Tuesday Afternoon/Early Evening - Sept. 16th

[Rayosunshine]

Has there been any mention of who Casey's friends were prior to this mess? That is, not including the Fusian, Sawgrass, Oviedo group. I am talking prior to 2008.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Rebel Rouzer]

Pfft..you never say i'm a doll. AND i have been on my best behavior today! ....:o


AHHH You know you are a doll. Enjoy all of your posts and the support you give for the victims in all of this mess. :rose:

[rosejustrose]

I am so proud of our friends here who were able to go search! And I am proud of LE for continuing to search for the WHOLE truth.

Caylee...:rose:

For the Searchers and TES, God help them recover from Ike:rose:

For Caylee, the special little girl that brought us all together not matter what our points of view and opinions:rose:

[cassidy]

that's me.:shrug:


And my daughter and most of her friends and the clerk at the local WalGreens and the intern in my office last summer........... ad infinitum...:shrug:

[dtviewer]

Any idea how old the "real" Zanny is supposed to be? :shrug:


Casey said she was 26.

[summer4meplz]

:DHow old would you like her to be?:biggrin:

:lol:That was hilarious...I was probably 3 posts down before it struck me just how funny that really was....

It's just so fitting with how crazy casey's stories are...never ever in all my long years have I seen anything like this case!!

[steffaroob4]

Casey said she was 26.

And her birthday was in September.

[forensicnut]

How old would you like her to be?:biggrin:


Okay, okay....I know most on the board think that she doesn't exist.

I'm just a super obsessed web sleuth and can't let it go. I'll go in my corner now and talk to myself about her.
:chicken:

[Boxer]

Zanny? hammer

well, I have curly but sometimes straight hair thanks to my chi.

even the description she gave of Zanny is so vague. no tats, no nothing to pin down, 4 addresses and none of them any good. buncha caca.

[rosejustrose]

Last nite, I believe on NG, they showed the clip of the back of Cindy's head as she got all up in that van woman's face. My SO hadn't seen it, doesn't really keep up with the case (unless I'm on a rant and he's trapped in the room with me but has had no use for G or C from the very beginning. He's been of the opinion that someone in that house in addition to Casey is up to their necks in a cover up.

Anyhoo, as he's watching Cindy confront the van woman, he yells 'Hit her!' at the van woman. 'Just pop her one right in the chops!' :D

Okay. He's a guy. :punch:


I think a lot of gals might have been yelling the same thing:o

[barskin&co.]

TY.

Would 28 be old for her then? There are alot of Zenaida's in the 20-30 age.

I am stuck on her for some reason, since I do believe Cindy and Lee when they said that Casey has been talking about Zanny for a year and 1/2, prior to her disappearance.

I'm a true devil's advocate and am trying to figure out if she really does exist.

She claimed to have heard about a "Zanny," not a "Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez." However, she never met her, saw a picture of her, talked on the phone to her, knew her address, knew her phone number, or (as she admitted to reporters) heard Caylee say her name or talk about her.

[spageddy]

I've been gone for few hours at the most- and now there's a whole new cast of characters? Laura, Waters, Chatt, William. How's a poster to keep up? This is still the Caylee Anthony thread, right?

[CinTN]

Next she's going to say that Casey was merely attempting to provide stress relief for overworked LE officials when her pants malfunctioned :o
:lol: ROFLMAO:lol:

[day2day]

AHHH You know you are a doll. Enjoy all of your posts and the support you give for the victims in all of this mess. :rose:

Aww thanks Reb..ya know i love you and ALL you have done for Caylee...
you are a hero in my book. :rose:

[forensicnut]

And her birthday was in September.

TY and TY too dtviewer.

Sure wish I had access to New York Birth records. Even though I have no clue if she's ever been married.

[Boxer]

I think a lot of gals might have been yelling the same thing:o

I was yelling, but at both of them. I liked and miss roller derby.

[rosejustrose]

This from the mother of the F Bomb Princess?

Yup, this from the F Bomb Queen who birthed the F Bomb Princess or Princess Pantsonfire as she is now know. :D

[crymeariver2006]

And her birthday was in September.

And her stepfather, Victor, bought her a car.

[day2day]

well, I have curly but sometimes straight hair thanks to my chi.

even the description she gave of Zanny is so vague. no tats, no nothing to pin down, 4 addresses and none of them any good. buncha caca.


The whole story from Princess Pantsonfire was caca. She has her nerve i tell ya. She can thank her lucky stars that I'm not LE. hammer

[rosejustrose]

How old would you like her to be?:biggrin:

Invisible people don't age, it's the secret to their success, IMO.

[Rayosunshine]

There is a lot weird about Zenaida. It will be interesting to see if she allows the reporters to show her face tonight instead of shadow blocking it like her last interview.

I think she must not have wanted the public to know her as "Bebe", her myspace page name which shows that she has Jasmine and Michelle....the same two kids listed on her Sawgrass guest card. She also didn't want the public to know that she is connected to Waters and Rose. Especially after Waters so quickly visited Casey in jail.

Maybe this Zeniada, who denies any involvement is as good a liar as Casey.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

I didn't know Waters visited Casey in jail. Wonder if that video was released? Or was it after LE started holding back on releases?

[Amy]

upthread it was posted that j p chatt was jesse grund's roommate at the time of Caylee's conception....have no idea if it is true or not:shrug:

It's hard to know what is true, that is for sure. Cuz another poster posted that the time Casey was in the group with Jesse and this fellow would have been 2007.

[dtviewer]

And her stepfather, Victor, bought her a car.

And her roomate worked at TGiF's.

[msgatorslayer]

Okay, okay....I know most on the board think that she doesn't exist.

I'm just a super obsessed web sleuth and can't let it go. I'll go in my corner now and talk to myself about her.
:chicken:

Ah, don't go talk to yourself in the corner. I was only kidding.:seeya:

[steffaroob4]

She claimed to have heard about a "Zanny," not a "Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez." However, she never met her, saw a picture of her, talked on the phone to her, know her address, knew her phone number, or (as she admitted to reporters) heard Caylee say her name or talk about her.

True
IF ZG was real, LE would have had found her from the phone and internet records. How else was casey talking to her for 2 years? She had to have her in some type of phone number. Are we supposed to believe they contacted each other via papercup and rope messaging service?

casey and Cindy said ZG watched Caylee for over a year, it is up to them to PROVE that fact, all they need is a phone number, how hard can that be?

[rosejustrose]

dang, I'm getting slow. I was just going to say that.


I don't think Casey is ever going to talk. The info will come from Cindy. The one who cannot control her mouth.

ITA. Casey has remarkable restraint for someone so young. But Jose did say he's training her to be tough and to be prepared for the worse. She's not going to break, I believe were the words he used. I remember thinking, if she's telling the truth, why would she have to be trained not to break. Hmmmmmm, JMO.

[Albini]

i can't believe a pic of a minor was posted. disgusting. i saw this carp posted on the orlando sentinel site and was equally appalled then, i can't believe some of our posters have gone so vigilante that they're willing to post a pic of a young girl.
i think you all that are going w/ this jp thing are wrong and need to do some research.


Am I the only one who has NO idea what this is about?????? :shrug:

[Boxer]

Maybe this Zeniada, who denies any involvement is as good a liar as Casey.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

I didn't know Waters visited Casey in jail. Wonder if that video was released? Or was it after LE started holding back on releases?


well, then maybe all the Anthonys should have been screaming for a polygraph. If she is lying, she is a better liar than Casey and Cindy. It doesn't take LE to catch them, just message board posters.

[forensicnut]

She claimed to have heard about a "Zanny," not a "Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez." However, she never met her, saw a picture of her, talked on the phone to her, know her address, knew her phone number, or (as she admitted to reporters) heard Caylee say her name or talk about her.


Well.....my daughter brings her 2-year-old (almost 3) son to her friend Teressa's house and has her babysit sometimes. Not everyday, mind you....

I just met Teressa two weeks ago and my daughter and Grandson have known her for 2 years. I've certainly heard her name enough though!

I still don't know Teressa's last name or where she lives, but she's a good friend of my daughter's. I doubt she has a picture of Teressa (but, you can be sure I'll ask her!) And, I've never heard my Grandson mention her name before. Of course....I haven't asked, either.

Just wanted to throw that out there. It is possible :shrug:

[jammies]

Am I the only one who has NO idea what this is about?????? :shrug:


I hear ya! :shrug:

[rosejustrose]

Zanny? hammer

:lol:And you were being so good. Don't worry, no harm, no foul.

[crymeariver2006]

I've been gone for few hours at the most- and now there's a whole new cast of characters? Laura, Waters, Chatt, William. How's a poster to keep up? This is still the Caylee Anthony thread, right?


Yes, it's just once again old rumors that keep popping up and taking a life of their own are having to be shot down.

Like a game of "Whack A Mole".

[barskin&co.]

TY and TY too dtviewer.

Sure wish I had access to New York Birth records. Even though I have no clue if she's ever been married.


And, if you had those birth or marriage records it would prove what? You can be sure there are other Zenaida Gonzalez' out there. However, you won't find one who babysat for Caylee on a regular basis for the year and a 1/2 before June 16. Casey could not supply one legitimate address, one name of any other person who ever knew her, one phone number of hers, nor the record of any calls to or from her. If she existed, all of these things would have been easy to produce.

[Boxer]

Am I the only one who has NO idea what this is about?????? :shrug:


people were posting myspace for one of the guys. his little sister was featured in a pic. like a school pic, nothing bad, but it is a little girl not involved. I don't think they meant any harm.

[forensicnut]

Ah, don't go talk to yourself in the corner. I was only kidding.:seeya:

:seeya:I'm still here, LOL. Can't help it.

I realize I'm the minority on this board and I usually am on most of these crime boards. One thing for sure, you'd want me on your jury if you ever killed anyone. I'd pick the case apart before I settled on a verdict, LOL!

Flip-flop-flip-flop. <--------that's me.

[jammies]

Yes, it's just once again old rumors that keep popping up and taking a life of their own are having to be shot down.

Like a game of "Whack A Mole".


:lol: As fast as you get a few, more keep poppin' up! (funny how they all look alike too!)

[Albini]

people were posting myspace for one of the guys. his little sister was featured in a pic. like a school pic, nothing bad, but it is a little girl not involved. I don't think they meant any harm.


Okay I'm still an idiot..What guys? Who;s myspace?

[Boxer]

And, if you had those birth or marriage records it would prove what? You can be sure there are other Zenaida Gonzalez' out there. However, you won't find one who babysat for Caylee on a regular basis for the year and a 1/2 before June 16. Casey could not supply one legitimate address, one name of any other person who ever knew her, one phone number of hers, nor the record of any calls to or from her. If she existed, all of these things would have been easy to produce.


or a pay record, or a thing that Zanny had bought for the child at the beach, or even a sister at TGIF.

[rosejustrose]

She claimed to have heard about a "Zanny," not a "Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez." However, she never met her, saw a picture of her, talked on the phone to her, knew her address, knew her phone number, or (as she admitted to reporters) heard Caylee say her name or talk about her.

She should have asked Caylee more about her, like what she looked like. Caylee most likely would have told her she was a little pill crushed up with juice in her sippy cup, JMO.:cuss:

[Boxer]

Okay I'm still an idiot..What guys? Who;s myspace?


J P Chatt I think.

[jakee]

She claimed to have heard about a "Zanny," not a "Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez." However, she never met her, saw a picture of her, talked on the phone to her, knew her address, knew her phone number, or (as she admitted to reporters) heard Caylee say her name or talk about her.

I always thought it strange there was not one picture of Caylee with her nanny. I just think if this person was an important part of my child's life, I would have snapped a few photos of them together. But that's just me. I know it is hard to have a photo with invisible people though.

[crymeariver2006]

:lol: As fast as you get a few, more keep poppin' up! (funny how they all look alike too!)

And I'm runnin' out of quarters!

:D

[day2day]

:lol:And you were being so good. Don't worry, no harm, no foul.

..Rose..
I promise I will behave. :D

[Rayosunshine]

And why would she put herself back out in the spotlight after she has been cleared?

Because she has yet to make her share of the $$$$.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Boxer]

She should have asked Caylee more about her, like what she looked like. Caylee most likely would have told her she was a little pill crushed up with juice in her sippy cup, JMO.:cuss:


folding arms and sitting by rosejustrose :cuss:

[barskin&co.]

or a pay record, or a thing that Zanny had bought for the child at the beach, or even a sister at TGIF.

Let's be accurate, Boxer. It was not her sister, but her roommate, Raquel Farrel, that worked at TGIF. Except that she didn't.

[rosejustrose]

I was yelling, but at both of them. I liked and miss roller derby.

Yeah, but the gal in the car was at a disadvantage, she didn't have a hammer and roll of crime scene tape. She'd have been history if Cindy pulled a roller derby move on her, IMO. J/K, of course.

[deep*fear]

Don't you think Casey had a lot of time on her computer to research a common name? Initially she was going to use the name SUSAN SMITH as the babysitter, but she thought that was in BAD TASTE.

Besides, the first rule when you blame a kidnapping or murder on a fake persona you GOTTA point to a minority.

[Boxer]

I always thought it strange there was not one picture of Caylee with her nanny. I just think if this person was an important part of my child's life, I would have snapped a few photos of them together. But that's just me. I know it is hard to have a photo with invisible people though.


there's not even a photo with room for the invisible nanny. you know, that hole for no reason in the middle of the smiling group....:D

[steffaroob4]

I always thought it strange there was not one picture of Caylee with her nanny. I just think if this person was an important part of my child's life, I would have snapped a few photos of them together. But that's just me. I know it is hard to have a photo with invisible people though.


I always thought it strange that a person that didn't work had a nanny, especialy when CA said she always watched Caylee, when casey went out to party.

[crymeariver2006]

If anybody's convinced that there is a real Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez who lived at the Sawgrass Apartments or behind a tree at Blanchard Park, please forward your concerns to law enforcement.

They're begging for legitimate tips and it's not fair to confine your suspicions to a message board.

[msgatorslayer]

Casey may have used bits of truth from other peoples lives to characterize "Zanny". Who does she know with a sister named Sam? Who grew up in N.Y, etc. The G-H names are pretty common surnames in Florida. Zanaida - maybe someone she met at a bar. A quirky name that stuck out.

[Albini]

Besides, the first rule when you blame a kidnapping or murder on a fake persona you GOTTA point to a minority.


I was thinking this also. I wonder if Casey seriously thought that they would take her more seriously if she used a more ethinic name as opposed to Sarah Jones.

The others seemed to (Diane Downs, Susan Smith)

[Boxer]

Let's be accurate, Boxer. It was not her sister, but her roommate, Raquel Farrel, that worked at TGIF. Except that she didn't.


I stand corrected. it was the roommate Raquel Farrel that worked but didn't at the TGIF that Casey lied her liar liar pants on fire lie about.

Thanks Barskin, for keeping me real. (lol)

[crymeariver2006]

dg got booted? oh, what a shame.... :cool:

So, the reporter on Headline News (with Mike Galanos) at 5-6 PM ET said that LE says Cindy and George are not suspects and are cooperating with LE. Are they cooperating with LE? I didn't know they even talked to LE.

That's the answer they always give when someone calls in a question about whether the grandparents should be charged with anything.

[dtviewer]

And, if you had those birth or marriage records it would prove what? You can be sure there are other Zenaida Gonzalez' out there. However, you won't find one who babysat for Caylee on a regular basis for the year and a 1/2 before June 16. Casey could not supply one legitimate address, one name of any other person who ever knew her, one phone number of hers, nor the record of any calls to or from her. If she existed, all of these things would have been easy to produce.

Thanks Barskin. I was just going to post pretty much the same thing.

NO MATTER what name Casey had made up, there would be somebody out there with that name.

What posters are convienently forgetting is that Casey brought LE to an empty apartment, then to a seniors facility, then couldnt find ZFG's moms house, didnt have any phone # for her, gave a roomates name and place of employment that turned out to be false, lost her phone that had Zannys # saved in it, claimed Jeff knew her, claimed Juliet knew of her, claimed she called Zanny on her way to pick Caylee up,and last but not least, claimed she dropped Caylee with ZFG and went to WORK.

I dont see why anybody after all that would still be wondering if ZFG is a real person? :shrug:

[rosejustrose]

True
IF ZG was real, LE would have had found her from the phone and internet records. How else was casey talking to her for 2 years? She had to have her in some type of phone number. Are we supposed to believe they contacted each other via papercup and rope messaging service?

casey and Cindy said ZG watched Caylee for over a year, it is up to them to PROVE that fact, all they need is a phone number, how hard can that be?

Steff, get with the program no one uses paper cups and rope anymore, they use tin cans and string:rolleyes: Besides, Casey said they did online messaging not email, IIRC. But, they could have used big spotlights pointed at the blackened sky with cutout superhero emblems for all we know. After all, we're really not sure what the invisibles are capable of yet. JMO.

[forensicnut]

And, if you had those birth or marriage records it would prove what? You can be sure there are other Zenaida Gonzalez' out there. However, you won't find one who babysat for Caylee on a regular basis for the year and a 1/2 before June 16. Casey could not supply one legitimate address, one name of any other person who ever knew her, one phone number of hers, nor the record of any calls to or from her. If she existed, all of these things would have been easy to produce.


Valid point.

I'm still debating (with myself) about the whole drug scenario theory.

IF and I'm really stressing the "IF" there really is a Zanny and she took Caylee because Casey owed her money, or Zanny threatened her, or whatever.....she would have to tell all the lies about her.

Yes, I'm actually referring to the "Script"

Okay....with that said, I think Casey is a terrible liar, I think she harmed her child and I don't think she'll ever tell where she is. As much hope as I have that Caylee is alive, it's just a slight ray of hope.



I am playing computer chair detective, Juror and Devil's advocate with this case..... looking for facts to verify the lies.

Whew, did that make sense?

[Boxer]

Casey may have used bits of truth from other peoples lives to characterize "Zanny". Who does she know with a sister named Sam? Who grew up in N.Y, etc. The G-H names are pretty common surnames in Florida. Zanaida - maybe someone she met at a bar. A quirky name that stuck out.


or the Zenaida in her senior yearbook

[rosejustrose]

Don't you think Casey had a lot of time on her computer to research a common name? Initially she was going to use the name SUSAN SMITH as the babysitter, but she thought that was in BAD TASTE.

Plus she also found out that it would be easily proved SS wasn't available June 9th:rolleyes:

[steffaroob4]

Casey may have used bits of truth from other peoples lives to characterize "Zanny". Who does she know with a sister named Sam? Who grew up in N.Y, etc. The G-H names are pretty common surnames in Florida. Zanaida - maybe someone she met at a bar. A quirky name that stuck out.


BUT, was that part of the script. OR was the script a part of a screenplay that told casey to say there was a script.

Here is a clue, Caylee is missing and nobody in that family knows if she is ok, they should all be in the police headquaters spilling every little fact they know. Who would hide behind an attorney when their child's life is at stake?

[Pebbles]

I always thought it strange there was not one picture of Caylee with her nanny. I just think if this person was an important part of my child's life, I would have snapped a few photos of them together. But that's just me. I know it is hard to have a photo with invisible people though.


My oldest son just made me aware of the fact that his daughter (my granddaughter) invited her baby's "nanny" to a holiday party in December, my son and daughter-in-law had the opportunity to meet her. Also this great grandchild is just beginning to talk, but does say the babysitter's name, of course you would have to know the babysitter's name to understand that - it's Kathy, I have no idea how to write that in baby talk though!

I am the great grandmother, first great grandchild, and I now know the babysitter's name. My son and daughter-in-law had not met Kathy before the holidays, but my granddaughter made sure that she made her parents aware of who was watching their grandchild, she supplied them with the name, address and telephone number.

[shelbar53]

I always thought soap opera plots were so far fetched, if they used this case as a story line i would have turned off the TV and said to unbelievable cant watch.

[crymeariver2006]

Steff, get with the program no one uses paper cups and rope anymore, they use tin cans and string:rolleyes: Besides, Casey said they did online messaging not email, IIRC. But, they could have used big spotlights pointed at the blackened sky with cutout superhero emblems for all we know. After all, we're really not sure what the invisibles are capable of yet. JMO.

Holy Invisible Nanny, Batman!

:eek:

[Boxer]

Steff, get with the program no one uses paper cups and rope anymore, they use tin cans and string:rolleyes: Besides, Casey said they did online messaging not email, IIRC. But, they could have used big spotlights pointed at the blackened sky with cutout superhero emblems for all we know. After all, we're really not sure what the invisibles are capable of yet. JMO.


SafeSex Girl, the heroist of all heros....

[day2day]

Guess Cindy and George didn't think it was 'unusual'. Either she lied good then or they were soooo niave (or both) or they are ALL lying now.
I pick door #3.

Let me ask you two things..
1. How does a trust just "close"
2. How does George plan to pay for all of these promissory notes?

[dtviewer]

Because she has yet to make her share of the $$$$.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Or to set the record straight since people still believe she may have been involved?

[summer4meplz]

Am I the only one who has NO idea what this is about?????? :shrug:


I THINK they are talking about the pic of jp chatt's sister or daughter? please correct me if i'm wrong...:confused:

[crymeariver2006]

Valid point.

I'm still debating (with myself) about the whole drug scenario theory.

IF and I'm really stressing the "IF" there really is a Zanny and she took Caylee because Casey owed her money, or Zanny threatened her, or whatever.....she would have to tell all the lies about her.

Yes, I'm actually referring to the "Script"

Okay....with that said, I think Casey is a terrible liar, I think she harmed her child and I don't think she'll ever tell where she is. As much hope as I have that Caylee is alive, it's just a slight ray of hope.



I am playing computer chair detective, Juror and Devil's advocate with this case..... looking for facts to verify the lies.

Whew, did that make sense?

No, no, no *holds head to keep it from exploding*

Not the drug dealer day care again!

:D

[steffaroob4]

Steff, get with the program no one uses paper cups and rope anymore, they use tin cans and string:rolleyes: Besides, Casey said they did online messaging not email, IIRC. But, they could have used big spotlights pointed at the blackened sky with cutout superhero emblems for all we know. After all, we're really not sure what the invisibles are capable of yet. JMO.

Well, casey said her emails bounced.
Hey, don't get all high-tech on me with those fancy new tin can and string contraptions.

[Pebbles]

On WFTV channel 9 the six o'clock newscast stated that there were now two more people added to those working with Casey. Two men were shown in the garage when Casey arrived home. One of them was driving the big truck.

The news reporter said they called JB and the Public Relations spokesperson and neither of them would say who these men were. Any one out there have any ideas.

Where is this money coming from to pay all these people that have to "protect" Casey. From the bond hearing we learned that the Anthonys had financial problems. It seems as though that is no longer the case.

Is there still a $225,000 reward for the return of Caylee?

[Margo555]

It wouldn't be so bad if this was the usual child killing where they recover or find the body. Family certainly can't help police w/ investigating leads, but they sure can provide them. Then along comes Casey and her family and the whole balance of the universe is off kilter- A whole family that doesn't give a dang and NEVER, not once, not ever, searched for her. Just so bizarre.

Because they already knew what happened to her?? Just sayin'. :shrug: MOO

[crymeariver2006]

Let me ask you two things..
1. How does a trust just "close"
2. How does George plan to pay for all of these promissory notes?

I know you didn't ask me......

1. The trust could have been closed by the attorney that early on was helping to administrate it. He could have determined that the funds were not being used in a way that he could live with (and keep his law license). That's a possibility.

2. IMO, the promissory notes were paid with the 20/20 advance for the "exclusive rights of the photos and videos".

[day2day]

Padilla Speaks Out On Meeting With LE
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7441693&version=1&locale=EN-US

[rosejustrose]

Casey may have used bits of truth from other peoples lives to characterize "Zanny". Who does she know with a sister named Sam? Who grew up in N.Y, etc. The G-H names are pretty common surnames in Florida. Zanaida - maybe someone she met at a bar. A quirky name that stuck out.

You may be on to something. Didn't TonE go to NY before Casey was jailed? Didn't Amy go to PR before Casey was jailed? Wasn't Zanny supposed to be half PR, half black? Who were those guys in the photos at Fusion with Casey? My Sister Sam was a sitcom where in real life one character was gunned down, IIRC. Casey had an abnormal fascination with movies like American Psycho. Juliete Lewis (regardless how you spell it, Casey's no genius), etc. She probably spent a lot of time in a fantasy world where she was the star then Cindy dropped the axe, or, more likely, the hammer, and Casey had to make that fantasy a reality in order to survive. I'm sure a pyschiatrist would have a field day with all the evidence LE has about Casey. But that's just me speculation and MOO.

[barskin&co.]

I stand corrected. it was the roommate Raquel Farrel that worked but didn't at the TGIF that Casey lied her liar liar pants on fire lie about.

Thanks Barskin, for keeping me real. (lol)


My honor, Boxer! :biggrin:

[crymeariver2006]

On WFTV channel 9 the six o'clock newscast stated that there were now two more people added to those working with Casey. Two men were shown in the garage when Casey arrived home. One of them was driving the big truck.

The news reporter said they called JB and the Public Relations spokesperson and neither of them would say who these men were. Any one out there have any ideas.

Where is this money coming from to pay all these people that have to "protect" Casey. From the bond hearing we learned that the Anthonys had financial problems. It seems as though that is no longer the case.

Is there still a $225,000 reward for the return of Caylee?

Those are the same guys that Baez hired to "protect the Anthonys" from the protesters and are also the same ones that escorted her out of jail the last time.

Where's that reporter been?

:shrug:

[shelbar53]

On WFTV channel 9 the six o'clock newscast stated that there were now two more people added to those working with Casey. Two men were shown in the garage when Casey arrived home. One of them was driving the big truck.

The news reporter said they called JB and the Public Relations spokesperson and neither of them would say who these men were. Any one out there have any ideas.



Where is this money coming from to pay all these people that have to "protect" Casey. From the bond hearing we learned that the Anthonys had financial problems. It seems as though that is no longer the case.

Is there still a $225,000 reward for the return of Caylee?


Those 2 men are the bodyguards

[rosejustrose]

I stand corrected. it was the roommate Raquel Farrel that worked but didn't at the TGIF that Casey lied her liar liar pants on fire lie about.

Thanks Barskin, for keeping me real. (lol)


Did you mean that literally or figuratively?:D

[Joan Weiss]

09.15 Check arrest (http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547)


Battery Report - Redacted
http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=MediaRelations%2f09.16.08_batt eryGA.pdf&tabid=547&mid=1935Uh oh...George and Cindy are in trouble...

imo Thanks for the link, Steff.

[forensicnut]

No, no, no *holds head to keep it from exploding*

Not the drug dealer day care again!

:D Yep! Only my "theory" is better. :biggrin:

[Boxer]

On WFTV channel 9 the six o'clock newscast stated that there were now two more people added to those working with Casey. Two men were shown in the garage when Casey arrived home. One of them was driving the big truck.

The news reporter said they called JB and the Public Relations spokesperson and neither of them would say who these men were. Any one out there have any ideas.

Where is this money coming from to pay all these people that have to "protect" Casey. From the bond hearing we learned that the Anthonys had financial problems. It seems as though that is no longer the case.

Is there still a $225,000 reward for the return of Caylee?

I don't think the reward is accessable to the Anthonys, thank goodness. I think they are floating loans based on contracts for future payments. From who, is the unknown. They got money for the licensing of photos. I'm sure there are people who are sending money from the goodness of their hearts (thanks trash lady) and maybe help from some family. Or maybe George is getting an employee discout to Gold's Gym and these guys just like showing their muscles...:shrug:

[day2day]

I know you didn't ask me......

1. The trust could have been closed by the attorney that early on was helping to administrate it. He could have determined that the funds were not being used in a way that he could live with (and keep his law license). That's a possibility.

2. IMO, the promissory notes were paid with the 20/20 advance for the "exclusive rights of the photos and videos".

Thank you so much crymeariver. I was just wondering "if" part of the promissory note could have been paid with the trust fund monies (i am sure we will never know that!)

I will be keeping my ears and eyes on this trust fund. Something isn't right...imo

:seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

I know and understand that statement. But at this point in time, today, 9-16-08, how can LE say they are cooperating when they haven't even talked to them in weeks?

I just get crazy about the little details... :D

Yeah, I know. I think it's a matter of what LE can say, and what they'd like to say are two vastly different things.

Naturally they're not going with the latter.

:D

[Joan Weiss]

Those are the same guys that Baez hired to "protect the Anthonys" from the protesters and are also the same ones that escorted her out of jail the last time.

Where's that reporter been?

:shrug:It appears that the protesters need the bodyguards. imo

[rosejustrose]

Isn't child care tax deductable????Again, I ask to see the Anthony's income tax returns. It will prove they deducted Casey and Caylee as dependents.

I hope not. Casey is over 18 and not a student. I don't think they can claim her unless she's disabled, and pathological lying doesn't count. Hello, Mr. IRS auditor, you might want to take notice here!!!!! JMO.

[CinTN]

Thanks Barskin. I was just going to post pretty much the same thing.

NO MATTER what name Casey had made up, there would be somebody out there with that name.

What posters are convienently forgetting is that Casey brought LE to an empty apartment, then to a seniors facility, then couldnt find ZFG's moms house, didnt have any phone # for her, gave a roomates name and place of employment that turned out to be false, lost her phone that had Zannys # saved in it, claimed Jeff knew her, claimed Juliet knew of her, claimed she called Zanny on her way to pick Caylee up,and last but not least, claimed she dropped Caylee with ZFG and went to WORK.

I dont see why anybody after all that would still be wondering if ZFG is a real person? :shrug:


Now wait a minute ..

I heard she was seen in Kalamazoo , at a drive in at McDonalds with Elvis ....
:lol:

[OneUp]

Gotcha and agree. If Caylee's dad had been wealthy or came from money there is no way Casey would have let him off the hook. Sadly, IMO, I don't think Casey has any idea who the father was. JMO.

RIP little angel:rose:Rose, it did cross my mind that maybe Casey did get a little "hush" money from the babydaddy ( whomever he is)...just a bit to keep her quiet. OR that he might threaten her with dragging her over the coals and taking Caylee if she pointed the finger his way...whoops, there would go her ticket to parental support right out the window!
She/Lee could be being truthful about agreeing to keep the real dads name quiet for many reasons...but I bet any reason is really just because it benfits Casey. If the dad were a rich kid, he wouldn't be the first whose trust fund came with strings attached. I've heard of parents who would only divide their $ with their children if they finished college and "kept their noses clean". The prospect of coming into BIG $$$ in a few years when "whomever" came of age and got the trust fund would be something very tempting to a scammer like Casey.
Just something to consider....

Maybe it isn't that SHE is ashamed of HIM...but that HE is ashamed of HER.
It does "work" in the mind, now whether or not it is true is another thing. If it's relevant then time will tell IMO.
JMO.

[summer4meplz]

Let me ask you two things..
1. How does a trust just "close"
2. How does George plan to pay for all of these promissory notes?


I don't think bankruptcy and the anthonys are strangers...emphasis on think...

[rosejustrose]

BUT, was that part of the script. OR was the script a part of a screenplay that told casey to say there was a script.

Here is a clue, Caylee is missing and nobody in that family knows if she is ok, they should all be in the police headquaters spilling every little fact they know. Who would hide behind an attorney when their child's life is at stake?

Casey Anthony.

[barskin&co.]

I THINK they are talking about the pic of jp chatt's sister or daughter? please correct me if i'm wrong...:confused:

I think there is a lot of "somebody on MySpace knew somebody else on MySpace who..." going on.

[StickyBeak]

Isn't child care tax deductable????Again, I ask to see the Anthony's income tax returns. It will prove they deducted Casey and Caylee as dependents.


Our Grandson lived with us, his GP's, we could not claim him or my daughter. I think you can clain your daughter provided they are attending college. When my daughter moved out in NJ she claimed a child income credit from the IRS since she basically supported her son, while father paid child support. I don't think the anthony's could claim anything. I wonder if Caylee had any health insurance, perhaps Casey received food stamps from the wick program. :shrug:

[Pebbles]

Those are the same guys that Baez hired to "protect the Anthonys" from the protesters and are also the same ones that escorted her out of jail the last time.

Where's that reporter been?

:shrug:



No these were two different men, not the bodyguards. They were in the garage after the truck pulled into the garage. One was driving the truck. One had on suit, the other had on jeans.

More fun for Casey I guess.

[rosejustrose]

SafeSex Girl, the heroist of all heros....
:lol: She would be the one with her legs crossed, right?

[crimeq]

Hi all, posting from Houston, first time to have online access since Ike hit--nice to be back in touch!

I'm going to check the Links thread to see if there are any updates, but I can already tell that not much has happened to Casey in the few days I've been without Internet access. :(

I'll catch up on the threads and see what's happening ....

[Albini]

I was wondering if anyone has a link to that story Casey told about Zanny and her sister Sam giving her a script. I cant find any links about it.

TIA.

[CinTN]

Rose, it did cross my mind that maybe Casey did get a little "hush" money from the babydaddy ( whomever he is)...just a bit to keep her quiet. OR that he might threaten her with dragging her over the coals and taking Caylee if she pointed the finger his way...whoops, there would go her ticket to parental support right out the window!
She/Lee could be being truthful about agreeing to keep the real dads name quiet for many reasons...but I bet any reason is really just because it benfits Casey. If the dad were a rich kid, he wouldn't be the first whose trust fund came with strings attached. I've heard of parents who would only divide their $ with their children if they finished college and "kept their noses clean". The prospect of coming into BIG $$$ in a few years when "whomever" came of age and got the trust fund would be something very tempting to a scammer like Casey.
Just something to consider....

Maybe it isn't that SHE is ashamed of HIM...but that HE is ashamed of HER.
It does "work" in the mind, now whether or not it is true is another thing. If it's relevant then time will tell IMO.
JMO.


Or THEY are being HUSH HUSH and are ASHAMED cause Lee is the daddy..

I am still leaning to that theory because of all the BS so far about the babydaddy

!!!! REMEMBER FOLKS JMO !!!! :chicken:

[Albini]

:lol: She would be the one with her legs crossed, right?

That leaves Casey out.:punch:

[crymeariver2006]

Every time I hear that RIDICULOUS Zanny-sister Sam-Blanchard Park nonsense, complete with 30 day script, I just want to ... hammer.

Princess Pantsonfire might be cool, calm and collected as lying, thieving, baby misplacers go ... but the girl just ain't all that bright.

Samantha? Is that a Hispanic name? A 30-day script? Arrrghhhh hammer


Okay, so she gets a script of what to tell the police for the next 30 days, but doesn't tell the police anything.....she was then supposed to ad lib after the 30 days, or could the script just be renewed?

[rosejustrose]

Let me ask you two things..
1. How does a trust just "close"
2. How does George plan to pay for all of these promissory notes?

I think a trust can be closed if the trustee is deceased. For instance, my niece had a trust, when she passed, the trust was closed and put in the name of the executor. I don't think George plans on paying the notes, he's hoping Casey doesn't skip. Stand to be corrected as this is JMO.

[bluwaters]

Judge OKs Anthony Home Protests
Casey freed from jail again...Bondsman Padilla may be shopping book deal
http://www.540wfla.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=227698&article=4251123

From this article:
Bounty-Hunter Book Deal?
Elsewhere in the Casey Anthony case, celebrity bounty-hunter Leonard Padilla may be negotiating a book deal. Padilla first arranged for Anthony's $500 thousand bond, but says he grew frustrated when the mother appeared to be indifferent to assisting in the search for her daughter.

Padilla has been a 'regular' on television network talk-shows since his contact with Casey Anthony, and said recently that many media outlets have requested a published account of his involvement. Padilla reportedly has been offered $30,000 for a book deal, but says he cannot recall if such an offer had been made.


Protest Incident Gets DCF Attention

A confrontation Monday afternoon, where the child of a protester was injured, got the attention of the Florida Department of Children and Families. The child's arm was injured when a car door slammed against it. The child's mother was driving the vehicle.

The DCF, after a swift investigation, determined that the child suffered no real injuries after the accident.

Investigators put all parents on notice, however, that they would be held responsible for whatever happened to their children in these protests.

[ellegna]

I always thought it strange there was not one picture of Caylee with her nanny. I just think if this person was an important part of my child's life, I would have snapped a few photos of them together. But that's just me. I know it is hard to have a photo with invisible people though.

I was just about to post the same.
Jesse, IIRC, said Casey was an avid photog and was constantly posting pictures on her MySpace or was it Facebook. Isn't it odd no one recalls or tagged a picture of Caylee with Zanny?
You're right Jakee. Imaginary people can't be photographed.

[Margo555]

Uh oh...George and Cindy are in trouble...

imo Thanks for the link, Steff.

And rightfully so, you cannot put your hands on someone else especially if they are not on your private property. MOO :cuss:

[crymeariver2006]

No these were two different men, not the bodyguards. They were in the garage after the truck pulled into the garage. One was driving the truck. One had on suit, the other had on jeans.

More fun for Casey I guess.

Sure, and Baez won't admit he knows who they are?

Riiiiiiiiiight!

;)

[day2day]

Every time I hear that RIDICULOUS Zanny-sister Sam-Blanchard Park nonsense, complete with 30 day script, I just want to ... hammer.

Princess Pantsonfire might be cool, calm and collected as lying, thieving, baby misplacers go ... but the girl just ain't all that bright.

Samantha? Is that a Hispanic name? A 30-day script? Arrrghhhh hammer


And he left out the CHILDREN! And that they held her down! The story just kept getting bigger and bigger.....BUT i have a feeling that ole Lenny has MANY tricks up his sleeve. He has been in the business of liars for 30 years..he has seen em all....

:D

I hope that this meeting brings Caylee home. (it is REALLY hard to say home....cause its hard to tell if her family even knows that she is gone)

jmo

[barskin&co.]

I was wondering if anyone has a link to that story Casey told about Zanny and her sister Sam giving her a script. I cant find any links about it.

TIA.

ROBERT DICK, PROVIDED SECURITY FOR CASEY ANTHONY: Well, basically, it just changed a little bit. The story is still kind of the same, but instead of the Sawgrass...

GRACE: The only thing that`s the same is the alleged Zenaida Gonzalez was there. Tell me.

DICK: That`s right. Yes, that she met her at Blanchard Park instead.

GRACE: So let me get this straight. It`s my understanding that you and mom, Casey, were in the car and that she told you she was at the park with Zenaida Gonzalez, her sister, Samantha, Samantha`s children and little Caylee, and that they took little Caylee at the end and said, We`re taking her and we`re giving you a script to read to police and anyone that questions her whereabouts. A script?

DICK: That`s what she related, yes.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/08/ng.01.html

[Joan Weiss]

Our Grandson lived with us, his GP's, we could not claim him or my daughter. I think you can clain your daughter provided they are attending college. When my daughter moved out in NJ she claimed a child income credit from the IRS since she basically supported her son, while father paid child support. I don't think the anthony's could claim anything. I wonder if Caylee had any health insurance, perhaps Casey received food stamps from the wick program. :shrug:Sticky, last time I looked, you could claim anyone that you were supporting more than 6 months per year.

Unless you are getting child support monies or federal assistance. imo

[rosejustrose]

On WFTV channel 9 the six o'clock newscast stated that there were now two more people added to those working with Casey. Two men were shown in the garage when Casey arrived home. One of them was driving the big truck.

The news reporter said they called JB and the Public Relations spokesperson and neither of them would say who these men were. Any one out there have any ideas.

Where is this money coming from to pay all these people that have to "protect" Casey. From the bond hearing we learned that the Anthonys had financial problems. It seems as though that is no longer the case.

Is there still a $225,000 reward for the return of Caylee?

Does anyone think that maybe Casey suffers from the same addiction as David Duchovney? JMO.

[StickyBeak]

I THINK they are talking about the pic of jp chatt's sister or daughter? please correct me if i'm wrong...:confused:

I confess, I did provide a link to a facebook that may have been a young female related to jP Chatt. I did not post the picture on the internet and I am not a vigilante. Any google search will provide the same information. Sorry to rehash, I happened upon it because a U tube video had brought up pics pertaining to Caylee anthony.
Had no intention of shakin someone cage.

[Boxer]

I'm still waiting for the Padilla book called "Why I Would Invite A Convicted Child Preditor On To My Property"

[rosejustrose]

Thanks Rose, that gave me a much needed laugh.


Glad to oblige. This case is so sad and so tragic on so many levels that a little levity is needed to keep from crying.

For little Caylee:rose:

Light a candle for this precious lost little one and pray she's brought home soon.

[Rayosunshine]

Ok, I know most hate me right now, lol, but if you look at this pic of Zenaida in the back, dosent it almost look like there is a little brown haired girl sitting there?

http://www.myspace.com/166182731

I know I am prob seeing things, but does anyone else see that?

I kind of see that too, though it is blurred.

This Zenaida is female, 37. Where is the one that is male, 31 - does anyone know?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Margo555]

Casey and Baez running to the waiting truck, holding hands, looked JUST LIKE bride and groom running while people throw rice, just change their costumes. Hand-holding- GAG.
Casey if you are reading this please stop knotting your T Shirt, that went out in the 80's, dear.


And this was almost immediately after his big windy press conference for the media where he stated the only reason they needed to spend lots of time together is work, work, work. :no: MOO

[Pebbles]

:beer:Does anyone think that maybe Casey suffers from the same addiction as David Duchovney? JMO.


Good one!

Maybe the two of them should get together. :beer:

[crymeariver2006]

Casey and Baez running to the waiting truck, holding hands, looked JUST LIKE bride and groom running while people throw rice, just change their costumes. Hand-holding- GAG.
Casey if you are reading this please stop knotting your T Shirt, that went out in the 80's, dear.


Oh my Lord....for some reason I just had a flashback of Jerry Lee Lewis marrying his 14 year old cousin.

:punch:

[Joan Weiss]

I was just about to post the same.
Jesse, IIRC, said Casey was an avid photog and was constantly posting pictures on her MySpace or was it Facebook. Isn't it odd no one recalls or tagged a picture of Caylee with Zanny?
You're right Jakee. Imaginary people can't be photographed.Yes, not even one picture of someone who was allegedly a big part of Caylee's life.

She does have a couple of pics of JP Chatt with Caylee, though.
imo

[day2day]

I think a trust can be closed if the trustee is deceased. For instance, my niece had a trust, when she passed, the trust was closed and put in the name of the executor. I don't think George plans on paying the notes, he's hoping Casey doesn't skip. Stand to be corrected as this is JMO.

Thanks rose!!--Hmmm...PrincessPantsOnFire skip?!? --thats a great idea.

The trust was Caylee's so unless they know something we don't?! :shrug: jmo

[Rayosunshine]

Haven't seen anything yet.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[tashi]

Don't know if this has been posted...halfway down the page


CASEY'S FORMER FRIENDS TAKE LIE DETECTOR TESTS

http://www.wftv.com/news/17483047/detail.html

[crymeariver2006]

Does anyone think that maybe Casey suffers from the same addiction as David Duchovney? JMO.

No, she's just your every day run of the mill ****.

Oh yeah, IMO.

[Joan Weiss]

I kind of see that too, though it is blurred.

This Zenaida is female, 37. Where is the one that is male, 31 - does anyone know?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMomIt looks like a young boy to me.

[Rayosunshine]

Yes, not even one picture of someone who was allegedly a big part of Caylee's life.

She does have a couple of pics of JP Chatt with Caylee, though.
imo
Joan,

Where can we find the pics of JP Chatt and Caylee?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[barskin&co.]

Don't know if this has been posted...halfway down the page


CASEY'S FORMER FRIENDS TAKE LIE DETECTOR TESTS

http://www.wftv.com/news/17483047/detail.html

Good going!! ETA: I suppose some people will make odious insinuations about this, too. Hey, they cooperated with the police, told the truth and took polygraph tests!

[bluwaters]

I confess, I did provide a link to a facebook that may have been a young female related to jP Chatt. I did not post the picture on the internet and I am not a vigilante. Any google search will provide the same information. Sorry to rehash, I happened upon it because a U tube video had brought up pics pertaining to Caylee anthony.
Had no intention of shakin someone cage.
You didn't publish the girl on the internet. She did that herself when she signed on to Facebook. It is public information.

jmho

[Rayosunshine]

Don't know if this has been posted...halfway down the page


CASEY'S FORMER FRIENDS TAKE LIE DETECTOR TESTS

http://www.wftv.com/news/17483047/detail.html

Would like that article more if LE said it and not "sources said" it.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[rosejustrose]

Every time I hear that RIDICULOUS Zanny-sister Sam-Blanchard Park nonsense, complete with 30 day script, I just want to ... hammer.

Princess Pantsonfire might be cool, calm and collected as lying, thieving, baby misplacers go ... but the girl just ain't all that bright.

Samantha? Is that a Hispanic name? A 30-day script? Arrrghhhh hammer


Don't forget gum smacking, tramp......She was a real classy looking girl yesterday as she proudly chomped her gum and turned herself in. No sense at all. IMO.

[Boxer]

I confess, I did provide a link to a facebook that may have been a young female related to jP Chatt. I did not post the picture on the internet and I am not a vigilante. Any google search will provide the same information. Sorry to rehash, I happened upon it because a U tube video had brought up pics pertaining to Caylee anthony.
Had no intention of shakin someone cage.

I don't think you did anything wrong. If anything, I think myspace and facebook encourage these behaviors and people do not think through posting their lives to their pages. IMO

[purplepoints]

Gotcha and agree. If Caylee's dad had been wealthy or came from money there is no way Casey would have let him off the hook. Sadly, IMO, I don't think Casey has any idea who the father was. JMO.

RIP little angel:rose:

I would say, from what we know now, that Casey isn't sure who the father is. When DNA testing proved that Jesse wasn't the father, she conveniently came up with the "dead father" story so she wouldn't have to explain to her mother that she is not sure who it is, or name another name and have it come back negative, too. "If" she denied having sex, "if" she denied being pregnant, you know she wouldn't want to have to name 15 different guys as possible fathers. JMO

[bluwaters]

Don't know if this has been posted...halfway down the page


CASEY'S FORMER FRIENDS TAKE LIE DETECTOR TESTS

http://www.wftv.com/news/17483047/detail.html
Oooh, thank you!
This is good. Now the Anthony's need to step up.


jmho

[crymeariver2006]

Don't know if this has been posted...halfway down the page


CASEY'S FORMER FRIENDS TAKE LIE DETECTOR TESTS

http://www.wftv.com/news/17483047/detail.html

Also from the link:

Todd Black, a spokesperson for Baez refused to answer questions and told Eyewitness News he plans to sue the TV station because questions were raised about his company's legitimacy.

:lol:

[Joan Weiss]

And rightfully so, you cannot put your hands on someone else especially if they are not on your private property. MOO :cuss:I'm wondering if this is what's behind Cindy's war on the message boards. She's full of misdirected anger. imo

[msgatorslayer]

You may be on to something. Didn't TonE go to NY before Casey was jailed? Didn't Amy go to PR before Casey was jailed? Wasn't Zanny supposed to be half PR, half black? Who were those guys in the photos at Fusion with Casey? My Sister Sam was a sitcom where in real life one character was gunned down, IIRC. Casey had an abnormal fascination with movies like American Psycho. Juliete Lewis (regardless how you spell it, Casey's no genius), etc. She probably spent a lot of time in a fantasy world where she was the star then Cindy dropped the axe, or, more likely, the hammer, and Casey had to make that fantasy a reality in order to survive. I'm sure a pyschiatrist would have a field day with all the evidence LE has about Casey. But that's just me speculation and MOO.

Yup, yup, and yup. And one of the guys went to J'ville. Where Casey told Cindy she had been on vacation. She pulls bits of other peoples lives into her own. I also remember hearing in the early days she was supposedly in Tampa for work. While reading her interview with LE, I noticed one of the guys [can't remember which one, I get the details confused} was asked if Casey had been with him to Ybor City/Tampa. But now I can't recall if she was or not.

Someone the other night mentioned how Casey says that when Caylee called her, she spoke of her shoes and book. :rolleyes: And how Caylee was looking at the book in the Father's Day video. I really think that is one of the last good memories Casey has of Caylee.

[Good4u]

What happened to HELP FIND CAYLEE TRUST FUND?
http://www.wftv.com/video/17479484/index.html
5 :20 in says that the Sun Trust Bank has been contacted -trust fund has been closed and the family seeks donations from web site.

If anyone knows what this means...please pm me...lol

Someone figured out something "interesting" about the fund.

Go here, but start on first page to read the whole detective story:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70829&page=23

[trich]

If anybody's convinced that there is a real Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez who lived at the Sawgrass Apartments or behind a tree at Blanchard Park, please forward your concerns to law enforcement.

They're begging for legitimate tips and it's not fair to confine your suspicions to a message board.


Now this is funny!!!

[rosejustrose]

Last night I said I dont believe they ever said that word before. "zanny" def. doesnt roll off their tongue as if it's a name they are used to saying to me. That's just how it looks to me. Esp when George says it. I wish we had a language specialist on this case. I did ask eyeforlies to do a few tapes but I also noted there were so many. I Hope she does analyze the tapes in this case. Speaking of Analyze, where is our Friend Ana? Ana PM me if you see this; miss you and hugs :rose:


IIRC, Casey never referred to Zenaida as Zanny. Cindy did and the investigators did, and according to Cindy so did Caylee. But, I don't recall Casey ever calling her Zanny. JMO.

[msgatorslayer]

Don't know if this has been posted...halfway down the page


CASEY'S FORMER FRIENDS TAKE LIE DETECTOR TESTS

http://www.wftv.com/news/17483047/detail.html

Thanks. So, all there stories have checked out. The Anthony's can't say that they are trying to frame Casey with lies. Good.

This may be "BOMBSHELL" information on NG tonight, lmao

[rosejustrose]

I kind of see that too, though it is blurred.

This Zenaida is female, 37. Where is the one that is male, 31 - does anyone know?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Blanchard Park:shrug:

[marinewife5]

Also from the link:

Todd Black, a spokesperson for Baez refused to answer questions and told Eyewitness News he plans to sue the TV station because questions were raised about his company's legitimacy.

:lol:

what freakin' public relations book tells you it's a good idea to threaten lawsuits against television stations???

boy...the iq points on casey's side are just rackin' right up.

and on the "body guards" to guard casey's body...hasn't that horse already left the barn?

jmo

[tashi]

Lotsa stuff going on behind the scenes. I see the 'leaks' are being portioned out and well-timed again this week. :D

I think it's interesting that this leak came after LP was on NG saying that the Anthony's refused to take lie detector tests...

LE continues to turn the heat up imo

[crymeariver2006]

Blanchard Park:shrug:

Yes! He wears a silver hat, blows smoke out of his ears, and walks in the trees!

No wait, that was Mr. McBeevy.

Sorry, thought you were on to something there.

:D

[deep*fear]

Don't know if this has been posted...halfway down the page


CASEY'S FORMER FRIENDS TAKE LIE DETECTOR TESTS

http://www.wftv.com/news/17483047/detail.html

so sad. Casey's friends will take a LDT, but Casey and her family won't :(

[barskin&co.]

IIRC, Casey never referred to Zenaida as Zanny. Cindy did and the investigators did, and according to Cindy so did Caylee. But, I don't recall Casey ever calling her Zanny. JMO.

No, Cindy was asked by reporters if Caylee ever mentioned her by name or otherwise, and she replied that she hadn't and started in on how wouldn't have come up.

[Fallen Angel]

AND THE GP'S refuse. Doesn"t that say it all?

speaks volumes to me

[crymeariver2006]

what freakin' public relations book tells you it's a good idea to threaten lawsuits against television stations???

boy...the iq points on casey's side are just rackin' right up.

and on the "body guards" to guard casey's body...hasn't that horse already left the barn?

jmo

It's the same book that tells you to always address your clients as "high profile defense attorney" - even when they're not and especially if nobody's ever heard of them before.

[tashi]

AND THE GP'S refuse. Doesn"t that say it all?

imo....yes

[shelbar53]

Last night I said I dont believe they ever said that word before. "zanny" def. doesnt roll off their tongue as if it's a name they are used to saying to me. That's just how it looks to me. Esp when George says it. I wish we had a language specialist on this case. I did ask eyeforlies to do a few tapes but I also noted there were so many. I Hope she does analyze the tapes in this case. Speaking of Analyze, where is our Friend Ana? Ana PM me if you see this; miss you and hugs :rose:

I noticed that on the bond hearings with cindy, she seemed uncomfortable saying zanny. there was something else that was weird but i have to relisten...something about when asked why she didnt talk to caylee she couldnt bring herself to say she was with the nanny or with zannie...she said...it wasnt a good time or something to that effect...the point is...cindy had a hard time saying the name. imo

[rosejustrose]

I would say, from what we know now, that Casey isn't sure who the father is. When DNA testing proved that Jesse wasn't the father, she conveniently came up with the "dead father" story so she wouldn't have to explain to her mother that she is not sure who it is, or name another name and have it come back negative, too. "If" she denied having sex, "if" she denied being pregnant, you know she wouldn't want to have to name 15 different guys as possible fathers. JMO


Maury would love her! YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER!!!!

[Joan Weiss]

Joan,

Where can we find the pics of JP Chatt and Caylee?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMomHere's one:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/caylee%20anthony/mrseden2004/Casey%20Anthony%20Case/Caylee14.jpg?o=59

[Boxer]

Yes! He wears a silver hat, blows smoke out of his ears, and walks in the trees!

No wait, that was Mr. McBeevy.

Sorry, thought you were on to something there.

:D


and he jingles

[purplepoints]

No, Cindy was asked by reporters if Caylee ever mentioned her by name or otherwise, and she replied that she hadn't and started in on how wouldn't have come up.

Yeah, IIRC, CA said Caylee talked about the nanny's dog, but not the nanny.

[Joan Weiss]

Joan,

Where can we find the pics of JP Chatt and Caylee?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMomHere's another one:

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/could-this-be-caylees-father/

[rosejustrose]

Yup, yup, and yup. And one of the guys went to J'ville. Where Casey told Cindy she had been on vacation. She pulls bits of other peoples lives into her own. I also remember hearing in the early days she was supposedly in Tampa for work. While reading her interview with LE, I noticed one of the guys [can't remember which one, I get the details confused} was asked if Casey had been with him to Ybor City/Tampa. But now I can't recall if she was or not.

Someone the other night mentioned how Casey says that when Caylee called her, she spoke of her shoes and book. :rolleyes: And how Caylee was looking at the book in the Father's Day video. I really think that is one of the last good memories Casey has of Caylee.

Did Casey go with Cindy and Caylee to visit the great-grandfather? I didn't think she did. I thought that was when Cindy's mom confronted her with Casey's theft. I didn't get the impression Casey was there, JMO and stand to be corrected.

[Boxer]

Did Casey go with Cindy and Caylee to visit the great-grandfather? I didn't think she did. I thought that was when Cindy's mom confronted her with Casey's theft. I didn't get the impression Casey was there, JMO and stand to be corrected.

I'm pretty sure Cindy said it was just her and Caylee

[OneUp]

Am I the only one who has NO idea what this is about?????? :shrug:
Albin, i think it refers to a link to JP Chatt's sister Madeline's picture/facebook. She bears a resemblance to Caylee as does JP IMO. I don't see the relevance in worrying about it at this time though, unless one thinks he took off with Caylee ( and I do not think that).
Unless I'm mistaken, the poster complained bacause the picture is of a minor. I don't think she IS still a minor ( childhood pic. IMO) as she has a facebook acct. Anyway, it is a publically available link so :shrug: IMO it's no biggie. WE didn't put the picture out there, she did.
JMO. Please someone correct me if I have any part of this incorrect.

[CinTN]

Does anyone think that maybe Casey suffers from the same addiction as David Duchovney? JMO.



Ok I have a question ( O/T sorry )

How come with men its classified as an "ADDICTION" but with women your called a W**RE ?? :confused:

Im just curious .. :shrug:

[StickyBeak]

My 23 year old daughter and 3 year old granddaughter live with me. We claim them both as dependents on our income tax, I pay their health insurance also. My daughter does not work.


Ty for your reply. We never checked into it actually, until we wanted to have legal guardianship, to be able to get health insurance under husbands plan. My daughter was able to move out and thankfully, we did not end up in any bad outcome. All is fine.

[rosejustrose]

How odd, so did casey. Sometimes crimped sometimes straight sometimes curly. I wonder if she owns anything to change her appearance. Wigs and whatnot? I did see a photo of her w.blonde hair. I saved about 50 photos before things were yanked online. I still think that finding out just what this tart did for a living; will help a lot in this case. Im going to use the word tart because Mother or Tot Mom just doesnt fit for me! :cuss:

As an "Event Coordinator" she probably had a lot of different get ups and wigs, you know, french maid, catholic school girl, lonely housewife, etc. Go figure, anything is possible with this nut. IMO.

[summer4meplz]

Also from the link:

Todd Black, a spokesperson for Baez refused to answer questions and told Eyewitness News he plans to sue the TV station because questions were raised about his company's legitimacy.

:lol:

My eyebrows went Way UP to see baez and casey HOLDING HANDS while they sauntered to the truck....they weren't being mobbed...there was absolutely no reason to hold hands and stroll...if i was his wife i would be livid!!

[frances1]

Also from the link:

Todd Black, a spokesperson for Baez refused to answer questions and told Eyewitness News he plans to sue the TV station because questions were raised about his company's legitimacy.

:lol:


Can someone refresh my memory on who Todd Black is, and what company does he have? I couldn't find it in the link. TIA

[Boxer]

My eyebrows went Way UP to see baez and casey HOLDING HANDS while they sauntered to the truck....they weren't being mobbed...there was absolutely no reason to hold hands and stroll...if i was his wife i would be livid!!


okay, since you brought it up, I was grossed out. Did you get the impression that they wanted a little more mobbing? I did.

[Joan Weiss]

Ok I have a question ( O/T sorry )

How come with men its classified as an "ADDICTION" but with women your called a W**RE ?? :confused:

Im just curious .. :shrug:Because girls get pregnant and it shows?

[frances1]

My eyebrows went Way UP to see baez and casey HOLDING HANDS while they sauntered to the truck....they weren't being mobbed...there was absolutely no reason to hold hands and stroll...if i was his wife i would be livid!!

You're right about the wife; I would be livid, also. That's really crossing the professional conduct line, IMO. Perception is everything.

[Lorakai]

Tonight At 11: Zenaida Gonzalez Talks To WESH

http://www.wesh.com/news/17485195/detail.html


ty Certiorari for the post :)

[msgatorslayer]

Did Casey go with Cindy and Caylee to visit the great-grandfather? I didn't think she did. I thought that was when Cindy's mom confronted her with Casey's theft. I didn't get the impression Casey was there, JMO and stand to be corrected.

Yes, I believe you're right. IIRC, Casey speaks to LE about her Mom taking Caylee to the nursing home.

I wonder if she had a chance to review the home video later that night.

Something is odd about her mentioning a book when Caylee 'called her'. IMO

[rosejustrose]

I think it's interesting that this leak came after LP was on NG saying that the Anthony's refused to take lie detector tests...

LE continues to turn the heat up imo

As they should. Turn it up to scorching, IMO. These people are not cooperating and there is a beautiful little girl our there, lost somewhere and needing to come home. There is no excuse for their behavior and there is no reason for them to believe that "someone" has an alive Caylee. I'd say they skipped denial and are firmly entrenched in anger right now. JMO.

[crymeariver2006]

Can someone refresh my memory on who Todd Black is, and what company does he have? I couldn't find it in the link. TIA

He is with the PR firm that Baez hired, right around the same time that the Anthonys hired NeJame.

I don't have a link, but I'm sure it's around here somewhere.

[nellbell]

My eyebrows went Way UP to see baez and casey HOLDING HANDS while they sauntered to the truck....they weren't being mobbed...there was absolutely no reason to hold hands and stroll...if i was his wife i would be livid!!
trol
I hope and pray she is on some form of birth control. MOO

[cassidy]

My eyebrows went Way UP to see baez and casey HOLDING HANDS while they sauntered to the truck....they weren't being mobbed...there was absolutely no reason to hold hands and stroll...if i was his wife i would be livid!!

I noticed that too. Very inappropriate and totally unnecessary. IMO.

[Joan Weiss]

what freakin' public relations book tells you it's a good idea to threaten lawsuits against television stations???

boy...the iq points on casey's side are just rackin' right up.

and on the "body guards" to guard casey's body...hasn't that horse already left the barn?

jmoToo funny! :biggrin:

[rosejustrose]

No, Cindy was asked by reporters if Caylee ever mentioned her by name or otherwise, and she replied that she hadn't and started in on how wouldn't have come up.

Thanks, I thought in one of her numerous interviews she talked about "Zanny". My mistake.:o

[crymeariver2006]

If anybody's interested, Cam 1 seems to be working now.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam.html

[frances1]

He is with the PR firm that Baez hired, right around the same time that the Anthonys hired NeJame.

I don't have a link, but I'm sure it's around here somewhere.

Thank you. Good luck with the lawsuit.

[rosejustrose]

Ok I have a question ( O/T sorry )

How come with men its classified as an "ADDICTION" but with women your called a W**RE ?? :confused:

Im just curious .. :shrug:

It's only the 21st century, give it time:D

[Joan Weiss]

My eyebrows went Way UP to see baez and casey HOLDING HANDS while they sauntered to the truck....they weren't being mobbed...there was absolutely no reason to hold hands and stroll...if i was his wife i would be livid!!It's only a matter of time before it gets to her ears. imo

"Aw..honey...I was just keeping her from running away..."

imo

[Boxer]

Thanks, I thought in one of her numerous interviews she talked about "Zanny". My mistake.:o

something about it wouldn't come up and Caylee talked about her puppy a lot.

[CinTN]

Did Casey go with Cindy and Caylee to visit the great-grandfather? I didn't think she did. I thought that was when Cindy's mom confronted her with Casey's theft. I didn't get the impression Casey was there, JMO and stand to be corrected.



Ok heres another and I am sure it has already been said

BUT

How come Casey says she last seen her daughter on June 9th and Cindy says June (Whatever fathers day is) ?

Cindy first stated in her report to LE that it was the 9th of June but ON THE STAND she first said the 9th and then changed it to the fathers day weekend. ( I honestly have no clue what day fathers day is .. lol )

and just because she had that video and pic uploaded to her puter on or around that date of fathers day does not mean it was then ,, I have a digital camera and have things on the memory card from a month ago if not more that I can upload and say I just took it and uploaded it,, that there my folks is a load of caca poo poo from Cindy..
Which just makes me not believe anything they say even more...

[OneUp]

I always thought soap opera plots were so far fetched, if they used this case as a story line i would have turned off the TV and said to unbelievable cant watch.
I know Shel!:rolleyes:I thought Aaron Spelling was bad! he would pass on this script...too much drama, too unbelievable.
Bash me know, but I can't stand that soap he produces! I had a client who was addicted to the durn thing!
JMO.
Many people seem to love his tv shows.

[nutterbutter]

My eyebrows went Way UP to see baez and casey HOLDING HANDS while they sauntered to the truck....they weren't being mobbed...there was absolutely no reason to hold hands and stroll...if i was his wife i would be livid!!
tHAT seems odd for a lawyer and his client to be strolling along holding hands.:eek:
moo

[rosejustrose]

okay, since you brought it up, I was grossed out. Did you get the impression that they wanted a little more mobbing? I did.


Attorney/client privilege?:shrug:

[Boxer]

Ok heres another and I am sure it has already been said

BUT

How come Casey says she last seen her daughter on June 9th and Cindy says June (Whatever fathers day is) ?

Cindy first stated in her report to LE that it was the 9th of June but ON THE STAND she first said the 9th and then changed it to the fathers day weekend. ( I honestly have no clue what day fathers day is .. lol )

and just because she had that video and pic uploaded to her puter on or around that date of fathers day does not mean it was then ,, I have a digital camera and have things on the memory card from a month ago if not more that I can upload and say I just took it and uploaded it,, that there my folks is a load of caca poo poo from Cindy..
Which just makes me not believe anything they say even more...


in the 911 call Cindy said she had not seen Caylee since the 7th of June. I think Cindy is full of beans

[crymeariver2006]

okay, since you brought it up, I was grossed out. Did you get the impression that they wanted a little more mobbing? I did.

Jose gets mad 'cause the media captures her second arrest in front of the house, calls the police actions "grandstanding" for the media.

Jose gets mad 'cause there's little media around to capture the third arrest, holds press conference and calls the police actions "intimidation".

Ya just can't please all the people all the time.

:shrug:

[Albini]

My eyebrows went Way UP to see baez and casey HOLDING HANDS while they sauntered to the truck....they weren't being mobbed...there was absolutely no reason to hold hands and stroll...if i was his wife i would be livid!!

Oh I missed that..thankfully. :flamemad:

WTF is this girl thinking? Her daughter is gone and she is playing ring around the flippin rosey (or rosary) with a man 2.5 x her age????

I think I'm going to vomit.

[frances1]

It's only a matter of time before it gets to her ears. imo

"Aw..honey...I was just keeping her from running away..."

imo

More victims of Casey Anthony....Baez and his marriage. She leaves a total path of destruction wherever she goes.

[nutterbutter]

Ok heres another and I am sure it has already been said

BUT

How come Casey says she last seen her daughter on June 9th and Cindy says June (Whatever fathers day is) ?

Cindy first stated in her report to LE that it was the 9th of June but ON THE STAND she first said the 9th and then changed it to the fathers day weekend. ( I honestly have no clue what day fathers day is .. lol )

and just because she had that video and pic uploaded to her puter on or around that date of fathers day does not mean it was then ,, I have a digital camera and have things on the memory card from a month ago if not more that I can upload and say I just took it and uploaded it,, that there my folks is a load of caca poo poo from Cindy..
Which just makes me not believe anything they say even more...
I thought le went to nursing home and verified the story that cindy was there with Caylee on fathers day.Anyone else remember?
moo

[Rayosunshine]

Here's one:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/caylee%20anthony/mrseden2004/Casey%20Anthony%20Case/Caylee14.jpg?o=59

Maybe my eyes are off, but he doesn't look like Chatt to me. Is there some other identifying info. linked to the pic? Thanks.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[rosejustrose]

something about it wouldn't come up and Caylee talked about her puppy a lot.


So, who had a puppy? I know the Anthonys had a dog or two, but who else that Caylee would have come in contact with? That might be something. Why talk about a puppy if there wasn't one? JMHO.

[AustinsMama]

I just saw the holding hands....WOW...I wouldn't doubt it if they were doing more than work, work, work from 10 - 4 p.m. EVERY DAY? If he were my husband I would be PISSED! They're not focused on Caylee anymore- they are focused on Casey and her constitutional rights. Caylee has been pushed in the back burner in their eyes. :flamemad: IMO before anyone gets upset at me for my opinion- please do not violate my constitutional rights of FREE SPEECH hahahhaha

[summer4meplz]

Oh I missed that..thankfully. :flamemad:

WTF is this girl thinking? Her daughter is gone and she is playing ring around the flippin rosey (or rosary) with a man 2.5 x her age????

I think I'm going to vomit.


and on the flip side of that...wth is baez thinking....he's the supposed mature married professional....where's impartial lol....aren't there guidelines for not being emotionally involved with a client?

[Boxer]

So, who had a puppy? I know the Anthonys had a dog or two, but who else that Caylee would have come in contact with? That might be something. Why talk about a puppy if there wasn't one? JMHO.

I think Cindy was referring to one of the family dogs. Caylee may have referred to one as her puppy. But Caylee never referred to Zanny as her anything at all....

[rosejustrose]

I know Shel!:rolleyes:I thought Aaron Spelling was bad! he would pass on this script...too much drama, too unbelievable.
Bash me know, but I can't stand that soap he produces! I had a client who was addicted to the durn thing!
JMO.
Many people seem to love his tv shows.


Who needs Soaps when you have true crime message boards, really:D

[CinTN]

in the 911 call Cindy said she had not seen Caylee since the 7th of June. I think Cindy is full of beans

OK TY ,, I knew she said a totally different date on the stand than in the report to LE/911 call

I myself prefer to call it something else besides beans... :tongue:

[barskin&co.]

Ok heres another and I am sure it has already been said

BUT

How come Casey says she last seen her daughter on June 9th and Cindy says June (Whatever fathers day is) ?

Cindy first stated in her report to LE that it was the 9th of June but ON THE STAND she first said the 9th and then changed it to the fathers day weekend. ( I honestly have no clue what day fathers day is .. lol )

and just because she had that video and pic uploaded to her puter on or around that date of fathers day does not mean it was then ,, I have a digital camera and have things on the memory card from a month ago if not more that I can upload and say I just took it and uploaded it,, that there my folks is a load of caca poo poo from Cindy..
Which just makes me not believe anything they say even more...
When this whole mess started (with the 911 call on July 15), Casey told LE that she left Caylee with ZFG and couldn't get her back on June 9. She stuck to the story. Now, either you can believe Cindy and George were in a tizzy and went along with this date by mistake without thinking about, or were part of a deliberate cover-up. Anyway, it was Det. Yuri Melich who turned up the information about Caylee's Father's Day visit to GGF and checked it out and validated it. Cindy and George henceforth changed the date to June 16. Casey, on the other hand, swore to the date of June 9 over and over again, including on a handwritten, signed statement, and since that time said nothing to LE. Don't you just hate it when you forget the date your daughter was kidnapped?

ETA: Whoops, Cindy said June 7 originally!

[Fallen Angel]

Maybe my eyes are off, but he doesn't look like Chatt to me. Is there some other identifying info. linked to the pic? Thanks.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

i guess everyone has their own opinion about this because they look just a like to me :shrug:

[dtviewer]

I thought le went to nursing home and verified the story that cindy was there with Caylee on fathers day.Anyone else remember?
moo

You are correct. It has been verified by LE. They went to the nursing home and verified on the sign in sheet and with witnesses.

[StickyBeak]

I understand, I have since read on one site that she is an adult now, so if that is so, I apologize too. it just really got me riled b/c I'd be fuming mad if someone posted pics of my children, ykwim? it's out of bounds and I don't think when people are so busy sleuthing and so emotionally invested, that they always think about what they are posting. once you post it, it's like a game of telephone, it just goes on and on.

KWYM, forever on google. It is sad, we all live in a fishbowl, tis the information highway, don't ya know. Post away

[msgatorslayer]

I thought le went to nursing home and verified the story that cindy was there with Caylee on fathers day.Anyone else remember?
moo

LE was going with the original 9th date. Until they talked with Amy and Ricardo, I believe. They verified that both Casey and Caylee were seen by them, on the 9th. IIRC, the girls spent the night at Ricardo's.

Thats when the Anthony's backpeddled and had to change the date.

And yes, LE verified Father's Day with the nursing home.

[rosejustrose]

I thought le went to nursing home and verified the story that cindy was there with Caylee on fathers day.Anyone else remember?
moo


Yup, that's what forced them to change the date they last saw Caylee to June 16th. George said he saw Casey and Caylee leave before he went to work, IIRC>

[Boxer]

OK TY ,, I knew she said a totally different date on the stand than in the report to LE/911 call

I myself prefer to call it something else besides beans... :tongue:


:D me too, but somehow it came out beans.

Cindy's dates: 911 7th

LE: 9th

LE examined the memory card and came back with the 15th and Cindy had no choice but to agree and then spin a reason.

IMO

[Good4u]

For those who think that Caylee was taken to Puerto Rico..it not that easy. Unless there was a ton of expensive and fake documentation, any other way would have left a legal record.

"For domestic U.S. travel, you will need a certified copy of the child's birth certificate. If you prefer a picture ID, it is not required but DMV (Department of Mot er Vehicles) offices will issue a photo ID with a photo for a small fee. Many countries have national ID cards. They are usually free but may take some time to obtain. Check expiration dates as they vary from document to document. Always double check with the airline as well. Find out what they want to see when you check in. This information is usually on the airline's website.

and

"If you are not flying with the other parent, it is a good idea to have a permission letter. It is rare they would ask for anything but especially for international travel, it's a good idea. If you have sole custody of your child, bring documentation of that fact. If you are flying with someone else's children, even if related to you, please make sure you have both power of attorney (in case of emergencies) and a permission letter from the parents.Find out if it needs to be notarized."

Not to mention there has to be an airline ticket for the child since she is not lapsized.

Caylee is not in Puerto Rico.

[Albini]

This is what I just cant comprehend.

There is no "Why me?" or " Why did this happen to me, why MY daughter."" from Casey.

There is no lashing out at the people around her or pleas such as "Get outta my face and find my daughter""

She doesnt come off as a person who was just robbed of thier most precious gift..thier child.

My daughter is 4. FOr a long time I didnt know if she would live. I brought her home and she survived soley on technology (feeding tubes, O2, sats moniters etc).

I look back at pictures during this time and I dont recognize myself. I was sick looking, like the stress and uncertinaity was taking my health also.

I cried alot and got angry at people around me b/c I just didnt know and it was so unfair.

I broke down on side walks and screamed b/c every one elses world was moving on and mine was being ripped apart around me and the world in general didnt stop for me.

That is how I expect to see Casey. I expect to see a mother who has had the life ripped out of her.

I see a women with her shirt knotted around her waist holding hands and bouncing along with a man 2x her age.

I know every one grieves differently.....but I see not one iota of grief from Casey.:flamemad:

[rosejustrose]

I just saw the holding hands....WOW...I wouldn't doubt it if they were doing more than work, work, work from 10 - 4 p.m. EVERY DAY? If he were my husband I would be PISSED! They're not focused on Caylee anymore- they are focused on Casey and her constitutional rights. Caylee has been pushed in the back burner in their eyes. :flamemad: IMO before anyone gets upset at me for my opinion- please do not violate my constitutional rights of FREE SPEECH hahahhaha

That might work to Casey's advantage. Ineffective representation by counsel. Ooops, poor Jose, I guess he doesn't know about the little blue pill. JMO.

[Ionmhainn]

I noticed that too. Very inappropriate and totally unnecessary. IMO.


I think it's nothing more than a show of "solidarity." I don't see anything remotely suggestive about it. Protective, maybe. imo

[CinTN]

I just saw the holding hands....WOW...I wouldn't doubt it if they were doing more than work, work, work from 10 - 4 p.m. EVERY DAY? If he were my husband I would be PISSED! They're not focused on Caylee anymore- they are focused on Casey and her constitutional rights. Caylee has been pushed in the back burner in their eyes. IMO before anyone gets upset at me for my opinion- please do not violate my constitutional rights of FREE SPEECH hahahhaha

:o :beer: :o

[shelbar53]

I thought le went to nursing home and verified the story that cindy was there with Caylee on fathers day.Anyone else remember?
moo
yes it was verified, and they had to sign in..their visit was noted on a log and the staff remembers caylee

[Rayosunshine]

This has probably been posted, but found it interesting

J P Chatt? Ricardo brother, I believe casey lived with him. Does resemble Caylee.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/could-this-be-caylees-father/

JP Chatt wasn't Ricardo's brother, I don't think. He could be, though Ricardo's last name is Morales. Amy and Ricardo lived in a home owned by JP and his father. Not sure how long Casey was there, or when JP and Casey first knew each other.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[barskin&co.]

This is what I just cant comprehend.

There is no "Why me?" or " Why did this happen to me, why MY daughter."" from Casey.

There is no lashing out at the people around her or pleas such as "Get outta my face and find my daughter""

She doesnt come off as a person who was just robbed of thier most precious gift..thier child.

My daughter is 4. FOr a long time I didnt know if she would live. I brought her home and she survived soley on technology (feeding tubes, O2, sats moniters etc).

I look back at pictures during this time and I dont recognize myself. I was sick looking, like the stress and uncertinaity was taking my health also.

I cried alot and got angry at people around me b/c I just didnt know and it was so unfair.

I broke down on side walks and screamed b/c every one elses world was moving on and mine was being ripped apart around me and the world in general didnt stop for me.

That is how I expect to see Casey. I expect to see a mother who has had the life ripped out of her.

I see a women with her shirt knotted around her waist holding hands and bouncing along with a man 2x her age.

I know every one grieves differently.....but I see not one iota of grief from Casey.:flamemad:

And you never will.

[Albini]

and on the flip side of that...wth is baez thinking....he's the supposed mature married professional....where's impartial lol....aren't there guidelines for not being emotionally involved with a client?


Ohhh. Good point. I see trouble ahead for this man.

[Boxer]

When this whole mess started (with the 911 call on July 15), Casey told LE that she left Caylee with ZFG and couldn't get her back on June 9. She stuck to the story. Now, either you can believe Cindy and George were in a tizzy and went along with this date by mistake without thinking about, or were part of a deliberate cover-up. Anyway, it was Det. Yuri Melich who turned up the information about Caylee's Father's Day visit to GGF and checked it out and validated it. Cindy and George henceforth changed the date to June 16. Casey, on the other hand, swore to the date of June 9 over and over again, including on a handwritten, signed statement, and since that time said nothing to LE. Don't you just hate it when you forget the date your daughter was kidnapped?

ETA: Whoops, Cindy said June 7 originally!

absolutely......:biggrin: that's why I keep all my dates centralized at Tony's.

[rosejustrose]

OK TY ,, I knew she said a totally different date on the stand than in the report to LE/911 call

I myself prefer to call it something else besides beans... :tongue:

:no: Now, now, be good!

[rosejustrose]

When this whole mess started (with the 911 call on July 15), Casey told LE that she left Caylee with ZFG and couldn't get her back on June 9. She stuck to the story. Now, either you can believe Cindy and George were in a tizzy and went along with this date by mistake without thinking about, or were part of a deliberate cover-up. Anyway, it was Det. Yuri Melich who turned up the information about Caylee's Father's Day visit to GGF and checked it out and validated it. Cindy and George henceforth changed the date to June 16. Casey, on the other hand, swore to the date of June 9 over and over again, including on a handwritten, signed statement, and since that time said nothing to LE. Don't you just hate it when you forget the date your daughter was kidnapped?

ETA: Whoops, Cindy said June 7 originally!

Gee whiz, imagine those incompetent LE figuring out all this on their own. If I was the Anthonys, I'd be :chicken: JMO.

[deep*fear]

So, who had a puppy? I know the Anthonys had a dog or two, but who else that Caylee would have come in contact with? That might be something. Why talk about a puppy if there wasn't one? JMHO.

:shrug: Maybe when Casey was 'working' and taking Caylee to 'nanny' they really went to the zoo, park, mall pet store, or Animal shelter

[Joan Weiss]

Maybe my eyes are off, but he doesn't look like Chatt to me. Is there some other identifying info. linked to the pic? Thanks.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMomWell, if you have a pic of Chatt, I'd like to see it. What else would make you think not? You know him?

[rosejustrose]

How do we know she isn't pregnant right this red-hot minute? One of her nightclub hook-ups. EEEEE gads.

Remember the Diana Downs case? She tried to kill her three children for a man. One did die. She went out and immediately got pregnant again. The shrinks on the case had a term for it I can't for the life of me remember but it had something to do with replacing a dead/missing child with another. Maybe that's what Casey did. Got rid of Caylee and immediately went out an tried to get pregnant again. JMO.

[CinTN]

This is what I just cant comprehend.

There is no "Why me?" or " Why did this happen to me, why MY daughter."" from Casey.

There is no lashing out at the people around her or pleas such as "Get outta my face and find my daughter""

She doesnt come off as a person who was just robbed of thier most precious gift..thier child.

My daughter is 4. FOr a long time I didnt know if she would live. I brought her home and she survived soley on technology (feeding tubes, O2, sats moniters etc).

I look back at pictures during this time and I dont recognize myself. I was sick looking, like the stress and uncertinaity was taking my health also.

I cried alot and got angry at people around me b/c I just didnt know and it was so unfair.

I broke down on side walks and screamed b/c every one elses world was moving on and mine was being ripped apart around me and the world in general didnt stop for me.

That is how I expect to see Casey. I expect to see a mother who has had the life ripped out of her.

I see a women with her shirt knotted around her waist holding hands and bouncing along with a man 2x her age.

I know every one grieves differently.....but I see not one iota of grief from Casey.:flamemad:


ITA .. I have 3 children ,, my family and I took a vacation to Michigan from Fl to see family ,, my mom ( her grandma) said she could stay with them for a few weeks/ a month cause they were moving down after the final closing of the sale of their house,, I was fine with it,, trust my mom totally,, We came back home to Fl and as soon as I walked in the house seen her little shoes and toys I TOTALLY LOST IT !!!
I knew she was in trusted, capable hands but my little tinkerbell ( her nickname at 3) was not with me,,, My husband thought I had totally lost my senses ,, He kept telling me she is fine and will be back soon but it didnt matter she was not with me at the time,,,

this is what make me not understand how a tear is not shed over this missing child and makes me believe she is no longer with us,,

If I loose it for HOURS over my daughter in another state with her grandparent KNOWING FAR WELL I WILL SEE HER IN A COUPLE WEEKS.. how can these people NOT cry over a child MISSING ,, NOT SEEN,, OR HEARD FROM in over a month ...
hammer I DONT GET IT !!


JUNT DUMBFOUNDING ....

[Joan Weiss]

So, who had a puppy? I know the Anthonys had a dog or two, but who else that Caylee would have come in contact with? That might be something. Why talk about a puppy if there wasn't one? JMHO.Cindy is our only source for that info. Could be one of Casey's BFs that had a puppy. Funny Cindy wouldn't have asked whose puppy it was. I'm inclined not to believe it. imo

[forensicnut]

For those who think that Caylee was taken to Puerto Rico..it not that easy. Unless there was a ton of expensive and fake documentation, any other way would have left a legal record.

"For domestic U.S. travel, you will need a certified copy of the child's birth certificate. If you prefer a picture ID, it is not required but DMV (Department of Mot er Vehicles) offices will issue a photo ID with a photo for a small fee. Many countries have national ID cards. They are usually free but may take some time to obtain. Check expiration dates as they vary from document to document. Always double check with the airline as well. Find out what they want to see when you check in. This information is usually on the airline's website.

and

"If you are not flying with the other parent, it is a good idea to have a permission letter. It is rare they would ask for anything but especially for international travel, it's a good idea. If you have sole custody of your child, bring documentation of that fact. If you are flying with someone else's children, even if related to you, please make sure you have both power of attorney (in case of emergencies) and a permission letter from the parents.Find out if it needs to be notarized."

Not to mention there has to be an airline ticket for the child since she is not lapsized.

Caylee is not in Puerto Rico.

My daughter flies all over this county and has been to Canada and Mexico with her two small children. She's never had to show one single piece of documentation for the kids, even though the older one DOES have a passport. One is still 2 (almost 3) and the other is an under age one. She just buys tickets for her and her husband and both kids were considered lap children last time she flew.


With that said, I don't think she's in Puerto Rico either.

[AustinsMama]

This is what I just cant comprehend.

There is no "Why me?" or " Why did this happen to me, why MY daughter."" from Casey.

There is no lashing out at the people around her or pleas such as "Get outta my face and find my daughter""

She doesnt come off as a person who was just robbed of thier most precious gift..thier child.

My daughter is 4. FOr a long time I didnt know if she would live. I brought her home and she survived soley on technology (feeding tubes, O2, sats moniters etc).

I look back at pictures during this time and I dont recognize myself. I was sick looking, like the stress and uncertinaity was taking my health also.

I cried alot and got angry at people around me b/c I just didnt know and it was so unfair.

I broke down on side walks and screamed b/c every one elses world was moving on and mine was being ripped apart around me and the world in general didnt stop for me.

That is how I expect to see Casey. I expect to see a mother who has had the life ripped out of her.

I see a women with her shirt knotted around her waist holding hands and bouncing along with a man 2x her age.

I know every one grieves differently.....but I see not one iota of grief from Casey.:flamemad:

I'm with you Albini- my 18 month old just hit his head on the table and I just about passed out from shock and turned white, I can't imagine anything bad ever happening to my son I would just die! I think this is why this case hits so close to home- she's a mother- I'm a mother- I would be a wreck...I understand everyone handles things differently but you see nothing in her eyes- look at all her mugshots- there is no emotion. Someone can be happy but when you look in their eyes you can see sadness (if they are devastated by something)- she is NOT- she's wrapped up in herself. I wonder if Casey reads the emails that are sent to helpfindcaylee.com hmmmm

She's home again being catered to in her house, eating whatever she wants, surfing the internet, watching tv- WHERE'S CAYLEE?

I agree with a previous post- it would be hard to take Caylee on an airplane. I recently took my son to NYC and I live in California, I had to show a valid birth certificate and both my husband and I had to be present. No one took her on a plane. But what baffles me still to this day is why hasn't LE moved ahead with murder charges and wipe that stupid somber look off her face? She needs to rot! She's not human- she's the devil....

ALL IMO

[Joan Weiss]

JP Chatt wasn't Ricardo's brother, I don't think. He could be, though Ricardo's last name is Morales. Amy and Ricardo lived in a home owned by JP and his father. Not sure how long Casey was there, or when JP and Casey first knew each other.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMomRight. They were roommates.

[frances1]

I think it's nothing more than a show of "solidarity." I don't see anything remotely suggestive about it. Protective, maybe. imo


Are you kidding me? I know it's not funny in this situation, but I can't help but laugh sometimes about the gullibility of men when it comes to females. A female can see through another female in an instant, but men? Let's just say they haven't evolved very far in that department.

[Rayosunshine]

[QUOTE=summer4meplz;12129869]What would it matter if he WAS her father?[/QUOTE

The "matter" might be that Caylee is in Puerto Rico with Chatt's family.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[day2day]

Apparently, they do alot over there that we are NOT allowed to do here, and for good reason. Read starting pg 23 there. I rest my case.

To be fair. ..I posted a link to a news story where they had checked on the Trust fund and it had been closed. They did mention that the Anthony's were accepting-gift cards and cash donations.

[Loves2Read]

And you never will.

You are so right. IMO You can't give what you don't have. She has nothing in the way of feelings outside the ones she has for herself. She will do what is in her best interest regardless of what it would do to others.

[shelbar53]

does anyone know if the video of casey holding hands with the HPDA {high profile defense attorney} Baez is on utube? i cant upload/watch the videos on walsh tv news on my computer

[baywench]

i guess everyone has their own opinion about this because they look just a like to me :shrug:

I have always thought that the identity of Caylee's father was not really an issue, that being said, they really do look alike. It is more than striking. I have never thought Caylee looked alot like Casey. Very interesting anyway. jmo

[rosejustrose]

Cindy is our only source for that info. Could be one of Casey's BFs that had a puppy. Funny Cindy wouldn't have asked whose puppy it was. I'm inclined not to believe it. imo

Joan, I just find that so incredibly sad. We can't even believe the grandmother of this missing child. She lies, her daughter lies, her husband lies, and her son lies and is probably involved in some kind of financial scam. Where was the hope that little Caylee would have ever survived this mess? Breaks my heart, IMO.

RIP Caylee:rose:

[Rayosunshine]

For those who think that Caylee was taken to Puerto Rico..it not that easy. Unless there was a ton of expensive and fake documentation, any other way would have left a legal record.

"For domestic U.S. travel, you will need a certified copy of the child's birth certificate. If you prefer a picture ID, it is not required but DMV (Department of Mot er Vehicles) offices will issue a photo ID with a photo for a small fee. Many countries have national ID cards. They are usually free but may take some time to obtain. Check expiration dates as they vary from document to document. Always double check with the airline as well. Find out what they want to see when you check in. This information is usually on the airline's website.

and

"If you are not flying with the other parent, it is a good idea to have a permission letter. It is rare they would ask for anything but especially for international travel, it's a good idea. If you have sole custody of your child, bring documentation of that fact. If you are flying with someone else's children, even if related to you, please make sure you have both power of attorney (in case of emergencies) and a permission letter from the parents.Find out if it needs to be notarized."

Not to mention there has to be an airline ticket for the child since she is not lapsized.

Caylee is not in Puerto Rico.

Casey would have had the required birth certificate, she was Caylee's mother. Casey could have written a letter. The airline might have screwed it's manifest list of passengers. Better yet, no need for birth certificate or letter, a corporate jet may have been the mode of transport.

I am not convinced that Caylee is not in Puerto Rico. Convince me!

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Albini]

Remember the Diana Downs case? She tried to kill her three children for a man. One did die. She went out and immediately got pregnant again. The shrinks on the case had a term for it I can't for the life of me remember but it had something to do with replacing a dead/missing child with another. Maybe that's what Casey did. Got rid of Caylee and immediately went out an tried to get pregnant again. JMO.


Fungible

(meaning) Dispensable, expandable, replacable.

[dixielover]

I thought it was hilarious when they came out of the court house with all of that security and no one even approached them. I really didn't hear that many people screaming at her. Maybe she is loosing a little of her celebrity status. jmo

[nana6]

Good evening all, Nancy Grace is on in 6 minutes

[steffaroob4]

Don't know if this has been posted...halfway down the page


CASEY'S FORMER FRIENDS TAKE LIE DETECTOR TESTS

http://www.wftv.com/news/17483047/detail.html


Sources told Eyewitness News exclusively that Casey's ex-fiancé Jesse Grund, ex-lover Ricardo Morales and ex-best friend Amy Huizenga all went through lie detector tests. Sources said they were conducted not because they were accused of anything, but to make sure detectives could confirm all the details of their stories.

Sounds like something an innocent person wanting to find a toddler would do. I guess that sticks a big old pin into someone's theory that the friends are involved. Bunch of hot air going POP!

[baywench]

[QUOTE=summer4meplz;12129869]What would it matter if he WAS her father?[/QUOTE

The "matter" might be that Caylee is in Puerto Rico with Chatt's family.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


It's an interesting line of exploration but I have problems with it. It does not explain the cadaver smell or why Casey wouldn't just say that. Casey doesn't strike me as someone who would nobly lay down her freedom for anyone. As one poster said early Casey seems to leave a path of destroyed lives everywhere she goes. jmo

[Rayosunshine]

Good evening all, Nancy Grace is on in 6 minutes

I wonder what NG is spewing tonight.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[StickyBeak]

For those who think that Caylee was taken to Puerto Rico..it not that easy. Unless there was a ton of expensive and fake documentation, any other way would have left a legal record.

"For domestic U.S. travel, you will need a certified copy of the child's birth certificate. If you prefer a picture ID, it is not required but DMV (Department of Mot er Vehicles) offices will issue a photo ID with a photo for a small fee. Many countries have national ID cards. They are usually free but may take some time to obtain. Check expiration dates as they vary from document to document. Always double check with the airline as well. Find out what they want to see when you check in. This information is usually on the airline's website.

and

"If you are not flying with the other parent, it is a good idea to have a permission letter. It is rare they would ask for anything but especially for international travel, it's a good idea. If you have sole custody of your child, bring documentation of that fact. If you are flying with someone else's children, even if related to you, please make sure you have both power of attorney (in case of emergencies) and a permission letter from the parents.Find out if it needs to be notarized."

Not to mention there has to be an airline ticket for the child since she is not lapsized.

Caylee is not in Puerto Rico.

Well, I see no problem with this since CA is certainly proficient in forging any document pertaining to check cashing, credit card thef, whats a permission letter stating there is no father. JMO Sorry, pages behind here.
:biggrin:

[frances1]

Casey would have had the required birth certificate, she was Caylee's mother. Casey could have written a letter. The airline might have screwed it's manifest list of passengers. Better yet, no need for birth certificate or letter, a corporate jet may have been the mode of transport.

I am not convinced that Caylee is not in Puerto Rico. Convince me!

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


Maybe someone else wants to, but not me. Go ahead and think that.

[ellegna]

No, Cindy was asked by reporters if Caylee ever mentioned her by name or otherwise, and she replied that she hadn't and started in on how wouldn't have come up.

That is sooooo lame. Yeah right it wouldn't have come up.
I babysat my brother's kids most of the time. Every now and then my brother would use one of the neighbor's girls. He always called me to let me know where he was going and who was babysitting in case of emergency.
There have been many times the kids have told me things they did with the babysitter. Auntie. The babysitter took us to the park and we fed the ducks. The babysitter brought over this neat video game. The babysitter baked us cookies and we helped. I could go on and on. When they came to see their GM, my mom, they'd be bubbling over with tales to tell her too.
I recall reading somewhere Caylee was a little chatterer. If Zenaida existed and was her babysitter, surely Caylee, like my brother's kids, would have repeated things to her GPs where they went, what they saw, what they did.
Caylee never brought up Zenaida because there was no Zenaida.

[CinTN]

You are having the unfortunate experience of seeing EVIL. When I was reading about the donation scam on WS, and all the effort Lee was making to collect money, it just made me realize how evil people's minds work. I hope I never get wrapped up in a case so sick and selfish as this one again.


I know ,, its just unFLIPPINreal ...

I have not read anything about that with Lee .. Its been a while since I have been to WS,, LOVE the site,, they do have alot of info there,,
All I have seen about that crap with Lee is tidbits on here...

can ya shoot me a link ...

[Joan Weiss]

Joan, I just find that so incredibly sad. We can't even believe the grandmother of this missing child. She lies, her daughter lies, her husband lies, and her son lies and is probably involved in some kind of financial scam. Where was the hope that little Caylee would have ever survived this mess? Breaks my heart, IMO.

RIP Caylee:rose:Yes. When my granddaughter talks to me, I listen, and I ask questions because I love it when she wants to talk to me, and I'm interested in every single little thing in her life. imo

[barskin&co.]

I'm a couple pages behind, but ... so when was the real last day that Casey saw Caylee?


June 15 was Father's Day. June 16 is the last day George said he saw Caylee, leaving with Casey at 12:50, "to go to work, like a normal day."

[Albini]

ITA .. I have 3 children ,, my family and I took a vacation to Michigan from Fl to see family ,, my mom ( her grandma) said she could stay with them for a few weeks/ a month cause they were moving down after the final closing of the sale of their house,, I was fine with it,, trust my mom totally,, We came back home to Fl and as soon as I walked in the house seen her little shoes and toys I TOTALLY LOST IT !!!
I knew she was in trusted, capable hands but my little tinkerbell ( her nickname at 3) was not with me,,, My husband thought I had totally lost my senses ,, He kept telling me she is fine and will be back soon but it didnt matter she was not with me at the time,,,

this is what make me not understand how a tear is not shed over this missing child and makes me believe she is no longer with us,,

If I loose it for HOURS over my daughter in another state with her grandparent KNOWING FAR WELL I WILL SEE HER IN A COUPLE WEEKS.. how can these people NOT cry over a child MISSING ,, NOT SEEN,, OR HEARD FROM in over a month ...
hammer I DONT GET IT !!


JUNT DUMBFOUNDING ....

I agree!!!!

On Monday my baby started school. We dropped her off (kicking and screaming...me not her..okay both of us.) and when we came back the house was empty. My husband walked into her room and broke out crying. Swear to God.

I dont get how she can have dry eyes. The only tear she will ever shed is for herself. Not Caylee.:(

[baywench]

That is sooooo lame. Yeah right it wouldn't have come up.
I babysat my brother's kids most of the time. Every now and then my brother would use one of the neighbor's girls. He always called me to let me know where he was going and who was babysitting in case of emergency.
There have been many times the kids have told me things they did with the babysitter. Auntie. The babysitter took us to the park and we fed the ducks. The babysitter brought over this neat video game. The babysitter baked us cookies and we helped. I could go on and on. When they came to see their GM, my mom, they'd be bubbling over with tales to tell her too.
I recall reading somewhere Caylee was a little chatterer. If Zenaida existed and was her babysitter, surely Caylee, like my brother's kids, would have repeated things to her GPs where they went, what they saw, what they did.
Caylee never brought up Zenaida because there was no Zenaida.

Ita. That being said, Caylee would have mentioned what she did that day, and on many days. How did Cindy and George miss the fact that she didn't have a job? Such a strange dynamic in this family. jmo

[kakax]

I'm a couple pages behind, but ... so when was the real last day that Casey saw Caylee?



Can you even believe you have to ask that question? This family is pathetic. They can't muster up the courage to take lie detecters, gather the gumption to go actually out of their home to look for their daughter/grand daughter. I'm actually getting sick of hearing about them frankly. Who do they think they are fooling?

[concernedmom]

Why was Casey ordered to leave Amy alone? Was she calling or emailing her?

[msgatorslayer]

I thought it was hilarious when they came out of the court house with all of that security and no one even approached them. I really didn't hear that many people screaming at her. Maybe she is loosing a little of her celebrity status. jmo

I think people are just getting tired. It's the same old, same old.

[concernedmom]

That looks even worse (if its possible) that caseys ex friends take LD test and Anthonys all refuse and lawyer up.

[kakax]

Why was Casey ordered to leave Amy alone? Was she calling or emailing her?


She was ordered to not have contact, but I haven't heard if she had been contacting her.

[msgatorslayer]

Ita. That being said, Caylee would have mentioned what she did that day, and on many days. How did Cindy and George miss the fact that she didn't have a job? Such a strange dynamic in this family. jmo

Pure speculation on my part. I think Cindy knew that Casey wasn't working and kept it from George.

[cantstandnuts]

I thought it was hilarious when they came out of the court house with all of that security and no one even approached them. I really didn't hear that many people screaming at her. Maybe she is loosing a little of her celebrity status. jmo

I hope so. This is all fueling that sick ego of hers and there is no reason for her to come clean as long as this is going on. Add to that this fascination her attorney seems to have with her and odds are slim we're ever going to get any kind of truth from Casey Anthony.

Where is Caylee? :rose:

[rosejustrose]

Casey would have had the required birth certificate, she was Caylee's mother. Casey could have written a letter. The airline might have screwed it's manifest list of passengers. Better yet, no need for birth certificate or letter, a corporate jet may have been the mode of transport.

I am not convinced that Caylee is not in Puerto Rico. Convince me!

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Casey is an irresponsible idiot. I'm sure all Caylee's important documents were with Cindy. After all, she was the one who provided and paid for medical care. She'd need them. IMO.

[Boxer]

She was ordered to not have contact, but I haven't heard if she had been contacting her.

If she was, you can probably assume that each contact was printed and forwarded to LE:)

[day2day]

Can you even believe you have to ask that question? This family is pathetic. They can't muster up the courage to take lie detecters, gather the gumption to go actually out of their home to look for their daughter/grand daughter. I'm actually getting sick of hearing about them frankly. Who do they think they are fooling?

You are right. It is so pathetic. Karma...is all i can hope for!
jmo