Caylee Anthony 09-09-08 A>M thread

[nutterbutter]

Good morning all.Please continue here.A new day and renewed hope Caylee will be found soon.
For Caylee :rose:

[mojito]

READ THESE 2 POST BY Takotna AND Shellberry that I just found on another board.

Quote:
Originally posted by Takotna
This just hit me like a ton of bricks -


Flies flew out of the trunk when George and the Towman opened the trunk -

THERE WOULD BE NO FLIES IF THERE WAS CHLOROFORM IN THE TRUNK

My conclusion - The chloroform was introduced to the trunk after George picked it up.

My speculation - G/C used chloroform to clean the trunk.

IMO [/*]
Shellberry Quote

I think that is a great possibility.
I recently read you can use it to kill fire ants and bee/wasp nests.
living in florida, that would be a sure fire way to get rid of them for good if you had a problem.
I really wouldnt find it odd if they made a mix of it or bought some online for that reason....then used it to 'clean up' the car...

imo/jmo

The only thing about this theory, to me, is that George already talked about the mixture he used to clean with. If HE was the one who used chloroform, he should've admitted it then. He also should come forward now unless he wants to further implicate his own daughter.
Does anyone have proof about the choloroform/fly theory? (that the flies wouldn't be able to live)
Off to work...just my 2 cents...

[crymeariver2006]

I think it's going to boil down to the dates of the computer searches. Anything before 7/14 says Casey is most likely responsible for the chloroform, anything after....could be George or Cindy.

I've never doubted that the trunk was cleaned and that whoever cleaned it missed the few strands of Caylee's hair. Couldn't use bleach because that would discolor the trunk carpeting. Then George comes up with the Arm & Hammer. He also says the "DNA results will be inconclusive".

I'm just not so sure that chloroform was used for cleaning. The computer searches are going to tell the story.

I'm also thinking that it's an exaggeration to say that the chloroform was still so heavy that it could be smelled upon opening the trunk. Wouldn't that have knocked out the tow truck owner and George?

IMO, the chloroform was found in the air test, in addition to the decomp gasses scents.

I'm no scientist, but I doubt any of the Anthonys are either.

[farrahrani]

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I do not recall anything Cindy or George saying they actually cleaned the car. Just aired it out.

I do know that ants are really hard to kill at least the ones that were in my garden and the ones my cousin has. We have never been successful in killing them. IF the CH would kill ants and wasp......wouldn`t they kill the flies also........I have even heard the CH in that trunk would of killed the driver, yet George did drive the car.


I dunno. I know that many things that will kill regular houseflies, won't necessarily kill gnats. I think that's what they are called. Those tiny flies that hover around anything decomposing? I went away for a few days, and my kids left some dishes in their room with scraps of food in them. When I came in their room, the smell was godawful because everything was closed up, and those tiny flies were EVERYWHERE. After cleaning up, we got Raid and HotShot bug spray which didn't really work. But it DID kill a regular housefly we let in through a window later.

So maybe chloroform, being stronger and more concentrated would have killed the flies, but did anyone mention flies around the car? I missed that part. All I ever heard about what the smell. :shrug:

[farrahrani]

I can't find the edit button but crymeariver made a good point, about nobody mentioning the smell. I think some kind of chemical smell would have been mentioned by either the detective who was called to their house, or by any of the family who was standing nearby when the car was opened. While it wouldn't have necessarily knocked them out, as all they had to do was slam the trunk shut and step back, it probably would have been noted in the reports somewhere. And the media would have commented on that smell well before the chloroform search leak. IMO

[kakax]

READ THESE 2 POST BY Takotna AND Shellberry that I just found on another board.

Quote:
Originally posted by Takotna
This just hit me like a ton of bricks -


Flies flew out of the trunk when George and the Towman opened the trunk -

THERE WOULD BE NO FLIES IF THERE WAS CHLOROFORM IN THE TRUNK

My conclusion - The chloroform was introduced to the trunk after George picked it up.

My speculation - G/C used chloroform to clean the trunk.

IMO [/*]
Shellberry Quote

I think that is a great possibility.
I recently read you can use it to kill fire ants and bee/wasp nests.
living in florida, that would be a sure fire way to get rid of them for good if you had a problem.
I really wouldnt find it odd if they made a mix of it or bought some online for that reason....then used it to 'clean up' the car...

imo/jmo



I went and found my quote from last night cause I just got up and can't put words together yet LOL. But I agree with you...

#159 Yesterday, 09:30 PM
kakax
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Augusta, GA
Posts: 2,314

I wish Nancy Grace had spent more time on the chloroform levels. She said that the smell was overpowering when they opened the trunk. About a week ago, Dr. Koby stated that Chloroform was used in DNA laboratories to somehow split DNA. Makes me wonder if it wasn't ordered to cover up what was in the trunk...a concerted effort to mess with any DNA that was in the trunk. Maybe that is why they haven't gotten specific DNA back and haven't arrested her.

[kakax]

I think it's going to boil down to the dates of the computer searches. Anything before 7/14 says Casey is most likely responsible for the chloroform, anything after....could be George or Cindy.

I've never doubted that the trunk was cleaned and that whoever cleaned it missed the few strands of Caylee's hair. Couldn't use bleach because that would discolor the trunk carpeting. Then George comes up with the Arm & Hammer. He also says the "DNA results will be inconclusive".

I'm just not so sure that chloroform was used for cleaning. The computer searches are going to tell the story.

I'm also thinking that it's an exaggeration to say that the chloroform was still so heavy that it could be smelled upon opening the trunk. Wouldn't that have knocked out the tow truck owner and George?

IMO, the chloroform was found in the air test, in addition to the decomp gasses scents.

I'm no scientist, but I doubt any of the Anthonys are either.

I agree with you...the dates are important. I hadn't heard that until NG last night....she isn't always on the mark. We will just have to see.

[cutiepatootie61]

Not so sure the odor of chloroform would have been detected over the decomp odor, this article says it's a pleasant non-irritating odor.


Chloroform, also called trichloromethane or methyltrichloride,
is a colorless liquid with a pleasant, non-irritating odor and a
slightly sweet taste. As a volatile organic compound (VOC),
chloroform easily vaporizes (turns into a gas) in the air.


http://www.odh.ohio.gov/ASSETS/4E4C506200F04E0AAA96D846ABC09F35/Chloroform%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

[trich]

I read yesterday that the searches on the computer on chloroform occured around the time Caylee went missing.
Now if that is true ...mind you I said if it is true....that means IMO although the chloroform may have been in the house or nearby but that the uses for it were investigated back in June.
Somewhere I have heard that in crime investigations they do not believe in coincendences.
It is very possible that Casey killed Caylee with the chloroform and George and Cindy also used it to try and clean the trunk up.

[ladeebug565]

READ THESE 2 POST BY Takotna AND Shellberry that I just found on another board.

Quote:
Originally posted by Takotna
This just hit me like a ton of bricks -


Flies flew out of the trunk when George and the Towman opened the trunk -

THERE WOULD BE NO FLIES IF THERE WAS CHLOROFORM IN THE TRUNK

My conclusion - The chloroform was introduced to the trunk after George picked it up.

My speculation - G/C used chloroform to clean the trunk.

IMO [/*]
Shellberry Quote

I think that is a great possibility.
I recently read you can use it to kill fire ants and bee/wasp nests.
living in florida, that would be a sure fire way to get rid of them for good if you had a problem.
I really wouldnt find it odd if they made a mix of it or bought some online for that reason....then used it to 'clean up' the car...

imo/jmo

So, it begs the question, when did the internet searches of chloroform occur and did Cindy have access to it in her work as a nurse? I still don't see telling the 911 operator that the trunk smelled like a dead body AND making an attempt to clean it up. This case is beyond strange.

[cutiepatootie61]

So, it begs the question, when did the internet searches of chloroform occur and did Cindy have access to it in her work as a nurse? I still don't see telling the 911 operator that the trunk smelled like a dead body AND making an attempt to clean it up. This case is beyond strange.

The Anthony's had a full 31 hours with the car before LE took it on June 16 at 9:30 PM.

[crymeariver2006]

I went and found my quote from last night cause I just got up and can't put words together yet LOL. But I agree with you...

#159 Yesterday, 09:30 PM
kakax
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Augusta, GA
Posts: 2,314

I wish Nancy Grace had spent more time on the chloroform levels. She said that the smell was overpowering when they opened the trunk. About a week ago, Dr. Koby stated that Chloroform was used in DNA laboratories to somehow split DNA. Makes me wonder if it wasn't ordered to cover up what was in the trunk...a concerted effort to mess with any DNA that was in the trunk. Maybe that is why they haven't gotten specific DNA back and haven't arrested her.

Kobilinsky had already admitted that he had been contacted by Baez. Then Kobilinsky comes up with the DNA extraction theory. Baez wants to use that as an argument to the jury (and/or public) that it was the police who put the chloroform in the car trunk while doing their presumptive testing. That's the impression I got. He later said that it was used in labs (something I had never heard of before).

I strongly believe that IF Kobilinsky has been contacted by the defense, he does not need to be appearing on shows like NG as an "expert TH".

[k_can004]

Good Morning all... today is a new day... very interesting reading so far!

[jerzeegirl]

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080909/Toddler.in.Trunk/

although o/t ........hmmmmm

[n/t]

Why would George mention Arm & Hammer? That really bothers me. Was it a slip? Who keeps laundry detergent in their car? I've been trying to research ingredients in laundry detergents and some do contain an ingredient called triclosan which mixed with chlorine and water can cause chloroform gas.

Here are a couple of links:
http://www.dentist.net/dn-article13.asp

http://www.yourlawyer.com/topics/overview/triclosan

With that said, I couldn't find anything yet stating Arm & Hammer contains this ingredient but I haven't had the time to continue my googling. LOL.


Good Morning! :seeya:

[cutiepatootie61]

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080909/Toddler.in.Trunk/

although o/t ........hmmmmm


:( :rose:

[trich]

I also wanted to add that after reading what Casey's friends said about Caylee sleeping and nothing could wake her up when Casey took her out with her just is more convincing proof she was drugging the child.
I also think Casey just might take the whole family down with her.....I hope if they have been covering up her crime that they all do go down big time.

[emanondeeni]

The Anthony's had a full 31 hours with the car before LE took it on June 16 at 9:30 PM.

And we only have their statements as to what was in the car.

[kakax]

Kobilinsky had already admitted that he had been contacted by Baez. Then Kobilinsky comes up with the DNA extraction theory. Baez wants to use that as an argument to the jury (and/or public) that it was the police who put the chloroform in the car trunk while doing their presumptive testing. That's the impression I got. He later said that it was used in labs (something I had never heard of before).

I strongly believe that IF Kobilinsky has been contacted by the defense, he does not need to be appearing on shows like NG as an "expert TH".

No, he shouldn't. And what I also don't understand is if the smell of decomposition was so great, they could also smell an overwhelming aroma of chloroform? Their noses must be very discerning LOL!! I had originally heard that the chloroform was found by the air test. I wish we had more info about the chloroform...levels, location. Last week I heard they found it in the car..passenger side. I guess its all speculation until we hear it in a court of law.

[morson]

Kobilinsky had already admitted that he had been contacted by Baez. Then Kobilinsky comes up with the DNA extraction theory. Baez wants to use that as an argument to the jury (and/or public) that it was the police who put the chloroform in the car trunk while doing their presumptive testing. That's the impression I got. He later said that it was used in labs (something I had never heard of before).

I strongly believe that IF Kobilinsky has been contacted by the defense, he does not need to be appearing on shows like NG as an "expert TH".

I believe that Dr. K said that chloroform could be used in labs to extract DNA. If that is true, it should not harm/destroy the DNA but may make it harder to actually get DNA from whatever samples they took.

Actually, I do think that it is very likely that G & C used chloroform to clean the trunk of the car. Living with fire ants in FL, increases the likelyhood of them actually having chloroform.

[steffaroob4]

Fly theory:
I think that it would depend on the consentration levels of the chloroform in the car. The levels may have been a hundred times higher than any type of natural level, we just don't know too much at this point. I doubt that the levels were high enough to kill anything if it was 2 or 3 weeks later after trunk being exposed to the chemical. I guess we will just have to wait, do you think they would be able to test the garbage from the dumpster to see if there were traces soaked in any of items in the garbage? I wonder when we will find out the dates of the computer searches. I don't think GA had enough time to put anything in that trunk, do we know where he was on the 15th, did he go to work, after picking up car?

[emanondeeni]

I also wanted to add that after reading what Casey's friends said about Caylee sleeping and nothing could wake her up when Casey took her out with her just is more convincing proof she was drugging the child.
I also think Casey just might take the whole family down with her.....I hope if they have been covering up her crime that they all do go down big time.

Those remarks by her friends are very telling. IMO it is a very rare child that can sleep anywhere a party is going on...if anything, they force themselves to stay awake.

[SavannahStar]

No, he shouldn't. And what I also don't understand is if the smell of decomposition was so great, they could also smell an overwhelming aroma of chloroform? Their noses must be very discerning LOL!! I had originally heard that the chloroform was found by the air test. I wish we had more info about the chloroform...levels, location. Last week I heard they found it in the car..passenger side. I guess its all speculation until we hear it in a court of law.

I think it's definitely all speculation. Since this chloroform news broke, for one thing, I've heard "suspiciously high levels," "high levels," "traces," "huge amounts," etc. :confused: I assumed the info came from the Body Farm testing. Then I heard it was from FBI testing. Then I heard both. So who knows what to believe.

As far as Dr. K going on TH shows after having been contacted by Baez, I don't see that as a problem. We don't know that he is, or will be, hired by the defense. It's my understanding Baez said he was contacting forensic people to explore some things. As can be expected. For all we know LE may have contacted Dr. K as well. Baez could also have contacted other forensic people too....Baden etc. We just don't know. I don't find Dr. K to be acting like he is on one side or the other right now, he's just giving out information. Maybe some of it "we" don't like, so it is therefore suspect?

[kOOkie1]

I cant see Casey knowing much about Chloroform ..although possible.. just doesnt, to me, seem likely. I would think GA&CA used it to mask the decomp. smell. I agree the computer searches are going to be key because ONE of them researched it. Will be interesting how they will "spin" that ~Mannn i wanna know the date!!!!(jmo)

[emanondeeni]

Fly theory:
I think that it would depend on the consentration levels of the chloroform in the car. The levels may have been a hundred times higher than any type of natural level, we just don't know too much at this point. I doubt that the levels were high enough to kill anything if it was 2 or 3 weeks later after trunk being exposed to the chemical. I guess we will just have to wait, do you think they would be able to test the garbage from the dumpster to see if there were traces soaked in any of items in the garbage? I wonder when we will find out the dates of the computer searches. I don't think GA had enough time to put anything in that trunk, do we know where he was on the 15th, did he go to work, after picking up car?

The garbage bag from the trunk has me curious....I would like to know what was in the bag (other than pizza) that would attract flies and maggots. And what kind of flies were they. No one has said. If they were blowflies wouldn't there need to be something that those flies would only be on in there?

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning friends. Interesting discussion about the flies. How the heck could they get into a closed trunk anyway?

Also, didn't we learn that chloroform isn't as dense as oxygen and therefore would be found in the upper part of the trunk, so there could still be air to breathe in the bottom? In other words, the flies could survive in the trunk?

[ccat]

Did anyone notice Casey's attitude yesterday when she was en route to her meeting? She was walking very cocky and confidently. That spoke volumes to e. It seems as though she feels invincible because she probably is confident that she did something to little Caylee that no one can find.

[Regina.Lampert]

I also wanted to add that after reading what Casey's friends said about Caylee sleeping and nothing could wake her up when Casey took her out with her just is more convincing proof she was drugging the child.
I also think Casey just might take the whole family down with her.....I hope if they have been covering up her crime that they all do go down big time.

I agree with all of your points Trich!! I believe I heard that it is possible to trace chloroform ingestion by performing a hair analysis. I sure hope they had enough hair samples to perform this testing of Caylee's hair. IMO.

If not from the hair found in the trunk, then certainly from the possible hair found on the brush they took of Caylees.

[emanondeeni]

Good morning friends. Interesting discussion about the flies. How the heck could they get into a closed trunk anyway?

Also, didn't we learn that chloroform isn't as dense as oxygen and therefore would be found in the upper part of the trunk, so there could still be air to breathe in the bottom? In other words, the flies could survive in the trunk?

If the vapor is more dense than oxygen, it would be at the bottom of the trunk.

[crymeariver2006]

Good morning friends. Interesting discussion about the flies. How the heck could they get into a closed trunk anyway?

Also, didn't we learn that chloroform isn't as dense as oxygen and therefore would be found in the upper part of the trunk, so there could still be air to breathe in the bottom? In other words, the flies could survive in the trunk?


I thought I heard it was heavier than oxygen and would be found at the bottom of the trunk. Oxygen would remain highest at the top of the trunk.

:shrug:

BTW, webcam2 shows wider view of Anthony's yard. For Sale by Owner is in the neighbor's yard.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

[SwFlorida]

Why would George mention Arm & Hammer? That really bothers me. Was it a slip? Who keeps laundry detergent in their car? I've been trying to research ingredients in laundry detergents and some do contain an ingredient called triclosan which mixed with chlorine and water can cause chloroform gas.

Here are a couple of links:
http://www.dentist.net/dn-article13.asp

http://www.yourlawyer.com/topics/overview/triclosan

With that said, I couldn't find anything yet stating Arm & Hammer contains this ingredient but I haven't had the time to continue my googling. LOL.


Good Morning! :seeya:
I cant remember if I ever read whether it was Arm & Hammer Laundry soap or was it Arm & Hammer baking SODA?.. My DH use to be a shrimper and once he had to use my Jeep to haul some shrimp. Long story short.. The Jeep stunk to high heaven. Gross. ,, The only thing we could find to get the smell out was A&H baking soda.. Just a thought to ponder.

[kOOkie1]

Just wondering..soo, Casey is a Person of Interest in the case..is that correct? now..legally is that different from being a Suspect..or is that kind of the same thing?(jmo)

[witchywoman]

Good morning all.Please continue here.A new day and renewed hope Caylee will be found soon.
For Caylee :rose:

Thank you for starting a thread..

Wish i could stay and chat everyone, but ive got to work a lil while, take some calls from the uk, do some tarot readings...

BUT, ill be back as soon as i can...

thanking everyone ahead of time for the links, the info, the 411..thank u everyone for keeping witchy in the know...

chanting Caylee is found:rose:

[steffaroob4]

I agree with all of your points Trich!! I believe I heard that it is possible to trace chloroform ingestion by performing a hair analysis. I sure hope they had enough hair samples to perform this testing of Caylee's hair. IMO.

If not from the hair found in the trunk, then certainly from the possible hair found on the brush they took of Caylees.

Do we know if chloroform can be found in hair? That would interest me, I have been wondering if she used chloroform on those yapping dogs.

I wonder if the garbage was setting outside for a day or two, before being placed in the trunk, I have a hard time figuring out how flies got in the trunk. Do you think if a window was left open a crack, that they could get to the trunk that way?

[crymeariver2006]

Did anyone notice Casey's attitude yesterday when she was en route to her meeting? She was walking very cocky and confidently. That spoke volumes to e. It seems as though she feels invincible because she probably is confident that she did something to little Caylee that no one can find.

As I recall, Scott Peterson also had that same attitude.

;)

[zippy]

Was re-reading Doc last night and was checking card from Sawgrass apts. and noticed the signature card was signed : c- zenaida Gonzale, am I reading this incorrectly?

[bluwaters]

Please Light a Candle for Caylee

Click any unlit candle to start.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose:

[steffaroob4]

I thought I heard it was heavier than oxygen and would be found at the bottom of the trunk. Oxygen would remain highest at the top of the trunk.

:shrug:

BTW, webcam2 shows wider view of Anthony's yard. For Sale by Owner is in the neighbor's yard.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

Oh dear, there goes the neighborhood, this thing needs to end.

[crymeariver2006]

I cant remember if I ever read whether it was Arm & Hammer Laundry soap or was it Arm & Hammer baking SODA?.. My DH use to be a shrimper and once he had to use my Jeep to haul some shrimp. Long story short.. The Jeep stunk to high heaven. Gross. ,, The only thing we could find to get the smell out was A&H baking soda.. Just a thought to ponder.

George said "Arm & Hammer laundry detergent". That was one of those :eek: moments for me.

[emanondeeni]

Did anyone notice Casey's attitude yesterday when she was en route to her meeting? She was walking very cocky and confidently. That spoke volumes to e. It seems as though she feels invincible because she probably is confident that she did something to little Caylee that no one can find.

The high-five got me. I would think Baez would have told her to not to things like that when she's in public.

[onedarksun]

who's the guy in front of the web cam -

[SwFlorida]

George said "Arm & Hammer laundry detergent". That was one of those :eek: moments for me.
Thank you Cry..:seeya:

[bluwaters]

I thought I heard it was heavier than oxygen and would be found at the bottom of the trunk. Oxygen would remain highest at the top of the trunk.

:shrug:

BTW, webcam2 shows wider view of Anthony's yard. For Sale by Owner is in the neighbor's yard.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

That is the shovel neighbor's yard.
Good luck with that!:biggrin:

[farrahrani]

Just wondering..soo, Casey is a Person of Interest in the case..is that correct? now..legally is that different from being a Suspect..or is that kind of the same thing?(jmo)

It's about one step away from being a suspect.

[shelkobe]

I'm behind a thread or two, but can someone tell me where these "counselor" comments are coming from? It was mentioned last night on Nancy Grace that Cindy sought advice from a counselor regarding what to do with her jobless, irresponsible daughter. Who is the source of that information? What kind of counselor are we talking about? Why is a conversation between Cindy and a counselor even being relayed to outsiders?

[bcrmom]

I thought I heard it was heavier than oxygen and would be found at the bottom of the trunk. Oxygen would remain highest at the top of the trunk.

:shrug:

BTW, webcam2 shows wider view of Anthony's yard. For Sale by Owner is in the neighbor's yard.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html


I noticed that that neighbor had a POD in their yard last week.

I think you're right about the oxygen at the top of the trunk cavity. Flies would hang around by the trunk lid. I know even vinegar will kill flies. I learned this trick a long time ago: take a glass 1/2 full of vinegar and place it just underneath a fly who has lighted on a wall or window. The fly is overcome by the fumes and falls into the glass. No more messy fly swatters. :)

I still haven't seen any document that says GA and the tow guy saw flies come out when the trunk was opened. Where did that come from? Was that a Georgism?

[Marianne]

that is a misleadingn description...ok its not like sulphur its thick and nauseaus...you wouldnt go: 'oh isnt this pleasant' but it is more tolerable than ammonia except it goes to your stomach and makes you keal over numb and limp.and you sense it and want to stay away.

So it seems the trunk was cleaned up after George drove it home...smelling the dead body smell and I think Cindy was so horrified by it she could assume anything such as it was Caylee's and Casey had gotten rid of her and that is when and how her hysterics began not realizing how she was also incriminating her daughter which she at once wanted to do but didnt want to lose her.

Pretty absurd of George to think it was someone else's body.

[onedarksun]

Selling a house in Florida By Owner next door to the Anthonys.

Hmmmmm...:confused:

I feel bad for this neighbor -

[crymeariver2006]

Maybe one of those "good deed doers" that want to remain anonymous that hang out at the jail just waiting to bond people out *cough* could buy the house for the searchers who travel to Orlando to stay instead of having to pay for a hotel room on their own dime. (Yes that was a long sentence!)

:shrug:

[Regina.Lampert]

If the vapor is more dense than oxygen, it would be at the bottom of the trunk.

Thanks for straightening me out, you too Cry...I am confused apparently.

Steff, Dr. Kobilinsky said they could analyze hair for chloroform
use, iirc.

[dreamtime]

I'm behind a thread or two, but can someone tell me where these "counselor" comments are coming from? It was mentioned last night on Nancy Grace that Cindy sought advice from a counselor regarding what to do with her jobless, irresponsible daughter. Who is the source of that information? What kind of counselor are we talking about? Why is a conversation between Cindy and a counselor even being relayed to outsiders?

----------------------
I think a local reporter, who said she had a good relationship with Cindy, told the story about the counselor's advice. I got the impression that Cindy told the reporter. But I could be wrong.
Anyone?

I think the counselor's advice was good, For most parents and adult children still living at home situations. But as we have found out, Casey is not like most adult children still living at home.
Casey took Caylee and left, probably to spite Cindy.

[Marianne]

specifically it was mentioned on NG that the chloroform detected was NOT from some chemical combination...Not from urine and alchohol or baking soda and who knows what or any other household solvent...it was in its pure form. if it was part of some cleaning or pesticide formula then the other ingredients would have been detected as well.

[Katt2]

George said "Arm & Hammer laundry detergent". That was one of those :eek: moments for me.

I think it is logical to assume that Casey might have the A&H in her car. She was half living out of it and likely had to use a laundromat for her clothes. I have seen people keep detergent and fabric softener in their cars that frequent laundromats.

[SavannahStar]

I feel bad for this neighbor -

I do too. And "lottsa luck" to him...the housing market in FL is rock bottom. It is very, very difficult to sell a home here. Even at a very low price. I think he's stuck next to the Anthonys for a while.

[Marianne]

I think it is the other way around.

[desmom]

Takotna AND Shellberry have really got me thinking about this and it is totally different than what I have theorized about.

At or about the same time the CH info was "leaked".......Cindy and George hired their own DEFENSE attorney. Funny how they only hired ONE. I wonder which ONE he could really be representing. Also at this time Cindy started using that silly whistle.........as if to say "No Comment".......why all of a sudden NO COMMENT from Cindy?...........

I am just wondering if it is all a coincidence or what? Cindy said she aired out the car but I can remember nothing being said about cleaning the car and especially the trunk. Just George and his Arm & Hammer comments. I am just wondering if the FBI asked her if she used any kind of cleaning compound on the trunk and what her answer may of been. I have always believed LE "leaked" the CH info accidentally on purpose. Maybe just to see what the players in this nightmare would do........Well 2 went to a DEFENSE attorney......

IMO, not a coincidence.

Remember when Cindy rambled on about how LE knew she removed the pants from the car and washed them. It was long after we found out about the pants, LE showed up with a search warrant (8-05-08 warrant) for Casey's clothes. The search warrant stated LE found out about the pants in an 8-04-08 interview with Cindy.

I know there was another incident, but I am still on my first cup of coffee and it is not coming to mind.

IMO, several times Cindy has attempted to make LE look incompetent. It is only later we find out Cindy is trying to do a little cya.

jmo

[dreamtime]

I noticed that that neighbor had a POD in their yard last week.

I think you're right about the oxygen at the top of the trunk cavity. Flies would hang around by the trunk lid. I know even vinegar will kill flies. I learned this trick a long time ago: take a glass 1/2 full of vinegar and place it just underneath a fly who has lighted on a wall or window. The fly is overcome by the fumes and falls into the glass. No more messy fly swatters. :)

I still haven't seen any document that says GA and the tow guy saw flies come out when the trunk was opened. Where did that come from? Was that a Georgism?
===============================

I think decomp flies must do their job they are here for. i.e, get to a body, lay eggs, etc.
I don't even like writing that.

George and tow truck guy info are in the 400 page plus docs.
Or may be in the links thread.

[steffaroob4]

Thank you, you too Cry......looks like I got balled up.

Steff, I am fairly sure Dr. Kobilinsky said hair could be analyzed for chloroform use.

Really, wow, I want to test those dogs:D

I hate reading these documents. I am rereading about the tow yard, looking for the trunk thing.
I am on page 318 (third set page 58) where Mrs. Lett says she hears GA telling Mr. Birch they have just found their daughter, but their granddaughter is missing. I wish there was more from her, that sure is an odd statement to make, at the time of them picking up the car.
We need the indepth interviews from GPs that are missing to fill in some of these blanks.

[bcrmom]

I feel bad for this neighbor -

OMG I do too. They didn't ask for this, nor do they deserve it. :(

I stated this before: I think the neighbor was already planning to move. I think that Pod in his driveway has been there for a while.

I can't imagine trying to sell a house in that market AND having the Anthony's as neighbors. That house wouldn't sell and even if it did the loss would be enormous. Talk about a double-whammy!

[Marianne]

Boy I think I am replying to a specific post only to find it isnt and makes no sense....sorry havent figured this new board out yet.

[ellegna]

Good morning friends. Interesting discussion about the flies. How the heck could they get into a closed trunk anyway?

Also, didn't we learn that chloroform isn't as dense as oxygen and therefore would be found in the upper part of the trunk, so there could still be air to breathe in the bottom? In other words, the flies could survive in the trunk?

Good morning all :seeya:

The trunk may have been closed but it doesn't mean it was air tight. JMHO of course.
Flies will find themselves a way via nooks and crannies to get to decomp.

*********
BTW.....Isn't that For Sale sign on the same neighbor's lawn that intervened when George was tossing the lawn chairs?

[bcrmom]

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I think decomp flies must do their job they are here for. i.e, get to a body, lay eggs, etc.
I don't even like writing that.

George and tow truck guy info are in the 400 page plus docs.
Or may be in the links thread.


I tried to read the docs...kept falling asleep. :( I was just wondering if the tow truck guy actually said he saw the flies or if that was strictly from George's mouth.

[crymeariver2006]

For sale sign is gone now.

Maybe someone in the media bought it?

:shrug:

[SwFlorida]

I am leaving today and will be gone for a few (4-6) weeks. Going trucking with DH. He won't be D by the time I get back.. Hopefully Caylee will be home when I get back. Bye :seeya:

[emanondeeni]

Really, wow, I want to test those dogs:D

I hate reading these documents. I am rereading about the tow yard, looking for the trunk thing.
I am on page 318 (third set page 58) where Mrs. Lett says she hears GA telling Mr. Birch they have just found their daughter, but their granddaughter is missing. I wish there was more from her, that sure is an odd statement to make, at the time of them picking up the car.
We need the indepth interviews from GPs that are missing to fill in some of these blanks.

I'm glad you brought this up.....this has been bothering me...how could George know his granddaughter was missing when he was at the tow yard when Cindy didn't even locate Casey until AFTER the car was back at their house that afternoon?

[CinTN]

I believe that Dr. K said that chloroform could be used in labs to extract DNA. If that is true, it should not harm/destroy the DNA but may make it harder to actually get DNA from whatever samples they took.

Actually, I do think that it is very likely that G & C used chloroform to clean the trunk of the car. Living with fire ants in FL, increases the likelyhood of them actually having chloroform.

GOOD MORNING ,,

I have a comment on this CH to kill fire ants and such ..

I lived in florida for just over 20 years and I can tell you for a fact I have NEVER heard of that stuff being used to kill fire ants, wasps, flies,, from ANYBODY .. Or used for cleaning..

I think its a crock of you know what ..

They talk about it likes its an everyday occurrence down there and everyone does it/ uses it all the time ,,, I can tell you its not...

[desmom]

I agree with you...the dates are important. I hadn't heard that until NG last night....she isn't always on the mark. We will just have to see.

I agree.

NG does have a way of exaggerating info, but she has also been a great source for info LE has not released to the public. (Remember the banner on her show reporting Melinda Duckett was being investigated for BOA theft.)

I do believe there was a positive for chloroform in the trunk. I don't believe it was an overpowering odor.

jmo

[crymeariver2006]

I am leaving today and will be gone for a few (4-6) weeks. Going trucking with DH. He won't be D by the time I get back.. Hopefully Caylee will be home when I get back. Bye :seeya:

Aren't you taking a laptop with you?

:eek:

Happy trails to you and DH! Hopefully by the time you get back, this one will be all wrapped up!

:seeya:

[bcrmom]

I'm glad you brought this up.....this has been bothering me...how could George know his granddaughter was missing when he was at the tow yard when Cindy didn't even locate Casey until AFTER the car was back at their house that afternoon?

Yep, that's been asked a LOT. Just one more reason everyone's HinkyMeter goes off when George opens his mouth.

[steffaroob4]

----------------------
I think a local reporter, who said she had a good relationship with Cindy, told the story about the counselor's advice. I got the impression that Cindy told the reporter. But I could be wrong.
Anyone?

I think the counselor's advice was good, For most parents and adult children still living at home situations. But as we have found out, Casey is not like most adult children still living at home.
Casey took Caylee and left, probably to spite Cindy.


I thought it was our Monday leak from LE, but I seem to recall hearing the story before, so maybe it was from Cindy. Does anyone remember hearing part of the story before?

[crymeariver2006]

I'm glad you brought this up.....this has been bothering me...how could George know his granddaughter was missing when he was at the tow yard when Cindy didn't even locate Casey until AFTER the car was back at their house that afternoon?


Exactly!

Unless they knew before 7/15 and were going along with this crazy scheme of Casey's to look for Caylee on her own.

They sure had a lot of info to tell Lee about Zaneida: who her parents were, what kind of car she drove, who bought the car. You know, stuff you always take the time to find out from the person who's kidnapping your child.

[CinTN]

Looks like GA is doing some yard work ,, huuummmm ,,,lol

Did anyone see if they tossed or kept the stuffed animals that were in the yard lastnight?:shrug:

[bcrmom]

Exactly!

Unless they knew before 7/15 and were going along with this crazy scheme of Casey's to look for Caylee on her own.

They sure had a lot of info to tell Lee about Zaneida: who her parents were, what kind of car she drove, who bought the car. You know, stuff you always take the time to find out from the person who's kidnapping your child.

I haven't heard anyone ask NG this question yet. Cry, why don't ya call her tonight and ask her? Huh, will ya? huh? huh? Will ya?:seeya:

[onedarksun]

OMG I do too. They didn't ask for this, nor do they deserve it. :(

I stated this before: I think the neighbor was already planning to move. I think that Pod in his driveway has been there for a while.

I can't imagine trying to sell a house in that market AND having the Anthony's as neighbors. That house wouldn't sell and even if it did the loss would be enormous. Talk about a double-whammy!

can you imagine the people who actually come to look at the house not knowing the background story...?

[crymeariver2006]

I thought it was our Monday leak from LE, but I seem to recall hearing the story before, so maybe it was from Cindy. Does anyone remember hearing part of the story before?

IIRC, it was told by Rick in his posts at Topix.

That's where I heard it anyways. Tied right in with the "fight" either on Father's day or that weekend and Grandma's stolen money.

[cutiepatootie61]

Pg. 204 of the documents...


George Anthony and Mr. Birch went to the trunk in an attempt to locate the source of the odor. GA opened trunk and saw a white garbage bag in the trunk. Flies came out of the trunk. Mr. Birch opened the garbage bag and observed several papers, a pizza bag and maggots.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

[emanondeeni]

Exactly!

Unless they knew before 7/15 and were going along with this crazy scheme of Casey's to look for Caylee on her own.

They sure had a lot of info to tell Lee about Zaneida: who her parents were, what kind of car she drove, who bought the car. You know, stuff you always take the time to find out from the person who's kidnapping your child.

Gives a new meaning to the overheard 911 statement no, I've already given you a month. jmo

[cutiepatootie61]

I'm glad you brought this up.....this has been bothering me...how could George know his granddaughter was missing when he was at the tow yard when Cindy didn't even locate Casey until AFTER the car was back at their house that afternoon?

How did George know to bring a can of gas with him when he retrieved the car?

[steffaroob4]

===============================

I think decomp flies must do their job they are here for. i.e, get to a body, lay eggs, etc.
I don't even like writing that.

George and tow truck guy info are in the 400 page plus docs.
Or may be in the links thread.


Well, if Caylee was in the backyard for a few days, then placed in the trunk, couldn't fly larva get in the trunk that way? I am wondering if the timeline in my head is wrong.
What if she was buried in GPs backyard on day that shovel was borrowed and removed a few days later.

[crymeariver2006]

I haven't heard anyone ask NG this question yet. Cry, why don't ya call her tonight and ask her? Huh, will ya? huh? huh? Will ya?:seeya:

I've tried calling and can't ever get thru. I also want someone to ask if the court can be petitioned to appoint a guardian for Caylee to stop people from making money off her photos and videos.

[steffaroob4]

I still haven't seen any document that says GA and the tow guy saw flies come out when the trunk was opened. Where did that come from? Was that a Georgism?

Page 316, From Birch, tow yard guy,
Flies also came out of the trunk.

[CinTN]

CAM ACTION

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[onedarksun]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live5pm6pm.html


story coming up next

morning ckrd -

[SavannahStar]

I've tried calling and can't ever get thru. I also want someone to ask if the court can be petitioned to appoint a guardian for Caylee to stop people from making money off her photos and videos.

Won't ever happen. I already posted what one Florida GAL said about that.

For one thing, heartbreaking as it is, Caylee is presumed dead. GALs are not assigned to presumed dead children OR children missing this length of time.

[bcrmom]

GOOD MORNING ,,

I have a comment on this CH to kill fire ants and such ..

I lived in florida for just over 20 years and I can tell you for a fact I have NEVER heard of that stuff being used to kill fire ants, wasps, flies,, from ANYBODY .. Or used for cleaning..

I think its a crock of you know what ..

They talk about it likes its an everyday occurrence down there and everyone does it/ uses it all the time ,,, I can tell you its not...

It's totally a crock. You're right IMO

Take the fact that chloroform was in the trunk.
A dead body was in the same trunk.
Casey drove the car with the same trunk.
Someone researched chloroform on Casey's computer.
Casey was the last one seen with Caylee.

Oh, yeah. That adds up to someone using it for bugkiller, right? LOL

I vaguely remember a case I saw on TV where the defense proved, or tried to prove, can't recall, that a trunk had been replaced on a car as a way to explain that the defendant didn't put a dead body in his trunk. Hmmmm wonder if the Anthony's will try that excuse next. Seems to me they're running through almost-possible theories pretty fast.

[emanondeeni]

How did George know to bring a can of gas with him when he retrieved the car?

He's either always prepared for potential scenarios involving Casey and the car or someone told him it was out of gas. moo

[steffaroob4]

I'm glad you brought this up.....this has been bothering me...how could George know his granddaughter was missing when he was at the tow yard when Cindy didn't even locate Casey until AFTER the car was back at their house that afternoon?


On page 316, Birch gives a different story, he says Casey was missing and would NOT let them see Caylee. I would like more indepth reports for some of these people, it gets so confusing. Maybe Mrs. Lett overheard it wrong???

[crymeariver2006]

CAM ACTION

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Whose truck is that?

[desmom]

I tried to read the docs...kept falling asleep. :( I was just wondering if the tow truck guy actually said he saw the flies or if that was strictly from George's mouth.

Page 56 of Set 2 of the 400 page documents - the flies is a statement, not a quote from George or the tow company employee -

Files also came out of the trunk. Mr. Birch opened the garbage bag and observed several papers, a pizza box and maggots.

Interesting Mr. Birch did not notice the Arm & Hammer that George spoke of later.

jmo

[spageddy]

As I recall, Scott Peterson also had that same attitude.

;)

Did anyone notice Casey's attitude yesterday when she was en route to her meeting? She was walking very cocky and confidently. That spoke volumes to e. It seems as though she feels invincible because she probably is confident that she did something to little Caylee that no one can find.

Good morning All!:seeya: I'm still figuring out the new format- so forgive me please if I screw up. I'll probably have to go read some directions or faqs or something. sigh.

I did notice her cocky attitude, and IMO kind of inappropriate dress for the occasion. That may be just me tho'. Maybe Casey's perfectly ok in her "florida casual" look. I am just SO glad that her pink cap had NY on it and not a B !:lol:

[bcrmom]

I still haven't seen any document that says GA and the tow guy saw flies come out when the trunk was opened. Where did that come from? Was that a Georgism?

Page 316, From Birch, tow yard guy,
Flies also came out of the trunk.

Thank you, sweetie. Well, that takes care of that. That's ONE thing I can't blame on George. LOL

[steffaroob4]

GOOD MORNING ,,

I have a comment on this CH to kill fire ants and such ..

I lived in florida for just over 20 years and I can tell you for a fact I have NEVER heard of that stuff being used to kill fire ants, wasps, flies,, from ANYBODY .. Or used for cleaning..

I think its a crock of you know what ..

They talk about it likes its an everyday occurrence down there and everyone does it/ uses it all the time ,,, I can tell you its not...


I lived there too, with my mother who is a nurse and have never heard of it either. We had awful ant issues.

[desmom]

I am leaving today and will be gone for a few (4-6) weeks. Going trucking with DH. He won't be D by the time I get back.. Hopefully Caylee will be home when I get back. Bye :seeya:

:seeya: Be safe and hope you can check in with us.

[jammies]

camera stuck............again.

[crymeariver2006]

Page 56 of Set 2 of the 400 page documents - the flies is a statement, not a quote from George or the tow company employee -

Files also came out of the trunk. Mr. Birch opened the garbage bag and observed several papers, a pizza box and maggots.

Interesting Mr. Birch did not notice the Arm & Hammer that George spoke of later.

jmo

Exactly. I bet George never mentioned it to the police either.

[shelkobe]

----------------------
I think a local reporter, who said she had a good relationship with Cindy, told the story about the counselor's advice. I got the impression that Cindy told the reporter. But I could be wrong.
Anyone?

I think the counselor's advice was good, For most parents and adult children still living at home situations. But as we have found out, Casey is not like most adult children still living at home.
Casey took Caylee and left, probably to spite Cindy.
Thanks for the info. Maybe we'll hear more as the day goes on.

Did you hear what the therapist TH on Grace said? Her advice, directed to grandparents in that situaton, is to set the wheels in motion to get guardianship of the child before confronting your child. I guess this is not the advice that Cindy was given since she confronted Casey first. How sad for Caylee.

[~jomomma~]

morning all!

wonder what's going on at the house!

anybody heard?

[steffaroob4]

IIRC, it was told by Rick in his posts at Topix.

That's where I heard it anyways. Tied right in with the "fight" either on Father's day or that weekend and Grandma's stolen money.

Thanks, I am getting so confused with this case.

[jammies]

Great advice but just HOW do you set the wheels in motion w/o the parent knowledge? Don't believe the courts will just take a GP's word about someone being a bad parent.

[Pooh]

morning all!

wonder what's going on at the house!

anybody heard?
Looks like they're cleaning out the car. Hummmmm....maybe a road trip is in their future?? :D

[crymeariver2006]

Thanks for the info. Maybe we'll hear more as the day goes on.

Did you hear what the therapist TH on Grace said? Her advice, directed to grandparents in that situaton, is to set the wheels in motion to get guardianship of the child before confronting your child. I guess this is not the advice that Cindy was given since she confronted Casey first. How sad for Caylee.


It's probably the same advice Cindy was given by the counselor. Unfortunately, Cindy does not follow advice well. We all have witnessed her inability to keep silent.

[Wildrose]

morning all!

wonder what's going on at the house!

anybody heard? looks like ga is taking things out of his car and cleaning it out

[CinTN]

Whose truck is that?

Ga was pushing around a little yard cart,, taking things out to the trash bag you can kinda see at the end of the driveway,, now it looks like he is cleaning out his car,,

wonder if he is using A&H or CH ... :biggrin:

[CinTN]

Hey heres a thought MAYBE LE should take that vacuum in and check it out,, check the filter,, if they did clean out the car/trunk ... JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Ga was pushing around a little yard cart,, taking things out to the trash bag you can kinda see at the end of the driveway,, now it looks like he is cleaning out his car,,

wonder if he is using A&H or CH ... :biggrin:

Trash bag probably has the stuffed animals and flowers that the protesters left last night.

[Broderick]

Ga was pushing around a little yard cart,, taking things out to the trash bag you can kinda see at the end of the driveway,, now it looks like he is cleaning out his car,,

wonder if he is using A&H or CH ... :biggrin:


With all the money they are raking in, he should go out and get himself a new truck. It would relieve some of his stress that is causing his violent nature to rise to the top.

[cutiepatootie61]

Hey heres a thought MAYBE LE should take that vacuum in and check it out,, check the filter,, if they did clean out the car/trunk ... JMO

Good Point, but I wonder if the car was really cleaned that well... There were still hairs and soil found in the trunk, if the family cleaned the car, why would they have left these behind?

[ccat]

Good morning All!:seeya: I'm still figuring out the new format- so forgive me please if I screw up. I'll probably have to go read some directions or faqs or something. sigh.

I did notice her cocky attitude, and IMO kind of inappropriate dress for the occasion. That may be just me tho'. Maybe Casey's perfectly ok in her "florida casual" look. I am just SO glad that her pink cap had NY on it and not a B !:lol:

That coupled with the terribly disrespectful way she spoke to her mother on the phone makes mr despise her. In addition, the way her mother walked on eggs after she spoke so disrespectfully to her makes me ILL!

[spageddy]

I think the date of the internet searches for chloro would be important. Before or After Caylee goes missing? I'm still of the opinion that it was used in subduing/killing Caylee. Although, those mult-tasking Ant's may have seen a use for it AFTER as well. I meant Anthony's- not ants.
But killing ants? I mean fire ants-A little bit over the top I'd say... but then again...
with Geo. one never knows- do one.
Boy, I'm confusing my own self. Sorry folks. It's early.

[emanondeeni]

Thanks for the info. Maybe we'll hear more as the day goes on.

Did you hear what the therapist TH on Grace said? Her advice, directed to grandparents in that situaton, is to set the wheels in motion to get guardianship of the child before confronting your child. I guess this is not the advice that Cindy was given since she confronted Casey first. How sad for Caylee.

If Cindy would have let Casey face charges for the theft of the grandparents money, she might have been able to have guardianship of Caylee while Casey was serving time. jmo

[Broderick]

Hey heres a thought MAYBE LE should take that vacuum in and check it out,, check the filter,, if they did clean out the car/trunk ... JMO

You would think they would have done that especially if there were any indications that the car was scrubbed prior to seizure by law enforcement.

[newbiee]

Wow, like the new board. Now it'll take me until next year to get used to them.

Has anyone heard from the searchers that went this weekend?

[crymeariver2006]

Hey heres a thought MAYBE LE should take that vacuum in and check it out,, check the filter,, if they did clean out the car/trunk ... JMO

I'm sure, even if they were asked point blank, Cindy nor George ever admitted to cleaning or removing anything from the car. They only found out about the pants because somebody slipped up and went "off script". IMO

Wasn't there a case one time where LE would pick up the garbage bags from the truck as soon as it got around the corner from the suspect's house?

[trich]

If chloroform was created by chemical reaction (chlorine & acetone or alcohol), other compounds form as well and can/will be detected. Chlorofom by itself has to be purchased. Why would someone use pure chloroform as a cleaning agent? The only reason would be potential destruction of DNA. It depends on the search dates, but use of chloroform in this case points to something nefarious IMO (activity to cover up a crime, or drugging/murdering an innocent child).

The thing about the fire ants really irritates me. I live in Florida, and have battled many a fire ant mound (as have many friends and neighbors). I have NEVER heard of anyone using chloroform for this. Not even a passing mention of it. A search of google groups yields almost no mention of this method either. There are many mound drenches and granular treatments specifically for fire ants that actually work. There is no need to buy an illegal chemical from laboratory supply vendors to deal with ants. I can't see it IMO. :shrug:

I totally agree.

I live in South Alabama and we deal with fire ants on a daily basis and never have I ever heard of using chloroform to kill them.
Not like you can drive down to the local Lowe's or HD and buy it over the counter any how.

I would love to see a raise of hands of Florida residents who have chlorform sitting in their garage and use it on their mounds of fire ants. LOL

[FrankieBones1]

Ga was pushing around a little yard cart,, taking things out to the trash bag you can kinda see at the end of the driveway,, now it looks like he is cleaning out his car,,

wonder if he is using A&H or CH ... :biggrin:
Mine is still showing a nighttime screen. Maybe I need a new link.

[onedarksun]

is that GA in the garage?

[CinTN]

Good Point, but I wonder if the car was really cleaned that well... There were still hairs and soil found in the trunk, if the family cleaned the car, why would they have left these behind?

Well we honestly dont know how much dirt was in the trunk ,, shop vacs work well but not that well,, could have been ground into the fibers of the carpet,, I say take the shop vac,, hose and all the attachments and look them over,,,

If he used any sort of baking soda to clean out the trunk they would have to vacuum it out...

[newbiee]

Mine is still showing a nighttime screen. Maybe I need a new link.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

hurry something going on

[FrankieBones1]

Wow, like the new board. Now it'll take me until next year to get used to them.

Has anyone heard from the searchers that went this weekend?The searchers have a page on this board. It's quite interesting.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=339422

Thanks for the link to Cam 2, Newbie. I was using Cam 1 and it was sadly outdated.

[firefly75]

is that GA in the garage?

yes, I think he is cleaning

[steffaroob4]

Mine is still showing a nighttime screen. Maybe I need a new link.


http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

[Pooh]

is that GA in the garage?
Yeah -he's been a busy boy this morning. :)

[firefly75]

Probably Casey leaving for her day long meeting (vacation) with Jose.
mabey her "date" with Jose

[spageddy]

Mine is still showing a nighttime screen. Maybe I need a new link.

Is that a hint, Frankie? They didn't take it.
Hey guys? My cam is still dark too.

[Motomom]

Probably Casey leaving for her day long meeting (vacation) with Jose.

Yeah, it's absurd IMO that she is allowed to go see him everyday for that length of time. Lawyer or not, she's on house arrest and that's where she should be.

I'm starting to think that if searches aren't going to continue right now due to water, they need to focus on charging Casey, getting all of these results back. Are there any other searches going on? I think her little body is in J blanchard park, I think that's where they will find her.

[Motomom]

Is that a hint, Frankie? They didn't take it.
Hey guys? My cam is still dark too.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

[ccat]

If Cindy would have let Casey face charges for the theft of the grandparents money, she might have been able to have guardianship of Caylee while Casey was serving time. jmo

ITA. But Cindy probably made an excuse for her, upon reflection.

I have a cousin like that. She robs (ie, breaks into house!) her grandmother, and her grandmother makes excuses for her saying, "Well, she was desperate." Her grandmother even bought her a house!

My only explanation is that grandma wants to be well-thought-of when she's gone. But she is the ultimate enabler.

[Pooh]

Yeah, it's absurd IMO that she is allowed to go see him everyday for that length of time. Lawyer or not, she's on house arrest and that's where she should be.

I'm starting to think that if searches aren't going to continue right now due to water, they need to focus on charging Casey, getting all of these results back. Are there any other searches going on? I think her little body is in J blanchard park, I think that's where they will find her.

I agree. Did you see the video of her being searched before entering the office building? She acted like she couldn't be bothered. She's one for the record books.

[EGirl]

Huh?? The webcam I see shows George washing his car??

That's what I see.... GA washing the car???

[msgatorslayer]

Probably Casey leaving for her day long meeting (vacation) with Jose.

G'morning all.

I'm kinda hoping the next time she's arrested it will be at Jose's office. I'm nosey and dying to know whats in her backpack, lmao.

[Destini]

If it's true that Cindy was going to try to get custody of Caylee & a blowup happened on Father's Day, I'm wondering if the next day Cindy took off work to talk to someone about it.

And knowing now about George's temper & Casey's smart mouth, does anyone believe there weren't sparks flying between Casey & her dad that Monday? Not me. I can envision quite a scene with Casey screaming & throwing around the F word, George yelling and probably threatening her, Caylee crying .... oh lordy, that poor baby. :cuss:

[barskin&co.]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

George coming out of the garage!

[Pooh]

If it's true that Cindy was going to try to get custody of Caylee & a blowup happened on Father's Day, I'm wondering if the next day Cindy took off work to talk to someone about it.

And knowing now about George's temper & Casey's smart mouth, does anyone believe there weren't sparks flying between Casey & her dad that Monday? Not me. I can envision quite a scene with Casey screaming & throwing around the F word, George yelling and probably threatening her, Caylee crying .... oh lordy, that poor baby. :cuss:
Very good point. George painted a picture that everything was fine on that Monday afternoon with Caylee bouncing around with her backpack all ready to go out for the day. I bet there were a lot of hard feelings still there come Monday. imo

[Justice_Dawg]

Seems chloroform knocks out flies.

Rapid freezing method:
Place a cage of flies in a killing jar (rectangular chromatographic jar, containing a cotton-wool pad soaked in chloroform) until knockdown, plus 30 seconds.

http://www.ilri.org/InfoServ/Webpub/Fulldocs/LivProd/chapter23.htm

[barskin&co.]

John Lovitz look a alike standing down the street. George is staring!

[onedarksun]

George coming out of the garage!

i wonder if GA will be using the hose on the reporters and gawkers this morning....

[newbiee]

Huh?? The webcam I see shows George washing his car??

Sorry Chicago, when i first clicked on it, I saw George and quickly copied the url and posted it in a hurry. Guess I should have waited to see what he was doing.hammerhammer

[Motomom]

I agree. Did you see the video of her being searched before entering the office building? She acted like she couldn't be bothered. She's one for the record books.

Oh she really makes me sick, that's for sure!! I can't stand to look at her mug and the longer this goes on, the more I despise her. And after that high five with Lee, well he's not ranked real high on my list either. I do feel for the gps, however their actions and behaviors leave a bit to be desired. I feel the worse for GA because he's about to blow. He is ex LE, he knows these lies are what they are. I would not have had her back into my home. Unless they are thinking she'll open up to them. When I see Casey Anthony, I feel the need for physical violence, I really do, I know that's horrible but what she has done is beyond reprehensible.

[SandyO]

If Cindy would have let Casey face charges for the theft of the grandparents money, she might have been able to have guardianship of Caylee while Casey was serving time. jmo

If Cindy wanted to kick Casey out and keep guardianship of Caylee, just look what she ended up with ----- she's got Casey and no Caylee.

[barskin&co.]

Very good point. George painted a picture that everything was fine on that Monday afternoon with Caylee bouncing around with her backpack all ready to go out for the day. I bet there were a lot of hard feelings still there come Monday. imo

I liked how he talked about how it was just a regular day, with "Casey leaving for work."

[spageddy]

Thanks everyone who responded with a new link. I tried (& failed) to delete my "hint" :)
Is he washing off the "find Caylee " stuff?

[Mint_Julep]

Probably Casey leaving for her day long meeting (vacation) with Jose.

Does the Court in OC have a web site where they list what cases are coming up and who the attorney is? If so, it would be interesting to see if Baez spends any time in Court while he and Casey are supposed to be "discussing" her case.

[steffaroob4]

Do you really think they need all the phone numbers on the car windows? Why would they still have those numers on there, are those the numbers for LE?
They make their vehicles stick out like a sore-thumb, I would think the door magnets would be enough. MOO

I am waiting for GA to hose us down for snooping.

[salvarenga]

I agree.

NG does have a way of exaggerating info, but she has also been a great source for info LE has not released to the public. (Remember the banner on her show reporting Melinda Duckett was being investigated for BOA theft.)

I do believe there was a positive for chloroform in the trunk. I don't believe it was an overpowering odor.

jmo

Yes she does have a tendency to exaggerate. Perfect example, last year a home daycare in my state was shut down after police received a tip there were drugs in the home. The police confiscated less than 1 pound of marijauna.

When NG reported on this story, she told the story like it was tons of marijuana. She even had a graphic up during the show that showed a warehouse with bales and bales of confiscated marijauna.

[jbellaj]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live5pm6pm.html


story coming up next


:seeya: Morning girlfriend

[sickntired]

G'morning all.

I'm kinda hoping the next time she's arrested it will be at Jose's office. I'm nosey and dying to know whats in her backpack, lmao.

:chicken: It's probably the script she got from Zeniada (sp?)

[joolz]

Did anyone notice Casey's attitude yesterday when she was en route to her meeting? She was walking very cocky and confidently. That spoke volumes to e. It seems as though she feels invincible because she probably is confident that she did something to little Caylee that no one can find.


I've been worried for awhile now that she did exactly that - and that a body will never be found.

This was probably asked and answered before, but do alligators eat animals/people that are already dead? And if so, do they eat bones?

Sorry to be so graphic, but I don't know any other way to put it.:(

[farrahrani]

I think it is logical to assume that Casey might have the A&H in her car. She was half living out of it and likely had to use a laundromat for her clothes. I have seen people keep detergent and fabric softener in their cars that frequent laundromats.

Yes, I've done the same, before my washer and dryer were installed in my old house.

However, Casey doesn't strike me as the type to shell out her "non hard earned money" to go the laundry or even buy the detergent, when her parents have facilities right there, and she was in and out all the time. IMO.

[jbellaj]

I feel bad for this neighbor -

:seeya: hey friend

[shelkobe]

**snip** Maybe Casey's perfectly ok in her "florida casual" look. I am just SO glad that her pink cap had NY on it and not a B !:lol:
I showed my husband one of those pics and said, "Look, another reason to hate the Yankees." ;)

[bcrmom]

ITA. But Cindy probably made an excuse for her, upon reflection.

I have a cousin like that. She robs (ie, breaks into house!) her grandmother, and her grandmother makes excuses for her saying, "Well, she was desperate." Her grandmother even bought her a house!

My only explanation is that grandma wants to be well-thought-of when she's gone. But she is the ultimate enabler.


I think some parents and grandparents these days are justifiably scared of their kids. We see news reports frequently where some girl and her bf killed the whole family because the parents said they couldn't see each other any more.

Some boy shoots his mother because she wouldn't give him money and told him to get a job.

A girl killed her grandmother because she caught the gd stealing from her purse.

Kids these days can be quite out of control and it seems like some parents can't DO anything about them. The law protects the kids' rights, not the parents' rights to discipline them.

I can see where parents may be scared of their kids and try to walk on eggshells out of fear cuz they don't know where or how to get help with/for them. They don't know about any resources available for such troubled kids. IMO and all that.

[Pooh]

I liked how he talked about how it was just a regular day, with "Casey leaving for work."
LOL! Yeah, that statement was priceless. We all know better. Shame on him for not knowing better. Then AND now.....

[chrissybot]

I totally agree.

I live in South Alabama and we deal with fire ants on a daily basis and never have I ever heard of using chloroform to kill them.
Not like you can drive down to the local Lowe's or HD and buy it over the counter any how.

I would love to see a raise of hands of Florida residents who have chlorform sitting in their garage and use it on their mounds of fire ants. LOL

I don't have fire ants here, wouldn't a can a raid kill them or do you have special bug spray for fire ants?? Good Morning everyone.:seeya:

[Broderick]

Good resolution picture of Casey smiling and high fiving her brother.

http://glosslip.com/2008/09/08/casey-anthony-high-fives-brother-as-caylee-still-missing-presumed-dead/

[newbiee]

I wish Mr. Reporter dude would move out from infront of the camera.:cuss:

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

[steffaroob4]

Speaking of the new format, does anyone know where the ignore button is now? I can't find it.Thanks

user CP on top of page, gives you edit ignore list, where you can add people

[onedarksun]

onedark--check your pms

back at ya -

[emanondeeni]

Speaking of the new format, does anyone know where the ignore button is now? I can't find it.Thanks

It's in your userCP section.

[FrankieBones1]

This excerpt is from a Zoo site...
What do alligators eat? How often?
Alligators eat potato chips, marshmallows, burned wieners; anything that splashes in the water near them that looks and smells like food. (They really don't know people can be food.....yet!) They normally eat fish, turtles, frogs, crayfish, birds, and mammals such as raccoons, opossums, armadillos, rabbits, and even sometimes deer...not people. They also eat shotgun shells, beer cans, fishing corks, and rocks. Because alligators are "cold blooded" they use food mainly for growth and repair, and reproduction. The can probably go for a year or so without eating if they had to. During the "winter" they are not known to eat at all.
======
I'll keep searching for wild alligators....
Back soon

[desmom]

Speaking of the new format, does anyone know where the ignore button is now? I can't find it.Thanks

Click on the person's name in a post, a drop box comes down. Click on "View Public Profile". This will take you to a new page. Under their name are 2 options - "Send message" or "User's List" with little white triangles next to them. Click on the "User's List" and click on the "Add to Ignore List" option.

[bballgrl]

After seeing Nancy last night and they were talking about how she stole money from her grandparents, it just screams out drug problem to me for some reason. I am really starting to wonder about the tests back from the labs that indicate a dead body, I just don't get why they don't charge her if they evidence of a dead Caylee, makes me wonder if they really do. moo

Actually, a drug problem would make sense on many levels. It could (probably doesn't.. but COULD) explain why Casey was saying that Caylee was in trouble. That she knew who had her and couldn't say.. etc. If she owed money to a drug dealer and didn't pay up, said drug dealer could have had her daughter kidnapped to make her pay. This is a possibility, but does not explain the decomp in the trunk.. chloroform etc.. :shrug:

[bcrmom]

I wish Mr. Reporter dude would move out from infront of the camera.:cuss:

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

I may be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, but I think that guy is the RE agent trying to sell the house next door to the Anthony's. He's a camera hawg! I think he's trying to sell the house to the camera men and reporters.:rolleyes:

[crymeariver2006]

I think some parents and grandparents these days are justifiably scared of their kids. We see news reports frequently where some girl and her bf killed the whole family because the parents said they couldn't see each other any more.

Some boy shoots his mother because she wouldn't give him money and told him to get a job.

A girl killed her grandmother because she caught the gd stealing from her purse.

Kids these days can be quite out of control and it seems like some parents can't DO anything about them. The law protects the kids' rights, not the parents' rights to discipline them.

I can see where parents may be scared of their kids and try to walk on eggshells out of fear cuz they don't know where or how to get help with/for them. They don't know about any resources available for such troubled kids. IMO and all that.

But if George and Cindy are scared of Casey, why in the sam hill did they shell out $50,000 to bring her back to their house? Weren't they feeling just a little safer with her in jail?

:shrug:

[newbiee]

Am I doing something wrong, whenever I refresh, it always takes me back to my post. Didn't it use to take you to the same post and you could just start reading from there?:shrug:

[onedarksun]

:seeya: hey friend


good morning jbellaj

ck your pm

[FrankieBones1]

And now the wild ones in Florida...

What do alligators eat?
Alligators primarily hunt at dusk or during the night. They lay motionless in wait for prey. Their prey selection seems to be determined primarily by size. An alligator's diet depends on what is available to it, which means it will eat just about anything including fish, frogs, birds, turtles, insects, snakes, small mammals, other alligators, white-tailed deer, wild hogs, and sometimes people's pets. Once the prey is caught, it is typically swallowed whole. Alligators have tremendously powerful jaws that can crush turtle shells and the bones of small mammals. A flap in their throat allows alligators to capture prey underwater without water entering their breathing passages.
When prey animals are too large to be swallowed whole (deer, wild hogs), the alligator will stash its kill underwater, pinning it under a submerged log or anywhere it can be wedged in for safe keeping. The alligator must then wait until the prey animal's hide is rotted and soft enough for the alligator to tear off chunks. Alligator teeth are designed for crushing and for a strong grip on prey. They are not sharp teeth like a bobcat or a wolf have for tearing meat

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/uw230

[msgatorslayer]

I don't have fire ants here, wouldn't a can a raid kill them or do you have special bug spray for fire ants?? Good Morning everyone.:seeya:

There are special granules to spread on your lawn for fire ants. And the cost isn't nearly as much as chloro, lol.

I've never heard of anyone using that for fire ants. Then again, I'm sure not everyone has heard of using grocery store bought 'grits' to get rid of fire ants. Inexpensive, and when the ants eat it, their tummy's expand and they die.

[Destini]

Very good point. George painted a picture that everything was fine on that Monday afternoon with Caylee bouncing around with her backpack all ready to go out for the day. I bet there were a lot of hard feelings still there come Monday. imo

I wish we knew when Cindy confronted Casey about wanting to get custody. If it was that Sunday or Monday, no, I just cannot imagine things were fine around that house & there was not chaos as she was trying to leave .... unless George was just doing like some men do & pretending it wasn't happening & if you ignore it, it'll go away. But I have a feeling Casey was livid & I bet George wanted to smack her, just my opinion.

Makes me not believe anything George says ....

[Mint_Julep]

Am I doing something wrong, whenever I refresh, it always takes me back to my post. Didn't it use to take you to the same post and you could just start reading from there?:shrug:

I've noticed the same thing and thought it was just me. :shrug:

[jammies]

Looks like just another normal day in the Anthony household.

ho hum la de da

[joolz]

This excerpt is from a Zoo site...
What do alligators eat? How often?
Alligators eat potato chips, marshmallows, burned wieners; anything that splashes in the water near them that looks and smells like food. (They really don't know people can be food.....yet!) They normally eat fish, turtles, frogs, crayfish, birds, and mammals such as raccoons, opossums, armadillos, rabbits, and even sometimes deer...not people. They also eat shotgun shells, beer cans, fishing corks, and rocks. Because alligators are "cold blooded" they use food mainly for growth and repair, and reproduction. The can probably go for a year or so without eating if they had to. During the "winter" they are not known to eat at all.
======
I'll keep searching for wild alligators....
Back soon

Thank you Frankie!:seeya:

[Katt2]

Yes, I've done the same, before my washer and dryer were installed in my old house.

However, Casey doesn't strike me as the type to shell out her "non hard earned money" to go the laundry or even buy the detergent, when her parents have facilities right there, and she was in and out all the time. IMO.

I have never read that Casey was ever observed at her parent's home since the day she borrowed the shovel. Perhaps I missed it.

[jbellaj]

I showed my husband one of those pics and said, "Look, another reason to hate the Yankees." ;)

Well I'm sure the Yankees weren't to happy to see her wearing their logo...:D

[kOOkie1]

Does the Court in OC have a web site where they list what cases are coming up and who the attorney is? If so, it would be interesting to see if Baez spends any time in Court while he and Casey are supposed to be "discussing" her case.


This may help....I think you can search by Attorney's name

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/CriminalSelect.aspx?SessionID=975b283b-f4c9-40cd-82d1-a0ac081aca03

[newbiee]

Who's the man in the suit talking to George?

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html

[bcrmom]

But if George and Cindy are scared of Casey, why in the sam hill did they shell out $50,000 to bring her back to their house? Weren't they feeling just a little safer with her in jail?

:shrug:

Oh, don't even start me to guessin' on why those people do ANYthing. LOL I was generalizing on some gp's and parents' problems dealing with troubled/psycho kids. I can't even begin to get into the Anthonys' heads. Too dang scary in there for me.

Honestly, I think they're strictly in defense mode, figuring that she won't kill them if they're the only people on her side, who can help her beat a murder charge.

How's THAT?:biggrin:

[jammies]

Who's the man in the suit talking to George?

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/mobilecam2.html


Looks like the same dude that pulled GA away from the guys on the neighbors lawn.

[barskin&co.]

I have never read that Casey was ever observed at her parent's home since the day she borrowed the shovel. Perhaps I missed it.


George admitted that he saw her on June 24.

[CinTN]

Just an observation but is it me or did it seem like the A's had all this car magnets,t shirts, banners, billboards rather fast. almost like it was stashed waiting to be used..

Just seem rather odd that they had all this stuff within 24 hrs of her being reported missing.. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Here comes the media! "George Anthony Washes His Car" "Film at 11".

:D

[jbellaj]

Good resolution picture of Casey smiling and high fiving her brother.

http://glosslip.com/2008/09/08/casey-anthony-high-fives-brother-as-caylee-still-missing-presumed-dead/

I'm sorry but that is not the face of a mother who's child was kidnapped. I had a better opinion of Lee prior to this but no more. This entire family has some real issues. JMO

[newbiee]

Looks like the same dude that pulled GA away from the guys on the neighbors lawn.

Crap, now they are all gone. Went from guy talking to George, media coming up, George by himself, now nothing. :shrug:What is going on with this camera?

[crymeariver2006]

George admitted that he saw her on June 24.

Yes, George said he saw her on the 24th.

[jbellaj]

After seeing Nancy last night and they were talking about how she stole money from her grandparents, it just screams out drug problem to me for some reason. I am really starting to wonder about the tests back from the labs that indicate a dead body, I just don't get why they don't charge her if they evidence of a dead Caylee, makes me wonder if they really do. moo

Or to give the illusion she was working at "US"JMO

[Justice_Dawg]

I showed my husband one of those pics and said, "Look, another reason to hate the Yankees." ;)
Smile when you say D@mn Yankee. :flamemad:

:biggrin:

[num1barb]

Crap, now they are all gone. Went from guy talking to George, media coming up, George by himself, now nothing. :shrug:What is going on with this camera?

I am too impatient to watch the cameras....LOL.....says they refresh every few seconds, but it seems like they refresh every few minutes to me, I've watched the clouds in the pic, for example, and they don't move for several "refreshes", frustrating for me so I just read what y'all write about the action.

[desmom]

Am I doing something wrong, whenever I refresh, it always takes me back to my post. Didn't it use to take you to the same post and you could just start reading from there?:shrug:


Sorry I can't remember who posted this little hint last night. I apologize for forgetting your name.

Place your mouse cursor on the last post you have read and push F5 on your keyboard.

[msgatorslayer]

Here comes the media! "George Anthony Washes His Car" "Film at 11".

:D

I'm waiting for him to cut the grass. Do some landscaping. Maybe he can get his own show on HGTV.:cool:

[jammies]

I am too impatient to watch the cameras....LOL.....says they refresh every few seconds, but it seems like they refresh every few minutes to me, I've watched the clouds in the pic, for example, and they don't move for several "refreshes", frustrating for me so I just read what y'all write about the action.



FOX ORLANDO needs to take up a collection for some WORKING cameras.

Think GA is shining the cars up for when they search "door to door"?? :rolleyes:

[st777jo]

Actually, a drug problem would make sense on many levels. It could (probably doesn't.. but COULD) explain why Casey was saying that Caylee was in trouble. That she knew who had her and couldn't say.. etc. If she owed money to a drug dealer and didn't pay up, said drug dealer could have had her daughter kidnapped to make her pay. This is a possibility, but does not explain the decomp in the trunk.. chloroform etc.. :shrug:

IMO, if it was drugs, doing them or dealing, and couldn't pay up, they wouldn't take Caylee, they would beat the sh** out of Casey and/or kill her.

[newbiee]

Sorry I can't remember who posted this little hint last night. I apologize for forgetting your name.

Place your mouse cursor on the last post you have read and push F5 on your keyboard.

thank you!:seeya:

[kitty1182]

I wonder if a man hole cover is hard to pick up..

[CANDYKISSES]

Just an observation but is it me or did it seem like the A's had all this car magnets,t shirts, banners, billboards rather fast. almost like it was stashed waiting to be used..

Just seem rather odd that they had all this stuff within 24 hrs of her being reported missing.. JMO

Are you really serious? :read:

[MizzMossie]

good morning - any idea what the black thing at the end of the driveway is? :shrug:

[jammies]

good morning - any idea what the black thing at the end of the driveway is? :shrug:

garbage bags.

[newbiee]

I am too impatient to watch the cameras....LOL.....says they refresh every few seconds, but it seems like they refresh every few minutes to me, I've watched the clouds in the pic, for example, and they don't move for several "refreshes", frustrating for me so I just read what y'all write about the action.

I to think it refreshed every few minutes rather than seconds. I'll keep it up in case something happens. :rolleyes:

[Justice_Dawg]

Actually, a drug problem would make sense on many levels. It could (probably doesn't.. but COULD) explain why Casey was saying that Caylee was in trouble. That she knew who had her and couldn't say.. etc. If she owed money to a drug dealer and didn't pay up, said drug dealer could have had her daughter kidnapped to make her pay. This is a possibility, but does not explain the decomp in the trunk.. chloroform etc.. :shrug:

ITA. That is my theory. Now lets give the drug dealers the 250k and get Caylee back.

We still don't know if the so called decomp in the trunk.. chloroform ect. means anything.

[bcrmom]

I'm waiting for him to cut the grass. Do some landscaping. Maybe he can get his own show on HGTV.:cool:


"Yard Boy" at your service. His yard has needed to be mowed for a week. I'm skeert he's gonna get out the weedwacker, though. Those reporters, protesters and cameradudes ain't gonna know what hit 'am.
Run, Forrest, Run!:chicken:

[newbiee]

good morning - any idea what the black thing at the end of the driveway is? :shrug:

maybe trash?

[bcrmom]

I read that he is a pastor and neighbor. Also read that he is THEIR pastor. Take that with a grain of salt since I don't have a link!



Remember the tall, black guy who came over and pushed George back into his car one day when he went off on someone? The reporters said that guy was his pastor. Oh, and the other reporters said he was a neighbor.

So there ya go. All the news that's fit to print. :) No wonder we can't do anything but speculate about what's fact and what's not. DUH!

LOL

[ellegna]

After seeing Nancy last night and they were talking about how she stole money from her grandparents, it just screams out drug problem to me for some reason. I am really starting to wonder about the tests back from the labs that indicate a dead body, I just don't get why they don't charge her if they evidence of a dead Caylee, makes me wonder if they really do. moo

I didn't think it was for drugs but gambling came to mind.
Gambling addicts beg, borrow, lie and steal to get their hands on cash.
I work for a racetrack/casino. I can tell you horror stories about children being left in cars while their mothers went inside to play the slots and yes, the majority arrested were mothers.

[salvarenga]

Here is a list of all of the cases for 2008 that list Jose Baez as the attorney. Is it just me or does he not seem that busy? Also, nearly all of his clients are Spanish and men so I am not sure where Casey got her recommendation from in jail.


Criminal
08-CF-0010925-O 07/16/2008 NOTICE FOR PRETRIAL 11/05/2008
08-CF-0009103-O 06/22/2008 NOTICE FOR PRETRIAL 11/05/2008
08-CF-0008868-O 07/25/2008 NOTICE FOR PRETRIAL 10/30/2008
08-MM-0006010-O 05/24/2008 CLOSED
08-CF-0007664-O 06/06/2008 CLOSED
08-CF-0004194-O 03/18/2008 NOTICE FOR PRETRIAL 9/17/2008
08-CF-0000165-O 02/03/2008 NOTICE OF ARRAIGNMENT 09/17/2008
08-CF-0000580-O 01/12/2008 CLOSED

08-CF-0010925-O CASEY ANTHONY
08-CF-0000165-O REPRESENTING 17 DEFENDENTS

Traffic (1st 3 are same defendent)
08-CT-0010263-O 07/14/2008 PRETRIAL CONFERENCE SET FOR 9/4/08
08-CT-0008835-O 06/24/2008 TRIAL DATE SET FOR 09/16/2008
08-TR-0109809-O 06/19/2008 TRIAL PERIOD SET 09/15-09/24/2008
08-CT-0003867-O 03/09/2008 WITHDREW FROM CASE

Civil
None

Family Services
None

Probate
None

[Maelstrom5]

I've been worried for awhile now that she did exactly that - and that a body will never be found.

This was probably asked and answered before, but do alligators eat animals/people that are already dead? And if so, do they eat bones?

Sorry to be so graphic, but I don't know any other way to put it.:(


This board goes super fast so someone may have already post a reply to your question but here is what I found,

Adult alligators are apex predators critical to the biodiversity of their habitat. They feed mainly on fish, turtles, snakes, and small mammals. However, they are opportunists, and a hungry gator will eat just about anything, including carrion, pets and, in rare instances, humans.

[CinTN]

Are you really serious? :read:

Umm yeah ... like I said JMO

but if they did know for a while and had time to get stories straight like we all have said a number of times then all of a sudden the very next morning they had all this stuff,I can understand flyers those take no time to make,, but as far as the shirts, car magnets it was the very next morning they had those, just seems odd and it is JMO!!

[dixielover]

IMO, not a coincidence.

Remember when Cindy rambled on about how LE knew she removed the pants from the car and washed them. It was long after we found out about the pants, LE showed up with a search warrant (8-05-08 warrant) for Casey's clothes. The search warrant stated LE found out about the pants in an 8-04-08 interview with Cindy.

I know there was another incident, but I am still on my first cup of coffee and it is not coming to mind.

IMO, several times Cindy has attempted to make LE look incompetent. It is only later we find out Cindy is trying to do a little cya.

jmo


I never believed the story about the pants-why would CA give pants to LE with possible DNA. I never thought GA remembered what she was wearing. This story never flew with me-LE took the pants and tested them and they did not have any decomp on them. It was just another cover story and something to make the Anthony's look like they were coorperating with LE. JMO

[margaritaville]

I can't figure out why they haven't arrested her either, everybody says they are building their case. ok.
When I was a kid and a tomboy a neighborhood boy and I did alot of "ex[erimenting" with bugs in jars (killing them) adding bleach to one jar, ammonia to one, windex to one, etc. Most of the things we used did kill the flies in about a days time. My mom busted me for using her mason jars and so we never did that again. Jus sayin'.
also, casey must not have been looking too far ahead to the future, she must have known the day of reckoning would come when her folks would realize the NH account had been breached and until Amy realized she was ripped off. Didin't casey plan to stick around the area? Wonder what G&C said to her about the g'parents NH account? How much chit did she catch over THAT???



rumor had it Cindy had to cash in her 401K over it.........
I'll try and find the link!

[n/t]

Isn' Arm and Hammer more noted for making Baking Powder and Baking Soda and isn't Baking Soda used to absorb odors?

:)


Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I got caught up with work.

It was detergent and not baking soda.


http://www.wftv.com/news/17292628/detail.html

[marshmallow]

good morning from rainy NY.
last night my son and I were discussing this, actually I was discussing it and when I had to take a breath he got a question in, have the grandparents given any explanation about the supposed people that were being watched or elaborated on the supposed threats to Casey if she talked?

[bballgrl]

Yeah, the decomp and chloroform are suspicious, but I just think if they had that, why is she not in jail, they have charged people with a lot less. Maybe thats how she knew Zenaida was at Sawgrass that day, maybe they had a casual conversation about apartment searching, as Casey the good girlfriend was looking for places for Tony, maybe Casey owed them money and had no more resources to rip off, something was going on.

I just continue to remain optimistic. moo

Nothing wrong with a little optimism! ;)

[Unsolved]

Tresspassing Problem Solved:
The Anthony's can hire private security guards. I feel certain that Casey can steal checks from Baez to pay them.

[Mint_Julep]

Here is a list of all of the cases for 2008 that list Jose Baez as the attorney. Is it just me or does he not seem that busy? Also, nearly all of his clients are Spanish and men so I am not sure where Casey got her recommendation from in jail.


Criminal
08-CF-0010925-O 07/16/2008 NOTICE FOR PRETRIAL 11/05/2008
08-CF-0009103-O 06/22/2008 NOTICE FOR PRETRIAL 11/05/2008
08-CF-0008868-O 07/25/2008 NOTICE FOR PRETRIAL 10/30/2008
08-MM-0006010-O 05/24/2008 CLOSED
08-CF-0007664-O 06/06/2008 CLOSED
08-CF-0004194-O 03/18/2008 NOTICE FOR PRETRIAL 9/17/2008
08-CF-0000165-O 02/03/2008 NOTICE OF ARRAIGNMENT 09/17/2008
08-CF-0000580-O 01/12/2008 CLOSED

08-CF-0010925-O CASEY ANTHONY
08-CF-0000165-O REPRESENTING 17 DEFENDENTS

Traffic (1st 3 are same defendent)
08-CT-0010263-O 07/14/2008 PRETRIAL CONFERENCE SET FOR 9/4/08
08-CT-0008835-O 06/24/2008 TRIAL DATE SET FOR 09/16/2008
08-TR-0109809-O 06/19/2008 TRIAL PERIOD SET 09/15-09/24/2008
08-CT-0003867-O 03/09/2008 WITHDREW FROM CASE

Civil
None

Family Services
None

Probate
None

OK, to my uneducated mind this seems to mean that Baez has Case NO. 08-CF-0000165-O REPRESENTING 17 DEFENDENTS and Case NO. 08-CF-0004194-O NOTICE FOR PRETRIAL both on 9/17/2008. HOW is he preparing for these cases and babysitting at the same time? Am I reading this wrong? I've never dealt with any type of court case so I'm really lost.

[bballgrl]

IMO, if it was drugs, doing them or dealing, and couldn't pay up, they wouldn't take Caylee, they would beat the sh** out of Casey and/or kill her.

Oh I totally agree. I was just thinking that the drug dealer scenario would explain all the "cloak and dagger" verbal jousting that Casey was using... She kept implying that she couldn't say WHO hda Casey or WHY, but that if LE was just a little smarter they could dechiper all her hidden little hints...:rolleyes: I think Casey watches too much TV! LOL

[CinTN]

That's absurd ..

Yeah well its my opinion/question,, Just seems odd to me..

like nothing else discussed here on this crazy case isn't..

[Mandysmom]

Good morning everyone. I've got lots of reading to catch up on.

Hoping and praying that today is the day.

Caylee

:rose::rose:

[SavannahStar]

Who are 'they'?

Probably "Rick." :shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

Shouldn't Casey be leaving now for her appointment with Baez?

[bballgrl]

good morning from rainy NY.
last night my son and I were discussing this, actually I was discussing it and when I had to take a breath he got a question in, have the grandparents given any explanation about the supposed people that were being watched or elaborated on the supposed threats to Casey if she talked?

Not that I know of... I don't think they want to give too much detail, or everyone will KNOW they are lying! LOL

BTW: I am in Upstate NY too. I hate this rain!

[jammies]

good morning from rainy NY.
last night my son and I were discussing this, actually I was discussing it and when I had to take a breath he got a question in, have the grandparents given any explanation about the supposed people that were being watched or elaborated on the supposed threats to Casey if she talked?

Hi Marsh! That "story" is SOOOOOO yesterday!

Last story I heard was that Caylee was in Mexico or PR. Apparently she's traveling with a band of gypsies that move from place to place who are sometimes dangerous and threatening. other times Caylee is safe with them.

[shelkobe]

Some posters have wondered how could it be that the smell of decomp. was not noticed while Casey's car was sitting in the tow yard prior to George picking it up. Well, here's a story I just read this morning about a completely different case that has some similar aspects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080909/ap_on_re_us/toddler_in_trunk

In this case, the mother's deceased child was in the trunk when her car was towed to a tow yard... he was in there for the six weeks the car was there. The mother may even have been driving around with her dead child in the trunk for a couple of months before she was pulled over for driving erratically and had her car towed by cops. So the policeman smelled nothing, tow truck driver smelled nothing and guys at the yard smelled nothing. And yet the child's body was in the trunk.

[WinnieLeigh7]

OK, to my uneducated mind this seems to mean that Baez has Case NO. 08-CF-0000165-O REPRESENTING 17 DEFENDENTS and Case NO. 08-CF-0004194-O NOTICE FOR PRETRIAL both on 9/17/2008. HOW is he preparing for these cases and babysitting at the same time? Am I reading this wrong? I've never dealt with any type of court case so I'm really lost.


Pretrails don't amount to anything really...

Just kinda a status update for the courts

[Joan Weiss]

Good morning friends. Interesting discussion about the flies. How the heck could they get into a closed trunk anyway?

Also, didn't we learn that chloroform isn't as dense as oxygen and therefore would be found in the upper part of the trunk, so there could still be air to breathe in the bottom? In other words, the flies could survive in the trunk?Good morning Reggie. I think you have it backwards. I recall a TH scientist say that Chloroform is more dense than oxygen, so would be on the floor of the car. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't hear/read that the chloroform was specifically in the trunk. imo

[CinTN]

Kinkos made 2 for me in 24 hours. Just FYI. (Car magnets I mean) They were large ones- 2x2 maybe???

I understand..

Im just going by the time frame of the 911 calls Casey arrested then the very next morning poof there they are.... just seems odd to me...

Everyone is saying things were planned out to a point just adding this to the mix of craziness :biggrin:

[Mint_Julep]

Pretrails don't amount to anything really...

Just kinda a status update for the courts


Does Baez have to be in Court for the pretrial?

Thanks!

[newbiee]

Is it just me or is this board not going as fast as the old one? I guess everyone is still learning. I usually can only read the board is going so fast, now I can actually reply to some of the post without getting behind.
:D

[WinnieLeigh7]

Does Baez have to be in Court for the pretrial?

Thanks!


Yea, usually (every blue moon they will allow it through conference call)...

But yes, normally the attorneys are present...

it may take 15 minutes

Court ask for status, pushes for some type of agreement if possible, etc. It's really just a follow up on the attorneys, kind of "what are you doing, where do we stand, where is this case going" type deal

[CinTN]

I just saw that story and it makes my stomach absolutely sick. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD?! :cuss:

I read that also and it is sick,, only thing I can say that may have been different is maybe IF caylee was in the trunk she might not have been wrapped in a garbage bag,, maybe just a blanket or towel or heck maybe nothing..:shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

Some posters have wondered how could it be that the smell of decomp. was not noticed while Casey's car was sitting in the tow yard prior to George picking it up. Well, here's a story I just read this morning about a completely different case that has some similar aspects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080909/ap_on_re_us/toddler_in_trunk

In this case, the mother's deceased child was in the trunk when her car was towed to a tow yard... he was in there for the six weeks the car was there. The mother may even have been driving around with her dead child in the trunk for a couple of months before she was pulled over for driving erratically and had her car towed by cops. So the policeman smelled nothing, tow truck driver smelled nothing and guys at the yard smelled nothing. And yet the child's body was in the trunk.Here is what is in the documents:

Mr. Birch is the facility manager of wrecker yard. Mr Birch recalled seeing the white Pontiac inside of 7777 Narcoosee Rd. for several weeks. There is a high turnover of cars at the lot, so Mr. Birch became curious when the white Pontiac was still there after a few weeks. Mr. Birch walked over to the white Pontiac to look the car over and immediately smelled a foul odor. Mr. Birch has experienced bad smells coming from cars towed containing perishable foods, so he did not pay any further attention to the white Pontiac.

Pg.316 (204 on the white tab at the bottom)


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

[jakee]

No wonder Casey can come and sit in his office 6 hrs a day- hes got nothing else to do either. In no way do I beleive for one minute that the 2 of them are working on her defense all day everyday like that, I am sure he is giving her access to computer, phone, you name it.
He probably brings her a Happy Meal at lunchtime FGS.

Good morning all,

How normal is it for a client to spend that many hours every day with their lawyer? Just curious if this is normal for high profile cases or what. I think it is out of the ordinary too, but I have not idea how this all works.

[Barbara fl.]

I still do not think that the Grandparents had anything to do with Caylee missing..Caylee is the sole responsible party. As for the GP's sticking up for their daughter, I would be doing the very same thing with the exception that I would NOT lie to protect her.

I would hire the best attorney and as much as I would be hating what she did, I would still stand by her...

I think what these protesters are doing is despicable. Enough already with putting the GP's through this. And what I find even more despicable is that Casey sits by and watches what her family is going thru and wont talk to stop it. Casey has to be one of the coldest human beings that ever walked this earth. She can stay in the very house where her daughter Caylee has lived all her life, without showing any sorrow at all. She can lie right to ANYONES face and not even blink. How did this type of behavior go unnoticed all her life. Didn't teachers notice that she didn't act normal? She had to be lying all her life in order to stand up to the police and FBI and lie so easily. There had to be red flags all over the place while she was growing up, this behavior didn't just begin.

That is why I believe that the GP's are on a guilt trip. They have to be feeling that they could have done something earlier on to have prevented this. JMO

[nana6]

Is it just me or is this board not going as fast as the old one? I guess everyone is still learning. I usually can only read the board is going so fast, now I can actually reply to some of the post without getting behind.
:D

I have noticed this too. I sometimes have to go to the last post written and then go over and write the number of the next post I want to see. Does this make sense?

[desmom]

Good morning all,

How normal is it for a client to spend that many hours every day with their lawyer? Just curious if this is normal for high profile cases or what. I think it is out of the ordinary too, but I have not idea how this all works.

IMO, it is out of the norm.

[Joan Weiss]

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. I got caught up with work.

It was detergent and not baking soda.


http://www.wftv.com/news/17292628/detail.htmlThanks, n/t. There is nothing mentioned in the documents by Mr. Birch about seeing laundry detergent. Pg. 316 (204 on the tab)


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

[nana6]

Do I have this right?

IF Casey tried to dispose of Caylee in the water,
the allegators would likely NOT eat her? :confused:

Sorry to be gross ..

I wonder that too. Why not? I surely thought that they would

[WinnieLeigh7]

Good morning all,

How normal is it for a client to spend that many hours every day with their lawyer? Just curious if this is normal for high profile cases or what. I think it is out of the ordinary too, but I have not idea how this all works.


It's not really that abnormal before going to trial...
It takes hours and hours to prepare for trial especially with complexed cases.

However, (and this is my opinion), I don't really see what they are "preparing" for...
no charges have been brought.....YET
And if Casey isn't talking, then what can you possibly be doing for hours day after day??

UNLESS she is talking...
She COULD be talking to him and they could be guessing at what the state has and how they're going to put the spin on that.

They very easily can access the publics opinion and put a spin on it. Never wondered why how the family comments seem to correlate to what's being questioned, even here on the board?

[happy2bme]

Good Morning everyone. Anything new today?:seeya:

[newbiee]

I have noticed this too. I sometimes have to go to the last post written and then go over and write the number of the next post I want to see. Does this make sense?


yes. When i reply I right click and open a new tab and reply in it, then I go back to the other tab and hit f5 and finish reading so i don't miss anything. That make sense?

[spageddy]

Well I'm sure the Yankees weren't to happy to see her wearing their logo...:D

Yup-even the dreaded Yankees don't deserve that! But I'm just so glad it wasn't a B :biggrin:

[shelkobe]

I just saw that story and it makes my stomach absolutely sick. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD?! :cuss:
Sick is right. Hard to believe parents can do these things.

I thought this sentence from the article had particular resonance: ManyWhiteHorses was given misdemeanor citations in connection with the crash and later released from jail. Authorities said she did not retrieve her car even though she was free to do so.
Of course, in this case the woman's child was still in the trunk. In Casey's case, there was no longer a body, yet the smell was there.

[CinTN]

Soooooo, you think that the Anthony's possibly had all
their 'supplies' before Caylee was even reported missing?

Do you NOT think that if that were the case, the
company that made the stuff would say something???

:shrug:


anything in this case is possible ,,,
:shrug:

[jbellaj]

Good morning all,

How normal is it for a client to spend that many hours every day with their lawyer? Just curious if this is normal for high profile cases or what. I think it is out of the ordinary too, but I have not idea how this all works.


It's not. IMO Baez knows the tension going on in that house and wants to keep them seperated as much as possible.

[GentleBreeze]

OK, to my uneducated mind this seems to mean that Baez has Case NO. 08-CF-0000165-O REPRESENTING 17 DEFENDANTS and Case NO. 08-CF-0004194-O NOTICE FOR PRETRIAL both on 9/17/2008. HOW is he preparing for these cases and babysitting at the same time? Am I reading this wrong? I've never dealt with any type of court case so I'm really lost.

IMO, most of these cases will end in some type of plea deal and will not go to court.

More cases end this way instead of going to trial.

Defense attorneys are excellent Stall Masters anyway, imo. They put in motion after motion pushing the cases back.

imoo

[ccat]

It's not. IMO Baez knows the tension going on in that house and wants to keep them seperated as much as possible.

Maybe that tension will force Casey to talk.:shrug:

[Joan Weiss]

Yes, George said he saw her on the 24th.It's possible. The car was spotted at 7AM on June 27, 2008, by the branch manager. It was towed June 30.

pg. 317 (205 on the white tab)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

[n/t]

Thanks, n/t. There is nothing mentioned in the documents by Mr. Birch about seeing laundry detergent. Pg. 316 (204 on the tab)


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

YW. That's why I questioned why George would even mention it.

Very bizarre but maybe when this ever goes to trial, we'll find out and go ah ha!

[deep*fear]

I think it's going to boil down to the dates of the computer searches. Anything before 7/14 says Casey is most likely responsible for the chloroform, anything after....could be George or Cindy.

I've never doubted that the trunk was cleaned and that whoever cleaned it missed the few strands of Caylee's hair. Couldn't use bleach because that would discolor the trunk carpeting. Then George comes up with the Arm & Hammer. He also says the "DNA results will be inconclusive".

I'm just not so sure that chloroform was used for cleaning. The computer searches are going to tell the story.

I'm also thinking that it's an exaggeration to say that the chloroform was still so heavy that it could be smelled upon opening the trunk. Wouldn't that have knocked out the tow truck owner and George?

IMO, the chloroform was found in the air test, in addition to the decomp gasses scents.

I'm no scientist, but I doubt any of the Anthonys are either.

Yes, but to further complicate matters - if the searches were before 6/15 it most likely means premeditation, and after 6/27 probably means Casey was looking for ways to clean the trunk

[TxLady2]

There are special granules to spread on your lawn for fire ants. And the cost isn't nearly as much as chloro, lol.

I've never heard of anyone using that for fire ants. Then again, I'm sure not everyone has heard of using grocery store bought 'grits' to get rid of fire ants. Inexpensive, and when the ants eat it, their tummy's expand and they die.


We have a lot of fire ants where I live. We tried cornmeal after I read about it online... didn't work. We bought some stuff at Lowe's and it works for the mounds we put it on. But then we would find another mound somewhere else. They are very hard to get rid of. Our house sits on 10 acres, and we maintain a whole acre.. those little critters keep popping up different places all summer. I have NEVER heard of anyone using chloroform for killing any insects.

[trt]

Is it Casey? Look at the nose and the chest..

Everyone had just seen Casey go into the jail with that same shirt on, same hat on, etc. It was her.

[SavannahStar]

Maybe that child was not- this is grose but have to say it- "freshly dead"- maybe his time for decomp odor had come and past when she put him in the trunk? Just wondering. You know they don't smell forever & ever...

From what I understand, the smell DOES last forever and ever....:shrug:

[WinnieLeigh7]

I have just an off the wall question...

The "high five" When and where did that occur??

And what possible reasons can you think of that you would be smirking and 'high fiving' while your child is missing??

because I can only come up with "victory of not being caught in my crime" type thought...

Anyone??

I know it seems like a minor gesture...
but nevertheless, it just doesn't seem 'right'

Even if you were 'overjoyed' with some evidence of where your child was...lets say ZGF was located (and you're innocent)....and you found out about this 'lead'...
I can see you hugging, crying some hopeful tears...

But smirking and high fiving :shrug:

[ccat]

Is it Casey? Look at the nose and the chest..
Yes, I agree with a poster on that board who said that perhaps Lee is just trying to placate her. He is about the only one to whom she may reveal the truth.
Having said that, however, the whole family disgusts me!:(