What??? If...

[DeeN]

Seriously, knowing-what we know now.

If Stacey Anthony were on trial for the murder of Caylee Anthony-based upon what has been discovered thus far-

Could you sentence Stacey Anthony to either the death penalty or life in prison without the possibility of parole?

With what we know now. I could not. Unfortunately.

One of the frustrating things for me-is that the Anthony Family-has answers to questions that any juror or prosecuting attorney would have.

But- they are not going to give it up.

They've obviously circled their wagons-and they are not going to say anything-that could possibly incriminate Stacey.

I'm a bit afraid, that without finding Caylee's body. The police are stymied. I think that's why they rounded up the $5,000. to give to Tim-and asked him to keep searching for Caylee.

However, nature is really-interfering here.

So, she may just get away with it. Your thoughts? :(

[kellabeck]

Obviously I know too much to fairly be a juror.

That said, given this evidence:

Child vanishes, mother's history, mother doesn't call 911, mother parties happily, physical evidence in trunk indicates Caylee is dead, mother lies...

G U I L T Y!!!!!

[brodysho]

I couldn't convict 'Stacey' Anthony... But I could probably convict Casey anthony.

[Deb7]

I say put Casey Anthony back in jail and let poor Stacey Anthony go. That poor girl always taking the fall for Casey in your posts.

[snowflakes]

I could easily find her guilty and sentence her to LWOP.
The decomposition in the back of her car is proof enough for me.

[forensicsgal]

There are a lot of people that don't know about this case. I don't know about how it is in Florida. Maybe we're the only ones consumed by this, those that are on the board.

[firefly75]

I couldn't convict 'Stacey' Anthony... But I could probably convict Casey anthony.

ok...ok....that is exactly what I was thinking:):lol:

[Ckrdpast]

I couldn't convict 'Stacey' Anthony... But I could probably convict Casey anthony.

im with you and firefly stacey is innocent


casey, on the other hand---is guilty as H E DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS


that said --- ive been on a jury before and i would do my best to follow the judges instructions

and truely i think i could

[ALL RISE]

I could definitely convict after finding out tonite, after listening to Nancy Grace, that 'significant' amounts of chloroform (not trace amounts) were found in the trunk; the chloroform computer searches; that Casey had a 'significant' arguement with Cindy who had gone to a counselor and was going to kick Casey out; insist Casey get a real job all b/4 Cindy could become a legal guardian and protect this poor child. There is even a neighbor who heard this arguement.

I sadly believe that Casey was enormously jealous of the love and attention the grandmother gave Caylee and also got the impression that Caylee got in the way of Casey's budding relationship with her boyfriend Tony.

And further damning evidence the story about the three initialed babysitter and her sister Samantha and all her children at a designated park putting Caylee in their vechile and Casey being given a 'script' and outline to follow is just nuts and crazy making me cast a definite conviction of murder in the first and the worst degree.

[Noahs ARK]

I could definitely find her guilty and give her LWOP at this point.

[ALL RISE]

I could definitely find her guilty and give her LWOP at this point.
Good for you...I do believe in the d/p...given the right circumstances...but at this point...I don't know if I could convict using capital punishment. However, give me some more condemning evidence...and... can you hear old sparkey in the back ground...snap...crackle...pop....

[johnielee333]

I say yes. Guilty of murder ! Lwop

[ALL RISE]

there will be aggravating circumstances when all the facts (not lies) are in...and she will receive the d/p. The trial may have to be moved to another county...but she will receive the d/p. LWOPP isn't good enough!

[Noahs ARK]

Good for you...I do believe in the d/p...given the right circumstances...but at this point...I don't know if I could convict using capital punishment. However, give me some more condemning evidence...and... can you hear old sparkey in the back ground...snap...crackle...pop....

ITA. Just a little more evidence and I could go for the DP, too.

[summer4meplz]

I could easily find her guilty and sentence her to LWOP.
The decomposition in the back of her car is proof enough for me.

ita...guilty...lwop...

[summer4meplz]

There are a lot of people that don't know about this case. I don't know about how it is in Florida. Maybe we're the only ones consumed by this, those that are on the board.


i definitely think we are a unique group of ppl with a common interest...it's kinda like a book club, except we have to guess at what happens next....

[Tracian]

Guilty....LWOP with the condition she has to listen to Cindy drone on and on and on 12 hours a day.

She will eventually beg for the DP.

[msgatorslayer]

There is definately enough evidence for the State to convince me beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey killed Caylee. I could convict her faster than her Mom can wield that hammer.

However, I would be surprised if Florida seeks the DP against a woman.

[SuchIsLife]

I could absolutely convict her now, without a doubt.

[MoonFlwr]

I wouldn't be able to choose 'guilty' at this point.

[SuchIsLife]

Guilty....LWOP with the condition she has to listen to Cindy drone on and on and on 12 hours a day.

She will eventually beg for the DP.


And she has to watch those videos of her baby all day long, every day.

[smhustoiii]

I could definitely convict Casey if I were a juror!!!

[margaritaville]

I could convict........And I could give the DP also!!

[Gaelic-Lass]

I could positively convict at this juncture - LWOP.

[Regina.Lampert]

As a juror I could not convict casey anthony yet. I would
need to hear her defense first. After hearing the defense's case in
chief then I could render a verdict.:patriot:

[Lynden1000]

Seriously, knowing-what we know now.

If Stacey Anthony were on trial for the murder of Caylee Anthony-based upon what has been discovered thus far-

Could you sentence Stacey Anthony to either the death penalty or life in prison without the possibility of parole?

With what we know now. I could not. Unfortunately.

One of the frustrating things for me-is that the Anthony Family-has answers to questions that any juror or prosecuting attorney would have.

But- they are not going to give it up.

They've obviously circled their wagons-and they are not going to say anything-that could possibly incriminate Stacey.

I'm a bit afraid, that without finding Caylee's body. The police are stymied. I think that's why they rounded up the $5,000. to give to Tim-and asked him to keep searching for Caylee.

However, nature is really-interfering here.

So, she may just get away with it. Your thoughts? :(

Assuming that we know everything (which we probably don't) and assuming that what we know is accurate, then yes, I think I could find her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. IMO murder convictions have been handed down with far less evidence than what is supposedly available in this case. There have been convictions with no forensic evidence and just an eyewitness testimony.

I do think, however, that a good (the key word being "good") defense attorney could successfully introduce reasonable doubt. So if she was arrested today, I really think it would be a toss up as to whether she is found guilty.

I also think LE probably has all they're ever going to have and should probably make an arrest soon, before this family has a chance to get their collective story straight.

IMO finding the body isn't going to help the case in any way, other than proving beyond a doubt that Caylee is dead. But I think the forensics solidly establish that. I think the body will tell us precious little about who and how, and the defense could just as easily say that Zenaida and Sam did it after they took off with Caylee.

[Mairi II]

Yes, I sure could.

I'm glad police are taking their time. When it happens, I wouldn't be surprised if Baez invokes her "speedy trial" right... so the police/ prosecutors best have all their ducks in a V before charging her.

[Marianne]

Assuming that we know everything (which we probably don't) and assuming that what we know is accurate, then yes, I think I could find her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. IMO murder convictions have been handed down with far less evidence than what is supposedly available in this case. There have been convictions with no forensic evidence and just an eyewitness testimony.

I do think, however, that a good (the key word being "good") defense attorney could successfully introduce reasonable doubt. So if she was arrested today, I really think it would be a toss up as to whether she is found guilty.

I also think LE probably has all they're ever going to have and should probably make an arrest soon, before this family has a chance to get their collective story straight.

IMO finding the body isn't going to help the case in any way, other than proving beyond a doubt that Caylee is dead. But I think the forensics solidly establish that. I think the body will tell us precious little about who and how, and the defense could just as easily say that Zenaida and Sam did it after they took off with Caylee.


It will prove it was in Casey's car! that there were no kidnappers and that Casey was the last person with her and that the body was decomposed enough to stink up the trunk so it was there for a few days. That is enough to prove murder or negligent accident and if Casey isnt going to talk and come clean then murder is the option.

If it was by accident she could at least explain it. Either way her total lack of concern afterwards ....need I say more.

[FrankieBones1]

No problem convicting at all.

[suso3280]

The only "evidence" so far is from press leaks and a few statements made by LE, however, knowing just what we do from watching NG and GVS, I certainly could convict...But wait LE "really" tells all they know. I have a feeling that Grandfolks are going to see the inside of a jailcell for withholding incriminating information.THEYknow what happened to Caylee, IMO, that's the worst injustice, to protect the daughter when they know she did it, accident or not. IMO, put em ALL in jail, Darnit

[Lynden1000]

It will prove it was in Casey's car! that there were no kidnappers and that Casey was the last person with her and that the body was decomposed enough to stink up the trunk so it was there for a few days. That is enough to prove murder or negligent accident and if Casey isnt going to talk and come clean then murder is the option.

If it was by accident she could at least explain it. Either way her total lack of concern afterwards ....need I say more.

I think the hair in the trunk is enough to prove that Caylee was in the trunk and that she was dead, even in the absence of a body. I don't think the body will tell us anything we don't already know, so if the body isn't found, I don't think the case will be harmed. IMO

But I totally agree, there's enough for murder IMO

[dreamer]

If what we've heard via the media so far became testimony in a court of law, then yes, I would vote GUILTY.

[redcard]

Nancy Grace is a liar who has a history of making stuff up, so I don't know if I believe the "significant" amounts of chloroform or "Definitely was a dead body and nothing else" arguments that are dramatically barked out of her angry and gaping maw all the time.

I don't think, when I ignore the evidence as presented by Nancy and focus on what the facts I've seen are, that the evidence is as damning as she wants it to be.

I don't think I can convict at that point.

[MyrDawn]

I'm pretty convinced Casey was responsible for Caylee's death, and it was probably premiditated murder, but I just couldn't convict her without giving the defense a chance to present her side and hearing the full forensics results...not just the preliminary results we've heard so far. It would go against everything I was taught about our justice system in the U.S. I have sat on a jury several times, and was surprised more than once by the evidence presented. One was a well known case around here and most people were convinced of the defendants guilt at the start of the trial, but we ended up aquitting him because a lot of what we'd heard in the media was false, and the defense had some pretty convincing evidence that the defandant was innocent and not even in the state at the time of the crime.

[GentleBreeze]

From an opinion as a message board poster, I certainly could convict her. I think she is guilty as sin.

However; a juror never would unless the true supporting evidence was presented under oath in a court of law. A juror would not take what the press has leaked as evidence, even though it may be true. They would have to vow to set all that aside if chosen to be a juror on this case.

As far as the existing charges I do believe that the State has ample evidence to show she is guilty of those crimes.

I do believe that the DA will charge her when he believes he has the evidence he needs to convict her of killing and hiding Caylee's body. Evidently, since she has not been charged yet, they are still needing more evidence to prove their case. I certainly hope they find that compelling evidence that will result in Casey being arrested and charged for murdering her little daughter and I hope they find it soon.

imoo

[TxLady2]

I've been on a jury before, and I would have to say that I don't know right now whether I could convict or not. We don't know how much of the evidence is going to be allowed in court. You have to base your decision on what is presented as evidence, not what you think happened, or what your feelings are. Also, we don't know what is going to be further released from now until the trial. She has not even been charged with homicide. For all we know, she will only be going to trial on the neglect and lying to LE and the theft, as it stands right now.
I do believe she will be charged with some form of homicide somewhere down the road, but we don't know that for a fact right now. So, based on what we DO know... I would have to say NO.
In my heart, I believe she is guilty... but my brain tells me we don't know everything at this point.

[margaritaville]

1. The GP know Casey killed Caylee, but will blame it on the "kidnappers."

2. They know caylee is dead but actually "believe" that someone other then Casey killed her.

3. They think Caylee is alive, but if proven wrong (body found) they will blame Casey.

4. They believe Caylee is alive and with the kidnappers.

5. They believe Caylee is alive and that Casey sold her or gave her away.

[kellabeck]

6. Deep down they know that Caylee and is dead and Casey killed her and they can't face the truth and that's why their denial is so deep. The truth is far too painful.

You can't be in denial if you don't on some level know something you have to deny.

[tanata]

6. Deep down they know that Caylee and is dead and Casey killed her and they can't face the truth and that's why their denial is so deep. The truth is far too painful.

This is what I believe, too. Deny, deny. They need to open their eyes.

[ALL RISE]

1. The GP know Casey killed Caylee, but will blame it on the "kidnappers."

2. They know caylee is dead but actually "believe" that someone other then Casey killed her.

3. They think Caylee is alive, but if proven wrong (body found) they will blame Casey.

4. They believe Caylee is alive and with the kidnappers.

5. They believe Caylee is alive and that Casey sold her or gave her away.

Number 4....They believe Caylee is alive and with the kidnappers...who are near by...who are in Mexico...Puerto Rico....'because they are receiving calls to fuel what they don't want to believe....they said, they believe Casey.....they want to keep their hopes and dreams alive.
Prayers and sympathies to them. I can't imagine how they will handle the truth...if the truth ever comes out.

[tanata]

If I had all of the information that the public is not yet privy to, I think I could convict her. Based on what has been released to the media, I do think she is guilty (though as I've said before, I don't know whether Caylee's death was accidental or on purpose), but if that's all LE has (and I don't think that's the case), it may be hard to get a murder conviction.

[redcard]

If I had all of the information that the public is not yet privy to, I think I could convict her. Based on what has been released to the media, I do think she is guilty (though as I've said before, I don't know whether Caylee's death was accidental or on purpose), but if that's all LE has (and I don't think that's the case), it may be hard to get a murder conviction.

The media is the least trustworthy source of evidence ever.

If I had to go with what the media has released, given their history, I'd say a full finding of innocence.

Fact is, that's why we have evidence rules, and trials, and jurors. The media is not obligated to follow any evidence. We can ask the Duke Boys about that.

[koawally]

#1 barf

Poor lil Caylee:rose:

[MyrDawn]

#6 1/2 - I think they believe Caylee is dead, but it was an accident and they're protecting Casey because they don't think she killed Caylee on purpose.

JMO

[Lynden1000]

1. The GP know Casey killed Caylee, but will blame it on the "kidnappers."

2. They know caylee is dead but actually "believe" that someone other then Casey killed her.

3. They think Caylee is alive, but if proven wrong (body found) they will blame Casey.

4. They believe Caylee is alive and with the kidnappers.

5. They believe Caylee is alive and that Casey sold her or gave her away.


#1

I am leaning toward GA having assisted with the disposal and coverup. I think that's the best explanation for the grandfather's initial silence and for Cindy's complete turnaround from the frantic, terrified grandmother we heard on the 911 call to the cold and resolutely defensive person we see today.

I don't think Cindy would lie or feign denial for Casey, but I *do* think she would do so if she learned her husband could be implicated. The possibility of a wayward daughter going to prison would be an internal struggle, but if forced to consider the possibility that you could lose both your daughter *and* your husband?

Of course that then raises the question of why GA would have done such a stupid thing. I would've expected former LE to take a "you messed up, now you have to deal with the consequences" approach." :shrug:

[anon-o-miss]

6. Deep down they know that Caylee and is dead and Casey killed her and they can't face the truth and that's why their denial is so deep. The truth is far too painful.

You can't be in denial if you don't on some level know something you have to deny.
I agree kella.
They make me angry with the way they have virtually tossed Caylee aside for the sake of Casey's freedom. However, I can't help but to feel sorry for them. They didn't ask for any of this... Yes they may have contributed to the outcome by never making Casey really suffer the consequences for her actions, but they did that out of love for their daughter. Right or wrong. With that being said, I hope the Anthony's refocus on getting their granddaughter back, AND THEN worry about defending Casey.
:rose:Caylee Marie Anthony:rose:

:rose: For the Anthony Family, Cause regardless what any of us think, I'm sure this is not something they asked for or deserved.

[ELENDA100]

Obviously I know too much to fairly be a juror.

That said, given this evidence:

Child vanishes, mother's history, mother doesn't call 911, mother parties happily, physical evidence in trunk indicates Caylee is dead, mother lies...

G U I L T Y!!!!!
Guilty here also. No problem with a guilty verdict for me

[Dogmatic]

If the following speculated evidence is proven in court, then she is guilty:

dna of Kaylee in trunk
decomp evidence in trunk
dog hits on decomp in back yard and trunk
chloroform in trunk
chloroform search on computer

I don't need any more than that.

[Bon13]

I could convict her easily! Guilty! There is a lot of evidence collected ,just no body found.

[emdragon]

6. Deep down they know that Caylee and is dead and Casey killed her and they can't face the truth and that's why their denial is so deep. The truth is far too painful.

You can't be in denial if you don't on some level know something you have to deny.

This is what I believe for the most part but after learning what happened between Cindy and Casey prior to Casey leaving with Caylee I have to add Cindy is also being eaten alive by Guilt and "If only's"

The attempt to get legal custody also fully explains Cindy's myspace blog and her belief that Casey was just keeping Caylee away to punish her.

(small part of me had a brief thought last night that maybe they believe Casey gave Caylee to someone to keep her mother from having her...)

[oxfordfox]

I think she's guilty as all get out, but no, I couldn't convict her without absolute evidence or a preponderance of it. We have to preserve our jury system and avoid vigilante justice as much as tempted as I'd be e to participate in a little prairie justice. I thought OJ was guilty as hades but I coudn''t have convicted him without a shadow of a doubt in the criminal trial. Everything was too murked up. Sad, but who knows that he won't get convicted in this new trial. What an irony that would be. Maybe Miss Karma has OJ and Casey on speed dial. Hope so.

[barskin&co.]

6. Deep down they know that Caylee and is dead and Casey killed her and they can't face the truth and that's why their denial is so deep. The truth is far too painful.

You can't be in denial if you don't on some level know something you have to deny.

Ahhhh. Wise words!

[lonetraveler]

This is what I believe, too. Deny, deny. They need to open their eyes.

This is also what I believe.

[kitty1182]

Guilty! Gulity!

[True2Blues]

#1. They know Caylee is dead and that Casey did it, but they'll lie their heads off to keep Casey out of jail.

[LLaFren]

Based on what has been released, I would vote Guilty. JMO

[FoxySly]

Seriously, knowing-what we know now.

If Stacey Anthony were on trial for the murder of Caylee Anthony-based upon what has been discovered thus far-

Could you sentence Stacey Anthony to either the death penalty or life in prison without the possibility of parole?


~snip

DeeN, who is Stacy anthony? A cousin, aunt who???

I have been following this case pretty close & have yet to hear of Stacy.

The other names in this case are confusing; cindy marie, casey marie, Caylee Marie, Lee but this is the 1st I've heard of Stacy so don't know how she is involved, heck I can't even find a Stacy connected to this case googling but did find a Stacy Anthony on facebook.

So I'd have to say no way should Stacy be charged with anything until I at least hear something, anything about her in connection with this case.

Sly

[mood*ring]

If what we have heard about test results, etc. are true, then I would have no trouble voting guilty, and voting for the death penalty. After all, she sentenced her child to death and carried it out herself.

No matter what her defense would be, she is guilty after all, even when Caylee is found, she will be too far gone to establish COD unless she was poisoned and there is enough matter to test for poisoning.

Good ole Scott wasn't arrested until Lacie and Connor were found.

The only question I have is to WHAT extent Casey's parents are involved, if they helped Casey get rid of Caylee and all evidence or if they concealed sometime later after they discovered Caylee was gone.

And I think that once Casey is actually convicted, she will turn on her parents if they had any involvement at all. She will blame them for not protecting her, making it go away and she will rat them out.

Funny how the grandparents have lawyered up.

[Joan Weiss]

I believe she's guilty, but I'm not sure if there was intent. I need to hear the trial first. It may have been an accident. Negligent homicide, at this point for me.

[aubrey04]

#1. They know Caylee is dead and that Casey did it, but they'll lie their heads off to keep Casey out of jail.

I concur. They know Caylee is dead at the hands of Casey.. They have already lost their granddaughter - no matter what. They don't want to lose their child too. (if she were to be sent to prison for the rest of their lives).

There is no way that a nurse -- who is familiar with the smell of dead bodies... and an ex-cop, who knows a thing or two about criminal minds.. can seriously believe that little Caylee is still alive.

I do not believe that one iota. :no:

IMO

[spicedtea]

My own gut feeling is that George doesn't know but suspects enough that he's starting to snap and I don't think he can handle it.

He's the only one that has shown at least a little emotion for Caylee,his shouting "Thats was NOT my grand daughters body in the car!" it sounded like tears in his voice to me. And the time he was screaming "Shut up,shut up,shut up" at a reporter that refered to Caylee as being dead sounded like desperate denial.

I do think Cindy knows though and has even made some effort to throw off the finding of Caylee's body.

On one of the Nancy Grace shows, she just seemed too adamant about stopping TES from searching those woods that law enforcement asked them to. Or even wanting more people to volunteer for searching for Caylee,claiming that she is alive and thus they should not be searching the woods. But why try to stop them then?

She strikes me as being afraid of George,of him finding out the truth.
I mean,when this all first happened,she called George but didn't tell him over the phone that Caylee was missing,she waited until he got home late that night to tell him in their garage!

I know they've had marital problems in the past but I don't think those two are very close at all even now.

All just my opinion.

[SavannahStar]

I believe she's guilty, but I'm not sure if there was intent. I need to hear the trial first. It may have been an accident. Negligent homicide, at this point for me.

Ditto, Joan.

[margaritaville]

My own gut feeling is that George doesn't know but suspects enough that he's starting to snap and I don't think he can handle it.

He's the only one that has shown at least a little emotion for Caylee,his shouting "Thats was NOT my grand daughters body in the car!" it sounded like tears in his voice to me. And the time he was screaming "Shut up,shut up,shut up" at a reporter that refered to Caylee as being dead sounded like desperate denial.

I do think Cindy knows though and has even made some effort to throw off the finding of Caylee's body.

On one of the Nancy Grace shows, she just seemed too adamant about stopping TES from searching those woods that law enforcement asked them to. Or even wanting more people to volunteer for searching for Caylee,claiming that she is alive and thus they should not be searching the woods. But why try to stop them then?

She strikes me as being afraid of George,of him finding out the truth.
I mean,when this all first happened,she called George but didn't tell him over the phone that Caylee was missing,she waited until he got home late that night to tell him in their garage!

I know they've had marital problems in the past but I don't think those two are very close at all even now.

All just my opinion.


I guess I never knew that Cindy didn't tell GA until later. I assumed he was the one Cindy was talking to in the background of the thirs 911 call.
When she said Zanny took Caylee....Who was it then, Lee??

TIA

[HANNAH ROSE]

6. Deep down they know that Caylee and is dead and Casey killed her and they can't face the truth and that's why their denial is so deep. The truth is far too painful.

You can't be in denial if you don't on some level know something you have to deny.

I agree. I also agree that George knows that the evidence thus far is pointing straight at his daughter which is why he's beginning to display anger and frustration.

I think that women tend to keep convincing themselves that their child couldn't do something this horrible but men eventuallly separate their emotions from logic and logic wins out. Again, just like Jackie and Lee Peterson. Lee did not attend the verdict hearing at Scott's trial because he knew Scott was/is guilty, IMO.

[totallyBARD]

I have to agree with DeeN. Unfortunately, I could not yet convict, until there is more evidence tying the mother to this probable crime. There are still so many unknowns.

I feel that Caylee is no longer alive, and hope her body can be found, which could provide so much more information.

I understand the police are holding evidence back. Yet they have not charged the mother with murder, so that tells me more evidence needs to be obtained......

[AnnInOhio]

#1. They know Caylee is dead and that Casey did it, but they'll lie their heads off to keep Casey out of jail.

I agree they know Caylee is dead, and they strongly suspect that Casey is responsible. I think their lies are not to keep Casey out of jail so much as to try to manipulate her into telling them where Caylee's body is, what happened and why. I think they feel somewhat responsible because they know Casey and her history, and feel they should have done more to get custody of Caylee as soon as Casey left their home last June.

[FrankieBones1]

6. Deep down they know that Caylee and is dead and Casey killed her and they can't face the truth and that's why their denial is so deep. The truth is far too painful.

You can't be in denial if you don't on some level know something you have to deny.

I choose number six as well.

[redcard]

Something else worth noting, as a detective friend told me.

The police are not required to be honest with the press, or with the suspects. They can use and have used deception in order to make it appear like they have more evidence than they actually do in an attempt to force a party to come to the table for a deal.

So just because Nancy Grace says that LE and the FBI have said they have this evidence does not necessarily mean it will show up in trial. Remember, in the Duke LaCrosse case, the police was stating they had DNA evidence and the like.

The police are allowed to use deception and have done so in the past. They're allowed to lie to Nancy Grace and "leak" information and have done so in attempts to put pressure on their suspects. It's only when it comes before a jury that evidence can truly be trusted and vetted.

So just understand, that when you say "based on the evidence we have now", what you mean is "If the police are not using deception to try to trick someone into a confession or into making a mistake and the evidence is truly there.."

[psunate77]

NO!

People who say yes are B.S. and wouldn't be a fair juror at all. They are going off of Nancy Grace and not the evidence which was found and would be presented.

[BJames]

As a poster? I think that she is as guilty as they come.
But as a juror? I want/need to hear the defense and what exactly LE has on her.
I am also leaning towards one or both of her parents being charged before this is all over...it almost seems as if this is a all a big 'game' to these folks.

Just my opinion of course...

[redcard]

This is only a sampling of the KNOWN facts where this case is concerned, too. Add the forensics and it's, GAME OVER.

I don't think the forensics is there, tbh.

The body farm / trunk air will never hold up in court. Ever.

The chloroform can be explained away by pool chemicals and tainting of the chain of custody.

Unless Caylee's body is found, we're not going to have forensics that are going to be presentable here.

I agree with your "making the jury hate the mother" answer.. but there right now isn't enough evidence to make a prima facie case for murder. The best we've got right now is manslaughter until something comes up that moves this case forward into something new.

[BJames]

I agree with number six as well, but something is going to have to give in that family. How long can they dance around the pink elephant in the room? How do any of them go about putting their lives back together? At some point the speculation is going to put at least one of them over the edge...how can any of them have 'closure' without at least knowing where baby Caylee's body is?
Is it meant to hang in the air forever? Do you talk about the weather? Just get rid of her play house in the backyard and all of her toys?
Right now they have the media to rage at in frustration...eventually they are going to have to look each other in the eye.

Just my opinion of course...

[donna]

Stacey??? Don't know who she is!

Casey Anthony - a big resounding YES - LWOP!

[margaritaville]

I agree with number six as well, but something is going to have to give in that family. How long can they dance around the pink elephant in the room? How do any of them go about putting their lives back together? At some point the speculation is going to put at least one of them over the edge...how can any of them have 'closure' without at least knowing where baby Caylee's body is?
Is it meant to hang in the air forever? Do you talk about the weather? Just get rid of her play house in the backyard and all of her toys?
Right now they have the media to rage at in frustration...eventually they are going to have to look each other in the eye.

Just my opinion of course...

And they are all not working..What pays the bills?
Won't htey eventually have to go back to work?
Who is buying their groceries? Paying their house payments?
Hoe long can they hibernate in that house??

[PhoenixRisng]

And they are all not working..What pays the bills?
Won't htey eventually have to go back to work?
Who is buying their groceries? Paying their house payments?
Hoe long can they hibernate in that house??


As long as they choose to not be on Caylee's side. :(

[i4doors]

hmmmm...#1

[cantstandnuts]

I'd have to sit through the trial and hear all the evidence from both sides before I could say. We don't know what will be introduced, what will be suppressed, that what we've been told by media is accurate and what else, if anything LE have...and we don't know what the defense will have to say and whether or not they will be able to show reasonable doubt or not.

I'm not trying to be a jerk in asking this, but if we all believe in justice and I believe we all do, then how can so many of you say you could, without sitting at the trial and seeing all that is presented in its true form, actually convict at this point? :shrug:

[cantstandnuts]

Something else worth noting, as a detective friend told me.

The police are not required to be honest with the press, or with the suspects. They can use and have used deception in order to make it appear like they have more evidence than they actually do in an attempt to force a party to come to the table for a deal.

So just because Nancy Grace says that LE and the FBI have said they have this evidence does not necessarily mean it will show up in trial. Remember, in the Duke LaCrosse case, the police was stating they had DNA evidence and the like.

The police are allowed to use deception and have done so in the past. They're allowed to lie to Nancy Grace and "leak" information and have done so in attempts to put pressure on their suspects. It's only when it comes before a jury that evidence can truly be trusted and vetted.

So just understand, that when you say "based on the evidence we have now", what you mean is "If the police are not using deception to try to trick someone into a confession or into making a mistake and the evidence is truly there.."

Exactly why I could never convict without sitting at the actual trial, hearing the actual evidence, and considering what the defense has to present. I don't know how anyone could.

[cantstandnuts]

Because the question was, knowing what we know now. Not if EVERYTHING changes on down the road. If the defense finds an alive Caylee, of course we would change our mind. So, both sides could introduce anything that could change anyone's mind tomorrow, but based on what we know today, yes, I believe she's guilty and that is what the question of this thread is.

I also don't believe the defense will find a live Caylee, but I tossed that out there to give them sort of bone (who knows, they might come up with one of their own, though doubtful). My guess is, they need all the help they can get because they don't have the luxury of getting to choose the client/circumstance in their profession. They have little to nothing to work with on this one and I wouldn't want to be their shoes, either.

Okay. Thanks for the clarification. I'd still have to sit through a trial, hear the defense and see what actually gets presented. I don't trust the media and I'm not sure that everything that's been put out there is the truth. Nor do I have any idea what the defense has, if anything to get reasonable doubt introduced.

I think what we know, if true, leads to guilty, but even this defendant deserves due process. IMO.

[Pebbles]

#1

I am leaning toward GA having assisted with the disposal and coverup. I think that's the best explanation for the grandfather's initial silence and for Cindy's complete turnaround from the frantic, terrified grandmother we heard on the 911 call to the cold and resolutely defensive person we see today.

I don't think Cindy would lie or feign denial for Casey, but I *do* think she would do so if she learned her husband could be implicated. The possibility of a wayward daughter going to prison would be an internal struggle, but if forced to consider the possibility that you could lose both your daughter *and* your husband?

Of course that then raises the question of why GA would have done such a stupid thing. I would've expected former LE to take a "you messed up, now you have to deal with the consequences" approach." :shrug:

I agree with your thoughts. I believe GA was so upset when he realized what Casey had done, his first thought was protecting Casey, he could not help his granddaughter anymore and GA felt that no one would ever find out. The family agreed to say Caylee had been kidnapped. Now the family is concentrating on protecting their secret, if Casey is not charged, then they have nothing to worry about, which is why the Anthonys want to make everyone believe that Caylee is still alive. If they admit that Caylee may be deceased then Casey can be charged with murder and GA will go down with her.

I also feel the Anthonys want the public to feel they are the victims of LE, media and public because then if any charges come about, there might be a public outcry if the Anthonys can get the public on to feel sorry for them, which is where the new attorney comes in.

[ALL RISE]

for the family to just ignored the fact that Caylee was missing; and gone on with their lives literally like Casey is doing if they were involved? Curious?

[BJames]

for the family to just ignored the fact that Caylee was missing; and gone on with their lives literally like Casey is doing if they were involved? Curious?


I don't think that Casey ever thought that Cindy would come and 'find' her at Tony's, she could move on with them thinking that she was just holding Caylee against them. For a while she could still tell folks that Caylee was with the 'Nanny' and/or the grandparents, as she switched over friends less and less seemed to know 'where' Caylee was...nor were they concerned...why would they be?
If Cindy hadn't found out through Amy where Tony's was and that Casey was there...they would have been none the wiser even today.
I think she got caught off guard being questioned by Lee and Cindy...and hence we have the 'Nanny Tale'.

Just my opinion of course...

[CardinalLady]

Hi Everyone: I am new to the board, however, have been lurking for quite some time. I have been following this case very closely like all of you and have one question that I have never saw asked or answered in any way.
Here goes: If little Caylee did indeed have a nanny, (whomever it was), for 1 1/2 yrs. as has been reported by Casey, Cindy and even friends mentioning a nanny, then "wouldn't Caylee have mentioned things about the nanny to her mommy and grandmother? I haven't heard Cindy, George or anyone for that matter mention things Caylee said about the nanny.
I have a granddaughter the very same age and she tells me things all the time about her babysitter, especially when I ask her. She will tell me things like what she did that day, what she ate for lunch, she took a nap and where she slept in the house, etc.. She even brings home pictures she has colored there and crafts they have done.
So the bottom line is, IMO there never was a nanny, (especially the same one Zenida for that long), or the family and friends would be talking about what Caylee said about her nanny!
I would love to ask Nancy Grace this one!
Casey is truly guilty IMO and I don't know how she can sleep at night!

[kitty1182]

Hi and Welcome:seeya:

I never believed the nanny story...One of the many lies of Casey..

[camracrazy]

I've always thought that this was one of the reasons things came to a head. When Caylee was a baby Casey could do whatever she wanted and no one would be the wiser. But when Caylee started talking better and could answer her GP's questions, Casey's lies would have been more obvious. For example, if Casey said she was going to work but really went to the mall or Amy's house, and the GP's asked Caylee, "What did you do at the sitter's today?" Caylee might have looked confused and said, "We went to the mall." or "I was at Amy's." Kids that age are really honest and often just blurt things out that maybe you didn't want everyone to hear (at least mine did!) :D

[margaritaville]

I don't think that Casey ever thought that Cindy would come and 'find' her at Tony's, she could move on with them thinking that she was just holding Caylee against them. For a while she could still tell folks that Caylee was with the 'Nanny' and/or the grandparents, as she switched over friends less and less seemed to know 'where' Caylee was...nor were they concerned...why would they be?
If Cindy hadn't found out through Amy where Tony's was and that Casey was there...they would have been none the wiser even today.
I think she got caught off guard being questioned by Lee and Cindy...and hence we have the 'Nanny Tale'.

Just my opinion of course...


ITA- I remember hearing something about a marine that Casey was involved with that was out in Cali. I wonder if that wasn't her plan to steal enough money to get herself out there?..Then she could just disappear and her parents would never know.........

moo

Just a thought!

[Pruddennce]

Hi Everyone: I am new to the board, however, have been lurking for quite some time. I have been following this case very closely like all of you and have one question that I have never saw asked or answered in any way.
Here goes: If little Caylee did indeed have a nanny, (whomever it was), for 1 1/2 yrs. as has been reported by Casey, Cindy and even friends mentioning a nanny, then "wouldn't Caylee have mentioned things about the nanny to her mommy and grandmother? I haven't heard Cindy, George or anyone for that matter mention things Caylee said about the nanny.
I have a granddaughter the very same age and she tells me things all the time about her babysitter, especially when I ask her. She will tell me things like what she did that day, what she ate for lunch, she took a nap and where she slept in the house, etc.. She even brings home pictures she has colored there and crafts they have done.
So the bottom line is, IMO there never was a nanny, (especially the same one Zenida for that long), or the family and friends would be talking about what Caylee said about her nanny!
I would love to ask Nancy Grace this one!
Casey is truly guilty IMO and I don't know how she can sleep at night!

Casey was fired in April 2006 and hasnt had a job since that time...so....no need to have a nanny or babysitter.....what she did all day? nobody knows.....

best regards,
Pru

[kaelieanne]

Aren't you the REAL CA? Posting from your attorney's office, maybe?
------
NannieGrannie, why would you say this to me? I'm new here, but I think I just discovered the definition of "troll".

[Hey Paula]

Casey was fired in April 2006 and hasnt had a job since that time...so....no need to have a nanny or babysitter.....what she did all day? nobody knows.....

best regards,
Pru

Hi Pru!

I wonder who watched Caylee when Casey worked in 2006?

I've always wondered what Casey did all day, especially since her friends attended school or worked themselves.

[Pruddennce]

Hi Pru!

I wonder who watched Caylee when Casey worked in 2006?

I've always wondered what Casey did all day, especially since her friends attended school or worked themselves.


hey hey Paula!

Cindy stated in the bail hearing that Casey's best friend Lauren would come to the house to watch infant Caylee AND when 'she' got engaged to JESSEE, Jessee and the Grund family would babysit.....*then she said in the bail hearing she thought Jessee was Caylee's father*......

(Im not sure if she is referring to "SHE" as Lauren and Jessee getting engaged or Casey and Jessee???)

what is interesting also in the bond hearing she states she doesnt really know what George's job is, you will have to ask him she tells the attorney crossing her...(he just started that job on MONDAY, the day before she found casey)...

also, she has COMMUNICATIONS (the emails) that Casey has a job, but she hasnt been able to verify that..which means she knows about the bogus emails Casey sent herself.

ZG became Casey's phantom nanny right after she got fired in April 2006

best regards,
Pru

[CardinalLady]

Thank you to everyone for your thoughts on this subject!
I don't believe for a moment Caylee stayed with any nanny or babysitter on a consistent basis. So the answer remains, if Caylee wasn't with her grandparents or Casey, where in the h**l was she? Her friends have already stated they rarely saw little Caylee.
Casey's parents have to know more than they are letting on because if there was a nanny, they would be speaking up about her!
I think Cindy & George have alot of skeletons in their closet concerning this mess or they wouldn't have refused a polygraph!

[zippy]

I believe in Caseys mind she was the "nanny." Definition: Nanny-Take care of one or more children in a family home-custodian of a child. Work 50 or more hours a week, does not do housework, make beds or do laundry. Who according to Casey has sometimes straight or curly hair, lives in different apts., cannot connect through phone calls, takes to the beach, Universal City, etc. This all describes "Casey," who was being paid by Mom. Till she left and resorted to theft. MYO

[Shotzie]

I would vote "GUILTY" in a New York minute.:beer:

[redcard]

I ran across this again and thought you might be interested. I am no chemist, but this is where I got my prior statement from in regards to the chloroform.


The problem is, it seems that one source is saying trace, and the other is not.

Look, if it's pure choloroform, she had to have ordered it.. had it delivered.. or something similar. We've not heard any evidence of that, and we've heard a lot of rumors.

I bet during trial, if it ever gets there, we find out that the chloroform was a cross contaminate of pool chemicals, florida heat , and luminol.

[Fallen Angel]

IFCaylee comes home alive only thing i will question is......WHO WAS THE DEAD PERSON IN THE CAR??

[Dogmatic]

What would you think of Casey, how the media handled it, and how the LE handled it? Would your opinions of George and Cindy Anthony change?


1. I would do the "happy dance"
2. I would re-evaluate my complete faith in trained scent dogs
3. I would re-evaluate my respect for the "Body Farm" and their conclusions
4. My compassion for the Anthony grandparents would triple
5. My opinion of Casey would be the same
6. I would still respect LE because they were fed lies from the beginning and can't be expected to wade through a swamp of lies and come up with a perfect solution

[2Hope4]

I believe in Caseys mind she was the "nanny." Definition: Nanny-Take care of one or more children in a family home-custodian of a child. Work 50 or more hours a week, does not do housework, make beds or do laundry. Who according to Casey has sometimes straight or curly hair, lives in different apts., cannot connect through phone calls, takes to the beach, Universal City, etc. This all describes "Casey," who was being paid by Mom. Till she left and resorted to theft. MYO

Oh zippy, I'd love to believe this was true, and that up to the point that 'whatever' happened to Caylee, Casey was being a mother. I'd love to believe Casey really took Caylee to all kinds of fun things, and enjoyed being with her.

However, my heart tells me different. Something within isn't allowing me to believe Caylee's life was filled with love, and fun things. I'm tearing up just thinking of the life I believe Caylee had. I often think Casey did go do those fun things, and she had to be somewhere while she was pretending to work for those two years. But I don't think Caylee was with her durning those times. Little Marcus Fizer (sp?) keeps coming to mind. I pray Caylee wasn't left in a closet alone for hours. Or left in a room by herself while Casey did her thing. I think Casey had Caylee around when she could get attention. You know how people will notice a small child, and that gives a breaking ground to start a conversation. Kinda like someone walking their dog, and meeting people. Most people are drawn to a small child, and a puppy or dog. IMO, Casey wanted Caylee when it suited Casey, and when Casey could benefit from it.

(Sorry, lost my train of thought...)

[zippy]

As long as Casey was living at home, most times there was that "love", but when Cindy found out "some" things and used the term for Casey to bond with Caylee for 1 month or less. So with all the lies she told, she had to bluff her way. But that only worked when she was safe and secure living at home, now she was in the real world. No income, no real place to live and now she had "total" responsibility for Caylee, new men to meet and of course parties. And to keep out of contact with Cindy. So the game began. Thats why I believe the description she gave for the nanny was herself. And this all was the betrayal Cindy wrote about on July 3rd. Caylee became the pawn. Sad very sad.:rose:

[margaritaville]

What would you think of Casey, how the media handled it, and how the LE handled it? Would your opinions of George and Cindy Anthony change?


My opinion of Casey would not change.. she is a manipulating b--ch!
IF Caylee came home alive I pray to God that she is placed in a family that will love her and protect her and keep her away from her Mother FOREVER............

MOO

[johnielee333]

IFCaylee comes home alive only thing i will question is......WHO WAS THE DEAD PERSON IN THE CAR??

wow good one !

[johnielee333]

IF Caylee was alive & came home, i would be very happy. my feelings about Casey would stay the same & my feelings about the parents & brother Lee would change alittle.

[Fallen Angel]

I just wonder if they really do have evidence of a dead person. moo

the body farm doesn't lie

[Marianne]

Well if you're a betting man/woman, I surely hope you don't bet too much. It seems to me that you're always stating what we don't know, but when the term vaporized chloroform was tossed out there and interpreted by someone educated in the field, you'd still put your money elsewhere, based on nothing but a guess on your part.

Now, I don't know what to make of this really, but according to another source, this is a picture that Ricardo Morales used to have on his site.
http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/aa308/Rayny_bucket/?action=view&current=RicardoMorales1.jpg

NG has repeatedly stated that it was pure unadulterated chloroform...unmixed with any other product. it is also possible that George already had some in his garage. What we dont know are the dates of her search...

[barskin&co.]

Shall we also ask what we would say if Stacey Peterson shows up and says, "Hi guys, I just ran off with my boyfriend for a while. Has anyone been looking of me?"

[barskin&co.]

Shall we also ask what we would say if Stacey Peterson shows up and says, "Hi guys, I just ran off with my boyfriend for a while. Has anyone been looking of me?"


I must quote myself, and add that there is more chance of Stacey Peterson showing up, than Caylee, and I think there's a snowball's chance in he!! of Stacey coming home.

:rose:

[Fallen Angel]

I must quote myself, and add that there is more chance of Stacey Peterson showing up, than Caylee, and I think there's a snowball's chance in he!! of Stacey coming home.

:rose:

Ditto:beer:

[Lorakai]

"If" Caylee came home alive....

I would hope that she was found unharmed and in good condition. I would hope that her family would take better care of Caylee from that moment on and learn from their mistakes. I would have faith that Caylee could have a normal life after all of this, and I would hope that as she grows older and wiser that she will not suffer anymore from this case. I would not think differently about the Anthony's or LE, I would just be overwhelmingly overjoyed that Caylee was not dead.

[kitty1182]

My answer would be an emphatic NO! I would not for one second feel differently about this family given how they have done nothing to prove her being alive or even shown ONE SINGLE bit of emotion of her being misssing or alive. I feel this family has no credibility but if Caylee were to be returned to them in the next day I would be happy and only for that beautiful child, not that family. I would immediately initiate a web protest that she be taken from their custody. I wouldn't want any one of them around that child espeically Casey or Cindy. JMO

:beer::beer:

[Larkin]

After hearing all the chilling, nonchalant out and out lies from Casey on the tapes today with 3 seasoned detectives...

"Actually, Absolutely" I could! :o

[CardinalLady]

Based on what has been presented so far....I would convict...guilty of murder.

I most definitely say guilty of murder based on her demeanor from the very beginning! Any normal mother would be so distraught and upset that she would be unable to control her emotions if her baby were missing! She would use all media time to just beg through her tears and chokes of sobs for the kidnappers to bring her baby home!
Instead, she just locks up and says nothing!
Just like Scott Peterson showed "no emotion" and resembled Casey's actions in many ways - he was found "guilty"!!
:cuss:

[Larkin]

The question posed here, "If a Juror~Could You Convict Now?", is rather redundant considering the fact that if you're a Juror, you should wait until you've heard all of the evidence before making a decision of conviction, and as we all know, very few facts are known here other than Casey lies, and Caylee is missing.

Based on the question and the Constitutional direction that Jurors are supposed to employ, I think the answer should be a resounding NO.



With all due respect, do you really believe a truly compelling defense argument, no matter what it is... can undo the damage done through Casey's own mouth, as well as her family's thus far? It would have to be something straight out of a James Bond movie, and even that would be a stretch. Jmho...

Carry on...

[kellabeck]

IFCaylee comes home alive only thing i will question is......WHO WAS THE DEAD PERSON IN THE CAR??

Caylee, sad to say, is not coming home at all, and certainly not alive. The OP's hypothetical is moot.

But FallenAngel's question is spot on!!

[MyrDawn]

Caylee, sad to say, is not coming home at all, and certainly not alive. The OP's hypothetical is moot.

But FallenAngel's question is spot on!!


ITA

It's as impossible for me to imagine how I'd feel about all of it if Caylee came home alive as it is for me to imagine how I'd feel if I was in the exact same situation as Cindy and I acted like her. It's just not going to happen.

JMO

[desmom]

Great Posts and I agree with all of the above. I do want to add....

IF Caylee came home alive, I hope the courts order Casey to work community service to repay every cent it has cost the taxpayers of Orange County, Texas Equusearch, Kid Finder's Network and all the other groups, organizations and individuals that spent $$ and time looking for Caylee. jmo

[SavannahStar]

My answer would be an emphatic NO! I would not for one second feel differently about this family given how they have done nothing to prove her being alive or even shown ONE SINGLE bit of emotion of her being misssing or alive. I feel this family has no credibility but if Caylee were to be returned to them in the next day I would be happy and only for that beautiful child, not that family. I would immediately initiate a web protest that she be taken from their custody. I wouldn't want any one of them around that child espeically Casey or Cindy. JMO

Even if Caylee were found alive, she would not go back to Casey because Casey will be in jail for the charges related to Amy's checks, plus child neglect and whatever that other charge was concerning lying to police. IMO, she will be convicted of all those charges regardless of whether or not Caylee is found alive (which I doubt very much will happen). Depending on Casey's sentences, Caylee could well be 18 by the time Casey gets out of jail.

As to the GPs getting custody of Caylee, IMO, that would probably happen, regardless of what any message board posters think. Barring any unforeseen charges against them, which I think is unlikely. I doubt a "web protest" would accomplish one iota of anything. And I shudder to even imagine FL DCF basing a decision on public opinion.

[redcard]

You can't even tell me the charges that we'd be convicting of.

And if you can't even tell me what the crime committed was, then you can't expect someone to be found guilty. I mean, do you seriously want to live in a nation where you're able to be thrown in jail indefinitely because someone SUSPECTS you MIGHT have done something?

Yes, it's obvious in this case, she likely did. But what makes you think that'd matter in other cases?

[redcard]

Well, in all honesty, no one on this board could ever be a juror anyway, so that too is a bit redundant, is it not?

So for me, it boils down to more of: Do you THINK Casey is guilty? To that my reply is, YES, I do think Casey is guilty. Guilty of what? I think she is guilty of murder 1.

To be guilty of murder in the first, you must have a murder that has been premeditated and executed in "cold blood."

I don't think you'll prove this here.

[Shotzie]

I believe the only way Caylee comes home alive.
Is this has been a scam from the beginning.
Wanting to get attention and make money.

This crossed my mind just today and I thought Whoa could this really have happened, with the way Casey is so cool and Cindy has to be on drugs to keep so calm when she talks, going around to all these TV Stations, getting big bucks..hammer

So No I don't want to think this was done.
She is not coming home except when they find her little body.
I wish with all my heart she would Come home Alive. I have one of her purple Caylee missing bracelets, that I will wear til she does come home, but I don't see it happening with all the evidence.

[Cait48]

Casey's pathology is as sick as OJ's.

it is sickening to watch.

oh, and i almost choked when she referred to the non-existant babysitter, as her....NANNY??? WHAT??

this is a girl who had no job and was stealing left and right. how does one afford a NANNY when you are that poor?

Casey has delusions of grandeur. she likes to place herself above all others and better than all others.

her parents are a sad couple so caught up in denial themselves.

i can barely watch this story at times, with all the dysfunction and deceit involved. the whole family is a controlling mess.

Cindy needs to just stay in the house and close that garage door instead of always being outside being more antagonized and antagonizing others.

Cait

[River1]

I have been lurking for some time, following this case since the baby was reported missing..breaks my heart.

IMO there was never any nanny or babysitter for Caylee. Babysitters cost a pretty penny, a "nanny" cost a fortune and it's obvious Casey was broke. Babysitters usually do not continue to babysit without pay and most want pay a week ahead now.My thought is that Casey got angry with her mother because maybe her mother finally gave Casey some tought love over the parties, money, unemployment...so Casey takes Caylee away to punish Cindy. I have seen this a few times with some young moms I know, one on my family. They use the child as a tool to manipulate the grandparents. I have a niece who gets mad at her mother over this or that and the first thing she does is restrict my sisters time with the baby....She took Caylee away and something bad happened to the child accident maybe, maybe not but Caylee is no longer with us and Casey knows exactly what happened..

[MyrDawn]

I have been lurking for some time, following this case since the baby was reported missing..breaks my heart.

IMO there was never any nanny or babysitter for Caylee. Babysitters cost a pretty penny, a "nanny" cost a fortune and it's obvious Casey was broke. Babysitters usually do not continue to babysit without pay and most want pay a week ahead now.My thought is that Casey got angry with her mother because maybe her mother finally gave Casey some tought love over the parties, money, unemployment...so Casey takes Caylee away to punish Cindy. I have seen this a few times with some young moms I know, one on my family. They use the child as a tool to manipulate the grandparents. I have a niece who gets mad at her mother over this or that and the first thing she does is restrict my sisters time with the baby....She took Caylee away and something bad happened to the child accident maybe, maybe not but Caylee is no longer with us and Casey knows exactly what happened..

Welcome! :seeya:

I can see you've given this a lot of thought and your theory is one that may well be the truth. I do believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death, either accidental due to negligence or deliberate murder.

Something else to consider was Caylee's age and Casey's pathological lying. Caylee was starting to talk pretty well and may have started saying things that Casey couldn't allow others to hear because they'd expose her lies, so she decided to get rid of the "problem".

JMO

[Marianne]

Hi Pru!

I wonder who watched Caylee when Casey worked in 2006?

I've always wondered what Casey did all day, especially since her friends attended school or worked themselves.

Over on the Links thread Jesse Grund's father claims Caylee was over there almost every day.

[River1]

The grandparents are in denile, they know Caylee is gone, they know Casey is responsible. I do not think they have anything to do with the death of the child or disposing of the body or anything afterwards. I base my opinion on one of Cindy 911 calls where she reports the daughter is back but without the grandaughter. I think Caylee left this world some time before Cindy made that call...it also leads me to think Casey did use Kaylee to keep the parents in line...if that makes sense.

The grandparents are probly feeling alot of guilt , likely alot of co-dependence issues between Casey and the parents and maybe when they finally started some tough love she used Caylee agianst them like " ok fine you won't be seeing my daughter anymore" and maybe the parents said fine, go ahead, if that's the way you want it...and look what came of it.

[nutterbutter]

What would you think of Casey, how the media handled it, and how the LE handled it? Would your opinions of George and Cindy Anthony change?

she wont come home alive but it still would not change my opinion of this family.moo

[Armchairdet]

If Cindy and/or George really believed there was a Zenaida, and that she was last seen with Caylee it would seem they would at some point have looked into a television camera and begged her to bring Caylee back to them.

[spicedtea]

What would you think of Casey, how the media handled it, and how the LE handled it? Would your opinions of George and Cindy Anthony change?

Firstly,I'd be jumping for joy if Caylee were still alive and came home. Secondly,it really wouldn't change my opinion on how the case was handled or the family themselves.

The police seem to be doing a fantastic job considering how difficult the case is so my respect would stay the same.

But there's no real way she could be still alive tragically,the evidence so far is pretty strong to her being dead by her own mothers hand. :(

[kitty1182]

If she were to found alive, I pray Casey and her mom and dad, never get their hands on her again..

[johnielee333]

i think they know deep down Caylee died & at the hands of Casey.
they really dont want to accept that & therefor are in denile. they went into protection mode as to protect Casey,their only other living girl.

[johnielee333]

there is no nanny & never has been.

[shellzbi]

I'm sad to say, that I truly believe that they know that there beloved Caylee is no longer.

Cindy and George loved that little girl. Very sad. IMO

[shellzbi]

Caylee, never had a nanny. Like I never had a sister.

[Annie143]

Sadly, I do not think Calylee's body will be found. It was too well disposed of. I think the GP's know what happened or are complicit in some way. And, the longer the body goes undiscovered, the less able the cause of death can be determined or evidence found.

I think once the grandparents knew, this was all planned out in an effort to protect Casey. She convinced them it was either an accident and they helped dispose of Caylee or that someone, indeed, has taken Caylee. Whoever posed the theory that she convinced them that it was someone else in the trunk and Caylee was taken to keep her quiet doesnt sound too farfetched. Not with this bunch but it just may work.

All she has to do is keep quiet, they all keep quiet about what they know. Casey may serve some time but, the kind of time she would serve if murder or reckless endangerment of a child were the charge would be a lot more. And after she gets out, I think they will be a book written, etc, etc. I wouldnt buy that book or read a magazine article about the case for all the gold in China, nothing to give these scumbags anymore attention or money. I dont consider them normal people.

[Marianne]

Cindy Anthony is no shrinking violet and I think we have all come to know her well enough to be assured that if she had ever heard that her granddaughter were being taken care of by a nanny- she would insist on knowing that nanny's name, address, and phone number. Not only that, but you can bet that Cindy would have met the woman.

This phantom babysitter does not exist outside of Casey's imagination.

Disagree. Cindy knew from the getgo that there was someone Casey called the "Zanny" and that was where Caylee was going everyday and doing great things with like going to the beach.

Casey made it seem like everything was just fine. Even Cindy in the bond hearing says she never questioned more deeply because she thought there wasnt any need to. For a month Casey put her off about talking to Caylee making Cindy feel guilty for calling at inopportune times.

[VII]

Disagree. Cindy knew from the getgo that there was someone Casey called the "Zanny" and that was where Caylee was going everyday and doing great things with like going to the beach.

Casey made it seem like everything was just fine. Even Cindy in the bond hearing says she never questioned more deeply because she thought there wasnt any need to. For a month Casey put her off about talking to Caylee making Cindy feel guilty for calling at inopportune times.

So again, who was paying for the sitter to do all these fun things while "mom" was doing all HER fun things?

I can see, though, how Cindy wouldn't have questioned more deeply as who KNOWS what Casey was telling her. She probably told Cindy she was now working on the set of America's Next Model and Cindy believed it.

It does sound, though, that the Anthony's may have been trying to get Casey to take responsiblity for her child. She lied to them, "doin' GREAT" (which is what they wanted/needed to hear) and held out hope for the best. She'd probably pulled that crap on them before and they just thought she'd eventually come around w/Caylee, needing a sitter.

Sad.
Perhaps Cindy or George will pull the glaze from their eyes and get a statement from their daughter, one way or the other. I'd already be beYOND my threshold for it.

[zippy]

I believe that Casey thought of herself as being the "nanny" because everything she needed was given to her by her mother, reason not to seek employment. But had to lie to Mom to keep up appearances. But we know she left sometime with Caylee. Now since she had no place to reside, where could she take Caylee? Most of her new friends and old friends worked or were in school, can't deposit her there, can't take her back home, but could of hid out there when Cindy & George were working. But seems George got new job day of bond hearing so that door started closing. So who saw Casey & Caylee during the day anywhere,stores, parks, libraries or in the car? No reported sighting that we heard about. :shrug: miss hearing her laugh:rose:

[Marianne]

Well if you're a betting man/woman, I surely hope you don't bet too much. It seems to me that you're always stating what we don't know, but when the term vaporized chloroform was tossed out there and interpreted by someone educated in the field, you'd still put your money elsewhere, based on nothing but a guess on your part.

Now, I don't know what to make of this really, but according to another source, this is a picture that Ricardo Morales used to have on his site.
http://s196.photobucket.com/albums/aa308/Rayny_bucket/?action=view&current=RicardoMorales1.jpg


How sick is that? And doesn't that explain a lot/ perhaps why Casey was looking it up? Wouldn't anyone if their boyfriend had this? How sick.

thanks for finding this pic and posting it.