Tuesday Afternoon/Early Evening - Sept. 16th

[FrankieBones1]

Hi, folks!
The old thread is about to reach its limit.

Enjoy posting and respect each other.

[sunbunny]

Hi, folks!
The old thread is about to reach its limit.

Enjoy posting and respect each other.

:seeya: i'm still lurking AND respecting! :D thanks for starting the new thread, Frankie.

[marinewife5]

Hi, folks!
The old thread is about to reach its limit.

Enjoy posting and respect each other.

thank you frankie! (for the thread and the pep talk!)

[kakax]

Thanks Frankie for the new thread and the reminder....this is our day of Peace...


For Caylee:rose:

[MyrDawn]

:seeya:Hi, folks!
The old thread is about to reach its limit.

Enjoy posting and respect each other.

This old gal has about reached her limit too. Got errands to run. Don't let anything too important happend 'till I get back. Unless it's a murder charge or they find Caylee's body!

[Snoopy50]

Thanks Frankie!:seeya:
My bus was stalled in a puddle....

[n/t]

I need reassurance again from my fellow posters that she will end up getting charged for murder.

I'm getting more and more frustrated with the circus. Casey parading in and out of jail. Baez with that smirk on his face like he's auditioning for a movie.

I really am concerned that LE doesn't have enough to charge her. It's been 2 months now since that 911 call. If the DNA shows there was a dead body in the trunk and investigators are so certain that it was Caylee's body, what's the hold up?

Caylee:rose:

[EGirl]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Certiorari View Post
Educate yourself on Florida law regarding child neglect and future murder charges. You might learn something.
Just did.. and interesting.

If this was a neglect case or a criminally negligent homicide.. there MIGHT be some limitations coming into play.

****

She has child neglect charges now which backs them into a corner for murder charges before her trial. They rushed to arrest her too soon. Bad mistake that could come back to bite them with a November deadline.

Sorry if I missed it. Will you link again to the FL law that states she cannot be tried for both neglect and murder?

[Snoopy50]

I need reassurance again from my fellow posters that she will end up getting charged for murder.

I'm getting more and more frustrated with the circus. Casey parading in and out of jail. Baez with that smirk on his face like he's auditioning for a movie.

I really am concerned that LE doesn't have enough to charge her. It's been 2 months now since that 911 call. If the DNA shows there was a dead body in the trunk and investigators are so certain that it was Caylee's body, what's the hold up?

Caylee:rose:


Have you heard the saying "give someone enough rope to hang themselves?":patriot:

[redcard]

Sorry if I missed it. Will you link again to the FL law that states she cannot be tried for both neglect and murder?

She can be tried for both, but if the state cannot make the neglect case, there's no way that they can make the murder based on neglect case.

And if they don't act on the neglect case soon, then they'll lose the right to refile. See, two types of limitations come into play here.. the first involves the right to a speedy trial, which I believe she's invoked.

That says that once you are charged with something, you have the right to a speedy trial. She was charged, and now they have until November to proceed or drop.

The other kind of limitations are how long after a supposed crime you can be charged with something. In Florida , neglect to a felony level is 3 years limitation for a child.

[SavannahStar]

I have to wonder if LE has created this circus to distract people from realizing how badly they have handled this investigation. It seems to be working for the most part.

imo


I'm almost to the point of believing that.......almost, not quite.

[EGirl]

I have to wonder if LE has created this circus to distract people from realizing how badly they have handled this investigation. It seems to be working for the most part.

imo

3 people turned this into a circus:

CASEY
GEORGE
CINDY


THEY created this circus to cover how poorly they have handled their 'family' situation that ultimately resulted in the death of the only real innocent in the bunch.

IMO


:cuss:

[True2Blues]

Sorry if I missed it. Will you link again to the FL law that states she cannot be tried for both neglect and murder?


Thank you. I'd like to see that myself. It's not an either/or situation. The neglect charges deal with not reporting the child missing, the murder investigation is a separate thing that deal with a whole lot more than that.

[True2Blues]

3 people turned this into a circus:

CASEY
GEORGE
CINDY


THEY created this circus to cover how poorly they have handled their 'family' situation that ultimately resulted in the death of the only real innocent in the bunch.

IMO


:cuss:


Don't forget Lee. He joined in with gusto.

[BJames]

Wow...I finally caught up.

I have always wondered about the 'June 9th' and 'thirty one days' comment(s) coming from the Anthony camp, it means something...I just can't figure out exactly what it is...
The other thing I have noticed? Casey Anthony is in her glory right now with all of this attention, add her 'high profile attorney' holding her hand? She has them all right where she wants them...a good psychologist is having a field day watching this family, the dynamics are awesome...and for the most part Casey is pretty predictable.
She is not going to give anyone any 'real' information, and there is so much 'guilt' in that family unit that the Anthony 'family' sees this as an 'us' and 'them' situation.
I hope LE has all of their ducks in a row...this is going to be like pulling teeth.

Day 93...Where is Caylee Anthony?

[True2Blues]

Tonight At 11: Zenaida Gonzalez Talks To WESH

http://www.wesh.com/news/17485195/detail.html

Is that the woman who was interviewed earlier by the media? The one who has the same name and babysits, but isn't the one Casey talks about? Casey saw a picture and said it wasn't her, but because of the name and job, this woman has been affected by the publicity?

If this was THE Zanny the nanny, LE would be talking to her now.

[redcard]

Tonight At 11: Zenaida Gonzalez Talks To WESH

http://www.wesh.com/news/17485195/detail.html

I thought this woman doesn't exist.

[trich]

Wow...I finally caught up.

I have always wondered about the 'June 9th' and 'thirty one days' comment(s) coming from the Anthony camp, it means something...I just can't figure out exactly what it is...
The other thing I have noticed? Casey Anthony is in her glory right now with all of this attention, add her 'high profile attorney' holding her hand? She has them all right where she wants them...a good psychologist is having a field day watching this family, the dynamics are awesome...and for the most part Casey is pretty predictable.
She is not going to give anyone any 'real' information, and there is so much 'guilt' in that family unit that the Anthony 'family' sees this as an 'us' and 'them' situation.
I hope LE has all of their ducks in a row...this is going to be like pulling teeth.

Day 93...Where is Caylee Anthony?


June 9th is the night that Caylee and Casey spent the night with Ricado....it is in the interviews.

I don't know if that has anything to do with her saying last time she saw Caylee was June 9th but if not it certainly is a coincidence.

[True2Blues]

She can be tried for both, but if the state cannot make the neglect case, there's no way that they can make the murder based on neglect case.

And if they don't act on the neglect case soon, then they'll lose the right to refile. See, two types of limitations come into play here.. the first involves the right to a speedy trial, which I believe she's invoked.

That says that once you are charged with something, you have the right to a speedy trial. She was charged, and now they have until November to proceed or drop.

The other kind of limitations are how long after a supposed crime you can be charged with something. In Florida , neglect to a felony level is 3 years limitation for a child.

Who said the murder charges would be based only on the neglect case? I think they will have other evidence to support a charge of murder.

[EGirl]

I thought this woman doesn't exist.

It's not the nanny.

[happy2bme]

I thought this woman doesn't exist.

yeah she exists alright but not Casey's web of lies.

[redcard]

Who said the murder charges would be based only on the neglect case? I think they will have other evidence to support a charge of murder.

I hope they do, but am beginning to doubt that they would.

After Casey goes to jail on neglect, or gets probation, she can continue to be a suspect for the murder case, but the LE lose all leverage. Once someone is in jail, you've taken away the primary bargaining chip you have.. which is mainly to keep them out of jail.

So, that evidence had better show up. Right now, I don't think they can even give enough to show that the girl is dead. And that bothers me. Because if they could show the girl is dead, they could ramp it up with the neglect and make a charge for manslaughter.

[kakax]

I need reassurance again from my fellow posters that she will end up getting charged for murder.

I'm getting more and more frustrated with the circus. Casey parading in and out of jail. Baez with that smirk on his face like he's auditioning for a movie.

I really am concerned that LE doesn't have enough to charge her. It's been 2 months now since that 911 call. If the DNA shows there was a dead body in the trunk and investigators are so certain that it was Caylee's body, what's the hold up?

Caylee:rose:



I'm not of the opinion that LE would lie about tests that show decomposition, like some others on this board. They have results leading them to believe she is dead. LE wouldn't lie about that.

Let's see what happens with this California trip....don't get discouraged. The last time she walked out of jail, I felt the same way....we just have to believe that justice will be done in this case. It takes time to build a solid case. We don't want a hung jury. We want the real deal.

Melanie Maguire, Scott Peterson, Michael Peterson....all of these cases...it took some time. In MM's case, it was a year before she was arrested and look at all the evidence they had!!!

[forensicnut]

<p>Brought over from the other thread:</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>In her statement to police she said she thought that Zanny's mother's name was Gloria. She also said that she thought she owned a house off of Michigan. It would be interesting to see if there is a house in the deed records that was owned by any fernandez-gonzales or gonzales-fernandez.</p>

I'll go look.......

[True2Blues]

I thought this woman doesn't exist.

There are several people with that name. This one for instance, who is probably who they are talking to.

http://crime.suite101.com/article.cfm/did_zenaida_gonzalez_kidnap_caylee_anthony

[FrankieBones1]

Tonight At 11: Zenaida Gonzalez Talks To WESH

Woman Accused of Taking Caylee Anthony Explains How Life Has Changed


It says accused, not charged. not the Zenaida Casey told police about. this woman was cleared by investigators.
Thanks for the heads up, Relynnrein. I remember her last interview several weeks ago. She said that no one would hire her because of her name being associated to the case. Another victim of Casey Anthony.

[redcard]

Watch & learn.

It's gonna happen. :)

We'll see.

My prediction is the next time she gets arrested, it's for something involving theft or something.

I don't see charges for anything else regarding caylee anytime soon.

[DeeN]

:read:

C. ANTHONY: Zenaida.

WELLS: Did you ever send any e-mails or did she.

C. ANTHONY: Her e-mail account bounced back. I`ve tried twice. I tried.

WELLS: Does she.

C. ANTHONY: Twice this morning.

WELLS: Does she -- have you.

C. ANTHONY: She had e-mail.

WELLS: Even when you all were in good times, does she -- would she send e-mails back and forth?

C. ANTHONY: On occasion. We would talk online. Not usually through e-mail, though.

They've got her laptop, so if she ever emailed Zenaida, it will be on her laptop. ALso, if there is a Zenaida, they can track her down thru her IP address.

This is a biggie in my HO.

[happy2bme]

Quick question


Why are we going back to discussing Zanny again? Is it because of the whole ZG interview coming up? This ZG was interviewed before. From what I got out of the article is that it is merely to show how her life has been changed because of Casey's lies. Did I miss something?

[Rebel Rouzer]

It says interviewing her 'again,' so I would assume so. Just another bit of nothing. :rolleyes:


Exactly. There are several ZG's that exist just not the one Casey weaved into her lies for LE. That one is NONEXISTANT.

[redcard]

Exactly. There are several ZG's that exist just not the one Casey weaved into her lies for LE. That one is NONEXISTANT.

Ah.

So she has absolutely nothing to do with Caylee, and yet the press is so bored they'll just continue to bother her.

Kay.

[kakax]

Exactly. This is Zenaida Gonzales, actual woman and collateral damage victim of Casey Anthony.

This is NOT the Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales that Casey and her mommy, at least, are hanging all their dirty laundry all over.


Heart breaking isn't it...so many lives ruined.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Quick question


Why are we going back to discussing Zanny again? Is it because of the whole ZG interview coming up? This ZG was interviewed before. From what I got out of the article is that it is merely to show how her life has been changed because of Casey's lies. Did I miss something?

You didn't miss anything. Just people trying to continue belieing Casey's lies about Zanny the nanny.

Sad. Very sad.

[True2Blues]

I hope they do, but am beginning to doubt that they would.

After Casey goes to jail on neglect, or gets probation, she can continue to be a suspect for the murder case, but the LE lose all leverage. Once someone is in jail, you've taken away the primary bargaining chip you have.. which is mainly to keep them out of jail.

So, that evidence had better show up. Right now, I don't think they can even give enough to show that the girl is dead. And that bothers me. Because if they could show the girl is dead, they could ramp it up with the neglect and make a charge for manslaughter.

I think Casey has made it clear that there is no bargaining with her. She won't ever admit what she did.

I don't believe that LE would claim they had preliminary test results if they didn't have them. They are allowed to say whatever they want when questioning a suspect, but I'm sure there are repercussions if they lie in official statements to the public. I guess we'll find out at some point.

LE doesn't seem ready to charge Casey yet, they're still collecting evidence. She isn't going anywhere at present, so I'd rather they took their time and got everything in order.

[trich]

Thats exactly what I think, they rushed too soon. Still dont get why if they know Caylee is dead for sure why Casey isn't in jail, I am almost starting to think the police force likes all the attention, because it is time to wrap it up before some weird protester opens fire at the Anthony house, and it really could. Police have to protect the community, to me its cut and dry, you know Caylee is dead and Casey was the last one with her, and look how weird she acted, all the lies, they can bring a murder charge and more than likely make it stick

Its so frustrating. moo




I just have to believe the Attorney General of Florida knows what he is doing.

[keybored]

I have to wonder if LE has created this circus to distract people from realizing how badly they have handled this investigation. It seems to be working for the most part.

imo

I'm sorry, but I don't see how LE has created any circus :shrug:

The only ringleaders I see are the Anthonys. If Casey wasn't constantly being bailed out, much of the circus and problems would subside.

Also, I do think that the Anthonys contribute to the circus by their outrageous behaviour. Could you imagine how much more help and sympathy they would get if they weren't so combative and accusatory towards people that don't deserve it?

[deep*fear]

Tonight At 11: Zenaida Gonzalez Talks To WESH

Woman Accused of Taking Caylee Anthony Explains How Life Has Changed


It says accused, not charged. not the Zenaida Casey told police about. this woman was cleared by investigators.

Of course she was cleared, she probably was at work or babysitting a group of children and had witnesses to her wherabouts on June 16 from 9am to 1pm

[courtsinsession]

I am truly beginning to think she may get away with this; the police are beginning to look a tad incompetent to me; they keep charging her and she keeps getting back out; This case makes me sad for Caylee and sick about the circus it has become. those protestors outside the home- just horrible; and Casey, smirking and getting all the attention 24/7 from men all day long (bodyguards, attorneys); it is truly appalling. makes you wish for days gone by, before the internet and 24/7 cable. (although lets face it forums like this are great)

[anyonesguess]

Exactly. This is Zenaida Gonzales, actual woman and collateral damage victim of Casey Anthony.

This is NOT the Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales that Casey and her mommy, at least, are hanging all their dirty laundry all over.

Wonder if somehow one of her policeman boyfriends she was possibly having sexual relationships with somehow had contact while on the job with ZFG that Casey found out about, and that is how she came up with her name?

[LisaMTown]

Hi everyone,

New here.. I've been reading this boards for awhile and decided to finally join.. I've been trying to keep up with this case.. I'm just heartbroken that this little girl might have ended up dead by her own mother's hands.. JMO I keep hoping that something big will break in this case..

http://www.jurorthirteen.com/

[Pebbles]

I need reassurance again from my fellow posters that she will end up getting charged for murder.

I'm getting more and more frustrated with the circus. Casey parading in and out of jail. Baez with that smirk on his face like he's auditioning for a movie.

I really am concerned that LE doesn't have enough to charge her. It's been 2 months now since that 911 call. If the DNA shows there was a dead body in the trunk and investigators are so certain that it was Caylee's body, what's the hold up?

Caylee:rose:



That is my fear also! For Caylee, I hope there will be justice in the end.:rose:

[redcard]

Thats exactly what I think, they rushed too soon. Still dont get why if they know Caylee is dead for sure why Casey isn't in jail, I am almost starting to think the police force likes all the attention, because it is time to wrap it up before some weird protester opens fire at the Anthony house, and it really could. Police have to protect the community, to me its cut and dry, you know Caylee is dead and Casey was the last one with her, and look how weird she acted, all the lies, they can bring a murder charge and more than likely make it stick

Its so frustrating. moo

As someone who knows someone who legitimately was wrongfully accused (no, I'm not saying Casey is. I think she is guilty , but I still hate to see LE go this way) , there's a very simple fact people here MUST know about law enforcement.

Law enforcement cannot be forced to tell the truth except for ONE occasion. When a member of Law Enforcement is on the stand or under deposition, and they themselves are directly under oath, they must tell the truth. At all other times, they can lie. They can make up stuff. They can leak information that they know to be lies. They often do, too, to turn the public pressure or to increase the likeliness that the public provides tips.

So that's what I think happened here. I think that they thought if they told a few lies, that they would get Casey to give it up. I think they thought they were dealing with someone emotionally and mentally who wasn't all there, and they thought she'd break a lot earlier.

This is the exact same thing they tried (to a far lesser extent, since what my friend was wrongfully accused of , and later cleared of is not CNN/TruTV/Internet chat groups material) with my friend.

And it's why, if there's one piece of advice I can give anyone.. if you ever get arrested, shut up, ask for a lawyer, shut up, and shut up. Do NOT talk to the police, do not listen to the police, just be quiet and let your lawyer do the work. They can't lie at trial, and they can and regularly do before.

[rosejustrose]

Florida has a very unique law pertaining to double jeopardy that comes into play with child neglect and future murder charges. They need to get murder charges filed before Nov. or risk losing the chance entirely.


Thanks for that information, C!

[Pebbles]

3 people turned this into a circus:

CASEY
GEORGE
CINDY


THEY created this circus to cover how poorly they have handled their 'family' situation that ultimately resulted in the death of the only real innocent in the bunch.

IMO


:cuss:



And that's the truth! :beer:

[happy2bme]

You might have.

No activity on the phone was June 17th.

That was also the very day Zenaida went to Sawgrass apt 210 to check out a apt.

Don't you think that if there was a real connection, LE would have figured it out by now?

[marshmallow]

The one true fact that hasn't changed or been reborn is:
Casey has answers and she alone has the power to help us find that child and for some reason she refuses to. Every day that goes by weakens "reasonable doubt" because, in my eyes, if Casey's telling the truth then she'sbeing stubborn at the risk of her child's life.

We need to refocus on Caylee. For some reason, we keep getting led to silly little spats and it keeps us from our focus: Where is CAylee. Casey NEEDS to talk.


Casey is the key to finding this child, whether she's alive or dead only Casey knows. There is no excuse for her not talking. The child should come first not Casey and her excuses.

[MamaDudosa]

I think Casey has made it clear that there is no bargaining with her. She won't ever admit what she did.

I don't believe that LE would claim they had preliminary test results if they didn't have them. They are allowed to say whatever they want when questioning a suspect, but I'm sure there are repercussions if they lie in official statements to the public. I guess we'll find out at some point.

LE doesn't seem ready to charge Casey yet, they're still collecting evidence. She isn't going anywhere at present, so I'd rather they took their time and got everything in order.


Actually you are wrong. There's an interview to the judge (forgot his name)... the one who set bond on this monster, who specifically states that LE can and will do what ever it takes to solve a crime, even if this implies lying, exagerate, whatever. The link is out there, somewhere.

[rosejustrose]

Hi, folks!
The old thread is about to reach its limit.

Enjoy posting and respect each other.

Peace, respect and prayers for Caylee Marie Anthony, our angel:rose:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MlCJhqa8eU

For Caylee:rose:

[marshmallow]

No, because I'm too lost in all the hate and cruelty launched upon these people, the grandparents of Caylee. The only people in the world who loved and cared for Caylee.



the grandparents were not the only people in the world who loved that child. Obviously many non-family members did too, they've shared sweet memories and tears over her.

If Casey loved her child, she'd help find her. If she's telling the truth. If she is or isn't, why is she putting her parents through this hell? her refusal to help is causing severe pain to her family and the others who loved this child. Casey is the one responsible for all of this. If she won't talk for her daughter's sake, how about for her parent's sanity?

[SavannahStar]

Ah.

So she has absolutely nothing to do with Caylee, and yet the press is so bored they'll just continue to bother her.

Kay.

:lol: Is that stupid or what? And yeh, "Casey just loves all this attention." Truth be told, the public (IS posters included) eats it up.

[beetlebrow]

Hi everyone,

New here.. I've been reading this boards for awhile and decided to finally join.. I've been trying to keep up with this case.. I'm just heartbroken that this little girl might have ended up dead by her own mother's hands.. JMO I keep hoping that something big will break in this case..

http://www.jurorthirteen.com/


Welcome to IS!!!. That is an interesting website......Thank you for the link :)

[greeneyz]

You might have.

No activity on the phone was June 17th.

That was also the very day Zenaida went to Sawgrass apt 210 to check out a apt.


Is the Zenaida they are interviewing the same one that went and filled out a guest card at Sawgrass apts?

And did the one that went really try to rent the same apt. that Casey was claiming ZG lived at?!?!? :shrug:

[Pebbles]

As someone who knows someone who legitimately was wrongfully accused (no, I'm not saying Casey is. I think she is guilty , but I still hate to see LE go this way) , there's a very simple fact people here MUST know about law enforcement.

Law enforcement cannot be forced to tell the truth except for ONE occasion. When a member of Law Enforcement is on the stand or under deposition, and they themselves are directly under oath, they must tell the truth. At all other times, they can lie. They can make up stuff. They can leak information that they know to be lies. They often do, too, to turn the public pressure or to increase the likeliness that the public provides tips.

So that's what I think happened here. I think that they thought if they told a few lies, that they would get Casey to give it up. I think they thought they were dealing with someone emotionally and mentally who wasn't all there, and they thought she'd break a lot earlier.

This is the exact same thing they tried (to a far lesser extent, since what my friend was wrongfully accused of , and later cleared of is not CNN/TruTV/Internet chat groups material) with my friend.

And it's why, if there's one piece of advice I can give anyone.. if you ever get arrested, shut up, ask for a lawyer, shut up, and shut up. Do NOT talk to the police, do not listen to the police, just be quiet and let your lawyer do the work. They can't lie at trial, and they can and regularly do before.


I guess that is why we have murderers walking around free! hammer

[day2day]

And i hope she starts serveing it soon.

This Video is for Caylee:rose:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igrCeTzbFis

Thank you breeze...it is beautiful!!
:rose:

[marinewife5]

just my thoughts (based on common sense, not education) on double jeopardy and the neglect charge. if the neglect charge is in relation to casey's failure to report her daughter missing, not neglect leading to caylee's death, and the state decides to press charges for murder or manslaughter, the two are NOT connected. if so, wouldn't that give an abusive parent carte blanche to abuse their child after serving a year or two on a prior incident? i beat or neglect my child, serve 18 mos or so, get out, and get do the same again without fear of prosecution since double jeopardy applies? i doubt that's how that works.


just my opinion

[True2Blues]

Florida has a very unique law pertaining to double jeopardy that comes into play with child neglect and future murder charges. They need to get murder charges filed before Nov. or risk losing the chance entirely.

Is there somewhere we can go to read that law? I have looked but can't find it. If you have a link I would appreciate it. TIA

[afriend2u]

The one true fact that hasn't changed or been reborn is:
Casey has answers and she alone has the power to help us find that child and for some reason she refuses to. Every day that goes by weakens "reasonable doubt" because, in my eyes, if Casey's telling the truth then she'sbeing stubborn at the risk of her child's life.

We need to refocus on Caylee. For some reason, we keep getting led to silly little spats and it keeps us from our focus: Where is CAylee. Casey NEEDS to talk.


Casey is the key to finding this child, whether she's alive or dead only Casey knows. There is no excuse for her not talking. The child should come first not Casey and her excuses.

Very good post. I believe IMO that she knows what happened to Caylee and that is why she is not talking. If she were still alive - why wouldnt she just say - this is where she is, go see for yourself? Instead, she continues to be quiet because she knows Caylee has met harm, and she was most likely the cause of it..

[redcard]

:lol: Is that stupid or what? And yeh, "Casey just loves all this attention." Truth be told, the public (IS posters included) eats it up.

A thousand Nancy Grace wannabes who second chair the nightly news, all praying that Casey Anthony holds out until sweeps.

[trt]

just my thoughts (based on common sense, not education) on double jeopardy and the neglect charge. if the neglect charge is in relation to casey's failure to report her daughter missing, not neglect leading to caylee's death, and the state decides to press charges for murder or manslaughter, the two are NOT connected. if so, wouldn't that give an abusive parent carte blanche to abuse their child after serving a year or two on a prior incident? i beat or neglect my child, serve 18 mos or so, get out, and get do the same again without fear of prosecution since double jeopardy applies? i doubt that's how that works.


just my opinion


You are correct...if a parent gets out on Child Abuse and abuses their child again, that is a new crime, new evidence, new possible witnesses...double jeopardy only applies to being tried for the same crime more than once, not the same type of crime.

[happy2bme]

The same can be said for LE not filing murder charges against Casey by now.


Is it your opinion that ZG has Caylee and Casey did not harm her?

[johnielee333]

Peace,Love & Justice For Caylee ! :rose:


Prison For Casey ! :beer:

[rosejustrose]

I have to wonder if LE has created this circus to distract people from realizing how badly they have handled this investigation. It seems to be working for the most part.

imo

Your post would be funny if this situation wasn't so sad. How can LE be blamed for mishandling this investigation? They weren't notified a child was missing until said child was missing for over a month. Talk about a cold trail. The web of lies Casey wove in her interviews is what got investigators digging and that's how all these unrelated economic charges came up. Had there not been a missing child and Amy and Cindy went to LE independently with the economic allegations, the same thing would have happened to Casey only the press wouldn't be interested. This circus was caused because a cold blooded witch didn't report her child missing for over a month. This clearly lands on Casey's doorstep. IMO.

Peace and respect for Caylee
:rose:

[beetlebrow]

Why did LE question Zenaida after Caylee went missing and they thought she was there in April, did Zenaida confirm to them at the initial interview it was June? Because it was reported after cops talked to her that she had been there, but in April, then after the press finds the discretion, they go back to Sawgrass to check themselves, that kinda tells me Zenaida didn't correct them and let them think she was there in April, thats pretty weird. moo

Casey was the one who said that the ZG who looked at the apartment (police showed Casey a picture of her) was NOT THE ZG that Casey was talking about....good lord can we move on please????

[marinewife5]

You are correct...if a parent gets out on Child Abuse and abuses their child again, that is a new crime, new evidence, new possible witnesses...double jeopardy only applies to being tried for the same crime more than once, not the same type of crime.

and as i understand fla's law, the murder/manslaughter charge would have to be an escalation of the original neglect charge for it to be considered double jeopardy, not a separate incident of neglect/abuse.
but what do i know:shrug:

[OneUp]

Quote:
Originally Posted by redcard
But how can you prove neglect without indicating that she's dead?

Don't you see? They're going to lose the neglect case if they can't point to any.
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IMO, it is neglectful to fail to report that your child has gone missing and that she continued to be missing for over 30 days.
A neglect charge will only create a problem on Homicide charges IF the negelctful act led directly to the death.
Parents may do many, many things that are considered neglectful.
If Caylee died at the hands of the imaginary Nanny, or if she died wandering around with no one looking for her as a result of Casey failing to report her disappearance it would be an issue.
As she was murdered by her mother (IMO) and neither of the above is at all true (IMO) Casey may still be charged with murder/negliegent homicide. He failure to report the child missing did not cause her death, in fact it came after it ( if you believe science and not casey's lies and do realize that as unpleasant as it is, Caylee is long dead.)...so the failure to report a missing child did not contribute to Caylees death.
I hope each morning Caylee that this will be the day you are found and brought to rest in a special place. Until that day may your spirit rest in the hearts of myself and many others.
JMO.

[redcard]

I guess that is why we have murderers walking around free! hammer

So you'd rather the police lie and intimidate people into confessing to lesser counts just so you can feel better at night?

I'm of the opinion that it is unethical to lie. Period. But I can't wait to see what the justification people will have for the LE when this case goes to trial , and what was airtight perfect evidence now turns into "well, not reallys" at trial.

If it's wrong for CA to lie about where Caylee is, it's equally wrong for law enforcement to lie about what CA is doing.

And in our system of law, a lawyer is your protection for your rights.

[OneUp]

I just have to believe the Attorney General of Florida knows what he is doing.
Now that sounds like something worth putting your faith in! I would bet he certainly does know a thing or two about the Law.:)
IMO.

[Courtney]

Florida has a very unique law pertaining to double jeopardy that comes into play with child neglect and future murder charges. They need to get murder charges filed before Nov. or risk losing the chance entirely.

I don't normally post on the forum (just lurk as you say!) but thought I would post this article from wftv.com in case it hasn't been posted already. Although it seems strange it seems to suggest that Casey can't be charged with murder IF they find her guilty of child neglect and the same evidence and allegations in terms of Casey 'losing' Caylee would form the basis of any murder charge. JMO and I am not from the US but this seems to suggest that there may be a problem....

Lets just hope not!

http://www.wftv.com/news/17193405/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news


LOOPHOLE COULD ALLOW CASEY TO BEAT SYSTEM

A loophole could allow Caylee Anthony's mother to beat the system. She's still only facing charges of child neglect and giving false statements.

If her attorney asks for a speedy trial, they could be the only charges she ever faces. Florida law prohibits a person from being tried on more serious charges at a later date if the person stands trial for something that's related.

"If you lose a kid and that results in a child's death, that's one and the same case, because those are manslaughter charges," said board-certified trial attorney Richard Hornsby.

If Casey was found guilty of child neglect, she would only serve up to five years in prison versus a maximum of life for murder. Still, detectives have never said that Caylee Anthony is dead or that Casey is under investigation for murder or manslaughter.

[keybored]

No, because I'm too lost in all the hate and cruelty launched upon these people, the grandparents of Caylee. The only people in the world who loved and cared for Caylee.

I'm sorry for you. :rose: This case has affected many of us in different ways. We may not agree, but I do feel badly for you.

[n/t]

I read on last night's thread that Yuri is flying out to meet with the Padillas?? Did I read that right?

Why?

[trt]

and as i understand fla's law, the murder/manslaughter charge would have to be an escalation of the original neglect charge for it to be considered double jeopardy, not a separate incident of neglect/abuse.
but what do i know:shrug:


Do you have that link handy? I'd like to read it because you are right, that doesn't make much sense. TIA

[MamaDudosa]

Actually you are wrong. There's an interview to the judge (forgot his name)... the one who set bond on this monster, who specifically states that LE can and will do what ever it takes to solve a crime, even if this implies lying, exagerate, whatever. The link is out there, somewhere.

Not quite sure if it's the same judge, sorry, but listen to this interview to get an idea. Hope it helps:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7343738&version=1&locale=EN-US

[rosejustrose]

Ah.

So she has absolutely nothing to do with Caylee, and yet the press is so bored they'll just continue to bother her.

Kay.


Maybe this ZG doesn't feel bothered by the attention. See could always had refused the interview, IMO.

[desmom]

You might have.

No activity on the phone was June 17th.

That was also the very day Zenaida went to Sawgrass apt 210 to check out a apt.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,399183,00.html

"There are no other calls until the next day. That would be the 17th."

#210 was under construction, the demo apt is #110 per the 400 page documents. jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

Florida has a very unique law pertaining to double jeopardy that comes into play with child neglect and future murder charges. They need to get murder charges filed before Nov. or risk losing the chance entirely.

Link us to that Florida statute please.

[beetlebrow]

Casey also lies. She could have had a reason to lie about Zenaida when she was shown the picture especially since Waters quickly ran to Casey's jail to "speak" with her.

I'm sorry but you seem to pick and choose when you think Casey is lying to suit your argument :shrug:

[rosejustrose]

I'm sorry for you. :rose: This case has affected many of us in different ways. We may not agree, but I do feel badly for you.

ITA, keybored, I too feel sorry for the OP.

For AdverseParty - peace and goodwill - I hope you see past the hate and cruelty you perceive and find the truth. :rose:

[trt]

I don't normally post on the forum (just lurk as you say!) but thought I would post this article from wftv.com in case it hasn't been posted already. Although it seems strange it seems to suggest that Casey can't be charged with murder IF they find her guilty of child neglect and the same evidence and allegations in terms of Casey 'losing' Caylee would form the basis of any murder charge. JMO and I am not from the US but this seems to suggest that there may be a problem....

Lets just hope not!

http://www.wftv.com/news/17193405/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news


LOOPHOLE COULD ALLOW CASEY TO BEAT SYSTEM

A loophole could allow Caylee Anthony's mother to beat the system. She's still only facing charges of child neglect and giving false statements.

If her attorney asks for a speedy trial, they could be the only charges she ever faces. Florida law prohibits a person from being tried on more serious charges at a later date if the person stands trial for something that's related.

"If you lose a kid and that results in a child's death, that's one and the same case, because those are manslaughter charges," said board-certified trial attorney Richard Hornsby.

If Casey was found guilty of child neglect, she would only serve up to five years in prison versus a maximum of life for murder. Still, detectives have never said that Caylee Anthony is dead or that Casey is under investigation for murder or manslaughter.

Thanks for the link...but I still don't think that it would mean that LE only has until November to file murder charges, even with Florida's law being as it is. For instance, it states that if you lose a child and it results in the child's death, then its one and the same. Casey didn't lose Caylee, she only claims she did, and whatever happened to Caylee is a result of Casey's hand, so it wouldn't be a result of the child neglect (losing Caylee), but a charge that would show that Casey herself is responsible for the death. That's how I read it anyway. I'm no lawyer. JMO

[marinewife5]

I don't normally post on the forum (just lurk as you say!) but thought I would post this article from wftv.com in case it hasn't been posted already. Although it seems strange it seems to suggest that Casey can't be charged with murder IF they find her guilty of child neglect and the same evidence and allegations in terms of Casey 'losing' Caylee would form the basis of any murder charge. JMO and I am not from the US but this seems to suggest that there may be a problem....

Lets just hope not!

http://www.wftv.com/news/17193405/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news


LOOPHOLE COULD ALLOW CASEY TO BEAT SYSTEM

A loophole could allow Caylee Anthony's mother to beat the system. She's still only facing charges of child neglect and giving false statements.

If her attorney asks for a speedy trial, they could be the only charges she ever faces. Florida law prohibits a person from being tried on more serious charges at a later date if the person stands trial for something that's related.

"If you lose a kid and that results in a child's death, that's one and the same case, because those are manslaughter charges," said board-certified trial attorney Richard Hornsby.

If Casey was found guilty of child neglect, she would only serve up to five years in prison versus a maximum of life for murder. Still, detectives have never said that Caylee Anthony is dead or that Casey is under investigation for murder or manslaughter.

imo, it was a slow news period. casey losing caylee and casey killing caylee are two unconnected acts, and if she lost caylee, she couldn't have killed her accidentally or otherwise. if caylee was kidnapped, and casey failed to report that, and the kidnappers killed caylee, then i can understand how the state would be unable to hold casey accountable for that. i find that to be an unlikely scenario.
jmo

[day2day]

When NG is finished driving this case into the dirt she'll just move onto her next victim.

The Anthony family should thank NG everyday of their lives.

At least she remembers Caylee daily.

:rose:

[trich]

If I remember correctly during the Laci Peterson case...many were of the opinion that the LE could not prove Scott guilty of killing his wife and unborn child.
Well look where he is now.


I could convict Casey just on the fact that she waited 31 days to even admit her child was "missing" what kind of a parent does that?
I don't care what anyone told me I would have called 911 immediately .
Got the FBI and any other law enforcement orgainization involved and hunted Z down....I would not have stopped until I found my child.
But then that is logically what a normal loving parent would do.

[n/t]

I think Zenaida has a lot to hide and is connected to many associates of Casey's. That is not a coincidence.


You would think she'd be a POI by now if what you're stating is true. It hasn't happened and she clearly says she never met Casey nor Caylee.

Why would she lie to the cops about that? What's your theory?

[marinewife5]

Do you have that link handy? I'd like to read it because you are right, that doesn't make much sense. TIA

i don't have the link for the actual law. it is merely my interpretation from the reports on it at the time it was initially brought to the public's attention. i'll see if i can find it.

[Mandysmom]

I need reassurance again from my fellow posters that she will end up getting charged for murder.

I'm getting more and more frustrated with the circus. Casey parading in and out of jail. Baez with that smirk on his face like he's auditioning for a movie.

I really am concerned that LE doesn't have enough to charge her. It's been 2 months now since that 911 call. If the DNA shows there was a dead body in the trunk and investigators are so certain that it was Caylee's body, what's the hold up?

Caylee:rose:Just hold on to the thought of how long it took to arrest SP for Laci and Connor's murder. Remember the smug looks on his face?

From Christmas Eve to Good Friday, they knew what happened, but it took time.

I have to believe that Caylee will somehow receive justice, just as they did.

:rose:

[OneUp]

The one true fact that hasn't changed or been reborn is:
Casey has answers and she alone has the power to help us find that child and for some reason she refuses to. Every day that goes by weakens "reasonable doubt" because, in my eyes, if Casey's telling the truth then she'sbeing stubborn at the risk of her child's life.

We need to refocus on Caylee. For some reason, we keep getting led to silly little spats and it keeps us from our focus: Where is CAylee. Casey NEEDS to talk.


Casey is the key to finding this child, whether she's alive or dead only Casey knows. There is no excuse for her not talking. The child should come first not Casey and her excuses.Thank you for making those points quite well marshmallow. I agree with you...there must be some reason going off on these tangents is so important to some...???
I'm getting busy again and need to go.
Keep the peace folks!
Speaking for myself only, I appreciate each and every poster who is trying to be peaceful and understanding in their posting today.
JMO. See you later...:seeya:

[Mandysmom]

Sorry if I missed it. Will you link again to the FL law that states she cannot be tried for both neglect and murder?

I must have missed that too. :confused:;)

[kitty1182]

I think Zenaida has a lot to hide and is connected to many associates of Casey's. That is not a coincidence.

IMO Casey Marie Anthony is the only one involved in what happen to her daughter..Plain and Simple..
MOO

[redcard]

Thanks for the link...but I still don't think that it would mean that LE only has until November to file murder charges, even with Florida's law being as it is. For instance, it states that if you lose a child and it results in the child's death, then its one and the same. Casey didn't lose Caylee, she only claims she did, and whatever happened to Caylee is a result of Casey's hand, so it wouldn't be a result of the child neglect (losing Caylee), but a charge that would show that Casey herself is responsible for the death. That's how I read it anyway. I'm no lawyer. JMO

Except all CA has to do is claim that the neglect does have to do with Casey's death. That alone would be enough to trip the double jeopardy clause if this article is to be believed.

The police either has to drop the neglect charges, which means that they're done with that but could refile later, or upgrade them to murder charges.

Like I said, I suspect this is why they are getting other charges together.. just so that they can have some kind of deal to offer Casey.

[True2Blues]

Link us to that Florida statute please.

I've looked for it, can't find it.:shrug:

[marshmallow]

Right, that Waters thing is weird, and he knows Zeniada, and the cops just deem this as crap why? I think because they already have classified her insane, and just don't believe anything she says. Maybe Caylees real dad is somehow associated with a group that knows Zenaida, I mean she did go missing around Fathers Day. moo

grasping a little there. No matter which new or old story you believe. The key is Casey and Casey won't cooperate.

[penguinlady]

You would think she'd be a POI by now if what you're stating is true. It hasn't happened and she clearly says she never met Casey nor Caylee.

Why would she lie to the cops about that? What's your theory?

And why would she put herself back out in the spotlight after she has been cleared?

[desmom]

Why did LE question Zenaida after Caylee went missing and they thought she was there in April, did Zenaida confirm to them at the initial interview it was June? Because it was reported after cops talked to her that she had been there, but in April, then after the press finds the discretion, they go back to Sawgrass to check themselves, that kinda tells me Zenaida didn't correct them and let them think she was there in April, thats pretty weird. moo

April? Where did April come from? I am lost.

The 400 page documents contain statements signed by the Sawgrass employees stating the employees were interviewed by LE on 7/16/08. During the interview, the employees pulled ZG's guest card and it is dated 06/17/08.

jmo

[joint-heir]

She very much exists.

Can you tell me what your idea is about the case?

[msjoni]

I'm not of the opinion that LE would lie about tests that show decomposition, like some others on this board. They have results leading them to believe she is dead. LE wouldn't lie about that.

Let's see what happens with this California trip....don't get discouraged. The last time she walked out of jail, I felt the same way....we just have to believe that justice will be done in this case. It takes time to build a solid case. We don't want a hung jury. We want the real deal.

Melanie Maguire, Scott Peterson, Michael Peterson....all of these cases...it took some time. In MM's case, it was a year before she was arrested and look at all the evidence they had!!!

Melanie Maguire lived a few towns over from me, and till this day, LE still feels she had an accomplice....I feel Casey did too...

[WinnieLeigh7]

There's no loop hole due to other felony crimes or time restraints on murder!!!

Not in FL, not in any state....

[Pebbles]

So you'd rather the police lie and intimidate people into confessing to lesser counts just so you can feel better at night?

I'm of the opinion that it is unethical to lie. Period. But I can't wait to see what the justification people will have for the LE when this case goes to trial , and what was airtight perfect evidence now turns into "well, not reallys" at trial.

If it's wrong for CA to lie about where Caylee is, it's equally wrong for law enforcement to lie about what CA is doing.

And in our system of law, a lawyer is your protection for your rights.


And I hope you are never a "victim" of a crime and need LE on your side. By the way I am married to someone in LE, he was there when you find your child not breathing, you are terribly injured in a traffic accident, when you spouse is having a heart attack, when someone is holding a gun to your head. He put his life on the line everyday. I also have a son in LE.

Are there bad apples, sure. Just like everyone shouldn't be a "mother", not everyone should be in LE. If a mother murders her child, does that make every mother a murderer??

If a cop lies, does that mean everyone in LE lies??

I am proud of my husband and my son, they are upstanding people and they put their life on the line everyday protecting you. Many nights and holidays my husband could not be home with his family because he was putting in long hours trying to uphold the law and my son is now doing the same, but both of them went into LE because they cared about protecting and upholding the laws of this country to make this country a safer place, even for people that sit there and call them names and have never walked in their shoes!!!!!!

[Rebel Rouzer]

I read on last night's thread that Yuri is flying out to meet with the Padillas?? Did I read that right?

Why?

It's been reported that LE are looking for clues and talking to witnesses as well. Me thinks Yuri is going to talk to Mark Hawkins and Padilla and check up on any tips given about a live Caylee to satisfy the defense and the Anthony's so come trial their toshies are covered and Baez can't claime they failed to investigate leads.

[desmom]

just my thoughts (based on common sense, not education) on double jeopardy and the neglect charge. if the neglect charge is in relation to casey's failure to report her daughter missing, not neglect leading to caylee's death, and the state decides to press charges for murder or manslaughter, the two are NOT connected. if so, wouldn't that give an abusive parent carte blanche to abuse their child after serving a year or two on a prior incident? i beat or neglect my child, serve 18 mos or so, get out, and get do the same again without fear of prosecution since double jeopardy applies? i doubt that's how that works.


just my opinion

IMO, Great common sense! :beer:

[trt]

Except all CA has to do is claim that the neglect does have to do with Casey's death. That alone would be enough to trip the double jeopardy clause if this article is to be believed.

The police either has to drop the neglect charges, which means that they're done with that but could refile later, or upgrade them to murder charges.

Like I said, I suspect this is why they are getting other charges together.. just so that they can have some kind of deal to offer Casey.



In order for that to happen, there would have to be some sort of proof that Casey's version of who has Caylee has some truth to it. It doesn't. The person she claimed to have dropped her off with doesn't exist. Claiming it doesn't necessarily make it so, that's just how Casey chooses to deal with things. If that is to be the defense's argument, the prosecution could eat them alive with all of the evidence that they have that the person Casey dropped Caylee off with doesn't exist. Therefore making any type of *death by child neglect* defense null and void. Casey caused her daughter's death and when LE charges for murder, they will have the evidence to prove that. JMO

[jammies]

Link us to that Florida statute please.



other posters have already passed out from lack of oxygen.......;)

[rosejustrose]

Thank you for making those points quite well marshmallow. I agree with you...there must be some reason going off on these tangents is so important to some...???
I'm getting busy again and need to go.
Keep the peace folks!
Speaking for myself only, I appreciate each and every poster who is trying to be peaceful and understanding in their posting today.
JMO. See you later...:seeya:


See ya later :seeya:

Peace and justice for Caylee:rose:

[Courtney]

Thanks for the link...but I still don't think that it would mean that LE only has until November to file murder charges, even with Florida's law being as it is. For instance, it states that if you lose a child and it results in the child's death, then its one and the same. Casey didn't lose Caylee, she only claims she did, and whatever happened to Caylee is a result of Casey's hand, so it wouldn't be a result of the child neglect (losing Caylee), but a charge that would show that Casey herself is responsible for the death. That's how I read it anyway. I'm no lawyer. JMO

Hi. I am a lawyer (although in the UK) and I totally agree with you! There is a big difference between someone leaving a child with a person without much care and then that person killing the child and a case where the mother alleges that she left the child with such a person but is then shown to have killed the child themselves. I think the difficulty though is that if the child neglect case is at present based on the fact that Casey left Caylee with someone whom she had not properly vetted and this caused her to go missing (at the least) it might be hard for them to later come back and say that all of that was wrong and in fact now they have evidence that Casey never left Casey but killed her herself.....JMO :confused:

[SavannahStar]

ITA, keybored, I too feel sorry for the OP.

For AdverseParty - peace and goodwill - I hope you see past the hate and cruelty you perceive and find the truth. :rose:


The hate he/she perceives? You must be kidding. It's palpable. One poster.....I have no remembrance of who it was exactly.....posted at least several times, "I hate the Anthonys" and was not ashamed to admit it. If you can't "perceive" the hatred, you are living in a dream world.

[Regina.Lampert]

Thanks for the link...but I still don't think that it would mean that LE only has until November to file murder charges, even with Florida's law being as it is. For instance, it states that if you lose a child and it results in the child's death, then its one and the same. Casey didn't lose Caylee, she only claims she did, and whatever happened to Caylee is a result of Casey's hand, so it wouldn't be a result of the child neglect (losing Caylee), but a charge that would show that Casey herself is responsible for the death. That's how I read it anyway. I'm no lawyer. JMO

This "loophole" was discussed on Greta's show very early in this case. The defense attorneys all thought it was a great snag for the Prosecution and the prosecution based attorneys all gave their opinion that the DA in Florida knew what they were doing and would avoid having to deal with the double jeopardy possibility in regards to this case.

I trust that the DA's in Florida know what they are doing and so does LE. IMO.

[redcard]

If I remember correctly during the Laci Peterson case...many were of the opinion that the LE could not prove Scott guilty of killing his wife and unborn child.
Well look where he is now.


Without the body.

Without him trying to and getting caught running.

Without the jury deliberately breaking the judges instructions.

Without scott being at the place where the body was likely dumped on the day that forensic experts said he'd have to be there.

Without the cement.

There was a LOT to convict Scott Peterson on.

We don't have HALF of that now. We don't have a tenth of that now. We don't even know (but we strongly suspect) _IF_ Caylee is dead. And even if we did, we don't know how she died.

I was an NG on Scott for one simple reason. I didn't think the state made its case that Scott was a killer. A liar, yes. A jerk, yes. A philanderer , oh yes. But a killer? No, I don't think the evidence existed. But even I've changed my opinions on that.

There is not enough evidence to sustain a murder case right now. In fact, _IF_ it made it past preliminary hearing, i think it'd be dismissed after the prosecution presented.

[rosejustrose]

And why would Casey say she didnt reconize her in the pic that LE showed casey :shrug:if that was really zanny the nanny:shrug:
not buying what this person is selling sorry. jmo

Excellent point, breeze! She gave ZG up as the kidnapper, why not identify her. IMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

And I hope you are never a "victim" of a crime and need LE on your side. By the way I am married to someone in LE, he was there when you find your child not breathing, you are terribly injured in a traffic accident, when you spouse is having a heart attack, when someone is holding a gun to your head. He put his life on the line everyday. I also have a son in LE.

Are there bad apples, sure. Just like everyone shouldn't be a "mother", not everyone should be in LE. If a mother murders her child, does that make every mother a murderer??

If a cop lies, does that mean everyone in LE lies??

I am proud of my husband and my son, they are upstanding people and they put their life on the line everyday protecting you. Many nights and holidays my husband could not be home with his family because he was putting in long hours trying to uphold the law and my son is now doing the same, but both of them went into LE because they cared about protecting and upholding the laws of this country to make this country a safer place, even for people that sit there and call them names and have never walked in their shoes!!!!!!

Exactly :beer:

For those who serve and protect :patriot:

[n/t]

And why would she put herself back out in the spotlight after she has been cleared?

Exactly. If she had something to hide, I'm sure she'd be hiding in a hole very far away from the media.

[anyonesguess]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,399183,00.html

"There are no other calls until the next day. That would be the 17th."

#210 was under construction, the demo apt is #110 per the 400 page documents. jmo


TY Desmom, I didn't think it was the same apt as stated above.

Besides that, she told the BH's that she took Caylee to BP that day and not the apts.

[anyonesguess]

I think Zenaida has a lot to hide and is connected to many associates of Casey's. That is not a coincidence.


ROFLMAO! :lol:

DG Is this like the JFK conspiracy?

[penguinlady]

And I hope you are never a "victim" of a crime and need LE on your side. By the way I am married to someone in LE, he was there when you find your child not breathing, you are terribly injured in a traffic accident, when you spouse is having a heart attack, when someone is holding a gun to your head. He put his life on the line everyday. I also have a son in LE.

Are there bad apples, sure. Just like everyone shouldn't be a "mother", not everyone should be in LE. If a mother murders her child, does that make every mother a murderer??

If a cop lies, does that mean everyone in LE lies??

I am proud of my husband and my son, they are upstanding people and they put their life on the line everyday protecting you. Many nights and holidays my husband could not be home with his family because he was putting in long hours trying to uphold the law and my son is now doing the same, but both of them went into LE because they cared about protecting and upholding the laws of this country to make this country a safer place, even for people that sit there and call them names and have never walked in their shoes!!!!!!

:patriot: for your dh and ds!

K

[True2Blues]

imo, it was a slow news period. casey losing caylee and casey killing caylee are two unconnected acts, and if she lost caylee, she couldn't have killed her accidentally or otherwise. if caylee was kidnapped, and casey failed to report that, and the kidnappers killed caylee, then i can understand how the state would be unable to hold casey accountable for that. i find that to be an unlikely scenario.
jmo


So do I. Caylee went missing when her mother killed her. She didn't wander off into the wilderness and die because no one could find her. Different situation altogether.

[trt]

Hi. I am a lawyer (although in the UK) and I totally agree with you! There is a big difference between someone leaving a child with a person without much care and then that person killing the child and a case where the mother alleges that she left the child with such a person but is then shown to have killed the child themselves. I think the difficulty though is that if the child neglect case is at present based on the fact that Casey left Caylee with someone whom she had not properly vetted and this caused her to go missing (at the least) it might be hard for them to later come back and say that all of that was wrong and in fact now they have evidence that Casey never left Casey but killed her herself.....JMO :confused:

Hmmm...maybe that's it...but I think that they have more than just her made up story of Zani the Nanny to prove child neglect. For instance, they have the failing to report the baby missing at all, the different stories given to different people about Caylee's whereabouts, the fact that Zani the Nanny doesn't even exist, as well as all of Casey's lies about where she worked and the fact that she was dropping Caylee off with Zani while she went to work.
JMO

[desmom]

There is a lot weird about Zenaida. It will be interesting to see if she allows the reporters to show her face tonight instead of shadow blocking it like her last interview.

I think she must not have wanted the public to know her as "Bebe", her myspace page name which shows that she has Jasmine and Michelle....the same two kids listed on her Sawgrass guest card. She also didn't want the public to know that she is connected to Waters and Rose. Especially after Waters so quickly visited Casey in jail.

This cannot be Casey's Zanny because Casey said Zanny did not have any children. Page 141 of the documents jmo

[True2Blues]

Isn't it against TOS to state opinion as fact? Or to say something is fact, without a link?

:shrug:

If there is no link to support the claim, we're supposed to consider it that person's opinion, only.

[redcard]

And I hope you are never a "victim" of a crime and need LE on your side. By the way I am married to someone in LE, he was there when you find your child not breathing, you are terribly injured in a traffic accident, when you spouse is having a heart attack, when someone is holding a gun to your head. He put his life on the line everyday. I also have a son in LE.


Thank you, but I have _BEEN_ a victim of a violent crime, and I picked my guy out of a lineup despite the police trying to pin it on another guy.

I also study law enforcement interrogation techniques, and I know full well that your husband himself, if he's any kind of detective with any kind of interrogation/"interviewing" experience, will tell you outright that they use deception in order to elicit evidence that can be used against you.

Hell, why do you think they TELL you when they arrest you "You have the right to remain silent, you have the right to an attorney... anything you say can and will be used against you."

Miranda is the REASON why the police have to outright WARN YOU. But.. anything you say can be used against you , but anything they say doesn't matter.

It's been tradecraft forever for law enforcement, of all types. If you can't handle that truth, then, I don't know what to say. But stop pretending like it's a bad apple who uses these techniques. DAMN good cops use these techniques. And damn good officers can make mistakes.

[Snoopy50]

And I hope you are never a "victim" of a crime and need LE on your side. By the way I am married to someone in LE, he was there when you find your child not breathing, you are terribly injured in a traffic accident, when you spouse is having a heart attack, when someone is holding a gun to your head. He put his life on the line everyday. I also have a son in LE.

Are there bad apples, sure. Just like everyone shouldn't be a "mother", not everyone should be in LE. If a mother murders her child, does that make every mother a murderer??

If a cop lies, does that mean everyone in LE lies??

I am proud of my husband and my son, they are upstanding people and they put their life on the line everyday protecting you. Many nights and holidays my husband could not be home with his family because he was putting in long hours trying to uphold the law and my son is now doing the same, but both of them went into LE because they cared about protecting and upholding the laws of this country to make this country a safer place, even for people that sit there and call them names and have never walked in their shoes!!!!!!

God bless your hubby and son, Pebbles. as a Mom to two kids in LE, the sacrifices are great. Your post is excellent!:seeya:

[True2Blues]

This cannot be Casey's Zanny because Casey said Zanny did not have any children. Page 141 of the documents jmo


Not to mention the fact that Casey was shown her photo and said it wasn't her nanny.

[anyonesguess]

This cannot be Casey's Zanny because Casey said Zanny did not have any children. Page 141 of the documents jmo


Desmom, you would have to throw proof into the mix. :punch:

;) TY!!!

[Snoopy50]

other posters have already passed out from lack of oxygen.......;)
I have turned a pretty color blue....:tongue:

[rosejustrose]

TY Desmom, I didn't think it was the same apt as stated above.

Besides that, she told the BH's that she took Caylee to BP that day and not the apts.

I think you are correct. Her initial story of dropping Caylee off at the Sawgrass complex was part of the "script" Zanny and her sis told Casey to follow for 30 days, IIRC. It was after the "script" expired that she said they snatched Caylee from her in BP. JMHO.

[Snoopy50]

Hi. I am a lawyer (although in the UK) and I totally agree with you! There is a big difference between someone leaving a child with a person without much care and then that person killing the child and a case where the mother alleges that she left the child with such a person but is then shown to have killed the child themselves. I think the difficulty though is that if the child neglect case is at present based on the fact that Casey left Caylee with someone whom she had not properly vetted and this caused her to go missing (at the least) it might be hard for them to later come back and say that all of that was wrong and in fact now they have evidence that Casey never left Casey but killed her herself.....JMO :confused:


Welcome Courtney and thank you!!!!!:seeya:

[Margo555]

I'm not of the opinion that LE would lie about tests that show decomposition, like some others on this board. They have results leading them to believe she is dead. LE wouldn't lie about that.

Let's see what happens with this California trip....don't get discouraged. The last time she walked out of jail, I felt the same way....we just have to believe that justice will be done in this case. It takes time to build a solid case. We don't want a hung jury. We want the real deal.

Melanie Maguire, Scott Peterson, Michael Peterson....all of these cases...it took some time. In MM's case, it was a year before she was arrested and look at all the evidence they had!!!

I am sure in my heart they have and will have much much more than they have even discussed. All of the tests are back and in, no matter that Baez is trying to spin that and say they aren't. They aren't about to let all of their info and testing out before they have to. I believe they are just gathering and nailing down all of the details and there will be a murder 1 charge soon. JMHO

[Regina.Lampert]

other posters have already passed out from lack of oxygen.......;)



LOL, I'm close....note my cyonotic appearance? ;)

[day2day]

I have turned a pretty color blue....:tongue:

Changes your name from Snoopy to Smurf! :biggrin:

[Snoopy50]

Isn't it against TOS to state opinion as fact? Or to say something is fact, without a link?

:shrug:
Oh probably......:confused:

[marinewife5]

This "loophole" was discussed on Greta's show very early in this case. The defense attorneys all thought it was a great snag for the Prosecution and the prosecution based attorneys all gave their opinion that the DA in Florida knew what they were doing and would avoid having to deal with the double jeopardy possibility in regards to this case.

I trust that the DA's in Florida know what they are doing and so does LE. IMO.

and if jose bought into that, he wouldn't be pouting over LE not sharing evidence as it relates to caylee's death. jmo

[Courtney]

Hmmm...maybe that's it...but I think that they have more than just her made up story of Zani the Nanny to prove child neglect. For instance, they have the failing to report the baby missing at all, the different stories given to different people about Caylee's whereabouts, the fact that Zani the Nanny doesn't even exist, as well as all of Casey's lies about where she worked and the fact that she was dropping Caylee off with Zani while she went to work.
JMO

Seems to me that a child neglect case on the basis that she didn't report Caylee missing is entirely possible and that would avoid any so called 'double jeopardy'. That would certainly seem to fit within the statute definition of child neglect in Florida...JMO


(3)(a) "Neglect of a child" means:

1. A caregiver's failure or omission to provide a child with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain the child's physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the child; or

2. A caregiver's failure to make a reasonable effort to protect a child from abuse, neglect, or exploitation by another person.

Neglect of a child may be based on repeated conduct or on a single incident or omission that results in, or could reasonably be expected to result in, serious physical or mental injury, or a substantial risk of death, to a child.

(b) A person who willfully or by culpable negligence neglects a child and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the child commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(c) A person who willfully or by culpable negligence neglects a child without causing great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the child commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(4) For purposes of this section, "maliciously" means wrongfully, intentionally, and without legal justification or excuse. Maliciousness may be established by circumstances from which one could conclude that a reasonable parent would not have engaged in the damaging acts toward the child for any valid reason and that the primary purpose of the acts was to cause the victim unjustifiable pain or injury.

[True2Blues]

Except all CA has to do is claim that the neglect does have to do with Casey's death. That alone would be enough to trip the double jeopardy clause if this article is to be believed.

The police either has to drop the neglect charges, which means that they're done with that but could refile later, or upgrade them to murder charges.

Like I said, I suspect this is why they are getting other charges together.. just so that they can have some kind of deal to offer Casey.


Actually I believe that Casey will have to PROVE that the neglect led to the death of her child. No Judge is going to declare Double Jeopardy on the say so of a defendant who doesn't want to be tried for murder. Especially one who has proven herself an habitual liar.

[rosejustrose]

Thank you, but I have _BEEN_ a victim of a violent crime, and I picked my guy out of a lineup despite the police trying to pin it on another guy.

I also study law enforcement interrogation techniques, and I know full well that your husband himself, if he's any kind of detective with any kind of interrogation/"interviewing" experience, will tell you outright that they use deception in order to elicit evidence that can be used against you.

Hell, why do you think they TELL you when they arrest you "You have the right to remain silent, you have the right to an attorney... anything you say can and will be used against you."

Miranda is the REASON why the police have to outright WARN YOU. But.. anything you say can be used against you , but anything they say doesn't matter.

It's been tradecraft forever for law enforcement, of all types. If you can't handle that truth, then, I don't know what to say. But stop pretending like it's a bad apple who uses these techniques. DAMN good cops use these techniques. And damn good officers can make mistakes.

I hope you weren't harmed too badly and that you're OK today:rose:

Peace and respect for Caylee:rose:

[Mandysmom]

I sincerely hope you find your way out of the hate. As most of us know, hate breeds hate. :(

:cool:Yes it does.

[Snoopy50]

True answered just a bit upthread. If someone states her opinion as fact without a link, we're to consider it her opinion. :)

Duly noted.:patriot:

[Margo555]

Florida has a very unique law pertaining to double jeopardy that comes into play with child neglect and future murder charges. They need to get murder charges filed before Nov. or risk losing the chance entirely.

I don't believe that is correct at all. They merely need to keep the charges separate. In the neglect case they can discuss that she didn't call LE at all or anyone else for that matter, that she was partying, that she lied about it all to them. For the murder charge they will prove a body in her trunk, that the body belonged to Caylee, that she googled chloroform, that the trunk had chloroform, that the hair belonged to a deceased Caylee, that the stain was blood and belonged to Caylee, that the dirt matched the dirt in her parents back yard and they might even produce little Caylee's body. The two need to remain separate and they will. JMHO on all of course.

[anyonesguess]

AG, or anyone actually, why was the lake never dragged? What about the other park, the other lake that she liked to run around next to the trail? Why wasnt that lake also dragged?
I dont get it. Sending in Divers is great but is it too large to drag, like Big Bear Lake? I dont know the area exp for vacation trips so...

TIA!

Hi jen.....'s

I know the divers were out, but not sure they even went to BP or searched in the water at the apt's. :shrug:

[redcard]

Actually I believe that Casey will have to PROVE that the neglect led to the death of her child. No Judge is going to declare Double Jeopardy on the say so of a defendant who doesn't want to be tried for murder. Especially one who has proven herself an habitual liar.

Right now, she could say she left her daughter on a deserted island, if charges aren't upgraded for murder in the neglect case, it doesn't matter the nature of the neglect. If she's found guilty of the neglect , and the neglect could lead to the death, then it's double jeopardy.

They filed too soon.

[GrandmaGA]

Thank you, but I have _BEEN_ a victim of a violent crime, and I picked my guy out of a lineup despite the police trying to pin it on another guy.

I also study law enforcement interrogation techniques, and I know full well that your husband himself, if he's any kind of detective with any kind of interrogation/"interviewing" experience, will tell you outright that they use deception in order to elicit evidence that can be used against you.

Hell, why do you think they TELL you when they arrest you "You have the right to remain silent, you have the right to an attorney... anything you say can and will be used against you."

Miranda is the REASON why the police have to outright WARN YOU. But.. anything you say can be used against you , but anything they say doesn't matter.

It's been tradecraft forever for law enforcement, of all types. If you can't handle that truth, then, I don't know what to say. But stop pretending like it's a bad apple who uses these techniques. DAMN good cops use these techniques. And damn good officers can make mistakes.


GREAT post, said well.

[jammies]

I have turned a pretty color blue....:tongue:


breath in, breath out :tongue:

[Courtney]

Welcome Courtney and thank you!!!!!:seeya:

Thanks for the welcome Snoopy! It feels good to be part of the discussion for once and not just reading! :)

[EGirl]

This cannot be Casey's Zanny because Casey said Zanny did not have any children. Page 141 of the documents jmo


Casey also couldn't pick her out of a pic line up.

[jammies]

LOL, I'm close....note my cyonotic appearance? ;)


Yeah, but at least your brain is still workin'!



Wonder if Padilla will be on NG tonight....with Yuri on his way and all.

[redcard]

I hope you weren't harmed too badly and that you're OK today:rose:

Peace and respect for Caylee:rose:

Just an assault. I'm fine.

I don't hate cops, quite the opposite. I love law enforcement. But we have to remember, they are human. THis is how they are taught to get people to confess, and it works, and it gets the right people most of the time.

But it can get the wrong people, too. And if someone really believes that officer who says "You know, I can get you for twenty five to life.. we have your prints, we have the murder weapon, we have a witness.... or , we can talk about what happened.. maybe you didn't mean to hit him that hard.. maybe you thought it wasn't going to turn out that way.. you know, it could have been an accident.."

Some people will, even when being in the right, even when they did nothing wrong.. take the 3 years with one suspended instead of the risk of 25 to life.

Which is why I say, and repeat, and all good cops would say the same if it was THEIR butt on the line.. get a lawyer. Be quiet. Don't offer your side, don't offer anything, just talk to your lawyer and let your lawyer represent you.

[happy2bme]

I really have to say, that Zenaida is kinda scary, to me anyways, based on the myspace page, shes seems kinda tough. Who knows what Casey had been involved in these past few years, we know it wasn't Universal, but she was going somewhere, its very possible she did live a double life Cindy didn't know about and she got over her head in something. Stretching yes, but the guy who went and saw Casey right off the bat knows Zenaida, thats not a bit odd? moo


Do we know this as FACT? Do you have a link?

[Lilly12]

I hope they do, but am beginning to doubt that they would.

After Casey goes to jail on neglect, or gets probation, she can continue to be a suspect for the murder case, but the LE lose all leverage. Once someone is in jail, you've taken away the primary bargaining chip you have.. which is mainly to keep them out of jail.

So, that evidence had better show up. Right now, I don't think they can even give enough to show that the girl is dead. And that bothers me. Because if they could show the girl is dead, they could ramp it up with the neglect and make a charge for manslaughter.

Girl? " Show the girl is dead." More like baby or child. moo

[beetlebrow]

other posters have already passed out from lack of oxygen.......;)


:beer: Is it too early to start drinking?

[Ellie]

Uuuummmm..... :seeya:

I would be willing to be this Zanny's myspace page is a fake. Just sayin'. Casey probably had someone set it up to make her look good. Personally I don't know too many 'nannies' who talk like that.

[barskin&co.]

Casey also couldn't pick her out of a pic line up.


Casey could not pick out any Zenaida Gonzalez they had in the Florida system.

[happy2bme]

I think you are correct. Her initial story of dropping Caylee off at the Sawgrass complex was part of the "script" Zanny and her sis told Casey to follow for 30 days, IIRC. It was after the "script" expired that she said they snatched Caylee from her in BP. JMHO.

Don't forget the "script" was invented after some of the forensics came back of a dead body being in the car.

[trich]

And I hope you are never a "victim" of a crime and need LE on your side. By the way I am married to someone in LE, he was there when you find your child not breathing, you are terribly injured in a traffic accident, when you spouse is having a heart attack, when someone is holding a gun to your head. He put his life on the line everyday. I also have a son in LE.

Are there bad apples, sure. Just like everyone shouldn't be a "mother", not everyone should be in LE. If a mother murders her child, does that make every mother a murderer??

If a cop lies, does that mean everyone in LE lies??

I am proud of my husband and my son, they are upstanding people and they put their life on the line everyday protecting you. Many nights and holidays my husband could not be home with his family because he was putting in long hours trying to uphold the law and my son is now doing the same, but both of them went into LE because they cared about protecting and upholding the laws of this country to make this country a safer place, even for people that sit there and call them names and have never walked in their shoes!!!!!!



Exactly!:beer:

[IfIMay]

She can be tried for both, but if the state cannot make the neglect case, there's no way that they can make the murder based on neglect case.

And if they don't act on the neglect case soon, then they'll lose the right to refile. See, two types of limitations come into play here.. the first involves the right to a speedy trial, which I believe she's invoked.

That says that once you are charged with something, you have the right to a speedy trial. She was charged, and now they have until November to proceed or drop.

The other kind of limitations are how long after a supposed crime you can be charged with something. In Florida , neglect to a felony level is 3 years limitation for a child.

They've filed formal charges for Neglect and lying. Her trial is scheduled for November 10th.

[Snoopy50]

breath in, breath out :tongue:


Trying.....sputter.... gag.....:shrug:

[True2Blues]

Right now, she could say she left her daughter on a deserted island, if charges aren't upgraded for murder in the neglect case, it doesn't matter the nature of the neglect. If she's found guilty of the neglect , and the neglect could lead to the death, then it's double jeopardy.

They filed too soon.

It matters very much what the charges of neglect are. At this moment she is charged with not reporting her child missing for 30 days. Something she admitted to herself.

If Casey is charged with murder and wants to claim double jeopardy, she is going to have to prove that Caylee's death occurred after she went missing and because she didn't report her missing. A Judge is not going to take her "Word" for it. There will have to be something to back it up.

If you want to think that a Judge would declare Double Jeopardy without going deeply into the reasons for it, fine. I don't believe that to be the case at all.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Actually I believe that Casey will have to PROVE that the neglect led to the death of her child. No Judge is going to declare Double Jeopardy on the say so of a defendant who doesn't want to be tried for murder. Especially one who has proven herself an habitual liar.

IMO this is a very smart move by LE. They know and can prove the neglect did not result in Caylee's death. The death happened prior to Casey's failure to report Caylee missing. Either way LE takes this. It isn't going to end up in DJ. They have her dead to rights so to speak. She is not going to admit that her neglect *failure to report her child missing* resulted in Caylees death just to prove DJ and get off. The failure to report was to cover up the death of her child. Either way. LE has her nailed to the wall. IMO

Good to see you BTW:seeya:

[WinnieLeigh7]

Right now, she could say she left her daughter on a deserted island, if charges aren't upgraded for murder in the neglect case, it doesn't matter the nature of the neglect. If she's found guilty of the neglect , and the neglect could lead to the death, then it's double jeopardy.

They filed too soon.

No they can't.

Do you really believe that FL would keep a law so "out there" in place??

This simply isn't true. I've seen the statue that you all are referring to, some time back...

and I really am not trying to be rude btw (I never argue on these boards)...

I work in a law office....
and I went to school for this...I can tell you "reading the law" is extremely hard...

even my teacher said the first day of class (when I was in school), I have to teach you people how to read, you think you know how to read...you don't.


Trust me, Casey can (and IMO will) be charged with neglect AND murder!

[Snoopy50]

Thanks for the welcome Snoopy! It feels good to be part of the discussion for once and not just reading! :)
I think you will be quite valuable to the board!!!!:seeya:

[5boxersmom]

I posted on the morning thread. DUH.

I have been without electric for 2 days. Major withdrawl and I missed you all.

Did I miss anything other then the rearrest and Casey bonding out again?

TIA


Caylee:rose:

[Boxer]

Trying.....sputter.... gag.....:shrug:


lifesaver?:D

[Mandysmom]

Without the body.

Without him trying to and getting caught running.

Without the jury deliberately breaking the judges instructions.

Without scott being at the place where the body was likely dumped on the day that forensic experts said he'd have to be there.

Without the cement.

There was a LOT to convict Scott Peterson on.

We don't have HALF of that now. We don't have a tenth of that now. We don't even know (but we strongly suspect) _IF_ Caylee is dead. And even if we did, we don't know how she died.

I was an NG on Scott for one simple reason. I didn't think the state made its case that Scott was a killer. A liar, yes. A jerk, yes. A philanderer , oh yes. But a killer? No, I don't think the evidence existed. But even I've changed my opinions on that.

There is not enough evidence to sustain a murder case right now. In fact, _IF_ it made it past preliminary hearing, i think it'd be dismissed after the prosecution presented.
How is it you know what WE have now? I don't know what LE has at this point.

I doubt you do either.

[True2Blues]

Uuuummmm..... :seeya:

I would be willing to be this Zanny's myspace page is a fake. Just sayin'. Casey probably had someone set it up to make her look good. Personally I don't know too many 'nannies' who talk like that.


Casey spends all day and night on the computer apparently. She may have access to computers at Baez's office as well.

[barskin&co.]

Do we know this as FACT? Do you have a link?

It's utter nonsense.

[Rebel Rouzer]

It matters very much what the charges of neglect are. At this moment she is charged with not reporting her child missing for 30 days. Something she admitted to herself.

If Casey is charged with murder and wants to claim double jeopardy, she is going to have to prove that Caylee's death occurred after she went missing and because she didn't report her missing. A Judge is not going to take her "Word" for it. There will have to be something to back it up.

If you want to think that a Judge would declare Double Jeopardy without going deeply into the reasons for it, fine. I don't believe that to be the case at all.


Yep yep. This would also mean that Casey would have to concede Caylee is deceased. Not alive with ficticious Zanny the nanny/

[Albini]

When NG is finished driving this case into the dirt she'll just move onto her next victim.

Like Casey does?

Caylee, her mother, her friends, her grandmother. There is not one soul this monster will not step on and over to see her own goals met.

The very idea that NG is the responsible party in this case is asinine. Casey is responsible for her daughter, and any consequence of this criminal invesitgation.

Pointing fingers at police and media is an attept at shifting blame to anywhere but where the blame belongs.

I am not willing to do it. Casey knew her daughter was missing for 31 days before she told LE, and only when Cindy made her.

Casey did not attept to find her, lied to the police multiple times, partied and drank and acted like nothing in her life was wrong.

Vilifying the police and the media still does not remove the above facts.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Uuuummmm..... :seeya:

I would be willing to be this Zanny's myspace page is a fake. Just sayin'. Casey probably had someone set it up to make her look good. Personally I don't know too many 'nannies' who talk like that.


Entertain me...LOL

what's the myspace link?

[rosejustrose]

Do we know this as FACT? Do you have a link?


I remember listening to the audio of his visit with Casey but I don't remember ZG's name coming up. And, I just not too good at finding links.

[day2day]

Casey spends all day and night on the computer apparently. She may have access to computers at Baez's office as well.

IIRC i have read that. jmo

[kakax]

I think Zenaida has a lot to hide and is connected to many associates of Casey's. That is not a coincidence.

It was probably the reason she pulled this name out of thin air I'm guessing. Kind of like how she came up with Jeff Hopkins after seeing him briefly after years of not seeing each other.

Juliet Lewis...probably someone else she had heard of over the years.

[redcard]

No they can't.

Do you really believe that FL would keep a law so "out there" in place??


I'm in a state where it is illegal for a man to have sex with a woman not his wife.

Period.

Illegal.

It's never enforced, it's a stupid law, but you get the right prosecutor with a burr up his butt, and he can make someone's life hell.

You talk about how you work in a law office. Well, then you know there are a lot of laws out there, some of which have unintended consequences. We'll see if this law is one such law.

[barskin&co.]

Entertain me...LOL

what's the myspace link?

Heeeeeere's Zenaida!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=97717608

[rosejustrose]

:beer: Is it too early to start drinking?


He!! no! It's 5 o'clock somewhere:beer:

[happy2bme]

Heeeeeere's Zenaida!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=97717608



Thanks Ed...um I mean Barskin.:tongue:

[kakax]

"Woman Accused of Taking Caylee Anthony Explains How Life Has Changed"

During Zenaida's first interview she tried to play the victim all the way down to not being able to find a job because of Casey's case.

Spare me Zenaida.

I know deep down you don't mean that.:rose: Can you imagine having that name?

[Margo555]

A partial explanation of double jeopardy on Wikipedia.

Double jeopardy is also not implicated for separate offenses or in separate jurisdictions arising from the same act. For example, in United States v. Felix 503 U.S. 378 (1992), the Supreme Court ruled: 'a[n]...offense and a conspiracy to commit that offense are not the same offense for double jeopardy purposes.'

As another example, a state might try a defendant for murder, after which the federal government might try the same defendant for a federal crime (perhaps a civil rights violation or kidnapping) related to the same act.

This means to me that any new charges relating to the Child Neglect act can be filed as long as they aren't child neglect. And since murder 1 is a different charge but is related to the child neglect, it is not double jeopardy. JMHO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy

[Boxer]

Heeeeeere's Zenaida!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=97717608


lol, male 31:D

[True2Blues]

IMO this is a very smart move by LE. They know and can prove the neglect did not result in Caylee's death. The death happened prior to Casey's failure to report Caylee missing. Either way LE takes this. It isn't going to end up in DJ. They have her dead to rights so to speak. She is not going to admit that her neglect *failure to report her child missing* resulted in Caylees death just to prove DJ and get off. The failure to report was to cover up the death of her child. Either way. LE has her nailed to the wall. IMO

Good to see you BTW:seeya:

:seeya: I agree. I don't see DJ in this case. The charges brought will not be that Caylee died because Casey lost her and didn't report it. They will be that Casey killed her and then tried to cover it up.

[penguinlady]

Its set at private now.

http://www.myspace.com/166182731

So one of Zenaida's (male) friends visited Casey at the jail?? Maybe that is how Casey got Zenaida's name. She is friends with him? He may have gone there to yell at her for using his friends name??

:shrug:

[WinnieLeigh7]

I'm in a state where it is illegal for a man to have sex with a woman not his wife.

Period.

Illegal.

It's never enforced, it's a stupid law, but you get the right prosecutor with a burr up his butt, and he can make someone's life hell.

You talk about how you work in a law office. Well, then you know there are a lot of laws out there, some of which have unintended consequences. We'll see if this law is one such law.


LOL You're right...

Im in one where certain "styles" are illegal, regardless of marriage...


But I guess I'm relying on the fact that this is MURDER...

We're not talking about ol' blue laws...

This is Murder, if there was such a loop hole, it would have already been tried and the law would have already been re-written!


And Beaz doesn't have what it takes to even attempt to invent such twist...much less pull off any successfulness to it.

[Pebbles]

Thank you, but I have _BEEN_ a victim of a violent crime, and I picked my guy out of a lineup despite the police trying to pin it on another guy.

I also study law enforcement interrogation techniques, and I know full well that your husband himself, if he's any kind of detective with any kind of interrogation/"interviewing" experience, will tell you outright that they use deception in order to elicit evidence that can be used against you.

Hell, why do you think they TELL you when they arrest you "You have the right to remain silent, you have the right to an attorney... anything you say can and will be used against you."

Miranda is the REASON why the police have to outright WARN YOU. But.. anything you say can be used against you , but anything they say doesn't matter.

It's been tradecraft forever for law enforcement, of all types. If you can't handle that truth, then, I don't know what to say. But stop pretending like it's a bad apple who uses these techniques. DAMN good cops use these techniques. And damn good officers can make mistakes.



So set all the criminals in jail free! I am sure you will feel safer!

[kitty1182]

Heeeeeere's Zenaida!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=97717608

hahahaha:lol::lol:.....

[rosejustrose]

Uuuummmm..... :seeya:

I would be willing to be this Zanny's myspace page is a fake. Just sayin'. Casey probably had someone set it up to make her look good. Personally I don't know too many 'nannies' who talk like that.

Do you all remember that little 13 year old who committed suicide after the adult parent of one of her ex-friends duped her into believing she was a boy interested in her and then turned on the little girl with psych problems? IIRC, Tom, the myspace administrator, 100% cooperated with LE and tracked the IP addresses down. I'm sure FL LE and the FBI have already asked the myspace folks to do this for all links to Casey and Lee, for that matter. Facebook, too. These guys are IT sharp in this day and age. They'll track it down and it will all go towards smashing the house of cards Casey has built. IMO, it's barely going to take a baby's breath to blow her away in court. JMHO>

ETA: Wouldn't be surprised if they contacted these Caylee related message board admin and did the same.

[joint-heir]

Zenaida is a male 31 years old?

[crymeariver2006]

I remember listening to the audio of his visit with Casey but I don't remember ZG's name coming up. And, I just not too good at finding links.

The only audio release we heard was when some guy named Patrick visited Casey. Apparently he went to high school with her, she didn't recognize him - until after he left.

But you're right, ZG was never mentioned in that visit.

After that, Casey cancelled all visits with friends (IF any had already signed up), opting to only have family during the 3 visiting times of the week. Eventually, she'd turn all of them away. Until she was released on bond and then it was like old home week - hugs and kisses.

[5boxersmom]

Hey 5BM! Good to see you back, sometimes I wonder about posters when they disappear for a few days. Has anyone heard from Lynn Gweeney? Was she near the Galvaston destruction at all? I've not seen our link queen in days, since after her birthday. Glad you are OK we have people who hit poles and then WHAM our transformers blow and we will be out for days. It's very inconvienant! Scary too, winding roads and all that jazz.

It is a mess here. Are the other Ohio posters here?

What was the link over on the link thread about a Grandmother trying to get a restraining order against Cindy. I clicked on it but couldn 't find the story.

Caylee:rose:

[barskin&co.]

Zenaida is a male 31 years old?

Yeah, you wouldn't have thought that from Casey's description would you? :biggrin:

[WinnieLeigh7]

Heeeeeere's Zenaida!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=97717608



Thanks Johnny....

[bluwaters]

Please Light a Candle for Caylee

Click any unlit candle to begin.


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

[Courtney]

It matters very much what the charges of neglect are. At this moment she is charged with not reporting her child missing for 30 days. Something she admitted to herself.

If Casey is charged with murder and wants to claim double jeopardy, she is going to have to prove that Caylee's death occurred after she went missing and because she didn't report her missing. A Judge is not going to take her "Word" for it. There will have to be something to back it up.

If you want to think that a Judge would declare Double Jeopardy without going deeply into the reasons for it, fine. I don't believe that to be the case at all.

ITA - it seems to me that the main thing to remember in all of this is that if the substance of the neglect case is that she failed to report Caylee missing, therefore potentially putting her at harm and (to be blunt) not caring about her either way, that is not going to give rise to a murder charge in itself. It could be manslaughter (possibly) but not murder. She can only be charged with murder if there is evidence that she herself killed Caylee or (I suppose) paid or forced someone else to do it on her say so. The two cannot be related. If her death occurred after she went missing and because she didn't report Caylee missing there doesn't seem to me to be any way in which a murder charge could be brought in any event. For the record, I am sure that the ADA (who I am positive knows far more about the way the statutes are interpreted by the courts that I do!!) would have thought about all of this at the very beginning. Us lawyers don't tend to do anything at without having thought through every eventuality - it's just the way we are!!!! ... JMO

[True2Blues]

Yep yep. This would also mean that Casey would have to concede Caylee is deceased. Not alive with ficticious Zanny the nanny/


This is true. I don't see Casey as the type to take responsibility for anything.

[beetlebrow]

Hammer Time.....Break it down....

http://www.wftv.com/news/17193405/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news

In this article about LE not being able to try Casey with murder after trying her for neglect the attorney says:

"If you lose a kid and that results in the childs death, thats one and the same case, because those are manslaughter charges".

LE is charging Casey with neglect because of her actions after Caylee went missing.

LE has stated that they believe that Caylee is dead.

If LE had proof Caylee was dead they would skip the neglect charges and just charge her with murder.

IMO The murder and neglect charges are not the SAME charges.

[crymeariver2006]

Oh, poor girl, I wonder how many Scott Petersons came forth and cried about how affected their lives were. She needs to be suing places if they are discriminating against her because of this Caylee case, there is no need to interview this woman again in my book, unless its at police headquarters. moo

Actually there was another Scott Peterson in Modesto who received repeated phone calls from the media.

[WinnieLeigh7]

uuhhh is that a dude??

[desmom]

It was probably the reason she pulled this name out of thin air I'm guessing. Kind of like how she came up with Jeff Hopkins after seeing him briefly after years of not seeing each other.

Juliet Lewis...probably someone else she had heard of over the years.

Yep Casey did spend a lot of time on the computer because "she was allowed to work from home on her laptop". She probably checked out her myspace friends' friends looking for people she could invite to the club. Some names probably stuck with her.
jmo

[Ellie]

I think Nanny was more of Caseys talk for a babysitter. Nannies are a sign of wealth and prestige, babysitter is just not as glamorous. moo I did see that myspace when it wasn't private and it was not just made in a day, she had a slideshow of her kids and stuff originally. moo

I guess that depends on who you ask. When I was in college I worked for a family part time when I wasn't at my regular job, and they called me their 'nanny' (I lived out, too).

But I guess what constitutes a 'nanny' doesn't really matter.

And if this was really her nanny or babysitter, how come Casey didn't know this lady has kids?

I can't tell you how much I HOPE Caylee is alive and well in Puerto Rico or somewhere, running and playing on the beach and learning to speak Spanish, eating tortillas and searching for starfish. Sadly though, I really don't think that's the case.

[trt]

Right now, she could say she left her daughter on a deserted island, if charges aren't upgraded for murder in the neglect case, it doesn't matter the nature of the neglect. If she's found guilty of the neglect , and the neglect could lead to the death, then it's double jeopardy.

They filed too soon.

Again, if the prosecution can prove that the death didn't occur as a result of her dropping Caylee anywhere, but at her hands, then the double jeopardy rule doesn't apply. The escalation charge would only apply if the prosecution fails to prove that Casey didn't drop her child off, which, based on all her lies regarding the *drop off*, they would have no problem doing so.

Her being found guilty of neglect(for failing to report her child missing) would have no bearing on a murder charge since evidence would point to her being the culprit and not a mystery drop off person.

[trich]

I can't help but notice on this afternoon's thread, you would have to be blind not to have noticed, how so many are so anxious to attack the LE and to think they know the law better then the Attorney General , the FBI and the LE .
It is okay for the authorities to lie to a "person of interest" especially when they know the "person of interest" is lying.
They are within the law by doing that especially when you have suspects that try to lead them astray with all the stories they tell
to avoid being convicted of a crime they have committed.
Especially when they are trying to blame another party for something they have done.

I suspect that too many of Casey's and the rest of the Anthony's lies are so blatant now that these accusations about the authorities are just another smoke screen to try and deny the truth.(by those who for for some reason I will never understand believe this Nanny story).....Casey knew her daughter was "gone" 31 days before anyone else did ....that most certainly is a fact....is there actually a person that can say that was not wrong....assuming even if you want to believe she did not harm her herself.
:shrug:

[True2Blues]

ITA - it seems to me that the main thing to remember in all of this is that if the substance of the neglect case is that she failed to report Caylee missing, therefore potentially putting her at harm and (to be blunt) not caring about her either way, that is not going to give rise to a murder charge in itself. It could be manslaughter (possibly) but not murder. She can only be charged with murder if there is evidence that she herself killed Caylee or (I suppose) paid or forced someone else to do it on her say so. The two cannot be related. If her death occurred after she went missing and because she didn't report Caylee missing there doesn't seem to me to be any way in which a murder charge could be brought in any event. For the record, I am sure that the ADA (who I am positive knows far more about the way the statutes are interpreted by the courts that I do!!) would have thought about all of this at the very beginning. Us lawyers don't tend to do anything at without having thought through every eventuality - it's just the way we are!!!! ... JMO

Thank you and Welcome! :seeya:

[desmom]

Ok, I know most hate me right now, lol, but if you look at this pic of Zenaida in the back, dosent it almost look like there is a little brown haired girl sitting there?

http://www.myspace.com/166182731

I know I am prob seeing things, but does anyone else see that?

There is a blur in the background. It could be brown hair. IIRC, both of her daughters have brown hair. jmo

[happy2bme]

One way to determine that is if Zenaida allows reporters tonight to show her face. She requested to be shadowed out in her last interview. The "Zenaida/Bebe" on the myspace page has kids named Jasmine and Michelle.....the same names that Zenaida has on her Sawgrass guest card.

That is not a coincidence.

It is also not a coincidence that Zenaida/Bebe has Waters and Rose on her myspace page as friends and that Waters hurried to the jail to speak with Casey.

hmmmm wonder why Casey wasn't a friend if she babysat for 2 years?:rolleyes: so because someone's face is shadowed it makes a difference?

[summer4meplz]

Tonight At 11: Zenaida Gonzalez Talks To WESH

http://www.wesh.com/news/17485195/detail.html

that sounds like it will be about as pertinent as john carr...or whatever that psychos name is that claimed to be jon benet's murderer...

[penguinlady]

Ok, I know most hate me right now, lol, but if you look at this pic of Zenaida in the back, dosent it almost look like there is a little brown haired girl sitting there?

http://www.myspace.com/166182731

I know I am prob seeing things, but does anyone else see that?


Kinda.... :confused:

[trich]

Again, if the prosecution can prove that the death didn't occur as a result of her dropping Caylee anywhere, but at her hands, then the double jeopardy rule doesn't apply. The escalation charge would only apply if the prosecution fails to prove that Casey didn't drop her child off, which, based on all her lies regarding the *drop off*, they would have no problem doing so.

Her being found guilty of neglect(for failing to report her child missing) would have no bearing on a murder charge since evidence would point to her being the culprit and not a mystery drop off person.



Works for me!!!

[SavannahStar]

A partial explanation of double jeopardy on Wikipedia.



This means to me that any new charges relating to the Child Neglect act can be filed as long as they aren't child neglect. And since murder 1 is a different charge but is related to the child neglect, it is not double jeopardy. JMHO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy

I wish our attorney would get on and weigh in on this (impartial). I really respect her opinions, she's very respected in her field.

[crymeariver2006]

Zenaida is a male 31 years old?

Nah, she took all that nanny money and got herself a sex change operation!

:D

[FoxySly]

I sincerely hope you find your way out of the hate. As most of us know, hate breeds hate. :(

I do too.

I have only used the h word on two people since realizing just what it truly meant at age 13.
One is now dead & can never hurt another Child, the other is on her way & is way to old to hurt Children any more.

Sometimes a poster needs to step away from the board when they are feeling the way the poster you quoted feels. IMO

Sly

[jill collins]

Heeeeeere's Zenaida!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=97717608

Good grief!!! That was awful!

[rosejustrose]

Hiyas AG you know I just dont get it :shrug: Maybe I am starting to lose faith in LE. Last night I was up late and also read up on a few cases in the FL area. One was the jogger, found on the 9th of all days, the other Jennifer K case which has always always given me terrible nightmares. What is bothering me; is the Duckett case and these three cases. We have absolutely No Suspects, No Arrests, and No Justice. So, is there are problem in LE over there? Are they bumbling idiots as some have suggested or are killers just becoming savvy. Is it just luck? How did Jennifer just disappear off the face of this earth? And Trenton? Sold, again, so much like Casey's case, she just wont kill herself though. I dont think her ego would allow it.

Why those lakes were not dragged, why these places of Casey's that were CAYLEES FAVORITE PLACE, why hasnt there been Searches in these locals, every single weekend? Like they did with Jessie Davis? It hurts my heart to know that the community cannot come together for Caylee, because of hatred towards her "care givers" who failed her.

I understand it; but I think that searches need to start, each weekend, in those favorite places. Most likely THAT is where Caylee was left, or if buried, that is where she is. Maybe there is a small burn site, it's somewhere, and it's somewhere Accesible.

Im glad LE has those gas cans. George, you should have never lied about them. Big Problem for Me Over Here :shrug:



Hi Jenny! IIRC, Melinda Duckett was the #POI and her suicide sought of clinched her complicity, IMO. They have a suspect on tape, albeit too fuzzy to make out, for Jennifer. IMO, in this case, the community is torn because of Casey and her lies. To the average person it is just inconceivable that a mother would lie so effortlessly when discussing her baby who has been missing for 3 long months, IMO. I can understand the disgust but unfortunately the divided community is hurting the search for Caylee. On the other hand, it's really hard for anyone to figure out where to search when so much time went by before poor little Caylee was reported missing. IMO, Casey could have taken her out of state and disposed of her. There are some gaps in her timeline, IMO. It's all just so very sad and disturbing.

I hope we all take a moment to light a candle for Caylee and let her pure and innocent soul know we care and love her. Peace and respect is what Caylee deserves, IMO.:rose:

[impartial]

A partial explanation of double jeopardy on Wikipedia.



This means to me that any new charges relating to the Child Neglect act can be filed as long as they aren't child neglect. And since murder 1 is a different charge but is related to the child neglect, it is not double jeopardy. JMHO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy



A simple case of double jeopardy: A man was tried and convicted for arson. Another man was killed in the fire. The State tried to file felony murder charges after the arson conviction. The Court dismissed the felony murder charges based on double jeopardy. I posted the link to this case several days ago.

If facts are used in one trial to support the charge, those facts have been litigated, and cannot be used again for a subsequent trial, as double jeopardy attached in the first trial.

IMO

[frances1]

Quick question


Why are we going back to discussing Zanny again? Is it because of the whole ZG interview coming up? This ZG was interviewed before. From what I got out of the article is that it is merely to show how her life has been changed because of Casey's lies. Did I miss something?

I don't think so. Just hype for WESH, IMO. They're getting nothing from LE, so rehashing old stuff.

[Regina.Lampert]

Changes your name from Snoopy to Smurf! :biggrin:

................:tongue:

[WinnieLeigh7]

Heeeeeere's Zenaida!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=97717608




When I say entertain me for future reference...you're to ignore that request...

LOLOLOL J/K

[Pooh]

I posted on the morning thread. DUH.

I have been without electric for 2 days. Major withdrawl and I missed you all.

Did I miss anything other then the rearrest and Casey bonding out again?

TIA


Caylee:rose:
electricity out here too. I'm on an air card in order to read what is going on!! Withdrawal is terrible! 48 hours so far with no end in sight. Totally ridiculous. I live in Columbus, OH (Worthington actually). Never seen anything like this.

Nothing earth-shattering has happened in this case. Casey got re-arrested and was supposed to bond out earlier today but I haven't heard if she left the jail yet or not. Anyone know?

[summer4meplz]

Don't forget cindy said there was a zenaida gonzales that lived on their block..

[kakax]

I have a confession to make.

This day of peace isn't so easy for me.

Casey, where is Caylee????:(

[penguinlady]

I am just sayin, lol.

I am sorry, I really want this little girl to not be dead and just have a whacked out family, but at least be living, I never should have watched the 20/20 thing with all those live video shots.


:rose: for you.

We all really want her to be alive and safe somewhere. I can't watch the youtube videos or anything like that. I learned the hard way. One afternoon my boss caught me crying my eyes out.

K

[SavannahStar]

A simple case of double jeopardy: A man was tried and convicted for arson. Another man was killed in the fire. The State tried to file felony murder charges after the arson conviction. The Court dismissed the felony murder charges based on double jeopardy. I posted the link to this case several days ago.

If facts are used in one trial to support the charge, those facts have been litigated, and cannot be used again for a subsequent trial, as double jeopardy attached in the first trial.

IMO

Thank you.....I've been looking for you and your opinion on this!!!! :seeya:

[happy2bme]

Yes but that looks like an older child, probably Jasmine or Michelle.

Someone has recently sent all of her information to the FBI along with Waters and Rose's information.


Do you not think that if that was Caylee she would have deleted the darn picture? Sheesh...

[beetlebrow]

Nah, she took all that nanny money and got herself a sex change operation!

:D

OMG :eek:.....you've solved the case!!!!! Better get this info to LE asap :hat:

[domvan]

Would somebody please give me the link to the webcam again. Mine only works like for one day that it crashes. Thanks in advance.

[dixie77]

Hi all Just got home........in a nutshell, can someone fill me in please? thanks

[rosejustrose]

It matters very much what the charges of neglect are. At this moment she is charged with not reporting her child missing for 30 days. Something she admitted to herself.

If Casey is charged with murder and wants to claim double jeopardy, she is going to have to prove that Caylee's death occurred after she went missing and because she didn't report her missing. A Judge is not going to take her "Word" for it. There will have to be something to back it up.

If you want to think that a Judge would declare Double Jeopardy without going deeply into the reasons for it, fine. I don't believe that to be the case at all.

I tend to agree with you. IIRC, Casey has never waived for her basic claim that Caylee was taken by ZG. She lied about everything else, but this is the one thing she has not moved off of. IMO, Casey will maintain until the bitter end that ZG has/took Caylee. I'm not sure how that will figure into the defense or prosecution of Casey, though. JMHO.

[SavannahStar]

I have discussed this with impartial just last night and she is of the same opinion based on Florida law.

She did:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12129641&highlight=jeopardy#post12129641


Sorry I missed the discussion last night, thank you guys.

[5boxersmom]

electricity out here too. I'm on an air card in order to read what is going on!! Withdrawal is terrible! 48 hours so far with no end in sight. Totally ridiculous. I live in Columbus, OH (Worthington actually). Never seen anything like this.

Nothing earth-shattering has happened in this case. Casey got re-arrested and was supposed to bond out earlier today but I haven't heard if she left the jail yet or not. Anyone know?

I had no way to get on. Hang in there. It only took them 5 minutes to fix it after they got here.


I heard Baez saying Casey was standing up to the LE. What's that about?

Caylee:rose::rose:

[Courtney]

Ok, I know most hate me right now, lol, but if you look at this pic of Zenaida in the back, dosent it almost look like there is a little brown haired girl sitting there?

http://www.myspace.com/166182731

I know I am prob seeing things, but does anyone else see that?

Unless I am too, I don't think you are going mad! It looks as if there is a little girl on the very left hand side with bobbed dark hair, a pink top on and her legs pulled up to her chest....weird! Someone mentioned that it could be a daughter. Be interesting to know how old they are as the girl in the photo looks about 4 or 5....JMO :confused:

[anyonesguess]

Ok, I know most hate me right now, lol, but if you look at this pic of Zenaida in the back, dosent it almost look like there is a little brown haired girl sitting there?

http://www.myspace.com/166182731

I know I am prob seeing things, but does anyone else see that?


She has children, so I don't find anything wrong with the picture imo

[Boxer]

maybe that is why LE has only released certain facts? some will be used for neglect, some for putting the murdering so and so in prison for the death of her child.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Nah, she took all that nanny money and got herself a sex change operation!

:D

LMAO Did you see that picture....caption

HAHAHAHAHA

[rosejustrose]

I was referring to NG's "victim" as whichever case she decides to drive into the dirt next.

She isn't fussy about her chosen prisoners, not even her own guests!


OK, I agree with you there. Sometimes I wonder why anyone would agree to be on NG. She scathing to her guests that it makes you wonder if maybe they've done something really terrible. IMO.

[crymeariver2006]

Juliette Lewis, IS Mallory Knox from Natural Born Killers

You should rent it if you havnt' seen it. I think this is who Casey wants to be. I really do. She certainly has no other ambitions in life.

:shrug:


She also played Audrey in Christmas Vacation.

;)

[dixie77]

Did LE go to Ca. today? anyone know thanks

[crymeariver2006]

LMAO Did you see that picture....caption

HAHAHAHAHA

Yes! And my dogs loved the music!

[beetlebrow]

maybe that is why LE has only released certain facts? some will be used for neglect, some for putting the murdering so and so in prison for the death of her child.

ITA!!!!!.....its really very simple isnt it? ;)

[Margo555]

A simple case of double jeopardy: A man was tried and convicted for arson. Another man was killed in the fire. The State tried to file felony murder charges after the arson conviction. The Court dismissed the felony murder charges based on double jeopardy. I posted the link to this case several days ago.

If facts are used in one trial to support the charge, those facts have been litigated, and cannot be used again for a subsequent trial, as double jeopardy attached in the first trial.

IMO

Then really all they have to do is to not go into the fact that she didn't report the child missing and that she lied at the interview. They can start with taking her car into custody and what was found in it and what she did from that point forward. I think they can keep the two separate. JMHO

[SavannahStar]

It was thought that the prosecutor in the Duke lacrosse rape case knew what he was doing also.
JMO


:eek: Good one! :chicken:

[WillowInFlight]

Did LE go to Ca. today? anyone know thanks

They are leaving on Thursday to go out there.

[beetlebrow]

Yes! And my dogs loved the music!

OK..I'm showing this MYSPACE set to private....how are u viewing it???

[domvan]

Any action on the webcam today? I can't get mine to work. Anybody got a new link please.

[crymeariver2006]

It was thought that the prosecutor in the Duke lacrosse rape case knew what he was doing also.
JMO


I never thought he knew what he was doing.

But that aside, I have yet to see the prosecutor in THIS case going on tv with interviews attesting to Casey's bad character.

[jammies]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71216&page=6


post #131


re: beba/Zany

[impartial]

Thank you.....I've been looking for you and your opinion on this!!!! :seeya:


Hi :seeya:


A legal brief on double jeopardy would be several pages of citations and argument ... In a nutshell:

I think LE screwed up by filing the neglect charges when they did. Now they are faced with a November trial date. They have put the pressure on to find Caylee before they go to trial.

They run the risk of double jeopardy attaching at the neglect trial, unless they limit the neglect solely to failure to report Caylee missing, and do not present facts or evidence of the circumstances surrounding her missing or the reasons therefore.

This will be hard to do ... Baez can bring these issues up on cross-examination.

The neglect charges, however, wouldn't preclude a subsequent Murder 1 charge ... because of the premeditated intentional aspect of murder 1. But it could preclude lesser homicide charges that would result as a product of neglect ... ie. Casey left Caylee in the car, and Caylee died of heat exhaustion.

I know people will respond to this with Wiki cites ... ;)

IMO

[Courtney]

Yeah, she has a boy cut, maybe she has a boy?

Just out of interest this profile says that ZG aka 'Beba' lives in Kissimee, Flevoland. Is that near to where Casey lived? Sorry if I'm being daft but being from the UK I'm just not sure!

[st777jo]

Originally Posted by CiaoBella View Post
I think Nanny was more of Caseys talk for a babysitter. Nannies are a sign of wealth and prestige, babysitter is just not as glamorous. moo I did see that myspace when it wasn't private and it was not just made in a day, she had a slideshow of her kids and stuff originally. moo


My grandmother was called Nanny. My mother is called Nanny. Neither had wealth. jmo

[Acorn]

Don't forget cindy said there was a zenaida gonzales that lived on their block..

I put that on my list of lies. There's a Gonzalez family, but nobody with the first name of Zenaida.

Cindy was trying to place the blame on someone else...again...as usual. Just Casey playing into Cindy's apparent dislike of Hispanics - from the story relayed by Kio.

moo

[Shellberry]

One way to determine that is if Zenaida allows reporters tonight to show her face. She requested to be shadowed out in her last interview. The "Zenaida/Bebe" on the myspace page has kids named Jasmine and Michelle.....the same names that Zenaida has on her Sawgrass guest card.

That is not a coincidence.

It is also not a coincidence that Zenaida/Bebe has Waters and Rose on her myspace page as friends and that Waters hurried to the jail to speak with Casey.

oh wow, interesting, very interesting!


imo/jmo

barskin-you are too much LOL
that dudes friends like him a lot -did you read some of the comments?

[Rebel Rouzer]

A simple case of double jeopardy: A man was tried and convicted for arson. Another man was killed in the fire. The State tried to file felony murder charges after the arson conviction. The Court dismissed the felony murder charges based on double jeopardy. I posted the link to this case several days ago.

If facts are used in one trial to support the charge, those facts have been litigated, and cannot be used again for a subsequent trial, as double jeopardy attached in the first trial.

IMO

The Arson caused the death of the man. The neglect in this case did not cause Caylee Anthony's death. :read:

[StickyBeak]

This has probably been posted, but found it interesting

J P Chatt? Ricardo brother, I believe casey lived with him. Does resemble Caylee.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/could-this-be-caylees-father/

[kakax]

It was thought that the prosecutor in the Duke lacrosse rape case knew what he was doing also.
JMO

Can we give these people the benefit of the doubt? Sheesh, they haven't even presented anything in court. Remember Casey? She is the one that has lied here?

I know the FBI has been in on this investigation, I feel sure that profilers are giving them ideas on how to handle this pathological liar.

I don't understand why some people just jump to the conclusion that these DA's, investigators are crooked. So far I haven't seen any abuse of power.

[Boxer]

I have a neighbor who reports everything to the FBI complete with screen shots of imagined crimes too!



Glad FBI has been in on Caylee's case for a long while now. They always look nice when they testify in murder cases.

[dixie77]

They are leaving on Thursday to go out there.
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Thanks, Willow

[Shellberry]

Just out of interest this profile says that ZG aka 'Beba' lives in Kissimee, Flevoland. Is that near to where Casey lived? Sorry if I'm being daft but being from the UK I'm just not sure!

Kissime is very close to orlando.



imo/jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Then really all they have to do is to not go into the fact that she didn't report the child missing and that she lied at the interview. They can start with taking her car into custody and what was found in it and what she did from that point forward. I think they can keep the two separate. JMHO

They can. Caylee's disappearance has yet to be classified as a homicide or deemed anything except a missing persons case.

[day2day]

It is a mess here. Are the other Ohio posters here?

What was the link over on the link thread about a Grandmother trying to get a restraining order against Cindy. I clicked on it but couldn 't find the story.

Caylee:rose:

I have family there boxersmom. They were hit hard. I hope you are ok?! They might not have electric back for a week...:eek:

She is the grandma of the 11 year old that ended up in the hospital over this mess. :(

[barskin&co.]

Juliette Lewis, IS Mallory Knox from Natural Born Killers

You should rent it if you havnt' seen it. I think this is who Casey wants to be. I really do. She certainly has no other ambitions in life.

:shrug:

Juliette Lewis has had a very successful career for a young actor:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000496/

I don't think she ever counted on playing a major role in the warped fantasies of Casey Anthony, though.