Monday, September 15th thread-Opening Statements

[CourtsideVue]

When you have a truck full of things from 1991 and you still have them in 2007 I would say it might be just a hint nobody wants them.

I bet Fred Goldman wanted it.

[legalmania]

Mike Gilbert was a very close associate of OJ prior to his murder trial.and he was the person who secreted all that STUFF from Rockingham prior to the search and seizure post Civil Court Seizure of items of monetary value to fullfill damages..(OJ had been tipped off???wonder who??) Oj was out goling..and knew nuthin.saw nuttin..heard nuttin!! In the meantime..this STFF got stashed into warehouse under OJ's mother's name...HUMMMM..I have heard Gilbert speak f all this..so not making it up or just taking media sin on that!

LMS:cuss:

Links evidence? Where's your proof?

[legalmania]

that would be true IF oj hadnt been hiding the stuff. noone could buy it if he was hiding it :shrug:


OK so now it was hidden and that's why nobody had any for sale. So all the people who bought stuff from O.J. previous civil trial. Didn't want to sell it because it was so valuable.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

When you have a truck full of things from 1991 and you still have them in 2007 I would say it might be just a hint nobody wants them.

I think you meant 1995..but maybe you know more about those items than we do?..Those items were in storage for many years..up to and including the years of no-payment if storage rentals...It only became an issue after Mrs. Simpson (Grandma.ma) died..hummmm..when in storage..they arent on the market..are they?hummm?

LMS

:confused:

[impartial]

Do I have the right link for the live feed? My link is showing the Seal of the Courtroom.

TIA

[legalmania]

this might help

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/books/05/10/oj.simpson.ap/index.html

corny posted it a while ago.

That's funny. So the prosecutors theory about the glove shrinking because of the blood was a lie. This guy Gilbert is a piece of work. He was doing things under the table because if workers compensation found out that he was making money they would have stopped his disability.

[lynbit]

Do I have the right link for the live feed? My link is showing the Seal of the Courtroom.

TIA

just depends on which link you want to watch. there's plenty of choices. they are still on break, but when on break loni and marta from ktla discuss the trial at this link http://www.ktla.com/pages/livevideo_channelb

[CourtsideVue]

Do I have the right link for the live feed? My link is showing the Seal of the Courtroom.TIA


If you want commentary during recesses, try this link.

http://www.ktla.com/pages/livevideo_channelb

We're currently enjoying the dynamic duo of Marta and Loni during this break.

[Details]

I think you meant 1995..but maybe you know more about those items than we do?..Those items were in storage for many years..up to and including the years of no-payment if storage rentals...It only became an issue after Mrs. Simpson (Grandma.ma) died..hummmm..when in storage..they arent on the market..are they?hummm?

LMS

:confused:Nor does it matter if they are trash or diamonds - theft is theft. If they thought they were valuable - then they were - and when they get the right collector, they'll get money for them. And how long you have something is no indication of how valuable it is - if I had a first edition Superman comic for the last several decades - could it then be stolen because it is obviously worthless?

[impartial]

they are on break right now so you are probably good. i'm on this link...

http://www.ktla.com/pages/livevideo_channelb

lonnie and marta are talking. they are great!


Thanks !!! ktla isn't posted on the link thread ... I love lonnie and marta.

Okay, I missed opening statements ... how did they go?

[legalmania]

I think you meant 1995..but maybe you know more about those items than we do?..Those items were in storage for many years..up to and including the years of no-payment if storage rentals...It only became an issue after Mrs. Simpson (Grandma.ma) died..hummmm..when in storage..they arent on the market..are they?hummm?

LMS

:confused:

No I meant 1991 when Fromong started selling OJ material, he said he would pay OJ to sign OJ stuff.

[impartial]

Thanks All for the links !!!

:seeya:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

That's funny. So the prosecutors theory about the glove shrinking because of the blood was a lie. This guy Gilbert is a piece of work. He was doing things under the table because if workers compensation found out that he was making money they would have stopped his disability.

And of course nobody ever try's to beat the system..:confused:

I would venture to say that most normal humans will attempt to do just that if they feel they can get away with it..and I dont think OJ would blow the whistle..do ya?..after all Mike G. was helping him to HIDE ASSETS!!??..Who ultimately would pay Big Time ??

IS they so foreign..or inconceivable??...NOT!

LMS

[legalmania]

i dont understand your line of thinking on this.

i thought you were only talking about the stuff oj was trying to get back. i was saying that he hadnt tried to sell it for all the years he was hiding it in the storage unit in his mom's name. you said it shows noone wanted it anyway if he'd had memorabilia that long. i was just saying it seems he didnt want to sell it because he had been hiding it in the storage unit in his moms name.

So are we on the same page, that OJ wanted to keep this stuff as he said for his kids and relatives because it really isn't worth a lot of money.

[impartial]

ooh i'll go post the link if noone else has. where's our queen of links when we need her?!

i love lonnie and marta too! i feel like we are having a family reunion with them, lol

opening statements were good on pros part, imo. my boss called and wouldnt hush up during half of it so i didnt hear it all.

yale's opening was very good if you didnt know the whole story he was spinning was a lie, lol. i swear i still dont know how he said that stuff with a straight face, lol.

stewart's lawyer looked like a bumbling boob, imo. his story didnt match the story yale told. yale even stood up and objected and wanted the jury to know that he doesnt agree with his story. it was great, lol


lmao

Thanks for the run down.

[legalmania]

And of course nobody ever try's to beat the system..:confused:

I would venture to say that most normal humans will attempt to do just that if they feel they can get away with it..and I dont think OJ would blow the whistle..do ya?..after all Mike G. was helping him to HIDE ASSETS!!??..Who ultimately would pay Big Time ??

IS they so foreign..or inconceivable??...NOT!

LMS

So your saying this stuff is worth a lot of money?

[legalmania]

at this point, if i were the pros..i'd pull out a diagram to scale and let fromong show where everyone was standing so the jury could see how small the room was.

I think you'll get a clear picture when the defense takes over, but I wonder where all the fancy diagrams and computer reinactments are? They are back.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

No I meant 1991 when Fromong started selling OJ material, he said he would pay OJ to sign OJ stuff.

Here's what I am referring to..and yes Fromong knew OJ/Mike since 1991..hwever Fromong stopped during the OJ's trial..and did NOT have any contact until 2004 or there abouts:

Snippet:
He met Simpson back in 1991 through his friend Mike Gilbert and Gilbert, Fromong and Simpson set up a company called Locker 32 to produce and distribute memorabilia. He stopped working with Simpson during the time of the first trial, in 1995, when he split the company, Locker 32, giving all of the duties of handling Simpson’s memorabilia to Mike Gilbert, and dropping OJ as a client himself because of potential fallout from the Simpson murder trial tainting the company and the other athletes it handled, who were not all supportive of Simpson during that time.
http://thedarwinexception.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/nv-vs-simpson-identical-to-the-one-oj-stole-from-me/

For the whole story..^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

LMS:)

[AnnInOhio]

So are we on the same page, that OJ wanted to keep this stuff as he said for his kids and relatives because it really isn't worth a lot of money.


There was a mix of items; the pictures were probably wanted for his kids. But he didn't value them enough to pay the storage bill. Happens every day to Joe Blows across the country that personal stuff gets sold at auction.

[AnnInOhio]

woohoo heres my diagram!!!

and indeed it is helpful!

[AnnInOhio]

pretty flowers. You can tell it's a female judge's courtroom!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I think you'll get a clear picture when the defense takes over, but I wonder where all the fancy diagrams and computer reinactments are? They are back.

I really hate to coin or refer to phrases..however..I cant help but respond to your estimate of defenses case in chief...

"If it walks like a duck..acts like a duck.. looks like the KING duck..rules all the other ducks..manipulates the other ducks..uses other ducks in his gaggle.." maybe just some of the accusations are true??? I simlpy cannot understand that what you know..see and hear is totaly a lie..Something has to be true.??

LMS:confused:

BTW..IF OJ had paid his dues (Judgement) he would not have had to deal with these underworld people..and I dont think that Fromong was undersworld..but do wonder about Riccio..Beardsley!!!?

[Details]

That's pretty much it. You don't pay storage fees, you forfeit the stuff in storage. Simple as that. This stuff was not OJ's to claim, legally nor by force.

Wow - some stuff still missing. Hmm - gun-toting thugs are not honest people who turn it all over to police?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

So your saying this stuff is worth a lot of money?

Did I say that??Not to me..but mayybe to some??..maybe to OJ/Furmong/Riccio/Beardsley..obviously it was worth something..why rent a hotel room..why have a meeting..why set up such a transaction??

Its the old saying..what is junk to some is treasure to others!!

LMShammer

[legalmania]

oh good, lol. i wasnt sure if we were arguing or not, lol

But I love to argue you couldn't tell. Just want to keep things interesting but friendly. So if I get out of line somebody can hammer my head.

[AnnInOhio]

But I love to argue you couldn't tell. Just want to keep things interesting but friendly. So if I get out of line somebody can hammer my head.


Nah! But I am led to wonder if the value of the items affects the severity/degree of the felony. Is robbery of a pencil a lesser charge than robbery of a gold ingot?

[CourtsideVue]

Is it just my computer or did all of you watching the KTLA feed just lose sound for about 30 seconds?

I hate it when that happens!

[legalmania]

i'm very confused! i think oj is guilty one million percent. imo it wasnt stolen property. he voided ownership when he didnt pay the storage fees. so imo, what he did was robbery...he stole his stuff from fromong.

legalmania...are you saying you think oj is innocent?

I don't know until I hear all the testimony. If there's reasonable doubt or not.

[AnnInOhio]

I tend to get robbery and theft confused.

[Details]

Boy - how long can this guy go on? OJ looks bored - I can't blame him. It's doing a pretty good job though of discrediting the notion this was a bunch of worthless trash and family photos - some pretty top level collectibles there!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I am sorry ya all...but I not for minute believe anything is "Authentic"...and it is imossible to know or to verify authentcity..given what we have seen of the "Memorbikia Industry"..Anybody cuold take footballs and have his majesty sign then..or.stamp signature..This stuff is mind boglin to me..Sort of like ART..and ya get it authenticated..whoops..oerson authenticating is on "THE TAKE"!!!

Billion Dollar Industry...when will wake-up??

LMShammer

[legalmania]

Is it just my computer or did all of you watching the KTLA feed just lose sound for about 30 seconds?

I hate it when that happens!

it's your computer. Only kidding go to http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1

[CourtsideVue]

The Juice is trying REAL hard not to fall asleep! LOL

Gimme a yard stick so I can *WHACK* the defense table and wake his a$$ up! LOL

[legalmania]

The Juice is trying REAL hard not to fall asleep! LOL

Gimme a yard stick so I can *WHACK* the defense table and wake his a$$ up! LOL

Did you try that link?

[llylabrat]

does anyone else thing the judge sometimes has inflections in her voice that sound condescending or otherwise inappropriate? "yes you may play 19" just did not sound very judge-like to me.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Yiks just heard the name Al Cowlings ..and only wish that he had been forced to testify in that murder case back then...He will have to live with what he did..that will be his burden..but for OJ make money on his association with him..is discusting!!

LMS

[CourtsideVue]

Did you try that link?

No because I only lost the sound for 30 seconds. It's playing fine now. Thanks though.

[Details]

I am sorry ya all...but I not for minute believe anything is "Authentic"...and it is imossible to know or to verify authentcity..given what we have seen of the "Memorbikia Industry"..Anybody cuold take footballs and have his majesty sign then..or.stamp signature..This stuff is mind boglin to me..Sort of like ART..and ya get it authenticated..whoops..oerson authenticating is on "THE TAKE"!!!

Billion Dollar Industry...when will wake-up??

LMShammerSeems OJ thinks it was authentic! He says it was his stuff.

But I know what you mean - but there is a lot of it that can be authenticated - laser etchings and the like - and a lot of it that gets authenticated other ways. And a lot of fake.

I worked in the jewelry industry - it's similar in a lot of ways. While a fake can easily be made to fool the average person, the one thing that keeps buyers relatively safe is that it's all about reputation - if you ever sell a fake, your reputation and your business is gone - never to come back. So while a fake is easy, buying from anyone with any reputation is pretty safe - the bit of money they'd get from scamming you isn't worth the loss of their business if word ever gets out.

[kellabeck]

And even AFTER proven guilty, Jamie says "innocent."

She is ludicrous.

[Details]

Fun battle over the question of did OJ threaten you - define threat, do you go into did you feel threatened, versus was an explicit threat made, etc. Fun stuff - classic defense attorney - if he can get this guy to say, "No, OJ never said anything threatening", he'll spin it in the final statement into the broader "This guy even admitted he didn't feel threatened by OJ!".

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Seems OJ thinks it was authentic! He says it was his stuff.

But I know what you mean - but there is a lot of it that can be authenticated - laser etchings and the like - and a lot of it that gets authenticated other ways. And a lot of fake.

I worked in the jewelry industry - it's similar in a lot of ways. While a fake can easily be made to fool the average person, the one thing that keeps buyers relatively safe is that it's all about reputation - if you ever sell a fake, your reputation and your business is gone - never to come back. So while a fake is easy, buying from anyone with any reputation is pretty safe - the bit of money they'd get from scamming you isn't worth the loss of their business if word ever gets out.

And like you recognize there are artifacts..and collectables that can be authenticated..BUT..as to the sports venue..I am a skeptic..sorry..since the legal eyes look at things as "Buyer Beware"..then I take it upon myself to make sure thins are autheniticated and documented..IF you know what i am saying??

In a nutshell..niot too trustful..Talk is cheap..documents are easily forged..and as a victim of identidy fraud..dont trust many people??

LMS;)

[Fallen Angel]

OMG his face turned red and looked like he wanted to cry......I feel sorry for this guy

[Fallen Angel]

He's crying .........basically he feels like OJ back stabbed him imo

[Details]

Seems really sad over losing that friendship - slightly choked up. Defense attorney doesn't like the tears much - he changed subject immediately to cold, unemotional business questions.

[Fallen Angel]

while i do have to agree that he and the other 2 victims were/are looking to make lots of money off the whole incident...to call him scum, IMO, is horrible and against the TOS. we dont vilify victims here. regardless of our opinion of him he was/is the victim and doesnt deserve to be called scum. imo.

This guy hasn't made ANY money i thought.......am i wrong?

[llylabrat]

This guy is SCUM...looking to get rich !!!! Just watch !!!

you think he is lying?

[Fallen Angel]

OJ looks like he might cry now too

[llylabrat]

Seems really sad over losing that friendship - slightly choked up. Defense attorney doesn't like the tears much - he changed subject immediately to cold, unemotional business questions.


grasso came out of the gate guns ablazin'...very aggressive, like he was going to impeach this guy all over the place.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Crying by Fromong..This guy is showing more emotion than OJ has EVER shown since 1995...HUMMM....I really wonder???What does this guy gain by being emotional?? It seems to me that this guy has a soul and feelings..This cross is going where?..So far not geting it??

LMS

[Details]

A cute interaction - probably reflective of the witnesses past relationship with Simpson - as talked about how he would work with Simpson to set up appearances, and he says the deal was that OJ would sit there and sign, and "be Mr. Simpson" - and he said that last bit with a little proud wave of his head, and OJ returned it, raising his head, looking a bit proud, little smile back.

Just a split second - but it seems clear he liked working with OJ in the past, and enjoyed setting up these events to make fans happy, seeing them come off, proud of what he did.

[Details]

ah! did yall just see dominick dunne?No - details, details!

[llylabrat]

ah! did yall just see dominick dunne?


no, he's there? i am thrilled that his health is good enough!

[Fallen Angel]

Crying by Fromong..This guy is showing more emotion than OJ has EVER shown since 1995...HUMMM....I really wonder???What does this guy gain by being emotional?? It seems to me that this guy has a soul and feelings..This cross is going where?..So far not geting it??

LMS

He thought he was one of OJ's friends and he found out what its like when OJ snaps :(

[llylabrat]

He's crying .........basically he feels like OJ back stabbed him imo


thats very ironic considering what oj did to his wife and ron goldman. also he was in oj's rockingham home, so they have been friends a long time...he is surprised oj robbed him? no honor among thieves etc.

[Fallen Angel]

who was the reporter that was the ONLY reporter invited into Phil SPectors house during the trial? She's in the audience.

[llylabrat]

dominick is in the last row far left

[llylabrat]

i thinks grasso is an a$$o

[Fallen Angel]

thats very ironic considering what oj did to his wife and ron goldman. also he was in oj's rockingham home, so they have been friends a long time...he is surprised oj robbed him? no honor among thieves etc.

I thought the guy testifying had never been in trouble.......so why call him a thief?:shrug:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

ah! did yall just see dominick dunne?

I didnt see Dom.but would not be surprised..I just love that guy..he is a real character..!!

LMS:D

[CourtsideVue]

ah! did yall just see dominick dunne?

YUP! Sure did! Not surprised. Remember in jury selection, the judge or one of the lawyers said he might be there.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

btw...whats wrong with his health? i didnt know he was sick :(

He had a Heart Atack post this event of robbery!!..OJ shuld be grateful he didnt die!!

LMShammer

[llylabrat]

btw...whats wrong with his health? i didnt know he was sick :(


i think he has some form of cancer. sprocket-trials.blogspot.com has a story about it. and i read somewhere he had gone out of the country for some treatment.

[CourtsideVue]

who was the reporter that was the ONLY reporter invited into Phil SPectors house during the trial? She's in the audience.

Wasn't that Harriet someone? I forget her name, but I remember that.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

i've been a fan of his for years too. i love his books. been reading them since i was in middle school/high school.

LOL..You are showing your age...and me thinks I am getting really really old!!!

LMS:beer:

Luv Dom!!

[CourtsideVue]

He had a Heart Atack post this event of robbery!!..OJ shuld be grateful he didnt die!!

LMShammer

I think that poster was referring to Dominick Dunne's health.

[Fallen Angel]

i didnt realize fromong hadnt made any money off of this or been in trouble. i'm glad because i've found his testimony truthful.

He's made NO money and he was a friend of OJ's and at first didn't want to testify.

[llylabrat]

I thought the guy testifying had never been in trouble.......so why call him a thief?:shrug:


i'm wrong about that i guess. i don't see how the guy could maintain a close relationship after the murder trial.

[Fallen Angel]

oh no! :(

i'll go read sprockets blog later then, thanks!

yeah its bladder cancer :(

[Details]

This guy is very precise! The defense attorney is trying to make all kinds of changes to his testimony, to misrepresent the sports memoribilia industry, etc. - and he's saying exactly what the truth is, not letting him get unwarrented generalizations past him.

Defense trying to make "sports memoribilia" be only things like preprinted posters - he corrects him that yes, anything the player owns could also be memoribilia (duh!), tries to claim presentation balls are never sold by players - he corrects him, etc.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I think that poster was referring to Dominick Dunne's health.

My reply was to Mr. Dunne being in the audiance..my reference to heart attack was in reference to the witness..may you should ask Barrygirl.?.I dont think she got the wrong impression??Not sure..??

LMS:punch:

[llylabrat]

please! more posing and posturing with hands on oj's shoulders

[Lqqkout]

I can't stand this witness. He is nothing but a con artist out to get rich at his so called friend"s expense.

[Fallen Angel]

LOL i love this Judge. She wants to hurry this case up lol

[CourtsideVue]

Judge Glass clearly has NO patience for the details of sports memorabilia collecting, and why things are special or valuable. I love her! I have zero interest in all that junk either, I just want to know the facts of the case, not why each ball is special.

[llylabrat]

I can't stand this witness. He is nothing but a con artist out to get rich at his so called friend"s expense.


again. what is he lying about?

[Fallen Angel]

I can't stand this witness. He is nothing but a con artist out to get rich at his so called friend"s expense.

How is he getting rich? :shrug:

[CourtsideVue]

I can't stand this witness. He is nothing but a con artist out to get rich at his so called friend"s expense.

Would you PLEASE tell me how he's getting rich??? I must have missed something. He's being honest and emotional. Maybe he's just a good actor? I don't think so.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I can't stand this witness. He is nothing but a con artist out to get rich at his so called friend"s expense.

And OJ's association with him since 1991 means nothing..He was a conman..and OJ chose to deal with him...hummm..What does that tell ya??

This witness knew OJ before and after the previous case..hummmmm Wonder why OJ would feel a connection to such a paracite???hummmm

Sorry, dont get your attitude? .cause if you call this guy a liar ,then OJ is one TOO!!

LMShammer

Sorry to say this..we are who we associate oursleves with..it is just a fact of life!!

[CourtsideVue]

And OJ's association with him since 1991 means nothing..He was a conman..and OJ chose to deal with him...hummm..What does that tell ya??

This witness knew OJ before and after the previous case..hummmmm Wonder why OJ would feel a connection to such a paracite???hummmm

Sorry, dont get your attitude? .cause if you call this guy a liar ,then OJ is one TOO!!

LMShammer

Sorry to say this..we are who we associate oursleves with..it is just a fact of life!!

So true. Like the saying goes: If you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.:punch:

[Details]

He's done nothing to try to make money, there's not the slightest bit of evidence he's a scammer nor thief (just because we don't like someone's profession, just because that profession contains scammers and thieves doesn't make him one - he's the victim here), and he's telling the simple and accurate truth. That should not earn him contempt.

[legalmania]

Crying by Fromong..This guy is showing more emotion than OJ has EVER shown since 1995...HUMMM....I really wonder???What does this guy gain by being emotional?? It seems to me that this guy has a soul and feelings..This cross is going where?..So far not geting it??

LMS

Fromong said in his own words that OJ wouldn't sell those items, so is it possible that Fromong thought they were stolen. If Fromong was such a good friend why didn't he call OJ and say, hey I think I have some of your stuff that you wanted to give to your family, or why didn't he call the Goldmans personal representative and say I have some of the items?

[Fallen Angel]

I want to know also - how is he getting rich?

that poste IMO just wants to spew stuff and not answer questions.

[Details]

Fromong said in his own words that OJ wouldn't sell those items, so is it possible that Fromong thought they were stolen. If Fromong was such a good friend why didn't he call OJ and say, hey I think I have some of your stuff that you wanted to give to your family, or why didn't he call the Goldmans personal representative and say I have some of the items?Fromong said OJ wouldn't sell things himself - he'd give them to others to sell. And he said he would give those things away - to friends or family - and those people indeed could be selling them.

Or, as you point out - there's no reason for him not to think they got given to the Goldman family, as they were supposed to be, and sold in that way. Why assume they're stolen, when he definitely knows about the judgement, and that most of OJ's memoribilia was taken for the judgement.

[Fallen Angel]

Fromong said in his own words that OJ wouldn't sell those items, so is it possible that Fromong thought they were stolen. If Fromong was such a good friend why didn't he call OJ and say, hey I think I have some of your stuff that you wanted to give to your family, or why didn't he call the Goldmans personal representative and say I have some of the items?

He said OJ wouldn't sell them his self he would have someone else sale them.

[Details]

Are we done for the day? My feed has gone all about Metrolink and commercials.

[CourtsideVue]

Are we done for the day? My feed has gone all about Metrolink and commercials.

No, refresh your screen. They just came back in and started again after the break.

[bearwds]

Judge Glass clearly has NO patience for the details of sports memorabilia collecting, and why things are special or valuable. I love her! I have zero interest in all that junk either, I just want to know the facts of the case, not why each ball is special.
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Let me bore you with some memorabilla details...ha !!

I bought, sold and collected Metal Lunchboxes. Still have a site on EBay. Owned a collection of 186 boxes. Some worth hundreds of dollars.

I'm interested in the minuta of collection. Looks like Judge Glass isn't ....you either....lol

[llylabrat]

if my very good friend got their hands on some possessions of mine, i would expect them to give them to me, or give me a chance to reimburse them for them or something.

did this guy get his hands on his good friends property and it was 'finders keepers?'

[Lyndawitha"Y]

So true. Like the saying goes: If you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas.:punch:


Hummm...Me thinks that the defense be very careful when calling the kettle black....I think the fleas you are referring to belong to OJ..since he is the one who actually stood to gain the most..As he was avoiding the Goldmen/Brown Judgement!!!

LMShammer

[CourtsideVue]

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Let me bore you with some memorabilla details...ha !!

I bought, sold and collected Metal Lunchboxes. Still have a site on EBay. Owned a collection of 186 boxes. Some worth hundreds of dollars.

I'm interested in the minuta of collection. Looks like Judge Glass isn't ....you either....lol

LOL, you're right, I'm not interested. But I have nothing against those who do!

Speaking of metal lunchboxes, I had a friend named Laura who had a Waltons metal lunchbox. What I wouldn't give to have that right now ... only because my mother is totally into the Waltons. She wants to visit the "Walton House" Museum in Virginia. I bet that lunchbox would be worth some money, and would be a great item to have at the Walton Museum.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Fromong said in his own words that OJ wouldn't sell those items, so is it possible that Fromong thought they were stolen. If Fromong was such a good friend why didn't he call OJ and say, hey I think I have some of your stuff that you wanted to give to your family, or why didn't he call the Goldmans personal representative and say I have some of the items?

DAH..maybe because OJ was getting the kickbacks..percentage..contractual amts per item??? OJ knew exactlky what he was doing assocaiating with these guys..MONEY$$under the table...cash..not traceable...not obtainable by the Goldman's nor the Judgement against OJ!!..Not unusual..but wonder if OJ got anyting out of all these transactions???HUMMMMMMMMMMMMM

LMS :punch::punch:

[Fallen Angel]

GOOD GOD is he about to have a heart attack?

[Details]

if my very good friend got their hands on some possessions of mine, i would expect them to give them to me, or give me a chance to reimburse them for them or something.

did this guy get his hands on his good friends property and it was 'finders keepers?'He's saying he knows where it was from and how obtained. However - in this case, his good friend has a ton of this stuff, gives it away freely, has tons of OJ memorabilia wandering all around the world - the appearance of some more of it is hardly something unusual or remarkable.

[llylabrat]

more crying? marta and lonie don't seem to think its a heart attack. they are laughing about getting caught spraying their hair.

[legalmania]

ut oh not another Heart Attack

[llylabrat]

He's saying he knows where it was from and how obtained. However - in this case, his good friend has a ton of this stuff, gives it away freely, has tons of OJ memorabilia wandering all around the world - the appearance of some more of it is hardly something unusual or remarkable.

thank you for that clarification. how many personal photos got mixed in with this memorabelia?

[legalmania]

this is a horrible cross, hmo!

I disagree I think he was doing a good job impeaching Fromongs testimony from preliminary trials as well as what was said on the tapes. Well if he's having a heart attack this is going to put things on hold.

[Details]

thank you for that clarification. how many personal photos got mixed in with this memorabelia?From the evidence so far presented - I'm not seeing anything like that. Piles of duplicate photos set to be signed at autograph signings, a stack of photos of OJ's career, many of them signed and the like - nothing that is like Grandma Simpson sitting under a tree, nor anything personal that I've seen come across the evidence presentation yet.

And lots of special presentation balls and other extremely collectible memorabilia items - it all looks like your standard stuff you'd see at a sports convention and the like.

[Details]

I disagree I think he was doing a good job impeaching Fromongs testimony from preliminary trials as well as what was said on the tapes. Well if he's having a heart attack this is going to put things on hold.I don't see that - little tiny natural discrepancies that any of us would have after being questioned multiple times about an event. Nothing major, nothing deceptive, just little natural stuff. Memories naturally shift over time - some bits become more fuzzy, other bits become sharper as you re-remember the details. But nothing of the basic story has changed. Nothing shows him making self-serving nor biased corrections in any direction to his story.

[pebblepup]

i really hope it isnt chest pain.

lol, i disagree with you disagreeing with me, lol. i don't think he's accomplised anything with this line of questioning. IMO, fromong has come accross as confident, assured and truthful in what he's saying and hasnt let himself get all mixed up.

i love how 2 people can watch the same exact thing and walk away feeling completely different. i love that about law!

I'm with you Wendy, the defense isn't doing anything (besides looking good:tongue:) for me either. :shrug:

[Details]

However, at the least - the defense is being pretty straightforward, asking the questions, letting him answer, bringing up any contradicting information they think they have - a good defense attorney - not shrill nor whiny, not arrogant nor talking over the witness. He's doing all he can to get everything out of the witness - but he's doing it right. This guy just knows his stuff - he knows the business, he knows his history with OJ, and he knows what happened that night - he's not going to be shaken nor tricked into making an overly broad incorrect statement of any kind.

[legalmania]

From the evidence so far presented - I'm not seeing anything like that. Piles of duplicate photos set to be signed at autograph signings, a stack of photos of OJ's career, many of them signed and the like - nothing that is like Grandma Simpson sitting under a tree, nor anything personal that I've seen come across the evidence presentation yet.

And lots of special presentation balls and other extremely collectible memorabilia items - it all looks like your standard stuff you'd see at a sports convention and the like.

The one of a kind items are something Grandma would want. Special one of a kind footballs, certificates ect.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

ARE we finished for the day???..need to know,,

LMS

[Fallen Angel]

ARE we finished fofrthe day???..need to know,,

LMS

no it doesn't end till 6pm vegas time

[Details]

The one of a kind items are something Grandma would want. Special one of a kind footballs, certificates ect.That's nice - but if he doesn't own it, he doesn't get it, no matter who would like to have it. And it is the type of stuff that is bought and sold all the time - Grandmothers aside.

What relevance does what Grandma wants have in this case? Unless you're talking about her storage locker - and for that, when you don't pay rent on storage, you lose the contents. That's the contract you sign.

[logbump]

JG called recess. not adjournment. IIRC

[Lyndawitha"Y]

no it doesn't end till 6pm vegas time

R we in break..or do iI need to refresh??

LMS:shrug:

[legalmania]

However, at the least - the defense is being pretty straightforward, asking the questions, letting him answer, bringing up any contradicting information they think they have - a good defense attorney - not shrill nor whiny, not arrogant nor talking over the witness. He's doing all he can to get everything out of the witness - but he's doing it right. This guy just knows his stuff - he knows the business, he knows his history with OJ, and he knows what happened that night - he's not going to be shaken nor tricked into making an overly broad incorrect statement of any kind.

I like him too he knew Mr. Fromong has heart problems. I think there going to have to stop and take this guy to the hospital and have him checked out.

[mbmb]

no it doesn't end till 6pm vegas time

Are they going to work from 8 AM to 6 PM every day?

[Fallen Angel]

R we in break..or do iI need to refresh??

LMS:shrug:

yep in a break

[logbump]

Got the seal back on News Raw:)

[Details]

I see heads moving - judge is back.

Medical issue - moving to next witness temporarily.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

yep in a break

Didnt they just get brack from a break...hummm.Was there an issue with Fromong?..Sorry didnt catch it..as getting dinner ready..

LMShammer

[legalmania]

That's nice - but if he doesn't own it, he doesn't get it, no matter who would like to have it. And it is the type of stuff that is bought and sold all the time - Grandmothers aside.

What relevance does what Grandma wants have in this case? Unless you're talking about her storage locker - and for that, when you don't pay rent on storage, you lose the contents. That's the contract you sign.

I don't know anything about any storage haven't heard any testimony yet. If it was media gossip then I have to disregaurd that until somebody under oath talks about it.

[Fallen Angel]

OMG he must be having heart problems:eek:

[bearwds]

I think the only reason not to be interested in this case is that the value of the property is not the issue here. Its whether it, in fact, belongs to OJ isn't it? And isn't just some of the thousands of memorabilia out there. Still doesn't excuse the manner of retrieving it.
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The only reason this is of interest is that is OJ. If the guy's name was Schumck, it wouldn't be on CNN.

Schmuck would have pleaded out and be serving time in the lockup.


bearwds

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Ouch! 2nd Defense Attny is saying the witnesses testimony hasn't been challenged "at all" - sounds like he's saying the first defense attorney did a lousy job in his - what - hour? - of questioning.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Goodness..Gracious..How Insentitive..They give no hoots about Mr Fromong...pressure...pressure..kill him with questions..whatever..but please at least show some concern about his hhammerealth!?

LMShammer

[Details]

I don't know anything about any storage haven't heard any testimony yet. If it was media gossip then I have to disregaurd that until somebody under oath talks about it.Then how is grandma relevant? I haven't heard "Grandma" mentioned under oath yet either - if that is your bar. Me - I'm not willing to blind myself to information until it is presented - not when it is solid info well beyond rumor.

[CourtsideVue]

It drives me crazy how Marta rambles while she tries to read the message board. She needs Loni back to help her out.

[TrishR]

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The only reason this is of interest is that is OJ. If the guy's name was Schumck, it wouldn't be on CNN.

Schmuck would have pleaded out and be serving time in the lockup.


bearwds


Well, if he was Mr Schmuck, photos, footballs, etc., with his signature wouldn't be worth 80 grand, either.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I don't know anything about any storage haven't heard any testimony yet. If it was media gossip then I have to disregaurd that until somebody under oath talks about it.

oakeydoaky..i guess common knowoedge isnt good enough for you..be that as it may..There has been numerous documents to show those items..but you do and see and feel just what you need to do..Wish you could be in that courtroom.. not for our sake..but for your sake..

LMS

[legalmania]

Then how is grandma relevant? I haven't heard "Grandma" mentioned under oath yet either - if that is your bar. Me - I'm not willing to blind myself to information until it is presented - not when it is solid info well beyond rumor.

Details your making me crazy. Who mentioned grandma? :rose: Mr. Fromong hope your ok.

[Details]

Details your making me crazy. Who mentioned grandma?You did. I don't know why you mentioned grandma - doesn't seem relevant to me - what grandma wants is not a valid reason for theft, and the only other connection is the storage locker.

The one of a kind items are something Grandma would want. Special one of a kind footballs, certificates ect.

[CourtsideVue]

Legalmania,
This squabbling over whether information has been testified to or entered into the record as evidence is getting ridiculous. We are just discussing, we are not the jurors who will decide OJ's fate. We are allowed to have our own feelings about this case and we're allowed to discuss it. If you want to act like a juror in this case, then you shouldn't be reading these boards. Please, can you let us have our discussions?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I know you know this better than me but even under oath it isn't always the truth.

Like anything else..words are cheap...proof is in the pudding...In other words..Talk is cheap..but IF it is proven by outcome or by numerous witnesses..IT MAY... MAY JUST BE TRUTHFUL!!

LMS:punch:

[legalmania]

oakeydoaky..i guess common knowoedge isnt good enough for you..be that as it may..There has been numerous documents to show those items..but you do and see and feel just what you need to do..Wish you could be in that courtroom.. not for our sake..but for your sake..

LMS

No I don't think any case should go on common knowledge it should be based on fact, and no I don't need to be in a courtroom I have spent more hours in a courtroom than I care to remember. I am perfectly happy sitting here.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

PLEASE oh PLEASE..someone tell me where balls, picutres with a signature on it makes them personal property..and if it was PERSONAL property,,when it is justifiable to bring a gang of guys with firearms to retrieve them legal?..So far the evidence from testimony today and tha is public knowledge..I dont see OJ trying ti obtain person pics from Memorbilia thugs>?? as per his description!!

LMS:eek:

[legalmania]

From the evidence so far presented - I'm not seeing anything like that. Piles of duplicate photos set to be signed at autograph signings, a stack of photos of OJ's career, many of them signed and the like - nothing that is like Grandma Simpson sitting under a tree, nor anything personal that I've seen come across the evidence presentation yet.

And lots of special presentation balls and other extremely collectible memorabilia items - it all looks like your standard stuff you'd see at a sports convention and the like.


You posted this first so there.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

No I don't think any case should go on common knowledge it should be based on fact, and no I don't need to be in a courtroom I have spent more hours in a courtroom than I care to remember. I am perfectly happy sitting here.


Kay then..I get ya. now! No discussion needed from this point forth..you seem to have made up your mind not to entertain any other views..So sad really..it realy is too bad you are not on that jury!

LMS:rose:

[Lyndawitha"Y]

done for today. see you at 11am my time tomorrow! have a great night girls! :)

Nite all..have to work tomorrow..but will hopefully catch up in the later evening (EST)..I should be home by 6PM EST..Have a great one!!:seeya:

LMS

[legalmania]

Legalmania,
This squabbling over whether information has been testified to or entered into the record as evidence is getting ridiculous. We are just discussing, we are not the jurors who will decide OJ's fate. We are allowed to have our own feelings about this case and we're allowed to discuss it. If you want to act like a juror in this case, then you shouldn't be reading these boards. Please, can you let us have our discussions?

It's not squabbling if you want to fantasize about this case go ahead but I have every right to say what my opinion is. You have no right to tell me what I can and can not do.

[CourtsideVue]

:seeya:
See ya in the mornin' folks. 11:00 am. Hope Mr. Fromong is ok and gets some much needed rest tonight.

Until then ... toodles doodles!

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No I don't think any case should go on common knowledge it should be based on fact, and no I don't need to be in a courtroom I have spent more hours in a courtroom than I care to remember. I am perfectly happy sitting here.She said common knowledge apparently wasn't good enough for you - not the court, not the case - YOU - posting as if she suggested the court, the case, or the jury should work on common knowledge is misrepresenting her post. Which was mostly about the discussion of what we, the non-jury, non-judge, general public, go on.

Please remember the difference. This is not the jury room. Our Constitution has many requirements for the jury - few if any for the general public. Waiting on a piece of information that has been thoroughly publicized and is entirely solid to be admitted in court before discussing it is not a requirement for the general public. It may be your choice - that does not mean I, nor any other, have to blind ourselves.

[Details]

You posted this first so there.??? Posted? I thought you were going by testimony. Are you not following the testimony?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

She said common knowledge apparently wasn't good enough for you - not the court, not the case - YOU - posting as if she suggested the court, the case, or the jury should work on common knowledge is misrepresenting her post. Which was mostly about the discussion of what we, the non-jury, non-judge, general public, go on.

Please remember the difference. This is not the jury room. Our Constitution has many requirements for the jury - few if any for the general public. Waiting on a piece of information that has been thoroughly publicized and is entirely solid to be admitted in court before discussing it is not a requirement for the general public. It may be your choice - that does not mean I, nor any other, have to blind ourselves.

TY...:D..Exactly..Iggy is my friend..!!LOL

LMS:seeya:

[bearwds]

G'night folks. :seeya:

Oh, and to Wendy... Not all "girls" on this Board. ...har


bearwds

[legalmania]

Kay then..I get ya. now! No discussion needed from this point forth..you seem to have made up your mind not to entertain any other views..So sad really..it realy is too bad you are not on that jury!

LMS:rose:

There has been one witness who hasn't even finished testifying and I'm suppose to have my mind made up. I have to agree with one side or another. This is the United States we have rights to agree to disagree. In the United States you have to live in the same state to be on the jury. What I'm afraid of is the people on the jury are not coming to a conclusion yet.

[legalmania]

She said common knowledge apparently wasn't good enough for you - not the court, not the case - YOU - posting as if she suggested the court, the case, or the jury should work on common knowledge is misrepresenting her post. Which was mostly about the discussion of what we, the non-jury, non-judge, general public, go on.

Please remember the difference. This is not the jury room. Our Constitution has many requirements for the jury - few if any for the general public. Waiting on a piece of information that has been thoroughly publicized and is entirely solid to be admitted in court before discussing it is not a requirement for the general public. It may be your choice - that does not mean I, nor any other, have to blind ourselves.

I am not going to argue with you about somebody else's post. I know this post is not going to influence the jury. Where have I told anybody it's my way or no way?

[summer4meplz]

When I left here this afternoon, Mr. Fromong was on the stand for his direct examination...I just got home...what happened? Is he in the hospital? Was it during cross....are there any links? That poor guy....he almost died right after the incident and now this...

[legalmania]

I know you know this better than me but even under oath it isn't always the truth.

However if you lie under oath you can go to jail or be fined or both. If your telling the truth there usually isn't many inconsistencies.

[legalmania]

When I left here this afternoon, Mr. Fromong was on the stand for his direct examination...I just got home...what happened? Is he in the hospital? Was it during cross....are there any links? That poor guy....he almost died right after the incident and now this...


Sorry I was writing back all my fans. Ya he was in the middle of cross and he put his hand over his chest Judge Glass stopped the proceedings and I believe they sent him to the hospital as they should. They put another witness on the bellman and that was it until tomorrow.

[summer4meplz]

Sorry I was writing back all my fans. Ya he was in the middle of cross and he put his hand over his chest Judge Glass stopped the proceedings and I believe they sent him to the hospital as they should. They put another witness on the bellman and that was it until tomorrow.


thanks for replying...wow...I hope he is going to be ok....what would happen if he couldn't return to finish his testimony? Was yale rough on him? too rough?

[legalmania]

thanks for replying...wow...I hope he is going to be ok....what would happen if he couldn't return to finish his testimony? Was yale rough on him? too rough?

First of all I hope he's o.k. also. If he can't return I don't know, mistrial comes to mind. I think the defense was firm but not out of control. Nothing to cause a heart attack.

[legalmania]

marta said he didnt go to the hospital and that he should be back on the stand tomorrow. i hope he's ok :(

Yes see we agree on something. Mr. Fromong is not the picture of health. :rose::rose:

[AnnInOhio]

It's not squabbling if you want to fantasize about this case go ahead but I have every right to say what my opinion is. You have no right to tell me what I can and can not do.

I understand where you're coming from wanting to keep straight and separate what comes before the jury and what does not. Not "playing" juror but wanting to see the case from a juror's perspective. The problem is that a juror doesn't get to talk about the case with anyone as it goes along, which is what you're attempting to do here. I do much the same thing...I like to keep separate what I know from outside sources versus what the jury hears. As discussed earlier its the difference between when its all over understanding the jury's final decision on the matter versus public opinion. Most posters are only interested in utilizing this board for public opinion.

[Lqqkout]

thanks for replying...wow...I hope he is going to be ok....what would happen if he couldn't return to finish his testimony? Was yale rough on him? too rough?

He's probably on the phone with Larry King Live right now cementing his fame and fortune.

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First of all I hope he's o.k. also. If he can't return I don't know, mistrial comes to mind. I think the defense was firm but not out of control. Nothing to cause a heart attack.The defense was nowhere near out of control - they were entirely good - just about perfect. Questioning, probing, trying to find holes, weaknesses in the story - but nothing out of line, inappropriate, hostile, etc. They tried some tricks - defense attorneys always do - but nothing that is out of line. I hope they continue that way.

If he cannot return, I think the judge would have to decide if the jury can disregard his testimony they have already heard, and the prosecution can continue the case without him (and I don't think his testimony is necessary - good - but the other victim can speak to the events and the memoribilia business). The key testimony is the tape, evidence OJ knew about guns and requested them.

This guy is a highly credible witness - but with his heart issues, I'm glad they don't take any chances if he's having the slightest symptom.

[velvetbrown]

What goes around, comes around...Karma is a ^%$#@...He got away with 2 murders, and will 'go away' now for kidnapping, theft, etc...MOO