Caylee Anthony 09-11-08 A.M thread

[Pooh]

They think the laws don't apply to them. When they don't like what they hear they do what they want anyway. Example, what Lee did yesterday...LE told them she was fine and after LE left Lee did what he wanted to anyway.
Speaking of Lee, I thought he had a job. How is he paying his expenses if he's now driving Casey around?
I'm sure he's getting his share of the millions coming in.....

[st777jo]

As much as the Anthony's disgust me, I would be horrified if they lost their home over something they have little control over. That's just not right. It's not like they invited the media and protesters to camp out on the sidewalk.

Maybe LE should start handing out citations for disturbing the peace instead.

I don't want to see them lose their home. But I don't feel sorry for them. They knew the circus came to town when Casey was first out on bail. When it came time for the second bail, they should not have bailed her out and bring her back home. jmo

[Kathlb]

That's ridiculous. No one can usurp LE's authority regarding protesters or anything legal.

The HOA would have to have a clause in their contract regarding protesters or the general public in their community to stop that, imo. I'm not sure that would be legal, either. We shall see.

jmo

It's going to be interesting. :D

[Mizzchiff]

With all the donations people have sent to them ya think:shrug: anything new this morning i just got on:D

Are there that many stupid people? barf

[crymeariver2006]

I noticed that the A's lawyer last night was spouting the same line about getting information and leads but can't tell anyone what they are- now if I had a lead on my missing family member -I would be putting it on every tv station and billboards. This has never made sense to me. imo

I noticed that too. He said yesterday that they had gotten two tips, then last night that increased to four. But he couldn't tell anything about them. Claimed that LE told him not to. Whoever heard of such a thing?

IMO, it's the same four tips that Cindy's been spouting off.

I wasn't impressed with him myself. Just another blog reader trying to insinuate the boogie man is after posters for their opinions.

[Joan Weiss]

I never heard a missing childrens org hired them for the anthonys/ That seems highly improbable. A KidFind org did loan that giant rolling billboard to them. They are just using it as a shield for their front yard wish kidfinders would come and drive away with it.Yes, didn't Kidfinders pay for that billboard?

[GIGI4256]

I will not be horrified if they lose their house. I have already been terrified that they have lost a human being. All else pales in comparison IMO. They lose that house, their own fault IMO.
Lifes rough, get tough.

Wrong IMO. The Anthonys are hurting obviously and don't know what to do. They did not realize when they started going all over television shows that this would turn into a circus. They need to get Casey outa there and maybe then, they can return to a normal lifestyle eventually. I feel sorry for them. :patriot:

[Mizzchiff]

Didn't Cindy say she would knock on every door to find her? I haven't seen that happen either. JMO

She better not knock on my door, I'll turn the *ahem* hose on her.

[jakee]

I noticed that the A's lawyer last night was spouting the same line about getting information and leads but can't tell anyone what they are- now if I had a lead on my missing family member -I would be putting it on every tv station and billboards. This has never made sense to me. imo

I don't understand either. They say the LE doesn't want them to tell the public the tips. Why?

Also, was it last week Cindy said she had phone records that disputed what the LE has? Has she or anyone mentioned this again or was I hearing things? :)

[jbellaj]

As much as the Anthony's disgust me, I would be horrified if they lost their home over something they have little control over. That's just not right. It's not like they invited the media and protesters to camp out on the sidewalk.

Maybe LE should start handing out citations for disturbing the peace instead.


The HOA IMO wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Number one it really isn't their fault that Media and proesters are camped out on the street. They can't evict them out of their own home, they own it, not the HOA. HOA's can fine the homeowners if they are not in compliance of the guidelines such as keeping the grass a certain height, the type on mailboxes they install etc. The Anthony's as far as I can tell have not violated anything that may be in the bi-laws.

LE can issues citations for disturbing the peace if the protesters are loud after 10pm or fighting etc. All JMO

[crymeariver2006]

I'm sure he's getting his share of the millions coming in.....


Just goes to show you, money can't buy class.

;)

[Kathlb]

Are there that many stupid people? barf


I can't believe that there have been a lot of donations. Everywhere I look or talk to people, they are hated for not working to find their granddaughter and for coddling their daughter. MOO

[Armchairdet]

It's going to be interesting. :D


Indeed it is.


Good morning everyone:seeya:

[Broderick]

How kind of you to wish them more bad things in their lives. What goes around, comes around, what you wish on others may just fall right back on you.

I doubt it. Great things happen for me all the time, every day it seems. Gosh I am blessed. Never seems to stop and I have been here on this planet for a long time.

Thanks for the well wishes though.

[jbellaj]

She better not knock on my door, I'll turn the *ahem* hose on her.


With a hammer in your hand....

[marshmallow]

I never heard a missing childrens org hired them for the anthonys/ That seems highly improbable. A KidFind org did loan that giant rolling billboard to them. They are just using it as a shield for their front yard wish kidfinders would come and drive away with it.



Never Lose Hope Org. hired him for them.

[crymeariver2006]

Yes, didn't Kidfinders pay for that billboard?

Yes they did.

And now it's being used as a shield for a POI in the disappearance of a child.

IMO

[Mizzchiff]

I do too, I was surprised with how compassionate Nancy Grace was last night towards them, they are victims too, they need to get Casey out of their house, and I am sure it will happen soon, hoping for a murder indictment to come down! moo

Victims would be looking for their granddaughter. I might consider them victims when they walk the walk.

[Joan Weiss]

I thought he did as good as job as possible too. I walked away without hating him and that in and of itself is saying a lot. :lol:

What I didn't like however was, he kept saying the Anthony's aren't against anyone who wants to conduct searches for Caylee's remains. He'd go on to say, they don't have a problem with people doing that, but that they weren't going to search for remains when they believe Caylee is still alive. Ultimately, he said the Anthony's supported those searches. If that's so true, why wouldn't they at minimal provide something of Caylee's that the search team asked for?

More smoke and mirrors, IMO.Good point. No excuse for not providing something of Caylee's for the dogs. They don't want to find Caylee. imo

[sickntired]

I noticed that the A's lawyer last night was spouting the same line about getting information and leads but can't tell anyone what they are- now if I had a lead on my missing family member -I would be putting it on every tv station and billboards. This has never made sense to me. imo


I would most likely have to agree with you. Remember when Elizabeth Smart was missing and the younger sister finally remembered who's voice she heard that night. They immediately put out a name/picture without LE approval. And guess what, soon after that she was found with the creepy dude. The Anthony's know that any tips they received aren't worth crap, so they don't put them out there.

:rose: for Caylee

The sad thing in all of this is, if Caylee could be brought back from heaven, she would still love and cherish her mother...the very one who has wronged her. Because that's how innocent and precious children are.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I noticed that the A's lawyer last night was spouting the same line about getting information and leads but can't tell anyone what they are- now if I had a lead on my missing family member -I would be putting it on every tv station and billboards. This has never made sense to me. imo

I think the reason is because LE said they need Credible leads and if the Anthy's and their Lawyer put out false information then it's not going to help the investigation. JMO This case is not like any I have watched or followed before.

[Pooh]

Are there that many stupid people? barf
Yep. Don't you remember how many people thought OJ was innocent? Unbelievable.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Yep. Don't you remember how many people thought OJ was innocent? Unbelievable.


Believe it or not some still do think that.

[Joan Weiss]

3 days and the perp didn't have to pay it back.:confused:Nope. I never pursued it, nobody from LE did, either. She had three kids, and no resources. Some of the merchandise was for the kids; I didn't want to take it away from them anyway, they were wearing rags. imo

[nc1948]

I do too, I was surprised with how compassionate Nancy Grace was last night towards them, they are victims too, they need to get Casey out of their house, and I am sure it will happen soon, hoping for a murder indictment to come down! moo

Casey was out of their house. Instead of taking what money they could get ahold of to look for Caylee they instead used it to get Casey out. Sorry, but this is one of the things I cannot condone. My son and I were discussing this the other day and I told him that he would stay in jail (he has no children yet) while I looked. And I would be so busy looking that I would not have to time visit. He is an adult and can take care of himself. A child cannot. They have totally not looked for their missing Grandchild. That billboard in the front yard really ticks me off. What good is it doing on a residential street. Anthonys, if you think Caylee is alive, please look for her. That would really make a difference in how i feel about you.

[kakax]

Garage door going up!

[cutiepatootie61]

She better not knock on my door, I'll turn the *ahem* hose on her.


:lol:, no need to worry Mizzchiff, she's too busy casey-sitting, she'll just order the public to get off their *** and knock on your door!

[Joan Weiss]

Morning Joan, Everyone.

No IIRC he lost a baby killer DAD case. Baez stated it was more likely the mother did it.Morning, bchand. Well, I was half right, lol...

[kitty1182]

Garage door going up!

I wish she would come out and take off running..

[joolz]

I didn't watch the entire NG show last nght. Did she ever directly ask why the Anthonys have never been out trying to find their granddaughter?

[crymeariver2006]

I wish she would come out and take off running..

I wish she would too. It's not like she's doing anything useful anyway.

[trich]

I noticed that the A's lawyer last night was spouting the same line about getting information and leads but can't tell anyone what they are- now if I had a lead on my missing family member -I would be putting it on every tv station and billboards. This has never made sense to me. imo


Just like George saying the kidnappers are under surveilence ...I think that was a month ago or several weeks ago.....
So if they were being watched why have they not been arrested and Caylee saved?

How dumb is that?

[kitty1182]

i wish she would too. It's not like she's doing anything useful anyway.

lol....lol...

[jbellaj]

I certainly don't feel sorry for them either. I just don't believe a HOA should be able to steal somebody's home over a situation like this. To me, that would be equally as outrageous as the Anthony's behavior the past few months. Two wrongs don't make a right, kwim?


They can't do that IMO

[Broderick]

As much as the Anthony's disgust me, I would be horrified if they lost their home over something they have little control over. That's just not right. It's not like they invited the media and protesters to camp out on the sidewalk.

Maybe LE should start handing out citations for disturbing the peace instead.


The homeowner's association can get a court order against the Anthonys who are responsible for the fiasco - they are a part of the homeowner's association. They can't get a court order against the protesters imo.

I could care less if they lose their house. Tell the truth and the protesters will leave. It is pretty simple to me.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I didn't watch the entire NG show last nght. Did she ever directly ask why the Anthonys have never been out trying to find their granddaughter?

The Anthony's attorney said because if they go out and place a shovel in the ground to look for Caylee then they have surendered to the universe and t themselves that Caylee is gone and they are not ready to do that.

[Broderick]

No, the HOA didn't file the injunction against the Anthony's. It's to stop the protestors.

JMO

I don't have a copy of the injunction. Do you? I would like to see it.

[kitty1182]

Just like George saying the kidnappers are under surveilence ...I think that was a month ago or several weeks ago.....
So if they were being watched why have they not been arrested and Caylee saved?

How dumb is that?

So true..I would have been right there along with the people who were watching the people who had her...I would have slept in my car..

[marshmallow]

The Anthony's attorney said because if they go out and place a shovel in the ground to look for Caylee then they have surendered to the universe and t themselves that Caylee is gone and they are not ready to do that.



but they're willing to make money off it.

[kakax]

I wish she would come out and take off running..

ROFL! Problem is, we wouldn't see it because the cam would freeze.:rolleyes:

[Kathlb]

Just like George saying the kidnappers are under surveilence ...I think that was a month ago or several weeks ago.....
So if they were being watched why have they not been arrested and Caylee saved?

How dumb is that?

Please don't ask GA about that. It would start another screaming episode and I'm not up to it this morning. MOO :cool: :D

[spiritwolf46]

I wish she would come out and take off running..

:lol: And then watch the citizen's on patrol tackle her and tie her up with palm fronds.

[Joan Weiss]

I guess so but his win/lose record isn't too great. Lost the two out of three of the high profile ones. I have no idea of lesser cases...not much info out there on his record.Lol..he was recommended by a jailmate of Casey's. Wonder if that jailmate is snickering? imo

[jbellaj]

Nope. I never pursued it, nobody from LE did, either. She had three kids, and no resources. Some of the merchandise was for the kids; I didn't want to take it away from them anyway, they were wearing rags. imo

That was very sweet of you to think of those children and I can see why you did what you did. :rose: for you and those kids. I sure hope thrie life has gotten better.

[Rebel Rouzer]

but they're willing to make money off it.


Doesn't make sense does it ?

[kitty1182]

ROFL! Problem is, we wouldn't see it because the cam would freeze.:rolleyes:

Dang sure would.I can see her frozen in movement now.

[kitty1182]

:lol: And then watch the citizen's on patrol tackle her and tie her up with palm fronds.

Oh My..:D :D

[day2day]

GRACE: What about the fact that by not encouraging and fully supporting the search for little Caylee, dead or alive, by turning away from the evidence, they are prolonging the search and prolonging volunteers, police, money, people`s prayers, their thoughts?

NEJAME: What`s been -- what`s been prolonging that are the distractions which we`re attempting to stop.

So if the "distractions" are gone then the Anthony's will support the search? Or are the searchers a distraction? jmo?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/10/ng.01.html

[kitty1182]

Has she left for day care yet? :confused:

[trich]

I disagree, they are in denial that she is dead because they want her to be alive so badly, I think its unfair for any of us to judge them unless we have been there, just because they aren't handling it to someone elses liking doesn't make me have any kind of spite for them, I am sad for them. They will come around but I dont see why it has to be forced, reality is Caylee is dead and nothing is going to being her back, especially if mommy left her for a gator or threw her in a landfill. I bet Casey loves all the posts that blame her parents. moo


Casey could care less she has no moral compass.
What I blame the Anthony's for is the lying and covering up for Casey.
If they did not contridict themselves every time they opened their mouths I might have more compassion for them.
But in saying that ...I do believe they are partially responsible for Casey being the way she is because they have never made her accountable.
But Casey is a grown up and a mother and she and she alone is responsible for Caylee being "missing".

[desmom]

It's just more of the same things from the Anthony's in this. Lee states that the LE has no authority and don't know what they are doing in relation to the rules in their area concerning the subdivision to the blonde lady sitting with her dog, but Cindy called them anyway for a ruling. And they call them all the time. If they don't know what they are doing or the rules according to Lee, why call them?? A little duplicity there to my mind. MOO


Has he been listening to Casey? LE has no authority in their subdivision? WTH?

[Joan Weiss]

The Anthony's attorney said because if they go out and place a shovel in the ground to look for Caylee then they have surendered to the universe and t themselves that Caylee is gone and they are not ready to do that.Yeh, and Cindy said if we consider that Caylee is deceased and she is found deceased, it will be "you guy's" fault. imo

Absolving Casey of any responsibility. :rolleyes:

[cutiepatootie61]

I disagree, they are in denial that she is dead because they want her to be alive so badly, I think its unfair for any of us to judge them unless we have been there, just because they aren't handling it to someone elses liking doesn't make me have any kind of spite for them, I am sad for them. They will come around but I dont see why it has to be forced, reality is Caylee is dead and nothing is going to being her back, especially if mommy left her for a gator or threw her in a landfill. I bet Casey loves all the posts that blame her parents. moo

Definition of denial: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/denial (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/denial)

Psychology An unconscious defense mechanism characterized by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.

The very fact that Cindy didn’t scream, “there’s something wrong, I found my daughters car today and it smells like a maggot infested pizza’s been in the damn car!” defies the idea that the Anthony’s are in denial. She consciously said “a dead body”. This coupled with the fact that they searched their own backyard for foul play, says they are NOT in denial. They wouldn’t have allowed the thought of a dead body to enter their minds, or got off their *** to search the backyard for signs of foul play when in fact if they are to be believed, they knew Caylee hadn’t been there in a month.
Sure signs of defiance, not denial.

[Rebel Rouzer]

My supervisor was a woman I had known many years and when she told me she thought he was innocent, well, I couldn't look at her the same way anymore. The day he was found NG, I was so shocked and she said - well, i told you so......:cuss:


I forget if it was Lisa Bloom or Nancy Grace who had a former juror on during the 10th anniversary of the killings That juror admitted not even concidering the blood evidence and still thought OJ was innocent. I don't understand it but there are people out there like that.

[sickntired]

The Anthony's attorney said because if they go out and place a shovel in the ground to look for Caylee then they have surendered to the universe and t themselves that Caylee is gone and they are not ready to do that.


So the Anthony's know that they would need a shovel to find Caylee.....interesting. :punch:

[nc1948]

Najame said some of his fee was paid by donations.I saw yesterday the a child find organization was paying his fee.I'll try to get a link.

Why is this child find organization hiring lawyers and not using their monies to find this child. I bet their donations will drop after this.

[nc1948]

Definition of denial: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/denial (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/denial)

Psychology An unconscious defense mechanism characterized by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.

The very fact that Cindy didn’t scream, “there’s something wrong, I found my daughters car today and it smells like a maggot infested pizza’s been in the damn car!” defies the idea that the Anthony’s are in denial. She consciously said “a dead body”. This coupled with the fact that they searched their own backyard for foul play, says they are NOT in denial. They wouldn’t have allowed the thought of a dead body to enter their minds, or got off their *** to search the backyard for signs of foul play when in fact if they are to be believed, they knew Caylee hadn’t been there in a month.
Sure signs of defiance, not denial.


Very good post.

[sukapi]

As everyone struggles to understand the true character of little Miss Casey Anthony, what has become painfully clear to me, is that the most important person in this never ending nightmare, knew. Caylee. She knew. She knew her mother's true character. She knew her heart. She lived it for almost 3 years. Can you imagine knowing what that poor child knew? She knew that she was expendable, she knew that she was a pawn, she knew she was only an accessory, arm candy, when it was convenient for her mother to portray herself as a hard working, loving mother. She did not know a mother's love. She knew the dark side. She saw it every day of her life. She lived with the insanity, the ever changing moods, the lies, the complications, the chaos. And I know what Caylee struggled and wanted more than anything, to find peace and love. And to find a place in her mother's heart where she might find a place to be. But it never was to be. Casey treated Caylee exactly like she treated everyone else in her life. Used her for what she was worth and then threw her away.
We all need to really look at this and do all that we can to bring this child justice. To do for her what her mother never did for her. To bring her dignity and unconditional love. Caylee belongs to all of us now and we will see this to the end. Stay focused and determined and let this play out with law enforcement.
With each step they take, they are holding Miss Casey accountable and responsible for her actions. Casey is not used to this. She can't manipulate her way out of this. It will all come together and she will go down. And for the first time in her life, her mom and dad can't make this go away. That is where I see the frustration coming from with her parents, they can't fix this. They have lost control. Casey has lost control. And Caylee has lost her life.
To Casey and her parents, Caylee has become merely collateral damage. Their focus now is to save their daughter. That is all they know. This explains it all.

OMG!!!! I can hardly type for the tears. Your post says it all from a mothers perspective. I gotta go get kleenex
Bless you

[Rebel Rouzer]

Yeh, and Cindy said if we consider that Caylee is deceased and she is found deceased, it will be "you guy's" fault. imo

Absolving Casey of any responsibility. :rolleyes:

I know and her statements totally conflict with what the attorney says they feel now. Especially about the media and searchers. I just shake my head.

[MyrDawn]

I don't have a copy of the injunction. Do you? I would like to see it.

Nope, sorry.

[newbiee]

Definition of denial: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/denial (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/denial)

Psychology An unconscious defense mechanism characterized by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.

The very fact that Cindy didn’t scream, “there’s something wrong, I found my daughters car today and it smells like a maggot infested pizza’s been in the damn car!” defies the idea that the Anthony’s are in denial. She consciously said “a dead body”. This coupled with the fact that they searched their own backyard for foul play, says they are NOT in denial. They wouldn’t have allowed the thought of a dead body to enter their minds, or got off their *** to search the backyard for signs of foul play when in fact if they are to be believed, they knew Caylee hadn’t been there in a month.
Sure signs of defiance, not denial.


oh, that's interesting!:eek:

[MichelleP]

Why is this child find organization hiring lawyers and not using their monies to find this child. I bet their donations will drop after this.

I agree if that is true that is ridiculous.

[Rebel Rouzer]

So the Anthony's know that they would need a shovel to find Caylee.....interesting. :punch:

I felt that statement from him was very odd too. I don't remember seeing anyone with a shovel down there searching. Sticks and weed wackers were used though.

[Joan Weiss]

Definition of denial: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/denial (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/denial)

Psychology An unconscious defense mechanism characterized by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.

The very fact that Cindy didn’t scream, “there’s something wrong, I found my daughters car today and it smells like a maggot infested pizza’s been in the damn car!” defies the idea that the Anthony’s are in denial. She consciously said “a dead body”. This coupled with the fact that they searched their own backyard for foul play, says they are NOT in denial. They wouldn’t have allowed the thought of a dead body to enter their minds, or got off their *** to search the backyard for signs of foul play when in fact if they are to be believed, they knew Caylee hadn’t been there in a month.
Sure signs of defiance, not denial.
I agree. Cindy is the one who jumped to that conclusion immediately. A shrink on NG said she's now trying to "undo" it. imo

[kitty1182]

OMG!!!! I can hardly type for the tears. Your post says it all from a mothers perspective. I gotta go get kleenex
Bless you

I'm with you, that was a wonderful post..

[Roux]

He explained, at least to my satisfaction, why he was hired. I think it was a very smart move on the Anthonys' part.

But did you notice that when NeJame commented about the legal complexities as being why G&C hired him, NG questioned him further and he mentioned George's potential charges. I'm pretty sure that incident occurred after NeJame was hired. A small thing, but still a spin.
I was not impressed with his mental agility as I had already seen him yesterday on the local channel and the Today clip. He simply repeated the same things using the same language. And when NG tried to prod him for answers, NeJame simply fell back on the LE-doesn't-want-us-to-talk-about-it response. True he was smooth and kept his cool but he is an experienced attorney.

[barskin&co.]

I forget if it was Lisa Bloom or Nancy Grace who had a former juror on during the 10th anniversary of the killings That juror admitted not even considering the blood evidence and still thought OJ was innocent. I don't understand it but there are people out there like that.

That tells you how the jurors...uh...deliberated. "The juror admitted not even considering the blood evidence." The blood evidence told the story. But, remember, when Casey Anthony goes on trial, she will not have a jury that wants so much to acquit her they will take any flimsy excuse to ignore the evidence.

[nc1948]

I agree if that is true that is ridiculous.

If this child find organization is a non profit, I would think that their bylaws would dictate that money would only be used to assist in the finding of a child. I wonder if it is true they hired the attorney. Just doesn't seem possible. We have had several rumors on here proven to be untrue, this is one I would like to know the truth about.

[keybored]

I disagree, they are in denial that she is dead because they want her to be alive so badly, I think its unfair for any of us to judge them unless we have been there, just because they aren't handling it to someone elses liking doesn't make me have any kind of spite for them, I am sad for them. They will come around but I dont see why it has to be forced, reality is Caylee is dead and nothing is going to being her back, especially if mommy left her for a gator or threw her in a landfill. I bet Casey loves all the posts that blame her parents. moo

I can only speak for myself (and offer my own opinion) but I don't begrudge the Anthonys for being in denial -- that, and anger, are a natural part of the grieving process. And whether or not Caylee has passed, they are grieving, for their granddaughter, their daughter and their lives (which have been turned upside down).

But, what I have a huge problem with is their obfuscation of the facts, their hostility and derision towards the media and the public (right from the start) and their blaming everyone for what is happening except their own daughter (at least in public), who I believe they know is to blame.

No, we should try not to judge them unless we've walked in their shoes. But it's inevitable that as human beings we may expect a certain level of socially acceptable behaviour regardless of how much stress or pain one is in.

The thought of that poor child being left in a landfill or thrown to the gators breaks my heart. :(

[AMS]

Why is this child find organization hiring lawyers and not using their monies to find this child. I bet their donations will drop after this.


I thought the exact same thing. I don't understand how a child find organization could justify paying for a lawyer for the Anthoneys.

[happy2bme]

I didn't think it was funny at all. :(

Neither did I.

[crymeariver2006]

So if the "distractions" are gone then the Anthony's will support the search? Or are the searchers a distraction? jmo?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/10/ng.01.html

See, this is why I'm not impressed with him.

The only distraction they have is the 22 year old one that they paid money to have there.

[Broderick]

Nope, sorry.


Homeowner associations wield a lot of power with those that are part of the homeowner's association and they can enforce bylaws through the courts. They can tell you to cut your grass, what windows are acceptable, what type of roofing, what colors, what things are on your property, etc. etc. They do not have a lot of power over those that are not part of the association. I don't think mine would be able to tell protesters to leave my street because easements and streets fall under the government clauses. They can put pressure on the Anthonys to remove excess people from the nieghborhood and they can come after the Anthonys for creating noise, traffic, parking and disturbance. They must use the court system to process when threats do not initiate compliance.

So, as I said, I want to see an injunction that specifically states people not part of the association are being addressed directly by the home owner association. Curiosity. Highly doubtful imo.

[dmh]

Hello everyone,
I mostly just lurk, but a funny thought just came to me. I remeber a scene in the move Airplane(the comedy) where a passanger went crazy screeming because the plane was going down and the stewart slapped her to snap her out of it. Then another person did the same and another did it and then there was a line waiting for there turn. even the nun.
I can picture that happening to casey:biggrin:

[joolz]

The Anthony's attorney said because if they go out and place a shovel in the ground to look for Caylee then they have surendered to the universe and t themselves that Caylee is gone and they are not ready to do that.


That may be true, but I wish NG had followed the up with asking why they aren't going door to door or trying to nab the invisible kidnappers. That would show they really do believe there's a chance she is still alive. They can't have it both ways.

Sitting on their butts, screaming at people, wasting LE's time and hiring a defense attorney seem like pretty good indicators that they have "surrendered to the universe" (sorry, makes me gag) and don't believe she is alive, not one little bit. JMO

[WinnieLeigh7]

On the Worst of Worst Days,
Remember the Words spoken....


Trust no one
Only yourself.
(Don't talk to anyone)

With great power,
comes great consequence
(You're the only one with the answer)

What is given,
can be taken away

Everyone lies

Everyone dies

(Kinda a S*it happens theory or 'words spoken')

REPEAT:
One the worst of worst days,
remember the words spoken

(when you think you can't take anymore, remember this)...

Hold your head high
(Casey states this at her first release)

Smile

Laugh

Love Unconditionally

(Party and pretend all is okay?)

Tomorrow is a Brand new day.




QUESTION:
Wonder who "spoke the words"???
Was this advice from someone, or her own inner demons speaking?

[crymeariver2006]

I thought the exact same thing. I don't understand how a child find organization could justify paying for a lawyer for the Anthoneys.

It's nowhere in there mission statement. They state that they provide the reverse 911 and help with fliers and things like that. Nowhere on there did it say that they provide criminal defense attorneys for any of the parties.

Somebody's lying or the IRS ought to take a long hard look at their books.

[day2day]

But did you notice that when NeJame commented about the legal complexities as being why G&C hired him, NG questioned him further and he mentioned George's potential charges. I'm pretty sure that incident occurred after NeJame was hired. A small thing, but still a spin.
I was not impressed with his mental agility as I had already seen him yesterday on the local channel and the Today clip. He simply repeated the same things using the same language. And when NG tried to prod him for answers, NeJame simply fell back on the LE-doesn't-want-us-to-talk-about-it response. True he was smooth and kept his cool but he is an experienced attorney.

IMO there are more than three reasons the Anthony's need Najeme.
Just from last week alone..

1. Cindy's visit to the AG's office about someone stealing her "identity".
2. The Chloroform found in Caseys car last week.
3. Oh and George's little meeting with the protestor.

And the obvious..
The pesky bloggers who keep talking bad about the Anthonys!
all my opinion

[Rebel Rouzer]

That tells you how the jurors...uh...deliberated. "The juror admitted not even considering the blood evidence." The blood evidence told the story. But, remember, when Casey Anthony goes on trial, she will not have a jury that wants so much to acquit her they will take any flimsy excuse to ignore the evidence.

I agree barskin. We have come a long way IMO with how a jury looks at evidence presented to them. Casey will get what she deserves. Hopefully Caylee can be found as well.

[frances1]

I can only speak for myself (and offer my own opinion) but I don't begrudge the Anthonys for being in denial -- that, and anger, are a natural part of the grieving process. And whether or not Caylee has passed, they are grieving, for their granddaughter, their daughter and their lives (which have been turned upside down).

But, what I have a huge problem with is their obfuscation of the facts, their hostility and derision towards the media and the public (right from the start) and their blaming everyone for what is happening except their own daughter (at least in public), who I believe they know is to blame.

No, we should try not to judge them unless we've walked in their shoes. But it's inevitable that as human beings we may expect a certain level of socially acceptable behaviour regardless of how much stress or pain one is in.

The thought of that poor child being left in a landfill or thrown to the gators breaks my heart. :(


I agree with your post. And when did making observations about behavior become "judging"? I've noticed in the recent past, that it has become the catchword for those who think that no one has ever committed a crime anywhere, any time. In my mind, judging is deciding someone's eternal fate, which none of us to my knowledge is able to do.

[happy2bme]

I can only speak for myself (and offer my own opinion) but I don't begrudge the Anthonys for being in denial -- that, and anger, are a natural part of the grieving process. And whether or not Caylee has passed, they are grieving, for their granddaughter, their daughter and their lives (which have been turned upside down).

But, what I have a huge problem with is their obfuscation of the facts, their hostility and derision towards the media and the public (right from the start) and their blaming everyone for what is happening except their own daughter (at least in public), who I believe they know is to blame.

No, we should try not to judge them unless we've walked in their shoes. But it's inevitable that as human beings we may expect a certain level of socially acceptable behaviour regardless of how much stress or pain one is in.

The thought of that poor child being left in a landfill or thrown to the gators breaks my heart. :(


great post.

[Mizzchiff]

I wish she would too. It's not like she's doing anything useful anyway.

She's looking for 'the real kidnapper' on myspace. :punch:

[Joan Weiss]

But did you notice that when NeJame commented about the legal complexities as being why G&C hired him, NG questioned him further and he mentioned George's potential charges. I'm pretty sure that incident occurred after NeJame was hired. A small thing, but still a spin.
I was not impressed with his mental agility as I had already seen him yesterday on the local channel and the Today clip. He simply repeated the same things using the same language. And when NG tried to prod him for answers, NeJame simply fell back on the LE-doesn't-want-us-to-talk-about-it response. True he was smooth and kept his cool but he is an experienced attorney.I so agree with you. When he made that statement about LE not wanting them to reveal where the tips were leading, he lost me. imo

[day2day]

See, this is why I'm not impressed with him.

The only distraction they have is the 22 year old one that they paid money to have there.

Exactly. And lets NOT forget that they are NOT allowed to discuss this case with the princess. SO...how do they think having her in the home is ever going to solve anything?

It could be just me..but Cindy said very loudly on Nancy Grace that she did NOT want people to help volunteer to help Tim find Caylee. IMO that is a far cry from-God Bless ya...

always my opinion!

[nc1948]

It's nowhere in there mission statement. They state that they provide the reverse 911 and help with fliers and things like that. Nowhere on there did it say that they provide criminal defense attorneys for any of the parties.

Somebody's lying or the IRS ought to take a long hard look at their books.

Seems like this has been posted on news, so I would think they would come out with a disclaimer if this was not true.

[joolz]

Definition of denial: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/denial (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/denial)

Psychology An unconscious defense mechanism characterized by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.

The very fact that Cindy didn’t scream, “there’s something wrong, I found my daughters car today and it smells like a maggot infested pizza’s been in the damn car!” defies the idea that the Anthony’s are in denial. She consciously said “a dead body”. This coupled with the fact that they searched their own backyard for foul play, says they are NOT in denial. They wouldn’t have allowed the thought of a dead body to enter their minds, or got off their *** to search the backyard for signs of foul play when in fact if they are to be believed, they knew Caylee hadn’t been there in a month.
Sure signs of defiance, not denial.


This is something I've been wondering about, and maybe someone with a psychology background here can answer it. Is it common for people to go into denial after realizing the truth first? Because if the Anthonys are in denial, it certainly happened after the "dead body" comment and them digging up their own backyard.

[kitty1182]

On the Worst of Worst Days,
Remember the Words spoken....


Trust no one
Only yourself.
(Don't talk to anyone)

With great power,
comes great consequence
(You're the only one with the answer)

What is given,
can be taken away

Everyone lies

Everyone dies

(Kinda a S*it happens theory or 'words spoken')

REPEAT:
One the worst of worst days,
remember the words spoken

(when you think you can't take anymore, remember this)...

Hold your head high
(Casey states this at her first release)

Smile

Laugh

Love Unconditionally

(Party and pretend all is okay?)

Tomorrow is a Brand new day.




QUESTION:
Wonder who "spoke the words"???
Was this advice from someone, or her own inner demons speaking?


I say inner demons..I've watched the clip several times when she was coming out of the house after be re arrested..She is so evil looking.I mean evil!!

[Rebel Rouzer]

That may be true, but I wish NG had followed the up with asking why they aren't going door to door or trying to nab the invisible kidnappers. That would show they really do believe there's a chance she is still alive. They can't have it both ways.

Sitting on their butts, screaming at people, wasting LE's time and hiring a defense attorney seem like pretty good indicators that they have "surrendered to the universe" (sorry, makes me gag) and don't believe she is alive, not one little bit. JMO

He did say they were helping search for her with Missing Childrens Network. I think that was the name. I haven't seen them doing this but hey they could have body doubles. :shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

I thought the exact same thing. I don't understand how a child find organization could justify paying for a lawyer for the Anthoneys.Has anyone googled him?

[Armchairdet]

Hello everyone,
I mostly just lurk, but a funny thought just came to me. I remeber a scene in the move Airplane(the comedy) where a passanger went crazy screeming because the plane was going down and the stewart slapped her to snap her out of it. Then another person did the same and another did it and then there was a line waiting for there turn. even the nun.
I can picture that happening to casey:biggrin:


About like my imagining dinner at the Anthony house before all this mess. Casey talking about her busy day at work. Lee calling and checking in with George on if they were still on for cutting down the neighbors tree. Cindy telling the family about the patients she had to deal with that need to just get off their butts. George telling about having to tackle someone at his security job because somebody walked by and stepped over onto the lawn of the business with one foot.

hammer

[Mizzchiff]

I disagree, they are in denial that she is dead because they want her to be alive so badly, I think its unfair for any of us to judge them unless we have been there, just because they aren't handling it to someone elses liking doesn't make me have any kind of spite for them, I am sad for them. They will come around but I dont see why it has to be forced, reality is Caylee is dead and nothing is going to being her back, especially if mommy left her for a gator or threw her in a landfill. I bet Casey loves all the posts that blame her parents. moo

I don't care what Casey loves. I'm not her for her. Whether they believe Caylee is alive or dead - concerned, caring grandparents would be LOOKING for their grandchild. Where has Cindy looked? I'll answer that for you - Nowhere, not one place has the Anthony family looked. We would know because Baez, Cindy, AND the media would have told us if she got off her behind and looked.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Hello everyone,
I mostly just lurk, but a funny thought just came to me. I remeber a scene in the move Airplane(the comedy) where a passanger went crazy screeming because the plane was going down and the stewart slapped her to snap her out of it. Then another person did the same and another did it and then there was a line waiting for there turn. even the nun.
I can picture that happening to casey:biggrin::lol: That's quite the visual

[crymeariver2006]

She's looking for 'the real kidnapper' on myspace. :punch:

MySpace - the new golf course.

[marshmallow]

I thought the exact same thing. I don't understand how a child find organization could justify paying for a lawyer for the Anthoneys.




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Never Lose Hope Org. hired him for the Anthony's.
(I hope I did the link right)

[Mizzchiff]

The Anthony's attorney said because if they go out and place a shovel in the ground to look for Caylee then they have surendered to the universe and t themselves that Caylee is gone and they are not ready to do that.

Then they should have a SWAT team go into that den of kidnappers that are being watched. They don't have to look for a dead Caylee, just look for Caylee. :(

[desmom]

Anthony neighbors seek to limit protesters
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-anthony-missing-091108,0,5111842.story

An attorney for the Chickasaw Oaks Phase 3 home owners association said she plans to file an injunction Friday or early next week that would limit the hours and location of the protests.

[Joan Weiss]

Neither did I.Nor I. That was very offensive. imo

[barskin&co.]

As everyone struggles to understand the true character of little Miss Casey Anthony, what has become painfully clear to me, is that the most important person in this never ending nightmare, knew. Caylee. She knew. She knew her mother's true character. She knew her heart. She lived it for almost 3 years. Can you imagine knowing what that poor child knew? She knew that she was expendable, she knew that she was a pawn, she knew she was only an accessory, arm candy, when it was convenient for her mother to portray herself as a hard working, loving mother. She did not know a mother's love. She knew the dark side. She saw it every day of her life. She lived with the insanity, the ever changing moods, the lies, the complications, the chaos. And I know what Caylee struggled and wanted more than anything, to find peace and love. And to find a place in her mother's heart where she might find a place to be. But it never was to be. Casey treated Caylee exactly like she treated everyone else in her life. Used her for what she was worth and then threw her away.
We all need to really look at this and do all that we can to bring this child justice. To do for her what her mother never did for her. To bring her dignity and unconditional love. Caylee belongs to all of us now and we will see this to the end. Stay focused and determined and let this play out with law enforcement.
With each step they take, they are holding Miss Casey accountable and responsible for her actions. Casey is not used to this. She can't manipulate her way out of this. It will all come together and she will go down. And for the first time in her life, her mom and dad can't make this go away. That is where I see the frustration coming from with her parents, they can't fix this. They have lost control. Casey has lost control. And Caylee has lost her life.
To Casey and her parents, Caylee has become merely collateral damage. Their focus now is to save their daughter. That is all they know. This explains it all.


What an insightful post, Sarah. I am so sick of hearing people describe Casey as a "wonderful mother." Posters on this board have said often that it looked like Casey truly loved Caylee - based on how she looked in pictures. Casey could smile pretty for the cameras. If standing near a person and smiling is an indication of true feelings, than we can say she "truly loved" any number of strangers at Fusian. But, we know the callous way Casey lives her life, and she was clearly not a person who is capable of love. She proves it every day she refuses to talk. She proves it when Tim Miller visits her home, and she doesn't even do any more than emerge from her room for a perfunctory "hi." She proves it when, as people work strenuously to find Caylee, she spends all day at her lawyer's office and high-fives her brother outside the office.

[Ellie]

The Anthony's attorney said because if they go out and place a shovel in the ground to look for Caylee then they have surendered to the universe and t themselves that Caylee is gone and they are not ready to do that.


I totally get that. I seriously don't think the George and Cindy had anything to do with this... I think they may have an idea that Caylee is gone forever, but they don't want to admit it. Thing is, even if they're not ready to admit she's gone, they shouldn't stand in the way of other people looking for her. She deserves a proper burial. Find that sweet little baby and give her a princess coffin filled with teddy bears and faeries. And give people a place to visit when they need to.

[kOOkie1]

Fast Forwarding ahead a little bit..I mean who would the Anthony's even have for witnesses on their behalf?? I mean their Families on both sides have been extremely quiet.. I cant see any of Casey's friends getting on the stand defending her character..As someone else posted earlier..they (the Anthony's) have lost control..they can no longer talk their way outta this one!(jmo)

[Broderick]

Anthony neighbors seek to limit protesters
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-anthony-missing-091108,0,5111842.story

An attorney for the Chickasaw Oaks Phase 3 home owners association said she plans to file an injunction Friday or early next week that would limit the hours and location of the protests.

I will be curious to see how this works in court.

[AnnInOhio]

But did you notice that when NeJame commented about the legal complexities as being why G&C hired him, NG questioned him further and he mentioned George's potential charges. I'm pretty sure that incident occurred after NeJame was hired. A small thing, but still a spin. *snip*

Has anyone considered how GA may react against Casey when Caylee's body is found? When his "reasonable doubt" evaporates? I think if Casey is in that house when GA gets the definitive word that Caylee is dead it's not gonna be pretty for Casey. My guess is that somebody in the Anthony family camp thinks the same thing, hence the call to LE about the gun. GA needs an attorney "on call" for what he and CA know is the inevitable.

[barskin&co.]

Then they should have a SWAT team go into that den of kidnappers that are being watched. They don't have to look for a dead Caylee, just look for Caylee. :(


Oh, I couldn't agree with you more about that!

[FrankieBones1]

Neither did I.I think I can speak for a lot of us here. Neither did we.

[joolz]

I agree with your post. And when did making observations about behavior become "judging"? I've noticed in the recent past, that it has become the catchword for those who think that no one has ever committed a crime anywhere, any time. In my mind, judging is deciding someone's eternal fate, which none of us to my knowledge is able to do.

I think it was right around the same time that "rush to judgment" became a catch phrase when LE's first suspicions in domestic murders turned on spouses. So unreasonable.:rolleyes:

It's amazing - and frightening - what can be done with language spinning. But that's probably a discussion for the political threads.:(

[barskin&co.]

Has anyone considered how GA may react against Casey when Caylee's body is found? When his "reasonable doubt" evaporates? I think if Casey is in that house when GA gets the definitive word that Caylee is dead it's not gonna be pretty for Casey. My guess is that somebody in the Anthony family camp thinks the same thing, hence the call to LE about the gun. GA needs an attorney "on call" for what he and CA know is the inevitable.

Well, if they do accept the DNA results, I think we all know what he will say: The kidnappers did it!

[day2day]

Cindy Anthony, Caylee's grandmother, called 911 to get Pounders off her property. Deputies said the problem is that the grass between the sidewalk and street isn't their property.

"The easement is public property," Orange County Sheriff's Office spokesman Carlos Padilla said.

But the Anthonys control the sprinklers and turned them on to soak Pounders. Lee Anthony, Casey's brother, stomped on the sign and threw it away while protesters yelled at him.

It's the kind of heated exchange that concerns deputies. The 32 calls to the home have required as many as nine deputies at a time for incidents such as fights, trespassing and disturbing the peace between the Anthonys, neighbors and protesters.


http://www.wesh.com/news/17445767/detail.html

[FrankieBones1]

I wish Nancy would ask about George Anthony's statement
saying that they 'knew' where the kidnappers were ..

Why haven't they retrieved Caylee if they know where she is???

I noticed when Nancy asked any hard questions the lawyer would repeat, "Law enforcement told me not to speak about it".

That's the answer Nancy would have received from Nejame. ((Or Nee Jang, as Ms. Grace calls him.))

[crymeariver2006]

Exactly. And lets NOT forget that they are NOT allowed to discuss this case with the princess. SO...how do they think having her in the home is ever going to solve anything?

It could be just me..but Cindy said very loudly on Nancy Grace that she did NOT want people to help volunteer to help Tim find Caylee. IMO that is a far cry from-God Bless ya...

always my opinion!

Yeah, kinda like I doubt "bless" was the word that followed "God"....

[cutiepatootie61]

So you can confidently say there is no possibility whatsoever that Cindy may be in shock?

Not now, I agree in the very beginning she probably was in shock. Her behavior shortly after this fiasco began tells me the shock has wore off rather quickly. She is in the grief process. She's moved through denial, within the first few minutes of picking up the car imo. Through the bargaining stage, and now the whole Anthony clan appears to be in the anger stage. Hence their behaviors of late. But they can't publicly state that they believe Caylee is gone from the hands of their daughter, they are fighting to save and protect Casey, there's nothing to do for Caylee anymore, in Cindy's words, "it's in God's hands now". And in their defense of their daughter, they have disregarded the law, their granddaughter, and their dignity. But they're requesting a pass on all this and want to play victims. I can't force myself to give them that pass, sorry.

Content:

What are the stages of the loss process (http://www.coping.org/grief/stages.htm#stages)
Denial (http://www.coping.org/grief/stages.htm#Denial)
Bargaining (http://www.coping.org/grief/stages.htm#Bargaining)
Anger (http://www.coping.org/grief/stages.htm#Anger)
Despair (http://www.coping.org/grief/stages.htm#Despair)
Acceptance (http://www.coping.org/grief/stages.htm#Acceptance)
http://www.coping.org/grief/stages.htm

[Armchairdet]

I honestly think they think people are stupid. That the amazing spins they offer will be accepted. Those that don't accept them they pity. Or, loath. It is not simply not wanting to accept that Caylee is gone. They have gone way beyond that. But just as Casey could easily fool her parents about her job and never leave the house, they too think they can just wave off people as they plea with them to help find Caylee. To give us something so we can look. If they truely believed she was kidnapped why not go get her?

[Regina.Lampert]

This is something I've been wondering about, and maybe someone with a psychology background here can answer it. Is it common for people to go into denial after realizing the truth first? Because if the Anthonys are in denial, it certainly happened after the "dead body" comment and them digging up their own backyard.

What a great question Joolz! I believe the sequence of cynthia and george's statements account for the reason so many people have criticized them.

I can understand someone being grieved, but that does not explain the harsh criticism of LE, the ridiculous excuses for evidence or the outrageous comments made publicly such as - when all this is over, we'll give casey anthony the Mother of the Year award.

Nope, these people have gone from supporting their daughter to helping create a defense by attempting to plant seeds of reasonable doubt. IMO, they do not want casey anthony to pay for what she has so obviously done.

[cutiepatootie61]

IMO there are more than three reasons the Anthony's need Najeme.
Just from last week alone..

1. Cindy's visit to the AG's office about someone stealing her "identity".
2. The Chloroform found in Caseys car last week.
3. Oh and George's little meeting with the protestor.

And the obvious..
The pesky bloggers who keep talking bad about the Anthonys!
all my opinion

I totally agree. Within days of each other, Cindy claims her identity stolen, chloroform results are leaked, defense atty hired.
Cindy Anthony claims her identity was stolen
Sept. 1
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7345035&version=1&locale=EN-US (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7345035&version=1&locale=EN-US)
Chloroform found in car released
Sept. 3
http://www.wesh.com/news/17377729/detail.html (http://www.wesh.com/news/17377729/detail.html)
The Anthony’s meet with NeJame on September 3, he officially begins representing them on September 4.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee0408sep04,0,6717044.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee0408sep04,0,6717044.story)
Meanwhile, Casey Anthony's parents, Cindy and George Anthony, met Wednesday afternoon with high-profile lawyer Mark NeJame (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/crime-law-justice/justice-system/lawyers/mark-nejame-PEBSL000017.topic).

NeJame wouldn't go into detail about what was discussed at the meeting. But he said the family is frustrated that the public and the media have lost focus of the search for Caylee.

The Anthonys wanted to better understand the legal process and the media to figure out what's happening, NeJame said.

[kitty1182]

I think I can speak for a lot of us here. Neither did we.

I must have missed it..:confused:

[OneUp]

I think this was posted on last night's thread.....

Criminal Profiler Says Casey Anthony is "Punishing Everyone"
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/09/profiler-says-c.html

If you bring up Caylee, she will shut down. She is not interested. If a chronic liar who feels no remorse knows people need her, she is flush with power."

ETA ~

Criminal Profiler Shares More Thoughts on Caylee Anthony Case

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/08/criminal-profil.html

Prior to killing, they begin slipping into increasingly outlandish behaviors. It is a twisted form of a cry for help. So, instead of staying home with the children and working on becoming more emotionally stable, they engage in teenager type behaviors. They have affairs and quit their jobs. Going out at a moment's notice becomes routine and they withdraw from their children."
I have read the posting by Dr.S-K. She has a good handle on Casey IMO, pretty much the same as people on the boards have been discussing, Impressive that the posters w/o the educational background she ahs but with life experience came up with a good paradigm of Caseys behavior.
I always try to remember to never undervalue Life Experience. Mine has served me as well as every year of college education I have ( but college DID teach me some snooty-fallooty terminology!:D).
In regards to whether or not there are "normal" responses to situation like this one:
"I have volunteered to help parents of murdered children, and I can say unequivocally that every parent I have ever worked with cooperated fully with police," Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said. "There were no lies to authorities. Innocent parents are desperate to find a missing child. They make themselves sick with worry. Ms. Anthony comes across as being more worried about herself than Caylee. She is flat emotionally when it comes to her missing child. There were lies from the beginning and an attempt to mislead police. Her actions are terribly abnormal and inconsistent with those of a grieving parent."
From:Criminal Profiler Shares More Thoughts on Caylee Anthony Case
Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/08/criminal-profil.html

IMO, the same predictability in behavior applies to close family members. People tend to behave in predictable patterns, there are always some aberrations, but they are just that...unnatural and occur in people whose entire psyche is "abnormal" or in a situation that is not "normal". Again, That is IMO...Most sociologists would agree with this. Unless there are many factors at work other than those the public is being presented with, it doesn't take a Gee-Knee-Us to know that ducks quack like ducks and if it yips like a fox it's time to check your duckpond.

Always, JMO.

[Joan Weiss]

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Never Lose Hope Org. hired him for the Anthony's.
(I hope I did the link right)Thanks. I found this website for NeJame's law practice:

http://www.nejamelaw.com/

[Rebel Rouzer]

I totally get that. I seriously don't think the George and Cindy had anything to do with this... I think they may have an idea that Caylee is gone forever, but they don't want to admit it. Thing is, even if they're not ready to admit she's gone, they shouldn't stand in the way of other people looking for her. She deserves a proper burial. Find that sweet little baby and give her a princess coffin filled with teddy bears and faeries. And give people a place to visit when they need to.


I am in total agreeent with you about standing in the way of others who don't believe she is alive and are searching. Caylee does deserve a proper burial.

I'm still battling with the opinion that GA may have helped cover up what Casey did. At times I believe he did other times I'm not so sure. Nejame's comments about LE clearing the Anthon'y of any involvement at all is interesting. I was under the impression they were looking at GA. Who knows. This case is crazy.

[nc1948]

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Never Lose Hope Org. hired him for the Anthony's.
(I hope I did the link right)


Thank you so much Marshmallow. I am not very good at searching but with everyones great help on here I am learning. I will never be as good as lots of you are, but do hope I can get better. Thanks again.

[day2day]

I noticed when Nancy asked any hard questions the lawyer would repeat, "Law enforcement told me not to speak about it".

That's the answer Nancy would have received from Nejame. ((Or Nee Jang, as Ms. Grace calls him.))

Exactly. And God Bless the searchers. And ..shame on the bloggers who don't see the Anthony's as grieving grandparents. That sums it up for me.
Granted he has a TOUGH job.

jmo

[WinnieLeigh7]

I say inner demons..I've watched the clip several times when she was coming out of the house after be re arrested..She is so evil looking.I mean evil!!


I just noticed in the original statement that Casey stated that ZGF called her on June 12th (after taking Caylee on June 9th) and that Caylee called her mom on the 15th of July (which just happens to be the day everything was falling apart...this is also the day she started 'texting friends' etc. to let them know Caylee was missing.

Pretty obvious it was a "I'm so busted, I need to ATTEMPT to back petal" now moment...


Anyone notice that in this statement too, she mentions a Jennifer Rosa as a roomate to the nanny.

I think I missed that before...
I knew Raquel and now sister Samantha, but overlooked "Jennifer rosa"


Okay :read: back to 'reviewing'

Sorry for the ramblings, I'm trying to find the missing link that we've been overlooking.....(wishful thinking I know)

[AMS]

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100020825&docId=l:849128205&start=4



Never Lose Hope Org. hired him for the Anthony's.
(I hope I did the link right)

Thanks. The linked worked great. I checked out the web site of the Never Lose Hope Foundation.

www.neverlosehopefoundation.org/about.html

Hiring an attorney for the Anthonys makes no sense to me based on their mission (as another poster stated earlier). Hmmmmmm....

[barskin&co.]

I noticed when Nancy asked any hard questions the lawyer would repeat, "Law enforcement told me not to speak about it".

That's the answer Nancy would have received from Nejame. ((Or Nee Jang, as Ms. Grace calls him.))
The "Law Enforcement have blah blah..." statements kept piling up as time went on, and, you know what? I have my doubts that LE told him any of that.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Fast Forwarding ahead a little bit..I mean who would the Anthony's even have for witnesses on their behalf?? I mean their Families on both sides have been extremely quiet.. I cant see any of Casey's friends getting on the stand defending her character..As someone else posted earlier..they (the Anthony's) have lost control..they can no longer talk their way outta this one!(jmo)

I had a theory the other day on his. It's possible that the Anthony's told the family to stay away so they didn't get caught up in all the drama and media circus etc. I have to believe they had some friends and family. It would be strange if they didn't. One person not having friends and family to support them is one thing. A whole family? That seems odd to me.

[luvinlife]

Never Lose Hope Org. hired him for them.

I thought it was said that they helped find him for them at a reduced rate. I don't have a link, but it was on of the first articles about the Anthony's using him.

[luvinlife]

Good point. No excuse for not providing something of Caylee's for the dogs. They don't want to find Caylee. imo



Didn't the trash lady say that channel 2 told her that TES did have something of Caylee's for scent. I don't know if she said this on air, or just on her fox blog thingy.

[joolz]

What a great question Joolz! I believe the sequence of cynthia and george's statements account for the reason so many people have criticized them.

I can understand someone being grieved, but that does not explain the harsh criticism of LE, the ridiculous excuses for evidence or the outrageous comments made publicly such as - when all this is over, we'll give casey anthony the Mother of the Year award.

Nope, these people have gone from supporting their daughter to helping create a defense by attempting to plant seeds of reasonable doubt. IMO, they do not want casey anthony to pay for what she has so obviously done.

Exactly. So instead of the normal stages of grieving which would go from denial to bargaining, the Anthonys are going from denial to cover-up. A whole new category in the grieving stages - I wonder if it will become the standard? Well, they do seem to like to make up their own rules as they go along.:rolleyes:

[Armchairdet]

I had a theory the other day on his. It's possible that the Anthony's told the family to stay away so they didn't get caught up in all the drama and media circus etc. I have to believe they had some friends and family. It would be strange if they didn't. One person not having friends and family to support them is one thing. A whole family? That seems odd to me.

Well, that's true. I mean I have also not heard anyone come forward and say that they know the family and they are all nuttier than fruitcakes. And in a case like this media would have found such a person willing to talk if that was the case. IMO

I do think they were reserved and probably did not have a lot of close friendships. IMO

[spiritwolf46]

Thanks. The linked worked great. I checked out the web site of the Never Lose Hope Foundation.

www.neverlosehopefoundation.org/about.html

Hiring an attorney for the Anthonys makes no sense to me based on their mission (as another poster stated earlier). Hmmmmmm....

Makes no sense to me either and I have read that mission about three times. I do not see anywhere on there where they would pay for an attorney, let alone a high-profile attorney at best.

[nc1948]

Has anyone considered how GA may react against Casey when Caylee's body is found? When his "reasonable doubt" evaporates? I think if Casey is in that house when GA gets the definitive word that Caylee is dead it's not gonna be pretty for Casey. My guess is that somebody in the Anthony family camp thinks the same thing, hence the call to LE about the gun. GA needs an attorney "on call" for what he and CA know is the inevitable.

My thoughts are that when and if the body is ever recovered, even with Dna the grandparents will not accept that this is Caylee. I am so afraid the Casey will be in jail and the grandparents will refuse the body. Then those that love her (posters on forums) will need to once again step up and take care of giving this precious child body a final resting place. The public has had to step up and look for this child sp it would be an honor to help take care of her.

[Fallen Angel]

has anyone read this?


New Charges have been filed.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17445767/detail.html

[Joan Weiss]

Didn't the trash lady say that channel 2 told her that TES did have something of Caylee's for scent. I don't know if she said this on air, or just on her fox blog thingy.I never heard that, but the trashlady is just that, a trashlady.

The chain of command on that statement is too long, imo.

I hope Cindy did, though. imo

[Kathlb]

On the Worst of Worst Days,
Remember the Words spoken....


*snip*

Everyone lies

Everyone dies

*snip

QUESTION:
Wonder who "spoke the words"???
Was this advice from someone, or her own inner demons speaking?



Picture House is an Irish pop rock band, the lines came from their song, "15th Time" lyrics below.

Biting it off again
Stabbing my feeding hand
Stepping off every train
to meet the same thing
Hosing the fire grate
Drinking the water baby
I've been a fool it seems
All these years
Making the old mistakes
Praying my day won't break
Everyone lies
Everyone lies
Everyone lies someday

Close to the open flames
I burn my tired wings
Drawn to the light it seems
In all these things
Leaving the one night standing
Finding the lost and lonely
Flies in my soup again
Is this my only face
Letting my bird escape
Everyone lies,everyone lies
Everyone lies someday
Someday everyone lies
Everyone lies
Everything dies someday

So for the 15th time
Parked on a double line
This happens every time
I change my mind
Making the old mistake
Praying my day won't break
Everyone lies
Everyone lies
Everyone lies someday
Everyone lies
Everything dies
Everyone dies someday

http://www.last.fm/music/Picturehouse

[dmh]

There is no reason for casey not going to the police asap if caylee was kidnaped. Even if I was told to read a script and if you don't harm would come to caylee.. My child is in DANGER no matter how you look at it and I would take my chances on the police. I am sure the police are trained how to handle something like this, and be decrete. We wouldn't even have a thread on this subject right now.:mad:

[Rebel Rouzer]

Well, that's true. I mean I have also not heard anyone come forward and say that they know the family and they are all nuttier than fruitcakes. And in a case like this media would have found such a person willing to talk if that was the case. IMO

I do think they were reserved and probably did not have a lot of close friendships. IMO

If they were reserved they don't seem so reserved now. lol But you are right we haven't heard from people eitgher for or against the family that knew/knows them.

[Broderick]

has anyone read this?


New Charges have been filed.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17445767/detail.html


Yes. I checked here: http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547 and didn't see anything new.

[AnnInOhio]

I honestly think they think people are stupid. That the amazing spins they offer will be accepted. Those that don't accept them they pity. Or, loath. It is not simply not wanting to accept that Caylee is gone. They have gone way beyond that. But just as Casey could easily fool her parents about her job and never leave the house, they too think they can just wave off people as they plea with them to help find Caylee. To give us something so we can look. If they truely believed she was kidnapped why not go get her?

Well duh! Look at all the carp they swallowed from Casey. Casey wasn't fooling them, they just chose to drag their feet doing anything about it. They threaten to seek custody of Caylee but never do it. They always seem to take the easy route, and in this case that route is to play along with Casey's implausible story.

[luvinlife]

Definition of denial: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/denial (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/denial)

Psychology An unconscious defense mechanism characterized by refusal to acknowledge painful realities, thoughts, or feelings.

The very fact that Cindy didn’t scream, “there’s something wrong, I found my daughters car today and it smells like a maggot infested pizza’s been in the damn car!” defies the idea that the Anthony’s are in denial. She consciously said “a dead body”. This coupled with the fact that they searched their own backyard for foul play, says they are NOT in denial. They wouldn’t have allowed the thought of a dead body to enter their minds, or got off their *** to search the backyard for signs of foul play when in fact if they are to be believed, they knew Caylee hadn’t been there in a month.
Sure signs of defiance, not denial.



Personally I would call her initial reaction panic, and after the panic I do believe it is possible to slip into shock then denial. jmo

[Rebel Rouzer]

has anyone read this?


New Charges have been filed.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17445767/detail.html

I heard something about it lastnight and that she would be rearrested soon and someone will have to post bail for the new charges for Casey to get out AGAIN.

[Pooh]

has anyone read this?


New Charges have been filed.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17445767/detail.html
Thank you for posting this. Prelude to the big hammer coming down on her one day.

[day2day]

has anyone read this?


New Charges have been filed.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17445767/detail.html

Thanks Fallen Angel..and using Najeme's words..God Bless ya Amy!!

[crymeariver2006]

has anyone read this?


New Charges have been filed.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17445767/detail.html

I think the first part of that article is the official charges from the last arrest - the ones that Casey must plead guilty or not guilty to. Baez will probably enter a not guilty in writing, like he did with the current neglect et al charges.

The next paragraph talks about new arrest (that we're all anticipating) for additional charges.

[Kathlb]

has anyone read this?


New Charges have been filed.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17445767/detail.html

Whoa! Ten new charges concerning Amy's money and checks. Casey was a check writing machine that day! MOO

[Joan Weiss]

Florida legal-Grand theft:

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=ch0812/Sec014.HTM

[Pebbles]

But did you notice that when NeJame commented about the legal complexities as being why G&C hired him, NG questioned him further and he mentioned George's potential charges. I'm pretty sure that incident occurred after NeJame was hired. A small thing, but still a spin.
I was not impressed with his mental agility as I had already seen him yesterday on the local channel and the Today clip. He simply repeated the same things using the same language. And when NG tried to prod him for answers, NeJame simply fell back on the LE-doesn't-want-us-to-talk-about-it response. True he was smooth and kept his cool but he is an experienced attorney.



I cannot understand why Nejame was hired to do public relations for the Anthonys if he is a defense attorney either. I do get the impression that Nejame wants to make the Anthonys look like the victims. Nejame wants to use the media to get the public to have sympathy for the Anthonys, and make the LE and the searchers (Tim MIller) look like the bad guys. If you feel sorry for the Anthonys then when Casey is arrested Nejame can go back on television and say that LE don't have a case, the Anthonys still feel that Caylee is alive. Caylee is not dead. Casey may lie but she isn't a murderer! How could LE be so mean to this family!

I know Cindy called LE when she located Caylee, but that was before she realized that Casey may have harmed Caylee. After that Cindy and the Anthony family concentrated on protecting Casey, when they knew they could no longer help Caylee. Unfortunately their defense of Casey means more to them than finding their granddaughter and bringing her home.

It is upsetting that protecting the way the public feels about them is more important than searching for Caylee. If they still think that Caylee is alive, instead of spending money on a defense attorney to take care of their public relations with the media, take that money and go out and search for Caylee where there have been sightings. What happened with "going door to door" as Cindy mentioned on a news show when Caylee first went missing.

I don't care how the Anthonys' attorney wants to spin it, Caylee is now becoming a means for making money, and apparently it is going towards defending the Anthonys and Casey and not towards searching for Caylee. Oh I forgot, they didn't want to contribute anything to Tim Miller or his organization because Caylee is still alive, but they will take money from another missing child organization for their defense. Instead of going out and yelling at protesters, go out and look for Caylee since you have said that you have information on who has her!


Caylee there are people that care and want to bring you home!:rose:

[Rebel Rouzer]

LOL Rebbie, Look at them...George throws hid Dad through a window, Casey steals from the Grandparents, her Mother begs her not to press charges and pays them back. Holly the neighbor ran off. I really think this Family doesn't have any one left because of the way they act. If you say one thing against Casey...Your out and the Family will not talk to you. Rick (cindy's brother) said they will not answer their phone to Family members. Yet Cindy answers strangers calls.

That is strange. I guess I don't get anything about this family.

[barskin&co.]

Well, between Mark Nejame's fervent psychobabble last night (and I did say, he certainly was an improvement over Larry Garrison), Nancy Grace tried to ask him some specifics:

NEJAME: No, I`m sorry. I`ve gotten -- in fact, there`s four now. I`ve had -- we`ve had four different people contact us concerning information they have as to having seen her. So we pass them...

GRACE: What is it? Where is she?

NEJAME: They`re different cities. We turned them over to law enforcement.

GRACE: Well, what are they?

NEJAME: We`ve spoken to law enforcement as recently as...

GRACE: Well, why don`t you want the public to know what the new leads are?

NEJAME: I would like to. I`m respecting law enforcement, which I know you surely want to do, and they`ve asked us not to state any of this on the public, not state it on the airwaves because it might impede, in fact -- it might, in fact, impede investigations. And the person that I spoke to was the chief with the Orange County sheriff`s department. So we confirmed that, but I`m not going to jeopardize...

GRACE: Back to Mr. Nejame, attorney for George and Cindy Anthony. He`s joining us here from our Manhattan studios. He is a Florida criminal defense attorney, practices in multiple jurisdictions. Have your clients acknowledged the chloroform in the car? Do they have any idea where it may have come from?

NEJAME: And again, that goes to an area that we`ve been specifically asked not to get into it by law enforcement. But I need to make one point very clear.

GRACE: With us the attorney for Cindy and George Anthony. Mark Nejame is with us, joining us in our Manhattan studios.

Sir, how are your clients dealing with Casey Anthony being in their home? They`re not allowed to speak to her about the case, correct?

NEJAME: They`re not supposed to be speaking about the case. And we have been, again, asked and I really wish I could say more but I have to respect, as I know you will, Orange County`s sheriff`s office request not to get into any of that.

To Mark Nejame, the attorney for the Anthonys, did your clients ever meet, talk to, spot, see, drive by, this Zenaida Gonzalez person?

NEJAME: I sure wish you`d stop asking about the case. You know I`m not allowed to answer it. And I`ll go anywhere but I can`t get into that.

GRACE: Just yes or no. One syllable.

NEJAME: No, no, no. The answer is improper.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/10/ng.01.html


As Larry would say, "the spin is getting out of control!"

[nc1948]

You're kidding, right?

So if Caylee is found dead, message board posters will be granted her body, right?

Just when I thought I'd seen everything.........

Sorry, i did not write that clearly. I meant that through donations we could help in taking care of her final resting place. That is why is usually lurk and don't post, I don't do a good job of writing what i am thinking. will go back to lurking.

[Armchairdet]

If they were reserved they don't seem so reserved now. lol But you are right we haven't heard from people eitgher for or against the family that knew/knows them.

Well, I didn't mean reserved as in not confrontational. Just maybe not super friendly and open people that would have a lot of close friendships.

[keybored]

Exactly. So instead of the normal stages of grieving which would go from denial to bargaining, the Anthonys are going from denial to cover-up. A whole new category in the grieving stages - I wonder if it will become the standard? Well, they do seem to like to make up their own rules as they go along.:rolleyes:

IMO.... the Anthonys are in their own version of denial, which, as you said in a previous post, may be out of sequence. Having gone through the grieving process, I know one can go back and forth between the stages.

With respect to the Anthonys, I get the feeling that their denial is "self imposed" in the sense that I think they know what has happened but have decided not to accept it and have gone into major denial mode.

It's like when you were five and you didn't want to hear what someone said so you stuck your fingers in your ears and went "la la la la... I can't hear you".

[Mizzchiff]

Homeowner associations wield a lot of power with those that are part of the homeowner's association and they can enforce bylaws through the courts. They can tell you to cut your grass, what windows are acceptable, what type of roofing, what colors, what things are on your property, etc. etc. They do not have a lot of power over those that are not part of the association. I don't think mine would be able to tell protesters to leave my street because easements and streets fall under the government clauses. They can put pressure on the Anthonys to remove excess people from the nieghborhood and they can come after the Anthonys for creating noise, traffic, parking and disturbance. They must use the court system to process when threats do not initiate compliance.

So, as I said, I want to see an injunction that specifically states people not part of the association are being addressed directly by the home owner association. Curiosity. Highly doubtful imo.

Basically the HOA can fine the Anthonys for costs incurred by HOA to bring the Anthony home into compliance with the HOA rules. (ie towing of the sign)

[desmom]

States files official charges against Casey Anthony
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7409128&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

The charges stem from her arrest on Friday August 29. Anthony has been charged with Grand Theft Third Degree, three charges of Fraudulent use of Personal Information, three Forgery of a Check charges, and three charges of Uttering a Forged Check.

[kitty1182]

Sorry, i did not write that clearly. I meant that through donations we could help in taking care of her final resting place. That is why is usually lurk and don't post, I don't do a good job of writing what i am thinking. will go back to lurking.

Don't leave...Please post! :)

[nachomama]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7409128&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[dixielover]

The Anthony's attorney said because if they go out and place a shovel in the ground to look for Caylee then they have surendered to the universe and t themselves that Caylee is gone and they are not ready to do that.

No one said that they have to dig for their daughter- how about giving pats on back or handling them a glass of water. Or even, start driving that rolling billboard around - I remember that GA said that he would drive it from state to state- I think he made it down to the Publix parking lot (probably picking up brownie mix. jmo

[bballgrl]

Sorry, i did not write that clearly. I meant that through donations we could help in taking care of her final resting place. That is why is usually lurk and don't post, I don't do a good job of writing what i am thinking. will go back to lurking.

No way. You have the right to post just as everyone else. I completely understood what you meant and DG is just being difficult. Don't let the comments bother you. You have to have a tough skin to be an IS poster! ;)

[Mizzchiff]

I just don't believe they are in denial.George is ex-LE and Cindy's a nurse. They know,but IMO they are scared this is a death penalty case and they are trying to keep Casey off death row by raising doubt.

If that's the case then they could have encouraged her to tell where Caylee's body was in exchange for not facing the DP. Casey's never had to face repercussions for her actions..

[Joan Weiss]

This looks interesting. LE is very clever, imo.

Read under "C," #1, mentions child abuse:


http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec084.HTM

[Pooh]

Sorry, i did not write that clearly. I meant that through donations we could help in taking care of her final resting place. That is why is usually lurk and don't post, I don't do a good job of writing what i am thinking. will go back to lurking.
No no no no. Don't let DaddysGirl run you off. Stay and post with us!!

[nc1948]

The local people can make a place of remembrance for Caylee- a bench in a park and special garden, butterfly bushes (do they have them in Fla?) things like that. Don't need the body to love and remember a little life obliterated and tossed away.

Wouldn't surprise me if they Anthonys leave her skeletal remains unclaimed for some time, or bury them up in ohio- out of sight out of mind and out of mind then maybe didn't really happen.


Thank you so much, this is basically what i was trying to sa. I really do not think they will claim the body. Because Caylee is still alive, she is just misplaced.

[kOOkie1]

Well, I didn't mean reserved as in not confrontational. Just maybe not super friendly and open people that would have a lot of close friendships.


I agree..I dont think they let alot of people into their personal life. (jmo)

[Mizzchiff]

So you can confidently say there is no possibility whatsoever that Cindy may be in shock?

I've BEEN in shock and denial - it didn't make me lie :rolleyes:

[barskin&co.]

Sorry, i did not write that clearly. I meant that through donations we could help in taking care of her final resting place. That is why is usually lurk and don't post, I don't do a good job of writing what i am thinking. will go back to lurking.


Please don't feel you have to go back to lurking. You said nothing wrong. :seeya:

[Kathlb]

Florida legal-Grand theft:

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=ch0812/Sec014.HTM


I wonder if she could be charged as an habitual felony offender. If so, it could be much worse than the last time. Abuse of an elderly person is in there too which could be on down the line concerning her grandfather's money.

[Armchairdet]

Sorry, i did not write that clearly. I meant that through donations we could help in taking care of her final resting place. That is why is usually lurk and don't post, I don't do a good job of writing what i am thinking. will go back to lurking.

Please continue to post. I enjoy reading what people have to say. No matter what you post and how carefully you post it (general you) someone will misunderstand. Kind of a Murphy's Law sort of thing.

I would be glad to donate for such a cause.

[GrandmaGA]

My thoughts are that when and if the body is ever recovered, even with Dna the grandparents will not accept that this is Caylee. I am so afraid the Casey will be in jail and the grandparents will refuse the body. Then those that love her (posters on forums) will need to once again step up and take care of giving this precious child body a final resting place. The public has had to step up and look for this child sp it would be an honor to help take care of her.



oh please, quit stretching the drama

[Rebel Rouzer]

Sorry, i did not write that clearly. I meant that through donations we could help in taking care of her final resting place. That is why is usually lurk and don't post, I don't do a good job of writing what i am thinking. will go back to lurking.


Don't go back to kurking. Most of us here understood your post and what you meant.

[MyrDawn]

Homeowner associations wield a lot of power with those that are part of the homeowner's association and they can enforce bylaws through the courts. They can tell you to cut your grass, what windows are acceptable, what type of roofing, what colors, what things are on your property, etc. etc. They do not have a lot of power over those that are not part of the association. I don't think mine would be able to tell protesters to leave my street because easements and streets fall under the government clauses. They can put pressure on the Anthonys to remove excess people from the nieghborhood and they can come after the Anthonys for creating noise, traffic, parking and disturbance. They must use the court system to process when threats do not initiate compliance.

So, as I said, I want to see an injunction that specifically states people not part of the association are being addressed directly by the home owner association. Curiosity. Highly doubtful imo.

I haven't looked for a copy of the injunction, if it's been filed yet, and don't feel a need to see it. You can if you want, but I see no reason for the media to lie about it. I'd think they'd love tell us if the HOA was trying to boot the A's,m so why would they lie and say the injuction is to keep the protesters out?

An attorney for the Chickasaw Oaks Phase 3 home owners association said she plans to file an injunction Friday or early next week that would limit the hours and location of the protests.

"We do not care if the content supports or criticizes the Anthonys," attorney Karen Wonsetler said. "What we hope to accomplish is to restrict the time, place and manner of the protest to reasonable activities and hours."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee-anthony-missing-091108,0,1513322.story

The homeowners association of their neighbor is seeking an injunction to keep all the protesters and sightseers out.

http://fav.or.it/post/490440/casey-anthony-update-11-september

An effort is underway to get rid of protesters at the Anthony home in east Orange County.

The homeowners' association has filed an injunction to stop the dozens of people who show up daily in front of the home, protesting that George and Cindy Anthony's daughter Casey, was let out of jail. Many of the protesters are upset holding signs suggesting Casey killed her three year old daughter Caylee Marie.

http://wdbo.com/includes/news/indepth/05392_Effort_underway_to_curb_protesters_at_Anthon y_home_081255.html
JMO

[kitty1182]

oh please, quit stretching the drama

You stop too..That poster has as much right to post on here as you do..

[Joan Weiss]

Sorry, i did not write that clearly. I meant that through donations we could help in taking care of her final resting place. That is why is usually lurk and don't post, I don't do a good job of writing what i am thinking. will go back to lurking.There's nothing wrong with your post. Welcome to the board. You'll get used to the snipes, imo. :seeya:

[WinnieLeigh7]

What does Cindy 'mark through' on her statement, as correcting herself?

Why does Lee state Casey as MIA
Alot of military style talk

(probably nothing)

George starts out in military time (expected of LE), but changes half way through


Okay...
Just ramblings above...

BUT

Here's something I've seen many ask about


Casey abandoned the car (or it was seen) at 730 that morning (of June 27)

She called Jesse @ 10 am to take a shower

**Still looking through for the time she called Tony to pick her up (who she calls Anthony in her statement btw)...which I thought was ~10 PM


What happened between 730 and 10 am??
how did she get to Jesse's?
Who's car?
did she have groceries then?
When did she leave Jesses?
How did she leave?
Where did she go?
And what happened between the time she left until she called Tony??
How did she get back to her car to call Tony? Did someone drop her off? If not, where was her means of transportation to get her there??


730 is mightly early to abandon a car, where was she before then?
Where did she stay the night of the 26
What happened between the time Amscot closed on the 26th until the 730 they opened on the 27th
Obviously wasn't at Tony's because she tells him on the night of the 27th to pick her up, her car was out of gas...



Okay......:read:

[day2day]

So you think this is the easy route, huh? I have to wonder exactly what about their situation you find easy. Have you ever traveled the route their on? I tend to doubt it.

You have to admit alot of this so called "route" they paved themselves.
jmo

[Fallen Angel]

States files official charges against Casey Anthony
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7409128&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

The charges stem from her arrest on Friday August 29. Anthony has been charged with Grand Theft Third Degree, three charges of Fraudulent use of Personal Information, three Forgery of a Check charges, and three charges of Uttering a Forged Check.

that sweet Princess might do some hard time .......imo

[luvinlife]

I never heard that, but the trashlady is just that, a trashlady.

The chain of command on that statement is too long, imo.

I hope Cindy did, though. imo


lol I agree but she told whatever news guy that she thought she could get something of Caylee's from the garbage (yeah right) and give it to Tim, another news guy said they already had something. I just can't remember where I read that. :shrug:

[newbiee]

motion to preserve forensic evidence gathered during the investigation into the disappearance of the three year old.



What exactly does this mean?

[desmom]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee-anthony-missing-091108,0,1513322.story

The 22-year-old is charged with one count grand theft; three counts of fraudulent use of personal identification information; three counts of forgery of a check and two counts of uttering a forged check. Each count is a third-degree felony, which is punishable by up to five years in prison.

[kitty1182]

that sweet Princess might do some hard time .......imo

That would be nice!! :)

[happy2bme]

I agree 100%!

Okay call me dumb...what or who is Kubler-Ross? Don't laugh at me.:shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

Shock and denial over the loss of your baby grandaughter, at the hands of your daughter? I think very few of us have been in their situation. But really, I applaud you for having what it takes to be in shock and denial with such grace and poise.
:rolleyes:Your post is really unwarranted. Um...got any links to contribute today?

[day2day]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee-anthony-missing-091108,0,1513322.story

The 22-year-old is charged with one count grand theft; three counts of fraudulent use of personal identification information; three counts of forgery of a check and two counts of uttering a forged check. Each count is a third-degree felony, which is punishable by up to five years in prison.

If she is found guilty on all of those that is alot of time.

[joypath]

If this child find organization is a non profit, I would think that their bylaws would dictate that money would only be used to assist in the finding of a child. I wonder if it is true they hired the attorney. Just doesn't seem possible. We have had several rumors on here proven to be untrue, this is one I would like to know the truth about.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-nejame1008sep10,0,3898987.story Here's the original story, deeper in the article is the statement that NeJame was hired by Never Loose Hope Foundation. According to other posters they have applied for charitable status in 07, haven't received it yet. The link below is the "contact" link they have on their web site, some posters have taken to time to email their feelings (I'm a daily sender!)
'I plan to remind them daily what a disgrace it is to merge their high missioned (help FIND missing PERSONS)organization to the donkey tails of these two low missioned (protect Casey at all costs) multi-celled organisms! The last time I looked, George & Cindy were NOT missing (well, perhaps missing class, social grace, emotion control, common sense, comprehension skills....etc.)!"


http://www.neverlosehopefoundation.org/contact.html

[happy2bme]

I had a theory the other day on his. It's possible that the Anthony's told the family to stay away so they didn't get caught up in all the drama and media circus etc. I have to believe they had some friends and family. It would be strange if they didn't. One person not having friends and family to support them is one thing. A whole family? That seems odd to me.

Very sad..IMO:(

[OneUp]

I had a theory the other day on his. It's possible that the Anthony's told the family to stay away so they didn't get caught up in all the drama and media circus etc. I have to believe they had some friends and family. It would be strange if they didn't. One person not having friends and family to support them is one thing. A whole family? That seems odd to me.I agree that it seems "odd" in that it is not normal to have no support system...I don't find it odd at all for this family JUST based on what we have seen of thier dynamic in public, it seems predictable.
I don't think for a single second that the only time The Anthony family has been bizaare or offensive is during this crisis...look back at the interviews in the Documents released, or if you are willing to believe that Greta Van Sustern is reputable enough to check her sources then consider the source inside the family that related the same stories as
"Rick" on topix did.
JMO.

[day2day]

Only if you chooseto perceive it with evil eyes, then yes, that's exactly what you'll see each and every time.

Are you saying i have evil eyes?! Hmmpf! What i have seen is George push an elderly lady and Lee tear up someones personal property and toss a dog bowl. Both ahem.."men" had NO business touching these women. ..THEY paved this part of the road ...!
jmo

[Joan Weiss]

motion to preserve forensic evidence gathered during the investigation into the disappearance of the three year old.



What exactly does this mean?Nothing, according to legal THs on NG last night.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/10/ng.01.html

[tashi]

that sweet Princess might do some hard time .......imo



Best news I've heard in awhile...an additional felony charge!

[Rebel Rouzer]

This looks interesting. LE is very clever, imo.

Read under "C," #1, mentions child abuse:


http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0775/Sec084.HTM


Yes they are very clever.

[n/t]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee-anthony-missing-091108,0,1513322.story

The 22-year-old is charged with one count grand theft; three counts of fraudulent use of personal identification information; three counts of forgery of a check and two counts of uttering a forged check. Each count is a third-degree felony, which is punishable by up to five years in prison.


Add on the child neglect charges and that would make it 11 years, right?


Love your sig line. :seeya:

[hamebone]

Sorry, i did not write that clearly. I meant that through donations we could help in taking care of her final resting place. That is why is usually lurk and don't post, I don't do a good job of writing what i am thinking. will go back to lurking.

You write all you want...I understood what you said.

You have a good heart...

[kitty1182]

Are you DaddysGirl? You post and bait just like her. Could you please stop doing that it's annoying. I have to go to work soon and I'd rather not see you doing this when I have a short time to read. Thanks in advance! : )

I was wondering the same thing if they were the same poster..

[Rebel Rouzer]

The 3 trolls have shown up. Time for me to go or get banned. I'm tired of all the crap they spew. Always looking for a fight. Whatever. Live for another day. See you all later! :seeya:


See ya later Pooh :seeya:

[Mizzchiff]

Thank you so much, this is basically what i was trying to sa. I really do not think they will claim the body. Because Caylee is still alive, she is just misplaced.

I agree. :)

[Broderick]

I haven't looked for a copy of the injunction and don't feel a need to see it. You can if you want, but I see no reason for the media to lie about it. I'd think they'd love tell us if the HOA was trying to boot the A's,m so why would they lie and say the injuction is to keep the protesters out?

An attorney for the Chickasaw Oaks Phase 3 home owners association said she plans to file an injunction Friday or early next week that would limit the hours and location of the protests.

"We do not care if the content supports or criticizes the Anthonys," attorney Karen Wonsetler said. "What we hope to accomplish is to restrict the time, place and manner of the protest to reasonable activities and hours."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee-anthony-missing-091108,0,1513322.story

The homeowners association of their neighbor is seeking an injunction to keep all the protesters and sightseers out.

http://fav.or.it/post/490440/casey-anthony-update-11-september

An effort is underway to get rid of protesters at the Anthony home in east Orange County.

The homeowners' association has filed an injunction to stop the dozens of people who show up daily in front of the home, protesting that George and Cindy Anthony's daughter Casey, was let out of jail. Many of the protesters are upset holding signs suggesting Casey killed her three year old daughter Caylee Marie.

http://wdbo.com/includes/news/indepth/05392_Effort_underway_to_curb_protesters_at_Anthon y_home_081255.html
JMO

I would like to see it in court. The homeowner association can limit hours for this that and the other thing, but it goes back to the residents that are part of the homeowners association.

Curiosity to me. This is a quote from the article: "We do not care if the content supports or criticizes the Anthonys," attorney Karen Wonsetler said. "What we hope to accomplish is to restrict the time, place and manner of the protest to reasonable activities and hours." What that tells me is that we will have to wait and see the actual injunction and see what the court does with it. LE cannot enforce HOA rules, unless there is a court order. Fines can be levied against HOA members only and those actions can be enforced by law.

Who are they going to fine? Who are they going to get to enforce HOA rules and regulations. The court may be interested in allowing a temporary injunction but imo it could be challenged on a freedom of speech basis.

Do they really want the ACLU coming in?

[trich]

There is no reason for casey not going to the police asap if caylee was kidnaped. Even if I was told to read a script and if you don't harm would come to caylee.. My child is in DANGER no matter how you look at it and I would take my chances on the police. I am sure the police are trained how to handle something like this, and be decrete. We wouldn't even have a thread on this subject right now.:mad:


That is what a normal mom would do.
Nothing Casey does is normal or what a loving parent would do.
If she even thinks that sounds truthful she is sadly mistaken.
I can't imagine anyone who would believe that.

[Mizzchiff]

I haven't found the link I'm looking for ,but post #107 on the Wed afternoon/evening Sept 10th thread refers to the neverlosehopefoundation.org as possibly paying the attorney fees for NeJame.I believe I read it in an article .Still,it's just a rumor.

I just messaged the foundation asking if they have provided funds for the defense of anyone in the Anthony family. Will let you know the response.

[num1barb]

And there are many ways to look for Caylee without actually getting out there beating feet on the street.

The problem is, you don't know exactly what they are doing to find Caylee, and just because they haven't announced it to the public, you automatically assume that they're doing nothing.

Not true at all.

Do you have some kind of inside information??
Why don't you tell the Anthonys that if they want people's opinion of them to change and they want the protestors to go home, they should SHARE with the public WHAT it is that they are doing to find Caylee.

[Armchairdet]

Are you saying i have evil eyes?! Hmmpf! What i have seen is George push an elderly lady and Lee tear up somones personal property and toss a dog bowl. Both ahem.."men" had NO business touching these women. ..THEY paved this part of the road ...!
jmo


It does seem that pushing women around is not something of last resort for these men.

[KKKKKKatie]

What.. by providing shelter and food for their precious grandaughter for three years? They had nothing to do with the disappearance of Caylee, they didn't ask for it, they didn't want it. I honestly can't believe the cold heartedness of people who have no idea what pain these people must be feeling.


There you go again....attacking posters and not the content of their posts. You just can't control yourself can you :rolleyes:

[day2day]

Yes they are very clever.

:beer: <---for LE~

[nc1948]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-nejame1008sep10,0,3898987.story Here's the original story, deeper in the article is the statement that NeJame was hired by Never Loose Hope Foundation. According to other posters they have applied for charitable status in 07, haven't received it yet. The link below is the "contact" link they have on their web site, some posters have taken to time to email their feelings (I'm a daily sender!)
'I plan to remind them daily what a disgrace it is to merge their high missioned (help FIND missing PERSONS)organization to the donkey tails of these two low missioned (protect Casey at all costs) multi-celled organisms! The last time I looked, George & Cindy were NOT missing (well, perhaps missing class, social grace, emotion control, common sense, comprehension skills....etc.)!"


http://www.neverlosehopefoundation.org/contact.html

Thank for info and link. I have never done this before, but i did sent them a post that they are added to my non acceptable charities and that they should spent what donations they receive looking for Caylee. I realize that lots of people on here have great sympathy for the Grandparents. But as a grandparent myself I would want every dime spent looking for my grandchild.

[Joan Weiss]

I wonder if she could be charged as an habitual felony offender. If so, it could be much worse than the last time. Abuse of an elderly person is in there too which could be on down the line concerning her grandfather's money.Yep, I think LE has a plan to keep her locked up for a long time. imo

[Mizzchiff]

I wonder if she could be charged as an habitual felony offender. If so, it could be much worse than the last time. Abuse of an elderly person is in there too which could be on down the line concerning her grandfather's money.

They wouldn't need anyone in her family to testify against her. There would be documents in the bank's possesion that she forged.

[newbiee]

how do you PM someone?

[purplepoints]

Sorry, i did not write that clearly. I meant that through donations we could help in taking care of her final resting place. That is why is usually lurk and don't post, I don't do a good job of writing what i am thinking. will go back to lurking.

I knew you meant, as most of us here probably did. :)

[day2day]

It does seem that pushing women around is not something of last resort for these men.

Thank God LE got the gun from the car. imo!

[happy2bme]

oh please, quit stretching the drama


Please read all post...the poster clearly said she worded it wrong. Good Grief!

[Brattnt]

Thank you so much, this is basically what i was trying to sa. I really do not think they will claim the body. Because Caylee is still alive, she is just misplaced.I been wonderin about that myself NC...:(

Aww, dont let anyone run you off!...You have just as much right to post your opinion as anyone else.....:)

MOO

[gino1234]

Heck even thier attorney(Najame) thinks this tip toeing around Casey is crazy, thats what I gathered from his enterview with NG last night.

[kitty1182]

how do you PM someone?

Click on their name and it's the second one under their name..

[Mizzchiff]

oh please, quit stretching the drama

please quit harassing that poster, it's against IS rules

[Joan Weiss]

The 3 trolls have shown up. Time for me to go or get banned. I'm tired of all the crap they spew. Always looking for a fight. Whatever. Live for another day. See you all later! :seeya:That's a shame. See ya later...:seeya:

[anon-o-miss]

Until you've experienced the exact same scenario as the Anthonys have, you haven't a clue as to what they're going through.

Your "I've been in shock and denial" doesn't even come close.
I find it funny that you tell someone else they don't know what the Anthony's have been through, yet you turn around and tell this poster that their shock and denial doesn't even come close. How do you know what they have been through? The Anthony's haven't cornered the market on grief and denial. :confused:

[Armchairdet]

how do you PM someone?

Put your curser over their name in any post and it will give you a list of options.

[Broderick]

And there are many ways to look for Caylee without actually getting out there beating feet on the street.

The problem is, you don't know exactly what they are doing to find Caylee, and just because they haven't announced it to the public, you automatically assume that they're doing nothing.

Not true at all.

Do you have some kind of inside information??
Why don't you tell the Anthonys that if they want people's opinion of them to change and they want the protestors to go home, they should SHARE with the public WHAT it is that they are doing to find Caylee.



I watched NG last night. She pretty much asked for ONE specific lead as he mentioned he actually had four. He wouldn't answer and I would be interested to find out if LE actually claimed they can't give information on leads to a LIVE Caylee. That Makes absolutely no sense to any thinking person. So they get all these leads and LE wants it hush hush?

Somebody needs to verify with LE that LE wants the public to know nothing about potential sightings of Caylee.

[Heyes]

Sorry, i did not write that clearly. I meant that through donations we could help in taking care of her final resting place. That is why is usually lurk and don't post, I don't do a good job of writing what i am thinking. will go back to lurking.


Please keep posting, I thought your post was lovely and sincere.
Never mind the negative remarks. Your heart is in the exact right place.
Thanks for your contribution.

imo

[happy2bme]

Until you've experienced the exact same scenario as the Anthonys have, you haven't a clue as to what they're going through.

Your "I've been in shock and denial" doesn't even come close.

And you nor I know what this poster has experienced..now do we?

[kitty1182]

I been wonderin about that myself NC...:(

Aww, dont let anyone run you off!...You have just as much right to post your opinion as anyone else.....:)

MOO




Praying Caylee's body is found today..

Hi :seeya:

[bballgrl]

States files official charges against Casey Anthony
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7409128&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

The charges stem from her arrest on Friday August 29. Anthony has been charged with Grand Theft Third Degree, three charges of Fraudulent use of Personal Information, three Forgery of a Check charges, and three charges of Uttering a Forged Check.

So, she is NOT going to be re-arrested? Oh Man.. My fantasy was she would go back to jail and nobody would be willing to bail her out again. You know... 3 strikes and you are out!

[Joan Weiss]

They wouldn't need anyone in her family to testify against her. There would be documents in the bank's possesion that she forged.That's correct. It's all on paper, and some on video cam. The victims would be witnesses, reluctant or not. imo

[Mizzchiff]

Shock and denial over the loss of your baby grandaughter, at the hands of your daughter? I think very few of us have been in their situation. But really, I applaud you for having what it takes to be in shock and denial with such grace and poise.
:rolleyes:

Do you recognize grace and poise? :rolleyes:

[st777jo]

Until you've experienced the exact same scenario as the Anthonys have, you haven't a clue as to what they're going through.

Your "I've been in shock and denial" doesn't even come close.

How long have you known mizzchif?

[OneUp]

If they were reserved they don't seem so reserved now. lol But you are right we haven't heard from people eitgher for or against the family that knew/knows them.
Yes, we have heard statements. Ryan P. ( interview in the "400 pages") has known Casey most of his life, and Greta had her "source" on as well....then there are neighbors who have heard fighting and awful things being said....there have also been numerous calls to the police over the years that are their own kind of testament. ( those are public record if you feel like looking them up)
There are likely two factors at work in keeping people out of the media, first, I'm sure anyone who is a witness has been requested by Police to remain quiet at least on some subjects. Second, Family's who are "weird" or have major issues tend to keep to themselves lest an outsider rock the boat. They have come to an arrangement that works for them and don't want anyone makig waves.
I have yet to hear ANYONE speak up for what nice folks they are ( unless you count Holly who commented on Casey alone and is IMO a dipdong and someone mostly interested in seeing herself on TV. IMO she added nothing but her opinion on her own parenting to the mix.)...at least anyone who has met them more than once and is not being paid.
This is My Opinion on the subject.

[desmom]

Ignore List is your friend.

Clic on User CP (at the top of the page)

On the new page on the left you will find "Your Control Panel". Scroll down to "Settings & Options". Click on "Edit Ignore List".

Don't quote 'em, ignore 'em or scroll on by their post.

[Kathlb]

that sweet Princess might do some hard time .......imo


I'll bet they have been filing these charges in stages not only because they come to them in that way, but also because it shows her to be an habitual felon which can lead to much harsher time and bonds. JMHO

[newbiee]

thanks everyone for the help on PM'ing. got it!

[KKKKKKatie]

Just like you are doing here, right?

Not even close. Why not just address the post? There is no reason for you to accuse posters of being heartless or cruel. Try ADDING to the conversation instead of being so critical of the posters themselves. That is all I am saying.

Back on topic....do you think the Anthony's will be able to bail Casey out once again on the new charges?

[st777jo]

[QUOTE=num1barb;12099254]



I watched NG last night. She pretty much asked for ONE specific lead as he mentioned he actually had four. He wouldn't answer and I would be interested to find out if LE actually claimed they can't give information on leads to a LIVE Caylee. That Makes absolutely no sense to any thinking person. So they get all these leads and LE wants it hush hush?

Somebody needs to verify with LE that LE wants the public to know nothing about potential sightings of Caylee.

If I thought I had seen Caylee, I would be calling 911, not the Anthony's, jmo

[Laurieann]

Florida legal-Grand theft:

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=ch0812/Sec014.HTM


Hi Joan. I know your link is related to Grand theft. But is this part:

The 2008 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 812
THEFT, ROBBERY, AND RELATED CRIMES View Entire Chapter

812.014 Theft.--

[COLOR="Red"](1) A person commits theft if he or she knowingly obtains or uses, or endeavors to obtain or to use, the property of another with intent to, either temporarily or permanently:

(a) Deprive the other person of a right to the property or a benefit from the property.




regular theft and would that apply to what Lee did last night to the dog lady with her sighn and the dog's bowl?

[Brattnt]

Praying Caylee's body is found today..

Hi :seeya:Me too Kitty!....:rose:

:seeya:

[summer4meplz]

I thought this was a good idea....lifted from another...not my original..but speaking of the mobile message board that is not being used for the purpose it was donated.....many people are contacting kidfinders to complain about it.....if the anthony's are only using it as a huge barrier they need to return it ...

anyway, here's the info if anyone is interested..

The contact information from their website (www.kidfindersnetwork.com) is:

Kid Finders Network, Inc
P.O. Box 212306
West Palm Beach, FL
33421-2306

1-877-ONE-LOST (toll-free) or
TEL: (561) 333-2779 (local number)


:rose:for all those lives lost and forever changed on 9.11.01

[MyrDawn]

I would like to see it in court. The homeowner association can limit hours for this that and the other thing, but it goes back to the residents that are part of the homeowners association.

Curiosity to me. This is a quote from the article: "We do not care if the content supports or criticizes the Anthonys," attorney Karen Wonsetler said. "What we hope to accomplish is to restrict the time, place and manner of the protest to reasonable activities and hours." What that tells me is that we will have to wait and see the actual injunction and see what the court does with it. LE cannot enforce HOA rules, unless there is a court order. Fines can be levied against HOA members only and those actions can be enforced by law.

Who are they going to fine? Who are they going to get to enforce HOA rules and regulations. The court may be interested in allowing a temporary injunction but imo it could be challenged on a freedom of speech basis.

Do they really want the ACLU coming in?

I understand the purpose of the injunction, if it's court ordered, would be so that the LE could stop or limit the protesters, depending on the wording of the injunciton. A person that fails to adhere to an injunction faces civil or criminal penalties. That would hold true if any protesters ignore an injunction, too.

As for the ACLU, it's a bit sticky. The A's neighbors feel their rights are being violated by the protesters. Who's rights are more important...the protesters or the people that live by the A's?

JMO

[desmom]

how do you PM someone?

If you left click on the poster's name, a drop down box will give you the option "Send a private message to ..."

[OneUp]

So you think this is the easy route, huh? I have to wonder exactly what about their situation you find easy. Have you ever traveled the route their on? I tend to doubt it.Since it is now acceptable to levy personal questions at other posters...Have YOU?

[Kathlb]

I would like to see it in court. The homeowner association can limit hours for this that and the other thing, but it goes back to the residents that are part of the homeowners association.

Curiosity to me. This is a quote from the article: "We do not care if the content supports or criticizes the Anthonys," attorney Karen Wonsetler said. "What we hope to accomplish is to restrict the time, place and manner of the protest to reasonable activities and hours." What that tells me is that we will have to wait and see the actual injunction and see what the court does with it. LE cannot enforce HOA rules, unless there is a court order. Fines can be levied against HOA members only and those actions can be enforced by law.

Who are they going to fine? Who are they going to get to enforce HOA rules and regulations. The court may be interested in allowing a temporary injunction but imo it could be challenged on a freedom of speech basis.

Do they really want the ACLU coming in?


I'm also wondering how they can do that since the protesters are on public property and the Assoc. doesn't have control over public property as far as I know. MOO

[Mizzchiff]

How long have you known mizzchif?

OT :no: We don't know each other and I don't want to know her. Just to clear that up right now.

[Rebel Rouzer]

what's cold hearted is leaving Caylee out there in some woods rotting away...while they make sure Casey is sleeping in a nice place, getting food and everything she needs. I have lost a husband and a child. NEVER EVER did I lie or try to make money off of it. Everyone wanted me to sue the drunk driver who Killed my husband coming home from the Country club he got so wasted at that lead to my husbands death. They also wantedme to sue the club. Did I? No, I said why? That's not going to bring him back. It took everything I had to get out of bed and feed my liitle ones much less trying to wheel and deal and make a buck.

NG said it best lastnight when she said No matter what you believe whether Caylee is alive or dead. There is no TIME. Either she is in more danger with each passing day of never being found or in danger from the people she's with or she is out there decomposing daily and at risk of never being found. I'm sure someone can post her statements verbatim from lastnight. Caylee doesn't have TIME.

[Mizzchiff]

Hi Joan. I know your link is related to Grand theft. But is this part:

The 2008 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 812
THEFT, ROBBERY, AND RELATED CRIMES View Entire Chapter

812.014 Theft.--

[COLOR="Red"](1) A person commits theft if he or she knowingly obtains or uses, or endeavors to obtain or to use, the property of another with intent to, either temporarily or permanently:

(a) Deprive the other person of a right to the property or a benefit from the property.




regular theft and would that apply to what Lee did last night to the dog lady with her sighn and the dog's bowl?

Would the theft Lee did count as 2 counts or 1 count? (the dog bowl and the sign)

[Ellie]

Sorry, i did not write that clearly. I meant that through donations we could help in taking care of her final resting place. That is why is usually lurk and don't post, I don't do a good job of writing what i am thinking. will go back to lurking.

I got what you were saying. Don't lurk! You have things to say, just say 'em. That's what this place is for. :)

[bballgrl]

Ignore List is your friend.

Clic on User CP (at the top of the page)

On the new page on the left you will find "Your Control Panel". Scroll down to "Settings & Options". Click on "Edit Ignore List".

Don't quote 'em, ignore 'em or scroll on by their post.


I totally agree. I on the other hand do not put posters on Ignore.... I just make it a point to Ignore my own need to respond to them... ;) Alot of times, ther venom and misplaced agression is quite comical!:hat:

[nc1948]

Please keep posting, I thought your post was lovely and sincere.
Never mind the negative remarks. Your heart is in the exact right place.
Thanks for your contribution.

imo

Thank you, I will keep on here and post some. I cannot seem to get away from this case. Hadto get up at 3 to use bathroom and then got on here to see what was going on. This case is taking over my life. It is facinating that there is more news, accurate and breaking before it is ever on tv. Thanks for all the info/link/explanations. Alto that web cam is driving me crazy. I am a 60 year old women sitting on my computer looking at someone else house and waiting on a garage door to open, or someone drive up. I am going insane, but it looks like i am in good company.

[OneUp]

I haven't looked for a copy of the injunction, if it's been filed yet, and don't feel a need to see it. You can if you want, but I see no reason for the media to lie about it. I'd think they'd love tell us if the HOA was trying to boot the A's,m so why would they lie and say the injuction is to keep the protesters out?

An attorney for the Chickasaw Oaks Phase 3 home owners association said she plans to file an injunction Friday or early next week that would limit the hours and location of the protests.

"We do not care if the content supports or criticizes the Anthonys," attorney Karen Wonsetler said. "What we hope to accomplish is to restrict the time, place and manner of the protest to reasonable activities and hours."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee-anthony-missing-091108,0,1513322.story

The homeowners association of their neighbor is seeking an injunction to keep all the protesters and sightseers out.

http://fav.or.it/post/490440/casey-anthony-update-11-september

An effort is underway to get rid of protesters at the Anthony home in east Orange County.

The homeowners' association has filed an injunction to stop the dozens of people who show up daily in front of the home, protesting that George and Cindy Anthony's daughter Casey, was let out of jail. Many of the protesters are upset holding signs suggesting Casey killed her three year old daughter Caylee Marie.

http://wdbo.com/includes/news/indepth/05392_Effort_underway_to_curb_protesters_at_Anthon y_home_081255.html
JMOGood for the HOA, that's just what i'd do...limit the houras and location...They seem to realize there is a right and productive way to get rid of pests and a wrong way, thus we don't see (most) neighbors breaking signs, getting out the hose, and yelling their fool heads off.
JMO.

[AlohaRainbow]

She's looking for 'the real kidnapper' on myspace. :punch:
maybe george set up a kidnapper cam so they can watch the kidnappers and the family takes turns watching the cam
:read:

[trich]

Okay posters don't let a few run you off the board.
There are always those who like to stir up trouble and delight in doing what they can to create bad situations .( THIS HAPPENS ON ALL MESSAGE BOARDS)
Those that choose to behave in such a manor only show their true character.
Rise above it and show you are better then that and don't give them the satisfaction of running you off.

[dmh]

[QUOTE=Broderick;12099289]

If I thought I had seen Caylee, I would be calling 911, not the Anthony's, jmo

You have that right!:beer:

[day2day]

I'm saying that it's a choice whether to actually have compassion in your heart and recognize that the Anthonys are victims of the probably the saddest, most compounded situation that is possible on this earth, and as supposed humans, you can either view them with evil intent, search for that evil intent and by golly you will surely find that evil intent each and every time.

And as for your George example, if you can't understand that man has been emotionally pushed to his limit with the goof-troops who have been camping outside his door, harassing that family in any way that they possibly can, then I seriously have pity on you.

Even OCSO has spoken out about it, and they, too cannot seem to understand what those supposed protesters think they're doing for this situation, they're tired of it!

I really don't need your pity. There is a simple solution for George and Lee..stay inside. LE tried to handle the situation yesterday-told LE that this lady was NOT on HIS property and that wasn't good enough for him. He decided to take the law into his own hands. And Cindy is no better. She didn't have to turn the sprinkler on the lady or her dog.
There is a simple solution for all of this. Casey could just tell the truth.

imo...

[shelbar53]

Shock and denial over the loss of your baby grandaughter, at the hands of your daughter? I think very few of us have been in their situation. But really, I applaud you for having what it takes to be in shock and denial with such grace and poise.
:rolleyes:

I dont applaud, actually I am sorry you had to be in a position to experience shock and denial and Im glad you were honest in such terrible situations. I guess when one is expereincing trauma they revert back to what they know best...as in your case honesty.

[WinnieLeigh7]

In Roy House's statement...

He states that he saw Caylee on the 13th of June with her mom


Doesn't Tony say it was ~June 2nd when he last saw her??

[happy2bme]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17445767/detail.html (http://www.wesh.com/news/17445767/detail.html)




ORLANDO, Fla. -- The state attorney's office filed 10 new charges against Casey Anthony on Thursday.

The charges range from grand theft and fraud to forging checks. The alleged victim in all of the new charges was Anthony's friend, Amy Huizenga.

Anthony could be arrested for a third time within the next few days on additional charges of fraud involving checks, officials at the Orange County Sheriff's Office said.

[kitty1182]

Thank you, I will keep on here and post some. I cannot seem to get away from this case. Hadto get up at 3 to use bathroom and then got on here to see what was going on. This case is taking over my life. It is facinating that there is more news, accurate and breaking before it is ever on tv. Thanks for all the info/link/explanations. Alto that web cam is driving me crazy. I am a 60 year old women sitting on my computer looking at someone else house and waiting on a garage door to open, or someone drive up. I am going insane, but it looks like i am in good company.

Glad you decided to stay and post!!:)

[IfIMay]

After reading their mission statement I don't see how they talked this org into the money to hire a lawyer for PR/ Spokesperson (as well as legalities???) or whatever This is one I will be careful to NOT support in the future.

I wonder what Citylinks 4Charities thinks about this...

The Never Lose Hope Foundation, Inc. was organized as a Florida nonprofit on April 30, 2007, exclusively for charitable purposes. Never Lose Hope Foundation, Inc.’s 501(c)(3) status is currently pending with the Internal Revenue Service, but the organization has secured fiscal sponsorship from Citylinks 4Charities, Inc., a nonprofit organization based in Orlando, Florida. Through this program, City Links will provide oversight and allocation of all funding for our activities until we have received our 501 determination.

http://www.neverlosehopefoundation.org/fiscalsponsorship.html

[num1barb]

I watched NG last night. She pretty much asked for ONE specific lead as he mentioned he actually had four. He wouldn't answer and I would be interested to find out if LE actually claimed they can't give information on leads to a LIVE Caylee. That Makes absolutely no sense to any thinking person. So they get all these leads and LE wants it hush hush?

Somebody needs to verify with LE that LE wants the public to know nothing about potential sightings of Caylee.

I find it hard to believe that LE would not want the public to know about live sightings. They want Caylee found, apparently more than Caylee's own family wants her found, which is evident by the number of searches the anthony family has done.

I also find it hard to believe that the grandparents believe Caylee is alive in PR, Texas or Mexico and they haven't high-tailed it to ANY of those places to look for her.

I wanted the original poster to answer my questions, but she never has answered any I've asked. Go figure.
I appreciate your response though :)