View Full Version : Caylee Anthony 09-10-08 afternoon/evening thread
forensicnut
09-11-2008, 05:48 PM
I think in California drug diversion is offered for the drug crime only. Stealing to buy drugs might bring charges of theft and posession of drugs. The stealing charge would not qualify under drug diversion.
mooWell...thank you very much for answering. I did a little homework and found this page: http://www.defendingyou.com/PracticeAreas/Theft.asp
It's just an attorney website, but it does reference first time offenders....like Casey is.
I'll bet she'll get off with a slap on the wrist and won't do any jail time for these theft charges. Florida law looks pretty lienient for first time offenders. Imo.
bchand
09-11-2008, 05:48 PM
like ohio was a bad place. i didnt like that when she said that. ohio is just as good or bad as any other state. theres good & bad in every state.
She knew they had moved to FL from Ohio - that was her point.
Dogmatic
09-11-2008, 05:48 PM
Seems like someone is in the back/side yard ..
poor person
dtviewer
09-11-2008, 05:48 PM
No one asked you or anyone else to feel a kinship to them or admire them, but I'd think that basic humanity would call for compassion & understanding for Grandparents who have not only lost a Granddaughter, but a Daughter as well - rather than, perpetuate hate and further "they buried her in the backyard for 30 days!" rumors. It just makes no sense to seek out evil in the Anthonys, rather than have a decent & loving heart.
It's pure kindness, and "there but by the grace of God go I".
At least that's what was instilled in me, and I'm very thankful that it was.
And how do your posts about your hands around Caseys neck fit into that?
And seeing as you dont think Caylee is dead, why do you have so much hate and anger towards Casey that you would post that you want to put wour hands around her neck?
I just dont see how that all fits into your "At least that's what was instilled in me, and I'm very thankful that it was" statement?:shrug:
WinnieLeigh7
09-11-2008, 05:48 PM
I think she could have went on with her party lifestyle if she gave Caylee to Cindy, but she would have no longer had a place to live. She wouldn't have had free electricity, car, car insurance, food, etc. She needed Caylee so she could manipulate Cindy. She really didn't have anywhere to go. She had places to crash, but it didn't seem to me like anyone was asking her to move in (for free). Amy offered to be her roommate, but she would have had to shell out some money for that. Casey wanted to continue to be supported by her family AND have her daughter supported also.
True
Good Points!
I do think she was working on Tony for that also...
Playing Miss Homebody and waiting for him to be her Knight...
Lorna
09-11-2008, 05:48 PM
like ohio was a bad place. i didnt like that when she said that. ohio is just as good or bad as any other state. theres good & bad in every state.
I think it was said not because they thought Ohio was a bad place, johnnielee, but because the Anthonys moved there from Ohio.
I think it was meant to be just a bit of levity in the midst of all the madness.
:)
5boxersmom
09-11-2008, 05:48 PM
like ohio was a bad place. i didnt like that when she said that. ohio is just as good or bad as any other state. theres good & bad in every state.
:beer: ITA.
johnielee333
09-11-2008, 05:48 PM
Serious answer here. She can stop enabling her. She can let her sit in jail and await the court date on her charges for theft.
It might not make her talk about Caylee, but it will make her take responsibility for once in her life for something.
The only theatrics going on in this case has been done by the family and a few select people who choose to make a scene outside of their house.
However, the family is helping to perpetuate this also.
:)
i agree with you.
OneUp
09-11-2008, 05:49 PM
elder abuse financial:e.g. illegal or unauthorized use of a person’s property, money, pension book or other valuables (including changing the person's will to name the abuser as heir), often fraudulently obtaining power of attorney, followed by deprivation of money or other property, or by eviction from own home. So if that money was alloted to care for her ggf's personal needs then it would be condidered elder abuse. If i remember correctly it was the rest home facility that brought it to the ggm attention.You are correct that it DOES constitute Elder Abuse, the NH does know and are mandated to report. It is now up to the State of Florida to determine if charges will be brought..Cindy has no say either way when it comes to abuse naglect and exploitation charges. Thank God that families cannot bar those type of charges, think of all the crimes against the vulnerable ( children, handicapped persons, the elderly) which would be hushed up by families and go unpunished. In fact, the bulk of these type of crimes are perpetrated by guardians and family members.
JMO.
dtviewer
09-11-2008, 05:49 PM
It is. :(
Oh and PLEASE don't anyone post, "Well the Anthonys asked for it." :(
Thats is way over the line.
Disgusting......
summer4meplz
09-11-2008, 05:50 PM
Some serious yelling going on now.
yelling? do you have sound? i don't even have the cam up....just the guy with the white tshirt with a teeny red x....
Rebel Rouzer
09-11-2008, 05:51 PM
I agree. Give em torches and we are back in Salem. It makes me very uneasy.
I don't agree with things the Anthon'y have said and done but there is no way I would do what half these other people are doing. Protesting with their children and having them hold the sign going up to the door and getting in their face. Now a fake tombstone. The only thing i can think of is they want the attention and want on the news. I'm sorry i don't want on the news that bad or at all for that matter. People should do things for the right reasons not for their own egenda.
johnielee333
09-11-2008, 05:51 PM
All we need is love........(singing in my head now)...:D
good song ! :)
Justice for Caylee ! :rose:
Broderick
09-11-2008, 05:52 PM
I agree, whoever created such an atrocity is showing ignorance at its lowest level.
Most protests are angry and full of vitriol, meant to vent and shock. Even labor dispute protests can turn violent and unleash the worst in people. I don't see anything here different. People are angry and exercising their rights to protest. There are no guidelines for appropriateness obviously, but there are limitations in normal ordinances that would prevent disruption of the peace that could be invoked.
Dogmatic
09-11-2008, 05:52 PM
I don't agree with things the Anthon'y have said and done but there is no way I would do what half these other people are doing. Protesting with their children and having them hold the sign going up to the door and getting in their face. Now a fake tombstone. The only thing i can think of is they want the attention and want on the news. I'm sorry i don't want on the news that bad or at all for that matter. People should do things for the right reasons not for their own egenda.
Agreed. And quit using innocent children and pets to draw attention.
dvsone
09-11-2008, 05:53 PM
I agree, whoever created such an atrocity is showing ignorance at its lowest level.
Do you belong to some moral or ethical secret society that planted you on this board to pick and poke at every post?
Really, its tiresome. Yes, I know... Ignore.. I plan on it.
Im just sayin.
OneUp
09-11-2008, 05:53 PM
It is. :(
Oh and PLEASE don't anyone post, "Well the Anthonys asked for it." :(That tombstone sounds pretty distasteful, as does alot of what the protestoers are choosing as a means to make their points. I'm not a big fan of that type of civil unrest to make a point...doesn't "suit" my personality to yell and act that way in public. I'm more of a fan of Gandhi and Mother Theresa...make changes by doing and/or in peace, but to each his own as long as they mind the law IMO.
AS to why they show up at four, that IS when Casey is due back for the day is it not?
Lorna
09-11-2008, 05:53 PM
Oh wow, they look hostile. Time to call the law I guess. Whats that pink thing, a horn?
Yes, they need to be dispersed before someone gets hurt.
:(
Caylee's life was absolutely golden and the anthony family including casey look normal in comparison with the tragic short life of 4 year old rose. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12101548#post12101548
It has put the gp's in perspective for me, at least i believe they are buying casey's story out of grief/denial/hope that they aren't able to let go. Casey may be on the opposite end of the mother of the year award but Rose's mom is even further from it.
I think that as frustrating as we find it, most of us can at least agree that caylee was adored by her grandparents even if we can't understand why they seem to believe caysee. IMO they are anything but evil, and if they can't face the facts until there is proof then they can't. If they know caysee well enough to realize that attacking and confronting her makes her heels dig in further then they do. (btw i completely agreed with the profiler's take that was posted last night. Have said since the beginning the only chance of caysee talking is treating her like the "victim" so she lets some info out by mistake and opposition, jail etc. will make her feel like a martyr in her own mind).
All these things are understandable and i think once the final truth emerges if it ever does people will rethink their position on the gp's. Even with it now though they are the souls of reason compared to Rose's case.
jmo
summer4meplz
09-11-2008, 05:54 PM
Seems like someone is in the back/side yard ..
what link are you on...? i can't get the house ...tia
Broderick
09-11-2008, 05:54 PM
Seems to be a larger crowd than normal. It appears that the anger levels are growing and the crowds will get larger.
Dogmatic
09-11-2008, 05:55 PM
Yes, they need to be dispersed before someone gets hurt.
:(
They are helping Casey, not Caylee
cuddlyrunner
09-11-2008, 05:55 PM
Hear, hear. And today, under the worst possible circumstances, they continue to 'love her' by keeping her out of jail, with all the comforts of home and her attorneys office.
They haven't learned a thing. Including humility.
You never stop loving your child no matter what they do-but you can help them to face up to taking responsibility. We have a case that went to court yesterday where an 18 year old hit a man in the face(he was drunk, man was just walking home), the man died. The following day he confessed to his mother. His mother rang the police and told on him. He has gone to court and his parents have stood by him.
bchand
09-11-2008, 05:56 PM
yelling? do you have sound? i don't even have the cam up....just the guy with the white tshirt with a teeny red x....
lol no sound. I just saw the "leaning" of their bodies in the direction of the side of the house. I could tell they were yelling at someone.
Broderick
09-11-2008, 05:56 PM
That tombstone sounds pretty distasteful, as does alot of what the protestoers are choosing as a means to make their points. I'm not a big fan of that type of civil unrest to make a point...doesn't "suit" my personality to yell and act that way in public. I'm more of a fan of Gandhi and Mother Theresa...make changes by doing and/or in peace, but to each his own as long as they mind the law IMO.
AS to why they show up at four, that IS when Casey is due back for the day is it not?
Well, this country wouldn't exist if things like the Boston Tea party never happened.
dtviewer
09-11-2008, 05:56 PM
I believe in God also and was taught not to 'put my hands around someones throat in hate'.
Of course!
It seems some posters are okay with hate and anger when they feel it is justified.
Hypocrites......:rolleyes:
~jomomma~
09-11-2008, 05:56 PM
anybody have the local fox link for 5:00 news cast?
kakax
09-11-2008, 05:56 PM
yelling? do you have sound? i don't even have the cam up....just the guy with the white tshirt with a teeny red x....
I would post a picture but photo bucket site is down!
Reenbean
09-11-2008, 05:56 PM
Probably because basic common sense is that no matter what Casey is or isn't guilty of in the line of murder, she is still responsible for the disappearance of an innocent, then, 2 year old child.
Basic common sense is also the fact that Cindy and George are repsonsible for the morals and values they instilled in their daughter, which clearly shows a lack thereof.
kakax
09-11-2008, 05:57 PM
anybody have the local fox link for 5:00 news cast?
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live5pm6pm.html
kitty1182
09-11-2008, 05:57 PM
what link are you on...? i can't get the house ...tia
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html
Regina.Lampert
09-11-2008, 05:57 PM
So one of the protesters, a large protester imo, puts a sign that purports to be a fake tombstone for Caylee Anthony. I'm not shocked. Caylee is dead.
Maybe the visual aid will help george and cynthia wake up and stop covering for the person who killed her IMO.
Lorna
09-11-2008, 05:58 PM
I would consider the high 5 classless behavior, as class eludes most in the family. I think it was more in relation to getting in to the building safely. I don't think it was as nefarious as they were celebrating getting away with something. I would imagine they were both nervous making the trip alone together without bodyguards or the safety of Baez.
I tend to agree with you Broderick. I don't think it had anything to do with getting away with anything more than getting into the building.
:)
msgatorslayer
09-11-2008, 05:58 PM
I can't believe GA and CA haven't went all postal on Casey cause of the carp she's caused.
We know they can't talk to her about her case and all but I'd be sure to witch and moan every waking hour to let her know that she is the cause of this. {Maybe they do for all we know, but, I doubt it, lmao}
By now, if I was them, and still wanted to believe in, or whatever, I'd still have tossed her azz out to the protesters.
babblefishie
09-11-2008, 05:58 PM
I think Cindy and George are making a HUGE mistake in continuing to support their daughter in the way they have chosen to do so -- for SO many reasons. But these protesters are kind of losers. Seriously! I'm as mad at them as I am at the Anthony's. This is so over the top. People camping out on their fat arses with their signs and kids... I'm sure there are a few there in good faith, but for the most part it just looks like something to go do if nothing good is on tv, or you can't afford the tix to Disney. It's AS disgusting as the Anthony's lack of reproach for their daughter's behaviour. :mad:
~jomomma~
09-11-2008, 05:58 PM
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live5pm6pm.html
thank you! promise...i'm going to bookmark it! :D
Albini
09-11-2008, 05:58 PM
No one asked you or anyone else to feel a kinship to them or admire them, but I'd think that basic humanity would call for compassion & understanding for Grandparents who have not only lost a Granddaughter, but a Daughter as well - rather than, perpetuate hate and further "they buried her in the backyard for 30 days!" rumors. It just makes no sense to seek out evil in the Anthonys, rather than have a decent & loving heart.
It's pure kindness, and "there but by the grace of God go I".
At least that's what was instilled in me, and I'm very thankful that it was.
I do understand that, honestly.
I feel compassion for thier lost grandchild.
I have lost an infant myself and my foster daughter bureid her son 2 years ago this month.
But I can not find it in myself to give them a card blanche to act the way I have seen Cindy act, or say the things I have heard (well, not hear per se) her say.
We can blame others and shake our fists at God all we want, but in the end we need to look at ourselves and our own condcut.
Dogmatic
09-11-2008, 05:59 PM
So one of the protesters, a large protester imo, puts a sign that purports to be a fake tombstone for Caylee Anthony. I'm not shocked. Caylee is dead.
Maybe the visual aid will help george and cynthia wake up and stop covering for the person who killed her IMO.
Doubtful. If they are holding on to hope that Caylee is alive, that fake tombstone sign is a threat to them. It's violent imo
Broderick
09-11-2008, 05:59 PM
I tend to agree with you Broderick. I don't think it had anything to do with getting away with anything more than getting into the building.
:)
We are all probably guilty of thinking too deeply into every action by the family. Sometimes it is what it is.
Carol25
09-11-2008, 05:59 PM
Is Lee home? Was he talking to the protestors?
johnielee333
09-11-2008, 05:59 PM
Ah....you win the prize for SWEET and HONEST POST OF THE DAY.
well thank you SavannahStar ! :) but i liked your one post better ! :)
day2day
09-11-2008, 06:00 PM
I can't believe GA and CA haven't went all postal on Casey cause of the carp she's caused.
We know they can't talk to her about her case and all but I'd be sure to witch and moan every waking hour to let her know that she is the cause of this. {Maybe they do for all we know, but, I doubt it, lmao}
By now, if I was them, and still wanted to believe in, or whatever, I'd still have tossed her azz out to the protesters.
I don't care what they say. They are still enabling her. They are feeding her and paying her bills. That is NOT helping to find little Caylee.
imo
~jomomma~
09-11-2008, 06:00 PM
it just amazes me that people would take their children there! :eek:
Ms. Monk
09-11-2008, 06:00 PM
Every day we all sit here and go back and forth with each other, sometimes attacking each other in our frustration because we want to know WHERE IS CAYLEE?
Yet, Casey Anthony continues on as though she is a movie star with her big white sunglasses and short-shorts. She has done God-knows-what to Caylee and is destroying her mother, father and brother's lives along the way.
By the time this is resolved I fear that George and Lee will wind up in jail for defending her selfish butt and Cindy will have a nervous breakdown, while Casey cashes in on the pain she has inflicted on her family as well as the many millions of us who stand on the outside looking in with aching hearts for poor little Caylee.
I would like to jump on Johnnie Lee's bandwagon and refocus on sweet baby Caylee. For Caylee.....:rose:
Anakerie
09-11-2008, 06:01 PM
So one of the protesters, a large protester imo, puts a sign that purports to be a fake tombstone for Caylee Anthony. I'm not shocked. Caylee is dead.
Maybe the visual aid will help george and cynthia wake up and stop covering for the person who killed her IMO.
ITA, Regina. Thank you for saying it better than I could have.
True2Blues
09-11-2008, 06:01 PM
No one asked you or anyone else to feel a kinship to them or admire them, but I'd think that basic humanity would call for compassion & understanding for Grandparents who have not only lost a Granddaughter, but a Daughter as well - rather than, perpetuate hate and further "they buried her in the backyard for 30 days!" rumors. It just makes no sense to seek out evil in the Anthonys, rather than have a decent & loving heart.
It's pure kindness, and "there but by the grace of God go I".
At least that's what was instilled in me, and I'm very thankful that it was.
No one had to seek out things to dislike about the Anthonys. They thrust themselves into the lime light for everyone to see.
Yes, their Granddaughter is missing. People feel a great deal of compassion and concern for Caylee. She is the victim here and she is the only one deserving of unquestioning compassion. There is nothing a little child could have done to cause herself to come up missing like this.
There is a lot the Grandparents could do, and could have done, to help. They don't look, they aren't honest with LE, they've put all of their focus on their living, breathing daughter. The last person to have seen Caytlee, who will not help LE try to find her.
The Anthonys have been caught in lies and contradictions, they criticize people who are trying to help find Caylee, they blame everyone except Casey. To you that may be understandable and natural, to many of us it isn't.
It doesn't make you any better than anyone else, just different. No one who doesn't find them likable, honorable or honest lacks a decent and loving heart.
Refusing to turn a blind eye to the reality of the Anthony's words and behavior isn't unkind.
OneUp
09-11-2008, 06:01 PM
Well, this country wouldn't exist if things like the Boston Tea party never happened.I agree, that is why I feel no need to interfere with their right to protest. They are breaking no law, a few did and were ticketed. There is no law that requires people to be "tasteful" in their behavior...I imagine many celebs. would be out of work if there were.
The "tea party" is a whole other ball of wax as it was protest against a Government entity, not a private individual...I might have been moved to take part in that protest! Thankfully, that society of protestors allowed us the freedoms we enjoy today with their choice to act.
JMO.
one quick question...
is it very common for people to refer to the babysitter as "the nanny". Around here, a nanny is a live in babysitter, someone who watches your child while you work is a babysitter.
Just curious. Was Casey "putting on airs" by calling her a nanny or do others not find a problem with calling her that?
I also have a problem with her use of the word "nanny". She was trying to elevate her status, period.
bchand
09-11-2008, 06:01 PM
anybody have the local fox link for 5:00 news cast?
Here it is:
http://mfile.akamai.com/25193/live/reflector:32415.asx
babblefishie
09-11-2008, 06:03 PM
it just amazes me that people would take their children there! :eek:
Me too -- carting your kids there to be exposed to a potentially dangerous environment and using them as a walking billboard testimonial to the fact that your kid is still alive is WRONG. These parents are exposing their kids to danger and stress and instead they could help search or donate money and hug their kids tighter at night. I don't like it one little bit. :cuss:
Mizzchiff
09-11-2008, 06:03 PM
Hmmmmm
I believe in Throttling. I think someone should throttle her. :shrug:
I'm not above that or anything......
Good, I was worried that I was the only one. :shrug: hammer For all the Anthonys
Reenbean
09-11-2008, 06:03 PM
it just amazes me that people would take their children there! :eek:
It's in really poor taste and judgement IMO. That scene could become violent at any moment, not to mention the fact it's just completely inappropriate to have kids around such an emotionally charged scene.
Shame on them:no:
johnielee333
09-11-2008, 06:03 PM
Hey nowwwww!! LOL! I was born and nearly raised a buckeye..!!:seeya:
i am a buckeye ! along with being the fly ! :biggrin:
kakax
09-11-2008, 06:03 PM
Agree ... agree ... agree.
I understand the visual aid point. I wish it would work...but I don't think it will. The yelling and screaming is over the top. I was happy with Bernice yesterday. If all protests were like that I wouldn't have a problem with them.
There are always going to be people who yell and scream though. Every high profile case I can think of these people hang around and scream what they think. They are allowed to do it....I wouldn't do it, but they have a right to say what they want.
Armchairdet
09-11-2008, 06:04 PM
Investigating a close call between Lee's car and a protestor??
joolz
09-11-2008, 06:04 PM
I agree. Give em torches and we are back in Salem. It makes me very uneasy.
ITA. I said it before but I'm saying it again: someone is going to get hurt in this incendiary mess.
Dogmatic
09-11-2008, 06:04 PM
Me too -- carting your kids there to be exposed to a potentially dangerous environment and using them as a walking billboard testimonial to the fact that your kid is still alive is WRONG. These parents are exposing their kids to danger and stress and instead they could help search or donate money and hug their kids tighter at night. I don't like it one little bit. :cuss:
I call it double standards
johnielee333
09-11-2008, 06:04 PM
To add to your post if you dont mind..but why should anothers opinion of the Anthonys bother anyone on this board? We all have an opinion and shouldnt let someone elses bother us.
ITA with you.
Rebel Rouzer
09-11-2008, 06:05 PM
No one had to seek out things to dislike about the Anthonys. They thrust themselves into the lime light for everyone to see.
Yes, their Granddaughter is missing. People feel a great deal of compassion and concern for Caylee. She is the victim here and she is the only one deserving of unquestioning compassion. There is nothing a little child could have done to cause herself to come up missing like this.
There is a lot the Grandparents could do, and could have done, to help. They don't look, they aren't honest with LE, they've put all of their focus on their living, breathing daughter. The last person to have seen Caytlee, who will not help LE try to find her.
The Anthonys have been caught in lies and contradictions, they criticize people who are trying to help find Caylee, they blame everyone except Casey. To you that may be understandable and natural, to many of us it isn't.
It doesn't make you any better than anyone else, just different. No one who doesn't find them likable, honorable or honest lacks a decent and loving heart.
Refusing to turn a blind eye to the reality of the Anthony's words and behavior isn't unkind.
Wow That was a great post. I was defending the grandparents in the beginning until the lies and contradicting statements started coming out. I don't think gried or denial causes lying does it? :shrug:
True2Blues
09-11-2008, 06:06 PM
Doubtful. If they are holding on to hope that Caylee is alive, that fake tombstone sign is a threat to them. It's violent imo
Only if someone hits them with it.
sukapi
09-11-2008, 06:07 PM
My thought on that is
1. She commited those crimes and needs to be punished regardless of who she is. She did the crime she needs to pay for it.
2. Maybe the LE is using these tatics in order for Casey to feel like "I am going to jail for these crimes anyways, I may as well tell where Caylee is, they may let me make a plea.""
JMO.
I can sorta agree with you in a way BUT my thinking is: Casey hasn't told anything truthful yet that we are sure of. She has been in jail, don't know if she's been offered a plea bargain but I think she's thinking 'that's my story and i'm stickin to it"
Wonder if anyone has ever thought of hypnotizing her to see if she will tell anything. That probably wouldn't be admissible in court but it just might give LE the toe hold they are needing.
for Caylee :rose:
day2day
09-11-2008, 06:07 PM
i am a buckeye ! along with being the fly ! :biggrin:
I really miss Ohio. It really is a beautiful state!! Seems like today isn't the day they are goin to arrest Casey :(..
WillowInFlight
09-11-2008, 06:07 PM
Only if someone hits them with it.
ITA, how can sitting it on the road be a threat? Unless they are saying that Caylee is being threatened to be killed. :shrug::confused:
Regina.Lampert
09-11-2008, 06:08 PM
Here we go again.
Nothing on that sidewalk could ever be as bad as the dead and decomposing Caylee Anthony, lying tossed aside and utterly alone somewhere, while her mommy behaves like a rock star, her uncle like a celebrity body guard, and her grandparents like borderline criminals themselves.
Amen!
Caylee lying somewhere slowly decomposing as the result of the actions of casey anthony and lack of searching by cynthia and george, should be the standard by which everything else in this nightmare is judged! :cuss:
Broderick
09-11-2008, 06:08 PM
Refresh my memory, wasn't it you just a few days ago who posted that you had offered some sort of supposed "investigation" for the Anthonys, but they refused to take you up on your offer?
Yes I did. And refresh my memory, was it you that said the had all they need from Baez?
johnielee333
09-11-2008, 06:09 PM
I agree. Johnnielee has always been one of my favorite posters, even though I don't see things in the same light she does.
For Johnnielee
:rose:
wow thanks ?WudScoobyDo ! :) :patriot:
joolz
09-11-2008, 06:09 PM
I can sorta agree with you in a way BUT my thinking is: Casey hasn't told anything truthful yet that we are sure of. She has been in jail, don't know if she's been offered a plea bargain but I think she's thinking 'that's my story and i'm stickin to it"
Wonder if anyone has ever thought of hypnotizing her to see if she will tell anything. That probably wouldn't be admissible in court but it just might give LE the toe hold they are needing.
for Caylee :rose:
What makes you think she would give permission to anyone to hypnotize her?
oldbluesmith
09-11-2008, 06:10 PM
I can sorta agree with you in a way BUT my thinking is: Casey hasn't told anything truthful yet that we are sure of. She has been in jail, don't know if she's been offered a plea bargain but I think she's thinking 'that's my story and i'm stickin to it"
Wonder if anyone has ever thought of hypnotizing her to see if she will tell anything. That probably wouldn't be admissible in court but it just might give LE the toe hold they are needing.
for Caylee :rose:
Doesn't hypnotizism require the subject to cooperate? I think Casey would be a hard case to hypnotize. Sodiumpynethal (sp?) might be a better substitute.JMHO
pebblepup
09-11-2008, 06:10 PM
It's in really poor taste and judgement IMO. That scene could become violent at any moment, not to mention the fact it's just completely inappropriate to have kids around such an emotionally charged scene.
Shame on them:no:
I couldn't agree more.
True2Blues
09-11-2008, 06:11 PM
Wow That was a great post. I was defending the grandparents in the beginning until the lies and contradicting statements started coming out. I don't think gried or denial causes lying does it? :shrug:
No it doesn't. You're right.
kaelieanne
09-11-2008, 06:11 PM
How does one go about PMing someone on these new boards?
kaelieanne
summer4meplz
09-11-2008, 06:11 PM
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html
thanks for the link...i still can't get it...it's funny how sometimes you can and sometimes you can't....i think my computer is just sick of the whole thing...lol
:rose:9.11.01
Ionmhainn
09-11-2008, 06:12 PM
So one of the protesters, a large protester imo, puts a sign that purports to be a fake tombstone for Caylee Anthony. I'm not shocked. Caylee is dead.
Maybe the visual aid will help george and cynthia wake up and stop covering for the person who killed her IMO.
I have to say that I am shocked by your response to the fake tombstone. I believe in freedom of speech, but I believe in decency also. The person who made that monstrosity needs to take a little look "inside," imo.
st777jo
09-11-2008, 06:12 PM
I understand the visual aid point. I wish it would work...but I don't think it will. The yelling and screaming is over the top. I was happy with Bernice yesterday. If all protests were like that I wouldn't have a problem with them.
There are always going to be people who yell and scream though. Every high profile case I can think of these people hang around and scream what they think. They are allowed to do it....I wouldn't do it, but they have a right to say what they want.
I agree. But people with kids, get a sitter please,
summer4meplz
09-11-2008, 06:12 PM
How does one go about PMing someone on these new boards?
kaelieanne
click on their name and a box will drop down....
kitty1182
09-11-2008, 06:12 PM
How does one go about PMing someone on these new boards?
kaelieanne
Click on their name, go to second one under profile..
Rebel Rouzer
09-11-2008, 06:13 PM
How does one go about PMing someone on these new boards?
kaelieanne
Click on their name and a dropdown menu appears and it's the second choice. send them a private message :seeya:
kitty1182
09-11-2008, 06:13 PM
thanks for the link...i still can't get it...it's funny how sometimes you can and sometimes you can't....i think my computer is just sick of the whole thing...lol
:rose:9.11.01
I just have to keep refreshing..LOL
Velouria
09-11-2008, 06:13 PM
Only if someone hits them with it.
Actually, if you could call a sign "violent", that big one yesterday was getting the best of Lee. ;)
sukapi
09-11-2008, 06:14 PM
What makes you think she would give permission to anyone to hypnotize her?
Don't know just a thought :shrug:
True2Blues
09-11-2008, 06:15 PM
And yet their too blind to see that their own lack of parenting skills is mimicking the very thing that they're out there blathering about.
If it did, no one would know where their children were either. Their cars would test positive for decomposition in the trunk, show saturation of chloroform, and they wouldn't put themselves anywhere near LE, because they wouldn't be willing to help the police find their children.
kitty1182
09-11-2008, 06:15 PM
Cops are in driveway now with the protesters.
Regina.Lampert
09-11-2008, 06:15 PM
Doubtful. If they are holding on to hope that Caylee is alive, that fake tombstone sign is a threat to them. It's violent imo
Actually, I believe george and cynthia know all too well that Caylee is dead and at the hands of their daughter. Right now they are in protective mode. But, imo that will come to an end in the fullness of time. Why? Because I believe they truly loved that innocent little baby and will turn on the monster that killed her.
They more then any of us know what casey anthony is, it's just a matter of time. IMO.
kakax
09-11-2008, 06:16 PM
Oic State ATty filed formal charges, the prev AH charges were on suspicion of; now they've formally charged her, no arrest for them coming per cnn just now. I got it :D
Yesterday it was all about atnt and win dixie, filing. Also talking about charges coming twd Cindy and George? Damage control with mouth piece on CNN now. Called Nejames, he is really icky to me. I cant stand to look at this dude.
If you look in the dictionary next to Defense Lawyer, his picture is there. He just drips defense lawyer to me.
summer4meplz
09-11-2008, 06:16 PM
can anyone read the sign the man on the left is holding?
bluwaters
09-11-2008, 06:16 PM
Questions Surround Who Cashed In On Caylee Anthony Video
http://www.wftv.com/news/17451650/detail.html
Dogmatic
09-11-2008, 06:16 PM
Cops are in driveway now with the protesters.
out of hand. completely out of hand
charm7
09-11-2008, 06:17 PM
Cops are in driveway now with the protesters.
Could you link for me please and thankyou?:biggrin:
johnielee333
09-11-2008, 06:17 PM
i cant type my favoite "YEP" response to people's post anymore. that sucks !
send Casey to jail now !
True2Blues
09-11-2008, 06:17 PM
Actually, if you could call a sign "violent", that big one yesterday was getting the best of Lee. ;)
:D He was the one being violent. The sign just showed passive resistance and it won.
kitty1182
09-11-2008, 06:17 PM
Actually, I believe george and cynthia know all too well that Caylee is dead and at the hands of their daughter. Right now they are in protective mode. But, imo that will come to an end in the fullness of time. Why? Because I believe they truly loved that innocent little baby and will turn on the monster that killed her.
They more then any of us know what casey anthony is, it's just a matter of time. IMO.
I think they will too, especially George..
summer4meplz
09-11-2008, 06:18 PM
dannnggg lost the feed again...is it just me? cops in the driveway? keep us posted kitty...tia
:rose:9.11.01
Lorna
09-11-2008, 06:18 PM
They are helping Casey, not Caylee
I agree Dogmatic.
:(
Kathlb
09-11-2008, 06:18 PM
Actually, if you could call a sign "violent", that big one yesterday was getting the best of Lee. ;)
You see all of the men and musclebound guys there today. Want to bet they were upset that Lee picked on that quiet little gal that was sitting on the parking by herself yesterday? MOO
kitty1182
09-11-2008, 06:18 PM
Could you link for me please and thankyou?:biggrin:
Cops are gone now, I think..LOL
You have to keep refreshing..
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html
Broderick
09-11-2008, 06:19 PM
Ok, if what you said is actually true, then I understand then why they refused that offer.
They have no clue who I was. That was awhile back. I would still offer to look at no charge if I had credible evidence or leads. I don't see that happening for anyone now. The lawyer representing them made it quite clear that he has leads but LE has advised the family not to offer up those leads to anyone publicly beyond LE.
Maybe you can educate me as to why LE would restrict the lawyer and the family from divulging information that might lead to the finding of a live Caylee?
johnielee333
09-11-2008, 06:19 PM
I agree. Some people are taking it too far and only do things for the attention. Hoping to get a shot on media.
yep !!! i agree !!!
chrissybot
09-11-2008, 06:19 PM
Wow That was a great post. I was defending the grandparents in the beginning until the lies and contradicting statements started coming out. I don't think gried or denial causes lying does it? :shrug:
why no, no it doesn't.
:seeya: Hi rebel.
Jpanda
09-11-2008, 06:20 PM
out of hand. completely out of hand
This IS really out of hand, IMO.
I understand why the protestors are angry and I understand their right for being there. Having said that, they are causing the police officers to constantly have to come to the Anthony home, and IMO it's wasting valuable time and resources. I'm sure those officers have other things going on that they need to tend to, and other people to help and situations to deal with. When it gets to that point, I think the protestors should just stop. They are making no difference in this case whatsoever, IMO. Casey isn't going to all of a sudden start talking.
And I, too, am appalled at the children out there. Sick. IMO
summer4meplz
09-11-2008, 06:21 PM
casey anthony case to be discussed on the fox news orlando station..
steffaroob4
09-11-2008, 06:21 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/17451650/detail.html
Eyewitness News contacted Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, to ask if he or Casey has received any money from ABC for the videos and photos. His public relations firm refused to answer specific questions about the licensing fee but said, "The Baez law firm is focused solely on defending their client, not the commercialization of their client's missing daughter Caylee."
Maybe casey has been editing videos all day at baez's office.
Regina.Lampert
09-11-2008, 06:21 PM
I have to say that I am shocked by your response to the fake tombstone. I believe in freedom of speech, but I believe in decency also. The person who made that monstrosity needs to take a little look "inside," imo.
Sorry to have shocked you IO, but did you see the sign? It was not shaped like a tombstone or anything like that, all it had was Caylee names and the dates 2005-2008. That is what they are categorizing as a "tombstone."
I respect your opinion on this and everyone else's too.
WillowInFlight
09-11-2008, 06:22 PM
Cops are in driveway now with the protesters.
Dang it my screen is frozen.:cuss:
Rebel Rouzer
09-11-2008, 06:22 PM
Questions Surround Who Cashed In On Caylee Anthony Video
http://www.wftv.com/news/17451650/detail.html
Someone gave those tapes and photos to Baez for release. Who thinks that Casey did it when she took her backpack to his office daily?
day2day
09-11-2008, 06:22 PM
Actually, if you could call a sign "violent", that big one yesterday was getting the best of Lee. ;)
Sometimes the truth hurts. :shrug:
WillowInFlight
09-11-2008, 06:23 PM
Headline news is saying the new charges have been filed, how long before she is either picked up or turns herself in?
kitty1182
09-11-2008, 06:23 PM
Dang it my screen is frozen.:cuss:
They are gone now..Just a few protesters now..Mine keeps going white off and on..LOL
Ms. Monk
09-11-2008, 06:24 PM
Protesters are gone from front of house. I guess they are getting ready for their live shots on the 5:00 news.:shrug:
~jomomma~
09-11-2008, 06:24 PM
Someone gave those tapes and photos to Baez for release. Who thinks that Casey did it when she took her backpack to his office daily?
what tapes? are you all talking about the ones that were on 20/20?
charm7
09-11-2008, 06:24 PM
Cops are gone now, I think..LOL
You have to keep refreshing..
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html
Thankyou :rose:
Reenbean
09-11-2008, 06:25 PM
They are gone now..Just a few protesters now..Mine keeps going white off and on..LOL
Maybe they all left to go feed their children dinner. ;)
~jomomma~
09-11-2008, 06:25 PM
They are gone now..Just a few protesters now..Mine keeps going white off and on..LOL
mine too and refreshing doesn't help :cuss:
MichelleP
09-11-2008, 06:25 PM
And how do your posts about your hands around Caseys neck fit into that?
And seeing as you dont think Caylee is dead, why do you have so much hate and anger towards Casey that you would post that you want to put wour hands around her neck?
I just dont see how that all fits into your "At least that's what was instilled in me, and I'm very thankful that it was" statement?:shrug:
Either way, putting your hands around someone's neck to choke them or whatever is illegal no matter what she did or didn't do. It's the state's job to prosecute and carry out the sentence if found guilty.
Rebel Rouzer
09-11-2008, 06:26 PM
Headline news is saying the new charges have been filed, how long before she is either picked up or turns herself in?
I believe they can do it at anytime after the charges are signed off on. Warrant for arrest shouldn't take but a minute to get signed. depending on how busy the judge is.
Pruddennce
09-11-2008, 06:26 PM
ok, who is going to call Nancy Grace tonight? I will if someone tells me the number...I'm central time. I see we now have a motive...Did anyone catch what Grant(roommate) said the other night on nancy? He said... We asked Casey not to bring Caylee to the apt at night because of all the people that are there at night.. ie: partying. Ok, now...Cindy kicked Casey out Father's day night. Therefore, she could not take Caylee over to TonE's that night. I believe she did give her something to sleep and she never woke up. How do I make that a question?:shrug:
I believe the blowup occurred beginning with Casey stealing from her own grandmother and had a breaking point the weekend of June 8th.
its interesting to note how Casey's lies tie in with specific dates:
Prior to April 2006, her own mother testified she had a babysitter come to the Anthony house (which makes sense because she DID have a job). Casey states that as well, an in-house babysitter.
In April 2006, Casey was fired from her job.
Casey's statement indicates she started using ZG in APRIL 2006. no job, but now she leaves the home with Caylee pretending she is going to work: SHE DID THIS FOR 2 YEARS. a convenient starting point for a bogus nanny.
Casey also states that everything was normal when she spoke to Zanny IN THE MORNING when she dropped her off. thats what her statement says...IN THE MORNING.
well, George says it was 12:50 in the afternoon when she left the home to 'go to work' on June 16th.
another reason why I do not believe the Anthonys regarding the father's day weekend. All 3 of them, right out of the starting gate initially pointed LE to specific dates, the 7th, the 8th and the 9th of June. IMO those dates are what connects all three of these adults.
something nasty happened prior to father's day, however, Casey 'allowed' mom Cindy to have Caylee for the daytrip to visit her great-grandfather on father's day.
the 16th of June, IMO is bogus as to when George last saw Caylee....it was June 15th, if he was even home that day....Cindy is the one that took Caylee to the nursing home, George didnt go. They never spent the nite IMO. She had already moved out according to friends.
too many discrepancies.
best regards,
Pru
nellbell
09-11-2008, 06:26 PM
Yesterday in our paper a man named Robert Temple was finally arrested for a murder from 1999. His wife finally cracked and told the truth (told her he would kill their daugher and herif she told). He made her help him bury his 1st wife in a storage container. I wonder if Casey may have had help with whatever happened and if she did maybe they will crack.
MOO :rose::rose::rose: Caylee
Regina.Lampert
09-11-2008, 06:26 PM
Especially as she sashays about in her Fearless Fly shades, toting her laptop bag. In and out of the house, day after day, no responsibilities for anything or to anyone.
Meantime, the lives of her parents are a 24/7 living nightmare. It's a matter of time. I agree.
I should add that I think it is entirely possible that casey anthony will turn on her parents too. I can envision an F-bomb laced diatribe blaming george and cynthia for causing her to harm Caylee.
Rebel Rouzer
09-11-2008, 06:27 PM
what tapes? are you all talking about the ones that were on 20/20?
yeah
http://www.wftv.com/news/17451650/detail.html
concernedmom
09-11-2008, 06:27 PM
I hope it sinks in on Casey that these protesters out there are tame compared to how prison life will be. People dont think too much of baby killers.
bluwaters
09-11-2008, 06:27 PM
Cindy's :no: yellow tape has been torn down from the easement in front of the house. Yikes! That means she will be barreling out there any minute now with her hammer
:chicken:
day2day
09-11-2008, 06:27 PM
Someone gave those tapes and photos to Baez for release. Who thinks that Casey did it when she took her backpack to his office daily?
Do they really think we are stupid? Yep..I agree. I spose this is the way the Anthony's "search" for Caylee. It is really getting clearer now!
:rolleyes:
Hi all,
Please read CW's sticky!!!
I don't have access to NG. Anybody around who can give us an update.
TIA!
Shellberry
09-11-2008, 09:40 PM
Thank you CW. missed what was going on.
I dont see another thread besides the locked one--so
come on in everyone--
Im just getting on for today, trying to catch up with the links.
Has Casey been rearrested yet?
THIA CAN BE THE LATE NIGHT THREAD!!
kellabeck
09-11-2008, 09:40 PM
Scamp-- you are imagining Casey's diatribe as she blames her parents for what they made her do?
How about a diatribe that blames them entirely??
I don't see her EVER taking even an ounce of responsibility.
martin
09-11-2008, 09:40 PM
Hi all,
Please read CW's sticky!!!
I don't have access to NG. Anybody around who can give us an update.
TIA!
leonard's on there saying the anthony family refused to take a polygraph. said le came to the house when he, leonard, is in the rv out front asking them to take one. the grandparents (if i understood correctly) agreed to it and then lee said no, they wouldn't take one. more has been said but it's basically the same old, same old.
Shellberry
09-11-2008, 09:41 PM
oh-I just started a new one too.
I can switch it to late night.
so casey has not been rearrested yet?
(just getting on here)
summer4meplz
09-11-2008, 09:42 PM
TY TY TY TY TY TY TY Cold Water :rose: :rose: :rose:
Thank you!!!!
LP totally had bugs in the Anthony house. twice on NG tonite he said during the lie detector conversation going on in the Anthony home that he was IN THE RV...neither time did NG call him on this given the whole debate about not talking cuz of the bugs. The guy said he was in his RV watching LE come in and overheard...my goodness.
I thought he said lee came and told them about the lie detector tests...
Let me get this straight. LP said that LE asked the Anthony's to take a lie detector test and he was in the RV? How did he hear this? Did LE ask them outside in front of his RV? LOL Poor Leonard.
Thanks for the updates!!
Shellberry
09-11-2008, 09:47 PM
Wow now thats interesting. Sometimes i believe this guy and sometimes i just dont no. Thanks for the update. I am sooooooooo glad CW opened this back up for us. Thanks CW
oh man-did I miss a lot today?
can someone please update me -quickie version????
~jomomma~
09-11-2008, 09:51 PM
Let me get this straight. LP said that LE asked the Anthony's to take a lie detector test and he was in the RV? How did he hear this? Did LE ask them outside in front of his RV? LOL Poor Leonard.
Thanks for the updates!!
the FBI was there to give them the test...they refused
there's another thread that was made a sticky :)
k_can004
09-11-2008, 10:05 PM
I just can't get around the fact that This woman's child is missing and she is doing NOTHING to help find her!!! I have three children myself and come hell or high water I would not rest until I found my baby, i would be unconsoleable, I would beg and plead and do whatever neccesary to make sure my child, my flesh and blood were at home with me!!!!
Don't the Anthony's see that's why people think that Casey harmed her!!! And that's why people are so angry.
I am so very saddened by this whole thing... I am beginning to wonder if they will ever find that precious baby girl...
:rose: CAYLEE
Carol25
09-11-2008, 11:23 PM
I just got back myself. I'm going to look in links and see what is happening at the house. I don't know anything.
tiny paw-prints
09-12-2008, 03:53 AM
Is it true that Cindy, Casey, and Lee had agreed to a polygraph, except for George?
luvinlife
09-12-2008, 04:05 AM
Is it true that Cindy, Casey, and Lee had agreed to a polygraph, except for George?
LP said tonight on NG that the FBI asked the Anthony's to take a polygraph, they agreed and then he said Lee came back out and said they wouldn't take one. We are not sure about this..
Leeann1313
09-12-2008, 04:18 AM
When was the request made for the poly. i would think early on in this case???
That would be my guess too but why are we just hearing about it now from LP? :shrug:
luvinlife
09-12-2008, 04:21 AM
When was the request made for the poly. i would think early on in this case???
I don't know it had to be after LP bailed her out, I don't remember the exact date, but around the end of July. I can't figure out why he would say this now after all this time, he has been asked continually what goes on in that house and NOW he remembers this. I don't get it. :shrug:
Oregongal
09-12-2008, 04:39 AM
Geez, I get up to powder my nose and find everyone gone.
But, I found you.
:seeya:
Oregongal
09-12-2008, 04:47 AM
LP said tonight on NG that the FBI asked the Anthony's to take a polygraph, they agreed and then he said Lee came back out and said they wouldn't take one. We are not sure about this..
I'll say I'm not sure about this. Even Nancy questioned LP, asking why after all the times she's asked him for info he's just now bringing this out. Either he's making it up, or he's been holding back alot each time he's spoken publicly about what has gone on with all the Anthony's.
:shrug:
luvinlife
09-12-2008, 04:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oregongal
Sociopaths have that effect on people. There is a certain unidentified fear within those who have been even a little close to them. Their guts and intuition are telling them something, but they just can't identify or prove it.
They will say things just like Amy said to not have to face or bring out the constant undercurrent of rage running within the socio's. Amy saying Casey won't know I'm saying these things about her, will she, tells me she has that gut feeling of fear of Casey.
There are many wives married to sociopath/narcisstics that say, but he's my husband and I love him and it isn't because they are physically abused, they just know within them there is that fear that cannot be proven, so they will not speak of it.
Picture Amy as that wife and Casey as that husband.
Don't know if this is making sense to anyone, but I can understand why Amy would say this. And I can totally understand and think that she may be scared beyond words at this point with all these new charges against Casey that pertain to her. It could also be another reason, other than what I posted before (LE asking her not to talk to anyone), why she may not be responding and/or talking to reporters or anyone about this whole thing.
I agree, I have used the abused wife analogy as well for Cindy and George. They continue to defend for the same reason imo not for fear of safety but the mental challenge of challenging her. I have no experience with a sociopath, but do know women in abusive situations and women who live with drug addicts who continually lie. To catch them in the lie is so exhausting, you sometimes give up out of frustration and doubting yourself. They do and say what they have to, to survive the situation until they have the strength to get away. jmho
Oregongal
09-12-2008, 04:56 AM
Yep should be snoozing.
Yep, me too. Been staying up far to late the last few nights on this board.
My DD, who lives with me is sending me emails before she goes to sleep at a decent hour....GO TO BED NOW MOM.
:biggrin:
I'm thinking I'll take her up on that now. Before I get to the point where I'm reading with one eye. :D
So, good night peeps, sleep well. And maybe tomorrow will be the day true justice will begin for Caylee.
For Caylee
:rose:
Oregongal
09-12-2008, 05:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oregongal
Sociopaths have that effect on people. There is a certain unidentified fear within those who have been even a little close to them. Their guts and intuition are telling them something, but they just can't identify or prove it.
They will say things just like Amy said to not have to face or bring out the constant undercurrent of rage running within the socio's. Amy saying Casey won't know I'm saying these things about her, will she, tells me she has that gut feeling of fear of Casey.
There are many wives married to sociopath/narcisstics that say, but he's my husband and I love him and it isn't because they are physically abused, they just know within them there is that fear that cannot be proven, so they will not speak of it.
Picture Amy as that wife and Casey as that husband.
Don't know if this is making sense to anyone, but I can understand why Amy would say this. And I can totally understand and think that she may be scared beyond words at this point with all these new charges against Casey that pertain to her. It could also be another reason, other than what I posted before (LE asking her not to talk to anyone), why she may not be responding and/or talking to reporters or anyone about this whole thing.
I agree, I have used the abused wife analogy as well for Cindy and George. They continue to defend for the same reason imo not for fear of safety but the mental challenge of challenging her. I have no experience with a sociopath, but do know women in abusive situations and women who live with drug addicts who continually lie. To catch them in the lie is so exhausting, you sometimes give up out of frustration and doubting yourself. They do and say what they have to, to survive the situation until they have the strength to get away. jmho
Ok, ya caught me still reading after I said good night...thanks for bringing this over, I think both of us said things that the early morn peeps should see and think about.
I agree with all you said. GMTA!
Good night for real this time.
:seeya:
tiny paw-prints
09-12-2008, 05:10 AM
Is it true that Ricardo gave an interview to Globe last week?
Is it true that Kristina gave an intereview to Globe this week?
The Globe pays Big Bucks, right?
luvinlife
09-12-2008, 05:16 AM
Is it true that Ricardo gave an interview to Globe last week?
Is it true that Kristina gave an intereview to Globe this week?
The Globe pays Big Bucks, right?
Yes
http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/izbFg
Not sure, rumored
I believe so but not sure.
tiny paw-prints
09-12-2008, 05:50 AM
Questions:
Cindy, Lee and Kristina spoke with Casey during one of the first jail house phone calls? Where was George?
Ricardo (Globe Interview) is Amy's current boyfriend?
Ricardo was Casey's previous boyfriend, before Amy?
Kristina (Globe Interview) is Lee's current girlfriend and has a son by a previous boyfriend/husband?
Rick is Cindy's brother who has been working with LE and will be one of the prosecutor's witnesses?
nutterbutter
09-12-2008, 06:06 AM
Questions:
Cindy, Lee and Kristina spoke with Casey during one of the first jail house phone calls? Where was George?
Ricardo (Globe Interview) is Amy's current boyfriend?
Ricardo was Casey's previous boyfriend, before Amy?
Kristina (Globe Interview) is Lee's current girlfriend and has a son by a previous boyfriend/husband?
Rick is Cindy's brother who has been working with LE and will be one of the prosecutor's witnesses?
morning thread open.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=339948
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