Monday, Sept 8th, PM thread

[why-me]

Is there protesters at the house tonight?

LOL of course not, my cam is working tonight.

[anyonesguess]

:eek: that doesn't sound so bad to me.

That was the way I always looked at it too msjoni. They didn't have any bills to pay. They lived for visiting times with families and their commissary imo.

[Joan Weiss]

Too bad I'm not close enough to park my a!! in front of the crazy old lady's driveway.Careful now, you're gonna be old someday. A mother, grandmother, g grandmother...

She did the search, crazy, old, or whatever. :cool:

[kakax]

she might share:cool:


:) She does seem awful nice!

[bchand]

I kind of wondered that as well. Anyone heard about this?


From the article:

Eyewitness News also learned Cindy Anthony had gone to a counselor who told her to kick Casey out. Cindy was worried Casey would take Caylee with her, so the counselor told her to try to get legal custody of Caylee.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17421473/detail.html


Seems like just Cindy.

[spiritwolf46]

I'm thankful NG is still covering it so much. Soon it will be off to other stories though if nothing further breaks.

For Caylee :rose:

Sadly you are right, kakax, and that just breaks my heart. :(

[kakax]

LOL of course not, my cam is working tonight.


Isn't that the truth. It is almost as if activity crashes the cam!!

[spiritwolf46]

From the article:

Eyewitness News also learned Cindy Anthony had gone to a counselor who told her to kick Casey out. Cindy was worried Casey would take Caylee with her, so the counselor told her to try to get legal custody of Caylee.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17421473/detail.html


Seems like just Cindy.

Thank you so much.

[kakax]

From the article:

Eyewitness News also learned Cindy Anthony had gone to a counselor who told her to kick Casey out. Cindy was worried Casey would take Caylee with her, so the counselor told her to try to get legal custody of Caylee.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17421473/detail.html


Seems like just Cindy.


I wonder how this information got out! We know that family would never have leaked it. Counselor couldn't have...had to have been extended family, LE, or friends.

[anyonesguess]

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Yes and he`s pumping her up......he`s a counselor to her.......I can just imagine the whole office is making her feel at home.........that's their job. He has no idea when she may be arrested again. He said himself he did not trust the privacy in jail this could be their last chance.

They have the current set of charges to work on and decide if they may try to cop a plea (if at all possible) to get them out of the way and out of mind..... as quickly as possible if they see more serious charges coming down. She will have to do some time......I cannot imagine her getting off all those charges with no time.

If and when she is charged with murder......Baez takes all he has gathered on his own and from discovery........gives it to Casey ....THEN Casey`s story takes shape molded around the evidence and witness statements (good luck with that one). So they will have to be mighty careful how they handle the charges she now has pending so as to make sure any defense they put forward does not trample over a more serious defense down the road (good luck again)........IT IS TRICKY yet for us on the sidelines....very interesting indeed....

I think also JB has directed her to wear clothes that make her look young and innocent. Hair in pony tail, baseball cap, tennies, you know, the all american innocent girl look imo. It is all being choreographed by JB imo.

[why-me]

Too bad I'm not close enough to park my a!! in front of the crazy old lady's driveway.

Pick me up, I'll go with you LOL

[kakax]

Yes that can't be the breaking news i have already read that today:D


And Greta didn't even mention it. Nancy's producer did didn't she? It's all running together for me.

[spiritwolf46]

Friends? Sorry, could not help it.I wonder how this information got out! We know that family would never have leaked it. Counselor couldn't have...had to have been extended family, LE, or friends.

[101Spots]

Bottom line is that the public doesn't get to choose how much time Casey is allowed, by Right, to spend with her Attorney.

That's just not how it works.

And Baez is milking that for all its worth, plus a bit more.

Darn. Darndarndarn.

Doesn't mean I have to like it.

[Shellberry]

Isn't that the truth. It is almost as if activity crashes the cam!!

someone just walked by my cam. yellow hair lady with blue shirt.
they have it at such a crazy angle now, you cant really see anything

[Joan Weiss]

Yes, I agree. I was referring to the moral and ethical reasons (or lack of) of why the protesters would should up at a protest. :seeya:Well, some of them are from the search parties, so I assume they're dang angry after tramping around all day in the heat, mosquitos, water, alligators and snakes looking for that baby, while the Anthonys sit in their nice air-conditioned house all day, pampering the princess. imo

[kakax]

Friends? Sorry, could not help it.

LOL right!

[bchand]

And Greta didn't even mention it. Nancy's producer did didn't she? It's all running together for me.


Greta had nothing, zero, zilch. She's chasing Sarah Palin for an interview.

Of course, there really isn't nothing to report about. I really don't care to watch Casey being driven to see her attorney every day from now til Nov 17th.

I hope they charge her with something more substantial soon.

[kakax]

Sorry...trying to play a quick game of catch-up....did Casey ever make it home tonight? Was it ever determined if she was late, etc?

I am assuming she did make it home on time, no one said otherwise.

[Kathlb]

From the article:

Eyewitness News also learned Cindy Anthony had gone to a counselor who told her to kick Casey out. Cindy was worried Casey would take Caylee with her, so the counselor told her to try to get legal custody of Caylee.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17421473/detail.html


Seems like just Cindy.


Way too little, way too late IMHO. Cindy should have started the tough love back when Casey was young and followed through. A child with personality disorders needs it from youth throughout the growing years and above all, consistently. Guidance, responsibility for their actions and discipline with lots of love always. I don't think anything went on there but enabling and cover ups all along the way. And you see the end product. A monster.

[anyonesguess]

Your right but she will never look innocent to be no matter what she has on.................jmo

I agree. I am sure she will be dressed very conservatively during trial in something they would never in a lifetime worn before this happened.

[evalles]

The lady that George pushed did search with TES earlier that day. She stated so on NG tonight. After the search ended for the day they came out to the Anthony's. So you must have missed that info DG.

She didn't say that she searched. She said there were 2500 searchers and then the protesters.

[Keegan]

Way too little, way too late IMHO. Cindy should have started the tough love back when Casey was young and followed through. A child with personality disorders needs it from youth throughout the growing years and above all, consistently. Guidance, responsibility for their actions and discipline with lots of love always. I don't think anything went on there but enabling and cover ups all along the way. And you see the end product. A monster.

Where was she diagnosed with a personality disorder? Is there a link?

[Joan Weiss]

Did NG verify if the lady was actually on the search or just there to start trouble?George is the one who started the trouble. Did you miss the video? Of course, he didn't choos a strong, big man to fight with. Had to intimidate an "old lady." One of the searchers for his granddaughter. imo

[msjoni]

Too bad they haven't followed your belief in their behavior.

It is too bad, they should just walk up and down the sidewalk quietly with their signs, and the Anthony's should stay out of the front yard.

[spiritwolf46]

Did NG verify if the lady was actually on the search or just there to start trouble?


If you did not watch it tonight, perhaps you could look and read the transcript? :shrug:

[anyonesguess]

True. But when she walks into the courtroom and suddenly the lights dim and the temp in the room drops 30 or 40 degrees, it won't matter what she's wearing. :cool:

Very true SayWhat. You can dress up a pig, but in the end it is still a pig.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Thanks, bchand! :seeya: The counselor must have thought Cindy had a chance to take custody and Cindy may have made the mistake of telling Casey so. I understand that there is no case for Murder 1 at this point, but I really believe that is what happened. Yes, it could have been an accident, but the timing in combination with Casey's behavior afterwards is awfully suspicious.

I don't understand how Cindy can continue to support Casey. I really don't. I don't understand how she can look at her.


I don't know if you have read my THEORY based on what I know but I believe it's because Casey has totally convinced her and her family *It was an accident* That's how she does it. She lost one. She doesn't want to lose another. IMO

[spiritwolf46]

True. But when she walks into the courtroom and suddenly the lights dim and the temp in the room drops 30 or 40 degrees, it won't matter what she's wearing. :cool:

OMG that is so funny! THE VISUAL is GREAT!

[bchand]

Thanks, bchand! :seeya: The counselor must have thought Cindy had a chance to take custody and Cindy may have made the mistake of telling Casey so. I understand that there is no case for Murder 1 at this point, but I really believe that is what happened. Yes, it could have been an accident, but the timing in combination with Casey's behavior afterwards is awfully suspicious.

I don't understand how Cindy can continue to support Casey. I really don't. I don't understand how she can look at her.


Plus all the LIES she's told since Casey's arrest. She said she was a wonderful mother, no signs of abuse and she'll get a mother of the year award when this is over.

If that's the case, why did she go to the counselor to begin with?

[Keegan]

I could've written that post myself, Kathlb. I so completely agree with you.

I don't agree. I believe she is a selfish young woman caught up in herself. I don't believe she has a disorder of any kind. Notice she is very able to protect herself. She has been able to lie well to make sure she doesn't go down for murder.

[bchand]

No. I saw it. I felt that George was provoked.

As I said before Scoob - George was MORE provoked by that large woman with a big sign. SHE was screaming at him. Notice he steered clear of her and went right for the old lady?

[MichelleP]

No. I saw it. I felt that George was provoked.

What do you feel provoked George?

[msjoni]

Well, some of them are from the search parties, so I assume they're dang angry after tramping around all day in the heat, mosquitos, water, alligators and snakes looking for that baby, while the Anthonys sit in their nice air-conditioned house all day, pampering the princess. imo

ITA, the past weekend there were many people protesting that were in the searches.

[Joan Weiss]

As I said before Scoob - George was MORE provoked by that large woman with a big sign. SHE was screaming at him. Notice he steered clear of her and went right for the old lady?Yeh, big man. :rolleyes:

[Kathlb]

Where was she diagnosed with a personality disorder? Is there a link?

Every psychologists I have heard including lawyers both defense and prosecution on television have said the same thing about her. Some have even used the word insane. Have I seen her sealed psychological report? No, of course not. But I have seen her in action lying, changing her lies, stone faced, only shedding tears for herself at the bond hearing and in phone discussions with her family. It's pretty obvious and even her mother Cindy, said so to her friend and to either the media or the LE at first. She admitted she lies all the time and she has been in trouble and she has to work on her to finally get to the truth. Of course this was all before she and the rest of the family formed the united front saying just the opposite. (well, she did admit to half truths and sort of lying recently to protesters.)

[Motomom]

Alright, I'm sitting here trying to finish up my work but had to jump in with my opinion as I just finished watching Nancy.. I know, I'm way behind. Whoever said the older woman who was pushed kept looking at the camara.. didnt' happen. I didnt' see her once look at the camara. I think the protesters are genuine in their caring and concern for Caylee. You can hear the emotion in their voice. Not that I would protest but.. whatever..
Yous know how I feel about the family, I go back and forth, Cindy and George need to not be out there hammering in signs when there are protesters out there. There is no reason for it and they should be out looking for Caylee if they think she is alive. It's silly for them to go out there, knowing full well that a confrontation may happen.

As far as charges being pressed against George, I think it's ridiculous. So, he pushed them, I can't blame him. It's not right, but this man is ready to blow a gasket and anyone can see it. He needs to leave the house, or stay inside and keep his hands to himself but a man can only take so much. Cindy, she likes the attention IMO. I think they truely loved caylee and want her back, but they can't handle the press, the protesters, just like they couldnt' handle their daughter.

Now what really burns me is this bull with Casey being on house arrest. She isn't on house arrest..give me a break, she's allowed out everyday to see this lawyer?? That's crazy crazy IMO.. House arrest is house arrest and she ain't on it. Makes me sick. Also, was there any media pictures of the high five between her and lee?? I'd like to see that. Even though I can barely watch anything with Casey in it..again, it makes me ILL to even look at her.. She'll get her dues I'm sure.. Karma will be around one way or another.

[OneUp]

Bottom line is that the public doesn't get to choose how much time Casey is allowed, by Right, to spend with her Attorney.

That's just not how it works.But someone does get to choose. Not Baez, not Casey...and the public has every right to agree or disagree as they see fit.
I find it irritating, but I placate myself with my complete belief that in the end we are all held accountable when it REALLY matters. No matter how annoying the "perks" she has finagled may be now, in prison, or even if she avoids charges for Caylees death altogether...that time will be just a breathe of freedom if she is truely guilty.
JMO.

[Rebel Rouzer]

What do you feel provoked George?

His daughter murdering his grandchild? My guess

[day2day]

Too bad they haven't followed your belief in their behavior.

Exactly. George Anthony doesn't have a peaceful bone in his body.
Two words for George-anger management. Before you really hurt someone.

jmo

[spiritwolf46]

I don't agree. I believe she is a selfish young woman caught up in herself. I don't believe she has a disorder of any kind. Notice she is very able to protect herself. She has been able to lie well to make sure she doesn't go down for murder.

This is true, keegan, but where did she learn that her behavior is okay to do? She was never stopped as a child and grew up to feel that this type of behavior is acceptable. JMO, of course, but I have heard this stuff a million times.

:seeya:

[Justice_Dawg]

It is too bad, they should just walk up and down the sidewalk quietly with their signs, and the Anthony's should stay out of the front yard.

Anthony's should stay out of their own front yard??? :confused:

People should take their signs home and give it a rest.

[Keegan]

Every psychologists I have heard including lawyers both defense and prosecution on television have said the same thing about her. Some have even used the word insane. Have I seen her sealed psychological report? No, of course not. But I have seen her in action lying, changing her lies, stone faced, only shedding tears for herself at the bond hearing and in phone discussions with her family. It's pretty obvious and even her mother Cindy, said so to her friend and to either the media or the LE at first. She admitted she lies all the time and she has been in trouble and she has to work on her to finally get to the truth. Of course this was all before she and the rest of the family formed the united front saying just the opposite. (well, she did admit to half truths and sort of lying recently to protesters.)

They all do that when up for murder. And the defense team always builds a nice case using personality disorders. It is a joke. There is not a damn thing wrong with this young woman except she is selfish and wanted to play. She didn't want a baby so...dispose...easy enough.

[evalles]

Pick me up, I'll go with you LOL

I'll drive you make the signs. Make one that say's old ladies should wear bras.

[anyonesguess]

What do you feel provoked George?

Hi MichelleP,

Not sure if you saw the short version or the BIT longer version of the incident. I believe there was some provocation imo, especially AFTER the shoves.

Here is the version that is a bit longer.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17418105/index.html

[Kathlb]

What do you feel provoked George?

I feel that George himself works on it and works himself up. Have you noticed at every confrontation he has his say, then turns to leave and walks away, then turns back around and comes back more angry and louder, then turns away again, then comes back again until it escalates into a full blown eruption? MOO

[kakax]

Just watched the last update on MyFox Orlando at 11.. no new news except that a protester was caught climbing a neighbors fence to get a picture of the Anthony's back yard. Obviously the neighbors are concerned.

I'm off to bed..see all you tomorrow :seeya:

Prayers for Caylee :rose: May she be found soon!!

[firefly75]

Maybe thats why he was so gentle with her. If he had put any ooomph into that push, she would have fallen, and been too sore to go on NG tonight.


I think that was all of George's "ooomph" he seems like a weasel to me! IMO

[why-me]

Just another thought. How often have you seen in the news that little Billy took a gun to school and shot the place to pieces and his parents/family/friends will say that littli Billy has always been such a good boy and has NEVER been any trouble in the past. Sorry I was born at night it just wasn't last night. Same with this case...this has been in the works for many years.

On another note, can I have some candy please?

[spiritwolf46]

Maybe thats why he was so gentle with her. If he had put any ooomph into that push, she would have fallen, and been too sore to go on NG tonight.

You are FLIPPIN KIDDING me with this?!?!? He NEVER should have layed a hand on her. PERIOD! She did not lay a hand on him, did she? What George did was wrong and that is the bottom line!

Stick and stones!

[evalles]

Maybe thats why he was so gentle with her. If he had put any ooomph into that push, she would have fallen, and been too sore to go on NG tonight.

I saw her hit him. Do you think he needs a witness ?

[Rebel Rouzer]

ITA, the past weekend there were many people protesting that were in the searches.

I don't know when those people got there or when or if they searched but the people being shown on the news don't look familiar to me as any searcher i saw. I have to say and admit. I did not see everyone and I did not pay attention to everyone. I am assuming if they went to search and they went to protest. Their mugs would have been seen and giving interviews at the command center where a lot of searchers were appraoched. I honestly could have been there at a different time and missed them. I am just saying I didn't recognize them. IMO 2500 people. ya might miss a few. lol

[Kathlb]

They all do that when up for murder. And the defense team always builds a nice case using personality disorders. It is a joke. There is not a damn thing wrong with this young woman except she is selfish and wanted to play. She didn't want a baby so...dispose...easy enough.

She isn't up for murder now and her Granddaughter wasn't even missing as I understand it when she told Casey's friend to stay away from her she was a sociopath. (I believe that's the word she used)

[spiritwolf46]

Just watched the last update on MyFox Orlando at 11.. no new news except that a protester was caught climbing a neighbors fence to get a picture of the Anthony's back yard. Obviously the neighbors are concerned.

I'm off to bed..see all you tomorrow :seeya:

Prayers for Caylee :rose: May she be found soon!!

Night kakax. Get a good nights sleep. Hopefully they will find that Angel tomorrow. :seeya:

[day2day]

Just watched the last update on MyFox Orlando at 11.. no new news except that a protester was caught climbing a neighbors fence to get a picture of the Anthony's back yard. Obviously the neighbors are concerned.

I'm off to bed..see all you tomorrow :seeya:

Prayers for Caylee :rose: May she be found soon!!

Thanks for the update kakax. Its bedtime here to. Sadly i am not on home confinement. And being a single mama..i HAVE to work so that I can feed and clothe my littleone!

Sweet dreams..ya'll!!

Caylee....:rose:

[Joan Weiss]

Alright, I'm sitting here trying to finish up my work but had to jump in with my opinion as I just finished watching Nancy.. I know, I'm way behind. Whoever said the older woman who was pushed kept looking at the camara.. didnt' happen. I didnt' see her once look at the camara. I think the protesters are genuine in their caring and concern for Caylee. You can hear the emotion in their voice. Not that I would protest but.. whatever..
Yous know how I feel about the family, I go back and forth, Cindy and George need to not be out there hammering in signs when there are protesters out there. There is no reason for it and they should be out looking for Caylee if they think she is alive. It's silly for them to go out there, knowing full well that a confrontation may happen.

As far as charges being pressed against George, I think it's ridiculous. So, he pushed them, I can't blame him. It's not right, but this man is ready to blow a gasket and anyone can see it. He needs to leave the house, or stay inside and keep his hands to himself but a man can only take so much. Cindy, she likes the attention IMO. I think they truely loved caylee and want her back, but they can't handle the press, the protesters, just like they couldnt' handle their daughter.

Now what really burns me is this bull with Casey being on house arrest. She isn't on house arrest..give me a break, she's allowed out everyday to see this lawyer?? That's crazy crazy IMO.. House arrest is house arrest and she ain't on it. Makes me sick. Also, was there any media pictures of the high five between her and lee?? I'd like to see that. Even though I can barely watch anything with Casey in it..again, it makes me ILL to even look at her.. She'll get her dues I'm sure.. Karma will be around one way or another.Here ya go, Casey high-fiving Lee:


http://www.wesh.com/video/17422422/index.html

[why-me]

I'll drive you make the signs. Make one that say's old ladies should wear bras.

LOL Ok now I have Mr Dew all over the keyboard. I hate it when that happens.:D

[Hey Paula]

Thanks, bchand! :seeya: The counselor must have thought Cindy had a chance to take custody and Cindy may have made the mistake of telling Casey so. I understand that there is no case for Murder 1 at this point, but I really believe that is what happened. Yes, it could have been an accident, but the timing in combination with Casey's behavior afterwards is awfully suspicious.

I don't understand how Cindy can continue to support Casey. I really don't. I don't understand how she can look at her.

Perhaps Cindy wrongfully feels partly responsible for Caylee's disappearance, due to what had transpired between her and Casey before she left with Caylee, even though Cindy was justified.

IMO

[Pruddennce]

It's rather difficult to ignore the idiocy of the goof-troop out there carrying life-sized dolls :rolleyes:, old ladies who are not even familiar with the fact that a TES search is ongoing for Caylee with intermittent glances at the Media camera who is taping her making a fool of herself, people plastering signs all over their own babies of "Baby Killer" , etc. etc., - all the while pretending to really care about Caylee.

George & Cindy owe those people nothing, but you're right in that a confrontation is exactly what the protesters are hoping for - sickly, for all the wrong reasons.

they kind of remind me of those slip and fall scammers....

and what I saw, George pushed the front of her sign and she hit him on the arm....

scammers..thats what I see.

best regards,
Pru

[bchand]

Just watched the last update on MyFox Orlando at 11.. no new news except that a protester was caught climbing a neighbors fence to get a picture of the Anthony's back yard. Obviously the neighbors are concerned.

I'm off to bed..see all you tomorrow :seeya:

Prayers for Caylee :rose: May she be found soon!!


Night Kakax - I'm off too. See you tomorrow. :seeya:

[Keegan]

She isn't up for murder now and her Granddaughter wasn't even missing as I understand it when she told Casey's friend to stay away from her she was a sociopath. (I believe that's the word she used)


You think the mother is able to make the diagnosis? Just because she is a nurse doesn't mean she has the skill to diagnosis. Wasn't this the nurse that thought the smell of a dead body was leftover pizza?

[why-me]

When they get ready to give Casey the lethal injection...I say we all be there and give her a big high five!! :tongue:

I'm there with the rest of you guys

[tiny paw-prints]

Was it just Cindy who was allegedly advised/threatening to take custody of Caylee from Casey or was it Cindy and George?

TIA

Hi House! :seeya:

I read somewhere (very) recently that Cindy had been seeing a therapist. Not sure for exactly why, what or how long. IIRC, G&C reconciled in 12/07? In could have been for a number of reasons. Anywho, the therapist apparently recommended Cindy to seek full custody of Caylee and then ask Casey to move out of the house.

My thoughts are; Maybe Cindy was laying the foundation for those events to occur (full custody of Caylee and Casey out of the house) during the times Cindy was going around gathering "evidence" of Casey's irresponsible behaviors, lying, no job, stealing, clubbing, i.e., setting the foundation as necessary proof of an unfit mother before Cindy actually proceeded with the full custody issue.

[Ckrdpast]

His daughter murdering his grandchild? My guess


:no:
behave silly---dont prevoke

[msjoni]

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Yes that is a good word for it Anyone........choregraphed......and yes I believe he is in charge of "wardrobe" also.......

He`s is rearranging her life. He is slick....I have seen him so many times dance around issues and give an answer of his own....much better than Cindy but along the same lines.

I am really interested on how he will handle these current charges......

When this comes to court will she still be in her prison blues or wear street clothes?

[Joan Weiss]

I'll drive you make the signs. Make one that say's old ladies should wear bras.So who was looking at her chest? :eek:

[FoxySly]

Why would she be "pampered"? What is so special about her?

Nothing, but what's so special about snot petterson? he gets extra protection & his own cell.

Sly

[Rebel Rouzer]

I did see your post, Rebel. And replied to it, but much later. I agree with you that the family is convinced it was an accident and have decided to cover Casey, but I think it is more likely they have convinced themselves. I doubt Casey would come that close to the truth with them. She trusts no one. And Baez would not be able to ethically defend her with the Zanny Defense if he had been told that it was actually an accident involving Casey in any way.

I understand. Casey does NOT trust anyone but I am almost sure she came clean tha Caylee was dead but just didn't admit it was on purpose. She has been adding minimal truths with her HUGE lies.

Cindy said it best when she said there was nothing they coulddo. IMO

[Joan Weiss]

they kind of remind me of those slip and fall scammers....

and what I saw, George pushed the front of her sign and she hit him on the arm....

scammers..thats what I see.

best regards,
PruSelf defense, imo.

[msgatorslayer]

Plus all the LIES she's told since Casey's arrest. She said she was a wonderful mother, no signs of abuse and she'll get a mother of the year award when this is over.

If that's the case, why did she go to the counselor to begin with?

I've been thinking along similar lines, Bchand.

People go to counselors for varying reasons. But what made this one advise Cindy that she should try for custody after kicking Casey out?

The big family blow up was cause of Casey stealing money. Does that made her a bad parent? One that should loose custody of her Daughter?

IMO, Cindy has been the keeper of many things in this dysfunctional family. And she keeps George outta the loop.

Wouldn't surprise me to learn that Cindy knew long ago that Casey wasn't working at Universal. If she had such a great job, why would she have to lie about working at Sports Authority? And if she had any job, why is she stealing?

I think Cindy was constantly worrying about what Casey was doing. Snooping around, not trusting her, etc. Knew that she was useless and couldn't take of Caylee, nor wanted to. But I think she kept most of it from George. Told it all to her counselor, instead.

JMO

[anyonesguess]

When this comes to court will she still be in her prison blues or wear street clothes?

IMO a demure conservative dress with lace collar with little pearl necklace, litte button up sweater, low heeled shoes, little makeup, etc.

[Rebel Rouzer]

:no:
behave silly---dont prevoke

You are right. Sorry. I don't want to get shoved.

[Pruddennce]

She isn't up for murder now and her Granddaughter wasn't even missing as I understand it when she told Casey's friend to stay away from her she was a sociopath. (I believe that's the word she used)

you are correct kathlb, she made a call to Ryan P before Caylee went missing to give information and get information about Casey's behaviour.

job related and stealing money

best regards,
Pru

[msjoni]

Nothing, but what's so special about snot petterson? he gets extra protection & his own cell.

Sly

He's on death row.

[Shellberry]

why is it pointed to the garage i wonder:shrug:

who knows? maybe the cameras they had installed the other day had something to do with it?:shrug:
I have a great big spotlight now smack dab in the middle of my screen
oh well.


imo/jmo/etc

[Ckrdpast]

LOL, so true.

Someone among her herd should have muzzled her, but she'd have surely chewed through it in order to get her 5 minutes of fame on NG - which was her only mission to begin from the onset.


you two are so cute together---

he pushes her--shes a senior citizen

that makes it a felony in fl


no matter how much she weighs

[spiritwolf46]

Snipped for the effect

snot petterson?
Sly


Okay, diet coke......right out the nose! THAT is funny! OH NO! I am a snot now! :eek:

Well all, I am going to hit the bed. I think it may get a little deep.

Everyone hug and kiss their loved ones this eve. Pray very hard for Caylee and those you love. I hope each one of you are able to rest tonight. Have a wonderful evening!!!!

:rose: For Caylee and our loved ones.

[msjoni]

You think the mother is able to make the diagnosis? Just because she is a nurse doesn't mean she has the skill to diagnosis. Wasn't this the nurse that thought the smell of a dead body was leftover pizza?

The therapist that Cindy saw might have told her Casey was a sociopath.

[Rebel Rouzer]

you two are so cute together---

he pushes her--shes a senior citizen

that makes it a felony in fl


no matter how much she weighs

:no: Reply THEY stay. Remember?

[why-me]

Rebel weren't you on the search this past weekend with bella and chekerd?

[Pruddennce]

She isn't up for murder now and her Granddaughter wasn't even missing as I understand it when she told Casey's friend to stay away from her she was a sociopath. (I believe that's the word she used)

I've been thinking along similar lines, Bchand.

People go to counselors for varying reasons. But what made this one advise Cindy that she should try for custody after kicking Casey out?

The big family blow up was cause of Casey stealing money. Does that made her a bad parent? One that should loose custody of her Daughter?

IMO, Cindy has been the keeper of many things in this dysfunctional family. And she keeps George outta the loop.

Wouldn't surprise me to learn that Cindy knew long ago that Casey wasn't working at Universal. If she had such a great job, why would she have to lie about working at Sports Authority? And if she had any job, why is she stealing?

I think Cindy was constantly worrying about what Casey was doing. Snooping around, not trusting her, etc. Knew that she was useless and couldn't take of Caylee, nor wanted to. But I think she kept most of it from George. Told it all to her counselor, instead.

JMO

does anyone know who she spoke with and was it in person or on the phone...the 'counselor' term confuses me....was this an anonymous call to a mental health representative that is a service provided thru her employment?

best regards,
Pru

[anyonesguess]

Don't they wear Street clothes didnt SP have on a suit?


Yeah breeze imo she will be wearing street clothes.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Rebel weren't you on the search this past weekend with bella and chekerd?

YES. Why?

BTW Hi :seeya:

[msjoni]

IMO a demure conservative dress with lace collar with little pearl necklace, litte button up sweater, low heeled shoes, little makeup, etc.

I agree, makes me barf

[Pruddennce]

Hi House! :seeya:

I read somewhere (very) recently that Cindy had been seeing a therapist. Not sure for exactly why, what or how long. IIRC, G&C reconciled in 12/07? In could have been for a number of reasons. Anywho, the therapist apparently recommended Cindy to seek full custody of Caylee and then ask Casey to move out of the house.

My thoughts are; Maybe Cindy was laying the foundation for those events to occur (full custody of Caylee and Casey out of the house) during the times Cindy was going around gathering "evidence" of Casey's irresponsible behaviors, lying, no job, stealing, clubbing, i.e., setting the foundation as necessary proof of an unfit mother before Cindy actually proceeded with the full custody issue.

She certainly was attempting to verify information. the hairy part of that equation is that Caylee was living with her as well.

best regards,
Pru

[st777jo]

Casey's missing whatever it is that separates thinking, feeling human beings from ... lower forms of animals, I guess. I don't know whether that's technically a disorder or not. I do know that parental intervention, whatever that might ultimately have been, should have happened years ago and did not. In fact, just the opposite occurred. The problem child was coddled right into the monster we see before us today, high fiving her brother while her toddler lies dead and decomposing somewhere 'close.'

Exactly right. And if Caylee were to ever come home alive, which I doubt, she should never be placed in any Anthony's care. jmo

[msgatorslayer]

does anyone know who she spoke with and was it in person or on the phone...the 'counselor' term confuses me....was this an anonymous call to a mental health representative that is a service provided thru her employment?

best regards,
Pru

Unknown, Pru.

Just what todays news media mentioned. That she spoke with a counselor. And was advised to kick Casey out. And seek custody of Caylee.

Pretty harsh, IMO. And I would hope the 'counselor' knew of a family history prior to saying such a thing.

[tiny paw-prints]

No...she knew it was a dead body. You can hear the panic in her voice, she knew. The old pizza story was just a cover-up.

I think maybe Cindy's panic during the 3rd 911 call came after she overheard Lee and Casey talking, then she called George to come home stat; and then the pizza story developed much later, etc.

The gap between the 2nd and 3rd call is significant to the timeline.

[Takotna]

Exactly. George Anthony doesn't have a peaceful bone in his body.
Two words for George-anger management. Before you really hurt someone.

jmo

It's true the protestors are a trying imposition - However, IMO G is posturing, he purposefully goes out to the crowd with a hammer. He's got to know he's at the end of his fuse, yet he goes out there anyway - WITH A HAMMER. Same thing with Cindy the other day - waving around a hammer. Infact, I don't think they leave the house anymore without a h a m m e r - I find this astonishing. He pushed the woman when he had a h a m m e r in his hand - wouldn't the hammer be considered a weapon? (not that he used it - but it is menacing)Allmo

[Joan Weiss]

I would think that a felony assault/battery would have resulted in an arrest.You mean "should" have, doncha?

[Kathlb]

you are correct kathlb, she made a call to Ryan P before Caylee went missing to give information and get information about Casey's behaviour.

job related and stealing money

best regards,
Pru

Thanks Pru. :-) I am headed off to bed. 5 am comes early. And some are just poking to be poking. ;-) Have a great night everyone!! See you all tomorrow and maybe, just maybe, we will have some news then.

[Hey Paula]

they kind of remind me of those slip and fall scammers....

and what I saw, George pushed the front of her sign and she hit him on the arm....

scammers..thats what I see.

best regards,
Pru

Hi Pru!

Do you know why Fox Orlando has that web cam trained on the Anthony's home? Perhaps if they weren't on TV/internet, they wouldn't be out there all night adding more to an already volatile situation, not to mention the residents of that block likely feeling as though they are prisoners in their own homes.

I honestly don't understand the mindset of those protesters, screaming and ranting without regard for the neighbors and their sleeping children/families. What do they hope to accomplish? What are they protesting anyway? Since they claim they want Caylee to be brought home, wouldn't their time have been better spent if they had instead participated in the searches for Caylee? (i.e., when they were ongoing).

I fear someone will either get hurt or physically ill from the stress of the situation. I'm sure the neighbors have complained to LE. I wonder why they aren't removed for disturbing the peace? How can they demonstrate during a vigil?

IMO

[why-me]

YES. Why?

BTW Hi :seeya:

I wanted to say thank you very very much. I was able to tell the others but not you. I wanted to go with you guys but when I realized you were going right away it was too late. Maybe if you go back. I was trying to figure out where you live based on the traveling time. I am in southern Indiana.

[evalles]

Hi MichelleP,

Not sure if you saw the short version or the BIT longer version of the incident. I believe there was some provocation imo, especially AFTER the shoves.

Here is the version that is a bit longer.

http://www.wftv.com/video/17418105/index.html

I wanted to push that old hag too.

[steffaroob4]

You are FLIPPIN KIDDING me with this?!?!? He NEVER should have layed a hand on her. PERIOD! She did not lay a hand on him, did she? What George did was wrong and that is the bottom line!

Stick and stones!

One would think a person that was once a part of LE would have better control of himself, especialy when it comes to older people that may have conditions that would cause them to be injured more easily that normal people. If that woman would have fallen backward and died, GA would be in some serious trouble.

[OneUp]

I don't agree. I believe she is a selfish young woman caught up in herself. I don't believe she has a disorder of any kind. Notice she is very able to protect herself. She has been able to lie well to make sure she doesn't go down for murder.Just curious, but what is your particular back ground that leads you to feel she has no Personality Disorder?
Being able to protect yourself has nothing to do with either having or not having one IMO. So your posts are creating some confusion for me...
If you have some specific reason that you feel she is free from disorder I'd be interested in it.
I have many technical names for what I believe I see in her behavior, but the only one anyone needs IMO is evil.
JMO though.

[Joan Weiss]

It's true the protestors are a trying imposition - However, IMO G is posturing, he purposefully goes out to the crowd with a hammer. He's got to know he's at the end of his fuse, yet he goes out there anyway - WITH A HAMMER. Same thing with Cindy the other day - waving around a hammer. Infact, I don't think they leave the house anymore without a h a m m e r - I find this astonishing. He pushed the woman when he had a h a m m e r in his hand - wouldn't the hammer be considered a weapon? (not that he used it - but it is menacing)AllmoAbsolutely. And the last incident showed Cindy marching over to Hammer George brandishing a wooden stake. Not how you carry a stake unless you're gonna use it. imo

[Rebel Rouzer]

You mean "should" have, doncha?


Hi JW. I know in some states they take a persons statements then they go and talk to the peron being accused and then let the lead person in that division decide how to proceed and whether or not to move forward. filing a complaint does not mean automatic charges. I do know that. IMO

[Ckrdpast]

I wanted to say thank you very very much. I was able to tell the others but not you. I wanted to go with you guys but when I realized you were going right away it was too late. Maybe if you go back. I was trying to figure out where you live based on the traveling time. I am in southern Indiana.

if tim goes back rebel is coming and you are too!!! pm you two:beer:

[Joan Weiss]

Only if I believed a felonious assault occured. Otherwise, I think that would have is the proper word.Yanno, you've been beating this subject to death for several pages. Your by-line is beginning to look silly. imo

[Shellberry]

Hi House! :seeya:

I read somewhere (very) recently that Cindy had been seeing a therapist. Not sure for exactly why, what or how long. IIRC, G&C reconciled in 12/07? In could have been for a number of reasons. Anywho, the therapist apparently recommended Cindy to seek full custody of Caylee and then ask Casey to move out of the house.

My thoughts are; Maybe Cindy was laying the foundation for those events to occur (full custody of Caylee and Casey out of the house) during the times Cindy was going around gathering "evidence" of Casey's irresponsible behaviors, lying, no job, stealing, clubbing, i.e., setting the foundation as necessary proof of an unfit mother before Cindy actually proceeded with the full custody issue.
I saw that article today too...
interesting, that is what I have said from the beginning, they were trying to get her to leave the nest so to speak, I still believe that is where the 30 days comes--30 days to shape up or ship out, I still dont believe cindy knew the extent of this in the 2nd 911 call.
she sounds too...honest/emotional.... in it for her to know at that time.


imo/jmo/etc

[Pruddennce]

Hi Pru!

Do you know why Fox Orlando has that web cam trained on the Anthony's home? Perhaps if they weren't on TV/internet, they wouldn't be out there all night adding more to an already volatile situation, not to mention the residents of that block likely feeling as though they are prisoners in their own homes.

I honestly don't understand the mindset of those protesters, screaming and ranting without regard for the neighbors and their sleeping children/families. What do they hope to accomplish? What are they protesting anyway? Since they claim they want Caylee to be brought home, wouldn't their time have been better spent if they had instead participated in the searches for Caylee? (i.e., when they were ongoing).

I fear someone will either get hurt or physically ill from the stress of the situation. I'm sure the neighbors have complained to LE. I wonder why they aren't removed for disturbing the peace? How can they demonstrate during a vigil?

IMO

all of your questions hey paula are my questions....I DONT GET IT.

the bailsbond's place of business, the lawyer's office, the courthouse steps....if they are offended by how the law works, GO THERE...

IM OFFENDED that the media is filming their home 24/7.....its distasteful...oooooooo looky, the crab grass is growing..

these people havent evolved.

best regards,
PRu

[Heyes]

It's really terrible. I go through life, a very quiet life and that's what I need right now; I prefer it and then these cases just one after another, missing spouse, missing man, missing wife, missing children. Truly a throw away society where murder is easier than divorce, adoption or birthcontrol. These cases do get under your skin no matter what you do for a living or what you've been exposed to in life. for me; I cant stand to see little kids hurt; this case I especially cannot tolerate the lack of decency by this family to put her to rest. instead, I believe the draw of money and book deals and movie deals and fame, is stronger than any family bond. And that is what keeps me up at night.To know that people like this exist. And, sometimes we live right next to them, with them, or know them.

jennyanydots, I've been lurking for the most part for a few weeks now with this case, I just have to tell you that lately I've found myself looking forward to your posts. They are so heartfelt and honest. I tend to agree with most of what you say which may explain my mostly lurking status. Typically I'll want to say something regarding this case but if I just keep reading you usually say it but in a better way than I ever could. Keep up the great posts.
Tell me you'll be at the phil spector board when that trial starts up!!!!

[Shellberry]

if tim goes back rebel is coming and you are too!!! pm you two:beer:

I am as well! I already warned other half not to make any plans for any more saturdays!



imo/jmo

[why-me]

I wanted to push that old hag too.

ROTF you are killing me with the Mt Dew I just cleaned up the last round. We would get along very well indeed.

O'Reilly is getting ready to say something about Caylee...nothing new I'm sure

[Ckrdpast]

Yanno, you've been beating this subject to death for several pages. Your by-line is beginning to look silly. imo

joan just :) and nod


and scroll

its not worth it!

[msjoni]

Unknown, Pru.

Just what todays news media mentioned. That she spoke with a counselor. And was advised to kick Casey out. And seek custody of Caylee.

Pretty harsh, IMO. And I would hope the 'counselor' knew of a family history prior to saying such a thing.

Any decent therapist would not recommend this... unless they knew the family dynamics. IMO and experience

[Joan Weiss]

Hi JW. I know in some states they take a persons statements then they go and talk to the peron being accused and then let the lead person in that division decide how to proceed and whether or not to move forward. filing a complaint does not mean automatic charges. I do know that. IMOThanks, I think they should both apologize and drop it.

Funny there's no discussion about the GUY George also attacked. must be "beat up old ladies night." George's style, lol imo

[Rebel Rouzer]

I wanted to say thank you very very much. I was able to tell the others but not you. I wanted to go with you guys but when I realized you were going right away it was too late. Maybe if you go back. I was trying to figure out where you live based on the traveling time. I am in southern Indiana.


Oh doll. I am going to do everything in my power to go back when the ground searches resume. I don't know when that will be but we can try and do something ahead of time this next time and not within 24 hours no sleeps or eats lol Please don't thank me. Makes me feel funy lol I will help you anyway I can to help in the searches . Hugs

[Joan Weiss]

I think maybe Cindy's panic during the 3rd 911 call came after she overheard Lee and Casey talking, then she called George to come home stat; and then the pizza story developed much later, etc.

The gap between the 2nd and 3rd call is significant to the timeline.IIRC, George came in in the midst of the 911 call, and Cindy was heard telling him that the nanny took Caylee on that call. imo

[Rebel Rouzer]

I am as well! I already warned other half not to make any plans for any more saturdays!



imo/jmo

awww That is great
Hugs

[msgatorslayer]

Any decent therapist would not recommend this... unless they knew the family dynamics. IMO and experience

I wouldn't think so. IMO, this person had been seeing Cindy for a while. Perhaps since her near divorce with George. And knows alot about the whole family. Or, at least, what Cindy tells about everyone.

[Ckrdpast]

Sorry.. I live on the wrong coast. I'll volunteer to search for Phil Spector if he ever comes up missing.

i thought so

[evalles]

Exactly right. And if Caylee were to ever come home alive, which I doubt, she should never be placed in any Anthony's care. jmo

I'm sure the Anthony's have heard this. If I were in their shoes and learned Caylee was safe but feared her being given to strangers instead of being brought home, I'd send someone I trusted to stay with her while I came up with a plan to make sure the child protectors didn't get their hands on her so I wouldn't lose her for good. Even if it meant leaving the country.Florida's child welfare system is IMO, one of the worst.

[Joan Weiss]

Hi Pru!

Do you know why Fox Orlando has that web cam trained on the Anthony's home? Perhaps if they weren't on TV/internet, they wouldn't be out there all night adding more to an already volatile situation, not to mention the residents of that block likely feeling as though they are prisoners in their own homes.

I honestly don't understand the mindset of those protesters, screaming and ranting without regard for the neighbors and their sleeping children/families. What do they hope to accomplish? What are they protesting anyway? Since they claim they want Caylee to be brought home, wouldn't their time have been better spent if they had instead participated in the searches for Caylee? (i.e., when they were ongoing).

I fear someone will either get hurt or physically ill from the stress of the situation. I'm sure the neighbors have complained to LE. I wonder why they aren't removed for disturbing the peace? How can they demonstrate during a vigil?

IMOThey weren't screaming and yelling during the vigil, and they don't scream and yell unless George and Cindy come outside with their Hammers and stakes. imo

[Ckrdpast]

I think I hear crickets chirping, Ckrd. ;)


i thought i heard frogs CROAKING:)

could have been crickets

[OneUp]

I think I hear crickets chirping, Ckrd. ;)I know some ways of helping you are a board no no...but remember to let us know if you go searching again. Those of us who cannot go can still offer prayers and "other" means of aiding the search.
TY again for devoting your time to Caylee. That was such a precious gift.

[Marianne]

does antone have aclue asto who told LE about the gun?

[why-me]

Oh doll. I am going to do everything in my power to go back when the ground searches resume. I don't know when that will be but we can try and do something ahead of time this next time and not within 24 hours no sleeps or eats lol Please don't thank me. Makes me feel funy lol I will help you anyway I can to help in the searches . Hugs

Great, just keep me in mind. I also hace a niece in Clermont with a 4 br house if more room is needed, I am sure she would not mind. I had to retire early at 50 so I am available at any time and as long as there are breaks, I will be good to search.

[Rebel Rouzer]

i thought so

Maybe it's time to inform Scooby and Dg that people from Main and other *WRONG* coast states were there Saturday?

[Hey Paula]

all of your questions hey paula are my questions....I DONT GET IT.

the bailsbond's place of business, the lawyer's office, the courthouse steps....if they are offended by how the law works, GO THERE...

IM OFFENDED that the media is filming their home 24/7.....its distasteful...oooooooo looky, the crab grass is growing..

these people havent evolved.

best regards,
PRu

ITA with your entire post, Pru!

It is offensive and distasteful - mass voyeurism! I'm surprised the media is allowed to have that web cam poised to view the Anythonys' house 24/7.

I wonder how those protesters would feel and react if the shoes were on the other feet?

[Ckrdpast]

I know some ways of helping you are a board no no...but remember to let us know if you go searching again. Those of us who cannot go can still offer prayers and "other" means of aiding the search.
TY again for devoting your time to Caylee. That was such a precious gift.


will do oneup:)

[Joan Weiss]

Unknown, Pru.

Just what todays news media mentioned. That she spoke with a counselor. And was advised to kick Casey out. And seek custody of Caylee.

Pretty harsh, IMO. And I would hope the 'counselor' knew of a family history prior to saying such a thing.Who would think a child would be murdered? :confused:

Put the blame where it belongs, on the MOTHER of the child.

I don't see Andrea Yates shrink on trial, do you? imo

[msjoni]

I agree OneUp. While I usually cringe at MB diagnoses, there is No way, this girl doesn't have some kind of personality disorder just by looking at the things we know as fact. Even, if one were to completely ignore the crime, no one on the spectrum of normal lies, steal and manipulates like she so readily does. She is the poster child for a personality disorder. There is just no other explanation, IMO.

Casey, to me, IMO seems to suffer from all the cluster b's and this is just from reading many psych books, I'm not an expert or sure.

[Ckrdpast]

does antone have aclue asto who told LE about the gun?


huh?:shrug:

[Rebel Rouzer]

Great, just keep me in mind. I also hace a niece in Clermont with a 4 br house if more room is needed, I am sure she would not mind. I had to retire early at 50 so I am available at any time and as long as there are breaks, I will be good to search.


keep in touch with me and chkrdpast. We will do what we can to make sure all who want to go can go.
Caylee deserves it

[jammies]

Oh doll. I am going to do everything in my power to go back when the ground searches resume. I don't know when that will be but we can try and do something ahead of time this next time and not within 24 hours no sleeps or eats lol Please don't thank me. Makes me feel funy lol I will help you anyway I can to help in the searches . Hugs


Would one of you PM me when you decide to go back? I can't go but I can help in other ways. Let me know!

[tiny paw-prints]

She certainly was attempting to verify information. the hairy part of that equation is that Caylee was living with her as well.

best regards,
Pru

Clint stated that Casey spent the 6/16 night with TonE and Caylee was not there.

Casey became overly emotional when George testified at the bond hearing.

[msjoni]

They don't have the heart nor intelligence to consider that possibility, because people like them always rely on the old "It'll never happen to me!" , closely followed by, "But if it ever did, I'd blah blah blah blah" - when in reality, they haven't a clue what they'd do.

I don't agree with the web cam either ..too big brother for me..although I'm guilty of looking at it at times.

[Joan Weiss]

joan just :) and nod


and scroll

its not worth it!Thank you. :seeya:

[Ckrdpast]

I was busy housing hurricane evacuee's. I did my part.

im living on the gulf coast of florida and i searched with hanna coming and ike stirring and josephine on the herizon

[Rebel Rouzer]

Would one of you PM me when you decide to go back? I can't go but I can help in other ways. Let me know!

You betcha jammies and if you change your mind and want to go. we'll try our best to get you there somehow. We won't know anything until we know the ground search is being resumed.

You are a doll :rose:

[Joan Weiss]

does antone have aclue asto who told LE about the gun?No, but my opinion is that it was Cindy. She's the only one that has access to George's car, imo, and would have found it.

[OneUp]

Who would think a child would be murdered? :confused:

Put the blame where it belongs, on the MOTHER of the child.

I don't see Andrea Yates shrink on trial, do you? imoExactly, can you imagine how saddened this person probably already is? Being a therapist, counselor, social worker, advocate, etc. are all pretty thankless and stressful jobs under the best of conditions. You have to live the rest of your life with the results of how your decisions and judgement affect others. Even the best advice, the most professional advice is only as good as the limits of the person receiving it. Telling someone the right thing to do and teaching them the right way to do it are two totally different things...thankfully the law usually protects professionals from being sued by someone because their own limits caused them to fail.
There can be a big gulf between what the Therapist actually said to Cindy and what is being interpreted and portrayed. Saying 'you should consider expecting her to move out on her own and take responsibility' would be a far cry from the knock down drag out that is reported to have happened.
JMO.

[Ckrdpast]

Thank you. :seeya:


smooches joan

this is all about caylee

not about the people that thrive on drama

[msgatorslayer]

I don't remember anything being washed by Melinda. She dumped a bunch of Trenton's things in the dumpster. Her nanny later said that it was because they couldn't get the finger print dust off the stuff animals.

Lots of similar things between the cases though.

[msjoni]

Seriously. I'm not degreed in any of the behavioral sciences, but what else could *possibly* explain this behavior? IS there another possible explanation?

Just plain evilness? But I believe nurture did this to Casey not Nature.

[Pruddennce]

ITA with your entire post, Pru!

It is offensive and distasteful - mass voyeurism! I'm surprised the media is allowed to have that web cam poised to view the Anythonys' house 24/7.

I wonder how those protesters would feel and react if the shoes were on the other feet?

the media: cant type it here.

the nuisance: (I wouldnt even classify them as 'protestors')

this is how they 'live'....Id like to see them take on a cause that really requires some brain activity....

you wont see them near a law building shouting out their protest.....if they heard the word tort, they would be looking for a fork and come a running....

best regards,
Pru

[Shellberry]

i thought i heard frogs CROAKING:)

could have been crickets

it could have been a cicada
one fell out of the tree and plopped me on the head the other night.
they hurt



No, but my opinion is that it was Cindy. She's the only one that has access to George's car, imo, and would have found it.
I wouldnt be surprised if one of the people camped out in front of the house caught a glimpse of it, or him putting it in the trunk & called LE.

imo/jmo

[msjoni]

I think I would agree if this was your 'average' dysfunctional family.

But in the case of this bunch, I say lay it on as hard and as long as possible. Cameras, protesters, dolls on the sidewalk, flowers on the grass, the works.

I missed the flowers on the grass. :)

[Joan Weiss]

Hi all. I hate to have to ask, but I've been absent all day and only have a few minutes to check in and no time to catch up by myself.

Could someone please tell me if anything of significance happened today, other than Casey and Lee's disgusting high-five?

#1. Any charges possibly pending against GA regarding the protesters? (Y or N)

#2. Any repercussions from the concealed gun in his car? (Y or N)

#3. Any more protesters tonight? (Y or N)

#4. Any news from the searchers, other than the fact that Tim said they would be back in 10 days or so? (Y or N)

I do know that poor little Caylee is still missing. :rose:

I think I can safely presume that Casey, Cindy, and George are still not cooperating with LE to help find her. :mad:

TIA. :seeya:It's all in the links sticky.

[Rebel Rouzer]

I was busy housing hurricane evacuee's. I did my part.

LOL Is that your only excuse? I gotcha beat bud. and so does Chkrdpast

[hamebone]

Look .. I completely understand the right to protest.
Hell.. I've participated in a few myself. Even started a petition in the 4th grade over my objection to shortened recess.
I just watched the long version of that clip. I can't believe anyone would argue that those protesters today are the dregs of society.
They look and act like degenerates. If this case moves you.. GO DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE.
They were shouting and doing their best to provoke a response ...exactly like the one they got.
I don't give a fat rat's butt if it's legal... that doesn't make it any less reprehensible.
Unfortunately, the Anthony's didn't get the memo about rising above it and got right down in the dirt with them.

Protestors 0
Anthony's 0


ITA

Just because you can do something doesnt mean you should do it.

Out there shouting like they dont have a bit of sense.

And Cindy IMO is just like they are...she just has to have the last word.

[jammies]

It does in my book.



Mine too! Nice to see people doing something positive on this board.
Putting their money/time where their mouth is...so to speak.


Blessings on all of you that searched! :patriot:

[Ckrdpast]

It does in my book.


smoochies HOUSE

[msjoni]

im living on the gulf coast of florida and i searched with hanna coming and ike stirring and josephine on the herizon

Hope you're safe! And by the way everytime I see your sig I:lol:

[Joan Weiss]

It does in my book.Mine, too. Gutsy women, leaving on short notice, all strangers in real life.

Bravo! :hat: imo

[Rebel Rouzer]

I agree with your theory Rebel. I think she has almost reached martyr status in their eyes. Dangerous place, they are in if so.

IF I am correct. I agree. It's sad

[Joan Weiss]

I think that being involved with the search was a great thing you did. I also think that bragging about it on a message board could be considered a bit dramatic. Just my opinion.. and again.. I think its great you searched.You're over the top now. :punch:

[Hey Paula]

They weren't screaming and yelling during the vigil, and they don't scream and yell unless George and Cindy come outside with their Hammers and stakes. imo

That's not true from what I've seen. Even when the Anthonys' remain inside the house, some are out there screaming "baby killer" or banging on their door, or having their children parade outside with signs or placing dolls on the sidewalk. The h.ammer came out yesterday. They've been out there "protesting" since Casey was first released. I thought the shock jocks were bad when they screamed with their bullhorns in front of Laci/Scott Peterson's house. This is worse since it continues day after day.

Regardless of how anyone feels about the Anthonys, they love Caylee and are likely going through their own private hell. It is cruel to torture these people and their innocent neighbors. They are also disrupting the normal flow of justice which will result in an additional financial burden for the taxpayers. Because of their inappropriate behavior, Casey will likely get a venue change and Orange County will foot the bill.

IMO

[why-me]

Hi all. I hate to have to ask, but I've been absent all day and only have a few minutes to check in and no time to catch up by myself.

Could someone please tell me if anything of significance happened today, other than Casey and Lee's disgusting high-five?

#1. Any charges possibly pending against GA regarding the protesters? (Y or N)

#2. Any repercussions from the concealed gun in his car? (Y or N)

#3. Any more protesters tonight? (Y or N)

#4. Any news from the searchers, other than the fact that Tim said they would be back in 10 days or so? (Y or N)

I do know that poor little Caylee is still missing. :rose:

I think I can safely presume that Casey, Cindy, and George are still not cooperating with LE to help find her. :mad:

TIA. :seeya:

no
no
there were 2 quiet ones earlier
no

[Ckrdpast]

smoochies HOUSE

and smoochies to all of you

amazing posters here


MOST ALL OF YOU

[Pruddennce]

Clint stated that Casey spent the 6/16 night with TonE and Caylee was not there.

Casey became overly emotional when George testified at the bond hearing.

I never believed George's story about the morning of the 16th....and Cindy's statement, I know where they slept that nite. (wierd statement)

IMO, they left that nite, the 15th. Casey with Caylee.

now this Clint....LE didnt incude a statement in that huge doc, right?

best regards,
Pru

[OneUp]

smoochies HOUSEIMO, going out to join the search is but ONE thing that makes some of my fellow posters special people indeed. I think 90% or more of the people here are exceptional in their care and concern for other human beings.
The other 10% know who they are and why they linger...
JMO.
Thank God for each person who has searched or even taken a second glance at a little girl who resembled Caylee. Little pieces of each effort make up the wholecloth.:)

[Ckrdpast]

You're over the top now. :punch:

thanks joan---im speechless

but only because im wanna be able to keep posting

[Rebel Rouzer]

I have my own family to take care of. Its a good enough "excuse" for me.

Started to rsponde but chose not to. hammer

[Joan Weiss]

That's not true from what I've seen. Even when the Anthonys' remain inside the house, some are out there screaming "baby killer" or banging on their door, or having their children parade outside with signs or placing dolls on the sidewalk. The h.ammer came out yesterday. They've been out there "protesting" since Casey was first released. I thought the shock jocks were bad when they screamed with their bullhorns in front of Laci/Scott Peterson's house. This is worse since it continues day after day.

Regardless of how anyone feels about the Anthonys, they love Caylee and are likely going through their own private hell. It is cruel to torture these people and their innocent neighbors. They are also disrupting the normal flow of justice which will result in an additional financial burden for the taxpayers. Because of their inappropriate behavior, Casey will likely get a venue change and Orange County will foot the bill.

IMOIf you think only the protesters are responsible for a change of venue, perhaps you haven't been listening to any discussions that occurred long before the protesters arrived on the scene. imo

[Ckrdpast]

IMO, going out to join the search is but ONE thing that makes some of my fellow posters special people indeed. I think 90% or more of the people here are exceptional in their care and concern for other human beings.
The other 10% know who they are and why they linger...
JMO.
Thank God for each person who has searched or even taken a second glance at a little girl who resembled Caylee. Little pieces of each effort make up the wholecloth.:)


thanks for that oneup

[Ckrdpast]

I quoted the appropriate post.

Where do you or anyone else get off demanding that others do something they may not be able to do? It's not your place to decide who searches and who doesn't.


go back and read the posts NO ONE DEMANDED anything

[Pruddennce]

ITA

Just because you can do something doesnt mean you should do it.

Out there shouting like they dont have a bit of sense.

And Cindy IMO is just like they are...she just has to have the last word.

Cindy, she sure does. nothing has changed since her first media appearance.....she behaved exactly the same way at a time when she
'appreciated' the airtime.

this is all really really bad stuff.

best regards,
Pru

[Shellberry]

The web cam is yet one more added ingredient of perpetuation to the protesters, as well as the volumes of Media cams out there 24/7.

That's the main thing the protesters are hoping for.

You can bet that if all the cameras were to disappear, there wouldn't be one single protester near the Anthony residence.
I agree - that group of people with the kids the other night plopped them selves right down facing the camera with their signs, at 9 pm they were still there.

everyone wants their 15 minutes I guess.

I dont blame george for flipping his lid,( not hitting someone/physically touching someone--but getting soo mad to want to do it in the first place) if someone were outside of my house like that for something I did, I'd snap too.


imo/jmo/etc

[Joan Weiss]

Started to rsponde but chose not to. hammerGeeze, wonder who will be next? Everyone but Casey.

Ya know I loves ya, gal. :seeya:

[evalles]

Thanks, I think they should both apologize and drop it.

Funny there's no discussion about the GUY George also attacked. must be "beat up old ladies night." George's style, lol imo

The younger guy filed a report too.
I agree with you though. They should both apologize.

[msjoni]

I think that being involved with the search was a great thing you did. I also think that bragging about it on a message board could be considered a bit dramatic. Just my opinion.. and again.. I think its great you searched.

They have every right to brag their hero's in my book.:patriot:

[Joan Weiss]

If ever there was a reason to put certain posters on ignore, I'd say we've just had a healthy dose of it.

:rose: For our IS searchers.Ditto. hammer

[why-me]

I never believed George's story about the morning of the 16th....and Cindy's statement, I know where they slept that nite. (wierd statement)

IMO, they left that nite, the 15th. Casey with Caylee.

now this Clint....LE didnt incude a statement in that huge doc, right?

best regards,
Pru

GA's body language and lack of eye contact when telling that story always made me wonder also, like he was trying way too hard to make someone believe him. He went on about what time it was, what he was watching on TV, how long before he had to leave for work, what the girls were wearing etc. Just never smelled right. JMO

[st777jo]

That's not true from what I've seen. Even when the Anthonys' remain inside the house, some are out there screaming "baby killer" or banging on their door, or having their children parade outside with signs or placing dolls on the sidewalk. The h.ammer came out yesterday. They've been out there "protesting" since Casey was first released. I thought the shock jocks were bad when they screamed with their bullhorns in front of Laci/Scott Peterson's house. This is worse since it continues day after day.

Regardless of how anyone feels about the Anthonys, they love Caylee and are likely going through their own private hell. It is cruel to torture these people and their innocent neighbors. They are also disrupting the normal flow of justice which will result in an additional financial burden for the taxpayers. Because of their inappropriate behavior, Casey will likely get a venue change and Orange County will foot the bill.

IMO

The neighbors can blame it on the Anthony's bringing the circus to town. As for the protesters being cruel to the Anthony's, I think its cruel to let Caylee out there in no mans land. JMO

[Joan Weiss]

Lawyers use many issues to argue for change of venue but don't always get a ruling in their favor. In this case those "protests" will assure there is a COV. And it's all caught on video for the lawyers to use.Well dang, you go tell them that. Everybody bow down to a theory, so big brother can win. :rolleyes:

[why-me]

I quoted the appropriate post.

Where do you or anyone else get off demanding that others do something they may not be able to do? It's not your place to decide who searches and who doesn't.

I didn't see any demands, none at all. I merely posted that I would like to go if they went back.

[msgatorslayer]

Who would think a child would be murdered? :confused:

Put the blame where it belongs, on the MOTHER of the child.

I don't see Andrea Yates shrink on trial, do you? imo

:shrug:No idea how you got any of that from my post. Guess you didn't read upthread far enough to grasp what I meant.

I said that, IMO, a counselor wouldn't tell Cindy to seek custody of Caylee just because of Casey stealing money from her. That, IMO, there was more to what Cindy told her than that. For her to make that suggestion.

Nothing about anyone being murdered. Or wanting to put a counselor on trial.

[Joan Weiss]

I agree - that group of people with the kids the other night plopped them selves right down facing the camera with their signs, at 9 pm they were still there.

everyone wants their 15 minutes I guess.

I dont blame george for flipping his lid,( not hitting someone/physically touching someone--but getting soo mad to want to do it in the first place) if someone were outside of my house like that for something I did, I'd snap too.


imo/jmo/etcI suspect you wouldn't have a killer daughter inside, all warm and cozy in front of the computer. Think about it. imo

[Ckrdpast]

Demanded was my word. Yours was "volunteer".....then you proceeded to ridicule people who didn't respond. :rolleyes:

show me where i did that ----oh nevermind

im here for Caylee

as are most

[OneUp]

These kind of statements always make me nervous, lol. I wonder if it's me you're talking about. (The 10% part). I get skeered. I don't want to be a 10%er.:chicken:LOL, ther really isn't a 10%...certainly you would not be in it if there were. I'm just making a point in hopes that some (who IMO need to do so) examine their real reasons for being here...maybe taking time to read back over their repetitive posts that have almost nothing to do with Caylee herself would help in doing so?
I like discussing all the points of the case, even hearing things I don't agree with...I just get a bit sick of high and mighty rants judging poster behavior/personality for judging perp. and family behavior. LOL, not much hypocritical is it?
I had more to say, but to quote my new favorite Sociopath..."what a waste..."
Rest assured, you have made great contributions to the board with your knowledge and insights IMO.

[Joan Weiss]

:shrug:No idea how you got any of that from my post. Guess you didn't read upthread far enough to grasp what I meant.

I said that, IMO, a counselor wouldn't tell Cindy to seek custody of Caylee just because of Casey stealing money from her. That, IMO, there was more to what Cindy told her than that. For her to make that suggestion.

Nothing about anyone being murdered. Or wanting to put a counselor on trial.I thought I was posting to Pru...:confused:

[jammies]

Something wrong with that story and the story of the gas cans in the trunk imo. Very wrong. Much too carefully told.


He made up both those stories, IMO. Never believed either one of them.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Exactly right. Team Casey is growing by leaps and bounds ... right here on this board.

Does anyone know where we can go to find out where searches are still being conducted, now that Equusearch is out of the picture for a bit?

Unless things have changed and that is a good poosibility. Tim stated they would have airboat and Canine/dog searches until they were able to come back and do more ground searches. Things may ahve changed like i said.

[msjoni]

Well dang, you go tell them that. Everybody bow down to a theory, so big brother can win. :rolleyes:

There would be a change of venue anyway. My sister just came back from France and they were talking about it there.

[hamebone]

GA's body language and lack of eye contact when telling that story always made me wonder also, like he was trying way too hard to make someone believe him. He went on about what time it was, what he was watching on TV, how long before he had to leave for work, what the girls were wearing etc. Just never smelled right. JMO


George is just weird to me. I dont say that as a slur. He just seems off when he talks. I know he is under stress; maybe that is it? I do agree he did seem to give more info in answering the question then was needed. I'm know expert on such things tho".

[why-me]

Demanded was my word. Yours was "volunteer".....then you proceeded to ridicule people who didn't respond. :rolleyes:

GEEZ Lighten up If you are feeling picked on maybe there is a reason. Is it your bedtime. Seriously, they meant no harm to anyone. Now I am sorry I even brought the whole subject up for petes sake.

[Joan Weiss]

Yup. Considering who's inside the house, I think I'd think twice before calling anyone out on the sidewalk 'cruel.'ITA! :cool:

[Ionmhainn]

The younger guy filed a report too.
I agree with you though. They should both apologize.

I think that would be a good thing. George could say he is stressed to the max and the lady could say she is old enough to know better. He is and she is, imo.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Something wrong with that story and the story of the gas cans in the trunk imo. Very wrong. Much too carefully told.

You my dear are a smart cookie. IMO :)

[summer4meplz]

melinda said, everyone thinks i should be crying my eyes out....
casey said, everyone thinks i should be crying every 2 seconds...

melinda said, i won't talk to local le, but i am talking to the fbi
casey said, i won't talk to local le, but i will talk to the fbi

[Marianne]

I don't think he is telling herto wear short shorts , ponytail and baseball cap. I think Casey ia seductive and knows how to work men. She can't come across as the femme fatale but she has won her game as Baez now calls her "my (little) girl". You have no idea how many men like ponytail outfit demise.

Yet I am sure Baez will use her 'innocense' , her 'inexperience' hern youth as an excuse for her neglect....and 'trusting' of the kidnappers. How could you blame her sort of thing.

[crystalclear]

They have every right to brag their hero's in my book.:patriot:
as i tell my sons - it aint necessarily bragging if its true!!:patriot:

[jammies]

Unless things have changed and that is a good poosibility. Tim stated they would have airboat and Canine/dog searches until they were able to come back and do more ground searches. Things may ahve changed like i said.


Do you know why they are going back to look in Aruba? Are there new leads? Just seems odd to go all the way to Aruba then come back to FLA . Thinking maybe someone in Aruba finally talked and they need to get there asap??

Glad they are keeping some of search going in Orlando re: airboats and canines.

[Pruddennce]

GA's body language and lack of eye contact when telling that story always made me wonder also, like he was trying way too hard to make someone believe him. He went on about what time it was, what he was watching on TV, how long before he had to leave for work, what the girls were wearing etc. Just never smelled right. JMO

see, thats what bothers me the most about this case. if the relationship between all of them was volatile, why lie? whats the big deal?

why did they want to give the impression that they had this very ok relationship?

George and the 'just another day' deliverance of that story when he said Casey stopped by on the 24th of June to 'pick up clothes...'

doesnt he realize the big disconnect in his previous statement? she went off to work la di da, and 'would see him later that nite or in the morning'....6/16) from the 16th thru the 24th they didnt want anyone to 'know' she left?

until Cindy gives yet ANOTHER statement on Larry KIng.....now its a vacation/went away for work, blah blah.....

ok, well what happened to the 16th of June story that she was coming home after work? when did she go on a work assignment/vacation?

these are the disconnects in their story that make people go hmmmmmm....

is it as simple as "we didnt want our dirty laundry out there", hence the 'stories'?

unfortunately, it cant get any dirtier when a child goes missing and the dots dont connect. Im just hoping that LE has spent hours with them tearing the stories down to get an exact timeline and every communication they had with her AFTER she left.

best regards,
Pru

[Rebel Rouzer]

geezzz get over it your all great people blah blah blah move on jmo


Jealous much? That was uncalled for and way out of line. You and the people who think like you are the biggest reason I debated not to post my experience. You just made that choice clear for me now.


ANYONE asking why I haven't posted on that thread like others have. Just refer back to this poster and you will know why.
I drafted a post that went poof but then decided ok I'll post it then I said. No I won't. and this poster and that thinking is one reason why.

[OneUp]

It's nice to see you admit that you would - it's a great expression of basic humanity.So, in your opinion, failing to keep your temper under great stres is a sign of humanity?
...I think I just found out I am something more of less than human. Losing my temper and shoving. screaming, and making a fool of myself are not part of my repetoire.
IMO, losing your temper and acting out is either a sign of mental issues which are in dire need of mending or extreme immaturity. I'm beginning to work on training my 18 month old out of the temper tantrums...
JMO.

[jammies]

Why do you think he told the gas cans in the trunk story?

To place her there at the house on the 24th with NO SMELL in the car.

[msgatorslayer]

Why do you think he told the gas cans in the trunk story?

I haven't given that enough thought.

Boy, was that a hair raising moment. When he revealed that. His body language, his tone. The way he and Cindy were looking at each other.

All the testing that was done on the trunk hasn't been released. Maybe gas was used to try and clean something up?

[crystalclear]

Why do you think he told the gas cans in the trunk story?
I've thought about this before and some of the odd ways GA tells wayyy TMI.... I am thinking it might be bcuz in the beginning he and CA were trying desperately to make any sense of all this craziness and so he basically perseverated and reviewed and doubted and went over things to the minutiae... Ive professionally exp similar w/ people who want to tell me every single detail of their lives thinking it is all important and want to make sure I have all info..

[tiny paw-prints]

IIRC, George came in in the midst of the 911 call, and Cindy was heard telling him that the nanny took Caylee on that call. imo

George came in in the "midst" of that 3rd call, came in from where?

the backyard, garage, work, tow yard, Blanchard Park, local gas station, pizza palace? Where was George during the timeline between the 2nd and 3rd call?

Lee was there. Casey was there. Cindy was there.

Where was George? Was it dusk yet?

[Shellberry]

It's nice to see you admit that you would - it's a great expression of basic humanity.
sure I would, people can only be pushed so far.
Im sure they are up to their eyeballs in stress in that house- jackduppas in the street and on the sidewalk dont make it any easier.
regardless of what is going on, & what I think/feel about the anthonys & what they may or may not be involved in, there is a certain line of respect that you dont cross when someone is going through a sorrowful time.




I suspect you wouldn't have a killer daughter inside, all warm and cozy in front of the computer. Think about it. imo

well obviously not, if I were ever in a situation where people were outside 'egging' me on... you bet your duppa I'd snap too.
in ANY situation that would cause an uproar
but again, I've said before 'if I were ever in this situation...'
I know I would never be in this situation.



imo/jmo

[msgatorslayer]

There would be a change of venue anyway. My sister just came back from France and they were talking about it there.

It would probably be moved to Miami like the Couey trial.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Do you know why they are going back to look in Aruba? Are there new leads? Just seems odd to go all the way to Aruba then come back to FLA . Thinking maybe someone in Aruba finally talked and they need to get there asap??

Glad they are keeping some of search going in Orlando re: airboats and canines.

I do not know. He may have spoke of that case to the others but not me. I was actually the shy one there among the 5 of us. I'm not even lying. lol

[Joan Weiss]

I don't need to tell anyone anything and it has nothing to do with theories. It's a little thing called LAW. You might not like it but a defendant has a right to a fair trial and an unprejudiced jury. That is why we have changes of venue.I didn't say if I liked it or not. I know plenty about the "law."

I said don't blame the protesters for a COV. WTH is your problem? A bit aggressive for a simple comment, imo.

:punch:

[Marianne]

you've had tons and tons of replies...go back and read them and stop asking the same thing over and over.

[hamebone]

see, thats what bothers me the most about this case. if the relationship between all of them was volatile, why lie? whats the big deal?

why did they want to give the impression that they had this very ok relationship?

George and the 'just another day' deliverance of that story when he said Casey stopped by on the 24th of June to 'pick up clothes...'

doesnt he realize the big disconnect in his previous statement? she went off to work la di da, and 'would see him later that nite or in the morning'....6/16) from the 16th thru the 24th they didnt want anyone to 'know' she left?

until Cindy gives yet ANOTHER statement on Larry KIng.....now its a vacation/went away for work, blah blah.....

ok, well what happened to the 16th of June story that she was coming home after work? when did she go on a work assignment/vacation?

these are the disconnects in their story that make people go hmmmmmm....

is it as simple as "we didnt want our dirty laundry out there", hence the 'stories'?

unfortunately, it cant get any dirtier when a child goes missing and the dots dont connect. Im just hoping that LE has spent hours with them tearing the stories down to get an exact timeline and every communication they had with her AFTER she left.

best regards,
Pru


Beats me Pru, maybe they are a prideful bunch you know the type. They have to keep up appearances.

[Rebel Rouzer]

Your Bully Tracker needs a tune up, it's giving you a fatal error at the moment.

Back O/T ... do you think George should be charged with assault?


I think George needs to be charged with more than that but nothing to do with him shoving old ladies. IMO

[Pruddennce]

I had more to say, but to quote my new favorite Sociopath..."what a waste..."

that is a great expression! MY NEW FAVORITE SOCIOPATH....:D

best regards,
Pru

[Joan Weiss]

This board is starting to look like a pac-man game. I'm outta here.

Good night to my favorite people. You know who you are. :seeya:

[st777jo]

sure I would, people can only be pushed so far.
Im sure they are up to their eyeballs in stress in that house- jackduppas in the street and on the sidewalk dont make it any easier.
regardless of what is going on, & what I think/feel about the anthonys & what they may or may not be involved in, there is a certain line of respect that you dont cross when someone is going through a sorrowful time.




well obviously not, if I were ever in a situation where people were outside 'egging' me on... you bet your duppa I'd snap too.
in ANY situation that would cause an uproar
but again, I've said before 'if I were ever in this situation...'
I know I would never be in this situation.



imo/jmo

They need to snap on their princess. No one else.

And you never ever know that you would never ever be in that situation. jmo

[Ckrdpast]

Very melodramatic.

No I don't think George should be charged. The FPD has a much bigger fish to fry.


get the tartar sauce ready

[msgatorslayer]

I thought I was posting to Pru...:confused:

Ah, okay. IIRC, there were problems earlier with the replies getting borked up. Still some kinks on the new board, I guess.:)

[Ckrdpast]

This board is starting to look like a pac-man game. I'm outta here.

Good night to my favorite people. You know who you are. :seeya:

nite joanie:seeya:

[Rebel Rouzer]

I didn't say if I liked it or not. I know plenty about the "law."

I said don't blame the protesters for a COV. WTH is your problem? A bit aggressive for a simple comment, imo.

:punch:

JW I didn't think it was just me and you just proved it. They can have at it. I'm not replying to their posts or anyone who quotes them. I don't need the well you know.

[summer4meplz]

Doesn't it resemble a Jerry Springer audience?:chicken:


it so totally does, and it is so disrespectful to the memory of Caylee, to say nothing of the neighbors....

i would love to see, as someone posted earlier, a quiet gathering, maybe make that little island a place to leave flowers, candles, teddy bears.....but the yelling hateful hateful disgusting words, and putting horrible signs in little children's hands ...that has got to stop!! imo
:rose:for Caylee

[Marianne]

good try but I dont buy.

[zippy]

Almost forgot the short term dating of men friends and men friends of girlfriends. One cannot talk ever and the other is unwilling to talk.:shrug:

[jammies]

I do not know. He may have spoke of that case to the others but not me. I was actually the shy one there among the 5 of us. I'm not even lying. lol


You? Shy? lol! ------> :read:

[AlohaRainbow]

:eek: OMG!!
talk about possible/alleged parallells!
Police: Montana Mother Kept Dead Son, 2, in Car Trunk
the mother's car was towed...
the mother lied to authorities about her son's whereabouts...
a long time was involved (6 weeks) ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,419122,00.html

and i thought trenton duckett was the only other "similar" case to caylee's :(

:rose: for the children

[Rebel Rouzer]

You? Shy? lol! ------> :read:


Wierd huh? True though . I think it was the lack of sleep lol :lol:

[Peach]

get the tartar sauce ready

Can I gt some lemon too? Sometimes the fish is too "fishy" for me ;)

Hey Ckrd!! :rose:

[AlohaRainbow]

bogus emails = both melinda and casey

[Joan Weiss]

nite joanie:seeya:

JW I didn't think it was just me and you just proved it. They can have at it. I'm not replying to their posts or anyone who quotes them. I don't need the well you know.Smooch...:seeya:

[Oregongal]

There was some talk laast night about posters on IS displacing their anger at casey onto the grandparents...I'm sure most of us may be a bit guilty of that, though surely there is plenty of liability to go around...I actually have been feeling that displacement is exactly why George and Cindy go out into their front lawn themselves to ham mer. I think that frustration has to go somewhere, and they are absolutley refusing to give Casey one iota of grief or hold her in any way responsible as they feel so bad the "Big bad LE" is out to get her.:rolleyes:
Instead, they seek out confrontation with people who might well be on their side if they acted like they gave a rip for their sweet little grandbaby. I do think they loved Caylee...but I think they have decided that she is now post tense in their lives.
I know many here disagree with me, but denial just does not make sense to describe the allegiance with Casey by all three close family memebers...there is usually at least one person who has it together enough to wake up and smell the coffee. it's not as if she hasn't engaged in plenty of awful behaviors before...they know she is no saint. I could see believeing it was an accident...but I don't see all three actually believeing the ridiculous claims of a "script".
JMO.

Catching up with your post OneUp.
And before I go further, I want to add my :rose: to you OneUp. I'm so sorry for your loss and what you had to go thru and I very much appreciate your insight and experience in regard to this case.
Since this post is longer than the accepted characters, I'm going to try and do it in 2 parts.....we'll see if I can use my minimal puter knowledge to do it. :) Will try and put it into a continuous way.
Part 1-
I do think you are right in your statement of the grandparents displacement of their feelings. I don't agree with how they are going about it, but, with the new revealations of what went on before Casey left, the fight, Cindy's fear of her taking Caylee if she kicked her out and then on to the result of that.
When I heard how Cindy had consulted someone about the situation and was advised to try and get custody of Caylee, I thought, OMG, this could be the prime reason for her denial that Caylee is dead. I really think she and George know deep down Caylee is dead, but with this latest info I can also see where the denial they are both exhibiting may be coming from. I've been thinking of this all evening and even talked to my DD to try and put it into words. I am beginning to feel that if Cindy was to the point she was with Casey to go talk to a counselor, she was afraid for/of her daughter and afraid for her grandaughter and didn't know what to do. She was given very good advice. Get custody of her grandaughter then throw Casey out. I don't know why she didn't take the steps she was advised to take. But, it looks that maybe the confrontation came first before she even considered the legal step. Who knows why, none of us were there. Maybe Cindy seeing her parents and maybe hearing them talk of the money theft and betrayal they may have felt brought her into anger and confrontation before she could take that legal step. That huge fight happened, threats by Cindy to get custody of Caylee drove Casey to the point of, no way. I'll show you and she fled with Caylee. After that Cindy realized she should have held her feelings and tongue and gone with getting legal help before confrontation. While Casey was gone, no contact...I tend to believe she wasn't in contact with Casey during that month... I go back to the 911 call where she said she had just found her daughter after a month...she knew then something bad had happened with Caylee. In those 911 calls she is the one who said about smelling a dead body.
From those calls, on top of Casey being arrested, she went into denial because of a tremendous guilt she may have felt. She wasn't and isn't able to handle that guilt. That guilt in her mind being, if only....if only she hadn't confronted/fought with Casey, if only I had done as the counselor had advised me, if only I had done something to keep Caylee here with me. That guilt alone, with the deep down knowledge that the dead body smell in the car was Caylee's death smell could have driven her into total shutdown and into denial that Caylee was gone. Hence, she continues to believe that Caylee is alive. In her mind, Caylee is alive...because she can't face the fact that Caylee is not alive. In her mind if she accepted that fact, she would think she was at fault. She didn't do what was advised, she didn't prevent Casey from leaving with Caylee. She may have even thought, if I had done better with Casey, Caylee may still be alive.
She has now worked herself into a guilt that cannot be handled in any way for her emotionally, hence the denial. As far as she shows the public anyway.
She's emotionally protecting her motherhood. She's doing everything she can to deflect the guilt she has weighing on her heart, and cannot in her emotional state accept anything. She cannot accept that she may have done the wrong thing with her daughter, she cannot accept that she may have done the wrong thing with her grandaughter.
I am in no way defending her or condoning anything she has said and done. But, there is this little piece of my heart that is crying for Cindy.
And I'm sorry this is so long. I'm not one of those who can try to explain my thoughts in a short, little post way.
After today's news of her reaching out with a counselor, I feel like I would very much like to meet Cindy face to face, hug her and tell her it's not her fault. Let it go and tell me how you really feel. Drop the anger and reach out again. Show everyone how you really feel instead of striking out. And if at all possible do whatever you can as Casey's mother to stand up to her and demand that she tell you where Caylee is. Let your anger out with Casey and do the stand up mother thing. Find something within yourself to finally do whatever it takes, call her on her lies, play the Alpha female with her. And do it until she breaks.
I know she and George are behaving in all the wrong ways, they are trying to protect a daughter they love, but are not seeing that daughter as she really is. It takes a special parent to see their child, adult or not, as they really are reality wise. I think this family has been in such dysfuntion and have danced around and catered to Casey for so long, they don't even know how to do that.
Will try to send Part 2....

[OneUp]

No I didn't but if you want George charged with assault I hope you also want the protestors who were trying to beat down their front door arrested for trespassing and attempted breaking and entering and the ones who were physically fighting arrested for assault and CPS investigations opened on all off the families who had their minor children around that violence. Or do they get free passes on breaking the law?In my view, no one should be getting a pass when they break a law, but it's not my judgement call to make.
If I were a cop, I guess we would need bigger jails, cause I'm a Hard A......Case. Rules are in place for a reason. I don't generally agree with all of the rules in any situation, but they are what they are.
I'm ALWAYS up in arms when I see people doing what I consider to be a carppy job of parenting...for example plunking their kids down on a street so they can yell and take pictures of the Notorious Casey, or when they constantly lie and cover for their Girls Gone Wild. I HAVE been in a position to make judgements about other peoples parenting, and I have never regretted erring on the side of protecting the child.
JMO.

[Rebel Rouzer]

The subject of volunteering wasn't raised by Ckrd or Rebel, but by others who have repeatedly asked why the protesters aren't volunteering...

Guess we shouldn't jump up and ridicule them.

I am totally against the protesting in front of the house. I do not have any idea if any of the protestors were actually on a search. Hope i answered the others questions.

[msjoni]

You are using the punching icon and accuse me of aggression? ROFLMAO.

The protestors are going to be the reason a COV is granted. The blame lies with them.

Don't you think it would be in Casey's best interest for COV? They did it for OJ, Couy, Bundy, peterson and on and on...

[Marianne]

that casey stole from her grandparents assisted living fund is a disgrace. What an in your face lier , betrayer and cheat! And no one knows what casey did with all this money incl the $45,000 from her parents.

Cindy did the right thing by going for help and talking to a counselor who advised on throwing Casey out. She needs to talk to that person again cause tiptoeing around her daughter is not going to cut it.

[Ckrdpast]

I quoted Ckrd because s/he asked for volunteers complete with 2 nics listed then proceeded to ridicule them when they didn't respond. :rolleyes:

just wonder bookie? are you new to this board? i havent seen you posting in the last two or three months?

its a serious question

[jammies]

that casey stole from her grandparents assisted living fund is a disgrace. What an in your face lier , betrayer and cheat! And no one knows what casey did with all this money incl the $45,000 from her parents.

Cindy did the right thing by going for help and talking to a counselor who advised on throwing Casey out. She needs to talk to that person again cause tiptoeing around her daughter is not going to cut it.



ITA!! :beer:

[OneUp]

that is a great expression! MY NEW FAVORITE SOCIOPATH....:D

best regards,
PruWell Pru, it is a bit sick, but dissecting how Casey was cobbled together is quickly becoming a new hobby for me. You probably "get" what I mean.
...think I can trademark the phrase before they start filming her new reality show?:D
"My New Favorite Sociopath"

[msjoni]

that casey stole from her grandparents assisted living fund is a disgrace. What an in your face lier , betrayer and cheat! And no one knows what casey did with all this money incl the $45,000 from her parents.

Cindy did the right thing by going for help and talking to a counselor who advised on throwing Casey out. She needs to talk to that person again cause tiptoeing around her daughter is not going to cut it.

I agree, Cindy needs to talk with a therapist and soon...so does George.imo

[Oregongal]

Let's see if this works....at least now I know how long I can write before I have too many words. :biggrin:

Part 2-
I pray that after Casey is finally charged with murder/manslaughter and is gone, they may come to a point where they can accept and unburden themselves of the guilt that has them stuck in their denial. I pray they will be able to survive this. Avail themselves to some professional help. I pray that Caylee will be found and maybe they can come to an acceptence that she is gone and will be able to release their guilt and denial.
I have said I don't like them, I have to take that back, I don't like their behavior and reactions or non reactions. I have anger toward them. I admit that. But in the last couple of days, with alot of prayer I come to believe they are victims of Casey just as much as Caylee was. Maybe because I was a victim of a sociapath. Maybe because I'm a grandparent who would die inside if something happened to one of my grandchildren, especially if it was the little guy who is living with me.
Forgive me my rant and please those who may not agree...make sure those tomatoes you throw are nice and ripe. I just felt compelled to write this all out.
My first prayers, of course are with Caylee, but I feel she is in a much better place and I feel God may have saved her from a life that he knew wouldn't be for her best. That maybe he knew best and saved her, that she was meant for this world that many would fall in love with her and she is with him seeing and knowing she is loved. Totally and completely loved. Thru her maybe many in this world would see thru her the changes that need to come in our caring and love for all missing little ones. Our children. All children are precious and deserve all the love and caring that we can give them. Maybe Caylee is an example for everyone, not only on this board, it's obvious we all care, but for the world, the U.S., who are not on this board and need to get the message that we need to care for each and every child that is abused/used, missing, murdered. The child who goes to bed each night that knows not what tomorrow will bring. The child who is sexually abused and has no one to go to for help, the child who takes care of an addicted parent and has no childhood. I could go on. But, I think you all know what I mean. Maybe Caylee is the reason for everyone to look at all children and with the love they feel for her to be extended to every child that is lost in some way. To open the eyes of some who may not even be aware of the travesty and tragedy that comes to so many of our children.

For our little angel
:rose:
For all the children in our world
:rose:

[FoxySly]

Lawyers use many issues to argue for change of venue but don't always get a ruling in their favor. In this case those "protests" will assure there is a COV. And it's all caught on video for the lawyers to use.


Yup, darlie routier got a COV ;)

Sly

[Peach]

PEACHY!!!!:rose:


missed you as i havent seen you around,,,,did you see the HIGH 5?

Yeah I saw it!:cuss:

Just like a school girl finding out she made the dance line...Where she is going, she may need those skills in flexibility.

Just wanted to add, I am so proud that you guys went. If you guys search again, I may fly down ;) All the way from MN!!

[msgatorslayer]

The subject of volunteering wasn't raised by Ckrd or Rebel, but by others who have repeatedly asked why the protesters aren't volunteering...

Guess we shouldn't jump up and ridicule them.

IMO, not everyone has a desire to search. For whatever their reason may be.

One thing that I noticed when I helped in a local search was that a good amount of the people who came had been to many other searches in the past.

[OneUp]

And George & Cindy aren't the ones who made Caylee disappear, nor are they responsible for her still being gone.

And before you say, "Well they're housing Casey" - don't bother, because the protesters were being their usual banshee selves at the Anthony home while Casey was in jail.Actually, I was going to say that is just your opinion, and ask if you have any facts to back it up? You certainly don't need facts to have an opinion. I'd like to see them if you have some on hand though...please?

[Marianne]

I agree. All that prison food causes such indigestion everyone has gas and stomach problems which only increases disease.

[Shellberry]

that casey stole from her grandparents assisted living fund is a disgrace. What an in your face lier , betrayer and cheat! And no one knows what casey did with all this money incl the $45,000 from her parents.

Cindy did the right thing by going for help and talking to a counselor who advised on throwing Casey out. She needs to talk to that person again cause tiptoeing around her daughter is not going to cut it.

where is the link/info that says she indeed stole 45,000 from her parents?
missed that one
thanks

imo/jmo

[Oregongal]

Wow, it worked. I'm patting myself on the back.
;)
I'm off the soapbox now. My posts will be my usual now. Maybe a bit long, but not AS long. By now you all know I am not a woman of few words. And when something hits me, well, I just can't help myself.
Thanks for putting up with me.

[Carol25]

Hello Hayes, thank you very much! And welcome; please post anytime! I know that lately, like the past few hours I'm lurking too; just reading everyones views and trying hard to have hope in LE and the wheels of justice. It's really so difficult, to watch and think of this from what would have been Caylee's view. She was a confused child I think; probably scared more often than naught, even in the home. Esp in the home. This so needs to be about Caylee and I know that LE and Tim and everyone who searches or posts here, have Caylees best interest at heart. It's just so sad that no one did sooner. I guess if it had been me; I'd have had to have had some legal say in the matter; esp if I was paying for the childs exisitance. I do know how that feels and I do know how it feels to lose people in your life as well; after giving them everything that you possibly can. Being that I've been there, I could never see myself protecting the one who lied and hated me enough to tell others, that I was signing my house over to them, etc. I couldnt look at her actually.There is a really big part of me that still thinks, that Casey cannot stand her parents and she didnt have Caylee that day. So; if she is not talking and not saying anything further to LE or to the FBI; it could very well be; she is protecting her mother, even though she hates her.Her words ring in my ears. Not My Fault. (to me that still screams, hey I wasnt there) You dont know MY invovlment in this?? Mom;--- heyTo me says, hey you know I wasnt there, when Cindy interupts her and sugary sweet says Honey I dont know your invovlement in this---to me it was shut up Casey dont say another word, you'll incriminate us both.I believe that the 911 call was a fake. Just as the prev two calls were. I dont hear the panic. I hear forced fear, forced demanding as Cindy does, what do I have to tell you sort of thing in order for you to listen to me.....but reality sinks in when even the operator says to both Why did you wait 31 days? Their language is so upsetting to me. It's not at all what someone innocent would be saying, their tapes will hang them. It was surprising to me how long it took them to get the message that they were in deep trouble, and as we've seen they've not said another word, except for Georges outburts. I believe he is violent. I believe that Casey may have really good reason to fear him. I believe that she may have really good reason to fear her own mother as well. If she truly didnt have Caylee that day; and never left with her; as Baez has said there is good reason for why she isnt talking. could it be that she is the one whose been threatened by LE, by her own father; her mother? Tell and we all go down. Say anything and you will send us all to prison. It's very difficult for me to reconcile why Casey will not help or speak to LE or the FBI; and I keep coming back to the same result. That Cindy had Caylee and she drowned, that Casey called and called and they would not could not answer; yet....And I think her body was put in the car after she had been hid in the yard, and then I think George opened the trunk and found her. And then he helped dispose of her body. In doing so; their behavior then makes sense to me. All three have something terrible to hide, all three have jobs and futures and things to lose, they would not be able to pay for their parents rest homes, they would lose everything. Much like another recent missing child case in the news. Too much to lose, everything to hide. And then the story: The child is Missing. She was Kidnapped. She is alive, and, she is out of this country, or in another State. But she is alive. Prove to us she isnt, I think were the words others parents have yelled at the media. There is some sick family dynamic here. And usually these stories are so horrible, that we cant make them up. They write themselves. This one is exceptionally hard to read about. Every single Day. If Casey, really didnt have Caylee that day; and they all sat down and wove this mad tale, now that I can see. It fits for me. They've all let things slip ON TAPE; all except for Casey. And what she did say? Not my Fault.Not My Fault. I'd like to know then who's fault was it? And why did Jesse resign and leave so quickly? What did he suspect? Did he smell something or see something, or find her in the trunk? There is a window of time that is getting pinned down, and that is the day that car was left at Amscott. If they saw it at 7am, yet she was picked up at 2pm; then there is a huge problem with this timeline given and with this story. How Do I Know that George or Cindy didnt drive that car there the night before? Then told Casey we are in big trouble here, go on as if everything is normal. Go out, do as you always have. Maybe Cindy wrote the script for her, but there is no Zanny and I too cringed every time she said her hame under oath because I thnk she was LYING. And, it's on tape. So bring on the Grand Jury I say. I'm sure that all three will be indicted. That's the only way that right now; I can attempt to go upstairs and try to sleep. These children die and no one is the wiser. She was gone for 31 days. If they come clean now maybe they can save themselves, and walk away with Immunity and probation or a small time in jail, 5 yrs. But from what We've seen these people are not like you or I. They will never give up their "things" for little Caylee. They will never bury her in a decent manner. But they will take all the facetime they can get on film; book deals, movie deals, limos, tv interviews, new hairstyles, clothing, millions. They will take that. If this proves true, then Caylee is better off dead then being with them. And I'll cry too next time I look at Mars or Venus and know that Caylee will never get to do that. She'll never swim in the ocean or snorkel or fly on a plane. She will never marry, go to school, have a carreer. Shame on this family, for throwing her memory away so quickly and so easily. Shame Shame on them.:rose:
Nicely put, Jenny! :rose:

[Rebel Rouzer]

Wow, it worked. I'm patting myself on the back.
;)
I'm off the soapbox now. My posts will be my usual now. Maybe a bit long, but not AS long. By now you all know I am not a woman of few words. And when something hits me, well, I just can't help myself.
Thanks for putting up with me.

Don't sweat it :seeya:

[Peach]

i gotta room with your name on it!!

I bring treats too!! (I love to bake)

Seriously, I so admire what you all did. You guys are my heros.

I hope she is charged soon. I crank the news on, but nothing. Like chloroform doesn't speak for itself ;)

[msgatorslayer]

COV isn't always needed. Despite claims on the boards most people don't know the specifics of these cases. Even with national coverage alot of people don't follow them as closely as people posting on these boards do.

ITA - Even when the Couey trial was originally moved to Leesburg, there were potential jurors who got Jessie Lunsford confused with Carlie Brucia.

Most people don't follow crime and trials. They just hear things on the news. A name of a victim or defendant may stick in their head. But not every detail.

[Shellberry]

I don't think he is telling herto wear short shorts , ponytail and baseball cap. I think Casey ia seductive and knows how to work men. She can't come across as the femme fatale but she has won her game as Baez now calls her "my (little) girl". You have no idea how many men like ponytail outfit demise.

Yet I am sure Baez will use her 'innocense' , her 'inexperience' hern youth as an excuse for her neglect....and 'trusting' of the kidnappers. How could you blame her sort of thing.
that is a crock- how would he then go on to explain her ability to pretend to have a job, lie to her family and friends & steal money?
not to mention the fact she hid her pregnancy for 8 months & wanted to put caylee up for adoption.

'using her innocence' my duppa ...
imo/jmo/etc

[evalles]

I think everyone is just so flippin' frustrated by the stonewalling that goes on in that house and everyone just wants to break through to them and get them to see what we all want them to see. But, I think the way the protesters are protesting now just adds to their apparent belief that Casey's is being unfairly persecuted and it just causes them to dig in that much harder. I think your idea of a beautiful, dignified, peaceful show of the public's sorrow would be more effective in getting this point across to them. Mind you, I don't think anything will make her admit what she's done, but it may give the GP's something to soften their hearts and allow them to think about the possibilities to peek through. I think they've gotten in to so much of a defensive posture, they can ignore the truths while their anger at US festers.

And if it does nothing at all to get to the truth, at least it would not be a further indignity to Caylee's memory.


Perfect !! I've thought for awhile now that if the Anthony's feel they're being unfairly persecuted that they're more apt to believe Casey is too.
They're in a situation they can't find their way out of.

[msgatorslayer]

that is a crock- how would he then go on to explain her ability to pretend to have a job, lie to her family and friends & steal money?
not to mention the fact she hid her pregnancy for 8 months & wanted to put caylee up for adoption.

'using her innocence' my duppa ...
imo/jmo/etc

I'm waiting for the multi personality defense.:biggrin:

[Rebel Rouzer]

Well Reb, personally I can't say I'm for it either - if for no other reason than it gives some around here another reason to :no:.

I don't believe it's helping, but unless those folks are actively breaking laws, I support their right to speak, just like I have to (albeit grudgingly) support Casey's right to bond out of jail.


I know what you mean

[Rebel Rouzer]

soon baby soon

shes going down and i will attend the trial!!


Looks like i will have to be sleeping with the cacti. :biggrin:

[msgatorslayer]

We had 2 semi local cases (within 30 miles) and no one that I know knew more than the names and that the person was dead. That was it.

I know a couple people who don't even watch the news. These are the type of people who are good for high profile trials. As they literally don't know anything, lol.

[Velouria]

Some of the protestors did actively break the law. The ones who were beating on the door were breaking the law (the no trespassing signs were posted prior) and the ones who were fighting also broke the law (assault).


and some of those No Trespassing signs were posted on the strip between the curb and the sidewalk, which is not technically the Anthonys' property.

I believe there have been several citations written since the protests began. Those folks do indeed need to follow the rules, just as George needs to refrain from physical contact with them.

[purplepoints]

that is a crock- how would he then go on to explain her ability to pretend to have a job, lie to her family and friends & steal money?
not to mention the fact she hid her pregnancy for 8 months & wanted to put caylee up for adoption.

'using her innocence' my duppa ...
imo/jmo/etc

good evening everyone!

I have kept up with most statements, evidence, what have you in this case, but could someone please be indulgent and fill me in on where the info that Casey hid (lied) about her pregnancy has came from. I have heard it stated several times but have completely missed where that info came from somehow.:confused:

[msgatorslayer]

msgator did you see the report about sabrina and willie tonite?

NO!!!! {going to check local links} Never watched the local news this evening. Thanks.

ETA - Oh, thats rich. Asking a convicted baby rapist about his involvement with another low life who may have had something to do with disposing of Sabrina's body. Like they'd get an honest answer from him. He's innocent, ya know!!!!

[summer4meplz]

good evening everyone!

I have kept up with most statements, evidence, what have you in this case, but could someone please be indulgent and fill me in on where the info that Casey hid (lied) about her pregnancy has came from. I have heard it stated several times but have completely missed where that info came from somehow.:confused:


it was reported by cindy's brother, rick....if you think rick is cindy's brother...iirc

[tiny paw-prints]

Thanks, crystal. :seeya: I got the impression he was telling it for the sole purpose of saying he had looked in the trunk of Casey's car on the 24th and that there was no stench at the time. I felt he was setting up the allegation that a body had somehow found its way in and out of the trunk while it was in the tow yard.


I'd like to know what George's real motivation or obsession was for lurking inside the Pontiac's trunk; little metal wedgie things, gas cans, pizza box.

[evalles]

soon baby soon

shes going down and i will attend the trial!!

I respect that you were moved to do something to find Caylee.
I've gone back and forth on this. I read your posts from the search and lost almost all hope, tomorrow I might learn something that will shift my hopes again. I want so badly for Caylee to be alive. I wish there was something definitive one way or the other. I was telling a coworker that there were many that were more obsessed with this case than I and when she didn't believe me, I told her about the posters here that had traveled far from home to search for her. She correctly replied that if I lived closer and wouldn't get fired for taking the time off, I'd be there in a heartbeat.
I don't know what you or others know, so it's hard for me to give up on Caylee being alive.

[Peach]

Looks like i will have to be sleeping with the cacti. :biggrin:


I'll take the floor. And a bottle of wine ;)