's pray :rose: and while we are at it, let's also pray that g and c find some religon and come to their senses

[OneUp]

This site deals with A/N/E against the developmentally disabled, generally laws are identical for Elder Abuse in a state.

Zero Tolerance Initiative to End Abuse, Neglect, and Exploitation against Floridians with Developmental Disabilities

http://apd.myflorida.com/zero-tolerance/

"The state of Florida launched the Zero Tolerance Initiative in September 2003 as a means by which to combat sexual violence committed against persons with developmental disabilities. Since that time, the Zero Tolerance Initiative has expanded to now serve as our Agency's aggressive and proactive multi-pronged approach to dealing with the national problem of all forms of abuse, neglect, and exploitation committed against individuals with developmental disabilities."
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Florida Department of Children & Families

http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/abuse/definitions.shtml

"Vulnerable Adult - a person age 18 years or older who has a disability or is suffering from the infirmities of aging."

"EXPLOITATION: Actions of deception or intimidation, for the purpose of personal gain or benefit by a person in a position of trust, that deprives a vulnerable adult of the use, benefit or possession of funds, assets or property. Exploitation also occurs when the Possible Responsible Person knows or should know that the vulnerable adult lacks the capacity to consent and who obtains or uses, or endeavors to obtain or use, their funds, assets or property for personal gain or benefit. "
*This site is very general about reporting/investigative procedures.
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The 2008 Florida Statutes

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0825/SEC102.HTM&Title=-%20target=
"Neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult" means: ...

2. A caregiver's failure to make a reasonable effort to protect an elderly person or disabled adult from abuse, neglect, or exploitation by another person. "
More here ^ if you wish to read on...


Just some links...I don't know why all of this info. is so buried and written as it is. Why not provide simple and claer information? I like the Maine site, very easy for a layman to interpret!

[spiritwolf46]

Good night friends. Tomorrow may be the day we get Caylee back. Let's pray :rose: and while we are at it, let's also pray that g and c find some religon and come to their senses

Night Nana! Glad to see you are okay from the storm on Sunday. Sleep well and we will pray with you about Caylee in hopes that she will be back soon.

[rj1212]

Traumatic amnesia, yet she knows to keep on lying. I don't think so.

ITA...:beer: right on the money...

[5boxersmom]

:seeya: JUST got power back this eve! What a mess THAT was! Glad to see that you are are okay and hope that all with our Ohioans and neighboring states are fine as well.

ITA. There has been nothing about this little one from any of them and if what we hear is correct and they are collecting "blood money" then I hope they burn in he77 right along with the ice princess that they created.

What a sad shame this has all been. I see where Casey seems to be able to afford and change her celeb sub glasses quite often. And for her to wear Rosary beads just REALLY get under my skin. I am shocked that they are not burning through HER skin with all that evil she carries around. She gives me chills.

The Casey Anthony's of this world are the ones to be VERY VERY afraid of! They have no conscience, no feelings, no sense of remorse for anything that they have done. It seems to be someone else's fault for anything wrong that they do. There are no tears, no sweating, no nothing. Just plain coldness that can be felt all over the world on those that have followed this case.

She is pure evil and I for one, am glad that she is not here in Ohio anymore. She is a walking lunatic and would stop at nothing to get what she wanted day after day.

She is a complete and true nightmare. SHIVER!!!!!

Two days without power. :seeya:

Yep, she has no conscience. A true con artist without a soul. When I look at her on tv or see pics of her I do not see a soul in her eyes. Very Scary.
jmo

Caylee:rose:

[5boxersmom]

Good night friends. Tomorrow may be the day we get Caylee back. Let's pray :rose: and while we are at it, let's also pray that g and c find some religon and come to their senses

Night Nana. Glad you survived the hurricane too. :)

Poor little Caylee, failed in life and death by her family.:rose:

[Takotna]

I think they underestimated the emptiness of her soul
I gotta go to bed. up at 3 am for work. It's a new job at Universal. Can't wait for tomorrow's weight loss announcement....


I nominate Boxer's post for the 'Post of the Day'!

Good night..
AllMO:)

[barskin&co.]

I agee, she doesn't think anything will happen to her because she has never had to pay for her sins before, Cindy and George always covered for her IMO. I listen to the tapes and she is so void of emotion, but then I think back on the pictures of her and Caylee and she looked so happy with her.:shrug:

Here's more:
Implications of no empathy and no fear

Sociopaths do not feel empathy. As Dr. Liane Leedom and other experts have written, they also do not feel fear. Empathy and fear are the basic components of remorse and guilt—so sociopaths don’t feel those emotions, either.

What does all this mean? Sociopaths do not really care about people. They do not feel obliged to comply with society’s rules. They cannot be trusted to “do the right thing.” They have no morals.

That—in all its emptiness—is the true nature of a sociopath.
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/09/02/what-is-a-sociopath-feeling/

[spiritwolf46]

Well all, I wanted to check in and check on all those who I care so much about. It has been a long week and need to get some rest.

I will check back in with coffee in hand in the morning!

All be SAFE and pray very hard that this little one will be found be given a proper burial.

:rose: For Caylee and for you all.

Night!

[kakax]

OG My Bud! Am sorry you feel so rotten. I hope you get some antibiotics for your tooth, that can be a nightmare. I had a root abcess once, and thought I would die. Have to have Amoxi for that mess. Actually had to have the tooth itself, packed with antibiotics, for good measure. Oh the horror. But it did work. OG I am going to list this link. Im tired too and I've got to go up and try to sleep. Cindy released some plea to find Caylee in Spanish today for a TX network, claiming that Caylee was alive. Sound Familiar? LE is in CA, to intv the Ex Con Padilla, who cnn continues to use on their nightly show as an inside source on this case. Bizarre. On the way to 29 Palms to intv Marine. I think the phone records show long conversations. Worth flying all the way to CA for. Just my short 2c. Im sorry its not more but here is a great source with all the video links, daily news etc. I like this link: http://www.local6.com/video/17383884/index.html And guess what Good news in another case, found alive: http://www.newser.com/story/37602/ferry-workers-rescue-missing-teacher-in-water.html


Wow! Glad she was found!! Sounds like she has some serious issues that will need to be dealt with.

Night everyone !!

[WillowInFlight]

Here's more:
Implications of no empathy and no fear

Sociopaths do not feel empathy. As Dr. Liane Leedom and other experts have written, they also do not feel fear. Empathy and fear are the basic components of remorse and guilt—so sociopaths don’t feel those emotions, either.

What does all this mean? Sociopaths do not really care about people. They do not feel obliged to comply with society’s rules. They cannot be trusted to “do the right thing.” They have no morals.

That—in all its emptiness—is the true nature of a sociopath.
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/09/02/what-is-a-sociopath-feeling/
Thanks for the link Barb, It's just mind blowing, but then I think back on SP.

[impartial]

Traumatic amnesia, yet she knows to keep on lying. I don't think so.


She's been lying for years ... not just about this situation. She is a pathological liar. Have you ever known one? I have ... they will tell you they had chicken for dinner when they had pasta ... there is no rhyme or reason for their lies.

And they don't think beyond the lie at that moment. It's a very strange processing.

IMO

[need2no]

Regarding Casey's Orange Co Corrections visitors, did WW's visit on Tues 7/29 and SK's visit of Sun 8/3 occur or were they cancelled due to Casey's brother and parents only doctrine? TIA
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0728/17013636.pdf

Only parents and brother may visit Casey Anthony
Bianca Prieto Sentinel Staff Writer
4:24 PM EDT, July 31, 2008


Casey Anthony has requested that no one outside of her immediate family be allowed to visit her at the Orange County Jail.

The request, made today, asks only that Cindy, George and Lee Anthony be allowed to call or visit her. The request form does not state why she only wants visits from family.
http://www.namguardianangel.blogspot.com/2008/07/only-parents-and-brother-may-visit.html

:shrug:


Hey CuC...even though WW's scheduled visit was prior to Casey's decision on 7/31 to only allow family to visit, I do not recall anything ever being stated about WW seeing Casey on 7/29, or SK being allowed to visit on 8/3.

[5boxersmom]

:shrug:


Hey CuC...even though WW's scheduled visit was prior to Casey's decision on 7/31 to only allow family to visit, I do not recall anything ever being stated about WW seeing Casey on 7/29, or SK being allowed to visit on 8/3.

Who is WW and SK? I am a few days behind on some things. :)

Thanks

Caylee:rose:

[impartial]

:shrug:


Hey CuC...even though WW's scheduled visit was prior to Casey's decision on 7/31 to only allow family to visit, I do not recall anything ever being stated about WW seeing Casey on 7/29, or SK being allowed to visit on 8/3.


Who was the guy that his visit with her was recorded? I can't remember his name ... he mentioned something about Mike, IIRC.

[Pruddennce]

Honestly, I don't think LE gave a rats behind about the economic charges until Casey was bailed out of jail ... they believed the bail was set high enough to keep her in there.

And that's what bothers me about their actions. They are trying to keep her behind bars while they mount a case against her ... that's not the way it's supposed to go. Either they have the goods, and if they don't, they have to be patient until they do, without violating the POI's rights ... otherwise they risk having everything thrown out on technicalities.

IMO

I agree impartial about the bail.....it was high enough and:

she was behind bars before LP & posee rode into town....LE was not happy IMO with his meddling.....LE saw what she was firsthand.....do you think they wanted her home in the house, with a father who had a weapon (and everyone knows darn well LE knew he had a weapon in the home)...

LE didnt want another Melinda Duckett..and they certainly knew she wasnt going to be conned with milk and cookies and tell him or anyone else what happened to Caylee...

or help with a search

or plead with the 'kidnapper' on tv

LE saw the monster, casey A....uh huh, uh huh, yeah Im lying, uh huh....I wonder how many people really grasp the enormity of that situation: coming face to face with a monster and not wanting to blow the case...

most people have listened to the interviews......as she giggled along with the detective ooooooooo yes the chairs are uncomfortable....Casey imitating the detective.....he's jovial, she's jovial...

and the cowboy still drawls on....makes me ill that people are conned so easily and that the media would even court his presence.

check the wind and webb postings and you will see which way Lenny bends each day.......

LE must feel extremely compromised by what LP had unleashed...man-hours in that community, the unending calls....not to mention the community is not able to live peacefully because of LP...

it started with him and it will became all the new rave to bail out child killer suspects....if it smells like money....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Takotna]

Here's more:
Implications of no empathy and no fear

Sociopaths do not feel empathy. As Dr. Liane Leedom and other experts have written, they also do not feel fear. Empathy and fear are the basic components of remorse and guilt—so sociopaths don’t feel those emotions, either.

What does all this mean? Sociopaths do not really care about people. They do not feel obliged to comply with society’s rules. They cannot be trusted to “do the right thing.” They have no morals.

That—in all its emptiness—is the true nature of a sociopath.
http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2007/09/02/what-is-a-sociopath-feeling/

Thanks Barskin - I'd forgotten about that site. :)

[impartial]

This is it in a nutshell. And for those of you who have never known one, good for you. I applaude you. For those that DO know people like this; It's something you never forget. Once you see it; know it...then you see it in others when presenst. For me it's as simple as that. Thanks for the link and nite again. Swear, Im outta here now :D Lets not forget, about the memorial Tattoo that Casey got afterwards: BellaVita (beautiful life) Tell me that was not a memorial to Caylees Short Beautiful Life? I dont believe this child had a normal beautiful life. I will never believe that. If she is alive, this family will never get her back. The State will step in and do whats right for Caylee, and will protect her this time. If ever given the chance, Im sure of that.

I have never known a sociopath, only a pathological liar.

I've had cases with psychopaths though. One was only 7 years old, and he had already tried to kill his baby sister (set her crib on fire) and his grandmother (tried to smother her with a pillow).


IMO

[Pruddennce]

She's been lying for years ... not just about this situation. She is a pathological liar. Have you ever known one? I have ... they will tell you they had chicken for dinner when they had pasta ... there is no rhyme or reason for their lies.

And they don't think beyond the lie at that moment. It's a very strange processing.

IMO

you are so right impartial....they have zero capacity to 'imagine' the future....meaning ten minutes later, or ten hours.

best regards,
Pru

[barskin&co.]

She's been lying for years ... not just about this situation. She is a pathological liar. Have you ever known one? I have ... they will tell you they had chicken for dinner when they had pasta ... there is no rhyme or reason for their lies.

And they don't think beyond the lie at that moment. It's a very strange processing.

IMO

She was lying for a purpose there. I think you are away off base with your "traumatic amnesia" theory. She didn't suffer any trauma. She didn't forget she had a daughter for the month between June 16 and July 15. She just didn't care.

[need2no]

Who is WW and SK? I am a few days behind on some things. :)

Thanks

Caylee:rose:

William Waters jail visit scheduled for 7/29 and Stefany Kostakis' visit was scheduled for 08/3.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I have to go to bed NOW lol but felt i needed to reply to impartial's post first.

My S/O and I just discussed this. Casey wasn't and doesn't think beyond the LIE itself. That I agree with.

Night all :seeya:

[impartial]

She was lying for a purpose there. I think you are away off base with your "traumatic amnesia" theory. She didn't suffer any trauma. She didn't forget she had a daughter for the month between June 16 and July 15. She just didn't care.

I think you may have misunderstood me.

When I say traumatic amnesia ... the traumatic event could be murdering her daughter.

IMO

[need2no]

Who was the guy that his visit with her was recorded? I can't remember his name ... he mentioned something about Mike, IIRC.


Are you talking about Patrick Bourgeous (sp?) ?

It has been stated over and over that William and Patrick went to school with Casey, but neither of them show up on the Colonial High list we've seen.

[5boxersmom]

William Waters jail visit scheduled for 7/29 and Stefany Kostakis' visit was scheduled for 08/3.

TY. Everyday new names get added to the mystery.

The guy on the tape at the jail was Patrick something. I think his last name started with a B didn't it?


Caylee:rose:

[Cury-us Coyote]

:shrug:


Hey CuC...even though WW's scheduled visit was prior to Casey's decision on 7/31 to only allow family to visit, I do not recall anything ever being stated about WW seeing Casey on 7/29, or SK being allowed to visit on 8/3.

The article mentions friendS visits were cancelled but the intent was there. Curious connection, IMO.

[barskin&co.]

I think you may have misunderstood me.

When I say traumatic amnesia ... the traumatic event could be murdering her daughter.

IMO

I stll don't agree with you. I don't think muderring her daughter would have caused her any trauma.

[impartial]

Are you talking about Patrick Bourgeous (sp?) ?

It has been stated over and over that William and Patrick went to school with Casey, but neither of them show up on the Colonial High list we've seen.


That's the guy. That was a strange visit.

IMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Who was the guy that his visit with her was recorded? I can't remember his name ... he mentioned something about Mike, IIRC.

Patrick Bourgeois

[Takotna]

I am scared. What if JB uses the insanity plea for Casey? OMG i hate to even think about that happening. JMO

For the 'Mother of the Year'? I don't think so. (I'm no expert) Cindy intimated Casey had some kind of treatment when she said Casey was never diagnosed (bond hearing). I wouldn't think they could claim chronic mental health issues because there doesn't appear to be a documented history. I suppose they could claim a sudden psychotic break or something - Someone with more expertise would have to answer that.

Just because a person is NPD/psychotic/sociopath doesn't mean they are unaware of rules and consequences. They think the rules don't apply to them, they think they won't get caught.

The link Barskin posted a bit up thread is a good resource on this.

AllMO:)

[5boxersmom]

She was lying for a purpose there. I think you are away off base with your "traumatic amnesia" theory. She didn't suffer any trauma. She didn't forget she had a daughter for the month between June 16 and July 15. She just didn't care.


Heck she couldn't even get the date right. Wouldn't you remember the traumatic event by the date? I remember what day my mom died and both of my grandmothers. :shrug:

I cringe when I hear her tell the detectives June 9th. And also by that time the 30 day script was up so why did she keep up the lie? Shameful I tell ya.

jmo

[need2no]

The article mentions friendS visits were cancelled but the intent was there. Curious connection, IMO.


Verrrrrryyyyy curious.


Do you have the Colonial High link handy by chance? TIA!

[rj1212]

I stll don't agree with you. I don't think muderring her daughter would have caused her any trauma.

"Convenient amnesia" seems to be the fitting term here...IMO

[5boxersmom]

William Waters jail visit scheduled for 7/29 and Stefany Kostakis' visit was scheduled for 08/3.


Does anyone know anything about these two?

Caylee:rose:

[WillowInFlight]

That's the guy. That was a strange visit.

IMO

Is he the one she didn't remember until after he left? I wonder what the purpose of the visit was.

[Moonkatt]

Who was the guy that his visit with her was recorded? I can't remember his name ... he mentioned something about Mike, IIRC.

That was Patrick Borgeouise (sp) who supposedly only knew Casey from high school. The video is still on the links thread. He seemed to tell her it was "ok to talk," and that she had a "friend out there," and I still think Mike Walker removed the remains from the trunk and took them to the final resting place. This Patrick made sure to say hello from Mike. I know this seems like a dumb idea or we would have heard more about it. Just a gut feeling of mine.

I think Casey [I]could[I] do the 'disposal' herself but somehow involved some other loser to complete the task to help her detach from it all more quickly and enable her to utter one truth "I absolutely do not know where Caylee is." I know it's a stretch. I remember when this case broke and we all started posting and I looked at all links until I clicked on one about Mike Walker--it was either a Myspace or such but it was noted how he was known for cruelty to animals and to me that is a disturbing and depressing thing.

[need2no]

That's the guy. That was a strange visit.

IMO


Indeed...I hope LE has checked him out.

[impartial]

I stll don't agree with you. I don't think muderring her daughter would have caused her any trauma.


I don't know if I agree with myself ;)

But, extreme rage can cause a black out, and so can trauma, even self-induced trauma.

IMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

I stll don't agree with you. I don't think muderring her daughter would have caused her any trauma.


I'm supposed to be going to bed but you peeps keep posting point I want to address. LOl

I don't think she was traumatised by anything at all. She is what she is and she lies because she can and does. She focuses on the lie no matter what. That seems more cold and calous than trauma.

Casey Anthony doesn't see anything beyond her lies and thats because she has done so for many years. She's a liar who has just be caught to the point she now has to be accountable for those lies unlike before any time in her life.

My opinion

NOW I must go to bed or you peeps will keep me up all night. :seeya:

[OneUp]

you are so right impartial....they have zero capacity to 'imagine' the future....meaning ten minutes later, or ten hours.

best regards,
PruYes, Impulse driven...If you think of the state of their behavior and mind as being like that of a small child, it simplifies the "why" of some behaviors. Small children do not have an awareness of the needs of others, of even of others as truely dimensional beings. We are like toys in the world of a small child, there to do for them, give to them, play with them, and be ignored if no longer needed, all as it should be for a little one until they grow older. The world of a small one does revolve around the desire to immediately fufill ther own needs, and the belief that others exist solely to fulfill their needs...there is no understanding of future or of consequences in relation to action.
A normal two year old will outgrow his selfish ways and develop a conscience and respect for the law and authority. In effect, a Sociopath remains developmentally age two in the area of conscienceand other awareness. If you understand the limits of a normal toddlers behavior and understanding, you can "get" how a sociopaths mind works to a degree.
Take that toddler level of comprehension of other people, juvenile level self control, no understanding of cause/effect in behavior, and place it in a body with adult intelligence and freedoms...it is a terrible combination resulting in selfish and often cruel & destructive behavior.
JMO.

[need2no]

I don't know if I agree with myself ;)

But, extreme rage can cause a black out, and so can trauma, even self-induced trauma.

IMO

But if Casey suffered a traumatic black out wouldn't she just state she didn't know what happened to her daughter, and say the last time she remembered seeing her was on ___________ at ___________?

[WillowInFlight]

That was Patrick Borgeouise (sp) who supposedly only knew Casey from high school. The video is still on the links thread. He seemed to tell her it was "ok to talk," and that she had a "friend out there," and I still think Mike Walker removed the remains from the trunk and took them to the final resting place. This Patrick made sure to say hello from Mike. I know this seems like a dumb idea or we would have heard more about it. Just a gut feeling of mine.

I think Casey [I]could[I] do the 'disposal' herself but somehow involved some other loser to complete the task to help her detach from it all more quickly and enable her to utter one truth "I absolutely do not know where Caylee is." I know it's a stretch. I remember when this case broke and we all started posting and I looked at all links until I clicked on one about Mike Walker--it was either a Myspace or such but it was noted how he was known for cruelty to animals and to me that is a disturbing and depressing thing.

You may have a valid point, she may know Caylee is dead but not know where the body is. I don't see her having a problem involving someone else, and if she did I wonder what the pay off was.

[WillowInFlight]

But if Casey suffered a traumatic black out wouldn't she just state she didn't know what happened to her daughter, and say the last time she remembered seeing her was on ___________ at ___________?

Remember early on George was spewing that Casey couldn't remember and thats when all the speculation about drugs was being posted. I just don't buy it though.

[need2no]

You may have a valid point, she may know Caylee is dead but not know where the body is. I don't see her having a problem involving someone else, and if she did I wonder what the pay off was.

2 guesses, and the 1st 2 don't count. :biggrin:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Verrrrrryyyyy curious.


Do you have the Colonial High link handy by chance? TIA!

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/

Checking other classes?

[5boxersmom]

Yes, Impulse driven...If you think of the state of their behavior and mind as being like that of a small child, it simplifies the "why" of some behaviors. Small children do not have an awareness of the needs of others, of even of others as truely dimensional beings. We are like toys in the world of a small child, there to do for them, give to them, play with them, and be ignored if no longer needed, all as it should be for a little one until they grow older. The world of a small one does revolve around the desire to immediately fufill ther own needs, and the belief that others exist solely to fulfill their needs...there is no understanding of future or of consequences in relation to action.
A normal two year old will outgrow his selfish ways and develop a conscience and respect for the law and authority. In effect, a Sociopath remains developmentally age two in the area of conscienceand other awareness. If you understand the limits of a normal toddlers behavior and understanding, you can "get" how a sociopaths mind works to a degree.
Take that toddler level of comprehension of other people, juvenile level self control, no understanding of cause/effect in behavior, and place it in a body with adult intelligence and freedoms...it is a terrible combination resulting in selfish and often cruel & destructive behavior.
JMO.


Could that be why she seems to act like a 12 year old at times and her parents seem to treat her that way also?

jmo

[need2no]

Remember early on George was spewing that Casey couldn't remember and thats when all the speculation about drugs was being posted. I just don't buy it though.


Me either...

[Oregongal]

Oregongal, Hope you and your grandson are feeling better, Take care of those teeth, I swear that is the worst pain in the world.

BTW Cindy said she lost 29 pounds due to all the stress she has been under, so today it was all about Cindy. She did an interview on a spanish speaking channel because she thinks Caylee might be in PR. Even though she said she was spotted in Florida last week:rolleyes:

Thank you darlin.
Will add my :rolleyes: to that about Cindy.
I don't really care if she's lost weight, been under all this stress. I care about Caylee and I want to puke when I hear any of the family speaking of how they are suffering.
There is a baby missing. A baby that was not reported missing for 31 days and by all the evidence says she has been dumped and has been rotting away all this time.
It makes me sick to hear this from them. How dare they speak these things to the public!
I have observed many families have gone thru the horror of a missing, presumably dead child thru the news and MB's. Yes, the stress is unbearable, the inability to eat and sleep is part of it. But, I've never seen this crying about it to the public from those families. Their only focus has been their child, not their suffering. I've seen moms and dads refusing to answer questions on how they are doing to bring the focus back on their child.
I'm beginning to see where Casey's narcissim came from...her own mother.
Sorry for the rant, this news of Cindy saying how much weight she's lost hit my anger button.
She could probably end this by getting hold of her own daughter and smacking the living sh** out her until she told the truth. And if that didn't bring the truth out, she could easily say, I don't want her in my house, take her away. Put her back in jail.
I understand her loving her daughter, I understand her wanting to protect her...to a point. If Casey was my DD, I would still love her, I would support her as I could, but I would NEVER stand for her lying, I would NEVER protect her from the consequences of anything she had done wrong. Especially if concerned my grandchild. Especially if it concerned the fact that my grandchild may be dead at her hands.
Again, sorry, when I don't feel good, I tend to get a bit testy. Good thing we don't have middle finger icon, because that's what I feel like flipping to the whole Anthony family right now.
For Caylee Marie, who seems to not have anyone but people who have never met her loving her and standing up for her
:rose:

[need2no]

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/

Checking other classes?


Thank-you...yes I thought I would just in case they weren't in the same graduating class. BTW-have you already checked this out before I waste my time. :D

[Oregongal]

:seeya: JUST got power back this eve! What a mess THAT was! Glad to see that you are are okay and hope that all with our Ohioans and neighboring states are fine as well.

ITA. There has been nothing about this little one from any of them and if what we hear is correct and they are collecting "blood money" then I hope they burn in he77 right along with the ice princess that they created.

What a sad shame this has all been. I see where Casey seems to be able to afford and change her celeb sub glasses quite often. And for her to wear Rosary beads just REALLY get under my skin. I am shocked that they are not burning through HER skin with all that evil she carries around. She gives me chills.

The Casey Anthony's of this world are the ones to be VERY VERY afraid of! They have no conscience, no feelings, no sense of remorse for anything that they have done. It seems to be someone else's fault for anything wrong that they do. There are no tears, no sweating, no nothing. Just plain coldness that can be felt all over the world on those that have followed this case.

She is pure evil and I for one, am glad that she is not here in Ohio anymore. She is a walking lunatic and would stop at nothing to get what she wanted day after day.

She is a complete and true nightmare. SHIVER!!!!!

So VERY glad to know you are ok Spirit!!!
And ITA with your post!!!

[OneUp]

That was Patrick Borgeouise (sp) who supposedly only knew Casey from high school. The video is still on the links thread. He seemed to tell her it was "ok to talk," and that she had a "friend out there," and I still think Mike Walker removed the remains from the trunk and took them to the final resting place. This Patrick made sure to say hello from Mike. I know this seems like a dumb idea or we would have heard more about it. Just a gut feeling of mine.

I think Casey [I]could[I] do the 'disposal' herself but somehow involved some other loser to complete the task to help her detach from it all more quickly and enable her to utter one truth "I absolutely do not know where Caylee is." I know it's a stretch. I remember when this case broke and we all started posting and I looked at all links until I clicked on one about Mike Walker--it was either a Myspace or such but it was noted how he was known for cruelty to animals and to me that is a disturbing and depressing thing.I haven't given much thought one way or the other to Casey having an outside accomplice. But if anyone would be able to persuade a man to do something like this for her...it would be a woman like Casey. I believe she would go to any lengths to manipulate someone, we can see that she can manipulate men with some skill. The visitor in jail ( Patrick?) honestly struck me as a bit of a dork and a loser ( in young adult parlance...sorry to use such words). If she were to pick a man to help, she would be likely to pick one she felt would be grateful to have her...someone who would think Casey out of his league normally. That would give her the most power over him, especially if he had known her and secretly wanted to be with her for a long while...i.e. since H.S. Patrick would fit this bill to a cursory glance anyway. A man like that would want her badly enough to do whatever, and then fear "losing" her if he ever betrayed her "trust".
If I were LE looking for an accomplice, I would go that route to find one.
JMO.

[Pruddennce]

I think you may have misunderstood me.

When I say traumatic amnesia ... the traumatic event could be murdering her daughter.

IMO


I understood your meaning.....she simply lies. period. for inconsequential every day things, or something as significant as murder...its the same behaviour....for everything....

sure as barskin stated she had a reason for this lie, after all, she was the last person with Caylee, per witnesses....but IMO she doesnt need a 'reason' to lie....she just lies....its her nature.

no one will ever know what happened to caylee...IMO

her story is what it is...just like she attended college, had an office, cell phones provided by the company, reported the stolen phone to the company, yeah I lied, and?

......here's my next lie......

oh, I lied yet again....let me try this again...

I dont know where Caylee is.....

that's the truth....

it all blends for her.....nothing connects to the listener, but in her mind, once its spoken, she connects...in the moment.....and moves on....

isnt there a new story now....the park? or is that a lenny-ism thought provoking theory?

I dont pay attention to him....thats why I ask...I thought I read it here on the boards?

best regards,
Pru

[Cury-us Coyote]

Thank-you...yes I thought I would just in case they weren't in the same graduating class. BTW-have you already checked this out before I waste my time. :D


I have not checked but wondered if the MySpace connections pre-dated the July timeperiod or if the link was a result.

[Oregongal]

OG My Bud! Am sorry you feel so rotten. I hope you get some antibiotics for your tooth, that can be a nightmare. I had a root abcess once, and thought I would die. Have to have Amoxi for that mess. Actually had to have the tooth itself, packed with antibiotics, for good measure. Oh the horror. But it did work. OG I am going to list this link. Im tired too and I've got to go up and try to sleep. Cindy released some plea to find Caylee in Spanish today for a TX network, claiming that Caylee was alive. Sound Familiar? LE is in CA, to intv the Ex Con Padilla, who cnn continues to use on their nightly show as an inside source on this case. Bizarre. On the way to 29 Palms to intv Marine. I think the phone records show long conversations. Worth flying all the way to CA for. Just my short 2c. Im sorry its not more but here is a great source with all the video links, daily news etc. I like this link: http://www.local6.com/video/17383884/index.html And guess what Good news in another case, found alive: http://www.newser.com/story/37602/ferry-workers-rescue-missing-teacher-in-water.html

Thank jenny!!! I will check this out. And thank you for for the GOOD NEWS link about the teacher.
:seeya:

[tiny paw-prints]

I agee, she doesn't think anything will happen to her because she has never had to pay for her sins before, Cindy and George always covered for her IMO. I listen to the tapes and she is so void of emotion, but then I think back on the pictures of her and Caylee and she looked so happy with her.:shrug:

ITA, that Casey was void of emotions during the process of interrogation. However, she did not appear to be void of emotions during the bond hearing at the time GA testified. I wonder why?

[5boxersmom]

I just saw that there was 3 Baez's in her class. hmmmm:read:


Caylee:rose:

[panokatana]

Listening to the tapes again, during NG...and something else seemed to stand out to me...
Casey says (paraphrased): "(Zanny) said she loved her and was proud of how she was being raised."

That is certainly a deeply personal statement coming from a Nanny, IMO. I mean...it would seem that "She's such a wonderful little girl, you are doing a fine job raising her." Sounds more along the lines of what one would expect a babysitter to say. But the word "PROUD"...might be reserved for someone close...like a MOTHER. I felt that it was Casey's way of communicating that she wished her mother had said these words. So she projected them onto an imaginary caregiver. Zanny, (up until the point she became disposable, and a kidnapper) with a statement like this...seems to be Casey's caregiver, too. JMO, of course.

Also...speaking of disposable... Baez is in his element now. Embracing the Anthony's, being embraced...but he should be aware...that...if things do not turn out well for his client, and she is whisked off to jail...and not on a WHIM this time... they could shift all the blame to him. "Poor Casey had such bad legal representation. He was not an experienced criminal attorney. He TOLD Casey not to talk, she wanted to. She was giving clues to the world. What do you think that High Five was? She was begging America to check out Highway Five! It's his fault she is in prison."

He should just be careful trusting them...to do right by him if, in the end, they do not get what they want.

JMO, as always

[impartial]

I understood your meaning.....she simply lies. period. for inconsequential every day things, or something as significant as murder...its the same behaviour....for everything....

sure as barskin stated she had a reason for this lie, after all, she was the last person with Caylee, per witnesses....but IMO she doesnt need a 'reason' to lie....she just lies....its her nature.

no one will ever know what happened to caylee...IMO

her story is what it is...just like she attended college, had an office, cell phones provided by the company, reported the stolen phone to the company, yeah I lied, and?

......here's my next lie......

oh, I lied yet again....let me try this again...

I dont know where Caylee is.....

that's the truth....

it all blends for her.....nothing connects to the listener, but in her mind, once its spoken, she connects...in the moment.....and moves on....

isnt there a new story now....the park? or is that a lenny-ism thought provoking theory?

I dont pay attention to him....thats why I ask...I thought I read it here on the boards?

best regards,
Pru



The only one that has said anything about a new story is Lenny ... but he also said she never spoke to him about the case. Supposedly, she spoke to the younger guy that was with him ... I don't listen to LP, I think he's upset that he didn't get to sit down and have a chit chat with her, so he could be the one that "broke" the case.

IMO

[WillowInFlight]

ITA, that Casey was void of emotions during the process of interrogation. However, she did not appear to be void of emotions during the bond hearing at the time GA testified. I wonder why?

I do also, specially since she told LE it was Cindy she was terrified of.

[tiny paw-prints]

Verrrrrryyyyy curious.


Do you have the Colonial High link handy by chance? TIA!

CHS Alumni

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

[Pruddennce]

I don't know if I agree with myself ;)

But, extreme rage can cause a black out, and so can trauma, even self-induced trauma.

IMO

well, I must disagree with you here impartial. IMO casey knows exactly what she did, where she did it, how it happened, and what she did afterwards.

and she doesnt care. she has her story, its pretty good she thought, and has moved on. even when confronted with her lies, she was uh huh...an unspoken 'what-ev-er'....

she doesnt have to tell another story ever again to LE.

the person whose head must be spinning is her lawyer.

I can just imagine the layers upon layers of new 'facts'......that dont connect and she just utters uh huh, mmm, uh huh.

best regards,
Pru

[WillowInFlight]

The only one that has said anything about a new story is Lenny ... but he also said she never spoke to him about the case. Supposedly, she spoke to the younger guy that was with him ... I don't listen to LP, I think he's upset that he didn't get to sit down and have a chit chat with her, so he could be the one that "broke" the case.

IMO

I know right, he swore on NG that he was going to bring that baby home, looks like he went home with his tail between his legs.

[Pruddennce]

The only one that has said anything about a new story is Lenny ... but he also said she never spoke to him about the case. Supposedly, she spoke to the younger guy that was with him ... I don't listen to LP, I think he's upset that he didn't get to sit down and have a chit chat with her, so he could be the one that "broke" the case.

IMO

thank you impartial....I just read a few things here on the board and thought I missed something in the news reporting.

best regards,
Pru

[need2no]

Thank you darlin.
Will add my :rolleyes: to that about Cindy.
I don't really care if she's lost weight, been under all this stress. I care about Caylee and I want to puke when I hear any of the family speaking of how they are suffering.
There is a baby missing. A baby that was not reported missing for 31 days and by all the evidence says she has been dumped and has been rotting away all this time.
It makes me sick to hear this from them. How dare they speak these things to the public!
I have observed many families have gone thru the horror of a missing, presumably dead child thru the news and MB's. Yes, the stress is unbearable, the inability to eat and sleep is part of it. But, I've never seen this crying about it to the public from those families. Their only focus has been their child, not their suffering. I've seen moms and dads refusing to answer questions on how they are doing to bring the focus back on their child.
I'm beginning to see where Casey's narcissim came from...her own mother.
Sorry for the rant, this news of Cindy saying how much weight she's lost hit my anger button.
She could probably end this by getting hold of her own daughter and smacking the living sh** out her until she told the truth. And if that didn't bring the truth out, she could easily say, I don't want her in my house, take her away. Put her back in jail.
I understand her loving her daughter, I understand her wanting to protect her...to a point. If Casey was my DD, I would still love her, I would support her as I could, but I would NEVER stand for her lying, I would NEVER protect her from the consequences of anything she had done wrong. Especially if concerned my grandchild. Especially if it concerned the fact that my grandchild may be dead at her hands.
Again, sorry, when I don't feel good, I tend to get a bit testy. Good thing we don't have middle finger icon, because that's what I feel like flipping to the whole Anthony family right now.
For Caylee Marie, who seems to not have anyone but people who have never met her loving her and standing up for her
:rose:

:seeya:OG...I wondered where you have been. So sorry to hear the 2 of you are under the weather. Wal-mart has a great OTC med that actually works on tooth pain...I think it's called Orudis and it is reasonably priced.

I agree with you...couldn't stop loving my child but I do think I'd somehow feel different/distant toward her knowing she murdered her child/my grandchild rather than coming to me to ask for help, and forgiveness would be tough. And like you I would expect her to pay the price for her horrendus act.

I'm really fed up with this whole outradgeous situation...today someone discovered Caylee bracelets and t-shirts being sold on EBAY. Seems everything in life boils down to MONEY....so sad.

Hope y'all feel better soon!

[need2no]

I know right, he swore on NG that he was going to bring that baby home, looks like he went home with his tail between his legs.


Unfortunately it didn't plug up his mouth.....

[5boxersmom]

Listening to the tapes again, during NG...and something else seemed to stand out to me...
Casey says (paraphrased): "(Zanny) said she loved her and was proud of how she was being raised."

That is certainly a deeply personal statement coming from a Nanny, IMO. I mean...it would seem that "She's such a wonderful little girl, you are doing a fine job raising her." Sounds more along the lines of what one would expect a babysitter to say. But the word "PROUD"...might be reserved for someone close...like a MOTHER. I felt that it was Casey's way of communicating that she wished her mother had said these words. So she projected them onto an imaginary caregiver. Zanny, (up until the point she became disposable, and a kidnapper) with a statement like this...seems to be Casey's caregiver, too. JMO, of course.

Also...speaking of disposable... Baez is in his element now. Embracing the Anthony's, being embraced...but he should be aware...that...if things do not turn out well for his client, and she is whisked off to jail...and not on a WHIM this time... they could shift all the blame to him. "Poor Casey had such bad legal representation. He was not an experienced criminal attorney. He TOLD Casey not to talk, she wanted to. She was giving clues to the world. What do you think that High Five was? She was begging America to check out Highway Five! It's his fault she is in prison."

He should just be careful trusting them...to do right by him if, in the end, they do not get what they want.

JMO, as always

ITA. I wondered if Casey ever knew a ZG that could have died. Maybe a school teacher or someone who worked at her school. Or church, library. Someone she dreamed her mother was like when she was growing up. I did search The Church of Latter Day Saints site and there are a few ZG's that died in FL.

I agree about Baez too. They will turn on him in a minute if need be.

jmo

Caylee:rose:

[Takotna]

That was Patrick Borgeouise (sp) who supposedly only knew Casey from high school. The video is still on the links thread. He seemed to tell her it was "ok to talk," and that she had a "friend out there," and I still think Mike Walker removed the remains from the trunk and took them to the final resting place. This Patrick made sure to say hello from Mike. I know this seems like a dumb idea or we would have heard more about it. Just a gut feeling of mine.

I think Casey [I]could[I] do the 'disposal' herself but somehow involved some other loser to complete the task to help her detach from it all more quickly and enable her to utter one truth "I absolutely do not know where Caylee is." I know it's a stretch. I remember when this case broke and we all started posting and I looked at all links until I clicked on one about Mike Walker--it was either a Myspace or such but it was noted how he was known for cruelty to animals and to me that is a disturbing and depressing thing.

Is this the same Mike that Casey wanted to talk to when she was first in jail? In the phone call with Kristina Casey asks for TonE's number and then says "I wanted to actually try and call Mike" - It's a bit odd we haven't heard more about this guy?:shrug:


ALLMO:)

[Pruddennce]

Yes, Impulse driven...If you think of the state of their behavior and mind as being like that of a small child, it simplifies the "why" of some behaviors. Small children do not have an awareness of the needs of others, of even of others as truely dimensional beings. We are like toys in the world of a small child, there to do for them, give to them, play with them, and be ignored if no longer needed, all as it should be for a little one until they grow older. The world of a small one does revolve around the desire to immediately fufill ther own needs, and the belief that others exist solely to fulfill their needs...there is no understanding of future or of consequences in relation to action.
A normal two year old will outgrow his selfish ways and develop a conscience and respect for the law and authority. In effect, a Sociopath remains developmentally age two in the area of conscienceand other awareness. If you understand the limits of a normal toddlers behavior and understanding, you can "get" how a sociopaths mind works to a degree.
Take that toddler level of comprehension of other people, juvenile level self control, no understanding of cause/effect in behavior, and place it in a body with adult intelligence and freedoms...it is a terrible combination resulting in selfish and often cruel & destructive behavior.
JMO.

excellent. Oneup.

best regards,
Pru

[Cury-us Coyote]

well, I must disagree with you here impartial. IMO casey knows exactly what she did, where she did it, how it happened, and what she did afterwards.

and she doesnt care. she has her story, its pretty good she thought, and has moved on. even when confronted with her lies, she was uh huh...an unspoken 'what-ev-er'....

she doesnt have to tell another story ever again to LE.

the person whose head must be spinning is her lawyer.

I can just imagine the layers upon layers of new 'facts'......that dont connect and she just utters uh huh, mmm, uh huh.

best regards,
Pru

On occasion there could be some profanity added between the un huhs.
jmo

[OneUp]

Could that be why she seems to act like a 12 year old at times and her parents seem to treat her that way also?

jmoI think that is possibly arrested development myself, and probably a tool of manipulation that has worked for years with her parents. When a parent sees their child as young, naive, and vulnerable, they will give them leeway and offer protection that they might not afford a "normal" acting young adult. The perception of need and vulnerability is the key...not any actual presence of either.
Though a childlike comprehension of punishment and responsibility is part of Sociopathy, many Sociopaths are indistinguishable from their normal peers to most people and act "adult" in most obvious ways.
JMO, simplified.
I better stop though, when I get tired I start to write things that make little sense to me later, LOL. My whole family gets dullwitted when sleepy, we don't do New Years Celebrations...no one would be functional much past midnight anyway.:)

[kjt200]

I worry about this case. I worry quite a bit. My worry has now taken on an additional worry. It's about the wider implications.

If Casey gets off with a child neglect conviction on this thing, think of the lesson she will be teaching others. Just stay under the radar. Just lie and lie and lie. Obstruct justice all the way down the road because as they say...........................no body..............no case...................

This won't be the only freak show we will see if she gets away with only child neglect. She will teach others how to do it as well.

This worries me.

My own opinion of course

[need2no]

I just saw that there was 3 Baez's in her class. hmmmm:read:


Caylee:rose:


IIRC Casey went to school with one of Jose Baez's daughters, and she currently is employed in Baez's office. I would imagine this is how some of Casey's time is spent when she is at his office for 6-7 hours.

[OneUp]

I just saw that there was 3 Baez's in her class. hmmmm:read:


Caylee:rose:Really? I never thought to check that. Maybe she just got her referral to him simply because she knew someone whose relative was a lawyer.
JMO.

[5boxersmom]

I know right, he swore on NG that he was going to bring that baby home, looks like he went home with his tail between his legs.

I think these men think they are going to break her and instead she breaks them.

jmo


Caylee:rose:

[Pruddennce]

On occasion there could be some profanity added between the un huhs.
jmo

no doubt....she's all comfy cozy and is probably having a sense of entitlement AND encouragement...go on honey, its ok, you can swear...

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[armywife1998]

I swore I would never be on another kid board. Not after Trenton. Caylee tugs my heart

This is from many, many pages back but I relate to it so wanted to comment. I swore to myself that I'd never get *this* involved in another missing child case after Laci & Conner and of course Trenton. I initially laid low w/ this case because my youngest daughter (7) looks exactly like Caylee, with the exception of eye & hair color. They have the same big beautiful eyes, the same facial features, same length hair, same smile...and it absolutely destroyed me when I saw pictures because every time I see Caylee, I see my daughter. I don't want to say I regret following this case because I don't, but it's very, very painful and I just want to see precious Caylee laid to rest and those involved punished.

For sweet Caylee :rose::rose:

[Pruddennce]

I will say this: I believe the reporting of the stolen gas was not on the up and up.

best regards,
Pru

[5boxersmom]

I think that is possibly arrested development myself, and probably a tool of manipulation that has worked for years with her parents. When a parent sees their child as young, naive, and vulnerable, they will give them leeway and offer protection that they might not afford a "normal" acting young adult. The perception of need and vulnerability is the key...not any actual presence of either.
Though a childlike comprehension of punishment and responsibility is part of Sociopathy, many Sociopaths are indistinguishable from their normal peers to most people and act "adult" in most obvious ways.
JMO, simplified.
I better stop though, when I get tired I start to write things that make little sense to me later, LOL. My whole family gets dullwitted when sleepy, we don't do New Years Celebrations...no one would be functional much past midnight anyway.:)


I understand ya. :)

To me she just acted and looked like a kid when she waved good bye leaving the court room that day. Then with her backpack going to the lawyers.
The way Cindy talks to her. Sweetheart and all of that. Like she is so sweet and innocent. Makes me sick.

jmo

[WillowInFlight]

I think these men think they are going to break her and instead she breaks them.

jmo


Caylee:rose:

ITA, and now Lenny has all this info he wants to share. I'm still waiting for the news he promised us that would rock the world. Supposedly news that George, Cindy and Lee already know.

[OneUp]

excellent. Oneup.

best regards,
Pru;)
TY Pru.
It's been a while, but my most specialzed education and training is in Abnormal Juvenile Psych./Soc.
I enjoyed pursuing my Early Childhood education degree the most though. Who wouldn't like learning about and working with the little ones?
I find that what I learned in those classses often assists me in dealing with adults. We all have our childish aspects.
Regards right back Pru.
I'm with you regarding no Traumatic Blackout...IMO it just doesn't apply here. I see this as very simple. Casey wanted X and Caylee created a problem with attainiing X and was therefore eliminated.
Now what X represents could be a multitude of things from permanent freedom, to peace and quiet in the moment, to revenge on Cindy for upsetting Casey, to jealousy over Cindy's affections. I KNOW from experience that it really can be that terribly simple.
JMO.

[JainDough]

valium, xanax, ativan are highly addictive drugs...should be used for short term use only...

These drugs can also cause seizures in people who have taken them long term and stop taking them abruptly. Didn't Casey suffer a seizure at one time?

[impartial]

well, I must disagree with you here impartial. IMO casey knows exactly what she did, where she did it, how it happened, and what she did afterwards.

and she doesnt care. she has her story, its pretty good she thought, and has moved on. even when confronted with her lies, she was uh huh...an unspoken 'what-ev-er'....

she doesnt have to tell another story ever again to LE.

the person whose head must be spinning is her lawyer.

I can just imagine the layers upon layers of new 'facts'......that dont connect and she just utters uh huh, mmm, uh huh.

best regards,
Pru


Tis okay ... like I said, I don't know if I agree with myself ... I didn't post I thought that's what happened, I merely posted it was something that I have wondered ... her demeanor perplexes me. Not the lies, I understand patho's; it's her seemingly uncaring for her own predicament what made me wonder if she really doesn't remember what happened ... whether that's because she was too drugged up, or blacked out from too much alcohol, or traumatic amnesia.

Richard Ramirez, truly a sociopath and psychopath, still cared about his own skin when caught.

Just trying on some theories.

IMO

[nutterbutter]

I worry about this case. I worry quite a bit. My worry has now taken on an additional worry. It's about the wider implications.

If Casey gets off with a child neglect conviction on this thing, think of the lesson she will be teaching others. Just stay under the radar. Just lie and lie and lie. Obstruct justice all the way down the road because as they say...........................no body..............no case...................

This won't be the only freak show we will see if she gets away with only child neglect. She will teach others how to do it as well.

This worries me.

My own opinion of course
I do not know what the police have on there side but the one thing in their favor is time.I do not see Casey getting away with this forever.moo

[impartial]

I will say this: I believe the reporting of the stolen gas was not on the up and up.

best regards,
Pru



Who reports stolen gas cans?

[rj1212]

ITA, and now Lenny has all this info he wants to share. I'm still waiting for the news he promised us that would rock the world. Supposedly news that George, Cindy and Lee already know.


Was it supposed to be the chloraform??
:shrug:

I agree w/you...Lenny is the joke I initially thought he was...he shouldn't have been allowed to interfere the way he has...but it's JMO.

[5boxersmom]

ITA, and now Lenny has all this info he wants to share. I'm still waiting for the news he promised us that would rock the world. Supposedly news that George, Cindy and Lee already know.

Yeah what happen to that? Or was it about the chlorform?

[impartial]

ITA, and now Lenny has all this info he wants to share. I'm still waiting for the news he promised us that would rock the world. Supposedly news that George, Cindy and Lee already know.


I thought he left George out of that equation.

:shrug:

[Cury-us Coyote]

ITA, and now Lenny has all this info he wants to share. I'm still waiting for the news he promised us that would rock the world. Supposedly news that George, Cindy and Lee already know.

Don't worry Lenny will have a new story and a new toothpick (I hope) tomorrow. He always rocks my world.
jmo

[nutterbutter]

Who reports stolen gas cans?
nobody I have ever known.You know though that Anthony clan does not seem to be wrapped real tight.I would not want to see that family in over drive.moo

[WillowInFlight]

Was it supposed to be the chloraform??
:shrug:

I agree w/you...Lenny is the joke I initially thought he was...he shouldn't have been allowed to interfere the way he has...but it's JMO.

I don't know he never mentioned it again. And I agree with you, he is a joke.

[OneUp]

TY to all, I have enjoyed reading the posts tonight.
I wish we wouldn't have old news tomorrow, but instead news of an arrest...however, it is still early in this case, and given the month delay in presenting the case to LE, I know this one is likely to be a long haul. I can wait, as long as they get this one right. No loopholes, no tainted evidence.
I need to leave and pray while i still have the sense to do both.:)
Good Night!

[tiny paw-prints]

I will say this: I believe the reporting of the stolen gas was not on the up and up.

best regards,
Pru

I agree, Pru.

Do you recall what GA was testifying to during the bond hearing at the point Casey began to visibly cry? Was he testifying about the gas cans, or what?

[WillowInFlight]

I thought he left George out of that equation.

:shrug:

Did he? was it just Cindy and Lee, I might be having trouble keeping up with his "tune in tomorrow for a big leak" game.

[WillowInFlight]

TY to all, I have enjoyed reading the posts tonight.
I wish we wouldn't have old news tomorrow, but instead news of an arrest...however, it is still early in this case, and given the month delay in presenting the case to LE, I know this one is likely to be a long haul. I can wait, as long as they get this one right. No loopholes, no tainted evidence.
I need to leave and pray while i still have the sense to do both.:)
Good Night!

Good night OneUp, sleep well.

[need2no]

;)
TY Pru.
It's been a while, but my most specialzed education and training is in Abnormal Juvenile Psych./Soc.
I enjoyed pursuing my Early Childhood education degree the most though. Who wouldn't like learning about and working with the little ones?
I find that what I learned in those classses often assists me in dealing with adults. We all have our childish aspects.
Regards right back Pru.
I'm with you regarding no Traumatic Blackout...IMO it just doesn't apply here. I see this as very simple. Casey wanted X and Caylee created a problem with attainiing X and was therefore eliminated.
Now what X represents could be a multitude of things from permanent freedom, to peace and quiet in the moment, to revenge on Cindy for upsetting Casey, to jealousy over Cindy's affections. I KNOW from experience that it really can be that terribly simple.
JMO.

LOL...I thought you were going to bed. :)

Just wanted to say I enjoyed your well written post and I agree with your thoughts. A few years ago I had the trauma of having a 22 year old sociopath 'Casey' (and her baby daughter and SS) live in my home for a while and your description hits the nail on the head. My 'Casey' also had big time issues with her mother, but one thing I discovered is they had a love/hate relationship....couldn't live with her, couldn't live without her, butting heads one moment, rubbing each other psycho behavior the next. I'm still shakin my head at the awful experience and some of what I dealt with and observed...it was no picnic, and I never could wrap my head around the strange mother/daughter relationship. I swear these 2 (mother and daughter) so remind me of Casey and Cindy.

BTW-I once asked her mom if she had ever taken her for counseling...her response was she had but it didn't help a d*mn bit!
Pot><Kettle

[impartial]

Did he? was it just Cindy and Lee, I might be having trouble keeping up with his "tune in tomorrow for a big leak" game.


I know he left one of them out ... I think he included Casey and 2 others IIRC ... but it's late, and I may have traumatic amnesia :D

[tiny paw-prints]

ITA, and now Lenny has all this info he wants to share. I'm still waiting for the news he promised us that would rock the world. Supposedly news that George, Cindy and Lee already know.

I assumed it was the chloroform?

But whatever LP meant by "rock the world", he did say that George, Cindy and Lee had known about it since the prelim hearing.

So, what happened at the prelim hearing?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Tis okay ... like I said, I don't know if I agree with myself ... I didn't post I thought that's what happened, I merely posted it was something that I have wondered ... her demeanor perplexes me. Not the lies, I understand patho's; it's her seemingly uncaring for her own predicament what made me wonder if she really doesn't remember what happened ... whether that's because she was too drugged up, or blacked out from too much alcohol, or traumatic amnesia.

Richard Ramirez, truly a sociopath and psychopath, still cared about his own skin when caught.

Just trying on some theories.

IMO

Is multiple personalities a possibility? Maybe she thinks I'm not in any trouble that other girl caused all this. But when does the other identity resurface? Just talked myself out of that theory. Carry-on and ignore me.

[need2no]

Don't worry Lenny will have a new story and a new toothpick (I hope) tomorrow. He always rocks my world.
jmo

I think he knows that CuC...he stopped wearing the glasses just for you! :biggrin:

[5boxersmom]

You know when Lenny talks about the Anthony's I swear he gets Lee and George mixed up. I thought he said at first Lee was all for the lie detector and then changed his mind after talking to George then tonight he said Lee was against the Lie detector.

:shrug:

jmo

Caylee:rose:

[WillowInFlight]

I assumed it was the chloroform?

But whatever LP meant by "rock the world", he did say that George, Cindy and Lee had known about it since the prelim hearing.

So, what happened at the prelim hearing?

Darn I don't know, But with Casey's reaction when George was on the stand I wonder if the questions were getting close to something.

[impartial]

Is multiple personalities a possibility? Maybe she thinks I'm not in any trouble that other girl caused all this. But when does the other identity resurface? Just talked myself out of that theory. Carry-on and ignore me.



I would never ignore you ;)

Others have pondered multiple personalities ... I would love to see how her mental evals came out.

Have you checked out the OJ trial at all?

[need2no]

Who reports stolen gas cans?

:shrug:


Someone who wants to have written proof of a misdeed to hold over their daughter's head...to either obtain custody of their child, or threaten her with suing for custody of the child.

[Oregongal]

:seeya:OG...I wondered where you have been. So sorry to hear the 2 of you are under the weather. Wal-mart has a great OTC med that actually works on tooth pain...I think it's called Orudis and it is reasonably priced.

I agree with you...couldn't stop loving my child but I do think I'd somehow feel different/distant toward her knowing she murdered her child/my grandchild rather than coming to me to ask for help, and forgiveness would be tough. And like you I would expect her to pay the price for her horrendus act.

I'm really fed up with this whole outradgeous situation...today someone discovered Caylee bracelets and t-shirts being sold on EBAY. Seems everything in life boils down to MONEY....so sad.

Hope y'all feel better soon!

n2n!!
I'm here and thank you for the Orudis info, will hit Wally world tomorrow.
GS is actually feeling better. His mom got it after he did and she's feeling better too, I'm the last to get so will be the last to feel better.
As you can tell by my last post I am defininently fed up with the Anthony's. There are so many other families with missing children who would give anything to get the attention they are getting and they're not.
Oh, so now someone is making money on EBAY on Caylee's name. GRRRRR!!!!
How sick is that?!? I surely hope it isn't Casey or any Anthony.
Whoever it is sick in my mind but, if it were one of them......hammer
Thanks for the feel better wishes, I'm working on it.
:)

[Ionmhainn]

I think you may have misunderstood me.

When I say traumatic amnesia ... the traumatic event could be murdering her daughter.

IMO

When I listened to the tapes again on NG tonight, I wondered about that. Or rather, I asked myself "is it ...possible...that she really could have blocked it out of her mind?" I don't think that's beyond the realm of possibility. She does sometimes seem to be in a sort of mental "time warp." Even after admitting that she was not employed at Universal, she continues to talk about "work." Very strange.
mo

[need2no]

I would never ignore you ;)

Others have pondered multiple personalities ... I would love to see how her mental evals came out.

Have you checked out the OJ trial at all?

If the court ordered psy. dr. found Casey had any serious mental problems would she have been able to bond out of jail?

Suppose the eval revealed she had homicidal or suicidal tendencies?

[tiny paw-prints]

Darn I don't know, But with Casey's reaction when George was on the stand I wonder if the questions were getting close to something.

Does anyone have GA's transcript from the bond hearing, handy?

TIA

[5boxersmom]

Casey starts crying as soon as George takes the stand. His voice cracks at the beginning too.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7038761&version=1&locale=EN-US

Hope this works.

[WillowInFlight]

Casey starts crying as soon as George takes the stand. His voice cracks at the beginning too.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7038761&version=1&locale=EN-US

Hope this works.

All I got was a commercial for Fox35 10pm news cast.

[WillowInFlight]

Does anyone know how the gas can story ends? What happened after George found them, on the Greta interview it stops there.

Didn't he call LE and say he got them back and that he knew who took them, I'm unclear whether he told LE it was Casey though.

[need2no]

Does anyone know how the gas can story ends? What happened after George found them, on the Greta interview it stops there.

I suppose he took the cans and put them back in his shed after he retrieved them from Casey's car. Of course CSI later picked them up. According to Cindy LE wanted them because they discovered an unknown/unidentified fingerprint (s) on them, not anyone in their family....yeah right.

[5boxersmom]

All I got was a commercial for Fox35 10pm news cast.


It is after the commercial. Click play when you see George on the stand.

[WillowInFlight]

Casey starts crying as soon as George takes the stand. His voice cracks at the beginning too.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7038761&version=1&locale=EN-US

Hope this works.

Got it to work, THANKS

[5boxersmom]

Didn't he call LE and say he got them back and that he knew who took them, I'm unclear whether he told LE it was Casey though.

Didn't he say at first it was a neighbor?


Caylee:rose:

[tiny paw-prints]

When I listened to the tapes again on NG tonight, I wondered about that. Or rather, I asked myself "is it ...possible...that she really could have blocked it out of her mind?" I don't think that's beyond the realm of possibility. She does sometimes seem to be in a sort of mental "time warp." Even after admitting that she was not employed at Universal, she continues to talk about "work." Very strange.
mo

Casey at constant war with her mother, as well as an accidental death of her child? A combination of both?

Post tramatic disorder? Delayed stress syndrome?

[need2no]

Didn't he call LE and say he got them back and that he knew who took them, I'm unclear whether he told LE it was Casey though.


IIRC initially George said a neighbor had taken them, but later returned them.

[impartial]

If the court ordered psy. dr. found Casey had any serious mental problems would she have been able to bond out of jail?

Suppose the eval revealed she had homicidal or suicidal tendencies?


If she was exhibiting suicidal or homicidal ideation at the time of her eval, she could have bonded out, but they would have to put her on a 72 hour hold to be evaluated further at a mental facility ... 5150 here ... but I believe in Florida it is under the Baker Act.


IMO

[nutterbutter]

Didn't he say at first it was a neighbor?


Caylee:rose:
Yes he sure did.mo

[rj1212]

Does anyone know how the gas can story ends? What happened after George found them, on the Greta interview it stops there.


I don't know...but IIRC in the same Greta show you've got George in complete denial after watching Casey's Fusion pics which were after the time Caylee disappeared...George tried saying that those pics were of Casey WHEN SHE WAS PREGNANT WITH CAYLEE!!!:cuss:

Can we get real here? Here is Caylee MISSING and Casey's lying saying that she was searching for Caylee when she was clubbing instead...and you've got George trying to notice that Casey had a little belly?

DAM* Dad...be George Anthony, not Boy George. Man up and get honest bro...

I'm through! :rolleyes:

[5boxersmom]

Yes he sure did.mo


Then he said he took them out of Casey's car. So he lied. :eek::)

jmo

[tiny paw-prints]

Casey starts crying as soon as George takes the stand. His voice cracks at the beginning too.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7038761&version=1&locale=EN-US

Hope this works.

Thanks for the link.

I didn't know Casey began to cry as soon as GA takes the stand!! It's almost as though she knows in advance that he's going to lie (for her) before he takes the stand. Very strange.

[WillowInFlight]

It is after the commercial. Click play when you see George on the stand.

I didn't really hear anything earth shattering.

[5boxersmom]

Thanks for the link.

I didn't know Casey began to cry as soon as GA takes the stand!! It's almost as though she knows in advance that he's going to lie (for her) before he takes the stand. Very strange.


Yeah, Casey is crying and you can hear the emotion in George's voice. Wish we could see him.

jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Thanks for the link.

I didn't know Casey began to cry as soon as GA takes the stand!! It's almost as though she knows in advance that he's going to lie (for her) before he takes the stand. Very strange.

Did you see the way she smiled at him? It was almost like a look of relief. IMO

[rj1212]

If she was exhibiting suicidal or homicidal ideation at the time of her eval, she could have bonded out, but they would have to put her on a 72 hour hold to be evaluated further at a mental facility ... 5150 here ... but I believe in Florida it is under the Baker Act.


IMO

Maybe Casey was exhibiting suicidal tendencies when she was drinking like a horse and grinding with the stripper at club fusion...I mean...after all, I'm sure partying THAT hard HAD to be stressful...:rolleyes:
Oh yeah...I almost forgot--a 2 year old was missing at the time, but Mom seems really "suicidal" in those fusion pics...

JMO

[need2no]

If she was exhibiting suicidal or homicidal ideation at the time of her eval, she could have bonded out, but they would have to put her on a 72 hour hold to be evaluated further at a mental facility ... 5150 here ... but I believe in Florida it is under the Baker Act.


IMO


I thought so...so we can at least rule out suicidal or homicidal ideation, or any serious psycho problems since they released her on bond.

Yes, I recall Melinda Duckett being taken in under the Baker Act.

[Cury-us Coyote]

If the court ordered psy. dr. found Casey had any serious mental problems would she have been able to bond out of jail?

Suppose the eval revealed she had homicidal or suicidal tendencies?

IMO, concerns regarding ones personal safety would trump the family's apparent denial. Seems to me the rubber hits the road when you start thinking logically rather than emotionally.
jmo

[Ionmhainn]

Casey at constant war with her mother, as well as an accidental death of her child? A combination of both?

Post tramatic disorder? Delayed stress syndrome?

Still pondering...but it just struck me that talking about working at Universal seemed almost like regression. Wanting to go back to "before"....if you know what I mean? I think it's more than lying, but as I said...still pondering...
mo

[5boxersmom]

I didn't really hear anything earth shattering.

Just George's voice cracks when he says he is Casey's dad and Casey is crying at the time. Like Tiny PP said like she knows he is going to lie.

jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Still pondering...but it just struck me that talking about working at Universal seemed almost like regression. Wanting to go back to "before"....if you know what I mean? I think it's more than lying, but as I said...still pondering...
mo

Do you remember her tone of voice when she said "I used to have an office"?

[5boxersmom]

Did you see the way she smiled at him? It was almost like a look of relief. IMO


Yep and don't forget George was LE I am sure he knows how to act on the stand. I think he knew Caylee was gone.

jmo


Caylee:rose:

[5boxersmom]

Do you remember her tone of voice when she said "I used to have an office"?

Wonder if she really did?

[Ionmhainn]

Do you remember her tone of voice when she said "I used to have an office"?


What was your impression? I think she goes in and out of "reality."

[WillowInFlight]

Yep and don't forget George was LE I am sure he knows how to act on the stand. I think he knew Caylee was gone.

jmo


Caylee:rose:

I caught that smile between tears the first time and thought it odd, after re-watching it, I wonder if it was a "thank you dad" smile.:shrug:

[Marianne]

how do you make the board go back to the last post and NOT what I just posted. and im still trying to get through

press the back button twice

[WillowInFlight]

What was your impression? I think she goes in and out of "reality."

My impression was that was the only time I heard regret in her voice through out all the tapes.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Thanks for the link.

I didn't know Casey began to cry as soon as GA takes the stand!! It's almost as though she knows in advance that he's going to lie (for her) before he takes the stand. Very strange.

Was it after the Bond Hearing that Cindy drove the car home with George as the passenger or was it another time? TIA

[need2no]

imo, concerns regarding ones personal safety would trump the family's apparent denial. Seems to me the rubber hits the road when you start thinking logically rather than emotionally.
Jmo


ita! .......

[5boxersmom]

I caught that smile between tears the first time and thought it odd, after re-watching it, I wonder if it was a "thank you dad" smile.:shrug:

That gave me an uneasy feeling when I was watching it live also. I told myself these GP's are not involved. But now I think they were. I do think it was a thank you dad. So sad for Caylee.

jmo

[Ionmhainn]

My impression was that was the only time I heard regret in her voice through out all the tapes.


Hearing the snippets on NG, rather than listening to the whole interview, did make certain things stand out. I just thought her blocking out the "event" made the rest of it a little more "understandable." (can't find the word I want!!) It could explain her demeanor to some extent....you can't just block out the bad things. MO

[tiny paw-prints]

Just George's voice cracks when he says he is Casey's dad and Casey is crying at the time. Like Tiny PP said like she knows he is going to lie.

jmo

ITA, nothing earth shattering in GA's testimony.

Unless of course, she knew he was going to not only lie (for her) but also the fact that she knew, in advance, that he had witnessed a body in the trunk at some Point in time; and she may have known that he took care of it.

I believe it may have been a "reality check" revelation when GA took the stand.

Otherwise, there would be absolutely no reason for her to become emotional to the point of crying, she already knew the "script" to follow but she also was definitely aware of what really happened--before GA took the stand.

[5boxersmom]

ITA, nothing earth shattering in GA's testimony.

Unless of course, she knew he was going to not only lie (for her) but also the fact that she knew, in advance, that he had witnessed a body in the trunk at some Point in time; and she may have known that he took care of it.

I believe it may have been a "reality check" revelation when GA took the stand.

Otherwise, there would be absolutely no reason for her to become emotional to the point of crying, she already knew the "script" to follow but she also was definitely aware of what really happened--before GA took the stand.


Yep. Maybe there was a little bit of doubt there that he would sell her out.

They shared the secret. I think that is what it is. He helped her. They told Cindy after the third 911 call. jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Hearing the snippets on NG, rather than listening to the whole interview, did make certain things stand out. I just thought her blocking out the "event" made the rest of it a little more "understandable." (can't find the word I want!!) It could explain her demeanor to some extent....you can't just block out the bad things. MO

I understand that but I have to admit when I get very nervous, for example when my daughter was in a car accident, I couldn't even begin to tell you what was said or what I did that first night. As hard as I try and remember and search my mind nothing of that first night comes back after the point of getting the phone call till probably the next morning.

[tiny paw-prints]

Still pondering...but it just struck me that talking about working at Universal seemed almost like regression. Wanting to go back to "before"....if you know what I mean? I think it's more than lying, but as I said...still pondering...
mo

I'm still pondering too! It's almost as though it was a "safe" period of time in Casey's life, even if it was short lived. She may have for the first time in her young adult life actually felt good about herself, so soon after the birth Caylee, feeling responsible with an income, self-pride and too; she may have been receiving unexpected positive strokes from her mother, Cindy.