Tues, 9/18 AM

[Rebel Rouzer]

I still just don't get it.

If they know she is dead, why are they going to Cali?
There is a part of me that thinks that they don't have evidence of a dead Caylee and threw it out there because they were not able to crack Casey, and they thought if they said that, she would talk. moo


IMO they are going to Cali t talk to the Marine dude and Pdilla and possibly check out tips that were given. If LE fails to investigate leads and tips of a live Caylee. The defense will eat them alive come trial and try and prove tynnel vision and targeting Casey from the get go. Failing to do a thorough investigation. They have to check out tips and leads that come in especially if they are tips turned in by defense so they can rule them out. It happens in many cases where they know the person is dead but they check up on leads and tips anyway. They don't want to chance a mistrial due to not following leads. Especially in a case without a body YET. IMO

[kakax]

I still just don't get it.

If they know she is dead, why are they going to Cali?
There is a part of me that thinks that they don't have evidence of a dead Caylee and threw it out there because they were not able to crack Casey, and they thought if they said that, she would talk. moo

It says they are looking for clues. I assume that means that they want to talk to witnesses. Especially the young man she said she needed to talk to about something. JMO.

[ruth66]

Here is her appearance in court...


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7442461&version=1&locale=EN-US

Short and not so sweet.

Does Baez always have that smirk on his face? Everytime I have seen coverage of him he has that same look....

[Joan Weiss]

I very rarely get carded when I write a check...my DL # is own my check...

usually the most I get is "Is this still you're correct information"

Which my phone # isn't, and I usually write the correct one on it...
maybe they assume that because I do that, I'm not "hiding" anything

:shrug:

You also have these places that will run a check through just as if you swiped a debit card, you don't even have to fill out the check....Exactly so, Winnie. If your DL is on the check, they don't usually ask. Also, if one of your checks has already been through their system, you're good to go with no questions at all. That happens to me all the time. The cashier is told by the register if they need to ask for ID. It won't process the check if a message comes up to ask for ID.

I'd say Amy wrote checks there before, and she wouldn't be asked for anything. The register recognized her check. Casey probably had been shopping with Amy before that, and noticed they didn't ask for anything from her. imo

[OneUp]

I'm thinking along those lines too. Wonder if they will get her to court on the neglect charges then drop the neglect charges and file murder charges? Can they wait until the last minute to do that? Sorry if my questions arent making sense yet this morning. lol
I think the State can step up and say they are withdrawing the neglect charge at court. I'm not so sure they will. It really matters on how they are proving neglect...they may have info. which we do not about neglect...not only neglect by failing to report that Caylee is missing.
They only must prove that Caylee was neglected in ways having nothing to do with her eventual death. Casey can face neglect AND homicide, just not if this instance of neglect led directly to Caylees death. I think this is one defining factor that has LE wanting to locate Caylee before filing further charges, and before Nov. if they can.
Parents can and do neglect their children in many ways which do not lead to their deaths...we just don't know what evidence or testimony may exist that we have not seen. I know there are interviews conducted which we have yet to see. They are alluded to in the documents which were released. For example, Casye's Great grandmother. LE says they confirmed Caylee's visit to the NH on Fathers day with the G-Gma, but there is no accompanying interview. Things like that make me believe that LE has kept a tight lid on the facts and has only allowed things they wanted "leaked" to be released.
JMO.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Well, he may do anything for "His girl..." $100 is chump change for a "high profile" atty, don't you think? ;)

imo

LOL Agree...

Afterall, she brings him brownies, it's the least he could do :rolleyes:

[kakax]

Baez wears that same stupid grin as the rest of the Anthony's .. :rolleyes:


It's almost clown-like....

[Jpanda]

I still just don't get it.

If they know she is dead, why are they going to Cali?
There is a part of me that thinks that they don't have evidence of a dead Caylee and threw it out there because they were not able to crack Casey, and they thought if they said that, she would talk. moo

This is just my opinion of course, but I think that's sort of a blanket statement, used to describe any activity LE does in this case. Not sure how to explain what I mean, but they're interviewing people, following up on leads, etc., all in the "search for Caylee" since she technically has not been found yet, and that is the purpose of this whole case.

In my opinion, I think LE is going out to Cali to talk with the Padillas and also with that Hawkins guy. They're following up on EVERY lead is what it sounds like to me.

jmo

[Rebel Rouzer]

I'm not familiar with the Marine story.... can you fill me in please? TIA

The guy Casey talked to on the phone. I believe his name is Hawkins. He lives in California and Casey had something she wanted to tell him but wasn't sure how he's feel about it. Something to that effect. I believe LE want to find out everything they talked about and get a sworn written statement etc. JMO

Someone please help me out with a link so Froggy can read it please. TIA

[WinnieLeigh7]

I still just don't get it.

If they know she is dead, why are they going to Cali?
There is a part of me that thinks that they don't have evidence of a dead Caylee and threw it out there because they were not able to crack Casey, and they thought if they said that, she would talk. moo

I think there is evidence...

what they may be missing still (besides the whole question of "who" and pinpointing that, as I've mentioned in the past)...

Is the complete time line and "how"


Maybe :shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

Does Baez always have that smirk on his face? Everytime I have seen coverage of him he has that same look....Such an apt description...:seeya:

[101Spots]

Yea, me too, just don't have any....so...again...LOAN??

LOL J/K (well not really) :biggrin:

Same boat here.

Winnie - you hold her down and I'll frisk her. We'll split the take, huh?
:D

[kakax]

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony has posted the $1,250 bond a judge set Tuesday morning after her third arrest since her daughter, Caylee, was reported missing.

She is expected to be released from the Orange County Jail shortly.

Anthony turned herself in on charges of petty theft, forgery and criminal use of personal identification on Monday. The charges are again connected to Anthony allegedly stealing from her friend.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17482537/detail.html

[WinnieLeigh7]

question....I would think that if her child has not shown up alive and well by the time the neglect charges get to court, wouldn't that be enough to prove "neglect"? I am confused, without proof that she was kidnapped coupled with the fact that she (Caylee) has not reunited with her family, how do you not find her guilty?

Anyone know?

I thought the neglect charges stemmed from the fact that she didn't report her missing....

[rosejustrose]

With all respect, I think Cindy telling Casey it was time to be real and legit and get her own place was basically what made Casey snap and kill Caylee, and I think Cindy knows that, I mean can you imagine?

Life as Cindy knows it is never going to be the same, and yes she should have been a stricter parent, but it wasn't just Casey in the house, it was Caylee, so I think they treaded lightly with Casey, until she ripped off her elderly grandparents, something had to give, and it did in a horrifying way.

I dont know any parent who dont have some kind of regrets when it comes to their children, but no matter what, Cindy does not deserve what is being dished to her. Her daughter is a monster, but shes about to be gone, so when Casey is locked up and behind bars for year, thats when Cindy is going to have to have major therapy and grieve for not only Caylee, but Casey. And hopefully Lee will fill her home again with a childs laughter. I am sorry but my heart breaks for Cindy, even though I dont agree with everything she has done. moo

I agree but I think it was more than Cindy telling Casey to get out and be responsible. I think Cindy told Casey to get out, get a job, take care of herself but that Caylee was staying and that Cindy was going for custody. In Casey's mind that would probably mean she was being replaced by Caylee and that's why she snapped and killed that poor little baby. I don't think Cindy ever intended to let Caylee leave that house with Casey. JMO.

[WinnieLeigh7]

It said they were going there looking for clues and talking to witnesses. Me thinks they might be going to talk to not only Pdilla but the Marine dude. I bethca. I betcha. :D

whoa.....who's the marine dude? And association to the story, or possible association??

I'm clueless on this......

[warrkat]

Good morning everyone...

Besides bh and Mark Hawkins, I just thought of another CA connection...remember Reasonable? She lives in CA...might not be anything but we haven't heard back from her? just a thought...

Was Reasonable the poster who had her ID stolen? I didn't realize she lived in CA, thought she was in Florida. Now I understand why she didn't know the relationships between the cities.

:beer: That's coffee. Apparently I need MORE.

question: Have we gotten any updates about the torso found yesterday?

[Good4u]

I am hoping that this trip of Yuri's is very fruitful. If he does talk to Mark, the Marine, I think it might be. She was calling, emailing and texting him right before she ditched the car. She supposedly had "something important" to tell him. She just may have and that will be very interesting. MOO

By the way, good morning everyone! :D

I think Casey was planning a get away to California and her "news" for Hawkins the Marine was that she was coming out to live with him...(he should thank his lucky stars THAT never happened)...then when her mother called asking aftre Caylee she'd always have an excuse, and be too far away to be checked on. If she had been able to do that, chances are Caylee's disappearance would have gone undiscovered for many more months. she could have told the Marine she was leaving Caylee with her parents...and told her parents she had Caylee with her.

As for Cindy Anthony....the only thing that came into my mind as I was watching a video compilation of her behavior was "the apple does not fall very far from the tree." Yes, it is certainly due to Cindy's putting the screws to Casey that we even know Caylee is missing, but everything that has come after that is enough to scramble the brains. The only thing I can figure is Casey has threatened them that if they speak out against her she will NEVER talk. Sorry Cindy, she isn't going to talk regardless...but then I keep thinking about that apple. Can't quite make up my mind.

[Jpanda]

The guy Casey talked to on the phone. I believe his name is Hawkins. He lives in California and Casey had something she wanted to tell him but wasn't sure how he's feel about it. Something to that effect. I believe LE want to find out everything they talked about and get a sworn written statement etc. JMO

Someone please help me out with a link so Froggy can read it please. TIA


You know, I always assumed that the big thing she had to tell him was that he was Caylee's father....but after hearing Padilla on NG last night, I'm wondering if maybe she was going to confess to him that there was an "accident" with Caylee....

This is just my opinion

[kakax]

Was Reasonable the poster who had her ID stolen? I didn't realize she lived in CA, thought she was in Florida. Now I understand why she didn't know the relationships between the cities.

:beer: That's coffee. Apparently I need MORE.

question: Have we gotten any updates about the torso found yesterday?


I think Reasonable was on last night. She hasn't heard if there is any connection with Casey yet.

The torso was not a child's torso.

[ruth66]

The fact that Casey had Caylee one day, then didn't have her the next combined withthe fact that she didn't report her missing for a month is enought to convict her of neglect, IMO. If Caylee had legitimately been kidnapped, and Casey did what she did (partied, told no one), that's a conviction.


Thank you for you response, I have watched so much coverage on this and every once in awhile a TH or just someone will make a comment about LE not being able to convict on child neglect. In my mind 2+2= 4 but I have wondered when I hear them talk why in the world she would not at least get some prison time...

[summer4meplz]

Here is her appearance in court...


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7442461&version=1&locale=EN-US

Short and not so sweet.

I don't think this is the entire hearing just the tail end of it because I didn't hear anything about no contact with Amy...but thanks for posting itlll

[kakax]

You know, I always assumed that the big thing she had to tell him was that he was Caylee's father....but after hearing Padilla on NG last night, I'm wondering if maybe she was going to confess to him that there was an "accident" with Caylee....

This is just my opinion

Didn't she say she had already told her brother and mom and didn't know how he would react?

Does anyone have a link to this myspace entry we have been talking about so much?

[kakax]

I don't think this is the entire hearing just the tail end of it because I didn't hear anything about no contact with Amy...but thanks for posting itlll



I'll see if I can find a longer one, but I did read that it last less than a minute.

[Joan Weiss]

Good Morning everyone! I have been following this case from day one and am so overwrought sometimes I could scream. :mad: It's nice to be here with you all. I can't imagine having a child "lose" a grandchild and then refusing to talk. She would be at my mercy until she told me exactly what happened. I would still love her, but she would take responsibility for this heinous crime. Too much covering up goes on nowadays to my liking. It's raising a generation with too many people that think the rules are made for everyone but them. JMHO

for Caylee, we hope to have you home soon darlin' :rose:Hi, Margo.

Jump right in, and welcome!

Caylee :rose:

[Rebel Rouzer]

whoa.....who's the marine dude? And association to the story, or possible association??

I'm clueless on this......

Mark Hawkins, a Marine stationed at 29 Palms

I'm looking for the link about him sorry havent found it yet.

[FeelinFroggy617]

The guy Casey talked to on the phone. I believe his name is Hawkins. He lives in California and Casey had something she wanted to tell him but wasn't sure how he's feel about it. Something to that effect. I believe LE want to find out everything they talked about and get a sworn written statement etc. JMO

Someone please help me out with a link so Froggy can read it please. TIA

Thank you Rebel!!! I heard his name mentioned on NG either last night or another night and I didn't recognize it at all!!! I hope someone can find a link.... if not, I'll look myself!! Appreciate your help!! :seeya:

[kakax]

I'll see if I can find a longer one, but I did read that it last less than a minute.


http://www.wftv.com/video/17484734/index.html This says raw video...

[Jpanda]

Didn't she say she had already told her brother and mom and didn't know how he would react?

Does anyone have a link to this myspace entry we have been talking about so much?

I would like a link too....I believe she did say that. My theory on this case is changing, I think.

jmo

[MyrDawn]

Does Baez always have that smirk on his face? Everytime I have seen coverage of him he has that same look....

IMO, defense attorneys like to appear confident when they're with their high profile clients and the media is there. They look more confident when they smile than they would if they were frowning or looking serious. If they did that, people would say they looked like they were worried so they must think their client is guilty. Geragos grinned a LOT during SP's trial, remember?
JMO

[WinnieLeigh7]

Same boat here.

Winnie - you hold her down and I'll frisk her. We'll split the take, huh?
:D

Deal!!

I'll take a 99% split and give you 1

:biggrin:

[FeelinFroggy617]

You know, I always assumed that the big thing she had to tell him was that he was Caylee's father....but after hearing Padilla on NG last night, I'm wondering if maybe she was going to confess to him that there was an "accident" with Caylee....

This is just my opinion


I'd be interested in seeing a picture of him. I don't think Caylee looks anything like Casey.

[kakax]

I would like a link too....I believe she did say that. My theory on this case is changing, I think.

jmo

I'll go poke around and see what I can find.

[rosejustrose]

Good mornin' Rose. :seeya:

I didn't mean to imply that I thought Casey might be found not guilty of child neglect or any of the other charges. I was just answering a question about how long and under what circumstances the LE could keep her on home confinement.

I was agreeing with you:) It was a rhetorical question. I just can't imagine any reasonable, sane person not finding her guilty of most, if not all charges. Her hearing this morning made me so angry.

[Joan Weiss]

Yep and don't forget George "stressed his concern that his daughter is holding back information. He and his wife (the defendant's mother) fear something may have happened to Caylee." (Page 3 of the 400 + released documents) jmoGood point. Now they're back-pedaling...imo

Caylee :rose:

[Rebel Rouzer]

You know, I always assumed that the big thing she had to tell him was that he was Caylee's father....but after hearing Padilla on NG last night, I'm wondering if maybe she was going to confess to him that there was an "accident" with Caylee....

This is just my opinion

My personal theory is that she was going to tell him she wanted to come live with him or in California and she was leaving Caylee with Cindy. My reason for his thinking is. Casey told him she didn't know how he was going to feel about it but she had already told her parents etc.

She shows up in California with no Caylee and nobody has to know a thing because Casey IMO was going to tell Cindy her and Caylee were moving to California.Her butt's covered as to any questions about "Where's Caylee?"

Just a personal theory. Guess we might find out at trial or might not.

[rosejustrose]

I still just don't get it.

If they know she is dead, why are they going to Cali?
There is a part of me that thinks that they don't have evidence of a dead Caylee and threw it out there because they were not able to crack Casey, and they thought if they said that, she would talk. moo

Good morning, CB:seeya: I thought they were going to Cali to get a signed, sworn affadavit from the marine that Casey was talking to daily before her arrest.:shrug:

[Jpanda]

I'll go poke around and see what I can find.

I will too, except that I can't access myspace from work....I'll try to find the posts referencing this whole thing though.

Something is telling me that there very well may be some light that this Hawkins guy can shed on this whole case, and maybe that is why LE is going out to talk to him. (I don't know that they are going to talk to him as a fact, just speculating)

jmo

O/T - Can someone please PM me and let me know how to refresh the page so it goes to the last post, and not just to MY last post? It's becoming quite annoying. TIA.

[MamaDudosa]

The fact that Casey had Caylee one day, then didn't have her the next combined withthe fact that she didn't report her missing for a month is enought to convict her of neglect, IMO. If Caylee had legitimately been kidnapped, and Casey did what she did (partied, told no one), that's a conviction.

Do you think she could have travelled to California during that month?

[Joan Weiss]

I'd be interested in seeing a picture of him. I don't think Caylee looks anything like Casey.I haven't seen a pic of him, but I think she looks exactly like JP Chatt. I recall someone saying the father's family was wealthy. I believe the Chatts are, but I don't have a link to support that. imo

[summer4meplz]

I'll see if I can find a longer one, but I did read that it last less than a minute.


thanks kakax, don't go to any trouble....

[MyrDawn]

I was agreeing with you:) It was a rhetorical question. I just can't imagine any reasonable, sane person not finding her guilty of most, if not all charges. Her hearing this morning made me so angry.

I re-read my post and I just wanted to make sure nobody thought I might think Casey was innocent. YIPES!
:beer:

[Jpanda]

My personal theory is that she was going to tell him she wanted to come live with him or in California and she was leaving Caylee with Cindy. My reason for his thinking is. Casey told him she didn't know how he was going to feel about it but she had already told her parents etc.

She shows up in California with no Caylee and nobody has to know a thing because Casey IMO was going to tell Cindy her and Caylee were moving to California.Her butt's covered as to any questions about "Where's Caylee?"

Just a personal theory. Guess we might find out at trial or might not.


I believe that's a good theory indeed.

jmo

[Rebel Rouzer]

Thank you Rebel!!! I heard his name mentioned on NG either last night or another night and I didn't recognize it at all!!! I hope someone can find a link.... if not, I'll look myself!! Appreciate your help!! :seeya:

Mark Hawkins, a Marine stationed at 29 Palms

Still looking for the information about him. I should have things in a folder and organized for this case. Sadly I don't.

[101Spots]

He looks like an idiot smiling like that
JMO of course

Something like this? :biggrin:

[Joan Weiss]

I will too, except that I can't access myspace from work....I'll try to find the posts referencing this whole thing though.

Something is telling me that there very well may be some light that this Hawkins guy can shed on this whole case, and maybe that is why LE is going out to talk to him. (I don't know that they are going to talk to him as a fact, just speculating)

jmo

O/T - Can someone please PM me and let me know how to refresh the page so it goes to the last post, and not just to MY last post? It's becoming quite annoying. TIA.Scroll down to the last post and hit F-5.

Justice for Caylee :rose:

[FeelinFroggy617]

My personal theory is that she was going to tell him she wanted to come live with him or in California and she was leaving Caylee with Cindy. My reason for his thinking is. Casey told him she didn't know how he was going to feel about it but she had already told her parents etc.

She shows up in California with no Caylee and nobody has to know a thing because Casey IMO was going to tell Cindy her and Caylee were moving to California.Her butt's covered as to any questions about "Where's Caylee?"

Just a personal theory. Guess we might find out at trial or might not.


The only thing I don't understand about this Marine is.... I thought she was soooo happy with with Tony??? She was always at his house anyway and the roommate said on an interview how he thought they were getting serious. This is the most bizarre case and I can't get it out of my head. I just want them to find Caylee.

[MyrDawn]

Good point. Now they're back-pedaling...imo

Caylee :rose:

IMO, it's more like a motorcycle in reverse with the thottle at full speed.

[Joan Weiss]

Do you think she could have travelled to California during that month?No, Tony and his roommates already told LE she was with them. Previous to that, she was with Ricardo and Amy, IIRC. imo

[rosejustrose]

Baez wears that same stupid grin as the rest of the Anthony's .. :rolleyes:

Must be the brownies!

[MyrDawn]

He looks like an idiot smiling like that
JMO of course

Phoney smiles always look idiotic to me!
:D

[barskin&co.]

My personal theory is that she was going to tell him she wanted to come live with him or in California and she was leaving Caylee with Cindy. My reason for his thinking is. Casey told him she didn't know how he was going to feel about it but she had already told her parents etc.

She shows up in California with no Caylee and nobody has to know a thing because Casey IMO was going to tell Cindy her and Caylee were moving to California.Her butt's covered as to any questions about "Where's Caylee?"

Just a personal theory. Guess we might find out at trial or might not.


That's a good theory, Rebel!!

[Jpanda]

The only thing I don't understand about this Marine is.... I thought she was soooo happy with with Tony??? She was always at his house anyway and the roommate said on an interview how he thought they were getting serious. This is the most bizarre case and I can't get it out of my head. I just want them to find Caylee.

I don't get that either, but knowing what we know about her, I can believe that she could detach herself from him in a second.

jmo

O/T - Thanks Joan! :)

[OneUp]

It says they are looking for clues. I assume that means that they want to talk to witnesses. Especially the young man she said she needed to talk to about something. JMO.It was reported by Mark Hawkins that she spoke to or texted him daily ( or nearly daily) beginning about a week before 6/17/08 ( Caylees approx. date of disappearance). He was somehow important to Casey at that time, therefore he is important for LE to check out thoroughly
Casey contacted himout of the blue for some reason. She doesn't plan far in advance, but what she does seems very calculated and purposeful.
JMO.

[warrkat]

I'd be interested in seeing a picture of him. I don't think Caylee looks anything like Casey.

I had a picture, but the link came from another forum, and I wasn't positive that it was the right guy, so didn't think it was a good idea to post it. He was young, looked happy and relaxed in the picture. Very nice-looking, imo.

[101Spots]

IMO, it's more like a motorcycle in reverse with the thottle at full speed.

Motorcycles don't have a reverse. Maybe an ATV of a bad-a$$ lawn tractor?

[ruth66]

I thought the neglect charges stemmed from the fact that she didn't report her missing....

hmmm..so does that mean that if (big if) they didn't find her guilty on the neglect charge, even if Caylee is not found that fact alone is not enough to prove neglect of some sort? Is it just called neglect for that purpose and that purpose alone? anyone?

[rosejustrose]

IMO they are going to Cali t talk to the Marine dude and Pdilla and possibly check out tips that were given. If LE fails to investigate leads and tips of a live Caylee. The defense will eat them alive come trial and try and prove tynnel vision and targeting Casey from the get go. Failing to do a thorough investigation. They have to check out tips and leads that come in especially if they are tips turned in by defense so they can rule them out. It happens in many cases where they know the person is dead but they check up on leads and tips anyway. They don't want to chance a mistrial due to not following leads. Especially in a case without a body YET. IMO

Maybe there's a company in Cali that sells chloroform via the internet and LE wants to check their records. JMO.

[OneUp]

The guy Casey talked to on the phone. I believe his name is Hawkins. He lives in California and Casey had something she wanted to tell him but wasn't sure how he's feel about it. Something to that effect. I believe LE want to find out everything they talked about and get a sworn written statement etc. JMO

Someone please help me out with a link so Froggy can read it please. TIARegarding Mark H. and others in this case, try this:

Index & Persons of 400pg Official Documents w/Links

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=340038

[Boxer]

I agree but I think it was more than Cindy telling Casey to get out and be responsible. I think Cindy told Casey to get out, get a job, take care of herself but that Caylee was staying and that Cindy was going for custody. In Casey's mind that would probably mean she was being replaced by Caylee and that's why she snapped and killed that poor little baby. I don't think Cindy ever intended to let Caylee leave that house with Casey. JMO.

I agree totally. In the videos and pictures, it seems that Caylee had been given lots of material things. Toys, cute clothes etc. I bet Cindy never came home from shopping without some item for Caylee, even if it was something small as a book or a Polly Pocket or some little treat. Bet Casey felt so left out of the loop. Jealousy is wicked, that's for sure. Seems like even her 'friends' may have like Caylee better than her.

[Margo555]

Does Baez always have that smirk on his face? Everytime I have seen coverage of him he has that same look....

It sort of looks like a fake grin lately to me. I wonder if he's seeing the handwriting on the outhouse? Earlier it was always seeming to be one of those blankety blank grins that makes you want to wipe it off his face. JMHO

[Joan Weiss]

So depressing- on NG last night they said she could end up w/ 6 mos jail and 5 yrs probation on what they have already charged her with. Apparenty, the 67 years she is facing is a bunch of wishful thinking.
They brought up that this is her "first offense".
She sure picked a dilly of a crime to get her "first time" breaking the law business. And its not the first time she has broken the law, its just that LE never knew (about the huge amt of money from the grandparents account) about it. So not a criminal because she doesn't have a record in her case to me is she just didn't get caught. You know, she would have prob. never have gotten into any trouble due to the stealing of the grandparents NH fund. Cindy talked GP out of that and dipped into her 401k to cover it. Wonder if she expected Casey to pay her back? Maybe thats why she and Casey had the fight on Fathers
day??????I don't claim to know the law, but I think those THs didn't review FLA statutes. According to this link, multiple felony convictions automatically demand heavier penalties. You have to click on all the blue numbers, and read... imo


http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=ch0812/Sec014.HTM

[MamaDudosa]

No, Tony and his roommates already told LE she was with them. Previous to that, she was with Ricardo and Amy, IIRC. imo

Hi Joan :seeya:
I thought she lived there for a week or so (with Tony). So many dates, this is very confusing.:(

[rosejustrose]

I think the State can step up and say they are withdrawing the neglect charge at court. I'm not so sure they will. It really matters on how they are proving neglect...they may have info. which we do not about neglect...not only neglect by failing to report that Caylee is missing.
They only must prove that Caylee was neglected in ways having nothing to do with her eventual death. Casey can face neglect AND homicide, just not if this instance of neglect led directly to Caylees death. I think this is one defining factor that has LE wanting to locate Caylee before filing further charges, and before Nov. if they can.
Parents can and do neglect their children in many ways which do not lead to their deaths...we just don't know what evidence or testimony may exist that we have not seen. I know there are interviews conducted which we have yet to see. They are alluded to in the documents which were released. For example, Casye's Great grandmother. LE says they confirmed Caylee's visit to the NH on Fathers day with the G-Gma, but there is no accompanying interview. Things like that make me believe that LE has kept a tight lid on the facts and has only allowed things they wanted "leaked" to be released.
JMO.

Would the child neglect and murder charges be mutually exclusive in FL? IMO, one led directly to the other with depraved indifference thrown in for good measure. JMHO>

[MyrDawn]

I like it too!

Same here. Rebel's been wearing a thinking cap!

Hey, it could explain where some of that $ she stole went.
JMO

[barskin&co.]

The only thing I don't understand about this Marine is.... I thought she was soooo happy with with Tony??? She was always at his house anyway and the roommate said on an interview how he thought they were getting serious. This is the most bizarre case and I can't get it out of my head. I just want them to find Caylee.

I still think Tony represented to her a guy with an apartment where she could crash. That's why she was always at his house- she was homeless, in effect, after June 16. I also think that she was so anxious to speak to him after she was jailed because she needed to do damage control.

This is just like people thinking she looked so happy with Caylee. It wasn't real. She doesn't have the capacity.

[desmom]

I am still bugged about what ID Casey used in Target to write a check- her own DL? Or Amys ID? I would think Amy would have her photo ID on her since she was out of the country @ the time of Caseys thievery.

And someone please tell me, did Casey buy a bunch of tickets to PR with her moms CC, including Amys trip? tia

Per http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0903/17382646.pdf when Casey wrote check #143 to the Target in Winter Garden a FL DL was presented as ID and was captured on the back of the check. The FL DL was Casey's.

I was trying to figure out why they would take an ID when the name on the check would not match the name on the DL. I noticed all the checks were under #150. IMO, this was a new account. I asked a neighbor, who works for a bank, how many checks are given to new customers. He said it depends on the bank. Some give 25 checks and some give 50 checks. His bank issues a book of 50 checks and they are numbered 101-150. jmo

[kakax]

My personal theory is that she was going to tell him she wanted to come live with him or in California and she was leaving Caylee with Cindy. My reason for his thinking is. Casey told him she didn't know how he was going to feel about it but she had already told her parents etc.

She shows up in California with no Caylee and nobody has to know a thing because Casey IMO was going to tell Cindy her and Caylee were moving to California.Her butt's covered as to any questions about "Where's Caylee?"

Just a personal theory. Guess we might find out at trial or might not.



Hmmm, that sounds plausible.

[Pruddennce]

You know, I always assumed that the big thing she had to tell him was that he was Caylee's father....but after hearing Padilla on NG last night, I'm wondering if maybe she was going to confess to him that there was an "accident" with Caylee....

This is just my opinion

hmm, I disagree given the fact that he told LE the conversation went like this: 'she already told her mother and Lee'..

I dont believe she told her mother and lee anything about Caylee...no way.

I think she was going to split from florida, but not necessarily go to California. (Hawkins: I doubt he would be able to do anything for her and be available to her)....

she expressed thoughts of going to California, but notice she had no sense of urgency...most psychopaths dont....Caylee was missing, she unloaded the car, she had money to get on a train, a plane, etc.

IMO

but she didnt. she was busy getting tattoos.

best regards,
Pru

[ruth66]

IMO, defense attorneys like to appear confident when they're with their high profile clients and the media is there. They look more confident when they smile than they would if they were frowning or looking serious. If they did that, people would say they looked like they were worried so they must think their client is guilty. Geragos grinned a LOT during SP's trial, remember?
JMO

Yes I remember, it is like a "drunken wake" look. Can't explain it but like "Hey I just woke up and here we are" kind of thing.
Personally, I would hope my attorney would have a serious-poker face on. No need to frown, just look like you know that everything is going to be o.k.....convince me the client....everything is going to be o.k.

[Joan Weiss]

hmmm..so does that mean that if (big if) they didn't find her guilty on the neglect charge, even if Caylee is not found that fact alone is not enough to prove neglect of some sort? Is it just called neglect for that purpose and that purpose alone? anyone?No, imo. Casey admitted in her interview with LE that she didn't call LE when Caylee went missing, in fact she admitted she didn't call anyone. That's huge. She will be convicted on the neglect charge. imo

[barskin&co.]

Would the child neglect and murder charges be mutually exclusive in FL? IMO, one led directly to the other with depraved indifference thrown in for good measure. JMHO>

I don't think so, but frankly, I thnk she wil be charged with murder before she goes to trial for neglect.

Meanwhile, they have her dead to rights on all the check charges and filing a false police report (remember, she handwrote and signed a work of fiction early in the morning on July 16).

[Joan Weiss]

Yes I remember, it is like a "drunken wake" look. Can't explain it but like "Hey I just woke up and here we are" kind of thing.
Personally, I would hope my attorney would have a serious-poker face on. No need to frown, just look like you know that everything is going to be o.k.....convince me the client....everything is going to be o.k.Absolutely. He's not doing his client any favors, imo. This is serious business. Going around like the cat that ate the canary is very bad for his client, image wise. imo

[OneUp]

I agree but I think it was more than Cindy telling Casey to get out and be responsible. I think Cindy told Casey to get out, get a job, take care of herself but that Caylee was staying and that Cindy was going for custody. In Casey's mind that would probably mean she was being replaced by Caylee and that's why she snapped and killed that poor little baby. I don't think Cindy ever intended to let Caylee leave that house with Casey. JMO.Speaking based upon my personal experience, I feel that jealousy of Caylee and jealousy over Caylee played a big part in the events.
I think the actual act, however, was most likely begun in a reactive moment of rage over something Caylee said or did. Even with George and Cindy possibly refusing to support Casey any longer, there are ways in which Caylee was still a benefit for Casey to have. If she had taken time to think, I believe she would have realized that she could receive State support, possibly finally go for Child support, and continue to get attention etc. with Caylee. I'm sure she thought she could bring George and Cindy around to helping her again. Not only has she in fact done so, but she probably has gotten back into their good graces more than once before.
I could be persuaded to go with premeditated or an accident ( least likely based upon the odds, etc. IMO)...but my thoughts favor a reactive event resulting in death or devastating injury to Caylee.
Casey is immature enough to respond to Caylee with a violent temper tantrum, and they are hardly evenly matched...physical agression by Casey would have a devastating effect on Caylee's tiny person.
Always, JMO.

[Pruddennce]

Per http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0903/17382646.pdf when Casey wrote check #143 to the Target in Winter Garden a FL DL was presented as ID and was captured on the back of the check. The FL DL was Casey's.

I was trying to figure out why they would take an ID when the name on the check would not match the name on the DL. I noticed all the checks were under #150. IMO, this was a new account. I asked a neighbor, who works for a bank, how many checks are given to new customers. He said it depends on the bank. Some give 25 checks and some give 50 checks. His bank issues a book of 50 checks and they are numbered 101-150. jmo

do you mean starter checks given before the printed checks arrive?

best regards,
Pru

[MyrDawn]

Yes I remember, it is like a "drunken wake" look. Can't explain it but like "Hey I just woke up and here we are" kind of thing.
Personally, I would hope my attorney would have a serious-poker face on. No need to frown, just look like you know that everything is going to be o.k.....convince me the client....everything is going to be o.k.

You nailed it! :)

On some, those idiotic grins make them look embarrassed. I put Baez in that category.

[Joan Weiss]

In the video link I heard that Baez said she had "one low-grade felony"
WTH?

Thank you for the link-That's absurd. She has over 10 felony charges. Maybe he forgot to add "right now." imo

[ruth66]

My personal theory is that she was going to tell him she wanted to come live with him or in California and she was leaving Caylee with Cindy. My reason for his thinking is. Casey told him she didn't know how he was going to feel about it but she had already told her parents etc.

She shows up in California with no Caylee and nobody has to know a thing because Casey IMO was going to tell Cindy her and Caylee were moving to California.Her butt's covered as to any questions about "Where's Caylee?"

Just a personal theory. Guess we might find out at trial or might not.

I think you are on to something....Casey surely couldn't have thought she was going to get away with stealing from her friend and then also keep CA & GA from finding out Caylee was missing. She was going to need to flee eventually. Keeping in mind she had no vehicle..she was almost certainly about to be in a "pinch" real soon and needed to get out.....

[desmom]

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony has posted the $1,250 bond a judge set Tuesday morning after her third arrest since her daughter, Caylee, was reported missing.

She is expected to be released from the Orange County Jail shortly.

Anthony turned herself in on charges of petty theft, forgery and criminal use of personal identification on Monday. The charges are again connected to Anthony allegedly stealing from her friend.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17482537/detail.html

She must still be there. http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html is focused on the jail.

[MyrDawn]

That's absurd. She has over 10 felony charges. Maybe he forgot to add "right now." imo

Maybe he meant one low-grade felony and a bunch of high-grade ones. :D

[OneUp]

You know, I always assumed that the big thing she had to tell him was that he was Caylee's father....but after hearing Padilla on NG last night, I'm wondering if maybe she was going to confess to him that there was an "accident" with Caylee....

This is just my opinionPerhaps it began with a plan to do the first, and ended as a plan to do the second?
JMO.

[FeelinFroggy617]

She must still be there. http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html is focused on the jail.


I've been watching! She's probably inside making sure she gets her rosary back! :tongue:

[Joan Weiss]

hmm, I disagree given the fact that he told LE the conversation went like this: 'she already told her mother and Lee'..

I dont believe she told her mother and lee anything about Caylee...no way.

I think she was going to split from florida, but not necessarily go to California. (Hawkins: I doubt he would be able to do anything for her and be available to her)....

she expressed thoughts of going to California, but notice she had no sense of urgency...most psychopaths dont....Caylee was missing, she unloaded the car, she had money to get on a train, a plane, etc.

IMO

but she didnt. she was busy getting tattoos.

best regards,
PruTotal air-head, imo. I think she didn't even consider that she was in big trouble. Blowing around in the wind...imo

[MyrDawn]

FoxNews said...just ahead...what happened with Casey in court this AM with video, for those that missed it.

[barskin&co.]

Hi Joan :seeya:
I thought she lived there for a week or so (with Tony). So many dates, this is very confusing.:(
She, in effect, moved in on or about June 16. Tony went to New York on June 30 and was gone for a few days. Then, she had to mooch around elsewhere until he got back, at which time she went back to Tony's until Cindy tracked her down on July 15.

[OneUp]

Didn't she say she had already told her brother and mom and didn't know how he would react?

Does anyone have a link to this myspace entry we have been talking about so much?
"mark i wish i was a super hero so i could find caylee "
http://www.myspace.com/57156371
It is set to private.
:(That statement on the "public" portion of his page is sweet though. Obviously he knew Caylee.
I posted some other info. on one of the first three pages of this thread.

[warrkat]

Per http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0903/17382646.pdf when Casey wrote check #143 to the Target in Winter Garden a FL DL was presented as ID and was captured on the back of the check. The FL DL was Casey's.

I was trying to figure out why they would take an ID when the name on the check would not match the name on the DL. I noticed all the checks were under #150. IMO, this was a new account. I asked a neighbor, who works for a bank, how many checks are given to new customers. He said it depends on the bank. Some give 25 checks and some give 50 checks. His bank issues a book of 50 checks and they are numbered 101-150. jmo

Do we know that the check at Target was written from Amy's account? I wonder if somehow she was able to empty Amy's account and set up one of her own? #143 would be a relatively new account. If she did, then when she wrote the check at Target, and showed her own DL, she really wasn't doing something illegal....... unless, of course, there was no money left in her "new" account. Still a crime, but not as bad as taking the money from someone else.

BTW, my bank will start the numbering wherever the customer wants it. Some stores won't take checks numbered less than #300, so many people ask to start with that number.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I still think Tony represented to her a guy with an apartment where she could crash. That's why she was always at his house- she was homeless, in effect, after June 16. I also think that she was so anxious to speak to him after she was jailed because she needed to do damage control.

This is just like people thinking she looked so happy with Caylee. It wasn't real. She doesn't have the capacity.


I think she was using Tony like she used everyone else. I agree she was going to try and do damage control with Tony after she was jailed. IMO

[darcie]

I think moderators, administrators and board owners have better things to do like smack around those that don't follow the terms of service. JMO.


Experience speaking?

Just curious.

[Broderick]

That's absurd. She has over 10 felony charges. Maybe he forgot to add "right now." imo

In any normal situation, a slew of low level frauds would be reduced down to a guilty plea on perhaps one felony and perhaps restitution. 1-3 years tops, out in 6 months perhaps. This is not a case where someone has a history of being arrested, charged and convicted of crimes more importantly similar economic crimes. Nothing about this is normal, but really we can't put the economic crimes in with the neglect charges or the investigation on death.

Anyone who thinks these economic charges mean 67 years in prison are buying into media sensationalism and wishful thinking, imo.

[FrankieBones1]

Shannon Butler is reporting live for Fox. She is outside the courthouse saying that they are waiting to see if Casey will be released this morning.

[barskin&co.]

Okay, reporters are at the jail, waiting for her to be released.

It's Groundhog Day!!!!

[Joan Weiss]

Same boat here.

Winnie - you hold her down and I'll frisk her. We'll split the take, huh?
:D

Deal!!

I'll take a 99% split and give you 1

:biggrin:Hee, ex-loss prevention detective here. Don't mess with my big-girl panties! :biggrin:

[Broderick]

Experience speaking?

Just curious.

Yes........

[Joan Weiss]

Shannon Butler is reporting live for Fox. She is outside the courthouse saying that they are waiting to see if Casey will be released this morning.

Okay, reporters are at the jail, waiting for her to be released.

It's Groundhog Day!!!!Thank you. :seeya:

I hope they get on with it, I have to leave shortly.

[martha]

Is casey still in jail? I have been off because of a tooth and have not felt like reading all the post. I hope she stays in jail. everything was quite at the anthony house last nigth or what i seen of it. Everyone will be better off if she stays in the jail. now they may have trouble at the jail since she is making out with all the men there. her lawyer may miss her not being with him everyday. I wish they would find something goood to charge her with killing caylee. guess that is not going to happen since she waited so long to even tell she is missing.jmho:rose:

[OneUp]

My personal theory is that she was going to tell him she wanted to come live with him or in California and she was leaving Caylee with Cindy. My reason for his thinking is. Casey told him she didn't know how he was going to feel about it but she had already told her parents etc.

She shows up in California with no Caylee and nobody has to know a thing because Casey IMO was going to tell Cindy her and Caylee were moving to California.Her butt's covered as to any questions about "Where's Caylee?"

Just a personal theory. Guess we might find out at trial or might not.This sounds alot like what iIm thinking, but I believe the actual message she left for him was first left around 6/9 ( can't find the link @ the moment). I think the initial plan was either to leave Caylee there in Florida or to take her with and suggest that he was Caylees dad.
He HAS known her long enough to be a possibility, but I don't know that he has "known" her at all. I'm sure he would know the answer to that. His business and LE's IMO, for now at least.
JMO.

[barskin&co.]

In any normal situation, a slew of low level frauds would be reduced down to a guilty plea on perhaps one felony and perhaps restitution. 1-3 years tops, out in 6 months perhaps. This is not a case where someone has a history of being arrested, charged and convicted of crimes more importantly similar economic crimes. Nothing about this is normal, but really we can't put the economic crimes in with the neglect charges or the investigation on death.

Anyone who thinks these economic charges mean 67 years in prison are buying into media sensationalism and wishful thinking, imo.

No, I don't think we really believe she will be sentenced to half a century plus for these charges. Ten Four!

[Rebel Rouzer]

I think you are on to something....Casey surely couldn't have thought she was going to get away with stealing from her friend and then also keep CA & GA from finding out Caylee was missing. She was going to need to flee eventually. Keeping in mind she had no vehicle..she was almost certainly about to be in a "pinch" real soon and needed to get out.....

I have a question that I am hoping might be answered during one of the court dates.
Casey used Amy's ID for writing bad checks and other things. Could she have gotten a plane ticket or had planned on getting a ticket to Cali using Amy's ID?

So many questions in this case.

[MyrDawn]

Is casey still in jail? I have been off because of a tooth and have not felt like reading all the post. I hope she stays in jail. everything was quite at the anthony house last nigth or what i seen of it. Everyone will be better off if she stays in the jail. now they may have trouble at the jail since she is making out with all the men there. her lawyer may miss her not being with him everyday. I wish they would find something goood to charge her with killing caylee. guess that is not going to happen since she waited so long to even tell she is missing.jmho:rose:

She's posted bond on the new charges and should be released shortly. Here's a link to the web cam at the jail:
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

[FrankieBones1]

In the video link I heard that Baez said she had "one low-grade felony"
WTH?

Thank you for the link-

Sounds like he is describing a fever. A defense attorney/guest on Nancy's show last night called Casey's crimes 'misdemeanors'.

I doubt she'll ever do sixty seven years for 10 felony counts but the judge should at least make her do five. In the meantime, LE can keep building a solid murder case against her.

[Jpanda]

I think those reporters at the jail may have some wait time. Greta just posted on her blog that she's expected to get out "mid-afternoon."

Don't know if that's accurate, but just in case some folks are waiting to run errands or eat lunch or whatever. :D

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

[day2day]

Mornin everyone and because this day is for Caylee, i will be nice.
I just got done watching JB's press conference.

Mr. Baez...
Please..talk to your client. Certainly you can talk her into telling the truth. You say she is "focused". Can you please "focus" her on the search for her daughter?

Thanks...


jmo

[ruth66]

No, imo. Casey admitted in her interview with LE that she didn't call LE when Caylee went missing, in fact she admitted she didn't call anyone. That's huge. She will be convicted on the neglect charge. imo


I like the sound of that...let's hope she gets the punishment she has so rightfully earned.:seeya:

[Regina.Lampert]

Speaking based upon my personal experience, I feel that jealousy of Caylee and jealousy over Caylee played a big part in the events.
I think the actual act, however, was most likely begun in a reactive moment of rage over something Caylee said or did. Even with George and Cindy possibly refusing to support Casey any longer, there are ways in which Caylee was still a benefit for Casey to have. If she had taken time to think, I believe she would have realized that she could receive State support, possibly finally go for Child support, and continue to get attention etc. with Caylee. I'm sure she thought she could bring George and Cindy around to helping her again. Not only has she in fact done so, but she probably has gotten back into their good graces more than once before.
I could be persuaded to go with premeditated or an accident ( least likely based upon the odds, etc. IMO)...but my thoughts favor a reactive event resulting in death or devastating injury to Caylee.
Casey is immature enough to respond to Caylee with a violent temper tantrum, and they are hardly evenly matched...physical agression by Casey would have a devastating effect on Caylee's tiny person.
Always, JMO.

I think cynthia kicked casey out, never dreaming that she would also take Caylee. casey took Caylee to spite and hurt cynthia.

Once out of the house, she realized what a burden Caylee was since she had no one to babysit Caylee at night when she wanted to go clubbing. So, she used the chloroform to sedate Caylee, possibly putting her in the trunk of her car where she died.

[Joan Weiss]

I still think Tony represented to her a guy with an apartment where she could crash. That's why she was always at his house- she was homeless, in effect, after June 16. I also think that she was so anxious to speak to him after she was jailed because she needed to do damage control.

This is just like people thinking she looked so happy with Caylee. It wasn't real. She doesn't have the capacity.Lots of men in that house, too. So far three roomies, a veritable feast for an air-head. imo

[Mandysmom]

Do you know that she did?

We can go on and on about this, but it'll get real old real fast.

:rolleyes:

I believe if she had done any of this, we would have known about it. She would have made darn sure that we knew she was out searching. lol

:seeya:

[OneUp]

The only thing I don't understand about this Marine is.... I thought she was soooo happy with with Tony??? She was always at his house anyway and the roommate said on an interview how he thought they were getting serious. This is the most bizarre case and I can't get it out of my head. I just want them to find Caylee.
I felt that TonE's own statements in his police interview indicated that he was not serious about her and wanted her to "get" that. He seemed to purposely distance himself on his trip to NY...and he had only been seeing her for about a month and a half.
I think she may have wanted him to be serious, but realized it wasn't going as well as she wanted.
JMO.

[aubrey04]

I didn't see that sticky. Must have been on a trial or a case that I didn't follow.

Nope. It was on this forum..the Caylee Anthony forum, Frankie. But sometimes CW doesn't leave them up for long, so people who aren't on that day -- don't know any better. I just happened to be on here the day it was posted, I guess?

[Jpanda]

I think cynthia kicked casey out, never dreaming that she would also take Caylee. casey took Caylee to spite and hurt cynthia.

Once out of the house, she realized what a burden Caylee was since she had no one to babysit Caylee at night when she wanted to go clubbing. So, she used the chloroform to sedate Caylee, possibly putting her in the trunk of her car where she died.



I think you might be right, because where in the world WAS Caylee while Casey was sleeping at TonE's during that time period? We know she wasn't at the GP's.

jmo

[OneUp]

Did you see his quote? "I'm drowning with weights around my neck"

Gave me a chill up my spine. (made me think of the Peterson case)I thought it might have to do with part of his marine training. Arent they required to swim carrying their gear?...maybe trained for some water rescue too?
Where is that marine mom?:D I bet she would have an answer.
JMO.

[101Spots]

Hee, ex-loss prevention detective here. Don't mess with my big-girl panties! :biggrin:

We're not after your *panties*. Fork over the dough and you get to keep 'em! :D

[desmom]

do you mean starter checks given before the printed checks arrive?

best regards,
Pru


Thanks~ I am still working on coffee this morning and for the life of me I could not think of "starter" checks.

Back to the coffee~:seeya:

[Boxer]

I don't think any of her felony charges are higher than 3rd degree at this point. I think they will consolidate all of these check charges.

[happy2bme]

I didn't see that sticky. Must have been on a trial or a case that I didn't follow.


IIRC...You can post a link to other message boards only.

[Broderick]

No, I don't think we really believe she will be sentenced to half a century plus for these charges. Ten Four!

I was agreeing on Baez's assumption. He is correct and he has a challenge defending his client, albeit with a clown face which doesn't suit him. I feel slimey watching him. Makes me want to clownstomp that grin.

[EGirl]

I believe if she had done any of this, we would have known about it. She would have made darn sure that we knew she was out searching. lol

:seeya:

I agree 100%! :beer:

[purplepoints]

I think you might be right, because where in the world WAS Caylee while Casey was sleeping at TonE's during that time period? We know she wasn't at the GP's.

jmo

IMO I think Caylee was already dead at that point.

[101Spots]

I was agreeing on Baez's assumption. He is correct and he has a challenge defending his client, albeit with a clown face which doesn't suit him. I feel slimey watching him. Makes me want to clownstomp that grin.

Makes me want to take a shower.

I agree that everyone charged with a crime should have a defense lawyer, but how do these guys live with themselves? I couldn't do it.

[desmom]

Do we know that the check at Target was written from Amy's account? I wonder if somehow she was able to empty Amy's account and set up one of her own? #143 would be a relatively new account. If she did, then when she wrote the check at Target, and showed her own DL, she really wasn't doing something illegal....... unless, of course, there was no money left in her "new" account. Still a crime, but not as bad as taking the money from someone else.

BTW, my bank will start the numbering wherever the customer wants it. Some stores won't take checks numbered less than #300, so many people ask to start with that number.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0903/17382646.pdf

Check was from Amy's account. ID presented and captured on the back of the check. ID belonged to Casey Anthony. Target also provided LE with a copy of the purchase receipt, check, photos, video and a sworn statement by the cashier.

jmo

[ruth66]

I have a question that I am hoping might be answered during one of the court dates.
Casey used Amy's ID for writing bad checks and other things. Could she have gotten a plane ticket or had planned on getting a ticket to Cali using Amy's ID?

So many questions in this case.

Here is my thinking....When writing a check at Target or Winn Dixie you can always get "cash" out with your check. Could she have possibly been getting cash with her purchases (not alot at once but several checks were used) to use towards a plane ticket or other mode of transportation. Her delay in leaving may have been in funding her travel. Also, could she have been purchasing items at Target and then returning them in order to get cash refunds (have family who work retail and say this happens all the time). If she spent all that money at Target she should have some merchandise to show for it. Please keep in mind these are just scenarios I am throwing out, don't want anyone to think I am accusing anyone of anything.

so many questions I agree

[WinnieLeigh7]

hmm, I disagree given the fact that he told LE the conversation went like this: 'she already told her mother and Lee'..

I dont believe she told her mother and lee anything about Caylee...no way.

I think she was going to split from florida, but not necessarily go to California. (Hawkins: I doubt he would be able to do anything for her and be available to her)....

she expressed thoughts of going to California, but notice she had no sense of urgency...most psychopaths dont....Caylee was missing, she unloaded the car, she had money to get on a train, a plane, etc.

IMO

but she didnt. she was busy getting tattoos.

best regards,
Pru


She asked Lee about Chicago too IIRC

unsure of what meaning was behind that

[OneUp]

Would the child neglect and murder charges be mutually exclusive in FL? IMO, one led directly to the other with depraved indifference thrown in for good measure. JMHO>
IDK. Obviously neglect CAN lead to death. But neglect can also cover a broad spectrum of other things too...everything from leaving a child home alone to malnutrition, failing to sek medical care, and much worse.
I do wonder if they can prove neglect OTHER than by not reporting her missing? Maybe testimony about leaving her here and there or putting her on a couch at parties ( sometimes neglect vs. abuse is in how you write it up), or leaving her out in the car at times? If they can prove some significant other instances of neglect, they can charge on those IMO. Parents do neglect thier children and get charged with that, and leter in seperate instances neglect them further in a way which leads to death.
JMO. I hope this helps clarify.

[warrkat]

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0903/17382646.pdf

Check was from Amy's account. ID presented and captured on the back of the check. ID belonged to Casey Anthony. Target also provided LE with a copy of the purchase receipt, check, photos, video and a sworn statement by the cashier.

jmo

thx, I missed that detail.

Sorry, Casey, I'm tryin' to help...... work with me, girl.

[marinewife5]

FWIW, Mark returned from a deployment in February of 2007. All that really establishes is a time frame he wasn't around casey, and that he likes salami and cheese (per the article)
http://www.marines.mil/units/mciwest/mcasyuma/Pages/2007/OCTContentSorted1.aspx

[crymeariver2006]

Sounds like he is describing a fever. A defense attorney/guest on Nancy's show last night called Casey's crimes 'misdemeanors'.

I doubt she'll ever do sixty seven years for 10 felony counts but the judge should at least make her do five. In the meantime, LE can keep building a solid murder case against her.


A trial date has already been set for the neglect/lying case.

There hasn't been one for the first 10 fraud charges, has there?

Seems like she will have two separate trials, now three unless Baez can convince the court to combine the last two sets of charges. That would mean that she could very well receive one felony conviction in the first trial, then at the second she would already have one felony conviction under her belt, any additional felony convictions wouldn't receive much leniency I wouldn't think. Granted it won't amount to 67 years, however, I don't think she'll be given six months, especially if she receives conviction on 10 more felony charges.

In the end, if all they do is charge her with manslaughter, based on the previous felony convictions (if there's at least two), she would still be looking at life in prison if Florida goes by the 3 strikes.

All JMO.

(This is why I can't understand why Baez isn't trying to get some of the felony charges reduced to misdemeanors with a guilty plea.)

:shrug:

[Fallen Angel]

ITA, but remember George describing the day she left (after F'Day)
"like any other morning", they had backpacks, etc. So he lied.
She didn't stroll out of there, I don't think. There was a big fight the day before, and they calmly leave the next day? I wonder how often Casey took Caylee out with her when she left?

IMO this WHOLE family has lied, Even LEE :cuss:

How will lies get Caylee back?

[WinnieLeigh7]

Hee, ex-loss prevention detective here. Don't mess with my big-girl panties! :biggrin:


LOL

Ya got the brass ovaries huh? :biggrin:

[Boxer]

ITA, but remember George describing the day she left (after F'Day)
"like any other morning", they had backpacks, etc. So he lied.
She didn't stroll out of there, I don't think. There was a big fight the day before, and they calmly leave the next day? I wonder how often Casey took Caylee out with her when she left?


I think Casey left the night before and came back and got Caylee. Not just another day.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Here is my thinking....When writing a check at Target or Winn Dixie you can always get "cash" out with your check. Could she have possibly been getting cash with her purchases (not alot at once but several checks were used) to use towards a plane ticket or other mode of transportation. Her delay in leaving may have been in funding her travel. Also, could she have been purchasing items at Target and then returning them in order to get cash refunds (have family who work retail and say this happens all the time). If she spent all that money at Target she should have some merchandise to show for it. Please keep in mind these are just scenarios I am throwing out, don't want anyone to think I am accusing anyone of anything.

so many questions I agree

Well if someone could tell us how much a plane ticket costs from orlando to where the Marine dude lives. It might lend some validity to that theory. IMO It could very well be that she was trying to save up money in that manner. IMO

[OneUp]

Per http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0903/17382646.pdf when Casey wrote check #143 to the Target in Winter Garden a FL DL was presented as ID and was captured on the back of the check. The FL DL was Casey's.

I was trying to figure out why they would take an ID when the name on the check would not match the name on the DL. I noticed all the checks were under #150. IMO, this was a new account. I asked a neighbor, who works for a bank, how many checks are given to new customers. He said it depends on the bank. Some give 25 checks and some give 50 checks. His bank issues a book of 50 checks and they are numbered 101-150. jmoLong ago, when I first got the checks on my account, they gave me a blank book of checks with just the account #. I had to write on the rest if I wanted to use them. Do they still do that? If so, that would explain how she could use her own license. If that's the case, I'm surprised Target would accept them being so low in #, but our Target does a thing with my check where when they runit it works like a debit and would be refused if there weren't funds in the account. maybe that explains it? I'm sure Casey could talk her way around many people and get them to give her the benefit of the doubt. There are many sweet and naive souls in this world.
JMO.

[Regina.Lampert]

ITA, but remember George describing the day she left (after F'Day)
"like any other morning", they had backpacks, etc. So he lied.
She didn't stroll out of there, I don't think. There was a big fight the day before, and they calmly leave the next day? I wonder how often Casey took Caylee out with her when she left?

I agree, he lied.

[happy2bme]

Long ago, when I first got the checks on my account, they gave me a blank book of checks with just the account #. I had to write on the rest if I wanted to use them. Do they still do that? If so, that would explain how she could use her own license. If that's the case, I'm surprised Target would accept them being so low in #, but our Target does a thing with my check where when they runit it works like a debit and would be refused if there weren't funds in the account. maybe that explains it? I'm sure Casey could talk her way around many people and get them to give her the benefit of the doubt. There are many sweet and naive souls in this world.
JMO.

Yes temporary checks. I used to work at a bank so I am familiar. Most places won't honor them. Most places won't honor checks with a starting number of under 1000.

[barskin&co.]

IMO this WHOLE family has lied, Even LEE :cuss:

How will lies get Caylee back?


I think they have known they were never going to get Caylee back since July 17. :(

[WinnieLeigh7]

I felt that TonE's own statements in his police interview indicated that he was not serious about her and wanted her to "get" that. He seemed to purposely distance himself on his trip to NY...and he had only been seeing her for about a month and a half.
I think she may have wanted him to be serious, but realized it wasn't going as well as she wanted.
JMO.

I actually agree...

I think Casey was nothing but a "good time" for Tony, if you know what I mean...

Nothing against Tony, he's just a young guy, that's all...
He was getting his "milk" for free......
his laundry washed.....
and his dinners cooked

Why not??

But I don't think Casey was by any shot, going to be the one he "took home to mama" as the saying goes!!

Guys know the "good time" girls, the lil' naive, I'll do anything for you girls...
and they're going to play you, because you lay yourself out like a monoply board screaming for it.

IMO

[bballgrl]

I think cynthia kicked casey out, never dreaming that she would also take Caylee. casey took Caylee to spite and hurt cynthia.

Once out of the house, she realized what a burden Caylee was since she had no one to babysit Caylee at night when she wanted to go clubbing. So, she used the chloroform to sedate Caylee, possibly putting her in the trunk of her car where she died.



Very good summary Regina. I concur that this is a VERY good possibility...

[day2day]

I agree, he lied.

Does anyone have a running total of their lies. I think it would be interesting to see?! :cool:

[desmom]

I have a question that I am hoping might be answered during one of the court dates.
Casey used Amy's ID for writing bad checks and other things. Could she have gotten a plane ticket or had planned on getting a ticket to Cali using Amy's ID?

So many questions in this case.


I don't think she used Amy's ID. The FL DL on the back of the Target check was Casey's FL DL.

jmo

[Fallen Angel]

I think they have known they were never going to get Caylee back since July 17. :(

that breaks my heart and i hate to believe it but i know thats the truth :(

[Fallen Angel]

I don't think she used Amy's ID. The FL DL on the back of the Target check was Casey's FL DL.

jmo

wow Casey's about as dumb as a box of rocks IMO

[warrkat]

Yes temporary checks. I used to work at a bank so I am familiar. Most places won't honor them. Most places won't honor checks with a starting number of under 1000.

That would take me forever! I've had my account for 8 years, and am only at about 1100.

[bballgrl]

Does anyone have a running total of their lies. I think it would be interesting to see?! :cool:
I don't think there is a number big enough. I'll just use "infinity"... How's that? :D

[crymeariver2006]

Does anyone have a running total of their lies. I think it would be interesting to see?! :cool:

In my best Buzz Lightyear impression: "To infinity and beyond!"

[Rebel Rouzer]

I don't think she used Amy's ID. The FL DL on the back of the Target check was Casey's FL DL.

jmo

I thought they have her on tape at the bank cashing a check and using Amy's ID? :read:

[Joan Weiss]

I think cynthia kicked casey out, never dreaming that she would also take Caylee. casey took Caylee to spite and hurt cynthia.

Once out of the house, she realized what a burden Caylee was since she had no one to babysit Caylee at night when she wanted to go clubbing. So, she used the chloroform to sedate Caylee, possibly putting her in the trunk of her car where she died.

Yep. Occam's Razor. I think you've got it. Simple as that. imo

[desmom]

I thought it might have to do with part of his marine training. Arent they required to swim carrying their gear?...maybe trained for some water rescue too?
Where is that marine mom?:D I bet she would have an answer.
JMO.


http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-43574.html

[spageddy]

I don't think there is a number big enough. I'll just use "infinity"... How's that? :D
Infinity and Beyond!:D

I just got back in- is she still injail. the web cam doesn't look like too much going on.

[margaritaville]

wow Casey's about as dumb as a box of rocks IMO


Yes she is........

And i think when she stole them she figured Amy wouldn't press charges and would just demand her to re-pay it.............moo

[WillowInFlight]

Does anyone have a running total of their lies. I think it would be interesting to see?! :cool:
What I found amazing is even after she is busted for her lies about her job, she still continues to lie to them, even after admitting she lied.:rolleyes:

[nutterbutter]

I have a question that I am hoping might be answered during one of the court dates.
Casey used Amy's ID for writing bad checks and other things. Could she have gotten a plane ticket or had planned on getting a ticket to Cali using Amy's ID?

So many questions in this case.
Very good possibility.mo

[Joan Weiss]

I thought they have her on tape at the bank cashing a check and using Amy's ID? :read:Amy went on vacation without her ID? To PR? :eek:

[day2day]

I don't think there is a number big enough. I'll just use "infinity"... How's that? :D

LOL..pretty close!!

[summer4meplz]

Thee's a pic at ws mh thread 9:39 am post 77....is that what I think it is? if so...barf

[OneUp]

hmm, I disagree given the fact that he told LE the conversation went like this: 'she already told her mother and Lee'..

I dont believe she told her mother and lee anything about Caylee...no way.

I think she was going to split from florida, but not necessarily go to California. (Hawkins: I doubt he would be able to do anything for her and be available to her)....

she expressed thoughts of going to California, but notice she had no sense of urgency...most psychopaths dont....Caylee was missing, she unloaded the car, she had money to get on a train, a plane, etc.

IMO

but she didnt. she was busy getting tattoos.

best regards,
Pru
As far as being able to do nothing for Casey...I know he is stationed there in Ca. Do you think he may also have a private residence there? and apartment perhaps? If so, and IF Casey could weadle her way into his graces, she would have a place to live. One where no one else was home a good part of the time, and which was far from Cindy.
I agree that she displayed no sense of urgency. I think she was just bleeding people in Florida dry until she was run out of town by her actions.
I think Mark WAS to be the next "phase" of her life...she just wasn't in any hurry. Luckily, Cindy caught up with her before her luck ran out in other ways. I don't think we will ever know, but she may have even planned to leave within days of Amy's return to avoid the consequences of her theft. Or I may also be WAAAYYY off base here altogether.
It at least makes for an interesting new path for discussion.
JMO.

[jusdafacts]

For your viewing pleasure, Jose Baez speaks to the media after CA's court appearance this morning:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7442763&version=1&locale=EN-US

ETA: Just answer this Jose: WHERE IS CAYLEE????

[Snoopy50]

I agree, he lied.
IMO he has lied a LOT. About a LOT of things. JMO:mad:

[WinnieLeigh7]

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0903/17382646.pdf

Check was from Amy's account. ID presented and captured on the back of the check. ID belonged to Casey Anthony. Target also provided LE with a copy of the purchase receipt, check, photos, video and a sworn statement by the cashier.

jmo

And she then pleads not guilty :rolleyes:

[marinewife5]

http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-43574.html


being that he's a radar repairman, i'm not sure if that would be required of him. i'm still a'checkin'.

jmo

[Joan Weiss]

Yes temporary checks. I used to work at a bank so I am familiar. Most places won't honor them. Most places won't honor checks with a starting number of under 1000.I just got new checks because I moved to another bank. They start at 900. I'm not having a problem...:confused:

[day2day]

In my best Buzz Lightyear impression: "To infinity and beyond!"

Mornin :seeya:
It has to be in the genes. It is sad to think that none of them can tell the truth. I could not sleep at night..knowing my daughter/grandaughterf/neice was out there..somewhere. I just want to know where does Caylee rate with this family? It is mind blowing when the BH stands up for Caylee more than her own flesh and blood.

jmo

[Joan Weiss]

And she then pleads not guilty :rolleyes:Whose name was printed on the check? :confused:

[deep*fear]

Does anyone know what the penalties are if you have a 'duty to report' and do not?
Does this 'duty to report' apply to Elder Abuse?

[day2day]

For your viewing pleasure, Jose Baez speaks to the media after CA's court appearance this morning:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7442763&version=1&locale=EN-US

ETA: Just answer this Jose: WHERE IS CAYLEE????

That is not pleasure in my book. :read: But thanks for the link. :)

[Joan Weiss]

Thats what I was saying many pages back. Does Casey look THAT MUCH like Amy? They really scrutinize when you write a check in my area, unless or until you become such a regular that cashiers know you are who they say you are.

I don't know why a cashier would take caseys ID for a check of Amys.
This part baffles me. And if they were starter checks (low number checks) I [I]really[I] don't get it. You can request that your checks start with a high number- like 500's or 600's even, I have done that before.Thanks. I agree with everything you said. :confused:

[Fallen Angel]

That would take me forever! I've had my account for 8 years, and am only at about 1100.

Bank of America started the Keep the Change thing every time you use your debt card it rounds up and puts the change in your savings i haven't wrote a check lol

[barskin&co.]

Thee's a pic at ws mh thread 9:39 am post 77....is that what I think it is? if so...barf


Thank you for sharing! Oh, my Lord, she certainly was in lots of interesting photos.

[Snoopy50]

wow Casey's about as dumb as a box of rocks IMO Actually, this appears to be the way she works, so to speak. She never thinks ahead to the big picture where she will have to pay the piper because she NEVER HAS HAD TO. IMO:read:

[Pruddennce]

She asked Lee about Chicago too IIRC

unsure of what meaning was behind that

yes, in her web posting. ...it was a weather comment IMO which meant nothing.

best regards,
Pru

[jusdafacts]

That is not pleasure in my book. :read: But thanks for the link. :)

LOL I was going to add "don't kill the messenger"

[OneUp]

I think cynthia kicked casey out, never dreaming that she would also take Caylee. casey took Caylee to spite and hurt cynthia.

Once out of the house, she realized what a burden Caylee was since she had no one to babysit Caylee at night when she wanted to go clubbing. So, she used the chloroform to sedate Caylee, possibly putting her in the trunk of her car where she died.


I'm definitely open to that being a likely scenario too!
Hi Regina!:seeya:

[barskin&co.]

Bank of America started the Keep the Change thing every time you use your debt card it rounds up and puts the change in your savings i haven't wrote a check lol


Me, too! I never write checks.
I noticed on the check charges, Casey did a check electonically to AT&T.

[warrkat]

Thee's a pic at ws mh thread 9:39 am post 77....is that what I think it is? if so...barf

hmmm, they're a little old for leapfrog, aren't they? barf

[Joan Weiss]

I actually agree...

I think Casey was nothing but a "good time" for Tony, if you know what I mean...

Nothing against Tony, he's just a young guy, that's all...
He was getting his "milk" for free......
his laundry washed.....
and his dinners cooked

Why not??

But I don't think Casey was by any shot, going to be the one he "took home to mama" as the saying goes!!

Guys know the "good time" girls, the lil' naive, I'll do anything for you girls...
and they're going to play you, because you lay yourself out like a monoply board screaming for it.

IMOITA. In reference to that, I've heard guys say in response to just such a situation "Chit! It ain't hurtin' me any!" imo

[WinnieLeigh7]

I thought they have her on tape at the bank cashing a check and using Amy's ID? :read:

I'm starting to wonder if that's her whole "defense"...

Maybe she wrote the checks out to herself, thus using her own ID (kinda a same as cash type deal) ...

so it actually comes down to proven Amy didn't write the checks

:shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

For your viewing pleasure, Jose Baez speaks to the media after CA's court appearance this morning:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7442763&version=1&locale=EN-US

ETA: Just answer this Jose: WHERE IS CAYLEE????

Baez is about to bust a gut to find out what LE knows. Lots of bravado there.

Questioning LE tactics.

The police never said it was for her protection when Baez *cough* turned her in. He got what he asked for.

Wants the reporters to ask LE why they haven't turned over "evidence" to Baez. LOL, are we sure this guy went to law school?

[Snoopy50]

Me, too! I never write checks.
I noticed on thecheck charges, Casey did a check electonically to AT&T.Ah, so she did pay her existing bill?

[tiny paw-prints]

I think Casey left the night before and came back and got Caylee. Not just another day.


Do you think Casey covered Cindy with the 30-day script, and now Cindy is covering for Casey?

[Snoopy50]

Baez is about to bust a gut to find out what LE knows. Lots of bravado there.

Questioning LE tactics.

The police never said it was for her protection when Baez *cough* turned her in. He got what he asked for.

Wants the reporters to ask LE why they haven't turned over "evidence" to Baez. LOL, are we sure this guy went to law school?
Yep he sure did, got out in 2005. I bet he was at the top of his class too. NOT!:confused:

[deep*fear]

I thought they have her on tape at the bank cashing a check and using Amy's ID? :read:

Seems bizarre that Amy would go to PR and not take her DL. Even if I don't plan to drive, I take my ID.

[day2day]

LOL I was going to add "don't kill the messenger"

Oh no we are kind to the messengers..its the messages that bite!!

[desmom]

I thought they have her on tape at the bank cashing a check and using Amy's ID? :read:

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0915/17479677.pdf

The BOA check - "Check #146 in the amount of $250 was written for cash to herself to Bank of America (NOI) and posted on 7/12/08. These checks have Anthony's name and what appear to be her signatures on them."

jmo

[OneUp]

I was agreeing on Baez's assumption. He is correct and he has a challenge defending his client, albeit with a clown face which doesn't suit him. I feel slimey watching him. Makes me want to clownstomp that grin.I'm glad i'm not the only one with a visceral reation to Baez. I thought it was maybe due to the fact that he represents Casey, but no...I think he just skeeves me out all on his own merits.
I know it is not because he is a defense Attorney, that is an important and valuable job IMO.
IDK why exactly...maybe just a "vibe" he puts off. He just doesn't seem right"" to me. I'm not much into the "psychic" thing, but I know my instincts about others are generally spot on and have served me well through the years. Baez is someone I'd avoid in real life.
JMO.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Amy went on vacation without her ID? To PR? :eek:

As long as she had a passport with her ID does she have to have a DL too? I could be wrong. I thought they said Casey used fraudulant ID. Thought these were all Amy's things she used. The Checks her name and signature and ID.

If I am mistaken please forgive me. I thought that's what they said and was listed in one of the charges.

[MyrDawn]

Thee's a pic at ws mh thread 9:39 am post 77....is that what I think it is? if so...barf

I KNEW I shouldn't look! Why didn't I listen to myself! Oh lawdy!
barf

[Joan Weiss]

Yes temporary checks. I used to work at a bank so I am familiar. Most places won't honor them. Most places won't honor checks with a starting number of under 1000.RE the temporary checks, my bank told me which merchants would accept them.

[Snoopy50]

Casey paid the bill allegedly with OPM.

OPM- Other Peoples Money

Something she has lots of experience doing!!!!!:cuss:

[Boxer]

Baez is about to bust a gut to find out what LE knows. Lots of bravado there.

Questioning LE tactics.

The police never said it was for her protection when Baez *cough* turned her in. He got what he asked for.

Wants the reporters to ask LE why they haven't turned over "evidence" to Baez. LOL, are we sure this guy went to law school?

Jon Lovitz did it better

[spageddy]

Baez is about to bust a gut to find out what LE knows. Lots of bravado there.

Questioning LE tactics.

The police never said it was for her protection when Baez *cough* turned her in. He got what he asked for.

Wants the reporters to ask LE why they haven't turned over "evidence" to Baez. LOL, are we sure this guy went to law school?


Did he really accuse LE of playing games and wasting time & money. It sounded more like what his client is doing. and to say: this is a play! Well Casey supposedly has the script-

[barskin&co.]

Ah, so she did pay her existing bill?
We don't know that, but, sounds likely.

[happy2bme]

I just got new checks because I moved to another bank. They start at 900. I'm not having a problem...:confused:


Not all places but I have seen some refuse them. It's been 10 years since I worked at a bank so thinks could be different now.

[Rebel Rouzer]

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0915/17479677.pdf

The BOA check - "Check #146 in the amount of $250 was written for cash to herself to Bank of America (NOI) and posted on 7/12/08. These checks have Anthony's name and what appear to be her signatures on them."

jmo

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought I heard them say she used a fake ID during one of these excapades. Thought one of the charges listed confirmed that but I must have misunderstood.

Sorry :o

[Joan Weiss]

As long as she had a passport with her ID does she have to have a DL too? I could be wrong. I thought they said Casey used fraudulant ID. Thought these were all Amy's things she used. The Checks her name and signature and ID.

If I am mistaken please forgive me. I thought that's what they said and was listed in one of the charges.Oh, yes, you're "absolutely" correct. TYVM. :)

[dixie77]

Thee's a pic at ws mh thread 9:39 am post 77....is that what I think it is? if so...barf
========

Horrible to think that maybe she had Caylee there with her. Just horrible. JMO

[trich]

I'm starting to wonder if that's her whole "defense"...

Maybe she wrote the checks out to herself, thus using her own ID (kinda a same as cash type deal) ...

so it actually comes down to proven Amy didn't write the checks

:shrug:



I am sure they have determined by the handwriting on the signature that Amy did not write the checks but that Casey wrote them out to herself.
Seems like a slam dunk to me.

[barskin&co.]

Casey paid the bill allegedly with OPM.

OPM- Other Peoples Money


Casey paid everything with OPM.

[Joan Weiss]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought I heard them say she used a fake ID during one of these excapades. Thought one of the charges listed confirmed that but I must have misunderstood.

Sorry :oGeesh, now I'm :confused:

[commonguymd]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17485195/detail.html

Zanaida being interviewed tonight.

[day2day]

Baez is about to bust a gut to find out what LE knows. Lots of bravado there.

Questioning LE tactics.

The police never said it was for her protection when Baez *cough* turned her in. He got what he asked for.

Wants the reporters to ask LE why they haven't turned over "evidence" to Baez. LOL, are we sure this guy went to law school?

"Unless they are going to take her out back and beat her behind my back, we are not going to get intimidated," he said.

Hmm....ohmylord. NO they won't do that...don't make suggesions JB!

jmo

[Snoopy50]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17485195/detail.html

Zanaida being interviewed tonight.
This is the REAL non-nanny, correct?:confused:

[EGirl]

Seems bizarre that Amy would go to PR and not take her DL. Even if I don't plan to drive, I take my ID.

She couldn't have flown without her ID.

[nutterbutter]

Actually, this appears to be the way she works, so to speak. She never thinks ahead to the big picture where she will have to pay the piper because she NEVER HAS HAD TO. IMO:read:
I think you are exactly right,.Mommy and daddy wont be able to save her from the loong stretch that is coming soon though and that will most likely be her first time to reap what she has created for herself.I hope she also has a long stretch for whatever she did to Caylee.moo

[desmom]

Thats what I was saying many pages back. Does Casey look THAT MUCH like Amy? They really scrutinize when you write a check in my area, unless or until you become such a regular that cashiers know you are who they say you are.

I don't know why a cashier would take caseys ID for a check of Amys.
This part baffles me. And if they were starter checks (low number checks) I [I]really[I] don't get it. You can request that your checks start with a high number- like 500's or 600's even, I have done that before.


I worked retail when I was in h.s. many, many moons ago before photo IDs were on DLs. I was trained you asked for the DL to verify the person's name, address and signature matched the check. We wrote the check # on the check as proof we did do a comparison check.

I am always amused when a cashier asks for my DL for id. She always writes down the DL number. I know they are not comparing the signatures because my wallet hides that portion of my DL and they never ask me to take the DL out of the wallet. I do not know what good a DL # would do anyone if the check bounced back.

jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Yep he sure did, got out in 2005. I bet he was at the top of his class too. NOT!:confused:

Keep listening, he says he has family members in Iraq and "them people" blah blah blah...."them people"? He's about as intelligent as Casey with her "I seen".

Oh, and he says "it's not evidence until I've had a chance to see it and have my experts look at it". "If the police are so sure of their evidence, why are they hiding it from me? Why are they afraid to have an independent expert look at it"? Oh my Lord, that's why I wanted to know if we were sure this guy had finished law school. He's making out like they don't have a case since they won't share their evidence. Even the reporters aren't biting though, they seem to know that first she has to be charged and then he's entitled to see the evidence. :D

Reporter asks him since the neighborhood is so dangerous, isn't Casey safer in jail. He refuses to answer, says "I've got to go get my client out of jail".

:D

[Pebbles]

I am just getting on the board, so I am sorry if this has already been addressed. Last night on one of the local Orlando news channels (WFTV 10 o'clock news on channel 27) they stated that there had been a sighting of Caylee in Orange County, Florida. They did not say who said there had been a sighting


They then played a video showing Cindy at a Goodwill on Orange Blossom Trail in Orlando. They said Cindy was there asking employees about security cameras.

Isn't it strange that the news cameras were at Goodwill when Cindy was out "searching" for Caylee. I am sorry, while watching Cindy I couldn't help but think that Cindy had made up the sighting, then called the news to let them know she was going to Goodwill to search for Caylee.


I just find myself not being able to believe anything that Cindy Anthony does or says anymore. In the very beginning when all of this happened, I felt so sorry for the grandparents, since I am one also.

Now after all the lies and blaming everyone except Casey for Caylee being missing, I find myself questioning everything that the Anthonys say, and get so angry at them for protecting Casey and putting her needs before little Caylee. Last night seeing Cindy at Goodwiil, and then seeing her giving a bottle of water to a protester in front of their house that had a sign defending Casey, I find myself becoming so angry that the Anthonys are not concerned about finding justice for Caylee. I get the feeling their main concern is making sure that the family and Casey look like innocent victims to the public, especially after hearing what their spokesman said regarding Casey being rearrested, that LE was wrong for doing that. Isn't Casey wrong for not telling people where to find Caylee?

Isn't the fact that there is a little three year old that is still missing, and the mother is not helping anyone find her, suppose to be what this is all about.

JB was just now on the afternoon news (WFTV channel 9) saying the reason that Casey spends so much time with him is because of the way LE is treating her! (not exact words) What about how Casey is "treating" her daughter, not telling anyone, where to find Caylee. I guess what it comes down to, it is more important to protect Casey from the mean cops, public and media than find out what happened to Caylee! At least Casey has a nice bed and warm shower. Next thing you know, JB will say Casey has a right to go out and party, because she isn't really partying, she is searching for Caylee!!






:rose: For little Caylee

[Joan Weiss]

I'm starting to wonder if that's her whole "defense"...

Maybe she wrote the checks out to herself, thus using her own ID (kinda a same as cash type deal) ...

so it actually comes down to proven Amy didn't write the checks

:shrug:I think that's it. How bold. imo

[Regina.Lampert]

I'm definitely open to that being a likely scenario too!
Hi Regina!:seeya:

Hi One!! :seeya:

[Snoopy50]

I think you are exactly right,.Mommy and daddy wont be able to save her from the loong stretch that is coming soon though and that will most likely be her first time to reap what she has created for herself.I hope she also has a long stretch for whatever she did to Caylee.moo

I hope she does her life locked up. IMo she killed that baby and they all know it. Never have I seen such enablers, it is truly sickening.barf

[Rebel Rouzer]

Geesh, now I'm :confused:


two counts of fraudulent use of personal identification

http://elfninosmom.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/080903-arrest-affidavit-re-checks.pdf

:shrug:

[Boxer]

http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=MediaRelations%2finfo+2008.cf. 13520.13521.13331.pdf&tabid=547&mid=1935



sounds like Amy's ID info to me?

[n/t]

I apologize if this was already asked and answered. I'm trying to speed read whenever I have time at work.

Regarding ID. Is it possible Casey had an ID made up with Amy's information. In other words, Casey's photo on the ID but Amy's address and personal details and that's how she was able to get away with cashing cheques from Amy's account?

If she did, it would be interesting to know how she got a FAKE ID?

[101Spots]

Yes she is........

And i think when she stole them she figured Amy wouldn't press charges and would just demand her to re-pay it.............moo

Or that she'd be out of Amy's reach in California?

[Joan Weiss]

Keep listening, he says he has family members in Iraq and "them people" blah blah blah...."them people"? He's about as intelligent as Casey with her "I seen".

Oh, and he says "it's not evidence until I've had a chance to see it and have my experts look at it". "If the police are so sure of their evidence, why are they hiding it from me? Why are they afraid to have an independent expert look at it"? Oh my Lord, that's why I wanted to know if we were sure this guy had finished law school. He's making out like they don't have a case since they won't share their evidence. Even the reporters aren't biting though, they seem to know that first she has to be charged and then he's entitled to see the evidence. :D

Reporter asks him since the neighborhood is so dangerous, isn't Casey safer in jail. He refuses to answer, says "I've got to go get my client out of jail".

:DGrain of salt required here. Do you remember his anti-government rant on a previous Casey jail release? He's insinuating. imo

[Snoopy50]

Keep listening, he says he has family members in Iraq and "them people" blah blah blah...."them people"? He's about as intelligent as Casey with her "I seen".

Oh, and he says "it's not evidence until I've had a chance to see it and have my experts look at it". "If the police are so sure of their evidence, why are they hiding it from me? Why are they afraid to have an independent expert look at it"? Oh my Lord, that's why I wanted to know if we were sure this guy had finished law school. He's making out like they don't have a case since they won't share their evidence. Even the reporters aren't biting though, they seem to know that first she has to be charged and then he's entitled to see the evidence. :D

Reporter asks him since the neighborhood is so dangerous, isn't Casey safer in jail. He refuses to answer, says "I've got to go get my client out of jail".

:D

Do you think it's safe to say he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed?:tongue:

[MyrDawn]

I'm starting to wonder if that's her whole "defense"...

Maybe she wrote the checks out to herself, thus using her own ID (kinda a same as cash type deal) ...

so it actually comes down to proven Amy didn't write the checks

:shrug:

Two of the new charges Casey bonded on today were "forgery" and "criminal use of personal identification".
JMO

[day2day]

Do you think it's safe to say he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed?:tongue:

You are a mindreader!hammer

[st777jo]

Does anyone know? Did she leave the jail yet? TIA

[barskin&co.]

This is the REAL non-nanny, correct?:confused:

Yes, probably the woman who looked at the Sawgrass apartment. The one that was previously interviewed in shadows.

[trt]

two counts of fraudulent use of personal identification

http://elfninosmom.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/080903-arrest-affidavit-re-checks.pdf

:shrug:


If she used Amy's checks and her ID, that is also fraudulent use of personal ID, correct? Using her ID to cash Amy's checks?

[Pebbles]

Did he really accuse LE of playing games and wasting time & money. It sounded more like what his client is doing. and to say: this is a play! Well Casey supposedly has the script-


My thoughts also. Who is exactly wasting time and taxpayers money. I live in Orange County, Florida. I am not angry at LE, I am angry at Casey, she is the one that is not being open and honest!!

[deep*fear]

She couldn't have flown without her ID.

I just checked, PR doesn't require the use of a passport from the US. Amy may or may not have a passport.

[Rebel Rouzer]

http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=MediaRelations%2finfo+2008.cf. 13520.13521.13331.pdf&tabid=547&mid=1935



sounds like Amy's ID info to me?

Thats my impression too. Don't ask me :shrug:

[need2no]

For your viewing pleasure, Jose Baez speaks to the media after CA's court appearance this morning:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7442763&version=1&locale=EN-US

ETA: Just answer this Jose: WHERE IS CAYLEE????


UNBELIEVABLE!


What a smug, arrogant, overly confident, self professed unintimidated smirking piece of work.

We should be worried about how the State of FL is spending tax dollars and using their resources as they go after poor Casey. How about remembering Casey is the reason all this money and resources is having to be spent in the first place....because Casey won't tell the truth.

We should be concerned with what is going on with LE. We should be concerned about a jury pool being tainted.

His has his client focusing....no problem Baez she has been focused on herself and her needs all her life apparently!

Baez is most disturbed about Casey's d*mn constitutional rights more than anything in this case. WHAT ABOUT AN INNOCENT MISSING 3 YEAR OLD CHILD?????

[day2day]

My thoughts also. Who is exactly wasting time and taxpayers money. I live in Orange County, Florida. I am not angry at LE, I am angry at Casey, she is the one that is not being open and honest!!

The real waste of taxpayer money is the fact that LE has to run to her house 15 times to protect her. Who is protecting little Caylee :(

jmo

[MyrDawn]

Oh for heavens sake, I am sick of this, who cares, this woman is not the only Zenaida Gonzalez in the world, give me a break. moo

I'll bet she's the only Zenaida Gonzalez that was at the Sawgrass apartments on the same day Casey said she handed over Caylee to "Zanny" at those same apartments.

JMO

[commonguymd]

Oh for heavens sake, I am sick of this, who cares, this woman is not the only Zenaida Gonzalez in the world, give me a break. moo

There are some interesting links to people in her myspace that I hope get answered to be honest.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Two of the new charges Casey bonded on today were "forgery" and "criminal use of personal identification".
JMO

This is actually pretty broad

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0817/SEC568.HTM

doesn't mean that she used her actual ID

That's the way I understand it...

That's like using a credit card and giving my mother's maiden name for example (which anyone that really knows me could do) Never understood how that was suppose to be a safeguard...

but anyway...

[Snoopy50]

Oh for heavens sake, I am sick of this, who cares, this woman is not the only Zenaida Gonzalez in the world, give me a break. moo

I hope your post is expressing your frustration at the uselessness of interviewing this woman who clearly is not involved and not a slam on barskin.:confused:

[trich]

I am just getting on the board, so I am sorry if this has already been addressed. Last night on one of the local Orlando news channels (WFTV 10 o'clock news on channel 27) they stated that there had been a sighting of Caylee in Orange County, Florida. They did not say who said there had been a sighting


They then played a video showing Cindy at a Goodwill on Orange Blossom Trail in Orlando. They said Cindy was there asking employees about security cameras.

Isn't it strange that the news cameras were at Goodwill when Cindy was out "searching" for Caylee. I am sorry, while watching Cindy I couldn't help but think that Cindy had made up the sighting, then called the news to let them know she was going to Goodwill to search for Caylee.


I just find myself not being able to believe anything that Cindy Anthony does or says anymore. In the very beginning when all of this happened, I felt so sorry for the grandparents, since I am one also.

Now after all the lies and blaming everyone except Casey for Caylee being missing, I find myself questioning everything that the Anthonys say, and get so angry at them for protecting Casey and putting her needs before little Caylee. Last night seeing Cindy at Goodwiil, and then seeing her giving a bottle of water to a protester in front of their house that had a sign defending Casey, I find myself becoming so angry that the Anthonys are not concerned about finding justice for Caylee. I get the feeling their main concern is making sure that the family and Casey look like innocent victims to the public, especially after hearing what their spokesman said regarding Casey being rearrested, that LE was wrong for doing that. Isn't Casey wrong for not telling people where to find Caylee?

Isn't the fact that there is a little three year old that is still missing, and the mother is not helping anyone find her, suppose to be what this is all about.

JB was just now on the afternoon news (WFTV channel 9) saying the reason that Casey spends so much time with him is because of the way LE is treating her! (not exact words) What about how Casey is "treating" her daughter, not telling anyone, where to find Caylee. I guess what it comes down to, it is more important to protect Casey from the mean cops, public and media than find out what happened to Caylee! At least Casey has a nice bed and warm shower. Next thing you know, JB will say Casey has a right to go out and party, because she isn't really partying, she is searching for Caylee!!






:rose: For little Caylee




He reminds me of Garagos....telling stories to the media ....coming up with all sorts of suggestions knowing that none of it is true.
If she is in her own home how is LE treating her badly..that is a dumb statement.
She is bound by certain restrictions according to her bond.
And he is doing exactly what her parents have done all her life....
Cater to her whims and making her life easier...why can't her family and can't really say friends but her lawyer understand the reason she is pathalogical is because of no sense of responsibility.

[FeelinFroggy617]

I am just getting on the board, so I am sorry if this has already been addressed. Last night on one of the local Orlando news channels (WFTV 10 o'clock news on channel 27) they stated that there had been a sighting of Caylee in Orange County, Florida. They did not say who said there had been a sighting


They then played a video showing Cindy at a Goodwill on Orange Blossom Trail in Orlando. They said Cindy was there asking employees about security cameras.

Isn't it strange that the news cameras were at Goodwill when Cindy was out "searching" for Caylee. I am sorry, while watching Cindy I couldn't help but think that Cindy had made up the sighting, then called the news to let them know she was going to Goodwill to search for Caylee.


I just find myself not being able to believe anything that Cindy Anthony does or says anymore. In the very beginning when all of this happened, I felt so sorry for the grandparents, since I am one also.

Now after all the lies and blaming everyone except Casey for Caylee being missing, I find myself questioning everything that the Anthonys say, and get so angry at them for protecting Casey and putting her needs before little Caylee. Last night seeing Cindy at Goodwiil, and then seeing her giving a bottle of water to a protester in front of their house that had a sign defending Casey, I find myself becoming so angry that the Anthonys are not concerned about finding justice for Caylee. I get the feeling their main concern is making sure that the family and Casey look like innocent victims to the public, especially after hearing what their spokesman said regarding Casey being rearrested, that LE was wrong for doing that. Isn't Casey wrong for not telling people where to find Caylee?

Isn't the fact that there is a little three year old that is still missing, and the mother is not helping anyone find her, suppose to be what this is all about.

JB was just now on the afternoon news (WFTV channel 9) saying the reason that Casey spends so much time with him is because of the way LE is treating her! (not exact words) What about how Casey is "treating" her daughter, not telling anyone, where to find Caylee. I guess what it comes down to, it is more important to protect Casey from the mean cops, public and media than find out what happened to Caylee! At least Casey has a nice bed and warm shower. Next thing you know, JB will say Casey has a right to go out and party, because she isn't really partying, she is searching for Caylee!!






:rose: For little Caylee


I have come to the conclusion that this isn't about Caylee anymore with George and Cindy. Its now all about Casey. How sad. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

I KNEW I shouldn't look! Why didn't I listen to myself! Oh lawdy!
barf

Those pics (yes there's more) are also on a blogsite that was posted here earlier.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

[Joan Weiss]

Or that she'd be out of Amy's reach in California?Out of reach of everything, imo. Cindy would think Caylee is with her and they've escaped somewhere; wherever she landed would have been told Cindy has custody of Caylee, and Casey would have been on her merry way to her new life, with new marks to rip off. imo

[Boxer]

I'll bet she's the only Zenaida Gonzalez that was at the Sawgrass apartments on the same day Casey said she handed over Caylee to "Zanny" at those same apartments.

JMO


was it the same day?

[WinnieLeigh7]

I hope your post is expressing your frustration at the uselessness of interviewing this woman who clearly is not involved and not a slam on barskin.:confused:

I agreed with the frustration....totally nothing against barskin! IMO :)

[Pebbles]

He reminds me of Garagos....telling stories to the media ....coming up with all sorts of suggestions knowing that none of it is true.
If she is in her own home how is LE treating her badly..that is a dumb statement.
She is bound by certain restrictions according to her bond.
And he is doing exactly what her parents have done all her life....
Cater to her whims and making her life easier...why can't her family and can't really say friends but her lawyer understand the reason she is pathalogical is because of no sense of responsibility.


I agree, I agree! :beer:

[Snoopy50]

I have come to the conclusion that this isn't about Caylee anymore with George and Cindy. Its now all about Casey. How sad. JMO
Unfortunately, I think it has ALWAYS been about Casey, Caylee never had a chance with this group of fruitloops.

[101Spots]

"Unless they are going to take her out back and beat her behind my back, we are not going to get intimidated," he said.

Hmm....ohmylord. NO they won't do that...don't make suggesions JB!

jmo

Sooooooooo, JB, if they DO take her our back and beat her, you WILL be intimidated?

Nice grammar/sentence construction. Here's a clue: don't try to wing it.

[desmom]

817.568 Criminal use of personal identification information

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0817/SEC568.HTM

(f) "Personal identification information" means any name or number that may be used, alone or in conjunction with any other information, to identify a specific individual, including any:

1. Name, postal or electronic mail address, telephone number, social security number, date of birth, mother's maiden name, official state-issued or United States-issued driver's license or identification number, alien registration number, government passport number, employer or taxpayer identification number, Medicaid or food stamp account number, bank account number, credit or debit card number, or personal identification number or code assigned to the holder of a debit card by the issuer to permit authorized electronic use of such card.

[MyrDawn]

was it the same day?

That's what I heard several times. Zenaida was there looking at an apartment and filled out a guest card on June 17th. JMO

[margaritaville]

Oh for heavens sake, I am sick of this, who cares, this woman is not the only Zenaida Gonzalez in the world, give me a break. moo


So how many Zenaida Gonzalez's have been to the Sawgrass apartments? Please enlighten us!!!

We all know there are other Zenaida Gonzalez's.......But I would bet she was the only one that has ever stepped foot at those apartments....

MOO

[kakax]

http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=MediaRelations%2finfo+2008.cf. 13520.13521.13331.pdf&tabid=547&mid=1935



sounds like Amy's ID info to me?


Me too...wonder if Amy had other Id's besides her driver's license. Surely she would have taken her driver's license to PR.

[jammies]

I have come to the conclusion that this isn't about Caylee anymore with George and Cindy. Its now all about Casey. How sad. JMO



It's never been about Caylee since the 3rd 911 call from Cindy.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Someone Please Please call into Nancy Grace tonight and ask her to ask the panel. WHY Beaz nor Nejame have asked or pleaded for tips or the safe return of Caylee. NOT ONCE.

I'm sending emails off to both of them to ask them why they haven't IF that is their main goal as they claim an claim to be speaking on their clients behalf.
BOTH of them.

:cuss:

They ALL know what Casey did that's why. IMO

[Pebbles]

Those pics (yes there's more) are also on a blogsite that was posted here earlier.

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/


Thanks for the link! Very well written.

[Pebbles]

It's never been about Caylee since the 3rd 911 call from Cindy.




You are so right!

[101Spots]

Keep listening, he says he has family members in Iraq and "them people" blah blah blah...."them people"? He's about as intelligent as Casey with her "I seen".

Oh, and he says "it's not evidence until I've had a chance to see it and have my experts look at it". "If the police are so sure of their evidence, why are they hiding it from me? Why are they afraid to have an independent expert look at it"? Oh my Lord, that's why I wanted to know if we were sure this guy had finished law school. He's making out like they don't have a case since they won't share their evidence. Even the reporters aren't biting though, they seem to know that first she has to be charged and then he's entitled to see the evidence. :D

Reporter asks him since the neighborhood is so dangerous, isn't Casey safer in jail. He refuses to answer, says "I've got to go get my client out of jail".

:D

Thank you for your Cliff Notes version. Now I don't have to watch it. I think that's extremely kind of you.

[day2day]

I hope your post is expressing your frustration at the uselessness of interviewing this woman who clearly is not involved and not a slam on barskin.:confused:

I hope so!!

[rosejustrose]

He's smiling for the cameras. Don't forget he's a big celebrity now.

High profile dense attorney:D

[Joan Weiss]

817.568 Criminal use of personal identification information

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0817/SEC568.HTM

(f) "Personal identification information" means any name or number that may be used, alone or in conjunction with any other information, to identify a specific individual, including any:

1. Name, postal or electronic mail address, telephone number, social security number, date of birth, mother's maiden name, official state-issued or United States-issued driver's license or identification number, alien registration number, government passport number, employer or taxpayer identification number, Medicaid or food stamp account number, bank account number, credit or debit card number, or personal identification number or code assigned to the holder of a debit card by the issuer to permit authorized electronic use of such card.Thanks. So, any of those would have sufficed. I wonder if Amy's resume being in Casey's car had anything to do with any of the above...imo

[WinnieLeigh7]

Yeah, and I still want to know all about that, I think this woman is involved to be honest, didn't the cops go see her under the guise she had been there in May or April or something because they didn't read the card right, and then when the media discovered she was at Sawgrass around the time Caylee disappeared did she ever correct the cops, because they went right over to Sawgrass to look at something after the media broke that. I am just really baffled by Casey know Zenaida was there.


I'm curious of the connection too, way too much to be a quinky dinky in my opinion...

Not saying I think she's connected, but something is odd there for sure....

[Pebbles]

Someone Please Please call into Nancy Grace tonight and ask her to ask the panel. WHY Beaz nor Nejame have asked or pleaded for tips or the safe return of Caylee. NOT ONCE.

I'm sending emails off to both of them to ask them why they haven't IF that is their main goal as they claim an claim to be speaking on their clients behalf.
BOTH of them.

:cuss:

They ALL know what Casey did that's why. IMO





I keep trying to call NG but can never get through. :shrug:

I will send an e-mail also.

By the way, it is a great question!