Caylee - Monday Night Discussion

[impartial]

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If she was free to get up and walk out the door, would LE have left her go?



Yes.

Personally, I think it was a custodial interrogation. They should have Mirandized her.

IMO

[concernedmom]

one was an ex boyfriend, the other was found out about a month ago...:seeya:

And heres about the other 2 that came forward.


OFFICERS ALLEGEDLY ADMIT TO SEX WITH CASEY

http://www.wftv.com/news/17458657/detail.html

[KKKKKKatie]

Any time there is a custodial interrogation, whether before or after arrest, they must inform her of her rights to remain silent and right to counsel.

Once they started confronting her with evidence ... ie we contacted Zenaida and she doesn't know you ... that is considered an interrogation.

While in the room, with the door closed at Universal ... is that considered custodial? Detaining is the same as custodial ... was she free to get up and walk out at any time during that interview? If the answer is yes, it isn't custodial. If the answer is no, then it is custodial.

IMO

Thank you! you made it very easy for me to understand :beer:

[tiny paw-prints]

(respectfully snipped)

Mark Hawkins.....not sure what his connection is to her...how did she know him...why was she communicating with him...



It's been mentioned on other sites; Topix? Casey had been emailing, texting and calling Mark Hawkins, a Marine in Twenty-Nine Palms, California. There's a huge military base there. She also mentioned in her MySpace message to him that she had something to tell him. She'd been communicating with Mark Hawkins up until the day Amy took Cindy to Tony's apt to retrieve Casey.

A brief search shows a Lauren Hawkins who attended Twenty-Nine Palms High School 1995-1999 (Classmates.com?). Not sure if this is the same Lauren who is connected to the O-house and also babysat Caylee. Maybe this Lauren who went to school in California and moved to Florida is Mark Hawkin's sister?

Also, a brief search shows there's a John R. Hawkins – Fire Chief in Twenty-Nine Palms, California.

[KKKKKKatie]

How far back do I have to go to find out about the others cops she has slept with? tia....it's been a long day ...

last page of the links thread :seeya:

[Rayosunshine]

Exactly. Just the same as Amy, Ricardo, etc. giving their statements to help LE find Caylee & determine when she was seen last, who she had been with in regard to a nanny...basic groundwork investigation. They didn't read any of them their rights, I'll bet ya.

Amy, Ricardo, etc. weren't being arrested. No need to read them their rights.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[dixie77]

Yes.

Personally, I think it was a custodial interrogation. They should have Mirandized her.

IMO

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Lord Have Mercy.

[BobbysGirl]

Casey's bond amount is only $1250 I believe. She will not lose her previous larger bond with this arrest.

My understanding, correct me if I am wrong, did
someone, family, put up last bond of 500,000 and the small amount on her previous arrest. Did not Padilla or their people post? If not, my memory is gone. Thanks. From what I understand her last 500,000 bond was posted again by unknown plus (the parents put up their home, assests) the piddly squat of past charges...bond.

Confused more than ever. Thanks to any one who has knowledge or links?

BG
BG

[Velouria]

and Casey said Uh Huh. I wish we could see the video also. She NEVER sounded scared, worried or bothered by whatever they threw at her.


Exactly. Hardly seemed intimidated, really.

[martha]

How many mothers could have given an int. that calm when their only baby was missing. does le have the proof that caylee was in the trunk of the car? If they do they need to charge her now and keep her but in jail. The anthony house is quite tonight no one out there. If they would keep her in jail maybe that would keep someone from getting hurt. I wonder how g and c is paying that high price lawyer they have got. I know I would not be able to pay him. I don;t know who will pay casey;s lawyer but he may not have to be paid. not sure on that. I think casey;s lawyer has took a real like in her. jmho:rose:

[Rebel Rouzer]

That has nothing to do with it. Not a thing. Informing someone that you're taping a conversation with their permission does not obliterate their responsibility in advising her of her miranda rights. They are two very different things with the most importance of mirandizing her.

Your post doesn't even pertain to my post.

I didn't say anything about the taping itself.

They do not have to read her her rights until they consider her a suspect or are interogating her. Which they were not doing at that pont. They also need to read her her rights when they have her in custodial enviroment. Not allowing her to leave.

Casey Anthony of her own free will and volistion was helping LE file a missing persons report and giving information to aid in finding her daghter. She was not In custody or custodial environment and she was not being interogated.

Maranda rights should have been read after she was deemed a suspect in this particular situation and that was after the last interview and she admitted to lying.

[True2Blues]

If she wasn't mirandized then the tapes won't be admissible in court.


Was she under arrest at the time of the interviews? I know she was arrested that day, but was it after the interviews?

She was informed, on the tape, that she wasn't locked in and she said that she was speaking voluntarily, in an effort to help them find Caylee (one of many lies). She knew she was being taped and didn't object.

[kakax]

Maybe she bought a one way ticket to CA and LE found it. Now that would be great. I would imagine it takes a lot of man hours to scour your hard drive, if you were a fan of online social networking sites too. A gold mine of information. Maybe she made flight arrangements, that did NOT include little caylee? Something like that? Im thinking the Marine didnt know that Caylee existed and that was what she had to tell him; just a guess who knows. :shrug: U are all great soundingboards, hope you dont mind. Dots


When was the Marine contacted? I'm sorry if this has been asked and answered.
I think that the Marine was her next in line for fatherhood, if that is what you mean.

[impartial]

Thank you! you made it very easy for me to understand :beer:



Your welcome.

I think they should have covered her rights with her. She would have spoken anyway.



IMO

[OneUp]

It's been mentioned on other sites; Topix? Casey had been emailing, texting and calling Mark Hawkins, a Marine in Twenty-Nine Palms, California. There's a huge military base there. She also mentioned in her MySpace message to him that she had something to tell him. She'd been communicating with Mark Hawkins up until the day Amy took Cindy to Tony's apt to retrieve Casey.

A brief search shows a Lauren Hawkins who attended Twenty-Nine Palms High School 1995-1999 (Classmates.com?). Not sure if this is the same Lauren who is connected to the O-house and also babysat Caylee. Maybe this Lauren who went to school in California and moved to Florida is Mark Hawkin's sister?

Also, a brief search shows there's a John R. Hawkins – Fire Chief in Twenty-Nine Palms, California.
Well Tiny! If that is true, it's just one more entangled relationship between Casey and her contemporaries.
I still think Ca. with Mark was her next move.
JMO.

[Unperson1984]

If she wasn't mirandized then the tapes won't be admissible in court.


I'd be willing to bet she was given her rights, likely before they arrived at Universal.

[KKKKKKatie]

Your welcome.

I think they should have covered her rights with her. She would have spoken anyway.



IMO

you are probably right...she just loved to talk lol

[desmom]

The charges have no bearing on the admissibility of those tapes not being allowed in court without having first read her miranda rights.


What about her hand written statement she gave LE on 7/16/08 at 1:05 a.m.?

"I, Casey Anthony do hereby voluntarily make the following statement without threat, coercion, offer of benefit or favor by any persons whomsoever."

and at the bottom of her statement:

"I swear/affirm the above and/or attached statements are correct and true. Signature: Casey Anthony"

TIA

[g jacks]

My understanding, correct me if I am wrong, did
someone, family, put up last bond of 500,000 and the small amount on her previous arrest. Did not Padilla or their people post? If not, my memory is gone. Thanks. From what I understand her last 500,000 bond was posted again by unknown plus (the parents put up their home, assests) the piddly squat of past charges...bond.

Confused more than ever. Thanks to any one who has knowledge or links?

BG
BG


IMO and IMO only, I think something is going to blow wide open about the money. Something is strange to say the least about where the money is flowing from now. I know there has been talk that they have been payed forward for some deals or whatever. I personally think someone needs to look into the Sun Trust bank fund that was set up in Caylee's name that is now closed. Makes me think that the wonderful people who donated generouslly to the fund may now be pocketing the A families defense fund for Casey. I don't know, but something is screwy here.

[kakax]

Amy, Ricardo, etc. weren't being arrested. No need to read them their rights.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Neither was Casey at that point. She wasn't arrested until later.

[barskin&co.]

what do you all think of her "random" talk excuse on this earlier tape anyway? She claims she discussed Caylee in Random talks which is terrible actually now that I listen again. And again the Laugh, when asked if she she knows any reason why Zanny would take her child? She laughs. She just digs this hole, digs and digs and digs....it's hard sometimes to go back to the beginning in cases after months of developments. Mentions Caylee getting "hurt" again, and not seeing her again. Refers to her daugher, as a "kid" also. Distances herself from her. She's unplugged. So this was the first false report. AS far as Im concerned. Just making sure you've all heard this tape. :eek: BTW CASEY a beauty mark, is a BIRTHMARK, you're born with it stupid!! When she describes Caylee's "birthmark" she is so nonchalant. It's hard to go back and listen to anything she actually said. So; LE lets arrest her on making a false report to police. Is that a felony or a misdemeanor? I am not sure about FL law. But there are more than one instance of a false report here. If Cindy has lied, then her three calls would also be false reports. You could certainly bring them all in on that; couldnt ya? Then we also have Georges False report with the gas cans which set me off on the fact they are lying, in the first place!! UGH!! http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/orl-casey-anthony-interview-1,0,3645214.mp3file

Jenny, you don't have to be so cool and dispassionate about it. You can let out how you feel. :D You do realize she was arrested and charged with filing a false report.

Here on pages 29-34 are her handwritten, freely given in the early morning hours of July 16, signed statemennts accusing Z F-G of kidnapping her child on June 9. Statements that were complete works of fiction.

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/files/casey_anthony_documents01.pdf

[kakax]

Gah, I am still thinking there is a call girl aspect to her "line of work" Since we still dont have a REAL answer on that, it is becoming blatantly obvious to me. What was that recent case, woman went missing had a 5 to 6K mortgage on her home, single mom. Still missing, never seen again and then her life becomes an open book, she was hooking on the side, didnt work at the school at all. :shrug: I dont know how her parents or relatives thought she could handle her mortgage or pmt like that once a month, fgs. Sometimes these cases have so many red flags and no one sees them. :rose: Casey went somewhere every day; and posed to everyone that she was at work, where the hell was she? Where did she gas up her car every week? Where did she shop? How much of her do they have on CCTV anyway? Have they checked the malls, the play area to see if Caylee is on the tapes there? Have they checked all the CCTVs in the area she worked and played? I just am certain there is an apt we dont know about. She had to have a pad. She doesnt look like the alley kind of call girl to me; if that was her thing.

If she was a call girl, wouldn't she have money? She seemed absolutely flat broke.

[impartial]

I'd be willing to bet she was given her rights, likely before they arrived at Universal.



One would think so, given the tone and nature of the interrogation at Universal.

:seeya:

[g jacks]

Neither was Casey at that point. She wasn't arrested until later.

Thank you.

[desmom]

Definitely not this board. I'll tell you, I've held out hope that this OCSD was doing a good job with this case and praying they had information that we had no clue about which will eventually convict this woman.

But, if a person from a message board can just pick up the phone and call Yuri and find out that he's going to CA ON Thursday to talk with LP, well that makes me just a little bit nervous. Why in the world would LE share this info?

A poster at http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3384.msg454067#msg454067 heard it on Fox 35 this afternoon.

[kakax]

Well Tiny! If that is true, it's just one more entangled relationship between Casey and her contemporaries.
I still think Ca. with Mark was her next move.
JMO.


I do too!
I think she wanted to high tail it out of there.

[concernedmom]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17458657/detail.html

OFFICERS ALLEGEDLY ADMIT TO SEX WITH CASEY

Casey Anthony is reportedly causing a stir inside the Orlando Police Department. An inside source told Eyewitness News at least two officers have stepped forward claiming to have had sexual relationships with her.

These are 2 more beside the Tony that got fired and Jessie.
There are so many popping out of the woodwork it gets confusing.;)

[True2Blues]

If she was a call girl, wouldn't she have money? She seemed absolutely flat broke.

I don't think she was charging for her services. I think she gave it away free.

[concernedmom]

I don't think she was charging for her services. I think she gave it away free.

seems if you wore a badge she did.:biggrin:

[Rebel Rouzer]

One would think so, given the tone and nature of the interrogation at Universal.

:seeya:

It was a freely given interview and not an interogation unless the LE or coyrts deem that it was

[g jacks]

seems if you wore a badge she did.:biggrin:


Yeah, seems like the only talking she did then was telling them her price list. I can just see it now.....is that the list your sticking with or do you want to change it....:D

[desmom]

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If she was free to get up and walk out the door, would LE have left her go?

Melinda Duckett did ..... IIRC, she got up and left during several interviews with LE. jmo

[Joan Weiss]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17458657/detail.html

officers allegedly admit to sex with casey

casey anthony is reportedly causing a stir inside the orlando police department. An inside source told eyewitness news at least two officers have stepped forward claiming to have had sexual relationships with her.

These are 2 more beside the tony that got fired and jessie.
There are so many popping out of the woodwork it gets confusing.;)sex, lies and audio tape.

[dixie77]

If she was a call girl, wouldn't she have money? She seemed absolutely flat broke.
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I kind of remember Casey was saving money to buy a car?
But i have been thinking for a long time now that she was working for an escort service. but this is JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

Melinda Duckett did ..... IIRC, she got up and left during several interviews with LE. jmo


Yes she did...poor little Trenton :rose:

[kakax]

sex, lies and audio tape.

rofl! Too funny!

[concernedmom]

Cindy & George need to start a list. When they call LE on the protesters they need to ask "Oh by the way, did you sleep with Casey?"

[Pruddennce]

It is possible that Casey contacted Mark on a third party computer ( other friends, library, coffe shop...).
I'm not sure if they would have to retrieve his hard drive in person or not. Maybe they want to interview him in person? If they feel he is not being totally forthcoming that might be a factor, or they might wish to rule that out.
I had also felt that Casey may have intended to tell Mark he was Caylee's father . Bear in mind that I have no idea for certain if they even knew each other that long, but my instincts lead me that way FWIW. NOW, that would not mean he was in fact, but LE might be planning on doing some exclusionary DNA testing while they are at it. I know we've gone back and forth on whether or not Paternity is important to the case. Regardless of our opinions, I think it is important to LE. They did state they had contacted Ortiz's family and questioned them, and mention was made that his blood was stored from the acccident to prove there was no substance use involved ( I think that's why)...thus it was available for DNA testing too.
JMO.

oneup, what exactly, if you know, is her relationship with Mark? where did she know him from?

best regards,
Pru

[KKKKKKatie]

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I kind of remember Casey was saving money to buy a car?
But i have been thinking for a long time now that she was working for an escort service. but this is JMO

didn't she tell Tony that Daddy was buying her one? And even talked about what kind and color :rolleyes:

[OneUp]

If she was a call girl, wouldn't she have money? She seemed absolutely flat broke.I agree with that! Even the money she stole was used on pretty low rent purchases..Target clothing for example ( I do shop there myself, but it's not what I'd call "high end"). If she were making money as a call girl ( not pimped out on crack on a corner), she should have had cash to spare...no expenses, IMO no big drug habit ( I am certain if she had gone through withdrawal in jail, the media wold have found out and shared that) no known savings...AFAIK, no big purchases to show for it. $700.00 should be peanuts to any "respectable" professional girl, even strippers pull in better than that!
I have to add that the agency affiliated "working girls" I've met/heard of had pretty expensive tastes and wasted their funds like they were pouring out water. And they def. had top of the line lingerie, clothing, and personal care ( hair, nails, waxing, etc.). Casey certainly didn't spend much money on her appearance, and we all know you gotta spend money to make money.
JMO.

[KKKKKKatie]

oneup, what exactly, if you know, is her relationship with Mark? where did she know him from?

best regards,
Pru

the only thing I remember is that they went to high school together...

[steffaroob4]

A poster at http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3384.msg454067#msg454067 heard it on Fox 35 this afternoon.


LP has been talking with a poster from fox35 for quite a while, it was funny, because she would blog about what they talked about and funny thing he would bring up the stuff on NG that, like the Zanny the Nanny story.

I have real concerns about his honesty on certain subjects, and I am not the only one who has seen his stories get bigger and bigger each time he was on another show. I remember the night he held his fingers up and was naming off 5 people that they were interested in, naming off several of casey's friends, including Amy, what was so interesting to me is the names he stated that night where being talked heavily about for a few days before at another popular message board. And of course there had been NO proof any of them had done a thing wrong.

[g jacks]

You know, for some reason I see her sitting there motionless like when Cindy Anthony sticks her face into the Protestors faces. She has done this several times, this posturing behavior. Much like a rooster actually now that I think of it :eek: I picture her staring right at them, not flinching. I've seen her flinch a couple of times, it's minute and you really have to look for it. In the court room when she trips, and today in the car, with the seat belt. I was yakking about that earlier today. She doesnt flinch much. Makes me wonder if she was an abused kid. Has anyone come forward besides Rick to give any info on the family Dynamics in this case? Why do these people act like this? Why did this happen? Did Caylee have bruises often on her body? Why didnt she go to a daycare center like most kids for exposure. Why did the GPs go along with this "nanny" BS? Am not sure I will ever get it.


Very observant Jenny! I saw the same thing too. Only time she has shown the world vulnerability in an o' so subtle way.

[Unperson1984]

One would think so, given the tone and nature of the interrogation at Universal.

:seeya:


Exactly, they already knew and confronted her with lies during the interrogation, so they obviously considered her a POI at that point.

[panokatana]

Odd...
In our cast of characters...we have Juliette Lewis, Simon Birch, Zanny the Nanny, and now Mark Hopkins from California. IIRC, Mark Hopkins is the name of a luxury hotel in San Francisco.
It's like a weird alternate universe.


JMO

[concernedmom]

I agree with that! Even the money she stole was used on pretty low rent purchases..Target clothing for example ( I do shop there myself, but it's not what I'd call "high end"). If she were making money as a call girl ( not pimped out on crack on a corner), she should have had cash to spare...no expenses, IMO no big drug habit ( I am certain if she had gone through withdrawal in jail, the media wold have found out and shared that) no known savings...AFAIK, no big purchases to show for it. $700.00 should be peanuts to any "respectable" professional girl, even strippers pull in better than that!
I have to add that the agency affiliated "working girls" I've met/heard of had pretty expensive tastes and wasted their funds like they were pouring out water. And they def. had top of the line lingerie, clothing, and personal care ( hair, nails, waxing, etc.). Casey certainly didn't spend much money on her appearance, and we all know you gotta spend money to make money.
JMO.

We are in a depression. Sales jobs suck nowdays.:lol:

[dixie77]

didn't she tell Tony that Daddy was buying her one? And even talked about what kind and color :rolleyes:
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U could be right but i just dont remember for sure.

[Boxer]

If she was a call girl, wouldn't she have money? She seemed absolutely flat broke.




maybe she wasn't very good?


a while back there was a guy posting on craigslist that said he found her pic in the adult section of the site and called the police...something like that.

[impartial]

Odd...
In our cast of characters...we have Juliette Lewis, Simon Birch, Zanny the Nanny, and now Mark Hopkins from California. IIRC, Mark Hopkins is the name of a luxury hotel in San Francisco.
It's like a weird alternate universe.


JMO


OMG ... roflmao


I love the Mark Hopkins Hotel. Now I will have to cross it off my list.

[panokatana]

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I kind of remember Casey was saving money to buy a car?
But i have been thinking for a long time now that she was working for an escort service. but this is JMO

I always thought that those pics that we aren't allowed to post here, alluded to the fact that she was "advertising" with those catch-phrases. I mean, why have that posted...if you're looking for a "domestic" relationship, say...with TonE, who could find them as easily as we did.

JMO

[kaylynn]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17458657/detail.html

OFFICERS ALLEGEDLY ADMIT TO SEX WITH CASEY

Casey Anthony is reportedly causing a stir inside the Orlando Police Department. An inside source told Eyewitness News at least two officers have stepped forward claiming to have had sexual relationships with her.

These are 2 more beside the Tony that got fired and Jessie.
There are so many popping out of the woodwork it gets confusing.;)

This case is getting more and more ridiculous, sickening, frustrating, and not about Caylee. :mad:
:rose:For Caylee. There are people out there who will always care for you sweetheart.

[bchand]

A poster at http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3384.msg454067#msg454067 heard it on Fox 35 this afternoon.

Thanks for finding it desmom. I've been over there looking.

So they heard it on the news but how did WS confirm it I wonder?

[steffaroob4]

LP has been talking with a poster from fox35 for quite a while, it was funny, because she would blog about what they talked about and funny thing he would bring up the stuff on NG that, like the Zanny the Nanny story.

I have real concerns about his honesty on certain subjects, and I am not the only one who has seen his stories get bigger and bigger each time he was on another show. I remember the night he held his fingers up and was naming off 5 people that they were interested in, naming off several of casey's friends, including Amy, what was so interesting to me is the names he stated that night where being talked heavily about for a few days before at another popular message board. And of course there had been NO proof any of them had done a thing wrong.


I forgot to mention, I think his dumpster tip came off of that blog, too. The one where they thought the picture of a generic dumpster was the actual dumpster that LE had taken pictures of.

[kakax]

maybe she wasn't very good?


a while back there was a guy posting on craigslist that said he found her pic in the adult section of the site and called the police...something like that.

I have a friend that (against my advice) posted on Craig's list like you would on a dating service. I don't know if that necessarily means you are an escort. She and Tony met up on facebook or myspace, so she was looking.

After all of these leaks, that is one leak that I think would have come out. Well, maybe not, the guys certainly wouldn't want to be associated with her or an escort service.

[impartial]

I'm drawing a blank ... who is Mark Hopkins?

[Genie]

MORE COPS? Do you have a link? I just can't believe what they see in this sl(t.....

Not sure what they see in her. Maybe just the sex but why is she chasing so many LE? Powder trip, men in uniform?

[g jacks]

I have a friend that (against my advice) posted on Craig's list like you would on a dating service. I don't know if that necessarily means you are an escort. She and Tony met up on facebook or myspace, so she was looking.

After all of these leaks, that is one leak that I think would have come out. Well, maybe not, the guys certainly wouldn't want to be associated with her or an escort service.

Yeah and they probably would want to keep that little secret away from thier wives too. :no:

[Boxer]

George and Cindy's new atty.

http://baby-bellys.com/_wsn/page4.html


ackackack



sorry, hairball.....:)

[Unperson1984]

I'm drawing a blank ... who is Mark Hopkins?

I thought it was Mark Hawkins?

[dixie77]

I always thought that those pics that we aren't allowed to post here, alluded to the fact that she was "advertising" with those catch-phrases. I mean, why have that posted...if you're looking for a "domestic" relationship, say...with TonE, who could find them as easily as we did.

JMO
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Oh ITA with ya.

[desmom]

That statement has nothing to do with her miranda rights. Two separate things. Her signature on that paper only verifies that she is swearing that her statements are true. Nothing written there is indicative of her being read her rights.

And we now know her written statement she swore was true, was full of lies....

The lies.... She dropped off Caylee with Zanny at Sawgrass apts. on June 9, she met her through Jeff H., Zanny watches Jeff H's son Zachary, Casey went to work at her job at Universal Studios, Zanny called Casey on June 12, Casey contacted Jeff H. several times, Caylee called Casey on July 15 at noon.

She did tell a few truths... She has lied and stolen from friends and family and she went to popular bars and restaurants.

jmo

[impartial]

The Marine from Calif.

Casey wrote to him that she had a surprise to tell him soon when she came out to see him.


Thank you.

When did she write to him about a surprise ... and when was she supposed to going to CA ... or was that only in her mind.

[g jacks]

ROFL Barb THANKS; yes I had forgotten that the orginal charge includes it! How'd that happen! I guess, I want them all brought in. I totally agree that they need to get them all in seperate rooms. And they need to search the storage facilities that LEE had access to. Trunks, suitcases, bins, lockers, things like that. Lol thanks again for tolerating me. It's late and Im tired, I still am not sleeping well AT ALL, dont know about all of you. Im trying, but still only sleeping about 5 hours each night. It's just not me!!! So I've not been quick with helping with links lately or anything cuz I just feel UGH! It's my sub cons with this case. I post to you all here, dont discuss this case really with anyone else in detail. Its like having to Purge; not that I've ever done THAT!!! And then that's it; I get out what is really bothering me about this childs life and this case. Even NG mentioned how much the case was bothering her, as a mom. K I'm off to read a tad on OJ OC and then I'm off to lala land I hope! Take care all. Dots


Nite Jenny. U give me such a laugh with your post, thanks....:seeya:

[bchand]

George and Cindy's new atty.

http://baby-bellys.com/_wsn/page4.html

O M G !

(see you Monday for DWTS!)

[Pruddennce]

It's been mentioned on other sites; Topix? Casey had been emailing, texting and calling Mark Hawkins, a Marine in Twenty-Nine Palms, California. There's a huge military base there. She also mentioned in her MySpace message to him that she had something to tell him. She'd been communicating with Mark Hawkins up until the day Amy took Cindy to Tony's apt to retrieve Casey.

A brief search shows a Lauren Hawkins who attended Twenty-Nine Palms High School 1995-1999 (Classmates.com?). Not sure if this is the same Lauren who is connected to the O-house and also babysat Caylee. Maybe this Lauren who went to school in California and moved to Florida is Mark Hawkin's sister?

Also, a brief search shows there's a John R. Hawkins – Fire Chief in Twenty-Nine Palms, California.

that would make sense, maybe someone knows for sure....the interview with his mother, AnneMarie Chase, who claims she knows Casey, who saw her at target...

best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

didn't she tell Tony that Daddy was buying her one? And even talked about what kind and color :rolleyes:Yes, she did. Said she was trading that one in for the new one.

Speaking of Tony, I was reading the docus and there's a statement in there from ANOTHER roomie of Tony's; Roy Clark. Geesh, a nest of college guys, ripe pickin's for Casey. imo

[BobbysGirl]

Her first bond was revoked by the insurer of the bond citing safety reasons. It was not revoked due to her re-arrest and normally would not be revoked unless she committed additional crimes while out on bond, which she did not. The bond was re-posted by an anonymous donor the second time around and her re-arrest this time should not have any bearing on the initial bond posted by the anonymous donor.

Thank you for your reply. So, her bond was re-posted. OKay. I understand/ Why not the re-arrest bond could can /be revoked? New charges now. It is up to a Judge? correct me if I am wrong/ 3 strikes. Now what? I am learning why the first, the second and now this re-arrest?

What do you think the Judge will do on her arraign in morn? I am baffled. As a bond revoked and again? I have seen cases that eventually NO Bond. All revoked. Or could be raised?

Geeeeeeese, I am losing my mind. I live in Texas. Shoot, Judges give a chance and then nothing.

Time for Judge to throw her in jail and make her stay there. Not get out again for the 4th time.
Absurd imo. Unless the state is hard up for $$$. Someone out there is giving Casey FREE WILL!

:(

BG

[bchand]

Alrightee then.

Is that dude on the bed in his jockeys? :chicken:

That's really the Anthony's attorney ! lolol

[OneUp]

oneup, what exactly, if you know, is her relationship with Mark? where did she know him from?

best regards,
PruThat is a fact I'm very interested in. If I come up with any FACTS, I'll share with the IS board. Right now, I'm gathering mainly rumors.
I do remember seeing pics. of Casey and Caylee wearing dogtags and military garments ( a hat?)...I wouldn't know if those are Marine or other service branches and if they are his or not. I read that he has known her since around her grad. year, but can't find a link, etc...too many things have gone *poof* since the first days of this.
Does anyone here know how to get a copy of her yearbook? If Tiny paw prints was right earlier, and Lauren ( presumed sitter until 2006) was his sister, then thats a link. I'd like to check her yearbook for his name, see if he went to HS w/her. IIRC, they had briefly dated, or more accurately "hung out together'
Sorry Pru, no factual information @ this time one way or the other.
I do know somewhere in those darned docs. someone mentions that he knew her before he left for the military, not sure when that was either.
Anyone with any links, etc. please feel free to help out.
I stand by my own instincts though. He factors into her agenda significantly.
JMO

[kakax]

Alrightee then.

Is that dude on the bed in his jockeys? :chicken:



I don't even have words for this rofl!

[g jacks]

Yes, she did. Said she was trading that one in for the new one.

Speaking of Tony, I was reading the docus and there's a statement in there from ANOTHER roomie of Tony's; Roy Clark. Geesh, a nest of college guys, ripe pickin's for Casey. imo

yeah, would have been a matter of time before she made her rounds in that group too. JMO, but she needs a long visit and sit down with the local health dept.

[Pruddennce]

The Marine from Calif.

Casey wrote to him that she had a surprise to tell him soon when she came out to see him.

the word surprised wasnt written in the narrative by LE. (unless its written somewhere else in those docs.)

what I read was:

"she needed to tell him something'.

'she did not know how he would react about what she had to tell him'

best regards,
Pru

[impartial]

There was no need to mirandize, she wasn't under arrest! These tapes were of investigative interviews to help find her missing child! They gave her numerous opportunities to change her story, asked repeatedly if what she was telling them was the truth, said repeatedly that she was there of her own volition yada yada yada. She was arrested for the lies she told in those interviews. At that time she was mirandized. What is so hard about this for people to understand>:shrug:



A person doesn't have to be arrested for Miranda to apply ... it applies for all custodial interrogations, regardless of whether they are before or after an arrest.

IMO

[dixie77]

Does Florida have the 3 strikes law there? If so, then Casey wont be getting out in the morning. right or wong? JMO

[Pruddennce]

That is a fact I'm very interested in. If I come up with any FACTS, I'll share with the IS board. Right now, I'm gathering mainly rumors.
I do remember seeing pics. of Casey and Caylee wearing dogtags and military garments ( a hat?)...I wouldn't know if those are Marine or other service branches and if they are his or not. I read that he has known her since around her grad. year, but can't find a link, etc...too many things have gone *poof* since the first days of this.
Does anyone here know how to get a copy of her yearbook? If Tiny paw prints was right earlier, and Lauren ( presumed sitter until 2006) was his sister, then thats a link. I'd like to check her yearbook for his name, see if he went to HS w/her. IIRC, they had briefly dated, or more accurately "hung out together'
Sorry Pru, no factual information @ this time one way or the other.
I do know somewhere in those darned docs. someone mentions that he knew her before he left for the military, not sure when that was either.
Anyone with any links, etc. please feel free to help out.
I stand by my own instincts though. He factors into her agenda significantly.
JMO

thanks oneup...I was going to listen to Cindy's testimony again, she mentioned Lauren as the babysitter but I dont recall a last name. she also mentioned Jessee Grund's family babysitting as well.

and also also also she stated: I thought Jessee was the father of Caylee....

just kind of blurted that out with no emotion...WIERD.

best regards,
Pru

[Ionmhainn]

one was an ex boyfriend, the other was found out about a month ago...:seeya:


That's what I took the info in the link to mean. It doesn't say two "more" officers. jmo

[Boxer]

Does Florida have the 3 strikes law there? If so, then Casey wont be getting out in the morning. right or wong? JMO

if they do it would be for 3 convictions, no?

[impartial]

Does Florida have the 3 strikes law there? If so, then Casey wont be getting out in the morning. right or wong? JMO


The 3 strikes laws apply to convictions ... not arrests.

And they have to be convictions for violent crimes.

IMO

[Boxer]

That's what I took the link to mean. It doesn't say two "more" officers. jmo

I meant it the other way, lol, due to the wording. I just didn't know how far back summer wanted. The wording today is that they came forward. The first two, one was the boyfriend and the second lost his job cause he didn't come forward. I think there are 4 cops in the limelight.

[panokatana]

There were also those odd pics in one of the umpteen photobucket collections -- IIRC, 4 of them. She was grabbing herself and the captions were quite suggestive. Might just be 'young folks today.' Might be something more.

The revolving door of men, especially cops, has got me re-evaluating a few things about George and Cindy's princess.

Between the "real life" boyfriends, the "imaginary" boyfriends, the police, the boys at Fusian, the marine (allegedly), the boys photographed at the party (Casey hearts "whoever"), the alleged advertising on craigslist, facebook...my goodness...she didn't have TIME for a real job! I can't imagine KNOWING that many people of the opposite sex, let alone intimate. (And I KNOW a lot of folks!)

I would just be so embarrassed for my folks to know such details...I couldn't imagine copping an attitude with them... She seems not to understand humility, at all. Parent's love and all...my mother would be marching me to the jail...(some of you might remember the old days...when the flyswatter was a mom's best friend?) "in front of your friends"... which is what they said to provoke the utmost fear of wrong doing in those days! One might confess to ANYTHING, just don't get in trouble in front of your friends! Maybe Cindy could have brought the flyswatter to TonE's...seems like Casey did worry about her mom embarrassing her when she confronted her at the apartment that night!

JMO

[dixie77]

The 3 strikes laws apply to convictions ... not arrests.

And they have to be convictions for violent crimes.

IMO
======

OK thanks

[g jacks]

Thanks for an eventful night guys! Cowboys game is almost over and hubby is looking at me like I'm having an online affair. See ya tomorrow..:seeya:

[tiny paw-prints]

Well Tiny! If that is true, it's just one more entangled relationship between Casey and her contemporaries.
I still think Ca. with Mark was her next move.
JMO.

I do too! I think she was trying to "convince" Mark right up until the time Amy and Cindy arrived at Tony's place. Kinda in the same way she "convinced" Amy about sleepwalking. Casey had so much time on her hands, she probably met Mark Hawkins online in some chat session. BTW, Lauren's last name is Gibbs.

[Pruddennce]

The oddity here is that Hawkins parents swear that their son has never met and has never known Casey, but weeks ago Casey's post to Hawkins showed up on his myspace page along with her picture. I saw it when it was there and so did a lot of others. Casey didn't state when she'd be arriving, but the way her post was formed it appeared to be in the very near future. She also did not elaborate on the surprise.

I think you are getting Hawkins confused with Hopkins.

Mark Hawkins' mother is AnneMarie Chase and she knows Casey.

Jeff Hopkins parents, their phone line was called, no msg. They didnt know Casey and she wasnt a friend of their son Jeff. Jeff Hopkins ran into Casey while at a restaurant, they share niceties and that was it....they hadnt seen each other SINCE HIGH SCHOOL. (he worked at Universal in 2002, Caylee wasnt born).

best regards,
Pru

[dixie77]

Is it possible that Casey had sexual relations with the 2 LE cops thru an escort service? Just a thought.

[panokatana]

Yes, she did. Said she was trading that one in for the new one.

Speaking of Tony, I was reading the docus and there's a statement in there from ANOTHER roomie of Tony's; Roy Clark. Geesh, a nest of college guys, ripe pickin's for Casey. imo


Nooooo...not a ROY CLARK, TOO! (pickin and grinnin) Sheesh.

[Boxer]

She's been arrested 3 times, not convicted 3 times. I'm sure Baez will want to wrap them up in a neat package or plea. We'll see what happens when/if she ever gets in front of a jury. But if they throw all the charges into 1 case, then she's 1 for 3 (conviction wise). IMO.

Peace,


umm, I didn't say she was convicted 3 times. In fact we agree on this.

[Joan Weiss]

A person doesn't have to be arrested for Miranda to apply ... it applies for all custodial interrogations, regardless of whether they are before or after an arrest.

IMOThat was not a custodial interrogation. You can hear the officer state on the tape that he is closing the door for privacy reasons. Casey responds; ie; she accepts that explanation.

Read here: "Confusion regarding use."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning

[Pruddennce]

I may be outta line here, but do you think he's the baby daddy and she was going to tell him she was missing? What other reason to fly out -- other than to hide from LE??

Thanks!

dont know about being the father....I dont what the connection is ex-boyfriend, childhood friend, family friend....

best regards,
Pru

[impartial]

Nooooo...not a ROY CLARK, TOO! (pickin and grinnin) Sheesh.



Would you please stop, I can't take it. :D

[Joan Weiss]

Is it possible that Casey had sexual relations with the 2 LE cops thru an escort service? Just a thought.Cops don't need hookers. imo

[barskin&co.]

Hawkins? I thought it was the parents of Jefferey Hopkins who claimed that he didn't know Casey?


You're right. It was the parents of Jeffrey Hopkins. The Jeffrey Hopkins that Casey claimed introduced her to Zenaida BlahBlah Hypen Blah.

We were able to track down a Jeffrey Hopkins Senior who also has a son named Jeffrey Hopkins.

According to the elder Hopkins, they know the Anthony family and were asked by the family not to talk.

But he said off camera, that his son worked for Universal Studios in high school. And he insisted that Anthony and his son never dated and has never met Caylee.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7092429&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1

[OneUp]

We are in a depression. Sales jobs suck nowdays.:lol:
:D..Oh You!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Colonial High School Alumni Class 2004
http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

[Ionmhainn]

I meant it the other way, lol, due to the wording. I just didn't know how far back summer wanted. The wording today is that they came forward. The first two, one was the boyfriend and the second lost his job cause he didn't come forward. I think there are 4 cops in the limelight.


I suppose that could be, but the wording was pretty vague. I just don't like to see things "run with" until they're confirmed. On the other hand, its not exactly evidence...:shrug:

[johnielee333]

:rose: A Day Of Peace For Caylee Starts Now ! :rose:

[Boxer]

Yeesh. I realize young people today are much more casual about casual sex, but I'd really like a younger person's read on whether the amount of men Casey seemed to be involved with -- on whatever level -- is the norm or beyond even what's normal for the times we live in. The cops thng is just ... weird, IMO.

Re: Cindy. I think if she'd played her cards right, she could've gotten answers out of Casey. I'm now in the camp that has decided either Cindy doesn't want answers ... or she already has them.


the 'she already has them' side is the funnest. :D


isn't the casual sex bit one of the signs of a personality disorder or two?

[impartial]

That was not a custodial interrogation. You can hear the officer state on the tape that he is closing the door for privacy reasons. Casey responds; ie; she accepts that explanation.

Read here: "Confusion regarding use."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning


They also didn't tell her she was free to leave ... and I doubt she was free to leave.

IMO

[panokatana]

Would you please stop, I can't take it. :D

Heh...sorry... but...it's like names being picked out of the TV guide! I mean...Simon Birch? Other than the movie (which, for me, conjures up quite the image of the tow yard guy "like raisins!"), how many of those do we actually know!? ;)
I promise...I'll hold off...bite my tongue if I have to...but...if...Buck Owens appears, I'll lose it for sure. :)

JMO

[johnielee333]

:rose: Peace,Love & Justice for Caylee ! :rose:

[tiny paw-prints]

that would make sense, maybe someone knows for sure....the interview with his mother, AnneMarie Chase, who claims she knows Casey, who saw her at target...

best regards,
Pru


I'm not aware of any interview with AnneMarie Chase.

From the very beginning of this case, I read that the bio-father of Caylee is Casey's best friend's boyfriend or ex-boyfriend. I've always assumed that Kristina Chester was Casey's best friend, especially since she was always embraced in the Anthony home by all family members. Although, since her Globe release, it doesn't now appear as such.

[ohio-53]

O/T Did someone that posts on the Caylee forum get banned since last night?

This poster was on my iggy list but I took them off because anytime someone would quote them I could see what they posted.

I have searched the member list , I know this person was posting last night but I can't find any of the posts.

Now back to Caylee. Casey where did you dump her?

[johnielee333]

:rose: Prayers For Caylee ! :rose:

[bchand]

Colonial High School Alumni Class 2004
http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

thanks, I had just found it too.

Mark Hawkins graduated with this class.

[johnielee333]

:rose: We All Love You Caylee ! :rose:

[OneUp]

George and Cindy's new atty.

http://baby-bellys.com/_wsn/page4.htmlI have to say that as cute as I think my babies bottoms are, I find that a bit out there! Definitely I guess those aren't for posting on the wall of the office! I have to say though, the picture seemed filled with happiness and love for all a picture means. They look happy, and Nejame is alot less creepy there than on Nancy Grace!
...and I'm VERY glad no one has a plaster cast of my Great Aunt Fanny on the wall!
JMO.

[Cury-us Coyote]

They also didn't tell her she was free to leave ... and I doubt she was free to leave.

IMO

Without transportation at Universal, Casey was free to call a friend or visit her faux office.
IMO

[Fallen Angel]

Is it possible that Casey had sexual relations with the 2 LE cops thru an escort service? Just a thought.

why didn't the girl get a REAL job?

[Joan Weiss]

They also didn't tell her she was free to leave ... and I doubt she was free to leave.

IMOYou've GOT to be kidding. She was leading THEM down the hallway at Universal. Go sell that someplace else. imo

[Unperson1984]

Does Florida have the 3 strikes law there? If so, then Casey wont be getting out in the morning. right or wong? JMO

Wrong, she hasn't been convicted.

[impartial]

Without transportation at Universal, Casey was free to call a friend or visit her faux office.
IMO


How did they get the use of the conference room anywho?

;)

[Joan Weiss]

O/T Did someone that posts on the Caylee forum get banned since last night?

This poster was on my iggy list but I took them off because anytime someone would quote them I could see what they posted.

I have searched the member list , I know this person was posting last night but I can't find any of the posts.

Now back to Caylee. Casey where did you dump her?o/t o/t o/t o/t

[Joan Weiss]

How did they get the use of the conference room anywho?

;)Casey?:shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

I agree and I think their own admission that they closed the door is not a good thing.They explained that, and Casey agreed. They did that because they know what they're doing. imo

[Joan Weiss]

:rose: We All Love You Caylee ! :rose:Yes, peace for Caylee :rose:

[Boxer]

Well I guess it would be for a judge to decide, but imo it was NOT a custodial interrogation. They made a point to have her verify that they were in a conference room with the door shut for privacy, it was not locked, and she was free to leave any time. When they confronted her with the lies, she did not leave, but remained of her own volition.
and apologized for not helping them more and purposely misleading them

[Pruddennce]

Hawkins photo was posted on his myspace page dressed in his fatigues at the time Casey wrote that to his page about her surprise. She stated the word surprise. There were other words with the phrase that she tried to sound excited, but I don't remember what her exact excitement was that she stated. Someone else in my office may have the screen shot from that page. I will check tomorrow.

thank you. I am, like others here, are trying to ascertain the connection....his mom knows Casey...family friend? neighbors?

Casey is so full of barf, its impossible to separate fact from fiction, she's quite the storyteller.

best regards,
Pru

[bchand]

It's been mentioned on other sites; Topix? Casey had been emailing, texting and calling Mark Hawkins, a Marine in Twenty-Nine Palms, California. There's a huge military base there. She also mentioned in her MySpace message to him that she had something to tell him. She'd been communicating with Mark Hawkins up until the day Amy took Cindy to Tony's apt to retrieve Casey.

A brief search shows a Lauren Hawkins who attended Twenty-Nine Palms High School 1995-1999 (Classmates.com?). Not sure if this is the same Lauren who is connected to the O-house and also babysat Caylee. Maybe this Lauren who went to school in California and moved to Florida is Mark Hawkin's sister?

Also, a brief search shows there's a John R. Hawkins – Fire Chief in Twenty-Nine Palms, California.

I checked the documents released and the initial babysitter's name was Lauren Gibb (or Gibbs - can't read my own handwriting).

Mark Hawkins graduated in the class Casey would have IF she had graduated.

[Joan Weiss]

What a rude comment.

You apparently do not appreciate law and fact and would rather that neither of those be injected into this case.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning

[Boxer]

Sorry - this case is getting to me. Sometimes I read the posts to fast :)


I can certainly understand that!:rose:

[Joan Weiss]

and apologized for not helping them more and purposely misleading themThat's where one of the charges came into play. She voluntarily said that, with no provocation.

[Pruddennce]

Colonial High School Alumni Class 2004
http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

Mark Hawkins.

best regards,
Pru

[ohio-53]

o/t o/t o/t o/t

I apologize ,I didn't know I wasn't allowed to ask this question.

[panokatana]

Yeesh. I realize young people today are much more casual about casual sex, but I'd really like a younger person's read on whether the amount of men Casey seemed to be involved with -- on whatever level -- is the norm or beyond even what's normal for the times we live in. The cops thng is just ... weird, IMO.

Re: Cindy. I think if she'd played her cards right, she could've gotten answers out of Casey. I'm now in the camp that has decided either Cindy doesn't want answers ... or she already has them.

Well, FWIW...I have 2 daughters (20 and 24). The oldest has had 2 boyfriends since high school. (One for the past four years.) The other is in her first real relationship, other than boy "friends". I just asked and they said...it depends on the area, sometimes. In a party place like Orlando, it's easy to have numerous "friends" and some are, as you said, more casual, regarding sexual activity. They both agreed that, in their opinion, she did have a higher number of intimate relationships than anyone they know personally.

My eldest daughter found it interesting that she had TIME to have that many in such a short span (going from one bed to another, putting on whatever face she perceived the lover of the moment wanted) ...even not working...especially if she had a daughter. One relationship is a lot of work! :)

She also thought it odd that Caylee, even though she was thought to be with her mother, wasn't left at home at night...to have a normal bedtime, and that the grandparents didn't seem to question Caylee being dragged from place to place...sleeping at one house or another. That just sort of screams...trouble down the road...sometime.
I'm glad...they question that! Let's me know, they know...how it should be.
That's about all the input from the now generation I have. I, too, would like to see what other young folks have to say.

JMO

[Joan Weiss]

Casey agreeing with that has nothing at all to do with miranda rights. Since we know that they closed the door it was then their obligation by law to read her those rights before questioning.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning


:read::read::read:

[BobbysGirl]

Does Florida have the 3 strikes law there? If so, then Casey wont be getting out in the morning. right or wong? JMO

Dixie, I know nothing about state laws. No one knows if she will be getting out in morn. Some thought she would be out in few hrs after arrest. Whether she turned herself in or not, is not relevant. She went in (from what I understand) on her advice of attorney. IMO She spent days there this past week and knew what was going down. I would like to see Baez get her out of this one. I doubt it.

IMO he has a defense he is working on and hope she will get off on certain charges; whatever is up his sleeve. She spent many hours in his office iirc this past week. So news say.

I doubt Casey will get out of jail this time. Tactics. Sublime as they are....

Patronization on her part is not going to work.

Let her be where she is. Let the family know and realize.

Caylee....where are you?

BG

[barskin&co.]

Sorry - this case is getting to me. Sometimes I read the posts to fast :)

Well, then out you go!! We can't allow that stuff here. Wait, what did you say?

Details come so fast and furiously in this case, it's hard for us to keep our heads above water.

[Boxer]

Personally, I think if she had gotten up and left the room they would not have stopped her from doing so. They may have followed her but not stopped her. She was laughing at the guy taking the cruise, for goodness sakes. I do not think that it qualified as custodial. She never tried to leave, nore would she have. That was shere the spotlight was.

[OneUp]

I may be outta line here, but do you think he's the baby daddy and she was going to tell him she was missing? What other reason to fly out -- other than to hide from LE??

Thanks!That is where my mind has been going with this since the doc. release.
Either that he WAS or that she planned to con him into thinking he was Caylees dad.
I'm going to try to put together the few "facts" about Mark Hawkins ( not to be confused with Jeff Hopkins) and post them...it will take a bit though, my computer is groaning along with the weight of this case...I need to "clean it up".
JMO.BBL.

[panokatana]

Colonial High School Alumni Class 2004
http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

I wonder if the yearbook has any pictures of Cheerleader Casey?

JMO

[Pruddennce]

I'm not aware of any interview with AnneMarie Chase.

From the very beginning of this case, I read that the bio-father of Caylee is Casey's best friend's boyfriend or ex-boyfriend. I've always assumed that Kristina Chester was Casey's best friend, especially since she was always embraced in the Anthony home by all family members. Although, since her Globe release, it doesn't now appear as such.

its in the docs....on July 17th, Mark provided his mother's tele #, she was on a cruise, due back July 18th....LE spoke to her and she advised she last saw Casey on July 10th at Target. alone.

best regards,
Pru

[tiny paw-prints]

Is it possible that Casey had sexual relations with the 2 LE cops thru an escort service? Just a thought.


Casey's MySpace may have been a marketing outlet to meet up with available young men. She seemed to be very familiar with the police academy, so maybe she joined one of those online chat cafes?

She met Tony online and was able to quickly 'smooth' her way into his life and abode.

Her computer data will reveal a lot about what she was really up to and who she connected with, in person or otherwise.

[Pruddennce]

I think it is very curious that Hawkins has been avoiding LE and refusing to speak with them.

he called LE on July 17th. he is stationed in 29 Palms, California.

best regards,
Pru

ETA: in the yearbook class list posted above, he is listed. that is the connection.

[KKKKKKatie]

Well, FWIW...I have 2 daughters (20 and 24). The oldest has had 2 boyfriends since high school. (One for the past four years.) The other is in her first real relationship, other than boy "friends". I just asked and they said...it depends on the area, sometimes. In a party place like Orlando, it's easy to have numerous "friends" and some are, as you said, more casual, regarding sexual activity. They both agreed that, in their opinion, she did have a higher number of intimate relationships than anyone they know personally.

My eldest daughter found it interesting that she had TIME to have that many in such a short span (going from one bed to another, putting on whatever face she perceived the lover of the moment wanted) ...even not working...especially if she had a daughter. One relationship is a lot of work! :)

She also thought it odd that Caylee, even though she was thought to be with her mother, wasn't left at home at night...to have a normal bedtime, and that the grandparents didn't seem to question Caylee being dragged from place to place...sleeping at one house or another. That just sort of screams...trouble down the road...sometime.
I'm glad...they question that! Let's me know, they know...how it should be.
That's about all the input from the now generation I have. I, too, would like to see what other young folks have to say.

JMO

I have the feeling that these "relationships" were one night stands for the most part. You know...drinking it up in the bars and going home with a guy. I have nothing to base this on other than my observation of her party pictures IMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

I think it is very curious that Hawkins has been avoiding LE and refusing to speak with them.

What proof of LE avoidance is there? TIA

[barskin&co.]

he called LE on July 17th. he is stationed in 29 Palms, California.

best regards,
Pru


I find it curious that people are so curious about the people (innocent bystanders) in Casey's life, that they make veiled insinuations so easily.

[Pruddennce]

I find it curious that people are so curious about the people (innocent bystanders) in Casey's life, that they make veiled insinuations so easily.

its the way of the boards...lol...the guy isnt even local, so I dont know how he is 'avoiding' LE, when HE himself called LE on July 17th. and his mother spoke to LE.

best regards,
Pru

[KKKKKKatie]

I find it curious that people are so curious about the people (innocent bystanders) in Casey's life, that they make veiled insinuations so easily.

as if Casey hasn't caused them problems enough :rolleyes:

[Boxer]

I find it curious that people are so curious about the people (innocent bystanders) in Casey's life, that they make veiled insinuations so easily.

and I find your curiosity about curiosity to be very centralized....even more curious now.

[desmom]

I think it is very curious that Hawkins has been avoiding LE and refusing to speak with them.


I must have missed that...do you have a link? TIA

[Boxer]

LOL - I'm drowning -- help me :)

I just read a poster wrong -- we all do that once in a while.

Begging forgiveness!

orange lifesaver?

[Joan Weiss]

Personally, I think if she had gotten up and left the room they would not have stopped her from doing so. They may have followed her but not stopped her. She was laughing at the guy taking the cruise, for goodness sakes. I do not think that it qualified as custodial. She never tried to leave, nore would she have. That was shere the spotlight was.Read "Note..." (fifth paragraph)


http://www.usconstitution.net/miranda.html

[panokatana]

I believe you are right about the parents. Hawkins is the one who has so far refused to return LE's messages. Maybe that is why Yuri is flying out to pay him a personal visit.

Maybe he was deployed...(or volunteered for a deployment)? I know, it's kind of dodgy for a military member to talk to the press without advice from military council. Not sure, other than that, why he wouldn't have spoken to LE (along with his military legal representative.)

JMO

[Pruddennce]

Casey's MySpace may have been a marketing outlet to meet up with available young men. She seemed to be very familiar with the police academy, so maybe she joined one of those online chat cafes?

She met Tony online and was able to quickly 'smooth' her way into his life and abode.

Her computer data will reveal a lot about what she was really up to and who she connected with, in person or otherwise.

I agree with your comment about the networking online....she certainly did squeeze her way into Tony's life....judging from his interview with LE, he wasnt that enamored with her....he went away and wasnt interested in telephone and texting constantly with her, he says.

and.....

he never went back regarding leasing the new apt (the friend of Casey's, Crisp, when the 3 of them met and he filled out a contact form)....Crisp asked Casey about it and she avoided answering him...just wanted to talk about him coming to the 'club'...which he says in his statement.

I have a feeling Casey was looking to set up house with him and he wasnt going for it. instant family and all...

best regards,
Pru

[johnielee333]

Thanks for the reminder, johnielee333. :rose:

you are so welcome ! :rose:

[panokatana]

We know it doesn't have any of her in her cap and gown. :rolleyes:

You don't suppose she had a 'private ceremony' at another location...no photographs, because the sim card from her camera was lost? "I have a diploma, my parents have SEEN it!" :rolleyes:

JMO

[johnielee333]

Yes, peace for Caylee :rose:

:rose: for Caylee.

[Pruddennce]

I believe you are right about the parents. Hawkins is the one who has so far refused to return LE's messages. Maybe that is why Yuri is flying out to pay him a personal visit.

no, I believe you have him confused with yet another person, Dante who worked at a car place....he is still around online..Im sure LE caught up with him.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=48179844

best regards,
Pru

[OneUp]

Colonial High School Alumni Class 2004
http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htmTY so much! This does list both Casey Anthony And mark hawkins in the same class. So he has certainly been around long enough to be a candidate. Now, whether or not the "circumstances" allowed for that is another subject. But we can confirm they at least knew each other before she began calling him recently.
I do note this especially as Casey seems to only have a few ( about 4) peers she has know more then months or maybe a year.
JMO...still looking.

[desmom]

2 Separate Sightings of Caylee Anthony in the Miami, Doral Ft. Lauderdale area

http://myfloridaroundtable.com/blog/?p=448

They have been seen at various hotels and no one called LE? They have pics of cars, but no pics of the child, the older couple transporting her or Zanny?

:rolleyes:

[johnielee333]

Caylee, we hope you are found soon & can have a nice place to rest.

:rose:

[PolyGraph]

Since we have all seen much more evidence than earlier on in the case I would like to start some 'new theory' topics here.

Early on in the case I thought caylee may have died in some type of accident, hot car theory, some accident resulting from casey neglecting caylee etc. After reading 'some' of the documents, hearing the police interviews (and noting casey's stoicism) I am now starting to see a mental picture of what MAY have happened. Of course this is MOO.

Apparently there was that fight that casey had with her parents before she moved out, And, In MOO, the threat looming over her head that custody battles would ensue if she did not 'get a job' or do what her parents asked. Maybe casey was already angered at her mothers requests and at having been kicked out of the house, the pressure got to her and maybe, MOO here, Caylee starting crying one afternoon because she missed her grandmom and wanted to be with her instead because IIRC I read somewhere that a family member had stated that Caylee enjoyed being with her grandmom more than her own mother. So..maybe Caylee was getting highly upset and crying, perhaps even to the point of screaming for her grandmother and it enraged casey to no end that her daugther was crying for her grandmom and not her, so casey did the unthinkable. It may have been murder but not premeditated. I dont know I could just see that happening because of all the times the baby was with the grandmom and then casey taking her away it had to affect the baby and Im sure there were nights casey could not handle it with no one else around to help, so that is my theory. What do you guys think? This story is so depressing.

God Bless LIttle Caylee:rose:

[barskin&co.]

Who does that site belong to?

We were talking about that site last night. Look at the lunacy that they are posting: sightings of a white cadillac with not a hint of what is has to do with anything.

[Pruddennce]

They have been seen at various hotels and no one called LE? They have pics of cars, but no pics of the child, the older couple transporting her or Zanny?

:rolleyes:

well, its pretty laughable that someone took pictures but didnt call LE....lol but they are asking everyone to look for the cars that they already scoped out and confirmed to be Zanny and gang...

whattttttt?

best regards,
Pru

[Boxer]

Wow. Seven months back you say?


what a find!

[panokatana]

Hey! Thanks for the detective work with your own 20-somethings. :seeya:

That's kind of what I figured. Casey was a busy, busy girl.

The mystery of where Caylee was at night, both before and after Casey left home in June, draws on. Somehow, I think its key to learning more about what happened to that baby.

I agree. I want to think that Cindy had enough experience placating Casey, that she could have come up with something to keep Caylee at home during the nights...for stability...and let Casey think it was her OWN idea. Maybe if she acted like it was an IMPOSITION, Casey would have been more likely to leave her! ;) I have a hard time with the baby not being able to go to sleep in her bed...early...wake up early, have friends to play with...
AND...I just can't imagine Cindy..."tucking in Casey" along with Caylee that night. Casey just doesn't seem like the tucking in type.
I think Caylee was getting more talkative and Casey might have been afraid to have left her alone with the grandparents...in case they questioned any of the stories Casey had in place at the moment. As far as Caylee never mentioning Zanny...it would have been simple for Casey to tell her any one of many people...was Zanny...tell Caylee made up stories about a Zanny, so that she would repeat them. She went to a lot greater lengths in some of her stories.

Of all the families...in all the world...this happens...to the oddest behaving folks I've ever heard about. :shrug:

JMO

[Pruddennce]

Well.. JMO but the account there sounds exactly like the crapola some nutcase was selling on WS a while back.

this is quite a double-wide bandwagon at this point..lol

good grief.

best regards,
Pru

[tiny paw-prints]

its in the docs....on July 17th, Mark provided his mother's tele #, she was on a cruise, due back July 18th....LE spoke to her and she advised she last saw Casey on July 10th at Target. alone.

best regards,
Pru

Wow! I'm getting a visual ... Casey at Target spending Amy's money and she runs into Mark Hawkins' mother--just days before Amy returns home from PR and Cindy ropes Casey back home.

Casey knows Mark Hawkins' mother, AnneMarie Chase.

[desmom]

well, its pretty laughable that someone took pictures but didnt call LE....lol but they are asking everyone to look for the cars that they already scoped out and confirmed to be Zanny and gang...

whattttttt?

best regards,
Pru

I wonder how many white 4 door Cadillacs are in Miami. :D

[impartial]

well, its pretty laughable that someone took pictures but didnt call LE....lol but they are asking everyone to look for the cars that they already scoped out and confirmed to be Zanny and gang...

whattttttt?

best regards,
Pru



How do we know they didn't call LE?

The site specifically requests that anyone seeing these vehicles call LE ... and lists LE's phone numbers.

:shrug:

[PolyGraph]

I agree with your comment about the networking online....she certainly did squeeze her way into Tony's life....judging from his interview with LE, he wasnt that enamored with her....he went away and wasnt interested in telephone and texting constantly with her, he says.

and.....

he never went back regarding leasing the new apt (the friend of Casey's, Crisp, when the 3 of them met and he filled out a contact form)....Crisp asked Casey about it and she avoided answering him...just wanted to talk about him coming to the 'club'...which he says in his statement.

I have a feeling Casey was looking to set up house with him and he wasnt going for it. instant family and all...

best regards,
Pru

Hey Pru,
I initially thought that too, I still think that theory has a strong possibility. I just posted my theory on a new thread about how I think caylee might have been crying for her grandmom and casey couldnt handle it and lost it so to speak MOO. I cant help thinking about that fight they had before casey left and the threat of the custody battles that casey may have been worried about...too coincidental to me not to have played some roll in this. Maybe its a conglomerative effect of all the factors I dont know:shrug:

[SandyO]

O/T Did someone that posts on the Caylee forum get banned since last night?

This poster was on my iggy list but I took them off because anytime someone would quote them I could see what they posted.

I have searched the member list , I know this person was posting last night but I can't find any of the posts.

Now back to Caylee. Casey where did you dump her?

Yes indeed. We are missing a couple, aren't we?

[OneUp]

Casey agreeing with that has nothing at all to do with miranda rights. Since we know that they closed the door it was then their obligation by law to read her those rights before questioning.Can I ask you, or anyone really...Haven't there been cases where statements have been admitted into court w/o Mirandizing? I've heard "bugged" conversations before, the written word, telephone messages, things said in interviews with the press...so why couldn't you utilize someones own words given freely when they were "helping" you search for their child. Whether or not they considered her a suspect is a little subjective...there is not exactly a cut and dry line unless you would want to go with public statements naming a POI or an arrest.
Did they feel she was a suspect? maybe, probably even...parents generally are in missing childrens cases.
IDK, but I would really like to know what that ISN"T mirandized is known to be admissable.
JMO, and Thanks in advance.

[Pruddennce]

I wonder how many white 4 door Cadillacs are in Miami. :D

:tongue:
best regards,
Pru

[barskin&co.]

Maybe she did and they advised her to keep her windows covered with tinfoil and ... oh nevermind.

She probably did call LE, but what about??? A white Cadillac?

911: Hello 911

Woman from blog: I want to report a white Cadillac.

911: Ma'am?

[BobbysGirl]

On a personal note.

I do not care who replies or not.

I do not care if Casey wears pigtails to court.

I do not care if she scre**** a hundred guys.

I do not care if she sits on a computer all day.

I do not care if she wears short shorts.

I do not care if she sits in jail or parents house.

I do not care if she sits in her lawyers office.

I do not care if she has 'issues' with parents.

I do not care if her parents have 'issues' with her.

I do not care if she lies, and lies.

I do not care if her parents lie.

I do care where Caylee is.

I do care if Caylee comes home. Alive or dead.

I care that Caylee is safe in the arms of an Angel or a Loved one.

I care that the Justice System works.

I care.

Good Night and Peace To ALL

Remember Caylee and hold her in your hearts.

BG

[panokatana]

Maybe she did and they advised her to keep her windows covered with tinfoil and ... oh nevermind.

She probably realizes it's "stupid" now, but she was doing her own investigation... going to places the white cadillac was known to frequent..., maybe passing out photos to McDonalds security... that's why she didn't call LE? :rolleyes:

JMO

[tiny paw-prints]

You don't suppose she had a 'private ceremony' at another location...no photographs, because the sim card from her camera was lost? "I have a diploma, my parents have SEEN it!" :rolleyes:

JMO

Yes, much in the same way as Cindy said she could HEAR them sleeping.

[johnielee333]

Dont let 'em bother you. Pay no attention to them.

Caylee we are all praying for you. :rose:

[Pruddennce]

Hey Pru,
I initially thought that too, I still think that theory has a strong possibility. I just posted my theory on a new thread about how I think caylee might have been crying for her grandmom and casey couldnt handle it and lost it so to speak MOO. I cant help thinking about that fight they had before casey left and the threat of the custody battles that casey may have been worried about...too coincidental to me not to have played some roll in this. Maybe its a conglomerative effect of all the factors I dont know:shrug:

well Poly, she most certainly was claiming territory with Tony....but never brought Caylee there overnite......

seems to me, IMO, she was never told hey, Caylee is welcome to stay, because I dont think her bunking there was anything serious to the 'boys'....kind of like a dorm...she came and went, but no Caylee overnite.....that was ok, in and out....

my belief is she just crashed there and was feeling out the situation...but it was not a situation for a single mother and her daughter.....that place was a typical average fun zone during their down time...and a little girl was not going to be a welcome addition.

I wonder if she was actually asked about rent if she was going to be staying there...and about Caylee...and was told it was a no-kid zone?

best regards,
Pru

[OneUp]

Caylee, we hope you are found soon & can have a nice place to rest.

:rose:TY johnie. I pray every night for Caylee to be found.I usually pray for healing for all those who love her as well and for the LE officers dedicating so much time and care to her case.
I'm glad there are many others praying for Caylee too.
:rose:Caylee, know that God is always with you.

[barskin&co.]

The two photos of a Cadillac?

I took a couple of photos of a silver Ford Focus the other day. Should I be calling law enforcement in Orlando?

I find it curious that you haven't informed OCSO, Landie. Curious, and centralized.

[panokatana]

Yes, much in the same way as Cindy said she could HEAR them sleeping.

The absurdity of that didn't dawn on me until you said this!
(Listening now, to see if I can hear my own family sleeping...)


Nope.

JMO

[Boxer]

g'nite all

[johnielee333]

TY johnie. I pray every night for Caylee to be found.I usually pray for healing for all those who love her as well and for the LE officers dedicating so much time and care to her case.
I'm glad there are many others praying for Caylee too.
:rose:Caylee, know that God is always with you.

i also pray every night for caylee & for casey to tell where she is.

[Pruddennce]

Oh come on, people had time to whip out their cameras but not enough time to get a license plate? How am I supposed to know if I "spot" one of these vehicles without a plate#? How do they know about 'various hotels'? If they know what Zaneida looks like, how come there's no picture or sketch? Not even a description! This is so obviously bogus it's laughable.

they 'believe' it to be Zanny, they know what they are doing, where they have stayed, who she is conspiring with (by visual), and and and....

took pictures....

and and and...

posted all this valuable information on the web...

ahem, why didnt shutter-flys follow the car and call 911?

oh puleeze.....lol

why do people develop viruses for computers?

best regards,
Pru

[PolyGraph]

well Poly, she most certainly was claiming territory with Tony....but never brought Caylee there overnite......

seems to me, IMO, she was never told hey, Caylee is welcome to stay, because I dont think her bunking there was anything serious to the 'boys'....kind of like a dorm...she came and went, but no Caylee overnite.....that was ok, in and out....

my belief is she just crashed there and was feeling out the situation...but it was not a situation for a single mother and her daughter.....that place was a typical average fun zone during their down time...and a little girl was not going to be a welcome addition.

I wonder if she was actually asked about rent if she was going to be staying there...and about Caylee...and was told it was a no-kid zone?

best regards,
Pru

I dont believe TL mentioned that in his interview with LE but perhaps he did tell casey in a 'round a bout' way or somehow made her aware that caylee's presence was not welcomed for overnights. I still am starting to think it has something to do with caylee becoming upset and possibly crying/missing her grandmother. and casey becomes enraged and cant handle it MOO. I listened to those interviews and could NOT BELIEVE how composed she was and how consistant her lies were, I dont think I could lie that well if I tried! And the lack of emotion clearly is not right makes me def think she has some type of mental disorder going on. Who could possibly maintain that composure when a police officer mentions your child being buried underground, even I got teary eyed listening to him say that! MOO I think this was no accident after hearing those tapes I dont know.

[Pruddennce]

I dont believe TL mentioned that in his interview with LE but perhaps he did tell casey in a 'round a bout' way or somehow made her aware that caylee's presence was not welcomed for overnights. I still am starting to think it has something to do with caylee becoming upset and possibly crying/missing her grandmother. and casey becomes enraged and cant handle it MOO. I listened to those interviews and could NOT BELIEVE how composed she was and how consistant her lies were, I dont think I could lie that well if I tried! And the lack of emotion clearly is not right makes me def think she has some type of mental disorder going on. Who could possibly maintain that composure when a police officer mentions your child being buried underground, even I got teary eyed listening to him say that! MOO I think this was no accident after hearing those tapes I dont know.

you could be right......it might be as simple as a freak-out...but....I tend to think not.....(most days lol)


my statement about rent was my opinion, not fact.....she might have been asked...

sigh.....yes, her composure....hearing about dead children...if she was innocent, the possibility of death is a reality lurking that would make one fill up with fear and sadness....she just hmmmm'd along when confronted with her lies....uh huh, mmmmm, hmmmm, affirmative....yes I lied.....

psychopath.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[barskin&co.]

Oh come on, people had time to whip out their cameras but not enough time to get a license plate? How am I supposed to know if I "spot" one of these vehicles without a plate#? How do they know about 'various hotels'? If they know what Zaneida looks like, how come there's no picture or sketch? Not even a description! This is so obviously bogus it's laughable.


What were they looking at? What were they reporting? They saw a white Cadillac...with some people in it!!!!

[Fallen Angel]

Lead Investigator Says Body In Trunk Was 3-Year-Old Caylee (http://www.wesh.com/news/17353349/detail.html)

Sounds like somebody is ghost hunting down there in Florida.

Anyone know if WESH Orlando was around seven months ago? :cool:

i know WESH orlando has been around at least 1 1/2 because i read about Anna Nicole on that site when she died.

[impartial]

“there is a strong probability” that Caylee Anthony is dead,

They are still dodging.


They aren't saying anything lately.

The time of the earlier articles ... leaks were hot and heavy right before the immunity offer expired. I smell a bluff.

If they had evidence that Caylee's dead body was in the trunk of the car ... they wouldn't be arresting her for economic crimes.

IMO

[tiny paw-prints]

“there is a strong probability” that Caylee Anthony is dead,

They are still dodging.

They also didn't mention about a 'strong probability' of a primary suspect of the 'strong probability' of a dead Caylee. I speculate there's a strong probability of a GC&L cover up and perjury.

[bookie]

What were they looking at? What were they reporting? They saw a white Cadillac...with some people in it!!!!


I think it's pretty obvious they were reporting (or trying to report) that one of those people looked like Caylee.

[OneUp]

Quoted from our "Index & Persons of 400pg Official Documents w/Links"
on the main page of the Caylee forum:

(MH) Mark Hawkins
In the military, active duty stationed in Cali. was communicating almost daily with Casey. Said Casey told him she was going to make a trip to Cali. Said Casey needed to tell him something and wasn't sure how he would react

(AMC) Ann Marie Chase
Mother of Mark Hawkins last saw Casey at Target on July 10th, 2008
Also, per this link:
http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm
The HS yearbook "Colonial High School Class of 2004 Alumni"
Casey and Mark Hawkins are both listed in the same class.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is the beginnings of the factual information about Mark and how he comes into this.
What does it mean? Nothing except that he IS significant to Casey. Very few peers have had contact with Casey for years, Kiomarie, Ms. Chester, Ryan P., Jesse Grund, and Mark Hawkins are the only names I know of in this investigation that go back years.
Mark is the only one to my knowledge who had ceased having contact with Casey for a distinct time period, and she suddenly called him up to reconnect in some capacity right around the time Caylee went missing and her life changed dramatically in several ways( it was before Caylee was gone AFAIK).
I want to see why he was significant enough to Casey to find and begin an ongoing relationship with again ( nothing romantic intended to be inferred).
This is important to her somehow, maybe he was just a place to run to and that's all...maybe there is more. I do not see anything insidious on his behalf. FWIW, I do think LE has some puzzle pieces regarding him that we do not.
I'm still searching for facts vs. rumors. The rumors I have plenty of.
I'm not sure where this is going...but it gives me something specific to follow.
JMO and all that Jazz...
:rose:Picturing you Caylee, in your star shaped sunglasses and with your "Mr. Potato Head"...you would love our playroom!

[bookie]

They aren't saying anything lately.

The time of the earlier articles ... leaks were hot and heavy right before the immunity offer expired. I smell a bluff.

If they had evidence that Caylee's dead body was in the trunk of the car ... they wouldn't be arresting her for economic crimes.

IMO


I agree. :seeya:

[tiny paw-prints]

Yeah.. real smart. See a white Cadillac & call law enforcement.

Would that be the Ghostbuster Mobile? :biggrin:

[barskin&co.]

Okey doke. Good night, folks! :seeya:

[luvinlife]

They aren't saying anything lately.

The time of the earlier articles ... leaks were hot and heavy right before the immunity offer expired. I smell a bluff.

If they had evidence that Caylee's dead body was in the trunk of the car ... they wouldn't be arresting her for economic crimes.

IMO



I am starting to think the same thing. Why wouldn't they arrest her? If all this evidence is true and they should have more than preliminary results by now, I would think that would be enough to prove that she killed Caylee. I don't know for sure, but it seems there have been others arrested on less. moo

[OneUp]

you could be right......it might be as simple as a freak-out...but....I tend to think not.....(most days lol)


my statement about rent was my opinion, not fact.....she might have been asked...

sigh.....yes, her composure....hearing about dead children...if she was innocent, the possibility of death is a reality lurking that would make one fill up with fear and sadness....she just hmmmm'd along when confronted with her lies....uh huh, mmmmm, hmmmm, affirmative....yes I lied.....

psychopath.....

IMO

best regards,
PruYes, and you and I at least "know" it.
Any mother of a missing child, missing for a month and with someone the mother herself states she no longer trusts...ANY mother would be very upset and crying, distraught at the merest suggestion that her child may be dead...dumped...buried. Just typing this makes me tear up.
As soon as I saw her response to this, any doubts I may have entertained about accidents, etc. flew out the window.
Caylee is no longer with us, Casey did it, and she is not sorry about anything except getting caught up with by Cindy.
JMO.

[Rayosunshine]

I believe you are right about the parents. Hawkins is the one who has so far refused to return LE's messages. Maybe that is why Yuri is flying out to pay him a personal visit.


If Hawkins are refusing to return LE calls, he are doing it wrong.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[impartial]

I agree. :seeya:


:seeya:


They screwed up by arresting her for child neglect when they did.

They have a November trial date ... they run the risk of double jeopardy attaching for later homicide charges.

IMO

[OneUp]

Good night all!:seeya:I am off to bed, going to ruminate and let my mind sort it out.
I now begin my Day of Peace to honor Caylee. I hope every child knows more peace and love than otherwise. My vow to keep that peace in this place for this day is a symbol of my belief in the rights of Caylee and all children to know the sound of peace and the security of love.
:rose:Bless you all, and rest well my dear friends.

[Rayosunshine]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning


:read::read::read:


Could someone define "in custody" as it applies to Miranda.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Rayosunshine]

I have.

Now you read this one. TIA

Lead Investigator Says Body In Trunk Was 3-Year-Old Caylee (http://www.wesh.com/news/17353349/detail.html)


For what reason would LE not have arrested Casey, based on those findings?

Isabelle
Ray'sMom

[Rayosunshine]

Would M. Hawkins somehow be exempt from LE, if he is on active duty? Just wondering if there is such a thing.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[luvinlife]

Would M. Hawkins somehow be exempt from LE, if he is on active duty? Just wondering if there is such a thing.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom



I don't know but he called LE right after Casey was arrested, it was a few days later. As per the docs

[tiny paw-prints]

There is a credible relationship between Rose, Waters and Casey.

Do you have a credible link to support the "credible relationship"?

There's a "strong probability" that the Nanny "absolutely" never existed.

The credible link is "centralized" somewhere in Casey's imagination.

And that's the Truth! :tongue:

[nutterbutter]

Good night all!:seeya:I am off to bed, going to ruminate and let my mind sort it out.
I now begin my Day of Peace to honor Caylee. I hope every child knows more peace and love than otherwise. My vow to keep that peace in this place for this day is a symbol of my belief in the rights of Caylee and all children to know the sound of peace and the security of love.
:rose:Bless you all, and rest well my dear friends.
lovely post.:rose:

[nutterbutter]

Would M. Hawkins somehow be exempt from LE, if he is on active duty? Just wondering if there is such a thing.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom
no I dont think so...........mo

[tiny paw-prints]

For what reason would LE not have arrested Casey, based on those findings?

Isabelle
Ray'sMom

This question has already been asked and answered.

It's an ongoing investigation.

Reference:
Charge/Court Case Number: Neglect Of A Child
482008CF0010925O

[aubrey04]

Does anyone remember (on the tapes) was Caseys rights read to her before they started questioning her? I dont remember hearing them do this on the tape. JMO

I am going WAY back to an earlier post but I wanted to respond..(up late..can't sleep again.. no work tomorrow anyway, so I can sleep in)..anyway..

I rewatched the bond hearing last night -- well parts and Yuri testified that he did NOT read Casey her rights because she was NOT a suspect at that point. They didn't know what was going on - they just knew they had a missing child.

JMO

This is... If you are talking about the taped interview which was conducted @ Universal Studios the day that she led them on a wild goose chase.

[aubrey04]

Good point!!!
I don't think they did KKKKKatie. IIRC, Yuri mentioned that after questioning Casey at Universal, they went back to the station and asked her a final time if she wanted to change anything about her story. Was the read her rights and off she went. IIRC, Jb made a stink about this at the bond hearing saying that Casey had nothing to hide because she was so willing to spit out all this info without even asking to speak to a lawyer. Then made a fuss about them taking her to the station to resume the "interrogation", Yuri corrected him that they didn't question her at police station, only clarified the statements that she made were what she wanted to stick with.

Ok, I kept reading ... this is a great post.. and very accurate.. IIRC

[tiny paw-prints]

There is a credible relationship between Rose, Waters and Casey.

Certiorari

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certiorari

:biggrin:

[aubrey04]

Looks like I missed out on the convo but im sleepy. gn folks.

:seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

Would M. Hawkins somehow be exempt from LE, if he is on active duty? Just wondering if there is such a thing.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

I don't believe, LE or not, that anyone can just walk onto a military base and demand to talk with a service member that is stationed there.

He is, in effect, the "property" of the USMC, and they would have to cooperate and make him available for sit down interviews. He also would have the right to have an attorney present and would also have to be willing to meet with LE while on the base.

We went through this with the Maria Lauterbach/Cesar Laurean case.

IF, and that's a big IF, Yuri is going to meet with Hawkins while in CA, he is receiving cooperation from the USMC in doing so.

JMO

[farrahrani]

For what reason would LE not have arrested Casey, based on those findings?

Isabelle
Ray'sMom

I think LE is simply taking their time, trying to put the pressure on Casey, with as many separate arrests as they can, letting her know that they will get around to the bigger stuff when they feel like it.

Let them take all the time they want, if it helps there case. You and I and the majority of the people on this board know Caylee is no longer with us, but every once in a while a troll, or someone playing devil's advocate will argue otherwise, as incredible as it seems.
Taking that into consideration, is it any wonder LE is biding their time, gathering evidence, talking to as many people as they can, and hopefully still searching for Caylee's remains.

I don't think they want to take the chance of this going to trial and ending up with some person on the jury playing the same game of devil's advocate spinning the theory that this girl is still alive somewhere, and end up with a not guilty verdict, or a hung jury. all IMO, of course.

[farrahrani]

I started a morning thread, I didn't realize this was still the evening thread that I was posting on >.< . Hope that's ok!

Link:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=340366

[SavannahStar]

You and I and the majority of the people on this board know Caylee is no longer with us, but every once in a while a troll, or someone playing devil's advocate will argue otherwise, as incredible as it seems.

*snipped*



I'm sorry that on this "day of peace" for Caylee you would post that people who don't go along with the majority opinion are trolls. :(

I myself believe Caylee is dead at the hands of her mother, but I respect anyone's right to think otherwise, as well as their right to post here on this forum.

:seeya:

[MyrDawn]

I'm sorry that on this "day of peace" for Caylee you would post that people who don't go along with the majority opinion are trolls. :(

I myself believe Caylee is dead at the hands of her mother, but I respect anyone's right to think otherwise, as well as their right to post here on this forum.

:seeya:

I couldn't agree more! Everyone has a right to their opinion, and believing Caylee is alive does not make someone a troll.

[CinTN]

And since she was taking pictures of the cadillac &g reen dodge, why didn't she take pics of the license plates too? AND the people getting into those vehicles. Not sure I believe this article or not.

It wasnt in the script ,,lol

:seeya: MORNING !!!

[SavannahStar]

I couldn't agree more! Everyone has a right to their opinion, and believing Caylee is alive does not make someone a troll.


:rose: Have a nice day, MyrDawn! Peace to you, my friend.

[crymeariver2006]

I'm sorry that on this "day of peace" for Caylee you would post that people who don't go along with the majority opinion are trolls. :(

I myself believe Caylee is dead at the hands of her mother, but I respect anyone's right to think otherwise, as well as their right to post here on this forum.

:seeya:

FWIW, I don't think that's what the poster meant. I personally took it to mean that while most of us do believe Caylee is no longer with us, the fact that Casey hasn't been charged with murder is what makes others believe that police have no evidence, not even of death. And that's the pat answer that is posted time and time again in response to what anybody says. (That would be trolling IMO)

That's just my take on it.

[MyrDawn]

:rose: Have a nice day, MyrDawn! Peace to you, my friend.

You too, friend! :rose:

Have you looked at Web Cam 2 this AM? Looks like they're all set up waiting for Casey to bond out again. :D
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

[Texas48]

I'm sorry that on this "day of peace" for Caylee you would post that people who don't go along with the majority opinion are trolls. :(

I myself believe Caylee is dead at the hands of her mother, but I respect anyone's right to think otherwise, as well as their right to post here on this forum.

:seeya: Please..what is a troll?