Caylee Anthony 09-10-08 A.M thread

[msgatorslayer]

local 6 reports altzheimers patient bus took field trip to Anthony home

:eek: Ick!!!

[Rebel Rouzer]

local 6 reports altzheimers patient bus took field trip to Anthony home

IMO That's ridiculous. What was the reason for that? I'd say take them to a zoo or something. The Anthony home? unreal IMO

[FrankieBones1]

Possible. Frankiebones (I think) posted a link to an episode back when it first came out about the chloroform.

I can't find it again but did find a short excerpt vid on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4RmxjpDxQk

[crymeariver2006]

Local6 reporting that a bus from an assisted living facility, with about 10 Alzheimers patients requested to drive by the Anthony home on their "outing" today. The driver said they were disappointed because they didn't see the protesters.

Gotta love 'em.

[WinnieLeigh7]

For all of the hoopla, pomp & circumstance they've put on, they've yet to declare Caylee deceased without a lot of "it suggests", "it implies", "we believe", or any of the other assorted tangibles that they've connected to their loosely veiled "maybes".

That isn't how LE announces that someone is, in fact, deceased - IFthey really know that to be true, which doesn't appear to be the case here with Caylee.



Of course it is!

LE never states "definites" until they are ready to bring the charges and go to trial.

Just the same as many people are "still considering Missing Person" and within a snap it turns into a Homicide case.

Reading too much into the "maybe's, we believes, etc." that LE states is just a CYA precaution for them, it means nothing on the facts they have.

IMO

[anyonesguess]

I have yet to see proof of the theory all of you propose. There is none.

What theory? That she might not be living? There have been reports from FBI and LE come out on it.

Have their been reports come out in PR's that say that LE planted the evidence of the Chloroform? To accues them is wrong without ANY iota of evidence imo.

Apples and Oranges.

[jbellaj]

I know that Saturday night a team of dogs were taken in a second set of dogs and searchers (us) were to go in affter them but search was postponed until Sunday. . I do not know for fact that the area was searched on Sunday and that is why I have not commented on it. I believe it could jeopardize the search area and the case by giving that information out prematurely without it being announced by TES or LE. Just my humble opinion.

Rebel the only reason why I finally said something was because Tim did call off the search and now they are now more concerned with area around the unversity campus via the pings on her cell phone. JMO

[msgatorslayer]

Original air date: May 15, 2008. I hope Casey didn't charge chloroform ordered online to her grandparents account!

Lastnight, on NG, I liked how the one person said we know what she didn't charge. GAS!!!:lol:

[Chillin]

IMO That's ridiculous. What was the reason for that? I'd say take them to a zoo or something. The Anthony home? unreal IMO

Zoo, circus, Anthony home..whats the difference?

[Unperson1984]

Am I the only one that doesn't believe LE has anything? :eek:

No you're not. I believe that if they had everything that's been leaked or hinted about, Casey would have been charged for Caylee's death.

[day2day]

IMO That's ridiculous. What was the reason for that? I'd say take them to a zoo or something. The Anthony home? unreal IMO

Hmm..the zoo. Oh nevermind ..:D

[day2day]

Lastnight, on NG, I liked how the one person said we know what she didn't charge. GAS!!!:lol:


Yep..that was priceless!! But think about it. Would you spend your hard earned money---err friends stolen money on of all things GAS! :punch:
jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Hmm..the zoo. Oh nevermind ..:D

I was thinking along the same lines.;)

[Rebel Rouzer]

Zoo, circus, Anthony home..whats the difference?
:lol: Good point lol

[Chillin]

You can't possibly be serious.

Wait, in this case, I suppose you can be.

The public has gone totally insane and confused the Anthony residence with Graceland. :rolleyes:

The Anthony home is no Graceland...zoo, circus...thats better.

[SavannahStar]

No you're not. I believe that if they had everything that's been leaked or hinted about, Casey would have been charged for Caylee's death.

That could very well be true.

[warrkat]

Your not sick... I believe this case had brought out crazy and morbid thoughts in some of us. I was at a relatives this past weekend and they were telling me how when they had mowed the grass they noticed a bad smelling coming from a small trash bag in the ditch. First thought that popped in my mind was "Wonder if there is a body in there". Now that is what I call being a "sick puppy".:punch:

You know what made me think she might do that? I probably watch too many crime shows, but I've seen so many where someone will be under suspicion for a relatively minor crime, but they murder the person who could turn them in, or testify against them.

[Chillin]

I haven't accused anyone of anything.
Uhmm you said LE could have planted the chloroform..I'd call that accusing

[ccat]

Wasn't it a kitchen knife that Susan Polk used to kill her husband? I don't think that anyone is thinking that the knife has anything to do with this case... but the presence of a kitchen knife in the backpack of someone in a household with a missing toddler, would beg a question. Again, I am not saying that it has anything to do with the case... but kitchen knives have been known to kill people....

I wondered about that, but historically women are more apt to use poison than knives.

[beemeup]

You can't possibly be serious.

Wait, in this case, I suppose you can be.

The public has gone totally insane and confused the Anthony residence with Graceland. :rolleyes:

No No i think there was a death at Graceland.:rose:

[Rebel Rouzer]

Rebel the only reason why I finally said something was because Tim did call off the search and now they are now more concerned with area around the unversity campus via the pings on her cell phone. JMO


Tim SUSPENDED the search. Do you know if they were going to resume the search of that area after they come back? Tim also stated there were some dog teams and possibly airboat teams that will stay and continue searching. That could be an area that those teams stay to search.

Just my opinion.

[Regina.Lampert]

Well.. it certainly wouldn't be the first time if they did. But actually I think Dr. Kobilinsky had it right when he said that it is used by LE as an investigative tool. That to me seems to be the most plausible explanation. Why? You think all of LE is above planting evidence?

Oh yes, here is your answer. LE put chloroform in the trunk as an investigative tool and also, LE is not above planting evidence.

As opposed to believing that casey anthony, after doing a search on how to use chloroform, used it on Caylee.

It boggles the mind how some will twist and spin the facts in order to attempt to prove casey anthony innocent of this crime.

[day2day]

I was thinking along the same lines.;)

GMTA...!!
I have a feeling we will hear some news today! jmo

[Chillin]

No No i think there was a death at Graceland.:rose:

On that note maybe the Anthony home and Graceland are similiar.

[petlover]

Rebel the only reason why I finally said something was because Tim did call off the search and now they are now more concerned with area around the unversity campus via the pings on her cell phone. JMO


Does anyone now why they waited so long to seach this area if her cell phone showed pings in this area?

[WillowInFlight]

Uhmm you said LE could have planted the chloroform..I'd call that accusing
I think the key would is "could" she didn't say "did"

[Chillin]

Wrong.

In most all other cases, the case is at least escalated to and announced as, Homicide, prior to charges ever being brought.

The victim is definitely declared deceased during this same time, and charges may or may not be brought in the future, depending of course on the perpetrator.

Scott Peterson case is only one example of that.


in MOST all other cases....not all..just most:rolleyes:

[st777jo]

You can't possibly be serious.

Wait, in this case, I suppose you can be.

The public has gone totally insane and confused the Anthony residence with Graceland. :rolleyes:

House of Horrors, yep. Graceland? Never

[Chillin]

I think the key would is "could" she didn't say "did"

Read the post. It was accusing in my opinion.

[crymeariver2006]

You can't possibly be serious.

Wait, in this case, I suppose you can be.

The public has gone totally insane and confused the Anthony residence with Graceland. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't call a group of Alzheimers patients insane. If you had heard the broadcast, the driver clearly stated that they only wanted to see the protesters and were disappointed that there were none there.

[hamebone]

You can't possibly be serious.

Wait, in this case, I suppose you can be.

The public has gone totally insane and confused the Anthony residence with Graceland. :rolleyes:

watch it now....round these parts Graceland is hallowed grounds....

I do agree taking Pts by the house was out there...

[deep*fear]

Uhmm you said LE could have planted the chloroform..I'd call that accusing

You had to have seen it coming. I'm surprised it took this long.

[Chillin]

Scooby didn't say LE put it in the trunk as an investigative tool. It appears his/her mistake was in assuming posters would understand that Koblinsky was talking about contamination from LE using it when collecting evidence.


Oh dont treat some of us like we are uneducated and cant read..the poster said LE wasnt above planting evidence.:rolleyes:

[WinnieLeigh7]

Hi WinnieLeigh,

Thank you for posting this. I have been trying to remember Brandi's name and I knew there was a forum here for her but I couldn't find it. I did google searches and had the wrong state.

:rose:



:)

Did you post in the original thread?

[SavannahStar]

Oh yes, here is your answer. LE put chloroform in the trunk as an investigative tool and also, LE is not above planting evidence.

As opposed to believing that casey anthony, after doing a search on how to use chloroform, used it on Caylee.

It boggles the mind how some will twist and spin the facts in order to attempt to prove casey anthony innocent of this crime.




Reggie, with all due respect.....IMO, in NO way is that poster attempting to "prove Casey Anthony innocent of this crime." He/she is not totally convinced of Casey's guilt, however. That's all it seems like to me. I also don't believe he/she is twisting and spinning facts. He/she is interpreting them differently. That's all. Why should anyone get upset or angry over that?

[Chillin]

You had to have seen it coming. I'm surprised it took this long.

I just hate when someone posts something and when called on it or questioned they spin it. If you post it heck own it..its yours.

[steffaroob4]

GMTA...!!
I have a feeling we will hear some news today! jmo

I hope so, I have been having dreams all week it will be Thursday, lol.
I have a lot to do today, so it will probably be today:D

I find it strange that any of the media thinks we want to see the attorney of the GPs, please, we need demand more from the media, I want more for them.

[SavannahStar]

And it's no different then the posts speculating on the grandparents helping kill/bury/cover up Caylee's murder without proof or even a theory from the police. ;)

Good analogy! :beer:

[beemeup]

And idiotic field trips by bus drivings of Alzheimer patients are adding to that fact.

I dont agree with the field trip either. However we gotta cut the folks some slack. Alot of local coverage and they do have Alzheimer.:beer:

[Chillin]

Key word, DRIVER, and yes that's insane to drive a bunch of Alzheimer patients past a house to gawk at protesters.

I disagree. If it was their outing they can choose where they want to go. If I was in Orlando I'd drive by to...for the chits and giggles.

[Regina.Lampert]

Scooby didn't say LE put it in the trunk as an investigative tool. It appears his/her mistake was in assuming posters would understand that Koblinsky was talking about contamination from LE using it when collecting evidence.


You may go by appearances, I go by what the poster said. As for the chloroform being residue from the dna collection, I doubt that very much. The report is it was found in extremely high
percentages.

Of course the defense will attack this evidence as sloppy police work, however that manuever will pale against the fact that casey anthony researched how to use chloroform. IMO.

[smoofy]

Here is a scene from CSI where Nick was chloroformed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4RmxjpDxQk

[Chillin]

Police have been known to plant evidence in other case so it's certainly a possibility in any case. But what you and others deliberately ignored was the part of Scooby's post that clearly said s/he agreed with Koblinsky about it possibly being contamination. Of course if you acknowledged s/he'd said that then you couldn't ridicule Scooby for it. :punch:
WOW!!! just WOW!!! so now if one responds to a posters post its RIDICULE...does this mean you are ridiculing me?

[day2day]

I hope so, I have been having dreams all week it will be Thursday, lol.
I have a lot to do today, so it will probably be today:D

I find it strange that any of the media thinks we want to see the attorney of the GPs, please, we need demand more from the media, I want more for them.

I hope your dreams are right. I just have this feeling!! I for one don't think there is anything ANYONE can say that is gonna make anyone support the Anthony's. IF anything they have taught the families of missing persons how NOT to act ..(if they dont wanna look guilty) JMO!

[Chillin]

You may go by appearances, I go by what the poster said. As for the chloroform being residue from the dna collection, I doubt that very much. The report is it was found in extremely high
percentages.

Of course the defense will attack this evidence as sloppy police work, however that manuever will pale against the fact that casey anthony researched how to use chloroform. IMO.


I agree. They know if they used chloroform to collect DNA...it was reported it was FOUND in the trunk..not put in the trunk.

[Chillin]

I think it's equally insane to "giggle" at protesters while driving a busload of Alzheimer patients past the residence.

Who giggled while driving a bus load of alzheimers patients past the residence?

[crymeariver2006]

Scooby didn't say LE put it in the trunk as an investigative tool. It appears his/her mistake was in assuming posters would understand that Koblinsky was talking about contamination from LE using it when collecting evidence.

Kobilinsky never said that LE would/could contaminate evidence with chloroform.

[Chillin]

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by ?WudScoobyDo
Well.. it certainly wouldn't be the first time if they did. But actually I think Dr. Kobilinsky had it right when he said that it is used by LE as an investigative tool. That to me seems to be the most plausible explanation. Why? You think all of LE is above planting evidence?[/QOUTE]



Spin away.
Again...poster said.."you think all of LE is against planting evidence?"

spin away

[Regina.Lampert]

Reggie, with all due respect.....IMO, in NO way is that poster attempting to "prove Casey Anthony innocent of this crime." He/she is not totally convinced of Casey's guilt, however. That's all it seems like to me. I also don't believe he/she is twisting and spinning facts. He/she is interpreting them differently. That's all. Why should anyone get upset or angry over that?


Who's angry or upset SS? Guess it's all in the interpretation, as you say.

:)

[SavannahStar]

You may go by appearances, I go by what the poster said. As for the chloroform being residue from the dna collection, I doubt that very much. The report is it was found in extremely high
percentages.

Of course the defense will attack this evidence as sloppy police work, however that manuever will pale against the fact that casey anthony researched how to use chloroform. IMO.


Was there actually a report? I haven't heard anyone other than Nancy Grace mention "extremely high percentages." Unless I missed something. That's one of the things that has really been bugging me about the chloroform info.....one day I heard "suspiciously high" then another day it was "traces." That's why I am waiting for some definitive statements from those in authority about the case. :shrug:

[WinnieLeigh7]

Wrong.

In most all other cases, the case is at least escalated to and announced as, Homicide, prior to charges ever being brought.

The victim is definitely declared deceased during this same time, and charges may or may not be brought in the future, depending of course on the perpetrator.

Scott Peterson case is only one example of that.

Scott, Laci, Connor...

hhmm Brandi (the case I was involved with), was missing, then deceased, then homicide

Has Stacey Peterson been confirmed to be a homicide case?? Or she's missing with homicide speculation, Drew the person of interest?

Heck, Natalee is still a Missing Person with Foul Play Suspected...

[ccat]

Oh yes, here is your answer. LE put chloroform in the trunk as an investigative tool and also, LE is not above planting evidence.

As opposed to believing that casey anthony, after doing a search on how to use chloroform, used it on Caylee.

It boggles the mind how some will twist and spin the facts in order to attempt to prove casey anthony innocent of this crime.


Yes, Dr. Kobalinsky was certainly trying to plant the seed of reasonable doubt. I used to trust him.

[SavannahStar]

Who's angry or upset SS? Guess it's all in the interpretation, as you say.

:)

I know. It IS how we interpret the "tone" of posts.....:seeya:

[warrkat]

I dont agree with the field trip either. However we gotta cut the folks some slack. Alot of local coverage and they do have Alzheimer.:beer:

They probably have seen the protesting, and want to view it live. I'm sure most of them don't realize what is going on.

[WillowInFlight]

I think it's equally insane to "giggle" at protesters while driving a busload of Alzheimer patients past the residence.

Where did she say she would be driving the bus. She said if she lived in Orlando, she would do a drive by. :rolleyes:

[need2no]

There always has to be a "first" time :D

So true...remember people snickered about DNA testing when it was first introduced....many were non believers in this NEW technology proving to be reliable. Now look at all the cases where DNA has proved invaluable. This is the very reason for the existence of the Body Farm...to learn more than we currently know.

[OneUp]

Several have been searching case law and to this date, there have been no cases in which "Air Dna" has been qualified as evidence in a court of law.Can any of you please point me to where "Air DNA" Has been reportedly used in this case? I have admittedly fallen a bit behind in my reading. I have read of air tests that confirm decomp., and DNA tests that confirm Caylee both in the news. I have never read reports of an air test that purports to find and identify DNA from air samples.
TIA.

[morson]

Scooby didn't say LE put it in the trunk as an investigative tool. It appears his/her mistake was in assuming posters would understand that Koblinsky was talking about contamination from LE using it when collecting evidence.

What Dr K did not clarify is that if chloroform was used to extract DNA from the material in the trunk that had the stain, it would have been used on that sample in the lab. That would not account for the chloroform in the air in the trunk.

[kOOkie1]

Sooo ..Q? How does a "Person of Interest" differ from a "Suspect? ...I would think Casey would be considered a suspect. (jmo)

[hamebone]

I hope your dreams are right. I just have this feeling!! I for one don't think there is anything ANYONE can say that is gonna make anyone support the Anthony's. IF anything they have taught the families of missing persons how NOT to act ..(if they dont wanna look guilty) JMO!

One of my girlfriends told me she had a dream, that Caylee was in a white box....but it wasnt a box..just that it was square like a box..and she was covered with a blanket.

And she said one night she heard a voice say...as she was drifting off to sleep....she is unburied in the cemetery...

weird huh?

I havent had any dreams even tho' I think and pray for lil Caylee each night.

[beemeup]

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by ?WudScoobyDo
Well.. it certainly wouldn't be the first time if they did. But actually I think Dr. Kobilinsky had it right when he said that it is used by LE as an investigative tool. That to me seems to be the most plausible explanation. Why? You think all of LE is above planting evidence?[/QOUTE]



Spin away.
Was there not further explanation on NG regarding the Chloraform in the trunk? That concentration levels would be far far different in the Chloroform used for specimen collection??? Anyone else recall this conversation.

[shelbar53]

I just read on another forum about all the emails caseys fabricated. Unbelievable amount of time and energy to spend just she can fool her bafoon parents into babysitting and giving her money. The more I read the more I feel the parents are just plain fools. I would think that after all the lies from casey they would say enough is enough. I cant wait till the trial so all the lies are exposed in front of the world. I would hide my head in shame if casey was my daughter. IMO

[msgatorslayer]

One of my girlfriends told me she had a dream, that Caylee was in a white box....but it wasnt a box..just that it was square like a box..and she was covered with a blanket.

And she said one night she heard a voice say...as she was drifting off to sleep....she is unburied in the cemetery...

weird huh?

I havent had any dreams even tho' I think and pray for lil Caylee each night.

I'm not much of a dreamer at all. But Mr.Gator, he dreams just about ever time he sleeps and he has some weird ones, lol.

Anyway, he took a nap yesterday and woke up saying he had a dream about 'that girl' - he was talking about Caylee.

Said her body was by a fence at a church.:( First time he ever had a dream about a case I was following.

[msgatorslayer]

I just read on another forum about all the emails caseys fabricated. Unbelievable amount of time and energy to spend just she can fool her bafoon parents into babysitting and giving her money. The more I read the more I feel the parents are just plain fools. I would think that after all the lies from casey they would say enough is enough. I cant wait till the trial so all the lies are exposed in front of the world. I would hide my head in shame if casey was my daughter. IMO

Is there a link to these e-mails? I'd like to read them. TIA

[Regina.Lampert]

Was there actually a report? I haven't heard anyone other than Nancy Grace mention "extremely high percentages." Unless I missed something. That's one of the things that has really been bugging me about the chloroform info.....one day I heard "suspiciously high" then another day it was "traces." That's why I am waiting for some definitive statements from those in authority about the case. :shrug:

I am one who thinks the reports we have read and heard have an element of truth to them

Posters who distrust all the incriminating reports that have been revealed will have a difficult time discussing this case with me, unfortunately.

[day2day]

One of my girlfriends told me she had a dream, that Caylee was in a white box....but it wasnt a box..just that it was square like a box..and she was covered with a blanket.

And she said one night she heard a voice say...as she was drifting off to sleep....she is unburied in the cemetery...

weird huh?

I havent had any dreams even tho' I think and pray for lil Caylee each night.

No.. I don't think its weird at all. I can tell you my Granny always said if you dream of a death -you will hear of someone you know being pregnant.
I don't think Caylee was buried (unless in the back yard for a time) so your friend could be ...very close. I hope one day we know the truth!
jmo..
:rose:

[shelbar53]

Is there a link to these e-mails? I'd like to read them. TIA

I couldnt find the link....i looked for about 20 minutes...i was just reading everyones comments about them on ws

[martha]

Is c & g lawyers going to get out and help look for caylee? If c & g would get out and look for caylee I don;t think people would be as hard on them. jmho:rose:

[steffaroob4]

what I think is interesting is the fact the body farm was sent the samples to test from the FBI on August 10th. I think the FBI took a bit longer because of the chloroform they found. I would think if they found it in their samples, they would have retested their samples again to make sure they were getting correct results. I bet they were very careful about all of this, they sure didn't seem to be rushing any of the results.

I do not believe for one minute LE would leak the chloroform if there was any possibilty it was used by GPs as a cleaner. I don't recall any statements of anyone pointing to that car trunk being cleaned out. However, I think there are statements being held back, that they do not need for a neglect case, but are keeping secret for now.

[redcard]

I am one who thinks the reports we have read and heard have an element of truth to them

Posters who distrust all the incriminating reports that have been revealed will have a difficult time discussing this case with me, unfortunately.

I know too many detectives who leak false stuff to the press in hopes that it'd cause a suspect to make a mistake or approach the DA for a deal to believe what I hear in the press.

The police are ALLOWED TO USE DECEPTION.

[hamebone]

I'm not much of a dreamer at all. But Mr.Gator, he dreams just about ever time he sleeps and he has some weird ones, lol.

Anyway, he took a nap yesterday and woke up saying he had a dream about 'that girl' - he was talking about Caylee.

Said her body was by a fence at a church.:( First time he ever had a dream about a case I was following.

wow..does his dreams come true?

wonder if there is a church/cemetery...near the Anthonys home?

[SavannahStar]

I am one who thinks the reports we have read and heard have an element of truth to them

Posters who distrust all the incriminating reports that have been revealed will have a difficult time discussing this case with me, unfortunately.

I haven't seen anyone on here who distrusts ALL of everything. I guess I am more the type of person who likes to hear all opinions and theories.....and I don't trust EVERYTHING. The chloroform information is the most troubling to me. Something doesn't ring true about it. Other stuff I am more believing of....Body Farm air sample testing, for example, the dog hits also.

[shelbar53]

the thread is called "the emails".

[msgatorslayer]

I couldnt find the link....i looked for about 20 minutes...i was just reading everyones comments about them on ws

Thanks. Off to read. Sounds like they may be speculating on what was in the e-mails. :seeya:

[shelbar53]

Thanks. Off to read. Sounds like they may be speculating on what was in the e-mails. :seeya:

let me know if you find a link to the actual emails. thanks

[msgatorslayer]

wow..does his dreams come true?

wonder if there is a church/cemetery...near the Anthonys home?

:o I think the only dreams of his that comes true are when he's dreaming about food and I wake him with dinner, lmao.

[Chillin]

They don't know that Stacey or Natalie either one are deceased, and you can have a POI without it being a homicide, just as in Caylee's case.

Natalee Holloway is dead. Her 'suspect' even described what he had done and where she was put. He still walks free. Corruption at its best. IMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

So true...remember people snickered about DNA testing when it was first introduced....many were non believers in this NEW technology proving to be reliable. Now look at all the cases where DNA has proved invaluable. This is the very reason for the existence of the Body Farm...to learn more than we currently know.

After reading the July 2004 Journal Forensic Science unless results from last four years are much more conclusive than first 18 months, I no longer have any hope for admissibility Body Farm air tests - even in Florida.
jmo

[day2day]

I know too many detectives who leak false stuff to the press in hopes that it'd cause a suspect to make a mistake or approach the DA for a deal to believe what I hear in the press.

The police are ALLOWED TO USE DECEPTION.

Obviously in this case so are the Anthony's!! JMO hammer

[Chillin]

:o I think the only dreams of his that comes true are when he's dreaming about food and I wake him with dinner, lmao.


<snort>:lol:

[anyonesguess]

I think the key would is "could" she didn't say "did"

Just as many posted who they thought could really be Caylee's father, and CW said without proof, do not go there, or they would be banned. What is the difference?

:shrug:

[day2day]

Hey my clients are not of sound mine. I have one i drive every year to her parents grave. A 4 hr. drive i might add-her wish. Upon which time she leaps out of the van and breaks out in a very loud rendition of Achy Breaky heart. As she is doing a jig on her parents grave. She climbs back in and we drive 4 hrs. home. It's all good.

:lol:...omylord!!

[warrkat]

I'm not much of a dreamer at all. But Mr.Gator, he dreams just about ever time he sleeps and he has some weird ones, lol.

Anyway, he took a nap yesterday and woke up saying he had a dream about 'that girl' - he was talking about Caylee.

Said her body was by a fence at a church.:( First time he ever had a dream about a case I was following.

Who was the little girl who was abducted at the car wash? She was found near the fence in a church yard. Maybe he's remembering you talking about that one.

[redcard]

Natalee Holloway is dead. Her 'suspect' even described what he had done and where she was put. He still walks free. Corruption at its best. IMO

YEs. Under the influence of Marijuana when he knew he was being recorded, he made up some stuff that could not be verified. There was a lot of corruption in the NH case, I'll give you that, but I think we'll eventually find out that a lot more of it came from Beth and the "searchers" than ever did from the police.

[nc1948]

Hmm..the zoo. Oh nevermind ..:D

To late, we all went there for a moment. Couldn't help it.

[Regina.Lampert]

If you catch the broadcast again, you'll see the name of the assisted living facility. Why don't you call them and tell them their driver's insane?

I'm sure they'll want to get her off the roads!

:seeya:

Bottom line, patients decide where they want to go. They wanted to see the protesters and there were none there. They were disappointed. They did not hang around or get out of the van or gawk at the neighbors.

'Nuff said.


Well, I for one got a kick out of that story. Just adds to the surreal atmosphere, plus it reminded me of one of my favorite movies. "The Dream Team" with Peter Boyle and a bunch of mental hospital inmates on a bustrip to a NYC ballgame. Sitting in the bus singing "Hit the road Jack!!"........lol.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFeyf3NwHPc


:tongue:

[st777jo]

I think it's equally insane to "giggle" at protesters while driving a busload of Alzheimer patients past the residence.


Aren't you always saying "stay on topic"?

[barskin&co.]

Is there a link to these e-mails? I'd like to read them. TIA
It's in the search warrant.

[day2day]

To late, we all went there for a moment. Couldn't help it.

Pretty darn close to the truth ..yanno!! jmo

[Loves2Read]

If the shoe fits.

bookie are you here to pick fights and try to anger people or do you have some opinions of your own you would like to share? :rolleyes:

[need2no]

After reading the July 2004 Journal Forensic Science unless results from last four years are much more conclusive than first 18 months, I no longer have any hope for admissibility Body Farm air tests - even in Florida.
jmo


Thanks CuC..I'll have to go read up on it. I hate THIS CASE has to involve some new and controversial testing....I can see them spending a week or more on this during the trial. Reminds me of the arsenic tests and the dueling experts in the Cindy Sommer case.

[OneUp]

I think it's equally insane to "giggle" at protesters while driving a busload of Alzheimer patients past the residence.Really? Yourself and several others posters seem to have made quite a hobby of ridiculing protestors. I see daily references to their intellectual capacity, mullets, parenting, and personal appearance etc.
Is that not the board equivalent of "driving by and giggling" at them?
JMO.
Same Stuff, Different Day.
I find that particular "field trip" distasteful and meaningless as the majority of those in the bus are unlikely to have a level of awareness involving the "here and now" that makes Gawking at a current crime related circus meaningless to them (unless I suppose they were early stage?).
JMO.

[warrkat]

Carlie Brucia.

thx. I could see the video in my mind, but not her name.

[Chillin]

YEs. Under the influence of Marijuana when he knew he was being recorded, he made up some stuff that could not be verified. There was a lot of corruption in the NH case, I'll give you that, but I think we'll eventually find out that a lot more of it came from Beth and the "searchers" than ever did from the police.
I will disagree with you but its OT so we should hush.

[barskin&co.]

More on Casey's phoney emails: Use this link. Look at the search warrant, pages 6 and 7.

http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

[kakax]

Well, I for one got a kick out of that story. Just adds to the surreal atmosphere, plus it reminded me of one of my favorite movies. "The Dream Team" with Peter Boyle and a bunch of mental hospital inmates on a bustrip to a NYC ballgame. Sitting in the bus singing "Hit the road Jack!!"........lol.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFeyf3NwHPc


:tongue:

LOL!! I haven't seen that movie. It will be on my list of videos to rent this weekend rofl!!

[Regina.Lampert]

Not necessarily true.

When and IF, LE ever decides to verify any of these supposed leaks with some truth, then it's up to each individual to weigh what they believe to be credible or not.

So far, LE can't even seem to decide what they believe, so there's a huge difference there.

I have no problem with anyone disregarding what I believe to be true and accurate.

I expect to see many of these "opinions" in the defense's case in chief:

LE planted evidence
Le was sloppy
LE contaminated the evidence
LE failed to get a search warrant
LE rushed to judgement.......yada, yada, yada

We've heard it all before.

[chrissybot]

I just read on another forum about all the emails caseys fabricated. Unbelievable amount of time and energy to spend just she can fool her bafoon parents into babysitting and giving her money. The more I read the more I feel the parents are just plain fools. I would think that after all the lies from casey they would say enough is enough. I cant wait till the trial so all the lies are exposed in front of the world. I would hide my head in shame if casey was my daughter. IMO

She sure did put alot of thought into that lie didn't she. Sheesh, who goes that far into the lie, I mean by making up a bunch of phony emails. Crazy. IMO

[anyonesguess]

I disagree. If it was their outing they can choose where they want to go. If I was in Orlando I'd drive by to...for the chits and giggles.

Hi Chillin I agree with you. Alzheimers patients can't be discriminated against imo. They have long moments of clarity, and especially in early stages. If that is where they requested to go, then who are we to deny that because of a disease they have? So who cares if they drove by the house? It did not hurt anything. They were not there to protest. It was just a bus driving them by the house. It doesn't hurt me or anyone to drive by the home. I am sure many people have driven by the home to see what they could see imo.

[Chillin]

Really? Yourself and several others posters seem to have made quite a hobby of ridiculing protestors. I see daily references to their intellectual capacity, mullets, parenting, and personal appearance etc.
Is that not the board equivalent of "driving by and giggling" at them?
JMO.
Same Stuff, Different Day.
I find that particular "field trip" distasteful and meaningless as the majority of those in the bus are unlikely to have a level of awareness involving the "here and now" that makes Gawking at a current crime related circus meaningless to them (unless I suppose they were early stage?).
JMO.

I dont find it distasteful at all. I personally feel theses folks dont sit all day online like some of us that sit and gawk thru webcams..this was there way of seeing news up close. No harm in a drive by. They wanted to see protesters. No biggie.

[crymeariver2006]

At least she has a vested personal connection with that gravesite, so no, that's not nearly as crazy as driving a busload of Alzheimer patients to gawk at protesters making fools of themselves for Media purposes only.


Please stop your characterizations of Alzheimers patients and their intentions.

[jammies]

I disagree. If it was their outing they can choose where they want to go. If I was in Orlando I'd drive by to...for the chits and giggles.


You can bet that EVERYONE on this board would make a drive-by. Why should some poor old alz. patients be any different!

[barskin&co.]

No Zanny = No kidnappers
No kidnappers = deceased Caylee :(
Occam's razor. Casey is guilty of killing Caylee. JMO :shrug:

Wise words, Rock!♫

[Chillin]

Hi Chillin I agree with you. Alzheimers patients can't be discriminated against imo. They have long moments of clarity, and especially in early stages. If that is where they requested to go, then who are we to deny that because of a disease they have? So who cares if they drove by the house? It did not hurt anything. They were not there to protest. It was just a bus driving them by the house. It doesn't hurt me or anyone to drive by the home. I am sure many people have driven by the home to see what they could see imo.

Absolutely. I'm at treatment three days a week...wish they'd off me a drive by..I'd sure go.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Thanks CuC..I'll have to go read up on it. I hate THIS CASE has to involve some new and controversial testing....I can see them spending a week or more on this during the trial. Reminds me of the arsenic tests and the dueling experts in the Cindy Sommer case.

Two posters (whose opinion I respect) advised the air tests would not come in as evidence. Until reading the article I held out hope with the first time for everything theory, as well. Lots for a defense attorney to challenge, IMO. But here's the link.
http://www.searchdogs.org/articles/Decomp%20Odor%20Analysis%20Database.pdf

[beemeup]

At least she has a vested personal connection with that gravesite, so no, that's not nearly as crazy as driving a busload of Alzheimer patients to gawk at protesters making fools of themselves for Media purposes only.

All i am saying is they are Alzheimer patients. Mine are far from that. Having said that maybe they do feel a connection seeing this little girls face all over the news. Is it right-who knows. For some reason they felt compelled to see the protesters. Maybe cuz they are out there doing things they cant. I certainly have no idea what there purpose was. However when u work with folks such a these and the work i do if u can think beyond the obv. sometimes there is a very valid reason close to their heart. Do u not think i didnt get weird looks on my annual field trip. It's not about me it's her way of expressing her grief without pulling herself into the despairs of depression. She has since passed and i get great comfort knowing all 3 of them are up there doing a jig to Achy Breaky:beer:

[kakax]

Please stop your characterizations of Alzheimers patients and their intentions.


It is so mean and hateful. The only fools in this story are the ones who believe Casey's lies...

[Chillin]

You can bet that EVERYONE on this board would make a drive-by. Why should some poor old alz. patients be any different!

You got that. Those who bash the media and protesters are sitting right their watching on webcam while complaining about people invading others privacy. I'd bet just about anyone here would take a ride if it were offered.

[Loves2Read]

I have found Bookie's posts to be valuable and informative.

Of that I have no doubt.....:punch:

[nc1948]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ~DaddysGirl~
Key word, DRIVER, and yes that's insane to drive a bunch of Alzheimer patients past a house to gawk at protesters.

*********************************

Awwww, don't be a hater! That outing was probably the highlight of those folks day! They had to sign up at the home to go and everything.
Its standing room only LOL bus to Caseys Houose. Gives the old folks something to talk about over and over.
The Anthonys performed a public service without even realizing it!!!!

Yes, don't begrudge them their outing. Hey, we are the ones sitting on our computers for hours, also watching the web cams, and complaining when they go down. Who's weird. Casey,Cindy, George have made us all a little mad.

[day2day]

It is so mean and hateful. The only fools in this story are the ones who believe Casey's lies...

Is there anyone in America that could believe her?! :seeya:

[happy2bme]

http://ladyontheplaza.blogspot.com/2008/08/casey-anthony-documents-shed-new-life.html (http://ladyontheplaza.blogspot.com/2008/08/casey-anthony-documents-shed-new-life.html)


I found this blog and it gives you page numbers for stuff in the Documents. The link to the documents on this site won't go to the actual document. Have they been removed? Anyway for those who are interested it does give pages number.

[happy2bme]

http://ladyontheplaza.blogspot.com/2008/08/casey-anthony-documents-shed-new-life.html (http://ladyontheplaza.blogspot.com/2008/08/casey-anthony-documents-shed-new-life.html)


I found this blog and it gives you page numbers for stuff in the Documents. The link to the documents on this site won't go to the actual document. Have they been removed? Anyway for those who are interested it does give pages number.


It tells about emails.

[Regina.Lampert]

And every one of them come from past cases. The most recent is Cynthia Sommer. She was convicted because of contaminated tissue samples.

IMO, casey anthony is no Cynthia Sommer.

[redcard]

Two posters (whose opinion I respect) advised the air tests would not come in as evidence. Until reading the article I held out hope with the first time for everything theory, as well. Lots for a defense attorney to challenge, IMO. But here's the link.
http://www.searchdogs.org/articles/Decomp%20Odor%20Analysis%20Database.pdf

Doesn't surprise me.

Sometimes the results of forensic testing are something the police will use as a weapon, but that the prosecutor can't use for fear of violating ethics rules.

Lawyers are held to a much higher standard, and that's what happened in the LAX case..the lawyer DA tried to continue playing the police's games. Now he can't practice law.

[nutterbutter]

was a Nate living with TonE and Clint, why no police interview? I think Clint & Nate are one in the same, and Clint said Casey took Caylee home to grandma at night and Nate says the nanny, someone must be lying. to many player to many lies, you don't know who to believe,
and i sure don't believe the Anthony's stories.
Casey may have told one of them the nanny story and one the granny story.That would not be a stretch to imagine at all.:mad:moo

[deep*fear]

It is so mean and hateful. The only fools in this story are the ones who believe Casey's lies...


:beer: Post of the day!

[kakax]

Is there anyone in America that could believe her?! :seeya:


Not in my world!! Casey's world is a little different than mine!:seeya:

[OneUp]

Hi Chillin I agree with you. Alzheimers patients can't be discriminated against imo. They have long moments of clarity, and especially in early stages. If that is where they requested to go, then who are we to deny that because of a disease they have? So who cares if they drove by the house? It did not hurt anything. They were not there to protest. It was just a bus driving them by the house. It doesn't hurt me or anyone to drive by the home. I am sure many people have driven by the home to see what they could see imo.
You do have apoint there. I find ANYONE wanting to do so distasteful, but that's just me.
They have as much RIGHT as the next person to go. Having Alzheimers certainly does not strip a person of any of their rights to do things they enjoy.
I still find the gawking distasteful, but wanted to be sure no one thought I was suggesting that they (or anyone) had no right to do so.
I find a long list of things distasteful, but would never interfere with the right of another to enjoy them. It doesn't make them bad people either...I find Tobacco use, PDA, hip huggers on the chubby, and a lot of other things nasty that many people do. Many otherwise NICE people IMO.
JMO.

[Chillin]

I think the protesters should be outside the Sheriffs office demanding an arrest if they evidence of a dead Caylee. mooThey are building a case. I wouldnt demand anything of them other than to do their best to convict her. I dont want a rush job..i want a conviction. Im patient.

[barskin&co.]

http://ladyontheplaza.blogspot.com/2008/08/casey-anthony-documents-shed-new-life.html (http://ladyontheplaza.blogspot.com/2008/08/casey-anthony-documents-shed-new-life.html)


I found this blog and it gives you page numbers for stuff in the Documents. The link to the documents on this site won't go to the actual document. Have they been removed? Anyway for those who are interested it does give pages number.

Good link! Some other document links have become inaccessable.

[~jomomma~]

YEs. Under the influence of Marijuana when he knew he was being recorded, he made up some stuff that could not be verified. There was a lot of corruption in the NH case, I'll give you that, but I think we'll eventually find out that a lot more of it came from Beth and the "searchers" than ever did from the police.


LMAO!!

uh....yeah

[need2no]

Two posters (whose opinion I respect) advised the air tests would not come in as evidence. Until reading the article I held out hope with the first time for everything theory, as well. Lots for a defense attorney to challenge, IMO. But here's the link.
http://www.searchdogs.org/articles/Decomp%20Odor%20Analysis%20Database.pdf


TY!...that's a good bit of reading but quite interesting from what I've read so far, but then I love this stuff!

I'm not sure LE would use the air result tests on the warrant or in court considering all the controversy this would cause and likely would confuse jurors...thus yet another reason LE are working so hard to get their their ducks in a row before arresting Casey on murder charges.

[st777jo]

You have to pretend "slap" someone because they find Bookie's posts to be informative?!?!

Get a grip on yourself.

Do you have any informative conversations on here concerning the Anthony's or do you just come on here to disect people's opinions?

[chrissybot]

Cnn headine news having a Caylee update shortly.:seeya:

[Chillin]

You have to pretend "slap" someone because they find Bookie's posts to be informative?!?!

Get a grip on yourself.

:punch:hammer

[day2day]

Not in my world!! Casey's world is a little different than mine!:seeya:

She lives in her own little world. I pray that its a small one. jmo

[impartial]

After reading the July 2004 Journal Forensic Science unless results from last four years are much more conclusive than first 18 months, I no longer have any hope for admissibility Body Farm air tests - even in Florida.
jmo


Hi Cury-us .. do you have a link for the article? Would love to read it.

TIA

:seeya:

[OneUp]

You can bet that EVERYONE on this board would make a drive-by. Why should some poor old alz. patients be any different!No, one cannot bet that. I wouldn't go there if you paid me, and I bet i'm not the only one. I choose not to watch the Webcam either. More power to those who choose either or both. I have zero desire to be anywhere in the vicinity of Cindy and her hose and George and the ham mer.
I may joke about going there, but it would take something like the promise of finding Caylee to get me into that neighborhood.
JMO.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Cnn headine news having a Caylee update shortly.:seeya:


Thank you doll. My phone has been ringing off the hook so I haven't been able to pay attention to what i'm reading on here or hearing what's on TV. Changing to CNN headline news now. :chicken:

[Regina.Lampert]

Yes, and sometimes none, some, or many of those suppositions turn out to be true.

The point is, the public is just "guessing" at this time, as it appears is LE.

I disagree, I believe LE is working this case slowly and methodically and when the new charges come and they will, they will be based on legally obtained evidence that will put casey anthony away for many years to come.

[day2day]

The two don't have to be connected.

You don't have to believe that Caylee is alive and also believe Casey's story.

I for one, don't believe all of Casey's story, but I do believe that Casey is alive.

The same holds true for beliefs about LE's "leaks".

Well DG-i really hope that you are right and that Caylee IS alive-but in my humble opinion she is in a much better place ...:(
As for Casey...sadly i don' think she would know the truth if it slapped her in the face. jmo...

[msgatorslayer]

Good link! Some other document links have become inaccessable.

I'm noticing that to. The links for WFTV are dead.

[redcard]

LMAO!!

uh....yeah

What? His "confession" was a fix by Jamie S, or are you talking about the one where he talked about the boat that was owned by the guy who wasn't even in Aruba at the time of the crimes?

Come now. Same thing went on there as here. People like Nancy Grace making stuff up for ratings or money. Salacious stuff on page one, retraction on page 10.

Now we're finding out in this case it was "trace" amounts of "potential chloroform or cleaning agent."

Tomorrow, it'll be "Nope, crime lab accidentally contaminated it when doing the air test."

[anyonesguess]

At least she has a vested personal connection with that gravesite, so no, that's not nearly as crazy as driving a busload of Alzheimer patients to gawk at protesters making fools of themselves for Media purposes only.

NO ONE was made a fool of any of the people on the bus. They have as much right to drive by that house as anyone if that is what they choose to do. They drove by the flippin house for 2 seconds. Did that hurt you? Maybe it was the highlight of their day, and later on they will talk to each other about it with lucidity.

[st777jo]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jammies
You can bet that EVERYONE on this board would make a drive-by. Why should some poor old alz. patients be any different!


I don't know about everyone, but I would.

[Loves2Read]

You have to pretend "slap" someone because they find Bookie's posts to be informative?!?!

Get a grip on yourself.

Stay on topic. PM me if you want to talk o/t, or ignore and adjust. :no: Leave me alone.

[need2no]

Hi Cury-us .. do you have a link for the article? Would love to read it.

TIA

:seeya:


Here you go:


http://www.searchdogs.org/articles/D...20Database.pdf

[WillowInFlight]

Thank you doll. My phone has been ringing off the hook so I haven't been able to pay attention to what i'm reading on here or hearing what's on TV. Changing to CNN headline news now. :chicken:


Loraine talking about the trash she took

[beemeup]

Peolple have the right to protest publicly within the law. They are doing that as far as i can see. Some of us are not going to agree but it is a right. I cannot believe the Anthony's did not think this would turn into a media mecca etc. I would think most would get the heck out of dodge-to a friends or relative's. Come to think of it i have not seen much support in that sense. Have not yet heard the excuse we are waiting for the kidnapper's to call so need to be here.:beer:

[WillowInFlight]

I believe Casey is alive too.

Its Caylee that we think is dead. :rose:

You've got that right. ;)

[tiny paw-prints]

Quote:Originally Posted by msgatorslayer
I'm not much of a dreamer at all. But Mr.Gator, he dreams just about ever time he sleeps and he has some weird ones, lol.

Anyway, he took a nap yesterday and woke up saying he had a dream about 'that girl' - he was talking about Caylee.

Said her body was by a fence at a church. First time he ever had a dream about a case I was following.

***********************************

While following this case from the beginning, I've observed several reasons why I think it would be a good idea to search around a church.

Does anyone know which church the Anthony family attends. Have any of them avoided going to the church?

[Joan Weiss]

Two posters (whose opinion I respect) advised the air tests would not come in as evidence. Until reading the article I held out hope with the first time for everything theory, as well. Lots for a defense attorney to challenge, IMO. But here's the link.
http://www.searchdogs.org/articles/Decomp%20Odor%20Analysis%20Database.pdfThank you. I'm sure I heard Dr. Kobelinsky say this test had been presented successfully in court. Nah, I'm not wading through all those NG transcripts. imo

[Chillin]

NO ONE was made a fool of any of the people on the bus. They have as much right to drive by that house as anyone if that is what they choose to do. They drove by the flippin house for 2 seconds. Did that hurt you? Maybe it was the highlight of their day, and later on they will talk to each other about it with lucidity.Agreed. Driving by the hosue and talking among themselves is no different than the countless hours someof us are here discussing it..looking up lionks, watching the webcam, etc.

Some just need every excuse imaginable to disagree with others.

[jammies]

Quote:Originally Posted by msgatorslayer
I'm not much of a dreamer at all. But Mr.Gator, he dreams just about ever time he sleeps and he has some weird ones, lol.

Anyway, he took a nap yesterday and woke up saying he had a dream about 'that girl' - he was talking about Caylee.

Said her body was by a fence at a church. First time he ever had a dream about a case I was following.

***********************************

While following this case from the beginning, I've observed several reasons why I think it would be a good idea to search around a church.

Does anyone know which church the Anthony family attends. Have any of them avoided going to the church?



I have wondered the same, Tiny. There was talk about Casey going to church last Sunday but don't know if that's a fact.

[Joan Weiss]

I think the "leaks" make them appear less professional and less credible.

imoDo you know that the "leaks" came from LE? I don't see anything that states that LE leaked anything. Could have been anyone who had access to the paperwork, even a file clerk. imo

[EGirl]

What? His "confession" was a fix by Jamie S, or are you talking about the one where he talked about the boat that was owned by the guy who wasn't even in Aruba at the time of the crimes?

Come now. Same thing went on there as here. People like Nancy Grace making stuff up for ratings or money. Salacious stuff on page one, retraction on page 10.

Now we're finding out in this case it was "trace" amounts of "potential chloroform or cleaning agent."

Tomorrow, it'll be "Nope, crime lab accidentally contaminated it when doing the air test."


So how do you think that ties into the searches on her computer?

[Rebel Rouzer]

Well DG-i really hope that you are right and that Caylee IS alive-but in my humble opinion she is in a much better place ...:(
As for Casey...sadly i don' think she would know the truth if it slapped her in the face. jmo...

Agree. That female couldn't tell the truth if her life depended on it. IMO
Oh wait. Her life does depend on it. She still hasn't told the truth.

[shelbar53]

More on Casey's phoney emails: Use this link. Look at the search warrant, pages 6 and 7.

http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

thanks...wow im going blind reading all this stuff.

[chrissybot]

Thank you doll. My phone has been ringing off the hook so I haven't been able to pay attention to what i'm reading on here or hearing what's on TV. Changing to CNN headline news now. :chicken:

Hi Rebel. No new news. We really need some new news. Everything on headline news was just a rehash.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Well IMO

Knowing Lil' Caylee is no longer "with us" and knowing that her mom has the answers, is as clear as a looking glass to me.

I just hope her jury isn't made up of the people that think one rain drop on that glass is cause for 'reasonable doubt' should Caylee's body not be located.


;)

[jammies]

Agree. That female couldn't tell the truth if her life depended on it. IMO
Oh wait. Her life does depend on it. She still hasn't told the truth.

WHy should she tell the truth. She's got her whole family spouting those lies and her brother hi-fiving her.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Hi Rebel. No new news. We really need some new news. Everything on headline news was just a rehash.

Agree. I just heard it. It's funny how we always discus things here before they report it on the national news stations. They need to keep up with us and Florida local news stations. They are too slow. lol

[anyonesguess]

I have no problem with anyone disregarding what I believe to be true and accurate.

I expect to see many of these "opinions" in the defense's case in chief:

LE planted evidence
Le was sloppy
LE contaminated the evidence
LE failed to get a search warrant
LE rushed to judgement.......yada, yada, yada

We've heard it all before.

I agree Regina. That is the defense lawyers job to create doubt imo.

[jbellaj]

I have no problem with anyone disregarding what I believe to be true and accurate.

I expect to see many of these "opinions" in the defense's case in chief:

LE planted evidence
Le was sloppy
LE contaminated the evidence
LE failed to get a search warrant
LE rushed to judgement.......yada, yada, yada

We've heard it all before.

Yes we have. Example, this was done in the OJ case and look how that turned out. Baez will play the same cards. JMO of course

[crymeariver2006]

Thank you. I'm sure I heard Dr. Kobelinsky say this test had been presented successfully in court. Nah, I'm not wading through all those NG transcripts. imo


He did say that. He also said that it wasn't "new" science.

That was before he was contacted by Baez though.

[shelbar53]

Is there anyone in America that could believe her?! :seeya:

yes, her parents

[AMS80]

Wrong, she hasn't officially been declared dead, although you may think that's the case.

Back on topic, Caylee's case.


Funny, but I'm not at all suprised that you say that.

I guess I need to realize that people feel differently about cases. Some stick to realistic theories, even when it's not what they want. I don't for a second want to think Caylee is dead. I've prayed and prayed that she's not. All of the things that have been brought out since the day she went missing (400 pages of documents alone) lead me to believe that she is. I apologize, they were actually things brought out 31 days after she went missing since her mother didn't care enough to notify anyone immediately.

Then again there are others that cling to shoddy theories no matter what evidence is thrown into their face. Natalee Holloway is alive and that silly Joran just got high and made up the story about how he dumped her not knowing whether she was dead or alive!!! Caylee is alive and well and hanging out with Zanny - how silly of us to disregard cadaver dogs and chloroform and lies and witness statements and Casey's behavior and..............................oh, nevermind.

All IMO, MHOO, and all that jazz.

[redcard]

So how do you think that ties into the searches on her computer?

Who knows? She has a pool. Chloroform is CHCL3.

That means that Chlorine only needs to bond with a hydrocarbon to produce it. IF there were pool supplies being carried in the back of the trunk, and the air sniffer that they used for testing for the body had improper venting or cross contaminated, you could potentially get a false positive from that.

Heck, if you go to your bank and get a $20 from the ATM, I suspect that trace amounts of chlorine could be found on the bill.

And we don't know if the searches were for cholorform. Only that they were related to chloroform. I know that I have friends who own pools who search for chlorine and pool supplies online.

Technically, if you looked anything up about chloroform, there are searches on YOUR computer too.

[st777jo]

Agreed. Driving by the hosue and talking among themselves is no different than the countless hours someof us are here discussing it..looking up lionks, watching the webcam, etc.

Some just need every excuse imaginable to disagree with others.




Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina.Lampert
I disagree, I believe LE is working this case slowly and methodically and when the new charges come and they will, they will be based on legally obtained evidence that will put casey anthony away for many years to come.


Agree totally with both of you.

[kitty1182]

LOL!! I haven't seen that movie. It will be on my list of videos to rent this weekend rofl!!

wE have that movie on DVD..You must see it..:D

[WillowInFlight]

yes, her parents
I'm not even sure they believe her any more.

[day2day]

yes, her parents

And Lee. :punch: <---for me!

[crymeariver2006]

You misread the post.

Originally Posted by ~DaddysGirl~

At least she has a vested personal connection with that gravesite, so no, that's not nearly as crazy as driving a busload of Alzheimer patients to gawk at protesters making fools of themselves for Media purposes only.

It's apparent you didn't see the broadcast. Maybe you can catch a rerun of it at 5 or 6.

You'll be surprised at how wrong you are.

[anyonesguess]

You do have apoint there. I find ANYONE wanting to do so distasteful, but that's just me.
They have as much RIGHT as the next person to go. Having Alzheimers certainly does not strip a person of any of their rights to do things they enjoy.
I still find the gawking distasteful, but wanted to be sure no one thought I was suggesting that they (or anyone) had no right to do so.
I find a long list of things distasteful, but would never interfere with the right of another to enjoy them. It doesn't make them bad people either...I find Tobacco use, PDA, hip huggers on the chubby, and a lot of other things nasty that many people do. Many otherwise NICE people IMO.
JMO.

OneUp, I agree with you and knew what you meant. :)

[WillowInFlight]

I'm thinking if everyone just left the Anthony's alone for a couple of weeks, and no attention was put on them, they would break.

Put the effort into looking for Caylee, dead or alive and let the others sit and sweat without the glare of the media. They couldn't stand that for sure.

IMO they all have something to hide.

That is exactly what my husband said last night,

[Joan Weiss]

A file clerk employed by the government?Yeah, a gabby little girl that chit-chats around the water cooler, and reads everything she copies in the office. You think that qualifies as LE? :rolleyes:

[Rebel Rouzer]

Yeah, a gabby little girl that chit-chats around the water cooler, and reads everything she copies in the office. You think that qualifies as LE? :rolleyes:


lol sorry but I found that funny.

[deep*fear]

I believe Casey is alive too.

Its Caylee that we think is dead. :rose:

I think Caylee's body is dead.
I think Casey's soul is dead.

[jbellaj]

The two don't have to be connected.

You don't have to believe that Caylee is alive and also believe Casey's story.

I for one, don't believe all of Casey's story, but I do believe that Casey is alive.

The same holds true for beliefs about LE's "leaks".

Did you mean Caylee because we know that casey is alive.:shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

He did say that. He also said that it wasn't "new" science.

That was before he was contacted by Baez though.Thank you. Amazing, isn't he? imo

[WinnieLeigh7]

Yeah, a gabby little girl that chit-chats around the water cooler, and reads everything she copies in the office. You think that qualifies as LE? :rolleyes:



:lol:


That's funny! I don't know what ya'll are talking about...

I'm not even sure what discussion about "leaks" are, what "leaks?"

But the gabby girl at the water cooler is funny LOL

[msgatorslayer]

All that Casey did to pretend she had a job is just mind boggling.

I guess in her state of grandiose, she couldn't allow one of her friends to actually order a cheeseburger from her at McDonalds. It was so beneath her.

As her friends were completing their education and going places in their lives, Casey had to be better, and be one step ahead of the rest.

[EGirl]

Who knows? She has a pool. Chloroform is CHCL3.

That means that Chlorine only needs to bond with a hydrocarbon to produce it. IF there were pool supplies being carried in the back of the trunk, and the air sniffer that they used for testing for the body had improper venting or cross contaminated, you could potentially get a false positive from that.

Heck, if you go to your bank and get a $20 from the ATM, I suspect that trace amounts of chlorine could be found on the bill.

And we don't know if the searches were for cholorform. Only that they were related to chloroform. I know that I have friends who own pools who search for chlorine and pool supplies online.

Technically, if you looked anything up about chloroform, there are searches on YOUR computer too.


Well of course there would. But, I think your statement about producing chloroform is a bit simplistic. It is my understanding that you have to have very high heat to produce Chloroform?

Also, I think you have the cart before the horse. They didn't look for searches on Chrloroform becasue they found it in the car. They searched for the presence of chloroform because SHE HAD SEARCHED FOR IT's USES.

:shrug:

[Sweetly]

Morning, ALL :hat:
Well I can see there is no new news and that the "instigators" are here in full force. Gets so old, is so unnecessary and makes it so hard to find REAL NEWS and to follow this case!

So, anyone know who is watching the "princess" while the parents are in NY looking for blood money? Is Casey at "her NEW office" or at home?
Any news as to when the TES team will resume the search?

I am so sick of this pack of lies and all the dodged the bullets from this family. All we want is for Caylee to be found and for this nightmare to come to a just end!

I sooo hope today is the day Caylee will be found and the wheels of justice will crank into HIGH GEAR!

[AlohaRainbow]

*snip*
Say the Anthony family typically uses chloroform as a cleaner. ... if the Anthony's typically use it as a cleaner where's the bottle?
i don't think too many people use chloroform as a general "cleaner" as they would, say pine sol or mr clean, etc.

chloroform is a solvent, meaning it can 'dissolve' certain and specific organic substances. if anyone had it lying around their home for "cleaning", it would most likely be used for 'spot' cleaning things like wax or gum...

Chloroform
Chloroform is a colorless liquid at room temperature and is very volatile. Characterized as having a heavy sweet odor somewhat like ether, chloroform is actually sweeter than cane sugar. Chloroform cannot mix well with water. Like salad oil in water, chloroform separates into a layer. However, it does mix well with other hydrocarbons, so one of its uses is as a solvent or cleaner to dissolve other organic substances like gums, waxes, resins, and fats. Also, chloroform is used in the industrial synthesis of the non-stick coating called Teflon (polytetrafluoroethylene), which is an organic polymer. However, in the past, the primary use for chloroform was as a general anesthetic.
http://science.jrank.org/pages/1435/Chlorinated-Hydrocarbons.html

[much in the same way that acetone is not used as a general houselhold "cleaner" but is used for specific 'cleaning' purposes, such as epoxy and nail polish removal - it 'dissolves' (cleans) certain classes of compounds http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=153 ]

[cassidy]

That is exactly what my husband said last night,

And I agree with your husband and Aame. The protesters are only giving them what they want..a forum to call "foul" and try to garner sympathy as the pitiful victims of constant harrassment. Go home protesters, channel your outrage in a productive manner. I think LE has backed off already from their previous habit of releasing information. Keep it close LE, don't let them see your cards. Keep them wondering what you're up to The media needs to take down their cameras and send the reporters off on another job. The Anthony's love the attention, don't give it to them. Leave them alone to wallow in the silence.


JMO

[Kathlb]

I posted earlier this morning about hearing a leak on NG about the search that Casey did online for chloroform. They said one was for how to administer it to a person. Well, I've searched and searched and can't find it. I think it was Drew Petramo (sp) but not sure. Now I'm questioning myself...did I hear it? Read it? Hmmmmmm, so until I find the actual statement, please take it with a grain of salt. I'll still keep looking. ;) Thanks!

[margaritaville]

IMO, casey anthony is no Cynthia Sommer.

There are some similarities I see in the two women.

1. they both grieve the same way. Sleeping with a lot of men and parting.

2. They both got tattoos after the death of their loved one.

But the difference between them is Cindy did not murder Todd, but Casey did murder Caylee....

moo

[WillowInFlight]

Web cam shows people in front of Anthony house. http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

[Rebel Rouzer]

And I agree with your husband and Aame. The protesters are only giving them what they want..a forum to call "foul" and try to garner sympathy as the pitiful victims of constant harrassment. Go home protesters, channel your outrage in a productive manner. I think LE has backed off already from their previous habit of releasing information. Keep it close LE, don't let them see your cards. Keep them wondering what you're up to The media needs to take down their cameras and send the reporters off on another job. The Anthony's love the attention, don't give it to them. Leave them alone to wallow in the silence.


JMO


I don't think it's just the Anthony's that thrive on the attention. IMO I do agree with your post.

[msgatorslayer]

Quote:Originally Posted by msgatorslayer
I'm not much of a dreamer at all. But Mr.Gator, he dreams just about ever time he sleeps and he has some weird ones, lol.

Anyway, he took a nap yesterday and woke up saying he had a dream about 'that girl' - he was talking about Caylee.

Said her body was by a fence at a church. First time he ever had a dream about a case I was following.

***********************************

While following this case from the beginning, I've observed several reasons why I think it would be a good idea to search around a church.

Does anyone know which church the Anthony family attends. Have any of them avoided going to the church?

I don't know. You'd think that if the Anthony's had a regular church, we'd know about it. As church groups normally rally members and they become a strong support system for a family at a time like this.

Haven't seen anything like that, here. Other than the pastor being at the house.

[beemeup]

All that Casey did to pretend she had a job is just mind boggling.

I guess in her state of grandiose, she couldn't allow one of her friends to actually order a cheeseburger from her at McDonalds. It was so beneath her.

As her friends were completing their education and going places in their lives, Casey had to be better, and be one step ahead of the rest.

Great post-have come across a few socio's (work) thank gawd. Yes the delusion of Grandiose are always classic. However there are those close to them willing to swallow the obv. signs for years- look how long Scotty got away with it. Parents still believe he is innocent. Of course not all go on to kill but when you have been given a pass all your life by a parent-NOT GOOD OUTCOME for some poor soul. I was touched by the young fellow on noon news today who just knelt and said a prayer.:rose:

[Rebel Rouzer]

I posted earlier this morning about hearing a leak on NG about the search that Casey did online for chloroform. They said one was for how to administer it to a person. Well, I've searched and searched and can't find it. I think it was Drew Petramo (sp) but not sure. Now I'm questioning myself...did I hear it? Read it? Hmmmmmm, so until I find the actual statement, please take it with a grain of salt. I'll still keep looking. ;) Thanks!

If I remember correctly. NG's producer was the one who stated that as well. You did not imagine it. I also heard it.

[deep*fear]

i don't think too many people use chloroform as a general "cleaner" as they would, say pine sol or mr clean, etc.

chloroform is a solvent, meaning it can 'dissolve' certain and specific organic substances. if anyone had it lying around their home for "cleaning", it would most likely be used for 'spot' cleaning things like wax or gum...

Chloroform
Chloroform is a colorless liquid at room temperature and is very volatile. Characterized as having a heavy sweet odor somewhat like ether, chloroform is actually sweeter than cane sugar. Chloroform cannot mix well with water. Like salad oil in water, chloroform separates into a layer. However, it does mix well with other hydrocarbons, so one of its uses is as a solvent or cleaner to dissolve other organic substances like gums, waxes, resins, and fats. Also, chloroform is used in the industrial synthesis of the non-stick coating called Teflon (polytetrafluoroethylene), which is an organic polymer. However, in the past, the primary use for chloroform was as a general anesthetic.
http://science.jrank.org/pages/1435/Chlorinated-Hydrocarbons.html

[much in the same way that acetone is not used as a general houselhold "cleaner" but is used for specific 'cleaning' purposes, such as epoxy and nail polish removal - it 'dissolves' (cleans) certain classes of compounds http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=153 ]



Ok, does Chloroform bleach fabric?

Anyone know if the carpet in Casey's trunk would be 'glued' down? Would the chloroform be used to get under the carpet to clean better?

*I* would have just thrown the carpet away and said a container of bleach came open in the trunk and ruined it ... Which makes me think the trunk wasn't cleaned until around the time LE was called (as opposed to having weeks for that carpet to sink in the landfill)

[anyonesguess]

You misread the post.

Originally Posted by ~DaddysGirl~

At least she has a vested personal connection with that gravesite, so no, that's not nearly as crazy as driving a busload of Alzheimer patients to gawk at protesters making fools of themselves for Media purposes only.

You are discriminating against Alzheimers patients imo. You must not know much about the disease. I DO, and hold all of the unfortunate people that have it dear to my heart. If that is something they chose to do as a group, then who are you to say they should not. You are not their caregiver or provider, and you do not pay their bills imo.

[OneUp]

I have a little thing to share that contributes to the subjects of evidence and decomp. smell.
I have been smelling an odor for three days...sometimes stronger, seems to me to be in every room. I can't find a source. Today, i removed my wedding rings for their weekly cleaning, and the smell got ALOT stronger!
It turns out that about 4 nights ago, I had made burger patties for my DH to grill and hadn't thought to remove my rings. I just washed my hands well with dish soap after. I wash my hands multiple times a day and of course, have since. And I "hand wash" my dishes.
Now the little "bits" of beef that made their way into the back of my engagement rings were very small, but the odor was big enough that it nauseated me and I washed my hands over and over thinking something was in my nail beds, etc. I was even thinking of going to my Dr. to have my skin and nasal passages checked.
My First point being that even that tiny amount created enough stink for me to think something was wrong with my skin or my nasal passages, or that something was in our air system. So it takes very little matter to leave a smell. I couldn't even see the meat in my rings when i first took them off to clean.
BTW, the odor did get stronger when the rings got wet.
My secodn point is...Has anyone noticed if Casey has a certain ring or watch she always wears? i'm going to check on her pictures and see. I think LE would have thought of this as a possible way to link her directly to Caylee after death, but I don't know...sometimes obvious things get overlooked.
Does anyone have the # or website for the Sheriffs? I'd like to risk bothering them rather than just let it go an assume someone thought to check. We all know that the boards are being monitored, so i'm calling ASAP.
JMO.
I'm sure plenty of folks will think it silly though.
ETA: It is sent. Probably silly, but now I KNOW someone has or will check.

[steffaroob4]

I think LE is doing a good job in this case, I am sure a lot of the chess game we are seeing is being run by the FBI, we are only 2 months into this investiagtion and I am sure there is a boatload of things LE has to do before bringing a murder case to the table.

If you want to talk about the Anthony's rights and how the media & LE are treating them, I do NOT want to hear it, I have grown tired of that families skirting around the truth and finger pointing. (don't even get me started on the story seeling carp) You want to complain about sloppy police work, go look into the recent case where a 2 year old was found in the trunk of an impounded car after 2 months, now that is one drum I will bang with you. I have not seen one bad move by LE in this case, remember this is a neglect case right now, we haven't seen the good stuff, yet.

[Kathlb]

If I remember correctly. NG's producer was the one who stated that as well. You did not imagine it. I also heard it.

Oh thank God! Rebel you saved my sanity. ;-) Thank you! Wish I could find that darned thing. I think I've been through every NG from here to eternity. It mustn't have been on one that states about the chloroform in the title. :seeya::rose:

[margaritaville]

Well of course there would. But, I think your statement about producing chloroform is a bit simplistic. It is my understanding that you have to have very high heat to produce Chloroform?

Also, I think you have the cart before the horse. They didn't look for searches on Chrloroform becasue they found it in the car. They searched for the presence of chloroform because SHE HAD SEARCHED FOR IT's USES.

:shrug:


Heat is not used to make it...

the chemical reaction between the bleach/pool shock and the acetone create a chemical reaction which is hot and must be kept cool with a lot of ice.

http://www.sci-spot.com/Chemistry/chloro2.htm

[Ashes256]

I think Caylee's body is dead.
I think Casey's soul is dead.

:beer: ITA

[redcard]

Well of course there would. But, I think your statement about producing chloroform is a bit simplistic. It is my understanding that you have to have very high heat to produce Chloroform?

Also, I think you have the cart before the horse. They didn't look for searches on Chrloroform becasue they found it in the car. They searched for the presence of chloroform because SHE HAD SEARCHED FOR IT's USES.

:shrug:

See, that's the thing.

We don't know that there were searches on the computer for that at all. That's just a rumor that was on Nancy Grace.

As for producing chloroform, you have to understand, there's a difference between producing pure chloroform that can be used for medical purposes, and producing chloroform that would register on the test they use to detect it.

Bleach and luminol could likely give a false positive for chloroform, depending on what test the CSI tech used. It's VERY easy to contaminate a scene with some of the equipment they have.

This is why, as I said before, it's likely that many of these leaks are not true. They're just trying to get their prime suspect to slip up.

[why-me]

Thanks Why-Me

Nice Name btw, I find myself asking that question alot :D

Sorry, been away from the computer for a bit. Thank you about my name lol I say it a lot too. And you are very welcome.

[st777jo]

I think LE is doing a good job in this case, I am sure a lot of the chess game we are seeing is being run by the FBI, we are only 2 months into this investiagtion and I am sure there is a boatload of things LE has to do before bringing a murder case to the table.

If you want to talk about the Anthony's rights and how the media & LE are treating them, I do NOT want to hear it, I have grown tired of that families skirting around the truth and finger pointing. (don't even get me started on the story seeling carp) You want to complain about sloppy police work, go look into the recent case where a 2 year old was found in the trunk of an impounded car after 2 months, now that is one drum I will bang with you. I have not seen one bad move by LE in this case, remember this is a neglect case right now, we haven't seen the good stuff, yet.


I wholeheartely agree with you. I want all the t's crossed so this girl doesn't get away with anything.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Oh thank God! Rebel you saved my sanity. ;-) Thank you! Wish I could find that darned thing. I think I've been through every NG from here to eternity. It mustn't have been on one that states about the chloroform in the title. :seeya::rose:

This may or may not help in your search for the transcript. I think it was the very first night they had gotten the information about the Chloroform. The second night NG explained to Kobilinsky that her producer was able to buy it within 15 minutes or so.

If I am remebering correctly.

[st777jo]

I have a little thing to share that contributes to the subjects of evidence and decomp. smell.
I have been smelling an odor for three days...sometimes stronger, seems to me to be in every room. I can't find a source. Today, i removed my wedding rings for their weekly cleaning, and the smell got ALOT stronger!
It turns out that about 4 nights ago, I had made burger patties for my DH to grill and hadn't thought to remove my rings. I just washed my hands well with dish soap after. I wash my hands multiple times a day and of course, have since. And I "hand wash" my dishes.
Now the little "bits" of beef that made their way into the back of my engagement rings were very small, but the odor was big enough that it nauseated me and I washed my hands over and over thinking something was in my nail beds, etc. I was even thinking of going to my Dr. to have my skin and nasal passages checked.
My First point being that even that tiny amount created enough stink for me to think something was wrong with my skin or my nasal passages, or that something was in our air system. So it takes very little matter to leave a smell. I couldn't even see the meat in my rings when i first took them off to clean.
BTW, the odor did get stronger when the rings got wet.
My secodn point is...Has anyone noticed if Casey has a certain ring or watch she always wears? i'm going to check on her pictures and see. I think LE would have thought of this as a possible way to link her directly to Caylee after death, but I don't know...sometimes obvious things get overlooked.
Does anyone have the # or website for the Sheriffs? I'd like to risk bothering them rather than just let it go an assume someone thought to check. We all know that the boards are being monitored, so i'm calling ASAP.
JMO.
I'm sure plenty of folks will think it silly though.
ETA: It is sent. Probably silly, but now I KNOW someone has or will check.


I am glad you went with your gut instinct.

[Roux]

I watched the interview NeJame gave the local orlando station, posted by kakax on the links thread. It was totally ineffectual IMO and I don't think they've gotten their monies worth from him so far. Did not see Today appearance.

[steffaroob4]

I wholeheartely agree with you. I want all the t's crossed so this girl doesn't get away with anything.

Me too, I am willing to wait, I may complain about waiting, but I sure don't want to see a mistrial or worse, I have had enough of seeing those.

[beemeup]

You are discriminating against Alzheimers patients imo. You must not know much about the disease. I DO, and hold all of the unfortunate people that have it dear to my heart. If that is something they chose to do as a group, then who are you to say they should not. You are not their caregiver or provider, and you do not pay their bills imo.

Go girl: Obv. you have someone dear to you that suffers from this horrible disease. Yes i would like to know when( the lesser folk for lack of better words) in society appear why does that upset???? They are part of society with all the same rights we have. They did not do anything anyone else has not done. :rose:

[Mandysmom]

NO ONE was made a fool of any of the people on the bus. They have as much right to drive by that house as anyone if that is what they choose to do. They drove by the flippin house for 2 seconds. Did that hurt you? Maybe it was the highlight of their day, and later on they will talk to each other about it with lucidity.

I agree with you totally. How many of us have a "vested personal Interest" in this case?

Makes you wonder. ;)

[OneUp]

I am glad you went with your gut instinct.:) Me too! i would far rather be silly and wrong than silent and right!
I realize between the FBI and local LE they have likely thought of everything already.
But what if the one thing keeping charges from being filed is tying Casey directly to Caylee after death and there is evidence of decomp. in a piece of her jewelry?
I don't even know if there would be enough "matter" there for testing.:shrug:I figured the worst it did was cause some person to have to read and delete my email.
JMO.

[msgatorslayer]

Anybody know a date for the pic where Casey is dressed in jeans and a black tank top?

In one of her e-mails for May 24th, her superior, lmao, I guess, is talking about an event for the 25th. Everyone is supposed to wear jeans and black tshirts. This person will have all the shirts on hand.

I noticed in those party pics, most of the girls were wearing all black tanks.

There are also pics of all girls wearing white tanks that say something.

[anyonesguess]

Originally Posted by OneUp
I have a little thing to share that contributes to the subjects of evidence and decomp. smell.
I have been smelling an odor for three days...sometimes stronger, seems to me to be in every room. I can't find a source. Today, i removed my wedding rings for their weekly cleaning, and the smell got ALOT stronger!
It turns out that about 4 nights ago, I had made burger patties for my DH to grill and hadn't thought to remove my rings. I just washed my hands well with dish soap after. I wash my hands multiple times a day and of course, have since. And I "hand wash" my dishes.
Now the little "bits" of beef that made their way into the back of my engagement rings were very small, but the odor was big enough that it nauseated me and I washed my hands over and over thinking something was in my nail beds, etc. I was even thinking of going to my Dr. to have my skin and nasal passages checked.
My First point being that even that tiny amount created enough stink for me to think something was wrong with my skin or my nasal passages, or that something was in our air system. So it takes very little matter to leave a smell. I couldn't even see the meat in my rings when i first took them off to clean.
BTW, the odor did get stronger when the rings got wet.
My secodn point is...Has anyone noticed if Casey has a certain ring or watch she always wears? i'm going to check on her pictures and see. I think LE would have thought of this as a possible way to link her directly to Caylee after death, but I don't know...sometimes obvious things get overlooked.
Does anyone have the # or website for the Sheriffs? I'd like to risk bothering them rather than just let it go an assume someone thought to check. We all know that the boards are being monitored, so i'm calling ASAP.
JMO.
I'm sure plenty of folks will think it silly though.
ETA: It is sent. Probably silly, but now I KNOW someone has or will check.

Casey DOES wear a ring in many of her pictures on her middle finger of her left hand imo.

[forpsystudent]

TY!...that's a good bit of reading but quite interesting from what I've read so far, but then I love this stuff!

I'm not sure LE would use the air result tests on the warrant or in court considering all the controversy this would cause and likely would confuse jurors...thus yet another reason LE are working so hard to get their their ducks in a row before arresting Casey on murder charges.

Thank you. I'm sure I heard Dr. Kobelinsky say this test had been presented successfully in court. Nah, I'm not wading through all those NG transcripts. imo

The article your quote was addressing was written in 2004. It is but one of several, the latest published in the March 2008 issue of the Journal of Forensic Science. I won't go through the trouble of enumerating the evidentiary hurdles all the Body Farm research would have to clear to be admitted in court. No one would read it anyway. IMO it would be admitted as evidence. 'Nuff said.

[Roux]

I agree. Very ineffectual. He has his work cut out for him. JMO

The comparisons he made to families of MIA soldiers was particularly inappropriate. And to keep harping on the fact that G & C want to protect and believe their daughter only reinforces what most of the public already think.

[beemeup]

Oh my i wish we could all go back to the days where all that mattered was which tank top to wear,which lie to tell our folks about our lost child and have the time to think of such things as looking up Chloraform on the net. Oh the good ole day's.

[WillowInFlight]

The comparisons he made to families of MIA soldiers was particularly inappropriate. And to keep harping on the fact that G & C want to protect and believe their daughter only reinforces what most of the public already think.

ITA, Cindy must have forgotten when she was preaching that this is all about Caylee.

[Rebel Rouzer]

The comparisons he made to families of MIA soldiers was particularly inappropriate. And to keep harping on the fact that G & C want to protect and believe their daughter only reinforces what most of the public already think.


Agree with you. Especially whe he said the Anthony's appreciate all who are looking and the media attention even if they diagree If that were true i don't think they would be calling people maggots and parasites etc. I don't like when people speak out both sides of their mouth with a forked tongue. IMO

[WinnieLeigh7]

Please forgive me for being behind but do we know where George was between the time he picked up the car from the tow yard and the time he showed up at the house while Cindy was on the phone with 911 for the third time?


omgoodness your name is so cool! :D

and to make this post "on topic" my answer to your question is no

[beemeup]

From anything i have seen on the Body farm it has been held in high esteem. Anybody catch any of the shows on Discovery channel???

[Kathlb]

This may or may not help in your search for the transcript. I think it was the very first night they had gotten the information about the Chloroform. The second night NG explained to Kobilinsky that her producer was able to buy it within 15 minutes or so.

If I am remebering correctly.

Okay thanks, I looked at all of those, but maybe I skimmed too quickly. I'll recheck. ;-) I appreciate it!

[Roux]

ITA, Cindy must have forgotten when she was preaching that this is all about Caylee.

Do we know how many times they have met with NeJame? I only knew about the one time she went last week, just before the 20/20 program aired. NeJame says they cry every time he talks to them?

[redcard]

I think the body farm evidence has too many chain of custody issues to end up being admissible in court. We'll see, though.

I suspect though, that if the DA felt it was admissible, they would have sought an indictment already. I think the reason they are not seeking an indictment is because Casey would invoke her right to a speedy trial, and not enough evidence would be able to be found and survive into the trial, and that the prosecutor would not make the murder case.

[Roux]

Agree with you. Especially whe he said the Anthony's appreciate all who are looking and the media attention even if they diagree If that were true i don't think they would be calling people maggots and parasites etc. I don't like when people speak out both sides of their mouth with a forked tongue. IMO

Yes, I so wanted that reporter to come right out and ask him about Cindy's comments, especially about Tim, but also all the other ridiculous things she has said over the past few weeks.

[msjoni]

Yes it does. George and Cindy have thrown little Caylee to the wind in their defense of their sociopathic daughter. JMO

I agree with you.... I feel Cindy and George are betraying Caylee.

[forpsystudent]

It is also my opinion that it would be admitted as evidence. I think some people here don't understand the word precedent. :shrug:


Thank you.
Gatekeeper isn't well understood either IMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Do we know how many times they have met with NeJame? I only knew about the one time she went last week, just before the 20/20 program aired. NeJame says they cry every time he talks to them?

Thats the only time I have heard also, they may be crying but I doubt those tears are for Caylee. JMO.

[Cury-us Coyote]

The article your quote was addressing was written in 2004. It is but one of several, the latest published in the March 2008 issue of the Journal of Forensic Science. I won't go through the trouble of enumerating the evidentiary hurdles all the Body Farm research would have to clear to be admitted in court. No one would read it anyway. IMO it would be admitted as evidence. 'Nuff said.


Please send the link. I would definitely like to read an updated JFS article and appreciate your opinion. TIA

[Rebel Rouzer]

Yes, I so wanted that reporter to come right out and ask him about Cindy's comments, especially about Tim, but also all the other ridiculous things she has said over the past few weeks.
Me too. Maybe another reporter will ask those questions in the future. We can only hope.

[Kathlb]

Thank you.
Gatekeeper isn't well understood either IMO.

I definitely understand precedent, but Gatekeeper in this context...no.
Can you explain please. Thanks!

[Mandysmom]

See, that's the thing.

We don't know that there were searches on the computer for that at all. That's just a rumor that was on Nancy Grace.

As for producing chloroform, you have to understand, there's a difference between producing pure chloroform that can be used for medical purposes, and producing chloroform that would register on the test they use to detect it.

Bleach and luminol could likely give a false positive for chloroform, depending on what test the CSI tech used. It's VERY easy to contaminate a scene with some of the equipment they have.

This is why, as I said before, it's likely that many of these leaks are not true. They're just trying to get their prime suspect to slip up.How much more can they get her to slip up?

She's lied about everything under the sun from the first day of questioning. I'm pretty sure the FBI lab knows all the many ways chloroform can be made and how it can be detected.

Let's get real here. If Zenaida and Samantha took Caylee and the Anthony family have had people "watching" them or the other suspected kidnappers, why hasn't anything developed at all?

If Casey had a "script" to follow for 30 days, then she fulfilled her mission, now she can tell the truth. The 30 days is up.

Instead of getting money together for Casey's defense, why haven't they used the said funds for hiring private detectives to find Caylee?

Using common sense, the only reason I can think of is that they don't want her found now. That would only be damning to Casey. They have circled the wagons and are hitting the message boards and airwaves throwing out these "could haves, would haves, should haves, might bes, could bes, to the extent of no logic at all.

Just pure nonsensical b.s. imo.

[day2day]

Agree with you. Especially whe he said the Anthony's appreciate all who are looking and the media attention even if they diagree If that were true i don't think they would be calling people maggots and parasites etc. I don't like when people speak out both sides of their mouth with a forked tongue. IMO

I don't think the Anthony's realize just how flippin lucky they really are. First ..how many parents of missing children would give up everything they own for a couple nights of THEIR child being "featured" on Nancy Grace. How many families of missing childen would give ANYTHING for Tim Miller and TES to come and HELP THEM search for their child.

Instead of praising them and thanking God for their help in finding Caylee-they choose to "name-call" and even go as far as to send NASTY emails about Tim.

Instead of searching for precious Caylee-they are out shopping for an attorney to protect their name. Amazing...

I just hope that if by some slim chance that Caylee is found alive...that the State of Florida finds a NEW FAMILY for her..one who truly loves her and cares for her. She deserves that much.

JMO

[Rebel Rouzer]

How much more can they get her to slip up?

She's lied about everything under the sun from the first day of questioning. I'm pretty sure the FBI lab knows all the many ways chloroform can be made and how it can be detected.

Let's get real here. If Zenaida and Samantha took Caylee and the Anthony family have had people "watching" them or the other suspected kidnappers, why hasn't anything developed at all?

If Casey had a "script" to follow for 30 days, then she fulfilled her mission, now she can tell the truth. The 30 days is up.

Instead of getting money together for Casey's defense, why haven't they used the said funds for hiring private detectives to find Caylee?

Using common sense, the only reason I can think of is that they don't want her found now. That would only be damning to Casey. They have circled the wagons and are hitting the message boards and airwaves throwing out these "could haves, would haves, should haves, might bes, could bes, to the extent of no logic at all.

Just pure nonsensical b.s. imo.

IMO the ONLY script Casey got for 30 days were medication scripts. IMO

[ginky41]

I don't think the Anthony's realize just how flippin lucky they really are. First ..how many parents of missing children would give up everything they own for a couple nights of THEIR child being "featured" on Nancy Grace. How many families of missing childen would give ANYTHING for Tim Miller and TES to come and HELP THEM search for their child.

Instead of praising them and thanking God for their help in finding Caylee-they choose to "name-call" and even go as far as to send NASTY emails about Tim.

Instead of searching for precious Caylee-they are out shopping for an attorney to protect their name. Amazing...

I just hope that if by some slim chance that Caylee is found alive...that the State of Florida finds a NEW FAMILY for her..one who truly loves her and cares for her. She deserves that much.

JMO

Amen to that day! :beer:

[WinnieLeigh7]

Thank you! :) If we don't know where George was with the car, I'm afraid Caylee may have been in the car inside where the spare tire would be kept. Under the carpeting in the trunk. That could explain why George was wiling to tell LE he checked the backyard. Probably trying to throw off LE. George may be looking at charges himself down the road a bit. JMO



I agree and have stated numerous times previously, that's exactly what I think the 'hole' is in the investigation.

Not that they don't have enough evidence to know Caylee is dead

But they can't pinpoint exactly WHO was in the car, WHO did really see her last, and WHO was she with, WHO is responsible for her death and WHO has disposed of her. (and that's not necessarily one person or the same person for all those 'who's')

That's what they can't make concrete in the court I'm afraid and that's why they are trying to build the case, make it stronger, get to the bottom of the lies and eliminate that 'reasonable doubt'

MOO, Always

[hamebone]

I watched the interview NeJame gave the local orlando station, posted by kakax on the links thread. It was totally ineffectual IMO and I don't think they've gotten their monies worth from him so far. Did not see Today appearance.

I understood some of what he had to say.

Like it being hard for them to let go of hope.

But he said some stuff that was wrong, like CA & GA appreciations of those searching for the body of Caylee.

I didnt get the impression from Cindy when she called into NG, she liked it at all.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I don't think the Anthony's realize just how flippin lucky they really are. First ..how many parents of missing children would give up everything they own for a couple nights of THEIR child being "featured" on Nancy Grace. How many families of missing childen would give ANYTHING for Tim Miller and TES to come and HELP THEM search for their child.

Instead of praising them and thanking God for their help in finding Caylee-they choose to "name-call" and even go as far as to send NASTY emails about Tim.

Instead of searching for precious Caylee-they are out shopping for an attorney to protect their name. Amazing...

I just hope that if by some slim chance that Caylee is found alive...that the State of Florida finds a NEW FAMILY for her..one who truly loves her and cares for her. She deserves that much.

JMO


Agree. Amazing isn't even describing it well enough but for lack of a better word. I do agree.

[redcard]

How much more can they get her to slip up?

She's lied about everything under the sun from the first day of questioning.

They need to get her to slip up and admit something factual or something that they can use against her.

Simply lying is not evidence that she killed Caylee. Yes, it's circumstantial, and it'll inflame a jury to hell and back, but this case never gets to trial without evidence that Caylee is 1) dead, and 2) that Casey did it.

We can argue all day about how much we "think" she did it. We can discuss that she's a liar and a horrible person, and you'll get zero disagreement from me on that.

But..

We need her to mess up and to give up something that can be used. Right now, all they really have her on is lying to investigators. That's serious, but, a liar does not mean a murderer. There must be evidence of the murder.

[kakax]

Mark Nejame on Today show

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/26639848#26639848

[AlohaRainbow]

Ok, does Chloroform bleach fabric?
*snip*
hmmm.... had to google a bit, but from this article, it doesn't seem that chloroform by itself bleaches fabric (i could be wrong of course!)

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Bleaching-agent
:read:

[Roux]

He touched on that in the interview when stating the fact that George & Cindy do not believe that Caylee is dead, therefore, cannot support anything that goes to that theory.


But he fell far short of offering an apology, or really even an excuse, for Cindy's reprehensible comments about Tim Miller.

[day2day]

Amen to that day! :beer:
:seeya: ginky!!

[ginky41]

I see there's not much new today? Darn. :mad:

[kitty1182]

I understood some of what he had to say.

Like it being hard for them to let go of hope.

But he said some stuff that was wrong, like CA & GA appreciations of those searching for the body of Caylee.

I didnt get the impression from Cindy when she called into NG, she liked it at all.

That's the impression I got also..

[shelbar53]

I cant imagine just about the entire country saying such bad thoughts about me. I get upset if one person says anything bad about me. To go out in public and having horrible things being screamed at you or just written about all over the internet would give me a nervous breakdown...I would crack and spill the beans on my daughter , or just wait for the 1.5 mill...change my name and move away and live happily ever after.....NOT

[tisamystery]

Just a thought . . . is it possible Casey's parents are "behind her" because they're scared of her?

Think about it. If you believe your daughter, who you already think is a sociopath, has murdered her child, are you going to go against her or challenge her when she's staying in your house with you? Would you be concerned that she might come after you in the middle of the night?

[beemeup]

I don't think the Anthony's realize just how flippin lucky they really are. First ..how many parents of missing children would give up everything they own for a couple nights of THEIR child being "featured" on Nancy Grace. How many families of missing childen would give ANYTHING for Tim Miller and TES to come and HELP THEM search for their child.

Instead of praising them and thanking God for their help in finding Caylee-they choose to "name-call" and even go as far as to send NASTY emails about Tim.

Instead of searching for precious Caylee-they are out shopping for an attorney to protect their name. Amazing...

I just hope that if by some slim chance that Caylee is found alive...that the State of Florida finds a NEW FAMILY for her..one who truly loves her and cares for her. She deserves that much.

JMO
Great post-I think this is how most of us feel. they have not even adressed any of the logical questions. What makes me so MAD is the LE time they are tying up and good folk like Tim's team who need to be out searching elsewhere. And the folk here who gave up there blessed time away from their own families. All any of us want is to find Caylee. We are waiting with baited breath to see such a sign from the family. For Cindy to say We need to get off our asses and search???? And what the he.. have u done other than coddle your little family socio. Is it guilt parenting that could make a grandparent overlook a grandchild. This case just defies all logic.:rose: For Caylee

[BrownEyedF]

Although I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's disappearance, the chloroform being used to knock Caylee out while her mother partied seems so far fetched. I agree with other posters who have wondered why not benadryl or Nyquil. Chloroform does not make sense to me at all. Although I have heard Dr. Baden and others speak of cases with chloroform, it sounds to me like it is something very rare. I am not saying it didn't happen, I am saying there is something about this particular fact that doesn't sit well with me. It would be easier for me to accept that she used it in a murder, more than I would be willing to accept that she used it to sedate Caylee while she partied.

My gut feeling is that she did something intentionally to that baby. However, I am putting myself on a jury here based on all I have read and watched (extensively), and I don't think it can be proven yet. I think that they have ample evidence that she is dead, but the DA is not sure what he can charge her with. I think they are waiting until they have the big picture so they know what her exact role was. They probably will not be too hasty to file charges since she is already facing charges which could potentially have her behind bars for years.

In this day and age with news being on the 24-hour cycle and Google at your fingertips, people want results fast. I WANT the results fast. I just don't think LE is willing to do a rush job to satisfy the public's need for vengeance at the risk of making a mistake that would result in her never being charged.

All JMO. I have enjoyed lurking on this board. Thanks for all the posts!!

[tiny paw-prints]

Thank you! :) If we don't know where George was with the car, I'm afraid Caylee may have been in the car inside where the spare tire would be kept. Under the carpeting in the trunk. That could explain why George was wiling to tell LE he checked the backyard. Probably trying to throw off LE. George may be looking at charges himself down the road a bit. JMO


There was sufficient time between the 2nd and 3rd 911 calls to dispose of a body and IIRC, that's when the cleaning took place.

Was the Pontiac's spare "donut" tire missing?

[tisamystery]

Although I believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's disappearance, the chloroform being used to knock Caylee out while her mother partied seems so far fetched. I agree with other posters who have wondered why not benadryl or Nyquil. SNIPPED

You make a good point but remember some kids have an opposite reaction to Benadryl and Nyquil.

[AlohaRainbow]

From anything i have seen on the Body farm it has been held in high esteem. Anybody catch any of the shows on Discovery channel???
ita about the body farm being held in esteem.

about a week ago i saw a show on a&e (modern marvels:corpse tech) which featured the body farm in one of its segments... they described and showed how they determined which decomp gases were produced by *human* cadavers.

they placed 'venting' type tubes and pipes in the ground at varying depths directly over a buried human cadaver, and collected and analyzed the various gaseous compounds that were given off.

[st777jo]

The comparisons he made to families of MIA soldiers was particularly inappropriate. And to keep harping on the fact that G & C want to protect and believe their daughter only reinforces what most of the public already think.


Exactly what I thought. Comparing MIA to the Anthony's, is horrendous, IMO.

As for having compassion for G & C, not when Cindy has complained about LE, people getting off their a$$es, and so on. I don't blame them for having hope, but behaving the way they do, turns me off.

[forpsystudent]

Please send the link. I would definitely like to read an updated JFS article and appreciate your opinion. TIA



I have a link to my school library and the article itself contains a reference to an online site. I'm pretty sure the online site would cost money. Back when I mentioned this the first time I spoke of my concern about TOS and copyright laws and asked the board what options, if any, I had for posting a link. I figured posting a link to a college library was out so I asked about the online site and never heard a word. If my not receiving a response to my post was atypical I would have been more persistent but since I can count the number of responses to my posts on one hand I let it go. Under the circumstances there isn't any point in my being banned for TOS.

[Pooh]

Does anyone know if Dr. Kobi (as Nancy Grace calls him) has ever said whether or not chloroform is detectable after death if a body is recovered? Is it one of those chemicals that "sticks around"? Anyone know?

[kakax]

Nancy Grace Field Producers give first-hand accounts of the search for missing tot Caylee Anthony. Check here for frequent updates as producers blog live from the scene.

Orlando, Florida -- Wednesday - September 10, 2008

1:28 PM ET - Spoke to Deputy Padilla to confirm UCF search and to get Sheriff Beary's thoughts on possible million dollar deal when police have used countless resources and dollars to find Caylee. (From Natisha Lance, Nancy Grace Field Producer)


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/index.html

[Velouria]

ITA with your post Mandysmom, and the following in particular:



Instead of getting money together for Casey's defense, why haven't they used the said funds for hiring private detectives to find Caylee?

Using common sense, the only reason I can think of is that they don't want her found now. That would only be damning to Casey. They have circled the wagons and are hitting the message boards and airwaves throwing out these "could haves, would haves, should haves, might bes, could bes, to the extent of no logic at all.

Just pure nonsensical b.s. imo.

I've said the very same thing about hiring private investigators. I thought that was precisely the type of thing Caylee's Trust was intended for - the search for Caylee. Not for bailing out the very person who betrayed her the most.

I find it very telling that they're taking the time to print out message boards. If there ever was a script, it's being written NOW, based on whatever bits of theory and evidence they know is weighing against Casey, and it's constantly changing.

[KimD]

Quote:Originally Posted by msgatorslayer
I'm not much of a dreamer at all. But Mr.Gator, he dreams just about ever time he sleeps and he has some weird ones, lol.

Anyway, he took a nap yesterday and woke up saying he had a dream about 'that girl' - he was talking about Caylee.

Said her body was by a fence at a church. First time he ever had a dream about a case I was following.

***********************************

While following this case from the beginning, I've observed several reasons why I think it would be a good idea to search around a church.

Does anyone know which church the Anthony family attends. Have any of them avoided going to the church?

So weird... I posted a few days ago about a dream I had in which Caylee was found behind a church. I'm certainly not a psychic and I'm sure it was nothing but I just could not get it out of my head. I found a church less then a mile from the Anthony home and the surroundings looked like what I pictured in my dream. I actually emailed the blogger who was requesting areas to search. I'm not sure if he actually did but I tried. Again, I don't want to sound like a wacko but just figured I would mention it. Here's the church I found:

St Issac Jogues Catholic Church‎
4301 S Chickasaw Trail

[Hey Paula]

The article your quote was addressing was written in 2004. It is but one of several, the latest published in the March 2008 issue of the Journal of Forensic Science. I won't go through the trouble of enumerating the evidentiary hurdles all the Body Farm research would have to clear to be admitted in court. No one would read it anyway. IMO it would be admitted as evidence. 'Nuff said.

Hi Forpsy!

Although I'm not in any related field to render a professional opinion in this matter, it does seem logical to me that this would pose evidentiary problems if such info were to be used as key evidence. However, do you think it might have a place if played in a corroboratory role, (e.g., in conjunction with CE, cadaver dogs, etc) absent of finding a victim's remains?

[tisamystery]

Does anyone know if Dr. Kobi (as Nancy Grace calls him) has ever said whether or not chloroform is detectable after death if a body is recovered? Is it one of those chemicals that "sticks around"? Anyone know?

I believe she asked him that yesterday and he said probably not detectable. I could be wrong, though.

[5boxersmom]

Has it been said what was printed off from WS?

Caylee:rose: