Tuesday, September 16 - Discussion

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Where's the CNN feed? The one I'm using has gone to Arnie discussing the CA budget.

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1


LMS

[legalmania]

Where's the CNN feed? The one I'm using has gone to Arnie discussing the CA budget.

reclick on OJ trial.

[cherylt]

According to Sprokett's blog, there may not be any TV/live streaming of Spector's 2nd trial.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2008/09/phil-spector-hearing-91508-part-deux.html

NO!....................

I will have to start begging news orgs to broadcast it. For those of us who have followed this from the start, we should be able to see it to a conclusion. Not fair!

[CourtsideVue]

NO!....................

I will have to start begging news orgs to broadcast it. For those of us who have followed this from the start, we should be able to see it to a conclusion. Not fair!

OMG I so totally agree!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

He's the deputy in charge of the jury. LOL

Oh yah...didnt know his first name, Judge has used his surname anytime I heard her address him..you mean the Bailiff who escorts the jury in and out of their room?

LMS:punch:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Has anyone an idea why this guy who sits and watches all those camera's is being asked so many questions??..I dont see the point..call me stupid..just dont get it!!

Did the jury have any questions for Mr. Fromong?

LMS:punch:

[legalmania]

Does anybody know how many witness the prosecutor intends on calling?

[cherylt]

WOW this guy is an electrical engineer, forensic examiner w/ the FBI!!
He looks like he could still be in High School!

Witness name: Jason Abramowitz

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Does anybody know how many witness the prosecutor intends on calling?

Beth did mention about 25 witnesses..and shes wasnt sure about the defense witnesses..

LMS

[legalmania]

omg! spector was one of CTV's biggest trials ever. how could cnn not want to televise it??? omg. i'm gonna cry.

Even bigger than the trial of the century?

[cherylt]

Has anyone an idea why this guy who sits and watches all those camera's is being asked so many questions??..I dont see the point..call me stupid..just dont get it!!

Did the jury have any questions for Mr. Fromong?

LMS:punch:

I don't believe any of us saw a real point there with that witness, except to bring the tapes into evidence?...

I don't know about BM questions from jury but I don't think so - anyone?

[legalmania]

Beth did mention about 25 witnesses..and shes wasnt sure about the defense witnesses..

LMS

That's not to bad. I was thinking more.

[legalmania]

I don't believe any of us saw a real point there with that witness, except to bring the tapes into evidence?...

I don't know about BM questions from jury but I don't think so - anyone?

I think it was something about Mr. Fromong prescriptions and something else that was minor.IMO

[pebblepup]

I don't believe any of us saw a real point there with that witness, except to bring the tapes into evidence?...

I don't know about BM questions from jury but I don't think so - anyone?

I didn't notice the judge asking the jury if they had any questions for Fromong.

[bearwds]

OK, went to KTLA. I was using Google Chrome, and KTLA doesn't like it. So I put it up in it's own IE window.
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Gee, you are sounding like this FBI agent....tech stuff ..lol

This FBI agent doesn't quite conform to my stereotype, such as Efrim Zimbalist. ...uh-ho Just dated myself there.

bearwds

[CourtsideVue]

Oh yah...didnt know his first name, Judge has used his surname anytime I heard her address him..you mean the Bailiff who escorts the jury in and out of their room?

LMS:punch:

Yes'm that's who he is. During jury selection, apparently a group of potential jurors got stuck in an elevator -- for whatever reason the elevator got stuck -- and they were with Arthur. WHen they returned to the courtroom, Judge Glass apologized to the potential jurors for having to be stuck in the elevator -- and especially that they had to be stuck in there, in close quarters with Arthur. It did result in a collective giggle from the courtroom. :D

[bearwds]

I didn't notice the judge asking the jury if they had any questions for Fromong.
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She did.

They didn't




bearwds

[CourtsideVue]

I didn't notice the judge asking the jury if they had any questions for Fromong.

Yes, there were two, I think from the jury for Fromong. The one that sticks out in my mind is that they wanted to know what side effects he suffered when he didn't take his prescribed pain medication.

[CourtsideVue]

That is what I thought. Do you remember what the second one was?

No I can't recall the second one. It may have been that the judge read it to herself and then decided it wasn't a suitable question to be answered. So ... unless someone else here remembers, I don't know.

[pebblepup]

Who in the heck IS this lawyer questioning the witness right now? :D

[Katprint]

Frankly, I wonder how many more audiotapes he has that he's not told authorities about yet. He's low enough to keep a "reserve" stash for future income.
Since law enforcement has subpoenaed his audiotapes, he must know that he will spend some time in the pokey if he didn't turn them all over to law enforcement and the tapes pop up at some future date. I think he is indeed "low enough" to keep a reserve stash if he thought he could get away with it - I think he would probably sell drugs to schoolchildren if he thought he would make a lot of money from it - but at this point he ought to be scared enough of law enforcement not to do that.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[mbmb]

Is that an oxygen mask behind the witness? I need it if it is hammer

[bearwds]

I believe that they did have a question. Something about the effects of the drugs he is prescribed....if he doesn't take them.
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I must have mixed up the witnesses...sorry

This guy is NOT a FBI agent. Only works for them.


bearwds

[CourtsideVue]

Who in the heck IS this lawyer questioning the witness right now? :D

Stewart's THIRD lawyer. I think his name is Bryson.

[CourtsideVue]

Is that an oxygen mask behind the witness? I need it if it is hammer

LOL, no it's a glass water pitcher, if I'm not mistaken.

[pebblepup]

Stewart's THIRD lawyer. I think his name is Bryson.

Oh good Lord....if I were Stewart I'd be shaking in my boots right now. :chicken:

[mbmb]

Stewart's THIRD lawyer. I think his name is Bryson.

Why are they all as slimey as the defendants ? I mean the lawyers?

[cherylt]

I believe that they did have a question. Something about the effects of the drugs he is prescribed....if he doesn't take them.

I wonder what the relevance is of that question re: the case?:shrug:

[cherylt]

Who in the heck IS this lawyer questioning the witness right now? :D

Lucherini - for C. Stewart, I think..

[pebblepup]

Lucherini - for C. Stewart, I think..

He was bad enough, IMO. But this is a different guy....he's even worse! LOL

[mbmb]

LOL, no it's a glass water pitcher, if I'm not mistaken.

Thank you...I still want some air :biggrin:

[cherylt]

Stewart's THIRD lawyer. I think his name is Bryson.

Hmmm, who the 3rd? I know only of Lucherini and Bryson...

[CourtsideVue]

I wonder what the relevance is of that question re: the case?:shrug:

They wanted to know how he would be affected if he skipped a dose of his medication. They were probably trying to determine if he is addicted to the medication or not. If he was addicted, not having his meds would cause symptoms. If he were only using it as prescribed, he wouldn't have problems. And that's the answer he gave. He said he takes his medication as prescribed and doesn't really know what would happen if he went several days without it. Feeling him out as an addict, is all I can glean from that question.

[CourtsideVue]

Hmmm, who the 3rd? I know only of Lucherini and Bryson...

There is another lawyer for Stewart named Jones.

[cherylt]

His meds came into question so I think they were wondering (as I was) what side effect he would have if he didn't take them? He had said that he didn't take the full amount prescribed...I think that day, not sure if he meant that is the way he always takes them.

I was just wondering why they asked it? Do they think he was suffering side effects while the incident that was going on that would possibly distort his perceptions of the alleged crime/robbery?

[cherylt]

There is another lawyer for Stewart named Jones.

Geez, he has more lawyers than OJ? LOL!

Galanter & Grasso for OJ. Wonder how OJ is paying them...(he's broke, remember all?) :rolleyes:

[Details]

Such annoying slow questioning. It's a good enough question - could audio have been placed on the recorder from a computer - although I think the expert is making sure he's giving an accurate answer. But it seems like he's trying to get one expert to pre-disqualify a second expert by disagreeing with a hypothetical answer.

[bearwds]

Pursuing non-relevant areas. Should be stipulated. Smoke/Mirrors.


bearwds

[AnnInOhio]

That is what I thought. Do you remember what the second one was?

They asked who he was on the phone with in the room when the burglary began. He gave a woman's name in response.

[pebblepup]

Watch the expressions of OJ and his lawyers as this guy just goes on and on and on......


He just admitted to asking a "lousy" question. IMO they are all lousy questions. Stewart might just go down due to his lawyers, alone.

[Details]

They want reasonable doubt - lots of leading questions without any concrete details or followup once he gets the desired answer, to make any juror inclined to conspiracy theories have a way to say NG by warping the definition of "reasonable doubt" all out of shape.

[CourtsideVue]

They asked who he was on the phone with in the room when the burglary began. He gave a woman's name in response.

Oh yeah, that's right. And her name was ... iirc ... Kristy Ludemacher (sp?).

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Pursuing non-relevant areas. Should be stipulated. Smoke/Mirrors.


bearwds

I am getting from this lawyer he's insinuating that the LE uploaded the audio recordings after the fact....hummmwonder ??This is claiming poor investigative/planting of evidence..sound familiar??Oj has rubbed off on many people..huh?

LMS

[mbmb]

Pursuing non-relevant areas. Should be stipulated. Smoke/Mirrors.


bearwds

my god, I so agree....yawn icon needed

[CourtsideVue]

i just made a pot of coffee. i need the pickup. who ARE all these lawyers? geez

That sounds perfect Wendy. Think I'll do the same.

[AnnInOhio]

i just made a pot of coffee. i need the pickup. who ARE all these lawyers? geez

I grabbed a glass of wine & some potato chips!

[cherylt]

I am getting from this lawyer he's insinuating that the LE uploaded the audio recordings after the fact....hummmwonder ??This is claiming poor investigative/planting of evidence..sound familiar??Oj has rubbed off on many people..huh?

LMS

He is insulting the integrity of the FBI. Jason is an employee, not an agent, & he doesn't volunteer for Prosecution OR Defense. Pros ask HIM to take the stand. This lawyer is insulting the whole process, and I think the jury may feel a little protective of this witness. IMO

[bearwds]

They want reasonable doubt - lots of leading questions without any concrete details or followup once he gets the desired answer, to make any juror inclined to conspiracy theories have a way to say NG by warping the definition of "reasonable doubt" all out of shape.
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That pretty much sums it up. It's what you get for $450 an hour.


bearwds

[AnnInOhio]

Oh yeah, that's right. And her name was ... iirc ... Kristy Ludemacher (sp?).

Bingo! :beer:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

i couldnt figure out where they were going with all this but by golly lynda..i think you are right!

sounds a little too familiar :rolleyes:

I think all this file deleted stuff was covered was covered by pros direct..where he was able to retreive one file and the othere's had been overwritten on..or something along those lines...who explained how he noted 3 file deleted and he retrieved one only..

Once again..insinuating...smoke and mirrors..police corruption..plant evidence..

Having said all that, I think most people are now familiar with the term "overwritten" deletions..etc..So understandable to most..

LMS;)

[legalmania]

I was just wondering why they asked it? Do they think he was suffering side effects while the incident that was going on that would possibly distort his perceptions of the alleged crime/robbery?

Please cherylt you don't want to go there. We spent two pages on it.

[mbmb]

Please Dear God...Let it be Done....hammer

[cherylt]

Please cherylt you don't want to go there. We spent two pages on it.

Sorry about that - I did come into the trial late today. I'll go back some pages later...

[AnnInOhio]

At this point, I think if I heard from Riccio, the two with the guns and the two defendants (if they want to testify) that wouldprobably be enough for me to form an opinion at this point. The only other person I'd love to hear from would be the person Riccio said OJ introduced him to at the pool as "my attorney" who reportedly told OJ the "sting" was a bad idea. I can't imagine why the rest of this hasn't been stipulated to.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Popcorn time...get comfy..LOL!!

LMShammer

[legalmania]

Sorry about that - I did come into the trial late today. I'll go back some pages later...

I know you are curious but we are all talked out on that one.

[AnnInOhio]

Sorry about that - I did come into the trial late today. I'll go back some pages later...

Let me summarize for you, Cheerylt...nobody knows why they asked for sure. But drugs are bad...don't do drugs...OK? Unless you need them for chronic pain control, ok?

[legalmania]

For being an audio guy I can't hear him.

[cherylt]

[QUOTE=AnnInOhio;12131353]Let me summarize for you, Cheerylt...nobody knows why they asked for sure. But drugs are bad...don't do drugs...OK? Unless you need them for chronic pain control, ok?[/Q


:lol: I get it !

"drugs are baaad" - quote from South Park teacher

[legalmania]

Let me summarize for you, Cheerylt...nobody knows why they asked for sure. But drugs are bad...don't do drugs...OK? Unless you need them for chronic pain control, ok?

That raps it up.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

See ya all tomorrow..and thanx again for catching me up so quickly...

Salute!:seeya:

LMS

[AnnInOhio]

For being an audio guy I can't hear him.

As a mom who paid full price for two kids' college education (and after a second glass of wine) I suspect only this guy's mom really cares about the extent of this guy's education.

[mbmb]

The OJ Trial is the first trial I ever watched, and I'm thinking it will be the last one, too.


hammer

[legalmania]

[QUOTE=AnnInOhio;12131353]Let me summarize for you, Cheerylt...nobody knows why they asked for sure. But drugs are bad...don't do drugs...OK? Unless you need them for chronic pain control, ok?[/Q


:lol: I get it !

"drugs are baaad" - quote from South Park teacher

If your still there we start on page five and don't want to read where we ended.

[CourtsideVue]

i am going to go watch nancy grace to catch up on my caylee news. see yall in the morning! i've really enjoyed our discussion today. its a rarity when people can respectfully disagree on IS boards anymore. thanks everyone!

Nite Wendy, sleep well, darlin'!

[legalmania]

As a mom who paid full price for two kids' college education (and after a second glass of wine) I suspect only this guy's mom really cares about the extent of this guy's education.

He really seems to cross his t's and dot his i's.

[mbmb]

I'm sorry...call me when it's over. Forgive me Nicole and Ron. But, if you are in Heaven...I know you will understand.

:rose:

:rose:

[cherylt]

[QUOTE=cherylt;12131371]

If your still there we start on page five and don't want to read where we ended.

Yep, I'm still here but signing off in a few minutes. I did go back to page 5 and have a good idea of the discussion. I hope it doesn't become too much an issue in the jury room, because that would be unfair to this victim. (ok, "alleged victim")..

Thanks to all for the info & great conversations as well as the camaraderie!
Good night & see ya tomorrow.
Cheryl
:seeya:

[legalmania]

[QUOTE=legalmania;12131425]

Yep, I'm still here but signing off in a few minutes. I did go back to page 5 and have a good idea of the discussion. I hope it doesn't become too much an issue in the jury room, because that would be unfair to this victim. (ok, "alleged victim")..

Thanks to all for the info & great conversations as well as the camaraderie!
Good night & see ya tomorrow.
Cheryl
:seeya:

Have a good one cherylt. Their going anyway.

[legalmania]

I'm sorry...call me when it's over. Forgive me Nicole and Ron. But, if you are in Heaven...I know you will understand.

:rose:

:rose:

Check in every now and then your input is welcomed.

[AnnInOhio]

I'm sorry...call me when it's over. Forgive me Nicole and Ron. But, if you are in Heaven...I know you will understand.

:rose:

:rose:

They don't care, they are in a better place so far beyond caring about OJ Simpson and his petty materialism. This isn't about them, and I think they'll understand if you follow from afar and after the fact.

[bearwds]

G'night folks. Good conversations today.

bearwds

[AnnInOhio]

In the words of Scarlett O'Hara, "Tomorrow's another day."

Good night, all!

[Details]

It's not about Ron and Nicole. Has nothing to do with them. OJ is a thug, accustomed to using threats and violence when he doesn't get his way - someone had stuff he considered his, his solution was to get guys with guns. That's all this is. His nature showed up for Nicole and Ron too - but that's the only link here - same person, same personality flaws lead to their deaths as lead to him thinking he can commit armed robbery and get away with it.

That's what I see. While I'd find it gratifying to see OJ finally in jail on this, it's not a reason he should be convicted, nor is it an element in this case. Nor does it need to be - there's a mountain of evidence against him, and it's solid.

[AnnInOhio]

Yeah, too bad none of his former teammates ever made public statements about his locker room behavior as they did in private.

Why the teaser? What was said in the lock locker rooms in private that is now semi-public? Do tell.

[Kara]

The OJ Trial is the first trial I ever watched, and I'm thinking it will be the last one, too.


hammerTrial watching ain't everybody's cup o' tea.... I happen to love it and can't believe that I can't find more time to post while watching!!!!

[psbperu]

Thanks to all for the links & updates.

Ut oh...I see the word "boring" has been used. Will be able to tune in tomorrow & hope I won't be zzzzzing.

:D

[Lyndawitha"Y]

It's not about Ron and Nicole. Has nothing to do with them. OJ is a thug, accustomed to using threats and violence when he doesn't get his way - someone had stuff he considered his, his solution was to get guys with guns. That's all this is. His nature showed up for Nicole and Ron too - but that's the only link here - same person, same personality flaws lead to their deaths as lead to him thinking he can commit armed robbery and get away with it.

That's what I see. While I'd find it gratifying to see OJ finally in jail on this, it's not a reason he should be convicted, nor is it an element in this case. Nor does it need to be - there's a mountain of evidence against him, and it's solid.

The only problem with your theory in that it has nothing to do with Nicole and Ron Goldman is that everything he has done since that "Civil Judgement" is to keep anything and everything of value out of the reach of that judgement...so in a sense its because of his motive NOT TO PAY HIS DUES ..he has hidden, lied, used others to HIDE any and all assets..and yes even his lawyers have assisted him doing just that!

I think if Mike Gilbert gives his testimony...it will become clear the path or journey OJ has fllowed since that judgement against him and why he (OJ) surrounds himself with manipulative sorts..enablers and lowlives alike have maintained OJ's mask of smiles, waves and friendliness..Public persona..thats all it is..certainly not a man who fulfills his obligations..but uses..abused his abilities to snow the masses..(so he thinks)..and cry "Race Card" or "conspiracy" or vendettas...PLEEEZE give me a break..!!hammer

I so wish all this fact gets exposed for what is is..not spinned by OJ and his attny's for anythings else..This event did not take a life...but it was THOSE MURDERS back then that has led to his behaviors ever since that event..

I hope they can nail him with this crime..nothing more and nothing less..He conspired with Riccio to get stuff back that he knew Gilbert had and had unloaded..who had obtained it because he had hid it via him for over a decade...and vengence was his to get it back.and to use others to do that and keep it from getting into the "Goldman's Clutches"..using guns will end up to be the aggravator that puts him into prison..and because he laid with those dogs..he got the "FLEAS"!!

LMS:cuss:

[Alibar]

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When Yale Galanter was being interviewed last week on one of the IS shows, he said he called Grasso in Nevada, asking him if he wanted to be famous... From the judge's response to Grasso's questions today, his fame may not be the type he wants. :)

This is just a mild-mannered comment, so, no need to jump all over me for posting my opinion.
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:hat:

[rulovlaw]

It's not about Ron and Nicole. Has nothing to do with them. OJ is a thug, accustomed to using threats and violence when he doesn't get his way - someone had stuff he considered his, his solution was to get guys with guns. That's all this is. His nature showed up for Nicole and Ron too - but that's the only link here - same person, same personality flaws lead to their deaths as lead to him thinking he can commit armed robbery and get away with it.

That's what I see. While I'd find it gratifying to see OJ finally in jail on this, it's not a reason he should be convicted, nor is it an element in this case. Nor does it need to be - there's a mountain of evidence against him, and it's solid.

Im a little curious how you know this since its only day (2) ?
Also...His being a thug is cleary a matter of opinion..
Do you know OJ ? Did he bully you, or pull your pigtails?
Being loud does not make a person a Bully.
Its clear that you have decided his guilt before the defense even presents their case (or the prosecution for that matter)
Cant you atleast pretend to be objective ????????

What happened *****15***** years ago has NOTHING to do with this case. Nor should it.:no:
The Items OJ claims he was retrieving was Never awarded to Fred Goldman so it does not belong to him.(Not everything is awardable in a judgement)
And so It most probably WAS OJ's even the alleged Victim said it Was OJ's.
He is so OVERCHARGED Its rediculous.
How do you kidnap people in their own room, never touch them, yell at them, say your taking your stuff and leave within 5 minutes??
How is that kidnapping ????:shrug:
Silly... Just Silly...


As for those Ive seen who talk about wanting to serve on a jury.

If a person cant put aside their own personal bias, they have no business as jurors.. pro or con.
Trials are not about *Payback* They are about doing whats right under the law.
Ask yourself, Would I convict my best friend with this evidence?
Would I see it all the same? Would I be as outraged?
Would I convict equally someone I hate, and someone I like.

EVERYBODY deserves a fair trial... Even OJ Simpson.
Being a Juror is a Duty, and a Privilege, and requires considerable thought and respect for the responsibilty it brings.
Its Hard... Its supposed to be hard.

[legalmania]

Im a little curious how you know this since its only day (2) ?
Also...His being a thug is cleary a matter of opinion..
Do you know OJ ? Did he bully you, or pull your pigtails?
Being loud does not make a person a Bully.
Its clear that you have decided his guilt before the defense even presents their case (or the prosecution for that matter)
Cant you atleast pretend to be objective ????????

What happened *****15***** years ago has NOTHING to do with this case. Nor should it.:no:
The Items OJ claims he was retrieving was Never awarded to Fred Goldman so it does not belong to him.(Not everything is awardable in a judgement)
And so It most probably WAS OJ's even the alleged Victim said it Was OJ's.
He is so OVERCHARGED Its rediculous.
How do you kidnap people in their own room, never touch them, yell at them, say your taking your stuff and leave within 5 minutes??
How is that kidnapping ????:shrug:
Silly... Just Silly...


As for those Ive seen who talk about wanting to serve on a jury.

If a person cant put aside their own personal bias, they have no business as jurors.. pro or con.
Trials are not about *Payback* They are about doing whats right under the law.
Ask yourself, Would I convict my best friend with this evidence?
Would I see it all the same? Would I be as outraged?
Would I convict equally someone I hate, and someone I like.

EVERYBODY deserves a fair trial... Even OJ Simpson.
Being a Juror is a Duty, and a Privilege, and requires considerable thought and respect for the responsibilty it brings.
Its Hard... Its supposed to be hard.

Well said rulovlaw however I went through this yesterday with the same people and they have their minds made up. We can only hope that the jury is as they say open minded. Nobody should have their mind made up at this point. They don't get it. If you get a chance come on in the day I would love your opinion.

[Details]

Im a little curious how you know this since its only day (2) ?
Also...His being a thug is cleary a matter of opinion..
Do you know OJ ? Did he bully you, or pull your pigtails?
Being loud does not make a person a Bully.
Its clear that you have decided his guilt before the defense even presents their case (or the prosecution for that matter)
Cant you atleast pretend to be objective ????????It's easy enough to follow the case in the media, listen to the tapes - this is not at all day 2 - we've had a long time, plenty of reliable information is out there. I've heard more than enough, on tapes, in OJ's own voice, to show he is guilty - should I ignore what he himself said? Pretend it doesn't exist until it is presented in court? I'm not a juror, so I don't have that requirement. And a thug - as someone responsible for killing Nicole and Ron, someone who has shown a long time pattern of using violence to solve his problems. I said not a word about him being loud - in fact, I'm not aware that he is loud in general - I'd have characterized him as on the quieter side.What happened *****15***** years ago has NOTHING to do with this case. Nor should it.:no:
The Items OJ claims he was retrieving was Never awarded to Fred Goldman so it does not belong to him.(Not everything is awardable in a judgement)
And so It most probably WAS OJ's even the alleged Victim said it Was OJ's.
He is so OVERCHARGED Its rediculous.
How do you kidnap people in their own room, never touch them, yell at them, say your taking your stuff and leave within 5 minutes??
How is that kidnapping ????:shrug:
Silly... Just Silly...Yep, it's kidnapping, and OJ is far from the first to be charged for it. If you restrain a person in any place, by force or threat of force, it's kidnapping. As for those Ive seen who talk about wanting to serve on a jury.

If a person cant put aside their own personal bias, they have no business as jurors.. pro or con.
Trials are not about *Payback* They are about doing whats right under the law.
Ask yourself, Would I convict my best friend with this evidence?
Would I see it all the same? Would I be as outraged?
Would I convict equally someone I hate, and someone I like.

EVERYBODY deserves a fair trial... Even OJ Simpson.
Being a Juror is a Duty, and a Privilege, and requires considerable thought and respect for the responsibilty it brings.
Its Hard... Its supposed to be hard.I'd convict my best friend, my mom, my brother, or my child with this evidence. It's OJ's own voice, OJ on videotape, and his statements after as well. He deserves a fair trial before criminal penalties are applied, and he's getting one. But the evidence is clear, and unless the jurors are biased in OJ's favor, I see only one possible verdict. There is no acceptable reason for going into someone's room with guns and taking stuff - even were it his - which it is not - when you abandon stuff in a storage and don't pay the bill, you forfiet it.

[Details]

Well said rulovlaw however I went through this yesterday with the same people and they have their minds made up. We can only hope that the jury is as they say open minded. Nobody should have their mind made up at this point. They don't get it. If you get a chance come on in the day I would love your opinion.No JUROR should have their mind made up about their verdict at this point. J U R O R

We are not the jury. And even a juror could think he is guilty - so long as they will base their verdict on the rules of the court. But we are not the jury. You don't seem to get that. We have no need to pretend we don't know the evidence yet to come that has already been played out, we do not need to pretend we do not know what OJ said.

You don't get it. We're the public. We're allowed to have opinions. There are even Constitutional amendments all about how we are allowed to have and even, yes indeed, express those opinions freely! You may have your own opinion, and form your opinion on the facts you desire to recognize - but your chosen limits are not a requirement for the rest of us.

[callmetree]

The only problem with your theory in that it has nothing to do with Nicole and Ron Goldman is that everything he has done since that "Civil Judgement" is to keep anything and everything of value out of the reach of that judgement...so in a sense its because of his motive NOT TO PAY HIS DUES ..he has hidden, lied, used others to HIDE any and all assets..and yes even his lawyers have assisted him doing just that!

I think if Mike Gilbert gives his testimony...it will become clear the path or journey OJ has fllowed since that judgement against him and why he (OJ) surrounds himself with manipulative sorts..enablers and lowlives alike have maintained OJ's mask of smiles, waves and friendliness..Public persona..thats all it is..certainly not a man who fulfills his obligations..but uses..abused his abilities to snow the masses..(so he thinks)..and cry "Race Card" or "conspiracy" or vendettas...PLEEEZE give me a break..!!hammer

I so wish all this fact gets exposed for what is is..not spinned by OJ and his attny's for anythings else..This event did not take a life...but it was THOSE MURDERS back then that has led to his behaviors ever since that event..

I hope they can nail him with this crime..nothing more and nothing less..He conspired with Riccio to get stuff back that he knew Gilbert had and had unloaded..who had obtained it because he had hid it via him for over a decade...and vengence was his to get it back.and to use others to do that and keep it from getting into the "Goldman's Clutches"..using guns will end up to be the aggravator that puts him into prison..and because he laid with those dogs..he got the "FLEAS"!!

LMS:cuss:

:seeya:IMO A GREAT POST!! I PERSONALLY WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THIS MAN HAVE TO PAY HIS DUES FOR ALL THE HAVOC HE HAS CREATED IN HIS LIFE. I WONDER DOES HE EVER THINK ABOUT THE PATH HE HAS CONTINUED TO GO DOWN IN THE LAST THIRTEEN YEARS? SILLY QUESTION I KNOW. I'N MY MIND HE PROBABLY THINKS HE IS STILL AND ALWAYS WILL BE ABOVE THE LAW. THANKS LINDA FOR THE POST!

[callmetree]

THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD MAY BE THE ON GOING TRIAL. I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT... I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ALL THIS MAN HAS DONE OVER THE YEARS. IMO HE SHOULD HAVE USED WHAT LITTLE SENSE HE APPEARS TO HAVE AND TRIED TO STRAIGHTEN HIS LIFE UP FOR NOT ONLY HIMSELF BUT HIS CHILDREN. I'M JUST THANKFUL FOR THE JUDGE HE HAS IN THIS TRIAL. I ALSO THINK IT'S GREAT THE JURORS GET TO ASK QUESTIONS DURING THE TRIAL. I'M SURE I WILL GET:punch:OVER THE JUDGE REMARK BUT SHE SEEMS TO BE TOUGH. SO UNLIKE MR. SIDEBAR. THIS IS MY OPINION AND IF IT OFFENDS ANYBODY, THAT WAS NOT MY INTENTION. I WILL HAVE TO SAY I WAS TRYING TO BE barf KIND WHEN I SAID HE APPEARS TO HAVE A LITTLE SENSE. IT SURE HAS PROVEN NOT TO BE COMMON SENSE!