Tuesday, September 16 - Discussion

[AnnInOhio]

Since I'm up and awake early, thought I'd get a new day started

[AnnInOhio]

I was unable to watch the trial yesterday. Who showed up for O.J.? family? girlfriend?

:confused:

I didn't see or hear of anyone mentioned in the courtroom except for Dominick Dunne, who I doubt was there to support OJ.

[Kara]

I have a hard time following the testimony after 5 p.m. but I'm watching IS tv right now and they showed part of Fromong's testimony. Did I hear him right? Did someone in the room say "Put the guns down"? (And OJ was motioning to put them down with his arm while this was said)

If I understood that snippet correctly, there is absolutely no way OJ can claim he didn't know anything about any guns being involved.

[warrkat]

Good morning.

I'm going to try to listen to OJ's trial and keep track of Casey Anthony's antics at the same time today, as well as getting my work done. If you hear a loud scream coming from this direction, you'll know my effort failed.

Re: the Goldman's. In order for them to get their hands on the "merchandise," wouldn't OJ have to be acquitted of the robbery charges? If it's decided in court that it was not his stuff, and thus a robbery, they couldn't claim the stuff, imo.

[warrkat]

I have a hard time following the testimony after 5 p.m. but I'm watching IS tv right now and they showed part of Fromong's testimony. Did I hear him right? Did someone in the room say "Put the guns down"? (And OJ was motioning to put them down with his arm while this was said)

If I understood that snippet correctly, there is absolutely no way OJ can claim he didn't know anything about any guns being involved.

I did hear him say that in the testimony yesterday. Whether or not it happened, I don't know. Seems like it was on the tapes, though.

[AnnInOhio]

Just heard on CNN. The Goldman's have filed papers in California to get those belongings O.J. thinks is his. O.J. only wanted that stuff back so the Goldman's couldn't get the money he owes them. O.J. skirting his financial responsiblity will finally work against him in court.

jmo

;)

I wonder what legal penalty, if any, OJ will face for hiding assets and if that will require yet another civil trial? OJ can't have it both way...either he gave Gilbert the stuff to hold for him in order to hide it from the Goldmans or he lied on his notarized statement that essentially said he had no "missing" possessions. My personal opinion is that OJ had Gilbert take the items to hide them from the Goldmans with the "cover story" being that he gave them to Gilbert in lieu of payment for services rendered. I think with Gilbert got tired of paying to store OJ's stuff he decided he wasn't going to do it forever and claimed possession by claiming the "cover story" as fact. I may be wrong, but I think the family photos and truly sentimental items were separate from the items given to Gilbert to hold and that Fromong, if he obtained them, got them from the person who bought the stuff at auction for non-payment of storage. I think OJ's issue with Gilbert was that he expected Gilbert to store his hidden valuables for him forever. OJ doesn't seem to be the kind of man who realizes that storing that stuff for a friend forever would eventually become burdomsome.

[AnnInOhio]

The talking heads are talking about how effective Yales's opening statement was. Does anybody but me think Yale was making statements the facts aren't going to support?

[AnnInOhio]

Did anybody hear the witness who briefly followed Fromong? I had to leave and left the recorder going, but didn't get anything. Who was it and what was the gist of the testimony?

[llylabrat]

for those who missed monday, thelegaledge.com has info on who's testifying today, all kinds of clips. this is michel bryants site.

[Mandysmom]

Good morning everybody. I'll be flipping back and forth between here and the Anthony board, and trying to do my work. lol

I saw most of the testimony yesterday, except the last bit.

Going to try and get caught up and ready for today's testimony.

:seeya:

[watchu]

CNN Headline News is covering it live...

or you can watch on your computer:

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1

[AnnInOhio]

I cannot get that site to function: have registered and had the registration confirmed twice. I give up. Please tell who they say will be testifying today.

The site says the next two witnesses will be forensic investigators, that Fromong is resing and the Court will be updated this morning regarding his health.

[AnnInOhio]

Oh I had to put Live-InSession/TruTV on mute, Jami Floyd is on:cuss: I always have to mute her show (I have it on my TV because they often show different camera angles -- and I did watch Eric McLean and his attorney, who did a great job in exonerating him, from what I saw. p.s. it ticks me off when so many assume we are 'always' pro-prosecution. At least I'm not. Though in OJ, most assuredly yes!

I also tried to register with LegalEagle with no success. Jean said Thomas Riccio is also/next on the docket -- even if Fromong is still ill.


Riccio makes more sense to me than forensic investigators!

[CourtsideVue]

OK! It's 8:00 am OJ time and there is still no link on the KTLA page for the live coverage. WHAT's the problem? I'm going to start cussing soon! :cuss:

[llylabrat]

I cannot get that site to function: have registered and had the registration confirmed twice. I give up. Please tell who they say will be testifying today.


thats strange. you dont even need to log in to watch the coverage. just log in to chat etc. they do have this ANNOYING flashing comment from michel bryant-moderator but it has changed since this morning.

WORD IS -- BRUCE FROMONG IS HEALTHY ENOUGH TO CONTINUE CROSS EXAMINATION BY SIMPSON ATTORNEY GABE GRASSO. NOT SURE IF IT WILL BE FIRST THING THIS MORNING OR NOT. STILL IN RECESS.


this morning it said they expect 2 forensic witnesses.

[CourtsideVue]

:::phew:::
Ok, the KTLA site is up and we've got live video of the flag and the seal of the great state of Nevada. I feel much better. For anyone who wants the link ... here ya go ..

http://www.ktla.com/pages/livevideo_channelb

[summer4meplz]

Just heard on CNN. The Goldman's have filed papers in California to get those belongings O.J. thinks is his. O.J. only wanted that stuff back so the Goldman's couldn't get the money he owes them. O.J. skirting his financial responsiblity will finally work against him in court.

jmo

;)


Can CA file charges against oj for trying to skirt his financial responsibility?

TIA

[summer4meplz]

Can CA file charges against oj for trying to skirt his financial responsibility?

TIA

oh, sorry...Good morning everyone! I hope Bruce is well enough to finish his testimony....that was sad to see him cry....I just caught the snip its from TruTV....

[llylabrat]

oh, sorry...Good morning everyone! I hope Bruce is well enough to finish his testimony....that was sad to see him cry....I just caught the snip its from TruTV....

yesterday i thought fromong was being a little to sensitive with his crying on the stand, but today i see it started after they brought up his mother being killed. oj called him the next day, so i kinda think memories of his mother got him all that emotional.

[CourtsideVue]

G'mornin' flere. It can be frustrating, can't it? Sometimes I just have to shut off the message board because I get so frustrated. But I'm hopelessly addicted to the trial process, even when it's OJ, whom I swear I wouldn't give him the time of day. He's like a train wreck. You know it's going to be bad, but you just can't help but watch.

Anyway, glad to see ya back.

Beth

[llylabrat]

I wish the answer were yes. I just don't know. It has been no secret that O.J. has been hiding his money for years and is getting away with it. That should be a crime. imo


lonnie and marta are on

[AnnInOhio]

Is it just my computer or does anybody else have a problem with buffering on the ktla feed? I like their anchors, but tape the cnn feed because it doesn't have the ongoing buffering issues.

[llylabrat]

fromong is back.

[AnnInOhio]

This is petty and girly, but I like the judge's blue robe vs. the typical basic black.

[llylabrat]

Is it just my computer or does anybody else have a problem with buffering on the ktla feed? I like their anchors, but tape the cnn feed because it doesn't have the ongoing buffering issues.

i'm not having any problems.

[llylabrat]

Is it just my computer or does anybody else have a problem with buffering on the ktla feed? I like their anchors, but tape the cnn feed because it doesn't have the ongoing buffering issues.

you could try this one

http://www.thelegaledge.com/index.php?livecover

also lasvegasnow.com covers it

[CourtsideVue]

This is petty and girly, but I like the judge's blue robe vs. the typical basic black.

Me too Ann! I was going to say that yesterday but then I didn't. But honestly, if I were a judge, I'd insist on a pretty pink robe. :D

Beth

[llylabrat]

this guy is breathing deeply already. can you see his coat move? he's gonna hyperventilate

[AnnInOhio]

so is anybody but me getting the idea that Fromong didn't have - or wasn't intending to sell if he did - the personal photos sold at auction from OJ's mom's storage? I think I'm getting the picture that OJ didn't expect his old friend Fromong to be in that room, hence his initial look of surprise.

[llylabrat]

omg is he serious? theres a difference in a gun being waved around and a gun being pointed??? either way, a gun is a gun!


gra$$o is trying to trip him up somehow, but its boiling down to nothing IMO

[AnnInOhio]

I thought the guy with the gun in his waistband was the one by the bathroom. I need to review. Darned work keeps getting in the way of my concentration!

[Fallen Angel]

omg is he serious? theres a difference in a gun being waved around and a gun being pointed??? either way, a gun is a gun!

This is the worst cross in history IMO lol

[Lqqkout]

Oh I had to put Live-InSession/TruTV on mute, Jami Floyd is on:cuss: I always have to mute her show (I have it on my TV because they often show different camera angles -- and I did watch Eric McLean and his attorney, who did a great job in exonerating him, from what I saw. p.s. it ticks me off when so many assume we are 'always' pro-prosecution. At least I'm not. Though in OJ, most assuredly yes!

I also tried to register with LegalEagle with no success. Jean said Thomas Riccio is also/next on the docket -- even if Fromong is still ill.

Anyone who dislikes Jamie does not want to hear an opposing view and definitely is pro-prosecution as is 99.9% of this board.

[llylabrat]

prosecution objects, judge calls counsel to bench...lets just hope she makes him move along:punch:

[CourtsideVue]

My feeds were kinda choppy this morning, so I switched from KTLA to the legaledge, and then over to the cnn feed. They were all equally choppy. And the sound at thelegaledge sucks (sorry Michel). So I closed my AOL browser and went back in through internet explorer (gads) and the KTLA feed is now smooth as pudding. So if any of you have choppy feeds and were using AOL, try shutting your AOL and use IE browser and see if that makes any difference at all.

Just sharing my new-found info.

Beth

[llylabrat]

Anyone who dislikes Jamie does not want to hear an opposing view and definitely is pro-prosecution as is 99.9% of this board.

jamie is always on the defendants side. i get that. she gets REALLY heated & excited over oj, however. like this case never should have made it to court? armed robbery? just because its oj? i don't think so. and the prosecution saying 'california didn't get him. florida didnt' get him. we're gonna get him' has just stoked her even more.

[llylabrat]

grasso leading the witness! or at least testifying to the jury!

[AnnInOhio]

Does it strike anyone else as odd that Grasso speaks to Fromong in a tone that acknowledges - and keeps bringing up - that there was a gun in that room?

[llylabrat]

Does it strike anyone else as odd that Grasso speaks to Fromong in a tone that acknowledges - and keeps bringing up - that there was a gun in that room?

Exactly! they keep acknowledging a robbery, that oj was there, but argue about the value of the s#!^. etc. jury will conclude robbery occurred

[Fallen Angel]

WOW i've NEVER seen a case like this :eek:

[Fallen Angel]

i agree!

omg judgejackie is letting them all have it!:eek:

This Judge might have a paddle and start whoopin in a minute lol

[CourtsideVue]

i wish this trial was with that big guy with the long hair. i liked him better. jmo

You mean Judge Bonaventure? Yeah, he was cool. :)

[AnnInOhio]

Judge Glass has a tone that conveys a message of "If you attorneys are going to act like children, I'm going to treat you accordingly. This is MY Courtroom!"

[CourtsideVue]

my dislike of jami has nothing to do with her opposing view. i love hearing opposing views. i love it when ron kuby or riki sub in for her. it's jami i dont like. not her views.

:::here here:::
I agree with that.

[llylabrat]

fromong is a good witness & gra$$o can't shake him up no matter what he tries.

[warrkat]

Camera went to OJ for a few seconds. He doesn't look quite so confident this morning, imo. confident....... cocky.... whatever.

[AnnInOhio]

I swear, I thought my husband was a slow reader! I'll bet Fromong drives his wife crazy reading the onscreen guide looking for something to watch on TV!

[AnnInOhio]

Oh Gabe! Don't make Fromong restate that he's not been close to OJ since the murder so he has no idea what OJ thinks now.

[Fallen Angel]

i'm soooooo glad i'm not a juror on this case lol

[CourtsideVue]

I LOVE the Grasso Smackdowns by Judge Jackie!
Go Judge!
:tongue:

[meopongo~]

Can you imagine if EH were at the helm?

:eek:

:seeya: hello!

whatever happened with judge halverson?? did she survive her hubby's attack?? i mean... is she OK? i never heard anymore about it..............


*wow! this place looks different!!

[CourtsideVue]

Can you imagine if EH were at the helm?

:eek:

Do you think she'd have her bailiff under her desk rubbing her feet during court? Yikes. I was NOT impressed with her.

[Fallen Angel]

haha we all heard it

i'm a little confused. Is it wrong he said that? Are you ok with OJ making money off of the deaths of Nicole and Ron?

[CourtsideVue]

This Luccherini (Sp?) is trying to make Fromong out to be some pill-popping drug abuser who was oblivious to what was going on around him because he was in a drug-induced haze.

Puh-lease.

[AnnInOhio]

My husband would still be counting his guns in his head and trying to decide which was his favorite for what.

[CourtsideVue]

OMG, his patronizing tone is making me absolutely::: barf :::sick.

[Mrs.Brea]

Camera went to OJ for a few seconds. He doesn't look quite so confident this morning, imo. confident....... cocky.... whatever.

He looks agitated as he listens to the judge.....

[meopongo~]

Meopongo~ Hi! Check out the IS/MB Forum Main Page (here) RE Halverson. We've been discussing it there :seeya:

thanks flere! i've only been here a couple of times, as you can see....still "feeling my way around"!!! :D

[Fallen Angel]

he said in court that he did not want to profit but then on the recording he said the wanted to make big money from inside edition.

nicole and ron have nothing to do with this trial, but i do not think anyone should make money off of their deaths.

i think he said that so he could get his stuff back. so far EVERYONE but this gentlemen has made money off this. are you aware of that?

[llylabrat]

he said in court that he did not want to profit but then on the recording he said the wanted to make big money from inside edition.

nicole and ron have nothing to do with this trial, but i do not think anyone should make money off of their deaths.

i think the goldmans do have something to do with this trial because the sports memorabilia in that hotel room, that oj said was his, had $$ value. if it was oj's property it should have been turned over to the goldmans.

[AnnInOhio]

he said in court that he did not want to profit but then on the recording he said the wanted to make big money from inside edition.

nicole and ron have nothing to do with this trial, but i do not think anyone should make money off of their deaths.

Glad you've never said anything in anger or under extreme stress that you wouldn't normally say or mean, i.e., "I could just kill you". After I got over having the crap scared out of me I'd think revenge would be a normal reaction - at least for me! Hitting OJ in the reputation and/or pocketbook would be the the first revenge that probably came to mind.

[CourtsideVue]

OMG so what was the point of all that? I thought he was going to turn up a document that showed that Fromong had an illegal substance in his system or something. But no, he just ends it there and moves on. I think that was a huge waste of time.

[llylabrat]

i really disagree with how the judge glass runs through her admonishment to the jury. i cannot understand what she is saying. why is she so proud of her speedtalking?

[CourtsideVue]

I think Marta is addicted to the Message Boards. LOL
When she talked about going to the Message Boards to see what was going on there, Loni jumps in and says "let's talk about the difference between lawyers." I think Loni tries not to have much to do with the boards. Marta on the other hand, is always trying to read and talk at the same time, which plucks my last ever-loving nerve. Look at her, she's just waiting to jump in with a comment from the board!

[AnnInOhio]

i really disagree with how the judge glass runs through her admonishment to the jury. i cannot understand what she is saying. why is she so proud of her speedtalking?

Irritates me, too. But I assume it gets monotonous to hear, especially when you've got squirming jurors who need to "go"!

[legalmania]

i really disagree with how the judge glass runs through her admonishment to the jury. i cannot understand what she is saying. why is she so proud of her speed talking?

Well she explained it to them in the beginning very slowey and specifically she even said if a carrier pigeon brings them information don't read it. So she has to say it every time that's why she rushes through it.

[nsm]

I keep hearing from the CTV hosts, that was this a robbery or was it just OJ going after his possession?

They are making it sound as if your posessions are in someones house, and they do not want you to have them, that you have the right to break in and take it.

I would think that is not the case. If OJ was just going after his stuff, he has or anyone for that matter,do they have the right to break in, with or without a gun...and retrieve it????

[CourtsideVue]

Poor Loni. She talks and talks and talks. Marta is not even listening. She's all ducked over with her nose stuck in the computer. She can read the boards during the testimony. When she's supposed to be discussing with Loni, she should be doing just that. Not leaving Loni to talk to "herself". :cuss:

[bearwds]

G'morning folks...........slept in today (yawn, where's the rolls?)

It seemed like Judge Glass just called an early break. Correct or something else going on ??

Watching Marta and that other gal. First time I've seen them. They seem a lot more interesting than TruTV.


bearwds

[Lqqkout]

Poor Loni. She talks and talks and talks. Marta is not even listening. She's all ducked over with her nose stuck in the computer. She can read the boards during the testimony. When she's supposed to be discussing with Loni, she should be doing just that. Not leaving Loni to talk to "herself". :cuss:

She is reading posts.

[CourtsideVue]

Mornin' Bearwds. It's afternoon here.
They're just on a potty break, supposed to be back in the next 4 or 5 minutes.

[llylabrat]

hey are poodle and i being confused because we both type in lower case?

[CourtsideVue]

She is reading posts.

Yeah I know she is, and I think she shouldn't be doing that while they're on the air. During the testimony, they should read the posts and pick out the ones they want to respond to during the next break.
I just think it's kinda rude of Marta. And don't get me wrong, I love these two ladies. I just don't like it when Marta does that.

[llylabrat]

She does that because the jury has heard the same thing many times. Can I ask you why you don't use proper grammar when typing? Someone else around here does that as well. It is hard to read your posts.

imo

Since you put that so nicely, I will try to do better. But, I won't promise anything.:seeya:

[meopongo~]

She does that because the jury has heard the same thing many times. Can I ask you why you don't use proper grammar when typing? Someone else around here does that as well. It is hard to read your posts.

imo

:confused: are you talking about because he/she doesn't capitalize???? it's perfectly understandable to me!! ???? some people skip the capitalization part...because maybe they find that it slows them down?? :shrug: not a problem to me!

[bearwds]

Plodding cross.

Businessmen or thugs. Potato or po-ta-to ??

C'mon Judge...move it along.
Condesending.



bearwds

[Details]

Oh, what a jerk. Suggesting he's testifying as the DA wants him to, for promises or expectations of getting the property back. You know, when you get stuff stolen from you, you normally DO get it back - it doesn't take anything special to do so.

[CourtsideVue]

So NOW Lucherini is trying to insinuate that this guy is testifying to what the prosecution WANTS, so that he'll get his stuff back. This is all BS from Lucherini. Waste of time. I hope Stewart is happy with his lawyer, because I wouldn't be if I were in his shoes.

[Details]

He's just so slow and repetitive and obnoxious. Fromong starting to get tired of these questions - did you think you had your gun with you? Would you normally carry your gun? I guess to make his client's patdown seem more normal.

[AnnInOhio]

anyone got a stick? i want to poke my eyes out instead of listening to this cross. it would be less painful i swearit!


Note to self...Don't hire this guy to defend me if I'm ever in big trouble in Las Vegas area...

[legalmania]

OMG these questions are CRAZY

I think he forgot who he's defending he seems to be defending O.J. not his client.

[lynbit]

Afternoon folks! Anyone figure out why OJ is constantly mumbling to himself. Something about that does not seem right. He's not talking to an atty or anyone else, just mumbling to the wind.:shrug:

[meopongo~]

There are no points off for grammar and spelling errors we all just read around mistakes.

:beer: hey... anyone who quotes jimi hendrix is definitely A.O.K. in my book!!! :D

[nsm]

As far as I know noone is to take the law into their own hands.

There are many ways to deal with returning property without using a gun with a group of thugs.

OJ thinks he is above the law, and he is not.

Further, the property should have been turned over to Fred Goldman, and we didn't see Goldman involved in armed robbery to get HIS property.

OJ should be punished for his role in this armed robbery and kidnapping.
Thats what I thought. Especially after hearing the audio tape. I dont see how he could possibly walk away from this charge.

[Kara]

Afternoon folks! Anyone figure out why OJ is constantly mumbling to himself. Something about that does not seem right. He's not talking to an atty or anyone else, just mumbling to the wind.:shrug:

I think he may be suffering from early Alzheimers/dementia, others think he's medicated. Maybe he's just trying to play the "feel sorry for me cuz I'm nuts after taking too many hits during my football career" card.:shrug:

[legalmania]

:beer: hey... anyone who quotes jimi hendrix is definitely A.O.K. in my book!!! :D

TY, wish he was still here. A man ahead of his time but died to soon.

[AnnInOhio]

Afternoon folks! Anyone figure out why OJ is constantly mumbling to himself. Something about that does not seem right. He's not talking to an atty or anyone else, just mumbling to the wind.:shrug:

Probably telling himself this is all Fred Goldman's fault and by golly he's NOT gonna get my stuff!

[Fallen Angel]

I think he forgot who he's defending he seems to be defending O.J. not his client.

that was the strangest part of it all IF you ask me

[CourtsideVue]

Hey, does anyone know why Dominick Dunne put on a set of headphones when the sidebar began??? What would be the point in that? What is he doing?:shrug:

[lynbit]

Hey, does anyone know why Dominick Dunne put on a set of headphones when the sidebar began??? What would be the point in that? What is he doing?:shrug:

watching the ktla live feed and listening to Loni and Marta's commentary:shrug:

[mbmb]

Maybe OJ is just bored to tears & decided he is his own best friend. So, now he will just talk to himself :shrug:

[Fallen Angel]

Hey, does anyone know why Dominick Dunne put on a set of headphones when the sidebar began??? What would be the point in that? What is he doing?:shrug:
he does that most of the time because of the echo . they are rreally cool. they actually record stuff and he can rewind and listen to it again. he's usually taking notes on pad or has his laptop.

[Fallen Angel]

Does he have a recorder so he can use the recordings for his Vanit Fair piece?

The actually headset has a tapeless recorder built it. He wrote about them in VF one time.

[CourtsideVue]

Thanks for answering my question about Dominick Dunne. I have a better idea of what he was doing now.

[bearwds]

"Help set up off-shore accounts"

I've heard this before in speculation. I also believe he has hidden assets.

Where is the IRS on this ??

Oh, I know, they are auditing my return...lol

[meopongo~]

TY, wish he was still here. A man ahead of his time but died to soon.

oh you and me BOTH..(wish he was still here...) i think about it all the time... yes... i'm obesessed... :( what a grrrrrrrrrrrreat guitar player...and overall musician... sorry for the OT......

[Details]

Judge smackdown! Not letting the attorneys run the courtroom. Sit down until I call you up!

[summer4meplz]

"I helped him set up his off shore accounts"

This alone should send O.J. to a dark cold jail cell for the rest of his life.

imo

:flamemad:

What about Fromong? Wouldn't that be illegal to knowingly set up offshore accounts?

[Details]

You never have the right to take the law into your own hands. If the stuff was his, there are two simple choices - call police, and get them to come over - or, if the police aren't game to do it, sue the people in court. An appropriate sting would be to go to that meeting with cameras, take pictures of all the stuff, establishing that these guys had it, then use that in the lawsuit.

[Details]

I think offshore isn't illegal, by itself. Offshore with intent to not pay taxes, hide assets is illegal - but only the account holder can determine what they do with it. He knew, no doubt, why the accounts were being set up that way - but I doubt Fromong could be considered guilty of accessory unless you can establish that he knew OJ's intent - if even then. Might be only the account holder is at fault.

[Lqqkout]

What about Fromong? Wouldn't that be illegal to knowingly set up offshore accounts?

He is nothing but a con man !!

[Details]

Prosecutor playing games - "Did Simpson have tunnel vision?" - obviously not something he can answer - he's trying to make the jury find the idea that OJ didn't see the guns laughable - which it is - but playing a game to do so. Much like the defense games played with Fromong trying to make it seem that personal belongings were not memorabilia.

[AnnInOhio]

He is nothing but a con man !!

As are, to some degree it seems, most people who are best buds with OJ Simpson.

[Lqqkout]

I think offshore isn't illegal, by itself. Offshore with intent to not pay taxes, hide assets is illegal - but only the account holder can determine what they do with it. He knew, no doubt, why the accounts were being set up that way - but I doubt Fromong could be considered guilty of accessory unless you can establish that he knew OJ's intent - if even then. Might be only the account holder is at fault.

The purpose of offshore accounts is to hide assets, tax or otherwise. I know people who have offshore accounts and they don't pay taxes on it.
.

[dmh]

how do I put my own quote on the bottom of all the replies I send?
OJ is talking to himself because no wants to hear it any more.

[bearwds]

SMACK......!!!


Go Judge Judy....oops, Judge Glass. ...har


bearwds

[Details]

I missed that - what did they object so loudly to?

[lynbit]

I love her. Hope she yells at O.J. next for talking to himself. imo

:beer:that would be awesome

[lynbit]

I thought Grasso got on my last nerve a year ago, but I must have had another one left, cause he is getting on it now.

[bearwds]

I love her. Hope she yells at O.J. next for talking to himself. imo

:beer:

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I half expect her to come down off the bench and start smacking heads.

How is she going to continue this trial without a stroke ??


bearwds

[Details]

So much complexity for such a simple question. And I wonder if there's a gotcha there. For example - in that transcript - was he being asked about all the stuff - the lithographs, footballs, etc. - or are they talking about the few items that have more personal significance, and his answer relates to that.

And still an irrelevant question - even if he said at one point he would have given it away for free - still doesn't make it OK to steal it.

[AnnInOhio]

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I half expect her to come down off the bench and start smacking heads.

How is she going to continue this trial without a stroke ??


bearwds

By issuing fines against the offending attorneys?? ;)

[legalmania]

By issuing fines against the offending attorneys?? ;)

I think she should throw all attorneys out and conduct this trial herself.

[Details]

Bad to worse! Yuck. You were on pain meds? No. So - how much did those drugs mess with your perceptions? No!

[tashi]

I love that the jury gets to ask questions

[bearwds]

I forgot....in LV the jury can ask questions. Hoo-rah...!!


bearwds

[AnnInOhio]

I think she should throw all attorneys out and conduct this trial herself.

She can certainly come up with more succinct, helpful questions.

[Fallen Angel]

LUNCH BREAK


this poor guy, i feel sorry for him.:rose:

[Fallen Angel]

Its wonderful they only have ONE hour lunches unlike the TWO/Two and half hour lunches the Spector jurors got.

[Details]

Love that jury gets to ask questions. Interesting question - not sure if they're going for the addiction angle (if you're addicted, you'll very quickly get some bad physical symptoms if you skip a dose or so - not after a few days, more like a day), or looking to see how severe his problems are.

[Details]

So unfair! The jury has to be back at 1:00, but the lousy lawyers get an extra 15 minutes! :)

[legalmania]

I love that the jury gets to ask questions

That's great ,I wish this was a rule everywhere.

[CourtsideVue]

So unfair! The jury has to be back at 1:00, but the lousy lawyers get an extra 15 minutes! :)

Just to be clear ... Judge Jackie told the jurors ... "Arthur will come and start lining you up between 1:00 and 1:15." So ... it looks like they'll not be coming in until about 1:15 either.

[legalmania]

Love that jury gets to ask questions. Interesting question - not sure if they're going for the addiction angle (if you're addicted, you'll very quickly get some bad physical symptoms if you skip a dose or so - not after a few days, more like a day), or looking to see how severe his problems are.

Did they say exactly what kind of opium pills he takes?

[Details]

Yeah, I know - but they were to be back by 1. Just joking around, of course - juries are a bit more inclined to be lax about when they show up, since they don't have a financial interest in the trial. So setting a time a few minutes early isn't a bad thing.

Love the jury asking questions - that should be allowed everywhere. I remember a few trials where the verdict went all wrong because the jury had one question on their mind, and the question was never asked - and had they had that answer, they could have come to a verdict. Stupid simple stuff sometimes, and the attorney thinks it's obvious - but it isn't.

[legalmania]

Did I hear Fromong say that he had been taking this drug for eight years? Is it normal to prescribe something this addictive for that long of time?

Some people have to take pain pills for the rest of their lives. This is very common. I didn't hear which opiatts he was on?

[Details]

Did they say exactly what kind of opium pills he takes?You mean opiate? - and I think the question had to do with something like Oxy-Codone (I know I mangled that name). Which is a fairly strong, but not very rare, painkiller. Some unfortunate people have to be on it all the time.

I hope they don't have some juror who is nuts on the addiction angle. People who are on pain meds have to deal with some prejudices and stereotypes of people who think they are junkies and addicts just because they need the pain meds. People who are in pain like that - the pain med doesn't make them high, hopped up, etc. - it just makes them able to function, normal.

[Details]

Addiction is always an interesting question on these drugs. They require the drug to function - and some call that addiction - but that's like a diabetic who requires insulin - is that addiction - or simply a necessary medication? There are real risks of addiction if you are overprescribed - which is why sadly many (if not all) chronic pain sufferers tend to be drastically underprescribed by doctors afraid of accusations of feeding an addiction.

But when the medication is used to simply control the pain - not to take the excess that would cause a high - it's not an addiction, and people are routinely managed on it for decades. I've got a cousin with rhumatoid arthritis in her spine and a few other horrible problems (at 18!) - she's on this type of drug, and likely will be the rest of her life.

[Details]

Is that like the type of drug it is or the strength of it...?A type of drug. Opiate. It's a fairly common type of pain med for the worse pain - but there are some risks of addiction.

[legalmania]

You mean opiate? - and I think the question had to do with something like OxyCodone (I know I mangled that name). Which is a fairly strong, but not very rare, painkiller. Some unfortunate people have to be on it all the time.

I hope they don't have some juror who is nuts on the addiction angle. People who are on pain meds have to deal with some prejudices and stereotypes of people who think they are junkies and addicts just because they need the pain meds. People who are in pain like that - the pain med doesn't make them high, hopped up, etc. - it just makes them able to function, normal.

I bet somebody on that jury is either on , or has in the past been prescribed opiates but it does effect the memory. I agree, hope it doesn't become an issue with the jury.

[Details]

There's a lot of misinformation out there. For this type of pain, the choice is simple - mind-blowing, unrelenting, pain that cannot be controlled by anything less - or you take something that can be addictive. But nearly any pain med can be addictive if used improperly. If used properly, it's not a problem - it just means someone who would otherwise be curled up in a ball of pain can now function with far less pain.

You don't get put on these meds if something less will cover it. From my understanding (I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV), the buzz that pushes you towards addiction happens when you are taking more of the med than needed. Take enough to dull the pain, and there is no buzz, no nothing that starts addiction. Take an excess, and that is where addiction starts.

[tdmac]

Do we need this much coverage of this trial? I'd be up for occasional updates, but this much devotion to more O.J. Simpson. This isn't the Crime of the Century anymore. He unfortunately was acquitted, but are they just trying to recapture the viewership of days gone by? There are other more interesting, more important cases to cover in my opinion.

I'm bored and OVER O.J. Simpson and turning the channel.

[Details]

Sorry to hear that about your cousin. So young to have to endure that.

Maybe with what you said here, that is why he said he only takes half the prescribed dosage sometimes.I'm sure he knows the risk - and probably wants to minimize everything with those meds.

My cousin seems perfectly normal - you'd never guess what is going on to look at her, talk to her, etc. I hope someday they find a cure for her. But in the meantime, she's doing well in life.

[mbmb]

You mean opiate? - and I think the question had to do with something like Oxy-Codone (I know I mangled that name). Which is a fairly strong, but not very rare, painkiller. Some unfortunate people have to be on it all the time.

I hope they don't have some juror who is nuts on the addiction angle. People who are on pain meds have to deal with some prejudices and stereotypes of people who think they are junkies and addicts just because they need the pain meds. People who are in pain like that - the pain med doesn't make them high, hopped up, etc. - it just makes them able to function, normal.

Oxycontin is a pain med & many people take it without becoming hooked on it. They simply need it to function in life. I have worked in a pharmacy for many years. There are of course people who use and abuse. But, many more, that do not. They worry about becoming dependent. They also worry about being dubbed as an addict. I think that pain management is what Doctor's work for. Fromong kept trying to say he only took what was needed & never more. He said he tried to take less than what he was prescribed. That tells me he is NO addict!

[legalmania]

Is that like the type of drug it is or the strength of it...?

Opiates are everything from Vicodin to Morphine and they are all additive. You just have to be careful and not exceed the maximum dosage of 180 mg per day.

[legalmania]

Do we need this much coverage of this trial? I'd be up for occasional updates, but this much devotion to more O.J. Simpson. This isn't the Crime of the Century anymore. He unfortunately was acquitted, but are they just trying to recapture the viewership of days gone by? There are other more interesting, more important cases to cover in my opinion.

I'm bored and OVER O.J. Simpson and turning the channel.

This is the way a courtroom is. I don't know if you've ever done jury duty, it's long and boring, nothing like tv.

[mbmb]

This is the way a courtroom is. I don't know if you've ever done jury duty, it's long and boring, nothing like tv.

legalmania, I have been a juror in two criminal trials & almost one in a federal trial. Do they let you knit? I think Judge Glass needs something to do with her hands. Knitting would be a good thing to do...it can be so mindless. Almost, like washing dishes :)

[CourtsideVue]

Do we need this much coverage of this trial? I'd be up for occasional updates, but this much devotion to more O.J. Simpson. This isn't the Crime of the Century anymore. He unfortunately was acquitted, but are they just trying to recapture the viewership of days gone by? There are other more interesting, more important cases to cover in my opinion.

I'm bored and OVER O.J. Simpson and turning the channel.

Apparently those of us who are actively watching and commenting on this board are interested. I have to wonder why you're here if you're so bored with it? You could have changed your channel a long time ago without coming onto the board here to complain about it, ya know?

Quite frankly, I am sick of seeing OJ flitting around the country acting like the laws do not apply to him and I am hoping to see justice served this time around. I believe that in his murder trial, he had a jury made up not of his peers, but of his fans. That jury was out long enough for them to inhale their state-provided lunch. I don't believe OJ has a jury of his fans this time, but maybe a jury more interested in the truth.

My gut is telling me OJ is guilty of what he has been charged with, and I'm hoping this jury comes back with a verdict as such.

As for you being bored with OJ and his trial ... :seeya:
TOODLOO!

[legalmania]

legalmania, I have been a juror in two criminal trials & almost one in a federal trial. Do they let you knit? I think Judge Glass needs something to do with her hands. Knitting would be a good thing to do...it can be so mindless. Almost, like washing dishes :)

lol, I'm sure the attorneys would love that so she would stay off their backs. If she's this jumpy at day two I can imagine by day 15.

[mbmb]

yes. oxycontin is extended release percocet. it is supposed to be taken twice a day with a short acting pain pill in between for breakthru pain. in this instance he takes hydrocodone between doses of oxycontin. to have been taking this medication for 8 yrs, i am suprised he is still taking 10-20mg. thats a very low dose of oxycontin.

I totally agree with you. I think that people look down on people who have to take pain meds. To me Fromong is trying to control his use of pain meds.

[legalmania]

180 mgs of what?? morphine has no limit.

Sure it does. They have 60mg. time released pills. For severe pain I know I had to take it when I had a pleurisy.

[legalmania]

i've never been called for jury duty. but i'm waiting! i have always wondered if they'd let me crochet while i listened.

Hope you get the opportunity it can be interesting if you get a good case. I use to do it for a living and I had a love hate relationship with the law.

[mbmb]

lol, I'm sure the attorneys would love that so she would stay off their backs. If she's this jumpy at day two I can imagine by day 15.

Personally, I think she should stay off all caffeine and do a low dose of Xanax. I remember back in the day when I did prescription speed & I wasn't that darn jumpy. I want the Judge to be in control of the courtroom, but she does seem to be a little unglued??? :shrug:

[GentleBreeze]

I never met anyone who has been prescribed opiates and nor have I. You make it sound like everyone has. I think you might lose that bet. imo

I am like you. You could put what I know about drugs, illegal or prescription, into a thimble and still have room left over.

imoo

[CourtsideVue]

i've never been called for jury duty. but i'm waiting! i have always wondered if they'd let me crochet while i listened.

I was summoned for jury duty last December. I was SO excited after spending the summer glued to my chair for the Spector trial. Unfortunately, I had to request excuse due to family hardship. You see, I have a medically fragile child that I care for 24/7 and I don't think the judge would be happy to recess the court while I tubefed my daughter. LOL. I was excused without ever having to report.

But DARN, I sure wish I could have had that opportunity, just once!

And I doubt they'd let you knit or crochet. Although you feel it's mindless, they would say that you would be distracted from the testimony, and you might also be distracting to other jurors seated near you. (I still think it would be a good idea). They could make blankets during their jury duty and then donate them to the local hospital or something. LOL

[legalmania]

Apparently those of us who are actively watching and commenting on this board are interested. I have to wonder why you're here if you're so bored with it? You could have changed your channel a long time ago without coming onto the board here to complain about it, ya know?

Quite frankly, I am sick of seeing OJ flitting around the country acting like the laws do not apply to him and I am hoping to see justice served this time around. I believe that in his murder trial, he had a jury made up not of his peers, but of his fans. That jury was out long enough for them to inhale their state-provided lunch. I don't believe OJ has a jury of his fans this time, but maybe a jury more interested in the truth.

My gut is telling me OJ is guilty of what he has been charged with, and I'm hoping this jury comes back with a verdict as such

As for you being bored with OJ and his trial ... :seeya:
TOODLOO!

Seems like maybe you should follow your own advise.

[bearwds]

Thanks everyone for the drug info...:)
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Oxy's and "X" (Ecstasy), are 2 of the more common drugs available on the street.

As Oxy's dull the senses, they are quite popular.

Don't understand that type illegal use. Life is mind numbing enough..lol

As a retired nurse, I remember the times when pain management was almost ignored. After awareness, the AMA instituted a "pain scale". It was a chart of smiley to horrible faces on a chart. One to ten. The patient would reply to subjective feelings. Doctors and nurses would have to justify why med administered (PRN--as ordered), and results.

Wonder about the jury's question today about Oxy. How did they know the extensive side-effects to ask about ?? Sounds like someone looked (researched) the question. Isn't that against jury rules to investigate ??


bearwds

[Details]

I only got called for jury duty once - fascinating. Lots of little details, angles being played, etc. - and that was just the jury selection process! One person who appeared to have a vendetta against police but was trying to be selected, some who were trying to get out of jury duty, a prosecutor trying to do the defense's job of eliminating biased jurors as the defendant was representing himself, and (I'm guessing) he didn't want the verdict overturned, etc. The defendant was the most clueless guy possible - accused of drug dealing, and he looked like he'd just come out of wardrobe to be cast as a lowlife drug dealer - greasy slicked back hair, hangdog look, ill-fitting rumpled suit, too much jewelry. Sadly for me (fortunately for him) - he decided to accept representation, so everything had to be restarted, and all of us jurors were dismissed.

[CourtsideVue]

the 60mg MsContin is just a dose. you may have been limited to 180mg/day by the doc but that is why morphine is such a good drug to use for acute pain....it has no limit. whatever a person needs to maintain pain control is what they can use. i have had end stage AIDS patients and cancer patients that take 200mg 4 times a day with extra short acting morphine inbetween.

Well when you say there's no limit ... there IS a lethal limit. At SOME point, morphine will kill you. At a high enough dose, it becomes lethal.

But I do understand your point. You can take quite a bit if needed.

[legalmania]

were you a lawyer? are you retired now?

i would love to get called for jury duty. i get so jealous of my coworkers that get to go. im the biggest trial junkie at our work. and i never get to go :mad:

Paralegal I dislike most lawyers. I still work but have been lucky enough to get enough business that I can work from home. After 8 years of abuse.

[sailordog]

What happened to the CNN Live feed? They were at lunch now even the state seal is gone. What gives?

[Details]

...As a retired nurse, I remember the times when pain management was almost ignored. After awareness, the AMA instituted a "pain scale". It was a chart of smiley to horrible faces on a chart. One to ten. The patient would reply to subjective feelings. Doctors and nurses would have to justify why med administered (PRN--as ordered), and results.

Wonder about the jury's question today about Oxy. How did they know the extensive side-effects to ask about ?? Sounds like someone looked (researched) the question. Isn't that against jury rules to investigate ??


bearwdsThe jury's question is why I think there is someone there with either a bias against and experience with pain med abuse, or with medical experience. It would indeed be against the rules to research, but anything they know they can ask about. So, someone knows that list of side effects.

I've got a great-aunt who tried to kill herself, came far too close to success, because her doctor ignored her pain, and finally she just couldn't live with it anymore.

[AnnInOhio]

Did I hear Fromong say that he had been taking this drug for eight years? Is it normal to prescribe something this addictive for that long of time?


Yep. I have several friends with bad backs who have been on oxycontin for years. After awhile it doesn't even give them a buzz, they just notice when they don't take it because the back pain becomes quickly unbearable.

[CourtsideVue]

i didnt know about your child and bless your heart:rose:. i guess they wouldnt call for a break for you to run home though would they? lol. i wish you could have done it somehow!

i bet you are right about not letting the jury crochet. what about the gallery? do you think you could sit there and crochet in the gallery?

LOL Maybe in some courtrooms you could, but surely not in others. Heck, Judge Larry P. Fidler wouldn't even allow folks in the gallery to chew gum! If your knitting needles clinked together even once, you'd be outta there! But I can't see why it would hurt anything as long as you weren't in the very front row where the jury might be inclined to watch.

[legalmania]

the 60mg MsContin is just a dose. you may have been limited to 180mg/day by the doc but that is why morphine is such a good drug to use for acute pain....it has no limit. whatever a person needs to maintain pain control is what they can use. i have had end stage AIDS patients and cancer patients that take 200mg 4 times a day with extra short acting morphine inbetween.

The 180mg is what the AMA recommends for all patients except those with aids or cancer they can take it as needed. If you have a bad back you can only have 180mg daily.

[sailordog]

It's baaaaaaacccccccccccckkkkkkk. Nevermind.;)

[CourtsideVue]

What happened to the CNN Live feed? They were at lunch now even the state seal is gone. What gives?

I've got the KTLA feed still saying "Stand By For Live Coverage" and they were to be back at 1:15 pst (which is NOW!)

[bearwds]

there is a nurse on the jury. the question might have come from her. you and i, as nurses, would know what to ask.

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Didn't know that....thanx Wendy. Always cracks me up when drugs are advertised on TV and the list of side-effects are much worse than the condition they are designed to cure. ..ack



bearwds

[legalmania]

oh cool that you can work from home! i've thought about doing phone triage nursing so i can work from home. i just cant get them to pay me enough, lol

Well good luck hope you get to do jury duty and work from home and get paid mega bucks.

[CourtsideVue]

Judge Jackie is on the bench.
With no warning from Loni and Marta at KTLA.

[Details]

KNBC is replaying the cross - all this, "Do you recall being asked this question" - I can't say I'd recall being asked a particular question 2 months ago, let alone a few years. He's been asked about this event several times. Why would he have a perfect recollection (drugs or no) of each one of these interviews?

[Lqqkout]

[QUOTE=GentleBreeze;12129587]I am like you. You could put what I know about drugs, illegal or prescription, into a thimble and still have room left over.

imoo[/QU

Count your blessings. You have been lucky, healthwise.

[legalmania]

there is a nurse on the jury. the question might have come from her. you and i, as nurses, would know what to ask.

Oh boy maybe that's why the defense dwelled on it. Some nurses and doctors think that if you ask for or on prescribed pain pills you have a habit. I hope that juror is not one of those.

[beemeup]

Good morning everybody. I'll be flipping back and forth between here and the Anthony board, and trying to do my work. lol

I saw most of the testimony yesterday, except the last bit.

Going to try and get caught up and ready for today's testimony.

:seeya:
Are u on the In Session Anthony board? Are we back????

[rainbo]

Where can I find a makeup of the jury? I want to know what they do for a living, how old they are, etc. Thanks! :seeya:

[sailordog]

Thanks courtside for replying!

[Details]

Is it back? KNBC is still running recaps of the cross.

[cherylt]

Does anyone know who this witness is? Is he a speciality Audio tech?

TIA!

[cherylt]

cheryl, hes over the security at the hotel

Thanks! Do you happen to know his name?

Doesn't seem to be a lot of interest here. I actually was looking for another live trial. If there is one, maybe others are there??

:seeya:

[legalmania]

Does anyone know who this witness is? Is he a speciality Audio tech?

TIA!

Hey cherylt welcome aboard, how's the job search coming? Shula if you didn't hear

[CourtsideVue]

Is it back? KNBC is still running recaps of the cross.

Yes, we've been back for about 10-15 minutes.

[Details]

KNBC finally made it.

[legalmania]

cheryl, hes over the security at the hotel

Is his first name Hes?

[cherylt]

Hey cherylt welcome aboard, how's the job search coming? Shula if you didn't hear

Hey LM! No job search yet, having fun right now getting to watch live trials!! :) I am going to talk to the county college this week to find out about there Paralegal cert program...

Thanks for the name!

[Details]

Interesting deference to Hotel security secrets here. Nice - but a little surprising.

[CourtsideVue]

Hey LM! No job search yet, having fun right now getting to watch live trials!! :) I am going to talk to the county college this week to find out about there Paralegal cert program...

Thanks for the name!

Ha!
First name Frank. Last name S-C-I-U-L-A.

[bearwds]

can yall smell them? i just took some homemade strawberry cupcakes out of the oven. (i really did, lol) homemade creamcheese icing is going on top when they cool.
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DON'T let this batch fall on the floor no matter what your dogs says. Tease...Fax me one pls.

Cross of security guy is ok but again rather plodding. Get to the point.


bearwds

[cherylt]

Retired Steel salesman
Comm Loan Officer
Engineer (UGH!) jush joshin'
Adoption Spvr
Retail Staff Spvr
RX Sales Rep
Preschool Teacher
Nurse
Recently unemployed former Operations Mgr @ Casino
Bank Teller (was victim of a robbery)
Airport Food & Bev Mgr
Unemployed and believes the book "I did it" was inconsiderate (female)

9 women & 3 men /
6 alts w/ 3 men (I think)

[cherylt]

Is it me or is something wrong with the CNN feed?

Anyone have other links?

Thanks!

[bearwds]

[QUOTE=cherylt
Unemployed and believes the book "I did it" was inconsiderate...
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Thanxs Cheryl...!! Most helpful.

Curious as to "inconsiderate". What was meant by that, if you know ??


bearwds

[CourtsideVue]

This prosecutor (forgot his name), his voice reminds me of John Goodman. All I can think of is ... "Dan Dan ... The Drywall Man."

[Regina.Lampert]

I concur.

Nice to see you stop by. Please do that more often.

Judge Glass rocks! imo

:seeya:

Why thank you BCF, I'm watching but also am a victim of the Caylee Anthony board, addicted sad to say.

I love how Judge Glass rules this little boy's club with an iron hand. You can tell they resent it, and that pleases me no end.

[cherylt]

[QUOTE=cherylt
Unemployed and believes the book "I did it" was inconsiderate...
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Thanxs Cheryl...!! Most helpful.

Curious as to "inconsiderate". What was meant by that, if you know ??


bearwds

I believe she just thought it wasn't right that he wrote that book considering the Goldman & Brown families... (I can come up with a whole lot of adjectives re: that book that 'inconsiderate' is the LEAST of the them! ) :)

[CourtsideVue]

[QUOTE=cherylt
Unemployed and believes the book "I did it" was inconsiderate...
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Thanxs Cheryl...!! Most helpful.

Curious as to "inconsiderate". What was meant by that, if you know ??


bearwds

I heard her explanation of that comment during voirdire. She said it was inconsiderate of OJ to title that book as he did, and drag both his family and the Brown family and Goldman family back through all that again. Saying that the title just seemed RUDE.

[CourtsideVue]

Something about this witness seems "shady." Not sure what it is but I get a vibe from him. LOL

[CourtsideVue]

Here ya go ...

http://www.ktla.com/livevideo_channelb

[cherylt]

Something about this witness seems "shady." Not sure what it is but I get a vibe from him. LOL


Yeah? Seems kind of neutral to me. Maybe he is just nervous? ...

for others: witness is Allan Morris - Surveillance Shift Spvr @ Palace

[bearwds]

[QUOTE=bearwds;12130050]

I heard her explanation of that comment during voirdire. She said it was inconsiderate of OJ to title that book as he did, and drag both his family and the Brown family and Goldman family back through all that again. Saying that the title just seemed RUDE.
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OK...gotcha. Much thanx.


bearwds

[Details]

This guy looks like he's finding the whole experience very surreal - and like he's not all that smart.

[bearwds]

This guy looks like he's finding the whole experience very surreal - and like he's not all that smart.
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Well, his job is to sit behind a TV screen all day and watch for dishonest gamblers. Not exactly Dick Tracy. I don't think he has much experience on the stand as evidenced by his spacy look and inappropriate affect.


bearwds

[Details]

Yeah, exactly. He's a fairly normal person, and testifying is always a weird thing, with a bunch of attorneys who are all fighting to tilt your testimony to their direction - it's going to be a strange thing.

I don't know what the point of the testimony is though - this all seems like uncontested stuff. No one seems to be denying (although we haven't gotten to the defense case yet) that OJ went in to the casino with these guys, and left with the stuff.

[Details]

This is kind of like the testimony of the bellhop yesterday. Yup - they brought the stuff in to the hotel room.
And now -Yup, OJ and his buddies came in. If anyone figures out the point of dragging out undisputed evidence plese enlighten us.The bellhop - they did make one little dinky point - at least he could testify how the victims were very protective of the merchandise - obviously they believed it had a great deal of value - never let it out of their sight.

And, of course, that if OJ had needed assistance legitimately picking up stuff from them, the bellhops would have helped lug the stuff out of the hotel too. So the only reason for the posse was to have guys willing to be threatening and carry guns. Bellhops - in this hotel - I guess don't provide that particular service.

But that one isn't much of a point - even if the bellhop knew he'd help carry stuff out, someone could make the point that OJ didn't know that. Still - showing that these guys did not consider this stuff mere personal junk (the inventory alone pretty well proves that anyway) - it's a little point. Not worth much time, but it is a little point.

[bearwds]

[QUOTE=Details

I don't know what the point of the testimony is though....snip
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The point would be to create a matter of record. Like telling a story, a chain of command. Important if there is an appeal.

I've testified a couple of dozen times as an "expert", and the question I disliked most was "Isn't it true?"

Lawyers know the answer to most every question they are going to ask. Rare are the surprises (with the exception of Dr. Baden's "ah-ha" moment...lol


bearwds

[Lqqkout]

This is kind of like the testimony of the bellhop yesterday. Yup - they brought the stuff in to the hotel room.
And now -Yup, OJ and his buddies came in. If anyone figures out the point of dragging out undisputed evidence plese enlighten us.o

This is so boring...unless they can prove the videos were put together out of sequence, who really cares. I am so glad I have to leave to go painting.

[Details]

The point would be to create a matter of record. Like telling a story, a chain of command. Important if there is an appeal.

I've testified a couple of dozen times as an "expert", and the question I disliked most was "Isn't it true?"

Lawyers know the answer to most every question they are going to ask. Rare are the surprises (with the exception of Dr. Baden's "ah-ha" moment...lol


bearwdsThey did a lot of "Isn't it true" to the victim yesterday, and he kept answering "No" - and they kept acting surprised. I'm not sure if that's because they were bad lawyers who didn't know the answer, or if they wanted to pretend for the jury like he was giving very out of line, incorrect answers about the sports memorabilia business.

[CourtsideVue]

This is really tedious. I'm going to step out for a few minutes. Time for a diaper change and a tube feeding for my daughter, and a potty break for me. I need to throw a load of towels in the washer. It's leftovers for dinner tonight for my other daughter and I. I'll be back in about 20-30 minutes or so. If anything "JUICE-Y" happens, be sure to comment on it!

:seeya:

[CourtsideVue]

You could be a paralegal from home? How is that possible?
imo

:shrug:

It's called research and writing briefs.

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Wow, exciting. Footage of a parking lot with no people in it, not a living thing moving. Oh - look - a minivan just drove by!

[bearwds]

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This is so boring...unless they can prove the videos were put together out of sequence, who really cares. I am so glad I have to leave to go painting.
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Is that with an easel, or a paintbrush and a barn ?? ...ha

Stop in later in the week...should get more interesting to you. :seeya:


bearwds

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I'm on KNBC. I don't have the link for the CNN.

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It's funny - thinking about past testimony where an attorney was trying to get Fromong to clarify if he thought they were thugs or businessmen - there isn't always a difference. A suit may make you look like a businessman, while your actions show you to be a thug. There's lots of businessmen who are also thugs. And your clothing can be completely gang-banger and your actions can show you to be a good decent person. I'm just thinking that while for the attorney's purposes he's going for "inconsistiency", and trying to portray his client as well as possible, it's a false dichotomy he was pushing.

[CourtsideVue]

Was O.J. in the minivan?

:biggrin:

:lol:Too bad it wasn't a white bronco!

[mbmb]

It's darn good thing I'm not on this Jury. I can't read a map to save my life. But, then again you could just fake it at this point.

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Quite a large group to just pick up a few family photos, isn't it?

[CourtsideVue]

LOL I love the video clip of them with the lady nonchalantly walking along behind them swinging her shopping bag. She had no clue.

And that clip just shown with the 4 somehwat older people *slowly* walking through. It just makes me laugh. Yeah, I'm bored.

[bearwds]

It's funny - thinking about past testimony where an attorney was trying to get Fromong to clarify if he thought they were thugs or businessmen - there isn't always a difference. A suit may make you look like a businessman, while your actions show you to be a thug. There's lots of businessmen who are also thugs. And your clothing can be completely gang-banger and your actions can show you to be a good decent person. I'm just thinking that while for the attorney's purposes he's going for "inconsistiency", and trying to portray his client as well as possible, it's a false dichotomy he was pushing.

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I mentioned that up-thread. There are many button down thugs who dress very nicely on Wall Street. ...lol


bearwds

[AnnInOhio]

According to the Palace Station Hotel and Casino website ...

The "courtyard" rooms are "For our rate-conscious guests..."

I thought most of these guys were big wheeler-dealers in sports memorabilia.

The now notorious OJ and his creme de la creme circle of acquaintances and business associates.

:lol:

There was mention that Arnelle Simpson, fledgling wedding planner, planned the wedding trying to save some money without knowing the town.

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You know it's like what your Mom always told you: Look Your Best. I swear you never know who will see you in this day and age. :chicken:

[AnnInOhio]

LOL I love the video clip of them with the lady nonchalantly walking along behind them swinging her shopping bag. She had no clue.

And that clip just shown with the 4 somehwat older people *slowly* walking through. It just makes me laugh. Yeah, I'm bored.

I don't know which is worse: watching the webcam pointed at the Casey Anthony home, watching this hotel video or watching paint dry. It's a toss up.

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Does anyone know - suit-guy next to OJ in all the video - is that the co-defendant here? Or is that someone else?

[mbmb]

For God's sake this jury isn't sequestered is it? I sure hope not...they will actually die of boredom.

[cherylt]

OMG! I left for quite a while to eat & feed the pets. He's still on?!
I don't get bored very easily when it comes to trials, but this one is BORING!

Wow - maybe almost done now. Break time!

[mbmb]

OMG! I left for quite a while to eat & feed the pets. He's still on?!
I don't get bored very easily when it comes to trials, but this one is BORING!

Wow - maybe almost done now. Break time!

I'm so with you on this one...

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Hi guys..just blew in from work..man oh man just caught last bite of someone describing video..now a break..

Ok List of questions..
Did Mike Gilbert Tesify?
Did Fromong make it back to finish his testmony?

Watching om Cnn/live

Phewwwww...Oh boy...niw I can get out of uniform....

LMS:seeya:

[cherylt]

I don't know which is worse: watching the webcam pointed at the Casey Anthony home, watching this hotel video or watching paint dry. It's a toss up.

LOL! Probably the Anthony home, but not by much. There is least stuff going on there, although I don't care to watch it...
Paint drying is a close 2nd...

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I watching on KTLA. Lucky Marta had a dental appointment. ;)

[AnnInOhio]

No to Gilbert and Yes to Fromong!

[legalmania]

Hey LM! No job search yet, having fun right now getting to watch live trials!! :) I am going to talk to the county college this week to find out about there Paralegal cert program...

Thanks for the name!

Good deal, make sure they have a program or something to help pass the CLA. It is hard. Most people don't pass it their first time.

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Fromong was back, finished his testimony without incident (other than a few times when the judge jumped down attorney throats), then we had some security guy, then a video guy, then lots of boring video. No major testimony - all the stuff that everyone pretty much agrees about.

[cherylt]

For God's sake this jury isn't sequestered is it? I sure hope not...they will actually die of boredom.


Nope - I was a little surprised about that but the Judge seems to have confidence in the jury. They would need alot more ambulances @ the scene w/ sequestration! :)

[cherylt]

Good deal, make sure they have a program or something to help pass the CLA. It is hard. Most people don't pass it their first time.

Thanks for the advice!

(sorry all, o/t)

[CourtsideVue]

Tom Riccio really is a greedy pig out to make as much money as possible from this. If you were just listening to Loni, he's got a big long list of things he'll do for money. You can pay him $5000 and he'll have dinner with you on the day he testifies in this trial. $2500 for lunch, and $2000 for breakfast. $7500 and he'll run your ad on the side of the limo he takes to and from court on the day he testifies. Such ridiculous. He has these delusions of grandeur and that makes me sick.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Fromong was back, finished his testimony without incident (other than a few times when the judge jumped down attorney throats), then we had some security guy, then a video guy, then lots of boring video. No major testimony - all the stuff that everyone pretty much agrees about.

TY so much..so havent missed too much..I did hear the Mike Gilbert will be testifying from Beth Karas..so looking foreward to his testimony..He will backing up the hiding of assets by OJ since civil judgement..and will be likely discuss just what "STUFF" (lol) OJ has/had..and how Furmong came to have all this STUFF!!

LMS:seeya:

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Nope - I was a little surprised about that but the Judge seems to have confidence in the jury. They would need alot more ambulances @ the scene w/ sequestration! :)

TY...the judge doesn't seem to be one to take much B.S. But, sometimes she seems a little too Palin...if you know what I mean?

[legalmania]

OMG! I left for quite a while to eat & feed the pets. He's still on?!
I don't get bored very easily when it comes to trials, but this one is BORING!

Wow - maybe almost done now. Break time!

Better get use to it if you wanna work in a courtroom. I use to leave things at the office so I could leave because I would start to fall asleep.

[cherylt]

Tom Riccio really is a greedy pig out to make as much money as possible from this. If you were just listening to Loni, he's got a big long list of things he'll do for money. You can pay him $5000 and he'll have dinner with you on the day he testifies in this trial. $2500 for lunch, and $2000 for breakfast. $7500 and he'll run your ad on the side of the limo he takes to and from court on the day he testifies. Such ridiculous. He has these delusions of grandeur and that makes me sick.

You are certainly right about everything you said. But the sad part is that he ADMITS it out right. He won't try to fool you by saying he isn't out for money, so at least is isn't playing the "holier than thou" card. He is disgusting!

[legalmania]

Tom Riccio really is a greedy pig out to make as much money as possible from this. If you were just listening to Loni, he's got a big long list of things he'll do for money. You can pay him $5000 and he'll have dinner with you on the day he testifies in this trial. $2500 for lunch, and $2000 for breakfast. $7500 and he'll run your ad on the side of the limo he takes to and from court on the day he testifies. Such ridiculous. He has these delusions of grandeur and that makes me sick.

Sounds like he got a big head over the years.

[AnnInOhio]

Tom Riccio really is a greedy pig out to make as much money as possible from this. If you were just listening to Loni, he's got a big long list of things he'll do for money. You can pay him $5000 and he'll have dinner with you on the day he testifies in this trial. $2500 for lunch, and $2000 for breakfast. $7500 and he'll run your ad on the side of the limo he takes to and from court on the day he testifies. Such ridiculous. He has these delusions of grandeur and that makes me sick.


Duh! Riccio making money is what this has been about from the start. You get it, I get, only OJ was too dumb to get it!

[AnnInOhio]

TY so much..so havent missed too much..I did hear the Mike Gilbert will be testifying from Beth Karas..so looking foreward to his testimony..He will backing up the hiding of assets by OJ since civil judgement..and will be likely discuss just what "STUFF" (lol) OJ has/had..and how Furmong came to have all this STUFF!!

LMS:seeya:


Frankly, I wonder how many more audiotapes he has that he's not told authorities about yet. He's low enough to keep a "reserve" stash for future income.

[cherylt]

TY...the judge doesn't seem to be one to take much B.S. But, sometimes she seems a little too Palin...if you know what I mean?

You lost me a bit there. Can you explain? I don't watch alot of politics & don't particularly care for Palin from what I did hear. ??

Did you mean like a "bulldog w/ lipstick"? :) nobody stone me, but SP is whacked!

ETA: I love JG - she doesn't take any whining from any attorneys...

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It's pathetic - but there are worse ways of making money. He's not hurting anyone - just charging some idiots money for stupid stuff.

[legalmania]

It's called research and writing briefs.

Wills, simple divorce, small claims, corporations, intellectual property, and yes research and briefs.

[ALL RISE]

We're all told, 'You're not to take the law into your own hands?'

Opening statement, O. J. went to authorities twice and they wouldn't or couldn't do a thing for him.

So right, as it stands, now the scenerio is the theives stealing from the theives? Or is it theft when it is your own property?

Hmmmmmmmm.........

[cherylt]

Oh dear, cross coming up. This will probably take up the rest of the day... What time does court end for the day, pacific or eastern?

[Inscrutable]

This judge is an embarrassment.

[AnnInOhio]

Arthur has been busted for secreting and eating chocolate chip cookies! Look what happens when people are placed in close proximity to O.J. Simpson!

[CourtsideVue]

Oh dear, cross coming up. This will probably take up the rest of the day... What time does court end for the day, pacific or eastern?

Court is scheduled to end at 6 pm pacific ... 9 pm eastern.

[cherylt]

ok - i lost a bit of sound here. What was up w/ the cookie confiscation? :) Will they make the jurors ill?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Frankly, I wonder how many more audiotapes he has that he's not told authorities about yet. He's low enough to keep a "reserve" stash for future income.

You know I recall that this parasite actually made copies of His tapes before he turned them over to the LE..and after he got his deal signed off on..Riccio is a real piece of work..however honest he is about his SLEEZE value!!

You just got to know he will be selling them after this case is finished!! Geesh!!

LMS:punch:

[cherylt]

Court is scheduled to end at 6 pm pacific ... 9 pm eastern.

WOW - that's a LONG day for all! Maybe that will mean this won't go on for 5 months. :eek:

[CourtsideVue]

Clarify that double-negative.
Those areas don't have no cameras. So ... does that mean they do? I hate double-negatives.

[CourtsideVue]

WOW - that's a LONG day for all! Maybe that will mean this won't go on for 5 months. :eek:

You are correct. They are estimating 5 weeks. And if all the testimony is like this ... it will be a very LONG 5 weeks. But won't that put us ready for Spector retrial???

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Who the heck is Arthur???thus to be labeled "Cookie Monster" hence forth...LOL..But whoi is he anyway?

LMS:shrug:

[cherylt]

Hey everybody - there are NO cameras in the hallways @ that hotel, so break on in y'all! Geez, why did he admit that on behalf of his employer!:rolleyes:

[CourtsideVue]

Who the heck is Arthur???thus to be labeled "Cookie Monster" hence forth...LOL..But whoi is he anyway?

LMS:shrug:

He's the deputy in charge of the jury. LOL

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Where's the CNN feed? The one I'm using has gone to Arnie discussing the CA budget.

[cherylt]

You are correct. They are estimating 5 weeks. And if all the testimony is like this ... it will be a very LONG 5 weeks. But won't that put us ready for Spector retrial???

I think PS will start before OJ is over, IIRC. September 22 or 29? I forget which one is slated to start. Hopefully there are no more delays there!

[CourtsideVue]

Where's the CNN feed? The one I'm using has gone to Arnie discussing the CA budget.

This'n is working fine.
http://www.ktla.com/livevideo_channelb

[cherylt]

Where's the CNN feed? The one I'm using has gone to Arnie discussing the CA budget.

My CNN link is fine. You can also try www.ktla.com

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OK, went to KTLA. I was using Google Chrome, and KTLA doesn't like it. So I put it up in it's own IE window.