Wednesday Night Discussion - Sept. 10th

[aubrey04]

All convictions are public record. No conviction, no record. You don't need to be "special" to get them. :rolleyes:

Especially in FLORIDA... They truly have one of the best database websites for criminal inmate information. Former inmates, current inmates, inmates awaiting trial, released inmates, people on probation and inmates on the lam. They have the BEST database out of any state I have ever accessed.. (and I have accessed a lot during trials and crimes throughout the country -- in MANY different states).

But the freedom information act allows criminal records to be public record... no matter WHAT state the crime occured in.

SOOOOO...

~DaddysGirl~ -- tell us who has a criminal record and what that record is.. so we can see for ourselves. :read: ..or is it just a RUMOR -- I know how much you HATE rumors, since you harp about supposed rumors that other posters post on here -- even when they come from credible news sites.

If these friends and associates have a criminal record -- all you really need to do is give us a name and we can look up the record ourselves... so do tell.. Which ones have a criminal record?

Thank you in advance.

[Gowanda1]

lately, I dont know what to think.
something new is always coming out to the public & some of my thoughts get totally changed...

:shrug:

I just dont get this family.


imo/jmo

Mine too, completely changing! I'm with you on that! But Diane's post gave me new food for thought. I can kind of see Casey wanting to wanting to spite Cindy by taking Caylee away, AND wanting to spite Cindy by taking Caylee away, so she thinks maybe if she knocks Caylee out enough, she can leave her safely in the trunk, she can party freely, and nobody is the wiser. She gets everything she wants. Well, sadly, in a way, like the one article from the profiler said, she IS happy because she will have everything she wants, just as soon as these pesky annoying people stop asking about where's Caylee, where's Caylee.

I can't figure where or why or how she'd ever come up with chloroform though, unless it truly is something that's being used on the party scene. I don't know -- I'm totally confused and constantly sad over this. :rose:For Caylee

[Joan Weiss]

Im sure they caught up with him.

he is also active on this site http://www.myspace.com/lakevaj1

nickname: if it aint sideways.... (check all friends under "I" to see his pic)

also note Casey's pic on the lakevaji homepage.

best regards,
PruHe's 40 years old.

[luvinlife]

I did wonder early on if she did infact know an employee of Sawgrass, if he might let her leave a sleeping Caylee in an empty apartment thinking She and caylee would sleep there. That she may have convinced him they both needed a place to crash as she couldn't go home, and left Caylee there asleep on a pallatt ( possibly zonked on some drug cocktail) while she went to TonE's or out.
I still think there are alot of coincidences in relation to that APT. building, she definitely lifted info. from there or something.
JMO.

Do we know if the empty apt at Sawgrass was a furnished apt or not?

[OneUp]

I need to get to my bed now, in the words of Robert Frost...
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. "
Though these deep woods are not so very lovely.
Goodnight posters, get some rest as I feel a storm coming in.
My minds eye tells me so.
JMO. Night!:seeya:

[panokatana]

Exactly. Particularly now since he's not come forward, refuses to answer to them, and hasn't disclosed where he moved to.

I believe there's a Private Investigator attempting to track him down.

Is he the kind of big, sandy haired, shirtless guy in the 4th of july photos?

JMO

[jammies]

Not sure, but I know it is jointly owned by Chatt and his father.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


I did not know that. Do you have a link? TIA

[Joan Weiss]

I need to get to my bed now, in the words of Robert Frost...
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. "
Though these deep woods are not so very lovely.
Goodnight posters, get some rest as I feel a storm coming in.
My minds eye tells me so.
JMO. Night!:seeya:Sleep well. :seeya:

[luvinlife]

Mine too, completely changing! I'm with you on that! But Diane's post gave me new food for thought. I can kind of see Casey wanting to wanting to spite Cindy by taking Caylee away, AND wanting to spite Cindy by taking Caylee away, so she thinks maybe if she knocks Caylee out enough, she can leave her safely in the trunk, she can party freely, and nobody is the wiser. She gets everything she wants. Well, sadly, in a way, like the one article from the profiler said, she IS happy because she will have everything she wants, just as soon as these pesky annoying people stop asking about where's Caylee, where's Caylee.

I can't figure where or why or how she'd ever come up with chloroform though, unless it truly is something that's being used on the party scene. I don't know -- I'm totally confused and constantly sad over this. :rose:For Caylee



I think it is quite possible the chloroform was used in party life, I don't think she put her to sleep with it, I think that would be too complicated imo. I also think it's possible that she was looking up chloroform to make it look more like a kidnapping senario.

[Joan Weiss]

Is he the kind of big, sandy haired, shirtless guy in the 4th of july photos?

JMOYep. Body builder, 40 years old.

[Gowanda1]

Yes it has a lid. I have to wonder about her being left in the backyard for any time due to the fact the Anthonys have dogs. Maybe she tried digging in the back but found it too hard. I have done a lot of digging in my life and where I have always dug, I have had to soak the ground really good first.

Right, I agree with you about the digging. That's been my experience too. I've never thought that her burying the baby in the yard would be an option. I tried burying my son's hamster several years ago, only to find it resurrected few days later by my dogs. UGH! My fault -- I was only able to dig maybe 8 inches down, if that. So I can't see Casey digging around in the yard, but a sandbox with a lid is a slight possibility, and explains the hits that didn't seem feasible if they hit on the grassy areas.

[aubrey04]

Surprise, Surprise... No reply. How did I know that would happen? So predictable.

Anyway -- the Anthony house looks calm.. maybe they are gearing up to arrest Casey again -- they just aren't going to do it this late at night. I will sign in and check on the updates tomorrow.

GN folks........

:seeya:

[luvinlife]

He's 40 years old.



Has there been any news reguarding the 12-20 supeonas (sp?) talked about last week, and who they were for??

[impartial]

He's 40 years old.


Lak Vaj is 40 ... Sideways is Casey's friend, not Vaj. Sideways hasn't posted there since May.

IMO

[Pruddennce]

Exactly. Particularly now since he's not come forward, refuses to answer to them, and hasn't disclosed where he moved to.

I believe there's a Private Investigator attempting to track him down.

????

this is all so.....enlightening.....where is this information originating from?

he's hiding????

OMG I better stop asking questions.....dont you just hate it when someone alludes to something as fact, but cant point you to the origin?

best regards,
Pru

[panokatana]

There have been SO many pictures involved with this, I'd have to check the picture again to know, but best to my immediate memory, I think that is him.

ETA: You said shirtless? I know he's a big guy, but I'm not sure about shirtless in that particular picture.

I'll have to check.

Thanks for the reply. Google led me to a link...which had that photo...a photo of a myspace profile (who looks similar to July 4 guy)...who has Amy on his friends list.
Casey seems to be "six degrees" from a lot of folks!

JMO

[impartial]

Is he the kind of big, sandy haired, shirtless guy in the 4th of july photos?

JMO


No, that is LakeVaji ... Dante is If it can't go sideways ... his last post on LakeVaji is in May.

IMO

[Joan Weiss]

Has there been any news reguarding the 12-20 supeonas (sp?) talked about last week, and who they were for??I don't know.

[hamebone]

????
SNIPPED_
this is all so.....enlightening.....where is this information originating from?


best regards,
Pru

You must not be in the right association...silly:D

[damienstoy]

so THAT'S what happened to petey...:(
(is the poster that got banned yesterday one of our "fab 5"?)


i've been in and out all day...but i did get to catch the rerun of nancy...i don't think she likes anthonys attorney too much...have no clue why he was on....he didn't have anything to say except that le won't let them say where Caylee sightings are....

and could it be that casey is turning herself in tonight?
and did our dog lady friend file charges against lee? i would have if i had been her....what an arrogant jerk to take her property like that!!

I'm way behind, as usual, but Chkrdpst is gone as well. Don't know what happened... wish I did.

She is one of the Fab5.

[impartial]

Yep. Body builder, 40 years old.



That's not Dante ...

Dante's nic is If it can't go sideways.

The shirtless guy in the picture ... that's a picture of LakeVaji ... it's his myspace account. Dante is a friend on his myspace.

IMO

[panokatana]

No, that is LakeVaji ... Dante is If it can't go sideways ... his last post on LakeVaji is in May.

IMO

Oh, ok. Dante sort of favors "If it isn't sideways", I thought they might be the same person. It appears "Sideways" logged into MySpace tonight.

JMO

[Gowanda1]

I think it is quite possible the chloroform was used in party life, I don't think she put her to sleep with it, I think that would be too complicated imo. I also think it's possible that she was looking up chloroform to make it look more like a kidnapping senario.

My 18-year-old son just came home from work. He's seen me watching this case on TV and sometimes we chat about it. I just asked him if he knows whether chloroform is something used on the party/drug scene, and he said he'd never even heard of it (thank god!). But since he's too young for clubs, and he's still more into Xbox and skateboarding, maybe he doesn't know much about that stuff? I can hope he's still innocent, right? Anyway, when I said they used to use chloroform to kidnap someone in the movies in the old days, by holding a cloth to someone's nose and then they'd just go unconscious, then he knew what I was talking about. And then he left the room. Oh well, so much for chatting with him! :tongue:

[Pruddennce]

Thanks for the reply. Google led me to a link...which had that photo...a photo of a myspace profile (who looks similar to July 4 guy)...who has Amy on his friends list.
Casey seems to be "six degrees" from a lot of folks!

JMO

mostly all of the folks, IMO.....parasitic.

I wouldnt be surprised if she gets arrested on additonal charges of fraud.....

...if she lifted a few cards, one time purchases, nothing noticeable, she was most assuredly quite adept at it and it was working for her....not getting caught. one use, and toss.

if someone suspects a theft, now that the word is out, they are probably all checking their 'lost cards'....I just wouldnt be surprised....

unless, they figure they will pass, she is in enough trouble....missing child takes precedent over a few bucks...

ya never know, though.....

best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

No, that is LakeVaji ... Dante is If it can't go sideways ... his last post on LakeVaji is in May.

IMO:shrug::confused:

'nite.

[Shellberry]

I think it is quite possible the chloroform was used in party life, I don't think she put her to sleep with it, I think that would be too complicated imo. I also think it's possible that she was looking up chloroform to make it look more like a kidnapping senario.

I do to, especially if it were only going to knock caylee out for say 20 minutes at a time, she'd have to keep going and checking on her.
that would be too much trouble for her


imo/jmo

[panokatana]

mostly all of the folks, IMO.....parasitic.

I wouldnt be surprised if she gets arrested on additonal charges of fraud.....

...if she lifted a few cards, one time purchases, nothing noticeable, she was most assuredly quite adept at it and it was working for her....not getting caught. one use, and toss.

if someone suspects a theft, now that the word is out, they are probably all checking their 'lost cards'....I just wouldnt be surprised....

unless, they figure they will pass, she is in enough trouble....missing child takes precedent over a few bucks...

ya never know, though.....

best regards,
Pru

Have the big companies pressed fraud charges yet? Target? BoA? AT&T?

JMO

[impartial]

A CH drug AD?? I did not know that. What exactly was that about??

I have trouble spelling it too that is why I just put CH.

One thing that was either on Amy`s facebook or myspace that always had me wondering is after she mentions being ripped off by Casey she says.....maybe I will get my money back. I doubt she thinks she would get it back from Casey so perhaps she is thinking of selling her story to a tabloid or something. I bet Casey was real jealouse of Amy, here she was taking a PR vacation with money to spare.......or at least she thought she would have money to spare.


It was posted here that Casey bought the airline ticket for Amy to go to PR.

:shrug:

IMO

[why-me]

Well now, that psychic that was featured, the one with the radio show, said Caylee came to her and told her it was the auto store guy who knows where her body is. :eek: imo

I saw that too, really creeped me out. Apparently she knew nothing about this casebeforehand.

[Pruddennce]

You must not be in the right association...silly:D

oh well, im not into a members only thing, lol....:cool:

this is the usual on the boards...no news on the POI a/k/a as a defendant in other crimes, and when that happens, 'other people' start to look good as accomplices.....



best regards,
Pru

[luvinlife]

My 18-year-old son just came home from work. He's seen me watching this case on TV and sometimes we chat about it. I just asked him if he knows whether chloroform is something used on the party/drug scene, and he said he'd never even heard of it (thank god!). But since he's too young for clubs, and he's still more into Xbox and skateboarding, maybe he doesn't know much about that stuff? I can hope he's still innocent, right? Anyway, when I said they used to use chloroform to kidnap someone in the movies in the old days, by holding a cloth to someone's nose and then they'd just go unconscious, then he knew what I was talking about. And then he left the room. Oh well, so much for chatting with him! :tongue:


lol, my kids do the same.

I haven't asked mine, when I think about it they are gone or sleeping.


Right the movies is why I think it is possible that she would think of the kidnapped senario and have chloroform, although if it is truly used in the making of meth, I don't find it hard to believe she could acquire it that way. you don't have to do drugs anymore to know where or who to contact about just about any type of drug. This info comes from my kids, it is truly scary out there.

[hamebone]

Wonder where the Anthony's got the sand for the sandbox. I mean I wonder where it came from originally.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom


When I got the sand for my grandsons box. I bought in bags at walmart...I think it was 7 lb bags.

[why-me]

On Greta George said she tried to stop him when he wanted to get some tool out of the trunk but he finally was able to.

Thank you. At least I am not all the way crazy. :D

[luvinlife]

I do to, especially if it were only going to knock caylee out for say 20 minutes at a time, she'd have to keep going and checking on her.
that would be too much trouble for her


imo/jmo



Yeah, I am not a chloroform expert, but I agree I think it is just a short acting drug depending on the dose, and she would have to know just the right amount for her weight, hours she wanted her to sleep, blah blah blah. I think she would have used something much simpler.

Besides my first son would sleep through anything, loud music, people talking, vacuuming, maybe Caylee was the same. My little one now, never sleeps and wakes up if you breath too loud.

[Pruddennce]

Have the big companies pressed fraud charges yet? Target? BoA? AT&T?

JMO

all the checks were written on Bank of America....(Amy's account)

you can check out the fraud affidavit here:

http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

best regards,
Pru

[hamebone]

I believe she's wondering where the company that bagged the sand got it from originally.

It sounds like she's thinking the sand was already contaminated with the decomposition scent the two different cadaver dogs hit on.


That would be some funky sand.

How would the sand make the car smell to high heaven...

[why-me]

I need to get to my bed now, in the words of Robert Frost...
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. "
Though these deep woods are not so very lovely.
Goodnight posters, get some rest as I feel a storm coming in.
My minds eye tells me so.
JMO. Night!:seeya:

Good Night OneUp

[luvinlife]

I'm not to sure who posted it. But I believe it was on one of her boyfriends my space page. It was a picture of a lady sitting down at a table with a drink and a guy behindher with a rag and said something about chloraforming her. There is a link some where. It was posted maybe three four days ago.



I did some hunting around and there is a cologne called Chloro and the ad online is a guy knocking out his girlfriend with a cloth of the cologne apparently, I know the pic said chloroform, but I am wondering if it was an ad for the cologne. It is quite disturbing.

[Shellberry]

I believe she's wondering where the company that bagged the sand got it from originally.

It sounds like she's thinking the sand was already contaminated with the decomposition scent the two different cadaver dogs hit on.

oh, I thought she meant did they buy play sand at the store--or get it from the beach.

imo/jmo

[Pruddennce]

I wonder if that's going to be Casey's defense for Amy's checks, that Amy had agreed to Casey using her checkbook as re-payment of her ticket to PR.

what...now Casey bought Amy's ticket...with what, the money she stole off of Amy?

she wont be providing a defense now that the video cameras got her.

best regards,
Pru

[Shellberry]

Casey used said checks at Target & AT&T.

Target & AT&T will most likely press charges if they haven't already.

IMO.

question-why would target or att press charges?
unless the acct was overdrawn when she cashed them, and the checks bounced, the stores have no reason to.

:shrug:

imo/jmo

[luvinlife]

I wonder if that's going to be Casey's defense for Amy's checks, that Amy had agreed to Casey using her checkbook as re-payment of her ticket to PR.



That will only work until Amy and the other ticket holders say they all paid her back in cash. lol

I wonder though why she did that, if for the cash, what did she need to get the cash for she had the credit cards. Unless they didn't have credit cards which I don't believe, or she thought, or knew Mommy was cutting her off soon. :confused:

[hamebone]

I did some hunting around and there is a cologne called Chloro and the ad online is a guy knocking out his girlfriend with a cloth of the cologne apparently, I know the pic said chloroform, but I am wondering if it was an ad for the cologne. It is quite disturbing.

But if Casey saw this pic on MS, it could of put the idea into her head...thus, she started looking into chloroform online.

[why-me]

Surprise, Surprise... No reply. How did I know that would happen? So predictable.

Anyway -- the Anthony house looks calm.. maybe they are gearing up to arrest Casey again -- they just aren't going to do it this late at night. I will sign in and check on the updates tomorrow.

GN folks........

:seeya:

Good Night Aubrey

[luvinlife]

Casey used said checks at Target & AT&T.

Target & AT&T will most likely press charges if they haven't already.

IMO.


Those might be the charges they thought she would be arrested on tonight.

[Pruddennce]

Casey used said checks at Target & AT&T.

Target & AT&T will most likely press charges if they haven't already.

IMO.

right. Im not sure how that all shakes out, though.

but for sure, Bank of America suffered all of the losses.


best regards,
Pru

[luvinlife]

But if Casey saw this pic on MS, it could of put the idea into her head...thus, she started looking into chloroform online.



True she seems take ideas from everywhere, at least that is how it appears.

[why-me]

I'm way behind, as usual, but Chkrdpst is gone as well. Don't know what happened... wish I did.

She is one of the Fab5.

She got kicked off too?? What in the world or should I say who in the world would make that happen? I am about ready to kick myself off. Pathetic.

[luvinlife]

Yes I was thinking the same thing as for choice. Yet being the thief she is, maybe she took it from one of her many "friends" and it became a drug of opportunity.

I did email the fly questioned to LP......I know, I know he isnt some authority on that kind of stuff. It is just he appears to be they type that reads all his messages and maybe he will ask NG or someone. Now watch tomorrow he will have BREAKING NEWS about flies....LOL



I hope he does my email didn't work so far. I really want to know about that. All the sites re chloroform are so scientific and I dont understand half of it. I need the chloroform for dummies site.:)

[Unperson1984]

I need to get to my bed now, in the words of Robert Frost...
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. "
Though these deep woods are not so very lovely.
Goodnight posters, get some rest as I feel a storm coming in.
My minds eye tells me so.
JMO. Night!:seeya:

I prefer the words of Dr Suess...

My bed is warm
My pillows deep
Now it's time for me to sleep!

;)

[luvinlife]

lol, notice I didn't say it would work, only that she may attempt it.


Oh I have no doubt she would try it, but if her lawyer is smart he shouldn't go there. imo

[luvinlife]

Sorry guys I checked the jail and she's not booked in



I hate it when the media teases like that. :mad:

[BobbysGirl]

????

this is all so.....enlightening.....where is this information originating from?

he's hiding????

OMG I better stop asking questions.....dont you just hate it when someone alludes to something as fact, but cant point you to the origin?

best regards,
Pru

Thanks. I quit posting for most part. No time let alone read. Have some time this eve.

I do enjoy your sensible posts. And replies. Simple and direct. With no nonsense, I like that.

BG

:rose: for Caylee

[Shellberry]

Casey comitted check fraud by passing stolen checks to Target & AT&T.

Casey committed crimes against Target & AT&T.

IMO.

no, she stole amys checkbook-she didnt steal from target or att- they have no reason to press charges on her.

bank of america can-they will have to put the money back in amys acct.

imo/jmo

[luvinlife]

Does anyone even know for sure that Casey was in the car that left the residence?

Maybe someone went out to get milk for breakfast, and so many here are sitting with acid reflux while waiting. LOL



I don't think anyone knows. It's just the media kept saying to be arrested any minute, lol. I just want to know if it is for the checks or something else.

[why-me]

I'm not to sure who posted it. But I believe it was on one of her boyfriends my space page. It was a picture of a lady sitting down at a table with a drink and a guy behindher with a rag and said something about chloraforming her. There is a link some where. It was posted maybe three four days ago.

I have asked my 28 yr old son and his 24 yr old fiance about the chloroform and also someone mentioning the "all white party" that Casey mentioned and they looked at me like I had lost my mind. They both graduated from college and have jobs and like most their age, they go out. But then sometimes things like that don't get here as soon as they get to larger cities. They are going to do some checking around with others they know.

[hamebone]

That the two cadaver dogs hit on it is the point. Was it contaminated prior to purchase? Just a thought or as some would say, info for the defense.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

If the defense goes that route...she is doomed...because that is really reaching...IMO

and you still they have the trunk to deal with...

[mayanmoons]

What do ya'll think of C & G's new criminal defense atty? I don't care what he says, you can't spin away comments like George saying that "the person in the back of my granddaughter's car isn't my granddaughter" and Cindy saying "maybe someone put a dead body in the trunk at the tow yard." And of course there's Cindy telling 911 "that it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car"

Nancy's letting Cindy off easy excusing away the fact that Cindy washed those pants and that suprises me. My sympathy for the Anthony's ends when they tamper with evidence & backpeddle on their comments.

[luvinlife]

I have asked my 28 yr old son and his 24 yr old fiance about the chloroform and also someone mentioning the "all white party" that Casey mentioned and they looked at me like I had lost my mind. They both graduated from college and have jobs and like most their age, they go out. But then sometimes things like that don't get here as soon as they get to larger cities. They are going to do some checking around with others they know.



lol

My kids look at me like that all the time, they can't believe I know some of this stuff. IS is my secret life and source of information.

[purplepoints]

no, she stole amys checkbook-she didnt steal from target or att- they have no reason to press charges on her.

bank of america can-they will have to put the money back in amys acct.

imo/jmo

IIRC - the check to AT&T (for $500+) did not clear, AT&T did not get any money therefore they can press charges

[why-me]

Nah. They will probably just pass the costs on to you and me.

Isabelle,
Ray'sMom

Well around where I live, Target goes after ppl all the time for bad checks and non payment of credit cards. It is in our newspaper from time to time in the records section. I can't imagine this area is singled out by Target.

[Oregongal]

Thanks. I quit posting for most part. No time let alone read. Have some time this eve.

I do enjoy your sensible posts. And replies. Simple and direct. With no nonsense, I like that.

BG

:rose: for Caylee

Hi BobbysGirl, good to see you again.
:seeya:

[BobbysGirl]

Casey comitted check fraud by passing stolen checks to Target & AT&T.

Casey committed crimes against Target & AT&T.

Do you seriously believe they have no reason to prosecute someone who passed stolen checks to them?

IMO.

They have every reason. And will do so! If they choose to. IMO and from personal knowledge working in... it does not matter if its for $5 or 500$. Up to the business.

[Oregongal]

no, she stole amys checkbook-she didnt steal from target or att- they have no reason to press charges on her.

bank of america can-they will have to put the money back in amys acct.

imo/jmo

Shell, she STOLE Amy's checkbook, wrote Amy's checks, committed fraud against Target and AT&T by doing so.
IMO they have as much right to bring charges against her for that as BofA does.

[impartial]

Do you seriously believe Target & AT&T have no reason to prosecute someone who passed stolen checks to them?

You are aware it is illegal to pass stolen checks to businesses aren't you? Said businesses are victims of a crime committed by Casey Anthony.

They can prosecute & they will prosecute.

IMO.


You reminded me of a client I had a few years ago. He was doing business with a guy for a year, and received a $30,000 check written on a closed account. The police refused to file charges because my client did not put the guys driver's license number on the check, and the DA's office required an affidavit under oath declaring that the person who wrote the check matched the picture on his valid ID in order to file charges.

The investigator said that the thieves know the legal loopholes, and use them.

My client was out the $30,000 worth of products, and the guy wasn't even charged.

LE is filing these charges solely to put pressure on Casey, IMO.



IMO

[Oregongal]

Do you seriously believe Target & AT&T have no reason to prosecute someone who passed stolen checks to them?

You are aware it is illegal to pass stolen checks to businesses aren't you? Said businesses are victims of a crime committed by Casey Anthony.

They can prosecute & they will prosecute.

IMO.

I hadn't read your post before I posted my above post.
Agree, agree, agree LS.
:beer:

[Shellberry]

Do you seriously believe Target & AT&T have no reason to prosecute someone who passed stolen checks to them?

You are aware it is illegal to pass stolen checks to businesses aren't you? Said businesses are victims of a crime committed by Casey Anthony.

They can prosecute & they will prosecute.

IMO.

show me a case where a store sued or pressed charges against someone for this.-
even using a stolen credit card-show me a store that ever pressed charges on the person who stole the card and used it.

they cant- they can make the person pay back the ammt of stuff they bought - or they ship it off to a collection agency.

makes no sense, if you have any info -I'd love to see it.


- imo/jmo

[tiny paw-prints]

This is the cropped version, but I also have it on my other computer with his profile information, direct from his myspace page.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj3/xglamourfairyx/RicardoMorales1.jpg


Thanks!!

btw, how many puters do you have?

[why-me]

This is the cropped version, but I also have it on my other computer with his profile information, direct from his myspace page.

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj3/xglamourfairyx/RicardoMorales1.jpg

YIKES!! Gues nothing surprises me anymore:shrug:

[luvinlife]

Hey maybe she even applied for CC`s in Amy`s name.......or whoever. That would take longer to figure out.

I wonder if she had any money on her when she was arrested the first time or what all was in her wallet.



Truly it really wouldn't shock me if she had applied to numberous cc in someone elses name. Or bought cc's from other criminals that were already set up to use.

[5boxersmom]

If the check bounced it would go back to the store and then they would be the ones to file charges right? Maybe Amy stopped payment on them after she got home and they went back to the store. :shrug:

Caylee:rose:

[why-me]

Good night peeps! I gotta get back to work tomorrow. LOL The bad thing about working from home, is it's hard to stay off these boards. I took off for three weeks after I found this board. I'm trying to be a good girl : ) Night all!

Good Night Diane

[luvinlife]

I agree with you. Seems like Target would have some duty to check for proper ID.


I asked about this before, you can't write a check here (Calgary, Canada) anywhere, maybe in a small town. I can write checks to my insurance company and things like that, but no store that I am aware of. Only debit/credit cards. I find it so weird.

[mayanmoons]

Doo wrote

"I wonder how they will manage, without your sympathy."

***************************
well arn't you clever NOT :rolleyes:

The Anthony's are getting what they deserve now for creating the monster called Casey.

Caylee looks so much like Cindy i don't know how Cindy can sleep at night turning her back on Caylee to protect the lying, thieving scumbag of a daughter who would steal from her own grandparents asst. living fund & get rid of such a darling lil girl because she's to jealous to let Cindy raise her.

[BobbysGirl]

Hi BobbysGirl, good to see you again.
:seeya:

pm me! :) I like the old board better!

Caylee come home. :rose:
Is Casey going back to jail? Don't get much answers 'round this neck of woods. Too fast!

BG

[luvinlife]

Yes and I find it hard to believe that she began her thieving ways on her 22nd birthday with grandma's check.

I know, I can't get over that, who does that to their grandparents.

I would kick some serious butt if someone did that to mine.

[impartial]

Law enforcement can't press any of these charges until Target & AT&T press charges themselves.

But you knew that didn't you?



What I'm trying to say is that my client wanted to press charges, LE couldn't under the law because the law required an affidavit declaring that the person who wrote the check matched the picture on the person's ID that is documented on the check itself. Without the ID documentation on the check, LE could not proceed.

If Casey stole the money, and put it into her own account, and wrote the check, the store does not have standing the press charges, only the person she stole the money from does.

LE filed charges against Casey to get her back in jail to put pressure on her. They had all of this information while she was in jail the first time, and thought they set the bail high enough that she wouldn't be able to bail out. When she bailed out, they filed the charges.

IMO

[Oregongal]

I have asked my 28 yr old son and his 24 yr old fiance about the chloroform and also someone mentioning the "all white party" that Casey mentioned and they looked at me like I had lost my mind. They both graduated from college and have jobs and like most their age, they go out. But then sometimes things like that don't get here as soon as they get to larger cities. They are going to do some checking around with others they know.

I've also talked to my 28 yr old DD and altho she's out of the party scene now, she's still in the know....more than I care to know about thank you :eek:, but she'd never heard of chloroform except in movies and in her studies to be a nurse, knows it can be deadly. She's never has heard or known of it to be used for 'partying'.
And that was before I clued her in on how it's come up in this case. As soon as I told her why I was asking, because it had come up with this case...she was like, are you kidding me? Oh, that must be how she (Casey) killed her (Caylee).
Out of the mouths of babes. She may be 28, but she's still my baby.

[luvinlife]

Okay playing devils advocate right now,

Can anyone tell me why LE would not want the Anthony's or their new lawyer to give tips to the public?

This is really bugging me.

[purplepoints]

in the report about the fraud charges it states that Amy, bank of america, and target all wished to press charges.

[BobbysGirl]

I hadn't read your post before I posted my above post.
Agree, agree, agree LS.
:beer:

yes and yes. use to work in retail and had them hauled off for 5$ worth of products in purse. handcuffed..choice of the business, yeppers!

Later. Got to go to dr in few hrs. Can't sleep. (OT) I nearly had my hand and forearm ripped off by a big rottwieller :( am a bit drugged.

Nite. Going to rest.

BG

[Oregongal]

I wonder if she tried or actually did take back anything she "bought" for cash.

Good question Tree. Long ago I had a 'friend' that used to do that. She did it to have cash for drugs. Not saying Casey did the same. But, without a job, she may have needed cash more than she needed the merchandise. Alot of businesses have cracked down of that.
I would be interested to know if she did try that very thing. If she did they would have a record which by now I'm sure LE has checked out by now. Could be part of any future charges she may be facing.
Fraudulent check, merchandise trying to be returned for cash. If nothing else, it doesn't look good for Casey. The hole she's dug for herself just seems to be getting deeper.

[why-me]

Okay playing devils advocate right now,

Can anyone tell me why LE would not want the Anthony's or their new lawyer to give tips to the public?

This is really bugging me.

I am guessing the reason there was no Amber Alert, no composite drawing of Zanny etc. because none of these things exist. JMO

[mayanmoons]

I take back what i said about Cindy getting what she deserves. I know people who have offspring like Casey and they drain everything from their parents emotionally, financially.......it's terrible. I still feel bad for Cindy i just wish she'd do whats right for Caylee & her & George & not let Casey drag them down any further.

[why-me]

I've also talked to my 28 yr old DD and altho she's out of the party scene now, she's still in the know....more than I care to know about thank you :eek:, but she'd never heard of chloroform except in movies and in her studies to be a nurse, knows it can be deadly. She's never has heard or known of it to be used for 'partying'.
And that was before I clued her in on how it's come up in this case. As soon as I told her why I was asking, because it had come up with this case...she was like, are you kidding me? Oh, that must be how she (Casey) killed her (Caylee).
Out of the mouths of babes. She may be 28, but she's still my baby.

LOL Same with mine I used to just have a son and now I also will have a daughter. I might even get to be a grandma one of these days :D

[purplepoints]

Correct.

AT&T won't be far behind.

I wouldn't doubt if these new charges are from AT&T.

And speaking of AT&T, if it has already been discussed, please excuse my bringing it up again, but did the $500+ go for payment on a cell bill or to buy the blackberry or what? or is that even known?

[why-me]

So should your own adult kid go Criminal, it's all your fault, right?


DG do you live near Orlando?

[luvinlife]

I am guessing the reason there was no Amber Alert, no composite drawing of Zanny etc. because none of these things exist. JMO


I know, I guess what I am asking is

Has this ever been done before, in any other case we are aware of?

or is there some investigative reason?

If this story is true, not that I believe it.

Does this make sense?

[impartial]

Law enforcement filed the 'economic' charges only after Amy & Bank Of America pressed charges.

Again, you knew that didn't you?



Any crime is a crime against the State. A private citizen does not have to press charges for the State to file charges. It makes it harder for the State if the private citizen will not cooperate and refuses to testify, unless there is other evidence where they don't need their testimony.

LE said they didn't file charges until they had tape on Casey at the store.



IMO

[why-me]

yes and yes. use to work in retail and had them hauled off for 5$ worth of products in purse. handcuffed..choice of the business, yeppers!

Later. Got to go to dr in few hrs. Can't sleep. (OT) I nearly had my hand and forearm ripped off by a big rottwieller :( am a bit drugged.

Nite. Going to rest.

BG

OMG ss rest well

[purplepoints]

I believe that information hasn't been made public.

Yet.

Thanks much :)

[MichelleP]

"Tampering with Evidence" would likely not hold up on Court considering the fact that they'd have to prove intent, and Cindy's very own phone call to 911 proves that she called to "have her daughter arrested", as well as her comment that "the car smelled like a dead body".

She hid nothing, in fact, she handed Casey to LE and then further put the notion in their heads about decomposition.

George also went to LE and volunteered that Casey knew more than she was telling.

LE apparently understands this, which is why they aren't lodging tampering charges.


Didn't Cindy say that smell in the car was pizza later?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2054615/posts

http://electjeff.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/salinas-confronts-cindy-anthony-on-car-odor/

[impartial]

No. They could not.



Where are you coming up with this?

The criminal complaint is The State of Florida vs. Casey Anthony.

The victim is a witness for the State.

The crime is a violation of a penal code statute.

Do you seriously believe that in order for LE to file charges, a private citizen has to press charges? Well, who pressed charges for child neglect against Casey?

IMO

[Carol25]

I just woke up so I figured something must have happened! Has Casey been arrested yet?

[luvinlife]

Yeah I know it really bugs me too. Scott Peterson said something similar.
Wonder if C and G are still talking to LE now that they have an attorney. It also has me wondering why they only have one attorney.


Yes someone mentioned that earlier, I did watch the news info but didn't go to a message board, I didn't know that he said that.

But it was also said that LE denied that right away, so I wonder if we will hear the same in this case. I guess why would they say that , why say anything about tips at all or just say we forward them all to LE or advise them to call LE, we don't know the details. If this lawyer was hired to help fix their media image and it were not true isn;t that defeating his own purpose. :shrug:

[why-me]

Nevermind it obviously doesn't matter.


I am done good night all

[luvinlife]

I just woke up so I figured something must have happened! Has Casey been arrested yet?



Not that we know of. It is still breaking news and going to happen any minute.:D

[rbrnmw]

yes and yes. use to work in retail and had them hauled off for 5$ worth of products in purse. handcuffed..choice of the business, yeppers!

Later. Got to go to dr in few hrs. Can't sleep. (OT) I nearly had my hand and forearm ripped off by a big rottwieller :( am a bit drugged.

Nite. Going to rest.

BG


LP can have a person arrested for passing bad checks I have had many apps for as small as a 3 eyeliner usually not first timers but it is up to the Retailer been to court on many bad check cases involving other peoples checks. You dont have to present ID in most Big Box retailers if you have ever used one before. It left a great many us LPO's scratching are heads and cussing, it's bad policy and this is a perfect example.:no:

[Shellberry]

If the check bounced it would go back to the store and then they would be the ones to file charges right? Maybe Amy stopped payment on them after she got home and they went back to the store. :shrug:

Caylee:rose:
she had 60 days to let boa know that her checkbook was stolen for them to give her her money back.



I wonder if she tried or actually did take back anything she "bought" for cash.
I can see target doing that, because that is listed under the retail theft code.
(I can also see her doing that-imo, she seems too 'classy' to shop at target to actually wear the clothes)


What I'm trying to say is that my client wanted to press charges, LE couldn't under the law because the law required an affidavit declaring that the person who wrote the check matched the picture on the person's ID that is documented on the check itself. Without the ID documentation on the check, LE could not proceed.

If Casey stole the money, and put it into her own account, and wrote the check, the store does not have standing the press charges, only the person she stole the money from does.

LE filed charges against Casey to get her back in jail to put pressure on her. They had all of this information while she was in jail the first time, and thought they set the bail high enough that she wouldn't be able to bail out. When she bailed out, they filed the charges.

IMO

yep...

ok, the reason I am asking all this is because last year we were involved with fraud on our bank statement, called the bank- called the police, the police said we needed to go through the bank.
there was nothing they could do. blah blah.
got the money back in the acct so we were happy, the bank didnt go after the other party for the money back.
they wrote it off as a loss (have a friend who kept us up on the case who worked at our bank at the time.)
so Im curious how a store can do it....


back in my hometown-someone was always cashing a stolen check at the walmart or using a stolen credit card.
every week, there would be something in the paper.
walmart never pressed charges against the person who cashed/used the stolen checks/cards.

every state is different I know.

just curious here



imo/jmo

[Carol25]

Not that we know of. It is still breaking news and going to happen any minute.:D
Well, NG said "any moment!" Do we have to go pick her up ourselves?!

Thanks for the answer, btw!

[luvinlife]

Nevermind it obviously doesn't matter.


I am done good night all



Good night:seeya:

[rbrnmw]

I can't remember a time where I wrote a check and wasn't asked for id. Whats a LPO?

Go to Walmart write a check and see for yourself LPO=Loss Prevention Officer

[mayanmoons]

I was wrong to think Cindy created the monster Casey has turned out to be, you have to see people like Casey in action to their own family to believe it. But yeah it gets alittle emotional for the public, Caylee's lil face gets to people, can't fault us for that.

[cuddlyrunner]

Good morning from over the pond :-)

Nothing was happening last night-anything major happen over night before I read through 32 pages!

[luvinlife]

Well, NG said "any moment!" Do we have to go pick her up ourselves?!

Thanks for the answer, btw!

:lol:


Sure but it would take me forever from up here. I think it would be quicker to wait for LE

[Shellberry]

Go to Walmart write a check and see for yourself LPO=Loss Prevention Officer

hmm can you pay by check at the self check out registers?
(and avoid showing id)


imo//jmo

[luvinlife]

Good morning from over the pond :-)

Nothing was happening last night-anything major happen over night before I read through 32 pages!


Not really NG had on the new lawyer for George and Cindy. And her BREAKING NEWS was Casey would be arrested any minute, it hasn't happened yet that we know of. lol

[nutterbutter]

hmm can you pay by check at the self check out registers?
(and avoid showing id)


imo//jmo
1260 posts so I started a new thread as this one will close soon.Good morning to all.Here is a link to moring thread.Thanks.




http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12097946#post12097946

[cuddlyrunner]

Not really NG had on the new lawyer for George and Cindy. And her BREAKING NEWS was Casey would be arrested any minute, it hasn't happened yet that we know of. lol

Really??? Oh, do we know on what charges?

[luvinlife]

I was wrong to think Cindy created the monster Casey has turned out to be, you have to see people like Casey in action to their own family to believe it. But yeah it gets alittle emotional for the public, Caylee's lil face gets to people, can't fault us for that.



I know what you mean about getting emotional. I do think you are partly right about the Anthony's, it is probable that they enabled Casey, as do a lot of parents, but I do not think that they would have any way of knowing that their daughter would be capable of harming Caylee in any way.

As much as we all try and do the right thing for our children, we do hope for the best outcome. Some things are definatly out of our control.

What is that saying, we do the best we can, until we know better.

something like that its late. :)

[Oregongal]

What do ya'll think of C & G's new criminal defense atty? I don't care what he says, you can't spin away comments like George saying that "the person in the back of my granddaughter's car isn't my granddaughter" and Cindy saying "maybe someone put a dead body in the trunk at the tow yard." And of course there's Cindy telling 911 "that it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car"

Nancy's letting Cindy off easy excusing away the fact that Cindy washed those pants and that suprises me. My sympathy for the Anthony's ends when they tamper with evidence & backpeddle on their comments.

Hi mayanmoons :seeya: Welcome.
I think C&G's attorney is doing what he was hired to do. Listening to him on NG tonight I think he's spinning, evading and talking out of his azz.
I agree, it's hard to explain those comments...I mean come on, does anyone believe someone broke into a tow yard, randomly picked Casey's car to hide a body, then broke in again and took it away?
That's where the evading comes in on Nejame's part.
I don't feel NG was excusing Cindy, I feel she's just gotten tired of the excuses and evading by so many people involved in this case. Including Kobi, who until we found out he'd talked to Baez was one of Nancy's dependable experts who spoke with experience in a nuetral way. After that he suddenly started back peddling and evading. I would think she's disappointed with him right now. I think he must have a contract with CNN otherwise Nancy most likely wouldn't have him on anymore.
Remember, she's under contract too and may have to follow what the network demands, whether she likes it or not. And she also still has a lawsuit hanging over her head for the Duckett case. I'm sure she has that also on her mind and picks her words carefully now.
I watch her face and expressions and that to me tells me more than her words do many times. I would love to sit with her and hear what she REALLY thinks.
When this case finally comes to fruition and has gone to trial and is over, I would hope she will write a book about it. She's written one already and I don't doubt she will write another.
I like her and have watched her for a long time, before she got her own show. She did an excellent job with the SP case, after which she got her own show.
I feel she does her best defend the victims and nail the perps.
I'm glad it's late, I may not have to duck too many tomatoes thrown at me for my support of her.

[luvinlife]

Really??? Oh, do we know on what charges?

Not that we know of yet, assuming more check fraud.

[Oregongal]

Okay playing devils advocate right now,

Can anyone tell me why LE would not want the Anthony's or their new lawyer to give tips to the public?

This is really bugging me.

Off the top of my mind, because LE thinks those tips may be bogus?

[Oregongal]

Nevermind it obviously doesn't matter.


I am done good night all

Good night why-me, sleep well.
:seeya:

[dvsone]

1260 posts so I started a new thread as this one will close soon.Good morning to all.Here is a link to moring thread.Thanks.




http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12097946#post12097946


see ya there! :seeya:

[Shellberry]

ok she stole amys checks--signing her name and cashing them would be forgery.
not check fraud-check fraud and 'forging' a name on a check are two different things

check fraud-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Check_fraud
she didnt print out her own make believe checks, or try to cash checks on an acct that didnt exist.

target and boa are pressing charges because LE went to them about it, they had the opp. to press charges or take the loss.






Check / Cheque fraud
Check fraud is generally accomplished in one of two ways. The first is by writing a check that is manufactured to look like a real document, which in fact has no real value or no real bank account to back it up. Typically this is done by suspects who are experienced in forgery. The second method is check kiting, in which the suspect writes a check for a high dollar purchase, then withdraws the funds from the account before the check clears. Check kiting is usually done when suspects establish a fraudulent bank account under a false name.

Retailers reserve the right to reject a check for any reason. Most low-level store employees have no experience in detecting forgery and check kiting, and thus these stores are very prone to be the target of such fraud. Typically when checks are rejected by store management, the suspect raises the issue with the manager, in hopes that they will pass the check. Commonly those who create fraudulent checks hire minorities to make their purchases. When a check is rejected, a common scare tactic to get the retailer to accept the check is to claim racial bias.





Credit card theft is generally investigated by loss prevention personnel who receive a tip from a local police investigator investigating a stolen card. Typically the use of a stolen card can be easily found using the store’s electronic log, which will specify the register at which the stolen card was used. Sometimes CCTV video of the transaction exists and can be used by the police to establish a suspect or close a case. Today, most retailers are not liable for the use of stolen cards, unless they have chosen to override the chip and PIN and accept a customer’s signature when they could have accepted a PIN. However, retailers today frequently establish their own credit institutions and issue their own in-store only credit cards. In-store credit fraud is likely to become an increasing problem for loss prevention investigators in the next decade.

Some of the inherent problems with in-store credit lie in proper employee training. Temporary cards are regularly given out to customers who forget to bring in their own card. Mail fraud may also be used to intercept cards, and the use of these cards may go unnoticed for days if a clerk fails to check ID or if the true card holder never calls in a complaint. Also, in the opinion of some experts [citation needed], many retailers make adding a new name to an existing account far too easy.


eta-everyone saying check fraud, confused the heck out of me tonight.
anyhoo-found what I was looking for.

also why I never see stores filing charges against people- they are liable with stolen CC's and with a check by the time they realize its stolen or no good- it can be written off.
(ie-the this is where the lp people come in)

[MichelleP]

Why does everyone thinks this family gets so bent out of shape for people telling the truth?

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7378423&version=42&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1 <---for example

I mean people are only telling the truth and yet this family continues to do imo really stupid stuff.

[crymeariver2006]

Off the top of my mind, because LE thinks those tips may be bogus?


Or the attorney and the Anthonys know full well they're bogus.

He probably has the same "tips" the Anthonys have been trying to pass off: Mountains of Georgia, Texas, Mexico, and Puerto Rico.

That's why he won't tell them out loud. Too many people would hit the ER from busting a gut.

I mean, really, if there are legitimate sightings and you don't want people ini those towns to call LE if they've noticed that a neighbor suddenly shows up with a 3 year old?

[Leanne Weich]

I feel bad for any parent that has lost a child. I want to die before my children. I can not even imagine the pain and hope to God I never have to.
To those of you that have lost children.My heart breaks for you.:rose:

My heart goes out to those parents too. My first g/child died 8 years ago today and my heart is still broken. I guess that is why I felt such sympathy and empathy with Cindy and George at first but not so much anymore. When I see the suffering my DD and s-i-l still suffer, 8 years and 2 children later, I just want to get hold of Casey and beat her senseless and I'm not usually a violent person although, TBH, these kinds of cases do bring out the worst in me.

[Marianne]

I guess you didn't hear the latest from Baez-- that they do have offers stashed / filed away for consideration when needed. LOL

The $$$ is for her to tell her story!! NOW throwing George and Cindy under the bus would be a great story for Casey!!

No way. The story is all ready all over town. And it was stated as such on NG.no book is going to sell without special info given to these publishers which is: the whereabouts of the body.

Baez may have stashed these offers away for who knows maybe Casey will cave. But no reason to be offended....she gets the death penalty or life without parole.

The only ones who may benefit may be her parents that is if she turns the money over to them.

The story as is is already what we we all know and no one is going to pay money when you can get it for free on TV every night.

You have to understand that TV is also making listeners into a lynching mob as is what is going on here. Nancy loves to do that.

[Marianne]

Any crime is a crime against the State. A private citizen does not have to press charges for the State to file charges. It makes it harder for the State if the private citizen will not cooperate and refuses to testify, unless there is other evidence where they don't need their testimony.

LE said they didn't file charges until they had tape on Casey at the store.



IMO


Does that hold true for the money Casey stole from her parents?

[MyrDawn]

Does that hold true for the money Casey stole from her parents?

The way I understand it, the LE won't file charges if her parents don't. Same with the money she stole from her Gran. Where would the LE get proof she stole anything, if her parents refuse to press charges or testify if the LE brings charges and takes her to court?

[Marianne]

She does have a sweet little face. I find that compassion takes less of a toll than hate.
:rose:
''This is actually in reply to mayanmoons post about being sorry for accusing cindy of creating the monster Casey.


It is true we all have to stand alone and be accountable for our own choices. I think Cindy has made so many mistakes in raising /casey and still insists on making them that i do hold her responsible.

First of all it is incredibly unwise to want to be 'best friends' with your children. And incredibly stupid to insist a person is your best friend who continually betrays you on the most hurtful and deepest levels.

Cindy has never properly assumed her responsibility as mother giving up her authority to her child. That is what is so dysfunctional.
Cindy and George refuse to stand their ground, they refuse to uphold moral standards and they are willing to do so so that their daughter lives with them....or actually for no reason. For they receive absolutely nothing in return for their ridiculous effort to twist all reality.

Cindy is without doubt a victim of them. She walks all over them, has no respect for them and how can she? It is simply how all children of such treatment react.

However, at this point she is an adult and she does know right from wrong. Its possible she does not realize how she has chosen to react to upbringng but she should no better than to deceive the people, the LE and her best friends, ...her need to betray needs to be put to an end.

And if Cindy wants to act like a best friend and do something for her daughter she will make sure that laws are enforced, that evidence is not tampered with, she will stop trying to fool the public and LE with these far fetched stories about Casey being in another country because she does not want to face the truth. What Cindy is really doing is being an enabler to her daughter. And that is a crime against humanity. She has got to get off the fence

Blue is blue and she has got to stop turning into red and green and anything else she wants to...and nthe media has got to refuse to buy in. I say look fir the body first. If Caylee really is kidnapped there is not a chance in the woirld she is going to get her back (miracles do happen)...but she has nothing to go on.

Cindy has proven herself as untrustworthy as her daughter. She shouldnt tell people not to look for the dead body of her child...she has no way of being sure she is alive.

Nom Casey must just sit back in amazement at what a fine job she has done. She has got her parents screwed and she loves it. And they love her for it. /she's got their approval for it and Cindy has Casey's for a job well done at covering...ok with a few bloopers.

It makes me just hate her...Casey that is. Cindy, well Cindy is a nut job who needs help and I think she ought to set up a fund for additional psychologicalical counceling for herself.

[GardenGirl]

Great post.
Reminds me of a friend who once helped cover for her adult son's interlude with a minor girl.
Eventually he went to prison, she wasn't charged as an accessory, but she is a town pariah.
We assume she will sell and move before her kid gets out of jail so she doesn't have to endure the police letting us neighbors know he's a registered sex offender.
She's not my friend anymore, mind you.

I feel they will find the body soon, there's only so many places an idiot could have put it.
Then Casey will be charged, and her parent's will walk free.
But, how will they sleep at night?
Restlessly, I hope.