"About the PROTESTERS" Thread

[Shellberry]

here we are, I definately think they also need their own thread!

please post your regards about them here, so as not to crap up the 'main' daily threads.

:rose:

I really hope the HOA gets the judge on their side!
it is getting crazy in that neighborhood already with the 'protesters'


imo/jmo

[Lynden1000]

here we are, I definately think they also need their own thread!

please post your regards about them here, so as not to crap up the 'main' daily threads.

:rose:

I really hope the HOA gets the judge on their side!
it is getting crazy in that neighborhood already with the 'protesters'


imo/jmo

I am entertained by the antics of the protesters. They are a somewhat amusing diversion in an otherwise incredibly sad story. I have a hard time taking them seriously, however. Human nature being what it is, I suspect that most of them are just attention-seekers, trouble-makers, or people hoping to make the nightly news.

In any other situation, they would've been arrested by now for loitering, menacing, disturbing the peace, or some other charge.

That said, Lee needs to drive a little more carefully in the future. Aggravating they may be, but running over a family with small children is not a way to make things easier for your family!:no:

[spageddy]

I cannot understand why someone would think that standing with a sign outside the Anthony's house is in any way helpful to the search for Caylee,to justice for Caylee,or to the investigation into her dissappearance. It creates a circus-like atmosphere to have these folks gathering every evening with their kids and dogs and signs. Just waiting for what? A glimpse of movement from inside the house to get them riled up? The "mob mentality" is disturbing. The Cameras are there because the story IS the protesters. The media is waiting for any little disturbance to show on the air. And some of the protesters (IMO) are waiting for their opportunity to get themselves and their children & dogs on TV. Yippee:rolleyes: All at the expense of a 3 y.o. girl. Just my opinion of course. They do have every right to be there.

[spageddy]

me again. Still kinda disturbed by the protesters.
The people with the kids? Why don't they take those kids to play in a park, read them a book or give them some milk & cookies (at home- not in somebody else's neighborhood.) The more I think about them, the more disturbed I become. And believe me: I do not like what is going on, or has gone on in that house either- But c'mon folks. Put YOUR kids first!
Post on a message board or blog After they're in bed if you need to vent. (just be polite & stay on topic) Watch the web cam if you need to gawk.

[johnielee333]

i believe some of them are only there because theyre nosey or they want their 15 minutes of fame. i also believe some of them are very cruel & rude too and young kids do not belong there holding signs or whatever.

[Ladyhawk]

My sympathies are with the neighbors. They had absolutely nothing to do with this situation and are caught in the fallout and really can't do anything about it. The protesters can stay relatively close to the Anthony house but they are still disturbing the peace of the neighborhood. Your home is supposed to be a sanctuary, a place where you can retreat from the world and live in peace. These people that live around there have had that taken from them and I hope the court can work out something that preserves the peace of the neighborhood. IMO, the rights of the people living around the Anthony's trump the rights of the protesters....there are other places the protesters can protest but the neighbors don't have anywhere else they can live.

[Keno]

Some of the protestors are the neighbors - not all - but some. Having said that, I do think these protestors are a dysfunctional bunch at best. My opinion only! I'd be very concerned if I were the Anthony's and I am sure they are. The protestors have no problem getting right up into the faces of the Anthony's, and yelling at them which I find disgusting. They purposely make them angry - to get their goat. It's just wrong.

I think NG said it best last night - The Anthony's are victims of Casey as well and they are doing their best with their daughter. The protestors need to settle down

[johnielee333]

well i have to say after watching some of the video's of the protesters
& the stuff they are saying to cindy,george & lee,
that the protesters are totally wrong.
they are just plain mean nasty people.
they need to go back home.
what is wrong with america ?
how can we allow this to happen ?
this needs to be stopped.
yes i know they have a right to protest
but havent they ever heard of a
non-violent,peaceful,un-nasty,silent protest ?
whats wrong with these people ?
how would they like it if it was happening to them
or someone they loved ? they wouldnt & neither would any of us !
they are making me think they are the bad guys.
they need to stop the madness.
enough is enough !!! :flamemad:

[Shellberry]

enough is enough is right.

Im glad to see the HOA is going to press charges on groups


The protesters are being offered a piece of vacant property on which to congregate. The land is about a block away from the Anthony home.

hopefully they accept it and stop

story here (http://www.local6.com/news/17461673/detail.html)

imo/jmo/etc

[TxLady2]

I feel sorry for their neighbors having to put up with this every day.
IMO, most of these protestors are just there to start a ruckus, to get attention... not to help in any way. I would bet that there are only a few who actually went and searched.
.

[Alibar]

I feel sorry for their neighbors having to put up with this every day.
IMO, most of these protestors are just there to start a ruckus, to get attention... not to help in any way. I would bet that there are only a few who actually went and searched.
.

It's the type people who only want that microphone in front of their face so they can be on TEEVEE. There moment in the spotlight. :(

[Magnum357]

It's a volatile and potentially dangerous place to be. Children should not be allowed to be there. Since their parents don't have enough sense to know that, LE should inform them.

On a side note-----I can't wait for Nancy Grace to get a hold of the footage of the 1st Runner Up for Mother of the Year, continuing to scream at Cindy while her child is lying injured and crying on the ground.

[luvinlife]

I have to say that I agree with almost everything you all have said.

It is solving nothing, Caylee is not being honored here. I do not think that she would want anyone saying these things to her family. She loved her Grandma and Grandpa and yes even her mother. Let the police and the court do its job.

If they are frustrated with this family or the law, do something constructive with their time. Search for Caylee, volunteer for a missing childrens charity, donate money to TES, petition to change the law, or go to a message board and get out your frustration.

Most of all do something that would honor Caylee.


For Caylee:rose::rose::rose:

[NatalieB]

I'm all for freedom of speech, but cannot believe it was ever a right given to us so that we could hold protests outside of people's houses. IMO, the protesters are almost up there with the Phelps gang (and that's as low as you can get, imo).

The recent confrontation was about the worst so far. My God, those people brought 2 young children with them (as have other protesters). The young boy was saying things that I wouldn't tolerate from my 16 & 17 year old kids. The boy gets hurt at the end and the woman driving had ZERO clue as to what happened to him. She was however taking him to the hospital and going to make the Anthonys pay for it. AS IF!

I'm not a fan of the Anthonys, but enough is enough already. Someone needs to tell the trailer park trash it's time to go home.

[rosejustrose]

I was initially under the impression that the protesters were there to get justice for Caylee by letting the Anthonys know they believed Casey needed to tell the truth. Now I think they are there because they are infuriated with a legal system that allowed Casey to bond out and enjoy the comforts of home. In that case, I think they are protesting in the wrong place. They need to go protest their perception of injustice in front of the courthouse. JMHO.

[FrankieBones1]

It's a volatile and potentially dangerous place to be. Children should not be allowed to be there. Since their parents don't have enough sense to know that, LE should inform them.

On a side note-----I can't wait for Nancy Grace to get a hold of the footage of the 1st Runner Up for Mother of the Year, continuing to scream at Cindy while her child is lying injured and crying on the ground.

I'm pretty sure that Nancy will play it over and over and over again. It's possible the producers were able to get a hold of that 'woman' via her car tags. Maybe they'll have her on the show so she can show the world just how ********* she is. Just fill in the blanks with your own words.

[FrankieBones1]

I was initially under the impression that the protesters were there to get justice for Caylee by letting the Anthonys know they believed Casey needed to tell the truth. Now I think they are there because they are infuriated with a legal system that allowed Casey to bond out and enjoy the comforts of home. In that case, I think they are protesting in the wrong place. They need to go protest their perception of injustice in front of the courthouse. JMHO.

I think there are a few that do want justice. But for the most part, from what I've witnessed, quite a few are there for their fifteen minutes and a rumble. Shame on them.

I'd like to see the woman with the St. Bernard dog come back. She was peaceful and made a point.

[margaritaville]

I'm all for freedom of speech, but cannot believe it was ever a right given to us so that we could hold protests outside of people's houses. IMO, the protesters are almost up there with the Phelps gang (and that's as low as you can get, imo).

The recent confrontation was about the worst so far. My God, those people brought 2 young children with them (as have other protesters). The young boy was saying things that I wouldn't tolerate from my 16 & 17 year old kids. The boy gets hurt at the end and the woman driving had ZERO clue as to what happened to him. She was however taking him to the hospital and going to make the Anthonys pay for it. AS IF!

I'm not a fan of the Anthonys, but enough is enough already. Someone needs to tell the trailer park trash it's time to go home.

I saw the video of that confrontation....
Does anyone know what happened with the boy? Was his arm broke or hand? It looked like it was slammed in the door.

Just curious if anyone knew...TIA

[Magnum357]

I'm pretty sure that Nancy will play it over and over and over again. It's possible the producers were able to get a hold of that 'woman' via her car tags. Maybe they'll have her on the show so she can show the world just how ********* she is. Just fill in the blanks with your own words.

And you have to know that each time she plays it over and over, she'll have her own 'special' comment about it.

Please please please don't let there be someone filling in for her tonight.

Forgive me for salivating.

[museumgirl]

While I am no Cindy Anthony fan and think that she does KNOW way more than she claims... the woman who left her child laying on the ground crying in pain should have some people from Social Services paying her a visit. The minute that child was hurt, whether it was severe or not... her confrontation of Cindy was DONE. Her attention should have been on her child. Not Cindy's.

The really sad part.... NONE of the adults there even really noticed him. Not Cindy, not the mother or the other two w/her... how sad is that????

[Dogmatic]

I believe they have far exceeded their first amendment rights of a "peaceful protest".

[Shells2]

I really think all of those protesters are a bunch of idiots. They are trashy, meddling little nobody's IMO who obviously need to spend more time at home taking care of thier own children, studying English, or taking a course on social graces.

What good do they think they are doing standing there making butts of themselves? What is that doing to help find Caylee? If they have so much bloody time to waste, maybe participate in a search for another missing child, do something constructive and get a life. :cuss:

[Magnum357]

I really think all of those protesters are a bunch of idiots. They are trashy, meddling little nobody's IMO who obviously need to spend more time at home taking care of thier own children, studying English, or taking a course on social graces.

What good do they think they are doing standing there making butts of themselves? What is that doing to help find Caylee? If they have so much bloody time to waste, maybe participate in a search for another missing child, do something constructive and get a life. :cuss:

I'm betting Nancy is going to say the exact same thing. :beer:

[museumgirl]

The Department of Children and Families said Monday that video of the aforementioned child protesting and screaming, along with his mother, outside the Anthony house Saturday night, has prompted an investigation (Images | Raw Video).

DCF said they were alerted to the video by viewers who contacted their Florida Abuse Hotline. The video shows the boy possibly get injured during the altercation. The boy's arm appears to be slammed in the car door when the female driver is being restrained by a passenger.

DCF said they used the vehicle's license plate number to contact the family and "is taking all appropriate investigative steps to assess the child’s injuries and the circumstances surrounding the situation."

DCF told Eyewitness News they believe the child is doing okay.



***At least something good came of this. This mother is going to learn to keep her mouth shut and take care of her own child rather than criticize someone else. (Not defending Cindy because she didn't notice the child either!!)

[FrankieBones1]

I'm betting Nancy is going to say the exact same thing. :beer:

I was distracted during Nancy's show. Did she comment on that at all?

[NatalieB]

I was distracted during Nancy's show. Did she comment on that at all?

When I record Nancy Grace, for some reason, it doesn't record the entire last segment of the show (right before she shows the pic of the soldier who died). I usually miss a minute or 2 right at that time everyday.

Unless it was in that 2 minutes, no, she didn't mention it at all. She did briefly mention the protest, but she never elaborated on it. The show was revolved more around the audio interviews of Casey. Diane covered the same thing on Friday's show.

[Shellberry]

Im glad the little boy is ok.
Im sure we wont hear anymore about his/his mother.
Hopefully if something is indeed 'not right' in that household, DCF will step in to help.


imo/jmo

an interesting bit of info I found yesterday- it is the right to protest brochure for FL.

what you can/cant do, etc.

you might need to switch your screen to landscape view to see it right.

2 parts I found interesting in it.

LIMITATIONS ON SPEECH


√
The First Amendment does not protect speech that is
combined with the violation of established laws such as
trespassing, disobeying or interfering with a lawful order by a
police officer.
√
Although inflammatory speakers cannot be punished
for merely arousing an audience, a speaker can be arrested for
incitement if he/she advocates imminent violence or
specifically provokes people to commit unlawful actions.
√
Also unprotected are malicious statements about
public officials and obscene speech.

LIMITATIONS ON ACTION
√
Demonstrators who engage in civil disobedience —
peaceful, but unlawful, activities as a form of protest — are
not protected under the First Amendment.
√
If you endanger others while protesting, you can be
arrested. A protest that blocks vehicular or pedestrian traffic
is illegal without a permit.
√
You do not have the right to block a building
entrance or physically harass people. The general rule is that
free speech activity cannot take place on private property,
including outdoor malls, without the consent of the property
owner. You do not have the right to remain on private
property after being told to leave by the property owner.


whole brochure link (http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=florida+protest+rights&fr=moz2&u=www.aclufl.org/PDFs/right_to_protest_brochure.pdf&w=florida+fl+protest+protests+rights+right&d=TK8y6vReRZIU&icp=1&.intl=us)


imo/jmo/etc

[ALL RISE]

here we are, I definately think they also need their own thread!

please post your regards about them here, so as not to crap up the 'main' daily threads.

:rose:

I really hope the HOA gets the judge on their side!
it is getting crazy in that neighborhood already with the 'protesters'


imo/jmo

about the young boy who's arm was caught in the car door between Cindy Anthony's outrage and the woman that brought the boy.
Poor kid was totally in pain and totally ignored and I was thinking about Cindy Anthony having a medical background and she could have cared less about that poor little boy.

People, get a life!

For the child that was hurt.:rose:

[Magnum357]

I was distracted during Nancy's show. Did she comment on that at all?

She didn't, Frankie. I saw a clip of the incident at the very beginning of the show but she didn't give her take on it. DANG!!!:mad:

[Magnum357]

about the young boy who's arm was caught in the car door between Cindy Anthony's outrage and the woman that brought the boy.
Poor kid was totally in pain and totally ignored and I was thinking about Cindy Anthony having a medical background and she could have cared less about that poor little boy.

People, get a life!

For the child that was hurt.:rose:

I can just imagine what would have come out of that sweet boy's mouth if Cindy had tried to look at his arm. Not even going to think about what his lovely mother would have done. :rolleyes:

[Shellberry]

I can just imagine what would have come out of that sweet boy's mouth if Cindy had tried to look at his arm. Not even going to think about what his lovely mother would have done. :rolleyes: exactly! good point. I think that mother would have been screaming lawsuit or some such thing- I think it is extremely good that cindy didnt go near that little boy. This case would be getting just a little bit more disastrous

imo/jmo/etc

[SavannahStar]

Did anyone catch what the protestor said , the one who was the mother of the son who got hurt while she just jumped in her
suv ,leaving him rolling on the ground .


First of all there are several things I want to say :



The main protestor ,the one with the son , did you HEAR her yell out to Cindy that HER SON talks and acts like HE does because of children like CINDY'S her son goes to school with and picks up from them !!!!!!!!!!


I am disgusted by the illiteracy of that woman who felt the need to pass judgment on Cindy ! I have never heard such an illeterate comment on my life! It was QUITE obvious that the young boy learned everything from his mother.

Did you also hear the little boy yelling out to Cindy saying things like Casey was out drinking beer and staying up all night and that he hopes Cindy doesn't think he knows what beer is ,because he does! ( And I'm CERTAIN he does know what beer is and what inhibitions it can set loose in anyone , we saw perfect examples from the footage)


I feel like Cindy deserves an academy award for her performance out there that night....never have I seen a woman faced with such tragedy do her best to hold it together ! That poor woman has more pressure right now then mist of us will ever endure as well does her husband George , and like Nancy Grace said , the Anthonys are not at fault , how dare people strike their anger out at the Anthony's ,especially not thinking of what they are going through !


I for one would love to give Cindy a huge hug , she is in the midst of a living nightmare and does not deserve this ,if anything she deserves support .I feel she has done everything humanly possible to get her daughter to tell the truth and she is at a loss and has no recourse but to try and believe in what her daughter is telling all ,is the truth ! NOT that it is ...............


My sincere wishes to the Anthonys that Cindy George and Lee can hang on and keep their sanity after all this ....they are sure to break hard , I have never seen and witnessed such pressure on people and to me it is unconstitutional !

You make a very compassionate post, with which I agree one hundred percent. I will never understand or find justification in the attacks on the Anthony family. If I hadn't seen all this myself, I would never ever believe how many heartless and cruel people surround us. I know this isn't the appropriate forum for religious posts, but I have to think that God/Jesus would be very unhappy with the utter lack of compassion for the grandparents and uncle of this little girl. I was taught to reach out to people who's lives are in turmoil, that it isn't one sinners place to pass judgement on another sinner, except when called to do so, by jury service.

Many times during the past weeks, I am reminded of the Amish, and how the entire Amish community reached out to the family of the person who murdered innocent Amish victim(s). How it was just in their nature to be forgiving, perhaps trusting in their higher power to sit in ultimate judgment. How amazing to see their offer of compassion to the person who had brought so much pain and sadness to their community. We should all look at them as an example of humanity and civility. We could all learn a lot. imo

:rose: for both of you. Outstanding posts.

[museumgirl]

I agree that Cindy should not have touched the child, for her own safety.... but she could have at least acknowledged his pain and his crying. As could the mother and the two passengers of the mothers car.....

At least people who saw that video were outraged enough to call and turn the mother in. That's good to know.


The Amish are a completely different situation.... they had resolution to their tragedy. The man who was responsible was known and they knew everything right up front. They opened their hearts to that mans family because they were victims too.

Yeah, it could be said that Cindy & George are victims... but at the same time.... what have they really done to garner sympathy???? Nothing in my eyes. They have treated people trying to find Caylee like crap, they have stopped focusing on Caylee and are completely set on taking care of Casey.

[Mrs.Brea]

I'm absolutely disturbed by the behavior of the protesters. As a mother I cannot imagine bringing my child to witness me become part of an angry mob let alone doing it on my own. It's disgusting in every way shape and form. Who are they to judge? They are standing on someone elses property, acting like escapees from a nut house, waving banners and shouting obscenities at all hours of the day. To me the protesters are no better than the Anthony's. Bottom line.

[Mrs.Brea]

I was distracted during Nancy's show. Did she comment on that at all?

I expected her to go into it with a little more detail but it was only briefly discussed. The clip was shown but not much was said. I was a bit disappointed...

[Mrs.Brea]

While I am no Cindy Anthony fan and think that she does KNOW way more than she claims... the woman who left her child laying on the ground crying in pain should have some people from Social Services paying her a visit. The minute that child was hurt, whether it was severe or not... her confrontation of Cindy was DONE. Her attention should have been on her child. Not Cindy's.

The really sad part.... NONE of the adults there even really noticed him. Not Cindy, not the mother or the other two w/her... how sad is that????

To watch the little boy on the ground broke my heart. As a mother my first priority is my children and I can't imagine leaving him laying there while I'm to busy screaming at someone I don't even know! That boy was clearly in pain and she had to of heard him crying.

[margaritaville]

While my personal opinion of the protestors is not favorable. I cannot
imagine people with so much time on their hands, for one thing, and I certainly cannot see them involving their children, or dogs for that matter, in what I would be afraid could escalate into a violent situation.

That said, I have always gotten a bit unnerved when people want to
ignore the US Constitution. There is that pesky little right to assemble
amendment. After 8 years of the current administration, I realize many
people have gotten relatively used to the idea of ignoring our basic
rights, for a variety of excuses. But, old fashion as I may be, I think they actually matter.

US Citizens have a right to gather and protest as long as they do not
resort to violence. That applies to organizations and individuals I disagree with, and to nutcases, as long as they are not violent.

I do feel for the neighbors. I do not feel for the Anthony's, not anymore. But that doesn't change my core beliefs either way.

I don't feel for the Anthony's either.. I think in some instances they make it worse... Why does Cindy constantly have to go and adjust the tape, pound more stakes weed the"front yard".. She doesn't!!
She does it because she knows what will happen and I think she loves the attention. I think she enjoys the battles and the arguing. I think she "misses" being in the spot light and having her say like she did when she was on all the talk shows. So this is her way of getting on NG, the nightly news ect. Her only way right now!!

If she didn't want the arguing, ect. She could stay in her house or go to her back yard. they have body guards that can walk the trash out pound a stake or two...
She doesn't need to be out there!!


IMHO

[margaritaville]

Well I don't feel like she should have to pound trespassing stakes back into the ground daily either ,they should be left in tact as they were placed when they were first pounded into the ground. And that their signs are respected instead of being kicked and tossed about by the animals that invade their home daily.

I also feel like the Anthony's should not be prisoners in their own home, and how do you know she doesn't go and weed in her backyard as well as the front yard ?


I imagine the anthony's are stressed about anyone who have made them a target ,I imagine they worry day and night that ones with such hate may bomb their home and set fire to it ,so they are constantly having to be on guard and scrutinize everything ....



The Anthonys are dealing with enough grief already ........WHAT are people thinking ,why can;t people see what kind of a position they have been put in ..........it scares me that people do not have the ability to realise and see what kind of nightmare position they are in.....


Ofcourse they love their daughter Casey ,you can not judge them for that , ofcourse they love Caylee , certainly people should be able to realise and comprhend that the love they have for both their daughter and grandaughter has put them in such a nightmarish position.


To say that Cindy is loving this publicity to me is incomprhensible ..........I know that she probably loveed the chance she got to call all the protestors maggost and parasites and I could not agree with her more ............I do not support Casey and the way she has acyed ,lied etcetera ,but I fully support her parents who have acted with more dignity over all this then I ever could ...........May God grant them the strength to face the rest of what this cruel world subjects unto them.


Well see I guess that is just a difference of opinions..You have yours I have mine...

Yeah we all wish we lived in this perfect world were everyone treated everyone else with respect. But since we know we don't, is is time the Anthony's get a clue. If they want these people to stop, quit giving them ammunition. So what if some protester pulls out a stake?! Cindy can have Casey's body guard put it back in. She doesn't need to go prancing out there and do it!! Just to get a rise out of the protesters!!


As far as being prisoners in their own home..they did that to themselves. The minute they "didn't" set up searches for Caylee!!
Had they done that these "parasites" would be out searching with them to find Caylee. Why do you think these people are so upset with the Grandparents? Because they threw Caylee under the bus so they could protect and coddle Casey. If instead they were out conducting searches and heading up search parties they would have support.

What do you mean they don't know where to look? Cindy told us we need to get off our AZZ's and find Caylee!! Why doesn't she????????
She has yet to look for her......Not once has she gone out looking for her. She instead is at home baking brownies with Casey for her lawyer...

Poor Caylee the forgotten one in the Anthony home....So sad!
Innocent and defenseless in life and death...........:rose: for Caylee


All My Opinion!!

[Shellberry]

judge denies injunction request from HOA.

you have to scroll down to middle of page (http://www.wftv.com/news/17483047/detail.html)

[margaritaville]

Are you sure cindy wasn;t generlising herself when she said tot he world & Law enforcement who was attacking her to get off their butts and start looking , " MEANING LOOK for other possibilities besides the only one they currently were thinking " That CASEY was the culprit and that the Anthony's themselves knew where Caylee could be found .

Thats the WAY I took her statments , that they need to look elsewhere instead of the direction they were intent on focusing .


Do you really truly beleive those grandparents are not and were not concerned about Caylee , REALLY beleive that ,I think if most TRULY could try and place themselves in the anthonys horrible predicament ,the entirety of it and forget their anger for a minute they would see its too much for anyone to endure and this is why I have great sympathy for that whole family.

My honest opinion....No I do not....I think they know Caylee is dead and all they are concerned with is Casey...

Our dog was stolen last spring and I tell you for 3 days until he was found we searched high and low.I didn't go to work, we had every family member, friend out searching. We had no idea where to begin. No clue. we started in our neighborhood and worked out from there. We concurred 6 different cities around us. I hardly slept I was terrified of what these kids were doing/or could do to him. We were lucky because of our searches/fliers/ ect. he was found and fine.
But I feel it is really sad these grandparents have not once searched for Caylee, or set up a search for her..Nothing, Nada, zilch..
To me that speaks volumes....
MOO

[HANNAH ROSE]

I am just astonished that people, strangers, have the gall to walk up to someone's front door and demand answers to where this missing child is. Never in a million years would I consider being so irrational.

I understand that people are upset. It's an upsetting situation. But these protestors have formed a mob mentality which, IMO, is just inches away from getting completely out of hand and LE should enforce some type of barrier other than yellow tape and pickets. Allowing this to go on is NOT going to make anyone give up more information than they already have.

I don't disagree that the Anthonys have went about this entire thing the wrong way. The crying and pleading has turned into accusing and finger pointing at LE and anyone who offered to help (Equisearch). They have essentially created this chaos themselves BUT it does not give anyone the right to trespass and threaten the family as they are doing.

Unless something is done to quell the throngs of people camped out in front of the Anthony house I can only imagine what some lunatic will do. Vandalism, arson, any number of tactics that some crazy will use to make themselves feel like they've contributed to the investigation in some way.

JMO

[museumgirl]

While I do understand the outrage of people who genuinely would be concerned about their children/grandchildren ~ or children in general, I agree that rational people would NOT be getting in these peoples face. If they truly want to help, they could find another way to do it.

These people who are being very in-you-face are looking for their faces to end up on TV.

Other than the woman who also had a missing child.... she might have just been overcome w/emotions of thinking of all she went through and didn't have the media coverage that Caylee was getting and yet her family is doing nothing to help find their child.... I'm sure her emotions drive her actions.

[Shellberry]

I am just astonished that people, strangers, have the gall to walk up to someone's front door and demand answers to where this missing child is. Never in a million years would I consider being so irrational.

I understand that people are upset. It's an upsetting situation. But these protestors have formed a mob mentality which, IMO, is just inches away from getting completely out of hand and LE should enforce some type of barrier other than yellow tape and pickets. Allowing this to go on is NOT going to make anyone give up more information than they already have.

I don't disagree that the Anthonys have went about this entire thing the wrong way. The crying and pleading has turned into accusing and finger pointing at LE and anyone who offered to help (Equisearch). They have essentially created this chaos themselves BUT it does not give anyone the right to trespass and threaten the family as they are doing.

Unless something is done to quell the throngs of people camped out in front of the Anthony house I can only imagine what some lunatic will do. Vandalism, arson, any number of tactics that some crazy will use to make themselves feel like they've contributed to the investigation in some way.

JMO

omg-the gall of these people! rock throwing? and they had the nerve to walk up to the house shine lights in the windows and knock on the door?
man-I hope someone comes forward to tell the police who they are.
that one girl with the pink shirt looked about 15 or 16.


I agree-one of these days someone is going to flip their lid in front of the anthonys house and hurt one of them or an innocent person.
someone will take it upon themselves to 'serve justice' by firing a gun and trying to get a shot in at one of them.


crazy just crazy- Im appalled already with all this.
imo/jmo

[Wok Inn]

I think someone should organize a group of people to protest the protesters. :cool:

[farrahrani]

I'm really sick of seeing obese women and shirtless men screaming and ranting outside of the Anthony home.

I don't believe for one moment these are normal people with a heartfelt concern for a missing girl. These are losers who are angry at their lot in life, and are finally grateful to be able to scream and wag their fingers at a bigger loser than they are. Unbelievable, that poor boy writhing in the street with a hurt arm they didn't care about. I guess is you're the lowest of the low, it's a pleasure to find someone society deems lower that you can wag your finger at.


:beer:
You summed it up so much better than I ever could have.

[MoonHarvest]

After seeing the latest showdown between the A's and the protesters: they all turn my stomach. One is just as bad as the others.barf

[Squeekie]

While my personal opinion of the protestors is not favorable. I cannot
imagine people with so much time on their hands, for one thing, and I certainly cannot see them involving their children, or dogs for that matter, in what I would be afraid could escalate into a violent situation.

That said, I have always gotten a bit unnerved when people want to
ignore the US Constitution. There is that pesky little right to assemble
amendment. After 8 years of the current administration, I realize many
people have gotten relatively used to the idea of ignoring our basic
rights, for a variety of excuses. But, old fashion as I may be, I think they actually matter.

US Citizens have a right to gather and protest as long as they do not
resort to violence. That applies to organizations and individuals I disagree with, and to nutcases, as long as they are not violent.

I do feel for the neighbors. I do not feel for the Anthony's, not anymore. But that doesn't change my core beliefs either way.

This I agree with. In addition, as bad as I feel for the neighbors, if the protesters go away, so does some of the attention on this case. As nutty as some of them are, I do believe they're keeping Caylee and this family fresh in the media.

[HANNAH ROSE]

While they have a right to assemble.. don't they need to buy a license to do so? Plus they're treading on private property and causing a public disturbance.

[NatalieB]

I'll tell you what, I am not fan of the Anthonys, but NO ONE deserves to be treated the way they've been treated. We are not a society of vigilante justice. If that's the system protesters want, perhaps the United State of America is not somewhere they should live.

This is getting so far out of hand that it's beyond pathetic, IMO.

This should play out in our justice system, not on our streets.

[NatalieB]

While they have a right to assemble.. don't they need to buy a license to do so? Plus they're treading on private property and causing a public disturbance.

I don't have the link at hand, but I read the other day that you only need a permit if your protest will hamper or block traffic.

[HANNAH ROSE]

I don't have the link at hand, but I read the other day that you only need a permit if your protest will hamper or block traffic.


http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=Policies%2F6.2.18.pdf&tabid=233&mid=1805


B. Permit Requirement
1. No person(s) shall stage, promote, conduct, engage in, participate in, aid,
form, advertise or start any public assembly on a public right of way that is
attended, calculated to be attended, or is reasonably expected to be
attended at any one time by one hundred (100) or more people, unless a
public assembly permit has been obtained from the Board of County
Commissioners in accordance with County Code 21-106.

C. Public Property Assemblies
3. If there is no valid permit, the participants should be advised that they are
subject to arrest. If the participants refuse to disburse the deputy(s) should
take appropriate law enforcement action.



So it looks to me as though if the group reaches 100 or more people then a permit for public assembly is needed. Unless I read it incorrectly. :shrug:

[J.D.]

I'm really sick of seeing obese women and shirtless men

Agreed. Shirtless women and obese men is one thing but obese women and shirtless men barf

[MoonHarvest]

Someone said the Anthony's are just as bad as the protestors.


I can't believe that anyone feels the Anthony's should sit back and let people shine lights in thier windows , bang on their front door at 1:30 A.M in the morning.


The problem is LE , they need to step in and stop all protesting at the anthony home . Peaceful protesting with no inciting comments is allowed , however the protestors have proven they can not do the protest legally , a few have spoiled it for all .....TOO BAD , that is the way it goes .


I would not want to wonder every night whether someone were going to set fire to my home , bomb it or other , the protestors are crazeee , and this last bunch are obviously coming from some bar or something .


That guy that was waving to George saying bye bye georgie and instigating .....I would love to see George break all his fingers , the way these people are acting are sick .



I think SOON the protests are going to be banned due to the threatening nature they have portrayed and it won't be a moment too soon.

That would be me:seeya:In my opinion when they go at protesters with ham-mers, baseball bats, water hoses, name calling, incessant screaming...ect, then they have sunk to the same level.

[HANNAH ROSE]

If they would have one cop just sitting in the street in his patrol car for the overnight hours, I bet the protesters would go away.
jmo


They wouldn't go away but I'll betcha $1,000,000 that they wouldn't cross that yellow tape or throw things at the house!

[NatalieB]

http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=Policies%2F6.2.18.pdf&tabid=233&mid=1805


B. Permit Requirement
1. No person(s) shall stage, promote, conduct, engage in, participate in, aid,
form, advertise or start any public assembly on a public right of way that is
attended, calculated to be attended, or is reasonably expected to be
attended at any one time by one hundred (100) or more people, unless a
public assembly permit has been obtained from the Board of County
Commissioners in accordance with County Code 21-106.

C. Public Property Assemblies
3. If there is no valid permit, the participants should be advised that they are
subject to arrest. If the participants refuse to disburse the deputy(s) should
take appropriate law enforcement action.



So it looks to me as though if the group reaches 100 or more people then a permit for public assembly is needed. Unless I read it incorrectly. :shrug:

Well, I'm not sure the article I read the other day was specific to Orange County, so IMO, this should be more accurate. Thanks for finding the link.

[MoonHarvest]

Better yet, if the protesters never got a rise out of the A's they would probably get bored and eventually leave.

[HANNAH ROSE]

Better yet, if the protesters never got a rise out of the A's they would probably get bored and eventually leave.


No, they'd attack. That's what these people want is a reaction. They're like bullies on a playground just waiting for their target to get fed up and strike back.

[HANNAH ROSE]

EXACTLY, they are inciting and pushing , seeing HOW MUCH the anthony's can take , its so disgusting . And yes they want a reaction alright ,but not just verbal , they want more .These protestors need to be arrested, the ones in which who have verbally as well as physically threatened the anthony's , we've all heard it , how do they get away with physically threatening them !


If George would have taken his hammer to that guy ,I could not have blamed him . ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !


Know what I'd do if someone was banging on my front door at all hours of the night? Buy a nice big can of mace and mace 'em on my doorstep. Personal property after all. Fear for safety and all that. :D

[NatalieB]

Exactly. Why can we think this up, and LE can't?

It's just a guess, but for starters, they might not want to pay to man the protest. More to the point however, and it's only my opinion, they might not want to do anything to really help the Anthonys. They've been the blunt of many of the Anthony's attacks, so I'd bet, they're not real sympathetic to their plight. It's almost like biting the hand that feeds you, so to speak.

I'd bet since it's becoming more physical, they probably are starting to view this in another light. They don't want to be held accountable on down the road if something were to happen (death or whatnot). I'm not sure if they could be held liable or not, but it would appear that they should be well aware that the possibility exists. Perhaps turning a blind eye could be viewed as some sort of liability? I would think the fact that the courts have turned down the injunction would work in their favor, but would it be enough to keep a suit from going forward? I'm not sure it would (though again, it's only a guess on my part).

I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night and I don't pretend to be an attorney online. :D

[NatalieB]

No, they'd attack. That's what these people want is a reaction. They're like bullies on a playground just waiting for their target to get fed up and strike back.

I agree, well where last night is concerned anyway. Cindy could have well went inside the other night, but she chose another route.

Last night however, to have someone taking a bat to your garage door, shining lights in your windows, and tossing rocks at your house. That's a bit much to ask someone to ignore. They did originally call LE, but what did it really get them?

[HANNAH ROSE]

Regardless of how the Anthony's have behaved they're still citizens and are entitled to the same basic protection that anyone has and LE should consider that. If someone DOES get hurt or worse then what's keeping LE from being sued when they KNEW all of this was going on?

[ALL RISE]

Regardless of how the Anthony's have behaved they're still citizens and are entitled to the same basic protection that anyone has and LE should consider that. If someone DOES get hurt or worse then what's keeping LE from being sued when they KNEW all of this was going on?


I don't feel one bit sorry for the Anthony's. Only that they have lost their granddaughter and they just don't get it. Worst case of denial I've ever seen! Why don't they have a brain in their head to play dead; don't come out; then these idiots won't bite if there is nothing to bite at.

I feel sorry for all of the neighbors that have to go thru this and endure this. Especially the neighborhood children. What a shame. And that poor little boy whom I'm betting had his arm broken. Cuz his mum was too much of a busybody and should take care of her own business.

All the while, Casey, in the house on the phone with the police. Well!? Didn't take her long at all to call them when its her parents now did it?!

[HANNAH ROSE]

I don't feel one bit sorry for the Anthony's. Only that they have lost their granddaughter and they just don't get it. Worst case of denial I've ever seen! Why don't they have a brain in their head to play dead; don't come out; then these idiots won't bite if there is nothing to bite at.

I feel sorry for all of the neighbors that have to go thru this and endure this. Especially the neighborhood children. What a shame. And that poor little boy whom I'm betting had his arm broken. Cuz his mum was too much of a busybody and should take care of her own business.

All the while, Casey, in the house on the phone with the police. Well!? Didn't take her long at all to call them when its her parents now did it?!

I don't "feel sorry" for them. But as hated as they are they still have basic rights.

[ALL RISE]

I don't "feel sorry" for them. But as hated as they are they still have basic rights.
You have to feel for someone who can't see the forest thru the trees and when and if the truth sets in, these people are going to be reeling!
That's why I feel sorry for them; only in that respect.

And you're right and kind to point out they have basic rights...and so does the residents of the subdivision....oh! Those poor poor people!

[ALL RISE]

You have to feel for someone who can't see the forest thru the trees and when and if the truth sets in, these people are going to be reeling!
That's why I feel sorry for them; only in that respect.

And you're right and kind to point out they have basic rights...and so does the residents of the subdivision....oh! Those poor poor people!


And.....when people are throwing stuff at your house. So whats the law in Fla about protecting your property?! Varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction....

[johnielee333]

the protesters that are not following the rules of protesting
should not be allowed to protest. they should be stopped by LE.

[ALL RISE]

the protesters that are not following the rules of protesting
should not be allowed to protest. they should be stopped by LE.
imagine having to live in that neighborhood?! The judge that reissued a request for a restraining order re the protesters should take a good look and grant it. A total waste of taxpayers money having to call out the police time after time...to respond to the nutz falling from the trees....and I found it extremely interesting and eyebrow lifting that Casey Anthony didn't hesitate to call the police re the protesters...but her daughter.....notta..........................

[johnielee333]

yes i agree. casey sure could pick up the phone to call 911 on the protesters
but NOT call 911 when sweet little Caylee went missing.
i hope they use that 911 call against her in court.

[cantstandnuts]

I have never really thought protesting was doing any good, but at least in the beginning it was peaceful. Now, it's getting so out of hand that someone is bound to get seriously hurt. The little boy the other day whose arm got slammed in the car door is just one example of how out of control things can get very quickly and in his case, nobody was trying to hurt him, he just got in the way. So, it may not be that anyone purposely hurts anyone else, but this kind of riot like situation cannot possibly lead to anything but harm at this point. I hope to God nobody is killed, but this just continues to escalate and it's not inconceivable that it could end up with someone losing a life. It's truly pathetic and I would be petrified if I were the Anthony's.

[ALL RISE]

lets hope the court decides that these protesters, peaceful or otherwise get their 15 minutes of fame on that vacant 'lot' we heard about last nite on Nancy Grace some place else in the sub. Oh! The Anthony's poor poor neighbors. I think they would be smart to take their daughter and temporarily relocate where these nudnicks won't find out their whereabouts.

I agree with you; I sincerely hope no one is killed or hurt. The little boy was enough of enough and no more should be allowed.

[cantstandnuts]

Personally, I couldn't care less about the
Anthony's. I was sympathetic to George and Cindy in the beginning,
but that is long past. I don't want to see anyone killed, certainly,
and I feel bad for the neighbors and the kids dragged their by their
parents. But, again, if Casey wasn't there, I bet the protests would
end. George and Cindy had to know, certainly by this last bail out, that things were not going to improve when Casey ot home.

So, again, I'll say the easy way to stop this is kick her out.
But, instead they'll allow themselves and their neighbors to put up
with this to protect a murderer. Nope, couldn't care less what they
are putting up with.

I still have sympathy for the Anthony's. They've behaved in a way most of us would never imagine throughout this whole mess, but I believe they really love Caylee and had nothing to do with what's happened. And that they are in denial and are feeling a pain I could never imagine. That makes them victims IMO, humans who are in pain. I don't have to like what they're doing or how they're handling things to be able to sympathize with where they find themselves, even if because of themselves, that's where they are.

They could kick her out, but I don't think that will make the protesters go away, not now. People hate Cindy and George as much as they hate Casey and since Cindy and George have engaged in, if not fueled the drama, people will stick around and bait them to keep it going...maybe even get famous in the process, right?
This has become a sick sort of entertainment and that's so incredibly sad.
I just wish someone would find Caylee. :(

[Pag Boi]

:rose: for both of you. Outstanding posts.

ITA SS. Sadly, I find some of the antics of posters (writing the nursing boards and badgering the bank, etc) are cyber versions of those protesters. I hope this new form of 'vigilante justice' is limited to this case.

[charm7]

My 2 cents about the protesters..........

On one hand I do not agree with the behaviour of most of them, I wish they would just quietly walk up and down with their signs.

I do want the Anthony's to realize this is not going away until their daughter comes clean.

I also think alot of the time Cindy eggs them on.......like pulling weeds in the evenings? :shrug:

[NatalieB]

snip
I disagree , Cindy is allowed to pull weeds in the evening , especially to get out of the mid day heat of the sun ! I think Cindy has handled herself exceptionally WELL , in spite of all that she is dealing with , George too ....

I certainly don't agree that Cindy has handled herself well when it comes to any part of this investigation, but she most definitely is entitled to pull weeds out of her lawn if she so desires, WITHOUT the possibility of a war breaking out.

That doesn't mean I think she should, though. She has to know it incites anger in others, so IMO, she probably does engage in this type of behavior to egg it on a bit.

[Hey Paula]

My 2 cents about the protesters..........

On one hand I do not agree with the behaviour of most of them, I wish they would just quietly walk up and down with their signs.

I do want the Anthony's to realize this is not going away until their daughter comes clean.

I also think alot of the time Cindy eggs them on.......like pulling weeds in the evenings? :shrug:

It's hot and muggy in Florida during the daytime, especially in the summer. So, I can understand why Cindy would choose to pull weeds when the sun goes down. She should be able to use, clean and maintain her house at will.

IMO

[charm7]

*****I do want the Anthony's to realize this is not going away until their daughter comes clean.*****


See I don't think people THINK before speaking or writing I should say... When you say the Anthonys' ( George & Cindy need to realise , this is not going away till Casey comes clean ) I have to ask , what do YOU think THEY can do to make her TALK ...TORTURE ? Its not realistic for anyone to think Casey is going to TALK , not right now ! And most certainly its not going to happen because people threw rocks at her parents house or other ...it will only happen if they present HARD DNA evidence and she is charged with murder and her Attorney talks her into TALKING ....Not until then.

*****I also think alot of the time Cindy eggs them on.......like pulling weeds in the evenings? :shrug*****


I disagree , Cindy is allowed to pull weeds in the evening , especially to get out of the mid day heat of the sun ! I think Cindy has handled herself exceptionally WELL , in spite of all that she is dealing with , George too ....

And your titled to your opinion which I wholeheartly disagree with :biggrin:

[charm7]

It's hot and muggy in Florida during the daytime, especially in the summer. So, I can understand why Cindy would choose to pull weeds when the sun goes down. She should be able to use, clean and maintain her house at will.

IMO


I can only say to you, if it was my grandaughter missing maintaining my yard would be my very last priority!
Casey is a distraction and if she was still in jail the protesters would go away and the Anthonys could focus on finding Caylee / facing reality MOO

[HANNAH ROSE]

I haven't heard of a person here who's ever been in this situation. Your grandchild is missing, presumably dead, and your child is the prime suspect. For months you've been begging for help, defending your child, when all the while you have a gut feeling that everything is very, very, wrong but you don't know how to fix it.

Her daughter has been arrested and is top suspect in the disappearance. The media is bashing your family, protestors are camped outside of your home 24/7 accusing you of horrible things, confronting you on your own property and getting directly in your face.

If Cindy wants to pull weeds to get out of the house, to try to clear her mind, and provide some kind of distraction, to help her think, let her. Being cooped up inside with a daughter who could apparently care less and a husband who's probably a ticking time bomb right now would drive me to find some kind of outlet myself.

[HANNAH ROSE]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26787642

Guardian Angels Patrol Anthony Home

[museumgirl]

I think the silent protesting would probably get further.... this way they are just antagonizing and therefore making the Anthony's all more defensive.... that isn't helping!

[HANNAH ROSE]

I agree that a more organized gathering with perhaps a minister would be much less antagonistic. People gathered for evenings of prayer and perhaps conversation rather than threats would probably be recieved better.

[Katprint]

I agree that a more organized gathering with perhaps a minister would be much less antagonistic. People gathered for evenings of prayer and perhaps conversation rather than threats would probably be recieved better.
I don't think that the individual protesters can be forced to participate in an organized protest, particularly not a religious one. It's not like the local southern baptist church is sending its members over to the Anthony home; these are individual people who make up their own mind to show up at the Anthony house. I can tell you from personal experience living next to Berkeley, CA - possibly the Pointless Protest Capitol of the World - that there are some people who just like to protest. Some people like to use "protesting" as an excuse for bad behavior, kind of like people who enjoy bar fights or who attack gay people or homeless people for the fun of it. I don't understand why it's fun, but they seem to think so...

I think the Orange County Commissioner Linda Stewart's idea of a temporary curfew is probably the best way to bring this situation back under control. I think a reasonable time/place/manner restriction along the lines of no public gatherings (regardless of viewpoint i.e. neither candlight vigils supporting the Anthonys nor protests condemning the Anthonys) between the hours of 10 pm and 6 am would probably pass legal muster.

Katprint
Who wonders whether the increasingly unpleasant penny-throwing protesters over at the Anthony house may
include some of the biting, poo-flinging treesitters recently displaced from the landscaping trees planted by UC Berkeley.
Always only my own opinions

[Katprint]

Right. I hope they can do the curfew for the sake of the neighbors. I was just kidding about the choir director: no need to turn this into a religious event.
I was just thinking if there are a few people experienced with organizing came with candles for everyone it might calm things down - and, as I said, others might feel like joining. It would be so much more powerful than screaming nutcases.
I agree it would be a more meaningful protest, but an organized protest at a reasonable hour will do nothing to stop the nutcases who use "protesting" as an excuse to raise hell at 1:30 am. IMO, they should impose a temporary curfew or else require protesters to get protesting permits (because the protests are happening on public property which can be regulated by the public entity that owns it.) Then, the police can order anyone in violation of the curfew, or who doesn't have a permit, or who is in violation of the terms of the permit (no violence or threats of violence, no trespassing, no shouting or amplified sound etc.) to leave, and can arrest them if they return.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[totallyBARD]

Maybe they cannot force her to come clean, but they can stop
making it so easy for her not to. Sorry to repeat myself, yet again,
but kicking her out and deciding to co-operate with LE, instead of
trying to cover up the murder would help. Even if you don't believe any of them are involved in the actual body disposal, a fact I'm no longer
convinced of, you KNOW they are covering for her. A nurse and
retired cop that can't tell the odor of decomposition from a bad
Pizza? Right. If Casey had no place to live I'm pretty sure her bail
would be revoked. If I'm wrong on that, it might still leave her with no
other options. I doubt her "friends" are going to be lining up to offer
her a place to stay.

As for Cindy handling herself well, I couldn't disagree more. I think her
behavior has been appalling. Scott Peterson's parents, the former
King and Queen of Denial, handled themselves with far more class than
the Anthony's. I don't think anyone would question Cindy's right
pull weeds when she chooses, the question is, does she really need to? Of course not. She proved herself early on to be a major media *****
and I suspect she misses it to some wierd degree. This is a very,
very strange family we're talking about here.

I agree totally. I think it's time for this Casey to come clean about the whereabouts of what now appears to be her deceased daughter. I have no idea what caused the little girl's apparent death, but we know this mother has lied so much to police, and now her family is enabling her. If they would take a tough love approach to their daughter about their granddaughter they have raised, maybe Casey would suddenly remember something truthful.

The media circus and protestors are a menace to the neighborhood and police should put a stop to it, as it is disturbing the peace of everyone else on that street.

What a very strange family indeed!

[TxLady2]

I agree that Cindy should not have touched the child, for her own safety.... but she could have at least acknowledged his pain and his crying. As could the mother and the two passengers of the mothers car.....

At least people who saw that video were outraged enough to call and turn the mother in. That's good to know.


The Amish are a completely different situation.... they had resolution to their tragedy. The man who was responsible was known and they knew everything right up front. They opened their hearts to that mans family because they were victims too.

Yeah, it could be said that Cindy & George are victims... but at the same time.... what have they really done to garner sympathy???? Nothing in my eyes. They have treated people trying to find Caylee like crap, they have stopped focusing on Caylee and are completely set on taking care of Casey.

I agree with your last statement, to an extent. However... Casey is their daughter and I feel that they don't have much choice now. The rest of the world is against her already... how would it look if her whole family turned against her?
People are forgetting that Casey has not even been charged with homicide yet, much less convicted. And one condition of her bail is that she is in her place of residence, which is her parents' home. If these people want to protest, they should go do it at the courthouse or the judge's home... where they would promptly be arrested, I'm sure.

[TxLady2]

While my personal opinion of the protestors is not favorable. I cannot
imagine people with so much time on their hands, for one thing, and I certainly cannot see them involving their children, or dogs for that matter, in what I would be afraid could escalate into a violent situation.

That said, I have always gotten a bit unnerved when people want to
ignore the US Constitution. There is that pesky little right to assemble
amendment. After 8 years of the current administration, I realize many
people have gotten relatively used to the idea of ignoring our basic
rights, for a variety of excuses. But, old fashion as I may be, I think they actually matter.

US Citizens have a right to gather and protest as long as they do not
resort to violence. That applies to organizations and individuals I disagree with, and to nutcases, as long as they are not violent.

I do feel for the neighbors. I do not feel for the Anthony's, not anymore. But that doesn't change my core beliefs either way.

Well... I think they HAVE resorted to violence. I would call it that when they "protest" at 1:00 in the morning, throw rocks at their doors and windows, and bang on their garage. Shoving either one of the Anthonys would also fall into that category, as well as screaming insults about them and their daughter, and making threats to them.
And if we want to talk about our rights under the Constitution... how about that pesky little right that says Casey has the right to be bonded out of jail.. since she is not yet charged with murder and certainly is not convicted... except in the public eye?
There is one aspect of this protesting that is very clear. It has not helped toward finding Caylee and that should be the objective, not whose rights are being trampled. I bet little Caylee would be very upset if she knew her grandparents and her mommy were being violated in such a way.

[TxLady2]

Agreed. Shirtless women and obese men is one thing but obese women and shirtless men barf

:beer: Good one!!!

[TxLady2]

I still have sympathy for the Anthony's. They've behaved in a way most of us would never imagine throughout this whole mess, but I believe they really love Caylee and had nothing to do with what's happened. And that they are in denial and are feeling a pain I could never imagine. That makes them victims IMO, humans who are in pain. I don't have to like what they're doing or how they're handling things to be able to sympathize with where they find themselves, even if because of themselves, that's where they are.

They could kick her out, but I don't think that will make the protesters go away, not now. People hate Cindy and George as much as they hate Casey and since Cindy and George have engaged in, if not fueled the drama, people will stick around and bait them to keep it going...maybe even get famous in the process, right?
This has become a sick sort of entertainment and that's so incredibly sad.
I just wish someone would find Caylee. :(

No, they can't kick her out, she has noplace to go. The judge ordered that she had to go to her parent's. The sensible thing to do would be that Casey call the SD and tell them to come take her back to jail because her being there is endangering her parents. SHE is ultimately what is causing this protesting anyway.
I've read other places, a lot of people suggest that the A's should stay inside their house and not come out to confront them. I don't agree, because it's their home and they have more right to be in their front yard and their driveway than the protestors do. I'll be damned if I would give in and give them the satisfaction! And I would have done more than hose them down, I would have been swinging that bat at their dumb heads! They have every right to protect their property.
What it is coming down to is that George is going to go ballistic one day and end up killing somebody.

[TxLady2]

I certainly don't agree that Cindy has handled herself well when it comes to any part of this investigation, but she most definitely is entitled to pull weeds out of her lawn if she so desires, WITHOUT the possibility of a war breaking out.

That doesn't mean I think she should, though. She has to know it incites anger in others, so IMO, she probably does engage in this type of behavior to egg it on a bit.


So she shouldn't do anything at all as long as it incites their anger??? Come on... who cares? Are you saying they should give up everything they care about just so it doesn't incite someone's anger? It's not the protestors' home... it's Cindy's home!!! I disagree that they should be held hostage inside until this nightmare is over. Let them try to have as much of a normal life as possible. God knows their whole life has been turned upside down by their selfish daughter!

[TxLady2]

Caylee was murdered by her mother, whether it was 1st. 2nd. degree
or manslaughter, and her grandparents are protecting her killer. I would think she might just be a tad upset by that myself.

When I posted, the rocks hadn't been thrown. IF that's true, I would
think they could be arrested for vandalism, which is entirely different
than peaceful protest. However, IF is the key word. I no longer believe
one word that comes out the mouths of George, Cindy, Casey or
Lee.


Oh, I do understand, and I believe that Casey is guilty too. But she has not been charged yet, so she still has the right to be bonded out, and that's something the protestors are forgetting.
I realize that you posted what you did before the rocks had been thrown... did not mean to suggest otherwise. Sorry.

[NatalieB]

So she shouldn't do anything at all as long as it incites their anger??? Come on... who cares? Are you saying they should give up everything they care about just so it doesn't incite someone's anger? It's not the protestors' home... it's Cindy's home!!! I disagree that they should be held hostage inside until this nightmare is over. Let them try to have as much of a normal life as possible. God knows their whole life has been turned upside down by their selfish daughter!

Well, you're free to believe anything you'd like, but that's a hostile situation out there and it's just being egged on. They've hired people to guard them, people to install security, attorneys, attorneys, attorneys. I'd imagine they could hire a gardener for a short period of time with little trouble.

Isn't the back of the house completely closed in (backyard)? Why can't they just enjoy themselves there till things settle down? I mean, someone getting killed is not out of the question here. Is it worth that? Why would anyone confront any of the protesters? I can certainly understand why they'd WANT to do just that, but is it really the best course of action? If things go horribly wrong, will they wish they'd have done something differently?

No, they can't kick her out, she has noplace to go. The judge ordered that she had to go to her parent's.
snip

BTW, the Anthonys told the judge they'd allow Casey to stay at the house and she was released to their home because of that. The judge did not order the Anthonys to take Casey home. It's a right guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, so I really don't take issue with it, but IMO, you should get your facts straightened out a bit.

[Katprint]

I agree about the backyard. I was wondering that myself.

And I'm thinkig that the parents may have agreed to take Casey home because they thought they could find out what really happened if they had her there. Now they may feel sort of stuck with it. Next time LE takes her in they should say "please keep her - or find someplace else for her". <respectfully snipped>
They could do that on Monday if they wanted to. Just like the bond company can say, "We don't want to be responsible for her anymore" so can the Anthonys say, "We don't want her to live here anymore." Then Casey could collect donations from her many online supporters and put down a deposit on an apartment (I hear she's very familiar with The Sawgrass Apartments) or maybe one of them would be willing to give her a place to live or else maybe her attorney could negotiate a place for her to live in exchange for the book, film and TV rights to her "true story." Someplace with a security fence would probably be good.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Hey Paula]

No problem, and no dispute that she has the right to be bonded out.
However, her parents certainly have the right to refuse to let her stay
there and go back to jail. If they truly cared about finding out what
happened to Caylee and putting her to rest, I think that is what they
would do.

Perhaps they're thinking the only chance they have to learn about what happened to Caylee is if Casey talks to them, and she certainly wasn't talking to them when she was in jail. In fact, she refused family visits.

I believe Casey's parents love Caylee, and because Casey is their daughter, they love her too, even if they don't like the things she does. I don't think any one of us can accurately say what we would do if we were in their position, even though we think we know ourselves well. Believing Casey is believing Caylee is alive, and I have no doubt that's what this family wants to believe. Thankfully, I don't know how it feels to have a loved one go missing. However, in following cases of other missing persons/children, I noted the families never give up hope that their loved one is still alive. In this case, I think the feeling might be tenfold because the thought of Caylee dying while in their daughter's care is likely too dreadful to contemplate.

IMO

[NatalieB]

Perhaps they're thinking the only chance they have to learn about what happened to Caylee is if Casey talks to them, and she certainly wasn't talking to them when she was in jail. In fact, she refused family visits.

I believe Casey's parents love Caylee, and because Casey is their daughter, they love her too, even if they don't like the things she does. I don't think any one of us can accurately say what we would do if we were in their position, even though we think we know ourselves well. Believing Casey is believing Caylee is alive, and I have no doubt that's what this family wants to believe. Thankfully, I don't know how it feels to have a loved one go missing. However, in following cases of other missing persons/children, I noted the families never give up hope that their loved one is still alive. In this case, I think the feeling might be tenfold because the thought of Caylee dying while in their daughter's care is likely too dreadful to contemplate.

IMO

I'm starting to think think the Anthonys know that Caylee is no longer alive, but as you've said, they still love their daughter. I don't fault them for that in the least. I'd like to think I would stand beside my child, but not do anything that could be construed that I was condoning what they'd done. That's what I'd like to think anyway.

My only problem with the Anthonys is the way they've treated many people where this case is concerned. I gave the free pass till I saw Tim Miller on Nancy Grace. At that point, I just couldn't back them anymore.

That said, I do feel for them and I pray none of us ever have to walk a mile in their shoes. It can't be denied that this has to be the worst thing that entire family has ever had to deal with. They just seem to be making it worse, though.

What they are doing is in line with human nature. You know how you can say something bad about a member of your family, but when an outsider says something about a loved one, it's an entirely different ball of wax? I think this is exactly why they come off so defensive.

[Wok Inn]

I certainly don't agree that Cindy has handled herself well when it comes to any part of this investigation, but she most definitely is entitled to pull weeds out of her lawn if she so desires, WITHOUT the possibility of a war breaking out.

That doesn't mean I think she should, though. She has to know it incites anger in others, so IMO, she probably does engage in this type of behavior to egg it on a bit.


When should she do her weeding then? Aren't there protesters out there pretty much all day? I think she's trying to live a normally as possible.

[Hey Paula]

I'm starting to think think the Anthonys know that Caylee is no longer alive, but as you've said, they still love their daughter. I don't fault them for that in the least. I'd like to think I would stand beside my child, but not do anything that could be construed that I was condoning what they'd done. That's what I'd like to think anyway.

My only problem with the Anthonys is the way they've treated many people where this case is concerned. I gave the free pass till I saw Tim Miller on Nancy Grace. At that point, I just couldn't back them anymore.

That said, I do feel for them and I pray none of us ever have to walk a mile in their shoes. It can't be denied that this has to be the worst thing that entire family has ever had to deal with. They just seem to be making it worse, though.

What they are doing is in line with human nature. You know how you can say something bad about a member of your family, but when an outsider says something about a loved one, it's an entirely different ball of wax? I think this is exactly why they come off so defensive.

I keep going back to the night Cindy called LE to have Casey arrested because she didn't produce Caylee. That bold move convinced me of where Cindy's priorities were, and that was with Caylee. I don't think Cindy could have imagined Casey could/would cause Caylee's demise, and if it was her intent to harbor Casey for doing so, why would she call LE and make them aware Caylee was missing?

I think Cindy reacted to Tim Miller that way because she felt/knew he wasn't looking for a live Caylee.

Ever since the "protesters" arrived on the scene, they've made a bad situation worse. They are not helping Caylee. Instead, they have placed the focus on themselves, disrupted the lives of the neighbors, created a dangerous environment for themselves, their children and the Anthony family, and have ensured that Casey will get a COV, if not further impeded the process of justice. Even after Casey was rearrested and in jail, the "protesters" still appeared at the Anthonys' house. If they want Casey in jail, why not protest at either the courthouse or the OCSO?

IMO

[Joan Weiss]

<snip>Perhaps those people with all that time on their hands should get a job and get off the welfare rolls. They could also enroll in college or adult night school to help them get that job. ;)You're wrong. Putting negative labels on people who are exercising their civil rights is wrong. imo

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey1908sep19,0,7734566.story


"Some demonstrators are tourists or college students, but many are stay-at-home mothers from east Orange."

[Joan Weiss]

And making negative comments and labels on innocent GRANDPARENTS who have a right to exercise their own right to a peaceful existence who have their civil rights trampled all over, is what is wrong. If the media are calling to the morons of the world to come and harrass and trample the rights of the Anthony's then they need to be held responsible when something really horrible happens. Everyone needs to go home and mind their own business! What the Anthony's are dealing with is already enough to put them in their early grave. :flamemad:Everyone minding their own business is partly to blame for Caylee's disappearance, imo.

Morons? You missed my point completely. :rolleyes:

Oh, and the only person responsible for all of this is Casey Anthony. imo

[Cheri_G]

I don't believe that throwing things at the Anthony house, banging on their door in the middle of the night, screaming obscenities at them, attacking them both verbally and physically can or should be classed as "exercising their civil rights".

I think these people are nothing more than thugs and bullies and its the harrassment of this family and denying them and their neighbors their rights that is important to them as well as getting their mugs on tv and in newspapers for bragging rights. I don't believe they care one iota about finding Caylee and learning the truth about what happened to her.

[Joan Weiss]

I don't believe that throwing things at the Anthony house, banging on their door in the middle of the night, screaming obscenities at them, attacking them both verbally and physically can or should be classed as "exercising their civil rights".

I think these people are nothing more than thugs and bullies and its the harrassment of this family and denying them and their neighbors their rights that is important to them as well as getting their mugs on tv and in newspapers for bragging rights. I don't believe they care one iota about finding Caylee and learning the truth about what happened to her.So everyone standing out there is responsible for the actions of a few drunken louts? What was the lady with the dog doing when Lee took her sign and dumped her dog's water? Did I miss something?

Do you have a link stating that they are intent on "getting their mugs on tv and in newspapers for bragging rights," or is that just your opinion?

[TxLady2]

So everyone standing out there is responsible for the actions of a few drunken louts? What was the lady with the dog doing when Lee took her sign and dumped her dog's water? Did I miss something?

Do you have a link stating that they are intent on "getting their mugs on tv and in newspapers for bragging rights," or is that just your opinion?

It's not the peaceful protestors that we object to, but they are becoming fewer all the time. It's the bullies and the antagonizers that most of us are against. Unfortunately, these few peaceful protestors don't seem to get a lot of attention... the media is focusing on the other group, the ones who are there just to harrass and vandalize. And it is also unfortunate that the bullies are ruining the situation for the few who are exercising their rights in a calm and orderly manner.

[Cheri_G]

So everyone standing out there is responsible for the actions of a few drunken louts? What was the lady with the dog doing when Lee took her sign and dumped her dog's water? Did I miss something?

Do you have a link stating that they are intent on "getting their mugs on tv and in newspapers for bragging rights," or is that just your opinion?

I don't recall seeing the video footage of that particular situation so I can't answer your question about what that lady was doing if anything.

There are very few protestors who have not gone there and screamed vile things at George and Cindy. Why should these two people be harrassed in any manner? As far as I know they are not charged with any crimes in Caylee's disappearance or considered POI's.

The fact that I began with "I think" makes it rather obvious to most who can read that I was posting my thoughts/opinions.

[Hey Paula]

So everyone standing out there is responsible for the actions of a few drunken louts? What was the lady with the dog doing when Lee took her sign and dumped her dog's water? Did I miss something?

Do you have a link stating that they are intent on "getting their mugs on tv and in newspapers for bragging rights," or is that just your opinion?

Why did this person bring their dog, with its water bowl? I wonder where this dog did its business since this person obviously intended to be there for awhile with their pet? Do you think it's proper for these people to bring their pets, placing their water bowls on the grounds? I surely wouldn't want anyone doing this on my property, would you?

[Joan Weiss]

Why did this person bring their dog, with its water bowl? I wonder where this dog did its business since this person obviously intended to be there for awhile with their pet? Do you think it's proper for these people to bring their pets, placing their water bowls on the grounds? I surely wouldn't want anyone doing this on my property, would you?I'd say she brought her dog because she cares about it, more than Casey cared about Caylee. That's what her sign said. :shrug:

Her dog probably does it's business the same place everyone else's does when they take it out for a walk. I think it's perfectly OK to bring a pet, as long as it's well-behaved. Do you think pets should not go outside?

She was on public property. Any more questions?

imo

[Joan Weiss]

I don't recall seeing the video footage of that particular situation so I can't answer your question about what that lady was doing if anything.

There are very few protestors who have not gone there and screamed vile things at George and Cindy. Why should these two people be harrassed in any manner? As far as I know they are not charged with any crimes in Caylee's disappearance or considered POI's.

The fact that I began with "I think" makes it rather obvious to most who can read that I was posting my thoughts/opinions.How convenient. Maybe you should go find a link in the links sticky. It's good to be well-informed. ;)

"Very few?" I think that applies to the troublemakers. imo

[Joan Weiss]

It's not the peaceful protestors that we object to, but they are becoming fewer all the time. It's the bullies and the antagonizers that most of us are against. Unfortunately, these few peaceful protestors don't seem to get a lot of attention... the media is focusing on the other group, the ones who are there just to harrass and vandalize. And it is also unfortunate that the bullies are ruining the situation for the few who are exercising their rights in a calm and orderly manner.The media interviewed the woman with her dog. She wasn't a bully. They didn't, however, interview the REAL bully in that situation; Lee Anthony. How about that?

The media does what it does. That's their job.

No, it's not unfortunate for anyone but the Anthonys and their neighbors, since they can't stop the protesters. They can't stop traffic, either. imo

[Joan Weiss]

And making negative comments and labels on innocent GRANDPARENTS who have a right to exercise their own right to a peaceful existence who have their civil rights trampled all over, is what is wrong. If the media are calling to the morons of the world to come and harrass and trample the rights of the Anthony's then they need to be held responsible when something really horrible happens. Everyone needs to go home and mind their own business! What the Anthony's are dealing with is already enough to put them in their early grave. :flamemad:Guess we'll have to elect a dictator, and form the secret police squad. That'll shut everybody up. Think we can get guidance from China? They know how to nip that in the bud. imo

[Joan Weiss]

When should she do her weeding then? Aren't there protesters out there pretty much all day? I think she's trying to live a normally as possible.She should be out looking for her granddaughter. "Normal?" are you kidding? :eek:

imo

[Joan Weiss]

If this case were one of those that is totally ignored by the media, and totally ignored by LE, I could fully understand people becoming so very frustrated and angry that they are compelled to call attention to the problem with signs and dogs with water bowls. To try to get the attention of LE. Because some cases just are ignored and guilty people are allowed to go on as if nothing happened. Who knows why this happens, but it does.

This case is the exact opposite. LE has tried all they can, and have arrested Casey on numerous things and jailed her repeatedly and set her bail outrageously high, and the media has also carried this flag by putting this case front and center. This case is carried by ambulance chasing networks like Fox, and also by responsible media like CNN, with a headline every single day.

Protesters are not needed. All they're doing is listening to their own loud braying and enjoying their public anger. I read one comment from a protester that made me about fall out of my chair - imploring the Anthony's to come forward and stop wasting everyone's time. WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME? The protesters are wasting their OWN time, by their own choice because I guess there is nothing else they have to do than harass people who are at the end of their emotional ropes, due to nothing they have done themselves. They have backed the Anthonys in a corner, and like trapped animals, they are fighting back. Those poor grandparents. For God's sake, can you imagine being in their shoes? I can't. What a horror. If everyone would back off and give them some space, they would probably come to the conclusion that they can't bear to face - that Casey is guilty. As it is they spend 24/7 trying to literally defend their home from assault.

I don't see how anyone can think these protesters are doing anyone a shred of good -The Anthonys are wasting LE's time, imo. They're also wasting the searchers' time, not to mention Equusearch's resources. They know what happened to Caylee, imo.

[Joan Weiss]

I have followed this tragedy from it's inception and given the immense amount of media attention lavished upon these impeding access to Caylee's grandparents home, one is left to ponder whether or nt they are being supported financially by somebody who is benefiting from the trashy way they are behaving.
Nancy Grace comes to mind when one thinks about people who stir up the trash in these kinds of fiascos. :cool:This is a serious accusation. I haven't seen NG encourage ANY protesters. Please provide a link to prove that NG is paying protesters or encouraging them in any way.

[Cheri_G]

How convenient. Maybe you should go find a link in the links sticky. It's good to be well-informed. ;)

"Very few?" I think that applies to the troublemakers. imo

I tracked down the raw footage of this incident.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=649_1221120035 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=649_1221120035)

I do not see or hear anything that I think would justify making this into some huge deal classing Lee Anthony as some sort of evil demon, and crying moral outrage.

Neither Lee or the protestor raised their voices to each other. In fact their exchange was polite and civil. He wasn't asking this woman to leave or get rid of her sign. He was asking her to move, what appeared to be only a few inches, from where she sat onto the sidewalk.

I know that strip of grass between the sidewalk and road have been a point of issue as far as whether or not its considered public property. If it were me I probably wouldn't waste time worrying about whether or not people were on it and be content to have them off the main parcel.

I had expected to see him hysterical and out of control when he took the sign and dumped the water, thinking that must be why anyone would feel outraged about it, so I was a little surprised to see that he was neither of those things. Should Lee have bent the sign put it in a garbage can and dump the water? I don't think he needed to do that or should have. But I also don't think the situation should be blown out of proportion.

I also heard a reporter trying to incite a fight between Lee and the gentlemen that was yelling at him while he tried to put the sign in the garbage can. She said something to the effect of "Lee what are you going to do if he doesn't stop talking." I don't know.. maybe she just didn't think the days events had been exciting enough and was hoping for something much more sensational to report.

[Joan Weiss]

Well Joan, you seem to be able to quote media blah blah blah, but so far I'm still waiting for someone to answer my questions.

SNIP: In the first place, what was she doing with all that money she stole. Who did it profit. Where did the funds go that she was so willing to go to jail over? Could it be extortion? Could it be money owed for drugs? Could it be bail out money to pay for a child kidnapped? We have some really evil people in this world and perhaps our brain needs to stretch a little in order to obtain the truth. Something happened.

I know... the police should be asking those questions and tracking down the truth instead of sticking it to the grandparents for diversion. They aren't guilty of anything. Where is the MONEY. Why did Casey go to jail for money she stole that was not hers. Those are the questions that need to be answered. I don't want protect the media hype. I want to know where the money went and to whom. Do you know?! You seem to be an expurt on this case. I'll be waiting for your words of wisdom. ;)I'm not an expert. My original post to you was about your unfounded assumptions and negative comments about the protesters. I posted a link to show who they are.

It's too bad you judge people according to their alleged income or lack thereof. Since you have not responded to that post, but instead attempt to deflect with snide comments, I have to assume that you think people of little income or education don't deserve to exercise their rights.

Therefore, for all the reasons contained herein, I don't wish to further my discussion with you. As for your comments about people on welfare, be careful, karma's a beotch, and jobs are far and few between in this economy. Just ask Casey.;) imo

[Joan Weiss]

You are so correct. I saw and heard the same thing you did .LEE acted so very respectful ,if it had been me I could never have kept my cool like that , which is why I have been saying the was the Anthonys have conducyed themselves through the horrible nightmare they have been living ,they all deserve an award.

The reporter who purposely tried to start a fight between LEE and the man with the accent is about the MOST DEPLORABLE thing I have heard and seen. Lets face WE ALL AGREE Casey is lieing ,I think most of us know she has some serious mental issues that need urgent attention, but what people have done to that family by way of obstructing their rights , such as to be free from threats of physical bodily harm , and other provking and inciteful displays is also deplorable and one more thing..........



HEY PAULA , you and I are clones in our way of thinking , you have said so clear exactly what I think and feel...it is too bad others can not really search themselves deeply and relaise that given the same situation noone knows how they would react and they are reacting just as NORMAL human nature guides them.



Whatever helps the anthonys through this tribulation should be afforded them, no questions asked...........hope none ever find themselves in such a predictament and be judged as the Anthony's have.

George , LEE and Cindy have taken enough , if they crack one day soon and go postal all this footage will be enough to show that people can only take SO MUCH and it will be because LE did NOT stop the abuse that has been subjected unto them.



Thinking of the whole family , may GOD bless them all.I'd say that woman's sign cost a lot to make, not to mention the time involved. Lee had no right to destroy another's property. I think she should make him pay for it. LE already dealt with it, and she was free to sit there, according to them.

The Anthony's don't get a free pass for breaking the law. They come out and go to the protesters. There are already charges against George and Cindy.

The person responsible for their distress is sitting in their house. No one else is responsible for any of this. jmo

[flipflop]

I have a weird angle on the cam. I cant see any protesters...matter of fact I can't hardly see anything with that light facing the cam.

[Heyes]

I have a weird angle on the cam. I cant see any protesters...matter of fact I can't hardly see anything with that light facing the cam.


Yup same here. Now it's just useless. Our thread just locked. WTH is going on???

Maybe it's time to head over to WS?

[nc1948]

Yup same here. Now it's just useless. Our thread just locked. WTH is going on???

Maybe it's time to head over to WS?

Now light is shinning directly at camera so can see nothing. Wonder what happened. Thread was no worse than usual.

[flipflop]

Yup same here. Now it's just useless. Our thread just locked. WTH is going on???

Maybe it's time to head over to WS?


I don't know I thought everyone was being pretty nice. :shrug:

[johnielee333]

yep the thread locked up on me too.

[Joan Weiss]

Joan,


Lee Anthony told the lady nicely that he was concerned about the HOA ( Home owners association ), in case you didn't know HOA's make their own rules and enforce them and have since the 1800's and I'll bet LEE knows that and is finding that out . The HOA has covenents that must be followed ,what he was truing to tell the lady nicely is thst the HOA states she could not be on the GRASS ,LEE nicely asked her to put her sign and herslef on the sidewalk ........she was being defient and saying the LE didn't say she could not sit on the grass....LEE again quoted what the HOA covenants state and she just would not listen .........WHY did she just not move to the grass ?


Lee simply took her sign when she would follow the rules .....but he took it down the street a bit and even his destruction of the sign itslef was done with GRACE ....MAN , he can really control his temper ...I give LEE a big HIGH 5 !!!! And that man with the accent ,inciting him like he was and the reporter instagating a fight , saying ..LEE , what are you gonna do if he does not shut up ..........

Please forgive me Lord, but that reporter would have been eating her microphone like a tootsie pop and the little man with the accent would have have sounded like Pee Wee Herman ............


Well not really ,I never act on what I truly feel ,but thats what I would have felt like doing , I'll bet Lee felt that way too ,but he has only proved he is more stable and in control then those protestors are ...if I were those protestors I'd be embarrased for myself!The police had already been there and told her she was fine. She doesn't have to move off a public sidewalk. The HOA doesn't overrule the police.

Lee is a bigger liar than Casey. imo

[TxLady2]

The media interviewed the woman with her dog. She wasn't a bully. They didn't, however, interview the REAL bully in that situation; Lee Anthony. How about that?

The media does what it does. That's their job.

No, it's not unfortunate for anyone but the Anthonys and their neighbors, since they can't stop the protesters. They can't stop traffic, either. imo

I did not say the woman with the dog was a bully. Perhaps you should go back and read my post again. I said that the bullies are making it worse for the few decent protestors... which includes the woman with the dog and a few others I have seen.
Exercising one's rights to protest is one thing... harrassing and vandalizing and screaming obscenities at a family in distress is quite another.
And you are not totally correct. They are not only protesting Casey, they are protesting her parents too, for allowing her to stay there after being bailed out. That is no one's business... not the protestors, not yours, not mine. If they choose to support their daughter, it's their right. You can't change that... the hooligans who scream and throw rocks at their windows after midnight can't change it.
If they really want to protest the bail, they should go to the judge's house and protest there. It is her constitutional right to have bail. She hasn't been charged with murder.
Also, the Anthonys are not required to stay inside and never go out to do anything they choose. It's their home.... it's not the protestors' home and they have no right to make them prisoners.

[TxLady2]

The police had already been there and told her she was fine. She doesn't have to move off a public sidewalk. The HOA doesn't overrule the police.

Lee is a bigger liar than Casey. imo

Protestors have already ruined that strip of grass. Even if it is public property, the homeowners still have to maintain it. I think it is very rude of them to have such disregard for public OR private property.
And what happens when the dog had to go pee or poop? Did she let him do it in their yard? Or just on that narrow strip? Most neighborhoods require the dog owner to bag it and throw it in a waste can, so maybe she did. But still.... I would not like to have to pick up after somebody's BIG dog. We had a St. Bernard once... when they go, they go BIG time! It would take a Gallon-size baggie.

[Joan Weiss]

Joan ..

I'll explain this again for you . The lady was NOT on the sidewalk , she was on the grass .LEE wanted her to BE on the sidewalk , where she was allowed to be. ( are you following yet) NOW . the lady would not get off the grass and ONTO the sidewalk like Lee nicely asked her to do. Lee patiently explained to her that the HOA does not allow people to park themselves and signs and dogs and loiter on the grass .

The law does not overrule the HOA covenants. However even so and in any event LEE was permitting her to be on the sidewalk , just as law enforcement said she could be , LEE was trying to get her to get her booty on the sidewalk and OFF THE GRASS , she would not follow the rules .


The HOA's ,POA's have their own rules and covenants they can take your home ( foreclose on your home for the simplest of violations ) if you do not believe this go research it , you will be in for a shock of a lifetime .


Lee was following the HOA rules , you are confused as to where she sat and where LEE told her to move to.Lee told her to move from the GRASS and onto the SIDEWALK.


Hope you understand now.You are the one who doesn't understand, imo. LE told her she could stay there. In addition, Lee had NO right to touch her things, let alone destroy the sign.

Ha, ha, the HOA overrules the law? How ridiculous. Try breaking the law, anywhere... Absurd.

[Joan Weiss]

Lee should have been arrested for destruction of property..and you call what he did to the sign grace? I call it pathetic..he was embarrassed that the sign whipped his butt..he looked like a sissy with that big ole sign to me.

Lee should be taught you dont just go grab peoples property and distroy it. I bet if that had been a big old male sitting with his dog Lee wouldnt have man handeled his sign lol.Bravo! :beer:

[Cheri_G]

Lee should have been arrested for destruction of property..and you call what he did to the sign grace? I call it pathetic..he was embarrassed that the sign whipped his butt..he looked like a sissy with that big ole sign to me.

Lee should be taught you dont just go grab peoples property and distroy it. I bet if that had been a big old male sitting with his dog Lee wouldnt have man handeled his sign lol.

The sign was not destroyed. It was bent to fit in a garbage can. It was returned to the owner, and despite the creases from being bent, it was in tact from what I could see.

A small child is missing, quite likely deceased, possibly at the hands of her own mother. Do you really believe that this incident (which was non-violent and not serious by any means, imo) is important in the grand scheme of things?

[Joan Weiss]

The sign was not destroyed. It was bent to fit in a garbage can. It was returned to the owner, and despite the creases from being bent, it was in tact from what I could see.

A small child is missing, quite likely deceased, possibly at the hands of her own mother. Do you really believe that this incident (which was non-violent and not serious by any means, imo) is important in the grand scheme of things?By the length of this discussion, I assume it is. ;)

Egads, I have to move to a neighborhood with an HOA, so I can be immune from the law. :rolleyes: imo

[margaritaville]

I haven't heard of a person here who's ever been in this situation. Your grandchild is missing, presumably dead, and your child is the prime suspect. For months you've been begging for help, defending your child, when all the while you have a gut feeling that everything is very, very, wrong but you don't know how to fix it.

Her daughter has been arrested and is top suspect in the disappearance. The media is bashing your family, protestors are camped outside of your home 24/7 accusing you of horrible things, confronting you on your own property and getting directly in your face.

If Cindy wants to pull weeds to get out of the house, to try to clear her mind, and provide some kind of distraction, to help her think, let her. Being cooped up inside with a daughter who could apparently care less and a husband who's probably a ticking time bomb right now would drive me to find some kind of outlet myself.



LOL LOL LOL....Are you serious????

For months they have been begging for help??
No..for months they have been telling us to get off our azz's and find their Grandchild that they have not spent 1 minute trying to find!!
Not once have they set up a search or searched themselves.

When a company comes from Texas to search for Caylee they get mad and want them to stop?? Does that sound like Grandparents that really want her found???????????????????????????

If Cindy needs to "pull weeds to clear her mind" why doesn't she go to the shed grab a shovel and start removing the bamboo that grows so "rapidly" in the back yard? You know the same bamboo Casey was trying to dig up with the neighbors shovel after her daughter was missing. What was the excuse again? Oh yeah, it hurt Caylee's feet! (after she was gone??)

The protesters wouldn't be "in their face" if they didn't keep bringing their faces out there.

Yeah it would suck to have protesters outside my house 24/7 but probably wouldn't be out there as much if they didn't get the satisfaction of being able to start something with George and Cindy.
But the protesters know that eventually they come out to garden or fix the stakes and they will have their chance. It has been proven everyday! Even after the police were called, George had to go out there..Cindy following with a bat! They couldn't wait until LE got there!!
Nope they take matters into their own hands....

moo


http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/george-and-cindy-anthony-speak-with-greta-transcript/

[HANNAH ROSE]

LOL LOL LOL....Are you serious????

For months they have been begging for help??
No..for months they have been telling us to get off our azz's and find their Grandchild that they have not spent 1 minute trying to find!!
Not once have they set up a search or searched themselves.

When a company comes from Texas to search for Caylee they get mad and want them to stop?? Does that sound like Grandparents that really want her found???????????????????????????

If Cindy needs to "pull weeds to clear her mind" why doesn't she go to the shed grab a shovel and start removing the bamboo that grows so "rapidly" in the back yard? You know the same bamboo Casey was trying to dig up with the neighbors shovel after her daughter was missing. What was the excuse again? Oh yeah, it hurt Caylee's feet! (after she was gone??)

The protesters wouldn't be "in their face" if they didn't keep bringing their faces out there.

Yeah it would suck to have protesters outside my house 24/7 but probably wouldn't be out there as much if they didn't get the satisfaction of being able to start something with George and Cindy.
But the protesters know that eventually they come out to garden or fix the stakes and they will have their chance. It has been proven everyday! Even after the police were called, George had to go out there..Cindy following with a bat! They couldn't wait until LE got there!!
Nope they take matters into their own hands....

moo


http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/george-and-cindy-anthony-speak-with-greta-transcript/


To reiterate, unless you've BEEN THERE you don't know what it's like and if you've read anything prior that I posted I have SAID that I don't necessarily SYMPATHIZE with the Anthonys but they have rights like everyone else.

The Anthonys have become prisoners in their own home. They've canceled a prayer vigil out of fear for their own safety. A mob of desperate, angry people are camped outside of the Anthony home 24/7 making threats of physical violence. This is not productive nor is it fair to anyone involved.

[margaritaville]

There is nothing I would love more then to have this little girl be alive somewhere. I pray everyday that she is found that way.

But for you to say that that is the ONLY way the Anthony's will allow the investigation or search for the granddaughter to be conducted is ludicrous...
It is fine that they can't wrap their brains around the fact that their GD is probably dead. But lets take that away for just a moment.
What searches have the Anthony's put together to find her alive???
Oh NONE...That is right!! Not a single one...
If they truly believe that Zanny the Nanny has her..Why no plea to have her returned?? Why not beg for it?? Even Susan Smith did that!!

They complained that nobody was looking with Eccu-search because everyone believes that Caylee is alive. Then after that there was about 1000 volunteers that came to search......WOW ..the power of her comments...I bet that pissed her off...

I wonder how many people would have come out had the Anthony's set up a search for her???? I guess we will never know. they are too busy fighting with the protesters and making brownies for Casey's lawyer!
I guess we all know where their priorities lie......

They threw Caylee under the bus when it came to protecting Casey...
And yes we all know Casey is a liar.....But if we are to believe what GA and CA want us to believe they should be giving us reasons why Casey would be lying if she had nothing to do with her disappearance, dead body juices in the trunk of her car, the borrowed shovel, the flurry of calls, the chloroform, the smell of death on her clothes....
New research for you!

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060322183856.htm

[Katprint]

Originally Posted by Joan Weiss

Ha, ha, the HOA overrules the law? How ridiculous. Try breaking the law, anywhere... Absurd.


Seems odd that HOA's have THAT MUCH POWER doesn't it ,but it is true.Theres nothing you can do about it ,but DEAL with it.
If your HOA is bullying you that much, you need a better lawyer.

Seriously, HOA's are NOT above the law. If the HOA imposes a rule that conflicts with people's legal rights (for example, a rule that excludes a race or religion from purchasing homes in that neighborhood) then *poof* that rule is invalid. In fact, people can sue the HOA for trying to impose that invalid rule on them.

So the HOA says, "We don't like you protesters exercising your rights under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, so we've made a rule against it." Well, the way that I would "DEAL with it" would be in court because the HOA does not have "THAT MUCH POWER."

The HOA wisely added the Anthonys to its pending request for a Temporary Restraining Order. The judge isn't going to say that protests against the Anthonys are prohibited but that candlelight vigils supporting the Anthonys are not prohibited - it's got to be everyone or no one. The most legally defensible outcome would be a time/place/manner order defining between what hours and how loud (often amplified sound is prohibited or a decibel limit is set) the demonstrations can be regardless of the pro-Casey / anti-Casey viewpoint being expressed.

Maybe we will see something like the sidewalk protest guidelines issued by the U.S. Supreme Court concerning abortion clinic protests. "In 1994, the court approved a few provisions of a Florida state court order but rejected some others in Madsen v. Women's Health Center, Inc. The court upheld noise restrictions and permitted a 36-foot buffer zone around the entrances to clinics. But the justices gave the thumbs down to a 300-foot buffer zone around the residences of a clinic's staff members." http://www-cgi.cnn.com/2000/LAW/06/28/scotus.abortion/



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Always only my own opinions

[margaritaville]

I know all they want is to find her alive.....But not looking ANYWHERE for her alive?? Makes me sick....

So their angel daughter hasn't told them where she is??? So what!
George claimed he would go door to door to find Caylee! Well??
I guess he lies too?!
I would have way more respect for them if they actually did look for her and not sit around and wait for a tip they may or may not ever get!

And obviously I am not the only one that feels this way.

We all have sympathy for the Anthony's. But what are they are doing (nothing) to find Caylee?? Waiting....for a tip!!

:rose: for Caylee........

[HANNAH ROSE]

I think they will come to terms once the back and forth of jail is done and Casey is officially charged.

Right now she's in their house, she's still their daughter, and they're still hopeful that she's telling the truth and Caylee is alive. My guess is that the sliver of possibility of Casey actually telling the truth is keeping them going and keeping them in support of Casey.

They've been coddling Casey for years, most likely, and in their mind if they suddenly turn on her then all possiblity of getting questions answered will be gone. I think Casey is playing them like she plays everyone else but they have much more invested than the general public.

[Katprint]

Can we not keep things in their proper perspective EVEN on what the HOA dispute with Joan weis was about ?

Please refer back....Joan isisted she was allowed to sit on the GRASS because Law enforncement said she could . Lee told the lady she had to sit on the sidewalk , she was not allowed on the GRASS , my points are that HOA covenants opose that she or any be on the grass as she WAS . she could very well have stayed within her rights by moving to the sidewalk as Lee nicely suggested. <respectfully snipped>
In neighborhood developments, the public right-of-way generally extends to the far edge of the sidewalk. The city either owns the grass strip or a public easement encompassing the grass strip; that is why when passengers walk across the grass strip to get into or out of a car, they are not "trespassing" on someone's property (unlike people who cut across the lawns of homes located on corners.) Because the grass strip is part of the public right-of-way, the HOA does not have the legal right to control who can be on it. Neither does Lee. That is why law enforcement said that the woman could not be forced to move off the grass strip. She "stayed within her rights" by remaining on the grass strip and by not blocking the use of the sidewalk by pedestrians.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Joan Weiss]

So everyone standing out there is responsible for the actions of a few drunken louts? What was the lady with the dog doing when Lee took her sign and dumped her dog's water? Did I miss something?

Do you have a link stating that they are intent on "getting their mugs on tv and in newspapers for bragging rights," or is that just your opinion?

I'd say she brought her dog because she cares about it, more than Casey cared about Caylee. That's what her sign said. :shrug:

Her dog probably does it's business the same place everyone else's does when they take it out for a walk. I think it's perfectly OK to bring a pet, as long as it's well-behaved. Do you think pets should not go outside?

She was on public property. Any more questions?

imo

I'd say that woman's sign cost a lot to make, not to mention the time involved. Lee had no right to destroy another's property. I think she should make him pay for it. LE already dealt with it, and she was free to sit there, according to them.

The Anthony's don't get a free pass for breaking the law. They come out and go to the protesters. There are already charges against George and Cindy.

The person responsible for their distress is sitting in their house. No one else is responsible for any of this. jmo

The police had already been there and told her she was fine. She doesn't have to move off a public sidewalk. The HOA doesn't overrule the police.

Lee is a bigger liar than Casey. imo

You are the one who doesn't understand, imo. LE told her she could stay there. In addition, Lee had NO right to touch her things, let alone destroy the sign.

Ha, ha, the HOA overrules the law? How ridiculous. Try breaking the law, anywhere... Absurd.

Can we not keep things in their proper perspective EVEN on what the HOA dispute with Joan weis was about ?


Please refer back....Joan isisted she was allowed to sit on the GRASS because Law enforncement said she could . Lee told the lady she had to sit on the sidewalk , she was not allowed on the GRASS , my points are that HOA covenants opose that she or any be on the grass as she WAS . she could very well have stayed within her rights by moving to the sidewalk as Lee nicely suggested.


To bring in other aspects of the HOA would be too long here and any examples about fines or foreclsure were just that as examples of how much power HOA's do have and THEY DO have tremendous power , how ELSE could old retired people lose their homes to HOA's for as little as oweing 200.00 in HOA dues ! This is fact look it up .So my examples are nothing more then to show the power they do possess.



The bottom line is the protestors , the last ones to visit the Anthony's where they all sounded intoxicated just looking for a fight , telling George he has no balls , if he had balls he'd come after him and come into the street ,egging Geroge on like this ,threatening he will seek him out and hunt him down on the street ....and that stupid girl calling him Georgie porgie !!!


It is deploarable !Will you please stop misrepresenting what I said? I said nothing about the grass. Show me where I mentioned that anywhere. The grass is your issue. :no:

imo

[GoldBug]

In neighborhood developments, the public right-of-way generally extends to the far edge of the sidewalk. The city either owns the grass strip or a public easement encompassing the grass strip; that is why when passengers walk across the grass strip to get into or out of a car, they are not "trespassing" on someone's property (unlike people who cut across the lawns of homes located on corners.) Because the grass strip is part of the public right-of-way, the HOA does not have the legal right to control who can be on it. Neither does Lee. That is why law enforcement said that the woman could not be forced to move off the grass strip. She "stayed within her rights" by remaining on the grass strip and by not blocking the use of the sidewalk by pedestrians.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I have a HOA. You are 100% correct

[GoldBug]

One last thing ....the homeowner maintains that grassy area in front of the sidewalk where she sat ,therefore her dog ,dog dish and sign needed to either be on the sidewalk, or in a better place as Lee chose ( the garbage can)



:seeya:


The HOA nor the homeowner owns that part of the grass area. I checked with my HOA and they said that area is public property.

[GoldBug]

The HOA nor the homeowner owns that part of the grass area. I checked with my HOA and they said that area is public property.
We homeowners maintain that area but it is still considered public property. Just like people shovel the snow off of the sidewalk in front of their home, but it is still public property.
We are reuired to maintain that grassy area and keep the sidewalk in front of our home free of snow etc, but the town owns both those areas, which makes it public property

[Jay]

Where in the constitution is Bail mentioned?



Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


However, the excessive bail and fine provisions are NOT applicable to the states, as they have not been selectively incorporated to date, so it is a state constitutional provision that determines what excessive bail is, is my understanding of the law.

[Joan Weiss]

Judge denies HOA plea:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17538105/detail.html

[Katprint]

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

However, the excessive bail and fine provisions are NOT applicable to the states, as they have not been selectively incorporated to date, so it is a state constitutional provision that determines what excessive bail is, is my understanding of the law.
My understanding of the law is that Section 1 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides that "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." In other words, if you have a right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, then the State you live in has to respect that right regardless whether it is also guaranteed by that specific State's constitution.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Katprint]

Judge denies HOA plea:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17538105/detail.html
I don't think the HOA is ever going to be successful getting the protesters moved somewhere else i.e. down the block/around the corner into a vacant field. It doesn't work for abortion clinics or politicians or companies being picketed by unions or anyone else, so why would this particular HOA deserve special privileges?

This is a perfect example of "Ask for too much, get nothing." They need to ask for more limited relief i.e. a time/place/manner restrictions or restraining orders targeting specifically identified individual protesters who have already proven themselves to be a nuisance.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Jay]

My understanding of the law is that Section 1 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides that "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." In other words, if you have a right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, then the State you live in has to respect that right regardless whether it is also guaranteed by that specific State's constitution.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


I understand your reasoning, but we have to remember that when the Bill of Rights was ratified, it ONLY applied to the Federal government.

The ratification of the 14th in 1868, did not "automatically" make the Bill of Rights applicable to the states. Not until the 1920's and beyond did the USSC start incorporating the Bill of rights to the states. You can read this as a general overview:

Edit:


key in: selective incorporation + bill of rights: and a wikipedia article should hit. The link I pasted does not work.


At present, even under the Heller 2nd Am decision in June, the SC did NOT incorporate it to the states, as it was a Washington, D.C. ordinance, as we see in the "question presented":

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/qp/07-00290qp.pdf

Sure, this supplies ammunition to other plaintiff's if thier cities forbid such as DC did, and eventually it may end up in the SC again with a total incorporation question?

I don't know if the incorporation doctrine is taught in schools in history or government classes, but it should be.

I know of it because my major was criminal law, and of course, the Constitution's applicability to the states concerning search and seizure under the 4th AM. The seminal MAPP decision was taught in S&S 101.

To date the SC has never explicity incorporated the excessive fines provisions to the states, although it does apply to the feds, true!!

Jay

[Katprint]

Jay, I understand your point but I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of how the state courts act to protect the rights guaranteed by the federal Constitution. I did not major in Criminal Law but I did earn American Jurisprudence Awards aka "AmJurs" in my Constitutional Law class as well as my Criminal Procedure class (also in my Contracts II class and my Remedies class but those are not relevant here.) Also I have about seven years criminal defense experience and two years civil rights litigation experience including some cases involving corrupt Oakland police officers (google "Oakland police corruption" for more details on the recent situation there), although I admit that none of the cases I worked on ever involved any conflict between the bail provisions in the California State Constitution vs. the bail provisions in the federal U.S. Constitution.

However, the federal vs. state "excessive bail" issue is essentially moot because the Florida state constitution also prohibits excessive bail, although it is phrased in terms of a right to "reasonable bail." In particular, Article 1, Section 14 of the Florida State Constitution states:

"Until adjudged guilty, every person charged with a crime or violation of municipal or county ordinance shall be entitled to release on reasonable bail with sufficient surety unless charged with a capital offense or an offense punishable by life imprisonment and the proof of guilt is evident or the presumption great."

http://www.harbornet.com/rights/florida.txt

As I understand it, Casey has not yet been charged with any "capital offense or an offense punishable by life imprisonment" so she was "entitled to release on reasonable bail with sufficient surety."

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Jay]

....although I admit that none of the cases I worked on ever involved any conflict between the bail provisions in the California State Constitution vs. the bail provisions in the federal U.S. Constitution.

However, the federal vs. state "excessive bail" issue is essentially moot because the Florida state constitution also prohibits excessive bail, although it is phrased in terms of a right to "reasonable bail." In particular, Article 1, Section 14 of the Florida State Constitution states:



The question you posed concerned the excessive bail provision of the 8th AM and I addressed that.

I am fully aware a state constitution may afford greater protection then the federal, assuming the 8th applied here.

SCOTUS has ruled on a number of times on this.

Example, SCOTUS has ruled that curbside garbage/trash is "abandoned" for 4th AM search and seizure purposes. However, some state's still mandate a search warrant be secured to sort through a person's trash: see California v. Greenwood.