Saturday Afternoon/Early Evening Caylee Anthony Discussion

[Shellberry]

Whoa, that's really scary. My kids howled if they didn't want their hair combed. Maybe she knew better than to protest. :chicken: imo

maybe she did.
so sad. :(
I do know some parents like that-behind closed doors, look out if you did something you shouldnt have-and if you did it in public, look out when you got home.

I got my hair yanked and hit with a wooden spoon when I was younger, and the phrase 'wait until your father gets home' still makes me shudder.
same thing for all my cousins.

I wonder if cindy yanked hair and stuff back when it was 'ok' to discipline your child the way you wanted to.

imo/jmo

[johnielee333]

potkettle...


Black ! :biggrin:

[summer4meplz]

Her Child Neglect charge stemmed from her not reporting Caylee for a month.


I disagree....I THINK her charge stemmed from her not knowing WHERE her child was....

[summer4meplz]

where'd the story come from about casey having a spare key to her car?

and i read on here early on that lee said he hadn't seen his sister in 2yrs. ??

cindy iirc...

[luvinlife]

I had not seen that befor.
She didn't bat an eye did she. I'd have been bawling like a baby when he said no bond.



That was scary, I've heard other people in a bond hearing or first court appearances and they are quiet and soft spoken (not all but some) and I found her to be loud and I don't know what to say full of herself maybe.

She has NO emotions it appears unless someone talks about her, her, her

[Laurieann]

Her Child Neglect charge stemmed from her not reporting Caylee for a month.


I think it stemmed from her giving her child to a person that does not exist at an apartment that was vacant.

I would love for there to be a law that would allow a separete felony charge for her not reporting the "kidnapping".

[mosey2]

Here is a question for all the superb sleuth minds here: Why would Casey have a hand written note (232 Glenwood) in her car. That is :confused:Richardo, Amy and JP's place that she had been visiting, staying over night for many months???

[Oregongal]

I can;t believe cindy did not know casey was preg. Casey is a very small person and it would not take much for it to show on her.jmho:rose:

I can [I]almost[I] believe that Cindy did not know. With Casey being such an accomplished liar and the idea that maybe Cindy had been falling for all her lies for so long, I can see Cindy saying, are you pregnant? And then Casey coming back with the comment that's been posted before...no, I'd have to have sex to be pregnant.
Cindy being in that believing Casey no matter what, might have thought ok, guess I'm crazy for thinking that.
Since it's pretty much agreed that Casey is a sociopathic/narcissist, which didn't happen overnight, socio's have a way of lying straight to your face and making you feel as if you are the crazy one for thinking they are lying. This probably went on for years between them. As her mother, Cindy wanted to believe Casey and didn't go with her own gut.
And who knows what else could have been said by Casey...no, I've just been eating too many cheeseburgers or something like that.
Also, I've seen too many real life stories where the pregnant teen was able to fool everyone to totally discount that Casey could have done the same.
If we are to go by Cindy's brothers posts...Rick...that he approached Cindy and George about the the pregnancy and them denying it, that could have been the catalyst point that forced them to seriously confront Casey and then she broke and admitted it. Then they took her to a doctor. That also could be the time Cindy thought of when she said, Casey has lied, but then she's broken and told me the truth. (Paraphrasing here, not quoting exactly I'm sure)
I also think that maybe Casey didn't know she was pregnant. Or went into total denial within herself about that. Socio's tend to deny anything and everything...even to themselves. In the case of an upcoming baby that's not exactly something you can forever do that with tho. That baby is gonna come whether you want it to or not. Other lies, other denials may be something you can lie or deny about forever...like Caylee being still alive and someone else has her. If her body is never found, Casey, in her mind can continue the lie and denial. With the impending birth of a baby you've lied and denied about, diff story. Labor starts, baby is born...absolute, total proof that cannot be lied away or denied.
As for who the father of Caylee may be, I feel that's a moot point. Whether Casey knows or not, she lied about it to begin with, I don't see that changing in any way. And now that Caylee is dead, does it really matter in this case? I would imagine there are many young men out there right now wondering if they are Caylee's father. But, what good would it bring for any of them to know if they were? Caylee is gone. So any parental rights they might have are gone with her.
IMO it has nothing to do with this case because I truly feel that what Casey did to Caylee was her alone. To try and bring in a maybe father of Caylee in my mind accomplishes or help nothing.
My thoughts on what may have come after... covering up by G&C, is a whole nother post.
Sorry this is long and remember to read my sig.

[Shellberry]

I agree what would make someone say that about someone elses child.

I found the whole article a little (okay alot) weird.
some parts were cut off on the one I saw, but I got the gist of it.

it really is sticking in my head.
was she trying to make her look bad, or does she know something no one else does?

imo/jmo

[Shellberry]

Why would she pay a fee, when she could successfully accomplish all that for free?
:shrug:

ahhh-that is the thing, there are a lot of free ones online.
Im not talking about eharmony or ones like that--there are quite a few free dating sites, you dont pay to view anyone/get emails/contact people.....




imo/jmo

[Shellberry]

she was on a dating site. that is how she met tonE,on facebook.

omg. are you kidding?
I really didnt know that.

haha- this girls wants to be in the limelight, I wonder what the site was.



imo/jmo

[summer4meplz]

Me too. I remember one psychic detective episode where one of the psychics went to a police station for a creative drawing lesson and how it shows we all have some psychic abilities if we tap into them.

Here is one link for this kind of thinking:
http://www.spiritguideartist.com/102301/19901.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*
But there are many more.
She asked the detectives to close their eyes (this was a missing persons...dead person case) and concentrate on the victim. They all had paper and pens to draw with. She then asked them to open their eyes and draw the first three images that came to mind (not what they saw when they were concentrating on the victim's image and imaging only the victim) when they opened their eyes.

She then asked them to do the same thing about the alleged defendent. Concentrate on the defendent. Close their eyes. And then draw the first three images that popped into their mind.

It was pretty cool. Maybe we could try it. We have nothing else to do...no new facts to go on.


That's very interesting...they say we all have psychic abilities...personally I think it would be the curse from hell to be able to view murders, either as a spectator or a victim....

[EaudeT]

Ha ha on me! iI feel double dumb for posting to myself over on the other message list. Thanks to whoever it was that said I needed to be here. I wish I could stay but I better go. It's late and I am on my sisters computer. I'm staying at her house for a while. she is pretty nice for a perfect big sister :rolleyes: you probably know people like her. I better not stay a long time cause she might want on here. Her baby doesn't sleep like my kids do {hahaha!} and I know she likes to come to this place and some others in the middle of the night when her baby is awake. She said I would like reading here and you people would be more patient and help me understand this case better than her because you are more patient. Hahaha! LOL, that is true! She is the smart one but I'm the pretty one ok not really but I'm alright too. She is just a normal older sister who just about raised me since I was a baby. Our mom doesn't do really good with being responsible and taking care of anyuone but herself. She does do good as a gramma tho. She drives me nuts like a mom can cause she is very bossy and a know it all so I can see how Cindy drove casey nuts too being bossy like that. But thats still no reason to go totally nuts and hurt her toddler.I mean my sister, she is like my mom more than my mom is.
Let me see what you are all talking about and maybe I have something not just dumb to say to.
OMG I DO sound dumb when I write! LOL don't laugh please I had a learning problem but it isn't very bad it just makes my reading hard and my writing come out weird. I never took special ed or anything but I do get a runny mouth instead of a runny nose. LOL

[mosey2]

Didn't she meet the policeman online?
Which one? I dont know how she met Jesse Grund, but she met Anthony Rusciano through Grund.
She told Jesse he was the father of her child until his parents insisted on a paternity test, that proved otherwise and the marriage was called off.

[luvinlife]

I am so there with you. Every night when I lay down, I wonder where this beautiful child could be. I kind of hope for ESP to magically hit me. :(



I know it is so sad that so many care and cry over the loss of this little girl and her own so called mother just doesn't seem to give a rats ... about her. I would love just 5 minutes with her.

[luvinlife]

I disagree....I THINK her charge stemmed from her not knowing WHERE her child was....


Leaving her with someone who doesn't exsist????????

[Joan Weiss]

Me too. I remember one psychic detective episode where one of the psychics went to a police station for a creative drawing lesson and how it shows we all have some psychic abilities if we tap into them.

Here is one link for this kind of thinking:
http://www.spiritguideartist.com/102301/19901.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*
But there are many more.
She asked the detectives to close their eyes (this was a missing persons...dead person case) and concentrate on the victim. They all had paper and pens to draw with. She then asked them to open their eyes and draw the first three images that came to mind (not what they saw when they were concentrating on the victim's image and imaging only the victim) when they opened their eyes.

She then asked them to do the same thing about the alleged defendent. Concentrate on the defendent. Close their eyes. And then draw the first three images that popped into their mind.

It was pretty cool. Maybe we could try it. We have nothing else to do...no new facts to go on.Thank you. I'm bookmarking this link for reading tomorrow.

Thanks also for that suggestion. I really want to try it. There's nothing to lose...

Oh, and glad you survived the hurricane. Who needs water, you have us, lol...

[mosey2]

thought it was amy's resume?

going to bed, see ya'll at the crack when the kids awaken me.:seeya:
In the initial police report to get an arrest warrent, it stated "a hand written note"
I remember that Cindy, at one time said she was able to track Amy down by a resume she found in the care, though. Do you think the note and resume are one in the same?

[summer4meplz]

[QUOTE=~DaddysGirl~;12115596]lol, Mothers of Missing Children aren't slapped with Child Neglect charges simply because they don't know where their children are.

Those charges were put upon Casey directly and solely for the reason that Casey didn't report Caylee missing for a month.[/QUOTE

That's a slap in the face to mothers with missing children to even BEGIN to compare them to casey...

[luvinlife]

I think it stemmed from her giving her child to a person that does not exist at an apartment that was vacant.

I would love for there to be a law that would allow a separete felony charge for her not reporting the "kidnapping".



I agree, because what other nut out there is going to think, hey the perfect way to get away with murder, lets not report it for as long as possible.

PS and then say well I was looking on my own.

[EaudeT]

ahhh-that is the thing, there are a lot of free ones online.
Im not talking about eharmony or ones like that--there are quite a few free dating sites, you dont pay to view anyone/get emails/contact people.....




imo/jmoI do know something about those sites. I signed up on some and also found some that are not so nice. Some of the really dirty ones don't cost anything but all the peopple there are scum who just want to hook up with someone. It would be almost like being a hooker but not getting paid, some of them have people who just come right out and say they just want sex. Casey could go right on those to hook up. It may be mean to say but she acts like a tramp if you ask me. So I can see her doing it like that to meet guys.

[summer4meplz]

The one who was fired recently for not disclosing that they had a relationship. I don't recall his name. I thought he said they had met online.


Ironically, his name is Tony too....

[Shellberry]

Me too. I remember one psychic detective episode where one of the psychics went to a police station for a creative drawing lesson and how it shows we all have some psychic abilities if we tap into them.

Here is one link for this kind of thinking:
http://www.spiritguideartist.com/102301/19901.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*
But there are many more.
She asked the detectives to close their eyes (this was a missing persons...dead person case) and concentrate on the victim. They all had paper and pens to draw with. She then asked them to open their eyes and draw the first three images that came to mind (not what they saw when they were concentrating on the victim's image and imaging only the victim) when they opened their eyes.

She then asked them to do the same thing about the alleged defendent. Concentrate on the defendent. Close their eyes. And then draw the first three images that popped into their mind.

It was pretty cool. Maybe we could try it. We have nothing else to do...no new facts to go on.

LB! I meant to post to you in the last thread, glad you are safe!!

I like this idea of yours.
maybe I'll try it and see what I come up with, take pics of what I draw, photobucket them & pm you.
you have to do it to though and pm me.
my daughter can draw better than I can.
stick people all the way here, lol


& if casey is on a singles site, I will find it.
(after other half goes to bed of course, he already thinks Im up to no good)

imo/jmo

[mosey2]

The one who was fired recently for not disclosing that they had a relationship. I don't recall his name. I thought he said they had met online.
That's Anthony Rusciano. No they met at a party where Jesse introduced them, but maintained their relationship through facebook, myspace. Thats how his comrades busted his @$$...I think, but I'm not sure, that I heard a report that said they actually dated once.

[mosey2]

she met him at a party through jesse grund.

And Shellberry, the site was Facebook, its like myspace. Networking, he "hit her up" a fw times and she finally got hooked up w/ him at fusion one night.
Yeah, that's right.:)

[Joan Weiss]

Hi everyone! Anything eventful happen today???No, except Cindy went out and weeded below the front window with a bodyguard standing alongside. :rolleyes:

[luvinlife]

some parts were cut off on the one I saw, but I got the gist of it.

it really is sticking in my head.
was she trying to make her look bad, or does she know something no one else does?

imo/jmo


I know, I am really disappointed she did the article with the globe, I thought because she seemed to love Caylee so much in that jail call, I don't know it just doesn't seem right. 20/20, dateline anybody but the globe or inquirer.

I think she was trying to make her look bad. Maybe though the globe edited what she said and it just sounded weird.

they probably had all kinds of things she said, but just took her theory and nothing else.

[barskin&co.]

I do know something about those sites. I signed up on some and also found some that are not so nice. Some of the really dirty ones don't cost anything but all the peopple there are scum who just want to hook up with someone. It would be almost like being a hooker but not getting paid, some of them have people who just come right out and say they just want sex. Casey could go right on those to hook up. It may be mean to say but she acts like a tramp if you ask me. So I can see her doing it like that to meet guys.

You know, I don't want to call Casey a "tramp." I don't care how many guys she's ever "hooked up" with. I do no like making judgemental references to women based on their sex lives. I only care that she (I truly believe) killed her daughter.

[Oregongal]

Oh, for pete's sake, I've done it again...posted a nice long post and found everyone gone. I'm telling you all, I deserve some kind of prize for continuoulsy doing this. :D
And I also find you all already on pg 3.
I wish we had a hanging and shaking my head smilie.
Well, I'm bringing over what I was posting while you all were moving....I just hate it when I get on a roll and find myself talking to myself.
I can do that without posting, sometimes do, but when I put in the effort to post, I really feel bad thinking no one will 'hear' me. My walls don't respond to me and I appreciate it when I get feedback from posting buds.
:)
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Originally Posted by martha
I can;t believe cindy did not know casey was preg. Casey is a very small person and it would not take much for it to show on her.jmho

I can [i]almost[i] believe that Cindy did not know. With Casey being such an accomplished liar and the idea that maybe Cindy had been falling for all her lies for so long, I can see Cindy saying, are you pregnant? And then Casey coming back with the comment that's been posted before...no, I'd have to have sex to be pregnant.
Cindy being in that believing Casey no matter what, might have thought ok, guess I'm crazy for thinking that.
Since it's pretty much agreed that Casey is a sociopathic/narcissist, which didn't happen overnight, socio's have a way of lying straight to your face and making you feel as if you are the crazy one for thinking they are lying. This probably went on for years between them. As her mother, Cindy wanted to believe Casey and didn't go with her own gut.
And who knows what else could have been said by Casey...no, I've just been eating too many cheeseburgers or something like that.
Also, I've seen too many real life stories where the pregnant teen was able to fool everyone to totally discount that Casey could have done the same.
If we are to go by Cindy's brothers posts...Rick...that he approached Cindy and George about the the pregnancy and them denying it, that could have been the catalyst point that forced them to seriously confront Casey and then she broke and admitted it. Then they took her to a doctor. That also could be the time Cindy thought of when she said, Casey has lied, but then she's broken and told me the truth. (Paraphrasing here, not quoting exactly I'm sure)
I also think that maybe Casey didn't know she was pregnant. Or went into total denial within herself about that. Socio's tend to deny anything and everything...even to themselves. In the case of an upcoming baby that's not exactly something you can forever do that with tho. That baby is gonna come whether you want it to or not. Other lies, other denials may be something you can lie or deny about forever...like Caylee being still alive and someone else has her. If her body is never found, Casey, in her mind can continue the lie and denial. With the impending birth of a baby you've lied and denied about, diff story. Labor starts, baby is born...absolute, total proof that cannot be lied away or denied.
As for who the father of Caylee may be, I feel that's a moot point. Whether Casey knows or not, she lied about it to begin with, I don't see that changing in any way. And now that Caylee is dead, does it really matter in this case? I would imagine there are many young men out there right now wondering if they are Caylee's father. But, what good would it bring for any of them to know if they were? Caylee is gone. So any parental rights they might have are gone with her.
IMO it has nothing to do with this case because I truly feel that what Casey did to Caylee was her alone. To try and bring in a maybe father of Caylee in my mind accomplishes or help nothing.
My thoughts on what may have come after... covering up by G&C, is a whole nother post.
Sorry this is long and remember to read my sig.
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[Oregongal]

I am such a dork

I went to the other thread to say I made a new thread.
Then I clicked on the link for the new thread.
Then I closed the old thread.
Then I closed this thread.
Then I treid to get back on IS and it asked for my name and password.
Had to look it up.
I am such a dork lol

Reading back here and you are not a dork Laurie, that's my title for posting a long post when everyone is on a new thread.
:biggrin:

[Shellberry]

I do know something about those sites. I signed up on some and also found some that are not so nice. Some of the really dirty ones don't cost anything but all the peopple there are scum who just want to hook up with someone. It would be almost like being a hooker but not getting paid, some of them have people who just come right out and say they just want sex. Casey could go right on those to hook up. It may be mean to say but she acts like a tramp if you ask me. So I can see her doing it like that to meet guys.
haha, I think I know the site you may be talking about, I aint posting the name of it though, I dont want to get kicked off.
I think she may act like that because she has a child, no one wants someone with a child, maybe she thought that.

she met him at a party through jesse grund.

And Shellberry, the site was Facebook, its like myspace. Networking, he "hit her up" a fw times and she finally got hooked up w/ him at fusion one night.yea, I just reread and saw you said facebook up there, sorry

Oh. I thought you meant eharmony or something like that. You don't even need to be on a dating site, to meet someone online. Like this forum, its not a dating site, but people become friends and meet in real life..etc...yea, I was wondering what her myspace profile says she is there for... friends/dating/or whatever the other options are

I know, I am really disappointed she did the article with the globe, I thought because she seemed to love Caylee so much in that jail call, I don't know it just doesn't seem right. 20/20, dateline anybody but the globe or inquirer.

I think she was trying to make her look bad. Maybe though the globe edited what she said and it just sounded weird.

they probably had all kinds of things she said, but just took her theory and nothing else.
well at least she didnt spill to that black and white crazy paper-'weekly world news' (I think that is what it is called)
I wonder if she will come out and say that they edited everything she said?
could be-I think I heard of a lawsuit against either globe or the enquirer for doing that.
hmm, I wonder if they offered her the most money?
:(


imo/jmo

[Joan Weiss]

That's Anthony Rusciano. No they met at a party where Jesse introduced them, but maintained their relationship through facebook, myspace. Thats how his comrades busted his @$$...I think, but I'm not sure, that I heard a report that said they actually dated once.Didn't he get fired for that lie? He SAID he dated her one time, but it was more than that, IIRC.

[mosey2]

Thanks, mosey! And Python!
You're quite welcome. It's a sad state of affairs when I realize I know so much about this case and the attached family. I'm starting to think my mechanic is right-- I need to get a life!

Anyone know where they rent them, short term?

[Oregongal]

Three of us are meeting for lunch next wednesday in Tulsa if anyone is interested in joining us....I don't think the others would mind if I said this...it's on topic...we will be discussing this case....so you can pm for details....

I would love to, but, on the other side of the country, don't think I'd be on time. Enjoy and say hi from me to all who are there.
:seeya:

[rj1212]

Let's see...you've got athletes who have served 6 month prison sentences for lying under oath about steroid use...

What happens in this case if Casey Anthony lies under oath?

Isn't that perjury?

In other words, more serious charges?

[mosey2]

Didn't he get fired for that lie? He SAID he dated her one time, but it was more than that, IIRC.
He said he met her at a party, but that is where the relationship started and ended, until they found the online communications. I dont think they spoke online after July 16, though.

[Joan Weiss]

haha, I think I know you may be talking about, I aint posting the name of it though, I dont want to get kicked off.
<snip>I think she may act like that because she has a child, no one wants someone with a child, maybe she thought that.
jmoOMG, Shell, there's the motive! :eek: imo

Now, what do you think the reason was for her not bringing Caylee over to Tony's?

[Takotna]

Here is a question for all the superb sleuth minds here: Why would Casey have a hand written note (232 Glenwood) in her car. That is :confused:Richardo, Amy and JP's place that she had been visiting, staying over night for many months???

I'll take a stab at this.
Sometimes I'll go to someone's house many times, I know where it is but may not know the exact address. I needed to write a thankyou note the other day - I had to drive by the person's house to get the correct street number. Casey probably wasn't getting mail there, so she may not have known the exact street address.

Possibly, she wrote it down because she needed to remember it for some reason (buying a new phone, changing mailing address - on credit cards, etc.)- She had Amy's resume too - seems to me she was gathering Amy's info...:shrug:

AllMO:)

[mosey2]

haha, I think I know the site you may be talking about, I aint posting the name of it though, I dont want to get kicked off.
I think she may act like that because she has a child, no one wants someone with a child, maybe she thought that.

yea, I just reread and saw you said facebook up there, sorry

yea, I was wondering what her myspace profile says she is there for... friends/dating/or whatever the other options are


well at least she didnt spill to that black and white crazy paper-'weekly world news' (I think that is what it is called)
I wonder if she will come out and say that they edited everything she said?
could be-I think I heard of a lawsuit against either globe or the enquirer for doing that.
hmm, I wonder if they offered her the most money?
:(


imo/jmo
Weekly World News LOL! Casey is an alien and Elvis is the babydaddy?

[Shellberry]

Didn't he get fired for that lie? He SAID he dated her one time, but it was more than that, IIRC.

yea he got fired for lying about his involvement with her/the case.
he said one time--but her computer records showed otherwise.

I really dont blame him, he was new on the force--6 months was it?
I wouldnt want to be associated with her either, it would ruin his possible career, well, I suppose it did...

imo/jmo

[Joan Weiss]

He said he met her at a party, but that is where the relationship started and ended, until they found the online communications. I dont think they spoke online after July 16, though.Come on, he got fired for lying about it. imo

[barskin&co.]

Didn't he get fired for that lie? He SAID he dated her one time, but it was more than that, IIRC.

No, his lie was that he had only "met" her, never dated her. Then they found online evidence of hot-and-heavydom. That was the lie that goy him fired.


Deputy Connected To Casey Anthony Fired
updated 1:03 p.m. ET, Wed., Aug. 27, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. - Officials said a deputy has been fired for lying about his relationship with Casey Anthony, the mother of missing toddler Caylee. Officials said Deputy Anthony Rusciano was fired for untruthfulness.

Rusciano, who had only been with the department for six months, was contacted by investigators in the search for Caylee and asked if he knew Casey Anthony. He said he had only met her once at a party.

Eventually investigators discovered that Rusciano had lied regarding his relationship with Anthony. Computer evidence revealed that Rusciano's relationship, which occurred before Caylee was reported missing in mid-July, extended beyond a one-time meeting.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26410773/

[Oregongal]

Thats what I was thinking too. Why would Casey have online dating? I doubt she had many problems getting a guy.

jmho

Well, she sure has a problem now that she's on house confinement.

[Shellberry]

OMG, Shell, there's the motive! :eek: imo

Now, what do you think the reason was for her not bringing Caylee over to Tony's?

are you being a wise duppa or are you serious?

:confused:

[mosey2]

I'll take a stab at this.
Sometimes I'll go to someone's house many times, I know where it is but may not know the exact address. I needed to write a thankyou note the other day - I had to drive by the person's house to get the correct street number. Casey probably wasn't getting mail there, so she may not have known the exact street address.

Possibly, she wrote it down because she needed to remember it for some reason (buying a new phone, changing mailing address - on credit cards, etc.)- She had Amy's resume too - seems to me she was gathering Amy's info...:shrug:

AllMO:)


OHH!! Gathering Amy's info!! That makes perfect sense, since she was running around town cashing Amy's checks!!

I thought it might have been placed there because she wanted the car stolen from Amscot and wanted to leave the LE a clue of some sort.:(

[mosey2]

Come on, he got fired for lying about it. imo
I know. Point?

[barskin&co.]

More on the Casey/Anthony Rusciano debacle:

When investigators contacted Deputy Rusciano by telephone, Deputy Rusciano admitted that he had met the individual for a very brief moment at a party they both attended," wrote Chief Frank Fabrizio. "Deputy Rusciano denied ever having any further contact with that person."

Investigators say Rusciano provided inaccurate and incomplete responses after they discovered communication between he and Casey following a search of her computer. Upon being confronted with the evidence, he admitted to lying to investigators.

"Lying to investigators during the course of any investigation is unacceptable and reason for termination," Fabrizio wrote.

http://www.myfoxwghp.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7293527&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.3.1

[mosey2]

OMG, Shell, there's the motive! :eek: imo

Now, what do you think the reason was for her not bringing Caylee over to Tony's?Oh I think she brought Caylee over to Tony's apartment every time before June 16th. It's just sad Caylee never made it out of the parking lot.

MOO

[Shellberry]

Weekly World News LOL! Casey is an alien and Elvis is the babydaddy?

who knows how they would rip the story apart.
seriously.

I glance at the cover every now and then at walmart, but it isnt as good (funny) as it was 10 years ago.
when I was younger one of the best things about going to the grocery store every week was getting that paper LOL (my mom and gram went nuts over those papers)
oh the memories...

imo/jmo

[Joan Weiss]

Oh, for pete's sake, I've done it again...posted a nice long post and found everyone gone. I'm telling you all, I deserve some kind of prize for continuoulsy doing this. :D
And I also find you all already on pg 3.
I wish we had a hanging and shaking my head smilie.
Well, I'm bringing over what I was posting while you all were moving....I just hate it when I get on a roll and find myself talking to myself.
I can do that without posting, sometimes do, but when I put in the effort to post, I really feel bad thinking no one will 'hear' me. My walls don't respond to me and I appreciate it when I get feedback from posting buds.
:)
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Originally Posted by martha
I can;t believe cindy did not know casey was preg. Casey is a very small person and it would not take much for it to show on her.jmho

I can [i]almost[i] believe that Cindy did not know. With Casey being such an accomplished liar and the idea that maybe Cindy had been falling for all her lies for so long, I can see Cindy saying, are you pregnant? And then Casey coming back with the comment that's been posted before...no, I'd have to have sex to be pregnant.
Cindy being in that believing Casey no matter what, might have thought ok, guess I'm crazy for thinking that.
Since it's pretty much agreed that Casey is a sociopathic/narcissist, which didn't happen overnight, socio's have a way of lying straight to your face and making you feel as if you are the crazy one for thinking they are lying. This probably went on for years between them. As her mother, Cindy wanted to believe Casey and didn't go with her own gut.
And who knows what else could have been said by Casey...no, I've just been eating too many cheeseburgers or something like that.
Also, I've seen too many real life stories where the pregnant teen was able to fool everyone to totally discount that Casey could have done the same.
If we are to go by Cindy's brothers posts...Rick...that he approached Cindy and George about the the pregnancy and them denying it, that could have been the catalyst point that forced them to seriously confront Casey and then she broke and admitted it. Then they took her to a doctor. That also could be the time Cindy thought of when she said, Casey has lied, but then she's broken and told me the truth. (Paraphrasing here, not quoting exactly I'm sure)
I also think that maybe Casey didn't know she was pregnant. Or went into total denial within herself about that. Socio's tend to deny anything and everything...even to themselves. In the case of an upcoming baby that's not exactly something you can forever do that with tho. That baby is gonna come whether you want it to or not. Other lies, other denials may be something you can lie or deny about forever...like Caylee being still alive and someone else has her. If her body is never found, Casey, in her mind can continue the lie and denial. With the impending birth of a baby you've lied and denied about, diff story. Labor starts, baby is born...absolute, total proof that cannot be lied away or denied.
As for who the father of Caylee may be, I feel that's a moot point. Whether Casey knows or not, she lied about it to begin with, I don't see that changing in any way. And now that Caylee is dead, does it really matter in this case? I would imagine there are many young men out there right now wondering if they are Caylee's father. But, what good would it bring for any of them to know if they were? Caylee is gone. So any parental rights they might have are gone with her.
IMO it has nothing to do with this case because I truly feel that what Casey did to Caylee was her alone. To try and bring in a maybe father of Caylee in my mind accomplishes or help nothing.
My thoughts on what may have come after... covering up by G&C, is a whole nother post.
Sorry this is long and remember to read my sig.
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I agree to disagree and I have the right to ignore.hey, that's a great post. I feel as though you are sitting and talking with me. Very good, totally believable, except Cindy must have been in serious denial if she couldn't tell her daughter was pregnant.

Oh, smack! What am I saying? She's in serious denial right now, saying stupid things like "pizza, hair doesn't mean anything, etc. and etc."
George is doing the same thing: "The dead person in the trunk is NOT my granddaughter! Get your facts straight!"

I'm beginning to wonder if this family has ever lived in reality...imo

[Adonna]

Here is Casey's weird poem for those that missed reading it....

ORLANDO -- On one of the MySpace.com pages regarding Caylee, there is a blog, apparently from Casey Anthony, called the Diary of Days, which was posted on July 7.

It reads, in part:

"On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken

Trust no one, Only yourself.

With great power, comes great consequence.

What is given, Can be taken away.

Everyone Lies.

Everyone Dies."

[Joan Weiss]

Oh I think she brought Caylee over to Tony's apartment every time before June 16th. It's just sad Caylee never made it out of the parking lot.

MOOMy heart just skipped a beat...:(

[mosey2]

Here is Casey's weird poem for those that missed reading it....

ORLANDO -- On one of the MySpace.com pages regarding Caylee, there is a blog, apparently from Casey Anthony, called the Diary of Days, which was posted on July 7.

It reads, in part:

"On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken

Trust no one, Only yourself.

With great power, comes great consequence.

What is given, Can be taken away.

Everyone Lies.

Everyone Dies."
Meanwhile, she was counting the days...

[Joan Weiss]

Here is Casey's weird poem for those that missed reading it....

ORLANDO -- On one of the MySpace.com pages regarding Caylee, there is a blog, apparently from Casey Anthony, called the Diary of Days, which was posted on July 7.

It reads, in part:

"On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken

Trust no one, Only yourself.

With great power, comes great consequence.

What is given, Can be taken away.

Everyone Lies.

Everyone Dies."I hate reading that, it makes me barf

[Joan Weiss]

No it doesn't.

How many guests has she had over? Not including law enforcement personnel or Baez.

Any you can think of?

No? I thought so. :)I can't imagine it...lol...

:seeya:

[Oregongal]

Ha ha on me! iI feel double dumb for posting to myself over on the other message list. Thanks to whoever it was that said I needed to be here. I wish I could stay but I better go. It's late and I am on my sisters computer. I'm staying at her house for a while. she is pretty nice for a perfect big sister :rolleyes: you probably know people like her. I better not stay a long time cause she might want on here. Her baby doesn't sleep like my kids do {hahaha!} and I know she likes to come to this place and some others in the middle of the night when her baby is awake. She said I would like reading here and you people would be more patient and help me understand this case better than her because you are more patient. Hahaha! LOL, that is true! She is the smart one but I'm the pretty one ok not really but I'm alright too. She is just a normal older sister who just about raised me since I was a baby. Our mom doesn't do really good with being responsible and taking care of anyuone but herself. She does do good as a gramma tho. She drives me nuts like a mom can cause she is very bossy and a know it all so I can see how Cindy drove casey nuts too being bossy like that. But thats still no reason to go totally nuts and hurt her toddler.I mean my sister, she is like my mom more than my mom is.
Let me see what you are all talking about and maybe I have something not just dumb to say to.
OMG I DO sound dumb when I write! LOL don't laugh please I had a learning problem but it isn't very bad it just makes my reading hard and my writing come out weird. I never took special ed or anything but I do get a runny mouth instead of a runny nose. LOL

You don't sound dumb to me at all EaudeT. You sound like someone who cares and wants to express your own feeling and opinions.
You've come to the right place and Welcome. :rose:
Just keep reading and feel free to post whatever you think and feel anytime. We are all caring and loving people here and really like it when we have someone new come in to give their thoughts and opinions.
Don't worry about your writing, we'll figure it out. The fact that you care enough about Caylee to be here is good enough for me to look forward to whatever you write.
PS-I have a runny mouth too.;)
If you see a long post, it's probably mine. I've never claimed to be a woman of a few words and have proved that here many times.

[Shellberry]

Question about phones and sim cards...

I have an old LG phone...for whatever reason the phone was set to the wrong frequency and would drop a call multiple times. It got to the point that friends and family begged me to get a new phone. So I got a new cell phone (same company) and they put the old sim card from the old phone into the new one. I kept the same number and kept the old phone as a back up after the guy explained to me that the old phone was not a bad model it was set to frequency three and not two and that was why many people had had a problem with the phone.

I downloaded a couple of different rings to that old phone but when the sim card is in the new phone...I can't seem to find them or a list of the outgoing or incoming calls from the old phone even though it is the same sim card.

First off...how do I get the rings from the old phone to the new phone? It is the same sim card and yet the pictures and stuff on the old phone don't show up on the new one when the same sim card is in them.

I am wondering if Casey or a friend experienced the same issue. And that is what sparked the lie about the phone. That was why she thought that she could lie about the phone numbers. They would still show up on the statement...no matter what tranfers between phones with the same sim card. Just a thought. She probably had gone through a few cell phone upgrades and knew that you would lose some information like I did.

I have an lg phone-you can save EVERYTHING to the sim card rather than the 'memory' on the actual phone.
not sure what model you have, but that should do it.

imo/jmo

[EaudeT]

I'm really sorry! I didn't mean for anyone to get mad aboiut what I said about Casey being a tramp. I was just trying to get my point out there, and like I sadi I'm not always good at words and getting my point out in writing. I REALLY feel like a dumb butt now that I went and made someone mad. I better quit saying things and not cause problems. Hopefully if I have a question someone will help me so I can really figure this stuff out.
I pray about Caylee every night and hopefully God has a way to bring her back where she belongs but I'm afraid she is just out in the woods and won't ever get found at all. I thought I heard that there were going to be more charges again today, but I think they were just saying the same charges as everyone here already heard about on Friday or yesterday. Hope that she gets alot of those bad check charges, at least she will get some punishment for all the rotten things she has been doing to everyone.

[Takotna]

OHH!! Gathering Amy's info!! That makes perfect sense, since she was running around town cashing Amy's checks!!

I thought it might have been placed there because she wanted the car stolen from Amscot and wanted to leave the LE a clue of some sort.:(

It's occured to me as well that she intended the car to be stolen - dummy purse on the seat, etc...(silly thing to expect if you ask me) I don't think she expected it would be impounded!

I think the address, resume, etc. didn't have anything to do with the abandonment of the car. She was using it for something. She was too lazy to clean things out of the car - bet she wishes she'd taken Amy's resume! Cindy would have had a harder time finding her.

Just thought of this - maybe Casey actually thought the car was stolen - she must have known it wasn't there any more!

AllMO:)

[mosey2]

My heart just skipped a beat...:(
Remember in Tonys interview when he says that Casey would go down into the parkinglot to talk to her mom on the phone because she didnt want him to hear her "acting like a lunatic"? I think she was checking on her baby girl. Maybe thats why she needed a spare key...
MOO

[Joan Weiss]

OHH!! Gathering Amy's info!! That makes perfect sense, since she was running around town cashing Amy's checks!!

I thought it might have been placed there because she wanted the car stolen from Amscot and wanted to leave the LE a clue of some sort.:(She didn't have Amy's checks yet, when she abandoned the car. No one seems to have an answer for that resume in the car. imo

[EaudeT]

You don't sound dumb to me at all EaudeT. You sound like someone who cares and wants to express your own feeling and opinions.
You've come to the right place and Welcome. :rose:
Just keep reading and feel free to post whatever you think and feel anytime. We are all caring and loving people here and really like it when we have someone new come in to give their thoughts and opinions.
Don't worry about your writing, we'll figure it out. The fact that you care enough about Caylee to be here is good enough for me to look forward to whatever you write.
PS-I have a runny mouth too.;)
If you see a long post, it's probably mine. I've never claimed to be a woman of a few words and have proved that here many times.TYour one of the really nicest ones here. I like to read your posts because you try to stay nice and be kind to everyone even peopple that make dumb mistakes and get things wrong or don't agree with you. Thank you for being nice to me to. I know I sound dumb when I write! everyone tells me so and I get even worse if I'm really tired. Someday I will get online when I'm wide awake and you'll think I'm a einstein compared to late at night. My kids wear me out alot!
Now I know people say stay on topic so I'm going to go read and just ask questions and stuff.
Thanks again!:seeya:

[Shellberry]

hey, that's a great post. I feel as though you are sitting and talking with me. Very good, totally believable, except Cindy must have been in serious denial if she couldn't tell her daughter was pregnant.

Oh, smack! What am I saying? She's in serious denial right now, saying stupid things like "pizza, hair doesn't mean anything, etc. and etc."
George is doing the same thing: "The dead person in the trunk is NOT my granddaughter! Get your facts straight!"

I'm beginning to wonder if this family has ever lived in reality...imo

if casey didnt want to be pregnant, she wasnt
in her mind.
she is a small girl, there are ways to hide it, various clothes, etc.
not everyone gains a ton when they are pg to make it noticeable.
and some fortunate people only gain weight in the belly.
casey was just out of high school, didnt have to wake up for school, etc she probably wasnt around the house all that much.
cindy and george both worked at that time right?
maybe she just avoided them in the later months when she started to show :shrug:

imo/jmo

[mosey2]

It's occured to me as well that she intended the car to be stolen - dummy purse on the seat, etc...(silly thing to expect if you ask me) I don't think she expected it would be impounded!

I think the address, resume, etc. didn't have anything to do with the abandonment of the car. She was using it for something. She was too lazy to clean things out of the car - bet she wishes she'd taken Amy's resume! Cindy would have had a harder time finding her.

Just thought of this - maybe Casey actually thought the car was stolen - she must have known it wasn't there any more!

AllMO:)
There is undoubtedly a whole S-load of stuff we dont know yet that will be revieled in trial. Like, did she go into Amscot and ask about the wherabouts of her car?
Also ZG has 2 children. Casey said ZFG's sister had 2 kids. Did Casey see ZG picking up her children from the (female) babysitters and assume that the kids belonged to the sitter?
I really believe Casey stalked ZG

[luvinlife]

I'm really sorry! I didn't mean for anyone to get mad aboiut what I said about Casey being a tramp. I was just trying to get my point out there, and like I sadi I'm not always good at words and getting my point out in writing. I REALLY feel like a dumb butt now that I went and made someone mad. I better quit saying things and not cause problems. Hopefully if I have a question someone will help me so I can really figure this stuff out.
I pray about Caylee every night and hopefully God has a way to bring her back where she belongs but I'm afraid she is just out in the woods and won't ever get found at all. I thought I heard that there were going to be more charges again today, but I think they were just saying the same charges as everyone here already heard about on Friday or yesterday. Hope that she gets alot of those bad check charges, at least she will get some punishment for all the rotten things she has been doing to everyone.



Don't worry about making anyone mad. Everyone has their own opinions about Casey, most of them aren't nice.

Ask anything you like we don't always have the answers, but usually someone will try and answer it for you.

We all pray for Caylee and she is the reason we are all here, she is such a sweet little girl who grabbed our hearts. All we can do is pray.

I agree I hope they charge her with everything possible the more charges the more time she will do.

The additional charges they said that last week too and they charged her but didn't rearrest her which in my opinion is too bad.

Welcome by the way and I hope you keep posting.:seeya:

[mags]

Remember in Tonys interview when he says that Casey would go down into the parkinglot to talk to her mom on the phone because she didnt want him to hear her "acting like a lunatic"? I think she was checking on her baby girl. Maybe thats why she needed a spare key...
MOO

I think she didn't want Tony hear her say that Caylee was with the Nanny at the beach or whereever she said she was. Didn't she tell Tony that she was with her parents at times.

[Marianne]

I think it stemmed from her giving her child to a person that does not exist at an apartment that was vacant.

I would love for there to be a law that would allow a separete felony charge for her not reporting the "kidnapping".

In the interview tapes of Casey she gets into describing the Zenaida as a Black-Hispanic woman. Is it possible that the name is made up but that she did arrange to meet a woman of that description over at the stairwell? Did Casey drop Caylee off in a black plastic bag and this woman disposed of it? If Casey paid her in cash there would be no record of it.


And I agree about the kidnapping charge. Casey would never have reported it.

[Joan Weiss]

You'd have to imagine it because in reality... it hasn't happened.

And it most likely won't happen. :)

IMO."Sure, honey, just stroll on past the protesters, take a right past the bodyguards, and we can make out in the backyard. I'll barbecue for you." imo

[purplepoints]

She didn't have Amy's checks yet, when she abandoned the car. No one seems to have an answer for that resume in the car. imo


Maybe something as simple as Amy was riding in the car with Casey at some point in time and left it there

OR

Casey was planning on stealing her identity and later didn't need to when she found her checks

OR

Casey was planning on doing something, I don't know what, while Amy was gone and again didn't have to cause she found her checks

all IMO

[Takotna]

I'm really sorry! I didn't mean for anyone to get mad aboiut what I said about Casey being a tramp. I was just trying to get my point out there, and like I sadi I'm not always good at words and getting my point out in writing. I REALLY feel like a dumb butt now that I went and made someone mad. I better quit saying things and not cause problems. Hopefully if I have a question someone will help me so I can really figure this stuff out.
I pray about Caylee every night and hopefully God has a way to bring her back where she belongs but I'm afraid she is just out in the woods and won't ever get found at all. I thought I heard that there were going to be more charges again today, but I think they were just saying the same charges as everyone here already heard about on Friday or yesterday. Hope that she gets alot of those bad check charges, at least she will get some punishment for all the rotten things she has been doing to everyone.


You're doing just fine. The folks here are great at answering questions! I'm always learning something. We all have something in common, genuine love and concern for Caylee.:rose:

[Oregongal]

hey, that's a great post. I feel as though you are sitting and talking with me. Very good, totally believable, except Cindy must have been in serious denial if she couldn't tell her daughter was pregnant.

Oh, smack! What am I saying? She's in serious denial right now, saying stupid things like "pizza, hair doesn't mean anything, etc. and etc."
George is doing the same thing: "The dead person in the trunk is NOT my granddaughter! Get your facts straight!"

I'm beginning to wonder if this family has ever lived in reality...imo

Thank you, just spit my Chardonnay all over myself laughing.
:beer:

[Shellberry]

She didn't have Amy's checks yet, when she abandoned the car. No one seems to have an answer for that resume in the car. imo

maybe she promised to drop it off for amy at some point
doing a favor for a friend.
or maybe it was an old one that she stole from the house.

:shrug:

imo/jmo

[luvinlife]

It's occured to me as well that she intended the car to be stolen - dummy purse on the seat, etc...(silly thing to expect if you ask me) I don't think she expected it would be impounded!

I think the address, resume, etc. didn't have anything to do with the abandonment of the car. She was using it for something. She was too lazy to clean things out of the car - bet she wishes she'd taken Amy's resume! Cindy would have had a harder time finding her.

Just thought of this - maybe Casey actually thought the car was stolen - she must have known it wasn't there any more!

AllMO:)



I agree with everything you've said.

[Joan Weiss]

if casey didnt want to be pregnant, she wasnt
in her mind.
she is a small girl, there are ways to hide it, various clothes, etc.
not everyone gains a ton when they are pg to make it noticeable.
and some fortunate people only gain weight in the belly.
casey was just out of high school, didnt have to wake up for school, etc she probably wasnt around the house all that much.
cindy and george both worked at that time right?
maybe she just avoided them in the later months when she started to show :shrug:

imo/jmoRick said she was showing her belly. I don't think she was trying to hide it. imo

[mosey2]

She didn't have Amy's checks yet, when she abandoned the car. No one seems to have an answer for that resume in the car. imo
Oh Yeah! The car was abandoned on June 27th and she didnt have Amy's car 'til July 8th. She was cashing check while driving Amy's car (:punch:<--me)Wonder why the resume would be in there, then??
So it would have been a handwritten note with the address, since Cindy would have taken the resume in the house to call.

[Joan Weiss]

maybe she promised to drop it off for amy at some point
doing a favor for a friend.
or maybe it was an old one that she stole from the house.

:shrug:

imo/jmoYes, that makes sense. Telling Amy she knows someone who could give her a job. imo

[EaudeT]

Don't worry about making anyone mad. Everyone has their own opinions about Casey, most of them aren't nice.

Ask anything you like we don't always have the answers, but usually someone will try and answer it for you.

We all pray for Caylee and she is the reason we are all here, she is such a sweet little girl who grabbed our hearts. All we can do is pray.

I agree I hope they charge her with everything possible the more charges the more time she will do.

The additional charges they said that last week too and they charged her but didn't rearrest her which in my opinion is too bad.

Welcome by the way and I hope you keep posting.:seeya::seeya: Hi back. I think it was you who said to come here I was at the old thread so thank you!
I really AM samrter than i cannmake my posts sound. My reading is really good I read tons of books mostly the biographies because people are really interesting to me, especailly the weird ones! I guess thats everyone though! I can read all the posts pretty fast and get caught up, but I forgot some things too. I wanted to ask about Casey being pregnant and No one knew? Is that right? I have known some girls who were like that, but I didn't remember reading anything like that about Casey. Didn't she know or was it just her mom and dad?

[luvinlife]

I see your imagination is working just fine. :)

I'm sure Casey will have plenty of admirers in prison.

I'm also sure she'll have plenty of people who don't admire her in prison.

IMO.



No kidding you would think that would scare the @$^@^ out of her.







Oh yeah right, she doesn't have any feelings.

[Oregongal]

Home confinement doesn't prevent her from having guests over.
:eek:

Very true, but surely either the reporters posted there 24/7 or the web cam would have caught onto a 'guest' by now.
:shrug:

[mosey2]

In the interview tapes of Casey she gets into describing the Zenaida as a Black-Hispanic woman. Is it possible that the name is made up but that she did arrange to meet a woman of that description over at the stairwell? Did Casey drop Caylee off in a black plastic bag and this woman disposed of it? If Casey paid her in cash there would be no record of it.


And I agree about the kidnapping charge. Casey would never have reported it.
But HOW DID CASEY KNOW that a Zenaida Gonzalez was looking at the apartments at exactly the same time as she claimed she dropped off Caylee. She was trying to pin it on an unsuspecting dupe.

[luvinlife]

:seeya: Hi back. I think it was you who said to come here I was at the old thread so thank you!
I really AM samrter than i cannmake my posts sound. My reading is really good I read tons of books mostly the biographies because people are really interesting to me, especailly the weird ones! I guess thats everyone though! I can read all the posts pretty fast and get caught up, but I forgot some things too. I wanted to ask about Casey being pregnant and No one knew? Is that right? I have known some girls who were like that, but I didn't remember reading anything like that about Casey. Didn't she know or was it just her mom and dad?



No problem


Well this definately is a weird one.

There was a poster on another site that claimed to be Cindy's brother. He said that Casey was noticable pregnant at his wedding and that Cindy,George and Casey all denied she was pregnant. At this time she was said to be 7 months pregnant. I don't have a link, but I believe that one was posted on the earlier thread today.

[Joan Weiss]

I think she didn't want Tony hear her say that Caylee was with the Nanny at the beach or whereever she said she was. Didn't she tell Tony that she was with her parents at times.Kind of hard to get a grip on thinking Casey left Caylee in the car overnight all those times, huh? None of us want to believe that, but she sure wasn't at Cindy's.

Where do you think Caylee was all those nights?

[Marianne]

That's Anthony Rusciano. No they met at a party where Jesse introduced them, but maintained their relationship through facebook, myspace. Thats how his comrades busted his @$$...I think, but I'm not sure, that I heard a report that said they actually dated once.


I was reading in the Links thread a link to Jesse Grund's Father. He is the father of the police officer who got fired for lying about dating Casey. The father was angry about all the hate mail and threats their family was getting and he claimed little Caylee was over at their home "almost every day" for almost a year and that Caylee was one year old.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Kind of hard to get a grip on thinking Casey left Caylee in the car overnight all those times, huh? None of us want to believe that, but she sure wasn't at Cindy's.

Where do you think Caylee was all those nights?


Couldn't sleep. I would love to know where Caylee was all those nights and days Casey was out and about without Caylee. She wasn't with Cindy and she wasn't with a fictitious Zanny.

[EaudeT]

Thanks for answering me! So i guess they mostly did know she was pregnant but no one wanted to talk about it? like if they didn't ssay it it wasn't so? Or does anyone really know if Casey knew or was just in denial or really didn't know. Not every girl gets told the facts of life, some moms don't care and some moms think it doesn't matter because their kids won't have sex :rolleyes:more like that mom and dad are dumb enough to think they won't. I'm lucky I had a sister who did care and taught me better so I acted like a lady and at least got out of HS before I got caught as they say. I was just about the same age as Casey when I had my first and I do know it can get pretty hard to be a mom and see your friends go out and all. MY firends mostly had kids, around here people have their kids pretty young and alot of the moms are like Casey and go out anyway. My sister never let me and I'm glad! She said she would turn me in herself if I left the baby dumped off somewhere so I could go hoochie mama around with my friends. I was always able to have her watch my kids tho. and do just about anything but party. I guess Casey never got told that having kids means the party is over and time to grow up because your kids need you.
Too bad she didn't know anyone to help her learn to be responsible even tho. shhe is pretty young. I'm glad I took good care of my baby I would kick my own a--end iff anything bad ever happened to her then.

[mags]

Kind of hard to get a grip on thinking Casey left Caylee in the car overnight all those times, huh? None of us want to believe that, but she sure wasn't at Cindy's.

Where do you think Caylee was all those nights?

I am just saying that if Tony heard her talking to her mother then she would have been caught in her lies then. If Caylee was in the car I don't think she would check on her. She could have cared less about Caylee. If I had any idea where she put Caylee I would be calling LE.

[johnielee333]

TYour one of the really nicest ones here. I like to read your posts because you try to stay nice and be kind to everyone even peopple that make dumb mistakes and get things wrong or don't agree with you. Thank you for being nice to me to. I know I sound dumb when I write! everyone tells me so and I get even worse if I'm really tired. Someday I will get online when I'm wide awake and you'll think I'm a einstein compared to late at night. My kids wear me out alot!
Now I know people say stay on topic so I'm going to go read and just ask questions and stuff.
Thanks again!:seeya:

hi EaudeT, dont pay attention to anyone who may say you sound dumb when you write. i dont think you do. people who say that dont care about people IMO. dont let 'em get to ya. just be yourself & keep on posting.

[rj1212]

Kind of hard to get a grip on thinking Casey left Caylee in the car overnight all those times, huh? None of us want to believe that, but she sure wasn't at Cindy's.

Where do you think Caylee was all those nights?

That's the million dollar question...where was Caylee all those nights?

Where was Caylee (before she saw great grandfather for the last time)
when Casey was clubbing?

The trunk is a sad, but very real possibility.

[purplepoints]

I used to think that she might have wanted the car to be stolen too, but if it really was out of gas, how did she think someone could steal it? And, if it wasn't out of gas, then why did GA have to put gas in it before driving home? Or was Casey lying and it wasn't out of gas, GA had already talked to her and got her out of gas story and therefore just thought it was out of gas.

[Shellberry]

OMG, Shell, there's the motive! imo

Now, what do you think the reason was for her not bringing Caylee over to Tony's?

are you being a wise duppa or are you serious?

:confused:

reposting that since I dont know if you saw it Joan.
If you are serious, this is what I think.
if not, well...ok, whatever, lol

I think caylee was a young child who caught a lot of peoples attention, especially if they dont have children.
I think she was a good little girl and behaved when she was at someone elses house.
maybe casey promised her something 'tomorrow' if she is good today.
I think everywhere she took her, people took to her more than casey.
casey didnt like that.
she wants the attention.
not the little girl she had to take with her everywhere because she was talked into not putting her up for adoption.

I think the point when caylee got more attention from her friends than she did, casey flipped her lid....

Oh I think she brought Caylee over to Tony's apartment every time before June 16th. It's just sad Caylee never made it out of the parking lot.

MOO
I agree, see post above.


Don't worry about making anyone mad. Everyone has their own opinions about Casey, most of them aren't nice.

Ask anything you like we don't always have the answers, but usually someone will try and answer it for you.

We all pray for Caylee and she is the reason we are all here, she is such a sweet little girl who grabbed our hearts. All we can do is pray.

I agree I hope they charge her with everything possible the more charges the more time she will do.

The additional charges they said that last week too and they charged her but didn't rearrest her which in my opinion is too bad.

Welcome by the way and I hope you keep posting.:seeya:
ditto

Rick said she was showing her belly. I don't think she was trying to hide it. imo

Her Uncle Rick, Cindy's brother, who didn't see her often, said she was very obviously pregnant when the family met up in Hawaii. She was 6-7 months along at that time, and IIRC, wearing something that did not hide her tummy. IMO, ain't no way Cindy didn't know Casey was pregnant. Casey who lived under her roof. Casey who drew her considerable scrutiny. Cindy, the RN.

The family is a freak show that they would not mention that pregnancy until the 7th month.

Freak.

Show.

until I hear/see an official statement from uncle rick by LE or even the news, Im not going to believe it.
his family is going through this down here, why is he talking online and not down here by their side?
:shrug:
if she was 6-7 months along and didnt hide her tummy, that is around the time cindy found out -she was 7 or 8 months along then right?
I still think she didnt want to be pg, but she liked the attention she got.
you do get attention when you are pg. people fawn over you, 'baby' you.
there is a reason why she it hid it from her family...
She liked the attention from strangers, ie-there were strangers at the wedding she wouldnt have known.
even though everyone would most likely be talking to each other...

kwim?
everything imo/jmo/etc

[Oregongal]

Question about phones and sim cards...

I have an old LG phone...for whatever reason the phone was set to the wrong frequency and would drop a call multiple times. It got to the point that friends and family begged me to get a new phone. So I got a new cell phone (same company) and they put the old sim card from the old phone into the new one. I kept the same number and kept the old phone as a back up after the guy explained to me that the old phone was not a bad model it was set to frequency three and not two and that was why many people had had a problem with the phone.

I downloaded a couple of different rings to that old phone but when the sim card is in the new phone...I can't seem to find them or a list of the outgoing or incoming calls from the old phone even though it is the same sim card.

First off...how do I get the rings from the old phone to the new phone? It is the same sim card and yet the pictures and stuff on the old phone don't show up on the new one when the same sim card is in them.

I am wondering if Casey or a friend experienced the same issue. And that is what sparked the lie about the phone. That was why she thought that she could lie about the phone numbers. They would still show up on the statement...no matter what tranfers between phones with the same sim card. Just a thought. She probably had gone through a few cell phone upgrades and knew that you would lose some information like I did.

Ya got me there LB, I still have one of the old cells. No features at all. It suits my purposes right now so I have no clue how the new ones with so many features work. I do have everything show up on my statement. My DD did have an upgrade awhile ago and she said everything from her old phone/contract did continue over to her statement. Maybe it depends on if you change company's. But, I'm thinking that if you stay within the same company it will all be there. I think if you pressed your company they would be able to access that info you lost. In Casey's case, I would almost (I said almost) bet LE would be able to find access to all info, upgrades, transfers, lost sim cards or not. I'm just one of those that thinks nothing is truly lost and there are experts out there who can find those things. And LE may have experts working with them in this regard.
I also think maybe Casey may not realize there are experts out there who are able to access this info. It just may be one of those things LE and the DA are holding back in building a case against her.
It may just be my own big brother knows all thing here, but, I thinks it's a big possibility.

[Marianne]

[QUOTE=Takotna;12115691]I'll take a stab at this.
Sometimes I'll go to someone's house many times, I know where it is but may not know the exact address. I needed to write a thankyou note the other day - I had to drive by the person's house to get the correct street number. Casey probably wasn't getting mail there, so she may not have known the exact street address.

Possibly, she wrote it down because she needed to remember it for some reason (buying a new phone, changing mailing address - on credit cards, etc.)- She had Amy's resume too - seems to me she was gathering Amy's info...:shrug:

AllMO:)[/QUOTE


I think what was meant was why did Casey leave it there. Why did she leave info that could be used to find her since she seemed to 'event planning' her own kidnapping. She was hoping to disapear and never report Caylee missing.

So the answer is: stupidity! The unconscious played its hand.

[purplepoints]

I agree...

I think she left the car there, it wasn't out of gas. But, comes right back to why did GA think it was out of gas?

[luvinlife]

I used to think that she might have wanted the car to be stolen too, but if it really was out of gas, how did she think someone could steal it? And, if it wasn't out of gas, then why did GA have to put gas in it before driving home? Or was Casey lying and it wasn't out of gas, GA had already talked to her and got her out of gas story and therefore just thought it was out of gas.


If the gas guage story is true ( who knows) maybe GA just brought the gas because he thought it may be out of gas.

IIRC Amy said something about lending Casey money to have her car towed before, so maybe this wasn't the first time she has run out of gas.

although here if I call CAA they will bring me gas, no reason for a tow.

Who knows I think this story will drive us all a little batty trying to make reasonable guesses. I think we need to go with the most out there theory and that may be the real story. I have never seen or heard anything like this before.

[Shellberry]

Yes, that makes sense. Telling Amy she knows someone who could give her a job. imo
yep she is so sneaky like that, and her friends had no reason not to believe her at the time.

omg, I wonder if she told amy she could get her a job at universal.
ugh

imo/jmo

[Rebel Rouzer]

Is it me or is the board running quite slow tonight?

[rj1212]

And what ALL did Cindy, super mom, take out of that car,

Some blankets? Pillow? A doll? Chloroform bottle? etc etc

Now you're talking...

I think Cindy and Casey both have the "ability" to act in total denial and believe their lies soooo much that they have no real explanation when they are caught lying.

[purplepoints]

The planning her kidnapping/disappearance sounds very logical. Why do you think she hadn't got out of Dodge already before being found on the 15th? (Tony?)moo

[rj1212]

Is it me or is the board running quite slow tonight?

You're right...it's running slow.

I think I'm about to cry "uncle" and call it a night. (Or morning)

Have a good night folks!
:seeya:

[Rebel Rouzer]

The planning her kidnapping/disappearance sounds very logical. Why do you think she hadn't got out of Dodge already before being found on the 15th? (Tony?)moo

I don't know for sure but my theory is she was going to California and possibly was going to talk Tony into going with her. IMO

[Shellberry]

I agree...

I think she left the car there, it wasn't out of gas. But, comes right back to why did GA think it was out of gas?

she or they both said the gas gauge was broken.
so it could say half tank, but actually be empty.


imo/jmo

[Shellberry]

I don't know for sure but my theory is she was going to California and possibly was going to talk Tony into going with her. IMO

I think in her twisted mind, if caylee was out of the picture, tony would want to 'be' with her.
(regardless of how caylee got out of the pic, maybe she would have told tony that she gave caylee to the gp's?)
This is like a terrible lifetime movie, imo.

[Rebel Rouzer]

You're right...it's running slow.

I think I'm about to cry "uncle" and call it a night. (Or morning)

Have a good night folks!
:seeya:


See ya today/tomorrow lol :seeya:

This board is taking forever to load for me each time I click to reply. uhhggg

[rj1212]

The trunk space is listed as being 12 cubic feet with low ceiling.

She had no where else to put this child.

Drugged her, put her in the trunk, partied, and either forgot her or she overdosed her on the chloroform.

Then I think she left her dead in the car for some time.

She is a psychopathic murderer.


Yes...this is what I think happened to her from the very beginning...then when she discovered the awful truth, she went into TOTAL denial and simply acted as though Caylee wasn't dead in the trunk...that is, until the smell became unbearable...

Another sociopathic behavior could've been that she simply forgot about Caylee for a couple of days in the trunk, and when she finally remembered she was initially afraid because of Cindy, but it's possible that for several days she NEVER checked the trunk because she knew that the truth was in there, so she coldly went into denial...until she finally HAD to deal with it.


Scary...sad...yet very likely IMO...

[purplepoints]

Just a quick question, and I hope this isn't a stupid one.LOL
Was there any amount of time (that we know of) that she could have driven way away (possible even out of state) to dispose of the body? Or is that kinda stupid to ask because she really wasn't with someone 24/7?

[Rebel Rouzer]

I think in her twisted mind, if caylee was out of the picture, tony would want to 'be' with her.
(regardless of how caylee got out of the pic, maybe she would have told tony that she gave caylee to the gp's?)
This is like a terrible lifetime movie, imo.
I agree. She reminds me of Susan Smith getting rid of her kids to get and hang onto a man. IMO It is like a sickening LifeTime movie. :shrug:

[EaudeT]

hi EaudeT, dont pay attention to anyone who may say you sound dumb when you write. i dont think you do. people who say that dont care about people IMO. dont let 'em get to ya. just be yourself & keep on posting.Thanks! its nice for posters here to say that, but i know I really don't wrtie so well at all. It makes good sense when I think it but not as good if I go read it back over. As long as people get the drift tho. I'm more of a talker but there isn't anyone here tol talk to. well my sister, but she makes me feel really dumb! She remembers nearly all this about Casey and caylee and I never can remember squat. Your right johnielee about people who care that don't really mind if your post isn't perfect. People are like that in real life too, some of them think you have to be just right or really book smart to matter, but I like kind and nice people the best. People think too much and never feel with their hearts enough anyway for me. Besides, book smarts aren't the only thing in life, you have to have commmon sense too or it doesn't matter how smart you sound to peopple.
It is REALLY late here and I have kids so If I don't go to bed they will wake me up anyway and EARLY too. Thats just how kids are.
Tonight we prayed about Caylee and kids who can't be with their families and prayed that they will know God is with them even if they don't have anyone else to love them. I am lucky for my kids and I like thinking they are lucky too because I love them alot and have always kept them safe and close to me.
I know that even if Caylee is hurt or worse that she at least has God. God and my sister and I just had each other plenty growing up and it was enough to get us by. Maybe God will have a miracle for Caylee and she will be ok anyway. I know it would take a miracle, but God is good at miracles.
HaHA! I just read my quote at the bottom of the page before I posted . My sister was beiing a smart alek when she put it there for me. I had a BF with a shirt that said that and he said I needed a quiet voice within me not a loud one outside of me. I really didn't get it i thought he was just being rude! The She told me that it meant like the voice of God and your consence and that you should listen to it. I read about Gandhi in a book and he made good sense to me to, its a good quote and he was a really good person. And I forget what the BF said because he was treating me dumb and knew better. I like that quote now, but I makes me mad to think of him being smart and rude about it.:rolleyes: Thats what I mean about rude people!
I hope that Casey has a quiet voice talking to her. If she listens to God he will tell her to do the right thing and we can get it all worked out. Not me , we, but the people in the sheriffs office and her family.
Good night everybody! Thanks for being nice and helping me figure somethings out!

[Rebel Rouzer]

Just a quick question, and I hope this isn't a stupid one.LOL
Was there any amount of time (that we know of) that she could have driven way away (possible even out of state) to dispose of the body? Or is that kinda stupid to ask because she really wasn't with someone 24/7?


It's not a stupid question. I just have a different theory based on what i know.

[Shellberry]

That's the million dollar question...where was Caylee all those nights?

Where was Caylee (before she saw great grandfather for the last time)
when Casey was clubbing?

The trunk is a sad, but very real possibility.

ugh, I just cant see her putting her in the trunk every night.
I CAN see caylee falling asleep in her carseat everynight, casey parking in a very dark lot so no one would see her.
maybe putting a blanket over her, again so no one would see.
(if she was out partying)
I think she did it a lot, covered her in her carseat to hide the sleeping baby from people that may walk by the car--and the last time--was the last time
I think caylee ended up in the trunk after casey realized what happened.
maybe she went out to check on her, realized she was not alive and put her in the trunk, went back in the club on her merry way to deal with it later.- of course she couldnt leave the 'fun'-people would wonder why she was leaving so early that night...


imo/jmo

[Rebel Rouzer]

ugh, I just cant see her putting her in the trunk every night.
I CAN see caylee falling asleep in her carseat everynight, casey parking in a very dark lot so no one would see her.
maybe putting a blanket over her, again so no one would see.
(if she was out partying)
I think she did it a lot, covered her in her carseat to hide the sleeping baby from people that may walk by the car--and the last time--was the last time
I think caylee ended up in the trunk after casey realized what happened.
maybe she went out to check on her, realized she was not alive and put her in the trunk, went back in the club on her merry way to deal with it later.- of course she couldnt leave the 'fun'-people would wonder why she was leaving so early that night...


imo/jmo


I don't think it was an accident like that. I might be wrong but I believe she intended on killing her by choice.

[purplepoints]

How do we know that the GP didn't have Caylee while Casey was out partying? (I am pretty sure they didn't after June 15th) but how do we know they didn't before that? I wonder where Casey and Caylee were when she was working at her imaginary job, but do we know that G and C didn't have her when she was out on the town?

[Marianne]

Maybe there is an option that someone can show me...that I can save my downloaded rings. I downloaded various themes for the holidays and want them badly. Thanks.

I cannot believe how many times that Casey uses the word "absolutely" in the police interrogations. It rings as such a false word coming from her.

Plus, the cops were way angry...during that interview. They so thought that she was going to crack. Poor Caylee...hopefully, LE or searches will find her soon. The only person to speak for her is Casey and barf

I think the police did a great job in those tapes. I listened to all of them up until the last one where they ask her to sweasr all info is true and she agrees. The police officer was very patient and respectful. It was obvious how much he cared and by clarifying for Casey the choices and consequences she had he made her feel he cared about her also. He keeps after her and she keeps lying and he keeps confronting her with more frustration and anger mounting at the amount of times she was wasting.

I thought it was really great because I bet this is the first time anyone has seriously confronted her with anger and not irrational anger but with a very skilled forthright approach. I think she loved it. I think it is too bad the police can't keep on interragating her because they could break her down little by little and put some sense in her head.

[Rayosunshine]

Here is a question for all the superb sleuth minds here: Why would Casey have a hand written note (232 Glenwood) in her car. That is :confused:Richardo, Amy and JP's place that she had been visiting, staying over night for many months???

Maybe it had been in her car from the time she first started hanging out with them.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Marianne]

maybe she promised to drop it off for amy at some point
doing a favor for a friend.
or maybe it was an old one that she stole from the house.

:shrug:

imo/jmo

or maybe she wanted to incriminate Amy in some way

[Rayosunshine]

I know, I am really disappointed she did the article with the globe, I thought because she seemed to love Caylee so much in that jail call, I don't know it just doesn't seem right. 20/20, dateline anybody but the globe or inquirer.

I think she was trying to make her look bad. Maybe though the globe edited what she said and it just sounded weird.

they probably had all kinds of things she said, but just took her theory and nothing else.

Some people will do anything for $$$.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Rebel Rouzer]

I think the police did a great job in those tapes. I listened to all of them up until the last one where they ask her to sweasr all info is true and she agrees. The police officer was very patient and respectful. It was obvious how much he cared and by clarifying for Casey the choices and consequences she had he made her feel he cared about her also. He keeps after her and she keeps lying and he keeps confronting her with more frustration and anger mounting at the amount of times she was wasting.

I thought it was really great because I bet this is the first time anyone has seriously confronted her with anger and not irrational anger but with a very skilled forthright approach. I think she loved it. I think it is too bad the police can't keep on interragating her because they could break her down little by little and put some sense in her head.


They were the only ones who got her to admit she was lying about the job and everythign else. I have no doubt if they were able to keep that up and talk to her that way again they could get her to break to a point. I think thats why she won't talk to them now and made up the thing about talking while in jail. She is a brilliant coniving manipulative person. No doubt.

[johnielee333]

Thanks! its nice for posters here to say that, but i know I really don't wrtie so well at all. It makes good sense when I think it but not as good if I go read it back over. As long as people get the drift tho. I'm more of a talker but there isn't anyone here tol talk to. well my sister, but she makes me feel really dumb! She remembers nearly all this about Casey and caylee and I never can remember squat. Your right johnielee about people who care that don't really mind if your post isn't perfect. People are like that in real life too, some of them think you have to be just right or really book smart to matter, but I like kind and nice people the best. People think too much and never feel with their hearts enough anyway for me. Besides, book smarts aren't the only thing in life, you have to have commmon sense too or it doesn't matter how smart you sound to peopple.
It is REALLY late here and I have kids so If I don't go to bed they will wake me up anyway and EARLY too. Thats just how kids are.
Tonight we prayed about Caylee and kids who can't be with their families and prayed that they will know God is with them even if they don't have anyone else to love them. I am lucky for my kids and I like thinking they are lucky too because I love them alot and have always kept them safe and close to me.
I know that even if Caylee is hurt or worse that she at least has God. God and my sister and I just had each other plenty growing up and it was enough to get us by. Maybe God will have a miracle for Caylee and she will be ok anyway. I know it would take a miracle, but God is good at miracles.
HaHA! I just read my quote at the bottom of the page before I posted . My sister was beiing a smart alek when she put it there for me. I had a BF with a shirt that said that and he said I needed a quiet voice within me not a loud one outside of me. I really didn't get it i thought he was just being rude! The She told me that it meant like the voice of God and your consence and that you should listen to it. I read about Gandhi in a book and he made good sense to me to, its a good quote and he was a really good person. And I forget what the BF said because he was treating me dumb and knew better. I like that quote now, but I makes me mad to think of him being smart and rude about it.:rolleyes: Thats what I mean about rude people!
I hope that Casey has a quiet voice talking to her. If she listens to God he will tell her to do the right thing and we can get it all worked out. Not me , we, but the people in the sheriffs office and her family.
Good night everybody! Thanks for being nice and helping me figure somethings out!

goodnite EaudeT. hope you sleep good.

Justice for Caylee ! :rose:

[Rayosunshine]

Oh I think she brought Caylee over to Tony's apartment every time before June 16th. It's just sad Caylee never made it out of the parking lot.

MOO


Unless I've missed something, I think Caylee was brought into the apartment a number of times. That is if the Tony is the Lazarro (sp?) Tony.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[luvinlife]

Thanks! its nice for posters here to say that, but i know I really don't wrtie so well at all. It makes good sense when I think it but not as good if I go read it back over. As long as people get the drift tho. I'm more of a talker but there isn't anyone here tol talk to. well my sister, but she makes me feel really dumb! She remembers nearly all this about Casey and caylee and I never can remember squat. Your right johnielee about people who care that don't really mind if your post isn't perfect. People are like that in real life too, some of them think you have to be just right or really book smart to matter, but I like kind and nice people the best. People think too much and never feel with their hearts enough anyway for me. Besides, book smarts aren't the only thing in life, you have to have commmon sense too or it doesn't matter how smart you sound to peopple.
It is REALLY late here and I have kids so If I don't go to bed they will wake me up anyway and EARLY too. Thats just how kids are.
Tonight we prayed about Caylee and kids who can't be with their families and prayed that they will know God is with them even if they don't have anyone else to love them. I am lucky for my kids and I like thinking they are lucky too because I love them alot and have always kept them safe and close to me.
I know that even if Caylee is hurt or worse that she at least has God. God and my sister and I just had each other plenty growing up and it was enough to get us by. Maybe God will have a miracle for Caylee and she will be ok anyway. I know it would take a miracle, but God is good at miracles.
HaHA! I just read my quote at the bottom of the page before I posted . My sister was beiing a smart alek when she put it there for me. I had a BF with a shirt that said that and he said I needed a quiet voice within me not a loud one outside of me. I really didn't get it i thought he was just being rude! The She told me that it meant like the voice of God and your consence and that you should listen to it. I read about Gandhi in a book and he made good sense to me to, its a good quote and he was a really good person. And I forget what the BF said because he was treating me dumb and knew better. I like that quote now, but I makes me mad to think of him being smart and rude about it.:rolleyes: Thats what I mean about rude people!
I hope that Casey has a quiet voice talking to her. If she listens to God he will tell her to do the right thing and we can get it all worked out. Not me , we, but the people in the sheriffs office and her family.
Good night everybody! Thanks for being nice and helping me figure somethings out!



I really hope you are right about the quiet voice, that may be our only hope that she will talk.

Good night.

[Peach]

The planning her kidnapping/disappearance sounds very logical. Why do you think she hadn't got out of Dodge already before being found on the 15th? (Tony?)moo

Since she was gathering Amy's info, maybe she thought she would live as Amy somewhere, then she got caught up with Tony and "fell in love" and couldn't bear to leave. She's not too smart.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Unless I've missed something, I think Caylee was brought into the apartment a number of times. That is if the Tony is the Lazarro (sp?) Tony.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

From his story and Nates. Caylee was there maybe 3 or 4 times before Casey made her disappear. :shrug:

[johnielee333]

I don't think it was an accident like that. I might be wrong but I believe she intended on killing her by choice.

yep me too.

[Oregongal]

If she wasn't using online dating services before... she probably is now.

I know, I'm behind again, had to make run to the mini mart....
She could be doing the chat room thing. I was on a chat for CTV awhile ago and surprise, surprise, I had guys trying to hook up with me.
Even at my age (not that old)but find I'm a bit naive about the whole online thing and when I thought I was there to chat about crime cases, found there are those out there for 'other things'.
My DD teases me about these things I learn about the 'online' life.
I'm sure Casey at her age, not much younger than my DD, is fully aware of all kinds of places online she can 'hook up' without ever leaving her room.
Ok, going back to :read: really fast to catch up with you all.
:)

[Shellberry]

I don't think it was an accident like that. I might be wrong but I believe she intended on killing her by choice.

that is what is so crazy about this case.
my opinion on what really happened to caylee, changes a lot.
not necessarily that my theory changes, but which theory I think most of that day or week, or whatever (usually until something new comes out)
Im going to go to bed tonight, like I do a lot lately, and rehash everything in my head.
as I said last night, I've come up with a few things, and they all sound good/plausible, imo.

I think I have equal thoughts/theory's on an accidental death and on a planned death.
and if the gp's were involved in any way (cover up or not) or if they werent involved.
ugh.
look at what she is doing to us.
exactly what she set out to do I think, drive us nuts.

imo/jmo

[Peach]

yep me too.

Me three:mad:

[Shellberry]

or maybe she wanted to incriminate Amy in some way

for what reason though?




imo/jmo

[Marianne]

But HOW DID CASEY KNOW that a Zenaida Gonzalez was looking at the apartments at exactly the same time as she claimed she dropped off Caylee. She was trying to pin it on an unsuspecting dupe.


It is incredible. I have no idea. Ask the magic genie. Too bizarre to be coincidence.

She had nothing else to with her time was it possible she went into the rental office and glanced through the books.? But how many times in a million would such a name appear?

What is so maddening is that all the information police and others are desperately trying to get from her she acts as if it is totally unimportant...as though it doesnt exist. and replies with the same old lies...

[purplepoints]

Since she was gathering Amy's info, maybe she thought she would live as Amy somewhere, then she got caught up with Tony and "fell in love" and couldn't bear to leave. She's not too smart.


Interesting! I had thought that she probably didn't want to leave Tony, but hadn't thought about her literally stealing Amy's identity and living as Amy.

[Rayosunshine]

maybe she promised to drop it off for amy at some point
doing a favor for a friend.
or maybe it was an old one that she stole from the house.

:shrug:

imo/jmo

Maybe Amy left it in Casey's car when Casey gave her a ride after Amy wrecked her earlier car. (the wrecked car was mentioned to LE by Amy during her interview). Who knows?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Peach]

Interesting! I had thought that she probably didn't want to leave Tony, but hadn't thought about her literally stealing Amy's identity and living as Amy.

In some ways, I too believe it was all premeditated and she intended on stealing Amy's identity and taking off.


NG is reairing here, and if I hear NG say Caylee's name one more time, (it is so annoying the way she say it) I am going to scream.:flamemad:

[Rebel Rouzer]

that is what is so crazy about this case.
my opinion on what really happened to caylee, changes a lot.
not necessarily that my theory changes, but which theory I think most of that day or week, or whatever (usually until something new comes out)
Im going to go to bed tonight, like I do a lot lately, and rehash everything in my head.
as I said last night, I've come up with a few things, and they all sound good/plausible, imo.

I think I have equal thoughts/theory's on an accidental death and on a planned death.
and if the gp's were involved in any way (cover up or not) or if they werent involved.
ugh.
look at what she is doing to us.
exactly what she set out to do I think, drive us nuts.

imo/jmo


Night Shellberry. I understand the confusuion and the what if theories. I think most of us have those because we don't know for fact what casey did to Caylee. It's heartbreaking and mind boggling.
Night night.

[Shellberry]

Maybe Amy left it in Casey's car when Casey gave her a ride after Amy wrecked her earlier car. (the wrecked car was mentioned to LE by Amy during her interview). Who knows?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

could be-or maybe amy printed it off of caseys computer..therefore casey would have a copy of it.
and she could print it herself.

imo/jmo

[luvinlife]

The planning her kidnapping/disappearance sounds very logical. Why do you think she hadn't got out of Dodge already before being found on the 15th? (Tony?)moo



If the car had been stolen (if that was her plan) her Mom wouldn't have found Amy's number and wouldn't have known where she was. It sounds like her old friends didn't really know her new friends so she could have just stayed for as long as she wanted and her mother wouldn't have known.:shrug:

I think she wanted the car stolen, but I think she may have just claimed that Caylee was in the car when it was stolen(car jacking).

I don't think she really thought anything through that well, she just thought of a story and thought everyone would believe her. She didn't plan for all the questions to have answers that made sense to normal people.imo

[Marianne]

I was reading in the Links thread a link to Jesse Grund's Father. He is the father of the police officer who got fired for lying about dating Casey. The father was angry about all the hate mail and threats their family was getting and he claimed little Caylee was over at their home "almost every day" for almost a year and that Caylee was one year old.

Sorry i had the guys mixed up. But found it interesting to note where the 'nanny' was for at least one year of Caylee's life.

[barskin&co.]

In some ways, I too believe it was all premeditated and she intended on stealing Amy's identity and taking off.


NG is reairing here, and if I hear NG say Caylee's name one more time, (it is so annoying the way she say it) I am going to scream.:flamemad:


"Police desperately looking for a beautiful 3 year old girl, Cahlee."

[johnielee333]

In some ways, I too believe it was all premeditated and she intended on stealing Amy's identity and taking off.


NG is reairing here, and if I hear NG say Caylee's name one more time, (it is so annoying the way she say it) I am going to scream.:flamemad:

i also hate the way NG says her name. i'm always saying " its Caylee not Calie " to the TV when NG is on..

[Shellberry]

Night Shellberry. I understand the confusuion and the what if theories. I think most of us have those because we don't know for fact what casey did to Caylee. It's heartbreaking and mind boggling.
Night night.

oh, thanks, lol
Im not going to bed yet, I meant to post "when I go to bed tonight"...

Im good for at least another hour-half hour at least.


it is heartbreaking.
and when the 'truth' finally comes out--it still isnt going to be the truth.
I dont think we will ever know, truly, what happened.


imo/jmo

[Peach]

"Police desperately looking for a beautiful 3 year old girl, Cahlee."

Drives me insane...

It is CAYLEEEE...lol Alost like she is saying Keely:flamemad:

[luvinlife]

that is what is so crazy about this case.
my opinion on what really happened to caylee, changes a lot.
not necessarily that my theory changes, but which theory I think most of that day or week, or whatever (usually until something new comes out)
Im going to go to bed tonight, like I do a lot lately, and rehash everything in my head.
as I said last night, I've come up with a few things, and they all sound good/plausible, imo.

I think I have equal thoughts/theory's on an accidental death and on a planned death.
and if the gp's were involved in any way (cover up or not) or if they werent involved.
ugh.
look at what she is doing to us.
exactly what she set out to do I think, drive us nuts.

imo/jmo



I know what you mean you think of a theory that sounds reasonable, and then there is some other piece that just doesn't fit or make sense.

I go through the same thoughts. I think if she reads these or any other boards she is loving this, we are all going crazy trying to figure her out.

I just have to keep reminding myself she isn't normal and nothing she did will be normal.

[Shellberry]

Since she was gathering Amy's info, maybe she thought she would live as Amy somewhere, then she got caught up with Tony and "fell in love" and couldn't bear to leave. She's not too smart.

I still think casey had plans to go to PR.
amy was there, she could have been gathering her stuff up to live as her there.
fake a kidnapping for her and caylee, leave the car at amscott...
someone would find caylees body eventually, & assume that casey was dead as well.
and maybe stop looking?
:shrug::shrug:

imo/jmo

[Rebel Rouzer]

oh, thanks, lol
Im not going to bed yet, I meant to post "when I go to bed tonight"...

Im good for at least another hour-half hour at least.


it is heartbreaking.
and when the 'truth' finally comes out--it still isnt going to be the truth.
I dont think we will ever know, truly, what happened.


imo/jmo


Oh I thought you were going to bed now. I need coffee orsomething. LOL

i got back up because i couldn't sleep and now I hear my son and his friends banging pool balls upstairs. He's lucky it's his birthday night or else I'd be yappin at him to get to bed. lol

Sorry for going off topic for just a few seconds. I am really confused about the nglect charges and the double jeopardy thing for harsher charges pertaining to the lesser charges and all that. Maybe they are stacking all the other charges then going to drop the neglect charges before charging her with murder?
Unperson might be able to help with this area.????

[Marianne]

In some ways, I too believe it was all premeditated and she intended on stealing Amy's identity and taking off.


NG is reairing here, and if I hear NG say Caylee's name one more time, (it is so annoying the way she say it) I am going to scream.:flamemad:

It's a good hunch as after all Casey could dominate Amy easily and after the sleepwalking bit she was promising Amy a share in her parents house...and Amy still didnt want to hurt her 'friend's' feelings even after she knew Casey had ripped her off a grand.

Casey will have lots of friends in prison doing her beck and call.

[Peach]

I still think casey had plans to go to PR.
amy was there, she could have been gathering her stuff up to live as her there.
fake a kidnapping for her and caylee, leave the car at amscott...
someone would find caylees body eventually, & assume that casey was dead as well.
and maybe stop looking?
:shrug::shrug:

imo/jmo

I definatley think she could have been on her way there and something got foiled somehow. Seems like EVERYONE in FLA has ties to PR I swear!! Every MS I looked at there were people from PR on there. I def think she had ties there. No proof or links but a feeling.

[Shellberry]

I know what you mean you think of a theory that sounds reasonable, and then there is some other piece that just doesn't fit or make sense.

I go through the same thoughts. I think if she reads these or any other boards she is loving this, we are all going crazy trying to figure her out.

I just have to keep reminding myself she isn't normal and nothing she did will be normal.


everytime I think something, something else comes out, or a way one of the gp's was acting at a time comes back to me. blows my original thought(s) out of the water then.
man, Im going nuts.

& yep, she isnt normal.
I wonder if she reads here, I did a search about flea remedies in our garage and that is how I came across this board, and here I am almost 2 months later, with 1300 posts--all but like 35 of which are in the caylee forum.




imo/jmo

[Peach]

It's a good hunch as after all Casey could dominate Amy easily and after the sleepwalking bit she was promising Amy a share in her parents house...and Amy still didnt want to hurt her 'friend's' feelings even after she knew Casey had ripped her off a grand.

Casey will have lots of friends in prison doing her beck and call.

Makes me never want to have any NEW friends lol:D

[Shellberry]

I definatley think she could have been on her way there and something got foiled somehow. Seems like EVERYONE in FLA has ties to PR I swear!! Every MS I looked at there were people from PR on there. I def think she had ties there. No proof or links but a feeling.

no, I hear you, I notice that same thing.
then it makes me wonder, ok--what is the tie to PR.
is there something there you can do legally that you cant do here?
that myspace comment she had on is what got me though
(it was either on myspace or facebook)
about PR taking all her friends, ahhhhh, I will see you all soon.

really makes me wonder.
maybe she got rid of caylee, and was getting rid of herself as well.
(going to PR)


imo/jmo

[Rayosunshine]

The pool is above ground, with a liner, right?

The only pool I have ever take care of was in ground and did not have a liner. It was made of concrete or whatever they make them of - can't remember the name of the stuff. We used muriatic acid (sp?) in the pool and chlorine and whatever else it needed - actually the pool guy did this.

Would a person use muriatic acid in an above ground pool?

Does anyone know?

I have a theory.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Rebel Rouzer]

Makes me never want to have any NEW friends lol:D

It does make ya skitish and wonder about making new friends huh?

[Oregongal]

TYour one of the really nicest ones here. I like to read your posts because you try to stay nice and be kind to everyone even peopple that make dumb mistakes and get things wrong or don't agree with you. Thank you for being nice to me to. I know I sound dumb when I write! everyone tells me so and I get even worse if I'm really tired. Someday I will get online when I'm wide awake and you'll think I'm a einstein compared to late at night. My kids wear me out alot!
Now I know people say stay on topic so I'm going to go read and just ask questions and stuff.
Thanks again!:seeya:

Thank YOU! That makes me feel good.
And like I said before, you don't sound dumb to me. And I feel bad that you think you are. Don't listen to anyone who tells you you are.
As you said you are an Einstein when you are wide awake, I totally believe that. I'm a night owl, but am also tired and that's when you will see loooonnnnggg posts from me. It tends to be quiet at this time of night and I tend to have diarreah of the mouth. :eek:
Feel free to pm me whenever you feel bad about yourself. My gift is to encourage and care about everyone who deserves it.

You won't find me encouraging and caring for Casey, I think she killed her baby. That's where I draw my line. That's where I leave it up to LE and God to take care of her.
Altho I feel in my heart that Caylee is dead, I still pray for her. But, I also pray that her lil body will be found and justice will begin to happen for her. I pray each day that today will be the day when that will begin.
Continue to ask questions and read here. That's what this board is about, questions, opinions, ideas and theories.
Again, anything o/t, please feel free to pm me.

[Rayosunshine]

Has anyone here ever hunted alligators?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Peach]

It does make ya skitish and wonder about making new friends huh?

Makes me think about everything twice. Makes me think how lucky I am to be looking at my 4 yr old, sleeping SO peacefully on the floor in front of me. He had a "bad Dweeem." and slipped out of bed.

Poor Caylee.

[luvinlife]

Oh I thought you were going to bed now. I need coffee orsomething. LOL

i got back up because i couldn't sleep and now I hear my son and his friends banging pool balls upstairs. He's lucky it's his birthday night or else I'd be yappin at him to get to bed. lol

Sorry for going off topic for just a few seconds. I am really confused about the nglect charges and the double jeopardy thing for harsher charges pertaining to the lesser charges and all that. Maybe they are stacking all the other charges then going to drop the neglect charges before charging her with murder?
Unperson might be able to help with this area.????


I am not 100% sure, but I think the risk is this:

If they go to trial on the child neglect charge and they then find Caylee's body and find that the cause of death was caused by her negligence they couldn't then charge her with murder.

The TH's on NG couldn't agree on this though, so it may or may not be the case.

I hope this is helpful or what you where wanting to know.

[Peach]

Has anyone here ever hunted alligators?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


Nooooo...I like my life :D

[farrahrani]

It's a good hunch as after all Casey could dominate Amy easily and after the sleepwalking bit she was promising Amy a share in her parents house...and Amy still didnt want to hurt her 'friend's' feelings even after she knew Casey had ripped her off a grand.

Casey will have lots of friends in prison doing her beck and call.

I truly doubt that last sentence. If she ends up in general population which is unlikely, these will all be hardened badasses that will have themselves a new, pretty, clean, middle class girlfriend by the end of the day xp.

If she ends up in seclusion or whatever they call it, the guards are all used to all kinds of bs, and won't get taken in by her. Even Jose, now that she has served her purpose and gotten him notoriety in the public eye for his attorney 'skils' (i use the term VERY loosely) will abandon her. JMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

Has anyone here ever hunted alligators?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

I've petted them and fed them never hunted them. :shrug: Why?

[Oregongal]

I see your imagination is working just fine. :)

I'm sure Casey will have plenty of admirers in prison.

I'm also sure she'll have plenty of people who don't admire her in prison.

IMO.

I'm betting there will be more don't admire her.
hammer

[Peach]

The pool is above ground, with a liner, right?

The only pool I have ever take care of was in ground and did not have a liner. It was made of concrete or whatever they make them of - can't remember the name of the stuff. We used muriatic acid (sp?) in the pool and chlorine and whatever else it needed - actually the pool guy did this.

Would a person use muriatic acid in an above ground pool?

Does anyone know?

I have a theory.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Not sure. I'll google

[Marianne]

Yes...this is what I think happened to her from the very beginning...then when she discovered the awful truth, she went into TOTAL denial and simply acted as though Caylee wasn't dead in the trunk...that is, until the smell became unbearable...

Another sociopathic behavior could've been that she simply forgot about Caylee for a couple of days in the trunk, and when she finally remembered she was initially afraid because of Cindy, but it's possible that for several days she NEVER checked the trunk because she knew that the truth was in there, so she coldly went into denial...until she finally HAD to deal with it.


Scary...sad...yet very likely IMO...

It could be possible that Casey preplanned this buying the chloroform on-line originally to subdue or kill her daughter and then when she knew she was dead used it to clean out the car.

she also was dumb enough to leave her jeans in the car that had the smell of decomp on them.

See she thinks she can get away with murder because in her home with her parents she always can

[Rebel Rouzer]

I am not 100% sure, but I think the risk is this:

If they go to trial on the child neglect charge and they then find Caylee's body and find that the cause of death was caused by her negligence they couldn't then charge her with murder.

The TH's on NG couldn't agree on this though, so it may or may not be the case.

I hope this is helpful or what you where wanting to know.


I know they couldn't agree that is why the whole thing has confused me. All I want is for her to pay for what she did to Caylee. These other charges mean nothing to me IMO. I want justce and dignity for Caylee.BUT I would like to understand the legal aspects of the charges and Florida law on jeopardy etc.

[Shellberry]

The pool is above ground, with a liner, right?

The only pool I have ever take care of was in ground and did not have a liner. It was made of concrete or whatever they make them of - can't remember the name of the stuff. We used muriatic acid (sp?) in the pool and chlorine and whatever else it needed - actually the pool guy did this.

Would a person use muriatic acid in an above ground pool?

Does anyone know?

I have a theory.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom
Im pretty sure you can-my friends mom used to pool shock with it, then use it to winterize the pool somehow at the end of the season.

I know that is familiar to me, I used to live right next door to my best friends mom and we practically shared a backyard.
at the beginning and end of the season she used a bunch of stuff in her pool to get it ready again.

I think she got it at lowes or home depot?
I always saw containers with the name on it & wondered what she was cooking up in her garage, lol


imo/jmo

[luvinlife]

I've petted them and fed them never hunted them. :shrug: Why?



Here is the NG transcript on double jeopardy

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/15/ng.01.html

[farrahrani]

Personally, I have never believed that she ran out of gas.

Nope.

I think its a set up so we think thats why she abandoned the car when the TRUTH is the car stunk so bad from decomposition when she had Caylee for X amount of time, dead in the trunk, that she HAD to abandon it.


I have always had two opinions about this.
One, that she'd hope the car would be stolen by leaving a purse in the front seat- but it was never stolen, either because of fate, or because maybe anyone who opened it would smell the smell and go, 'hell no I ain't driving this funky car' and leave it. Or they'd check the empty purse, and leave anyway.

Two, that she would be able to CLAIM it was stolen later, as part of the kidnapper alibi, and say they were driving it and she can't account for the decomp smell cause it happened after they ''stole'' it.

My guess is she was never taking into account the towing notice sent to Cindy and George, and the camera's mounted in the Amscott parking lot (if they even caught footage of that part of the lot at the appropriate times)
JMO

[Oregongal]

Especially one carrying beer and with a salty glint in his eye.

:lol:!!!
Geez, have to add more characters....
OMG, then I get the used to many images.
WTH?

Maybe this will finally get thru.
This new format is weird to me. In pm's I get 'you've used too many characters', now on posts I get 'you've not used enough characters'.
:confused:

[luvinlife]

I know they couldn't agree that is why the whole thing has confused me. All I want is for her to pay for what she did to Caylee. These other charges mean nothing to me IMO. I want justce and dignity for Caylee.BUT I would like to understand the legal aspects of the charges and Florida law on jeopardy etc.



I totally agree, we need our own Florida lawyer to help us. Are any of our fellow lawyer posters from Florida??

[farrahrani]

I'm sorry I'm real tired and must have missed the globe article link, forgive me. Can someone post it here, please?

[Marianne]

I truly doubt that last sentence. If she ends up in general population which is unlikely, these will all be hardened badasses that will have themselves a new, pretty, clean, middle class girlfriend by the end of the day xp.

If she ends up in seclusion or whatever they call it, the guards are all used to all kinds of bs, and won't get taken in by her. Even Jose, now that she has served her purpose and gotten him notoriety in the public eye for his attorney 'skils' (i use the term VERY loosely) will abandon her. JMO

But in her last stay in jail all the women were cheering her on telling her to stand strong and hold her head up high.

Oh they will love her. the guards said she was a model innmate. She is pretty, loves to dance she will do well there. ZOk a few will be on to her. i doubt she will get anything past the guards as you say.

Why should they not put her in general population..they will put her in with the felons. No matter how well she does there (and i am being a bit facetious) prison is a miserable place and she won't be happy no not at all.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I totally agree, we need our own Florida lawyer to help us. Are any of our fellow lawyer posters from Florida??


I'm glad you asked that question. the 3 lawyers i know on here are all from other states. California. Georgia and I forget the other one but I don't remember any from Florida. :shrug:

[Shellberry]

I read the globe article and could have sworn this little baby had a black eye -- or very dark circles under the eye from lack of sleep/malnutrition. I don't think it was a bad camera shot.

:mad:

oh man, did you see it in the store or online?
I just clicked out of my online version.
I wasnt looking at the pics really online, just trying to read.


imo/jmo/etc

[johnielee333]

But in her last stay in jail all the women were cheering her on telling her to stand strong and hold her head up high.

Oh they will love her. the guards said she was a model innmate. She is pretty, loves to dance she will do well there. ZOk a few will be on to her. i doubt she will get anything past the guards as you say.

Why should they not put her in general population..they will put her in with the felons. No matter how well she does there (and i am being a bit facetious) prison is a miserable place and she won't be happy no not at all.

please believe me when i tell you they will not like casey at all in prison. been there,done that. sure, she will get a couple of women to hang with her but most of the women will not want to be around her at all. she will end up getting beat up a few times. also tho, she is cute so she will have a couple of butch girls that will fight over her.

[Shellberry]

But in her last stay in jail all the women were cheering her on telling her to stand strong and hold her head up high.

Oh they will love her. the guards said she was a model innmate. She is pretty, loves to dance she will do well there. ZOk a few will be on to her. i doubt she will get anything past the guards as you say.

Why should they not put her in general population..they will put her in with the felons. No matter how well she does there (and i am being a bit facetious) prison is a miserable place and she won't be happy no not at all.

she sure wont be happy, not with this second taste of freedom she has gotten being out again.
in her own cozy bed, own house, good meals, time on the internet....


imo/jmo

[Rayosunshine]

This acid will dissolve a body.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[mosey2]

I used to think that she might have wanted the car to be stolen too, but if it really was out of gas, how did she think someone could steal it? And, if it wasn't out of gas, then why did GA have to put gas in it before driving home? Or was Casey lying and it wasn't out of gas, GA had already talked to her and got her out of gas story and therefore just thought it was out of gas.
I dont think it was out of gas at all. She told LE it was and thats why it was at amscot. But remember when she said the gauge must be broken because it was reading 1/2 full. She was just covering her @$$, because at that point she realized LE would check EVERYTHING.
MOO

[luvinlife]

I'm sorry I'm real tired and must have missed the globe article link, forgive me. Can someone post it here, please?



Here is the link to WS, the link the article is at won't work here. So I hope this works for you, it is hard to see.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2673149&postcount=273

[mosey2]

I read the globe article and could have sworn this little baby had a black eye -- or very dark circles under the eye from lack of sleep/malnutrition. I don't think it was a bad camera shot.

:mad:
I thought the same thing when I saw the pic of Caylee in the arms of her Great-Grandfather. Later I realized that the child could have been slowly being poisoned to death with chloroform. Lack of oxygen...

MOO

[Rebel Rouzer]

This acid will dissolve a body.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

I've used that before but not for that purpose. Wouldn't that show up on the tests they ran in the trunk?

[Rayosunshine]

I read the globe article and could have sworn this little baby had a black eye -- or very dark circles under the eye from lack of sleep/malnutrition. I don't think it was a bad camera shot.

:mad:

Bought a copy of the Globe today. It was dated 9/15. Had the interview with Ricardo. Guess the new one will be out next week.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[luvinlife]

This acid will dissolve a body.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

How much would you need?
Would it dissolve just the tissue or bone as well?


If she used this there would possibly be a paper trail, unless they would have enough in the family home??? It would be noticed I hope if it were missing.

[Rayosunshine]

I've used that before but not for that purpose. Wouldn't that show up on the tests they ran in the trunk?

Not if it was used after it was in the trunk.

I told my husband to place an alligator head in a solution of muriatic acid to clean the flesh off. He caught the gator on a hunting trip and wanted to put the skull in his office. Well, about a week later when he checked on his prized alligator head, it had liquified.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Shellberry]

I am not 100% sure, but I think the risk is this:

If they go to trial on the child neglect charge and they then find Caylee's body and find that the cause of death was caused by her negligence they couldn't then charge her with murder.

The TH's on NG couldn't agree on this though, so it may or may not be the case.

I hope this is helpful or what you where wanting to know.
this is in regards to double jeopardy right?

from what I know-you cant be charged for the same crime 2x-so if she was charged for neglect, stealing amys money, or whatever...she couldnt be charged again
BUT Im pretty sure as long as they dont charge her with murder/homocide now & caylees body turns up--they can charge her with that as long as it is ruled murder/homocide & not something that she was already charged with. kwim?
as long as homocide isnt anywhere in what she gets charged with before a body is found-when they find the body and homocide is mentioned, she will/can be charged for that
(If they have enough evidence of course)

I saw the double jeopardy movie ages ago with ashley judd, it was good.


imo/jmo

[Rayosunshine]

How much would you need?
Would it dissolve just the tissue or bone as well?


If she used this there would possibly be a paper trail, unless they would have enough in the family home??? It would be noticed I hope if it were missing.

Totally dissolved.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Oregongal]

Just a quick question, and I hope this isn't a stupid one.LOL
Was there any amount of time (that we know of) that she could have driven way away (possible even out of state) to dispose of the body? Or is that kinda stupid to ask because she really wasn't with someone 24/7?

Not a stupid question at all, there is that blank June 18, iirc, that LE hasn't released about any cell pings. I've wondered the same myself.
They seem to have the 16th and 17th out there, yet nothing that I remember seeing about the 18th.
I also don't remember anything about anyone seeing her on the 18th or 19th. My memory of the timeline tho is shaky tho. I'm just going right now on it and would have to go look somewhere...maybe on the links thread...to see if I'm remembering right. If I'm wrong I don't mind if anyone corrects me, in fact would appreciate it.
But, bottom line, I seem to remember and thinking there is a blank time. Maybe enough time for her to just as you say...drive far enough, maybe out of state to dispose of Caylee.
:shrug:
But, I also have a feeling that she didn't go far. She made that comment to I think Lee in the jail convo that she had the feeling she was close. To me that is a clue and an indication that she wouldn't have left her comfort zone.
Again :shrug:

[Rebel Rouzer]

I dont think it was out of gas at all. She told LE it was and thats why it was at amscot. But remember when she said the gauge must be broken because it was reading 1/2 full. She was just covering her @$$, because at that point she realized LE would check EVERYTHING.
MOO


The thing I don't understand is GA said it read empty and he put gas in it when he picked the car up? I think she lied about the gas guage and sensor but she was truthful about it being out of gas.

I think she was afraid they would thing she was dumb for letting it run out of gas so she lied about the guage. IMO I don't really know.

[Shellberry]

This acid will dissolve a body.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

I read certain pool chemicals mixed with another ing. will make chloroform...
I think I see where you are going with this...

hmmm, interesting, when I saw the mix of it, I was thinking the thing most people have on hand, I totally disregarded the pool chemicals and the pool they have!


imo/jmo

[Rayosunshine]

Mr. Haig used muriatic acid to dissolve the victims he murdered. Gonna try to get info on him. Think he was from England.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

I do hope Caylee is alive and well.

[luvinlife]

Not if it was used after it was in the trunk.

I told my husband to place an alligator head in a solution of muriatic acid to clean the flesh off. He caught the gator on a hunting trip and wanted to put the skull in his office. Well, about a week later when he checked on his prized alligator head, it had liquified.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


Okay grosssssss


I really hope that is not what happened.

I just think that would be too risky, she would need to know that would happen for one, and where would she do this, and how long it would take and what if someone found her before it had a chance to do the job??

[Rayosunshine]

I read certain pool chemicals mixed with another ing. will make chloroform...
I think I see where you are going with this...

hmmm, interesting, when I saw the mix of it, I was thinking the thing most people have on hand, I totally disregarded the pool chemicals and the pool they have!


imo/jmo

I brought this up because I had thought about the alligator skull my husband tried to save years ago, and remembered he used the acid we kept for our pool.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Shellberry]

Here is the link to WS, the link the article is at won't work here. So I hope this works for you, it is hard to see.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2673149&postcount=273

is that the pic that is being referred to as caylee with the black eyes?
the one with casey in the green shirt?
I swear that posted somewhere on here as a new pic of her in the last couple days.
I think that is just a bad pic in the mag-I dont remember the original looking like that (caylee's eyes)

imo/jmo

[Rayosunshine]

Okay grosssssss


I really hope that is not what happened.

I just think that would be too risky, she would need to know that would happen for one, and where would she do this, and how long it would take and what if someone found her before it had a chance to do the job??

From article I read, it takes 24 - 48 hours.

Yes, I agree it is gross. And I really don't want to believe this is what happened. I want Caylee to be alive and well.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[Shellberry]

I brought this up because I had thought about the alligator skull my husband tried to save years ago, and remembered he used the acid we kept for our pool.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

ok, but still interesting.
I think they would have it on hand.
or something similar to shock the pool for winter and close it up.
imo/jmo

[Rebel Rouzer]

this is in regards to double jeopardy right?

from what I know-you cant be charged for the same crime 2x-so if she was charged for neglect, stealing amys money, or whatever...she couldnt be charged again
BUT Im pretty sure as long as they dont charge her with murder/homocide now & caylees body turns up--they can charge her with that as long as it is ruled murder/homocide & not something that she was already charged with. kwim?
as long as homocide isnt anywhere in what she gets charged with before a body is found-when they find the body and homocide is mentioned, she will/can be charged for that
(If they have enough evidence of course)

I saw the double jeopardy movie ages ago with ashley judd, it was good.


imo/jmo

BUT Florida has some messed up law about a lesser crime being charged in connection to a major offense crime. It's confusing IMO

[Shellberry]

I've used that before but not for that purpose. Wouldn't that show up on the tests they ran in the trunk?

certain pool chemicals mixed with something else produce chloroform.

I think that link is still in the links thread
imo/jmo

[luvinlife]

is that the pic that is being referred to as caylee with the black eyes?
the one with casey in the green shirt?
I swear that posted somewhere on here as a new pic of her in the last couple days.
I think that is just a bad pic in the mag-I dont remember the original looking like that (caylee's eyes)

imo/jmo


It's the pic with a link to the scanned article from the globe.

I don't recall seeing the pic before, but I believe it is a very bad pic, Caylee does look like she has a black eye. They want to use what they can to make it look as bad as possible. Come on Casey doesn't look bad enough, give me a break, the truth is stranger than fiction has never meant more than it does in this case. imo


eta my kids always have dark circles under their eyes (especially when tired) and look worse in pics

[mosey2]

Not a stupid question at all, there is that blank June 18, iirc, that LE hasn't released about any cell pings. I've wondered the same myself.
They seem to have the 16th and 17th out there, yet nothing that I remember seeing about the 18th.
I also don't remember anything about anyone seeing her on the 18th or 19th. My memory of the timeline tho is shaky tho. I'm just going right now on it and would have to go look somewhere...maybe on the links thread...to see if I'm remembering right. If I'm wrong I don't mind if anyone corrects me, in fact would appreciate it.
But, bottom line, I seem to remember and thinking there is a blank time. Maybe enough time for her to just as you say...drive far enough, maybe out of state to dispose of Caylee.
:shrug:
But, I also have a feeling that she didn't go far. She made that comment to I think Lee in the jail convo that she had the feeling she was close. To me that is a clue and an indication that she wouldn't have left her comfort zone.
Again :shrug:
June 18 Wed – Another spike in calls to her parents, six in 45 minutes during the early part of the afternoon. According to the leaked records, three calls were made to her parent's home phone, two to her mom's cell phone and one to her dad's cell phone, all between 12:33pm and 1:11pm.

[Shellberry]

Okay grosssssss


I really hope that is not what happened.

I just think that would be too risky, she would need to know that would happen for one, and where would she do this, and how long it would take and what if someone found her before it had a chance to do the job??

if this is the case, could be casey thought she hid her well enough no one would find her until it was indeed done.
(the process)
she was looking chloroform up, maybe she saw the ing. needed to make it at home & just read a little deeper on the stuff they had out in the shed? seeing if one of them would work to use in a chloroform mix?
man, who knows though

imo/jmo

[luvinlife]

June 18 Wed – Another spike in calls to her parents, six in 45 minutes during the early part of the afternoon. According to the leaked records, three calls were made to her parent's home phone, two to her mom's cell phone and one to her dad's cell phone, all between 12:33pm and 1:11pm.



My guess is to make sure they were not at home. Cindy worked days and it seemed that George worked afternoons/eves.

[mosey2]

The thing I don't understand is GA said it read empty and he put gas in it when he picked the car up? I think she lied about the gas guage and sensor but she was truthful about it being out of gas.

I think she was afraid they would thing she was dumb for letting it run out of gas so she lied about the guage. IMO I don't really know.
I know! It's so difficult to wrap your mind around a crazy persons reasoning. Maybe if we keep trying, we'll go nuts, then we'll totally understand. bbbdbbdbdbbbd <---drumming lower lip

[Oregongal]

i also hate the way NG says her name. i'm always saying " its Caylee not Calie " to the TV when NG is on..

NG defender here...it's just her accent. I lived with my ex for years hearing him say wershcloth instead of washcloth. Drove me crazy, but did understand he just couldn't say it my way...the proper way hehe.
:D

[Rayosunshine]

Didn't Jeffrey Dahmer try the same thing (I remember LE carrying barrells out of his house).

At this time I also questioned DAHMER, regarding the numerous boxes of Soilex, which is a cleansing powder that was found in his apartment. To this he stated that he used the Soilex, along with a water solution to boil the heads which he had decapitated from his victims. He stated the Soilex cou1d effectively boil off the skin and hair from the skulls, in about an hours time. He also stated one of the torsos that he had taken from a victim, he had also boiled in a large kettel, which he kept in the Soilex.

Now I'm not sure what Soilex is -- but you won't catch me buying the stuff.

:chicken:

Good God. I don't even want to go there. Was it ever known what his problem was?

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[mosey2]

Not if it was used after it was in the trunk.

I told my husband to place an alligator head in a solution of muriatic acid to clean the flesh off. He caught the gator on a hunting trip and wanted to put the skull in his office. Well, about a week later when he checked on his prized alligator head, it had liquified.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom
Oh Oh Oh!!!barf

[luvinlife]

Didn't Jeffrey Dahmer try the same thing (I remember LE carrying barrells out of his house).

At this time I also questioned DAHMER, regarding the numerous boxes of Soilex, which is a cleansing powder that was found in his apartment. To this he stated that he used the Soilex, along with a water solution to boil the heads which he had decapitated from his victims. He stated the Soilex cou1d effectively boil off the skin and hair from the skulls, in about an hours time. He also stated one of the torsos that he had taken from a victim, he had also boiled in a large kettel, which he kept in the Soilex.

Now I'm not sure what Soilex is -- but you won't catch me buying the stuff.

:chicken:


Where do these sick twisted people come up with this stuff?? It is so disturbing to the normal mind. uuuuuuuugggggggggggg

[Shellberry]

BUT Florida has some messed up law about a lesser crime being charged in connection to a major offense crime. It's confusing IMO

I only moved down here in May, I have no clue--you can try the myflorida.com site and see if the 'legal' info is on there--it may very well be. I know I was reading laws for down here for a thread a few days ago.


imo/jmo

[luvinlife]

NG defender here...it's just her accent. I lived with my ex for years hearing him say wershcloth instead of washcloth. Drove me crazy, but did understand he just couldn't say it my way...the proper way hehe.
:D

:lol:


Thank you , you have given me a reason to laugh a couple of times this evening. Posting by yourself, etc.


I am getting very impatient waiting for Casey to be put back in jail and even more impatient for someone, anyone to find Caylee.

[Shellberry]

NG defender here...it's just her accent. I lived with my ex for years hearing him say wershcloth instead of washcloth. Drove me crazy, but did understand he just couldn't say it my way...the proper way hehe.
:D

haha-I hear ya, my other half is from MA, Im from PA, man he talks funny LOL (get outta heah)

ok guys, heading out for tonight--hopefully maybe we'll hear something tomorrow, it is Sunday though, usually a quiet days on the news homefront.

:seeya:

:rose:caylee & every baby

[Rebel Rouzer]

I know! It's so difficult to wrap your mind around a crazy persons reasoning. Maybe if we keep trying, we'll go nuts, then we'll totally understand. bbbdbbdbdbbbd <---drumming lower lip

:lol: that's why we can't figure Casey out and what she thinks/thought or did. lol Sad part about this besides what she did to Caylee is the more we say she is crazy or has mental issues the more likely she is to use that as defense and she gets away with murder when she is not mentally ill but just cunning and cold hearted.
IMO

[Shellberry]

I know! It's so difficult to wrap your mind around a crazy persons reasoning. Maybe if we keep trying, we'll go nuts, then we'll totally understand. bbbdbbdbdbbbd <---drumming lower lip

ok before I go, I have to say that reminds me of the scene in overboard when goldie hawn is in the chair and the little boy is throwing grapes at her face saying buhbuhbubh
I do the buhbuhbubhbuhb a lot, lol

ok-goodnight all!

Caylee- Hugs and Kisses to you!!!:rose::rose:

[Oregongal]

Oh I thought you were going to bed now. I need coffee orsomething. LOL

i got back up because i couldn't sleep and now I hear my son and his friends banging pool balls upstairs. He's lucky it's his birthday night or else I'd be yappin at him to get to bed. lol

Sorry for going off topic for just a few seconds. I am really confused about the nglect charges and the double jeopardy thing for harsher charges pertaining to the lesser charges and all that. Maybe they are stacking all the other charges then going to drop the neglect charges before charging her with murder?
Unperson might be able to help with this area.????

Happy Birthday to your son RR!
I remember those days with my sons too.
I would think that they would only drop the neglect charges AFTER they charge her with murder, not before.
But, they may stack them to prove murder. I'm not a lawyer and would hope one of our legals could help us understand.

[Rayosunshine]

Yup - the one I have is dated 9/22 and has an awful shot of Casey on the front cover. It could be that the Globe distorted the picture (kind of like the Times did to OJ's mug shot) -- but I'd be curious as to what you think if you see it. She could have hit a table too or something like that. My son at that age was the same height as our dining room table at that age and often plowed rignt into it. We had to get the little rubber protectors there for awhile.

Knowing how wild a 2 1/2 year old can be, it's easy for them to get banged up.

Do you think The Globe photoshopped the pic? I saw a pic of Casey with the same expression, but it was in profile - Globe probably "fixed" the pic to show the full face.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

[johnielee333]

NG defender here...it's just her accent. I lived with my ex for years hearing him say wershcloth instead of washcloth. Drove me crazy, but did understand he just couldn't say it my way...the proper way hehe.
:D

yep youre right. i think NG is from the south. casey's family is really from the north. tomatto/tomotto, potato/pototo.
it still drives me nuts to hear her say Caylee's name.
i love what you said about > my way...the proper way ! LOL :biggrin:

[mosey2]

:lol: that's why we can't figure Casey out and what she thinks/thought or did. lol Sad part about this besides what she did to Caylee is the more we say she is crazy or has mental issues the more likely she is to use that as defense and she gets away with murder when she is not mentally ill but just cunning and cold hearted.
IMO
What is that they say? If a person tries to hid the crime, then they know its wrong, and their not legally crazy---or something like that.

Crazey definately tried to hide it

[mosey2]

Knowing how wild a 2 1/2 year old can be, it's easy for them to get banged up.

Do you think The Globe photoshopped the pic? I saw a pic of Casey with the same expression, but it was in profile - Globe probably "fixed" the pic to show the full face.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom
If you look closely you can see where they airbrushed away Casey's upper lip. And I bet Cindy is LOVING them saying she is 56 years old! She just celebrated her 50th

[johnielee333]

:lol: that's why we can't figure Casey out and what she thinks/thought or did. lol Sad part about this besides what she did to Caylee is the more we say she is crazy or has mental issues the more likely she is to use that as defense and she gets away with murder when she is not mentally ill but just cunning and cold hearted.
IMO

oh i believe she has mentally illness but NOT to the degree of ever getting off a murder charge or any other charge. yes i believe youre right she is cunning and cold hearted too.

[luvinlife]

If you look closely you can see where they airbrushed away Casey's upper lip. And I bet Cindy is LOVING them saying she is 56 years old! She just celebrated her 50th



lol I hadn't even noticed that, I am sure she will be impressed.

Nevermind the age thing she will be freaking out that Kristina gave the interview, she better hide.

[luvinlife]

oh i believe she has mentally illness but NOT to the degree of ever getting off a murder charge or any other charge. yes i believe youre right she is cunning and cold hearted too.



I agree, she knows what she is doing, she just doesn't care.

[johnielee333]

I agree, she knows what she is doing, she just doesn't care.

Exactly ! i agree.

[mosey2]

lol I hadn't even noticed that, I am sure she will be impressed.

Nevermind the age thing she will be freaking out that Kristina gave the interview, she better hide.
The wrath of Cindy. Protecting her cub. One day soon she's gonna crack, and it will be heard around the world.
I'm outie! Later fellow peeps!

[luvinlife]

Well the Globe doesn't rank up there as the most honest rag mag, so I wouldn't doubt it. Though they've come a long way over the years, and it's nice that they don't show alien babies on their covers anymore :)



I don't know about that , Casey is the closest thing to an alien baby I have ever seen. Of course this is JMHO:D

[luvinlife]

Well good night everyone.

Pray for some good news tomorrow..... ooops I mean later today.






God Bless Caylee Marie Anthony
:rose::rose::rose:

[Rebel Rouzer]

We may not all agree on what happened and who is to blame but I think we can all agree. WE ALL want Caylee found.


Hugs night all :seeya:

[Marianne]

We may not all agree on what happened and who is to blame but I think we can all agree. WE ALL want Caylee found.


Hugs night all :seeya:


I think she has a split personality. The one she created ..the all perfect glamour girl to impress her mom and the world with and the dark one who knows it is all a lie and seeks revenge on herself as well.

it is the reason she keeps lying to police...she has buried that part of herself. They need to do hypnosis on her.

[Oregongal]

Makes me think about everything twice. Makes me think how lucky I am to be looking at my 4 yr old, sleeping SO peacefully on the floor in front of me. He had a "bad Dweeem." and slipped out of bed.

Poor Caylee.

Awwww, how sweet. I look at my grandson every day, he and his mom, my DD, live with me and I think how diff it would be if I were in Cindy's position. Daughter or not...to say this nicely...I would have been in her face big time long before I had smelled anything in her car. Cindy said she had just found her daughter after a month in one of the 911 calls. Are you kidding me? If my DD had left with my grandson while they were living with me and I hadn't heard from her after 2 wks, I would have been tracking them down. And if I had found her after a month and she didn't have my grandson I would have done whatever needed to make her tell me where he was and why she didn't have him. If I had gotten her car and it smelled like a damn dead body I would have immediatly hit the bricks to find her and dragged her to the police and told them to keep her away from me, because God only knows what I would have wanted to do to her.
I don't get it with this family. I know only how I would feel and what I would have done, which has become obvious they are not like me.
I love my DD, I would do anything for her, I would lay down my life for her...but if I had a suspicion that she had killed her child, my grandchild, I would also do whatever needed to make her accountable.
In my mind, loving and supporting is much different than covering up, denying and protecting my children from the consequences of their actions.
Of course it would break my heart, I would probably even feel guilty in wondering where I went wrong. But, I would never cover any crime, especially one as horrendous as murder. I've been in a place where I could have chosen to lie and cover for one of my kids for a crime, not murder, thank God, I continued to love them, but I certainly did not lie for them. I stood by that child (adult) and let them know I was there for them. But, they had to go thru the process of facing the consequences of their crime. I guess it just boils down to what morals and beliefs you have as a parent and what you try to instill in your children. I see this Anthony family so totally dysfuntional and without any true and solid morals. In a way I feel very bad for them because obviously what they have ignored/condoned has brought them to the place they are now. In another way I think what kind of world and reality have they been living in to bring them to this place? This all did not happen overnight. Casey did not just suddenly become a person who would or could murder her child. Whatever, however it all came about began long ago within that family.
I just feel so sad that a lil, beautiful, innocent baby girl became the price that was paid for it all.
For Caylee Marie Anthony, I'm so sorry lil darlin
:rose:

[Oregongal]

June 18 Wed – Another spike in calls to her parents, six in 45 minutes during the early part of the afternoon. According to the leaked records, three calls were made to her parent's home phone, two to her mom's cell phone and one to her dad's cell phone, all between 12:33pm and 1:11pm.

Thanks mosey, like I said my memory of the timeline is off...so what date was it when there was a blank?
I swear I seem to remember there was a day in there somewhere that had nothing. No cell call, nobody seeing her.
I thought I'd read somewhere there was a day that hadn't been accounted for...or at least released by LE.
Now I am really :confused: but, it's very late for me.
I'm still :read:to try and catch up.

[Oregongal]

:lol:


Thank you , you have given me a reason to laugh a couple of times this evening. Posting by yourself, etc.


I am getting very impatient waiting for Casey to be put back in jail and even more impatient for someone, anyone to find Caylee.

:lol:
I'm always happy to give you a laugh luvin!
I am ALREADY impatient. Got past 'getting' awhile ago.
;)

[Oregongal]

haha-I hear ya, my other half is from MA, Im from PA, man he talks funny LOL (get outta heah)

ok guys, heading out for tonight--hopefully maybe we'll hear something tomorrow, it is Sunday though, usually a quiet days on the news homefront.

:seeya:

:rose:caylee & every baby

Good night Shell, sleep well.
:seeya:

[Oregongal]

Well good night everyone.

Pray for some good news tomorrow..... ooops I mean later today.






God Bless Caylee Marie Anthony
:rose::rose::rose:


Good night luvin, sleep well and ditto
God Bless Caylee Marie Anthony

[Oregongal]

We may not all agree on what happened and who is to blame but I think we can all agree. WE ALL want Caylee found.


Hugs night all :seeya:

Good night RR, sleep well!
Hope those boys are quiet enough for you to sleep now.
;)

[Oregongal]

I'm off to ni nite too.
Good night everyone.
Prayers for Caylee and everyone who wants her found.
:rose:

[zinnia]

Just heard all 64 minutes of the first interview with Casey. OMG. Guess I didn't think it would sound as bad as it did. Bless the LE and their patience with her; they deserve a medal for having sat in that room listening to her lie and not b**ch slap her. Over and over she says the same thing and yet the date wasn't even correct. How those gentlemen ever got through that interview without losing it is beyond me and they deserve 10:beer:for it.
To All of the LE and Searchers :rose:

To Caylee, may the Angels walk with you wherever you are.
:rose:

[kakax]

I saw that, too. Supposedly it was both George and Cindy involved. I wonder if it's true. They do seem to have them quite often. :rolleyes:

It must have been quite late if it really happened though, because the poster said it was reported on WFTV, and their report of last night, updated just after 11PM, said "The Anthony home remained fairly quiet Saturday."

http://www.wftv.com/news/17458657/detail.html

I saw that. It had to have happened fairly quickly after that time. I did see a few protesters there when the camera froze, but there weren't that many there then. I can still see two women on the freeze frame. I tried to ask over there if channel 9 had live news in the morning but no one answered.

Myfox Orlando has a link to their weekend news, so I'll keep that up. I bet it starts at 7.

[kakax]

Just heard all 64 minutes of the first interview with Casey. OMG. Guess I didn't think it would sound as bad as it did. Bless the LE and their patience with her; they deserve a medal for having sat in that room listening to her lie and not b**ch slap her. Over and over she says the same thing and yet the date wasn't even correct. How those gentlemen ever got through that interview without losing it is beyond me and they deserve 10:beer:for it.
To All of the LE and Searchers :rose:

To Caylee, may the Angels walk with you wherever you are.
:rose:


I so agree that it is different listening to it, than reading it. Do you know by any chance if she was immediately arrested at the end of this interview or did they let her go home?

[zinnia]

I so agree that it is different listening to it, than reading it. Do you know by any chance if she was immediately arrested at the end of this interview or did they let her go home?

Don't know for sure. I was just astounded at how calm she sounded even when they politely pointed out she must be a cold hearted lier. Never wavered from her lie, continued to act like the police were the ones not getting it. I would be angry but frankly I'm just stunned that anyone has that leval of denial.

[MyrDawn]

I so agree that it is different listening to it, than reading it. Do you know by any chance if she was immediately arrested at the end of this interview or did they let her go home?

She was arrested after they got back to the central operation center, after the excursion to Universal Studios. They started receiving phone calls from people that knew Casey and they gave Casey one more chance to change her story. When she didn't, they arrested her.

Here's the arrest affidavit for 7/17/08:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%201-150.pdf

Edited: This copy of the arrest affidavit loads easier for me. They both contain the info of where and when Casey was first arrested:
http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=MediaRelations%2f07.24.08_affi davit.pdf&tabid=547&mid=1935

JMO

[dreamtime]

Exactly. :D I was chomping at the bit to use the internet. I kept thinking I was missing out on this huge breaking news...but alas...non...

When I envisioned Caylee I got these shapes: fish, yellow round light and a heart shape...(didn't really have a color).

For Casey: I came up with a red fire hydrant, smoke, and bees. Ummm...yeah...that is pretty weird.
But if it leads to anything I will be pleased. But bees? Seriously, LB.
===============================================

I did this also.
For Caylee, I got a heart shape, (no color ),
wavy line for water and a house..
For Casey, I got a dark heavy line, (angry), grass and
MOM.

Hmmm.

[SavannahStar]

The pool is above ground, with a liner, right?

The only pool I have ever take care of was in ground and did not have a liner. It was made of concrete or whatever they make them of - can't remember the name of the stuff. We used muriatic acid (sp?) in the pool and chlorine and whatever else it needed - actually the pool guy did this.

Would a person use muriatic acid in an above ground pool?

Does anyone know?

I have a theory.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Not sure if this has been answered.....I'm just catching up.

We have an above ground, and yes we use muriatic acid. It's used to lower the alkalinity.

[kakax]

Don't know for sure. I was just astounded at how calm she sounded even when they politely pointed out she must be a cold hearted lier. Never wavered from her lie, continued to act like the police were the ones not getting it. I would be angry but frankly I'm just stunned that anyone has that leval of denial.

It really is remarkable. Makes you realize she is capable of being able to disassociate herself from situations. I would have been a babbling mess.

[kakax]

She was arrested after they got back to the central operation center, after the excursion to Universal Studios. They started receiving phone calls from people that knew Casey and they gave Casey one more chance to change her story. When she didn't, they arrested her.

Here's the arrest affidavit for 7/17/08:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%201-150.pdf

Edited: This copy of the arrest affidavit loads easier for me. They both contain the info of where and when Casey was first arrested:
http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=MediaRelations%2f07.24.08_affi davit.pdf&tabid=547&mid=1935

JMO


Ty! It's hard to keep all of this straight.

[kakax]

She was arrested after they got back to the central operation center, after the excursion to Universal Studios. They started receiving phone calls from people that knew Casey and they gave Casey one more chance to change her story. When she didn't, they arrested her.

Here's the arrest affidavit for 7/17/08:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%201-150.pdf

Edited: This copy of the arrest affidavit loads easier for me. They both contain the info of where and when Casey was first arrested:
http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=MediaRelations%2f07.24.08_affi davit.pdf&tabid=547&mid=1935

JMO



I need to go look at the documents, but at some point Casey supposedly called Jeff Hopkins at 5 in the am IIRC. Wonder if that was after she was dropped off after taking detectives to Sawgrass.

[zinnia]

It really is remarkable. Makes you realize she is capable of being able to disassociate herself from situations. I would have been a babbling mess.

Shot in the dark here; could something so horrible have happened that it put her in a deep state of shock? Wish we had a psych report. Guess this is just so sick I can't even wrap my mind around it. Keep hoping that there is a reason and so afraid there isn't.

[kakax]

I need to go look at the documents, but at some point Casey supposedly called Jeff Hopkins at 5 in the am IIRC. Wonder if that was after she was dropped off after taking detectives to Sawgrass.

I just looked at it had to have been after detectives dropped her off. It was at 5am on the 16th of July. Wonder if she was trying to get Jeff to corroborate her story. Unfortunately she didn't know she was calling his parents home.

[kakax]

Shot in the dark here; could something so horrible have happened that it put her in a deep state of shock? Wish we had a psych report. Guess this is just so sick I can't even wrap my mind around it. Keep hoping that there is a reason and so afraid there isn't.

I don't believe that she was in shock. Her mother described her a psychopath even before all of this. She had been stealing from her Grandparents before this. I'm more inclined to think that alot of pressures came to a head and she either murdered her or used chloroform to get Caylee to sleep perhaps in her car because she had no where to take Caylee at night.

[MyrDawn]

I just looked at it had to have been after detectives dropped her off. It was at 5am on the 16th of July. Wonder if she was trying to get Jeff to corroborate her story. Unfortunately she didn't know she was calling his parents home.

I definitely think she tried to call Jeff to corroborate her story.
JMO

[MyrDawn]

Shot in the dark here; could something so horrible have happened that it put her in a deep state of shock? Wish we had a psych report. Guess this is just so sick I can't even wrap my mind around it. Keep hoping that there is a reason and so afraid there isn't.

I think the only big shock Casey had was that everyone didn't believe her lies and she was arrested.
JMO

[zinnia]

I think the only big shock Casey had was that everyone didn't believe her lies and she was arrested.
JMO

Been following this for a couple of months. Until I actually heard her voice and the lies I didn't really believe that Caylee might be dead. Now I am sure of it. OT/ had a dream the other night that there was a wooden gate in a swampy place with two boards under it. Caylee was under neath the boards with a small stuffed elephant. Was hoping it was the Chinese food, not so sure now.
Can only hope that Caylee is with someone and safe. And that Casey gets all she deserves.
JMO

[nutterbutter]

What's scary is that she didn't even pause when telling lie after lie....i.e. working at Universal Studios, Juliette Lewis, etc. It just rolls right off of her. Me, I'd be giving up the Kentucky Fried Chicken secret recipe at that point.
New day thread open.Please come on over.




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[nutterbutter]

Been following this for a couple of months. Until I actually heard her voice and the lies I didn't really believe that Caylee might be dead. Now I am sure of it. OT/ had a dream the other night that there was a wooden gate in a swampy place with two boards under it. Caylee was under neath the boards with a small stuffed elephant. Was hoping it was the Chinese food, not so sure now.
Can only hope that Caylee is with someone and safe. And that Casey gets all she deserves.
JMO


New thread for Sunday morning is open.

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[BobbysGirl]

Shot in the dark here; could something so horrible have happened that it put her in a deep state of shock? Wish we had a psych report. Guess this is just so sick I can't even wrap my mind around it. Keep hoping that there is a reason and so afraid there isn't.

Thank you for your thoughts. This very thing has been going round and round in my mind. I did not know what words to use, therefore did not post.

I have heard, read that some people go through this and have no memory. What happened, when or why? I believe Casey has serious emotional problems. Considering her statement she wrote on her page...that I read ealier in thread.

IMO She may also have some serious split- personality disorder. Who really knows what Casey has gone through in her early childhood. The Anthony's certainly have shared nothing.

My post does not reflect my opionion of her. I believe she killed or accidently killed Caylee<that is the fence I am on>

I believe she grew up in a turmoil of a homelife. That has many skeletons that no one knows. The Anthonys are very strange. IMO especially her mother. Something definite not right with her mental state either.

God Bless Caylee, where ever she is. I hope she is found and soon. The days are getting longer, into months and nothing. For Caylee :rose:

BG

[FrankieBones1]

wow, I made a new thread
cool:D

Great job, great title! Maybe you can have CW change it in the morning to :

Sunday Morning/Afternoon Discussion.

[FrankieBones1]

New thread for Sunday morning is open.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12116091#post12116091

This one isn't even near 400 quote let alone 1,000.

Why don't you allow someone new to make a new thread sometime. At least she was able to choose a title that wasn't confusing.

[AlohaRainbow]

Muriatic Acid diluated down is Vinegar .. I used to use it to clean the inside of my aquariums .. to clean the algae off the glass and etc. - it would not kill the fish as I would rinse the aquariums out really good .. It has alot of uses .. but I haven't heard of it eating a body or dissolving one .. :shrug:

JMOO
muriatic acid is hydrochloric acid (HCl)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrochloric_acid

vinegar is diluted acetic acid (pure acetic acid is also known as glacial acetic acid; acetic acid is also known as ethanoic acid) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetic_acid

glacial acetic acid and muriatic acid can both be used in etching glass and concrete-they're pretty strong acids

i hope casey didn't use anything like that with caylee :(

[bluwaters]

Please Light a Candle for Caylee

Click any unlit candle to begin.

:rose:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

[nutterbutter]

This one isn't even near 400 quote let alone 1,000.

Why don't you allow someone new to make a new thread sometime. At least she was able to choose a title that wasn't confusing.Is there a law about who starts a thread?I looked and there was no sunday morning thread but thanks for asking.:punch:There is a sunday morning thread started.


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