Tues, 9/18 AM

[Joan Weiss]

High profile dense attorney:DROTFLMAO! :biggrin:

[Lorakai]

Hello all,.. how are we today? I need your help trying to figure something out here,... I'm creating a time line, which I have to say, has been tedious with all the information coming from the interviews and other various sources. My question is:

Regarding the trip that Amy, JP, and Ricardo and (4th person) went on, What date did they leave for the trip? According to what I am finding, Ricardo says he went on vacation July 2nd, but Amy says she was with Casey here on July 4th,..

Maybe I'm just going bonkers and am on information overload... can anyone clarify this?

Thanks :)

[crymeariver2006]

I apologize if this was already asked and answered. I'm trying to speed read whenever I have time at work.

Regarding ID. Is it possible Casey had an ID made up with Amy's information. In other words, Casey's photo on the ID but Amy's address and personal details and that's how she was able to get away with cashing cheques from Amy's account?

If she did, it would be interesting to know how she got a FAKE ID?

I think Casey had lots of fake ID's. For one, I don't think she started visiting nightclubs nor buying alcohol as soon as she turned 21.

She *may* have had an ID in Amy's name though. Didn't Cindy *supposedly* find Amy's resume in the car, or some type of application and got Amy's phone number off of that?

All JMO

[day2day]

Keep listening, he says he has family members in Iraq and "them people" blah blah blah...."them people"? He's about as intelligent as Casey with her "I seen".

Oh, and he says "it's not evidence until I've had a chance to see it and have my experts look at it". "If the police are so sure of their evidence, why are they hiding it from me? Why are they afraid to have an independent expert look at it"? Oh my Lord, that's why I wanted to know if we were sure this guy had finished law school. He's making out like they don't have a case since they won't share their evidence. Even the reporters aren't biting though, they seem to know that first she has to be charged and then he's entitled to see the evidence. :D

Reporter asks him since the neighborhood is so dangerous, isn't Casey safer in jail. He refuses to answer, says "I've got to go get my client out of jail".

:D

And i can see Casey strutting back n forth in her new castle -sayin..

"oh great now its all about f-bomb Baez..*** :lol:"


Sighs...tell us where Caylee is!!

[Joan Weiss]

When this goes to trial the state is going to chew this cheshire cat and his community cow up and spit them out. MOO.{nodding head here...}

[Regina.Lampert]

My thoughts also. Who is exactly wasting time and taxpayers money. I live in Orange County, Florida. I am not angry at LE, I am angry at Casey, she is the one that is not being open and honest!!

As if casey anthony hasn't done enough to make her the most hated mother in America, she gets herself an attorney who manages to add to everyone's outrage.

[need2no]

High profile dense attorney:D


:biggrin: LOVE IT!

[barskin&co.]

Grain of salt required here. Do you remember his anti-government rant on a previous Casey jail release? He's insinuating. imo

Grain of salt: He is talking as a criminal defense attorney.

The defendant wants to hide the truth because he's generally guilty. The defense attorney's job is to make sure the jury does not arrive at that truth.-
Alan Dershowitz
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alandersho111781.html

[Boxer]

Me too...wonder if Amy had other Id's besides her driver's license. Surely she would have taken her driver's license to PR.


I have two copies of my DL. One in my work bag and the other in my purse.

also, wasn't there a resume of Amy's in Casey's car? would it have all of Amy's pertinent info?

[keybored]

I have come to the conclusion that this isn't about Caylee anymore with George and Cindy. Its now all about Casey. How sad. JMO


This hasn't been about Caylee for a long time. :(

[penguinlady]

Thats what I was saying many pages back. Does Casey look THAT MUCH like Amy? They really scrutinize when you write a check in my area, unless or until you become such a regular that cashiers know you are who they say you are.

I don't know why a cashier would take caseys ID for a check of Amys.
This part baffles me. And if they were starter checks (low number checks) I [I]really[I] don't get it. You can request that your checks start with a high number- like 500's or 600's even, I have done that before.


That cashier probably ended up getting fired. Seems to happen when people come into contact with Casey.

[AMS]

Jose Baez briefs media after client's court appearance

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7442763&version=1&locale=EN-US



I expected him to end his speech saying "Live from New York it's Saturday Night...."

That's how much credence I give to him.

And, the person who is wasting the taxpayer's money is his client.

MOO

[Snoopy50]

Thanks. So, any of those would have sufficed. I wonder if Amy's resume being in Casey's car had anything to do with any of the above...imo
It is very hard for me to understand how anyone could violate a friendship in this way? Stealing money, checks, resumes and Lord knows what else from someone Casey viewed as a friend. That girl is capable of anything, and personally, those crazy parents should be afraid of having her in the home. I would love to see her juvie files.:shrug:

[desmom]

The real waste of taxpayer money is the fact that LE has to run to her house 15 times to protect her. Who is protecting little Caylee :(

jmo

:beer:

And the hundreds of manpower hours looking for Caylee.

His statement about LE having evidence of murder charges do not mess around with check fraud charges? What the heck? Because she may be involved in murder, LE should tell Casey's other victims "sorry, your theft is not important".

Now who is trying their case in the media?

jmo

[summer4meplz]

Those pics (yes there's more) are also on a blogsite that was posted here earlier.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/


I've gone 3 times and I can't find the pics...what do I look for...thanks in advance

[need2no]

I have two copies of my DL. One in my work bag and the other in my purse.

also, wasn't there a resume of Amy's in Casey's car? would it have all of Amy's pertinent info?

Just curious....how did you manage to wind up with 2 DL's?

[forensicnut]

The date on this thread is 9/18. Today is only the 16th. I thought I was late on my own Bank of American payment, when I saw the date! Eeek! Someone has to fix that for all of us that haven't had our morning coffee yet. :beer:

[margaritaville]

Someone Please Please call into Nancy Grace tonight and ask her to ask the panel. WHY Beaz nor Nejame have asked or pleaded for tips or the safe return of Caylee. NOT ONCE.

I'm sending emails off to both of them to ask them why they haven't IF that is their main goal as they claim an claim to be speaking on their clients behalf.
BOTH of them.

:cuss:

They ALL know what Casey did that's why. IMO


Great question!

I would love to ask them why the family is not and never has searched for Caylee...Not once! GA drove his sign around...CA went on talk shows.......That was it... We are all suppose to be looking for her according to CA we should get off our AZZ'S and find Caylee, but they never, ever even look!! So sad!!
It breaks my heart to think not one of them care enough to look for her......... for caylee:rose:

[Boxer]

Just curious....how did you manage to wind up with 2 DL's?


no comment:D

[spageddy]

I keep trying to call NG but can never get through. :shrug:

I will send an e-mail also.

By the way, it is a great question!

I always wonder if any of NG's callers are folks from this board. Most of them don't sound as well informed as the posters here- but once in a while a good question (Like this one) comes up, and I wonder.

[barskin&co.]

I just checked, PR doesn't require the use of a passport from the US. Amy may or may not have a passport.

Well, ya! Why would PR require a passport??

[kakax]

Thanks. So, any of those would have sufficed. I wonder if Amy's resume being in Casey's car had anything to do with any of the above...imo



:eek: could be!!

[need2no]

I've gone 3 times and I can't find the pics...what do I look for...thanks in advance


At the end of the first article it says PHOTO 1, PHOTO 2, and so on.

Just click on each one to view.

[jammies]

You are so right!



But I sooo didn't want to be. :(

[Joan Weiss]

two counts of fraudulent use of personal identification

http://elfninosmom.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/080903-arrest-affidavit-re-checks.pdf

:shrug:Thanks, Rebel. I guess the problem is we don't know exactly what Casey had. imo

[barskin&co.]

I always wonder if any of NG's callers are folks from this board. Most of them don't sound as well informed as is posters- but once in a while a good question (Like this one) comes up, and I wonder.


And, if it's a good question, it must be one of us! :D

[crymeariver2006]

As if casey anthony hasn't done enough to make her the most hated mother in America, she gets herself an attorney who mananges to add to everyone's outrage.

I never thought I'd see that in my lifetime.

:shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

Well, ya! Why would PR require a passport??So maybe Casey had Amy's passport? Amy worked on a ship for 6 months...

[bballgrl]

no comment:D


oooohhhhh, are you a spook? LOL :eek:

[need2no]

no comment:D



OK, that's what I figured...but just wondered if there was another explanation. :D

[crymeariver2006]

And, if it's a good question, it must be one of us! :D


But of course! :D

[deep*fear]

Yeah, and I still want to know all about that, I think this woman is involved to be honest, didn't the cops go see her under the guise she had been there in May or April or something because they didn't read the card right, and then when the media discovered she was at Sawgrass around the time Caylee disappeared did she ever correct the cops, because they went right over to Sawgrass to look at something after the media broke that. I am just really baffled by Casey know Zenaida was there.

The 4 looked like a 6 or vice versa. Cindy (not Casey) reported Caylee missing in July (a month after she went missing) - so when the police went to Zenaida and asked, she truthfully said "I was there to look at an apartment weeks/months ago".

IMO, Casey went to that apartment building for whatever reason and saw that name and used it. Maybe because she loved the Zanny the Nanny book or that it a cute ironic name for the Xanax she used to keep Caylee sleeping so she could party.

IMO

[101Spots]

I've gone 3 times and I can't find the pics...what do I look for...thanks in advance

The photos are linked at the bottom of the article about Casey.

[day2day]

:beer:

And the hundreds of manpower hours looking for Caylee.

His statement about LE having evidence of murder charges do not mess around with check fraud charges? What the heck? Because she may be involved in murder, LE should tell Casey's other victims "sorry, your theft is not important".

Now who is trying their case in the media?

jmo


IMO this is like a chess game. JB has made his little move, now it is LE's turn. I have faith in LE...and pretty soon it will be checkmate for them. His office sure will be lonely without her..JMO

And yep..thats what he is saying..."don't charge her with ANYTHING unless its murder"...

LE -it is now your turn!!


jmo

[Rebel Rouzer]

I keep trying to call NG but can never get through. :shrug:

I will send an e-mail also.

By the way, it is a great question!


I think everyone should email them and ask them that question. It's obvious why they haven't IMO.
They don't want to be bothered with what they KNOW will be false tips and leads. They already know what happened they just need to mount a good defense now. IMO They'll lose. There is no good defense for what Casey has done. IMO

[margaritaville]

The 4 looked like a 6 or vice versa. Cindy (not Casey) reported Caylee missing in July (a month after she went missing) - so when the police went to Zenaida and asked, she truthfully said "I was there to look at an apartment weeks/months ago".

IMO, Casey went to that apartment building for whatever reason and saw that name and used it. Maybe because she loved the Zanny the Nanny book or that it a cute ironic name for the Xanax she used to keep Caylee sleeping so she could party.

IMO

Did Casey ever look at that apartment for her and Caylee?

[Snoopy50]

Great question!

I would love to ask them why the family is not and never has searched for Caylee...Not once! GA drove his sign around...CA went on talk shows.......That was it... We are all suppose to be looking for her according to CA we should get off our AZZ'S and find Caylee, but they never, ever even look!! So sad!!
It breaks my heart to think not one of them care enough to look for her......... for caylee:rose:
Why bother to look if you know exactly where she is?:(

[Joan Weiss]

I never thought I'd see that in my lifetime.

:shrug:cry, are you forgetting about Scott P. and Geragos? :confused:

What I don't get is that if Baez has been an attorney for only 3 years; where is the media getting that phrase "High profile attorney?"

Is it this case that makes it so? They used that term from the get-go.
imo

[marinewife5]

I never thought I'd see that in my lifetime.

:shrug:

he sounds like the little boy that wants to see what the other little boys have in the shoe box. he's sure it's something good, but they just don't think he's cool enough for their little club. he is a skilled orator in that he can tell you just how victimized casey is in one sentence and then turn it around and portray her as strong and tough. jeez...which is it? i'm betting neither. jmo

[barskin&co.]

I've gone 3 times and I can't find the pics...what do I look for...thanks in advance


Scroll down to the end of the "Guest Entry by ritanita."

[Amy]

Long ago, when I first got the checks on my account, they gave me a blank book of checks with just the account #. I had to write on the rest if I wanted to use them. Do they still do that? If so, that would explain how she could use her own license. If that's the case, I'm surprised Target would accept them being so low in #, but our Target does a thing with my check where when they runit it works like a debit and would be refused if there weren't funds in the account. maybe that explains it? I'm sure Casey could talk her way around many people and get them to give her the benefit of the doubt. There are many sweet and naive souls in this world.
JMO.


When I got my first checks, they didn't even have the account # on them, all was blank and I filled out the information. There were maybe 5-10 of those, as it didn't take long to get the real checks in.

For any account I have ever opened, they ask what number you would like the checks to start @. 501 is what most people ask for, or even 1001---cuz any checks under 500 were scrutinized very carefully. I guess maybe retailers were suspicious of "new" accounts?

[day2day]

Why bother to look if you know exactly where she is?:(

Exactly. Why waste the gas cards. jmo of course :(

[Joan Weiss]

Did Casey ever look at that apartment for her and Caylee?She went apt. shopping with/for Tony. :eek:

[spageddy]

And, if it's a good question, it must be one of us! :D

Exactly!
I just wish if a fellow poster called in, they would say; Hi Nancy, I love your show, I never miss it, I talk about it on IS, the twins are so cute, and here's my well-informed question..:biggrin:

[margaritaville]

Why bother to look if you know exactly where she is?:(


Your right!!

[barskin&co.]

I expected him to end his speech saying "Live from New York it's Saturday Night...."

That's how much credence I give to him.

And, the person who is wasting the taxpayer's money is his client.

MOO

Perfect!! :lol:

[desmom]

Question: Baez keeps saying in his video this morning (paraphrasing) "they are not turning over evidence about (insert anything re decomp, DNA....)".

Doesn't she have to be charged and it is given to him during discovery or whatever they call it? TIA

[deep*fear]

Did Casey ever look at that apartment for her and Caylee?

Sawgrass is across from one of her bf or ex-bf (sorry, I can't keep track) -- so, yeah possible the same day Zenaida was there??

[Joan Weiss]

And, if it's a good question, it must be one of us! :DWell dang, I'm still waiting for someone to ask about the flies and chloroform. :shrug:

[WinnieLeigh7]

She went apt. shopping with/for Tony. :eek:

She did??

Did they look at SawGrass?

[Snoopy50]

Question: Baez keeps saying in his video this morning (paraphrasing) "they are not turning over evidence about (insert anything re decomp, DNA....)".

Doesn't she have to be charged and it is given to him during discovery or whatever they call it? TIA

Yes, I do believe that is how it works. funny he doesn':rolleyes:t get that.

[barskin&co.]

And we know she was looking for apartments for Tony, so it would have made sense she was looking at apartments, but the police said she was no where on camera around the Sawgrass around the time she said she dropped Caylee off, so to me it's all weird. moo


We do? I don't think so. He had an apartment, and he was finishing school soon and leaving the area, perhaps.

[Joan Weiss]

Sawgrass is across from one of her bf or ex-bf (sorry, I can't keep track) -- so, yeah possible the same day Zenaida was there??Ricardo. She could probably see whoever entered the building from there. There's probably a very simple explanation, Casey's just not that clever. imo

[nc1948]

no comment:D

In NC, simple, just go to DMV and ffor $20.00 get another one.

[kakax]

And we know she was looking for apartments for Tony, so it would have made sense she was looking at apartments, but the police said she was no where on camera around the Sawgrass around the time she said she dropped Caylee off, so to me it's all weird. moo


I wondered if the story about the video cameras at Sawgrass was a fib. The detective said they had to keep them for a couple of days....it had already been 31 days.

I was a regional manager for a REIT in Florida that managed apartments in Miami, Orlando, Jacksonville, and Tampa...we didn't have cameras anywhere. (these were high end apartments) It has been a few years since I was in the business, so things could have changed.

[Pruddennce]

I have two copies of my DL. One in my work bag and the other in my purse.

also, wasn't there a resume of Amy's in Casey's car? would it have all of Amy's pertinent info?

according to Cindy "a piece of paper with Amy's telephone # on it'......I dont recall LE identifying and listing each piece of paper retrieved from Casey's car..(they described the papers as 'various' IIRC).

Casey could have lifted all of Amy's personal information simply by being in her apartment. additional ID's, etc.

sticky fingers Casey wouldnt hesitate to take what she 'needed'.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[FeelinFroggy617]

Well dang, I'm still waiting for someone to ask about the flies and chloroform. :shrug:


I just read the document with the charges regarding the checks.... I find it ironic how it states that Amy was having a conversation with Cindy Anthony and learned from HER what a liar and thief Casey is!! Boy, has Cindy ever changed her tune!!

[shelbar53]

I've gone 3 times and I can't find the pics...what do I look for...thanks in advance

the last paragraph of the article, click on each phto 1, photo 2 , photo 3 etc

[deep*fear]

And we know she was looking for apartments for Tony, so it would have made sense she was looking at apartments, but the police said she was no where on camera around the Sawgrass around the time she said she dropped Caylee off, so to me it's all weird. moo

Maybe they lied to Casey to get her to talk. Maybe Casey was there hours after she reported she was, but without Caylee. Maybe the reception/office area is not the same place where Casey says she dropped Caylee off.

Not that it matters, Casey changed her story -- Caylee was dropped off at Blanchard Park... bet there arent' security cameras there!

[Joan Weiss]

We do? I don't think so. He had an apartment, and he was finishing school soon and leaving the area, perhaps.Bar, it's in the docus. Tony's lease was up for renewal. imo

[happy2bme]

according to Cindy "a piece of paper with Amy's telephone # on it'......I dont recall LE identifying and listing each piece of paper retrieved from Casey's car..(they described the papers as 'various' IIRC).

Casey could have lifted all of Amy's personal information simply by being in her apartment. additional ID's, etc.

sticky fingers Casey wouldnt hesitate to take what she 'needed'.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

I thought it was a resume:shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

http://www.imr.gov.my/org/ento_d.htm

I read this and got the impression that chloroform kills flies, since it states it a few times, lol.Were the maggots dead? :confused:

[Boxer]

according to Cindy "a piece of paper with Amy's telephone # on it'......I dont recall LE identifying and listing each piece of paper retrieved from Casey's car..(they described the papers as 'various' IIRC).

Casey could have lifted all of Amy's personal information simply by being in her apartment. additional ID's, etc.

sticky fingers Casey wouldnt hesitate to take what she 'needed'.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


lol, this is probably the best explanation for having the info. thanks!

[MyrDawn]

Ricardo. She could probably see whoever entered the building from there. There's probably a very simple explanation, Casey's just not that clever. imo

Maybe Casey knew about the guest cards, saw ZG go in, and went and peeked after she left and saw ZG's name. At the apartment complex I managed, they signed a guest book which was left opened on a table in the office lobby. Anyone coming in could see who'd been there.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Question: Baez keeps saying in his video this morning (paraphrasing) "they are not turning over evidence about (insert anything re decomp, DNA....)".

Doesn't she have to be charged and it is given to him during discovery or whatever they call it? TIA

He is wanting LE to give up all their cards for the charges he knows they are going to charge her with in the future. MURDER. They do not have to give him that information until she is charged and they are required to turn over all discovery prior to preliminary hearing or trial. IMO He knows they have more to come to a probable cause for murder and doesn't want to be caught off gurard so to speak so he can mount a defense. When the time comes and they are required to turn over ALL they have for the charges that are filed. They will. IMO

[desmom]

Hello all,.. how are we today? I need your help trying to figure something out here,... I'm creating a time line, which I have to say, has been tedious with all the information coming from the interviews and other various sources. My question is:

Regarding the trip that Amy, JP, and Ricardo and (4th person) went on, What date did they leave for the trip? According to what I am finding, Ricardo says he went on vacation July 2nd, but Amy says she was with Casey here on July 4th,..

Maybe I'm just going bonkers and am on information overload... can anyone clarify this?

Thanks :)

They did not all go to PR at the same time. I think Amy left July 8 and returned on July 15. jmo

[jill collins]

As if casey anthony hasn't done enough to make her the most hated mother in America, she gets herself an attorney who manages to add to everyone's outrage.

Not only that but he thinks there is no water in Arizona!!! "If you believe that I'll sell you some waterfront property in Arizona". <Would that be riverfront or lakefront property HO-SEEEEEEEE?> :cuss:

[tiny paw-prints]

Hello all,.. how are we today? I need your help trying to figure something out here,... I'm creating a time line, which I have to say, has been tedious with all the information coming from the interviews and other various sources. My question is:

Regarding the trip that Amy, JP, and Ricardo and (4th person) went on, What date did they leave for the trip? According to what I am finding, Ricardo says he went on vacation July 2nd, but Amy says she was with Casey here on July 4th,..

Maybe I'm just going bonkers and am on information overload... can anyone clarify this?

Thanks :)

I think the "boys" went to PR a few days ahead of Amy and they all returned together, seperate flights, on about the same day 7/15.

IIRC, Casey spent the night with Amy near 7/2-7/5. Amy left to PR on 7/8 and returned to FL on 7/15. Casey picked up Amy at the airport on 7/15, Amy dropped off Casey at Tony's apartment and then Amy returned to the airport (same day) to pick up the guys/boys.

I believe the above info can be found in Amy's statement. Amy refers to the 3 guys (roomies) as "the boys".

[Boxer]

the tatoo guy said that Casey told him she was looking and that Tony's lease was up. But nobody believes casey now, do they?

[barskin&co.]

Bar, it's in the docus. Tony's lease was up for renewal. imo

Okay, sorry. But, I thought he was leaving the area after school was over. Oh, well, Casey might have been looking and found ZF-G's name, although, looking for an apartment for a new boyfriend directly across the street from the apartment of her old boyfriend is strange, doncha think? (Yes, I know, we are talking about Casey.)

[happy2bme]

Does anyone know how much time CA will serve or get with the current charges?

[AustinsMama]

Can someone with legal experience answer my questions please?

1. Does Baez have a chance at getting charges reduced or thrown out due to how "he" thinks CA constitutional rights have been violated?

2. If/ when they charge her with Murder- can they use the other cases as part of their defense (ie how they claim LE created a media circus, etc)?

3. With Baez request for Discovery motion - can they grant him that even if they haven't charged her with Murder? I'm assuming this is in regards to the DNA that was tested.

Thank you so much.

[Joan Weiss]

She did??

Did they look at SawGrass?I don't know. There was another place noted, but Casey never responded to the response from the rental person. She instead invited him to Fusion.

His affidavit is in the docus. I don't recall who it was. imo

[rosejustrose]

Thanks. So, any of those would have sufficed. I wonder if Amy's resume being in Casey's car had anything to do with any of the above...imo

Good afternoon, Joan. How long had Amy known Casey and how did they meet? It's probably been posted and I probably read it but can't remember. I'm just wondering why she would entrust anything to Casey since Casey's such a pathological liar and thief. TIA

JMO.

[need2no]

Exactly!
I just wish if a fellow poster called in, they would say; Hi Nancy, I love your show, I never miss it, I talk about it on IS, the twins are so cute, and here's my well-informed question..:biggrin:


ROFLMAO! :lol:

You covered it all!

[Snoopy50]

Not only that but he thinks there is no water in Arizona!!! "If you believe that I'll sell you some waterfront property in Arizona". <Would that be riverfront or lakefront property HO-SEEEEEEEE?> :cuss:

He was a truant in Geography class. IMO;)

[Joan Weiss]

Okay, sorry. But, I thought he was leaving the area after school was over. Oh, well, Casey might have been looking and found ZF-G's name, although, looking for an apartment for a new boyfriend directly across the street from the apartment of her old boyfriend is strange, doncha think? (Yes, I know, we are talking about Casey.)Yes, knowing how she was Miss domestic, I'm sure she put all her talents to work for Tony. imo

[barskin&co.]

the tatoo guy said that Casey told him she was looking and that Tony's lease was up. But nobody believes casey now, do they?


Oh, is that where the "lease is up, Casey is looking" info came from. Then fuggedaboudit!!

[Pruddennce]

We do? I don't think so. He had an apartment, and he was finishing school soon and leaving the area, perhaps.

Tony and Casey met with an old friend Crisp....he had something to do with apartment rentals...Tony filled out a contact card and then the next step was going to be a lease....Crisp said he was told that Tony was looking to move.

Crisp spoke to Casey about it the following week, when is Tony going to sign the lease, and she avoided talk of the lease......

so Tony never did go any further than filling out a contact card.

best regards,
Pru

[Boxer]

Oh, is that where the "lease is up, Casey is looking" info came from. Then fuggedaboudit!!

yup, it's all Casey-speak

[Snoopy50]

Does anyone know how much time CA will serve or get with the current charges?
Someone, and i do not recall who, said probation to 67 years.:mad:

[Joan Weiss]

Good afternoon, Joan. How long had Amy known Casey and how did they meet? It's probably been posted and I probably read it but can't remember. I'm just wondering why she would entrust anything to Casey since Casey's such a pathological liar and thief. TIA

JMO.According to Amy's affidavit, she had met Casey before she started her job on the ship. When she returned, she found Casey in her circle of friends. IIRC, Casey was still Ricardo's GF at that time. imo

[MyrDawn]

Can someone with legal experience answer my questions please?

1. Does Baez have a chance at getting charges reduced or thrown out due to how "he" thinks CA constitutional rights have been violated?

2. If/ when they charge her with Murder- can they use the other cases as part of their defense (ie how they claim LE created a media circus, etc)?

3. With Baez request for Discovery motion - can they grant him that even if they haven't charged her with Murder? I'm assuming this is in regards to the DNA that was tested.

Thank you so much.

1. He can try, but her constitutional rights haven't been violated so no judge is going to reduce or toss the charges out.

2. He can try using anything he wants for a defense, but that doesn't mean the judge will allow it.

3. He can't get discovery for a charge that hasn't been filed.

JMO

[Joan Weiss]

Someone, and i do not recall who, said probation to 67 years.:mad:Hee, that's a loooong timeline...

[deep*fear]

Do you all think that LE are going to go after the grandparents after they have made the case against Casey?

Cindy has a 'duty to report' Elder abuse and Child abuse. Rather than report the financial elder abuse, she covered it up.

[barskin&co.]

Yes, knowing how she was Miss domestic, I'm sure she put all her talents to work for Tony. imo


No, actually she was Miss Demeanor. She certainly wanted to make herself invaluable to Tony, IMO, because she was homeless.

[shelbar53]

Ricardo. She could probably see whoever entered the building from there. There's probably a very simple explanation, Casey's just not that clever. imo


check your PMs

[barskin&co.]

I believe it was Rob Dick who shared his conversation with Casey.

And Casey changed her story in said conversation.

Padilla had nothing to do with Casey changing her story.

Yes, Rob Dick tokd this on air in an interview. It's probably in the links thread.

[Lorakai]

They did not all go to PR at the same time. I think Amy left July 8 and returned on July 15. jmo

I know they all got back at the same time together, when Casey went to pick them up at the airport there was not enough room in the car so Amy drove Casey to Tony's and went back to pick up the boys. It was after that that they decided to stop at the mall and wait in a line for the iPhone because JP wanted one. While Amy was on her way to a bathroom, she was contacted by Cindy and she came and picked up Amy, who says she left the boys at the mall to go find Casey, or lead Cindy to Casey at Tony's.

Does anyone else know more about the trip to PR, Amy, JP and Ricardo. I'm honestly not saying this has anything to do with Caylee, I just want to make sure the time line is as close to right as I can get it....

ty :)

[Joan Weiss]

Oh, is that where the "lease is up, Casey is looking" info came from. Then fuggedaboudit!!However, the tattoo guy's sworn affidavit is in the docus. :shrug:

[tiny paw-prints]

Well dang, I'm still waiting for someone to ask about the flies and chloroform. :shrug:


Chloroform: There's been speculation that Casey might have chloroformed Amy when Casey spent the night 7/2-7/5 and Amy's $400 cash was missing; Casey convinced Amy that she was sleepwalking, etc.

In addition to the above, there's been speculation that Amy had shrugged off the above incident at the time because there was another incident when Amy had woke up one morning wearing different clothes than she went to sleep in.

[Snoopy50]

Cindy isn't suffering enough we have to rub salt in her wounds? do you think she is the only one to pay for her childs sins? moo
I don't see anyone rubbing salt anywhere, the woman is her own worst enemy and should be ashamed of the monster she produced. Her continued defense of this monster says it all. JMO, but it is shared by many.:mad:

[desmom]

She did??

Did they look at SawGrass?

Page 301 of the Documents... my translation....

Casey went to school with Mr. Crisp. He ran into her around noon on July 7 at a Subway Sandwich Shop in Winter Park, FL. They talked about her boyfriend being out of town and her daughter was in Sanford with the babysitter. She seemed normal during the conversation and said she was picking up her daughter later that afternoon.

She called Mr. Crisp on June 19 about leasing an apt at his complex, Crane's Landing Apts. She told him the apt would be for her boyfriend and he wanted to get out of his current lease. The three of them met later that afternoon and completed a contact form. Caylee was not with them. Casey was "jovial as if she was glad to see him". Mr. L's demeanor was cordial, but anxious to get out of his current lease. No lease agreement was signed on this date.

Mr. Crisp called Casey later in the week to inquire about the lease, but she seemed only interested in going to some club. She invited him to the club, but he turned down the invitation.

On 7/16 he received a text message from Casey's phone with the following message, "Casey has been missing for 32 days now, please if you have any information call my number". Mr. Crisp said he text her back and asked if she was kidding. She replied back with a text. "No, its a long story and I'll tell you about it later." This was the last time he heard from Casey.

[deep*fear]

Okay, sorry. But, I thought he was leaving the area after school was over. Oh, well, Casey might have been looking and found ZF-G's name, although, looking for an apartment for a new boyfriend directly across the street from the apartment of her old boyfriend is strange, doncha think? (Yes, I know, we are talking about Casey.)

Putting all the bf in the same vicinity is called 'multi-tasking'

[commonguymd]

http://www.local6.com/news/17483396/detail.html

Detectives leaving the state, California I do believe and 42 calls to LE since July 15th.

[penguinlady]

This is the Zenaida that is thought to be the same person interviewed by reporters when they shadowed out her face and only showed her profile. Her children's name are exactly the names that Casey stated. That is no coincidence.

http://www.myspace.com/166182731

William Waters myspace friend is Laura Rose, they both are friends on myspace with Casey. Laura is friends with Zenaida, the Sawgrass ZG. I have Beba a.k.a. Zenaida's myspace snapshot before she went private with her friend's list showing Laura.


I thought Casey's Zenaida didn't have kids? :shrug: I thought I read that in the 400 page document somewhere..

IMO and it could be wrong!

Karyn

[day2day]

Rob and Padilla are basically one in the same as far as I am concerned, everyday their stories get wilder and wilder, Padilla was never in this for Caylee he was in it to get involved and be on news programs, to me he is about as insincere as it comes. It wont shock me if Rob goes on and says Casey solicited him for sex, true or not. moo

Obviously LE must disagree with you. They are making the trip to CA to meet with them!

[AustinsMama]

1. He can try, but her constitutional rights haven't been violated so no judge is going to reduce or toss the charges out.

2. He can try using anything he wants for a defense, but that doesn't mean the judge will allow it.

3. He can't get discovery for a charge that hasn't been filed.

JMO

Thank you MyrDawn...I'm curious to see what happens next. It's so hard to predict at this point. I also wonder why the release of the tapes? Did the media request that those be released? Does anyone know if they released documents, interviews in the Scott Peterson case? I've never followed a case before so I'm a rookie!

[commonguymd]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17482537/detail.html


Looks like the community has a meeting about the situation in the neighborhood tonight.

[barskin&co.]

Well if Casey purchased a ticket to PR for her, maybe she was repaying her 'generosity'. Thats the only explanation I can see for handing your car over to somoeone for a week- and no, she hadn't known Casy all that long IIRC

We talked about the ticket puchases (for Amy ansd Ricardo) about a week ago. I (and other people) think that Casey used her mother's cc to get the tickets, and had then reimburse her cash. NO WAY did she give them as presents.

[Margo555]

Unfortunately, I think it has ALWAYS been about Casey, Caylee never had a chance with this group of fruitloops.

I agree wholeheartedly! It's never been about Caylee since that third 911 call for Cindy. For Casey, it's never been about Caylee. MOO

[commonguymd]

"Casey has been prepared for the worst," Baez said. "She won't cave in.


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7444017&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


They know what is coming. Just a matter of time.

[day2day]

http://www.local6.com/news/17483396/detail.html

Detectives leaving the state, California I do believe and 42 calls to LE since July 15th.

I sure hope they bring back some helpful info! And you know LE has to protect the princess...

I bet 43 will happen before midnight...justa guess!

[summer4meplz]

At the end of the first article it says PHOTO 1, PHOTO 2, and so on.

Just click on each one to view.


Oh, thanks, duh, how could I miss that?

[MyrDawn]

With respect to 3 if they are going to use the chloroform or dna in the trunk as part of the neglect case then they would have to turn over discovery to Baez. And since they have already charged her with that he is entitled to discovery so yes, that one could be granted if the state plans to use it at trial.

As for 2 yes I believe he would be able to use the media circus surrounding all charges as part of the case. He would most likely file for a change of venue based on the protestors and media coverage. And for 1 there's always a chance a conviction could be overturned if his arguments about constitutional rights has any merit but that would be up to an appelate court post conviction imo.

With all due respect, Bookie, they haven't charged Casey with murder yet, so Baez can't get discovery for the evidence the LE is putting together for that, inclkuding the DNA, etc., from the car trunk.

JMO

[Snoopy50]

Yeah, its not Caseys fault she probably took her beautiful 2 year olds life, she did it because of how she was raised, heck we should just find her guilty of murder, but throw Cindy in jail instead, seriously. moo :rolleyes:
I don't plan to spar with you, suffices to say that I believe Cindy should be charged and I hope she will.:read:

[Joan Weiss]

With respect to 3 if they are going to use the chloroform or dna in the trunk as part of the neglect case then they would have to turn over discovery to Baez. And since they have already charged her with that he is entitled to discovery so yes, that one could be granted if the state plans to use it at trial.

As for 2 yes I believe he would be able to use the media circus surrounding all charges as part of the case. He would most likely file for a change of venue based on the protestors and media coverage. And for 1 there's always a chance a conviction could be overturned if his arguments about constitutional rights has any merit but that would be up to an appelate court post conviction imo.Sounds right to me, bookie. Thanks. :)

[Acorn]

The velvet ropes are up, lights, cameras all ready for her departure.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

[Rebel Rouzer]

I thought Casey's Zenaida didn't have kids? :shrug: I thought I read that in the 400 page document somewhere..

IMO and it could be wrong!

Karyn

I think someone is getting ahead of themselves. IF this person is the same one Casey was trying to accuse. She took some of her information she had read on Myspace and used it for her story to police.

Someone has a wild imagination IMO

[commonguymd]

Looks like she is going to be released soon. Activity here.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

[day2day]

"Casey has been prepared for the worst," Baez said. "She won't cave in.


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7444017&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


They know what is coming. Just a matter of time.

MMhmmm..she knows its coming. Just not when. I hope she uses her puter time wisely. tick tick tick <---the clock is tickin for ya Casey...
WHERE is Caylee...?!!


jmo

[desmom]

Yes, I do believe that is how it works. funny he doesn':rolleyes:t get that.

He is wanting LE to give up all their cards for the charges he knows they are going to charge her with in the future. MURDER. They do not have to give him that information until she is charged and they are required to turn over all discovery prior to preliminary hearing or trial. IMO He knows they have more to come to a probable cause for murder and doesn't want to be caught off gurard so to speak so he can mount a defense. When the time comes and they are required to turn over ALL they have for the charges that are filed. They will. IMO


Thanks! :seeya:

[FeelinFroggy617]

With all due respect, Bookie, they haven't charged Casey with murder yet, so Baez can't get discovery for the evidence the LE is putting together for that, inclkuding the DNA, etc., from the car trunk.

JMO


Lots of activity happening.... I think she's about to be released!

[MyrDawn]

Unless the state plans on using the test results in the neglect case. Then he would get discovery.

He's already received discovery for the neglect case, and the forensic evidence wasn't part of it.

You're right about Baez asking for a change of venue because of the media circus, etc. He most probably will.
JMO

[OneUp]

It is very hard for me to understand how anyone could violate a friendship in this way? Stealing money, checks, resumes and Lord knows what else from someone Casey viewed as a friend. That girl is capable of anything, and personally, those crazy parents should be afraid of having her in the home. I would love to see her juvie files.:shrug:Oh boy Snoopy50 would i ever love to peek at those files too. I have a feeling this behavior isn't enclosed in a little "Summer of 2008" bubble.
I'd like to see the juvie records and hear from Female HS. Friends and teachers.
JMO.

[jerzeegirl]

I thought Casey's Zenaida didn't have kids? :shrug: I thought I read that in the 400 page document somewhere..

IMO and it could be wrong!

Karyn



penguinlady, you are correct, casey stated in her sworn affidavit that her zanny did not have any children. I even remember the detective asking casey if zanny was having a problem having children.

[rosejustrose]

Putting all the bf in the same vicinity is called 'multi-tasking'

or centralizing!:rolleyes:

[need2no]

"Casey has been prepared for the worst," Baez said. "She won't cave in.


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7444017&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


They know what is coming. Just a matter of time.


I wonder if Casey will collapse in tears in Baez's arms when she is pronounced guilty in court...as Melanie McQuire did with her attorney, Tacopina.


Nothing like a guilty verdict to wipe a smirk off someone's smug face!

[Joan Weiss]

With all due respect, Bookie, they haven't charged Casey with murder yet, so Baez can't get discovery for the evidence the LE is putting together for that, inclkuding the DNA, etc., from the car trunk.

JMOMyr, I think bookie is correct. H/she said "unless they are planning to use" that evidence in the neglect case. imo

[Lorakai]

ok guys, I thought I would share a piece of the timeline I've been working on because your talking about pieces of it here. There may be error in this so be patient with me, it's not complete yet. Hope this helps :)

07/16/08 - Casey's car is taken by LE, a 1998 Pontiac Sunfire. George said it was ok for LE to search the vehicle on this date. Casey is arrested for neglect of a child, false official statements, and obstructing a criminal investigation. Jesse Grund states he recieved a call from a friend named "Jeff" who said he had recieved a call from LE from Casey's cell phone. Jesse tells LE he knows nothing. Jesse then searches Casey's myspace and facebook and found upwards of 200 photos of Caylee had been deleted. 10 pages of photos, had been reduced to 4 pages of Caylee photos. A Zenaida Gonzalez was contacted by LE b. Oct. who lives at a Motel 6 in Kissimmee, FL. They were able to connect her through the phone number used on the guest card at Sawgrass. This Zenaida says she does not know Casey or Caylee. She signs photos of Casey and Caylee stating she does not know them. Harry Garcia is contacted by LE in reference to the Sawgrass guest card filled out by him for Zenaida Gonzalez. LE shows him 12 photographs of a person of which Mr. Garcia stated looked like the person visited the property as a prospect. Amanda Macklin is questioned by LE who states Casey had never been a resident of Sawgrass nor did she ever apply. She states apt. # 210 shares a stairway with unit # 110 neither of which were occupied at the time. # 210 was under constr. and # 110 was their leasing model. LE records a statement with Casey Anthony. Casey says she has known Zenaida for almost four years. She met Zenaida through Jeffrey "Michael" Hopkins, who she met at Nickelodeon at Universal. Zenaida was his sons nanny at the time. For a few months Zenaida watches both children at Jeff's house in Avalon Park. Casey said she would then take Caylee to Zenaida's apartment in Glenwood where she stayed with a friend, off Bumby and Robinson in mid 2007. Zenaida later removed to the Sawgrass apartments 3 or 4 mths ago. Casey stated that Zenaida lived at her mother Gloria's place, who lived off Michigan, Gloria didn't live there at the time. Casey said Zenaida stayed with two girls at Sawgrass. Casey also said that Zenaida lived in a couple different places. Others mentioned were Andover Lakes, and Alafaya Club Apartments. Casey stated that the staircase was where they would meet to drop off Caylee, but that both Casey and Zenaida had friends at Sawgrass. She stated that they would find mutual places for pick up and drop off. Casey said she last spoke to Jeff about a week and a half ago. Casey said she had two cell phones, one was lost and she filed an incident report. Casey said prior to Zenaida watching Caylee, a Lauren Gibbs watched Caylee, that ended in April of 2006. Ricardo Morales is questioned and he says he last saw Caylee on June 10th, 2008. Amy Huizenga is interviewed, she says Casey dropped off the face of the earth when she started dating Tony. Amy says Casey and she were to live together, that they were already supposed to be living together during that time. Amy brings up William Waters at this time. Here Amy states that Casey brought Caylee to nights of poker games or parties which Amy didn't like. Amy said she would put her to bed on the couch, and the kids slept through anything. She said she saw Caylee maybe twice wake up at these late nights, one of those times Caylee would be concerned as to where mommy was, Amy says Casey was outside. Amy states that Casey smoked weed, and drank alcohol, and didn't get drunk to easily. Beer would not effect her as much as hard alcohol would. Amy says that Casey could handle herself, never saw her falling down drunk. Amy files a separate report for the theft pf her $700.00. Amy states that on "Troy's Birthday" was the last time she saw Casey. She told LE that Casey and Ricardo had a big fight because they were still sleeping together when Casey brought Tony to the party. After that Amy says Casey disappeared for about three weeks. Amy says she reappeared at the Glenwood address after taking Tony to the airport for his break in NY. LE asks Amy if she ever seen Casey use Bank of America, Amy said Casey always had credit cards. Amy mentions a conversation with "Will" which insinuates that Casey may have taken Caylee to the place where her supposed biological father died, on the anniversary date that he died in a car crash.

[MyrDawn]

Myr, I think bookie is correct. H/she said "unless they are planning to use" that evidence in the neglect case. imo

Haven't they already turned over the discovery for the neglect charge? The 400+ pages of documents?

[summer4meplz]

The velvet ropes are up, lights, cameras all ready for her departure.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

I wish the media would just leave....she just LOVES the attention and I hate that she's getting it.....

[Joan Weiss]

Looks like she is going to be released soon. Activity here.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.htmlThank you. Let the circus begin...

[deep*fear]

Lots of activity happening.... I think she's about to be released!

Anyone know what Webcam 1 is pointed at?

[Snoopy50]

Oh boy Snoopy50 would i ever love to peek at those files too. I have a feeling this behavior isn't enclosed in a little "Summer of 2008" bubble.
I'd like to see the juvie records and hear from Female HS. Friends and teachers.
JMO.

Dang records are sealed......wonder if they will be able to use them at trial?:read:

[day2day]

I have seen cases where the cops fly out to interview someone who really doesn't have any credible information, they just have to cover all bases. Has it been published that they are meeting with the Padillas?

Not sure he spoke about it on NG. I read that an owner of a well known website spoke to him and he confirmed the meeting.

[barskin&co.]

As usual, good work Lorakai!

[Rebel Rouzer]

I believe Cindy, George, & Lee will all be charged before this is all over.

I believe law enforcement is on to their cover up.

IMO.

At least one of them. IMO I agree

[Amy]

It is very hard for me to understand how anyone could violate a friendship in this way? Stealing money, checks, resumes and Lord knows what else from someone Casey viewed as a friend. That girl is capable of anything, and personally, those crazy parents should be afraid of having her in the home. I would love to see her juvie files.:shrug:

She might have wanted to portray herself being a friend to Amy, to see what she could get, but IMO, I don't think Casey ever viewed her as a "friend," just as someone she can use to get what she wants.

[Snoopy50]

I believe Cindy, George, & Lee will all be charged before this is all over.

I believe law enforcement is on to their cover up.

IMO.
I agree.....absolutely.;)

[Lorakai]

As usual, good work Lorakai!

ty barskin,.. I'm gonna go back to work on it,.. there is so much to be done, honestly,.. it's insane! I'll be quiet here for a while so that I can finish it up....

[FeelinFroggy617]

As usual, good work Lorakai!


Was she released?? My web froze and I think I missed it!!!:cuss:

[MyrDawn]

I agree.....absolutely.;)

I'm not so sure. What would they specifically charge them with? Their stories have changed, but did they actually lie to the LE...or just to the media?

[day2day]

Well, tonights Nancy should be interesting!!

I agree!! I think BH knows alot more than he is saying..jmo!

[Joan Weiss]

Haven't they already turned over the discovery for the neglect charge? The 400+ pages of documents?I thought we were talking about chloroform...

[Amy]

Great question!

I would love to ask them why the family is not and never has searched for Caylee...Not once! GA drove his sign around...CA went on talk shows.......That was it... We are all suppose to be looking for her according to CA we should get off our AZZ'S and find Caylee, but they never, ever even look!! So sad!!
It breaks my heart to think not one of them care enough to look for her......... for caylee:rose:

Maybe they don't have to look cuz they already know? Or, they know they will find a dead Caylee, not the live one Grandma insist will be found?

[commonguymd]

I believe Cindy, George, & Lee will all be charged before this is all over.

I believe law enforcement is on to their cover up.

IMO.

I believe that would be a difficult decision for LE, but from what I have seen it is a good possibility. I think it would be a good tactic to maybe break the family code of silence if one or all are arrested on obstruction or lying to authorities.

[WillowInFlight]

Anyone know what Webcam 1 is pointed at?

I'm using this one. http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/truck19mobilecam.html

[Joan Weiss]

I'm not so sure. What would they specifically charge them with? Their stories have changed, but did they actually lie to the LE...or just to the media?Well, they both put June 9 on their sworn statements as to the last time they had contact with Caylee. imo

[day2day]

You are correct.

The owner of Websleuths called Detective Yuri Melich & verified that he is indeed going to California to meet with Padilla.

Thanks LandShark...!! Pfft..I wish I had YM's phone number!!
:D just for my own personal use ...j/k!!

[commonguymd]

I doubt the document dump is the sum total of discovery.

The documents released are only for the neglect charges. Any other evidence being investigated that is unneeded for the neglect charge, or any other evidence that is being investigated for future charges does not have to be released.

[Joan Weiss]

I doubt the document dump is the sum total of discovery.ITA. bookie. I think they have heaps more. And I noted the pages don't run in continuity. They have withheld some pages. imo

[MyrDawn]

I thought we were talking about chloroform...

Yes we are, but that report wasn't included in the discovery they turned over for the neglect charge...at least in the 400+ pages that were released to the public.

[need2no]

I went to the BR and when I came back to computer WEBCAM showed cameras pointing toward the parking lot and away from the door. Only one piece of caution tape left and it's laying on the ground. Did anyone see Casey coming out?

[barskin&co.]

She might have wanted to portray herself being a friend to Amy, to see what she could get, but IMO, I don't think Casey ever viewed her as a "friend," just as someone she can use to get what she wants.

I think it might go without saying that Casey was incapable of being a friend to anyone.

[AustinsMama]

What happened they are taking down the yellow tape?

[day2day]

Was she released?? My web froze and I think I missed it!!!:cuss:

UHOH we missed it :(

[MyrDawn]

I went to the BR and when I came back to computer WEBCAM showed cameras pointing toward the parking lot and away from the door. Only one piece of caution tape left and it's laying on the ground. Did anyone see Casey coming out?

Not me. The web cam was frozen. Darn!

[FeelinFroggy617]

I went to the BR and when I came back to computer WEBCAM showed cameras pointing toward the parking lot and away from the door. Only one piece of caution tape left and it's laying on the ground. Did anyone see Casey coming out?


No!!!! My screen went blank!

[deep*fear]

I'm using this one. http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/truck19mobilecam.html

:beer: Thanks

eta: hope it's current, their trash is still there

[kakax]

Wonder if there are helicopters this time:rolleyes:

[Joan Weiss]

As usual, good work Lorakai!Yes, a hearty thank you to Lorakai! That's a lot of work.

:beer:

[jammies]

Hey y'all....could somebody please give me an update for the past few days. I just got my power turned back on from storms on Sunday (tree hit our house, fun) and I have been going crazy...:cuss:

Our power was out too, mason. Just high wind. So sorry about your house :rose:

[cutiepatootie61]

If the DA uses the chloroform or dna testing or the air sample test in the neglect case yes he would get discovery.


No need to use this evidence in the neglect case, all they need is the fact that Caylee disappeared 1 month before her mother ever told a living soul about it, and they got that in writing and on tape. The evidence from the car will be used in the murder trial that is coming down the pike.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I'm not so sure. What would they specifically charge them with? Their stories have changed, but did they actually lie to the LE...or just to the media?

I believe that at least one of them lied during the bond hearing. We don't know what they have said to LE as of yet but. I have a feeling one of them is going to crack when it comes down to it and it will prove they lied and tried to help Coverup for Casey. IMO

[need2no]

No!!!! My screen went blank!

They just removed that last piece of caution tape that was laying on the ground...dang can't believe we missed it. The media must have gone wild just like last time....don't know why they bother with the tape.

[DELANEY]

Today is my first day visiting the Anthony website. After reading for a while I am wondering if anything Casey has said has ever been proven to be the truth, or has everything that has come out of her mouth been a lie?

[MyrDawn]

ITA. bookie. I think they have heaps more. And I noted the pages don't run in continuity. They have withheld some pages. imo

Wouldn't that be illegal? I've heard of cases where the prosecution has withheld something during discovery and it ended up being disallowed by the judge because they had illegally withheld it from the defense.
http://lawdigest.uslegal.com/evidence/discovery/1259/

[msjoni]

http://www.imr.gov.my/org/ento_d.htm

I read this and got the impression that chloroform kills flies, since it states it a few times, lol.

I believe the chloroform was used to clean the trunk carpet... why did the flies fly out of the car, because there was no chloroform back then....

[SavannahStar]

I'm not so sure. What would they specifically charge them with? Their stories have changed, but did they actually lie to the LE...or just to the media?


I don't believe for a minute they will be charged with anything.

[WillowInFlight]

They just removed that last piece of caution tape that was laying on the ground...dang can't believe we missed it. The media must have gone wild just like last time....don't know why they bother with the tape.

Just was out in a blink, she's getting good at this.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I'm using this one. http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/truck19mobilecam.html


Good to see you :seeya:

[rosejustrose]

I wish the media would just leave....she just LOVES the attention and I hate that she's getting it.....

Did I misss something? Last I checked the tape was up now it's down? Is she out?

[commonguymd]

Yes I know that. What I said is that I doubt the documents that were released is all of the discovery on the neglect charge. There is probably more evidence on the neglect charge that we haven't seen yet.

They have released enough evidence confirming the neglect charge in the discovery documents. There is more evidence like you say that could pertain to the the neglect charge but they are probably holding that for additional evidence for future charges. I wasn't disagreeing with you only expounding on what I perceive. They don't have to release the house if they don't have to. There is plenty there to secure her for a possible guilty charge.

[nutterbutter]

I believe that at least one of them lied during the bond hearing. We don't know what they have said to LE as of yet but. I have a feeling one of them is going to crack when it comes down to it and it will prove they lied and tried to help Coverup for Casey. IMO
I believe you are very right.mo

[trt]

Wouldn't that be illegal? I've heard of cases where the prosecution has withheld something during discovery and it ended up being disallowed by the judge because they had illegally withheld it from the defense.
http://lawdigest.uslegal.com/evidence/discovery/1259/

What they provided for public release is not necessarily all that they have provided to Baez...as well, since they also have an active investigation on Caylee's death, they could claim that the evidence being withheld is more relevant to the active investigation, rather than the current charges and withhold based on that. JMO

[barskin&co.]

Hey y'all....could somebody please give me an update for the past few days. I just got my power turned back on from storms on Sunday (tree hit our house, fun) and I have been going crazy...:cuss:

Oh gosh, you missed it? Casey was charged with murder, and, while they were rearresting her, she made a break for it. There was a standoff at Blanchard Park, and she gave herself up and confessed!
What a weekend.

Okay, kidding. It has just been more of the same. Protestors and Cindy clashing. Casey was taken back to jail for the new check and fraud charges. She's getting out again.

[Joan Weiss]

I wish the media would just leave....she just LOVES the attention and I hate that she's getting it.....Exactly so. They should leave them in dead silence. Too many kodak moments, imo.

[jammies]

live webcam going home

http://www.wesh.com/video/17486341/index.html

[commonguymd]

Wouldn't that be illegal? I've heard of cases where the prosecution has withheld something during discovery and it ended up being disallowed by the judge because they had illegally withheld it from the defense.
http://lawdigest.uslegal.com/evidence/discovery/1259/

Isn't a public request for discovery different than a discovery release to the defending attorney? They may have withheld some pages that were either unnecessary in the prosecution of the current charges, most likely that is the case,,, or they without information from the public only.

Not sure.

[SavannahStar]

Well, they both put June 9 on their sworn statements as to the last time they had contact with Caylee. imo


Do you actually think that's a provable lie for "sinister" purposes? All anyone has to say is they made a mistake on the date. Some on here believe it's as simple as that.

[deep*fear]

UHOH we missed it :(

This camera is frozen, too. It's stuck on this morning (the shadows should be nearly gone) http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/truck19mobilecam.html

[trt]

I believe the chloroform was used to clean the trunk carpet... why did the flies fly out of the car, because there was no chloroform back then....


I think you are right.

[jerzeegirl]

can someone tell me.......is casey actually pleading not guilty to the check charges????? Dont they have her on video? Dont they have her signature? Why does she not just plead guilty to those charges, get it over with and move on to finding her daughter.????

[WillowInFlight]

Good to see you :seeya:

You also :seeya:

[Joan Weiss]

What they provided for public release is not necessarily all that they have provided to Baez...as well, since they also have an active investigation on Caylee's death, they could claim that the evidence being withheld is more relevant to the active investigation, rather than the current charges and withhold based on that. JMOYes, I recall something like that in the SP trial. The defense wanted some evidence regarding an ongoing investigation, and it was a battle. imo

[day2day]

live webcam going home

http://www.wesh.com/video/17486341/index.html

Thanks jammies!!

[barskin&co.]

can someone tell me.......is casey actually pleading not guilty to the check charges????? Dont they have her on video? Dont they have her signature? Why does she not just plead guilty to those charges, get it over with and move on to finding her daughter.????

People always plead not guilty at arraignments. She'll probably take a plea, eventually.

[commonguymd]

http://www.wesh.com/video/17486341/index.html

Here is her leaving today.

[Joan Weiss]

can someone tell me.......is casey actually pleading not guilty to the check charges????? Dont they have her on video? Dont they have her signature? Why does she not just plead guilty to those charges, get it over with and move on to finding her daughter.????Baez is building his rep as a "high profile" attorney. He also has anti-government issues to work (act) out. imo

[MyrDawn]

There is most likely more evidence in the neglect case, we just haven't seen it yet. Discovery isn't always released to the public before a trial.

If Baez had gotten the forensic reports during discovery for the neglect case, but the public didn't see them, why would he be filing a motion to block their testing?

I just will be very surprised if the prosecution uses the DNA and cholorform evidence for the neglect trial instead of a murder trial. Or, don't you think they'll file a murder charge?

[kakax]

Video of her release

http://www.local6.com/news/17484847/detail.html

[FeelinFroggy617]

live webcam going home

http://www.wesh.com/video/17486341/index.html


I can't believe they have a helicopter following her home!! This is like watching the OJ slo-mo "chase"! This is heinous!

[day2day]

This camera is frozen, too. It's stuck on this morning (the shadows should be nearly gone) http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/truck19mobilecam.html


I think they do this on purpose. :( ...

[Snoopy50]

Baez is building his rep as a "high profile" attorney. He also has anti-government issues to work (act) out. imo

Thanks Joan!!!!:seeya: Want to come help me clean up the coffee on my desk?

[commonguymd]

http://www.wesh.com/video/17486341/index.html

In the helicopter again following.

[OneUp]

Do you all think that LE are going to go after the grandparents after they have made the case against Casey?

Cindy has a 'duty to report' Elder abuse and Child abuse. Rather than report the financial elder abuse, she covered it up.You are correct if she didn't report it. AFAIK, she did nothing but *possibly* repay the funds.
If she reported abuse/neglect to the therapist, not only was Cindy required to report it, but if the therapist felt any of it constituted imment harm to Caylee then she should have reported it too. Counselors and the like here must report any threat of danger to a childs well being, or any direct threat to harm the client or another adult. Other talk of abuse/neglect by a client usually falls under their privelege unless the Professional sees evidence of either themselves.
JMO.

[FeelinFroggy617]

I can't believe they have a helicopter following her home!! This is like watching the OJ slo-mo "chase"! This is heinous!


LMAO!!!! The truck doesn't fit in the garage!!!!!

[barskin&co.]

She's home...safe and sound...with Cindy.

[happy2bme]

I believe that at least one of them lied during the bond hearing. We don't know what they have said to LE as of yet but. I have a feeling one of them is going to crack when it comes down to it and it will prove they lied and tried to help Coverup for Casey. IMO


ITA. I can't get the theory out of my head that GA found Caylee's body in that trunk when he picked it up and disposed of it. Maybe he did this and did not tell Casey so therefore she does not know where Caylee is. :shrug:

[penguinlady]

penguinlady, you are correct, casey stated in her sworn affidavit that her zanny did not have any children. I even remember the detective asking casey if zanny was having a problem having children.


Page 58 Casey's interview at Universal:
Q: Did she have any children
A: No
Q: We are talking about the babysitter
A:Uh-huh (affirmative)

Sorry I couldn't cut and paste from acutal document. The Zenaida that visited Sawgrass had two children. Zanny didn't have any. Also Casey said that Zanny graduated from U of F. Did Casey ever say Zanny's age? That should be easy to look up.

K

[day2day]

The princess is home. I bet Cindy has lunch ready for her!

[summer4meplz]

Did I misss something? Last I checked the tape was up now it's down? Is she out?


I just barely click on the cam's links....it can really mess up your computer to leave them open...

[WillowInFlight]

I can't believe they have a helicopter following her home!! This is like watching the OJ slo-mo "chase"! This is heinous!

I bet she's loving every second of this.

[Snoopy50]

ITA. I can't get the theory out of my head that GA found Caylee's body in that trunk when he picked it up and disposed of it. Maybe he did this and did not tell Casey so therefore she does not know where Caylee is. :shrug:I agree with your first sentence, but i do not agree that he didn't tell Casey.

[FrankieBones1]

IIRC...You can post a link to other message boards only.

Those pics (yes there's more) are also on a blogsite that was posted here earlier. ((snipped))

Wow! That is quite the costume. Any idea what's behind this photo op?

[barskin&co.]

Page 58 Casey's interview at Universal:
Q: Did she have any children
A: No
Q: We are talking about the babysitter
A:Uh-huh (affirmative)

Sorry I couldn't cut and paste from acutal document. The Zenaida that visited Sawgrass had two children. Zanny didn't have any. Also Casey said that Zanny graduated from U of F. Did Casey ever say Zanny's age? That should be easy to look up.

K

IIRC, she said her Zenaida BlahBlah Hyphen Blah was in her early twenties and had brown curly hair, sometimes straightened.

[kakax]

I bet she's loving every second of this.

A part of me wants all the media to pull out...but they need to keep the focus on this for Caylee's sake. It just makes me mad that she is probably thinking....all this, for me?

[Joan Weiss]

I can't believe they have a helicopter following her home!! This is like watching the OJ slo-mo "chase"! This is heinous!Yea, and the yellow tape looks to me like a red velvet rope walk. :rolleyes:

[MyrDawn]

What they provided for public release is not necessarily all that they have provided to Baez...as well, since they also have an active investigation on Caylee's death, they could claim that the evidence being withheld is more relevant to the active investigation, rather than the current charges and withhold based on that. JMO

That was my point. The murder investigation is still active and I believe they're withholding the DNA and other forensic evidence from the car for that and it's too early for Baez to get discovery for the murder charge evidence because it hasn't been charged yet.

It's all really personal opinion though. I just don't think they'll use that forensic evidence at the neglect trial. I think they'll save it for a murder trial. Other posters think they'll use it at the neglect trial instead.

[penguinlady]

The two people listed on Zenaida Gonzalez's visitor card as possible tenants are Jasmine and Michelle. The manager assumed they were her kids because she might have said "my girls."

Jasmine and Michelle are also listed as children to this "Bebe"/Zenaida person who also has ties with Rose and Waters.

Laura left comments to William on his myspace page indicating that she is speaking of Caylee's disappearance. William Waters is also on Casey's jailhouse visitor log.


Ok..that make sense. Sorry I didn't see this before I re-read Casey's interview, though it is always interesting to see the detail that she goes into.

K

[Joan Weiss]

The princess is home. I bet Cindy has lunch ready for her!Probably. It's business as usual, and I wonder if Cindy has her hammer ready. imo

[FrankieBones1]

ITA. I can't get the theory out of my head that GA found Caylee's body in that trunk when he picked it up and disposed of it. Maybe he did this and did not tell Casey so therefore she does not know where Caylee is. :shrug:

And if she took a polygraph and the question was, "Do you know where Caylee is", she could answer, "Yes", without lying. I always wondered about that. Especially when she was asked questions by law enforcement at the Universal Studios. She would keep repeating, "I do not know where Caylee is".

[True2Blues]

She's home...safe and sound...with Cindy.


They deserve each other. Neither one of them deserved Caylee.

[kakax]

Drugs & alcohol?



Ya think...rofl!!

[FeelinFroggy617]

ITA. I can't get the theory out of my head that GA found Caylee's body in that trunk when he picked it up and disposed of it. Maybe he did this and did not tell Casey so therefore she does not know where Caylee is. :shrug:


I kind of feel the same way. Do you think GA then told CA? Just wondering what you think!

[commonguymd]

That was my point. The murder investigation is still active and I believe they're withholding the DNA and other forensic evidence from the car for that and it's too early for Baez to get discovery for the murder charge evidence because it hasn't been charged yet.

It's all really personal opinion though. I just don't think they'll use that forensic evidence at the neglect trial. I think they'll save it for a murder trial. Other posters think they'll use it at the neglect trial instead.

I agree. I think murder charges are imminent. I don't know if they have enough for murder one.

[Rebel Rouzer]

IIRC, she said her Zenaida BlahBlah Hypehn Blah was in her early twenties and had brown curly hair, sometimes straightened.

Can you believe this new theory some have come up with?

[day2day]

Probably. It's business as usual, and I wonder if Cindy has her hammer ready. imo

I hope that the neighbors got some sleep last night. The protestors will probly be out in force tonight. MMhmm...signs and crime scee tape hung!! hammer

[MyrDawn]

Do you actually think that's a provable lie for "sinister" purposes? All anyone has to say is they made a mistake on the date. Some on here believe it's as simple as that.

They've already corrected it and said the last time they saw her was on June 16th.
JMO

[Joan Weiss]

Thanks Joan!!!!:seeya: Want to come help me clean up the coffee on my desk?So sorry...

:biggrin:

[day2day]

They deserve each other. Neither one of them deserved Caylee.

POST OF THE DAY!....

:rose:

[FrankieBones1]

They deserve each other. Neither one of them deserved Caylee.
Wish I could understand the reason why she would allow her back into the house.

[kOOkie1]

...The Bodyguards are just over the top to me..scheech !!! She should not be made to appear like a celebrity...mannn all she needs now is a headset-mic and a Frappuccino!(jmo)

[Katprint]

Listening to the taped interview at Universal Studios, it struck me how the police investigators earnestly tried to explain to Casey that not only would she be in worse trouble with the law if she kept up her lies and patently unbelievable denials, but also that people would regard her as "a monster" and "the devil" due to her apparent lack of concern for her daughter and her outrageous behavior in misleading investigators searching for her daughter. Lo and behold, that is EXACTLY how she is generally regarded by most normal people.

Casey's defense attorney objects to Casey being charged with additional crimes as law enforcement continues to gather proof of those additional crimes (surveillance tapes showing Casey using Amy Huizenga's checks etc.) It seems perfectly reasonable to me, however, that a criminal who has committed many crimes should be charged with those crimes, and that committing a really big crime does not somehow immunize them from prosecution for all the little crimes they committed as well.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[barskin&co.]

Can you believe this new theory some have come up with?

No comment.

[keybored]

Yeah, its not Caseys fault she probably took her beautiful 2 year olds life, she did it because of how she was raised, heck we should just find her guilty of murder, but throw Cindy in jail instead, seriously. moo :rolleyes:


CiaoBella: The original poster didn't say that Cindy should be punished INSTEAD of Casey, they said:

deep*fear
Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: South Florida
Posts: 1,896

Do you all think that LE are going to go after the grandparents after they have made the case against Casey?

Cindy has a 'duty to report' Elder abuse and Child abuse. Rather than report the financial elder abuse, she covered it up.



I do think that Cindy has to take some responsibilty in this case too. She may or may not be legally responsible, but she certainly is morally.
And regardless of what a bad time she is going through, that does not excuse her bad behaviour.

Sorry.... I feel for Caylee. She is the only innocent victim here.:rose:

[Joan Weiss]

They've already corrected it and said the last time they saw her was on June 16th.
JMOMmmm hmmm...Imagine not remembering a Father's Day visit as the last time you saw your granddaughter who's now missing...imo

Caylee :rose:

[forensicnut]

Page 58 Casey's interview at Universal:
Q: Did she have any children
A: No
Q: We are talking about the babysitter
A:Uh-huh (affirmative)

Sorry I couldn't cut and paste from acutal document. The Zenaida that visited Sawgrass had two children. Zanny didn't have any. Also Casey said that Zanny graduated from U of F. Did Casey ever say Zanny's age? That should be easy to look up.

K

There is a zenaida Gonzalez and a Samantha Gonzalez that have both been arrested for traffic offenses, both born in 1986.....

The search doesn't work with AOL, only IE, or other browser. I just typed in their names.

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/BkgNamesSelect.aspx?SessionID=ed822378-d0ff-4343-8778-1c316f12304a

[happy2bme]

I kind of feel the same way. Do you think GA then told CA? Just wondering what you think!


I wonder if he didn't tell Cindy either. If she did know then I don't think she would have made the statement about the car smelling like a dead body. Maybe just maybe GA is the only one who really knows where Caylee is? I am merely speculating here.

[barskin&co.]

Listening to the taped interview at Universal Studios, it struck me how the police investigators earnestly tried to explain to Casey that not only would she be in worse trouble with the law if she kept up her lies and patently unbelievable denials, but also that people would regard her as "a monster" and "the devil" due to her apparent lack of concern for her daughter and her outrageous behavior in misleading investigators searching for her daughter. Lo and behold, that is EXACTLY how she is generally regarded by most normal people.

Casey's defense attorney objects to Casey being charged with additional crimes as law enforcement continues to gather proof of those additional crimes (surveillance tape showing Casey using Amy Huizenga's checks etc.) It seems perfectly reasonable to me, however, that a criminal who has committed many crimes should be charged with those crimes, and that committing a really big crime does not somehow immunize them from prosecution for all the little crimes they committed as well.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Yep. They called it exactly right.

[rosejustrose]

Jeez that camera is high. Has Casey arrived home yet?

Look, Lorraine, the trash is out!! eta: By that I mean their garbage, not their daughter, but take it whichever way you want to.


:lol: I'll take it as all their trash is out!

[Joan Weiss]

Since I'm the one who brought it up let me correct you. I'm not saying they will use it. I said IF they use it.I noted that, bookie. :)

[OneUp]

I don't see anyone rubbing salt anywhere, the woman is her own worst enemy and should be ashamed of the monster she produced. Her continued defense of this monster says it all. JMO, but it is shared by many.:mad:I agree Snoopy...experiencing a tragedy does not relieve one of the burdens of their own transgressions. We are each responsible for our own behavior, perhaps that of our children as well.
When we make our choices, most of us are aware we will have to live with the consequences of those choices. The choices so many people who know Casey have made led to a variety of difficulties in each of their lives. None of the victims is responsible for Casey's actions, and many are suffering just for the simple mistake of choosing to trust her.
All any of them could choose to do after the fact was disengage themselves fro her and hold her accountable, Amy H. would be one example. I'm sure it is far trickier for Cindy. This is her child. But when she Chooses the path she has, she also has chosen the potential consequences by default.
I hope that soon she will be choosing to put her energy towards finding Caylee and laying her to rest in a place of dignity, with loving care.
This is MY day to Honor Caylee with my own peaceful behavior on this board. One day of Peace and quiet is the least I can offer to show respect for the one purely innocent victim, innocent of any transgressions.
Now tomorrow? well, I'm only human and cannot hope to devote all day every day to only one victim. But today is Caylee's day for me.
:rose: Isn't it nice and quiet here Caylee? I like the peace and all of the love I'm seeing shown for you. So many people setting their differences aside and trying to focus their thoughts today on you and on that which helps to find you.
JMO.

[day2day]

That doesn't prove they lied. It proves they were wrong about a date.

All of them? The same date?

[day2day]

Yep.

All three of them had the same wrong date.

Cover up. Plain as day.

IMO.

:lol:Get outta my head ...

[commonguymd]

I wonder if he didn't tell Cindy either. If she did know then I don't think she would have made the statement about the car smelling like a dead body. Maybe just maybe GA is the only one who really knows where Caylee is? I am merely speculating here.

I have said that before. I think GA knows, and perhaps even Casey does not know where she is. I think Lee knew the whole thing, and Cindy made the last 911 call that Lee tried to stop her from making. Right after that, the whole thing changed. First they scoured the backyard looking under pavers and playhouses. I think Casey borrowed the shovel to get the stink out of her car and bury her in the backyard. Sometime after the third 911 call and before the cadaver dogs came, they found her in the backyard. GA probably took care of things. Cindy was the last to know in this theory.

[Joan Weiss]

Listening to the taped interview at Universal Studios, it struck me how the police investigators earnestly tried to explain to Casey that not only would she be in worse trouble with the law if she kept up her lies and patently unbelievable denials, but also that people would regard her as "a monster" and "the devil" due to her apparent lack of concern for her daughter and her outrageous behavior in misleading investigators searching for her daughter. Lo and behold, that is EXACTLY how she is generally regarded by most normal people.

Casey's defense attorney objects to Casey being charged with additional crimes as law enforcement continues to gather proof of those additional crimes (surveillance tapes showing Casey using Amy Huizenga's checks etc.) It seems perfectly reasonable to me, however, that a criminal who has committed many crimes should be charged with those crimes, and that committing a really big crime does not somehow immunize them from prosecution for all the little crimes they committed as well.

Katprint
Always only my own opinionsDuly noted. ITA.

[deep*fear]

There is a zenaida Gonzalez and a Samantha Gonzalez that have both been arrested for traffic offenses, both born in 1986.....

The search doesn't work with AOL, only IE, or other browser. I just typed in their names.

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/BkgNamesSelect.aspx?SessionID=ed822378-d0ff-4343-8778-1c316f12304a

I wonder who did that search b4 Casey came out with the Sam at Blanchard park story

[SavannahStar]

Wish I could understand the reason why she would allow her back into the house.

Because she's her daughter.

[MyrDawn]

It's obvious the police want her in jail. If they had proof Caylee was dead and in the trunk of a car Casey was driving I think they would have filed murder charges instead of arresting her every couple of days on charges she can post bail on. I think the test results don't show what they claimed and that's why they said "probably dead" and "likely dead".

I dunno. I think they have more forensic evidence tests back, and other evidence for a murder charge, that we haven't heard about yet. The test results released were called "preliminary" results.

I think they're holding out on the murder charge as long as they can hoping to find Caylee's body. Hopefully they'll get a good lead in California!

JMO

[rosejustrose]

She's home...safe and sound...with Cindy.

Praise the Lord! I guess those Rosary Beads worked for her:rolleyes:

[True2Blues]

Wish I could understand the reason why she would allow her back into the house.

I can see two reasons. One, George and Cindy helped cover up and they're afraid if they don't keep Casey close she'll blame them for everything.

Two, Cindy has a thing about 'Her Family' having a certain image and she believes if she tells enough people Casey is innocent they'll just let her go and then they can go back to being the "perfect" family she thinks they are.

She and Casey share that, "If I say so everyone will believe me." problem.

[penguinlady]

There is a zenaida Gonzalez and a Samantha Gonzalez that have both been arrested for traffic offenses, both born in 1986.....

The search doesn't work with AOL, only IE, or other browser. I just typed in their names.

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/BkgNamesSelect.aspx?SessionID=ed822378-d0ff-4343-8778-1c316f12304a


Not as easy to get on the U of F alumni website as I had hoped. I did go on to classmates.com to see if there was a Zenaida Gonzalez listed as a grad from college (you have to sign up for that) and there wasn't. Doesn't mean anything though. :read:

K

[tiny paw-prints]

All of them? The same date?

IIRC, Cindy June 7, George June 8, Casey June 9.

[Snoopy50]

I agree Snoopy...experiencing a tragedy does not relieve one of the burdens of their own transgressions. We are each responsible for our own behavior, perhaps that of our children as well.
When we make our choices, most of us are aware we will have to live with the consequences of those choices. The choices so many people who know Casey have made led to a variety of difficulties in each of their lives. None of the victims is responsible for Casey's actions, and many are suffering just for the simple mistake of choosing to trust her.
All any of them could choose to do after the fact was disengage themselves fro her and hold her accountable, Amy H. would be one example. I'm sure it is far trickier for Cindy. This is her child. But when she Chooses the path she has, she also has chosen the potential consequences by default.
I hope that soon she will be choosing to put her energy towards finding Caylee and laying her to rest in a place of dignity, with loving care.
This is MY day to Honor Caylee with my own peaceful behavior on this board. One day of Peace and quiet is the least I can offer to show respect for the one purely innocent victim, innocent of any transgressions.
Now tomorrow? well, I'm only human and cannot hope to devote all day every day to only one victim. But today is Caylee's day for me.
:rose: Isn't it nice and quiet here Caylee? I like the peace and all of the love I'm seeing shown for you. So many people setting their differences aside and trying to focus their thoughts today on you and on that which helps to find you.
JMO.

A lovely post, beautiful. thanks for the reminder too.;)

[kakax]

I wonder who did that search b4 Casey came out with the Sam at Blanchard park story



I'm hoping for a new search warrant for her computer she has been using since she has been home! :)

[SavannahStar]

Mmmm hmmm...Imagine not remembering a Father's Day visit as the last time you saw your granddaughter who's now missing...imo

Caylee :rose:

Not enough to charge someone with a crime over that though. That's really the bottom line.

[Joan Weiss]

I have said that before. I think GA knows, and perhaps even Casey does not know where she is. I think Lee knew the whole thing, and Cindy made the last 911 call that Lee tried to stop her from making. Right after that, the whole thing changed. First they scoured the backyard looking under pavers and playhouses. I think Casey borrowed the shovel to get the stink out of her car and bury her in the backyard. Sometime after the third 911 call and before the cadaver dogs came, they found her in the backyard. GA probably took care of things. Cindy was the last to know in this theory.I'm not so sure about that. George is the one who pointed out the disturbed dirt to LE, and told them he thought Casey wasn't being forthcoming. imo

[forensicnut]

I wonder who did that search b4 Casey came out with the Sam at Blanchard park story


I don't know.

There is a Jeffery Hopkins, Jennifer Rosa and Juliet (spelled differently) lewis listed too.

I wish they had photos with the case summaries!!!!!

[FeelinFroggy617]

I know what she said, and I made the suggestion about Cindy.
Caseys biggest problem in her life is her mother, I bet she loves to read these boards and feel validated about how horrible her mother is.

For Cindy.:rose:

Sorry.... Caseys biggest problem is that she can't tell the truth. I disagree with you. No matter what her relationship with Cindy, the girl doesn't have an honest bone in her body. If she's not lying, she's stealing. JMO

[redcard]

It seems perfectly reasonable to me, however, that a criminal who has committed many crimes should be charged with those crimes, and that committing a really big crime does not somehow immunize them from prosecution for all the little crimes they committed as well.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


I agree to an extent. This repeated arresting and re-arresting for various crimes while the investigation is going on on the murder case seems to be a bit vindictive. I have this suspicion that they are going to try to get her on enough other charges that they'll offer concurrent sentences along with a confession of criminally negligent homicide.

That's what I think is going on, and why I think her lawyer wants them to poop or get off the pot. I get the feeling that they've made a few blunders in this case regarding supposed evidence that they said they had, and now they're trying to end run the death and requisite investigation around the check kiting scheme.

[deep*fear]

:lol: I'll take it as all their trash is out!

Musical chairs with the trash, eh? Put the trash out, bring the trash in. :lol:

[Joan Weiss]

Not enough to charge someone with a crime over that though. That's really the bottom line.Yes, but sad, all the same. imo

Caylee :rose:

[domvan]

There is a zenaida Gonzalez and a Samantha Gonzalez that have both been arrested for traffic offenses, both born in 1986.....

The search doesn't work with AOL, only IE, or other browser. I just typed in their names.

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/BkgNamesSelect.aspx?SessionID=ed822378-d0ff-4343-8778-1c316f12304a

What is even more interesting to me is that for the Zanaida born in 1970 there is a child services case. How do we know the Zanaida she is referring to was born in 1986 and not in 1970?

[MyrDawn]

Mmmm hmmm...Imagine not remembering a Father's Day visit as the last time you saw your granddaughter who's now missing...imo

Caylee :rose:

Really! If it was my granddaughter who was missing, the last time I saw her would be forever burned into my brain!

[day2day]

http://www.wftv.com/video/17486682/index.html

Is JB holding Casey's hand? OR am i seeing things?

[True2Blues]

Yep.

All three of them had the same wrong date.

Cover up. Plain as day.

IMO.

Yes indeedy!

[spiritwolf46]

Good afternoon from Hurricane ridden Ohio!!! :seeya:

We are on a generator, for power is out throughout Ohio and will be for a long time, but wanted to check in to see what may be going on.

I know that Princess was rearrested, but do not know if she is out yet again!

Please help me with anything new, for I only have a limited time online before we have to shut down and reserve gas for the generator!

I have miss you all!

TIA!

:rose: For Caylee

[forensicnut]

What is even more interesting to me is that for the Zanaida born in 1970 there is a child services case. How do we know the Zanaida she is referring to was born in 1986 and not in 1970?

Ah..... I didn't even look at that one. I just assumed that she was around Casey's age. Also, I thought Casey said that Zanny didn't have any kids? :shrug: