Caylee Anthony 09-10-08 A.M thread

[Joan Weiss]

A lot has been speculated about the "huge" amounts of chloroform...first of all, i don't know how strong the smell is....dr. koby said it dissipates (sp) quickly...but i think for many the point was, how would the flies survive....therefore, thinking, the chloroform came after the flies...

i'm still trying to figure out about your grandma's pot...kinda like when you have flour sitting around in room temperature...and those little eggs hatch that were there all along...and you end up with little bugs...God i hate that!Yeh, I was horrified. Never kept bacon grease in my own home. Grandma couldn't explain it either. She'd been doing that all her life.

I do think we don't know enough about flies to deny the chloroform being initially in the car. imo

[OneUp]

How does that explain that flies flew out of the trunk when opened by George and the impound owner? Are flies impervious to the smell of chloroform? :shrug:Did you read my post?
The Chloroform is HEAVIER than the air...it "lays" on the lower part of the airpocket. In the upper areas, there is fresh air. The only way the choloroform would be all through the trunks air is if it was a rather large concentration ( it may have been...we just don't know either way) and the trunk was air tight. Trunks are snug, but never totally airtight AFAIK ( I do recall hearing of people smothering in a trunk though, so who knows about the airtightness? maybe it makes a differeence the type of car?).
Maybe someone else can explain more clearly than I...sometimes it seems my explanations must not be as clear to others as they seem to me.

[Loves2Read]

They're not human beings. I don't know how their bodies work. Maybe we should wait for more info. If a person is chloroformed and dies, do the flies not lay eggs on the chloroformed body? :confused: imo

Here is what I think about the chloroform in the trunk. I believe that when the trunk was first opened there was no chloroform present. (this is because when I was in school we used chloroform to preserve insects for study and yes it does kill flies and their larvae) IMO someone at the Anthony house used some chloroform, that maybe they found in the car, to kill any remaining larvae. That could be why it was so concentrated in that trunk.

[SavannahStar]

HOw do you see that as telling other posters what to do? It gave contact information and what that poster did - it was hardly an order.:rolleyes:

I am SO over this now, but to answer your question, IIRC the post began with "Contact............." There was no "I'm going to contact __________ because ____________.......others could do that also...here is the info........"

*If you read further than that, the poster said he/she did not mean to offend, and I answered that I did not mean to offend, and hope that he/she continues to post.*

[Velouria]

Many years ago I had a friend who was dating a huge loser who would talk a bunch of crazy stuff while intoxicated. Once he told me if I ever wanted to destroy a body, to use Bar lime. Now, I am never going to kill anyone, but I remember that because it was so weird. All I am saying is maybe somewhere along the way she heard a story about chloroform degrading evidence, she had dated a cop, maybe she heard stuff, I know I am stretching believe me, believe me, lol. I just like to think of all possible possibilities.


I understand the Devil's Advocate approach, but seriously Ciao Bella, that isn't a stretch, that's a streeeeeeetch. :)

And either way, I think you'd have to agree, it implicates Casey in nefarious activity.

If she or her parents had in fact used chloroform to clean the trunk, why wouldn't they have taken the time to get rid of the stain on the floorboard that was sampled for testing? Carpeting can be removed, after all.

[dixielover]

I wonder if she was worried that George might slip up, and reveal something.:shrug:

I still think that GA was involved with disposing of the body - that is probably why he is going to end up in a mental facility because of the guilt. He is already cracking. Maybe, that is why Casey keeps saying the she does not know where Casey is- somebody else got rid of her. I hope she is around Orlando but I think she in another state. jmo

[summer4meplz]

Okay can someone tell me how many days before LE picked up Casey's car from the Anthony's?

What I find strange is that (can not remember where I read this or watched) the night 911 was called..when Lee arrived at the A's, Casey's car was parked at the curb. When LE arrived later it was parked in the garage. Why would they move it?


to get it into the garage so they could do a thorough cleaning?:shrug:

[Jpanda]

goodness that must be some scary park...is that where the jogger was killed too?

Oh no, I'm sorry, my post wasn't clear - the park Stephen Grant was referring to was a completely different one, not J Blanchard. I was just saying how I feel like when these suspects continue to mention the same places in their interviews, often times that is where the evidence can be found.

Sorry for the confusion!

jmo

[summer4meplz]

I understand the Devil's Advocate approach, but seriously Ciao Bella, that isn't a stretch, that's a streeeeeeetch. :)

And either way, I think you'd have to agree, it implicates Casey in nefarious activity.

If she or her parents had in fact used chloroform to clean the trunk, why wouldn't they have taken the time to get rid of the stain on the floorboard that was sampled for testing? Carpeting can be removed, after all.

how can one use chloroform as a cleaner and not knock themself out?

[cutiepatootie61]

to get it into the garage so they could do a thorough cleaning?:shrug:

very possible, makes perfect sense.

[joolz]

Yeh, I was horrified. Never kept bacon grease in my own home. Grandma couldn't explain it either. She'd been doing that all her life.

I do think we don't know enough about flies to deny the chloroform being initially in the car. imo


Sorry if this is a little OT, but what does bacon grease have to do with flour and things that hatch in it(ugh!)? :confused:

[WinnieLeigh7]

I am rewatching George testify at the bond hearing. Casey is quite emotional when she sees him, she begins crying before he even speaks. How can she be moved to tears here looking at her dad, and yet we have not seen one bit of emotion from her regarding a missing Caylee? if you can stand to watch this once again, what does anyone think of this?

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7038761&version=1&locale=EN-US


:shrug: Daddy's lil' girl trying to pull at his heartstrings??

I haven't heard his testimony, can't here at work...is there a transcript of it?


Still, don't understand the statement that friends have said Casey said, stating that she 'hated her father' either.

Seems so obvious that her hatred lied with her mother, not father.

Just haven't made sense of that one yet either...
though I haven't made 'sense' of much surrounding this situation.

[Joan Weiss]

Okay can someone tell me how many days before LE picked up Casey's car from the Anthony's?

What I find strange is that (can not remember where I read this or watched) the night 911 was called..when Lee arrived at the A's, Casey's car was parked at the curb. When LE arrived later it was parked in the garage. Why would they move it?They were emptying it, and maybe cleaning it. That's when Cindy found Amy's resume in the car, and called her. I wonder if, in all those tests, they could/did find evidence of cleaning. Strange that LEE said it was at the curb when he arrived, seems to me he'd know why it was in the garage. Since he was there during the 911 calls, he'd be present when it was moved. Why didn't he say why it was moved? imo

[happy2bme]

Here is what I think about the chloroform in the trunk. I believe that when the trunk was first opened there was no chloroform present. (this is because when I was in school we used chloroform to preserve insects for study and yes it does kill flies and their larvae) IMO someone at the Anthony house used some chloroform, that maybe they found in the car, to kill any remaining larvae. That could be why it was so concentrated in that trunk.


Why was Chloroform googled on Casey's laptop?

[AnnInOhio]

maybe that's how she always controlled him....with her tears...


I think in Casey's fantasy mind she blames CA and GA for Caylee's death, as in "they MADE me do this" because they were threatening to take custody of Caylee from her and she couldn't let them "win".

[greylover]

Yes, Caylee is a throw away child for Casey, that can be replaced in the future if she decides to have another. God forbid.

We are in complete agreement with this - just have another one in the future, no problem, no harm, no foul. yuck.


jmo

[joolz]

I am SO over this now, but to answer your question, IIRC the post began with "Contact............." There was no "I'm going to contact __________ because ____________.......others could do that also...here is the info........"

*If you read further than that, the poster said he/she did not mean to offend, and I answered that I did not mean to offend, and hope that he/she continues to post.*


And I'm SO glad you are over it. :rolleyes: If you read further than that, you'll see the poster also said he/she is going back to lurking. Happy?

How about getting back on topic now?

[cutiepatootie61]

:shrug: Daddy's lil' girl trying to pull at his heartstrings??

I haven't heard his testimony, can't here at work...is there a transcript of it?


Still, don't understand the statement that friends have said Casey said, stating that she 'hated her father' either.

Seems so obvious that her hatred lied with her mother, not father.

Just haven't made sense of that one yet either...
though I haven't made 'sense' of much surrounding this situation.


Sorry, I only know of video links, no transcripts to the testimonies of the hearing that I know of.

[jbellaj]

Is there ANYONE here that would PAY to watch the Anthony's story on PAY PER VIEW?

Not me................:flamemad:

[summer4meplz]

I think in Casey's fantasy mind she blames CA and GA for Caylee's death, as in "they MADE me do this" because they were threatening to take custody of Caylee from her and she couldn't let them "win".

ita...that's why casey said twice,,,,it's not MY fault

[evalles]

Help me out - I'm getting old and my hearing isn't what it used to be. What I hear Cindy saying is "Cause my next thing will be down the child thing and we’ll have a court order together if that’s the way you want to play we’ll do it and you’ll never..."
and does Casey say "That’s not the way I wanted to do it"?

Wanted??? Did Casey say "want" or "wanted"???

If it's "wanted", I think we have our motive.

I listened again and I heard want. That's one thing that's stuck with me throughout this case. From what I've read and heard, Casey has never referred to Caylee in the past tense. I don't think the Anthony's have either.

[Velouria]

how can one use chloroform as a cleaner and not knock themself out?

LOL

Good point, summer. Although that just might explain some of their hinky behavior - catching those fumes.

[Joan Weiss]

Okay can someone tell me how many days before LE picked up Casey's car from the Anthony's?

What I find strange is that (can not remember where I read this or watched) the night 911 was called..when Lee arrived at the A's, Casey's car was parked at the curb. When LE arrived later it was parked in the garage. Why would they move it?Oh, sorry, I was trying to edit my reply to your question, but can't figure out the edit thing.

The car was picked up by LE the morning after the 911 calls.

[happy2bme]

They were emptying it, and maybe cleaning it. That's when Cindy found Amy's resume in the car, and called her. I wonder if, in all those tests, they could/did find evidence of cleaning. Strange that LEE said it was at the curb when he arrived, seems to me he'd know why it was in the garage. Since he was there during the 911 calls, he'd be present when it was moved. Why didn't he say why it was moved? imo


Do we know if Lee is actually the one who reported it? Did Lee arrive at the Anthony's before or after they found Casey? If came after then we can throw that's when she found the resume. She found Amy's resume and that is how she found Casey...right?

[MyrDawn]

Why was Chloroform googled on Casey's laptop?

That's something only Casey can answer, but don't expect her to tell the truth about it.

[summer4meplz]

was a Nate living with TonE and Clint, why no police interview? I think Clint & Nate are one in the same, and Clint said Casey took Caylee home to grandma at night and Nate says the nanny, someone must be lying. to many player to many lies, you don't know who to believe,
and i sure don't believe the Anthony's stories.


we don't know that there isn't a police interview...they haven't released everyones....and i do seem to vaguely remember a mention of there being more than one extra roommate at tony's...i'm sure nancy would not have him on unless it was verified that he is who he says he is....moo

[jbellaj]

wow could things get any stranger than this case?


I couldn't get the video to play...in short what does it say? TIA

[happy2bme]

Oh, sorry, I was trying to edit my reply to your question, but can't figure out the edit thing.

The car was picked up by LE the morning after the 911 calls.

Wasn't LE there pretty much all night? I think they moved it to clean also.

[SavannahStar]

And I'm SO glad you are over it. :rolleyes: If you read further than that, you'll see the poster also said he/she is going back to lurking. Happy?

How about getting back on topic now?

Use your own advice. TIA.

[Joan Weiss]

Sorry if this is a little OT, but what does bacon grease have to do with flour and things that hatch in it(ugh!)? :confused:We're exploring maggots, and how they could hatch in the trunk in a garbage bag. Have you been following along?

[greylover]

Originally Posted by summer4meplz
goodness that must be some scary park...is that where the jogger was killed too?


Yes - that is true. A jogger was murdered there late Spring (I believe).

jmo

[Joan Weiss]

Wasn't LE there pretty much all night? I think they moved it to clean also.They responded to the 911 calls, but didn't seize the car until the next morning. Maybe they needed to get a search warrant. imo

[FrankieBones1]

A woman in California says that Gail St. John charged too much money to her account. The police are investigation. I remember this St. John woman/psychic on Nancy Grace's show. Had a bad feeling about it and now I know why.
http://www.wftv.com/video/17432761/index.html

[Ladyhawk]

Here is what I think about the chloroform in the trunk. I believe that when the trunk was first opened there was no chloroform present. (this is because when I was in school we used chloroform to preserve insects for study and yes it does kill flies and their larvae) IMO someone at the Anthony house used some chloroform, that maybe they found in the car, to kill any remaining larvae. That could be why it was so concentrated in that trunk.

Good post Loves2Read....I thought the same thing myself. Someone at the Anthony's home (not saying who) found the chloroform in the car and wiped the carpet with it in hopes of killing any insect eggs that might be there IMO. We don't really know exactly what was found in the car....all we know is what C & G say was in the car.

[joolz]

We're exploring maggots, and how they could hatch in the trunk in a garbage bag. Have you been following along?


As much as I can without being here every minute. It was just a question, sorry if I put you out.

[AnnInOhio]

I listened again and I heard want. That's one thing that's stuck with me throughout this case. From what I've read and heard, Casey has never referred to Caylee in the past tense. I don't think the Anthony's have either.

Thanks! Don't you think it's a little odd though that they never speak in past tense, since she's been missing for so long? I mean at some point you naturally have to change to past tense simply because of the passage of time. Are they making an intentional effort to always speak in the present tense?

[Joan Weiss]

Sometimes you can get into a locked door using a butter knife. I have a nice set of 'womens tools' and still go for the butter knife for a screwdriver. Have been known to bang a nail or two in the wall w/ the handle of one too. Maybe she got into somewhere she wasn't supposed to be w/ that knife. I don't think it was because she was feeding Caylee peanut butter sandwiches in the car,I carry plastic silverware for snacks in the car. I don't think the dinnerware knife is a big deal. imo

[Laurieann]

has this been posted yet?

http://community.myfoxorlando.com/blogs/WOFL/2008/08/04/The_Search_for_Caylee_Anthony?page_no=2140



this is a guy who says he was in the search and is discussing what they think they found.
He was answering q's .
Look for the poster named JUSTICE4CAYLEE

[cutiepatootie61]

Oh, sorry, I was trying to edit my reply to your question, but can't figure out the edit thing.

The car was picked up by LE the morning after the 911 calls.

George signed a statement giving permission for LE to take car and search it at 9:30 PM on July 16. Maybe they took it earlier, but I've not seen that.



Pg. 39 George states the Police took car on July 16, at 9:30 PM.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

[Joan Weiss]

As much as I can without being here every minute. It was just a question, sorry if I put you out.Geeze, I just responded to your question. Why would I be put out? :confused:

[kOOkie1]

..my mind is wandering ..The pants that Cindy washed from the car were they dress slacks?? sigh..this whole thing is a mess and makes my head spin. :rolleyes:

[summer4meplz]

Sorry, meant it as a suggestion, really--just was in too big of hurry!
I should have read it before I posted. I did not mean to offend anyone--guess I am just so offended by the whole Anthony circus.

Again, I am sorry that I offended anyone---will go back to lurking.

i'm trying to catch up....today i started with the last page but i have missed the beginning so i'm going back and starting with page 5...i certainly didn't take offense and was glad for the link....i agree about contacting nbc....i really think since our barrage at nancy grace last week,,,,she is not being as rude to her guests....some of them almost get to finish their sentences now...and she was so kind and gentle to Tim...even getting into his own loss the other night..by ourself no one cares...but as a group...they seem to listen...

[Rebel Rouzer]

Info on flies and chloroform
http://www.journalarchive.jst.go.jp/english/jnlabstract_en.php?cdjournal=ggs1921&cdvol=54&noissue=4&startpage=229

Not sure this is relevant to the discussion of flies and chloroform. If it doesn't anser anyones questions. Please ignore. lol

[happy2bme]

They responded to the 911 calls, but didn't seize the car until the next morning. Maybe they needed to get a search warrant. imo


Thanks for helping me out Joan. It's hard to keep all this mess straight.

[MyrDawn]

I carry plastic silverware for snacks in the car. I don't think the dinnerware knife is a big deal. imo

I don't think it's a big deal, either. A sharp knife would be more suspicious, but even then, not exactly a smoking gun unless it had Caylees blood on it. And, why would she leave a bloody knife in the car if she'd used it to kill Caylee. Or, why would she use it, then wash it, then take it back to the car?

[Pruddennce]

Actually, Chloroform is heavier than air. It is quite possible that if the air in the trunk/car was fairly undisturbed ( as it would be sitting in a tow yard for 15 days) that there was plenty of fresh air for the flies to survive with. trunks are not totally airtight either. ( I ran this theory past my uncle ( Jimmy Lish) who is a Physiology/Biology professor for O.S.U., he said it is very possible and had lots of other technical tidbits for me that I should have written down. I'm no so ggod with scientific terminology! I tried to get him to post and do some Q & A about some of the chlororform issues, but he basically told me to get real! LOL).
AFAIK, no statement has been made factually giving the exact level of Chloroform found. Nancy is prone to hyperbole, and it seems every other person has their own version of how much was found. Significant amounts doesn't necessarily mean cups full...it may mean clinically sig. amounts...micrograms,etc. The exact amount is definitely a factor in the equasion.
JMO.

your post is extremely informative, you dont need any of those technical terms...lol....I agree with it based on some limited research on the web about insect activity relating to pesticides (kind of veared off with my reading, but came across that as well).....most experiments, or use of it were done in controlled environments, airtight containers, dishes, etc. along with varying amounts.

you are correct..trunks are not airtight and there has not been substantiation outright as to the 'quality' of the air in the trunk, other than there was a level of vapor...which is...as you state UNKNOWN.

the vapor is odorless.....but Nancy tends to over indulge in drama concerning the vapor as if it smelled and formed a cloud. lol

I too cant articulate here what I read, but I 'kind of' understood a little bit about the experiments on the lifecyle of flies and such...chloroform as a use for killing germs during wartime, lice, etc...but even under controlled circumstances, with different levels, some insects did not die, just ceased to reproduce.

too much science talk with the TH's and not enough information to substantiate their musings as to what the air quality was measured to be.

I still tend to think that it was not a purchased item, rather was derived from other chemicals or a mix of things, mainly pool chemicals.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Rebel Rouzer]

..my mind is wandering ..The pants that Cindy washed from the car were they dress slacks?? sigh..this whole thing is a mess and makes my head spin. :rolleyes:


I've seen Casey in nothing but shorts. I'm wondering why she had been wearing pants in June as hot as it is during that month? :shrug:

[Chillin]

That's something only Casey can answer, but don't expect her to tell the truth about it.

LE can answer that too.

[Loves2Read]

Why was Chloroform googled on Casey's laptop?

It would stand to reason that if it was already in the car (as I said in my original post) someone had to have put it there.... maybe the person that had the car until it was abandoned? That person might have looked it up.

[AnnInOhio]

Good post Loves2Read....I thought the same thing myself. Someone at the Anthony's home (not saying who) found the chloroform in the car and wiped the carpet with it in hopes of killing any insect eggs that might be there IMO. We don't really know exactly what was found in the car....all we know is what C & G say was in the car.

Here's a thought: couldnt it work both ways? Say the Anthony family typically uses chloroform as a cleaner. That's how Casey got hold of it. CA & GA find it in the car they'd refer to it as a "cleaner" and clean the spot in the trunk with it. Casey, however, could have used it on Caylee for another purpose. That said, if the Anthony's typically use it as a cleaner where's the bottle? Why would they hide it and not mention it? And, if the house was searched, wouldn't there be areas in the home or garage with chloroform residue if they used it as a cleaner - they wouldn't have purchased it just in case a dead body turns up in a trunk some day, would they?

[dreamtime]

I've never understood why they bothered to make note of the dinner knife, and why it's always referred to as "a washed knife." If it were a butcher's knife, or a filet knife, that would be different, imo.
Hate to say this, because it probably reflects on my housekeeping skills, but I have several things in my car that are not normally found in a car. Don't think I have a dinner knife, but I do tend to grab a knife occasionally when I really should use a screwdriver. And yes, it would be a "washed" dinner knife. There must be a reason..... that's the kind of thing I always look forward to hearing during a trial, when the evidence starts coming together.

========================
Cindy found the knife and washed it. Cindy found the gray pants and washed them also.

[trt]

I've seen Casey in nothing but shorts. I'm wondering why she had been wearing pants in June as hot as it is during that month? :shrug:



I'm thinking she was still trying to keep up the *I'm an event planner* facade...maybe mom and dad would have asked some questions if she would have been leaving the house in shorts and a t-shirt. JMO

[AnnInOhio]

It would stand to reason that if it was already in the car (as I said in my original post) someone had to have put it there.... maybe the person that had the car until it was abandoned? That person might have looked it up.

Refresh my memory...has there been a date released on WHEN the searches about chloroform were done on the computer?

[msjoni]

I think in Casey's fantasy mind she blames CA and GA for Caylee's death, as in "they MADE me do this" because they were threatening to take custody of Caylee from her and she couldn't let them "win".

I agree with you, sociopaths never admit to wrongdoing, its always someone else's fault. moo

[SavannahStar]

I carry plastic silverware for snacks in the car. I don't think the dinnerware knife is a big deal. imo

I don't either Joan. Not at all.

[trt]

Here's a thought: couldnt it work both ways? Say the Anthony family typically uses chloroform as a cleaner. That's how Casey got hold of it. CA & GA find it in the car they'd refer to it as a "cleaner" and clean the spot in the trunk with it. Casey, however, could have used it on Caylee for another purpose. That said, if the Anthony's typically use it as a cleaner where's the bottle? Why would they hide it and not mention it? And, if the house was searched, wouldn't there be areas in the home or garage with chloroform residue if they used it as a cleaner - they wouldn't have purchased it just in case a dead body turns up in a trunk some day, would they?


You really aren't supposed to be able to purchase it at all legally...but some websites do...I doubt that they would be going online to buy illegal substances just to clean their house with. I think that chloroform was mixed/purchased and used in connection with Caylee's death only. JMO

[Chillin]

I seriously dont think the Anthonys had chloroform as a household cleaner. I think there are only two possible reasons it was in the trunk.


1. George or Cindy tried to clean the trunk.

2. Casey used it on Caylee.

[Joan Weiss]

George signed a statement giving permission for LE to take car and search it at 9:30 PM on July 16. Maybe they took it earlier, but I've not seen that.



Pg. 39 George states the Police took car on July 16, at 9:30 PM.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf
I recall Cindy saying on TV that they didn't pick it up for days, or something like that. Seemed to be her defense for handling/washing things in the car. So now that begs the question of why she would say that. When did she clean those items? Before the 911 calls? How could she expect LE to respond if she hadn't called them until after the cleaning? Did she clean after the 911 calls? She went to pick up Amy around 7:30PM, IIRC.

Then she said after she picked up Casey, she came into the house and overheard Casey telling Lee Caylee had been kidnapped. Came in from where? The garage? Cleaning the car? Is that when the car was moved? imo

[MyrDawn]

LE can answer that too.

The LE can say when the searches were made, what sites they led to and what type of info they had, but only Casey can say why she did them.

[warrkat]

Sometimes you can get into a locked door using a butter knife. I have a nice set of 'womens tools' and still go for the butter knife for a screwdriver. Have been known to bang a nail or two in the wall w/ the handle of one too. Maybe she got into somewhere she wasn't supposed to be w/ that knife. I don't think it was because she was feeding Caylee peanut butter sandwiches in the car,

Dinner knives don't cut pizza, either.

[Fallen Angel]

I don't think it's a big deal, either. A sharp knife would be more suspicious, but even then, not exactly a smoking gun unless it had Caylees blood on it. And, why would she leave a bloody knife in the car if she'd used it to kill Caylee. Or, why would she use it, then wash it, then take it back to the car?


I would love to know why Cindy washed it. What was on it?:shrug:

[Rebel Rouzer]

I'm thinking she was still trying to keep up the *I'm an event planner* facade...maybe mom and dad would have asked some questions if she would have been leaving the house in shorts and a t-shirt. JMO
Interesting thought.

[anyonesguess]

Did you read my post?
The Chloroform is HEAVIER than the air...it "lays" on the lower part of the airpocket. In the upper areas, there is fresh air. The only way the choloroform would be all through the trunks air is if it was a rather large concentration ( it may have been...we just don't know either way) and the trunk was air tight. Trunks are snug, but never totally airtight AFAIK ( I do recall hearing of people smothering in a trunk though, so who knows about the airtightness? maybe it makes a differeence the type of car?).
Maybe someone else can explain more clearly than I...sometimes it seems my explanations must not be as clear to others as they seem to me.

TY Oneup. I think I understand now. Sometimes I need to read about 5 times to get the gist of scientific stuff. :)

[Loves2Read]

It would stand to reason that if it was already in the car (as I said in my original post) someone had to have put it there.... maybe the person that had the car until it was abandoned? That person might have looked it up.

Ok... sorry I am quoting my own post here but I see that in my earlier post I was not as clear as I wanted to be. I think the chloroform was already in the the car but not in the trunk.

[kOOkie1]

I've seen Casey in nothing but shorts. I'm wondering why she had been wearing pants in June as hot as it is during that month? :shrug:

..I agree..I cant imagine her wearing jeans..dress slacks or whatever when she has the chance to wear short shorts! I was curious because i thought they were described, at some point, as gray slacks or something like that.. Guess she had to even dress like she was going to a job~

[Joan Weiss]

Refresh my memory...has there been a date released on WHEN the searches about chloroform were done on the computer?No............

[KKKKKKatie]

Morning all :seeya:

Just watched the Nejame interview. IMO Baez is not going to like it that he said LE is doing an intense ans exhaustive investigation :D

I must admit he is much more well spoken that our friend Garrison!

[msgatorslayer]

I've seen Casey in nothing but shorts. I'm wondering why she had been wearing pants in June as hot as it is during that month? :shrug:

For 'work'. Similar to a teen who is lying to her parents about what she's wearing to school. Walk out the door in a nice professional 'work' outfit. Change at friends house into party gear. IMO

Just because its Florida and hot doesn't mean we live as beach bums wearing nothing but shorts, lol.:cool:

[MyrDawn]

I would love to know why Cindy washed it. What was on it?:shrug:

Not that I like sticking up for Cindy any longer, but if I found one of my dinner knives in one of our cars, I'd wash it before I put it back in the silverware drawer, whether I could see any dirt on it or not.

I just don't find it all that suspicous because a dinner knife can't cut much of anything that isn't pretty soft.

[barskin&co.]

was a Nate living with TonE and Clint, why no police interview? I think Clint & Nate are one in the same, and Clint said Casey took Caylee home to grandma at night and Nate says the nanny, someone must be lying. to many player to many lies, you don't know who to believe,
and i sure don't believe the Anthony's stories.

Well, they were not the same person, because they had different voices and stayed at Tony's at different dates (Nate was there through July 15, while Clint moved out on June 30). Nancy Grace saw Clint's interview with Greta, I am sure. She would then have known if this was the same person.

[trt]

I would love to know why Cindy washed it. What was on it?:shrug:

Exactly...I'm thinking that it may not have been in there for anything sinister(thus Cindy's it wasn't *used* comment), but that it had something on it that Cindy may have thought would incriminate Casey, perhaps sitting on the spot where the fluids were found? Maybe had maggots on it as well? But then why not throw it away, why wash and give to police? It just doesn't make sense. Also, why not give police the pants you supposedly washed at the same time...why wait 3 weeks and then give it to them?

[Fallen Angel]

Morning all :seeya:

Just watched the Nejame interview. IMO Baez is not going to like it that he said LE is doing an intense ans exhaustive investigation :D

I must admit he is much more well spoken that our friend Garrison!

Nejame was hired to defend G and C so i figured he would throw Casey under the bus :D Cindy's gonna get pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzed

[need2no]

IMO, George and Cindy brought a lot of the negative publicity on themselves. They have made so many strange statements to the press that make absolutely no sense.

i.e Casey will not talk because she is afraid Caylee will be harmed or worse and Casey fears for her family's safety, but George turns around a week or two later and says the kidnappers are being watched. If they had so much fear for Caylee and/or the family's safety, why would he tell the media the kidnappers are being watched?

George said the gas cans had been stolen by a neighbor, but then tells Greta Casey stole the gas cans and he had known since 6/24. Why blame it on a neighbor?

Cindy said she had never heard Zanny's name before, but then said Caylee talked about Zanny's puppies.

Cindy said she talked to Casey or texted her every day. Then we learn on Greta (paraphrasing) "the family only had phone records through July 8 because Casey's phone had been shut off for lack of payment per Lee".

Casey is writing a letter, she is being watched in jail, not actually watched as reading over her shoulder, but watched. This letter contains clues and info to Caylee's whereabouts. Her attorney, JB, says there is no such letter and I can't imagine an attorney advising their client to put down details in writing.

I am sure there is more. I understand they did not ask to be thrown into this media circus. I don't understand their need to lie. The lies only bring more questions and make them more suspect.

Gotta run some errands....check back later.

jmo

Thanks for starting this desmom...I'll add a few to your list:


Cindy reported grand theft auto to 911 while knowing full well where the car was located.

Cindy said Casey got a phone call from Caylee and when Casey asked to speak with an adult the phone went dead. " I believe my mother also got a phone call from Caylee during that time", per Cindy Anthony.

Cindy initially denied to reporters (on camera) that George reported the theft of gas cans from the shed...while standing beside George who had just provided this info to the media.

Later she admits...."My husband went to the shed. The lock was broken, and the gas cans weren't there. He was going to mow the grass, and he made a police report," Cindy Anthony said.
After police were called, Anthony said her daughter, Casey Anthony, who is the toddler's mother, confessed.
"She was embarrassed to tell him. It's done," Cindy Anthony said.
Yet we were told still later George 'discovered' the gas cans in Casey's trunk after she tried desperately to prevent him from looking in her trunk. If she planned to fess up and apologize as Cindy claims, what was the problem?

Cindy said the gas cans were taken (by LE) because there were other fingerprints from someone besides Casey Anthony and members of her family, and that's what investigators were looking for.

"I've smelled an odor before I'm a nurse of decomposition that was the worst thing I've ever smelled that bag of pizza with maggots in there that sat in the car." per Cindy

From rotten maggot infested 12 day old pizza to rotting pizza AND a cleaning fluid, to running over something...
"It was an overpowering smell, I admit that," he said. "It's a possibility that maybe my daughter ran over something." per George Anthony

Per Cindy, Casey told her Caylee's father died in an auto accident...she couldn't recall his name. Per Cindy at the bond hearing she believed Jesse Grund was the baby daddy and the Grunds babysat for Caylee from time to time.

"We will never release the name of that person or his family out of respect for that family," Lee Anthony said. "The family was never aware that he was the father."

Cindy said Casey used the neighbors shovel to dig up bamboo.

"No, I'm not giving you another day, I've given you a month," Cindy Anthony said.

Casey graduated from high school, per Cindy at the bond hearing.

And so it goes....on and on and on.

[Joan Weiss]

Ok... sorry I am quoting my own post here but I see that in my earlier post I was not as clear as I wanted to be. I think the chloroform was already in the the car but not in the trunk.Yes, I think Nancy got it wrong. No surprise there. "The car reeked" was the initial report. imo

[happy2bme]

It would stand to reason that if it was already in the car (as I said in my original post) someone had to have put it there.... maybe the person that had the car until it was abandoned? That person might have looked it up.


Gotcha. Sorry I missed the original post.hammer

[deep*fear]

I'm thinking she was still trying to keep up the *I'm an event planner* facade...maybe mom and dad would have asked some questions if she would have been leaving the house in shorts and a t-shirt. JMO

Event planner was the 'perfect' pretend job. On party nights she could wear her little blue dress out so that she would fit in.

[barskin&co.]

Morning all :seeya:

Just watched the Nejame interview. IMO Baez is not going to like it that he said LE is doing an intense ans exhaustive investigation :D

I must admit he is much more well spoken that our friend Garrison!

Of course, we could say the same thing about Elmer Fudd.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Morning all :seeya:

Just watched the Nejame interview. IMO Baez is not going to like it that he said LE is doing an intense ans exhaustive investigation :D

I must admit he is much more well spoken that our friend Garrison!

I bet Cindy doesn't like that he said that either.

Hi Katie :seeya:

[Fallen Angel]

Exactly...I'm thinking that it may not have been in there for anything sinister(thus Cindy's it wasn't *used* comment), but that it had something on it that Cindy may have thought would incriminate Casey, perhaps sitting on the spot where the fluids were found? Maybe had maggots on it as well? But then why not throw it away, why wash and give to police? It just doesn't make sense. Also, why not give police the pants you supposedly washed at the same time...why wait 3 weeks and then give it to them?

Yeah something about the whole washing of the knife just doesn't sound right to me. I seriously doubt it was used to kill Caylee but i wouldn't be shocked if it had evidence on it.

[bballgrl]

I don't think it's a big deal, either. A sharp knife would be more suspicious, but even then, not exactly a smoking gun unless it had Caylees blood on it. And, why would she leave a bloody knife in the car if she'd used it to kill Caylee. Or, why would she use it, then wash it, then take it back to the car?


Wasn't it a kitchen knife that Susan Polk used to kill her husband? I don't think that anyone is thinking that the knife has anything to do with this case... but the presence of a kitchen knife in the backpack of someone in a household with a missing toddler, would beg a question. Again, I am not saying that it has anything to do with the case... but kitchen knives have been known to kill people....

[warrkat]

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Cindy found the knife and washed it. Cindy found the gray pants and washed them also.

But she didn't put the pants back in the car after she washed them; why put the knife back? I'd wash it, dry it, and put it in the kitchen drawer.

The knife probably doesn't mean a thing..... I'm just curious.

[kakax]

I am SO over this now, but to answer your question, IIRC the post began with "Contact............." There was no "I'm going to contact __________ because ____________.......others could do that also...here is the info........"

*If you read further than that, the poster said he/she did not mean to offend, and I answered that I did not mean to offend, and hope that he/she continues to post.*

Don't get an ulcer over this now!

I appreciate the information as I'm sure others do on this board.

I can't get on their home page....anyone else having trouble getting on their home page?

In listening to Nejame talk, he says that the GPs are using these Missing Children's Foundations to find Caylee. What exactly do these foundations do? Do they actually search? Do they provide the funds for tshirts, etc?

[barskin&co.]

Wasn't it a kitchen knife that Susan Polk used to kill her husband? I don't think that anyone is thinking that the knife has anything to do with this case... but the presence of a kitchen knife in the backpack of someone in a household with a missing toddler, would beg a question. Again, I am not saying that it has anything to do with the case... but kitchen knives have been known to kill people....

Ah yes, as a matter of fact it was her "favorite" kitchen knife.

[happy2bme]

I seriously dont think the Anthonys had chloroform as a household cleaner. I think there are only two possible reasons it was in the trunk.


1. George or Cindy tried to clean the trunk.

2. Casey used it on Caylee.


Is it possible Casey searched and had Chloroform after something happened to Caylee to try and clean up what she had done?

[need2no]

Well, they were not the same person, because they had different voices and stayed at Tony's at different dates (Nate was there through July 15, while Clint moved out on June 30). Nancy Grace saw Clint's interview with Greta, I am sure. She would then have known if this was the same person.


I agree...and if you look at Clint on the Greta tape of the interview with him and look at the shadowed figure Nate on Nancy Grace...it's quite obvious they are not the same person.

[bballgrl]

Not that I like sticking up for Cindy any longer, but if I found one of my dinner knives in one of our cars, I'd wash it before I put it back in the silverware drawer, whether I could see any dirt on it or not.

I just don't find it all that suspicous because a dinner knife can't cut much of anything that isn't pretty soft.


Did you watch the Susan Polk Trial? She used a kitchen knife to kill her husband. Granted it was a zillion tiny cuts, but hey... he is still dead.

Just a response to the fact that a kitchen knife couldn't be construed as a murder weapon....

[Rebel Rouzer]

For 'work'. Similar to a teen who is lying to her parents about what she's wearing to school. Walk out the door in a nice professional 'work' outfit. Change at friends house into party gear. IMO

Just because its Florida and hot doesn't mean we live as beach bums wearing nothing but shorts, lol.:cool:

lol I understand that. I guess It's just that Casey doesn't strike me as the type to wear pants when she doesn't have to. You all make perfect sense about her keeping up the facade that she was working and dressing the part.

[Chillin]

The LE can say when the searches were made, what sites they led to and what type of info they had, but only Casey can say why she did them.


Well if I typed in G@@gle..."ways to lose weight"..I'm sure common sense would tell you I think I'm a cow and might be looking for ways to shed a few. So depending on sites she visited I'm sure the LE would have a very good idea why she was on those sites. JMO

[Joan Weiss]

Exactly...I'm thinking that it may not have been in there for anything sinister(thus Cindy's it wasn't *used* comment), but that it had something on it that Cindy may have thought would incriminate Casey, perhaps sitting on the spot where the fluids were found? Maybe had maggots on it as well? But then why not throw it away, why wash and give to police? It just doesn't make sense. Also, why not give police the pants you supposedly washed at the same time...why wait 3 weeks and then give it to them?I think the police assumed the evidence had already been tampered with, and went with the car itself for evidence. I wonder if they knew initially that Cindy had removed things from the car? imo

[bballgrl]

Ah yes, as a matter of fact it was her "favorite" kitchen knife.

Hee Hee... I should have known that YOU would know that! ;)

(my partner in crimal investigative viewing...)

[Fallen Angel]

But she didn't put the pants back in the car after she washed them; why put the knife back? I'd wash it, dry it, and put it in the kitchen drawer.

The knife probably doesn't mean a thing..... I'm just curious.
why didnt she put the pants back in the car for the LE? i think Cindy washed evidence off of the knife and put it back.

[trt]

I think the police assumed the evidence had already been tampered with, and went with the car itself for evidence. I wonder if they knew initially that Cindy had removed things from the car? imo

Hmmm...interesting thought.

[greylover]

Is it possible Casey searched and had Chloroform after something happened to Caylee to try and clean up what she had done?


I think the date of the search will be key. Two things have stuck out in my mind - first, if trying to "subdue" a child, why chloroform? How about going to the drug store and picking up Benadryl to make a child sleep?

Maybe chloroform was searched because Casey heard on tv shows that chloroform knocks people out, and that would go hand in hand with her kidnapping story - ZFG and Samantha used chloroform to subdue Caylee during the kidnapping.

jmo

[kakax]

I seriously dont think the Anthonys had chloroform as a household cleaner. I think there are only two possible reasons it was in the trunk.


1. George or Cindy tried to clean the trunk.

2. Casey used it on Caylee.



I agree....and since we don't know the levels, it is hard to speculate which one it was. Both of them are possibilities in my mind.

[MyrDawn]

Wasn't it a kitchen knife that Susan Polk used to kill her husband? I don't think that anyone is thinking that the knife has anything to do with this case... but the presence of a kitchen knife in the backpack of someone in a household with a missing toddler, would beg a question. Again, I am not saying that it has anything to do with the case... but kitchen knives have been known to kill people....

Polk used a paring knife with a 4 1/2" blade. Paring knives are very sharp.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20060531/ai_n16462327

A kitchen knife is much sharper than a table knife, but I thought it was a table knife Cindy washed, not a kitchen knife. A table knife might be able to kill someone, but it would take a lot of work. The ones I've seen aren't even sharp enough to cut a steak. The restaurants around here all provide steak knives when someone orders a steak.

A table knife may be able to kill someone, but it would take a lot of work. The ones I've seen aren't even sharp enough to cut a steak. The restaurants around here all provide steak knives when someone orders a steak.

[Joan Weiss]

Did you watch the Susan Polk Trial? She used a kitchen knife to kill her husband. Granted it was a zillion tiny cuts, but hey... he is still dead.

Just a response to the fact that a kitchen knife couldn't be construed as a murder weapon....What Susan used was not a "dinnerware knife." To me, that means a table knife, something you'd use for butter, etc. imo

[barskin&co.]

I agree...and if you look at Clint on the Greta tape of the interview with him and look at the shadowed figure Nate on Nancy Grace...it's quite obvious they are not the same person.

They shared the same good manners. They were 21 year old men being interviewed by women in their 40's, thus they adressed them as "Ma'am." Nate, in addition, in courteous southern style called NG, "Miss Nancy."

[KKKKKKatie]

Nejame was hired to defend G and C so i figured he would throw Casey under the bus :D Cindy's gonna get pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzed


He sure came close to not saying nice things about her....in the nicest possible, well spoken way :D

[Chillin]

Is it possible Casey searched and had Chloroform after something happened to Caylee to try and clean up what she had done?

This is true also. I just dont see Casey as cleaning up the crime scene as much as I do Cindy and George. But that is just my opinion and nothing more.

Could be what Casey was doing with her car parked in the driveway the morning she borrowed the shovel. Who knows. I just wish they'd find Caylee.

[KKKKKKatie]

Of course, we could say the same thing about Elmer Fudd.

LOL Barskin

[warrkat]

Wasn't it a kitchen knife that Susan Polk used to kill her husband? I don't think that anyone is thinking that the knife has anything to do with this case... but the presence of a kitchen knife in the backpack of someone in a household with a missing toddler, would beg a question. Again, I am not saying that it has anything to do with the case... but kitchen knives have been known to kill people....

I didn't follow the Polk case closely, but didn't she use a kitchen paring knife? I was picturing, in Casey's case, a regular table knife. Maybe I'm mistaken about that.

Also, in the backpack?? Haven't heard that before. Could somebody set me straight on that?

thx

[bballgrl]

I think the date of the search will be key. Two things have stuck out in my mind - first, if trying to "subdue" a child, why chloroform? How about going to the drug store and picking up Benadryl to make a child sleep?

Maybe chloroform was searched because Casey heard on tv shows that chloroform knocks people out, and that would go hand in hand with her kidnapping story - ZFG and Samantha used chloroform to subdue Caylee during the kidnapping.

jmo


Because Benadryl takes a while to work and does not affect all children the same way???:shrug:

I can't use Benadryl on my son, because it doesn't do anything AT ALL for him. She may have needed something stronger than over the counter meds...

Also... if she is a fan of CSI, she may have wanted to do things a little more dramatically? Makes her look smart (LOL - notice I said LOOK smart) :rolleyes:

[KKKKKKatie]

I bet Cindy doesn't like that he said that either.

Hi Katie :seeya:


Wonder if she is going to accuse him of betraying her also :rolleyes:

Morning my friend :seeya:

[cutiepatootie61]

Is it possible Casey searched and had Chloroform after something happened to Caylee to try and clean up what she had done?

Yes, that is quite possible if Casey had the laptop at Tony's as is being reported. I am thinking that Casey purchased some off the internet or telephone using Cindy's credit card. Just before the leak of the chloroform came out, Cindy filed a stolen identity complaint. Just after the chloroform leak came out, Cindy was being represented by a high profile defense atty.

[kakax]

Well if I typed in G@@gle..."ways to lose weight"..I'm sure common sense would tell you I think I'm a cow and might be looking for ways to shed a few. So depending on sites she visited I'm sure the LE would have a very good idea why she was on those sites. JMO


Yes and further if a Weight Watchers brochure was in your car...you can say that the search led to you getting the brochure. Like the searches, depending on when they were, would lead you do believe either she used the searches to find out the affects on a human, or to find out how to clean because the compound was found in her car.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Wonder if she is going to accuse him of betraying her also :rolleyes:

Morning my friend :seeya:

Probably. Hey I'm looking for the link so I can watch it. What page is it on? Please.

[bballgrl]

Polk used a paring knife with a 4 1/2" blade. Paring knives are very sharp.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20060531/ai_n16462327

A table knife may be able to kill someone, but it would take a lot of work. The ones I've seen aren't even sharp enough to cut a steak. The restaurants around here all provide steak knives when someone orders a steak.


Kitchen knife... denotes alot of possibilities. I didn't read the article about the type of knife found in the backpack. Was it specified to be a "steak knife" or a "Table Knife"? I just heard kitchen knife and thought of Susan Polk.

I would wonder why someone had one in their backpack with a laptop computer... I am not saying that she was trying to use it on someone, but I would question it... Maybe that is just me...

JMHO

[cutiepatootie61]

What Susan used was not a "dinnerware knife." To me, that means a table knife, something you'd use for butter, etc. imo
Correct. when you look up dinnerware sets, it is forks, spoons, butter knives. Sharp serrated knives are cutlery known as steak knives, table knives, etc.... moo

[KKKKKKatie]

Probably. Hey I'm looking for the link so I can watch it. What page is it on? Please.

it is on the last page of the links thread

[Chillin]

Yes and further if a Weight Watchers brochure was in your car...you can say that the search led to you getting the brochure. Like the searches, depending on when they were, would lead you do believe either she used the searches to find out the affects on a human, or to find out how to clean because the compound was found in her car.
ITA with you

[Pruddennce]

I recall Cindy saying on TV that they didn't pick it up for days, or something like that. Seemed to be her defense for handling/washing things in the car. So now that begs the question of why she would say that. When did she clean those items? Before the 911 calls? How could she expect LE to respond if she hadn't called them until after the cleaning? Did she clean after the 911 calls? She went to pick up Amy around 7:30PM, IIRC.

Then she said after she picked up Casey, she came into the house and overheard Casey telling Lee Caylee had been kidnapped. Came in from where? The garage? Cleaning the car? Is that when the car was moved? imo

Cindy claims she was in the garage awaiting LE and Lee was in the bedroom with Casey: per her testimony at the bond hearing

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7039126&version=1&locale=EN-US


Search Warrant: http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

LE states that she told them about the pants being washed on 8/4. They also state in the search warrant that she removed and washed the pants "prior to LE being contacted."

best regards,
Pru

[Rileyj26]

I believe two things. Either LE wants the body before pressing charges but at this point they will never find her. Or two they have nothing which depresses me more. No more leaks her high fiving her brother tells me she is off scott free.

[Rebel Rouzer]

it is on the last page of the links thread

Thanks doll

[Joan Weiss]

why didnt she put the pants back in the car for the LE? i think Cindy washed evidence off of the knife and put it back.Cindy strikes me as a woman with a heck of a nose; ie; they got rid of the stuffed toys because they smelled like ciggy smoke. I think she's a fuss-budget, too. If everything smelled like decomp, I doubt she'd want it in the house. Clean freak. I'm like that, so I'm relating...

The troublesome part is that everything DID reek of decomp. I think George should have called LE and not taken the car home. He surely had to know that something was wrong. His daughter and granddaughter missing, their things in the car, the smell, etc. imo

[kakax]

Because Benadryl takes a while to work and does not affect all children the same way???:shrug:

I can't use Benadryl on my son, because it doesn't do anything AT ALL for him. She may have needed something stronger than over the counter meds...

Also... if she is a fan of CSI, she may have wanted to do things a little more dramatically? Makes her look smart (LOL - notice I said LOOK smart) :rolleyes:



Benadryl has the opposite affect on my daughter..she may have needed something more reliable and effective.

What I don't understand is we know chloroform can knock you out...but after it is administered, would you stay asleep? Maybe this is what she was searching.

[MyrDawn]

I didn't follow the Polk case closely, but didn't she use a kitchen paring knife? I was picturing, in Casey's case, a regular table knife. Maybe I'm mistaken about that.

Also, in the backpack?? Haven't heard that before. Could somebody set me straight on that?

thx

I haven't heard it was in the backpack before, either. I've seen the knife called a table knife, a dinnerwear knife, and a flatware knife, but never a kitchen knife before now. Kitchen knives are definitely sharper than knives that come in silverwear sets, which we call "butter" knives sometimes.

[marshmallow]

Don't get an ulcer over this now!

I appreciate the information as I'm sure others do on this board.

I can't get on their home page....anyone else having trouble getting on their home page?

In listening to Nejame talk, he says that the GPs are using these Missing Children's Foundations to find Caylee. What exactly do these foundations do? Do they actually search? Do they provide the funds for tshirts, etc?

in my opinion, that one pays for defense attys for people who aren't doing a thing to find a missing child :(

[need2no]

They shared the same good manners. They were 21 year old men being interviewed by women in their 40's, thus they adressed them as "Ma'am." Nate, in addition, in courteous southern style called NG, "Miss Nancy."


Being a southern gal myself it all sounded quite normal (and nice) to me. :)

[Regina.Lampert]

Cindy strikes me as a woman with a heck of a nose; ie; they got rid of the stuffed toys because they smelled like ciggy smoke. I think she's a fuss-budget, too. If everything smelled like decomp, I doubt she'd want it in the house. Clean freak. I'm like that, so I'm relating...

The troublesome part is that everything DID reek of decomp. I think George should have called LE and not taken the car home. He surely had to know that something was wrong. His daughter and granddaughter missing, their things in the car, the smell, etc. imo

I agree with you Joanie. I think george's role in the cover-up began right then and there. If there is evidence of a clean up in that trunk, I think george has some explaining to do.

[dreamtime]

I recall Cindy saying on TV that they didn't pick it up for days, or something like that. Seemed to be her defense for handling/washing things in the car. So now that begs the question of why she would say that. When did she clean those items? Before the 911 calls? How could she expect LE to respond if she hadn't called them until after the cleaning? Did she clean after the 911 calls? She went to pick up Amy around 7:30PM, IIRC.

Then she said after she picked up Casey, she came into the house and overheard Casey telling Lee Caylee had been kidnapped. Came in from where? The garage? Cleaning the car? Is that when the car was moved? imo
___________________________
Cindy said she had been outside trying to calm down after talking to Casey. When she came back in, she overheard Casey and Lee talking.

[AnnInOhio]

I think the date of the search will be key. Two things have stuck out in my mind - first, if trying to "subdue" a child, why chloroform? How about going to the drug store and picking up Benadryl to make a child sleep?

Maybe chloroform was searched because Casey heard on tv shows that chloroform knocks people out, and that would go hand in hand with her kidnapping story - ZFG and Samantha used chloroform to subdue Caylee during the kidnapping.

jmo


Frankly, I'm surprised Casey's story hasn't morphed to include that they also chloroformed HER and that's how they were able to kidnap Caylee! Maybe she's saving that for the book.

[MyrDawn]

Well if I typed in G@@gle..."ways to lose weight"..I'm sure common sense would tell you I think I'm a cow and might be looking for ways to shed a few. So depending on sites she visited I'm sure the LE would have a very good idea why she was on those sites. JMO

All I know is if someone used that type of "common sense" to check my Google searches, they probaby think I was a serial killer considering some of the sites I've googled and visited while looking up things I've heard about Casey, as well as past crimes I've been interested.

And yes, chloroform is one of them. ;)

[~jomomma~]

Frankly, I'm surprised Casey's story hasn't morphed to include that they also chloroformed HER and that's how they were able to kidnap Caylee! Maybe she's saving that for the book.

shhhh.....don't be given her any ideas!!!

[Chillin]

Cindy seems to be a very clean person. She washed the knife, the pants...I think the trunk was tried and cleaned also. It was THEIR car and not Caseys. I really believe they tried to clean it.

[msgatorslayer]

IMO - The kitchen knife doesn't have anything to do with the crimes against Caylee. It was just there. I like the idea someone mentioned about using it to break into someones home. I can see Casey knowing her friends schedules and going back to their homes after they leave.

But all in all, I think it was just more junk in the trunk. I keep my car pretty clean but I don't clean out and vacuum my trunk. There is still a cell phone box of Mr.Gator's in there from like 4 years ago. Along with a Beall's bag containing a change of clothing from months ago. I see these things every time I put grocery's back there but haven't done anything about them, lmao.:o

[Chillin]

All I know is if someone used that type of "common sense" to check my Google searches, they probaby think I was a serial killer considering some of the sites I've googled and visited while looking up things I've heard about Casey, as well as past crimes I've been interested.

And yes, chloroform is one of them. ;)
Well if a dead bodies decomp is found in your trunk along with chloroform I'd say you'd be explaining for a long time.

[marshmallow]

They shared the same good manners. They were 21 year old men being interviewed by women in their 40's, thus they adressed them as "Ma'am." Nate, in addition, in courteous southern style called NG, "Miss Nancy."



I have sons around the same age as these young men. I don't think that TonE (sp?) was anti kids, I think he was just a normal young man of that age group. Kids are fun but not ready to be a dad.
I wonder if Casey picked up on that and felt it was Caylees fault. I've been really impressed by the young men and her friend Amy. I don't know if LE has asked them not to go Springer-ish and hit the talk show circuit or if they just don't want to be associated with this mess but either way they haven't exploited this sad story. The only ones who've done that are the Anthonys.

[Velouria]

Frankly, I'm surprised Casey's story hasn't morphed to include that they also chloroformed HER and that's how they were able to kidnap Caylee! Maybe she's saving that for the book.

..........:lol:

[MyrDawn]

Kitchen knife... denotes alot of possibilities. I didn't read the article about the type of knife found in the backpack. Was it specified to be a "steak knife" or a "Table Knife"? I just heard kitchen knife and thought of Susan Polk.

I would wonder why someone had one in their backpack with a laptop computer... I am not saying that she was trying to use it on someone, but I would question it... Maybe that is just me...

JMHO

As I said, I've seen the knife called a table knife, a dinnerwear knife, and a flatware knife, but never a kitchen knife before now. And, this is the first I heard it was found in the backpack.

[beckyj]

All I know is if someone used that type of "common sense" to check my Google searches, they probaby think I was a serial killer considering some of the sites I've googled and visited while looking up things I've heard about Casey, as well as past crimes I've been interested.

And yes, chloroform is one of them. ;)

Me too. I'd look like a fat convict!

[bballgrl]

I haven't heard it was in the backpack before, either. I've seen the knife called a table knife, a dinnerwear knife, and a flatware knife, but never a kitchen knife before now. Kitchen knives are definitely sharper than knives that come in silverwear sets, which we call "butter" knives sometimes.


Sorry guys, Maybe I misunderstood the context of this discovery. I assumed that the knife was found in the backpack and that it was a "kitchen knife"... If it was a butter knife.. that really IS no big deal.

Sorry if I confused the issue....

[msgatorslayer]

Frankly, I'm surprised Casey's story hasn't morphed to include that they also chloroformed HER and that's how they were able to kidnap Caylee! Maybe she's saving that for the book.

Well, George has already given an outlet for that. She may have fought with the kindappers but might not remember.:rolleyes:

[barskin&co.]

IMO - The kitchen knife doesn't have anything to do with the crimes against Caylee. It was just there. I like the idea someone mentioned about using it to break into someones home. I can see Casey knowing her friends schedules and going back to their homes after they leave.

But all in all, I think it was just more junk in the trunk. I keep my car pretty clean but I don't clean out and vacuum my trunk. There is still a cell phone box of Mr.Gator's in there from like 4 years ago. Along with a Beall's bag containing a change of clothing from months ago. I see these things every time I put grocery's back there but haven't done anything about them, lmao.:o

No, I don't think Casey killed Caylee with a knife. I don't think she would leave a bloody crime scene. However, I do think she killed her.

[kakax]

All I know is if someone used that type of "common sense" to check my Google searches, they probaby think I was a serial killer considering some of the sites I've googled and visited while looking up things I've heard about Casey, as well as past crimes I've been interested.

And yes, chloroform is one of them. ;)

I bet chloroform isn't in your trunk though.

[deep*fear]

I think the date of the search will be key. Two things have stuck out in my mind - first, if trying to "subdue" a child, why chloroform? How about going to the drug store and picking up Benadryl to make a child sleep?

Maybe chloroform was searched because Casey heard on tv shows that chloroform knocks people out, and that would go hand in hand with her kidnapping story - ZFG and Samantha used chloroform to subdue Caylee during the kidnapping.

jmo

The thing with 2-3 year olds, they are gaining their independence and are known for their tantrums. I've seen many tantrums by children this age and didn't think they were kidnapped, but that they needed some discipline.

[WinnieLeigh7]

http://community.myfoxorlando.com/blogs/WOFL/2008/08/04/The_Search_for_Caylee_Anthony?page_no=2141

Angels4Caylee Post 4:10 am

:( :rose: :(

[bballgrl]

All I know is if someone used that type of "common sense" to check my Google searches, they probaby think I was a serial killer considering some of the sites I've googled and visited while looking up things I've heard about Casey, as well as past crimes I've been interested.

And yes, chloroform is one of them. ;)


If somone typed in "common sense" in google, I can tell you what they would NOT find... A picture of Casey Anthony!!!!

:lol:

[MyrDawn]

Well if a dead bodies decomp is found in your trunk along with chloroform I'd say you'd be explaining for a long time.

Ya got me there! :D

[summer4meplz]

has this been posted yet?

http://community.myfoxorlando.com/blogs/WOFL/2008/08/04/The_Search_for_Caylee_Anthony?page_no=2140



this is a guy who says he was in the search and is discussing what they think they found.
He was answering q's .
Look for the poster named JUSTICE4CAYLEE


that was very interesting,,,very very,,,,but....on the one hand, ppl come out of the woodwork to involve themselves in these high profile cases....it easily could be BS...but on the other hand, there were a lot of searchers....this poster's story seems extremely plausible....
it must be hard to not be able to tell things you know..

if, this poster's story was true, when he/she went back, what would the terrible smell be?

[deep*fear]

What Susan used was not a "dinnerware knife." To me, that means a table knife, something you'd use for butter, etc. imo

One would think if it were a butter knife they would have labeled it as such. Until we have a photo, we won't know what they mean.

[AnnInOhio]

Exactly...I'm thinking that it may not have been in there for anything sinister(thus Cindy's it wasn't *used* comment), but that it had something on it that Cindy may have thought would incriminate Casey, perhaps sitting on the spot where the fluids were found? Maybe had maggots on it as well? But then why not throw it away, why wash and give to police? It just doesn't make sense. Also, why not give police the pants you supposedly washed at the same time...why wait 3 weeks and then give it to them?

Is it possible that CA initially only knew the car smelled bad, and that she initially linked it to the rotten pizza GA chucked from the trunk at the impound lot? Perhaps GA didn't tell CA that he recognized the smell as being a decomposed body smell until AFTER they learned thru Lee that Casey hasn't seen Caylee in a month. The light bulb goes on too late for CA, who has been cleaning the car for something to do to work off her frustration with Casey. After all, CA could easily have lied about the pants and dinner knife being in the car.

[happy2bme]

that was very interesting,,,very very,,,,but....on the one hand, ppl come out of the woodwork to involve themselves in these high profile cases....it easily could be BS...but on the other hand, there were a lot of searchers....this poster's story seems extremely plausible....
it must be hard to not be able to tell things you know..

if, this poster's story was true, when he/she went back, what would the terrible smell be?

That is what I wondered.

[MyrDawn]

If somone typed in "common sense" in google, I can tell you what they would NOT find... A picture of Casey Anthony!!!!

:lol:

Or any of the other Anthony's in her family, for that matter.
:D

JMO

[Joan Weiss]

___________________________
Cindy said she had been outside trying to calm down after talking to Casey. When she came back in, she overheard Casey and Lee talking.TY for clearing that up. :)

[crymeariver2006]

If somone typed in "common sense" in google, I can tell you what they would NOT find... A picture of Casey Anthony!!!!

:lol:


Priceless!

:D

[msgatorslayer]

Wasn't the Anthony attorney supposed to be on the Today show? For the National Media Blitz.

I've played football on the ps2 with Mr.Gator - I'd like to do a Tampa Bay Blitz on Casey

[steffaroob4]

A woman in California says that Gail St. John charged too much money to her account. The police are investigation. I remember this St. John woman/psychic on Nancy Grace's show. Had a bad feeling about it and now I know why.
http://www.wftv.com/video/17432761/index.html

Wow, that is odd, talk about strange, I hope she is putting all those type of donations on her tax forms. This is the strangest case I have ever seen.

I am so sick of hearing from side-show acts, where is Caylee in all of this.

[bookie]

You didn't offend, really. Please don't just lurk, please keep posting. I apologize if I offended you.

I don't plan to "protest" the attorney's appearances in the media. I like to see/listen to both sides of any case. I'm sure there are some others as well.


Regardless of the opinions posted here George and Cindy have a right to talk. They aren't suspects, they aren't POI's. They have just as much right to talk as posters do to post.

[Joan Weiss]

Re. the butter knife, what better (tool) to use for maybe breaking into houses? Maybe:Or spreading things on rolls, bread, etc.

Even if I take the kids to a park to eat, I need the plastic silverware...imo

[Loves2Read]

I think the date of the search will be key. Two things have stuck out in my mind - first, if trying to "subdue" a child, why chloroform? How about going to the drug store and picking up Benadryl to make a child sleep?

Maybe chloroform was searched because Casey heard on tv shows that chloroform knocks people out, and that would go hand in hand with her kidnapping story - ZFG and Samantha used chloroform to subdue Caylee during the kidnapping.

jmo

IMO she would have chosen chloroform over Benadryl because chloroform will work every time the same way (if administered the same way with the same amount) but Benadryl doesn't always work like that. Kids build a resistance to it and it only lasts 4 hours or so depending on the child.

[AnnInOhio]

No, I don't think Casey killed Caylee with a knife. I don't think she would leave a bloody crime scene. However, I do think she killed her.

I think Casey loved Caylee on some level, she just hated her parents more than she loved Caylee. I also don't think she could stab Caylee or kill her in a way that would leave physical marks. Casey uses a twisted logic. My theory is that Caylee used choloroform to knock her out so she wouldn't have to "hurt" her while killing her. The best scenario I can come up with that I think Casey could actually do is to drown an already unconscious Caylee. I can see Casey pretending to swim with her in the family pool one last time and "oops". I don't think Casey trusts anybody enough to enlist someone's help. I think she found a larger body of water in which to place the body so that the cause of death by drowning would make sense.

[Joan Weiss]

Wow, that is odd, talk about strange, I hope she is putting all those type of donations on her tax forms. This is the strangest case I have ever seen.

I am so sick of hearing from side-show acts, where is Caylee in all of this.It appears to me that the woman is kind of naive. She should have stipulated to the hotel owner that the charge was only for three days. imo

[warrkat]

that was very interesting,,,very very,,,,but....on the one hand, ppl come out of the woodwork to involve themselves in these high profile cases....it easily could be BS...but on the other hand, there were a lot of searchers....this poster's story seems extremely plausible....
it must be hard to not be able to tell things you know..

if, this poster's story was true, when he/she went back, what would the terrible smell be?

If you start reading above that particular post, someone said that there was something deep in the water, tightly wrapped (no odor). Then, when the "package" was unwrapped, there was a terrible odor. From reading it, I wasn't sure if the person was claiming to be there, or if it was a possible theory of what happened.

[Joan Weiss]

Is it possible that CA initially only knew the car smelled bad, and that she initially linked it to the rotten pizza GA chucked from the trunk at the impound lot? Perhaps GA didn't tell CA that he recognized the smell as being a decomposed body smell until AFTER they learned thru Lee that Casey hasn't seen Caylee in a month. The light bulb goes on too late for CA, who has been cleaning the car for something to do to work off her frustration with Casey. After all, CA could easily have lied about the pants and dinner knife being in the car.That's very possible. imo

[martha]

Good Morning everyone, I have been gone a couple of days and am way behind on everything. Is Tim still looking for caylee? They don;t tell much on tv about this case. If any of you have any new news please let me know. thanks :rose:

[bookie]

My interpretation of calling her "trash lady" gives me no problem anymore than in a previous trial the perp was referred to as the 'garbageman'.

I do however think the 'trashy' is not acceptable, they are two very different descriptions of the woman.

And this is how I will make my decisions on the posts using such names.



Thanks CW.

[Joan Weiss]

IMO she would have chosen chloroform over Benadryl because chloroform will work every time the same way (if administered the same way with the same amount) but Benadryl doesn't always work like that. Kids build a resistance to it and it only lasts 4 hours or so depending on the child.How would Casey know all that? She's not a chemist, is she? How would she know how to administer chloroform in a safe dosage?

[Mandysmom]

Good morning everyone. Catching up on the reading and trying to do some work also.

I hope today as always, is the day they find little Caylee. I would love to wake up and hear news that Casey has been telling the truth all along and Caylee is safe and alive.

I would gladly eat crow for years if that were to happen. Sadly, I don't think it will.

:(

[bookie]

IMO she would have chosen chloroform over Benadryl because chloroform will work every time the same way (if administered the same way with the same amount) but Benadryl doesn't always work like that. Kids build a resistance to it and it only lasts 4 hours or so depending on the child.



Nyquil, Tylenol PM or most over the counter sleep aids would have worked on a 2 year old and would have been a heck of a lot easier to buy.

[alisa31235]

good morning ........is miss casey going to see her lawyer today

[Regina.Lampert]

Frankly, I'm surprised Casey's story hasn't morphed to include that they also chloroformed HER and that's how they were able to kidnap Caylee! Maybe she's saving that for the book.

I think by the time the trial rolls around we're gonna be
apalled at the lies told by casey anthony in her defense.

I am wondering how she is going to explain the "how to use chloroform" searches on the computer. Especially if those searches were done before Caylee went missing.

[kOOkie1]

Regardless of the opinions posted here George and Cindy have a right to talk. They aren't suspects, they aren't POI's. They have just as much right to talk as posters do to post.

Ohh i can agree they have a "right" to talk..but its their lies that are so frustrating. They only want to talk to divert the truth. (imo)

[Loves2Read]

How would Casey know all that? She's not a chemist, is she? How would she know how to administer chloroform in a safe dosage?

You would be surprised about the information that can be found online if you are properly motivated.

[msgatorslayer]

I think Casey loved Caylee on some level, she just hated her parents more than she loved Caylee. I also don't think she could stab Caylee or kill her in a way that would leave physical marks. Casey uses a twisted logic. My theory is that Caylee used choloroform to knock her out so she wouldn't have to "hurt" her while killing her. The best scenario I can come up with that I think Casey could actually do is to drown an already unconscious Caylee. I can see Casey pretending to swim with her in the family pool one last time and "oops". I don't think Casey trusts anybody enough to enlist someone's help. I think she found a larger body of water in which to place the body so that the cause of death by drowning would make sense.

I'm still not sure it was deliberate.

Casey was under stress from her parents finding out she lied and stole. She left the house, either on her own, or after being kicked out. With no where to go and no real means of supporting Caylee and herself. The house she left was all Caylee knew.

I can see Caylee missing her Grama, crying, having a fit, and Casey snapping, trying to make her stop.:(

[jbellaj]

has this been posted yet?

http://community.myfoxorlando.com/blogs/WOFL/2008/08/04/The_Search_for_Caylee_Anthony?page_no=2140



this is a guy who says he was in the search and is discussing what they think they found.
He was answering q's .
Look for the poster named JUSTICE4CAYLEE


I did not read all the postings there however all I can tell you is that when we searched it went like this. You were assigned a Team Leader. There were 10 people assigned to each team leader. You were not told in advanced of the area you were going to. They gave us orange strips that we were to use if we found anything from bones to clothing etc and anything that looked out of the ordinary. If you found something you were to tag it notify your team leader who would mark it on the map of where we where and they would report it to the SD who would send someone out to check it. I tagged a submerged gas can that was in a pond.

Onedarksun and her team found some bones I believe. I do remember that after their find the dogs were brought to the scene to check it out.

I guess it's ok for me to spill now about our last search trip. We didn't want to say anything at first but I think it's ok to do it now. When we all got back to the command center on Saturday onedarksun, hubby and I went up to see Tim. While we were talking to him he asked if we were leaving and we said yes. He asked if we would stay and I asked why. He hesitated at first and then said that a team of LE, S&R and the k-9 unit would be leaving out on one more search that was of the upmost importance and said I would like it if you would stay and join them. I called Chrdpast & Rebel over to ask them if thet agreed and of course they did. Tim told us not to say anything to anyone else that was at the command center and told us where we were going. We were going to the woods directly behind the Anthony's home. He did not want the media to be tipped off. He asked us to eat and cool down and when the dogs alerted they were ready to go we would leave.
The first K-9 team left before us to go out. The procedure was that the K-9's go in and if they hit on anything they would flagged it. It's not their job to examine the area. When the K-9 team was done then we were to go in and search and do the same thing as before however if we came acroos a spot that was flagged we were instructed to examine the area very closely for disturbed dirt, any items of interest etc. and then tag it, then report it to command so CSI could go out.

What happened was a mix of errors, dodging the media and getting to the site which was located by the fire station behind the Anthony's. When we assembled waiting on the K-9's to come out it was starting to get dark and the decision was made for us not to enter the area for saftey sake. We were told that they were going to hit that area right at first dawn on Sunday so no one would ever know about it. We were requested to stay but I could not for I had to travel back to Atlanta on Sunday. I really wanted to stay just because Tim took a real liking to us and asked for us 5 to stay.

That is why we didn't want to say anything because we knew at first light they were going to go in behind the Anthony's and we didn't want to take the risk that media, lawyers or the Anthony's were monitoring the boards. We did not want to betray or hinder what Tim was trying to do.

I hope this helps on understanding just how the search procedure process is done. It was a learning expierence for me.

I will be joining on another search unrelated to Caylee.

[Joan Weiss]

I agree with you Joanie. I think george's role in the cover-up began right then and there. If there is evidence of a clean up in that trunk, I think george has some explaining to do.Morning, Reggie. :seeya:

Yep, I place responsibility on George. I also think he's angry because he knows he screwed up. His actions opened a whole can of worms. imo

[bballgrl]

How would Casey know all that? She's not a chemist, is she? How would she know how to administer chloroform in a safe dosage?

Web Search??? Just a thought :shrug:

[Loves2Read]

Nyquil, Tylenol PM or most over the counter sleep aids would have worked on a 2 year old and would have been a heck of a lot easier to buy.

You have some very good points there. Maybe it was a means to and end. Maybe she had a bigger plan that called for chloroform, and she did look it up on her computer.......

[margaritaville]

How would Casey know all that? She's not a chemist, is she? How would she know how to administer chloroform in a safe dosage?

ITA with you!

Obviously she didn't know how or she purposly used it to kill her not knock her out. Which is what I think.

Even if she searched about chloroform on the net it will not tell you safe dosages for a 2 1/2 year old....

[SavannahStar]

Nyquil, Tylenol PM or most over the counter sleep aids would have worked on a 2 year old and would have been a heck of a lot easier to buy.

That had occurred to me as well. I'm just not, at this point, totally believing this chloroform "evidence"....too dubious for many reasons. I can be convinced otherwise, but only with some bona fide statements from LE.

[GrandmaGA]

One would think if it were a butter knife they would have labeled it as such. Until we have a photo, we won't know what they mean.

Exactly, we won't know until seen and entered into evidence in court but just "reporting" the word KNIFE makes it look so sinister ansd that is what is they want it to look like IMO.

[anyonesguess]

All I know is if someone used that type of "common sense" to check my Google searches, they probaby think I was a serial killer considering some of the sites I've googled and visited while looking up things I've heard about Casey, as well as past crimes I've been interested.

And yes, chloroform is one of them. ;)

I would help get you not convicted for googling it myrdawn. :)

Your daughter isn't missing, and you don't have it in your trunk, so I think you will be fine!! :)

[Rebel Rouzer]

Laurieann I read Justice4Caylee's posts you provided the link for.

I'm not sure what to make of their posts. When we were there all Volunteers had to sign out at the command center before leaving so they didn't think the person was missing or something happened to them while searching. I'm wondering why JusticeCaylee didn't sign out and went straight home?
Unless they asked their team leader to sign them out? I would think if they found anything relating to Caylee and this case. The foul smell would not still be there do to extrem decomposition. The gases emitted from a decomposing body only last for a certain length of time and also would depend on the enviromental conditions in whih the body was decomposing in. JMO

[bookie]

That had occurred to me as well. I'm just not, at this point, totally believing this chloroform "evidence"....too dubious for many reasons. I can be convinced otherwise, but only with some bona fide statements from LE.


The date of the search will be important. If it was after LE was involved then it loses all relevance.

[Joan Weiss]

Frankly, I'm surprised Casey's story hasn't morphed to include that they also chloroformed HER and that's how they were able to kidnap Caylee! Maybe she's saving that for the book.Oh, geeze, don't give her any ideas, lol...

[KKKKKKatie]

I did not read all the postings there however all I can tell you is that when we searched it went like this. You were assigned a Team Leader. There were 10 people assigned to each team leader. You were not told in advanced of the area you were going to. They gave us orange strips that we were to use if we found anything from bones to clothing etc and anything that looked out of the ordinary. If you found something you were to tag it notify your team leader who would mark it on the map of where we where and they would report it to the SD who would send someone out to check it. I tagged a submerged gas can that was in a pond.

Onedarksun and her team found some bones I believe. I do remember that after their find the dogs were brought to the scene to check it out.

I guess it's ok for me to spill now about our last search trip. We didn't want to say anything at first but I think it's ok to do it now. When we all got back to the command center on Saturday onedarksun, hubby and I went up to see Tim. While we were talking to him he asked if we were leaving and we said yes. He asked if we would stay and I asked why. He hesitated at first and then said that a team of LE, S&R and the k-9 unit would be leaving out on one more search that was of the upmost importance and said I would like it if you would stay and join them. I called Chrdpast & Rebel over to ask them if thet agreed and of course they did. Tim told us not to say anything to anyone else that was at the command center and told us where we were going. We were going to the woods directly behind the Anthony's home. He did not want the media to be tipped off. He asked us to eat and cool down and when the dogs alerted they were ready to go we would leave.
The first K-9 team left before us to go out. The procedure was that the K-9's go in and if they hit on anything they would flagged it. It's not their job to examine the area. When the K-9 team was done then we were to go in and search and do the same thing as before however if we came acroos a spot that was flagged we were instructed to examine the area very closely for disturbed dirt, any items of interest etc. and then tag it, then report it to command so CSI could go out.

What happened was a mix of errors, dodging the media and getting to the site which was located by the fire station behind the Anthony's. When we assembled waiting on the K-9's to come out it was starting to get dark and the decision was made for us not to enter the area for saftey sake. We were told that they were going to hit that area right at first dawn on Sunday so no one would ever know about it. We were requested to stay but I could not for I had to travel back to Atlanta on Sunday. I really wanted to stay just because Tim took a real liking to us and asked for us 5 to stay.

That is why we didn't want to say anything because we knew at first light they were going to go in behind the Anthony's and we didn't want to take the risk that media, lawyers or the Anthony's were monitoring the boards. We did not want to betray or hinder what Tim was trying to do.

I hope this helps on understanding just how the search procedure process is done. It was a learning expierence for me.

I will be joining on another search unrelated to Caylee.

Thank you jbella :rose:

[GrandmaGA]

That had occurred to me as well. I'm just not, at this point, totally believing this chloroform "evidence"....too dubious for many reasons. I can be convinced otherwise, but only with some bona fide statements from LE.


IMO statements from LE bonafided or not means nothing. They can and do lie to get the suspect to confess. The only way we will know if any of this is true or not is at trial and they have to porve their leaks.

[anyonesguess]

I did not read all the postings there however all I can tell you is that when we searched it went like this. You were assigned a Team Leader. There were 10 people assigned to each team leader. You were not told in advanced of the area you were going to. They gave us orange strips that we were to use if we found anything from bones to clothing etc and anything that looked out of the ordinary. If you found something you were to tag it notify your team leader who would mark it on the map of where we where and they would report it to the SD who would send someone out to check it. I tagged a submerged gas can that was in a pond.

Onedarksun and her team found some bones I believe. I do remember that after their find the dogs were brought to the scene to check it out.

I guess it's ok for me to spill now about our last search trip. We didn't want to say anything at first but I think it's ok to do it now. When we all got back to the command center on Saturday onedarksun, hubby and I went up to see Tim. While we were talking to him he asked if we were leaving and we said yes. He asked if we would stay and I asked why. He hesitated at first and then said that a team of LE, S&R and the k-9 unit would be leaving out on one more search that was of the upmost importance and said I would like it if you would stay and join them. I called Chrdpast & Rebel over to ask them if thet agreed and of course they did. Tim told us not to say anything to anyone else that was at the command center and told us where we were going. We were going to the woods directly behind the Anthony's home. He did not want the media to be tipped off. He asked us to eat and cool down and when the dogs alerted they were ready to go we would leave.
The first K-9 team left before us to go out. The procedure was that the K-9's go in and if they hit on anything they would flagged it. It's not their job to examine the area. When the K-9 team was done then we were to go in and search and do the same thing as before however if we came acroos a spot that was flagged we were instructed to examine the area very closely for disturbed dirt, any items of interest etc. and then tag it, then report it to command so CSI could go out.

What happened was a mix of errors, dodging the media and getting to the site which was located by the fire station behind the Anthony's. When we assembled waiting on the K-9's to come out it was starting to get dark and the decision was made for us not to enter the area for saftey sake. We were told that they were going to hit that area right at first dawn on Sunday so no one would ever know about it. We were requested to stay but I could not for I had to travel back to Atlanta on Sunday. I really wanted to stay just because Tim took a real liking to us and asked for us 5 to stay.

That is why we didn't want to say anything because we knew at first light they were going to go in behind the Anthony's and we didn't want to take the risk that media, lawyers or the Anthony's were monitoring the boards. We did not want to betray or hinder what Tim was trying to do.

I hope this helps on understanding just how the search procedure process is done. It was a learning expierence for me.

I will be joining on another search unrelated to Caylee.


jbella, TY for your detailed post. I want to personally TY and the other posters that searched with you. I am not sure I speak for everyone, but feel that a part of me was there searching since we all post here so much. We are all faceless, and many nameless, but have a connection here on the boards in wanting to find Caylee.

:seeya:

[Joan Weiss]

good morning ........is miss casey going to see her lawyer todayOh, Lord, I wish they wouldn't give her all that media play. She's lovin' it...imo

[spageddy]

I have sons around the same age as these young men. I don't think that TonE (sp?) was anti kids, I think he was just a normal young man of that age group. Kids are fun but not ready to be a dad.
I wonder if Casey picked up on that and felt it was Caylees fault. I've been really impressed by the young men and her friend Amy. I don't know if LE has asked them not to go Springer-ish and hit the talk show circuit or if they just don't want to be associated with this mess but either way they haven't exploited this sad story. The only ones who've done that are the Anthonys.

I was touched to hear Nate speak of Caylee so fondly. He really seemed to be charmed by her. I honestly don't think I've heard anybody speak of Caylee as a living breathing child.Cindy , George and Casey- with all their talk about finding Caylee and all their insistance that she is alive- none of them have really talked about her like Nate did. He seemed so eager to tell stories of the adorable things she did. I havn't heard any of those cute stories before, and it made me sad to realize that. Usually it's Uncles, Aunts, Grammas, Moms & Dads who can't stop talking about how smart & cute their kid is.

[Joan Weiss]

jbella, TY for your detailed post. I want to personally TY and the other posters that searched with you. I am not sure I speak for everyone, but feel that a part of me was there searching since we all post here so much. We are all faceless, and many nameless, but have a connection here on the boards in wanting to find Caylee.

:seeya:Let me ditto that. I wanted to go so badly...

[Chillin]

My interpretation of calling her "trash lady" gives me no problem anymore than in a previous trial the perp was referred to as the 'garbageman'.

I do however think the 'trashy' is not acceptable, they are two very different descriptions of the woman.

And this is how I will make my decisions on the posts using such names.
TY CW. Thats how I felt also when DaddysGirl kept calling her that.

[Loves2Read]

ITA with you!

Obviously she didn't know how or she purposly used it to kill her not knock her out. Which is what I think.

Even if she searched about chloroform on the net it will not tell you safe dosages for a 2 1/2 year old....

Are we sure she wanted to get "safe dosages"? IMO she just wanted it in the ballpark and hey if it was too much then oh well.... That's just more time for her to hang out with her friends to think of a cover story.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Laurieann I read Justice4Caylee's posts you provided the link for.

I'm not sure what to make of their posts. When we were there all Volunteers had to sign out at the command center before leaving so they didn't think the person was missing or something happened to them while searching. I'm wondering why JusticeCaylee didn't sign out and went straight home?
Unless they asked their team leader to sign them out? I would think if they found anything relating to Caylee and this case. The foul smell would not still be there do to extrem decomposition. The gases emitted from a decomposing body only last for a certain length of time and also would depend on the enviromental conditions in whih the body was decomposing in. JMO


True, do you have to sign out, I'd forgotten about that...


However, as for the smell...

On the search that I participated in, which the body was located...a lil' over 3 mths after the missing date (which is longer right now than Caylee's been missing)...

I went to the 'site' the following day...and found it, by smell!

Depending on how the body is disposed of...the smell can still be extremely strong!

[beemeup]

Thanks for the info jbellaj. You 5 are the best. Yes it all makes sense as to why you had to hold back. We knew you's had good reason. Interesting insight. I hope something breaks soon for all. Even us folk here-far too much coffee and now on to chocolate. How long can Baez go on having her at his office for so many hrs. The Anthony house is also a meltdown waiting to happen-inside or out. Bless's you all again for your kindness.:beer:Yes beer -maybe time to put away the caffeine

[Chillin]

I don't believe the entire chloroform story. I say if it was there, its because the investigators put it there.

LMAO...you really believe the POLICE planted evidence????:eek:

[msgatorslayer]

Laurieann I read Justice4Caylee's posts you provided the link for.

I'm not sure what to make of their posts. When we were there all Volunteers had to sign out at the command center before leaving so they didn't think the person was missing or something happened to them while searching. I'm wondering why JusticeCaylee didn't sign out and went straight home?
Unless they asked their team leader to sign them out? I would think if they found anything relating to Caylee and this case. The foul smell would not still be there do to extrem decomposition. The gases emitted from a decomposing body only last for a certain length of time and also would depend on the enviromental conditions in whih the body was decomposing in. JMO

I haven't read the post yet but just wanted to say that ITA. It's standard procedure for a searcher to sign out. When I did one, after telling my team leader I was leaving, I had to go to the command center and let the LE in charge also know that I was leaving. They want everyone accounted for.

[Joan Weiss]

I was touched to hear Nate speak of Caylee so fondly. He really seemed to be charmed by her. I honestly don't think I've heard anybody speak of Caylee as a living breathing child.Cindy , George and Casey- with all their talk about finding Caylee and all their insistance that she is alive- none of them have really talked about her like Nate did. He seemed so eager to tell stories of the adorable things she did. I havn't heard any of those cute stories before, and it made me sad to realize that. Usually it's Uncles, Aunts, Grammas, Moms & Dads who can't stop talking about how smart & cute their kid is.I agree. Nate was so delighted to talk about Caylee, he would never have stopped. He was positively gushing. I suspect these nice young men have younger siblings, nieces, nephews...imo

[summer4meplz]

If you start reading above that particular post, someone said that there was something deep in the water, tightly wrapped (no odor). Then, when the "package" was unwrapped, there was a terrible odor. From reading it, I wasn't sure if the person was claiming to be there, or if it was a possible theory of what happened.


i don't watch csi or any of those shows...so this might be a dumb question....but if they found something like that....would they unwrap then and there or would they bag it and unwrap it in the lab?

[anyonesguess]

I don't believe the entire chloroform story. I say if it was there, its because the investigators put it there.


Like the Mark Fuhrman planting the sock theory :confused:

[Rebel Rouzer]

True, do you have to sign out, I'd forgotten about that...


However, as for the smell...

On the search that I participated in, which the body was located...a lil' over 3 mths after the missing date (which is longer right now than Caylee's been missing)...

I went to the 'site' the following day...and found it, by smell!

Depending on how the body is disposed of...the smell can still be extremely strong!

It also depends on the weather and time of year. Cold, cool or hot. Lot's of variables. We were told by Tim and Team leaders that we all were more than likely looking for bones and not what we see on the missing posters of Caylee.:(

[msgatorslayer]

I did not read all the postings there however all I can tell you is that when we searched it went like this. You were assigned a Team Leader. There were 10 people assigned to each team leader. You were not told in advanced of the area you were going to. They gave us orange strips that we were to use if we found anything from bones to clothing etc and anything that looked out of the ordinary. If you found something you were to tag it notify your team leader who would mark it on the map of where we where and they would report it to the SD who would send someone out to check it. I tagged a submerged gas can that was in a pond.

Onedarksun and her team found some bones I believe. I do remember that after their find the dogs were brought to the scene to check it out.

I guess it's ok for me to spill now about our last search trip. We didn't want to say anything at first but I think it's ok to do it now. When we all got back to the command center on Saturday onedarksun, hubby and I went up to see Tim. While we were talking to him he asked if we were leaving and we said yes. He asked if we would stay and I asked why. He hesitated at first and then said that a team of LE, S&R and the k-9 unit would be leaving out on one more search that was of the upmost importance and said I would like it if you would stay and join them. I called Chrdpast & Rebel over to ask them if thet agreed and of course they did. Tim told us not to say anything to anyone else that was at the command center and told us where we were going. We were going to the woods directly behind the Anthony's home. He did not want the media to be tipped off. He asked us to eat and cool down and when the dogs alerted they were ready to go we would leave.
The first K-9 team left before us to go out. The procedure was that the K-9's go in and if they hit on anything they would flagged it. It's not their job to examine the area. When the K-9 team was done then we were to go in and search and do the same thing as before however if we came acroos a spot that was flagged we were instructed to examine the area very closely for disturbed dirt, any items of interest etc. and then tag it, then report it to command so CSI could go out.

What happened was a mix of errors, dodging the media and getting to the site which was located by the fire station behind the Anthony's. When we assembled waiting on the K-9's to come out it was starting to get dark and the decision was made for us not to enter the area for saftey sake. We were told that they were going to hit that area right at first dawn on Sunday so no one would ever know about it. We were requested to stay but I could not for I had to travel back to Atlanta on Sunday. I really wanted to stay just because Tim took a real liking to us and asked for us 5 to stay.

That is why we didn't want to say anything because we knew at first light they were going to go in behind the Anthony's and we didn't want to take the risk that media, lawyers or the Anthony's were monitoring the boards. We did not want to betray or hinder what Tim was trying to do.

I hope this helps on understanding just how the search procedure process is done. It was a learning expierence for me.

I will be joining on another search unrelated to Caylee.

Thanks Jbellaj. To our IS team.:rose:

[WinnieLeigh7]

i don't watch csi or any of those shows...so this might be a dumb question....but if they found something like that....would they unwrap then and there or would they bag it and unwrap it in the lab?

:shrug: I'd think CSI could unwrap it on site, to determine if it is anything

They know enough to take the extra precautions if it is.

[Rileyj26]

Am I the only one that doesn't believe LE has anything? :eek:

[SavannahStar]

Can you tell me any cases in which your "Air DNA" has been qualified as evidence in a court of law?

I haven't found one.


MY "Air DNA"???? Huh? :confused:

[Laurieann]

Laurieann I read Justice4Caylee's posts you provided the link for.

I'm not sure what to make of their posts. When we were there all Volunteers had to sign out at the command center before leaving so they didn't think the person was missing or something happened to them while searching. I'm wondering why JusticeCaylee didn't sign out and went straight home?
Unless they asked their team leader to sign them out? I would think if they found anything relating to Caylee and this case. The foul smell would not still be there do to extrem decomposition. The gases emitted from a decomposing body only last for a certain length of time and also would depend on the enviromental conditions in whih the body was decomposing in. JMO

I didn't know what to think of it.
I think J4C was saying (about the smell) was that the "thing" was tightly wrapped..therefor no smell, but IF it was unwrapped (which J4C claimed no knowledge of) it might emit a horrible smell?
I don't know what to think of them not signing out.
Thanks for reading. I don't even know what I hope for anymore, for her to be found in the searches, or for her not to be found and have hope that 10 years from now she'll show up.
(that didn't come out right, but I think you guys know what I mean.):shrug:

[happy2bme]

Or spreading things on rolls, bread, etc.

Even if I take the kids to a park to eat, I need the plastic silverware...imo


Better yet use of 2 butter knives to remove a stubborn CD that won't eject from CD player.

[Mandysmom]

Sorry, meant it as a suggestion, really--just was in too big of hurry!
I should have read it before I posted. I did not mean to offend anyone--guess I am just so offended by the whole Anthony circus.

Again, I am sorry that I offended anyone---will go back to lurking.

I think it's pretty safe to say that most of the posters here knew that it was a suggestion, not an order.

Don't lurk, stay out here with the rest of us. lol

:seeya:

[jbellaj]

jbella, TY for your detailed post. I want to personally TY and the other posters that searched with you. I am not sure I speak for everyone, but feel that a part of me was there searching since we all post here so much. We are all faceless, and many nameless, but have a connection here on the boards in wanting to find Caylee.

:seeya:

We 5 represented our family here on the boards. We carried each and every one of you in our journey. Don't thank us, we thank you for all of your support to make it happen. :rose:

[Roux]

And that would explain the computer searches for chloroform how, exactly?

Since CSI is one of Casey's favorite TV shows, I'm wondering if they've had an episode that featured chloroform as a script component? Maybe that's where she thought of it and subsequently did a search on the net.

[debkay]

If Caylee wasn't sleeping at Tony's, where was she sleeping?? Has anyone said if they were babysitting overnight while Casey went back to Tonys?

[beemeup]

Like the Mark Fuhrman planting the sock theory :confused:

Dont forget the glove:)

[warrkat]

That had occurred to me as well. I'm just not, at this point, totally believing this chloroform "evidence"....too dubious for many reasons. I can be convinced otherwise, but only with some bona fide statements from LE.

If Casey was responsible for the chloroform being in the car, maybe it wasn't intended for Caylee. She (most likely) would have known that cold medicine would work just as well to make Caylee sleep. Could she have been planning to kill her parents?
I'm thinking that she had to know that all her crimes were going to come to light, and soon. She had to get rid of the two people who would bring charges against her.

just thoughts.........

[Rebel Rouzer]

I didn't know what to think of it.
I think J4C was saying (about the smell) was that the "thing" was tightly wrapped..therefor no smell, but IF it was unwrapped (which J4C claimed no knowledge of) it might emit a horrible smell?
I don't know what to think of them not signing out.
Thanks for reading. I don't even know what I hope for anymore, for her to be found in the searches, or for her not to be found and have hope that 10 years from now she'll show up.
(that didn't come out right, but I think you guys know what I mean.):shrug:

Yes I know what you mean. :)

[kakax]

We 5 represented our family here on the boards. We carried each and every one of you in our journey. Don't thank us, we thank you for all of your support to make it happen. :rose:



Ty for going! And for your post! :rose: It takes very special people to do what you all did! You represented this board well!!!

[Joan Weiss]

Cindy seems to be a very clean person. She washed the knife, the pants...I think the trunk was tried and cleaned also. It was THEIR car and not Caseys. I really believe they tried to clean it.Yes, I think they did. The box of Arm & Hammer was probably put in there by Cindy. She would know it could cover up or remove odors. I know that...

I think she proceeded to clean it as soon as it was brought home, or shortly after George left for work. I hold George responsible for that, he should have called LE from the impound lot. imo

[WinnieLeigh7]

It also depends on the weather and time of year. Cold, cool or hot. Lot's of variables. We were told by Tim and Team leaders that we all were more than likely looking for bones and not what we see on the missing posters of Caylee.:(


True!

We were told the same thing...and particularly to "look out for the clothing Last seen in" (although none of us following the story believed the clothing was given accurately) Much to our surprise, it was...

I've mentioned this before as insight, but here's my recap (just as reference)

the body had been buried in a shallow makeshift grave, the upper remains had been dug up by anmials and only bones were left

But the lower body had remained in the grave and there was enough left that initial identification was made by a tattoo on the leg.
(as well as the 'last seen wearing' clothing)...


The date missing was Aug. 3rd, Found Nov. 10th, MS
So I'm sure cooler weather, although it definitely wasn't cold by any means

[Joan Weiss]

If Caylee was found as this poster suggests is possible, how long would it take to ID her?

I have a gut feeling she was found and thats why Tim called off the search, but you'd think we'd know by now.I think they have suspected a location, but (as Tim said) they don't want to disturb the scene, therefore waiting until the water goes down. imo

[Rebel Rouzer]

If Caylee was found as this poster suggests is possible, how long would it take to ID her?

I have a gut feeling she was found and thats why Tim called off the search, but you'd think we'd know by now.
Well If they were correct and what they are looking for is bones and they found her. It could take a little while to ID her through DNA testing. IMO

I don't believe they found her. YET. Tim had already expressed what he untimately announced Sunday when he spoke with us at the command center on Saturday.

[WillowInFlight]

Like the Mark Fuhrman planting the sock theory :confused:

I thought it was a glove?

[Loves2Read]

Can you tell me any cases in which your "Air DNA" has been qualified as evidence in a court of law?

I haven't found one.

IIRC they did say that it was "New" technology. Maybe that is why there is no precedent for it.

[Joan Weiss]

True!

We were told the same thing...and particularly to "look out for the clothing Last seen in" (although none of us following the story believed the clothing was given accurately) Much to our surprise, it was...

I've mentioned this before as insight, but here's my recap (just as reference)

the body had been buried in a shallow makeshift grave, the upper remains had been dug up by anmials and only bones were left

But the lower body had remained in the grave and there was enough let that initial identification was made by a tattoo on the leg.
(as well as the 'last seen wearing' clothing)...


The date missing was Aug. 3rd, Found Nov. 10th, MS
So I'm sure cooler weather, although it definitely wasn't cold by any meansYou brought somebody home. :rose:

[KKKKKKatie]

IIRC they did say that it was "New" technology. Maybe that is why there is no precedent for it.


There always has to be a "first" time :D

[bookie]

Since CSI is one of Casey's favorite TV shows, I'm wondering if they've had an episode that featured chloroform as a script component? Maybe that's where she thought of it and subsequently did a search on the net.


Synopsis for
"CSI: Crime Scene Investigation"
For Gedda (2008)


A CSI reports they found chloroform in Gedda's blood. Grissom orders Warrick's blood tested because chloroform can cause short term memory loss. But it's too late, it disappears in the blood too quickly.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1206158/synopsis

[anyonesguess]

Well.. it certainly wouldn't be the first time if they did. But actually I think Dr. Kobilinsky had it right when he said that it is used by LE as an investigative tool. That to me seems to be the most plausible explanation. Why? You think all of LE is above planting evidence?

Scooby, I think however that until there is proof of something like that and no links to show your theory, why try to make this debacle anymore mixed up than it already is. We weren't allowed to talk about someone that many of us thought was Caylees real father without proof, so I would think this falls in the same guidelines imo per CW. Maybe I am wrong, I am a lot. :shrug:

[happy2bme]

I don't believe the entire chloroform story. I say if it was there, its because the investigators put it there.

Explain it being searched on the laptop? Seriously. That is why I want to know when she searched it.

[Laurieann]

It also depends on the weather and time of year. Cold, cool or hot. Lot's of variables. We were told by Tim and Team leaders that we all were more than likely looking for bones and not what we see on the missing posters of Caylee.:(

I can not express how very, very awed I am by you guys going down there. I cried for a week, had to take a valium, because of the initial low turn outs. I wanted so, so, so bad to go search.
I know you guys suffered mentally as well as physically to do what ou did, and I, for one of very many, salute you! :patriot:
Thank you guys so much!

[deep*fear]

ITA with you!

Obviously she didn't know how or she purposly used it to kill her not knock her out. Which is what I think.

Even if she searched about chloroform on the net it will not tell you safe dosages for a 2 1/2 year old....

You're right, someone posted a link to videos using chloroform. You would hold the cloth over the person's face until they passed out, but you wouldn't know how long they would be passed out for and how long to hold the cloth on their face after they passed out.

Anyone know?? Would chloroform bleach the carpeting ? One of its main ingredients is bleach, is the bleaching effect counteracted by the other chemical?

[Katprint]

Like the Mark Fuhrman planting the sock theory :confused:
Mark Fuhrman planted the bloody glove. The socks (with blood containing lab preservative planted on them) were planted by a different investigator - they magically appeared at some point after the initial photographing of the residence - as was the blood "discovered" three weeks later on the gate.

Just to clear up any confusion.

Katprint
Who still believes OJ was guilty despite the police misconduct
Always only my own opinions

[crymeariver2006]

If Casey was responsible for the chloroform being in the car, maybe it wasn't intended for Caylee. She (most likely) would have known that cold medicine would work just as well to make Caylee sleep. Could she have been planning to kill her parents?
I'm thinking that she had to know that all her crimes were going to come to light, and soon. She had to get rid of the two people who would bring charges against her.

just thoughts.........

Interesting thoughts....

But IF she had offed the parents, she would definitely be stuck raising Caylee by herself, with probably no money once the Anthony debts were paid. Sooooo, with that thought, maybe Caylee was to be first and then George and Cindy?

I don't know about chloroforming two able bodied adults to death, easier with a toddler.

But then again, our "event planner" has never put much planning in to anything.

:shrug:

[Regina.Lampert]

I don't believe the entire chloroform story. I say if it was there, its because the investigators put it there.

Are you accusing LE of "planting" evidence against casey anthony?

[msgatorslayer]

Synopsis for
"CSI: Crime Scene Investigation"
For Gedda (2008)


A CSI reports they found chloroform in Gedda's blood. Grissom orders Warrick's blood tested because chloroform can cause short term memory loss. But it's too late, it disappears in the blood too quickly.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1206158/synopsis

I'm a CSI fan. That was a great story line. Not as good as the Minature Killer, but, still good.:)

[deep*fear]

Am I the only one that doesn't believe LE has anything? :eek:

Why do you think that?
Casey will be spending AT LEAST 6 years in jail and I believe more with the additional financial charges.
Casey can be charged in the murder of Caylee now, in 3 years, in 6 years, in 20 years. There is no statute of limitation on murder and LE has time on its side b/c Casey will be in jail on other charges. Why would they charge before they have their case put together 100% ? Casey can demand a speedy trial once charges are brought.

[happy2bme]

Since CSI is one of Casey's favorite TV shows, I'm wondering if they've had an episode that featured chloroform as a script component? Maybe that's where she thought of it and subsequently did a search on the net.


Possible. Frankiebones (I think) posted a link to an episode back when it first came out about the chloroform.

[beemeup]

I thought it was a glove?

From my recollection we are both right?? That the blood was planted on the sock or was that the flying DNA in the bad lab. If i recall correctly Furhman or one of the det. was accused at one point of planting the glove.

[Pruddennce]

I'm still not sure it was deliberate.

Casey was under stress from her parents finding out she lied and stole. She left the house, either on her own, or after being kicked out. With no where to go and no real means of supporting Caylee and herself. The house she left was all Caylee knew.

I can see Caylee missing her Grama, crying, having a fit, and Casey snapping, trying to make her stop.:(

that is precisely what is a blur:

Cindy, durinig the bond hearing says Casey has left the home with Caylee before for days. which corroborates Amy's statement about Casey 'tucking Caylee in on a couch'....and also when she lived with Ricardo, they all slept in one bed.

Caylee's short life was already a little messy with mom's 'schedule' of wanting to be with her friends.

however, in this instance, Cindy is claiming that they didnt leave until June 16 to never return together.

that statement is contradicted by her friends who said she moved in with Tony around the beginning of June.

IMO, Caylee was still 'sleeping' at the Anthonys until June 15th, but Casey was not.

so I dont believe Caylee was missing her home for days on end.....she was with Cindy on the 15th.

I believe something happened after they left...which day, that is what no one knows.....


best regards,
Pru

[WinnieLeigh7]

You brought somebody home. :rose:

It was the sister of a close friend of mine

Her story was on here, I had started a thread when I found out she was missing, ultimately the thread was erased, I BELIEVE at LE's request, as her husband (who has been charged) was posting on here.

It was reopened later, but all of the information missing.

However you can still find her story by searching online.
Brandi Laurent :rose:

[Joan Weiss]

IIRC they did say that it was "New" technology. Maybe that is why there is no precedent for it.IIRC, this test has already been presented successfully in court. imo

[AnnInOhio]

I think they have suspected a location, but (as Tim said) they don't want to disturb the scene, therefore waiting until the water goes down. imo


This isn't a game, but in the woods directly behind the Anthony home fits nicely with my theory that Casey killed Caylee in the Anthony back yard. Back gate left open...probably left in a hurry. Anybody know that area? How inconspicuous would it be to see a mom carrying a little girl from the back yard to the wooded area behind the home?

[deep*fear]

Dont forget the glove:)
Don't forget the blood in the Bronco. MF was a busy busy boy. :rolleyes:

[bookie]

I'm a CSI fan. That was a great story line. Not as good as the Minature Killer, but, still good.:)


This years season opener is going to make me cry.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I can not express how very, very awed I am by you guys going down there. I cried for a week, had to take a valium, because of the initial low turn outs. I wanted so, so, so bad to go search.
I know you guys suffered mentally as well as physically to do what ou did, and I, for one of very many, salute you! :patriot:
Thank you guys so much!

You were there with us don't worry :rose: So thank you.

[msgatorslayer]

If Caylee wasn't sleeping at Tony's, where was she sleeping?? Has anyone said if they were babysitting overnight while Casey went back to Tonys?

No babysitter has stepped forward.

I'm thinking, that when Casey first started going to Tony's and bringing Caylee there with her, she would bring Caylee back to her parents and then go to sleep at TonE's.

[nc1948]

All I know is if someone used that type of "common sense" to check my Google searches, they probaby think I was a serial killer considering some of the sites I've googled and visited while looking up things I've heard about Casey, as well as past crimes I've been interested.

And yes, chloroform is one of them. ;).

If LE ever searches our computers, we will all have to vouch for each other. I have some very incriminating(sp) searches. But the were all in search of the truth. Oops, I just gave Cindy/Casey a new excuse.

[Rebel Rouzer]

What channel will I see the lawyer talking about getting focus off the Anthonys? I have to go to bed, bad fibro day. I will check in later.

tia for channel, I will sit here and wait for someone to reply...:seeya:

It's on the link in the links thread. last page. myfoxorlando is the station I believe.

[warrkat]

Interesting thoughts....

But IF she had offed the parents, she would definitely be stuck raising Caylee by herself, with probably no money once the Anthony debts were paid. Sooooo, with that thought, maybe Caylee was to be first and then George and Cindy?

I don't know about chloroforming two able bodied adults to death, easier with a toddler.

But then again, our "event planner" has never put much planning in to anything.

:shrug:

You're right, I left something out. I meant kill the baby first, then the parents. And the cholorform wouldn't kill the parents, probably. Get them unconscious, drag them to the car in the garage, start the motor.......
Oh, I'm a sick puppy!

[Loves2Read]

IIRC, this test has already been presented successfully in court. imo

I was unaware of that. Thanks for the info! :seeya:

[SoggyBayou]

http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:53408.asx

[crymeariver2006]

Well If they were correct and what they are looking for is bones and they found her. It could take a little while to ID her through DNA testing. IMO

I don't believe they found her. YET. Tim had already expressed what he untimately announced Sunday when he spoke with us at the command center on Saturday.

Do any of you know whether or not the area behind the Anthony home was indeed searched on Sunday morning?

Did they send the dogs in on Saturday evening or Sunday morning?

:shrug:

[summer4meplz]

I thought it was a glove?

iirc...and that's questionable after all these years...but i thought it was a glove in the yard and socks in the bedroom?

rereading justice 4 caylee.....he/she said no odor on sunday, but a strong odor on monday.....but...they didn't say odor of what...not that i read....i couldn't find the first time justice4caylee posted...i've read many pages...back to 2138...and then i missed ya guys and came back

[bballgrl]

What channel will I see the lawyer talking about getting focus off the Anthonys? I have to go to bed, bad fibro day. I will check in later.

tia for channel, I will sit here and wait for someone to reply...:seeya:


I am sorry Barefoot.... Fibro is a stinky medical problem.. Hope you feel better (Do you have hotpacks??)

I hope that this does indeed backfire on the Anthony's. I don't think they had anything to do with Caylees disappearance, but I believe that they are hindering the investigation!

[deep*fear]

If Caylee was found as this poster suggests is possible, how long would it take to ID her?

I have a gut feeling she was found and thats why Tim called off the search, but you'd think we'd know by now.

If a child's remains were found they would have to confirm with DNA as it could be Trenton or a child not even reported missing. Dna takes time. I hope they found someone. :( Their reasoning is sound, there's a lot of standing water from Hurricane Faye and we're not done with rainy season.

[crymeariver2006]

You're right, I left something out. I meant kill the baby first, then the parents. And the cholorform wouldn't kill the parents, probably. Get them unconscious, drag them to the car in the garage, start the motor.......
Oh, I'm a sick puppy!

Oh no, we're not the sick ones.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Am I the only one that doesn't believe LE has anything? :eek:

I think they have more than enough to know that Caylee is no longer "with us"

I don't think they'll have a problem at all proving death or proving murder.

I still think the possible problem comes down to "who", "Who is responsible for it"

I mean sure, we can see Casey's obvious lies and misguided behaviors as a mother missing her child...
But that's not enough "proof" in the courts...

AND, we can also see "misguidance" (and I'm using that term much too nicely)...in the grandparents behavior.

All have lied, all have contradicting stories...

So LE sit back and are saying "Who"

IMO

[jbellaj]

I didn't know what to think of it.
I think J4C was saying (about the smell) was that the "thing" was tightly wrapped..therefor no smell, but IF it was unwrapped (which J4C claimed no knowledge of) it might emit a horrible smell?
I don't know what to think of them not signing out.
Thanks for reading. I don't even know what I hope for anymore, for her to be found in the searches, or for her not to be found and have hope that 10 years from now she'll show up.
(that didn't come out right, but I think you guys know what I mean.):shrug:


I'm with Rebel on this. Number one, you were NOT told where you were going and number two you had to sign out at the command center so they knew that they didn't leave anyone behind and lost.

Just doesn't fit in to the late Sat. search and the search at dawn. Then later that day the search was called off. JMO

[AnnInOhio]

Synopsis for
"CSI: Crime Scene Investigation"
For Gedda (2008)


A CSI reports they found chloroform in Gedda's blood. Grissom orders Warrick's blood tested because chloroform can cause short term memory loss. But it's too late, it disappears in the blood too quickly.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1206158/synopsis

Original air date: May 15, 2008. I hope Casey didn't charge chloroform ordered online to her grandparents account!

[day2day]

Well.. it certainly wouldn't be the first time if they did. But actually I think Dr. Kobilinsky had it right when he said that it is used by LE as an investigative tool. That to me seems to be the most plausible explanation. Why? You think all of LE is above planting evidence?


Nawww...but it is sooooooooooo clear that the Anthony's have much to hide. So not this time ....I think we ALL know what happened to Caylee...

jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

Thats not what I said.


That's why I asked? So, clear it up, what precisely did you mean?

[Rebel Rouzer]

Do any of you know whether or not the area behind the Anthony home was indeed searched on Sunday morning?

Did they send the dogs in on Saturday evening or Sunday morning?

:shrug:

I know that Saturday night a team of dogs were taken in a second set of dogs and searchers (us) were to go in affter them but search was postponed until Sunday. . I do not know for fact that the area was searched on Sunday and that is why I have not commented on it. I believe it could jeopardize the search area and the case by giving that information out prematurely without it being announced by TES or LE. Just my humble opinion.

[steffaroob4]

Did Greta have anything last night on the case? I didn't catch the show.