9/16 evening thread

[Oregongal]

But, with love and compassion, most of us can be fixed, IMO.

But there are those rose that cannot be fixed with love and compassion.
I was married to a socio for many years and thought if I just loved him enough he would feel better about himself and change. It took over 30 yrs for me to realize that he wasn't one who could be 'fixed'. My love and compassion just seemed to give him more permission to be even more manipulitive and selfish. I know that's only my experience, but I had to bring it up because if Casey is like my ex, she may never be able to be 'fixed'. Her parents seem to be in the same place I was for many years.
What she has exhibited tells me she will continue her socio ways and may never tell the truth about Caylee. After my divorce and I looked back I discovered how many lies my ex had told and stuck with. It was only after it was all over and I had no contact with him the veil was lifted from my eyes, heart and mind. I see Casey as going to her grave, no matter what happens to her legally, with her still saying I don't know where Caylee is, if I did we wouldn't even be here. Paraphrasing cause I'm too tired to look up her exact words.
There are those that cannot be fixed, no matter how much love, compassion, wishing and praying is done for them. And I think Casey may be one of those. Her baby is gone. She didn't call LE immediatley, she partied, she didn't search and she has given nothing but lies to LE to help in finding her baby. I don't think she knows the true meaning of love and compassion, otherwise she would have shown that long ago for her flesh and blood baby daughter.

[shelbar53]

how many protesters did you count without teeth? Aside from the two ladies with the dog, of course, whom I'm sure met with your approval. imo

i was going on an assumption, 10 protesters 1-2 each so maybe 15 in all

[barskin&co.]

I'm beginning to wonder who wrote Casey's script. Maybe her parents or brother know a little bit more than we think. As long as she keeps her mouth shut and they don't find Caylee, she may very well walk. Who, exactly, is she protecting. That's just something I wonder and I also wonder what's in it for her. JMO.

Casey is protecting Casey and only Casey.

[rosejustrose]

Rose, as my mother always says only god knows why, he had a better plan and purpose for little Caylee and quite possibly a lesson for those who were supposed to care for and love her unconditionally, not just love until.....

Maybe He had a message to send to all of us. Remember, it takes a village to raise a child. Maybe we all failed that little girl because of our selfishness and inability to see others in dire need of help. Caylee may be an example of our inability to reach out and care and help. There is absolutely no other reason in this world that little girl had to die. In her death she has brought so many people together in sincere concern, in anger, in hope, in anxiety, in righteous indignation and in pure confusion for the sole purpose of seeing justice done for her, for seeing justice done for Caylee. Everything happens for a reason no matter how bad it may seem at first, in the end it serves a useful purpose. Getting Casey Anthony out of circulation may be the reason in this case. She has already destroyed so many lives. JMO.

[Joan Weiss]

I agree with you, Joan. This didn't even occur to me until I read the 400pg - The more I read, the stronger this idea became.

The only question I would have is how she expected to pay for all the bills associated with having a house! I guess that's my rational-self coming through. I have to keep reminding myself Casey doesn't in a straight line.

AllMO:)Roommate. And anyone around that she could con, of course. Maybe welfare. :shrug:

The roommate would of course get stuck paying the utilities, if she wanted to stay there. And there probably would have been a windfall of insurance and IRA inheritance, if she could claim an accident befell them. I think that's a more likely scenario. Burglars did it...imo

[rosejustrose]

and with one eye open!

And a machete at the ready!

[flipflop]

No.

It's the traditional Micro vs. Macro IMO. :)

omg...that is hilarious. :)

[Oregongal]

Well, if Casey killed Caylee, she's a psychopath; ie; a sociopath who crossed over the line. Actually, that could be very dangerous for Cindy and George. imo

I agree Joan and if I were C&G I would be afraid, very afraid.
Just had a thought, maybe that's why they continue to engage the protesters, keep calling LE. Could it be their way of protecting themselves? Thinking with all this activity and attention will keep them safe from Casey?
Just a thought.

[concernedmom]

Roommate. And anyone around that she could con, of course. Maybe welfare. :shrug:

The roommate would of course get stuck paying the utilities, if she wanted to stay there. And there probably would have been a windfall of insurance and IRA inheritance, if she could claim an accident befell them. I think that's a more likely scenario. Burglars did it...imo

she could do it now. Protesters broke in looking for her, she hid so they offed her parents.
I bet one thing. If she gets away with this, she will do it again.

[Joan Weiss]

i was going on an assumption, 10 protesters 1-2 each so maybe 15 in allCareful now, the tooth karma may come back to bite you. imo :rolleyes:

[dixie77]

Maybe He had a message to send to all of us. Remember, it takes a village to raise a child. Maybe we all failed that little girl because of our selfishness and inability to see others in dire need of help. Caylee may be an example of our inability to reach out and care and help. There is absolutely no other reason in this world that little girl had to die. In her death she has brought so many people together in sincere concern, in anger, in hope, in anxiety, in righteous indignation and in pure confusion for the sole purpose of seeing justice done for her, for seeing justice done for Caylee. Everything happens for a reason no matter how bad it may seem at first, in the end it serves a useful purpose. Getting Casey Anthony out of circulation may be the reason in this case. She has already destroyed so many lives. JMO.
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Very very nicely said, Rose

[tiny paw-prints]

:)
I may be wrong but I believe the body search is done only if the person who is being arrested is going to be put in a jail jumpsuit and place in the area with other prisoners including isolation. With Casey her lawyer prob knew she was in custody and was arranging bond so they may have just putting her in a holding tank, without belt, accessories or anything she may harm herself with.
Like a drunk who can't leave until sober. It could be a jail to jail thing too as some are so professional and other so sloppy.
JMO
As for her continuing arrests this is a good thing as each arrest she is required to post more and more bond, JMO finally the monies will run out. IMO

I agree. I also think it's a constructive way, and totally legal, for the county to recoup at least some of the losses, especially for the "down time" at Universal.

[Boxer]

Cindy and George were not afraid of her enough to leave her swingy hips in jail.

[shelbar53]

Maybe He had a message to send to all of us. Remember, it takes a village to raise a child. Maybe we all failed that little girl because of our selfishness and inability to see others in dire need of help. Caylee may be an example of our inability to reach out and care and help. There is absolutely no other reason in this world that little girl had to die. In her death she has brought so many people together in sincere concern, in anger, in hope, in anxiety, in righteous indignation and in pure confusion for the sole purpose of seeing justice done for her, for seeing justice done for Caylee. Everything happens for a reason no matter how bad it may seem at first, in the end it serves a useful purpose. Getting Casey Anthony out of circulation may be the reason in this case. She has already destroyed so many lives. JMO.

Our purpose in this village is to make sure she is found and receives a proper burial and set examples of how to give love to strangers.

[charm7]

Casey is protecting Casey and only Casey.

ITA and I don't think for one minute Casey would stay one night in jail to protect ANYONE!:biggrin:

[dixie77]

I was wondering why LE is going to Ca. to talk with LP? I remember someone saying that maybe he had the A's house bugged. Maybe just maybe he has something important for LE. JMO

[rosejustrose]

But there are those rose that cannot be fixed with love and compassion.
I was married to a socio for many years and thought if I just loved him enough he would feel better about himself and change. It took over 30 yrs for me to realize that he wasn't one who could be 'fixed'. My love and compassion just seemed to give him more permission to be even more manipulitive and selfish. I know that's only my experience, but I had to bring it up because if Casey is like my ex, she may never be able to be 'fixed'. Her parents seem to be in the same place I was for many years.
What she has exhibited tells me she will continue her socio ways and may never tell the truth about Caylee. After my divorce and I looked back I discovered how many lies my ex had told and stuck with. It was only after it was all over and I had no contact with him the veil was lifted from my eyes, heart and mind. I see Casey as going to her grave, no matter what happens to her legally, with her still saying I don't know where Caylee is, if I did we wouldn't even be here. Paraphrasing cause I'm too tired to look up her exact words.
There are those that cannot be fixed, no matter how much love, compassion, wishing and praying is done for them. And I think Casey may be one of those. Her baby is gone. She didn't call LE immediatley, she partied, she didn't search and she has given nothing but lies to LE to help in finding her baby. I don't think she knows the true meaning of love and compassion, otherwise she would have shown that long ago for her flesh and blood baby daughter.

After reading your post, I think you are right. I'm so glad you're free of that type of life and I hope you are safe and very happy. I agree with you about Casey. I think she is beyond hope, she has killed her own child, IMO. It's a long road to redemption from there. I wish you nothing but peace, happiness and love all the rest of your life :rose:

[concernedmom]

I think she has been emailing, messaging or calling Amy. This is the first Amy related theft charge where that put the no contact restriction on her.

[Joan Weiss]

So sad, making fun of the poor, who can't afford what Casey was given, yet they're out there with their righteousness, and their belief in the rights afforded them. Unfortunate in some ways, but I'll bet God doesn't look down on them. imo :patriot:

[Takotna]

But there are those rose that cannot be fixed with love and compassion.
I was married to a socio for many years and thought if I just loved him enough he would feel better about himself and change. It took over 30 yrs for me to realize that he wasn't one who could be 'fixed'. My love and compassion just seemed to give him more permission to be even more manipulitive and selfish. I know that's only my experience, but I had to bring it up because if Casey is like my ex, she may never be able to be 'fixed'. Her parents seem to be in the same place I was for many years.
What she has exhibited tells me she will continue her socio ways and may never tell the truth about Caylee. After my divorce and I looked back I discovered how many lies my ex had told and stuck with. It was only after it was all over and I had no contact with him the veil was lifted from my eyes, heart and mind. I see Casey as going to her grave, no matter what happens to her legally, with her still saying I don't know where Caylee is, if I did we wouldn't even be here. Paraphrasing cause I'm too tired to look up her exact words.
There are those that cannot be fixed, no matter how much love, compassion, wishing and praying is done for them. And I think Casey may be one of those. Her baby is gone. She didn't call LE immediatley, she partied, she didn't search and she has given nothing but lies to LE to help in finding her baby. I don't think she knows the true meaning of love and compassion, otherwise she would have shown that long ago for her flesh and blood baby daughter.

This is so true. It's so difficult to understand for those who have not lived in a sociopath's web.

I do think it may be possible to conteract tendencies if a parent is aware of this kind of problem - but it would have to happen in very early childhood. It's more common parents fall into the enabling trap early on and (IMO) there's no going back.

I'm so sorry for Caylee - she was born into Casey's web. :rose:

AllMO:)

[impartial]

I was wondering why LE is going to Ca. to talk with LP? I remember someone saying that maybe he had the A's house bugged. Maybe just maybe he has something important for LE. JMO


There was an earlier audio interview of LP indicating that they came out to talk to him about the story Casey told them vs. the story she told LE about Zenaida.

Odd though, they could have done that by telephone.

Wonder what they were really up to.

IMO

[rosejustrose]

i was going on an assumption, 10 protesters 1-2 each so maybe 15 in all

Yeah, you're probably right. I need to stick to my own motto, KISS. The easiest answer is always the most likely correct answer. IMO.:punch:

[dixie77]

I think she has been emailing, messaging or calling Amy. This is the first Amy related theft charge where that put the no contact restriction on her.

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Yep i agree with ya

[Boxer]

I think she has been emailing, messaging or calling Amy. This is the first Amy related theft charge where that put the no contact restriction on her.

I thought it weird too, but I wasn't sure if it might be something that is done on a regular basis.:shrug:

[Takotna]

I was wondering why LE is going to Ca. to talk with LP? I remember someone saying that maybe he had the A's house bugged. Maybe just maybe he has something important for LE. JMO

I thought they would be going there to talk to that marine who is stationed in CA. He's the one Casey was talking to (frequently) on line. She said she was planning a trip to CA and had something to tell him. Am I remembering this correctly? :shrug:


AllMO:)

[Boxer]

There was an earlier audio interview of LP indicating that they came out to talk to him about the story Casey told them vs. the story she told LE about Zenaida.

Odd though, they could have done that by telephone.

Wonder what they were really up to.

IMO


I do not trust that man. Not one bit, no way, no how. Let's call it gut feeling and track record meet.

[dixie77]

There was an earlier audio interview of LP indicating that they came out to talk to him about the story Casey told them vs. the story she told LE about Zenaida.

Odd though, they could have done that by telephone.

Wonder what they were really up to.

IMO
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Thats why i was curious.....as u said it could have been done by telephone. There's more to this than meets the eye. I hope that LP has something. Lets see........what could he have? JMO

[rosejustrose]

Our purpose in this village is to make sure she is found and receives a proper burial and set examples of how to give love to strangers.


Amen. For little Caylee:rose:

For all of us who care enough to care:rose:

[impartial]

I do not trust that man. Not one bit, no way, no how. Let's call it gut feeling and track record meet.


He's been all over the board on this.

I'm thinking that LP was a decoy for LE's purpose in CA.

IMO

[dixie77]

I thought they would be going there to talk to that marine who is stationed in CA. He's the one Casey was talking to (frequently) on line. She said she was planning a trip to CA and had something to tell him. Am I remembering this correctly? :shrug:


AllMO:)
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I think they r going to Ca. to talk to the both of them IIRC

[Joan Weiss]

I thought they would be going there to talk to that marine who is stationed in CA. He's the one Casey was talking to (frequently) on line. She said she was planning a trip to CA and had something to tell him. Am I remembering this correctly? :shrug:


AllMO:)I think so, too. The actual report was that they were going to CA to search for Caylee. Talking to Padilla came from speculation and his mouth. imo

[dixie77]

He's been all over the board on this.

I'm thinking that LP was a decoy for LE's purpose in CA.

IMO
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Aahhhhhhhhhhhhh now theres a good thought. u may be on to something.

[rosejustrose]

I do not trust that man. Not one bit, no way, no how. Let's call it gut feeling and track record meet.

ITA. There is no way that anything LP can give LE will be admissable in court. He's a grandiose court jester who is garnering as much free publicity as possible for his reality show, IMO.

[Boxer]

He's been all over the board on this.

I'm thinking that LP was a decoy for LE's purpose in CA.

IMO


Could very well be. I can't think of much more he could add that hasn't been said on television 5 nights a week.

[impartial]

Could very well be. I can't think of much more he could add that hasn't been said on television 5 nights a week.



So true ... all LE had to do to speak with LP is call in to NG. :D

[Cury-us Coyote]

There was an earlier audio interview of LP indicating that they came out to talk to him about the story Casey told them vs. the story she told LE about Zenaida.

Odd though, they could have done that by telephone.

Wonder what they were really up to.

IMO

FBI can not give a poly via the phone but someone locally could.
:shrug:

[dixie77]

Could very well be. I can't think of much more he could add that hasn't been said on television 5 nights a week.

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aint that the truth. but we can hope. lol

[Joan Weiss]

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Thats why i was curious.....as u said it could have been done by telephone. There's more to this than meets the eye. I hope that LP has something. Lets see........what could he have? JMOIf they want to get sworn statements, they have to do that in person. No way can they do it by phone. The person in question would have to write out the statement and sign it, and it would have to be countersigned by LE. I have read no official report stating they were going to see Padilla. imo

[kakax]

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ETA: it won't let me format the table.....guess you will have to click on the link to see how well she did or count over to her time slot.

[dixie77]

If they want to get sworn statements, they have to do that in person. No way can they do it by phone. The person in question would have to write out the statement and sign it, and it would have to be countersigned by LE. imo
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Thanks, Joan

[Boxer]

ITA. There is no way that anything LP can give LE will be admissable in court. He's a grandiose court jester who is garnering as much free publicity as possible for his reality show, IMO.


I think the reality show on National Geographic is no longer an option. JMO, but on the site, there is nothing scheduled and the last airing was pulled. I'm not sure though.

My gut tells me that he was not there for Caylee. Nobody that cares for small children's welfare as he claims to have about Caylee would invite a convicted child preditor (2 9 year old boys) to live on their property across the road from a neighborhood filled with children.

[kakax]

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aint that the truth. but we can hope. lol


Maybe they have other interviews they want to do as well. The marine may have more information now that Casey has been out.

[DELANEY]

I missed the part about the book deal. Is there a book deal on the table for the Anthony's?

It does seem that the grandparents have placed their attention on the media, internet websites, etc. more than they have in REALLY making efforts to find their grandchild, other than wearing t-shirts & putting the writing on their vehicles.

This case has taken up Nancy Grace's show for weeks now. Will she move on to other missing children eventually, or doesn't she have any other top news stories to cover? Her show reminds me of Showbiz Tonight. They continually hash the same story over and over, such as Oprah not inviting Palin, blah, blah.

Personally, I do not see Caylee being found for a long, long time, if ever. Casey is not going to start telling the truth until she has no other choice, such as when there is a body found, alive or dead. Her parents should be making an effort to get her counseling, soon. They could all use some, imo.

[Joan Weiss]

Our purpose in this village is to make sure she is found and receives a proper burial and set examples of how to give love to strangers.Except for the toothless, chicken eating, beer swilling protesters, right?

[rosejustrose]

So true ... all LE had to do to speak with LP is call in to NG. :D

Ya know, why him??? He's really not that credible and he's annoying! NG is losing her edge, IMO.

[dixie77]

Maybe they have other interviews they want to do as well. The marine may have more information now that Casey has been out.

I hope so. God Bless lil Caylee nite all hugs

[rosejustrose]

I think the reality show on National Geographic is no longer an option. JMO, but on the site, there is nothing scheduled and the last airing was pulled. I'm not sure though.

My gut tells me that he was not there for Caylee. Nobody that cares for small children's welfare as he claims to have about Caylee would invite a convicted child preditor (2 9 year old boys) to live on their property across the road from a neighborhood filled with children.

What???:eek:

[Joan Weiss]

I hope so. God Bless lil Caylee nite all hugs'nite, dixie. :seeya:

[shelbar53]

wOW, YOU guys are AMAZING SELUTHS...u leave no rock unturned. Promise me...if I go missing, I want all of you investiagating, you can have access to everything...just get the guy. Now if my hubby goes missing....move on to the next case

[Joan Weiss]

wOW, YOU guys are AMAZING SELUTHS...u leave no rock unturned. Promise me...if I go missing, I want all of you investiagating, you can have access to everything...just get the guy. Now if my hubby goes missing....move on to the next caseOMG....:lol:

[shelbar53]

nite joan :seeya:

[rosejustrose]

Except for the toothless, chicken eating, beer swilling protesters, right?

Now you need to stop that, Joan!:lol:

[Joan Weiss]

Maybe they have other interviews they want to do as well. The marine may have more information now that Casey has been out.Plus, they may need to clear an interview with his base commander or whatever. imo

[Joan Weiss]

nite joan :seeya:Sleep well. :seeya:

[hanlil]

I know this is old news but I'm surprised that more is not being made of the chloroform that was detected in Casey's car. It just seems so undeniably incriminating...
Has anyone heard whether Cindy or George have been asked about the chloroform and have they offered up any explanation whatsoever??

[Joan Weiss]

Now you need to stop that, Joan!:lol:I couldn't help it! The irony...:biggrin:

[Boxer]

What???:eek:

http://www.sacramentorepublicrat.com/2006/07/timothy_boggs_to_be_released_i.php

[rosejustrose]

I hope so. God Bless lil Caylee nite all hugs


Nite dixie, hugs and sleep well!

[shelbar53]

nite all, i like the late nite group......:D

[Joan Weiss]

I know this is old news but I'm surprised that more is not being made of the chloroform that was detected in Casey's car. It just seems so undeniably incriminating...
Has anyone heard whether Cindy or George have been asked about the chloroform and have they offered up any explanation whatsoever??I think it was for them. Remember, it dissipates quickly in the body, and is relatively undetectable in a few hours. imo

[Takotna]

wOW, YOU guys are AMAZING SELUTHS...u leave no rock unturned. Promise me...if I go missing, I want all of you investiagating, you can have access to everything...just get the guy. Now if my hubby goes missing....move on to the next case

I'll need y'all too - to explain why I have searches for chloroform, decomp, etc. on my computer!:):)

[rosejustrose]

wOW, YOU guys are AMAZING SELUTHS...u leave no rock unturned. Promise me...if I go missing, I want all of you investiagating, you can have access to everything...just get the guy. Now if my hubby goes missing....move on to the next case

You bad girl, stop that shizz!

[Oregongal]

LE said in one of those documents during an interview that DP had been calling him. So I think he has tried to insert his self in
this case since the beginning.

concernedmom and boxer-
Ok, not disputing this, but as I said...go to the source. It's a high profile, headline case. He does tend to go with those, but, I didn't see what he said, what his intention was in contacting him. I would like to know why he contacted him, what was said between them other than the blanket, DP called him.
I would again say, go to him and ask him why. Is it because he does cover high profile, national headline cases and he's bringing this case to his audience to put out there what's happening with it? As People mag did.
Inserting himself into this case? That phrase makes it sound as if he's trying to get something out of it. What could he possibly be getting?
If he's trying to bring it out on his show to those who are not as into it and knowing as much as we are on IS and other MB's do, what's wrong with that?
I would hope he would be doing it to bring more awareness to the public about Caylee. Believe or not, there are so many that have no idea, know nothing about this case. I have a couple of friends that had not even heard of Caylee until I told them. If Dr. Phil had show about Caylee, posted her pic and asked for anyone who may have info to come forward, how could that be bad?
If he had staff and investigators on it and they found out something, would that be bad?
IMO...I think not.

[impartial]

wOW, YOU guys are AMAZING SELUTHS...u leave no rock unturned. Promise me...if I go missing, I want all of you investiagating, you can have access to everything...just get the guy. Now if my hubby goes missing....move on to the next case


If my DH goes missing, so will my computer :eek:

[rosejustrose]

nite all, i like the late nite group......:D


nite shel! Have a good nite and sleep well!

[rosejustrose]

If my DH goes missing, so will my computer :eek:


You know what? You're a lawyer...... so OK?

[WHITECATS]

Night Night Lets hope they find little Caylee soon!

[StickyBeak]

I am adding my Night Nights as well.

Sweet dreams to y'all, pray for Caylee and a better tomorrow

:seeya:

[PolyGraph]

wOW, YOU guys are AMAZING SELUTHS...u leave no rock unturned. Promise me...if I go missing, I want all of you investiagating, you can have access to everything...just get the guy. Now if my hubby goes missing....move on to the next case

haha too funny:lol:

[Takotna]

I know this is old news but I'm surprised that more is not being made of the chloroform that was detected in Casey's car. It just seems so undeniably incriminating...
Has anyone heard whether Cindy or George have been asked about the chloroform and have they offered up any explanation whatsoever??

IMO they would handle it like everything else - confuse and deny -
dead body smell = pizza
dog hits = inconsistent alerts
lies=truth stretching
Casey = mother of the year
phone calls = phone company records wrong
chloroform = air freshener (I made this one up!!!!!)

They have an explanation for everything. (Just like Casey)
IMO Being the offspring of G/C - Casey was doubly predisposed for Socio/Narc traits.

AllMO:)

[hanlil]

Just sems mind boggling to me that Cindy and George keep defending Casey with the evidence that's out there...chloroform, computer searches etc. There's no denying the truth anymore.

I have a question that has probably been addressed but I haven't heard it discussed much...what's the deal with the concrete slab that was poured in the Anthony's backyard? When was it poured and has it been ruled out that Casey could have buried Caylee under the spot where she knew the concrete would be?

[Boxer]

concernedmom and boxer-
Ok, not disputing this, but as I said...go to the source. It's a high profile, headline case. He does tend to go with those, but, I didn't see what he said, what his intention was in contacting him. I would like to know why he contacted him, what was said between them other than the blanket, DP called him.
I would again say, go to him and ask him why. Is it because he does cover high profile, national headline cases and he's bringing this case to his audience to put out there what's happening with it? As People mag did.
Inserting himself into this case? That phrase makes it sound as if he's trying to get something out of it. What could he possibly be getting?
If he's trying to bring it out on his show to those who are not as into it and knowing as much as we are on IS and other MB's do, what's wrong with that?
I would hope he would be doing it to bring more awareness to the public about Caylee. Believe or not, there are so many that have no idea, know nothing about this case. I have a couple of friends that had not even heard of Caylee until I told them. If Dr. Phil had show about Caylee, posted her pic and asked for anyone who may have info to come forward, how could that be bad?
If he had staff and investigators on it and they found out something, would that be bad?
IMO...I think not.

I stopped watching Phil McGraw when he stopped being responsible as a "doctor". There are many who like him. I did at first, but a long while back I noticed a pattern I didn't particularly care for. He can get involved all he wants to, bring Caylee to the forefront for some who might not realize she went missing. But I truly think she is dead, her incubator killed her and she's in Florida. So I guess if he thinks his pressence will get Casey to talk or make some headway that LE cannot, then he should do it....but why now?

[Joan Weiss]

This is so true. It's so difficult to understand for those who have not lived in a sociopath's web.

I do think it may be possible to conteract tendencies if a parent is aware of this kind of problem - but it would have to happen in very early childhood. It's more common parents fall into the enabling trap early on and (IMO) there's no going back.

I'm so sorry for Caylee - she was born into Casey's web. :rose:

AllMO:)I think it's possible, too. If the parents are impossible to live with, it's usually an outside influence that saves the child. A relative or a friend's family, someone's mother, a grandmother or aunt...someone who shows them kindness and love. Someone who shows them that life is not necessarily the way they experience it at home.

I have known people who came from the worst of circumstances, they have lovely families and do the right things by their children. jmo

[Oregongal]

I agree with you. I didn't do a good job od explaining where I was coming from but you covered it nicely. Thank you.

Thank YOU rose! You brought it up. I'm glad I was able to add to it.
:)

[Joan Weiss]

Night Night Lets hope they find little Caylee soon!

I am adding my Night Nights as well.

Sweet dreams to y'all, pray for Caylee and a better tomorrow

:seeya:Sleep well, tomorrow's another day. :seeya:

Caylee :rose:

[Takotna]

Just sems mind boggling to me that Cindy and George keep defending Casey with the evidence that's out there...chloroform, computer searches etc. There's no denying the truth anymore.

I have a question that has probably been addressed but I haven't heard it discussed much...what's the deal with the concrete slab that was poured in the Anthony's backyard? When was it poured and has it been ruled out that Casey could have buried Caylee under the spot where she knew the concrete would be?


IIRC - the conclusion on this is "concrete was not poured" - pavers were inset for the playhouse to sit on. There are several threads where this has been a topic. Probably if you search by concrete slab - search for posts, it will be easy to find.

AllMO:)

If I came to the wrong conclusion - please let me know!

[OneUp]

So sad, making fun of the poor, who can't afford what Casey was given, yet they're out there with their righteousness, and their belief in the rights afforded them. Unfortunate in some ways, but I'll bet God doesn't look down on them. imo :patriot:I'm glad to see you say this joanie! I can't stand when some make fun of people appearances, accents, apparent socio-economic satus, percieved genetic defects, you get the gist.
The cackling at " Grandma jack o'lantern" last night is just unacceptable...Judge the woman for how she has allowed her grandchild to be victimized, but to poke fun at her teeth! Geesh! and that from posters who chide myself and others for "judging" the Anthony family..tsk. tsk. :no: At least they are related to the subject at hand...Caylee and how & why she is gone. I find their actions and behavior to be lacking.
I judge people based upon their actions, not their circumstances, not the ir"station" in life, and certainly not on their appearance. I find that inexcusable and juvenile in the extreme. I am just human, and not above judgemental behavior myself.
JMO.
I hope those who did so are at least ashamed enough of themselves to cut other people some slack when they get annoyed with Cindy, George, Lee, and most of all Casey.
If I'd say I hate anyone, it would be a hypocrite.
That is also my opinion...

[Boxer]

IIRC - the conclusion on this is "concrete was not poured" - pavers were inset for the playhouse to sit on. There are several threads where this has been a topic. Probably if you search by concrete slab - search for posts, it will be easy to find.

AllMO:)

If I came to the wrong conclusion - please let me know!

the one side of the sidewalk looks really new. maybe someone got confused or misunderstood. IMO, it looks way newer than all the rest of the concrete in the area, but I don't think it means anything.

[desmom]

Originally Posted by Albini
This is what I just cant comprehend.

There is no "Why me?" or " Why did this happen to me, why MY daughter."" from Casey.

There is no lashing out at the people around her or pleas such as "Get outta my face and find my daughter""

She doesnt come off as a person who was just robbed of thier most precious gift..thier child.

My daughter is 4. FOr a long time I didnt know if she would live. I brought her home and she survived soley on technology (feeding tubes, O2, sats moniters etc).

I look back at pictures during this time and I dont recognize myself. I was sick looking, like the stress and uncertinaity was taking my health also.

I cried alot and got angry at people around me b/c I just didnt know and it was so unfair.

I broke down on side walks and screamed b/c every one elses world was moving on and mine was being ripped apart around me and the world in general didnt stop for me.

That is how I expect to see Casey. I expect to see a mother who has had the life ripped out of her.

I see a women with her shirt knotted around her waist holding hands and bouncing along with a man 2x her age.

I know every one grieves differently.....but I see not one iota of grief from Casey.


Originally Posted by Albini
That was very touching, thank you.

The little girl I was talking about started school on Monday. Didnt think she would live to see the day..but she did, so I am blessed beyond words. Even tho the road is still long, its not impossible.

I pray I see Casey brought to justice and Caylee brought home.

You are right. You are absolutely right..Miss Casey Anthony's interview with LE shows not one iota of a Mother in distress...a Mother that has lost her most precious gift....no heart gut wrenching pain. No cries, screams or panic.............

{{{{{Albini}}}}} I am so sorry. I send my prayers, big old bear hugs and lots of chocolate to you and yours...not a cure, but hopefully will help maneuver the roads ahead of you.

When our daughter was 5 months old...May 31, 1991...her specialist told us to take her home, love her, make her comfortable and plan her funeral because she would never see 5 years old.

She turned 17 last December. She was crowned Prom Queen this past May and Miss Independence at the 4th of July parade at her school. She has amazed the "professionals". She is still working on some goals, but we could not be prouder of her accomplishments.

Please feel free to pm me if you need to vent.

:rose: for You and for your Daughter!

:rose: for Miss Caylee Anthony

[tiny paw-prints]

I know this is old news but I'm surprised that more is not being made of the chloroform that was detected in Casey's car. It just seems so undeniably incriminating...
Has anyone heard whether Cindy or George have been asked about the chloroform and have they offered up any explanation whatsoever??

I don't believe anyone asked George or Cindy about the finding of chloroform. NG, did discuss the finding on her show, IIRC? I don't recall that Cindy called NG on that particular nite? I believe G&C retained their own attorney the following day after the chloroform info was released to the public. That seemed suspicious, IMO.

[why-me]

Evening all. I hope I don't get rotten tomatoes thrown at me but here goes.
Considering how Casey seems to be in a stunted social growth pattern and also seems to be very sexually active, I am seriously wondering if there has been sexual abuse in the Anthony home. No one seems to know for sure who the father of Caylee is (very curious), there does not seem to be any family or friends around(more privacy in the family than usual), G & CA filed for divorce(remember the DNA tests Jesse took-was anyone else checked), no one wants to take a lie detector test and more and more I read that we (the public) are going to be very surprised when things come out(about how many men Casey has been with). I realize this is not telling where Caylee is right now but at the same time these things keep adding up in my mind. You often see children that have been sexually abused have no emotions because to them nothing is worse than what has already happened. So, not to be gross but is it possible that GA is Caylees father and he did something to her and the rest of the family is covering? It just seems to me they are trying hard to cover up more than just Casey. JMO

[hanlil]

IIRC - the conclusion on this is "concrete was not poured" - pavers were inset for the playhouse to sit on. There are several threads where this has been a topic. Probably if you search by concrete slab - search for posts, it will be easy to find.

AllMO:)

If I came to the wrong conclusion - please let me know!

Thanks, I'll try that. By the way "chloroform=air freshener" too funny!

[Oregongal]

Denied without prejudice means they can make the motion or seek relief again ... can be to the same judge.

IMO

Whoops, sorry, I knew that, mis-typed. You are right. It can be same judge.
Bottom line tho, it wasn't thrown out/denied completely.
Thank you impartial. I'm so glad we have you on board for these legal explanations. I appreciate you so much.
:)

[Boxer]

You are right. You are absolutely right..Miss Casey Anthony's interview with LE shows not one iota of a Mother in distress...a Mother that has lost her most precious gift....no heart gut wrenching pain. No cries, screams or panic.............

{{{{{Albini}}}}} I am so sorry. I send my prayers, big old bear hugs and lots of chocolate to you and yours...not a cure, but hopefully will help maneuver the roads ahead of you.

When our daughter was 5 months old...May 31, 1991...her specialist told us to take her home, love her, make her comfortable and plan her funeral because she would never see 5 years old.

She turned 17 last December. She was crowned Prom Queen this past May and Miss Independence at the 4th of July parade at her school. She has amazed the "professionals". She is still working on some goals, but we could not be prouder of her accomplishments.

Please feel free to pm me if you need to vent.

:rose: for You and for your Daughter!

:rose: for Miss Caylee Anthony



:rose: fabulous! I love these kind of stories. and I'm still working on goals too....

[rosejustrose]

You are right. You are absolutely right..Miss Casey Anthony's interview with LE shows not one iota of a Mother in distress...a Mother that has lost her most precious gift....no heart gut wrenching pain. No cries, screams or panic.............

{{{{{Albini}}}}} I am so sorry. I send my prayers, big old bear hugs and lots of chocolate to you and yours...not a cure, but hopefully will help maneuver the roads ahead of you.

When our daughter was 5 months old...May 31, 1991...her specialist told us to take her home, love her, make her comfortable and plan her funeral because she would never see 5 years old.

She turned 17 last December. She was crowned Prom Queen this past May and Miss Independence at the 4th of July parade at her school. She has amazed the "professionals". She is still working on some goals, but we could not be prouder of her accomplishments.

Please feel free to pm me if you need to vent.

:rose: for You and for your Daughter!

:rose: for Miss Caylee Anthony


You and your family were definitely one of the lucky ones smiled upon from above. Bless you:rose:

I pray you dance at her wedding and enjoy your grandchildren. That's my wish and prayer for you

[martha]

Good night to everyone. I am so sad that we or no closer to finding caylee than the first day we heard she was missing. Looks like casey is going to get out of this and we will never know what happened to caylee. I have never seen so many people that love a sweet little girl as I have seen in this case. Casey may go free and the anthony may become very rich of of this case but I know we all will never forget caylee and wonder what happened to her. The only thing I know in my heart is if she is dead she is in God arms. She is in heaven and a lot better off there. Still I love her and wish if someone did something to her they would be punished for it but that may never happen. God bless you little caylee. We all love you so very much. We will never forget you. good night everyone and get a good night rest. I think you all for being so much help to me when I am on this board.jmho:rose:

[Joan Weiss]

I'm glad to see you say this joanie! I can't stand when some make fun of people appearances, accents, apparent socio-economic satus, percieved genetic defects, you get the gist.
The cackling at " Grandma jack o'lantern" last night is just unacceptable...Judge the woman for how she has allowed her grandchild to be victimized, but to poke fun at her teeth! Geesh! and that from posters who chide myself and others for "judging" the Anthony family..tsk. tsk. :no: At least they are related to the subject at hand...Caylee and how & why she is gone. I find their actions and behavior to be lacking.
I judge people based upon their actions, not their circumstances, not the ir"station" in life, and certainly not on their appearance. I find that inexcusable and juvenile in the extreme. I am just human, and not above judgemental behavior myself.
JMO.
I hope those who did so are at least ashamed enough of themselves to cut other people some slack when they get annoyed with Cindy, George, Lee, and most of all Casey.
If I'd say I hate anyone, it would be a hypocrite.
That is also my opinion...Thank you, One Up. I always think "There but for the grace of God go I..."

Many people lose their teeth because they can't afford dental care, and many of them can't afford it because they are taking care of their families.

And it appears to me that those protesters mentioned because of their appearance are not concerned about what others think; it's appealing to me that they are saying "I will be heard." imo

[Joan Weiss]

Good night to everyone. I am so sad that we or no closer to finding caylee than the first day we heard she was missing. Looks like casey is going to get out of this and we will never know what happened to caylee. I have never seen so many people that love a sweet little girl as I have seen in this case. Casey may go free and the anthony may become very rich of of this case but I know we all will never forget caylee and wonder what happened to her. The only thing I know in my heart is if she is dead she is in God arms. She is in heaven and a lot better off there. Still I love her and wish if someone did something to her they would be punished for it but that may never happen. God bless you little caylee. We all love you so very much. We will never forget you. good night everyone and get a good night rest. I think you all for being so much help to me when I am on this board.jmho:rose:Good night, martha, God bless you, and we are all praying for little Caylee. :rose:

[OneUp]

I think it's possible, too. If the parents are impossible to live with, it's usually an outside influence that saves the child. A relative or a friend's family, someone's mother, a grandmother or aunt...someone who shows them kindness and love. Someone who shows them that life is not necessarily the way they experience it at home.

I have known people who came from the worst of circumstances, they have lovely families and do the right things by their children. jmoThat has been true for myself. I had a terrible home life...nothing that needs discussing here. But I do believe one thing which "saved" me was the teachers, neighbors, and a very dear uncle who welcomed me into their lives. I think they saw my home and family for what they were and "rescued" me when they could. I spent nearly all of every summer and holiday vacation away, these people sent me to camps, had me come over to "help" them around their homes ( that amounted more to eating cookies and having fun than really helping), took me to church and the theatre, etc.
I really believe those bursts of beauty, love, and normalicy helped to save me. I still call and send my uncle cards out of the blue just to tell him what he has meant to me.
If you know of a child or teen who has a hard life, I encourage you to give them some time if you can or at least a smile and a kind word. You'll never know what these things can mean to a child who lives their life in the dark absence of real love.
JMO.
:rose:Caylee, know now that Gods brightest light of love shines on you forever and always.

[PolyGraph]

I dont understand why i posted a new theory on a new thread last night and it just up and disappeared! :shrug: Could an administrator have taken it off for some reason???

Well here is a smaller synopsis of that theory...I am starting to think that Casey deliberately murdered her daughter after listening to the police interviews. I believe I read a few posts where posters were thinking along the same lines.

At first I thought maybe the 'hot car' theory or some accident resulting from casey's neglect of her daughter but now, after reading the documents and listening to the police interviews where casey remains consistantly stoic, Im thinking this;

After the argument casey had with her mom and her mom threatening to kick casey out of the house if she did not get a job, do the right thing etc... casey flipped on her mom and left, already being upset by that and the fact that she MAY have felt that TL was not into having a child around, may have sparked an animosity toward the child and then maybe one evening Caylee lets say, starting crying incessantly and calling for her grandmother (which would make sense because casey even admitted on the police interviews that Caylee would 'miss her grandmother more than her type of thing'. Also friends have commented that Caylee was more attached to grandmom) my point being that maybe Caylee was crying, screaming and freaking out to go back to grandmoms house and casey lost it!!! I could see that happening and then casey loosing it because she is jealous that caylee wants to go home to the grandmom. I think the chloroform used was a half a$$ed atempt to cover up the stains in the car, which were later mentioned by LP as 'blood' stains. The time stamp on the searches of the chloroform would easily explain what the chemical was used for. If it was after the time that Caylee was last seen we could surmise that it was a clean up job, if it was before when Caylee was alive, well one could assume a lot of things there. I really am thinking though with her reactions through all of this, that she is a classical case of a sociopathy.
I am also wondering why Padilla thought that the marine could get answers out of her when she was clearly more involved and seemed to be more in love with TL so that was always the one I would assume would have gotten the answers out of her about what happened but he is certainly laying low and not talking to her anymore. If I were the detectives in this case I would have gotten him to talk to her and find out info secretely, like the LE did with Amber Fry in the SP case! Maybe they did ask him and he refused who knows. Im getting so tired of her lies and no reactions its making me ill. :(

[rosejustrose]

Evening all. I hope I don't get rotten tomatoes thrown at me but here goes.
Considering how Casey seems to be in a stunted social growth pattern and also seems to be very sexually active, I am seriously wondering if there has been sexual abuse in the Anthony home. No one seems to know for sure who the father of Caylee is (very curious), there does not seem to be any family or friends around(more privacy in the family than usual), G & CA filed for divorce(remember the DNA tests Jesse took-was anyone else checked), no one wants to take a lie detector test and more and more I read that we (the public) are going to be very surprised when things come out(about how many men Casey has been with). I realize this is not telling where Caylee is right now but at the same time these things keep adding up in my mind. You often see children that have been sexually abused have no emotions because to them nothing is worse than what has already happened. So, not to be gross but is it possible that GA is Caylees father and he did something to her and the rest of the family is covering? It just seems to me they are trying hard to cover up more than just Casey. JMO

IMO, nobody is going to throw rotten tomatoes at you because in this particular case nothing is beyond the realm of the impossible and nothing can be more shocking than the lack of empathy this family has shown for the missing Caylee. What you have proposed is not beyond the pale and may very well be possible. This family has shown itself to be abnormal at best. IMO. I do agree, they are covering for Casey. Why? IMO.

[Joan Weiss]

As most of you, I have followed this case from its inception. My fervent hope is that Caylee will be found soon and brought to rest. I also beseech that justice be delivered upon ALL involved in death and the coverup. I have two precious granddaughters that I truly cherish and will attend the Baptism of Madison this saturday. As I lay in bed tonight, I will petition Our Lord and His Blessed Mother, Mary by reciting the ROSARY to help protect and bless my Lauren & Maddie

:rose: Caylee

:rose: Lauren

:rose: MaddieAmen, and love to you and yours.

[Oregongal]

After reading your post, I think you are right. I'm so glad you're free of that type of life and I hope you are safe and very happy. I agree with you about Casey. I think she is beyond hope, she has killed her own child, IMO. It's a long road to redemption from there. I wish you nothing but peace, happiness and love all the rest of your life :rose:

Thank you rose, I am safe, still working on happy and your wish for me has brought me to tears.
:rose:

[beetlebrow]

You are right. You are absolutely right..Miss Casey Anthony's interview with LE shows not one iota of a Mother in distress...a Mother that has lost her most precious gift....no heart gut wrenching pain. No cries, screams or panic.............

{{{{{Albini}}}}} I am so sorry. I send my prayers, big old bear hugs and lots of chocolate to you and yours...not a cure, but hopefully will help maneuver the roads ahead of you.

When our daughter was 5 months old...May 31, 1991...her specialist told us to take her home, love her, make her comfortable and plan her funeral because she would never see 5 years old.

She turned 17 last December. She was crowned Prom Queen this past May and Miss Independence at the 4th of July parade at her school. She has amazed the "professionals". She is still working on some goals, but we could not be prouder of her accomplishments.

Please feel free to pm me if you need to vent.

:rose: for You and for your Daughter!

:rose: for Miss Caylee Anthony

Aww Des......what a beautiful story. Many of my clients live way past their prognosis..........LOVE and SUPPORT make all the difference.....there is a reason the angels blessed you with her :rose:

[Joan Weiss]

IMO, nobody is going to throw rotten tomatoes at you because in this particular case nothing is beyond the realm of the impossible and nothing can be more shocking than the lack of empathy this family has shown for the missing Caylee. What you have proposed is not beyond the pale and may very well be possible. This family has shown itself to be abnormal at best. IMO. I do agree, they are covering for Casey. Why? IMO.It appears to me that fixing and covering up is what Cindy does best. She is fighting the world, to deny her reality. imo

[PolyGraph]

barf is he an anonomous donor?

YOu never know after the last time right? Could be good thinking!

[martha]

I do not look at the out side of a person I look at the heart. God looks at the heart. God made us all different. I am sorry for people that do not have the money to take care of them self. Thank God for all of them and the love they show to others. I always try to look past the out side of someone and see the goodness in side them.jmho:rose:

[PolyGraph]

g'nite all.

here's some pics from one of casey's bud's, pre ricardo and tonE. some asked earlier today and just wanted to share in case they missed.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewAlbums2&friendID=296121432&view=true


Ewwwwww!!!! That was nasty, I now do not want my midnight snack! lol Wheres the little throw up icon at??? Boy do these clowns look like a bunch of crazy party animals! Oh here he isbarf

[PolyGraph]

Classy! What a nice looking group of folks! barf

haha you looked and puked too rothf!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Evening all. I hope I don't get rotten tomatoes thrown at me but here goes.
Considering how Casey seems to be in a stunted social growth pattern and also seems to be very sexually active, I am seriously wondering if there has been sexual abuse in the Anthony home. No one seems to know for sure who the father of Caylee is (very curious), there does not seem to be any family or friends around(more privacy in the family than usual), G & CA filed for divorce(remember the DNA tests Jesse took-was anyone else checked), no one wants to take a lie detector test and more and more I read that we (the public) are going to be very surprised when things come out(about how many men Casey has been with). I realize this is not telling where Caylee is right now but at the same time these things keep adding up in my mind. You often see children that have been sexually abused have no emotions because to them nothing is worse than what has already happened. So, not to be gross but is it possible that GA is Caylees father and he did something to her and the rest of the family is covering? It just seems to me they are trying hard to cover up more than just Casey. JMO

When media coverage of Caylee first aired, the elderly parents of either GA or CA appeared in video taken in front of the Anthony home. IRRC, the mother almost fell leaving the home among the many camera people and reporters. I also observed Cindy hugging a female (approximately the same age with similar features) before that individual left in a vehicle. At one of the t-shirt parking lot give-aways, an Casey's Aunt was identified and maybe spoke briefly. Early in the investigation, the Anthony's had a few family supporters. However, I agree apparently keeping appearances and family secrets is important.
jmo

[Joan Weiss]

I dont understand why i posted a new theory on a new thread last night and it just up and disappeared! :shrug: Could an administrator have taken it off for some reason???

Well here is a smaller synopsis of that theory...I am starting to think that Casey deliberately murdered her daughter after listening to the police interviews. I believe I read a few posts where posters were thinking along the same lines.

At first I thought maybe the 'hot car' theory or some accident resulting from casey's neglect of her daughter but now, after reading the documents and listening to the police interviews where casey remains consistantly stoic, Im thinking this;

After the argument casey had with her mom and her mom threatening to kick casey out of the house if she did not get a job, do the right thing etc... casey flipped on her mom and left, already being upset by that and the fact that she MAY have felt that TL was not into having a child around, may have sparked an animosity toward the child and then maybe one evening Caylee lets say, starting crying incessantly and calling for her grandmother (which would make sense because casey even admitted on the police interviews that Caylee would 'miss her grandmother more than her type of thing'. Also friends have commented that Caylee was more attached to grandmom) my point being that maybe Caylee was crying, screaming and freaking out to go back to grandmoms house and casey lost it!!! I could see that happening and then casey loosing it because she is jealous that caylee wants to go home to the grandmom. I think the chloroform used was a half a$$ed atempt to cover up the stains in the car, which were later mentioned by LP as 'blood' stains. The time stamp on the searches of the chloroform would easily explain what the chemical was used for. If it was after the time that Caylee was last seen we could surmise that it was a clean up job, if it was before when Caylee was alive, well one could assume a lot of things there. I really am thinking though with her reactions through all of this, that she is a classical case of a sociopathy.
I am also wondering why Padilla thought that the marine could get answers out of her when she was clearly more involved and seemed to be more in love with TL so that was always the one I would assume would have gotten the answers out of her about what happened but he is certainly laying low and not talking to her anymore. If I were the detectives in this case I would have gotten him to talk to her and find out info secretely, like the LE did with Amber Fry in the SP case! Maybe they did ask him and he refused who knows. Im getting so tired of her lies and no reactions its making me ill. :(Your thread may have gotten merged. Have you searched your posts? I don't think Tony was that wrapped up in Casey. I read his interview with LE, and he said he didn't have time to talk to her at night on the phone. I think he just took what she gave because it was there. I don't think he would do what you suggest. He's probably sorry he ever laid eyes on her. imo

[rosejustrose]

That has been true for myself. I had a terrible home life...nothing that needs discussing here. But I do believe one thing which "saved" me was the teachers, neighbors, and a very dear uncle who welcomed me into their lives. I think they saw my home and family for what they were and "rescued" me when they could. I spent nearly all of every summer and holiday vacation away, these people sent me to camps, had me come over to "help" them around their homes ( that amounted more to eating cookies and having fun than really helping), took me to church and the theatre, etc.
I really believe those bursts of beauty, love, and normalicy helped to save me. I still call and send my uncle cards out of the blue just to tell him what he has meant to me.
If you know of a child or teen who has a hard life, I encourage you to give them some time if you can or at least a smile and a kind word. You'll never know what these things can mean to a child who lives their life in the dark absence of real love.
JMO.
:rose:Caylee, know now that Gods brightest light of love shines on you forever and always.


I guess I didn't realize how wonderful my life was until tonight. On Sep 28th my brothers and sister and I are throwing a surprise 50th Wedding Anniversary party for my parents. Imagine that. 50 years. And, the kids are all in for it. What a wonderful, blessed life I've had to have my brothers and sister and my parents all these many years and to still love them so much. You have no idea how much this means to me and my family. They're coming from all over to be there. It's a wonderful thing. We're all so happy.

Makes me wonder why people like Casey are blessed with children. Caylee didn't even make it to 3 years old. That just makes me heart sick. What's going on in this world. Where have we lost our family values that its okay to kill the kid and rally around the murdering mother.

Bottom line, I feel so blessed. The Anthony family is just cursed by denial. It's going to destroy that family, IMO.

[beetlebrow]

I do not look at the out side of a person I look at the heart. God looks at the heart. God made us all different. I am sorry for people that do not have the money to take care of them self. Thank God for all of them and the love they show to others. I always try to look past the out side of someone and see the goodness in side them.jmho:rose:


You know, I do think Casey is psychopathic and cold and I am not trying to excuse her actions but did u hear the psychologist talking on NG tonight?.......she alluded to the fact that people can become like Casey if they have something really bad happen to them when they are young...kind of like a defense mechanism....

I have truly felt from the beginning that there is a big elephant sitting in the middle of the Anthony's living room that none of us can see.....but the Anthony's can......something that happened long ago.....maybe that is why they can't bring themselves to get mad at Casey :shrug:

[OneUp]

Thank you to all of the posters who have shared personal stories here. They uplift me, whether they ended happily or in tragedy, because they remind me how strong the stuff of the human soul is.
Thank you to each and every poster who has tried to maintain a peaceful discourse today. I know it is hard, I struggle mightily and often fail to do so. It means alot to me that others joined to set aside a day to honor Caylee specifically...let's hope it has created better habits for future posting!:)

This time of year when the rains and Autumn begin to creep in is often hard for me. Caylees case in some ways has helped, but it is hard to allow myself to be in this forum at times too. Sometimes things about this case find small spots within myself that I thought were healed, but that are still deep and painful.

I'm glad I have a place to focus my hurt and my experiences in a relatively healthy way. If I have offended in my time here, please forgive me.

why-me...if anyone throws any soft tomatos at you, I'll try to help you make up some sauce!:)
I still have a niggling feeling that a storm is on the horizon for Casey and her family. I hope that storm is justice, perhaps an awakening to God for some as well.I fear that we haven't seen the end of the tragedy in this case though.
JMO.

[PolyGraph]

I do not look at the out side of a person I look at the heart. God looks at the heart. God made us all different. I am sorry for people that do not have the money to take care of them self. Thank God for all of them and the love they show to others. I always try to look past the out side of someone and see the goodness in side them.jmho:rose:

The heart of those protesters (most of them anyway) In MOO does not look like they are being good christians! They are screaming and cursing and throwing a fit, like a bunch of Jerry Springer throw backs. Im not saying all of them, just the ones Ive seen on NG and other news shows! If they really cared and were able to afford to go out there and sit there and yell at the Anthony's then why not use that time to actually participate in the SEARCH for little Caylee right?

For the Sweetest Little Angel Caylee:rose:

[panokatana]

g'nite all.

here's some pics from one of casey's bud's, pre ricardo and tonE. some asked earlier today and just wanted to share in case they missed.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewAlbums2&friendID=296121432&view=true

Wow. Their parents must be proud! Can you imagine some mother, surfing the net for Caylee information...and stumbles on these. "Goodness! THAT'S what happened to my THONG! And I blamed your father...JUUUUUNNNIOR." I can understand TonE and Clint not thinking this is a good environment for a child. (Although, I don't believe this is their apartment...still...she seemed to surround herself with this style of life.)
Too bad Cindy wasn't perusing the net for disparaging words about her daughter a back then.

JMO

[SaraSidle]

I think it was for them. Remember, it dissipates quickly in the body, and is relatively undetectable in a few hours. imo

I have thought that for a while actually. IMO

[Joan Weiss]

Ewwwwww!!!! That was nasty, I now do not want my midnight snack! lol Wheres the little throw up icon at??? Boy do these clowns look like a bunch of crazy party animals! Oh here he isbarfPlease stop quoting that disgusting stuff. :mad:

[PolyGraph]

Your thread may have gotten merged. Have you searched your posts? I don't think Tony was that wrapped up in Casey. I read his interview with LE, and he said he didn't have time to talk to her at night on the phone. I think he just took what she gave because it was there. I don't think he would do what you suggest. He's probably sorry he ever laid eyes on her. imo

Yeah that seems true because he is doing a great job of avoiding her and the media spotlight somehow!

[panokatana]

You know, I do think Casey is psychopathic and cold and I am not trying to excuse her actions but did u hear the psychologist talking on NG tonight?.......she alluded to the fact that people can become like Casey if they have something really bad happen to them when they are young...kind of like a defense mechanism....

I have truly felt from the beginning that there is a big elephant sitting in the middle of the Anthony's living room that none of us can see.....but the Anthony's can......something that happened long ago.....maybe that is why they can't bring themselves to get mad at Casey :shrug:

Maybe Cindy was her babysitter and kidnapped her...took her to Florida. :shrug:

[tiny paw-prints]

IIRC - the conclusion on this is "concrete was not poured" - pavers were inset for the playhouse to sit on. There are several threads where this has been a topic. Probably if you search by concrete slab - search for posts, it will be easy to find.

AllMO:)

If I came to the wrong conclusion - please let me know!

I agree. There was no concrete poured. Pavers are the handiman's ideal choice instead of using the process of mixing concrete, etc.

An aerial view of the backyard does show there were a lot of pavers; a very large section for patio furniture, under the playhouse for a makeshift foundation, as well as along one side of the garage for stepping stones, and other places.

[PolyGraph]

Please stop quoting that disgusting stuff. :mad:


Ok no problem! I know what you mean yuck haha

[rosejustrose]

It appears to me that fixing and covering up is what Cindy does best. She is fighting the world, to deny her reality. imo
''
ITA, to deny her reality, very insightful, Joan.

[why-me]

Thank you to all of the posters who have shared personal stories here. They uplift me, whether they ended happily or in tragedy, because they remind me how strong the stuff of the human soul is.
Thank you to each and every poster who has tried to maintain a peaceful discourse today. I know it is hard, I struggle mightily and often fail to do so. It means alot to me that others joined to set aside a day to honor Caylee specifically...let's hope it has created better habits for future posting!:)

This time of year when the rains and Autumn begin to creep in is often hard for me. Caylees case in some ways has helped, but it is hard to allow myself to be in this forum at times too. Sometimes things about this case find small spots within myself that I thought were healed, but that are still deep and painful.

I'm glad I have a place to focus my hurt and my experiences in a relatively healthy way. If I have offended in my time here, please forgive me.

why-me...if anyone throws any soft tomatos at you, I'll try to help you make up some sauce!:)
I still have a niggling feeling that a storm is on the horizon for Casey and her family. I hope that storm is justice, perhaps an awakening to God for some as well.I fear that we haven't seen the end of the tragedy in this case though.
JMO.

Very very well said and thank you

[desmom]

g'nite all.

here's some pics from one of casey's bud's, pre ricardo and tonE. some asked earlier today and just wanted to share in case they missed.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewAlbums2&friendID=296121432&view=true


Every time I see Miss Casey Anthony with the American Flag wrapped around her body tied up in a knot at her hips, I just want to :punch: her!

Signed,

USMC Veteran's Wife!

jmo

[Joan Weiss]

The heart of those protesters (most of them anyway) In MOO does not look like they are being good christians! They are screaming and cursing and throwing a fit, like a bunch of Jerry Springer throw backs. Im not saying all of them, just the ones Ive seen on NG and other news shows! If they really cared and were able to afford to go out there and sit there and yell at the Anthony's then why not use that time to actually participate in the SEARCH for little Caylee right?

For the Sweetest Little Angel Caylee:rose:IIRC, some of them did, and came over after the search.

Some of them brought their children, I think they couldn't afford a babysitter.

It's not up to you to judge. Who are you to say what's in their hearts? Christian comes in many guises.

They sure were speaking Cindy and Casey's language, yep, on that I will agree. I think Cindy "gets" it. That's why she's so mad. She ran right over to that car, jumped right in to the pig pen. Like attracts like, don't you think? imo

[Joan Weiss]

Every time I see Miss Casey Anthony with the American Flag wrapped around her body tied up in a knot at her hips, I just want to :punch: her!

Signed,

USMC Veteran's Wife!

jmoI agree. The irony of that is that it's that flag that protects her now. imo

[OneUp]

Every time I see Miss Casey Anthony with the American Flag wrapped around her body tied up in a knot at her hips, I just want to :punch: her!

Signed,

USMC Veteran's Wife!

jmoIf you're close enough to reach...could you give her one for me too?
...those pictures? I did some things I am no way admitting on here when I was young, LOL. But the Teddy Bear thong made me...uneasy to say the least!

[Boxer]

I'm goin night night. I have special plans tomorrow and am excited! but need to sleep. See y'all later.:seeya:

[Joan Weiss]

''
ITA, to deny her reality, very insightful, Joan.Thank you, Rose. If nothing was there to fight, I wonder if she would go mad?

[desmom]

I'm goin night night. I have special plans tomorrow and am excited! but need to sleep. See y'all later.:seeya:

Night! :seeya:

[why-me]

If you're close enough to reach...could you give her one for me too?
...those pictures? I did some things I am no way admitting on here when I was young, LOL. But the Teddy Bear thong made me...uneasy to say the least!

I was think at least she was covered up which is more than I can say for most at that party. I sincerely hope Caylee was never subjected to parties like that.

[why-me]

I'm goin night night. I have special plans tomorrow and am excited! but need to sleep. See y'all later.:seeya:

Good night Boxer

[OneUp]

Who was it that said yesterday that Cindy knew the call to get these people running? LOL I said Yeppers! if you give a turkey call....the turkeys come running!!...if Cindy doesn't want to deal with ttrash talking yahoos, then she had better step up and behave herself. Like attracts like you know?
JMO.

[VII]

Evening all. I hope I don't get rotten tomatoes thrown at me but here goes.
Considering how Casey seems to be in a stunted social growth pattern and also seems to be very sexually active, I am seriously wondering if there has been sexual abuse in the Anthony home. No one seems to know for sure who the father of Caylee is (very curious), there does not seem to be any family or friends around(more privacy in the family than usual), G & CA filed for divorce(remember the DNA tests Jesse took-was anyone else checked), no one wants to take a lie detector test and more and more I read that we (the public) are going to be very surprised when things come out(about how many men Casey has been with). I realize this is not telling where Caylee is right now but at the same time these things keep adding up in my mind. You often see children that have been sexually abused have no emotions because to them nothing is worse than what has already happened. So, not to be gross but is it possible that GA is Caylees father and he did something to her and the rest of the family is covering? It just seems to me they are trying hard to cover up more than just Casey. JMO


Understand your concern, butt, I think they could use mitochondrial dna to rule George in/out and has probably been done.

G and C problems could be more from a difference in opinion about what to DO with her vs trying to hide skeletons in the closet.


I'm surpised they are still together.

for what it's worth

[OneUp]

I'm goin night night. I have special plans tomorrow and am excited! but need to sleep. See y'all later.:seeya:Enjoy your day tomorrow Boxer!
Time for bed in a sec. here too!
No ho-down at the anthony house tonight I guess!

[why-me]

I haven't been on much for a few days but I had to laugh when I saw Casey with different sunglasses and jeans on...guess she is listening/reading here.

[Joan Weiss]

That has been true for myself. I had a terrible home life...nothing that needs discussing here. But I do believe one thing which "saved" me was the teachers, neighbors, and a very dear uncle who welcomed me into their lives. I think they saw my home and family for what they were and "rescued" me when they could. I spent nearly all of every summer and holiday vacation away, these people sent me to camps, had me come over to "help" them around their homes ( that amounted more to eating cookies and having fun than really helping), took me to church and the theatre, etc.
I really believe those bursts of beauty, love, and normalicy helped to save me. I still call and send my uncle cards out of the blue just to tell him what he has meant to me.
If you know of a child or teen who has a hard life, I encourage you to give them some time if you can or at least a smile and a kind word. You'll never know what these things can mean to a child who lives their life in the dark absence of real love.
JMO.
:rose:Caylee, know now that Gods brightest light of love shines on you forever and always.You have been given a heavy load. I believe it has opened your heart to understanding. That's a very special gift. :rose:

[OneUp]

I am not suprised. He knows what a crazy HOO-HA Cindy is...she would take him for everyting he has if they were to divorce. It is better to keep the misery & the money (imo):lol:...you said Hoo-Ha! I thought my family cornered the market on that term...I'm pretty certain it means the same thing to us as it does to you...LOL, "fine effecient lady", right? No...I get it goofy.

[Joan Weiss]

I haven't been on much for a few days but I had to laugh when I saw Casey with different sunglasses and jeans on...guess she is listening/reading here.I noticed that, too!

[boo]

So many of you have such amazing, heartfelt stories. I am continually amazed at the strength and wisdom here.

With that said, Desmom, you and your daughter are a constant inspiration to me and Caylee should have been so lucky as to have a mommy like you.

Lisa

[OneUp]

Night night time in our home now.
Thanks again, maybe we will soon get a hint about what this whole California trip was about!

[tiny paw-prints]

:rose: fabulous! I love these kind of stories. and I'm still working on goals too....

:rose: Ditto! Me too...

I'm still working on goals 27 yrs later with a new addition of 2 beautiful grandchildren...

[Joan Weiss]

Who was it that said yesterday that Cindy knew the call to get these people running? LOL I said Yeppers! if you give a turkey call....the turkeys come running!!...if Cindy doesn't want to deal with ttrash talking yahoos, then she had better step up and behave herself. Like attracts like you know?
JMO.Oh, ha,ha, I said the same thing! :cool:

[SaraSidle]

After reading your post, I think you are right. I'm so glad you're free of that type of life and I hope you are safe and very happy. I agree with you about Casey. I think she is beyond hope, she has killed her own child, IMO. It's a long road to redemption from there. I wish you nothing but peace, happiness and love all the rest of your life :rose:

Rose that is so wonderful of you to say and as usual ITA. Sara

[Joan Weiss]

Out of the many things regarding Caylee that go through my mind that keeps me up at night... tonight I find myself wondering about Caylee's father. I started a thread with my thoughts on this:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=340461Hi, Lorakai. :seeya: I'm going to bed, but I will visit your thread tomorrow. Have a good night. :)

[beetlebrow]

Understand your concern, butt, I think they could use mitochondrial dna to rule George in/out and has probably been done.

G and C problems could be more from a difference in opinion about what to DO with her vs trying to hide skeletons in the closet.


I'm surpised they are still together.

for what it's worth

I don't think it was someone in her family.......but whatever happened, she blames her mom/dad for not protecting her......IMO

[rosejustrose]

I have thought that for a while actually. IMO

Sara,

It's so good to see you here. I hope you share your insights because they will greatly appreciated.

Rose

[Duckaroo]

Moving this to here, hope I'm in the right thread now lol I posted this in another thread:

As far as Zanny goes, I would think someone would have to know this woman or know of her, other than just Casey. I know that there are a number of Zenaida's but, you'd think if one, aside from those that have already been found and contacted, had actually lived in that area or even close to it..surely she would have had some kind of contact with other people, so that someone else in that area would have been able to come forward and say hey, wait I know/knew a Zenaida that lived around here.

Plus, in part of her interview when they confront her with the fact that no one ever lived in that Apt, Casey's response then becomes that she dropped her off at the stairs. But, what could be her excuse for the rest of the days? That she always just "dropped her off at the stairs"? As far as my child is concerned, and I'm sure most other parents would agree, if I'm taking my kid to a babysitter, I'm going to go in the house and check things out..I know I would do that right in the beginning before I left my child there. Who would allow someone to watch their child for that length of time without ever checking out their house/apt at some point? Make sure it's clean, there's no shady characters sitting around or hanging out with the sitter, etc. If I understood correctly, Casey claims to have known Zanny for close to 4 years, so she just hung around the stairs and talked to her for 4 yrs or what? It's ridiculous.

Of course, that's if we were to believe she existed to begin with.

[SaraSidle]

I guess I didn't realize how wonderful my life was until tonight. On Sep 28th my brothers and sister and I are throwing a surprise 50th Wedding Anniversary party for my parents. Imagine that. 50 years. And, the kids are all in for it. What a wonderful, blessed life I've had to have my brothers and sister and my parents all these many years and to still love them so much. You have no idea how much this means to me and my family. They're coming from all over to be there. It's a wonderful thing. We're all so happy.

Makes me wonder why people like Casey are blessed with children. Caylee didn't even make it to 3 years old. That just makes me heart sick. What's going on in this world. Where have we lost our family values that its okay to kill the kid and rally around the murdering mother.

Bottom line, I feel so blessed. The Anthony family is just cursed by denial. It's going to destroy that family, IMO.

Rose please hang on to this. take pictures. my last anniversary party for my parents were their 36th and then they passed. I am okay about it but I always push people with parents to not let a minute go by. Sara

[PolyGraph]

IIRC, some of them did, and came over after the search.

Some of them brought their children, I think they couldn't afford a babysitter.

It's not up to you to judge. Who are you to say what's in their hearts? Christian comes in many guises.

They sure were speaking Cindy and Casey's language, yep, on that I will agree. I think Cindy "gets" it. That's why she's so mad. She ran right over to that car, jumped right in to the pig pen. Like attracts like, don't you think? imo

I was specifically refering to the screaming, yelling, angry lynch mob protesters, I thought I made that clear in my post. Sorry you didnt get it! And you asked me who am I to judge? Isnt that exactly what you are doing posting negative things about the Anthonys? Who are you to say what is in Cindy Anthony's heart???

I have repeatedly tried NOT to bash the grandparents because in my oppinion, even though I do not agree with what they do, they are going through an unbelievably difficult time, they were not the ones IMOO that harmed Caylee so I do not understand what the protesters are trying to gain by standing in their front yard as if that would change the fate of anything. MOO

[desmom]

So many of you have such amazing, heartfelt stories. I am continually amazed at the strength and wisdom here.

With that said, Desmom, you and your daughter are a constant inspiration to me and Caylee should have been so lucky as to have a mommy like you.

Lisa


You are too kind. I did what I had to do and I still do what I have to do.

Maybe that is why I am drawn to certain cases...they confuse me.

Casey confuses me with her lies, her lack of panic, distress and tears.

It makes no sense to me.

jmo

[SaraSidle]

Hello :) how is everyone tonight?

tired and frustrated. how are you

[why-me]

Bedtime for me also Good Night dear friends and God Bless dear little Caylee

[PolyGraph]

Moving this to here, hope I'm in the right thread now lol I posted this in another thread:

As far as Zanny goes, I would think someone would have to know this woman or know of her, other than just Casey. I know that there are a number of Zenaida's but, you'd think if one, aside from those that have already been found and contacted, had actually lived in that area or even close to it..surely she would have had some kind of contact with other people, so that someone else in that area would have been able to come forward and say hey, wait I know/knew a Zenaida that lived around here.

Plus, in part of her interview when they confront her with the fact that no one ever lived in that Apt, Casey's response then becomes that she dropped her off at the stairs. But, what could be her excuse for the rest of the days? That she always just "dropped her off at the stairs"? As far as my child is concerned, and I'm sure most other parents would agree, if I'm taking my kid to a babysitter, I'm going to go in the house and check things out..I know I would do that right in the beginning before I left my child there. Who would allow someone to watch their child for that length of time without ever checking out their house/apt at some point? Make sure it's clean, there's no shady characters sitting around or hanging out with the sitter, etc. If I understood correctly, Casey claims to have known Zanny for close to 4 years, so she just hung around the stairs and talked to her for 4 yrs or what? It's ridiculous.

Of course, that's if we were to believe she existed to begin with.

You'd be surprised at the things some younger moms do when it comes to their children! I have seen girls I know in my own neighborhood let their children stay with anyone! I know a girl right now who is leaving her baby alone with her drunk mother during the day and doesnt even seemed concerned?!?

and ITA that caseys story is rediculous! Ive known Zanny for 4 years and all of a sudden now she decides out of nowhere to kidnap my child???:lol:

[SaraSidle]

I haven't been on much for a few days but I had to laugh when I saw Casey with different sunglasses and jeans on...guess she is listening/reading here.

I thought the same thing!!!!!!!

[Oregongal]

I know this is old news but I'm surprised that more is not being made of the chloroform that was detected in Casey's car. It just seems so undeniably incriminating...
Has anyone heard whether Cindy or George have been asked about the chloroform and have they offered up any explanation whatsoever??

Hi and welcome hanlil :seeya:
The detection of the chloroform seems to me to be something that was brought out and then dropped. My thinking is that LE has asked that it not be discussed any more right now...maybe because it is so incriminating. :shrug:
I have not read or seen anything from C&G regarding it. Several on this board have talked about them maybe using it to clean out the trunk because of the smell. But, I don't recall G&C saying anything about chloroform in any way.
I heard something on NG tonight that their co-operation, their talking with LE had suddenly stopped. My thought was they stopped communicating with LE bcause it may have something to do with the chloroform. Maybe they know they had nothing to do with chloroform in any way and they just don't want to go there. If they commented on it, it could possibly incriminate Casey and in their protective mode of her don't want to be questioned about it. It could even be with their denial and protectivness of Casey, there was a glimmer within them that Casey may have done something horrible to Caylee and when this choloroform info hit them it may have lit that glimmer into full light and brought them to realization that their daughter killed her daughter, their grandaughter.
This is my opinion of why George and Cindy have offered no explantion or even talked about the cholorform issue.

[desmom]

Good Night All!

For Our Little Miss Caylee Anthony :rose:

[Takotna]

Understand your concern, butt, I think they could use mitochondrial dna to rule George in/out and has probably been done.

G and C problems could be more from a difference in opinion about what to DO with her vs trying to hide skeletons in the closet.


I'm surpised they are still together.

for what it's worth


Everyone knows by now I have serious questions about G! - I've begun to wonder more and more how much time G was even spending at the house prior to and during June. They may only be together now because of this situation? In the GVS interviews C/G seem to be doublechecking eachother alot - like the story with the gas cans. And one or the other of them will say - you'll have to ask George.

I think there may not be one big elephant in the room - but maybe a whole collection of lesser vermin. Appearances seem to be important to Cindy -IMO there's such a collection of dirt under her rug it's about to pop out all over.

This kind of secrecy often fosters isolation - many of us have noticed the isolation of this family (having a socio in the family is also isolating - but that's another story!)

BTW - Where's George?

AllMO:)

[hanlil]

Hi and welcome hanlil :seeya:
The detection of the chloroform seems to me to be something that was brought out and then dropped. My thinking is that LE has asked that it not be discussed any more right now...maybe because it is so incriminating. :shrug:
I have not read or seen anything from C&G regarding it. Several on this board have talked about them maybe using it to clean out the trunk because of the smell. But, I don't recall G&C saying anything about chloroform in any way.
I heard something on NG tonight that their co-operation, their talking with LE had suddenly stopped. My thought was they stopped communicating with LE bcause it may have something to do with the chloroform. Maybe they know they had nothing to do with chloroform in any way and they just don't want to go there. If they commented on it, it could possibly incriminate Casey and in their protective mode of her don't want to be questioned about it. It could even be with their denial and protectivness of Casey, there was a glimmer within them that Casey may have done something horrible to Caylee and when this choloroform info hit them it may have lit that glimmer into full light and brought them to realization that their daughter killed her daughter, their grandaughter.
This is my opinion of why George and Cindy have offered no explantion or even talked about the cholorform issue.

Thanks for the welcome! I totally agree with you. They know the chloroform evidence is bad and there is nothing they can say to defend it.

[rosejustrose]

Oh my goodness! I just realized it's after 1 o'clock in the morning and I have to go to work in the morning! It has truly been a wonderful day and evening during this day of peace for Caylee. I feel like I have come to know so many of you all in such a wonderful way. I'm sure the good Lord is looking on us all and thanking us for taking this day to show respect, peace and love for not only Caylee, but for each other. I learned a valuable lesson today from the sharing of thoughts and experiences that were posted, we are all blessed in one way or the other. So much more than the little angel that brought us all together, Caylee. Before we all bid each other good night, I ask that you say a pray for Caylee that she may feel safe and forgive all the harm that has come to her so that she may rest easily and peacefully for all eternity. No harm will ever come to her again. Peace be with you all. Good night. Rose :rose:

[Oregongal]

I'm glad to see you say this joanie! I can't stand when some make fun of people appearances, accents, apparent socio-economic satus, percieved genetic defects, you get the gist.
The cackling at " Grandma jack o'lantern" last night is just unacceptable...Judge the woman for how she has allowed her grandchild to be victimized, but to poke fun at her teeth! Geesh! and that from posters who chide myself and others for "judging" the Anthony family..tsk. tsk. :no: At least they are related to the subject at hand...Caylee and how & why she is gone. I find their actions and behavior to be lacking.
I judge people based upon their actions, not their circumstances, not the ir"station" in life, and certainly not on their appearance. I find that inexcusable and juvenile in the extreme. I am just human, and not above judgemental behavior myself.
JMO.
I hope those who did so are at least ashamed enough of themselves to cut other people some slack when they get annoyed with Cindy, George, Lee, and most of all Casey.
If I'd say I hate anyone, it would be a hypocrite.
That is also my opinion...

Bravo OneUp, you said it much better than I could.
:beer:
:rose:

[Takotna]

Hi and welcome hanlil :seeya:
The detection of the chloroform seems to me to be something that was brought out and then dropped. My thinking is that LE has asked that it not be discussed any more right now...maybe because it is so incriminating. :shrug:
I have not read or seen anything from C&G regarding it. Several on this board have talked about them maybe using it to clean out the trunk because of the smell. But, I don't recall G&C saying anything about chloroform in any way.
I heard something on NG tonight that their co-operation, their talking with LE had suddenly stopped. My thought was they stopped communicating with LE bcause it may have something to do with the chloroform. Maybe they know they had nothing to do with chloroform in any way and they just don't want to go there. If they commented on it, it could possibly incriminate Casey and in their protective mode of her don't want to be questioned about it. It could even be with their denial and protectivness of Casey, there was a glimmer within them that Casey may have done something horrible to Caylee and when this choloroform info hit them it may have lit that glimmer into full light and brought them to realization that their daughter killed her daughter, their grandaughter.
This is my opinion of why George and Cindy have offered no explantion or even talked about the cholorform issue.

I think you're right about them being mum on the issue - isn't that the day they hired their attorney?

If I were him I'd definitely tell them to stay away from the chloroform subject! They may be hoping this subject will evaoprate.....:D

AllMO

[PolyGraph]

Thanks for the welcome! I totally agree with you. They know the chloroform evidence is bad and there is nothing they can say to defend it.

ITA, I was thinking the same thing! But her lawyer could possibly say that Casey was using it to clean out some innocuous little stain out of the trunk of her car lol, but I dont think that would fly with the jury haha:chicken:

[PolyGraph]

Oh my goodness! I just realized it's after 1 o'clock in the morning and I have to go to work in the morning! It has truly been a wonderful day and evening during this day of peace for Caylee. I feel like I have come to know so many of you all in such a wonderful way. I'm sure the good Lord is looking on us all and thanking us for taking this day to show respect, peace and love for not only Caylee, but for each other. I learned a valuable lesson today from the sharing of thoughts and experiences that were posted, we are all blessed in one way or the other. So much more than the little angel that brought us all together, Caylee. Before we all bid each other good night, I ask that you say a pray for Caylee that she may feel safe and forgive all the harm that has come to her so that she may rest easily and peacefully for all eternity. No harm will ever come to her again. Peace be with you all. Good night. Rose :rose:

Peace be with you too! and little Caylee:rose:

[rosejustrose]

Wonderful post Rose. the posts tonight have brought tears to my eyes and made me feel wonderful about all the strength in this thread.
''

Sara - many us made this thread very strong today by committing to a day of peace dedicated to Caylee. That's why you feel the strength and love in this thread. We were here for Caylee, only Caylee. May her little soul soar high and free. I pray she is happy and safe and knows that she is loved by many. Our day of peace is over but I somehow think it has tempered our anger and our bitter tongues. We'll see. God Bless and good night. Rose

[SaraSidle]

Moving this to here, hope I'm in the right thread now lol I posted this in another thread:

As far as Zanny goes, I would think someone would have to know this woman or know of her, other than just Casey. I know that there are a number of Zenaida's but, you'd think if one, aside from those that have already been found and contacted, had actually lived in that area or even close to it..surely she would have had some kind of contact with other people, so that someone else in that area would have been able to come forward and say hey, wait I know/knew a Zenaida that lived around here.

Plus, in part of her interview when they confront her with the fact that no one ever lived in that Apt, Casey's response then becomes that she dropped her off at the stairs. But, what could be her excuse for the rest of the days? That she always just "dropped her off at the stairs"? As far as my child is concerned, and I'm sure most other parents would agree, if I'm taking my kid to a babysitter, I'm going to go in the house and check things out..I know I would do that right in the beginning before I left my child there. Who would allow someone to watch their child for that length of time without ever checking out their house/apt at some point? Make sure it's clean, there's no shady characters sitting around or hanging out with the sitter, etc. If I understood correctly, Casey claims to have known Zanny for close to 4 years, so she just hung around the stairs and talked to her for 4 yrs or what? It's ridiculous.

Of course, that's if we were to believe she existed to begin with.

Well I think there is a link from Zenaida and Kiomarie. I think they are related and Kiomarie baby sat Zenaida's children I believe Zenaida lived acoss the street from the Sawgrass apts. Kiomarie grew up with Casey but was not allowed over when Cindy was home because rumor had it that Cindy was not fond of hispanics. Kiomarie could also not have children and offered to adopt Caylee. And don't you think it was a coincidence that Zenaida had been to those apts and Casey mentioned that. Mind you I am not supporting Casey one iota but the rest does seem strange. I have read this in links on other message boards so maybe it is all false. But if it isnt it certainly is strange. IMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Who are you to say that "it's not up to you to Judge" ?

That's exactly what you are doing on this very board as is everyone else.

I guess you only see it in others though, and not yourself.


Don't worry, be happy.

When Lady Justice comes strolling along, there will be 12 jurors who will be seated to judge.

:rose: Peace, dignity and justice for Caylee.

[luvinlife]

ITA, I was thinking the same thing! But her lawyer could possibly say that Casey was using it to clean out some innocuous little stain out of the trunk of her car lol, but I dont think that would fly with the jury haha:chicken:


I just wanted to say, that I have thought the same thing reguarding your theory on Casey killing Caylee. I have always thought that she either planned on killing her or killed her in a rage.

The chloroform how could one clean with chloroform and not be knocked out. I realize it is in some cleaning products, but not at high enough levels to knock you out. Pure chloroform is what the chemist felt it would be and that would knock you out or kill you no??

I believe that if there is chloroform it was used because she wanted to fake the kidnapper story and thought ooohh I need chloroform to make it believable (not , plus she never mentioned it) or she used it to kill Caylee with. moo

[hanlil]

ITA, I was thinking the same thing! But her lawyer could possibly say that Casey was using it to clean out some innocuous little stain out of the trunk of her car lol, but I dont think that would fly with the jury haha:chicken:

I don't think that would fly either. Who cares enough about a stain in their trunk that they would use chloroform to clean it up?? Who even uses chloroform anyway? This will definitely be a strong part of the prosecution's case if this goes to trial.

[Oregongal]

Evening all. I hope I don't get rotten tomatoes thrown at me but here goes.
Considering how Casey seems to be in a stunted social growth pattern and also seems to be very sexually active, I am seriously wondering if there has been sexual abuse in the Anthony home. No one seems to know for sure who the father of Caylee is (very curious), there does not seem to be any family or friends around(more privacy in the family than usual), G & CA filed for divorce(remember the DNA tests Jesse took-was anyone else checked), no one wants to take a lie detector test and more and more I read that we (the public) are going to be very surprised when things come out(about how many men Casey has been with). I realize this is not telling where Caylee is right now but at the same time these things keep adding up in my mind. You often see children that have been sexually abused have no emotions because to them nothing is worse than what has already happened. So, not to be gross but is it possible that GA is Caylees father and he did something to her and the rest of the family is covering? It just seems to me they are trying hard to cover up more than just Casey. JMO

why-me, I would never throw any tomatoes at you. I've also said as you did, only I asked for ripe tomatoes to be thrown at me.
Tho, right now wouldn't mind some green tomatoes so I could fry them up. :D
Many nights ago, I brought up this very thing. I say nights because during the day there are those who would throw those tomatoes. For a very long time I have wondered if Casey was sexually abused. She shows all the symptoms. I know, been there, done that and have gone thru counseling. My DD has also experienced it so I have double knowledge. I also have a book and work book that spells out these symtoms and behaviors.
I will not go so far as to accuse or intimate who may have abused her, but would not be surprised if one of the males in her family did abuse her. Some have suggested that Lee could be Caylee's father. It could have also been a close friend of the family. But the fact that there is so much denial, there is isolation from extended family members says to me there is much that is hidden within this family.
With my experiences, what I've learned thru counseling, what I've researched...I would not surprised if GA was Caylee's father. I would be sickened, but not surprised.
I agree that they are covering up more than just Casey. This family is hiding more than we know. I'm waiting for that one rock to be upturned to see what is crawling beneath. Whatever is crawling around and hiding will eventually be exposed.
None of it will excuse what Casey may have done to Caylee. There is no excuse for the willfull death of a child. But, it may shed a bit of light on the motive behind it. And as you said why-me, it may not find Caylee, but I believe it is a big clue to the motive of why Caylee is gone.

[Oregongal]

Thank you to all of the posters who have shared personal stories here. They uplift me, whether they ended happily or in tragedy, because they remind me how strong the stuff of the human soul is.
Thank you to each and every poster who has tried to maintain a peaceful discourse today. I know it is hard, I struggle mightily and often fail to do so. It means alot to me that others joined to set aside a day to honor Caylee specifically...let's hope it has created better habits for future posting!:)

This time of year when the rains and Autumn begin to creep in is often hard for me. Caylees case in some ways has helped, but it is hard to allow myself to be in this forum at times too. Sometimes things about this case find small spots within myself that I thought were healed, but that are still deep and painful.

I'm glad I have a place to focus my hurt and my experiences in a relatively healthy way. If I have offended in my time here, please forgive me.

why-me...if anyone throws any soft tomatos at you, I'll try to help you make up some sauce!:)
I still have a niggling feeling that a storm is on the horizon for Casey and her family. I hope that storm is justice, perhaps an awakening to God for some as well.I fear that we haven't seen the end of the tragedy in this case though.
JMO.

OMG O.U., I'm weeping with your words. I want to say thank you for all you've given me. Your love and spirit just flows and I for one have been blessed many times by your posts.
You are and will continue to be in my prayers.
:rose:

[luvinlife]

Judge Napalotanio is interviewed after Casey Anthony is released from jail


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7446755&version=1&locale=EN-US

[spageddy]

I haven't been on much for a few days but I had to laugh when I saw Casey with different sunglasses and jeans on...guess she is listening/reading here.

:lol: In that case:
CASEY: Lose the rosary beads.

[AlohaRainbow]

I'll need y'all too - to explain why I have searches for chloroform, decomp, etc. on my computer!
yeah, right... call attention to ourselves by volunteering to explain away your searches... and end up being charged with conspiracy right along with you because searches for chloroform, decomp, etc. were found on OUR computers, too :rolleyes:

:D

[Magnum357]

I believe it a world more likey that the chloroform was the result of cross contamination by LE, in the course of their investigation. Casey had nothing to do with chloroform, imo imol imo


Cross contamination from where? Where did it originate?

[Oregongal]

For all who have said good night while I was posting and/or catching up...thank you for your wonderful, caring posts. For sharing your personal stories tonight because I think they help us all in our trying to understand just wth is going on with this case. It's obvious to me that you all are here because you care and love lil Caylee.
My prayers are with you all. Good night, sleep well and maybe tomorrow will be the day Caylee is found.
For all of you and for Caylee
:rose:

[mosey2]

barf


Since today was designated peace for Caylee day, it makes this post even more disturbing, then it would have been on any day. I just wonder how you would feel if a complete stranger who had happened to see a tiny glimpse of your life, decided it would be okay to publically accuse your husband of doing the same thing to your daughter, as you so freely do here.
barf
After reading this post, I feel it neccessary to split hairs. The post was made at 00:07 on Sept 17th.
That aside, how would you feel if your daughter, whom you raised, was responsible for your granddaughter's death. Perhaps your outrage is a tad mis-directed?

[Magnum357]

I heard it from Dr. Kobilinsky. He once said that he thought it more likely to have come from LE, when they processed the car.

Why would LE use chloroform to process a car? Do you happen to have a link?

[mosey2]

I believe it a world more likey that the chloroform was the result of cross contamination by LE, in the course of their investigation. Casey had nothing to do with chloroform, imo imol imo
I guess a computer forensic guy plugged his wifi card in and googled "chloroform" on the internet while it was in his possession as well. How will he be able to change the dates, though? Just curious.:rolleyes:

[Oregongal]

I'm saying good night.
I'm beginning to see that the thread is possibly going to a place I would rather not participate in.
I guess some have been watching the clock to know it's the day after our Peace for Caylee and when they could yet again start attacking and posting the barf icon.
For the ones who are not into that...may I suggest you skip and scroll or say as I....
Good night all.
For Caylee
:rose:

[mosey2]

I'm saying good night.
I'm beginning to see that the thread is possibly going to a place I would rather not participate in.
I guess some have been watching the clock to know it's the day after our Peace for Caylee and when they could yet again start attacking and posting the barf icon.
For the ones who are not into that...may I suggest you skip and scroll or say as I....
Good night all.
For Caylee
:rose:
Sorry OG. But sometimes...
I'll try to :cool:be nice

[forensicnut]

I assure you my outrage is well placed. How would I feel? I think anybody would feel the complete and utter devastion that Cindy is experiencing. But even if my daughter was the most villified, hated person on the planet, I would continue to love her, as a Mothers love should be unconditional. I can't think of anyone that I have felt more sorry for, than Cindy. A little humanity and compassion is what I think Caylee would want for her beloved grandparents.

imo

Bravo! Couldnt have said it better myself!

[mosey2]

I don't believe Casey had anything to do with chloroform, either in her car or on her computer. I think LE has been playing games to gain an advantage. imo

There is no atvantage to be gained from LE lying on official documents. It would not bode well for the prosecution during trial. And that is the end they are working for. You know that credibility is one of the most important points in a good legal strategy. I really dont think they are willing to take that risk, for the sort-run advantage gain.
Casey, on the otherhand couldn't have less credibility if she tried will all her heart (assuming one even exists)
Think about it.

[mosey2]

I assure you my outrage is well placed. How would I feel? I think anybody would feel the complete and utter devastion that Cindy is experiencing. But even if my daughter was the most villified, hated person on the planet, I would continue to love her, as a Mothers love should be unconditional. I can't think of anyone that I have felt more sorry for, than Cindy. A little humanity and compassion is what I think Caylee would want for her beloved grandparents.

imo
Cindy is a big girl. I really dont think someone's comment on a board set up to share opinions on current topics will devistate her too terribly much. But your reaction to what was said shows a delicate soul, and that is always OK. I've seen Cindy in action, as we all have, and I really believe she can handle what comes her way.
You see Cindy as a victim, further victimized, but your comments accussing LE of nefarious deeds is accusatory too, and I take offense at that. It might have something to do with my hubby being a cop.

[Magnum357]

I'm saying good night.
I'm beginning to see that the thread is possibly going to a place I would rather not participate in.
I guess some have been watching the clock to know it's the day after our Peace for Caylee and when they could yet again start attacking and posting the barf icon.
For the ones who are not into that...may I suggest you skip and scroll or say as I....
Good night all.
For Caylee
:rose:

What the heck are you talking about? We've been discussing the chloroform and there has been no attacking. Sheesh! No need to insult the people who are still posting just because you're leaving.

[Magnum357]

I don't believe Casey had anything to do with chloroform, either in her car or on her computer. I think LE has been playing games to gain an advantage. imo

What advantage do you feel they would gain by lying?

[Magnum357]

:lol:


You think LE was looking for chloroform on Casey's computer???
Oh my ..

I think AP meant looking for searches that Casey did on her computer regarding chloroform.

[mosey2]

For starters..tainting the jury pool. Have you seen the posts by the thousands, of all the wild theories of how Casey used chloroform to kill, used it as a babysitter. Blah blah blah. It had the perfect sinister twist. It worked to create more protesters, more hate. Casey is represented and they knew that no matter what they threw out there, no matter how bizarre and unlikely, that Casey wasn't going to present her defense in the media. They gained an advantage when they convinced the world that Casey is guilty of murder, despite the fact they can't come up with any real evidence to proceed with a murder charge.

Again... imo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[tiny paw-prints]

Good morning!

:rose: Where's Caylee?

[MyrDawn]

It was from Nancy on the first night the chloroform accusation was leaked. Whatever date that was. I thought he said that LE use it sometimes in processing the scene. But then someone here said that it was some sort of contamination. Nancy was all over Koby when he said it probably wasn't from Casey.

Here's the NG transcript from that night:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/04/ng.01.html

What her guest, Dr. Kobilinsky the forensic scientist, said was "Obviously, there are uses for chloroform. Laboratories, research laboratories, forensic laboratories, industry involving refrigeration, photography -- there are a number of uses for chloroform, and you can buy it if you have a legitimate use for it. "

I don't see anywhere that he said it's used to process the scene, only in the labratories...presumably to process some of the evidence collected at the scene.

[Regina.Lampert]

Someone must have told her "No" for the first time.

:tongue: First laugh of the day, thanks Blue!

[MyrDawn]

Good morning!

:rose: Where's Caylee?


Good morning!

Did anyone hear anything more about the HOA injunciton that was denied? On Nancy Grace last night, Natisha Lance her producer that was at the A's house, said "And actually, a few minutes ago, I was handed this motion for reconsideration of denial and temporary injunction.

There was an injunction that was requested to have protesters move further away from the Anthony home, and in addition to trying to control the hours of which they could be here. That was denied.

But now there is this reconsideration. Police are out here trying to control the area, making sure that nobody gets hurt and making sure that the protesters stay pretty calm."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/16/ng.01.html

I wonder if the LE is going to have anything to do with that...it sure is sucking up their resources to have to go there so frequently because of the protesters.

"The sheriffs office says detectives are even being pulled from other units to help follow up on calls to Crimeline. In fact, deputies have responded 42 times to the Anthony home since July 15.

Matthew Milligan says his case is on hold because detectives couldn't show up to a deposition because of the Anthony case."

http://www.wftv.com/news/17489435/detail.html

JMO

[MyrDawn]

I don't believe Casey had anything to do with chloroform, either in her car or on her computer. I think LE has been playing games to gain an advantage. imo

Could the LE be lying about the chloroform? Sure they could, and it wouldn't be illegal. They could also be lying about the decomp fluid and hair found in the trunk of the Pontiac and anything else we've heard from them re this case.

But, I don't think they are. I don't think they'd gain any advantage in the long run. Rather, I think they'd loose a lot of respect from the public, and make the case much harder to prove in the courtoom.

Who knows...maybe the FBI and Body farm are in cahoots with the OCSO and lying about the test results...maybe the results show without a doubt that Caylee's little dead body was in the trunk.

And maybe they're lying about other evidence they have...maybe they have a LOT more than we know about.

JMO

[Texas48]

I say the500+ Zenaida Gonzales' need to wait until Casey gets convicted and then sue the Anthony's for defamation of character and making false claims (not a lawyer and not sure law would allow it). Let these people get the $$ that the Anthony's seem to think they are going to live the good life on.... Many...many..many of us on this board possibly can sue the Anthonys for all the stress and fried brains this case has caused us. Lack of sleep, missed dinners...etc. Maybe we should start getting in line. JMO

[puppies]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7441020&version=24&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


"I am not intimidated in any way, shape or form. If the state of Florida wants to play these games and waste your tax dollars and your resources, that's for everyone to stand up for and complain about," Baez said.


OH.shut uppppppppppp already!hammer

[SavannahStar]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Oh there's that Wiki again......:lol:

[Texas48]

I hope the Anthonys sue the police too!:D Please list the reasons "WHY" you believe this should happen. I am not certain why LE is getting such a bashing. JMO:confused:

[Pebbles]

I assure you my outrage is well placed. How would I feel? I think anybody would feel the complete and utter devastion that Cindy is experiencing. But even if my daughter was the most villified, hated person on the planet, I would continue to love her, as a Mothers love should be unconditional. I can't think of anyone that I have felt more sorry for, than Cindy. A little humanity and compassion is what I think Caylee would want for her beloved grandparents.

imo





If a mother's love should be unconditional, why do mothers kill their children?



I think unconditional love should be for the innocent victim.


I believe Caylee wants and deserves justice, a little compassion and unconditional love from her mother .

[puppies]

[QUOTE=Flmom;12132958]The Anthonys have done NOTHING but WASTE the Florida tax payers money and the LE's time on this case. [QUOTE]

Exactly.

[Ladyhawk]

Why would ZG go to see an apt in the complex where the day before she stole Caylee???
Wow, that makes a lot of sense to me.

Makes as much sense as going to see an apartment that she already lived in. imo

[bluwaters]

Good Morning!
New Thread:
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12132975#post12132975

[MyrDawn]

I hope the Anthonys sue the police too!:D

:lol:
Instigator! :D

[Lynden1000]

Love is not synonymous with a desire to see justice withheld.

A mother can love her child deeply and unconditionally and yet still expect them to deal with the consequences of their actions.